Town Council - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, August 4, 2026

The Town Council approved supplemental funding for several community organizations and addressed an internal inconsistency in the town code regarding electronic pet containment systems in hillside areas. The council also discussed an ordinance update for Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs) and decided to continue the item for further review.

About this meeting

Government Body
Town Council
Meeting Type
Town Council
Location
Los Gatos, CA
Meeting Date
August 4, 2026

Transcript

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5:31Speaker 23

Skip the second one.

5:33 – 7:53Speaker 24

Unfortunately, Elaine, who is going to be recognized by Silicon Valley Clean Energy, is sick today. And so hopefully she'll come back. But we do have a very, very exciting presentation from the Friends of the Los Gatos Library. So please come on up, Friends of the Los Gatos Library. As you can see, the Los Gatos Library has many friends. So before the big reveal, or during the big reveal, I'll just say a little bit about the friends of the Los Gatos Library. So for those that don't know, Los Gatos is very, very fortunate and a little bit unique in that we have a foundation that supports our library. They create and fund many of the programs that you all know and love from our library. We're very, very fortunate for that. And each year, they donate tens of thousands of dollars to the library, which we are so incredibly grateful for. They run one of Los Gatos' three bookstores. They have a used bookstore just above us or just adjacent to above us. And I'll just tell you a little bit about the friends. So they put in over 5,000 hours of volunteering between all of them, which I think is incredible. Yes, that deserves a round of applause, absolutely. Thank you. They have 96 volunteers and are always welcoming more volunteers. I highly recommend the Friends of the Los Gatos Library as a way to get involved in the community and give back. They, from my understanding, are relatively flexible and you can come in at your pace and you can staff the bookstore and do other things. They fund over... They fund exactly 764 programs at the library in just this last year. If you divide that by 365, that's about two programs a day. So thank you very much for that. And they raise money through sales of their secondhand bookstore, used book sales through Amazon. They receive direct donations and produce fundraising events in cooperation with town of Los Gatos businesses. And I will not steal their thunder, so would you like to announce how much money you'll be donating to the Los Gatos Library this year? Yes.

7:53 – 8:33Speaker 26

This year, it's my pleasure, as current president of the Friends of the Los Gatos Library, to give this check for $75,000 to Ryan Baker. It's $5,000 more than last year, and we hope it'll be $5,000 more next year. Anyway, thank you for donating those used books. We really appreciate it, and thanks for buying used books and attending our fundraisers. I know a lot of you do attend, and we really appreciate it. Also, become a member. Go to our website. We have a new website as of January, Friends of Los Gatos Library. You can just Google it.

8:35Speaker 19

Thank you very much. Here.

8:36 – 10:07Speaker 24

Do we want to all get in the picture? Yes, everybody. We might need a few folks on that side. Thank you. And truly, all of this could not be possible without the Friends of the Los Gatos Library. So if you participate in our library, if you go to any of your programs or any of your kids did, please consider supporting the Friends. Thank you all very much for being here this evening. Thank you. Okay, so as I shared, we'll be skipping our second presentation this evening and hopefully Elaine will be able to join us at another meeting. Which brings us to the consent items. Consent items are genuinely considered routine and non-controversial and may be approved in one motion. And so before I move to public comments on consent, does any member of the council wish to pull an item from the consent calendar? Okay, seeing none, I will move to Gus Hu, who has a comment. You will have three minutes.

10:15 – 12:33Speaker 19

Gus Hu. Okay, I sent in a couple emails, I'm not a public speaker, but you know, they're in the supplemental, two of them, but for the record, one doesn't even have video or audio, and it says member of the public, and it says, you can't even, I don't know what was said. Nobody knows what was said, because there's no record of it. And then one, let's see, I'm doing three, four, five, seven. Let's see. Amendment to services, there's transparency needed. There's a... You're contracting out these things. Nobody's really, the public's not looking at it. Staff is the only one looking. I don't think you guys look at it in detail. The number three, like holiday traffic. I'm pretty sure, is that cops? There's a lot of money, and we were paying a lot of overtime in cops. It was 100%. And so is that part of the, you know, the public should know, is that part of the police force, you know, that money, or is that a separate, um, number seven, you know, I, I, um, I tried to appeal the, the WVMA, um, stuff. And this is a part of that. That's cup. Um, I, I'm, in the process of submitting forms to San Francisco, and it's not for money, but it's the right to appeal, and I had to include the San Jose U.S. D.C. court because I was just getting the run around. And that's, you know, because, you know, they just, we're little peons here. And I think we have a right to appeal or express our grievances. So that's $10,000 on this cut thing. And that's to blow up. You know, it's, you know, that's something that's to have to be discussed in federal court. Thank you. That's my, those are my comments.

12:34 – 12:52Speaker 24

Thank you very much. It looks like we have two hands raised for consent. So just to clarify, this is for items that are on the consent calendar, not for verbal communications. If you would still. OK, so we have what looks like one speaker, which is Yamamoto.

12:57Speaker 3

Hi, good evening. Can you all hear me OK?

12:59Speaker 24

We can. Thank you.

13:01 – 14:04Speaker 3

All right. Hi, everybody. I believe this is going to be item number 13 on the VTA. I'm not quite sure what all you're agreeing to when I was reading through it, but I know we do have a problem with the VTA and trying to get our kids youth Clipper cards. And I just want to say, We need somebody in Los Gatos that can help our kids actually get their cards in order for them to ride the bus in town, especially since school is happening next week. And I still, I have tried about four hours on the website, thought I did it right, and I still haven't received the card. I've tried calling I've tried everything so having somebody in Los Gatos that I can communicate with to trade to help. Our kids get a bus pass. Would be actually beneficial. Thank you.

14:05Speaker 24

Thank you. Yes, thank you.

14:10Speaker 11

I have a question for Miss Yamamoto if she's still on. And I could be wrong, but my impression is to 1st, get a. Are you on Karen?

14:20Speaker 3

Yeah, I'm on.

14:21 – 14:34Speaker 11

Okay. So when I've gotten clipper cards in the past, and my impression is, especially if you're a senior or a student for a discounted rate, you have to go in person. And I thought they were available at Walgreens. Have you looked into?

14:34Speaker 3

I didn't find them.

14:36Speaker 11

Okay. All right. Well, we'll see what we can find out. Thank you.

14:40Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

14:42Speaker 24

Thank you. Okay. It looks like we have one other hand raised for consent, which is Nima Ruhi.

14:54 – 15:07Speaker 7

Yes. Hi, everyone. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. All right. This is a personal matter that I'm in discussion with Parks and Public Department. I don't know if it's related to this session or I have to wait.

15:08Speaker 24

Yeah, so if it's not on one of these items that's on the agenda, you can speak in just a few moments when we go to verbal communications on non-agendized items.

15:19Speaker 24

So if that's what you'd like to do, you can just put your hand down and I'll call on you in a few minutes.

15:27 – 15:40Speaker 24

Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Moving on, I will entertain a motion on the consent calendar. Yes, Council Member Badami.

15:41Speaker 4

I move to approve consent items one through 13.

15:44Speaker 24

Vice Mayor Risto.

15:47 – 16:09Speaker 11

Second. Can I ask a question? Please. I just wanted to ask the town manager to clarify because I think a member of the public brought something up that clearly didn't read the report, but I just want to make sure members of the public understand item three, which is the Halloween and Christmas rental that we do for roadblocks. Do you have any clarification on that?

16:10Speaker 25

This is, I can turn it over to Nicole, but this is traffic control for the holiday parade and for the Halloween events that occur on Tate and Johnson Avenue.

16:20 – 16:32Speaker 11

Okay, thank you. And my impression having read the report is that these are for rental and some personnel that are outside of our police department that support these special one-off events.

16:33Speaker 25

I'll ask Nicole to talk about the vendor that provides that service.

16:36 – 17:23Speaker 9

Thank you. Hey, good evening. Nicole Burnham, director of parks and public works. Yes. The town manager is correct. This is a contractor and a vendor that provides both the signage as well as staffing to support, um, the closures on Johnson, Tate, and also all up in, um, I'm sorry, Loma Alta and Tate. And then at the holiday parade, the entire route, and it's extensive and requires an extensive amount of staff to support that. and pbw doesn't have that staff we support the contractor in that effort and then pd supports all the public safety related to the event great thank you i appreciate the clarification for the public thank you um so we'll be taking roll call votes this evening because we have a member of the council participating remotely so i'll turn to the town clerk council member any

17:25Speaker 14

Council Member Houdis.

17:27Speaker 14

Council Member Badami. Aye. Vice Mayor Risto. Aye. Mayor Moore.

17:31 – 17:53Speaker 24

Aye. That passes unanimously. Thank you. So we will now move to verbal communications, which is the time for members of the public to address the council on items that are not on tonight's agenda. And you'll have three minutes to address the council. We will start with the speaker cards in the room and then move to Zoom. We will start with James Wetra.

18:04 – 21:05Speaker 21

Hi, I'm James Wetra. I've lived in Los Gatos for over 20 years. I manage a gift store at the Los Gatos Shopping Center here in Los Gatos. This business has served Los Gatos for over 18 years. The beach traffic issue has been a problem as far back as I can remember. Years ago, the town actually put some time and some effort and financially invested in providing some relief to this issue. But now, you, Mr. Moore, You, Ms. Risto, you, Mr. Rennie, are all so entitled with yourselves, so far removed from any business-related issues, it's appalling. You should all be fired for your lack of action. You were all too busy and on vacation while every Saturday for the month of July, we at the Los Gatos Shopping Center had business-crippling gridlocks surround every corner of the largest shopping center in Los Gatos. completely boxing the shopping center in. The few that did make it to our store that gave feedback, the first thing they said was, what is with all this traffic? Residents in Los Gatos stuck for 45 minutes just to go a quarter of a mile. God forbid there had been an emergency at the shopping center. You all have done nothing. Mr. Mayor, you say communication is one of your most important roles as mayor. Instead of focusing on your youth programs, which by the way, why is this such a passion for you? There are no records of you having any prior mentoring or teaching credentials, let alone even a background check. Your newsletter, your Instagram page, your Facebook page, your LinkedIn page, your campaigning against fracking, nobody cares. You say you managed an 80 resident homeless shelter in Santa Clara. Well, you may have to make some more room for all the people who have had to go home because they couldn't work, because they couldn't even get to Los Gatos. Maria Risto, you have chaired the Transportation and Parking Commission in the past. What have you done since 2019 to help mitigate the beach traffic? You were busy enlarging bike lanes, taking away city streets, making gridlock even worse with big, ugly green cones all the way up and down Winchester Boulevard. You say you're an advocate for inclusion. Well, certainly not for the Mexican-American Marcelina who couldn't work the last three weeks because she couldn't even get to the store. or our African American worker, Katrina, who couldn't even work due to the traffic conditions with a zero traffic mitigation. And you, Mr. Rob Rennie, you're too busy giving up our public land to private special interest groups like Tesla, charging stations. If you don't think the entire town doesn't know the hidden deals you have with these groups, you're sorely mistaken. Don't look at me. You did this yourselves. You think you're immune? Accountability matters. Voters matter. That's why you have these jobs. Now do your job.

21:06Speaker 24

Thank you. Thank you. We will move to Bob Catt, who will be followed by Joe Enns.

21:21 – 24:27Speaker 19

Okay, Bobcat. That's a little intense right there. I think the public has to know you guys are not getting paid that much, but it's like a thing. But that's not what I'm here. I just gave you two. I don't know if you guys got these, but you're supposed to pass them out. I attended a meeting last night. Concerning the Creekside Park soccer and lacrosse field, I believe anyone who spoke up was upset with the one minute allotted time to speak, including, I mean, let's see, for the record, I counted 12 people at the start, which grew to about 20 altogether, including Vice Mayor Risto. I asked if they received my email, and that's this one that's in the picture, and I sent you that. I don't know if you got the email with this. I don't think you guys did it. But I think anybody that saw that would see, you know, I've been... talking about this problem for a while. And I don't think people know that the soccer field's closed. And when it gets out, it's to get out. Like I said, there were 20 people there and they were, you know, you have to listen to the tape. And if they would have known that the supplemental material that I've tried to put in a couple hours before, 195 page popped in, an hour before starting, that was about, let's see, one of it says $37,000 for a 9-17-24 report, and I hadn't seen this report, and I guess it came out in June 1st of 26, so two years later, I'm still trying to gather facts on all this stuff, because this is more down my aisle. I have major concerns that require some, you know, some kind of legal stuff that, you know, they fenced off their picture. I was out there today. I walked an entire perimeter. In mid-June, I also walked out there and looked around and see how things, and people are mad because, all the kids are mad, and the coaches and stuff like that, because they're all looking for places to go. Let's see. I don't know what's doing, there has to be some transparency there. On 5-26 we hired a contractor to put the stuff in there for $27,000 and now it's not usable. What happened? That was supposed to be fixed. That was supposed to continue the life of it. There's a time factor thing. I don't have that much time to talk about it, but my sister works in plastics, and we talked about 45 minutes, and she says that now it's double or triple the cost of the $1 million that I was saying that it would cost. Thank you. Now it's like four.

24:29Speaker 24

Move to Joe Enns.

24:35 – 27:35Speaker 1

Thank you very much, Joe and friends of Los Gatos Creek. Kind of a liaison for the homeless, but not so much anymore, because they're too fragmented, and the ones that are two main groups of them are down at Miles Avenue. We all know who they are, and they're all on that drug that's a scourge with fentanyl and whatever, methamphetamine. The other group, all four of the people that live down there You know, and the police were just there, and there's arguments and fighting and the usual things that go along with that kind of abuse. You know, I would just suggest that the police take more action, and then maybe, you know, people that are living down there, there's nothing you can do about it, really, and I'm just, whatever. And the other group over there, find the high school next to the high school, we're doing much better as far as that goes. That's not my concern for you either, just... don't throw your garbage in las casas creek this is where this all started um oh and i we took a month off and i was working with the town manager concerning uh getting the tunnel i'm not sure if it's our jurisdiction or whose it is but it's who and we i was working with property manager or if you can get somebody to call you back, whatever the property manager is right behind St. Luke's, somebody's responsible for the fence that's hanging on the hinges, and the homeless are gonna start going down into the tunnel again, which they do, and then you got a problem down there of the police don't even wanna go down there, it's too scary for them, and there's people down there doing things they shouldn't be doing, and... I guess I'm just concerned about the liability of that for the town and what it represents for liability for the town. Once again, you can't really control these people's behavior. I'm not all like beyond that in the old days or whatever. I'm just older and just... putting it out there that I can't be like that. I worked for the city of Santa Cruz, that's who I retired for. I realize I'm not happy unless I'm working for a municipality, which is this one. And I was the SEIU union president for 600, whatever it was, 383 workers. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. just to be helping in my old age and feeling like I'm making things better. I would hope that some of my friends and cohorts do the same thing as they get older instead of sitting around doing nothing and drinking and doing drugs all day and just not contributing at all. So I'll be talking to you, sound manager personally, I guess we'll try to get August together with you on it through emails and whatnot. We'll make this thing work with closing that tunnel down. So thank you very much. Thank you.

27:36Speaker 24

All right. We will now move to our zoom speakers and we'll start with Nima Ruhi.

27:46 – 29:18Speaker 7

Good afternoon and thanks for your time. Uh, so the matter that I'm bringing today to them, um, in front of the council is regarding. My interaction with parks and public's department. So, uh. To give you a brief context, back in June 2024, I sent out a request for some curb issues that I had around like in front of my house. And then after a few follow-ups on April 2027, they sent some crew to fix that, but The problem is that there is a huge town tree right next to my driveway that damaged the curb, but more importantly, damaged the driveway. And the crew that came in saw that, tried to fix and patch it, but Looks like because of that tree growth and stuff, it doesn't go away. So it's in a way that my driveway is now, whenever it rains, it creates a huge puddle and I'm having trouble getting in and out of the house with one of my cars that has like a low clearance. So it scratches every time I get in and out. So, I mean, having that tree sort of tilted, I don't know if I can show images here. I already sent out an email to the mayor and the whole council members four weeks ago. So you guys should have the images. But if I can share, that would be great.

29:19Speaker 24

You are not able to share during public comments.

29:23 – 30:52Speaker 7

All right. I mean, again, I refer you guys to an email I sent on July 13th, 2026. And again, when it rains, there's a huge puddle. Even without raining and getting in and out of the driveway is not easy for me. So after a lot of back and forth with the parking publics, They agreed that the tree needs to be removed before any curb or driveway work is being done. And that's after two years of discussions and back and forth. Now, they were supposed to fix it this July, but then they postponed it to next spring. So that brings me to three years of waiting for this project. And again, it's hazardous. The tree is tilted and it damaged the curb sidewalk. driveway and uh it's on los calos boulevard i keep hearing from hpc and other town members that this is our gateway to the town we have to keep it like cool and cute but when it comes to these projects i don't see the same um treatment for residents so yeah that's thank you So I would like you guys to just look into that, the images that I emailed you, and bring it with the Parks and Public Department and have the project done as soon as possible.

30:54Speaker 24

Thank you very much for your comment. And we did receive your email. Looks like Councilmember Hudas has a question for you.

31:00 – 31:14Speaker 5

Yeah, thank you. And I did receive the photographs. I don't know if you're comfortable, but are you willing to say what the location is? I don't think you said that at the beginning of your talk.

31:14 – 31:26Speaker 7

Oh, sure. Yeah. And Council Member Hutz, thank you very much for following up on a phone call, actually, after my email. The location is 241 Los Gatos Boulevard.

31:28Speaker 24

Thank you. Thank you. And we have another speaker for public comment, which is Yamamoto.

31:42 – 33:09Speaker 3

Hi, yeah. I had an issue getting downtown in Los Gatos. Traffic was really backed up on Saturday. It seems that even though you hired somebody to mitigate the whole traffic issue, it just it's not working. Maybe a suggestion of getting a group of public citizens together to come up with a better solution rather than hiring and spending a fortune on people that just don't understand Los Gatos. It was really ridiculous from my house to just the downtown to just go to the Apple store took me 45 minutes and it normally only takes 10. So that's a major issue. And like the other speaker said, it needs to be better addressed. So my suggestion is to get a group of citizens to maybe troubleshoot to come up with a way of dealing with our issues. Thank you.

33:11 – 33:29Speaker 24

Thank you. All right, that concludes verbal communications. And I'll just look briefly to the Parks and Public Works Department to see if they can provide any background on the issue that Nima brought up. If there's anything that we need to, yeah.

33:30 – 34:22Speaker 9

i mean i think it was accurately described by the resident um we have evaluated it looked at it we work does need to be done there the work is at the driveway apron not the driveway so it's right where the um the driveway intersects with los gatos boulevard the tree is living and healthy um AND WE DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE RECEIVED INFORMATION IN MAY, JUNE OF THIS YEAR AND THE PAVING AND CONCRETE PROJECTS WERE ALREADY SET FOR THE YEAR AND WE COULDN'T FIT IT INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS YEAR SO WE WOULD ROLL IT INTO NEXT YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF IT'S THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE REALLY CAN'T DO WITH OUR IN-HOUSE STAFF. SOME CONCRETE WORK WE CAN BUT NOT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. So that's the response we've been giving to the resident that they're, yeah.

34:22Speaker 24

Okay. Council Member Hudeaus.

34:24 – 34:40Speaker 5

Thank you. Just a brief follow-up. The tree work, is that something that would come before the repair of the apron? And is that something that maybe could be accomplished sooner?

34:42 – 35:02Speaker 9

It can come before the apron, and it will. We can look into that. Right now, we are only responding to emergency repair work, emergency tree work. We really don't have the funding and contractor capacity to be doing work that isn't vital for safety and security.

35:04Speaker 24

Thank you. Thank you. Yes, Vice Mayor Stowe.

35:08 – 36:08Speaker 11

Thank you. I think there's nobody in this room that doesn't know about the beach traffic issue, the cut through. And it is interesting to me that sometimes when people talk about it, they do not really understand that everybody up at this dais actually lives in Los Gatos and we live that traffic. So yes, I was caught in it as well. I am fortunate that I had an option not to use a car. On Saturday, but I think sometimes there's a thought that nothing's been done and our website hasn't been updated since 2023 on the cut through traffic. But I know that we have traffic counts. I know that we're doing modeling. I know that the town is working really hard to look at what our mitigation measures that will not create unintended consequences, such as we've done in the past where we do one thing and it actually makes things worse somewhere else. So I don't know if our town manager wants to. address or parks and public works where we are in the middle of and what we there is work ongoing by experts

36:09 – 37:19Speaker 25

There has been work going on for a number of years. The most recent one is we brought on board DUDIC that's doing our town-wide, including Monte Sereno, traffic counts. They conducted some of their traffic study that included weekend summer beach traffic days, and that work is ongoing. So we will be looking forward to the report they'll be issuing. We've also had conversations on a longer term solution. I mean, we have to recognize that this issue isn't an issue that's happened this year, last year, the year before. This is multi-decade issues. This is an issue that has come up in our community survey as a very high priority of something we need to grapple with. And having worked now for 30 years for six, seven different organizations, I can tell you this is one of those extremely difficult problems that makes a nice challenge for us to solve. That longer term solution that's innovative is something we need to consider. We're currently in conversations. I'm not ready to talk about in more details about something that has a lot of moving parts that potentially could help. But you're right, we have not just been starting work. This has been ongoing for a number of years.

37:20Speaker 11

Thank you. Because we're all living the pain, trust me.

37:26 – 37:44Speaker 24

Thank you. So that concludes verbal communications. And we will now move to our public hearings. Our first public hearing this evening is to conduct a public hearing to consider objections to the 2026 weed abatement program. And I will turn it over to staff to present the report.

37:52 – 39:59Speaker 18

Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council Members. My name is Paul Gognon. I'm a project analyst with the Parks and Public Works Department. Article 2 of the Town Municipal Code requires that property owners remove hazardous growth such as weeds and other combustible debris from the property in order to help protect the town from fire hazards. This code section is implemented through the Weed Abatement Program, which is administered by the County of Santa Clara and funded through assessments on properties placed in the program. The town started its 2026 Weed Abatement Program on December 2nd, 2025, with the passing of Resolution 2560, which declared hazardous growth a nuisance and ordered its abatement. On February 3rd, 2026, a public hearing was held to consider objections to the ordered abatement on identified properties. Associated inspections and enforcements were carried out between February and June. The items before you tonight include two recommendations. Conduct a public hearing to consider objections to the proposed assessment report charges and adopt the resolution confirming the report and authorizing collection of assessment charges. A property remains within the weed abatement program until three consecutive compliant years. Each year county staff visits properties and performs an annual inspection. This inspection costs for 2026 is $296. If required, additional fees are assessed for items such as follow-up inspections, administrative costs associated with enforcement, and actual abatement services to remove hazardous growth. An explanation including the breakdown of the 2026 fees was included in the county's January 2026 notice, which was sent to all property owners in anticipation of the February public hearing. In regards to this item, the town clerk has received one written protest, which is included in the staff report as attachment five. The county's response is included as attachment six. Here tonight as a representative on behalf of the county is Garrick, the weed abatement manager. This includes my report, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

40:01Speaker 24

Thank you, I will look to my fellow council members to see if there are any comments or questions. Yes, Vice Mayor Risto.

40:08Speaker 11

Thank you, I did read the report and it looked like we had one objection. Has anything else come in or has anybody changed their mind?

40:20Speaker 18

Nothing has come in to my knowledge in terms of what Parks and Public Works, we haven't received anything additional.

40:25 – 40:37Speaker 11

Okay, and then to clarify, I wanna make sure I understand, the protest isn't for the fee for the inspection, the protest is asking to be removed from the ongoing inspection list?

40:39 – 40:52Speaker 18

I believe they were asking to be removed, yeah, from it. And as the county identified in its response, that hearing actually occurs at a different period in the time here. I believe it's February. So that's when that matter should be brought.

40:53Speaker 11

Okay, so that objection does not apply to tonight's hearing. That is for a future hearing?

40:58Speaker 11

Okay, so are there any objections to what we have to decide on tonight?

41:04Speaker 18

No. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

41:10 – 41:31Speaker 24

Great. Seeing no other questions, I will turn to verbal communications for this item. I have no comment cards and no hands raised on Zoom. So seeing none, I will close comment on that and turn back to the council. Yes, Council Member Badami.

41:33 – 41:57Speaker 4

Thank you. With no objections, I have to emphasize that wildfire risk is a real threat to our town. We take this very seriously and the weed abatement program is integral to mitigating the risk. So with that, I move to adopt a resolution confirming the 2026 weed abatement program assessment report and authorize the collection of assessment charges.

42:00Speaker 24

Thank you. Council Member Hudeis. I'll second. Great. Yes.

42:05Speaker 14

I just want to confirm that motion includes adopting the resolution confirming the report.

42:10Speaker 4

Yes. It includes adopting the resolution to confirm the report.

42:17 – 42:48Speaker 24

Thank you. And I did have one other comment. So I was looking at some of the larger dollar amount costs through the assessments. And it looks like some of them are public property or semi-public property, like the Laura Drive one, which is the largest. Are we abating Southern Pacific Railroad's property? So they just aren't? Can you give a little bit of detail on what's going on there? Because that was a little bit surprising that a railroad wouldn't be taking care of their land.

42:49Speaker 18

I'll defer to the county representative.

42:55 – 43:16Speaker 20

Hi, good evening. Garrick is a left scheme that we debatement program manager for the county. Um, yes, we actually have a large number of railroad properties on our, we debate and program throughout the entire county, not just in Los Gatos. Um, and so we do find, um, annually that they are not taking care of the weeds on their properties. So we do end up doing a lot of the work for them.

43:17 – 43:30Speaker 24

Okay. Thank you. And that's disappointing. And so is the, the, for instance, on this property, the $3,800 that's full cost recovery, right? So that's, that covers everything. But you still have to spend the time having staff go out there and do the work.

43:30Speaker 20

Correct. So that covers the cost of inspections, the cost of the contractor performing the work and also the administrative fees.

43:38Speaker 24

Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay, seeing no other questions, I will turn to the town clerk for a roll call vote.

43:49Speaker 14

Council Member Rennie?

43:52Speaker 14

Council Member Hootis?

43:53Speaker 14

Council Member Badami? Aye. Vice Mayor Risto? Aye. Mayor Moore?

43:58 – 44:15Speaker 24

Aye. passes unanimously. We will now move to item 15, which is to consider a recommendation of approval by the Planning Commission and introduce an ordinance regarding ADUs. And I will turn to Sean Mullen, our planning manager, for the staff report.

44:17 – 45:48Speaker 17

Thank you. I'll give the clerk one moment to pull up the presentation. Thank you and good evening, Mayor. Before you tonight is consideration of a draft ADU ordinance responding to changes to state law. Next slide, please. The town previously updated the zoning code regarding ADUs in 2017, 2020, and 2023. New housing legislation continues to be signed into law impacting ADUs on an almost annual basis. The latest bills impacting ADUs shown on the right-hand side of the slide made additional changes to ADU law necessitating an update to the town's ADU ordinance once again. Next slide, please. The draft ordinance being considered tonight carries forward much from the current ordinance with some revisions and reorganization to align with state laws detailed in your staff report. The most substantive change has to do with the maximum number of ADUs the state requires the town to allow on a residential property and the two development options provided in the draft ordinance, next slide. There are several different types of ADUs as shown here. Detached ADUs are those that are physically separated from the main dwelling. Attached ADUs are those constructed as an addition to an existing residence or as part of a new residence. Conversion ADUs are units created from existing space within a residence or accessory building. And finally, junior ADUs or JADUs are smaller units located within the main residence.

45:48Speaker 18

Next slide, please.

45:51 – 46:22Speaker 17

One of the most significant changes coming from state law is the creation of two categories of ADUs included in the draft ordinance as town standard ADUs and by right ADUs. A town standard ADU is subject to the town's standard ADU development regulations and continues to benefit from a 10% FAR increase approved by the council some years ago. BY RIGHT ADUS WHICH IS SOMETHING NEW TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ARE EXEMPT FROM FAR AND IN SOME CASES DID NOT HAVE MAXIMUM SIZE LIMITATIONS.

46:24 – 47:40Speaker 17

The draft ordinance is consistent with state law in allowing for multiple ADUs on a residential property. Single family properties are now allowed one town standard ADU and three by-right ADUs. Existing multi-family properties are allowed at least one town standard ADU, one conversion ADU, and up to eight detached ADUs. And a new multi-family development would be allowed one town standard ADU and two detached by-right ADUs. Next slide. The Planning Commission considered the draft ordinance on June 10th and forwarded a recommendation of approval to the town council. Today the town did receive a letter from the California Housing Defense Fund included as a desk item asserting that several provisions of the draft ordinance are inconsistent with state law. If the council would like a response from the town attorney addressing each of those issues raised, staff recommends continuing the item to allow sufficient time to prepare that response. Staff also recommends that the council proceed with a full discussion of the draft ordinance this evening. Doing so would allow the council to identify any additional revisions it would like staff to address and incorporate into the ordinance if the matter is continued. This concludes staff's presentation and we are available to answer any questions.

47:41Speaker 24

Thank you very much. Questions? Yes, Council Member Hudus.

47:46 – 48:41Speaker 5

Yeah, thank you for the report and the information. I understand that there's been a great deal of change pushed to localities by the state with regard to ADU, numerous, numerous laws. And, you know, as I read, as I read this, I think they think it's one size fits all and I think that there's some significant challenges with the laws that have been pushed. I wanted to explore the buy right option. I think you mentioned that there are maximum sizes in some cases. Could you ELABORATE ON THAT. ARE THEY 500 SQUARE FEET OR ARE THERE CASES WHERE THE BUY RIGHT ARE LARGER THAN THAT?

48:43 – 49:20Speaker 17

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. SO IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TABLE 1.3 REALLY PROVIDES SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR BUY RIGHT ADUS. WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE THERE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE TABLE IS MAXIMUM SIZE OF INTERIOR LIVABLE SPACE. as you go across the different categories the only one that has a maximum size is a new construction detached adu and that's capped at 800 square feet conversion adus whether that's on a single family property or a multi-family property do not include a maximum size limitation in state law

49:26Speaker 24

Yeah, please go ahead.

49:27 – 49:46Speaker 5

And so with regard to the town standard ADUs, is there currently, and is there any reason that we would have to change the 1,200 square foot maximum size?

49:48Speaker 17

I don't see a reason from the state law perspective why we would need to change that.

49:53 – 51:00Speaker 5

Okay, so just because this is a very important point because we struggled with this several years ago about how ADUs can actually contribute to affordable housing stock. And we went through a debate about what's the best way to accomplish that. We talked about putting income restrictions on ADUs or income categories on ADUs. Um, but the town settled on what we called, uh, affordable by design and that design was limiting to 1200 square feet. Um, I understand that ADUs are allowed to be up to 50% of the square footage of the primary residence, but is that capped at 1,200? Or if there were a 4,000 square foot residence, would that maximum be 2,000 square feet?

51:00 – 51:29Speaker 17

So thank you for that question. I think there's a distinction that needs to be made between an attached ADU and an ADU created by converting existing space. So if it were an attached ADU and met that definition, under a town standard ADU, you'd be limited to 1,200 square feet. If it were a conversion unit that met that definition, there's no natural cap or nominal cap. It would be limited to the ratio cap of no more than 50% of the remaining portion of the residence.

51:31 – 51:42Speaker 5

And if I could just follow up, is that the case with our existing ADU requirements now? I thought they were all capped at 1200.

51:43 – 52:11Speaker 17

The original understanding of state law, and I would actually have to dig in a little bit to research if there was a deviation. But the original understanding was that we could cap all ADUs at 1200. This is before we had the two different ADU product types. And that's what we have been enforcing for a long time. Recently it's come clear through HCD that conversion ADUs are not capped by square footage.

52:14Speaker 5

And so is that language reflected in the draft that we have tonight?

52:22 – 52:59Speaker 5

Okay. So that may be an area, if this does get continued, to follow up on in terms of exactly where, because from what I see, there's a possibility of us having um you know numerous two thousand three thousand square foot adus plus below grade space i believe um and is that is that correct currently the town code existing and proposed

53:00 – 53:17Speaker 17

requires that ADUs be located on one single floor. So you couldn't have a basement underneath it and you couldn't have a second story above it. They can't be connected. It doesn't mean you can't have a basement ADU, a ground floor ADU, or a second story ADU. They just can't be multiple stories within that unit.

53:20Speaker 5

But could you have three units with, three dwelling units within a structure?

53:26Speaker 17

you could, yes, you could have a conversion unit, an attached unit, and a junior ADU.

53:34Speaker 5

Okay, I may have questions later when we get around on that.

53:38Speaker 24

Yeah, Vice Mayor Risto, then Council Member Badami.

53:40 – 53:57Speaker 11

Thank you. Yeah, this gets tricky really quickly. So, Manager Mullin, when you were talking about you could have the conversion and the junior and, you know, the attached unit, Are any of those town ADUs or are those by-right ADUs?

53:58 – 54:36Speaker 17

Thank you for that question. It's a combination thereof. So on page three of the staff report, there's a table that outlines the maximum number of ADUs allowed per property. And the state code is very clear that you can combine all the different product types. So for a single family property, when you read that you can have four total ADUs, it's not always that easily to actualize that. You would need a... to combine a one town standard ADU. And then under the buy right category, you would use three, which would be one detached new construction ADU, one conversion ADU and one junior ADU.

54:36 – 55:03Speaker 11

Okay. And then to follow on to council member Hude's comments about the conversion ADU, a conversion ADU Can you explain to me, is that actually literally taken out of the existing footprint? So if somebody had a 4,000 square foot house and created a 2,000 square foot ADU, would they essentially be cutting their living space in half? Would they be taking their 4,000 square foot house down to 2,000 square feet?

55:04Speaker 11

They're essentially creating a duplex?

55:06Speaker 17

Yes. Okay. In that scenario.

55:08Speaker 11

Because they can't create 2,000 extra square feet out of there, right? Or can they?

55:16 – 55:29Speaker 17

The conversion is modification of existing space. Okay. So you couldn't build to convert. That would be considered an interior by some folks definitions or an attached unit.

55:29Speaker 11

And is that the only type of ADU that does not have a maximum square footage?

55:34Speaker 17

Conversion under the town standard ADU does not have a maximum square footage.

55:39Speaker 11

Okay. And under, okay. But the other ADUs do have maximum square footage?

55:45 – 56:17Speaker 17

The town standard non-conversion ADU is limited to 1200 square feet, whether that's an attached unit or detached unit. A by-right junior ADU is limited by definition to 500 square feet. And then when you get into the, Make sure I'm on the right table to answer that. The conversion ADU, to answer your question, yes, the conversion ADU by right would not have a limit. A new by right detached new construction is limited to 800 square feet.

56:17 – 56:32Speaker 11

Okay, so it does sound like... What I'm hearing is conversion ADU is the only one that doesn't have maximum square footage. And at that point, the homeowner I'm hearing is then, as they enlarge that, they're decreasing their space.

56:33 – 56:56Speaker 17

that's one scenario there is another scenario where you take a 3 000 square foot barn and convert it into an adu okay detached structure you can convert that can be more than 1200 square feet that's a buy right um adu or could be a town standard adu so an existing structure on the property yes a garage a barn correct a pool room or whatever okay got it thank you councilmember budami

56:57 – 57:16Speaker 4

Thank you. I want to make sure I understand this. So if it were the will of the council, and if we continue the item, we could discuss, or maybe, again, the will of the council, move forward with limiting conversion ADUs to 1,200 square feet?

57:16 – 57:27Speaker 17

In my opinion, in my read of the state law, no. Thank you. State law and HCD have opined that there is no floor area maximum applicable to conversion ADUs. Thank you.

57:30 – 58:04Speaker 24

And so just to ask a little bit more on that. So it sounds like we've gotten, I read the letter from the Housing Defense Fund. The recommendation from staff is that the town attorney reviews that, provides recommendations comments and response staff brings back a similar recommendation, perhaps with some minor modifications in response to that, to make sure that we comply with state law. But essentially this ordinance is just to get us to comply with state law and our, our understanding of state law.

58:05 – 58:16Speaker 17

Yes, that's correct. So the last two rounds of update I can speak to personally, cause I worked on them. Um, we, we endeavored only to just get it to the state state level.

58:16Speaker 24

Great, thank you. Yes, Council Member Hudeis.

58:21 – 58:36Speaker 5

Yeah, I was really shocked by the letter coming from the Housing Defense Fund, I believe today. And I'm curious whether there's been communications with them previously?

58:39Speaker 10

Not with my office.

58:41Speaker 5

So they just dropped that on us on the eve of our hearing?

58:45Speaker 10

It was received today.

58:53 – 59:15Speaker 24

All right, well, then I will open up public comment on this item, and then we'll get to a motion and discussion. We have two speaker cards in the room. We'll start with Kathy Weiner, and then followed by Linda Swenberg. Can you speak into the mic? Sorry.

59:16 – 1:01:20Speaker 12

I'm so sorry. Thank you. Okay, I've lived in Los Gatos over 40 years. I raised my kids here. I know a lot about the community. I live in the almond Grove. We have a 300 square foot ADU. It's been a godsend for my husband and I retired fixed income. And I feel like the council, as you said, one size does not fit all. You could add a little something to this ADU idea. I know you have a, you can't have a, ADU over a detached garage unless the main house is two stories. And I'm guessing that had to do with privacy and so forth. But for instance, a lot of alma groves on alleys. So there is no adjacent property up to the And my situation, many people in Almond Grove, I'm surrounded by two-story houses. Front of me, back of me, side of me, many, many people. And I just don't think it's fair to think, okay, so the people that can afford a two-story house get to have it over their detached garage. And that maybe you could make that a little more flexible and think about how many more ADUs there could be to provide that. you know, affordable housing in this community. You know, I have young adult children, and they can't afford to live here. So I think being more equitable across the whole community, that as long as you're doing this, and I hope you're going to table it until the next meeting, maybe you could add something in there that there are situations where it would be okay to have it over a detached garage. We'd have more green space, which is better for the environment. Some people have really small lots they can't have an ADU. So I want you to just sort of think about the message you're giving to the community. On one hand, I get it's privacy. I get you have to be black and white. But you're also sort of saying, well, if you're wealthy enough to have a big house, you get to have this too. And that doesn't seem fair to me. So I'd just like you to consider that as you're looking at this.

1:01:21Speaker 24

Thank you. Our next commenter is Linda Swenberg.

1:01:32 – 1:04:10Speaker 13

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. I'm Linda Swenberg. Hi. I've lived in the town for more than 30 years. And in 2004, we moved to a different house just a couple blocks from our previous home. And at this house, there's a beautiful brand newly built, at that time, accessory structure. And it was fully permitted as a habitable pool house. At that time, and it even has a spot for a kitchen, but at that time, the town refused to allow the previous owner to put a kitchen in. That wasn't a thing. ADUs were not a thing at that time, and it wasn't something that Los Gatos was interested in. Well, now we have this state law, and I know we're all a little bit confused about these conversion structures. I think that there are probably lots of people like... who are in our situation who have beautiful completely permitted habitable structures with a big pool a big bathroom a big bedroom we even have fire sprinklers which aren't even required today. What we don't have is a kitchen. And I don't think that this current revision makes a great distinction between different types of conversion units. Like, something like I'm dealing with seems to be treated exactly the same as somebody converting a barn or a garage or a storage shed into living space. We already have living space. We just need to do an internal renovation, which obviously requires building permits and stuff for safety. But You know, why not actually put it in your ordinance? Why not consider something, because I think that you could come up with a lot of new housing inventory this way, and it could be very good for the town without doing a lot of extra building or anything like that. So I want you to consider that. Maybe move away from a one-size-fits-all approach on the conversion ADUs. I hope that helps. Oh, and I did go speak to the building department about some other things today, and they said, well, now we're kind of working around that, and you can maybe just give a marked-up floor plan, but it's not in the ordinance, so I really think they need some more legislative direction on that. It would be a good idea. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

1:04:12Speaker 13

I'm confused. Thank you.

1:04:17Speaker 24

All right, I have no other speaker cards in the room, and I see no hands on Zoom, and so I will close public comment on that item, and I'll turn to Vice Mayor Risto.

1:04:28 – 1:04:41Speaker 11

Thank you. I just want to check with our planning manager. Is there anything about our rules right now that would preclude, I mean, a conversion's a conversion. Would it preclude a pool house or something that's most of the way there?

1:04:42Speaker 11

Because I know someone would put a kitchen in their garage with an existing almost...

1:04:46 – 1:05:06Speaker 17

Yeah, conversion of existing space. There's no limitation on what that space is used for. The scenario described by the speaker sounds like all they would need to do would be to pull a building permit to put a kitchen in the unit, and then it would classify as an ADU. And I would encourage them to contact me directly. I'd be happy to walk through that with them.

1:05:07Speaker 11

Okay, thank you.

1:05:07Speaker 24

Thank you. Yes, Council Member Hudas.

1:05:12 – 1:05:28Speaker 5

Yeah, I mean, in the spirit of our new agenda policy in Rosenberg, I'm gonna make a motion. Please. To continue this item to a date recommended by staff. Vice Mayor Stone.

1:05:29 – 1:05:48Speaker 11

Thank you, I'll second the motion. I mean, upon seeing that email today, I immediately sent questions to staff, which I realized there was no way they could be answered by tonight, so I appreciate coming up with that option that we start this, have the discussion, and then take time to look at this. So I appreciate that extra work.

1:05:50Speaker 24

Mm-hmm, Council Member Dami?

1:05:52Speaker 4

With the continuance then, I would just like confirmation that all would be needed is a building permit to accommodate the last speaker.

1:06:02Speaker 17

I apologize, could you repeat the question?

1:06:05Speaker 4

I'll be supporting the motion, but I want to make sure that with the continuance that the last speaker could be accommodated by just simply applying for a building permit.

1:06:14Speaker 17

Absolutely. Okay. There's nothing in the current ordinance or in the draft ordinance that would hold that scenario back.

1:06:24Speaker 4

Thank you. I'll be supporting the motion.

1:06:26Speaker 24

Thank you. Yeah, to the town attorney.

1:06:28 – 1:06:42Speaker 10

If the council's interested in continuing the item, I think September 16th would allow enough time for staff to look into the questions raised in the letter. And I want to confirm with planning that that date works for planning as well.

1:06:42Speaker 17

That would work as long as it's September 15th, which is the Tuesday.

1:06:46Speaker 24

It's hard to read from here. That sounds great. And what is the timeline on the necessity for the town to implement these changes?

1:06:56 – 1:07:26Speaker 17

Thank you for that question. So most of these changes are already in effect. Since we are out of compliance with state law, which is very common because of how quickly they sign bills and how long it takes to get ordinances lined up, we are already enforcing what we understand to be compliant state law. HCD has reached out to us to check in, and we have communicated what our hearing schedule is. So if they check in again, we can let them know, but we're actively working on it. Okay, great. Thank you very much.

1:07:26Speaker 10

Actually, can I revise my request to be the first meeting in October? And I think it says October 6th? Yes. Okay.

1:07:34Speaker 12

Does that work for planning?

1:07:38Speaker 24

Thank you. We'll hear the item by then, and if it happens to come in sooner, we'll take it. Thank you. Yes, Council Member Hudas.

1:07:47 – 1:08:41Speaker 5

Yeah, I did have a number of other questions that I think maybe could be addressed at that time, not necessarily on the fly, but maybe some of them. The first one relates to ADUs and historic districts. And one of the things that we debated and discussed included in our ordinance was that an ADU shall not be built in front of a historic structure. Does the revised ordinance continue that policy of not allowing an ADU in front of a historic structure, whether it's a by-right or whether it's a town ADU?

1:08:43 – 1:09:16Speaker 10

I can start with my recollection because that was one of the issues raised in the letter that was received today. Because the town's proposed ordinance did prohibit ADUs from being built in the front yard if they can be built elsewhere on the property. And the letter stated that that provision is prohibited. And so that's one issue I would want to look into. And that applied to both standard ADUs and by right ADUs.

1:09:17 – 1:11:49Speaker 5

And so if I could just follow up on that. I looked at the letter. I didn't see anything about historic. I saw something about setbacks and I saw something, you know, else. I would just say that I think that needs a great deal of attention because if ADUs are allowed in front of historic structures, it would decimate the historic character of our town. And I think we need to really look very, very closely at that before we eliminate that that's in our current code. So I would, again, appreciate if we did a little more research into that topic. I had another question. So coming back to the size limit, you know, One of the things, and I think ADUs have a lot of potential to add to our housing stock, our affordable housing stock. And despite the fact that we have all of these SB 330 applications, many of them will not get built. but ADUs can be an effective way of providing affordable housing in town. And so if we're not able to limit the size of these conversion ADUs or any other ones, Is there a possibility of doing what other municipalities have done and putting income requirements, particularly on rental ADUs, to ensure that these ADUs that are created are actually affordable and not just another way to get around our zoning and create large, a large single family or other homes that we wouldn't otherwise allow. So could, and I think I passed on a report from ABAC that addressed ways that other municipalities have tried to get affordable housing. Stock out of that. Is that something that we have looked at or could we look at that?

1:11:50 – 1:13:04Speaker 17

So, thank you for that question. And following on a discussion that the council member and I had, I looked into it a little bit. The kind of initial thought is that. What's in front of you tonight is the different product types could not be deed restricted to lower income or affordable units. The information that Council Member Huot has passed on to staff from ABAC really is relating to an incentive-based program that would be adopted by the council. And in fact, the existing town code explicitly says if the council, the council may adopt an incentive program, and if an ADU is created through said program, it needs to be deed restricted to a lower income. So it's really a carrot-based system. That means there's other municipalities, as the council member mentioned, that do things like... know additional units above and beyond what the state allows additional floor area waving fees waving there's no interest loans there's all sorts of different menu items it really needs to be an incentive-based approach before the town could impose a deed restriction on affordability

1:13:08Speaker 5

So is that something that we'd be prepared to look at in October or is that something that we might look at later?

1:13:17 – 1:13:51Speaker 17

Yeah, I realize I didn't answer the second part of that question, so I appreciate you repeating it. So the housing element has programs in it, and specifically Program Q that speaks to this in exploring incentive programs and exploring other ways to incentivize and encourage ADUs. We can start some, we've already had some preliminary conversations about Program Q in the past. We can continue that conversation and come back with some feedback related to Program Q in October and see how we can move forward with that at the council's direction and what kind of incentive programs you may be interested in.

1:13:52 – 1:14:12Speaker 5

Well, I for one would be very interested in ways of accomplishing affordable living spaces as we're revising our ADU policy as compared to just allowing development to run over the town.

1:14:14 – 1:17:15Speaker 24

Thank you. So I'll just add a few quick things. So one thing that as a younger person that lives in an apartment, I was thinking about this as I was thinking about this item. All of my friends under the age of 30 who live in the town of Los Gatos either live in an ADU or in an apartment. That's the only way for someone who makes less than $150,000 a year to live in the town of Los Gatos. And Talking about our historic districts, and I really appreciated the comment from our first speaker on this, several of my friends that live in ADUs live in the Almond Grove. There's a lot of ADUs in the Almond Grove. There's lots of smaller housing units, none of which are below market rate. They're not deed-restricted affordable, Yet, not to out anyone, but these people pay between $1,000 and $3,000 a month, which sounds expensive, but is actually quite affordable for rent in this town. And so I'm very philosophically supportive of ADUs. I think they're a really, really good way to create more... naturally affordable housing stock. And they also, of course, support homeowners that are able to build these that then they can create a second income stream or have their family live in them. I think ADUs are very, very good. And so I think I'm always glad when we are creating ways to make it easier to build ADUs. I would be interested in the incentives-based program. I would not be supportive of putting any BMR requirements on what we're talking about here. It sounds like we can't anyway. But I think it's really important to recognize that, well, Below market rate units have a huge place in creating affordable housing. Most of the affordable housing in Los Gatos is naturally affordable. Again, the type of housing that I live in is naturally affordable. If you were to put income requirements on my affordable housing, I couldn't live in it, and then it would no longer be affordable to me because I would not meet the income qualifications. and have to go through that onerous process. Anyway, I'm interested in the incentives-based program. I'm also interested in staff's just perspective on what the first speaker shared about the sort of issues with second story ADUs. What she was speaking about is if a home is surrounded on all sides by two-story homes and this second-story ADU is not going to be particularly impactful, I would be interested in exploring that, not asking staff to come up with that, but just get some perspective on that when we return in October. I think that's all I've got. Not seeing any comments or questions from Council Member Rennie, so I will call.

1:17:15 – 1:17:27Speaker 10

You know, I think for us it would be helpful to have direction on the second story issue because I think planning's hope is to have the ordinance ready for introduction on October 6th.

1:17:27 – 1:17:45Speaker 24

Sorry, so just to be clear on what I'm asking for, I don't think we're at a place to put it into this particular version, but it seems like we do this every year, and so I'd like to get staff's perspective on how big of an undertaking that would be to create that. Is it a good idea, is it a bad idea? I could respond now.

1:17:45 – 1:19:08Speaker 17

Yeah, please. The history of that, speaking of incentives, was all the way back in one of the original iterations, probably around 2018, 2017. As council was exploring the FAR 10% increase to help allow these, there was a recognition of places like the Almond Grove that have smaller lots, because they're very old and smaller subdivisions, that didn't have footprint to build these things. And so back then, we were giving folks a 10% bump but nowhere to put it. And so it was decided through the council's decision with the ordinance to allow for a second story ADU above a detached structure so long as the primary house was already two stories. It wasn't about privacy, as I recall. We actually had to address that later from second story ADUs. It was more about making sure that the accessory use, the accessory unit was truly accessible accessory to the primary and it didn't end up dominating a small 900 1200 square foot cottage by putting an 800 square foot second story on a detached garage um so that's been that that's where that that's the origin story um to change that would not be a lift i mean i mean we would look to council's guidance and what you're interested in or is there any limitation or are we just going to allow it and then we could write that very quickly

1:19:09 – 1:19:35Speaker 24

Okay. Yeah. I don't personally, I don't know that I've given it enough thought or no, you know, well enough with that would, uh, how big of a change that would be. Um, so I guess perhaps my recommendation would be that the next time this goes to planning commission, we hear how they think about that. Well, it would be one way to do this. I'm, I'm open to other thoughts from council members. I wasn't around, um, when that was, was first discussed, but, um, I'll look to vice mayor Risto.

1:19:35 – 1:20:31Speaker 11

Thank you, yeah, I don't think I would be willing to support that in this update right now. I think we've got a lot of other changes and looking at the fact that somebody could potentially add four ADUs on an existing structure, I don't wanna start adding floors. I also live in a historic district where we don't have an alley and so most of our garages are next to people's homes. And so the idea that suddenly the garage is gonna pop up and you're gonna have it hanging over your yard or looking into your house, I think will create a lot of privacy issues that we can probably avoid unless this letter that we've received that says we can't preclude a second story garage comes up. But I think right now, Good idea to put that on the back burner and the next time we address a series of laws, and who knows, maybe the next series of laws will make this conversation irrelevant. But I would prefer that it not be brought back to us in October.

1:20:31Speaker 24

Yeah, I'm not asking for that.

1:20:35Speaker 24

Council Member Rennie?

1:20:37 – 1:20:56Speaker 6

Yeah, I thought that we were already out of compliance with state law, that state law said that you could have an ADU on a second story, and what we currently have is not in compliance. Is there some subtlety here?

1:20:56 – 1:21:24Speaker 17

I don't recall offhand. the letter from today brings up a different issue that may, if what the HDF is saying is correct for the by-right units, it's possible that they would be allowed now, but we don't have clarification on that, so we need to explore that.

1:21:24Speaker 24

Okay, so it sounds like we'll get a more thorough update in October on all these things.

1:21:30 – 1:21:55Speaker 6

Yeah, because I spent some time exploring the idea of adding a second story ADU on my house. And I had communication with Director Polson and with HCD on it. And basically, my understanding through HCD is the town cannot prevent me from putting a second story ADU on my one story house.

1:21:58Speaker 24

Looks like Director Paulson has some input.

1:22:00 – 1:22:20Speaker 16

Thank you, through the Mayor. Joel Paulson, Community Development Director. So I think that the issue Councilmember Rainey is raising is very site-specific. So there are parameters where, in his case, that would be the only place he may be able to put one. So we would have to allow it. But there's a lot of other nuances depending on those site-specific conditions.

1:22:20 – 1:22:49Speaker 24

Okay, so at a high level, it sounds like there's maybe a little bit of misunderstanding or lack of understanding, at least for me, among where can, where is a second story ADU allowable? So maybe if staff just comes back to the council in October with that information, I think that'd be informative for how we think about this moving forward. Thank you. Okay, does staff have all the direction they need on this? Thank you. Will the town clerk please do a roll call vote?

1:22:50Speaker 14

Council Member Rennie?

1:22:53Speaker 14

Council Member Redes?

1:22:55Speaker 14

Council Member Badami? Aye. Vice Mayor Risto? Aye. Mayor Moore?

1:22:59 – 1:23:17Speaker 24

Aye. Passes unanimously. Thank you all. We will now move on to other business. And we have the introduction of an omnibus ordinance amending the town code to make minor updates and clarifications. And I will look to the town attorney for this item.

1:23:18 – 1:29:16Speaker 10

Thank you, Gabrielle Whelan, town attorney, and I have a PowerPoint presentation that will accompany my talk. So this proposed ordinance is the result of a annual review of the town code to see if there are any cleanups that are needed. Next slide, please. And so the purpose of it is to really fix non-substantive simple things that are errors or things that don't match current town procedures or current town titles, et cetera. Next slide, please. And then another element of this is we're updating cross references to make sure that references to other sections of the code are still accurate. Next slide, please. and also to make sure that we're in alignment with current state and federal law. Next slide, please. And so I have the ordinance changes, the proposed ordinance changes listed in numerical order, but I won't describe each and every change. I'll talk about them in terms of categories. And so one category of proposed changes is updating position titles. And so the town's finance director position has been replaced with an administrative services director position. And so those references are proposed to be updated in the code. Next slide, please. Another category of changes has to do with what the town manager's supervisor or supervisorial responsibilities are. And the code needs to be corrected because the code used to say that the town manager did not have supervisory responsibility over the town clerk or town treasurer. And that's incorrect. And so we're proposing to update that language. Next slide, please. And then with regard to the powers and duties of the town manager, the proposed change would state that the town manager can designate another employee to attend town council meetings in his or her stead in the event that he or she is unable to attend. Next slide, please. And then another position title update is currently the code references a town administrator, which is a position that no longer exists. And so those references have been replaced with references to the town clerk. And then there is a proposed change to personnel board meeting requirements. The code currently states that the personnel board meets annually. However, in staff's experience, there's not a need to meet annually because there's no guarantee that there will be business to conduct each year. And so the proposal is to change the requirements so that the meetings occur as needed. And the meetings will still occur at the date and time that's specified for personnel board meetings, but they would only be held if there was business to conduct. Next slide, please. The next two changes have to do with referring to the administrative services director. Next slide, please. In the town's sidewalk vending ordinance, there is a holdover reference to push carts, which is the term that we used before the state law came into effect. And so for consistency with state law, we're recommending that that term be replaced with the state term, which is vending device. And the next one has to do with the town's special events ordinance. The ordinance talks about penalties for having a special event without a permit, and there's just a typo in the cross-reference, and so the proposal is to change the cross-reference to the correct section. Next slide, please. With regard to the second change that's noted on the slide, that codified an urgency ordinance and the urgency ordinance has expired. And so we're proposing to remove that code section since the ordinance that authorized it is no longer in effect. Next slide, please. With regard to animals in parks, it's come to our attention that our code prohibits animals off leash under all circumstances, and pursuant to the Americans with Disabilities Act, there will be some instances in which service animals can be off leash, and so we're proposing an amendment to the code to reflect that. Next slide, please. These two sections have to do with the bonds and insurance that the town requires for its contracts. The code had specific insurance and bond amount requirements in the code, but those requirements really should be tied to the risk associated with a specific contract, and so we're proposing an amendment to the code to give the town manager or designee the authority to determine what the appropriate amount of insurance or bond is to require. Next slide, please. Those have to do with changes to titles. Next slide, please. Same, next slide please. And so those, that's a list of the changes that are proposed to the town code. Tonight, staff is recommending introduction of the ordinance, and if it is introduced tonight, it would return for adoption on August 18th, and if it's adopted by the council on August 18th, the changes would take effect 30 days after that. And that concludes my presentation.

1:29:16 – 1:29:34Speaker 24

Great, thank you very much. Are there questions for the town attorney? Seeing none, I will open up public comment on this item. I have no cards in the room and no hands raised on Zoom. So I will close public comment and I'll look to Councilmember Badami.

1:29:36 – 1:30:00Speaker 4

Thank you. This item is essentially general housekeeping in regard to legalities. So I move to introduce an ordinance amending various sections of the town of Los Gatos Municipal Code to correct grammatical errors, clarify existing provisions, ensure consistency with current state and federal law, and make administrative, technical, and non-substantive changes.

1:30:01Speaker 24

Thank you. Vice Mayor Risto.

1:30:04 – 1:30:25Speaker 11

Thank you, I'll second it. I also want to extend thanks to, it looks like our administrative technician, Bridget Falconeo, did this work. And I know every time I find a typo or an inconsistency, I'm sure combing through this was very tedious, but hopefully somewhat satisfying to clean it up. And I really appreciate probably the hours that she put into this.

1:30:27 – 1:30:47Speaker 24

Thank you. I will just echo those sentiments, appreciate our town attorney. for making sure everything, all of our T's are crossed and I's are dotted. Seeing no other comments, I will turn to the town clerk for a roll call vote. Aye.

1:30:47Speaker 14

Council Member Houdis.

1:30:49Speaker 14

Council Member Badami. Aye. Vice Mayor Risto. Aye. Mayor Moore.

1:30:54 – 1:31:09Speaker 24

Aye. Passes unanimously. Thank you all. Okay. So we will now move to item 17, which is regarding electronic pet containment and the town's fence regulations. And I'll be turning to the town attorney to hear about that item.

1:31:09 – 1:36:47Speaker 10

Thank you, Mayor. So this item relates to a request that was made by a resident at a meeting about six months ago. The resident had asked whether the town council would consider changing the town code to specifically allow for the use of electronic pet containment systems in the hillside areas. Next slide, please. and electronic pet containment systems use a buried wire around the property that establishes a boundary for pets and the pets wear a collar and when they cross the boundary and they receive an electric shock next slide please State law does allow for the use of electronic pet containment systems for ordinary pets, but it does require an actual physical enclosure for potentially dangerous or vicious dogs. Next slide, please. The town code currently requires that dogs either be on a leash or confined behind a six foot fence and that's contained in section 4.40.005. Next slide please. However, there is also a town code section in the zoning chapter that applies to properties in the hillside areas. And it provides that fences in the hillside areas cannot exceed six feet. and then further on properties that are one acre or more the perimeter fencing must be wildlife friendly and wildlife friendly is defined in the code as a fence that wildlife can pass through and it requires an 18 inch difference between the base of the fence and the ground level so wildlife friendly friendly fencing would not be effective in containing a pet next slide please And so there is a conflict within the code because in one place there's a requirement for a six foot fence and then in another place in the hillside areas there's a cap at 42 inches plus it needs to be wildlife friendly. Next slide please. The resident who made the request also referenced the Room to Roam Act, which is a state law, and he mentioned that he believed an ordinance change would bring the town closer in alignment to that state requirement. um the room to roam act is a state law that requires cities and towns to consider wildlife movement when they're planning new development so it's not directly related to the issue of the town code but it is related to the issue of wildlife movement to the extent that an electronic pet containment system would allow for wildlife movement next slide please So I've composed a list of pros and cons of amending the Town Code to allow for electronic pet containment. There may be others, but this is a starting place. So the first pro would be that we resolve a conflict within the Town Code. It would support wildlife movement. It is a more cost-effective option than building physical fences. And electronic pet containment systems do work well on uneven terrain where it's difficult to build a physical fence. Next slide, please. And the cons are that electric correction can cause discomfort to pets. And then it's important to note that an electronic pet containment system would not keep wildlife off the property. It only works for the pet that's wearing the collar. Pets have been known to escape if the system fails. And it will be more difficult for town staff to verify whether or not property owners are in compliance. Next slide, please. SO WE DID RESEARCH ON WHICH OTHER JURISDICTIONS CURRENTLY ALLOW SPECIFICALLY ALLOW ELECTRONIC PET CONTAINMENT AND WE LOCATED A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. THE FIRST IS THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. THE NEXT IS THE CITY OF DEL MAR. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. In Northern California, the city of Salinas does allow it, and so does the county of Monterey. Next slide, please. City of Rolling Hills allows it as well. And then with regard to jurisdictions that are closer to us, Santa Clara County and Los Altos Hills are working on wildlife friendly fencing regulations, but I did not locate any information that they were considering allowing electronic pet containment specifically. Next slide please. And so the purpose of this presentation was to provide the council with information regarding electronic pet containment and the town code. And I'm here to answer questions and if the town council is interested in pursuing amendments to the town code, that's something that I can work on.

1:36:49 – 1:37:07Speaker 24

Thank you very much. Questions for the town attorney? My question is, if this is something we were to provide direction for you to pursue, what would be the approximate ballpark timeline on preparing an ordinance?

1:37:08 – 1:37:31Speaker 10

There's a number of very important public hearings that the town council will be hearing regarding SB 330 applications and other applications. So my thought would be that the town council could direct that this work be undertaken after those hearings are complete. And so I would anticipate that this amendment could be undertaken in November.

1:37:32 – 1:37:43Speaker 24

Great, thank you. All right, seeing no other questions or comments, I will turn to the public. We have one speaker card from Keith Blaine.

1:37:52 – 1:41:01Speaker 22

Good evening, Mayor Moore, members of the council. As you know, my name is Keith Blaine and I was the, my family, my pet were the ones that brought this to your attention. So thank you for all your attention so far. I really wanted to sincerely thank our town attorney for going through this and putting together a fair well research report and pointing and confirming that there is this conflict between our two code sections. And that it didn't appear to be intentional. It wasn't. Wasn't something that the town was trying to do. I think it's great that we found 4 more jurisdictions than I did. I think we have total of 11 between our 2 reports. I wanted to just speak to the cons if I could. And so the 1 on the, the pain, uh, that, uh, an animal, a pet or dog might, uh, experience with all the major systems and say, there's dog watch pet safe and sport dog. Um, they start with an audible noise within about 10 feet. They vary between device, um, and then not dog watch, but the other 2 have. coincide with the vibration also in the color. So there is this, uh, a non painful warning system before you get within the actual fence itself. Um, and so then that that shock or that what these dog watch refers to is kind of it's more like a static or like, when you touch a door knob, it's kind of like a static chart. It's not like a punishment pain intended type thing. Um, In my personal experience with our dog, um, I'd say, like, with most training aids for dogs, once they've been trained on it, uh, the color can be taken off and they don't really they've learned that this is where I don't go. Um, so, on the second con was related to power failure and, uh, in my proposed, uh, addendum language. Uh, thinking about this and thinking about from the public in my neighbor's standpoint, I would recommend a 24 hour battery backup, which is very similar to motorcycle battery that you see in this building's fire alarm sprinkler system. Um, and then you're kind of like, you're, you're, you're home, uh, alarm system. Um, and then on the escape again, once the dog has been properly trained on the system, um. It's common for them to no longer need the color. Um. And then the 4th item, uh, on compliance, um, like all fences within our town, uh, inspections and owner maintenance is required and the proposed, uh. Permitting process is included in, uh, in my kind of 5 step suggestion for the, the amendment. Um, and then I think I just wanted to clarify that the room to room to Rome act is going into effect in 2028, not in the 2025. So, anyways, I kindly ask that we direct staff to draft an amendment. Thank you.

1:41:01Speaker 24

Thank you very much. Looks like we have a question for you from council member.

1:41:04 – 1:41:19Speaker 5

Yeah, thank you. Um, thank you for all the work on this. Um. In your understanding, does current town code prohibit you from implementing this type of a system?

1:41:21Speaker 22

I have personally been cited for having this type of a system and not having a six foot fence on my hillside property.

1:41:30 – 1:41:41Speaker 5

So the issue is not having the required fence Or is the issue that this type of a system is not allowed?

1:41:42 – 1:41:59Speaker 22

If I were to put up a property line six-foot fence on my property, it would prevent, it would be in conflict with the hillside resident fence wildlife movement code.

1:41:59Speaker 5

Okay, thank you.

1:42:03Speaker 24

Thank you. Any other questions for the speaker?

1:42:08 – 1:42:35Speaker 22

I did find it a little the 1 acre versus hillside resident. I find that pretty gray and I would. I personally want to read more about how to find it because I always refer to it as hillside residents and there is the 1 acre version, but I think it would be, I would include both because hillside residents. I just, I don't know if the 1 acre minimum requirement is. Encapsulating.

1:42:36Speaker 24

Okay, thank you. Oh, yep, now we have another question.

1:42:41Speaker 4

So your citation, just to dig in a little deeper, was that an administrative warning or did it involve a fee that you would have to pay to the town?

1:42:53Speaker 22

It's a $100 fee for each citation.

1:42:59Speaker 24

Thank you very much for your comments.

1:43:00Speaker 22

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

1:43:03Speaker 24

Okay, seeing no other comments, I will turn back to the council. Yes, Vice Mayor Risto.

1:43:11 – 1:46:14Speaker 11

Thank you. First of all, I appreciate the dilemma this resident has, and it sounds like most of our Hillside residents would have, because it's impossible to comply with both of our regulations. And over the years, I've attended ad hoc meetings about the fence ordinance and updates, and I think it is really important, and state law is gonna codify that, that our wildlife have the right to roam. The con about the electronic fence is that it won't keep wildlife out, well that is, property owners issue not our issue and I would imagine that there can be a smaller enclosure on the property where the dog could be out unsupervised but you know Speaking as a downtown resident, we've had a mountain lion run through our backyards. They can jump over a six-foot fence. So if you're worried about your dog's safety, you don't leave them out alone at night anyway. I also have personal experience with using what would be called correction or a shock collar. I had a Vichla, which is a dog that likes to exercise a lot, and when I had him, we did a lot of off-leash hiking in the East Bay Hills where it's legal, and there are a lot of rattlesnakes there. And so those of us who have sporting breed dogs got together and we brought in an agency that did rattlesnake aversion training. And you really can't do that without inflicting a little bit of discomfort on the dog when it smells the skin, when it hears the rattle, and when it sees an actual rattlesnake. And I can speak from experience, my dog, who had very short fur, was on the lowest setting of the shock. I touched it, I barely felt anything, but he elevated. And he only needed one. And he was solid. We renewed the training maybe like five years later, but I will tell you, he was the best. He kept me from getting bitten by rattlesnakes because he would... give the warning as soon as he thought he came anywhere near it. Now generalized to other snakes too, but I was okay with that. So I think the argument that this could be cruel to an animal, I also think it's cruel if they can't go outside, if they can't go outside of a five foot enclosure, if they can't run and be free, and I know that compassionate pet owners will choose systems that will train a dog well and with the audible and with the vibration, dogs are smart. They'll figure it out. So I think this is a really important thing for us to do. It also looks like we have about 400 properties that are already using this type of system. And so I really would love to, I'll make a motion that staff come back to us in November with an ordinance change for us to consider allowing electronic fences in the hillsides, but also perhaps for properties that may not be in the hillsides that are over an acre.

1:46:16Speaker 24

Council Member Domi.

1:46:18Speaker 4

For the multiple reasons cited by the Vice Mayor, I'll be supporting the motion.

1:46:24Speaker 5

Yeah, Council Member Hudes. Yeah, was that a second?

1:46:29Speaker 24

Yeah, I took that. Yes.

1:46:33 – 1:47:24Speaker 5

I wanted to understand from town staff perspective two things. One is the level of effort to create this system, or this ordinance, and then the second is what level of effort or cost would be incurred to ensure compliance as compared to the current code requirements? And related to that, who on town staff would be tasked with this? Is this currently budgeted? And if it does incur additional costs, would these be permitted in a way that we could recover fees for this, for the work?

1:47:29 – 1:48:43Speaker 10

So with regard to the first question, I mean, I know it's a simple fix, but whenever you change the ordinance, you have to make sure it's internally consistent. So it's not as much effort as the ADU ordinance per se, but there's still a level of effort. FOR THE COUNCIL IT WOULD REQUIRE A FIRST READING, A SECOND READING. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO ENFORCEMENT, THE TOWN CURRENTLY DOES COMPLAINT-BASED CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THERE'S ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I THINK THE SECOND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS OUT OF FUNDING. AND SO THE OFFICER RESPONDS WHENEVER THERE'S A COMPLAINT. And to my recollection, the complaints that the officer has received pertain to dogs being off property. And so the citations that I'm familiar with have been issued for dogs being off property. And then with regard to permitting, I imagine that it would be the same process that the town requires for fence permits, but I would have to defer to the community development department and I can work with them on this later.

1:48:45 – 1:49:33Speaker 25

If I may add to that, the cost will be associated with the regulatory structure we wanted to put into place. What type of inspection occurs up front? What kind of periodic review if there is a complaint to what extent are we going out there? We'd also have to look at to what extent animal services would be responding to dog related incidents that are occurs because we typically call them. Lastly, I do want to highlight that I don't believe this fits any of your strategic priorities. So I know that the town attorney mentioned we can get it done by November, but I would raise caution that if there are other priorities that get bumped, that this is not currently a strategic priority. So if it is an item you would like us to consider, it may be a little looser timeline might be beneficial to make sure that other strategic priorities are not impacted.

1:49:37 – 1:50:13Speaker 5

Yeah, so I could just follow up on that. I know, I don't believe it is a strategic priority. Is this an issue that we're hearing about from a lot of residents? Are there other ways that this might be perceived as a priority? Are there a lot of residents who are complaining about the existing fence ordinance or feel that they're being prohibited from implementing this type of a system?

1:50:14 – 1:50:40Speaker 10

My understanding is that a lot of property owners have already implemented electronic fence systems. They just haven't been cited because their dogs haven't been found off the property. And so the request that I'm familiar with is coming from the single resident. But I do think there are other properties that are using the electronic fence system that the town's not aware of.

1:50:44Speaker 24

Vice Mayor Risto.

1:50:46 – 1:52:23Speaker 11

I have two thoughts. One is We've just found an internal inconsistency. We're telling people that live in hillsides that they cannot have a solid six foot fence because it has to be wildlife permeable. And we're also telling them if they have a dog, they have to have a solid six foot fence. So I think right there, that's an issue. I can be, I would say as soon as November in my motion, understanding that other things might cause it to push back. So this isn't a mandate that had come to us. The other thought, the other comment is, people who do have fences have gates and those gates open sometimes. I personally probably in the last six years have come across easily 20 dogs where I'm walking along and there's just a loose dog and I Most of the time can get them to come to me, look at the collar, call the phone number. And sometimes the owner's like, oh, the gardeners must have let him out. I one time had to bring the dog back to that house because no one was there. And if you don't have a leash with you, it's not very fun to walk a mile and a half holding onto a collar. So dogs get out. any system or they can and we don't go around and Expect that every gate is closed when a dog is in there. We're not going to go around I imagine and inspect to make sure every day that electronic fences are working are all of our things are the gas blower issue everything is on a complaint basis and We if we already have 400 properties with electronic fences. I have not seen 400 dogs running through town So they must be working

1:52:25Speaker 25

Yeah, and just a question for the town attorney. We don't prohibit electronic fencing, correct? It's the requirement for the fencing that's the trigger.

1:52:33 – 1:52:55Speaker 10

So we have a section in the animal chapter of our code that says the owners need to control their dog by either a leash or a fence not less than six feet high. And so that's a minimum height for the fences. And so that would preclude the electronic fence system.

1:52:58Speaker 25

Two thoughts. So an electronic fence that the sensor activates within six feet, both in height and distance, wouldn't that qualify as a fence that's of six feet of height?

1:53:11Speaker 10

It says keep such dog confined behind a fence not less than six feet high.

1:53:18 – 1:53:58Speaker 25

So the internal consistency in my mind, and I don't know the exact nature of the citation, but if there was an internal inconsistency in Hillside properties, and we reviewed that case, I would have a problem enforcing a citation against somebody when there's two different codes. When the bottom line, intent is that you must take measures to protect that dog from being outside of your property. And so I don't have a problem with the ordinance. I just want to make sure we're not accelerating its implementation to the detriment of something else. And so if you can get to it by November, great. If there's no other priorities that are impacted, but if it takes a little bit longer, I think that latitude would be beneficial.

1:54:01 – 1:54:30Speaker 24

Okay, great. I have no issues with that. And I'll just add my thoughts that the Vice Mayor articulately said everything that I feel about this. I think this is a very common sense way to approach this issue. I think it's clearly, it clearly is an issue. And I do, as a big animal lover, I think this is actually much, much, you know, more kind to the animals than it is cruel. And so I would be very supportive of this. Yeah, Council Member Hudas.

1:54:31 – 1:55:46Speaker 5

Yeah, I have trouble getting my head around the priority of this relative to the other things that are in front of the town. I think it's a good idea, but if this motion passes, I would only be supportive of implementing this if I really knew what the costs would be to ensure compliance and whether those costs could be covered by permits. not so worried about the cost of developing the ordinance. I'm more concerned about the ongoing burden of this, and while it may make common sense to do it, we are in a very constrained budget environment, and I'm not sure that I've heard evidence that this rises to the level of some of the other things that we're dealing with. So for that reason, I won't be supporting this motion, but I'll be looking for information about what the cost of compliance would be when this comes forward.

1:55:47 – 1:57:00Speaker 25

If I may, I know a while ago we were talking about the cost of fees when we were looking at the fee study. The structure of the regulations and requirements we put into place are a direct correlation to the cost. And so without looking at this a little more with the town attorney, if the fix could be as simple as adding another provision that says an electronic fence shall for the purposes of the section of the six foot fence constitute a six foot fence and that the regulatory structure is just if your dog isn't contained by the electronic fence there really is nothing else for us to inspect if you're in violation and then you're fined And so if you streamline it and make it very simple and easy, there should not be a huge cost for somebody to say, I'm putting it in and there shouldn't be a huge cost to enforce it. We're reactive code enforcement. So if there's a complaint of a dog that gets out, then we enforce with the presumption that if there's not a six foot fence, which is there's some inconsistency in the hillsides that your electronic fence may be your only option, then the presumption is your electronic fence failed and therefore you're in violation. So I think we could design it, if you'd like, very simplistically to reduce the cost on us and the cost on the individual who's putting it in.

1:57:03 – 1:57:14Speaker 5

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me, but I'm looking at something with a proposed ordinance that is quite complex and calls for compliance efforts.

1:57:15 – 1:57:55Speaker 25

know modeled on some other municipalities that are much larger than us and may have you know more resources available than we do if you if the council allows some latitude to staff we could look at a simplistic solution that fits us from a implementation and cost perspective on both the applicant and us Unless you have some specific requirements that you absolutely want to see in an ordinance. That would then increase the compliance cost the cost to the applicant. If it's as simple as allowing this as an option, we can make this very simplistic.

1:57:58 – 1:58:34Speaker 11

I'm in favor of pure simplicity. Essentially, if a dog gets out, whether there's a six-foot fence or an electronic fence, it's a violation and that's a code compliance issue. So I don't really want to get into the details of how the electronic fence has to be installed or what the current is or anything else. I don't know if we want to add an electronic fence with battery backup is, you know, you can think about that when it comes back to us, but I think just, I'm fine with simple and it's already in effect. It's just not compliant or consistent with our present code.

1:58:39 – 1:59:07Speaker 5

Yeah. Question for the town attorney. Are these comments helpful in terms of the work that's in front of you because I'm looking at model ordinance and some very complex things and it sounds like there may be at least a majority of the council that would like to see a much simpler solution. Are you...

1:59:08 – 1:59:21Speaker 10

Yeah, I hear direction that the solution should be as simple as possible. And I think it will be as simple as amending a couple of code sections and then adding some definitions.

1:59:25Speaker 5

That makes me more comfortable. Yes, Council Member Badami.

1:59:30Speaker 4

I'm all in for a simplistic solution and a loose timeline.

1:59:35Speaker 24

Great, with that, I will turn to the town clerk for a roll call vote.

1:59:41 – 2:00:09Speaker 14

And just for clarification, the motion specifically stated November, is that still? early as November but that's not a requirement so maybe maybe we just take the motion was that staff come back in November with an ordinance to change for changes to consider allowing electronic fences in the hillside and also properties that may be in the hillsides that are over an acre

2:00:09 – 2:00:21Speaker 11

Okay, then I will adjust my motion to strike the timeline and just say that staff come back to us and remove the by November. If that's okay with the seconder?

2:00:21Speaker 14

So approved as a seconder.

2:00:24Speaker 14

Okay, great. Thank you. Council Member Rennie?

2:00:29Speaker 14

Council Member Houdis?

2:00:31Speaker 14

Council Member Badami? Aye. Vice Mayor Resto? Aye. Mayor Moore?

2:00:36 – 2:00:49Speaker 24

Aye. Passes unanimously. Okay, we are just one minute shy of 9 p.m., so we'll take a very quick 10-minute break. We will come back at 9.10, and here our last item. Thank you.

2:12:11Speaker 23

All right, good evening.

2:12:12 – 2:12:33Speaker 24

I'm going to reconvene this meeting of the Los Gatos Town Council for our last item tonight, which is item 18, which is to review the request for supplemental sustaining grant funding, allocate the available supplemental funding, and determine whether Cassie should remain a sustaining grant recipient. I'll turn it over to the library director, Ryan Baker.

2:12:33 – 2:14:47Speaker 15

Good evening, council. I'm excited because it's the first time I've started my presentation before 11. So this is great. I've got two things for you tonight as it pertains to sustaining grants. The first is that back in June, in the budget, you put an additional $20,000 in supplemental sustaining grants. And you said, hey, Ryan, could you... Go out to the sustaining grant recipients and ask them what they would do if they had some additional funds. And what they came back with, they had three organizations put four little proposals in, and those are all attached for you. The total dollar amount of those comes to 19,200, which falls under your 20,000 that you allocated for that amount. So the first part is just to determine if you wanna allocate those as such, or if you wanna move in a different direction. And then the second part of that is that we have one of our long time sustaining grant recipients, which is Cassie, Counseling and Support Services for Youth, who's been doing amazing work at Los Gatos High School for years and years and years and years and years. Starting next year, the high school is going to be taking those services internal, so they're restructuring, and so starting in fall, there will not be a contract with CASI any longer at the high school. We would give them $10,000 a year. And so the question that I didn't know, because something like this hasn't really popped up before, is since that was kind of the main reason we were giving this a sustaining grant, should they continue to be sustaining grant recipients? And they do still operate in town at St. Mary's and also in Lehigh High School. So they do still have a presence in town, just not at the high school where they were used to having their main presence. So you just have to make a little determination there. If they still qualify as a sustaining grant recipient, in which case I would just process the $10,000 that's already earmarked there. If you decide that they no longer qualify there, then that $10,000 would just go back to the general fund. Those are the two things I've got. And I have a feeling that you've got a lot of questions for me. I saw some questions in an addendum there. And so I'm available to answer anything you've got.

2:14:49Speaker 24

Great. Questions of Director Baker. Council Member Hudas.

2:14:55 – 2:15:46Speaker 5

Yeah, with regard to the CASI situation, one of the things that I know that you look at is the organization, Sustainable. Do you have any sense about, with the scale back, whether CASI as an entity will be sustainable in existing as a 501c3 and in providing services to St. Mary's and Lee High School? Was it like one-third, one-third, one-third, or was it a smaller effort for them to serve those? In other words, with discontinuing the high school, is the organization really getting very much smaller?

2:15:47 – 2:16:12Speaker 15

Got it. It's a great question. I don't know the answer to that one. I do believe that there are some CASI board members or employees here in the audience, and they may mentally take a note of that for public comment, but I do not know the answer to that one myself. I haven't looked more into that. I didn't actually know that everything was in transition until fairly recently.

2:16:12Speaker 24

Thank you. Vice Mayor Risto.

2:16:17 – 2:16:34Speaker 11

And I just want to highlight a question I asked that I got an answer to, but to make sure everyone knows it, I know Cassie in the past has provided counseling services to Fisher Middle School, but it sounds like, or maybe that'll be for staff. Are they, they did not include that as a school that they cover right now, is it?

2:16:35 – 2:16:57Speaker 15

So in the communication that I have with them, Fisher Middle School didn't get listed. And so I can't verify if they are at Fisher at the moment. That may be another one during public comment. That'd be a pretty big omission on their part. Okay, all right. Yeah, so my apologies there. That one didn't come to light for me.

2:16:57 – 2:17:17Speaker 11

Yeah, no, I'll ask them. Thank you. One more question. Did they request, when they sent the letter, did they still want the $10,000, but they're letting us know that they're not doing the high school anymore?

2:17:18 – 2:18:16Speaker 15

Oh, no, the way it worked out was that when I was starting to do all of the stuff for the sustaining grantees for all the back-end administration was when I learned that they would no longer be at the high school. And at that point, I was confused because we've never really been in a situation where one of our sustaining grantees has... has fallen off the the only other um time something sort of similar has happened was when live oak adult day services uh shuttered their doors completely and that was during the uh during the pandemic um and so obviously There was no grant in that situation. This one's a little different. I just didn't know how to proceed. So I thought it best to take it before council. The money is earmarked in the budget. You've already approved that budget. I just didn't know how we determined if they're still qualified under sustaining grants for that. I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.

2:18:17 – 2:18:28Speaker 24

Great, so I know we have at least one speaker from Cassie, so I'll open up public comment and look to Amy Gibson, who we have in the room, and then I will look to Zoom.

2:18:34 – 2:19:03Speaker 8

Good evening, Mayor Moore and Vice Mayor Risto and members of the council, thank you. My name is Amy Gibson. I am here as a Los Gatos resident, as well as the development manager for CASI. Our interim executive director is participating via Zoom online. And together, we hope we can answer your questions. Yeah. Would you like me to first start with those or to address the things that I came to say?

2:19:05Speaker 24

So you'll have three minutes to speak and then, so please proceed and then we will ask any questions we have.

2:19:11 – 2:21:44Speaker 8

Beautiful, beautiful. We've lived in Los Gatos for about 20 years. My kids attended Los Gatos schools and we were very, very happy to have CASI services at Los Gatos High School when my kids were there. As a former educator, I'm also development manager because I believe in what CASI does. I believe in what we're doing. I believe that all kids deserve access to mental health support right in their schools without barriers and without delays. And so I'm here to respectfully request that you continue to support CASI services for all Los Gatos students, not just those at Los Gatos High School. Yeah. Why the need is really great? It is great. For about the past decade, depression and particularly anxiety have just shot up among young people. Mental health concerns are now the number one reason that young people, children in addition to adolescents, end up in the ER. It's just catastrophic. In high capacity communities like this one, we are seeing tons of anxiety, we're seeing depression, we're seeing academic stress, and all kinds of kids, those that are on the margins, and then those who look like they have it all together. We see a lot of kids who are struggling in silence. And being right on campus is really key. So in one of our local schools, one of the schools we serve right nearby, there was a very quiet student who was just flying under everyone's radar. And a teacher just thought, something seems off, asked our therapist to check in on them. And when they did, thank goodness, it was not just a quiet kid, not just a struggling kid. This kid was in active suicidal crisis, ready to take their life. And so our therapist was there with them for five hours during the crisis process, just providing that safe, comforting presence. And when mom got down to school, she just hugged our therapist. She had no idea. young people sometimes want to hide. So this is why we're on campus. Not very long ago, one of our kids in this community was in a dark, dark place looking for a way out, and now they've been surrounded by a circle of support with ongoing help to find a way through. That is what CASI does. That is what we bring to each school community that we serve. Los Gatos, Lee, Los Gatos Kids at Westmont, and now at St. Mary. And I'm just grateful for the town's support to help keep kids alive.

2:21:45Speaker 24

Thank you. Questions? Yes, Vice Mayor Aristo, and then Council Member Hudus.

2:21:51 – 2:22:51Speaker 11

Thank you. I have some questions that you might not be able to answer, but what I think about is, for example, when... When Cassie was at Los Gatos High School, first of all, our grants are meant to cover activities typically that impact Los Gatos. I mean, it's Los Gatos money for Los Gatos students. And I understand, I know that there are a lot of students that go to Westmont Lee and St. Mary's that live in Los Gatos. I also think about the high school where a significant portion of the students that attended Los Gatos High School are not in Los Gatos. the borders of the town. They're in unincorporated Santa Cruz Mountains, they're in county pockets. So I'm trying to understand like this $10,000, is that in line? Or can you even give me an idea if that's in line with what the costs are at these other schools and how that relates to the percentage of students that are Los Gatos High School students?

2:22:52 – 2:24:19Speaker 8

I will do my best. Crazy mouth, but. Yeah, I will do my best. So the way CASI works is we partner with schools, we have a contract with those schools, and those school contracts never cover the full cost of providing services, even at our most well-resourced districts and schools, like Los Gatos, Saratoga, MVLA, up the peninsula, even those, there's always a funding gap, always. So CASI as a community-based organization has always fundraised from a variety of sources, municipal, big community partners, individuals, corporations, and who am I missing, foundations. We go everywhere asking because the Surgeon General said we need all of us to address the youth mental health crisis. So the question is, we are on campus, and then we serve any kid that comes to us, regardless of where they live. We don't ask them. There aren't precise percentages out there telling you exactly what percentage of students or residents in each town. That's not publicly available information. So you have to kind of extrapolate. You have to look at about 80 to 90% of Los Gatos kids go to Los Gatos High School and the other Los Gatos High School students go to Lee, most of them feel at Westmont. I can't speak to the mountain.

2:24:20 – 2:24:32Speaker 11

Could you also let me know, like this $10,000, how much of a gap does that cover? Like how big is the gap typically and with the other fundraising you do, what does $10,000 mean for that gap?

2:24:35 – 2:25:31Speaker 8

Yeah, it provides a little bit of salary support for each of our therapists. To give you a feel for in the past year, we had an overall fundraising gap of about $400,000 that we received in multiple ways. We do have, to answer your question, we do have strong reserves. Most all of our funding goes to fund people and programs, about 90, 91% somewhere in there. So we run very lean, there's not a lot of overhead. So it sounds like what could $10,000 do? It helps, it adds up. It's my job to go out there and ask and ask and ask, and those $10,000, $10,000, $10,000s add up to our funding gap this year. Last year, through these kinds of grants that you all have generously provided, we raised 99% of our fundraising budget. So it does actively make a difference. Thank you.

2:25:31Speaker 24

Council Member Yudice.

2:25:35 – 2:26:24Speaker 5

Yeah, I mean, I think CASI is a tremendous resource for our community. And I want to thank you and the organization were persisting. I know there's been some challenges. There were some huge challenges, certainly during COVID and different types now. I was just, in the questions I had earlier, really trying to understand what does the transition look like for CASI? Are there therapists, have there been therapists onsite at Fisher, St. Mary's, Lee? And how do those numbers compare to what was at LGHS?

2:26:25 – 2:27:45Speaker 8

Sure, sure. Fisher predates my time at Cassie. That was some time ago. What we find often when we work with school districts is that they love what we do. We partner so well and so closely with them that those that have resources sometimes want to take it in-house. And that's what happened at LGHS. Very collegial relationship, very wonderful transition, zero animosity. So Fisher predates us to give you an idea for numbers. There's been a transition that's been a few years in the making since 2023. We've been writing about it in our grant reports and the various things we're trying to let, you know, this is coming down the pipe. I believe 2 years ago that we served 85 Los Gatos residents. The last year that we were at Los Gatos High School, we served 61 Los Gatos residents. And this past year, where I mentioned to Ryan, we were not at Los Gatos High School for the first time ever, and we still served 27 residents. That is only with the addition of St. Mary at the very last, at the very tail end of the school year. So we expect that to rise. So there's almost half as many kids that are being served at these other schools. Does that give you some?

2:27:46Speaker 5

Yeah, that's terrific. That's very helpful.

2:27:53Speaker 24

No other questions from me. So we'll turn to Executive Director Amy Gloner and any other questions we can ask her. Thank you.

2:28:01Speaker 8

Thank you for your time. Thank you for listening.

2:28:09 – 2:30:25Speaker 2

Good evening, Mayor Moore, Vice Mayor Rislow, and council members. I'm Mary Gloner, and speaking on behalf of CASI, Counseling Support Services for Youth, as its interim executive director. Many of the things that I'm going to be sharing with you in my talking points, Amy has done fabulously well in really sharing that lived experience. But I just want to refresh a little bit on history, where CASI is now, and hopefully our future together. CASI was founded over 16 years ago to partner with local schools to ensure the mental health of its students. When founded, Los Gatos High School was reeling from three student deaths in four months, including a young person who lost her life to suicide. CASI was selected to partner with Los Gatos High School to create an embedded mental health program on campus. As Amy referred, after over a decade and a half of an award-winning partnership, Los Gatos High School gained the capacity, the leadership, resources, and wisdom to institutionalize Cassie's school-based model by providing therapists in-house this past year, not next year, as Director Baker reported. This included hiring Cassie's therapist as a district staff. Superintendent Rocha shared and expressed with me valuing a continued relationship with Cassie for possible future collaboration. While Cassie's no longer at the town's anchor high school, Cassie remains committed to serving its Los Gatos residents by continuing its over-decade partnership at Lee and Westmont High Schools, where the need is great and the budgets are limited. And last March, Cassie began a partnership with St. Mary's School in downtown, serving TK through eighth graders. CASI can proudly say that it has presence across the town of Los Gatos, addressing the mental health priorities of its diverse children from TK through high school. For each child and family CASI serves, including a brief check-in, a training, or specially tailored counseling plan, it can lead to a life-saving intervention. Even one young life lost to suicide is too many. We thank the town of Los Gatos for your longstanding commitment to youth mental health. We are hopeful to continue our valued legacy partnership.

2:30:30Speaker 2

You're welcome.

2:30:33Speaker 24

Questions for Mary?

2:30:37Speaker 24

Seeing none, I will close public comment and turn back to the council.

2:30:51 – 2:31:23Speaker 5

council member hudas. I wanted to ask about the grant for rental housing assistance and I think I sent an email in earlier but really my question is Aren't there really three organizations that are providing rental housing assistance in Los Gatos? And if that's the case, maybe not all through the grant program, but through another means?

2:31:25 – 2:35:37Speaker 15

That is correct. So we've got two organizations that are through the community grant program, Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition and St. Vincent de Paul. The Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition is the lead agency for that. So we had a period where I was doing contracts and agreements with both of them, and they were working very collaboratively. AND SOMETIMES THEY WERE EVEN WORKING WITH THE SAME CLIENT. AND SO I SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE WE COULD JUST, I COULD JUST HAVE THE WORK. I COULD JUST WORK WITH ONE OF THEM AND THEN BEHIND THE SCENES THEY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS THAT THEY WANTED TO WORK TOGETHER AND HOW IT IS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO ALL THAT. BUT I WOULD ONLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE FINANCIAL PIECE WITH THIS ONE ORGANIZATION AND THE REPORTING WITH ONE ORGANIZATION. the way that we came to that was after I pitched that to you back in oh gosh, it was August of 20 2025 about 12 months ago the direction was for me to go ahead and just talk with those two organizations and and then Let's see what we can come up with. And so I did, I talked to both organizations, and what they came up with is, they said, well, let's have Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition be the lead agency for this one, St. Vincent de Paul has a different grant as well, so they have the laundry grant, so they just held onto that as the laundry grant, and they had Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition be sort of the fiscal lead. And then they decided that what they would do is I do all the contracts, agreements, and reports and everything through Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition, and then they collectively work at a level down where they split the money and they do that, but then all the reporting goes back through Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition. So that's where we got there. So that was a collaborative agreement that we came up with that. The other organization is West Valley Community Services. Now they do get, there's two different kind of grants as it were that go to them. One comes through the sustaining grant and that is for the CARES program. The CARES program is the, Oh, it's the Community Assistance Resources and Education Program. And our particular contribution through the sustaining grant for that one goes to one of their service, goes to their operations, one of their service workers. And they do food distribution, case management, referrals, and also emergency rental and utility assistance. But that portion that comes through the community grant program is for the CARES program for a staff member. The other portion that they get does not go through the community grant program. It goes through an agreement that they have with CDD. That was an agreement that was originally entered into in 2011 and it expires in 2030. and that is called the Comprehensive Emergency Assistance Program. And under that one, there may be, as an option, direct rental assistance in the same way that Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition and St. Vincent de Paul are providing, but not necessarily. They also do a whole swath of other things regarding a rental. Rental things as I understand it so utility help other help with rehousing Other kind of problems that Maybe intervention and preventing eviction and whatnot I don't know the full scope of what they do there because that doesn't run through my It doesn't run through me at all. It's that's an agreement. It's a completely separate thing They're reporting It's something that's completely different also so what their requirements are under that program in terms of reporting is Could be very different than what they report In terms of their cares grant. So yes, there's so there's three I Tried to make it one

2:35:40 – 2:36:00Speaker 5

If I could just follow up. I believe your original recommendation was to have one agency provide rental assistance. Having observed this situation that we're in now, would it be more efficient just to have one agency provide rental assistance?

2:36:03 – 2:37:07Speaker 15

So on my end, speaking selfishly, it's less work for me to just produce and process one set of agreements. In terms of the way that these organizations work together very collaboratively, it seems like they figured out a good process. to work on their own at a secondary level and get it figured out. So they've shown that they're able to work together very, very well under this process where essentially at this point through the community grant program I'm just giving one check to one organization and two organizations are figuring it out at the next level down um i will say that when we did have that initial time where we uh where we invited on a competitive basis organizations to apply for that rental assistance bucket of money that west valley community services did not apply at that time so they didn't they didn't put their name in the hat uh for that which is I can't speak to why, but they didn't get in line on that particular one.

2:37:09Speaker 5

But they are already getting money to provide that kind of service under a contract rather than under a grant.

2:37:15 – 2:37:26Speaker 15

Right, yeah, it's just through a different program, through different monies. So it just doesn't follow the same agreement, it doesn't follow the same process, it doesn't follow the same reporting that comes through my office.

2:37:26Speaker 24

Okay, thank you. Council Member Badami?

2:37:30 – 2:38:27Speaker 4

Thank you. When we had this conversation before where we didn't obviously take the recommendation just to have the one organization, and we went to three, I may be quoting Councilmember Ranney, but it seems like we're spreading the peanut butter across all these different other organizations. And then you mentioned this second level of agreements where parties might split the money a certain way, and I'm just... I mean, I'm looking back to a council motion that was made back in 2024 where we specifically said an equal split of 12,500 of 25,000 between St. Vincent de Paul and Los Gatos Anti-Racist Coalition. So did both organizations receive the exact split amount or did they take it amongst themselves to maybe not do exactly what council made in their motion as being binding?

2:38:28 – 2:39:34Speaker 15

So in the year that you're referring to, that's exactly what happened. We took the $25,000 and we split it to $1,200, $1,500, $1,200, $1,500. Each of them got the exact same amount. I had two sets of contracts, two sets of agreements, two sets of reporting, all of this. The following year is in 2025 is when it dropped from $25,000 to $20,000. And that was the year where I said, you know what? Really, I don't like having two organizations. Can you pick one? And so it was at that point. So yes, it did get split per council's direction in 2024. And then in 2025 per council's new direction, Per direction of council, I talked to both of the organizations, and then they figured out the allocation. And the allocation they figured out was that they're just going to have one as Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition being sort of the fiduciary of it. And then they would work together. But I wouldn't have to do two sets of reporting.

2:39:36 – 2:39:47Speaker 4

Okay, with that, I just need clarification on the definition of rental assistance. Does it include storage unit rent, security deposits, and hotel stays?

2:39:49 – 2:40:18Speaker 15

So what you currently have does not include that. What is being proposed in the supplemental one would be in addition to, or rather an expansion of what, you know what, I don't need to look at that, would be an expansion of what they're already doing. At the current moment, everything that they put into their applications and all the paperwork is just direct rental assistance. It doesn't have these other parts. So this would be an expansion.

2:40:22Speaker 5

Council Member Hudes. Yeah, with regard to the grants that have been awarded, have all the funds been expended?

2:40:32 – 2:41:15Speaker 15

So in the first year in which the Los Canos Anti-Racism Coalition received a grant, and at that time it was a competitive grant, just a flat-out competitive grant, they did not expend the entire amount, and they did return the unused funds to the penny. So they accounted for everything that they spent, and they accounted for everything they didn't spend, and they refunded it to us. That's probably one of the only times I've actually had any organization tell me what they didn't spend and give it back. So in the following years, which would be the last two years, they've accounted for all of their spending, and those grants have been spent out. Okay.

2:41:18 – 2:42:01Speaker 24

Just to add a little bit of flavor here, which is just that from my understanding of these two organizations, Anti-Racism Coalition and St. Vincent DePaul Society, an important aspect of why both of them exist to give out funding is that they are 100% volunteer run. And so there's a massive capacity issue when it comes to actually expending the funding. And so I think that's why the two, from my understanding, that's why the two organizations like both being there. So if someone is not available on a Sunday at 10 p.m. in one organization and they are at another, then they can work together to allocate funding in a quick manner. Yes, Council Member Badami and then Vice Mayor Risto.

2:42:03 – 2:42:20Speaker 4

I want to understand the accounting that you were referring to. You said both organizations provide accounting for the money that was spent. Are there records as to who received the funds and how much they got and is it going towards Los Gatos residents?

2:42:21 – 2:44:04Speaker 15

Yes, so for all of the community grants, every recipient, we have not in the past asked for them to, part of the contract was we want you to save all your invoices, save all your receipts, save all your transactions, but we'll call on you if we want to get them uh about a couple months ago uh we called on them and we said everybody we want all your receipts right now so now i'm getting or 99 grants worth of organizations and giving me all kinds of receipts and invoices uh los carlos anti-racism coalitions uh reporting is is a good example of reporting it's it's probably what i'm going to use as a template for the other organizations of what we would like to see um i can kind of tell you uh it's the They have, they've given me line by line expenditures with all the grant funds used. They've, the disclosures, they've given me copies of canceled checks, they've given me um the approximate locations in order to protect the actual identity of the the person involved so they didn't give an actual street address um if we would like to look at that on the back end they said they would provide that to us on the back end but in terms of public record um of for what they've reported here they just put the approximate Everything is in Los Gatos for the money that we have given them. They gave the circumstances and then they gave an indication of whether it was paid directly to the applicant or if it was paid to the landlord or to the property management. So I've got canceled checks. I've got payments sent. Yeah, their accounting is pretty good.

2:44:06 – 2:44:24Speaker 4

Okay, thank you. I'm just gathering this information because I understand that West Valley Community Services already executes a rental assistant program and that for fiscal year 2026 totals $35,000. So again, my number is correct. You're looking at me funny.

2:44:24 – 2:45:41Speaker 15

I'm not sure. We give them $15,000 per year. And again, I don't... I know that it may include this direct rental assistance, but their program in general would be more of an expanded version, I guess. So they do like helping with utility shut off, other sort of maybe helping to negotiate or mediate with possible eviction, those types of things. So whereas these, Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition working with St. Vincent de Paul is just the direct rental assistance, which is, I lost my job, I'm a single mom, I've gotten a notice of eviction, while I'm looking for another job, I need to cover the rent. whereas West Valley Community Services is more of an expanded thing. Part of that money, 15,000, may be that direct rental assistance, but not necessarily all of it. And again, I don't see their reporting or paperwork because for that particular program, because it doesn't pass, it's not part of the community grant program. So I don't know what those reports look like.

2:45:43Speaker 11

Okay, thank you.

2:45:44Speaker 24

Yeah. Vice Mayor Risto.

2:45:48 – 2:46:24Speaker 11

Oh, I think I forgot what I was going to say. I've gotten so wrapped up in this. There was a letter submitted where there was some concern. And I remember when there was the discussion of granting the money to Los Cabos Anti-Racism Coalition, and they would divide it with St. Vincent de Paul's. So that's not a concern for me, because I think when I was part of that, voting for that, that fulfilled what I intended anyway. In terms of the conditions that we set with the dispersion of the dollar amount, do you believe that was fulfilled by those organizations?

2:46:26Speaker 15

Everything that's been reported to me looks like it's fulfilled those obligations, yes.

2:46:30 – 2:46:47Speaker 11

Okay. And then there was another comment about how they approached rental assistance, and I was going to ask, and I emailed you this, did all groups comply with the requirements of the grant conditions? And it sounds like Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition was exemplary in terms of...

2:46:48 – 2:47:04Speaker 15

Yes, so everybody is complied, but again, for West Valley Community Services, I can't speak to it because it goes through a separate process, so I can't actually verify what theirs looks like, right? Okay. I mean, it would be nice if it was all one process.

2:47:04Speaker 11

I know, because it's hard to compare, but they're different services. I don't have any other questions right now.

2:47:11 – 2:49:47Speaker 24

Great, thank you. So just some feedback I'll provide in trying to get us back to the, we have a few questions we need to answer this evening. So, but just at a high level, one thing I'll say is that one thing that I really like about the community grant program is that these are sort of block, grant-style grants that are minimally onerous because they're really, really small dollar amounts. I know lots, you know, having worked in the nonprofit sector for a long time, there are lots of grants that my organization, when I was working in a nonprofit, would not apply for because the reporting requirements were so intense that they would not be worth it to apply. The staff time would take just as much work as you're getting out of the grant. And so especially when we're talking about less than $10,000, which we do a variety of grants in that size, I think it's really important that we are not overly onerous. I think receipts and standard accounting is totally reasonable, but I am not interested at all in going through an auditing a bunch of small nonprofits that serve the Los Gatos community. I think that is totally antithetical to the purpose of this. And so, yeah, I have no interest in that. Getting to the questions in front of us about the sustaining grants. So I think it's excellent that we came in just under the $20,000 we allocated to go to the sustaining grants that requested. So I think we should definitely proceed with allocating the $19,200. Regarding CASI, I think that's, you know, it's not easy because I think, you know, the intention of this grant was for these services at Los Gatos High School. However, being a proudly high school alumni, go Longhorns. I grew up in Los Gatos, lived in Los Gatos. About a third of people that I went to school with at Lee High School lived in Los Gatos. And so I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that money going to CASI to serve Lee High School students as well as St. Mary's and Westmont students is a reasonable use of this money. And so those are my thoughts. But again, I do not have any interest in going back and auditing or changing anything else that the council has done with other grant recipients. Thanks, Mayor Risto.

2:49:47 – 2:50:52Speaker 11

Thank you. Going back to the question of Cassie, you know, I had a few thoughts and, you know, as I explained before, just because the money was going to Los Gatos High School didn't mean it was exclusively going to town residents. It was super helpful to get the numbers from Amy where she talked about how many Los Gatos residents were served. So... I have kind of split thought. I mean, my first thought is I don't want to cut this off because there are Los Gatos residents. Yeah, I don't want to cancel this. There are Los Gatos residents being served. It's approximately 50%. And so I would love to hear from fellow council members whether we continue at 10,000 or we move it to 5,000 based on that approximation. And then maybe next year when we hear If it's gone up or what the service level is, but if we're serving half as many residents, maybe the grant should be half as enough. Maybe it's really barely covering it and it's important to keep the grant at the same level. But that's where I'm kind of going that. Yes. But full or half, I don't know.

2:50:58 – 2:51:30Speaker 24

Yeah, sure. I'll just chime in and say that I'd be open to either. And I think if we didn't end up giving all of the money to. Cassie and the sustaining grants program, I would be interested in allocating whatever is left over back to the community grants program because we have a lot of, you know, I think there's a lot of deserving folks in the community. And that program is, there's always more people, I don't know, are there more folks applying to the community grant program this year than we can allocate funding to?

2:51:31 – 2:52:24Speaker 15

For the competitive grants, yes, there were 22 applications, seven will receive the full grant and one will receive a partial grant because that's where the money ran out. Got it. So yes, there is always more applications than there are funds, but that's what makes it competitive, so there we go. If I just want to super chime in there, you did say something about maybe putting in a number in now in terms of CASI and then maybe looking at it again next year. And by all means, you can do that. Selfishly, I kind of like it when you just set a number and I can just put it in the budget every single year without having to do reanalysis. And I mean, I don't currently do reanalysis of all the other sustaining grants at the moment. And again, I could, but I kind of like it when you just put a number in and we just ride with it.

2:52:25 – 2:52:46Speaker 11

Okay, that makes sense. I do have... It's not even late, and I'm forgetting what I wanted to say. What were you talking about before the cast? Oh, the sustaining grants. You said seven were fully funded and one was partially funded? Sorry, for the competitive grants? Competitive, I'm sorry.

2:52:46Speaker 15

Competitive, seven will be fully funded, one will be partially funded, and the announcement of who those will be will go out tomorrow. So I'm going to refrain from a spoiler alert.

2:52:55Speaker 11

What's the delta on the partial funding? What would it take to bring that to full funding?

2:53:01Speaker 15

It's seven-eighths of the way fully funded.

2:53:06 – 2:53:34Speaker 11

Oh, okay. So, I mean, just to- Three-quarters, seven-eighths, somewhere in there. Follow on the mayor's comments. I'm not necessarily ready to just take all of whatever money we're not going to expend in the sustaining grants and send them over to competitive, I would be more of a mind to fully fund that seventh grant that apparently was quite worthy, but not fully funded, and move the rest of the money to the general fund. So, different thought.

2:53:35Speaker 24

Or just keep the 10,000 at Cassie, right? That'd be the other option.

2:53:39Speaker 11

Right, but we still have extra money, right? Because we came out to 19,200. We put 20,000. Oh, yeah. Yeah, what does that do to the math? You allocated 20,000 in supplemental sustaining grants. There's 800 that is unclaimed.

2:53:49Speaker 15

If that 800, if I can continue, if that 800 got moved to Cassie,

2:54:01Speaker 11

THE COMPETITIVE, WOULD THAT ALLOW THAT SEVENTH GRANT TO BE FULLY FUNDED?

2:54:07Speaker 15

IT WOULD BE REALLY CLOSE. I THINK THEY WOULD BE HAPPY. THAT MIGHT BE AN ANSWER, TOO.

2:54:19 – 2:54:44Speaker 5

Yeah, a bit along a different line. So we have a letter from a member of the Finance Commission and it states that the Finance Commission is going to discuss this at their August 10th meeting. Has that been agendized and is that along the lines of what's in this letter?

2:54:46 – 2:55:06Speaker 25

It will be agendized. The agenda has not been issued for that meeting. And it will be, as the ordinance allows the chair to set the agenda for the meeting, will be along the lines of allowing that conversation. We're still awaiting for a complete set of documents that would be made as attachments that are coming from a member of the commission.

2:55:08 – 2:56:11Speaker 5

So I guess what I'm thinking about is that We have a finance commission that's raised some questions and is going to be addressing them at their next meeting in a few days. And I think it might make sense to allow that to happen and then have the benefit of that advice from the Finance Commission when we look at this package. Is there a requirement that we vote on this tonight or will something fall apart with the grants or with services if we were to change the sequence and allow the Finance Commission to take a look at the financial controls and other things that are serious questions that have been raised?

2:56:12 – 2:57:24Speaker 15

Yes, so in terms of the sustaining grants, so this is just the supplemental portion, so if you didn't vote on the supplemental portion, it wouldn't hold up the other sustaining grants, it wouldn't hold up the competitive grants. Those are, in the queue you've already approved those, those are processing, rather you've approved the budget amounts. And so those will be processed either way. So the only thing that would hold back here would just be that supplemental 20,000 that you put aside. I could also give a different suggestion that with what was proposed here, it doesn't have to be one package. If you were concerned about the rental assistance portion, there are two asks that are non-rental assistance. And so you could split this up and make a decision on those two and then just put the rental assistance ones aside. The advantage with that would be is that I'm currently processing agreements and I could just add the extra amount into those agreements now rather than having to go back and do an amendment to the agreements later. So selfishly it's a little bit less paperwork if you've made a little bit of a decision now even if it's not the full decision. So that could be another different way you could do things too.

2:57:25 – 2:59:41Speaker 5

Yeah, and look, I'm a big fan of the community grant program. I think that Los Gatos is a leader in implementing this. I think it allows really direct connection with the needs of our town, and it prevents the one-off requests coming to the council. So I think it's a really good program. I have had reservations about some elements of the grants where essentially where money would be going to individuals pretty directly. And one of those was the hotel program, which was not part of the community grants, but again, a similar nature. And I didn't, I was very uncomfortable with cash or vouchers directly going to individuals. And we've avoided that situation by having the police department, as I understand, make the payments to the hotels. So that's an entity of the town that's actually involved in that. The other one is rental assistance. And so rental assistance involves individuals not receiving counseling, but receiving a cash equivalent in someone paying their rent. And so I think that we need to be very careful careful and make sure that money isn't going to people's friends or family or things like that. And so I do think it's worth the Finance Commission having a look at the controls here. And I'm not in favor of eliminating these grants, but I do think that it would make sense to have the Finance Commission take a look at the process and the controls that are in place regarding the way these grants are being awarded to individuals. Council Member Rennie?

2:59:43 – 3:00:57Speaker 6

Thank you mayor. Um, so listening to all the discussion, um, I, I'll put a, there's no motion on the table, correct? None. So I'll, I'll put a proposed motion on the table, um, just to see where it goes. Um, so before saying that, I would, I'm. Not sure I'm very supportive of the expansion that the Los Gatos anti racism coalition is suggesting to other items other than rental assistance. And it sounds like Cassie still doing work in Los Gatos, but maybe less. So, with those, I would make a motion that we go ahead with what's suggested in here for. um the towel and laundry vouchers saint vincent's depaul rental assistance and the live oak nutrition center and that we cut cassie's funding to five thousand from ten thousand and since the competitive grants have already been done rather than mess up the work with five thousand just send that back to our general fund that would be my motion

3:01:11Speaker 24

Vice Mayor Risto.

3:01:13 – 3:01:26Speaker 11

I probably will second this. I have a question for Council Member Rennie. When you were talking about the expansion of Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition, are you then saying that in that chart where they're asking for an additional $3,000 to take that out?

3:01:30 – 3:02:04Speaker 6

That, correct. So keep it at 20? For their 3,000, they've now added additional, you know, it sort of almost seems like scope creep. I mean, we wanted something very simple, which was rental assistance, and now it's become, you know, storage unit rental, security deposits, on and on and on. And if there's any question at all about Controls this where I think we're getting into too many things that will make control even harder.

3:02:05 – 3:02:23Speaker 11

So For that reason I would not grant the three thousand to them based on this scope creep Okay, I can support that I have another question when you say that it should all go back to the general fund Did you want to flip any to competitive to make that seventh grant? full or not

3:02:25 – 3:02:39Speaker 6

I CAN GO EITHER WAY ON THAT. I JUST THOUGHT THAT THE I'M FLEXIBLE. IF YOU WISH ME TO CHANGE THE MOTION TO SEND THE EXTRA 5,000 BACK TO COMPETITIVE, THAT'S FINE.

3:02:39Speaker 11

IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE 5,000. I THINK IT'S HUNDREDS. I'M NOT SURE.

3:02:43Speaker 24

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 1,000. I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED TO DECIDE. YOU CAN JUST SAY WHATEVER.

3:02:47 – 3:03:12Speaker 11

OKAY. SO THEN THAT WOULD SORT OF BE A Los Gatos anti-racism gets twenty thousand dollars to divide and that all of the extra money goes back to the general fund except for what it would take to make the seventh competitive grant whole is what I think I'm seconding.

3:03:15 – 3:04:13Speaker 6

So the first column I assume was already a done decision, and then it was about additional money and in that one case, additional scope. So you mentioned that the 20,000 Anti-Racism Coalition, it's going to be what they already were approved for, all three of them, and then The new approval is I mentioned the four line items of the towel and laundry vouchers, St. Vincent's DePaul, or I guess it's three line items and Live Oak Nutrition, and then change CASI to 5,000 and send all the extra back to competitive grants. That would be the motion.

3:04:16Speaker 11

Okay, I'll second that.

3:04:19 – 3:04:50Speaker 24

Did staff looks like they have some so I got lost. Yeah, so I think the motion as I understand it or maybe The clerk wants to try but it's approve everything except Los Gatos and to approve everything in sustaining except anti-racism collection extra 3,000 and Have Cassie's money to 5,000 send all of that back to the general fund except whatever portion is required to fulfill the partial remaining last competitive grant.

3:04:53Speaker 6

Does that make sense? That's not exactly what I said, but if that's a request for amendment, I'm willing to do that if the seconders- Sure, sure.

3:05:01Speaker 24

I'm requesting an amendment. Is the seconder okay with that?

3:05:07Speaker 11

Seconder is okay with that.

3:05:08Speaker 24

Okay. To the town manager.

3:05:11 – 3:06:14Speaker 25

Again, it is the council's call how you want to divvy up the money, but I just want to remind us during the budget discussion, the council increased the sustaining grants by 20,000 for us to come. I'm sorry for us to come back. which is what we did today you also increased the competitive grants by thirty thousand dollars under the premise that we were increasing the total dollar values to be more meaningful and to make it easier to administer with fewer grants and so you in essence increased by almost 50 percent the competitive grants and so i understand that you try to you're trying to make whole where you normally stayed out of the discussions of the competitive grant programs and allowed the commissioners that were in the selection process to make that decision. And so I just want to remind you of that. So if you do take a course of action that says, take an action to do something with a specific competitive grantee, it is different than what you've done in the past. Yeah, Vice Mayor Rossell.

3:06:14 – 3:06:35Speaker 11

Based on the fact that we have this grant system that we have handed over that's not supposed to be happening at the dais, and now I've gone in and started myself into it, I will actually not accept the amendment. I think the extra money just goes back to the general fund. Thank you for the reminder that the competitive grants were increased quite a bit.

3:06:35 – 3:07:06Speaker 25

So to reiterate then what, to Rob Rennie in the seconder, the motion was to accept the recommendations of staff with regards to the 19,200 Minus the $3,000 for the anti-racism coalition to reduce the allocation for Cassie from 10,000 to 5,000 and for any remaining unallocated funding from both sustaining and competitive that money is to be returned to the general fund.

3:07:09Speaker 6

That that was my original motion.

3:07:12Speaker 11

Okay, then I'll go back to my original 2nd.

3:07:16Speaker 24

Council member.

3:07:18 – 3:08:11Speaker 5

Yeah, just a question. When the council took action to increase the sustaining grants, did the the uh the council did not specify the split for rental assistance between the two organizations is that correct it did not when the count and and when the council approved the budget with the original sustaining grant amounts um did it consider the split between the two organizations the discretion was left to staff And so is it staff's recommendation that St. Vincent de Paul receive 2,500 and Racism Coalition received 20,000?

3:08:21 – 3:09:11Speaker 15

So you've already slated the $20,000. $20,000 is just part of the regular process. It's not part of these supplemental funds. We've already got it figured out, and it's in process for how those two organizations are working together. So Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition will be getting the one check, one organization, one thing. With this supplemental piece, that means that there will be a second set of contracts and a second set of agreements going to St. Vincent de Paul, which in a way kind of defeats what I was going for, but that's okay. It's the way it played out in the way that things were set up, so we'll just roll with that. So yes, that $20,000 is already in process, as it were, so I can't really change that ball that's rolling. This is additional too, so this will be a separate contract with St. Vincent de Paul for that supplemental amount, which will be rental assistance.

3:09:11Speaker 5

So if I could just ask my question again.

3:09:14 – 3:09:25Speaker 5

Was it a council action to make that split of $2,500 and $20,000 for rental assistance?

3:09:25Speaker 24

$2,500 is for towel and other laundry vouchers.

3:09:28Speaker 5

I see. I'm sorry. So there is no money for rental assistance going to St. Vincent de Paul. Is that correct?

3:09:37Speaker 24

Now there will be $5,000.

3:09:42Speaker 5

No, I'm talking about the original budget.

3:09:45 – 3:10:09Speaker 15

Oh, sorry. At the original 20,000, St. Vincent de Paul was not getting a check that had their name on it. So this will be a check that will now be, the supplemental fund will now be a check with St. Vincent de Paul's name on it coming from us for rental assistance, making the... OFFICIALLY MAKING ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT GETS A CHECK FOR US.

3:10:09 – 3:10:29Speaker 25

LET ME REFRAME WHAT YOU'RE ASKING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD. YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL FOR HOW THE $20,000 WAS TO BE ALLOCATED FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE? SO, DIRECTOR, WHAT IS THE CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WE'RE ENTERING FOR 20,000? YOUR ANSWER IS WE'RE ENTERING INTO ONE CONTRACT FOR 20,000 WITH THE ANTI-RACISM COALITION.

3:10:30Speaker 15

THAT IS CORRECT. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

3:10:32Speaker 25

And the supplemental question to that would be, was there direction from council this year to split that 20,000 amongst those two groups?

3:10:44 – 3:10:57Speaker 15

THERE WAS NOT A DIRECT, THE COUNCIL DID NOT DIRECT A DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE DIRECTION IN AUGUST OF 2025 WAS THAT I TALKED TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS PARTNERS.

3:10:57 – 3:11:11Speaker 5

SO AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, DOES THE SUSTAINING GRANT PROGRAM ALLOW FOR SUBCONTRACTING OF MONIES RECEIVED? MAY ONE ORGANIZATION PASS THOSE MONIES ON TO ANOTHER?

3:11:12 – 3:12:39Speaker 15

so uh the way that i interpreted everything with with council before is that these organizations were going to in august of 2025 is that these organizations were going to work together and we wanted to get to a point where we were working with just one i was doing contracts with one um so I FEEL THAT WE ARE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT I THOUGHT WAS OK. I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO HAVE FINANCE COMMISSION TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DECIDE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. I ALSO HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF AT THE MOMENT THERE'S NO OTHER There's nothing really in place for other organizations, any grantee, to say that, well, part of our grant is going to require the services of a different organization. Part of our grant is going to be hiring somebody else to do something. Part of our grant is going to be getting some additional help or whatnot. And so I think I've got some good examples of other organizations that pay out money to other organizations, as long as all the paperwork comes back and I can account for the money at the end of the day, which Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition has been doing, that's where I'm at. But I'm perfectly happy to have Finance Commission come up with a different set of criteria for looking at that, and I will be happy moving into the future, but the train's kind of moving on this year's one.

3:12:39 – 3:13:33Speaker 25

Let me intervene here. On August 19th of 2025, a motion was made by Vice Mayor Moore to set our sustaining grants, I'm just reading this from the minutes, for 23,000 for Live Oak Nutrition, 2,500 to St. Vincent DePaul for laundry program, $20,000 to West Valley Community Services for human services support, $20,000 for rental assistance for staff to work with St. Vincent de Paul and the Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition to fairly appropriate, and then the rest. There was no direction to say, for council to direct what that split is. And so when it sounds like the conversations between the library and the two organizations led to having one organization to administer that grant, which was the Anti-Racism Coalition, and for them to work with St. Vincent de Paul.

3:13:36 – 3:13:49Speaker 5

Okay, so question I have is, does the agreement allow an entity to delegate part of the project to another organization?

3:13:51 – 3:14:37Speaker 10

So I can speak to that. Because I did review the public comment and review the contract. And the contract says that the grantee agrees to perform the scope of services that are described in their proposal. And the proposal is attached as an exhibit to the agreement. And the proposal said upon receiving 20,000 in grant funds, the anti-racism coalition plans to allocate 10,000 to St. Vincent de Paul. as soon as possible to run its own independent rental assistance program. And so because the proposal is attached as a scope of services to the agreement, the arrangement does comport with the grant agreement.

3:14:41 – 3:15:10Speaker 5

Okay, I think I'm in the weeds on this. I'm gonna offer a substitute motion, and that is to take the existing motion under advisement and to continue this item to the next council meeting following the Finance Commission's review of the Community Grant Program. Council Member Badami?

3:15:11 – 3:15:35Speaker 4

I'm not comfortable wheeling and dealing on the day as at 10 PM. So I'm going to second that motion. I think this needs to be reviewed by our finance commission. That's why we have a finance commission. And I think this is just getting out of hand. And I actually quite frankly just prefer that one organization takes care of our rental assistance just to streamline the operation. And that was staff's original recommendation to begin with.

3:15:38 – 3:16:04Speaker 25

I know there's a substitute motion. The one ask I would ask for the substitute motion, part of the reason this item isn't coming at the second meeting in August, which would have then come after the finance commission is the significant number of agenda items that will take us late into the evening. So if we add that to that meeting that we, it'd be really challenging to get to all of them. So if you are amenable to amending it to the first meeting in September, that would work too.

3:16:06Speaker 5

I would enthusiastically adopt that suggestion.

3:16:12 – 3:16:38Speaker 15

I do want to say that just in terms of processing, tabling the entire item, there's still the CASI, which I feel could be divided from your current discussion and hopefully you could make a decision on that at least so I could process or not as according. And then once again, you do have some other asks that have nothing to do with rental assistance. So just for consideration, so.

3:16:39 – 3:17:19Speaker 24

I'll just chime in that I am not comfortable with the substitute motion and I would support the original motion. While I appreciate the interest of the Finance Commission in developing greater controls on our non the money we provide to community based nonprofits uh... i am much more interested in during this money gets out to these nonprofits to do important work in the community in a timely fashion and so i would not support the the substitute motion thank you uh... for similar reasons i will be supporting it it feels like this is delving more into policy actually than finance and

3:17:21 – 3:18:30Speaker 11

The other thing is to address the question of two organizations versus one. I am familiar with the work both organizations do and they have different reaches within our community and so people that are in need of rental assistance may show up at St. Mary's Church asking for it and they get referred to St. Vincent de Paul. The Anti-Racism Coalition has other touch places in the community and so I feel like these two organizations that are 100% volunteer are the most effective use of our money and have the broadest reach. They do know that the stipulation is it only goes to residents that live in the town. The fact that Director Baker, you brought up the very careful accounting with photocopies of canceled checks and how the money is going makes me feel like for this amount of money that is the right amount of levers. I do not want to impose a lot of other onerous overhead on a process where it feels like we can trace the money. So for that reason, I will not be supporting that motion.

3:18:32Speaker 24

Council Member Badami.

3:18:33 – 3:19:13Speaker 4

Yeah, I just want to make a comment that the purview of the Finance Commission, it's certainly within their charter. It makes sense to me. I mean, we are stewards of the town's money, our residents' money, and there's hundreds of thousands of dollars that we have spent on grants, and we've got budget issues. We have budget issues going forward, and I think that the Finance Commission should review this. I don't necessarily see this as policy over finance. I see it as politics. as to personal preference as to where a council member might want the money to go. And I would rather take that off our plate and take politics out of it.

3:19:17 – 3:21:00Speaker 5

Council Member Hudes. Yeah, just another comment. And again, I'm very supportive of the grant program, the sustaining grants and the competitive grants. And I think it serves our community. Well, we have a finance commission. Finance commission has never looked at this. And I think that they're scheduled to take a look at it shortly. For me, it's just prudent to allow them to take a look at this. That doesn't mean that they are necessarily going to suggest onerous controls. In fact, two of us will be at that meeting and are able to make comments at that meeting as well. But, you know, we created a finance commission to look at our financial processes and they've asked to do that and they've been scheduled to do that. And, you know, I frankly don't see why we're in a, you know, ready fire aim mode on this. It would be, I think, much easier much better to have the benefit of the review and the deliberation of the Finance Commission, even if it takes us another three weeks to get there. We've already allocated money, so I don't think what we're really talking about is drying up any organization at this point in our budget year, I don't think. So I just think it's important for us to be good stewards of the town's residents' money.

3:21:03 – 3:21:42Speaker 15

If I may, and you don't have to go this direction, but if you could split off the CASI piece from the supplemental funds piece, I would at least know if I'm processing for CASI and they're kind of waiting over there and I'm sure they'd love to, Get an answer on that one. So I know that your current motion kind of combines everything together But there's no reason why you couldn't have a motion that just addresses one and takes one thing off of the plate At the moment and then looks at this is the supplemental sustaining as a separate thing at a time to be Come back to you after Finance Commission has had ample time to look at it and come up with a new plan Just a suggestion

3:21:42 – 3:22:01Speaker 24

Appreciate the suggestion. I think there's a motion on the table. I think we can take a vote on that motion. And then if that motion does not pass, right, there's an original motion that does address the Cassie piece. So can we take a roll call vote on the substitute motion, which is to table this or to continue it until September?

3:22:04Speaker 14

Council Member, any? No. Council Member Hoodis?

3:22:09Speaker 14

Council Member Badami? Aye. Vice Mayor Risto? No. Mayor Moore?

3:22:14Speaker 24

No. Rennie's got cut off just a little bit, just to be clear. That was a no. Council Member Rennie?

3:22:22Speaker 24

Okay, so we now have the original motion on the table. Do folks have questions or comments on that motion before we vote?

3:22:33Speaker 15

Can you remind me what that motion was?

3:22:34Speaker 24

Yes, it was the very original one. It's, I think we.

3:22:40 – 3:22:58Speaker 10

Here, I can summarize. Yeah, thank you, thank you, Chair and Attorney. Okay, so it was, it was to adopt the supplemental requests for everybody except for the Los Gatos Anti-Racism Coalition.

3:23:05 – 3:23:19Speaker 6

I can repeat it. So it's as you said, it's for all the items on the supplemental except anti racism coalition to cut Cassie to 5,000 and return all the money to the general fund.

3:23:25Speaker 24

Seeing is that clear to staff? Great council member.

3:23:32 – 3:24:36Speaker 5

Yeah, I won't be supporting the motion because I think we would be in better position to evaluate that. I have concerns, two areas of concern. One is the fact that we actually have three organizations providing rental assistance two through the grant program and one through a contract. And I'm not sure that that is wise use of our resources and funds. And the second reason is that I think there have been substantial issues raised in the letter about the way that community grant program has been raised, that issues have been raised about that. And I think it would make more sense to consider that afterwards. So I am not able to support this motion now.

3:24:38Speaker 24

Council Member Badami.

3:24:40 – 3:25:08Speaker 4

I won't be supporting the motion either. And I would just like to state that each of us council members appoint our own individual finance commissioner. We choose them, we evaluate them, and we select one to serve us individually. It just behooves us as council members to evaluate their input from their own individual appointed commissioners. It makes me sad, actually.

3:25:13 – 3:25:41Speaker 24

And I would just chime in that the crux of the letter is that too many, this is the second sentence, too many questions about the rental assistance program remain unanswered. I disagree with that and this is coming from one finance commissioner and so I'm perfectly comfortable to have the council as the decision-making body for the town of Los Gatos allocate money within our purview. With no other comments, can we have a roll call vote please?

3:25:42Speaker 14

Council Member Rennie?

3:25:44Speaker 14

Council Member Houdis?

3:25:47Speaker 14

Council Member Badami? No. Vice Mayor Risto? Aye. Mayor Moore?

3:25:52Speaker 24

Aye. Motion passes three to two. And I'll turn to the town manager.

3:25:56 – 3:27:14Speaker 25

No, thank you, because I know we're talking about the Finance Commission, which provides an extremely valuable role to the town. I just want to highlight, since we're discussing the finance commission's review and what they're going to be doing at August 10th, the chair of the commission and staff received a request from one commissioner to agendize a discussion of the community grant program on a variety of different factors. And it was accepted by the commission chair under the authority vested in the ordinance that the chair sets the agenda for the meeting. While the chair sets the agenda for the meeting, they cannot unilaterally take an action that directs the work of staff substantially. We'll provide reasonable assistance, so we'll agendize the documents they're asking for, we'll agendize the item, but they will still have to act to make a recommendation to the council to amend their work plan, to add a review of the community grant program, and you would still need to act to approve that as part of their work plan to allow staff to expend the time on that project. And so the commission can have very robust conversations, but when they turn, and I believe they will, for additional assistance from staff, legal interpretations, that may necessitate you to act to add that to the work plan. Thank you for that clarification.

3:27:15 – 3:27:35Speaker 24

Okay, that brings us to the end of our agenda items. Thank you very much, Director Baker, for all of the input. And we will now go to Council Matters, and I'll start with Council Member Rennie, as he is the biggest.

3:27:35 – 3:28:25Speaker 6

Thank you, Mayor. Since our last council meeting, the Silicon Valley Clean Energy Risk Oversight Committee met twice on June 24th and July 22nd. Um, that's confidential meeting nothing to report from it. Um, I also got, I guess, on July 8th, an update, um, on the El Camino hospital, um, redevelopment that's going on. I think the other council members have been getting those. So I won't add anything there. I also met with, um. a person who has applied in the past for finance commission. My finance commissioner is moving out of town and I believe next council meeting, I will be appointing a council member or a finance commission member. That's it for me.

3:28:27Speaker 24

Thank you. I'll look to council member Badami.

3:28:30 – 3:28:44Speaker 4

Thank you. I enjoyed time off during the summer, so I don't have a whole lot to report. On July 1st, I participated in the 75th anniversary of Savaca with the unveiling of a special plaque. I've also met with residents concerning pending development in town.

3:28:46Speaker 24

Vice Mayor Risto.

3:28:48 – 3:32:57Speaker 11

Thank you, since our last meeting, on the 18th of June, I actually attended the ABAG General Assembly meeting up in San Francisco, and a lot of discussion was about what was difficult about cycle six, which we are now heading toward the end of the third year of the eight-year RHNA cycle, where our allocation was 1,993 housing units, we are more than a third of the way through, we've approved fewer than a third the number of homes, and only two of them have broken ground. So I don't think we're gonna reach our number by 2031. But hold on to your hats because the cycle seven numbers are likely to be even higher for everybody. So we'll have our work cut out for us. We should have more time to submit early. We're supposed to get our numbers I think three years before or general idea of three years before the next housing element is due, which will be January 31st, 2031. And so I think we're gonna start thinking about maybe working on the housing element next year or the year after. And let's see. Hopefully, oh, and there will be additions. It'll include lower levels of affordability than what we've got right now, and take rent burden and homelessness into account, which is probably why the numbers will go up. On the 24th, I, along with Council Member Badami, got a tour of West Valley College, which, with one of the trustees and the chancellor, and it is really impressive, the work that's going on at West Valley College. offering classes to all ages. They have free lunches, free food for their students, and the buildings are just stunning. I mean, it was really impressive to see. Anyway, I encourage people to head over there. We are lucky to have this college. On the 25th, I attended the El Camino Hospital Rebuild Community Open House. So people have probably heard, all of our hospitals have to come up to seismic standards, and that is going to require a complete and total rebuild of El Camino Hospital in Los Gatos, and that will be coming before the council, so I'm not going to make any comments about it, but they've started doing community outreach meetings where people can come and see what the plans look like, what the layout will be, and what the phasing will be. On the January, or January, well, it's J-months, July 1st, the vice mayor and I, along with Oh, we had a mid pen director, Craig Gleason. We had staffers from supervisor Margaret Abicoco's office got a tour actually of the highway 17 wildlife over crossing. So this is a project I've been following since maybe 2014. And so on the Los Gatos side of Highway 17, there's going to be a wildlife undercrossing and as well as an overcrossing for pedestrians, equestrians, and cyclists. It'll connect, I think, five open spaces, but more importantly, it will connect critical wildlife corridors. And on our side of Highway 17 right now, annually one to two mountain lions are killed being hit by cars. And if that doesn't strike you as tragic, just think about if you're the driver and what happens to you if you hit an animal like that, but deer and other creatures. So that is coming along, I think, Mid-Penn has acquired land for that. We got to look at the sites where the bridge will connect and it was really very informative and it's a really important project for a lot of reasons. On the 4th of July, I was at the Symphony in the Park. I'm sure the mayor will have more to say about that, but he gave a great speech and the Philly Jones Railroad found the town bell that had not been rung, I think, in like three decades. Are you gonna talk about this, Rob?

3:32:58Speaker 24

Please go ahead.

3:32:59 – 3:34:33Speaker 11

Anyway, it was very exciting to have this bell rung and I think annually now on July 4th we'll be ringing the bell for the Declaration of Independence. On the 20th of, that is July, yes, I attended my first meeting. I've been invited to join the Good Samaritan Community Advisory Committee. So we'll be meeting periodically. And so if anybody has input for what Good Sam Hospital can be doing better or concerns you've got, I'm a conduit to the community and helping to improve the hospital for us. We're really fortunate to have two great hospitals very nearby. And then... I was gone for about a week and a half, but in between I've met with community members on cut through traffic before this weekend and after, e-bike issues, active transportation, proposed developments, North 40 incoming restaurants and phase one development. And I've met with a number of candidates who are running for Los Gatos Town Council and other city councils. I've also attended Music in the Park, Gold Thursdays downtown, jazz on the plaz, and a number of World Cup watch parties. And then had 10 days in Truckee hiking and just enjoying the mountains. But I have to say, no matter how much I love where I'm vacationing, and I'm kind of sad that I have to leave, as soon as I enter Los Gatos, I think I live in a perfect destination. So nothing like leaving to remember there's no place like home.

3:34:36 – 3:36:32Speaker 5

Council Member Hudes. I've been traveling a lot, so I have just a couple of meetings to report. First of all, I participated in a wildfire advisory meeting. June and then I attended the El Camino open house that the vice mayor mentioned and really I would encourage residents to attend any of their community outreach meetings because I believe that they really do want to engage with this community and continue to be a community hospital, and they're designing really a world-class facility to replace an aging facility, but taking into account what the needs are of our community. And so I have spent even more time there, and I think it's really valuable. I would encourage people to do that. I met with a developer who has a proposal on the Marisu school site. And I've had discussions with several residents and developers about other SB 330 sites that are in process. And I've had some conversations which I will disclose in more detail with the West Valley Muslim Association and their upcoming conditional use permit application, as well as some residents who live nearby to that. So those are the main things that I've been involved in.

3:36:33 – 3:41:45Speaker 24

Great Thank you. Um, so, as, uh, alluded to, uh, had a lovely July 4th symphony in the park celebrating the 250th anniversary of the United States and 175th anniversary of the state of California. Um, I'll just say that. Town of Los Gatos staff did a phenomenal event with that job. I think every single year we elevate that event. It gets better and better. Turnout was massive. I think we were fortunate that the day was a little bit less brutally hot than in past years. So we'll all talk to our contacts upstairs to make sure that that happens next year. But it was a really, really lovely event and a great community celebration. Huge kudos to town staff for making that event possible. Just I think two weeks ago now I'll just briefly touch on a ride-along. I went on with the Los Gatos Monastery Police Department Real briefly. I had been wanting to go on an evening ride along and So one of our officers was kind enough to take me out. We were planning on doing some traffic control and maybe going by dispatch to give thanks to our hardworking dispatchers at the town. When we got 10 minutes in, got a priority three call, and so responded to a home fire where I saw firsthand two of our Los Gatos Monterino police officers arrive in just a couple of minutes. immediately park and run into the burning building to get out the homeowner who was still trying to put out the fire and safely get out everyone who was in the house, everyone who was nearby the house, all of the pets, very quickly and efficiently control the situation in a way that I think made everyone feel safe and free of danger. Within a couple of minutes of PD arriving, county fire arrived and immediately got to work hooking up two large five inch hoses, doused the fire. They ended up arriving with more than 10 engines and the firefighters, you know, within minutes climbed onto the roof of the house to cut holes in the garage where the fire was burning, where, you know, to, to, let out the heat, which meant that they were letting the heat out into their faces. And so it was just truly a heroic sight to see. And so whenever you have the opportunity, give thanks to both our Los Gatos Montes Reno Police Department and our Santa Clara County Fire Department, true local heroes. I also related to fire, got a tour of our Cal Fire Alma Hell Attack Base, which is nearby, just outside of the border of the town of Los Gatos, but got to see the work that they do and have seen that helicopter flying all around Santa Clara County, supporting fires around the area. So that's a really fantastic, Fantastic capability that we have right in our backyard. There's only 11 Helitack bases in the state of California, and so we're very fortunate to have one just minutes away. A little bit less serious, I have been loving attending Music in the Park and Jazz on the Plaz, was honored to provide the opening remarks at both of those the first evenings of both of those events, and they've just been lovely, and there have been so many people attending them. The weather's been great. They're such wonderful community events. We have about three of each of them left, so if you haven't been to a Music in the Park or a Jazz in the Plaza, make sure you get out and enjoy them. Myself and some members of town staff met with the president of PG&E and I'm optimistic. It was a very productive conversation She she sat down with us for about an hour and 15 minutes to talk specifically about issues going on in the town of Los Gatos and I'm very optimistic that we'll have some wins from that conversation had a similar conversation with the president of San Jose water I Then later in the month flew down to orange County, um, to attend the annual meeting of Los Gatos is new insurance joint powers authority, the California J P I a, um, which is an insurance pool of more than 125 public agencies. It sounds really boring, but it's really important. Um, and I think our insurance coverage has gotten significantly elevated. We've discussed this at this day as, um, But going down there and sort of seeing it firsthand, it was evident that these are real professionals. I think it's a really good organization for us to be a part of. And we have the big benefit of a representative from the town sitting on their board and having a lot of access to the resources they provide. Finally, I attended this year's Los Gatos Saratoga Rec Summer Senior Picnic, which was in Saratoga, unfortunately. But it was a great event, mostly Los Gatos folks there. And so all the more reason to continue trying to create spaces for people of all ages to thrive in this town and really enjoyed that. And then I will be tabling at the Farmer's Market this weekend. And that's all I've got. Thank you. Turn it over to the town manager and then town attorney.

3:41:45 – 3:44:25Speaker 25

Thank you. In relation to the high school district, they put out a press release that they're opening use of their track and field to the community when it's not currently in use by students or reserved by a permittee. I think this is an extremely positive opportunity for our community. You see this in other communities, but for us, we have a world-class facility in the high school district, and it's nice to see that you will be able to use it as a resident. Along those lines, the mayor and I, as well as the command staff of the police department, as well as higher ranking individuals from the CHP met with the high school district to go over some of the results of their surveys regarding binge drinking. Astounding to see how significant the issue is in our high school of binge drinking. where more than 22% of students in the last month have been engaged in binge drinking. And we have seen a dramatic increase in alcohol related crashes in our community involving juveniles, as well as adults. And the district is seeing a significant increase of alcohol um issues at their games by not students but adults and so we are looking to work with the district on you know they're working towards a public information campaign and our police department is going to be working with the district on finding opportunities to help educate and encourage folks to moderate and to not engage in this type of behavior that could lead to unfortunate injuries and god helping us not deaths we've been fortunate in our community but the extent that it's occurring exposes our community at large and that's just not las gatos so we need to work to combat that Lastly, I know one of the council members talked about wildfire. It's our top community priority in the strategic priorities. And I will say I have firsthand had the experience of seeing what's currently happening in the world from Spokane, Washington and other places in this country to the massive fires on the west side of Madrid and the massive fires that occurred in Greece where my family was impacted while they were traveling there. it's something that we cannot leave our eyes off the ball as our community here in Los Gatos and we need to continue the Tremendous effort that we're doing to enhance the safety and reduce the risk exposure to our community by focusing on the wildfire Risk in our community with that. I'll turn it back to you. Mr. Mayor Thank you. I'll look to the town attorney for any updates a thing to report.

3:44:26Speaker 24

Thank you very much. Then at 1043, without anything else, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you all.

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