Heritage / Historic District Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, it is 700 p.m. I hereby call this meeting of the London Heritage Commission to order. This 25th day of September, 2025. First order of business is to approve minutes from our prior meeting. I believe we have a couple of corrections.

Mr. Chair, uh on the uh third line down under call to order is to add uh Jim Butler who's an alternate also. Jim didn't make the first vote but he was present. So uh instead of uh chair appointed uh it should be John John May instead of Chris Kenny on the one two three fourth line down and vote was okay. Okay. The only other thing I had is on the uh two last motions coming out. That should be 700 Z. They didn't record a vote at all there.

And I'm sure the minute taker here, this is not John taking the minutes. So, it is not. It was actually uh so unfortunately we thought that the uh the cameras were still going to be on when we came back into the room after the last one and they had already shut off. So I was going by memory there. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Our memories agreed. So vote recorded. What did you say on line three? Yeah. Line line three after uh uh David Ellis's dad, Jim Butler, who's an alternate that was present also bottom that page. Yeah. Jim Butler joined.

Yeah, he joined. So, actually he was at the meeting, but you have to Yeah. The the only trouble is you have to look read into the minutes to I'm not sure what's proper. Yeah. Yeah. Same. That's how we got where we are. Okay. Any other corrections? Okay. Mr. Chairman, I will uh make a motion that we uh adopt the minutes as presented and as amended. All those in uh could I get a second, please? Second. Seconded. All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed say nay. The eyes have it. Amended. Minutes approved.

Do we have any abstensions? I got one. Anybody else? Not at the last meeting. Uh oh, I forget. Was I? No, I was in. Yeah, you you were ahead of It's just me. Okay. Okay. And one one thing I I did forget, Mr. chair was uh to appoint uh because we have one one vacant spot and uh to appoint an alternate to vote in that spot. Okay. I believe uh Mr. Butler, you're our only alternate. Okay. Uh and David is David. I was in a couple of times before. So, does that mean that two women are coming back? You were going to question two that weren't they?

Yeah. Uh Kristen Endike uh is not because her work schedule has changed and taking care of the kids. But there were two there was Laura and then Megan. Y and Megan had contacted I think Chris also myself. We let her know when you know the next meeting was. So Okay. Yeah. So we think Megan uh is still interested. However, uh we haven't heard from Laura. So, so actually we're 700 Z technically on the minutes. So, we have a full full complement. 701, my friend. Seven. Abs.

Yeah. 61, wouldn't it? Yeah. Yeah. For a total of seven eight. So, it's 701. Two two alternates here and one alternate is is voting now. You know what? I should know better. I should know better. That's okay.

Okay. Um, approval of minutes. Okay. Next item is applications for advisory input to the planning board. First up, we have a multifamily residential site plan for 60 residential units in the commercial 2 zone, 196 and 198 Rockingham Road. Tax Map 15, lot 66 and 66-1, SNS Metal Recycling, Inc. owner and Gino Bernard applicant.

Good evening. Uh, my name is George Chadwick. I'm with Bedford Design. Here tonight with me is, uh, Corey Bousard with Warren Street Architects. um here tonight to talk about a 60-unit development at 225 Rocking, excuse me, 196 Rockingham Road. Um it is a um project that contains three buildings, uh 20 units each building. It's a three-story structure about uh 40t tall. Um, we did originally go to the planning board back, I'm going to say eight, nine months ago, and and one comment that we got from the board was that they really wanted the project to look like some sort of courtyard where we have the three buildings that uh um are shape of a courtyard. Now, do we have the plans that I I submitted? Today is the only day. I don't come with a board. I usually come with boards and everything just in case.

So, and we do. You see them? We can see them. Okay, that's all. We don't have anybody. I got copies here in front of us. So, as long as you guys can see them,

um, that's fine. So, the project is designed in a sort of a circular loop roadway or driveway around with the three 20 unit buildings. the rear of the buildings all face the center of the lot in a sort of a courtyard type uh arrangement. Um there is walkways that go around the front of the buildings and in the rear of the building to sort of a center gathering area. Um the project doesn't disturb any stone walls. So there is no stone walls that we disturb. Um there aren't any on the property, so there's nothing to disturb. Um as part of the uh the site, there will be a a bus stop out by the road for the school buses. Um not for MBTA buses, but for the school buses. There'll be a little kiosk for the mailbox out near the road. um the overall theme for the project and I believe it's a well landscaped project. You've got a as part of the full set of plans that I submitted. Um we have the landscape plans um it's an extremely well landscape project being what was the pe zone before it was removed. Um little 28 overlay zone. Um, so I think from a an architectural slash aesthetic standpoint, I think it's a a really well-designed project. Um, I do I'll let Corey talk a little bit about the building and uh we're here to answer any questions the board may have.

Yeah. So, as George said, um I'm Corey from Warren Street Architects. Um, we have a three-story building, roughly 7,000 square feet per floor. Um, there are multiple entrances with a main entrance on the front of the building. We are showing a Pacific blue um, cedar siding for the top half and a um, herring bone board and batten on the bottom with white PVC trim. Um, I measured 46 foot one to the ridge at the highest point. And that's really all I have for a summary. Do you guys have any questions? [Music]

Kind of going for like a barnaminium style. Yeah. Um can you tell us about the materials? Yeah, so um what I have shown here is a a c they're certainty products. So they're vinyl. Um the top half is a a sheeter cedar shingle uh style in Pacific blue and then below is a vinyl board and batton in herring bone white. Um the windows and the trim would also be uh colonial white. So very resilient uh easy to maintain sighting choice. Four over one lights is accurate for what your plan is? Yes. At the moment

for the Okay. And the color is more or less pretty accurate to reality. Yeah. It depends on what printer you're using, but if it's on the screen, it should be closer. I know. I'm looking at these two here and his is a little bit different than mine, but um it's close. Do you have a particular manufacturer or name for the color? Uh the colors come uh those colors come from the Certainted product line. So Certaintied is the brand of vinyl. Yeah. Um they have a name for the color that it's going to be. Pacific blue. Oh, okay. And um herring bone white and colonial white.

Mr. Sure. Yes, sir. Um, have you thought about including any shutters? It seems a little stale. Certainly could be considered. Yep. I think that would dress it up. Yeah. Little pizzazz, isn't it? Matter of fact, that other project that's down to page road, we requested them and they uh they made that change. Yep. Just takes that institutional look. Yeah, does look a little monolithic, right, with the windows. Makes it a little bit more. So, that would be awesome.

I've gone through the plans. I mean, we can get the shadows on it. Yep. Make a recommendation. Thank you. Um, any of the board members that are interested? Landscaping starts on sheet 13. They do have purple lilacs in there. Yeah, they're white though. Am I right? What's that? Lilacs. White. Uh, they are. Yeah, they're Yeah, I think that says Yeah, they're white.

Well, growing up, uh, our where I grew up, we had white and purple. My grandfather had to have both.

Oh, I'm sure. The other tree specimens are uh sugar maples, red maples, oaks. Um for evergreens, there's uh um red cedar, juniper type, bushes, trees. Um trying to read this, I apologize. Red cedar, mountain laurels, spruce, Alberta spruce, white spruce. I guess we got white pine in there, too. White pine, but this is white pine.

Yeah, white pines usually they tend to lose the lower branches, right? We tend not to get too excited about that. Mr. Chair, I have one more question for them. Go ahead. Uh, you have three 8 by8 concrete pads that are in the middle of the plan. I'm curious upon what they're for. Uh, benches. I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that, too. I see the benches, but uh on the walkway, but there's 8 by8 pads. I'd say trans pads. Uh, one's a transformer pad. Transformer pads. Gotcha. Thank you.

So, it looks like there's one transformer pad for each of the three buildings. There's three of them, right? Perfect. Yep. So, that's what it is. Awesome. Just wasn't sure on the abbreviation there. Thank you. Do you guys have any idea about what you're going to do with the middle circle? Um, at this point, we don't. Um, I figured coming to the Conservation Commission and the Heritage Commission, you guys would have some ideas. I may recommend some sort of playground structure if you can. You're going to have 60 units here. There's probably bound to be have some kids there if you can get at least one. It is uh climbing and a slide of sorts or or swings.

The whole back there is between the buildings is pretty flat, so there's plenty of field area. Throw a football, play baseball, or not play baseball, but throw a baseball. Um, but we could possibly add uh a swing set. Maybe not in the center of that. Yeah, maybe not in the center, but maybe between that first building and the circle area might be a good area.

Lighting or LED? Yes. Yeah, actually I see it. All dark sky compant full cut off lights. Only thing I didn't see on the plans was a sign. It is there. Oh, is it there? There's a signage plan, but it's mostly like wayfinding. Oh, it is. That's Do you guys have any kind of monument or anything that you plan to put up? There will be at this point. It's still out for design. Um I will present it to the planning board. Um, I can come back and present it to this board too if you'd like. Yeah, please. We typically like to look at design.

There's generally a preference for the monument type sign rather than something on posts. Okay. As you can see on the plan, we do have a location. I just don't have a a rendering of it. Do any of the kitchens have uh venting over the stove?

That particular detail hasn't been ironed out yet. We haven't selected appliances. Um but um code typically requires that there's fresh air makeup. Sometimes it's done with the kitchen stove. Sometimes it's done on the ceiling above. Um

you do have exhaust directly outside. Yes, there will be there will be fresh air makeup and um mechanical venting. All right. So far, I've got uh suggestions to use shutters, and we would need you to return with a design plan for the monument sign. before that could get approved. Any other comments, questions, suggestions from the board?

Okay. Just just one. Had you had any thought about maybe alternating the uh the upper color on the three buildings to have three variations? Um I had not I had not considered that. Is that something that ultimately it's something I think the planning board will decide but uh uh it might get a little away from the uh institutional look a little bit. So on the top half um a a different color per building thinking that might be of interest to me. I don't know how the No, I don't. No, you don't like that.

No stuff would want might be a little too much but blue. Well, I I was trying to dance away from the blue without saying the word blue. Well, I think in my opinion, how how intense is the blue? Um, is it a is it a sky blue or soft blue? Or is it a bold blue? It's going to stick out like a salt fountain. It is It is a bold blue. Bold blue. Um, maybe the compromise would be an alternate to the blue, but all one color that's not blue. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, because that's just gonna that blue is going to go pink, you know. Oh,

yeah. That's so the uh the renders will know which building they're in by the color or the the shade of the color. We can uh certainly take a look at that. I'm coming back with a sign anyways. So, y like all beige or tan. Is that what you were thinking or I don't know what we're getting at. Oh, no. Just look like Johnny suggested different shades of blue. to offer us or to choose from. You know, it's an easier sell a lot of times if you can bring in a sample on something like that would be also very helpful. Yeah. Okay.

I ask the board, are you guys meeting every month now or still every two months? Every two months. However, what is your what is your timeline for the project? Um, I haven't received the RC comments back yet. So, you know, I'm looking to get in front of the planning board probably in November. Um, if you're not until the end of November like we are at the end of September, um, I think you'd be after that meeting, that planning board.

Correct. However, the things that we're asking for um for the most part, I think you can submit these and we could look at them outside of a meeting and give our our recommendations back to the board. Right. Sure. Um so that way you don't have to wait until the end of November to come before us again. Sure, that would be great. Try to be accommodating.

Sure. No, we appreciate that. other three bedrooms in this 50% three bedrooms. Uh I think in this one there was more I thought there was more more one bedrooms I think. Oh, really? I think if I'm not mistaken, what do you got on there? I have more I have one I have more one bedrooms. Um one bedrooms

two three bedrooms per floor. Okay. Um, I've added uh looking to see a a softer blue or or perhaps a different color altogether for the top half of the building. Okay. Um, and if you can include that in your your design submission between now and uh and when you plan to be in front of the planning board in November. Sure. We'll try to take a look at it and get them our comments. Appreciate it. Absolutely. All right. With no further comments from the board, we'll give our recommendations to the planning board. Thank you very much. Appreciate the board's time. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, moving on to our next application. We have a multif family residential site plan for 40 residential units in the commercial two zone at 225 Rockingham Road. Tax Map 15, lot 126, Gen X Construction Group LLC, owner and applicant.

Good evening again. My name is George Chadwick with Bedford Design. Um, here tonight representing Gen X. Uh, this particular property is down the street from the one we just spoke at. It's at uh 225 Rockingham Road. Currently, there's a uh a house on the property. Um, and uh I I know we haven't noticed it for tonight, but uh the fire department would like to burn that house down. So, I know you're now the historic commission as well. So, um I would hope to uh come back to you very shortly after we've noticed that to discuss the burning of that particular house.

Do you know how old it is? I think it was 1929. Okay. So, it's got to go through demo delay, right? It's on a demo delay. It is. They've submitted for a demo de demo perman. It's on a demo delay. So, where is this again? Uh 220 right where Smith Road um Rockingham Road goes toward Manchester. The big swooping curve. Smith Road is a shortcut between Mammoth. So, just before that old house sheds are and then the remember demo 75 years. I know the lot that Oh, the state house school listed. No, it's right next to Highland uh cold storage.

You know, the freezer warehouse freezer warehouse. We haven't seen lot. We haven't seen that house yet. Kind of set back a little bit. I really haven't I have I'll be honest. I haven't paid attention to it. It is. It's It's set back. I have it up on It's back from the road. You don't even It was all over warehouse. our client came and cleaned up the front of it a little bit to get temp power and things in for uh don't have to go through demo delay future project. It's already on a demo delay now. Is it occupied? I haven't seen it. No, it's hasn't been occupied for a while.

Well, one of the things we're going to well we're supposed to discuss if Kelly was here is the demo delay responsibility of the heritage commission. Oh, I know. I don't I think it's the historical I guess one thing is see if it's on our list of historic properties. Yeah, this one I don't believe really has any historical significance to you know to it. And it's kind of unfortunate that uh you know it wasn't noticed didn't know that we had to until a couple days ago. Okay.

So uh otherwise I'd be talking about it tonight too. So, so you are looking to submit a design plan for something that you want to build there after that building is demolished. Correct. Okay. Um it's a 40unit project. Um if you've all driven down next to Home Depot and seen um their project that's being built now on the lefthand side of the road

as you go down, if the board recalls, um I personally didn't come in front of you. who uh the owner did or the owner's representative did and discussed the project. It's the exact same building. Um it's a um each of the sections of the building is sort of a two-tone. It's either, you know, light and they are light blues. Um they are um gray, a combination of gray up and down. Um cream colors. That's better.

Light browns. Um I wish I had a color for you in front of you, but uh the owner didn't have one available at the time I I made the submitt. Um it is a like I said 40 units. Uh two of the buildings contain 12 units each. Um and one of the buildings is a 16unit building. The furthest building away from the road is a a 16unit building. Um there is a small section in the uh northwest corner of the site where drainage is being discharged that we do need to relocate a small portion of wall. That wall will be used in the sign in in the mon the base for a monument type sign.

Um in the plans I believe you will see the monument sign. So, this one we do have um a monument sign. It's very similar other than the name to the one that it's going to be installed down at uh um their other project. Um I wish I could explain more. They're all two-bedroom units. Um it really is an identical project. building and structure-wise as as the other project. There's a

differentation differentiation in roof lines. One difference in this project, there will be a stepping between every four units. There'll be a a two-ft step in the building. So, not only will the roof line step, but because of the grade of the site, we are stepping the building as well. So it'll give you a um you know a dimensional step as well along the ground. So the low part of the property is uh away from the uh

yeah it's the southern southwest corner. So it all pitches from the northeast corner to the southwest corner of the lot. So as you work away from the road, not only do the se four sections of the building step, but the building step as well. Is he going to come back with an actual picture? So I was actually my my next question was going to be I do see elevations that show us what the building will look like, but there's no renderings that show colors.

There is and that's what how I started this off. I don't have the colors. I can explain the colors. It's identical to the building down the street. Um, but I didn't have a colored rendering to submit. Um, try not to do the blue earth tone. Take a ride. Take a ride by um I have I remember going by and I'm like, "Were you okay that you didn't like that blue?" It's a baby blue. But well, I meant the building itself. It just seems That one's That one's a little different than

a normal project. It's more uh you know, you've got a a building, you got sidewalk, step down to the parking lot. Um that's what these will be similar to that. Um you know, it's not um Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, take someone in.

We're um I mean, there's there's a couple of things going on here. Obviously, there's a process before any of this happens as you already stated, you were aware, um, with the demo delay and figuring out whether or not there's historical significance. Um, however, the other part of this is, you know, obviously we we'd love to see renderings with with colors. Material samples would be even better. Um, I'll ask again too. What is your timeline for construction on this? Um, kind of depends on everything we were just talking about.

Yeah, it all depends on, you know, it we were hoping to be in the same t timeline as the last one. Mhm. But with this delay on the historical significance, um, if you're not meeting till November, then this is a month behind. Mhm. Um if you were to meet and I think it says in the regulations you are capable of meeting monthly if uh you deem it appropriate. Yeah.

But um and I could certainly have everything ready for that meeting but um if we're out till November uh you know there's nothing really I can do about it. Um, I mean, I will say typically in this situation without like a rendering that we can actually look at, we would we would want you to come back. Um, we could organize a special meeting if you think that the timeline is going to meet what you're talking about. I would be kind of surprised with with everything else that has to happen before the building will come down if it is going before demo delay. Um, but that being said, I think uh in this case, we would we would definitely want you to come back. Question is, do we want to have a special meeting to do that?

I would be open to one. Me, too. Yeah. you know, particularly where we're deferring all the other business today and and maybe be a good opportunity for you to come back with also Yeah. like the uh on the last one. Yeah. If we meet next month, that' give you an opportunity to do both. So, I think that makes sense. Okay. That would be we'd really appreciate it if Yeah. We'll convene a special meeting. This actually also has a side benefit of allowing us to catch up on all of our other business from tonight uh in October. So yeah, so that would be October 23rd Thursday. You're uh you're on top of your game tonight. There are

He's not new at this. It's just math be I know the second fall. So that's Yeah. So the the fourth Thursday would be the 23rd. 23rd. Did you say those are going to be apartments or condos? Uh, all rental. Rental. And the last one was all rental also. Okay. I should do you know how much just ballpark just to say again how much a rental would be just in case. I I don't I can come back with the idea, but I I I'll just throwing it out there. All right. It's on my Okay. On this one,

can I suggest that you put some windows on the ends? windows under big blank ends and behind one end where you have a deck there's a a living room and a kitchen and no window. Yeah, the uh the elevations do show windowless ends on both sides of the building. Certainly. I think the front I like the look of the fronts with the dormers shutters, your divisions and everything. Dormers. Yeah. Lights

having a looks blank. Looks like a barn. It does, doesn't it? And those units. Want to put a barn door on the end? That's okay. You put a fake barn door, right? Um, break it up. Yeah. On the second floor, there's uh bedrooms on both sides there. So, um curtains, they can do

even on the first floor could be accommodated. Definitely take a look at it. Um commissioners, just uh just to give him any more input that we can off of this, any more comments or suggestions based on the plans that we do currently have? just to give you some idea of what to what to come back with. I don't have any. So So the street view is going to be your the end an end unit, right? Yeah. So we've talked about maybe putting some windows in they should really pay attention to the landscaping there. Maybe a little heavy. So break that up. Yep. Break up the end.

End of the building. What page is it? Landscaper on this one is I think 16 and 17. um the rock section. So there is actually there is quite a bit of landscaping between the uh being in what was through 28 overlay zone there was three tree zones and zone and so forth. So okay between the end of the building there's one two three four five trees and then some off um not really centered on that building on the end. So, I think it'll break up the end of the building.

Yeah, you have a bunch of trees in there. Should screen it pretty well. Definitely help. Certainly look at uh you know adding some windows. The uh white lilacs as well. North side of the property has a bunch of shrubs and trees too that would screen the back sides. And this one we do have, like I said, the sign.

It's very similar sign to what's going to be put on Gilrest. Um, all LED lights, same company designed. This one is the last one.

All night sky compliant, shielded down. Okay. So, uh add windows to the ends of building. Looks like there's adequate landscaping and the signage plan. Good. All right. Uh yeah. So, when you come back, the things that we're looking for are if you can bring material samples, that would be best case. Okay. Um, but renderings for sure.

Um, we'd like to see windows added to the ends of the building on this one. Sure. And if you can bring your uh sign design plan again for this is for the the last Sure. the last one. We would love to be able to see that in the package when you return. So, okay. Definitely. Any further comments or questions from the commission? I will say I think architecturally the building looks great from a physical standpoint and what they're looking for architecturally. I think it fits really well our new standards. Yeah, it's got a lot of the things we typically ask for shutters.

Happened to drive by Gilchrist and look past the piles that are blocking the buildings. Um you'll see the actual colors that are on the building today. And he plans on using the same colors unless I come back and you tell me you don't like the blue. It's a cold color as my grandmother would say. Well, you're wearing blue. Cold. Well, that's different, buddy. I don't want to look at it for her. Okay. Check it. Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time tonight.

Okay. Next up, we have a commercial site plan to construct a 7,200 square ft commercial building at 5 Ricker A. Map 28, lots 22 and 23, zoned industrial 2, Epic Properties, owner and applicant.

Good evening. Um, I don't know what you guys have in front of you, but I do have copies of the elevations renderings and the landscape plan. If you We do have access to Not me. I'm not high tech. Would you like some? Yeah. Yeah. If you guys want to just take one. Unless I can. Oh, you know what? Okay. My pictures. I think we've got them all here. Do you all set? I find it a lot easier on the computer on the set. I got it right. I'm good. Thank you. the elevation. I'm not even

All right. So, this property is located at five Ricker A. So, we have access off of Ricker A and we also have frontage on Harvey Road which sits up higher on the hill and we're not planning on doing anything off of that road. So, there's an existing building that's a commercial building on this property that sits on the left side as you're looking at the road. Um, so our proposed expansion is on the right side of the of the property and we're adding in a four-unit commercial bay type building. Um, the garage doors are oriented to face into the property instead of towards the road. Um, we have we have plenty of plantings on here as well. We have we've incorporated the um what is it that you guys the uh the purple purple lilacs. We've we've added those to the plans since you guys have

So, if you been here more often, that would have been on the tip of your tongue. I know. I know. Yeah. Um, we also have added some supplemental plant plantings up on the top of Harvey Road which sit closer to the top of the hill to provide some additional screening from that from the building. Yeah, that's the side the public's going to be seeing.

Correct. Yeah. So, just to kind of give a little bit more of a visual buffer between the the building and the road because that's the definitely the more traveled road. Um, as far as the actual building design goes, we have elevations as well as uh renderings in here. So, for materials, we have mostly vinyl. We have a combination of uh clapboards, shakes, and board and batten just to kind of break things up. And this is also going to be stick built. It's not going to be a metal building because when you go, they're 60 feet deep. And that's pretty much the limit of the truss systems. So, this can actually be stick built. So, it's going to look a little more not quite like residential, but it's going to have more of a feel. You know, asphalt shingles, vinyl siding, stuff like that. As far as colors go, um I don't have the names of the colors, but, you know, they'd be similar to what you see in the ren in the rendering there. They'd be more of a, you know, neutral color of type of a gray and some white mixed in.

Earth toes. Yeah, correct. It is also an industrial building. We try not to get too crazy with design for sure on these. Appreciate that. Um, well, they do have asphalt shingles on the roof, so good there. Yep. Yep. Colonial white, earth tones. Looks pretty good for an industrial building, I think. Peaked roof. Yep. Yep. Um the building, there's a building there now, correct? Correct. Yeah. That's going to get demolished before Nope. That's actually staying. Oh, yeah. Yep. What is the business that's there?

It's a it's a landscape company. It's a Epic Properties. He's he owns and runs his business out of the uh out of that existing building and that's going to remain. And he and this is an extension of his business or is this something else? This is more for something else. They're kind of commercial based so they'd be more for, you know, something he'd lease out instead of for an expansion on his company. I mean, I don't know what if he's planning on, you know, maybe one day if he expands his business, he might move into one or two of those depending on what he what he's up to. But So, do we have a separate and I haven't looked through a separate signage plan for this building or We actually don't have any signage proposed on this building currently. And but if you lease it out, you'll probably have tenant signs, right?

Potentially. Yeah. I mean, if we want to add a sign, we'll, you know, have to go through the process to get a signed permit. Now, what about parked vehicles outside trucks or anything? Is this going to be That's more of a planning board thing to to do. Oh, yeah. I mean, we have Where are the design landscaping?

Yeah. As you go in, you know, the garages are on the right and each unit has a designated garage bay area that they could use to get in and out of the garage as well as one parking space. And we have additional parking on the other side of the of the road there. I mean, it would be pretty light traffic used in that area, but you know, more of a planning board issue. [Music] You said you had a landscape plan. Can you tell me what sheet that's on? Yeah. So, the I don't know if it was on It may not have made its way onto the uh the thing that I had sent out to you guys. It is on the plan. There is one I got here. Okay. I wasn't Do you guys have a copy of the full plan set as well?

We do. Yes. Oh, okay. Perfect. Yeah. So, that's um Yeah, that's sheet seven. And then the the um they have notes and details on sheet eight. There we go.

The landscaping that's in front of the current building that's on the plan. Is that existing already or that'll be added in front of the other building? That would be added. There's a fenced in area directly in front of the building that I believe is just grass right now which would be kept as that grass area but the to the right of the building as you're looking at the plan that would be additional landscaping.

Now you heard all the feelings about the group about the color blue, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. We don't have anything blue in here. Okay. Smart kid. Blue is not that bad. I personally I don't mind blue, but you know it's it's a personal preference. Well, blue blue is part of the earth. It's a big lakes, the ocean. So, the the new building is going to be on the southward side of the property and then in between the two buildings going to be a parking lot. Correct. Yeah. Got it. lighting. Okay.

It's a pretty straightforward layout and building design and everything. Agreed. All right. Comments, questions, mechanicals on this building or where? Um for utilities, I would think. Yeah, I would think inside the building really. I'm not entirely sure though for that. Yeah. From the roadway, you see what's on the roof. Anyway, it's right. Yeah. I mean, we do have a transformer on the landscaping blocks that Yeah.

We do have a transformer on the on the property that we're adding for electrical and, you know, things like that. I don't know what they're planning on doing for, you know, for heating and Okay. Oh, we're for as far as screening that um transformer, it sits fairly far back and there's plantings in front of it. In the case with a peaked roof with asphalt, I don't think the mechanicals are going to be in view up there. With no other uh questions or comments, lighting. Anything about lighting on the building? There's a lighting plan. Yep. In the sheet eight, I think. I missed it.

That's okay. Yeah, the lighting plan for this is we actually managed to take advantage of a lot of wall packs instead of I don't even think we have a single uh single light pole on this property because we're we everything's close enough together that we can use it from building mounted lights. All uh LED dark sky compliant. Correct. Yeah. Okay. It's all part of the rigs. Yeah. And there's plenty of light it looks like. So, y get the uh glow from the airport. So yeah, it is close to the airport. You get the landing lights coming through your look like your window. Yeah, for sure.

Okay, with no further recommendations, uh I will say that we will recommend to the planning board to approve as submitted. Awesome. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. Okay, our final site plan for tonight is for the Envision building at the Village on Technology Hill PUD 5 Kittyhawk Landing Map 17 lot 5-5 zoned industrial 1 and the Village on Technology Hill planned unit development London Holdings LLC owner and applicant.

Mr. Chair, didn't we review this building already? Uh, you did. We've got a little update for you. Uh, here. Okay. So, any objections to me running this? No. If you know how use it, go for it. I think you know more than we do. So, we'll find out. You'll find out pretty quick. This fell's been here so often. He probably knows how to do a lot of things in this building. We We've done a few for sure. All right. Just give us one moment to get ourselves squared away. [Music] on technology.

There we go. There's the rendering.

We We've seen it before. So, it's an industrial building. Yeah. Industrial area plus it owns when we saw this.

Hey, look at that. A lucky day. You're in charge, Nick. I feel like I have enough responsibilities, but I appreciate the offer.

All right. Good evening. Uh my name is Nick Goolan. I'm a licensed engineer and principal with the firm TF Moran. Here on behalf of the village on technology hill team. Uh with me and seated in front of me today um is Christina O'Brien who is a senior project architect with market square architects. Um yes you have seen the envision building before. Um, we have made some slight adjustments to it in part to really make sure that the applicant's desire for the building expresses the high-end technology that's being built inside of it. Um, it's a little bit more of a sleeker, somewhat more modern building and we thought given that there were some modifications, it would be great for us to come and show you what we've done and then I'll have the opportunity to talk to you all about the landscaping. So, we'll we'll be efficient with your time and Christina, if you would just kind of take us away on perhaps uh what some of those updates are, you know, how we've stayed true to the vision of the building and and the needs of the PUD and we'll look for some feedback.

Absolutely. Yes. Good afternoon. Uh good evening. Christina O'Brien, Market Square Architects. Um some of the similarities that we wanted to highlight um between this and the um previous rendition are the ribbon windows throughout These provide great views, a lot of natural light and it will be um more in keeping with the light industrial buildings throughout the village. The second point we wanted to make was that the there's a ri rhythm of borders between the two entryways. So the entryway that you see on the left hand side is the visitor entryway. Um down toward the right hand side of the rendering is the employee entrance and so those rhythm of bays are yes thank you right in between the two. Uh we are using proposing metal panel for those bays. Um the color is called bunny gray. So, it's a it's a nice neutral as you were speaking before about um the color for the mullions of the glass is also a very similar color to that metal panel. So, it would be in keeping with that. Um and the glass is going to be slightly tinted this this grayish um slightly tinted glass. So, uh, be a little softer and, um, obviously reflective, but not a mirrored glass by any means. So, just something that we wanted to bring to show you. Um, and these colors, as kind of mentioned before in the previous um, submission, are just a little warmer, more neutral. And we're also proposing,

if you see around that, the lower um view that we have on the bottom of the screen, there's a woodlook metal panel that will be around the um visitor entrance, which will also bring some warmth to the building. So,

um, as far as just a couple of the differences between this building and the the previous design, um, there is more glazing. Uh, but again, just wanted to focus on the views and the, um, natural light. Uh, we did omit the simulated stone base that was at the bottom of the building throughout. It's now going to be that metal panel and the color that you're seeing uh in the samples being passed around. Um and another change that we made was we removed the entry canopies and we now have recessed glass entryways. So again, just to um kind of reinforce the sleeker uh more modern look of the building. And so we're uh it's our opinion that it's very complimentary to the village of technology hill as well as to the town of Londereerry for a commercial um and manufacturing facility and it will also include some very complimentary landscaping which Nick will um review with you shortly.

Thank you Christina. Any particular questions? Uh I think the we got a pretty good endorsement last time we were here with this building. Uh, I think we've improved on it and we just wanted to make sure that we had your feedback and and hopefully this is still consistent with all expectations. So, a few of the items that I noticed that I think are some nice new additions are on your image that you have up right there. Uh, nice patio area for the employees to sit outside and enjoy their lunch when the weather permits.

And also notice the new um uh second floor deck. I think that is a nice uh feature for whether it be a conference room or off of someone's office. I think that will provide a very nice uh feature right there. And I noticed before there used to be like a bit of a wave in the front of the building. I think this is a lot more uh sleeker with all the glass. It'll look really sharp. Great. Excellent. Out of curiosity, uh, with this type of window, will you have interior shades? I'm just curious. I believe there will be specifically in in some areas where there would want some privacy.

Okay. Definitely want will be some shades. I would I would assume. How much will that block the sun? Um, we would have Yeah, we're not quite that far in the design of it, but absolutely the building will be designed for energy. No, I mean environments. Seems like the sun will still be blinding through that. That's why he brings up the the lights here because definite dimness. We're just concerned about people being blinded by the sun through the Yeah, of course the tinting does um I think it allows less light to come in. That's the the intention of the tint.

Um but as far as like heating and cooling, that will all be um designed, right? No, I don't think that's what we were concerned about. You're just concerned about just the lighting. Yeah, there will be uh shades wherever required um for office space and and conference room space. There's there's obviously certain balance for trying to produce as much natural light within a building, but then making sure that it's obviously not going to be uh uh of peril to any of the employees, which it would not be in this case. Sure. What's the uh the gas in between the uh two pieces of glass? Typically argon. Yeah. Gas. Yeah. For energy efficiency,

is that true to the thickness of the windows that sample that you gave us? We haven't gotten that far in the design, but um insulated glasses is uh is probably about an inch thick. Yeah. Okay.

Um Mr. Chairman, what was the primary thought beyond uh behind eliminating the stone bases? I it was more just to keep um with the uniform look of the bays and and kind of frame those out with the metal panel and continue that down to the ground. Um and just because there's so much glass on the entryways now, we wouldn't necessarily have a stone base there. And so the idea was to maintain that kind of cleaner look with the metal panels at the uh at the bays. Do we have stone bases on any of the other buildings in the Yes, in the village? We do.

There are.

So, would there be a thought of perhaps looking that one more time uh as as a just grabbing a little bit from those other buildings and bringing it into this facility? Maybe let me help Christine a little this because it was something as a design team that we thought long and hard about because that was one of the consistent elements that we saw through all of our buildings. Um, specific to this building, this is our our crown jewel sits on top of the hill. Um, it's intentionally a little bit different than all of our other buildings. Um, because of the nature of the high-tech product that's being uh built within this structure. Um, there is a certain look and a certain feel um when you carry these types of federal contracts, that is the expectation. So, as this design matured, um that stone base just didn't ring through with this type of building. Um I thought Margaret Square did a fantastic job working with the owner to evaluate different existing structures um similar structures that had types more similar to what we have and we just didn't see that stone base. It it essentially clashed with the other aesthetics of the building. So, no, I very much appreciate the request, but I wanted to assure you that it was something we really struggled with and we did work through the design process to determine that it really wasn't appropriate, especially with the amount of glass that's proposed on this building. Those the the two architectural elements just really didn't jive.

Too bad make us happy. We we've seen Nick some buildings proposed before that are um uber modern. Yeah. Um and uh they haven't played well with the populace frankly in town. Um and and we're a reflection of that I think a little bit in some of our comments to you. Understood. So I guess my suggestion as one commissioner would be uh maybe worth a second look. Understood. Appreciate the feedback.

Yeah. I I actually had the same question about why you would choose to remove the stone. Um, specifically knowing that we typically like to see, you know, earth tones and things that can tie it in with kind of the overall aesthetic of the town, right, which is an orchard town. So, we love stone, brick, um, earth tones. I get what you're going for, for sure. Um, but I also like the idea that it tied in with all the other buildings to have that same stone touch. Um, otherwise, I mean, plenty of the other stuff that you guys did is, you know, a little more unique, makes the building look a little more high-tech.

Um, but I think that that stone foundation kind of tied it all together with the rest of not only the PUB, but also the town. Um, we we tend to have lots of stone work around. We love our stone walls, obviously. No, of course. Um, so I'm one member, but I don't agree to have the stone on this building at all. This is a high-tech industrialized building, and I don't think the stone needs or belongs on the building. Right. When we don't usually have requesting on any of that we've seen come before us require stone on them. There we go. Right.

I don't think that having this on this building would be a requirement. We have to remember that this is a PUB has its own design plan that is part of the plan PUB that's what governs it but I mean we might have flashes of how things look around town but this is a a unit by itself so it has its own theme of architectural design and so forth. I don't think we need to get too far removed from that. Lose our perspective. I'm sorry, Art. So, what are you saying? Oh, uh, this is a PUD, so it has

No, I understand that, but where are you coming down in terms of stone? No stone.

I'm probably more uh I'd have to go back see what's in the PUB for design because we went through the whole overall design of the PUD. So I think that referred what would govern it. Uh I think I agree more with uh with Ted, but I'd have to look at our PUD requirements. I do know that in the original submission in the PUD that there was a lot of talk about, you know, keeping in in tune with the overall aesthetic of the town. Um Right. and and PUDs are specifically designed to allow for some free form, right, of zoning.

Yeah. Set up their own themes. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, speaking of theme, right, this building is different than everything else in there. So, it just makes sense to me to tie it all together. But that being said, uh Ted had mentioned the word requirement, which obviously is not what we're talking about here. Um, so I want to make that clear like we can't require that you add stone, but it's obviously something that it sounds like some of us would like to see. However, that being said, um, there seems to be difference of opinion. So, I'm curious, Ted, you said you wouldn't like to see stone.

Yeah. No, I do not want to see the stone on there. I mean, I don't see any other industrialized high-tech building like this that would have stone on it, whether it be really within our town or in the region. I mean, that's I wouldn't see this on stone like this on a building. It would silly. Certainly buildings with stone on them, industrial included, but okay. Am Bedford,

I'd have to agree with Ted. If you put stone at the base of that building, it'll it'll change the the look of the building. The one thing that that I uh I mean we have to remember there are other buildings on this property and you know they have encompassed a lot of what we asked for. This is the main stay. I get it. This is not downtown. This is not on 102. This is up at the airport. We have different geography up there and other things. I think to put stone on that base and ask them to do that, I think would just take away from the design of the building. I mean, they have the wood in one of the entrances.

I don't know. Does that go 30 ft high or whatever. I just I think it'll just ruin the the aesthetics of the building. And like I said, they're not asking for any other changes there. Everything else, from what I gather, is still staying the same. Mhm. So I think this becomes a little bit of a compromise. This looks like Manchester. You know, this is London, not Manchester. Well, I think the uh the theme is more. But no, let's talk about that. Let's go look at the buildings that are up around that surround that. Go take a look at them. Still has

this is a lot better than some of the ones that have been there. So, you know, you can say Manchester all you want, but the bottom line is take a look at that whole area and what it encompasses for design. This this would stand out next to the buildings that are up there. Now, if it was by itself, Jim, I think I'd agree with you, but it's not. It's part of the surrounding technology village that they put there. Okay. which is I am looking I was suggesting that we have something in this building that unifies it with the remainder of the village there be like stone walkway

Mr. chair and members of the board or the commission. Perhaps this is a good opportunity to segue to the landscaping and circle back. And I say that in part because the landscaping proposed for this area. Um I'm I'm really excited to talk about it. Um the elements that we've added that are very particular to London and how those elements tie to the rest of the PUB. Would that be something we could do? Yeah, please. Awesome. Thank you.

All right. So, as we look at this plan, uh to the south is access from Kittyhawk Landing. Uh to the west and north would be uh the location of a Kiraway. Uh Envision Drive is providing access to the site, working our way left to right. Um as we approach the first driveway, um that's our employee entrance. Um which provides uh a curve linear approach to the back of the building. Um the curve linear nature is very purposeful. Um it is supposed to be just as much artistry of this parking lot as it is to be a practical use. Um as we approach that first entryway um this is framed um with lilacs um to provide that entrance experience. Um we also see that there's some elms in that area, the Princeton elm that we used elsewhere in the site which again demarcates that that entrance uh that entrance experience. Um, as we work our way to the north up the page, uh, we can see that there's a flag bank, um, located right at the entry, um, within and around that flag bank or waves of flowering shrubs mixed with ornamental grasses and lower overgreen, uh, ground cover to really focus the attention towards that visitor entry. Um you can see to the lower left hand corner we have approximately an acre of natural wooded vegetable wooded vegetation. Um this is something our landscape architect went out there and evaluated. Um there there are some some fun trees out there, some things that were worth saving. Um there is a wetland that's located primarily within the center of that. Uh, one of the focuses of the PUD again was to try and maintain natural vegetation wherever practical, especially in areas where it over overlapped with uh, conservation land. So, I think we paired that together really really well. Um, as we work our way down into the east, so

directly south of the parking lot, you you had mentioned this is this is an apple orchard town. So, we're providing an apple orchard. Uh there is three different varieties uh for the purposes of appropriate uh propagation. We have Kland, Honey Crisp and Macintosh. Uh the idea is this can be an event for the employees. They can pick their own apples and it really ties and pays homage to the apple orchard nature of the town of Londereerry. Now what we've done is along the western side of that to provide a smooth transition to that existing forested area is we framed it with native aelas and evergreens that really soften that edge. Um you can see there are also additional evergreens along the southerntherly portion. So it really kind of provides that intimate um element to a site that you don't regularly see. This this area of the development is approximately 20 acres. So it gave us the opportunity to really work with those spaces. Um what we have is a clover understory underneath those trees. Uh allows us to really minimize the amount of maintenance that's required when it comes to the need for mowing. So again, we're we're coming up with a cost-effective solution that ties to the town and provides an added benefit not only of it being attractive um but a potential even um for the employees uh that work here which we thought was just really special. Now, uh I should mention within that existing forest pocket, uh we have maple, we have oak, um and well as sassifrass as the overstory. There is some smaller trees that represent that understory that we can evaluate, but it should as it grows out, um have the opportunity to really overframe those native Aelas that we're planting and just provide this really cool layered textured approach so that when you're looking outside of these uh glass windows, you're not staring into a parking lot. It's as if you're staring

into a park. Um, that sounds like a pretty serene way uh to work your day. I wish I had a better view from my office, which is an interior wall. Uh, I'll have to keep working harder to get that window seat, I suppose. Um, as we continue to work our way further south, um, and this was open, this was mentioned at our opening when we were talking about the building. This is the employee entrance. Uh, immediately to the right of that, we have a very much park-like setting. Um, again, you can see the curve linear nature. This is really hard for me because I'm an engineer and I love straight lines. Um, but Ken Slinsky has done an awesome job of reminding me, you know, the quickest point, uh, quickest distance between points, two points isn't always a straight line. We have to look at a little bit of the aesthetics of this. Uh, this is really fun. What we've provided, not only with that curved linear patio, is some smaller flowering trees on the interior. again providing shade, providing that intimacy of space so that as people are having their lunch or otherwise, they're not necessarily right on top of each other. Um, as we work our way outside of that ark, we have more medium to large shade trees uh with shrub massings to create again a space separate from that parking lot. um because of the proximity, we had to be very careful at our about our selections um to make sure that we're we're providing that inclave for folks and it's not the equivalent of um you know, you're having an outdoor dinner in Manchester and somebody's pulling up their car right beside you on the street. Um this really doesn't this really gets away from that type of methodology. Now, as we work our way further into the parking lot, you can see we have incorporated landscape islands. Uh these again are consistent with our PUD. All right, these mouse settings are a little different than what I'm used to. Um again, uh flowering trees, shrubs, so we're providing varying colors. Um one of the other things that's really cool of this, um so it's a cross-section of colors from really brilliant red to our

orange to our yellows, but we also have different silhouettes and textures. So, you know, when we look at the different types of silhouettes, uh the umbrella type form where we have our elm trees, uh the ovalsque when we're looking at our oaks and our maples, uh more circular when we're looking at our tupelos, um we have triangular. So, it really provides this just great cross-section of of different elements um throughout this area, very much consistent with our PUB. uh the the orchard. I'm I'm just thrilled to talk about it because I think it was such a fun element to be able to add to this. Um plantings that are within the parking lot, salt tolerant. Uh these are native or native improved species. Um and I mentioned the lilacs that frame up our entryway into our employee parking lot. Uh we have our perimeter trees around our parking lot again consistent with what the expectations are of the PUD. And those those are our plantings that are going to have the opportunity to grow and mature. Um, from a pictorial standpoint, these are shown about 75% of their growth. So, when we start to envision what this is going to look like, pun intended, um, as this grows in, uh, the the shading, the the resiliency against concerns with uh, heat island effect, it it checks all those boxes that we're looking for. Um, on the smaller islands, we provide smaller flowering trees so that we're not overwhelming the area. Um, you can see that there are other little squares throughout the parking lot. So, those are LE LED downcast lights, uh, dark sky compliant. Um, what are some other things I wanted to talk to you about? Uh, just the plant pallet in general is consistent with all of the other elements of the village on technology hill. we have similar plantings um in similar locations. So again it provides that uniformity between our residential and leasing section are our our retail

and child care um onpoint and the manufacturing onpoint and the manufacturer are really the baby brother of the envision building. So what we've done is taken not only that architecture but also that landscaping and progressed it to a higher level. Um you'll see that there is more landscaping in this area. Um it frames the building very nicely. As gorgeous as a building as it is, um there aren't that many direct sight lines. You'll certainly have it as you approach the entryway coming up in Vision Drive where we have our flag banks um and really that that primary entrance way um to the building. If I jump back to that. So that we're we're making that a focal point and that's where we see those wood tones um those things that we talk about about really wanting to see in the town of Londereerry. So there was just some things that we were excited about. Um the other element I'll make sure I mention is really the perimeter plantings. So these hatched areas are the wildlife conservation mix. Again, something that provides a natural transition from our built to our natural environment. Um so we'll see different flowering masses within those areas. It also allows for reduced mowing. Some of these are some fairly steep slopes. Uh if you hearken back to our original discussion of the PUB, we had 120 linear feet of grade drop from the northeast to the southwest quadrant. A lot of that takes place in this northeast quadrant of the site. Um so we do have some retaining walls. Uh the max height of those approximately 30 feet. Uh and that's directly behind the building and then that tapers to zero as we go in either direction. Um interconnecting sidewalks. Uh we are a walkable community. You'll see that there are sidewalks obviously through uh the limits of the parking lot. There are sidewalks that then project to the visitors area. There are sidewalks that then take you down into the residential area. And since we had the opportunity to, we also provided an interconnection here with an opportunity to get us out to Insight Way, which then provides

connection to the on-point and manufacturing building as well as potential uh access to the other residential sections. So, I think we've held true to our expectations of the PUB about it being an interconnected walkable community. Uh, questions. I threw a lot at you there. Mr. Chair, the thought

uh have a comment for uh I guess the sort of landscape gaping plan here um that might go along with the stonework that you guys are looking to have. I'm wondering if the applicant might be amendable to including a one- foot stone wall by the employee entrance and going along the sidewalk and going out both directions to try and, you know, have bit of that stonework, but it's not physically on the building, but it's in that area. Okay. And I was noticing on the elevation plans, you have about a 1 foot or more

up from the start of the sidewalk all the way up to that patio. So, I thought that might also alleviate some of the um you know uh the elevation draw up. You can make that more of a flatter plane. Okay. Um so, the area we're talking about is in front of the patio. Did I hear you correctly? Yeah. probably doesn't need to go the whole way, but uh up into that first sidewalk, there possibly be a little bit of a framed element there. Let's evaluate that. Um if we can tie that to the other components of the building in a manner, right, that's justifiable. I think that's a reasonable request. Let me review that with the ownership. Yeah. Okay,

that sounds reasonable. Do you guys have a a monument signed in front of this building? Not yet. So, there will be a full design uh lighting or sign signage package that will come along with this. Uh there will be a primary monument sign as you you come in off of insight way from a Kiraway and the expectation is as you approach the Envision building really this corner right here it will be a primary monument sign as well um we're working on something special for that. So we'll we're we'll be excited to bring that one in front of you in the in the future. But there'll be a turnkey uh signage package that will address those elements in the future.

Okay. I only asked because I was thinking of that as like another opportunity potentially to tie to tie things together, right? Like whether it would be a stonebased monument or something like that. But um yeah, see see what the ownership thinks about what we were just talking about. That that might be a good compromise, I think. Sure. Can I understand what we're talking we're coming down that path and then around that import plat patio. Is that what you're talking about? So I'd leave that up here. Coming out here and going to the first sidewalk. Just ending at that first sidewalk.

You have a one foot elevation from the sidewalk that goes up to the patio. Okay. Just like one foot tall stone wall. Okay. C or something. We could turn it into an architectural feature. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe it's an added seated seating location and we can incorporate some other elements to it. Well, that's what I was thinking on. If you want creative on the patio pad, that might be an added seated place. It's like the equivalent of people sitting on the stairs of the courthouse having their lunch. We can provide some other seating opportunities. If it was like retaining wall block with a cap or something like that, it would be perfect.

Um, you saw me uh flipping through this as fast as I could earlier. This is our PUB. Um, I did want to read one element and I think it might help us um when we're talking about the the design of the building. Um, so for the Envision building, the larger Envision building represents a bold departure from traditional New England architecture norms, aiming to redefine the essence of a modern New England village. The driving concept behind the design is to create a modern mill, one that pays homage to the region's industrial heritage while embracing contemporary materials and architectural elements. Um, the building's facade will feature a harmonious fusion. um of various elements. Exterior wall panels in GRA glass marry and form and function in a strikingly modern way. The large glass expanses, although unconventional in the context of a traditional New England village, are strategically incorporated to flood the interior with natural light, promoting a sense of transparency and connectivity within the workspace. So, the elements, this one's still working, those ones are off. um the elements that I describe and I feel like the building that we are looking at are consistent. Um the intent was for it to be a striking and modern building which I think Christina and her team have created. So if we look at it just from the context of the PUD, I feel like we did hit that mark. Um but the comment relative to are there some other elements to the site that we might be able to incorporate that then draws it together with the remainder of the village are good points. So, we will evaluate that option and see what we can do to incorporate it. I think there's some good opportunities there.

I believe one of the owners are here. I'd like to hear from him. Come to the mic, please. Come to the mic, sir. Come to the mic. Come on down, Ken. Just introduce yourself. You can either sit there or pull up a seat right here. Thank you. So, Ken Sinsky, I think it's fair to say I represent Diona. Um,

yes, boss. If you could flip back to the building elevations in particular the one start with the one. So what we did try to keep consistency and some themes going through. So it does it is a part of the village but is as Nick was saying it is intended this is a technology village and it's it's intended to convey the fact that we're we're a high-tech company and the customers who visit us expect to be be visiting a high-tech company. But if you look at this detail, this is the wood that was mentioned very briefly. This is consistent with the entrances to the residential buildings. And there's also, you know, wood on on the um retail building. And there's some wood features on the child care. But this this look is taken from the residential buildings. And if you go to the um if you go to the employee entrance, same thing. This wood is consistent with what we did at the entrances to those um to the to the residential building. So, we are we we do have a theme running through it. the the issue with the with the stone at the bottom. We wanted a clean modern look and you know there's fish in there that's foul but you try to miss mix fish and foul you get something that's you know not very attractive and we didn't want to you know we were aware of it but we deliberately said in this building it doesn't work. We certainly can look at an architectural sculpting in the land to to to bring in some wood and we certainly can look at that.

Thank you, Ken. I think that's a pretty healthy compromise. If we can add in some architectural elements that'll do that, that would be amazing. And I almost forgot there is a plethora of bike racks which can be seen both at the employee entrance as well as the visitor. You had us at Apple. All right. I was hoping that was the case. We were so excited about that in our office. I think you might have missed your calling. God, where were you when I needed toilet paper salespeople? Sorry.

But uh I I'm excited to see your guys' response. I know Ken is um and Christina like this this is such a trademark building. Um I I hope this is a building people are talking about in a positive light 20 30 years from now. Nick, just a a question on the original design. Did we have solar on the roof? We did and we will on this one as well. Um it is just not shown for graphical purposes so that we can get a good feel for the building. It looks like a perfect uh level ground for it too. So if I could, that is screening around um that's around the top. Yes. So that will be screening the solar panels, but the intention is to pretty much fill that roof as much as we can. There will be mechanical equipment in the very center.

If I'm not mistaken, this building's actually at like the tallest point. So correct, you really can't see what's on the roof anywhere. No. Right. Yeah. It sits at about elevation 430 and approximately 42 feet tall. Yeah. and take it. You'll have proper drainage on the top of the building so that it won't be running off the side of your building. Yes, it's an internal roof drain system which will discharge to a header system on this side which is then fed through a combination of pipes to subsurface systems and outfalls to a positive. Last thing you want is all your glass getting dirty on the front.

I agree. That was one of the things we talked about. So the the uh the points you guys raise it's always refreshing to hear because these are things that are coming up in our design meetings. Now that you softened us up a little bit, do you have some renderings of the foundation building? Not yet. Okay. Um, but that has not changed from from the PUD and that does have stone at the base surrounding the elevator tube, if you will. So, we always got to leave them hanging a little bit, Ken. So, more to come.

Uh, we'll see where that one goes next. But uh there are you know this is our our our fifth offering of the the village on technology hill plan unit development. Uh we do still have the the foundation building to come. There's still the opportunity for other manufacturing buildings. Uh this is this has been a great project. So I'm great to see everybody tonight and we've got a little bit of homework to go back and and do some research and we'll uh we'll apply that to our plans as part of the design review. Foundation 13 November. I'm sorry. 13th November. Oh jeez. And can't let him sit up here. Can I mention it? Go ahead, sir.

Um 13th November, we've confirmed with Kelly we're going to be doing a ribbon cutting on the bridge. Um so we expect Kelly and we're going to be inviting, you know, obviously town officials and and other state state. What day is that again? What's that? What day is that again? 13th November. It's a Mon. It's a Monday or a Tuesday, I think. If you can get that information to Kelly so that she can discern that out to the board. Sure. Do you know what time on that date? I think it's 2 o'clock. So, we'll make sure we forward some invites. Um I feel everybody else is just as integral to this process as we are. So, I'd love to be there. And that's the bridge that's coming from the current um the retail and child careers.

Yep. Exactly. It's a Thursday. A Thursday. Thank you. Thursday. All right. I would say we're getting close. I hope so. Much closer. We have one building left.

So, we have the foundation building and then there is an opportunity for other manufacturing uses on the 12 acre parcel that we haven't really touched. Um, it's all been consolidated in one, but it was previously its own lot. So, there's we're we continue to evaluate the project and look to see how we can best meet the community's needs. Uh, but as of right now, yeah, this is this is the next opportunity. I ideally this can start you know, with the earth work as soon as possible and foundations in the spring and probably about a two-year build. So, by 2028, we're looking to see that moved into this. So, stay tuned.

As far as uh order of of building, are you guys planning on trying to do everything at once or starting with residential? Like, where do you You got to come on the 13th and see. It It looks a little different. Um is it going to be food? the I'm just kidding. It's not even always ask why not. Um the retail building is constructed. Um we've leveled the ground for the childcare area. Uh we have multiple residential buildings under construction. Uh several of the foundations poured. We're already going vertically. Okay. Um so kind of going in order of the submissions as they've been rolling along.

Correct. Got it. And in part our construction manager, um North Branch Construction has been doing an awesome job. They have got everything mapped out. Uh they're running ahead of schedule. So hopefully we can continue in that capacity. Okay, good news. Yeah, good news for tonight. All right. Um uh notes from this uh I just wrote suggest adding hardscape architectural elements to the design uh to tie other buildings and PUD uh together. Other than that, sounds great. Thanks for your time, Joe. I think we can get to a compromise. I think so, too. I think so, too. We We'll find a Not going to say where or how it works, but leave it up to you. Got it.

We'll we have a good team. We'll work it out. I know you guys have been working out. Thank you for letting me commandeer the equipment. Absolutely. Thank you. I want to teach the tall.

Yeah, we can uh help us out, Nick, at all these meetings. All right. How about that? If I'm I'm here and you're you're you're in need, I'll take care of it for the other applicants next. I'll send them a

Okay, that wraps up our applications for tonight. Um, moving on to other business. We have eliminated most of these. However, um the one thing that I think we could still discuss is uh the Reverend Morrison's meeting house and whether or not we should uh list in the New Hampshire State Register. Um I've read up on this a little bit, but Dr. Ellis, I'd defer to you, I think. Um Well, I'm not going to get into the history of it. We've beat that debt. Yeah, of course. Um the state has looked at the property. Mhm.

And they've looked at the history and they said, "Okay, it's eligible." If you fill in, if you submit an application, have it listed, it then has to go to council for approval. So, it's likely to be some while before you see anything happen anyway.

Yeah. The advantage of being on the list is aside from the publicity, it puts you a little further up the towards the top of the queue if you decide to apply for any financial grants. Now, it doesn't encumber what the town does to that property at all. uh you can request to be delisted anytime you want or if you do something that degrades it to such a point that it's no longer historically significant, the state may say, "Oh, we're delisting it." But that doesn't stop you doing that. Um, in terms of what you do, somebody uh did mention to me they were concerned that the act of listing it made any work more expensive.

Mhm. Um, I don't believe that's true. There, if you look at it, there are three types of thing that you can do. You can do a try to restore it in a way that brings it back to some previous historic value. that is likely to be expensive.

Uh you could do simple maintenance just retaining the status quo doesn't degrade from it doesn't enhance it. An example might be I mean the roof needs doing I gather. It's got a shingle roof at the moment. If you replace it with another shingle roof, you aren't going to damage it historically. You aren't going to enhance it. It's a neutral act. and putting a single roof on shouldn't be any more expensive whether it's listed or not. Uh shouldn't be uh I can't think why it would be. The other thing you can do would be work that actually degrades the property. And that's then the state isn't going to watch and see, but they might learn of that at some point later and say, "Well, what you did is sufficient that it's no longer valid."

Dr. Ellis, can you go into why the state has deemed this property eligible? Because from the reports that we had received, the only historical items was the vault and some parts of the tin roof that is right now inside the building. So, are they claiming that those two items qualify the building?

Sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble hearing over here. Rob, let me step down here. Um, use this one. I was hoping that you could go into detail more about why the state is claiming that this building qualifies when our most recent reports that we've gotten back stated that the only historical of significant items are the vault and the tin roof items that are in the ceiling. Is that what the state's going by or are they talking about other items going by the overall history? There was a report if you pull up the Yeah, I've read the report that it it gave you the categories. There were four possible categories.

So even though that the most recent report that was done by the independent investigator that the town hired said the only historical significant items are the vault and the tin roof. The state's not looking at that. They would have considered those. They have also considered other things. Okay. I'm just worried that it's not from the independent investigators that it's not hitting historical referenced items. And my big worry as well is if we do put a historical item and go for historical grants, most likely those materials will cost more money than having normal construction costs.

If you try to restore it and increase its historic value, yes. Okay. But uh if you just maintain the status quo, well the the status quo right now is quite deficient and for us to put the building to operational standards that it should be for a town building, we'd most likely get even further out of that historical uh designation.

I don't think necessarily that's true. I mean, you've got the floors you want to work on. That isn't going to affect it one way or the other. The roof could be replaced. That is going to affect it one way or the other.

And I I guess I'd want to hear more from the state on that because it seems like a lot of the items that we would need to do to bring this building up to code and to be a usable building by the town, we'd probably be losing a lot of the historical uh evidence that the building still has. And I'd want to get someone representative from the state and have their opinion upon what changes do we do to the building then all of a sudden we fall out and as well you know are you going if we did go qualify for any of your grants how would that then affect us financially on this building?

Well that's the grants are independent of the listing. Any grant that you get, anytime the town takes a grant, it often has incumbrances with it. Yeah. There's a lot more red tape that goes along with those grants. Uh if we've got grants for conservation work, those come with criteria. Yeah. Whether you accept that grant or not,

that still doesn't matter. Doesn't affect the listing of it. You could list it. If you want to accept the grant, you accept the encumbrance that comes with it. If you don't accept the grant, then you don't get the incumbrance. But, uh, well, I think things for people to probably think isn't really related to the grant. You you'd get that incumbrance whether it was listed or not, right? But you wouldn't qualify for that grant if you weren't listed though, right? You wouldn't maybe not. Okay. I'm not sure how you would qualify for that grant if you weren't a historical building.

You may not, but then you don't have to apply. You don't have to accept the grant. That's a decision that you make independent. You're trying to bundle. You're conflating two things. Not entirely. Because if you're trying to go for this historical uh designation on the building, most likely then you would try to go then for historical grant money. That is one of the benefits. That is one of the benefits. It's a benefit but also a negative at the same time. And there could also be more negatives with all the red tape and the increased expenses.

To apply for the grant, you can still be listed. This is true, but I'm not sure what would be the point of then having the historical recognition recognition. But if there's not much recognition anymore of the building because the building's been changed so many times and not much of historical properties are left in the building. Uh that's not the opinion of the people that of the state when they looked at it. I mean then I'd want to have someone from the state to actually come here and explain it then. Did the did the state produce a report on it when they looked at it? It was in the package. That's also in the package. I mean, we also had an independent investigator look at the building and they found that there was barely any historical

Well, Ted, can I could I ask is it what's in the building or what the building once was? It is what the building once was and some of the stuff of the building itself, the structure of the building. Um, let me see if I can find the So, why don't we just Why don't we have the state and explain it to us? So, we have this package include Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at.

We have a state report versus out. Yeah, I think it's better to have uh someone from the state come in because we could either hear or we've done zoom with uh you know various state agencies question and I don't think so. Has the state ever been in to talk? Yeah, this is the evaluation record. It's in the package here about that building. Yes. Yeah. No, not that I know of.

Qualified under criteria A and criteria C. Oh, Nadine Miller had been down. This is when we were meeting in the Sunny Quest room uh more to talk about our certified local government status, what we need to do for for that. That's another funding process. I had some info for Kelly so that we can still we need to get a letter of intent in by the 1 of October. CG. I think I think we should have the state come in. Yeah,

we haven't had them come in. Well, I think they should also be looking at the new document that was presented to the town council and to the town by the independent um investigator of the property with their building. What were the credentials of this? I mean, why are you questioning the state versus an independent Because I if the state hasn't even been inside the building to actually look at the building, I feel like that's that's a problem if they haven't even seen the building when this person has actually gone inside every nook and cranny of the building. Well, does the state go in? I don't know. Or they just the history of it. Then we go back to let's have the state come in here. Yeah. Let's talk to them.

Talk to them. Get them to read the report first. We can give them the report. Say we'd like you to come in and talk to us. Here's the reports that we have. Yeah. Come in and tell us, you know, what our options are.

If you pull up page page 15 of the materials, that is the statement by the state regarding its historic significance. Further further on the pictures of the inside too. Right down at the end. It's almost the last item that they put in the package. That's it. Bit a little bit further down. Keep going. Yeah, I see it. Yeah.

Yeah. Eligible for listing for its historical and architectural significance as well as association with the Reverend Morrison. uh meeting house retains sufficient integrity to convey its historic importance despite the application of vinyl siding and small rear editions. The period of significance is from 1770 to 1975. the boundary would have to exclude the pavilion. So they would not consider the pavilion as part of it.

Mr. chairman. Yes, sir. Just a different angle and this this could conceivably be done at the same time. Um having someone perhaps from the state speak to us I think is great.

Um but I would propose or suggest to the group that um I think we're out of sequence here. Uh we're talking about adding this building uh to the the list of historic buildings in in the state. Um, and I don't think we know yet whether the town even once we've done that, I don't think we know if the town wants to pay to put the building in shape so that it basically doesn't fall down in the next couple of years.

Um, I, you know, I think if you walk up to anybody on the street and you ask, "What do you think about preserving the the Morrison house?" They're going to go, "Yes." and and and what do you feel? How do you feel about spending? The two numbers I saw from 2022 was 1.2 million

from this past spring, 1.5 million. And we've got tariffs and all kinds of nonsense on top of that now. So, um I think what we should possibly consider is uh I saw a proposed motion and and that could be put on hold until, you know, we hear from the state or anybody else that wants to educate us on this. Um, but I would suggest that any proposed motion would be conditioned on, frankly, Ted, the town council saying we're going forward with a warrant article on this for 1.5 million to fix up that building. And if that building does and then after that warrant article is voted on, if the taxpayers say we're willing to do that, it's important enough, then let's put it on the register and do everything we can.

Not before that. One of the reasons though that we're looking at putting it on the register is specifically because we could free up grant money that would help us with that. I don't you know what again you have to give the tag there. Even though they put slush money into these both of those estimates they have to because when you start to rip apart an old building like this you notice you're going to find lots of you're going to find all kinds of stuff. Okay. and and plus those were done before they knew about the mold situation in the building and and I'm sorry I there was a discussion about pests rampant through the building too at this point. Okay. So

we may find maybe a specialist throughout the building that we take care of.

Who knows? Okay. Who knows? But you know a building that old and particularly when you look at the kind of work that was done on it and I'm not knocking anybody. I'm just saying, you know, vinyl, siding, uh maybe the floor joists weren't done quite correctly. You know, the kind of work, there's going to be a lot of correction in there. Okay. Um and so I I think you put a number like 1.5 million on on a on a warrant article and or as a bond or however they want to do it. Um and see how the folks feel and then meanwhile we get ourselves educated, find out what we what we need to know. Dr. I am absolutely in favor of preserving this building, but I don't want to spend a whole bunch of time on it if the folks in town aren't going to pay for it.

And if the voters actually approve 1.5 and there's magically grant money that comes up, well then maybe that 1.5 gets reduced by at some point. Oh my gosh. Government delivers something below the budget originally proposed. But the way that the state is going with cutting funds left and right, I don't trust that the money will not going to be much in the way of grant money there. No. So I don't want to it's harmless to list it and just let it sit. In the email exchange position is being cut, right? Yeah. Which doesn't bode well for Say it again. Sorry. Um in the email exchange, one of the positions of the person you were talking to, they said, "My position is being cut in July."

So this the state So that doesn't bode well that there's even going to be money, right? It's not money for that was I mean one consideration should be if you if you go ahead and list it then you are going to get more interest from the town's people in preserving it or spending money.

Uh David I suggest to you respectfully that's a trap. Okay. Because then if we decide maybe the town's people don't approve the warrant article. Okay. And now we've got this historic building that's listed that the town people have said they're not going to pay. And our next decision at that point may very well be knocking the thing down. Okay? If you're not going to fix it, at some point it has to come down. But being lifted doesn't prevent you doing that.

Do you know what? I don't want to stand in front of 50 people that feel as passionately as you do and say it's time for us to knock the building down. Be You know, we get slaughtered. I'm not interested in that. I think that that would be heresy, Jim. Doesn't that seem like a huge amount of money? Well, it all depends upon what they have to do. I mean, there's certain things that need to get done. So, electrical kitchen, there's not there's a lot of handicap accessibility that needs to happen. Yeah,

the bigger problem too is in order to make it actually back to its historical significance, sometimes they require materials that are not readily available or that cost a lot of money in order to restore. That's that's where I could certainly see you don't have to bring it back to some better condition. It's already in a sufficient The problem will be some people in town may say, "Oh, you made this a historical designated building. We need to do this now. We have to build it this way. Got you. What degree of historical authenticity we want that building?

Well, particularly where we really don't have the game plan for what's going to happen to the building after after if and after we fix it. Okay, that that has yet to be determined. Okay. So, um I I believe you there are so many pitfalls on this whole thing that I don't I don't think we can realistically vote on this at this point. I know we're not doing it tonight either, Mr. Chair, but yeah. No,

but but I I just don't see it happening till we have a clear direction from the town's people and from the town council on that's what we want to do. Okay. We want to spend money there. I mean Dave Wallally I think was planning on being here but one of the questions I would have for him is I have these two estimates they really neither one of them deals with making the buildings ADA compliant. Okay. And there may be there may be a pass on that if you list them historically. That's that's there's some reference to one of them did one of them did for ADA. Yeah. Okay. But I think the other one did state a lot of the ADA compliance items that are not that are deficient right now and what it would cost to even get them up there.

Well, the question at the town council meeting, one of them won what one of the statements was we whatever we put out there, it has to be under a million dollars. Okay. Right. I don't see that get there because the two estimates were above that and let alone where we need to be for actually making that building operationally for uh state and town standards for a town owned building for the general public to access. You need to have a lot of that ADA compliance in there and a million dollars just won't even get us there. Well, it could also, you know, destroy some of the uh historic accuracy in there. So it's kind of like damned if you do.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know it's you know we all want to preserve it but gee how you know and to what degree of the historical authenticity we want to go on the other hand is the usability of it by public. Maybe it could be more of a historic building and restricted for public access.

Well then one of the things I haven't seen Art is what is the operation cost of that building going forward. If we do that, we spend the x number of dollars to put the building in a restricted situation and then we have whatever the ongoing maintenance costs thereafter and that should be out there for for everybody to see. So that you know that you know what you don't want is you don't want folks buying a pig and a poke here. Okay? and and you know, hey, we're only going to spend a half a million dollars to get the building in a restricted situation, but then it's going to cost us $100,000 or $200,000 a year thereafter. I don't think that's where we want to go.

As some people have said, you don't want to put lipstick on a pig. That's just going to get even worse.

A little more conversation than you wanted, Mr. Chair. No, no. This is this is what we have to talk about. So that's why I brought it up because I think it's a start. No, in order. So the one thing I think we're missing is information from the state. Oh yeah. About what are the benefits, what are the pitfalls, and what grant money is available, what can we do with it, what would be required for us to be able to use this building. Um, I think that would all be good information to have as well for them to review the newest report that came out.

And as far as I'm aware, it would be free, right, to have to ask at least to see if a representative of the state could come sit with us and just talk through some of this stuff. At a minimum, it just gives us more information and costs nothing. So I don't to me seems about a single entity in the state. There's the bo the body that does the listing is completely independent of the body that does the where grants come from. They come from different places. So

I think it would also be handy to have the woman who did the recent investigation of the building come before us too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean DHR is the can tell you about uh the the listing, but that's all fairly well understood. I think it's it's pretty straightforward on the website. It's not a lengthy read. The grant situation depends, it varies from time to time on what money is available. And as we pointed out at the moment there's very little money available. So the advantage of being listed would be only to achieve publicity.

I take it keeps the door open if you want to. That's the Argo go for money. Argo I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just making sure you saw that. I can back to the chairman and have you guys disperse that again if you hadn't seen that. I haven't seen that I noticed that document is not in our Yeah, I was just going to say the one the one that I've seen is this one and uh there were a couple other documents forwarded by the town manager. Yeah, back I was looking at but Okay. So, yeah, if you have it available and you can send it out.

Yeah, I'll send it back to you and so you can disperse to the you can distribute it to all of us. I think it's getting more information is what we we need. Can I send that report to everybody in the commission without a 91A problem? Yes, you can. As long as there's no comments coming back, he's the chair. What you have to do is blind uh blind carpet copyc everybody and then then put your name in as as two. So that keeps us one step away from having a meeting. Yeah. Having a meeting. All right.

Could we at least tonight and I know there'll be something maybe at that special meeting in October, but um what what I would propose I get there's no motion tonight. So I would propose that um the the suggested motion that was in our package um that was the town council I think which is very similar to what we'd have to do. I think that's premature. Okay. Um at this point and um and maybe we can put that off till we've both done whatever investigation education we have to do. Um and maybe get the other guy maybe for October would be Dave Wallally.

Okay. Um yeah, you had mentioned he was supposed to be here tonight to discuss but because staff was not present, we kind of nixed it. But I wanted to at least get the ball rolling so we could start talking through what we thought we should do, especially since town council has deferred to us to to kind of give them guidance. And and it would be nice to know if Dave can do this from the two sets of numbers he's got to minimally open the building. What would the cost be? Maybe that would be a nice number to have. I'm I'm not sure it's the number I put on a Warren article, but it would be good for the group to know. Yeah. Again, I think you can extract from the archive report.

Maybe there's some things in there that could be deferred. Okay. To lessen the impact. That Argo report at 1.2 million. That That's I'm sorry. 1.5 I think. 1.5. You're right.

Yeah. Um, I was talking to John Farrell offline and he seemed to think that if you can keep it down under keep it under a million by making a doing sort of things like the structural and maybe you're going to do the heat heating AC to deal with the mold problem and that you hold off on other things and then take another bite of it in another year. The problem with that is we've seen time and time again if you push things down another year or two, they get even more expensive. Oh, I agree with you. I' I'd like to see it done up front, but uh we've seen it happen. Town buildings and school buildings. Yeah,

they only get more expensive. I think of the two reports, the archive one is a lot more realistic than the uh Winston Samson report. The uh the archive report is the one you were just talking about. Yeah. Back in July. Yeah. The restoration of the West Paris Church at East Derry is probably about now is a 15-year project. Still going going on. 15 years. Yeah. And I mean they're restoring it to the authentic uh you know history. I can't imagine how much that's escalated in price over time. Oh, I'm sure it has significantly. Yeah. I'd love to see what that original cost was.

Yeah. And and I mean and the fundraising still goes on because the dairyfest they had the booth and everything uh you know to push fundraising. I mean it's one of the things I mean we could do here but we have to have something significant that people or even to find a benevolent uh you know you know wealthy individual would you know what the one problem art frankly with fundraising for this kind of capital is it dries up all the other donation capital in the town for every other thing you might want to do

if you knocked down enough doors trying to I'll speak from experience get money to fix the town signs for example okay and you hear I've already given to this guy or I already don't donate to that guy the well is only so deep and then we fail at the war article for $10,000 for Amen. Amen. I couldn't believe that one failed. Yeah, I I can believe that, John. It's you're actually dipping from the same same pool as everyone else is. Whether people are donating to the council in the common or to the recreation town or something else.

This would, as you said, get up all the rest of that money and everything else. Then I think you get get donations or or a big donation of something that you could have strings attached to it. Well, those bigger donations are most likely going to the school district. Didn't we okay a new police sign a while ago? Thought we did a a sign for the police outside. I thought we did a thought we did. I thought I remembered. No, the lit sign on the side of the building. I thought Yeah, I thought whatever it was, you know, stone or whatever to get rid of that. It was a sign. It was used to be a sign for

Well, I mean, you know, a new one. So, they got rid of that electronic thing, which is I think it's been talked about, but nothing approved. I thought I remember I remember the same with the rocks on the side. I guess they still have the same lit sign on the side of the building that always has one. She means down by the road. Okay. Right. Yeah. Where the entrance is for the police. Portable measures measures sign which is against the rules, right? We're not supposed to have electronics, but it's town property. Yeah. Town doesn't have to obey the rules. An example kind of how the police can speed.

Well, the same situation why we approve the electronic sign for the school. School. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we requested no flashing, which was good. Right. You can only flash once every 24 hours, I think. Literally. Oh. Oh, you're just being funny or No, I think that was part part of it because so they would leave it would stay consistent so it wouldn't be changing all the time. Okay. Yep. They have to leave it the same for 24 hours. All right. So just in the interest of progressing this topic right for the October meeting, do we have any suggestions for how we can try to progress this?

I think to progress this forward would be to have Mr. Li come before us, have the woman who provided the ARCO report come for us and hopefully someone from the state so that we can get a better clarity upon this building. and any role of significance anymore.

I also have to think with all the grants and all the grant money that gets provided to people who have listed properties that there's got to be maybe not an authority but somebody out there. this from Argo. She which is why they came before us from the uh committee that was established. They selected her because she had experience with actually finding these grant monies. So

she may know more on the state level if there is any money left for granting at all. As it was noted in the emails that that whole department was either being eliminated or defunded. I think it'll be a good start. Yes. Okay. Yes. Mark forwarded um you forwarded around an email, didn't you, about state funding things.

Basically, what it said was there's very little of anything. I think that the only thing they they said that they might fund is something like master plan work if you wanted to include historic preservation in your master plan. Yeah. Very I think very very little. Yeah. right now for I've talked with with Kelly about it and we're going to try to get a at least what we can do is get a letter of intent in to apply for this grant but all those grants have to come with a a matching part of it also. Yeah, that's assuming if we get a grant.

But in the present financial climate, I think it's highly unlikely you'll get any grants whether or not you lift it. All right, we'll start with just trying to get people in here to give us information. The more information we have, the better we can try to come to a conclusion. All right, I'll uh I'll talk to Dave Wallally. Uh I'll look up that Argo report after you send it to me. I'll find the provider. We'll ask her to come in. Um, and I'll look for a state representative to see if somebody's available to come give us information. And if not, we'll deal with what we have. Okay. Motion to adjourn. Close it. You've got like 30 seconds before

30 seconds at the mouth. So 30 seconds. Next Saturday. Not this Saturday. Next Saturday. February or whatever the month. September. October 4, I think that is. October. Yes. uh beautify London Derry townwide cleanup. We're starting out in front of Matthew Thornton School. We'll have free apples for Max for you. Uh if you want to turn out and pick up uh your street or some street in in town here, great opportunity to bring the kids, the grandkids out, you know, whatever you feel like doing. I just want to make sure everybody's aware of it. Again, motion to adjurnn. So, y and I have a second. It's seconded. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed say nay. The eyes have it.