Master Plan Steering Committee - Regular Meeting

Apologies for um starting a few minutes after the hour. Um do appreciate the extra time here. It is 6:05. Um Kristen, are we um it's being recorded, correct? I actually don't know, but I'm assuming it is on anyway. Okay, then I'm assuming it's on. Okay, this it's not on the sign. So, okay, we're good. Thank you. Thanks, Deb.

All right, if we could all rise for the pledge of allegiance, please aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. All right. do that last night for CBA. Bob, it looks like you're all by yourself down there. Yeah, I know. Nobody's here. Is it something you said? No, I took a shower this morning. That's my up there, but I got a cold.

Um, we do have minutes from last month's meeting to review um and approve. um they were previously sent. Was there any edits or any um issues with those minutes? If not, I would make a motion. Recommend a motion to to accept the minutes as written. I would second that. Motion by Marge and second by Martha. All in favor, please say I. I. Opposed.

Extensions. Chair votes in the affirmative. So those minutes are approved and um if they are not posted, which I believe they are, they are ready to be posted with those with the approval distinctions. Excellent. Moving on to public comment. Does anyone have any um public comments that they would like to address to me? Come on up, Ray, if you just give me one second. I hope you can hear me. Okay, I'm going to kind of stay away from the microphone. I have a cold and a sore throat, so uh that's why I'm wearing the mask, but uh I I thought it was really important that I come.

Yep. Because I I'm here as a private citizen and uh I think with all you what you folks are doing, I think it's vitally important that the general public be included in some of this decision-m. Now, whe whether or not they show up, that's that's another story. Uh but, uh getting the word out to the general public, I think, is really important. Um and because some of these decisions are so vital, uh and we understand uh the purpose of the master plan,

um it's advisory to uh other boards and so forth. Um some people think it doesn't have any power. I I I think it's a vision for the town and um I think we need to concentrate on what are the vital issues that need to be spelled out and brought forward and you probably know what my thought is that would be about water. What is what is more important other than air? So um I I would hope No, go ahead. Um, Ray, no, I just um I just want to kind of ensure that because it was a little mumble, but you did I just want you because it's it's it's incredibly important and the town is working on it, but what you said was water and infrastructure. Was that what you said?

Yes. Okay. Thank you. Amongst amongst other things, traffic, uh, all of that, right? In other words, public safety uh and what we're thinking about uh when we're going to be servicing uh the town is the general public and uh there's a lot that's happening right now which is very good. Uh there's a lot more we have to do, but we have some opportunities that we need to take advantage of. And um with that I will sit down unless somebody's got a question.

Anyone have any questions for Ray? Ray, thank you. Um and the reason I is it the way you said it was it was muffled. So I just wanted to ensure that the record was clear that water and infrastrually important and I think there needs to be a section in the master plan uh and the in in the 2013 plan there was a relatively small section.

Mhm. Uh and when we look at other towns here in the state of New Hampshire, a lot of other towns uh are also very concerned with water and they they have a fairly large section in their master plan about water and I'm I'm hoping um London Derry will do the same thing. Thank you. Thank you, Ray.

Um we are still open for public comment. Does anyone have any art? Come on up. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, Art Rug, 11 Pine Hollow Drive, uh, assistant secretary of the planning board, secretary of southern New Hampshire planning, and I'm chair of CART, which is a cooperative alliance for regional transportation. And, uh, another member on CART is John Wilson from London and Alona Art from, uh, who's our, uh, you know, director of senior services. And we had a good discussion with our town manager and uh you know finance director along with Manchester Transit Mike Whitten was there and uh you know Tracy Whitehead and we had discussed you know basically the future of of CART you know basically what CART can do for this community and uh we got into the uh party visioning and looking at the uh transportation secretary of uh London Derry's uh up and cominging master plan. So I think it's going to be a critical thing for both cart and for the uh region and John Wilson is also a member of uh region 8 of the uh regional coordinating council and it handles all the transportation issues. So some of our discussion looked at if we get more people like on a you know transit route or something it takes the people off the road it helps the road situation. So it works it works together and that's something that we uh we have to think about and I know uh ma Manchester transit is really uh working on that and that's helps definitely Manchester with their uh you know traffic problems. So just something to start thinking about. We need to think about it and we need to have a have a plan on what in the community and mostly what CART does is benefit seniors that can't really get around and also people that for whatever reason need a ride to work. Thank you, Art.

Um, anyone else for public comment?

All right, seeing none, I appreciate that and thank you. All right, moving on to and through our agenda. Excellent. All right. So, last week, um, as you know, as I'm sure we're all aware for the public also, um, this is a subcommittee and a, um, of the planning board. So last week we um Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission um presented the the work that we did we did and kind of you know approved to move forward to the planning board what we've um what um on chapters one two and three the visioning chapter land use chapters um you know and etc. So there was really some great convers great discussions related to that. There was a few different um kind of edits that the planning board did suggest to make, but you know 97% if not more was absolutely approved. You just to kind of go to a public hearing and use that document as our as the document to inform the the public of you know what we are looking at from you know um from our overall um first few chapters here. Um,

with that said, and Jake just walked in. So, sorry guys. No worries. Jake, we are on um where you know kind of you doing a debrief of the planning board discussion we had last week. Sure. Um, so what we were what I just kind of you know set the table of what was included in those in that discussion, you know, kind of gave some background. Um, Sylvia, if you you if you don't mind just kind of reviewing, you know, kind of those edits, um, you know, those added suggestions and Jake and I will definitely, um, be able to navigate as well. And Sean,

sure. So I think many of the folks who are in the room were there that night with the planning board. But one of the things that the as we re did a very high overview of the process um how important the process is and the different sections that we did. One of them was this uh how the committee developed the vision and that started with this discussion on how the committee felt it needed to be the vision needed to be aspirational include responsible spending and you can see the the third bullet was revised. Um, it's hard for me to see it, but uh, so they felt that the way it was written, move away from small town to a community that has all the modern day conveniences, that didn't quite jive with what um, the committee res or the the residents that um, responded to the survey, what they were sharing. And so um kind of uh became sort of a brainstorm with the planning board and this is what uh was developed. So we I think what was important for everyone was to recognize that the community is growing that it has all the modern day conveniences but that it's important that the um small town charm is maintained. And so that's why this particular bullet was um it was discussed to revise this. The others the highlighted environmental stewardship and unique characters characteristics as well as the excellent quality of services uh those everything else

including the actual vision itself was not touched just this one bullet. So that's the first one. Anyone have a question before we go move on to this next thing? Okay. Uh let's go to then if we jump to page 23 and you'll see a current use table there. Next one. Keep going. Oh, it's I guess for us it's on page 24 here. So, you'll see this current use um land use. Uh just for the record, the way Zach creates this is uh first of all, the most of this information comes from the town of Londereerry, the town of the access assessing office. they delineate these various um land uses and they also provide the acreage. Uh one of the things that uh Zach also does he's he compares it with information from the census and you can see his comments here on the side. But before I go on to his comments, it was asked well how is this agricultural acreage developed and there was thought with the planning board that it should be larger amount and what we learned from Zach is that the assessing office if there is a farm um let's say it's 50 acres and 40 of it

40 of the acres is farmland But just maybe half an acre has uh um a single family home. Uh it all the whole 50 acres is put into the category of single family residential. It doesn't get put into agricultural because of that single family use. That's um not uncommon. Uh, and

can we put that in a lendary term? Cuz you know the whole 50 acre thing is very broad. I I think it would help the board for an example and I think I'm right on this might not be. So you take um Peterson sugar farm there. That is clearly a farm but because it has a house on it that's recognized as single family land. Does that make am I saying that right? Is that is that how I'm reading that? Yes. That's what she said. Okay. Okay. What What's the last name on that, please? So, the Peterson's Farm Peterson's Yep. Peody Row

on Peody Row. Realistically, anyhow, 90% I mean, Peabody Row is like the to me pee row is the most Okay. farm oriented street in town. I wanted Yeah. I mean, we can show an example of that. I'm just for my own for everybody in the room trying to give them an example of what you're saying that's actually related to London. Sure. As opposed to 50 acres and blah blah blah. I think everybody understands now exactly what you're saying. Yeah, that's not a problem.

Thank you. But I guess I'm I'm just wanted to review Zach's statement here that within uh so as he wrote within London's assessing data, a parcel is only considered agricultural if that parcel does not also have a home on it. Any farmland that also includes a house would be classified as a single family residential. However, a 2023 independent analysis of land use, land cover by the US GS um by the US Geological Survey estimated that agricultural land in Londereerry accounted for around 590 acres or 2.2% of the total area. So even less and what they do is they look at land coverage. So, one of the things that I wanted to ask the group is if I'm we're happy to put in this clarification and the caveat, but I just wonder does this change any of the recommendations within land use?

I don't think so. But I don't think so. something was based off of 7% of agriculture difference.

So, and then let me just quick review the other two categories that he included. The open and recreational space category does not suffer from the same limitations as the agricultural category. That is many parcels with conservation easements also include built improvements like single family homes. However, the town's assessing data is supplemented by additional conservation areas data from the University of New Hampshire for this category. UNH's data overrides the towns because they have more specific data. And then finally, vacant land can include a diverse array of uses. In some cases, it's just it's just vacant land that could be developed if the homeowner wanted to. In other cases, it's a land that is not developable because of environmental barriers like wetlands. It can also include utilities like large electrical transmission lines of which Londereerry has several. However, not all transmission lines are classified as vacant. So, we can put into the body of the text these caveats if the board

I feels it's important. Hear me out. We already sent this to the planning board. We're back here asking for advice about adding more stuff to it. Whether I dis or disagree with the items going to be added to this, I don't understand why it's happening here. I I thought this was the case where we're reviewing the comments reviewing the changes, but we're not looking for additional. Yeah, this is now we're asking for it's a whole another conversation in and of itself as to why. Okay. So, you just want us to include this

public work moves so slow, but like this has already passed us. This is just a review and I'm not saying this to I'm not trying to be rude or anything like that. If if I guess what I'm getting at is if we feel as though the change is warranted at this point it needs to happen at the planning board because this has already been approved and sent to the planning board. So say theoretically we all say we make this change and then it goes back to the planning board and everybody goes why' all these changes happen? You guys already sent it to us. we get in this vicious cycle of why nothing gets done in government, right? Because we're just going in circles. So, while I'm totally open to adding any of this, I think it's at a planning board level at this point.

Yeah. I I mean, what's the harm? I mean, no due respect again, but why can't you put it as a footnote somewhere in the appendix? You don't have to change the document. Just put a footnote. I'm happy. I mean, you're not changing the document. I don't think planning bar is going to All they do All you're doing is explaining clarifying. Yeah. Clarifying us all. It's not like a planning board thing. That's what I'm saying. To me, to me, it looks like we're looking for advice to change the document if we see fit. And it's like we're past that. And at the planning board, we asked for footnotes on describe this agricultural situation. Correct. We've already Which is what's here. Yeah. But that's all I'm getting at is I agree with you. We're asking for advice that's already been like Yep. Okay. Done. Do you know what I mean?

All right. So on the agricultural one, the only thing you want us to do is add the Peterson's example. I'm not looking for you to add anything.

I'm looking to clarify so the board understood what you were saying because you were using a general gen generality that had absolutely nothing to do with Londereerry. What I was asking and what I did for the board was put it in terms that everybody on this board knows what the Peterson Sugar Shack is and now everybody can relate to. Okay, we all know the Peterson Sugar Shack. We all look at that as as a farm and agricultural. Correct. However, the data says it's not agricultural. It's technically single family residential. That's all I was looking for on that was so the board could understand instead of a generality of you have a 50 acre parcel where 40 acres of it's used for agriculture, but there's a house on it. All I was doing was giving them an actual London statistic of a house we all know. So, we knew exactly what you were talking about.

All right, let's move on to 28. page 28. I don't agree with that, but that's fine.

This is was the only other comment. It may be 29 on this case. Yeah.

Uh this was the last of the land use recommendations. Um the the rec the recommendation was to change this. Uh there was a lot of discussion about sidewalks and instead what we came up was promote unique pedestrian connections. uh pro promote new residential developments, have on-site amenities, including multi-use paths or walkways, and establish strategies for future walkable, bikable connections on existing roadways when feasible. Uh Jeff and Jake were to provide any feedback. Um, not sure if you had a minute to look at that, John.

Yeah, just two quickies. You You got a typo, I think, there. Promote new residential developments. Probably should have the word that

don't have hindsight. And secondly, it looks like we went a long way to not say sidewalks, which is what the the board this was a very heavy discussion at the at the board um level because if we're looking at sidewalks, we're trying to figure out what's the problem we're trying to solve. We're trying to make the make it walkable community. We also, if you look at the vision, we want to ensure that we are fiscally responsible. Putting sidewalks in through town does increase some fiscal responsibility. So, so there's that aspect. Walkability also allows us to have that flexibility to ensure that our roads are wide enough. They're not these narrow corridors that you're seeing kind of in um like Tuscan Village, for example. The reason I'm using that excuse, I was there this afternoon. It's incredibly I mean those roads are incredibly narrow. I don't want I one member don't really you can't walk there. You can't walk on those roads. We want a walkable community. Um and how do you solve for that? you know, whether it's sidewalks, whether it's widen, you know, wider um wider road widths, it allows us the flexibility to kind of look at that without kind of shoehorning and saying your master plan says sidewalks. I don't see any sidewalks. Why do we need to have those sidewalks conver, you know, conversations where we're trying to get the problem we're trying to solve is a walkable community. And I feel like we can do that and not kind of shoehorn sidewalks. So that that was I think that was the crux

of that conversation. Sean um um Jake are if if recall I mean you sum it up that's more flexible than having just one particular implementation of a walkway. So it gives us a lot more. So Mr. Chair, what does the word unique mean here? I don't understand what unique pedestrian connections are. What's what what does that mean? The word unique. I mean, it's already been approved by my master plan, so I guess it doesn't matter. But I don't understand what the word unique has to do with this. This is not approved. This is not approved. Well, I guess I question the word unique. Now that I'm award, it hasn't gone through a public hearing. So, it's not this has not been approved.

Okay. So, unique, I don't know what's unique about it. Um, it's more like a variety of pedestrian. Anyway, um I agree with John that I don't it's disappointing to see uh sidewalks. Nobody's saying sidewalks to the whole town. It's a very large community physically, but um encouraging new developments to have sidewalks that connect to something. Um I think that's personally I think it's a mistake to take it out. And was that the conversation at the Was that the

Because because I'll give you an example. I live in Lorden Commons. Okay. I'll give you an exact example. We have lots of young families there, young kids. The development was built with no sidewalk. So, the road is 22 or 24 ft wide, which is standard road. Everybody's walking their dog, walking their babies, kids playing in the street because there's no sidewalk. Not even a on one side. So, I think this whole knee-jerk thing about sidewalks is interesting. I don't think it's a knee-jerk thing.

Well, I mean, it seems to be, but that's my opinion. I'm entitled to it. But um I think that sidewalks not throughout the town but in certain developments as they get built are critical. I know that we've been going to the safety committee uh safety commission multiple times because of the situation in our neighborhood and also making the road wider does not um create pedestrian safety for walking. It doesn't work. So so uh streets are for cars, right? So you might ride a bike but that's about it just on

So thank you. That's my thoughts and I wanted to say it. in terms of um where do I start? So, I'm just trying to think of conversations we had at a planning board level for anybody that didn't have it. One of them was maintenance of sidewalks. While they're phenomenal in concept, you know, in North Carolina, South Carolina, they work because you don't get snow. Up here, we get snow. So, there's a maintenance aspect to it. um small town look and feel doesn't fit.

The the the small town look and feel of sidewalks are very much sidewalks are very much a urban

exactly have more of a city feel to them than I mean I grew up in London area. Not a single road I've lived on had a had a sidewalk. And I grew up riding my bike in the middle of the street. And I'm sure anybody that really has lived in any neighborhood around here, chances are you probably don't have a sidewalk. Um, go into the wayback machine. Sidewalks got put in. People said they absolutely hated them. Um the conversation was one maintenance associations because most of these places are private development so they're paid for. Associations didn't want to pay the maintenance of of plowing the sidewalks every year. Do you guys She lives in the Neans, right?

You live in the Neans, right? Do you guys do sidewalks? We just paid $600,000 to get redone. Nobody walks them. Yeah. So this this is what I'm getting at. Do you guys maintain them in the winter? Huh? Do you maintain them in the winter or no? No. Yeah. So, waste your money. So,

there's absolutely no point in having them because 6 months out of the year, we don't maintain them. Granted, we don't get the snow we used to get back in 2015 when we had 114 ines in 32 days. Um but the other concept of it again we we went through a large building 55 plus community thing um which we've since removed the ordinance on them. Every conversation was we would rather a wider roadway that people can walk on and stay on one plane instead of walking up a sidewalk, staying on it, walking down a sidewalk cuz 30 feet later, you're at somebody's front driveway, walking across it, then walking up again and going straight. Um, we wanted to find a way to We feel like what people do like is walkable alternates of

Old Mammoth Road was one we brought up. Yep. Um, Katesby Lane, they have walkways, but they also have a walking path. Um, if you look at Kates Lane, I think it's it is a if there's a car parked on the side of the road, you can barely get by because everything's on granite curbs because there's walkways, this that and the other thing. Um, Young Road, what what's that streets getting built right now?

There's no walkways, but there's all these walkable paths that, you know, go through the backsides of the houses and bring it like they get a little patio thing and stuff like that. So I think we were trying to find ways to promote walkability without saying let's put sidewalks in. And then I mean the other conversation to be had there was this is my own opinion. The other conversation to be had there was if we really wanted sidewalks in it needed to start 40ome years ago in the 80s when all these neighborhoods were getting built. Yeah. London is a builtout community.

Wait, Mr. Sher, I didn't mean to make an issue out of it. We should move on. I we it wasn't applying sidewalks in the whole town. I clearly stopped that. I know. And I think and I think if anyway, let's I'm going to stop there. This doesn't sidewalks. We just agree disagree on that. That's fine. That's right. It doesn't prevent sidewalks. I think let's move on. Yeah. I do want to walkways can encompass correct trying to

Yeah. I we and that was the that was I would just want to end on that really walkable areas provide the flexibility if a developer wants to come in with a new neighborhood concept saying you know this is the concept and then that gives the planning board and the heritage commission or whoever's reviewing it the you know you the backbone says well where's your where's the walkability they come in and they say well we have sidewalks and then we have that conversation and then you know it goes It allows us more flexibility where we are wanting to say these are what you know it has to be a walkable community and this is where we're kind of looking at in a safe environment. So

yeah because they could have trails behind off of off off the that's what we're seeing and then that's very walkable but there's no sidewalks. Yeah. Correct. And Christine I'm sorry I completely blanked on your name for whatever and that's why I called you. So I apologize. I'm like I'm like how did I forget her name when I two words so thank you. All right moving on. Is there any revision do you want to take out unique and maybe have innovative or

again and I'm please don't misinterpret this wrong. I'm completely open to revisions as a request at the public hearing section of the planning board because this has we're done here. the the rei if theoretically if you revised this the planning board would then have to review it again. I'm all for revisions. Please please please please come to the public hearing and state what you want to see revised. It's not happening here. This was the one thing that you and Jeff were going to provide feedback on because there was providing feedback. No, you're mixing.

We were not providing feedback. You you were pro you were basically saying this is what we are pres these are the edits that we see fit and you were going to just send that present them to this board. Presenting to this board and then send it send it to us just for just for awareness. Correct. Which again, I think the presentation's good. I just I want to get away from the word revision because technically this has been through this board signed off and sent to the planning board. So from a okay rule of order, if you want to call it, the revision needs to happen at a public hearing with the planning board. That's all. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Move on.

Keep moving. That was that those were the only three things. Perfect. Perfect. So, in other words, that at the planning board, at the public hearing, if we wanted to take out the word unique, we could do it at that point. Exactly. And please, like, by all means, I'm actually completely open to what I I forget the word he said, but in my head, I'm like, "Wow, that makes more sense." I'm just saying totally makes more sense. It was varied or variety. I think he said variety. Is the odd word using That's the time to do it. That's that's all I'm getting at is that's the time to do it. Or even eliminate it alto together. promote pedestrian connections. That's awful. Yeah. Come to the planning board public comment. Okay. I will. Thank you.

So that kind of you know address what you know the conversations you know had at the first reading last week. Um, I do want to kind of um mention, I don't believe it's been confirmed, but we are targeting a um a separate meeting of the master plan um public hearing to be its own agenda item on September 24th. Correct. Which we did I I specifically talked to Kelly about it because anybody that

comes to public hearings at the planning board, you know, they can come with plenty of fatigue come 9:30 or 10:00 at night. So the conversation was this should not be something that is one it shouldn't be something that's put on the front of an agenda that has three or four items behind it. Nor should it be something put on the end of agenda that has three or four items in front of it. So the conversation was let's take this and make it a specific meeting for a public hearing at the planning board. What was the date of that again? It was the 24th. Thank you. I unfortunately will not be able to make that date. All right. But that is I don't I don't believe Kelly has confirmed that yet. Right. Right.

We all kind of said hey tenative but we are waiting for confirmation if I remember correctly.

Okay. All right. So, thank you Sylvia for walking us kind of through those edits and thank you for the conversation on that and really outlining our next steps. So, I really kind of want to, you know, pivot to what are the the absolute next steps as well. Um the the um planning board also discussed um what their expectations are and Jake if you want to kind of um provide I have expectations.

Well, I'm assuming because you're the chair of the planning board. So, um of of what the you know, how do we how do we get through this process? Yeah. And and we ensure that it's not a rush process, but we also have the resources. Yeah. So, um available to do it right here. Oh, hold on. Let me just pull up the agenda so you and I are on the same page. There we go. So, you're at six project timeline. So, my thoughts behind this are obviously we have a survey open right now. Correct. We do. When's the closed date on the survey? September 26th or something maybe. It was the um 15th, which would be six weeks having that open. So, when did it September Wednesday September 17th number correctly?

Oh, wow. Is what was in your notes, Jeff? Yeah. September 17th. September 17th. Tensibly. I mean, that's flexible. Yeah. But right now we're talking the 17th. Um I I feel as though the the board wants to focus on getting these three chapters memorialized and into the first three parts of the the master plan. So, you know, I'm not sure what that looks like right now with this board. We have the we have the um like I said, we have the the the survey out right now. Now, do we have any idea how many responses we have on the survey by chance?

Um, I believe the last time I asked Cam, it was under 70. Okay, just for the record, one of the questions or something that one of the ideas that came up from this group at one of our last meetings was to ensure that those who had responded to the first survey, those respondents that provided email addresses, right? That was also they all got an individual um email sent to them to inform them about the survey. So that was you can do that right through Survey Monkey.

So um it may be I don't know if uh we can check to make sure your email address is correct in that survey monkey but um yeah that's the feature. So I believe that's how why we have any responses right now because the survey isn't presently we're working with the town on this but it's you you have to really dig to find it. It's you did

it. So it's not on the town on the first page. It's not on the planning board page. It's not on the master plan committee page. Only if you uh dig in the master and go to the master plan web page itself, not the committee but the master plan web page. Do you find it? And then it's right there. So we I um have been emailing with Cheerston and hopefully that will rectify and as well as Facebook. I don't know that it's on FA it's not on not on Facebook I I'd say that

yeah no it it it has not been publicized it has not been promoted and definitely hasn't Martha go ahead

I would I would say that um the link directly to the survey should go on all those town on the town um Facebook page but there's other town London Derry Facebook pageages that people go to that we should post it on all of those as well and we should make it more readily available on on the town website as well. I I did it today and it took me a long time to find it and get there. So, I think that it's it's so important that we get this information out to this residents of London Derry so they get a chance to respond to these surveys. There's there were a lot of good questions in there and I think it's the utmost importance. I I wouldn't mind it if we had a um you know email list. I don't know if your office has worked on this. You know you say the monkey survey or whatever that's called

but but a um you know list of those emails that were that you could just you know one email and it would go out to everybody. Yeah, we we did that. But Deb is saying she didn't get it. So, and I didn't get anything either. I haven't seen it. I haven't gotten it. All right. So, I'll check with um I know Cam did that back. Let's see. It was It went out on the ETH. It should have happened uh right in the eth or 9th. So, I'm not sure if that function isn't working properly, but we can do it a different way.

So, and I Martha, I I 110% agree with you. This is and I I was the one that kind of raised the um the we have to really dig to get any information for the master plan. I think part of that too is well intended. We had a separate master we have a separate master plan

um page which I I've I actually have more conversations about the link not looking legit over um you know the content of that page. um that's neither here nor there. But I think perception is reality here and I really think we need to if you know focus on ensuring that this survey is appropriately targeted in the right spots. Um this is a this isn't go this is a the content of this survey is as obviously different than the last one. So there might not be as much excitement. So, we have to work a little bit harder to kind of get it out there. That said, we need to have the we need to have the spaces available and that it is easily for easy for us to navigate it, easy for us to kind of share and all that. I say all this because I think it's starting to get a point of where I really want to ensure that administratively we have all of our ducks in a row on this as we tackle these next tiers. And I and I, you know, part of this conversation did occur at the planning board um level is like, do we have the capacity? Do we have the capability to drive down chapters 1, two, and three, which are incredibly important for this town, work on the next chapters simultaneously? We're not. And I feel like the planning board discussion was that we want to focus on chapters one, two, and three. Ensure that's focused. We also need to educate on what those chapters are before the public hearing. Um,

yeah. I mean, I would be I I'm not opposed to, you know, obviously we have a survey out. I'm we're never going to get the results we got on the first survey because we're in a different section of the master plan. you know, threequarters of the people that took the survey probably don't realize that there was going to be another survey. Um, you know, I would be comfortable saying, let's get the survey results, whatever they are, and make a decision of if we need to extend the survey and figure out how we can get a little bit more outreach throughout the town. But, you know, to your point, I don't know that we're going to be able to finish these three and keep going on with the next three. So to me, it's like, do we finish what we're doing, get the first three done, start back up here, get it back to the board, let them get those three done, bring it back here, get the final chapters done, bring it back to the board, as opposed to kind of trying to do this together because I I definitely not confident that it's going to go the way smoothly, I should say.

You're right, Mr. Chair. I just try to find it. Took me five minutes to find it. I did finally find it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh on on our, you know, town site. Kept taking me to steering committee, right? Uh as you said. So I I did finally find it actually. So you find it on again on the You have to click on the link master plan update. You scroll down and it's quite clear. It's right here.

The draft chapters are there and a lot more. But the reality is it should be on the web the the front page. And the reason I would advocate for it being on the front page is because your average citizen is not going to understand what the master plan steering committee is. They're not going to go and look at it from that standpoint. But they will if you know if they go to the London page in front of their face, right? Yeah. Um and that's that's you know that's really just like that's just consumer if if we're just looking at from a consumer standpoint.

That's like Google. When's the last time you hit page two? Deb um I'll get up to the mic. Um Deb Paul 118 Hardy Road. I was hoping that at old home day we had discussed that there was going to be something there. There were

three committees. Beautify Londereerry Londereerry Green Team Conservation and utility all in a row. We all could have had a, you know, a survey, a a a QR thing or something that would drive people to go there so that it could have, you know, people could have did it right there and then, you know, they don't want to stop and talk, but oh, this is a survey about your town, something, you know, you want to put in put in your town. We want to hear from you. Take this survey. And that's all, you know, big sign with the QR thing, right? And there were not, there was nothing there. And there was nothing at the concert. I'll definitely take responsibility for that. I'm just saying we missed an opportunity. We totally missed the boat on that. Totally. I'm sorry. We totally missed the boat on that. Yeah. Like you did that the first one,

right? And it was very successful. Get the information. I'm just I don't I'm not pointing fingers or anything. Yeah. I don't disagree with you at all, Deb. I'll be honest. I think a lot of it is um volunteer time, right? You know, the Southern New Hampshire was at the other old homes day. They said they weren't going to be able to make it, I believe. Um, and you know, for me at least, I'll be honest with you, I was up front. I said, if you want me to set up in the morning and take it down at the night, I'll do that. But I'm spending old homes stay with my kids this year. But we had a booth, too, at old for the town there, like where the manager was sitting there with Kirsten and stuff. I don't disagree.

There was plenty. And then the senior dinner, the barbecue thing. I mean, you had an audience. It's all stuff we had last year. And and I think some of that might relate to um I mean it could be a little bit of fatigue of the board. You know after the question becomes we don't have we didn't have the administrator what's coming up that we can um act upon to maybe enhance what you're trying to do. Old homes day 2026. Well6 also voting in March. You have your voting, but you have the blues festival this Saturday, which is veterans. Another piece of our community. There are a couple of other what? Something at the library.

Something at the library just to sit at the front desk. Um, well, put it in the paper. Well, I can't say that because Okay. Um, but I'm just saying things like that. Um, I'm trying to think. There's a couple of things coming up. There has to be. I can't think right now. At the end of the day, I mean, I'm all for it. I Somebody needs to grab it by the uh you know what and say I'm going to do So, this is And I'm sorry to interrupt your meeting, Deb. You're the QR code left. Yep. Come on up, Christine. And then I have a statement that I just want to kind of make. Thanks, De. Real quick,

Christine Perez, 5 Wesley Drive. I live in a senior community. my seniors and pe the people that I know and I'm going to guess since we have such a huge largest per capita in the state seniors they do not go on the London Dairy website they don't go on it the only way I had people complaining to me that they knew nothing about old home day until the week of it and we don't get the paper till Friday

you know the problem is you have a huge senior community I don't go on the London legendary website. You need to put it where seniors can get it. And I know it's a plug for the paper, but if you put something in the paper and it is available and you know at this link or something, they might go on their computer and do it. You're not get you want people to come out and vote in March. You're not reaching them with social media. You're not reaching a huge huge population of old people. And I can say that because you you're not reaching them. They're not going to come out and vote because they have no idea what's going on. I had two people yesterday to say to me, "Thank God the notices are in the paper again.

So, you're missing the boat with all the social media stuff." The um and thank you Christine. I appreciate those comments. Um, one thing I really want to I don't disagree with anything that's would said. Who's going to do the work? Is it going to be me? Do we want me to start making QRQ codes? Do you want me to hack into the

the website, make the updates to the website? Do you want me to kind of um write articles? I'll do that if if it's directed. But we are we are a strong a large community that has very much partnered with Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission as well as you know our own internal staff to collaboratively do this work need help. And if and if we want to continue to do these three chapters as effectively as possible, we got to stop. I like and I'm not blaming anybody and maybe I'm just, you know, kind of talking and blaming myself here.

Got to do the freaking work. So people, how do we get the first targets? We need targeted milestones. We needed targeted schedules. We need we need I need to know who's doing the work because right now I have no idea who's doing the work. And Mr. Chair, can I just touch on what the question she had asked Christine? I think the first time again I you know I just mentioned something a little bit of fatigue. The first time we were all very hot to trot to get everybody. You were posting you were posting Jeff was posting you know everybody was out there something to post. That's true. That good point.

Exactly. to spread the word, but we have to have it. We have We have it and we've sent it out and we can None of us have seen it. Why haven't any of us seen it? I don't know. Stop. Oh my god. Stop. Everyone stop. What I asked for was a schedule. What I asked for was a communication plan. If we don't have that, then I don't want to proceed with this work. I do not want I don't want fingerpointing. It's a waste of time. The planning It's a waste of the planning board's time. It's a waste of our own time. Either work together or don't do it.

Who's going to work with Sylvia to make sure that you that we have a communication plan in place? What do you mean by communication? Yeah. What does that mean? What does that mean? So, hold on. Hold on. Okay. Yeah, Mr. Chair. You're good. I'm just about to walk out because if we don't know what a communication plan is, if the professionals in the room can't tell us what a communication plan is, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair. All right.

So, I I think I have heard Jeff mention the word schedule multiple times. Um, I know I live in a world where everything I do is based off of a schedule. literally everything I do down to material my company purchases to when we have to submit on product data to when we have to be done on a project. It's all down to a schedule. We really I I believe Jess Jeff has asked for it a handful of times and and we really have not gotten a true schedule as to what this looks like which I think is part of the reason we're a year into this and still on just finished chapters one through three. I I feel as though that's what Jeff's looking for. He's not necessarily getting it. Jeff, I believe you put together a schedule, correct? You put together like a tenative. Could you review the schedule?

That's correct. When did you do that? First time last spring, most recently middle of summer for work within your most recent schedule to review. When did when did it get when was it sent out? This month. last month on month earlier this month earlier this month probably twice so it was not sent out to the board so I want to clarify that was not sent out it was sent out but the issue here is that the first response to it was today correct

correct so I I think where Jeff's frustration is is that he sent something out multiple times and he's getting an answer the day of the meeting is just we can't operate operate like this. I I sure as hell can't operate this. I am a very busy dude. I need to know what's going on. I need to have a schedule put in front of me. I think this board is looking for a schedule. Um and we don't necessarily have one. Yeah.

I I I think right now the task from the Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission that we need is put a schedule together. put a real legitimate schedule with dates and expectations of of what our milestones are and where we're going to be is is the feeling that I'm getting from from the chair. Um, and I don't necessarily disagree with them. Like I said, my I mean, my entire life is built on a schedule like personal, professional. It isn't.

Well, and it's it's unacceptable for this next three chapters to go as long as these first three went. Correct. And I think that's that's not a reflection on on the chair or the vice chair or anything else like that. What that's a reflection of us in totality as a board. I think we've got to be a lot more disciplined. I think we can't we've had meetings where we pushed it off because somebody didn't get an email. We pushed it off a month and that added a month to this. And that's nobody's fault. And I'm not not saying but it's just if we want to move this along, we've got to be disciplined because we can't lose that time. Correct. And we we've we've also gone over chapters. It felt like for like three meetings in a row, the same chapters, we've gone in circles around stuff and we just

one bite at the apple because we just this board will wear out before we get done. Well, we're there and we're seeing it already. We're there. And that's why we didn't have as much energy into the survey and anything else. The next three won't happen because at this pace we'll be at five, six years. Correct. I mean that that's saying like you know for me right now I don't even I don't even want to focus on the next steps until let the planning board get their thing done

because it just I don't see it working well that's all. C can I just make a comment? I think that as a member of the committee or mastermind committee, we respond and act on things that's put in front of us, right? So I do agree that we don't have to spend three meetings or four meetings on the same three chapters. We those are very hotly discussed uh chapters though because there a lot of language that to be looked at in those.

But I think if we were to lay out a to me it's like there's two different things. We're looking for outreach and that outreach came at the senior fair. It came out at old home days. It comes out. We have a table. We we tell about the survey. We had a flyer. I I worked at two senior meetings and I worked one of the last year then this year, but last year worked the um old home days. So in ter the QR code and all that that you know are we supposed to do that as a committee? Then we'll have to do it. But if we have it we'll publicize it where we can on Facebook and our social media that we have individually as as individuals. not so I guess to me the public outreach is one thing getting the work done is another thing and I don't know it can't speak for everybody I'm willing to do whatever is needed to be done to get through this thing because there must have been done already by now I think um so the two different things and I think as far as the public outreach and some of the documentation whether it's easy to find on a website that's a town of Londereerry thing that's an it not me not Jeff not John that that's a town Londereerry have them create a QR code we'll put it all over the place,

right? So, I think to me, you know, I'm all for that. We want to be done. We got to get it done. Not rush through it, but, you know, we want to get it done. I was surprised we're not done, frankly. But, um, I I'm willing to work personally with any agenda, with any schedule you make that's reasonable. Correct. I don't think anybody here is going to speak against that. I But, but to me, it's like I get the information like in my email like everybody does, my toll boards, I read it like I did for this one.

Correct. I I made sure I read everything for a change and I looked at everything. I didn't understand the the markup comments as much in the three chapters, but I get them now. I got them now and move on. Let's move on. We could have done a chapter tonight for all I know. And I know there's a priority here that was listed as land use, right? So, but I think if we make a schedule to say we're only going to spend two meetings on Well, that's on a chapter, right, Mr. Chair? Or whatever. Let's do it. I'm I'm all down with that. You know, I'm good with it. And that's Sylvia. I think that is the ask from this board to you

as the professionals. You we need a schedule developed as to what this thing looks like. And it it needs to be it needs to be laid out that has, you know, exactly what's talked about at each meeting, when the when the finish of each segment is, so on and so forth, so we can we can move forward. And until I think we have that, I I just to me it's let's focus on what's at the board. Let's get that done the board and then All right. That you know what I need from this group though is what we did last year at this time. We had a very robust list of our outreach. I have very little to go on on this one and these are very different chapters.

Different

what would be the very different chapters. For example, natural resources. We had uh Ray in here talking about water and air infrastructure. Do we want to does this group want us to um have maybe a a invite the conservation commission in to have a discussion about the natural resources chapter just as an example. Transportation is another one of the chapters. Uh and so what kind of outreach and economic development do we want? Is there anything you want to involve the business community in is I mean so you know land use housing

bless you those those are meaty uh we didn't have uh our planner for the first eight months. I mean we accomplished quite a bit. So now you're I'm I can easily put together a schedule, but it will be minus your ideas and input on what outreach will look like. I think it need will it that kind of thing. I think we need something to react to. We need something to start with. Yeah, we need something to start with. Well, and and the out outreach,

you know, for example, I'm just going to give you an example. last year at old home days and I understood that we didn't have anything at old home days this but whoever created that QR code I don't know how to create a QR code we did that okay if we had had that this year for this second survey let's say what as Deb Paul said when she was in the room what I was at old home day Marge was at old home day John was at old home day we were we all had booths we all had people stopping by and we would have given them that QR code. We would have conveyed that message to all the people that came by to speak to us, but we didn't have it.

Exactly, Martha. We didn't have it. But we also had like a month and a half prep prior to old home day. We started in June. We were a at least a month later here with this survey. So, it the timing didn't work out. No. And then people people I would like to to I don't want to I don't want to cut any Can I talk for a second? Are you all right if I talk for a second? I think so. I I I don't want to cut anybody off, but what I don't want to talk about is what the we should have done. Yeah. What I want is the what we're going to do

and what what we're going to do involves we need a schedule presented from the Southern New Hampshire Planning Committee that we can react on. Nonetheless, when's the survey done? The 26th, 16th, something like that. 15th or 17th?

You know, I I I don't see in my eyes, I don't see anything going on here until, again, I want to just not see anything go on until the planning board's done, which we have probably a month and a half, month and a half before we're done these chapters. If you know, we might decide to have a second hearing. Who knows? But you know the way I look at it is we have nothing to do here until August, September, October, October, probably towards the end of October where I think that you know from there Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission can present this board with a plan of how we move through the next steps. From there, this board can react to that plan and decide if it's appropriate to if the schedule's appropriate and appropriate to take the next steps. And more importantly, we'll have some survey data back. And I mean, personally, I think part of me thinks that survey data is going to be about 145 people. And we should consider sending the survey out again.

My two somewhere in there, we need to promote the survey. Yeah, we have to promote the survey. So, this is where you if we're going to go on. Yeah, we're going to continue. We all know we have to promote the survey. Survey. It's how we're pro promoting it. Who's doing the work? when is the work going to get done and that type of stuff. I That's where we are, folks. Mr. Mr. Chairman. Yes. Okay. So, maybe we could break that down a little further. Okay. So, you you've got a survey in the field. It sounds like we had a fail on getting uh the mailing list out the survey out to the the to the mailing list from the first time. I would agree.

Suspected. I didn't get it and some people didn't get it. So, so we have to sort that problem out and I think that's that's your group. So, you're okay.

And and and then in terms of taking responsib I I can make my own QR code. I don't care about that. But I I just need the link that I can send out so that I can build something in a in a one panel message to the Facebook groups that I'm involved with and and get that out. So that that'll that'll help. So that's that's two groups because I think we got pretty good results from Facebook last time. So that that promotes the survey. In terms of inplay stuff, I think we've heard something tonight about um the seniors and and they don't respond perhaps to social media, although I consider myself part of that group, so I don't know. But

um but but uh it it sounds like we have to do something aimed at the seniors either through the the senior center or maybe at at the 55 pluses um to to kind of talk them through what the next step is. need those postcards, whatever the ideas, but I mean specific tasks and things that that can be fixed pretty rapidly uh to maybe uh get us back on timeline and on the survey and then beyond that I think everything else is on hold till we see a schedule and develop a task list out of the schedule. I agree. Correct. Can we extend the survey due date? Well, that I I think that's I just took it by the way while we were discussing but

I think that's going to be that we should do that. Yeah. I I I mean I think if you can create a QR code the way you did before, right? And you can share it. Correct. We can publicize it. I I don't I mean I can't remember what time of the year the senior favors, but there is a senior center. There's a library. There's other things. I I think what we could do is if we have a QR code and we can also possibly I don't know how would pay for would the town would the town pay uh for printing some simple flyers or something? We had those at the senior fair. The postcards that we

with the postcards again, but but just to hear me out. Excuse me. So, what I'm saying is what I'm suggesting is there's two things I want to touch on. One, this mic won't stop moving. Um, is that we can email the chair because we can't email each other. Um, our ideas for any outreach between now and November, let's say. Is that reasonable, Mr. Chair? November. Yeah. Okay. If we Yeah.

Yeah. So, I'm just saying we we even if somebody says library four times or senior center six times, at least we're getting it together. That's number one. Get the QR code, extend the due date of the survey, and then I think my last comment, we do the best we can, right? The other thing I was going to make a comment on is that what Sylvia's talking about is these other chapters. How many more are there? Because I don't have a good feel for it to be honest with you. I don't either. Sure.

Are there four? Are they six? So originally this time last year the tiers went land use, vision, housing, demographics, second tier natural resources, transportation, economic development and the final tier historic cultural resources, community facilities and regional context. But we moved regional context up with land use. So we have like five more.

We have actually finished vision, demographics, regional context, land use, and housing. So those are five sections. We're we've we're covering three. Now the one other thing that um we haven't talked about yet is future land use workshop. Future land use usually comes at the end, but at the planning board it was talked about bringing that forward. And one of the things um our team did was develop um for this group's next meeting, we could have a public workshop that dove into future land use and doing a mapping exercise and that would um that would bring that to full circle. So we could do that. But anyway, the final so after these three and consideration for the future land use uh the

five it's really just uh historic and cultural resources and community facilities. So there's only two left after this tier. We still have to do that final of the future land use. So there's five total including mapping exercise. Yes, there's five. So I was right. Five. So I'm sorry, missed the chance to go back to that. So five. So I didn't know that. So now I know we know I think Sylvia makes a good point that some of those who might want to bring in somebody from resource you know natural resources or historic resources or some of the committees in town. But I think the question is can you know we probably can't get I'm just we can get through one of those chapters in a month.

But maybe I guess the bottom line is what's the end date? I live by schedules too. That's my business. Yeah. What's the end date? Are we trying to be done? I'm asking. I'm not March, February. I What do you think, Mr. Chair? That's my Jeff, I'll let you go. What do you I mean, seriously, what what are you thinking? It's And that's where honest question, right? Yeah, absolutely. Ideally, we want it to be done in December. That's not happening. Um the the land use thing was um the land use, which I think is actually a great phenomenal idea, but you

I don't even want to get into it. I don't we don't want to get into it and we just actually heard about it last week at the planning board meeting. I'm not I'm sure it was probably discussed at a previous meeting but and I may not have caught it but that's where where I just where we just learned of that the other two chapters here um ideally March but again it goes back to do we have even the capability to do all of this in a in an in a spot where we feel proud of what we're producing. I'm not convinced we we do. I would agree.

Just to so I just would want to get your opinion, but if we have if we have five chapters, let's say, right, and we say two months a chapter, two meetings a chapter. So one we get people to come in like the heritage commission or the resource natural resources or whatever and just talk to us, but give them like 30 minutes, you know, right? And then we can use the other one as a workshop to actually do the chapter and we say we're going to be done before we're not leaving until we finish the wording. I don't know that we're going to have as much contention or discussion over these chapters as we did over the other ones. I agree.

I I would agree with that. So that means you know four eight months I hate to say it out loud Mr. Chair I apologize but that would be like se September October November December January February March. Yeah. March, March, April to finish. I agree. And and that makes sense. Some of that is again it does. No, I to your Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you're good.

To to your point of, you know, bringing in other boards and committees, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Get a schedule in front of us that has these recommendations so we have something to work on because right now it feels like we're coming in here and just going, "Well, what should we do?" put a schedule together that has, you know, a recommended timeline for for each chapter that has recommendations of involvement for each chapter that all has end dates to it. So, we can go, okay, we have a Bible to look at here to to get us moving because right now we're I mean, and the good thing about a schedule is that holds everybody account. It holds everyone accountable, but if we need to make adjustments, it's okay.

But right now, we're making adjustments. We're we're reacting to adjustments because we didn't have a solid plan going forward. Do you want us to pull the survey?

No, I think the survey needs to stay until the 17th. I think a schedule needs to be put together and I think from there this board needs to get together act on the schedule which again in my opinion should not be done until the planning board is done on their from a resource standpoint until the planning board is through their process with these first three chapters. Then this board can can react to the schedule and react to the survey. We'll have a schedule. My gut is the board's going to say let's put the survey out. So if I was if I was building a schedule for this, I would probably come up with, you know, a certain amount of time to not only time but actionable items on the schedule in in terms of implementing good responses from the survey. I think that's where we at. I think that, you know, again, I don't see us here until October.

One thing we can do is begin the existing conditions for those chapters. No, I don't even want to. I I'm and Mr. Chair, if I'm I just spoke for you because I'm not the chair of this board. I don't I don't even want to existing conditions for the next chapters. I don't even want to talk about the next I don't I don't even want to talk about data for the next set of chapters until the planning board has met their commitment, which is getting the first three chapters complete. So that's off Southern New Hampshire Commission's radar and a schedule is put together for the next set of chapters. I I don't want to do a thing until we have that. I just don't

except Mr. Chairman promote the survey because we have nothing else to do while we're sitting here. So the survey could be still going on in the background of all that you just I I just I have I don't even want to talk about putting together other phases of this thing until we have a plan. We also owe it to the public to tell them what the schedule is that that high level schedule when when things are being kind of expected. I was hoping we could do that with these first three chapters, but I think Sylvia, I appreciate you wanting to kind of like, you know, putting together the items before the schedule, but that's where we're kind of that's no,

that's what's going to get us off track of getting a schedule is we don't have we don't have a schedule. We have nothing to react to. We have nothing to change. We have nothing. We we're just reacting and we're just preparing. Christine, she just had her hand. Yeah, come on up. Sorry. Just one thing. One thing I have

I have a suggestion for your survey. If you're going to put it at the senior center where somebody can go on a computer and do it or at the library, but I suggest that you take out a you take you get a QR code. You take out a halfpage ad say this is the survey. This is the reason we want it. You can do a QR code or you can go to here, here, here to fill out the survey. That's going to go to every a half page ad is going to do it in color. Half page ad, I don't know what they cost. I forget. 100 bucks maybe. If that

it gets to every house. They have a QR code. If you don't want a QR, you can go here or here. Get it out. You get it to every single home, the old people and the young people. That's my suggestion. Thank you. One question about and I That's right. QR code. Do Yes. As old people, some of us know how to do it. We also had print. You were trying to be really nice about I know. Don't Don't worry about I don't get offended. I don't get offended by anything. I was trying to ask the generational question.

I know. But that's fine. I know how to use a QR code now. But the thing of it is if you say but it is also available at the library or the senior center then then if somebody doesn't want to you a use a QR code or doesn't know how to but say this is the second survey this is what it's for. We need it done by this date. Here's a QR code or go here here to get it done. Red in color halfpage ad goes to every house. And I I want to Yeah. Go ahead. And um going, Mr. Um most of the senior communities uh in town have like a

we have a newsletter a center but they have like a clubhouse you can put stuff under. Yeah. Well, we can do it. We can do it. Tell you right now that I would be willing to contact the board of these places and go to have a meeting with these people if they wanted to come. They wouldn't come. You can't. Most most of that we you can put up anything you want in our postal center. Okay. Okay. But I still think the way to do it is get it into every other house. I can ask people if they want to come. People don't come. They just don't come. All right? You know, but I think the best way is just put it out there in color. This is how you can do it. And then if they don't want to do it,

can take a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I can work with the local newspapers. 100 bucks maybe most. I'll work with the local newspapers to get it to get in there. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. So, and just could Yeah, go ahead, Jake. And I'm sorry, Jeeoff. I feel like I keep cutting you off. No, that's okay. Um, ju just to circle back on again,

you know, everything Christine has said is correct. Let's get it in the newspaper. Let's do this. Let's do that. But I want to circle back to we have a schedule. That schedule says from X to Y, we are doing newspapers, we're doing Facebook, we're doing senior centers, we're doing whatever else is going on and it's laid out in a schedule. So, we all have something that we can work on instead of it's all great ideas. Let's go throw it in the newspaper. You're going to but nobody knows what's going on. And then everybody leaves here and then a month back we come back and go, "Oh, none of us put it in the newspaper. None of us got it." Yeah. Whoa. What's going on? So again, I I almost won just to add to your schedule. Yeah, exactly. But thank you, Christine. Thank you.

But you know, that's that's my thought is I I agree with all of it. Let's get it in a timeline. So the other thing I want to suggest is even if whatever the planning board's doing or not doing with these chapters and the hearings and all of that, I don't see any harm with sharing at least one or two of the other chapters with this committee that we can read on our own. So when we come next time, we're prepared because three of you are on the planning board. The rest of us are not. Correct. So we're not participating now than if we come to yell at you with public comment. So I'm joking. But send the send the chapters. Send the chapters. But so that in in

I mean maybe one, maybe two. I don't know. We can collect our thoughts like we did on other ones. We did it online anyway. We all reviewed it, right? We give our comments. Why waste the time? It doesn't keep master uh the planning board from doing what they have to do right in the first three chapters right really digest it right that's my suggestion I can't see anything wrong with that unless the group does but I don't see anything wrong with it unless I want to just harp on the schedule yeah I sorry Bob I just I agree I agree with you but that's gonna make the schedule work better hopefully

I agree I agree I agree and with a schedule it allows us to the okay cuz right now again I'm giving a you know we we just provided you know a 30 minute kind of project management 101 course um but without the schedule we're not able to kind of say that you know we can do that and you know hypothetically theoretically yeah of course we probably could be able to do that but get the schedule there see what you know see where we have the lag see where We see where the overlap can be. See where we realistically can get this scheduled out and get it and just the schedule is should be driving these next five chapters.

Absolutely. And and Bob just to give you my thoughts on the comments your comment here and I think after that we should be moving forward. Mr. Chair, well I agree that you know what's the harm in sending out the data. My problem to it is they still have to work on putting together the data. which is only going to delay putting a schedule together and and okay to to me it's like how ready is that okay the schedule is not a it's I I

it's I'm hearing a few different things one um and I think this is ideally it's it really seems like this is a communication concern concern here. It's been a communication concern for trying to, you know, get in touch with it'd be great if uh Kelly and and uh Jeff and I just had a chance to sit down, review some of these details. What happened to we and I'm going to I'm I'm pushing back on this because we had schedule I'm we had

we had scheduled um review periods that were supposed to happen on the first you know the second Monday the the and whatever we had that scheduled but it just it dropped off the vine and frankly I'm a volunteer. I'm pretty busy myself. I cannot be I I shouldn't have to hire an administrative assistant to do my town volunteer work. Um, 16 hours a week at the planning board isn't enough.

So, let's We can make all the promises we want, but until I see I'm not maybe I step away. I don't know. Maybe maybe I've hit that. Maybe I've hit that. But I am not I don't want to move forward until I see a you a schedule that is actionable. And if you're saying that's easy to put together, then where is it? Because I'm looking at one that I sent last March. I there was two that I sent this past summer. I want to see the schedule. That is the directive that you have. So the last schedule I saw of yours, Jeff,

which I sent twice, and I received the feedback, maybe a week ago, maybe. And so, you know, I I I personally thought the the real push was to get all the stuff from the planning board. I got that to you a day later. So, you know, I'm I'm just So, I hear your frustration and I will Sorry, I got to leave. So, I'm I hear your frustration. I'll be happy happy to get you a schedule tomorrow. So, Sylvia, I think you hit on something very important. It's a communication issue. I think what the chair is getting at is

Make sure I get my phone back. It's recording. Oh, sure. Um I think I think what the issue here, Sylvia, is that I I feel as though the chair feels as though things are only getting worked on the day of the meeting. So to your point, you brought up a communication issue. It's evident that he's very frustrated that things have been sent out to you and they were answered today after he sent them out twice. So I think the chair feels as though we're paying a professional service to work on something and we're um we're getting responses the day of the meeting and it's not necessarily acceptable. I I

I'm not trying to speak for the chair chair, but I I have a feeling that that's that's how he feels right now. So, I think that communication is huge to this and I think that's exactly what why he wants a schedule because it's going to give them exactly what's going on and it can set a standard for communication. Um, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I'd like to propose that we consider joining for the night. I would agree. And that uh this is a leadership discussion. Mhm. And I don't think there's anything being achieved by the rest of us sitting here. I would agree. Motion to adjurnn. Anybody? Motion to adjurnn. Motion. I have a second. I'll second. All in favor, please say I. I. Hi.