Fiscal Court - Regular Meeting

live and online our Magistrate Tyler Davenport is with this virtual proper notification was made for that to happen let's start with approval of minutes make a motion to approve the minutes as presented second I have a motion and a second is there any discussion not roll call please Davenport yes Goodwin yes Wilcott yes Harper yes Crawford yes Bolden yes Baker yes next up we have a special guest here kids on the blocks to present to the court we have Miss Amanda and Miss Sarah and I assume they have friends ah yes friends yay Oh, friend, not friends. Single. Gotcha.

So for those of y'all who don't know who we are, we are Kids on the Block. We're an educational puppet group. So we travel the state and we present puppet programs to K-6 grade students.

We currently have 10 program topics for mental health, child abuse prevention, substance use prevention, all

Sarah Kitchens, I'm the Grants Manager and Executive Assistant here. And I'll turn it over to Amanda Auer, Director of Puppets.

Okay, so this is one of our puppets. This is Steven. He's in our Child Abuse Prevention Programs. And, you know, a lot of people might think that we're just fun little programs to go in and educate or to entertain children, but our programs reach deeper into education. And they really do have a lasting impact on children. And so I want to share a couple little stories following our programs. So I have Steven here with me today. He is in our child abuse prevention program. He was with me the day that we did some child abuse prevention programs at an elementary school for children in K through 6th grade. Following that program, about a week after that, the guidance counselor called us and he told me that they had two children that disclosed they were being abused. They both came separately and disclosed the abuse. But come to find out, those two children were from the same family and they were both being sexually abused by their mother. those children were removed from the home and then when we went back to that school a little later I got an update that those children had been removed from the home and the children were now with a different family they before had behavioral issues when they were at school those behavioral issues were gone and the children were making good grades and thriving so that's the kind of impact that our programs can have on children they can help children feel safe and get out of dangerous situations. Another story that we had from this school year was we were presenting our substance use prevention program at a school for fourth and fifth grade children. That program obviously teaches children about substances, how harmful they are to your body, and obviously we don't want children to try them. But we also teach that they can always talk to an adult they feel safe with. And so following that program, we had a child come forward and she told one of our puppeteers that her parents were arguing all the time and she was really upset and she didn't know what to do and she also then went on to say that she had started stealing she didn't want to steal she knew it was wrong but she didn't know how to stop and so our puppeteers were able to get her to the counselor so the counselor could help her figure out what she needed to do for herself and you know how to help her family And so our puppets really do have an impact. They reach children where they are, because our puppets are different characters, but they each play a vital role in helping children understand what to do in difficult situations. And so we want to be able to continue to offer our programs. We travel the whole state, but we want to make sure we're in Logan County presenting our programs.

You're going to use your puppet for us?

Oh, you want to? See, this is why Sarah didn't want to have a puppet. She said, I'm going to have puppeteer. She said, they tried to make me use a puppet for you last night. My name is Steven, and I'm actually in the child abuse prevention program.

And I was abused. You might notice I have this scar here on my chin and on my arm.

That's because my mom, she used to abuse me. But I told my teacher, and I got the help that I needed. And my mom, she got to go to counseling, and she doesn't hurt me anymore. So this is just one of our characters. We have 22 different characters, and each character has its own story, its own struggle. And so the kids, when we're at school, can see themselves in the puppets, and our puppets are able to model what to do in different situations.

All right. What did you say? Sarah Kitchens and you are? Amanda. Gera. Gera, spell your last name.

G-U-E-R-A. And so we would love to be able to do some programs here. I know last year you all, we want to thank you all for funding some programs for us, and we wanted to see if that's a potential again this year. Our programs, each, they cost $515 per program, and so we wanted to see if maybe you all would be interested in funding two programs for us.

I know we put some money in the budget to cover it for next year it's there I just don't remember the exact number but I know we have money in there every year that we support this program you guys did great work we're very proud of having you here I just don't remember the exact number of what we put in there I believe it's the two programs I think it is the two programs I think it's total of what we did last time

We'll continue to do that. Appreciate what y'all do. Thank you.

Thank you guys for joining us today. And thank your puppet. I forgot his name already. What was it? Steven. Oh, you got that one. Good for you.

Next up on the agenda is approval of bills. make a motion to pay the bills $365,274.24 I have a motion and a second is there any discussion on any of this bill list this is the time where everybody's trying to get them in before the end of the year so that's why it's a little heavier than normal

Actually, a little lower if you took out that telephone bill.

Well, yeah, I guess you're right. I guess that telephone bill was the big thing, the telephone system, but yes. If no discussion, roll call, please.

Davenport? Yes. Goodwin?

Yes.

Wilcox? Yes. Harper? Yes. Crawford? Yes. Bolden?

Yes.

Baker?

Yes. Next up on the agenda is the Treasurer's Report. Ms. Amanda

make a motion to accept the budget transfer stolen 216 761 06 second motion in a second roll call please Stuyvenport yes Goodwin yes Wilkite yes Harper yes Crawford yes Golden

yes Baker yes second I have a motion and a second roll call please

Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Wilco?

Yes.

Harper? Yes. Crawford?

Yes.

Golden? Yes. Baker?

Yes.

We need to transfer $45,000 from the Occupational Net Profits Tax Fund to the LGEA Fund.

So moved. Second.

Roll call please.

Davenport? yes Wilcox yes Harper yes Crawford yes Bolden yes Baker yes we need to transfer $268,558 from the occupational net profits tax fund to the 9-1-1 fund so moved second Wilcox Davenport yes Goodwin yes Wilcox? Yes. Harper? Yes. Crawford? Yes. Bolden?

Yes. Baker?

Yes.

And we're doing our quarterly transfer to the special reserve to keep everything active. So we're going to transfer $175 from the occupational net profit tax fund to the special reserve fund.

You told me one time, refresh my memory.

It's just so the accounts don't go dormant.

Like a bank account when they say keep a penny in it. Okay, fine, good.

It just has to have activity.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll make a motion for that. Second.

I have a motion and a second from one of you two. I'm not sure. Roll call.

Davenport? Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Wilkett?

Yes.

Harper?

Yes.

Crawford?

Yes.

Bolden?

yes banker yes thank you Amanda bank transfer going we have a lot of documents but all that's taken care of we're working on ordering new checks for us we have got our remote deposit capture scanner and i sent a bunch of forms out this morning where we're updating all of our ACH routing numbers and account numbers so it's in the works so we're anticipating it being about a month we hope to have everything in place by July because that's the effective date on our contracts thank you very much road work request district one

District 1, can you manage? Present everything B-Way.

Yes, you can.

740 Barron Plains Road I have some it's some culvert work it's a really sharp edge and it's really close to the road and I'm afraid somebody's gonna hit it and pop a tire 35 mile an hour speed sign that's leaning at dock bridge there's a lot of traffic down there now because people are swimming so it needs to be put back up thank you for the Charles Mack signs speed signs and I already talked to you about Locust Grove all the stuff down there and thank you all so much for the bush hogging and mowing was great.

uh continue maintenance uh anyway i did what i did right after univista road the other day because you talked about doing some ditching and stuff if you wouldn't mind just let me know when you might get started with that but otherwise appreciate all you're doing district four continue maintenance thank you for all you've done five i'm just going to say continue maintenance because we've been in contact and you're covering everything thank you

and six continue maintenance thank you for everything need a motion to approve road work request motion second got a motion and a second roll call please Davenport Goodwin yes Wilcox yes Harper yes Crawford yes Bolden

yes Baker yes next up elected official sheriff Sheridan you have anything for us today yes sir alright I see Stacy Jen do you have anything for the clerk's office alright Joe or Josh are you guys okay just checking I think we need to take a 10 minute break oh my goodness we'll have to recover from that one alright moving forward department heads let's see I didn't say Jennifer, I said Ginger. Archives, Denise? Archives and grants, sorry.

I'm excited to share that the archives have been awarded a $10,008.84 grant from the Kentucky Journals to purchase a new microfilm reader, a brand new digital state-of-the-art one, a computer tower, and a monitor to go with it. Wow. And today we are closing in on $3.6 million in asks submitted.

That's great. That's great.

I hope you sleep well with all you've got on your plate. But you make everybody in this county sleep better and they need to know that. Thank you.

Thank you. People, do you have anything for us? No. We finally got our trailer for the excavator. It's a really nice looking trailer, so we appreciate having that. John Holder, do you have anything for us? Ambulance? EMS?

Maybe a little later.

Okay. Fair enough. Animal shelter. Eric.

Oh, we couldn't wait to leave.

Yeah, we may have to request that more often. Nathan Cockrell. Good morning to you. It's just a real pleasure.

Never let you down. I know you've been thinner, but this is pretty thin over there. I don't see much of it all over there. But anyway, Friday, July 10th. 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. is our waste tire event. I'm expecting a good turnout, so I just wanted to let everyone know this is the county road department, 1080 Payton Street on the state site. 15 tire limit, passenger tires, and of those 15, two can be semi-tires. And I just want to remind, please don't cheat and try to bring too many tires. You have the husband bring a load and the wife bring a load, et cetera, et cetera. People do that. They do. So I appreciate that.

Wow that was the quickest I think we've ever gone through there so let's move forward to community announcements and because it's fair week and there's a lot of stuff going on it's going to take a few minutes to get through this so I'm glad you guys gave up your time for this Fair starts this week. June 23rd is fair fun with friends. Concession gates open at 5. $1,000 crash price drawing at 8 for the outdoor arena. June 24th is faith and family night. Everything begins at 5. Carnival rides at 5.30. Diaper dirty at 6. The big thing is Kelsey Park concert will be at 7 p.m. I'd like to see everybody out to see that. We worked real hard to get this going and proud of it. June 26 is the truck and tractor pool June 27 is rodeo and demolition derby hopefully not combined together but we'll find out June 26 also moving forward is that's Friday night is concerts at Carrico starting at six or seven I didn't have a time Tyrone Dunn and Kinfolk June 27th is the free dump day that Nathan told us about he gave you also the 27th the clerk's office will be open from 930 to 12 for vehicle business only June 28th Auburn tourism is hosting a 250 year freedom fest at the park starting at 5 until dark fireworks bounty houses food trucks etc July 3rd is a durable community will celebrate America's 250th with fireworks at the park 6 p.m. July 4th is the Carl Benjamin Logan chapter sons of American Revolution continue in the tradition it's a basically a kiddie parade starting at 9 a.m. at West 8th Street July 4th everyone is invited July 4th is a monthly cow system test at noon unless we have bad weather it will be rescheduled July 4th is the 12th annual Thunder over Lewisburg starting at 5 p.m. followed by fireworks around the 9 p.m. time July the 10th is the waste tire event from 8 to 11 at 1088 Payton Street. Once again, Nathan gave all the details. July the 10th, no let's go July the 11th, Auburn Terrorism's party on the square continues their season with once again Tyrone Dunn and Ken Folk. So you can see them twice in a matter of a week and a half. July 11th at 7. Moving forward, do we have any committee reports?

I mean I can give an update on the meeting with Patrick if you want me to it's whatever you choose to do I mean we met with the architect about the park and hopefully we'll have that finalized and ready to present to the court July one of the meetings in July no later than the first of August a couple of final tweaks there and it'll be ready very very exciting to see what's what that's bringing out yes happy

Judge were you able to get an update about Roof?

I have not I have not it's been radio silence so we've contacted him I know you have a half a dozen times since January I don't know what that deal is big bold letters right here Roof I get copied in the email every single time

It's already next week.

Next week. So let's do this next week. That's the report I've got. All right. Anything else? If not, citizens' participation time. If someone from the public would like to speak next time.

I'll text him right now. Hi.

Can you state your name?

Sure. Dr. Sam Lee. I appreciate the opportunity to be here. If you don't know me, that's probably a good thing. It means you've never had to come see me in the emergency room. My wife likes to joke when people say they met me, she says, I'm sorry. I'm never sure what to feel about that. So I'm the director of the medical center emergency room, and full disclosure, I'm also the medical director for ComCare, both here in Logan County and in Todd County as well. is required by the state of Kentucky and most states. It's designed to provide medical direction and education, but mostly it's so that EMS can legally acquire the medicines and drugs that they need on ambulances. And also to have me to help put out the proverbial fires that tend to come up. So I do appreciate the opportunity to be here. I also recognize and appreciate your all's efforts taking the matter of the EMS contract seriously and thoroughly. I know it's not an easy one. I know it's, I'm confident that your goal is not the cheapest route forward, but the route that confidently provides quality emergency medical care for our families and neighbors here in Logan County. I came here today to offer help. because i believe i have a unique perspective that can shed light on the ems services here in logan county both because of my various roles but also because of being a logan county citizen your examination of the ems services here started with public complaints long response times long wait times for transport out of the emergency room and they're merited they reflect a nationwide problem. There's a nationwide lack of crews, lack of trucks, lack of resources, and in some instances, all of the above. You see the same problem in medicine today. There's a nationwide lack of doctors. In particular, there's a nationwide shortage of radiologists. If you come to my ER, the most common complaint in the ER right now is having to wait for a report from an x-ray. So Logan County is not immune to these nationwide problems. But it's left the public and it's left you asking why are we waiting on an ambulance. It's left you with the question of how do we fix it and who should be responsible for fixing it. I think to fix that problem there has to be a full understanding of what the problem is. Part of my job as director is to give a direction that sometimes involves recognizing some blunt truths. I'm a little concerned that the public and in some instances political leadership fails to recognize how busy the emergency services in Logan County really is. That means EMS and my emergency room. And how busy we are is the root of the problem that you've been The Medical Center in Russellville emergency room treats 12,000 people a year, give or take. That's almost double the volume of the emergency rooms at the Medical Center in Albany, the Medical Center in Caverna, and the Medical Center in Scottsville. And that's about a third more than the volume of the Medical Center in Franklin. It's also a 20% increase in volume since the medical center acquired Logan Memorial two years ago. More patients in my ER means more EMS runs to the ER. It also means more EMS runs out of the ER, transferring those patients to different hospitals. As far as the EMS is concerned, in 2025, Logan County EMS made over 5,300 runs. When was this? In 2025. Over 5,300 runs. Our EMS crews are making more runs per truck than every surrounding county, with the exception of Warren County. And the argument can be made there that the majority of their runs are within the confines of the city limits of Oldenbury. We're also making more runs per truck than Christian County. More runs than Hopkinsville. We asked our crews to do this in the geographically seventh largest county in the state of Kentucky. 120 counties in Kentucky and we're the seventh geographically largest county. As it currently stands, this board is funding two advanced trucks for Logan County. Those same two trucks have been funded at nearly the same rate as when this board approved them 17 years ago in 2009. 2009 that was the year that george w bush left office gas was two dollars and forty cents a gallon stamps were 44 cents and that year logan county ems made 3 900 runs in 2009 made 3 200 3900 okay so here's the 2026 reality of what happens truck responds. A second 911 call goes out and the only other truck responds. Now when a third 911 call goes out, that patient waits for a truck. Or if that third call is more emergent than one of the first Or maybe you're in my ER and I've transferred you to the medical center in Bowling Green or a different hospital, and you're waiting for a truck to take you to that hospital. But now you have to wait until those runs are completed and a truck is free. Kentucky statute says that there has to be one truck in the county at all times. So now, now our crews are juggling. Where do they need to go? Maybe the patient would best be served at an outlying hospital out of the county, but because they have more runs waiting, they have to make a decision. We put on their shoulders the decision of what's best for the patient in the truck and what's best for the patient that's waiting. I believe the obvious answer is one to three more ambulances. in service but i recognize that ambulances aren't free more ambulances mean more crews and more crews mean more paychecks so like everything else your problem and your solution is money i started by validating the complaints and concerns from the lowland county citizens they are correct They see the problem. The problem is a consistently busy system stretched thin over the seventh largest geographical surface area in Kentucky. I'm here to tell you that there are three fixes to this problem. And not three possible fixes, but three concurrent and necessary requirements that I believe have to be in place before both you and I can look into the eyes of anybody in local county and tell them that help is on the way. Number one, at bare minimum, three trucks running 24-7. Two of those trucks need to be ALS, meaning advanced, 24-7. Number two, reimbursement needs to be competitive for quality paramedics. In no way am I saying that we don't have quality paramedics now. We do. But I have watched through the years as we have lost quality paramedics to other counties where they've been offered jobs making maybe the same, maybe more money, where they're asked to make less runs over a smaller geographic service area. And number three, and possibly the most important, is whoever holds the contract. You need to know their motivation. Is their motivation a stream of revenue? Or is their motivation the well-being of the Logan County citizens? Because to some people, they're patients. But to you and to me, their neighbors, and family. I urge you to look closely at the bids that you're receiving and ask if there's a Logan County connection. Nevertheless, honestly, it doesn't matter if the side of the ambulance says ComCare or Billy Bob's Ambulance Service. It doesn't matter. If those three things aren't met, If they aren't running additional trucks, if they don't value their crews, and if they don't have connections to Logan County, it's going to be more problems and more merit of complaints, and we'll be right back here next year. The amount of miles between Dunmore and Allensville doesn't get shorter with a cheaper contract. But it can be divided among more trucks. Miles equates to minutes, and minutes between a truck and a Logan County citizen having maybe the worst day of their life. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you.

I have a question. You said at one point that the calls have increased immeasurably, excuse me, measurably, not immeasurably, measurably since the medical center took over Logan County. Give me a reason for that.

The medical center was a more respected name than Logan Memorial.

So once people called that, it was more what?

Just more calls? More people came to the ER. More people called the ambulance to go to our ER. I see that in my career I've seen that multiple times. That is not a statement against Logan Memorial or what it served as a hospital in no way. In community rural hospitals, the grass is always greener in the county next door. And the county next door has a big hospital system called the medical center.

That was my same question because I was really interested. How did population not change and your emergency room visits increased 20%?

Can you give me an approximate percentage of how many more calls? It doesn't have to be exact.

Since the medical center?

Since the medical center took over.

The volume in my ER is up about 20%. 20%.

I don't have that number.

We go up approximately anywhere from $75 to $150 a year, each year goes up. I know it's... Every year we just increase more and more.

It is $35.

But for the emergency room, that includes EMS arrivals as well as walk-ins.

But the calls themselves are 20% more now.

The arrivals to my ER, no matter how they arrive, is up by 20%.

Okay, I want to write that down.

Sure.

Which the number you gave makes sense. That's less than 2%.

You never can plan for when it's going to happen. I mean, you can have two serious calls and then you've got calls that I don't understand why people are calling an ambulance, but they're still calling an ambulance. We're constantly in need.

That's one of the hardest things is the unpredictability. Yes. Because you can have...

It's like, it's the same thing with our staff. You never know how many to have at a certain time. Usually you could say, okay, Friday's there, and the next thing you know, it might be Monday afternoon.

It's the same with the ER. I've had shifts where I have four ambulances and helicopters sitting in front of the hospital, and I've had shifts that I get to watch now. It's just the way it is.

again thank you very good information appreciate you dr lee i appreciate dr lee coming he's an asset to my district and lives in my district so i appreciate you coming and sharing

although I do agree with about everything you said I do would like to make one remark the compensation side of that I agree with you 100% but you realize that we we pay a contract the compensation rate for their employees Comcare's employees is set by ownership not the county So even though I do think every one of those individuals sitting there needs to be paid more, you also have to realize that the county does not set that rate. No different than us asking a contractor who's doing paving to keep their employees at a certain level. That's not our responsibility. They give us a number. So when people come to us and ask us, tell us that they need higher pay, that's not on us. That's on the ownership of this ComCare. No, you can if you want to, but I think I just wanted to make that statement because I've heard it from others that it's on us, and it's not on us. We don't tell Scotties what they pay their people. I appreciate all the information. I do 100% agree with you on everything, but I just wanted that statement to be made. Is there anyone else that would like to speak?

I just want to say I do appreciate Dr. Lee coming. That's the most information that I've ever received here in this full meeting about the ambulance service and the responses and the increase. And, you know, I challenge any vendor, our current vendor or any vendor, who, as time goes on, to do what we just did. We're at the day of deciding on what views we're going with. And that's the first time that I've been in court eight years, and that's the first time that I know of that someone has came with those absolute statistical numbers to let us know that the problem, how the problem has progressed. So I just want to say I appreciate him letting us know all that information. And, you know, being on this committee, I've heard that information, you know, in the past. If no one else?

Let's move on to old business, which is the reason we're here. Discussed and once the service bids received the June 2nd, 2026 special called fiscal court meeting. We had a lot of committee meetings and we went over this fine a lot. We spent a lot of time working on this, trying to do what is best for Logan County. And I think as a committee, we made a 100%

agreement to the decision we've made Chris would you like to speak yeah just to give everybody full disclosure you know we did receive three bids I think you already know that different variables variations of those bids the ambulance committee which consists of sheriff Stratton Carl Sadler Phillip Ferguson myself Tyler and the judge I think we met four times two in person a couple times virtually we actually met and with John Holder to discuss their their bid and their just general concerns and questions we also met with some folks with AMR and had a good conversation with them as well all that said the committee is in full agreement of recommending the award of the next fiscal year contract to Comcare for their option 3B which was the one that they sort of defined themselves with the exception of the way it was worded it was worded in a way that the ambulance would be manned three twenty four hour ambulances would be manned by a paramedic or AEMT by request and in that conversation two of those ambulances are going to be manned by an ambulance 24-7 24-7 and one by an AEMT or paramedic on the third two of those will be manned by paramedic 24-7 and the third one will be paramedic or AEMT and that total price for that 3b option is five hundred thirty thousand five hundred dollars So that is the recommendation from the committee. And do you want to mention the other things as part of that?

Yeah, I think it would be appropriate. Certain things that the committee wanted to make sure were clear and transparent to ensure that we can have eyes on what's actually occurring and those terms were being met would be to put in certain stipulations that would be added into the contract. And I would suggest making our acceptance of their bid contingent upon those additions to the contract. we've been using roughly a very similar version of our existing contract with Comcare since I've been county attorney so I think it would be helpful for Comcare to know what they're getting and also for me drafting that for you to go ahead and list those terms that you want to make contingent that way if Comcare is unwilling to do that and then it would be a basis to go to the next bidder potentially

yes so uh i guess on behalf of the committee to put that form of a motion to accept uh the comcare bid 3b for a total of five hundred thirty thousand dollars five hundred dollars for three 24-hour advanced life support units with two of those units staffed by paramedic on each truck and the third one being staffed by paramedic or amt and that also being contingent on the contract including stipulations that monthly run volumes be supplied to the court that records of those on that's the word I'm looking for those workers on each shift a record of the shift work is also supplied so that we can verify that the paramedic and the AEMT requirements are met on each run and each shift I'm sorry not run each shift each shift has proper we're basically getting what William said which is the two paramedics yeah just to have verification and a check and balance that what what we asked for is being met thirdly this has been in the contract and I know John Holder has no qualms about offering this but just for public disclosure that Comcare continue to offer the training sessions for all of the of our dispatch or all of our first responders and whatnot uh those of just to reiterate what john said those have always been available but they're they have to be requested uh you know otherwise i know john they mentioned that he's offered those at times and then somebody not you know nobody show up for those so that's exactly right so make sure

He used to hold a regular call training and then several times. He did it for a while and then nobody showed up. So he started doing it on demand. I think it's probably John Craig. Yes, Craig.

so those are the those are the three you know sort of points of emphasis for the contract language that will then you know if this passes that will turn over to Joe to write up and include in that but obviously like I said check and balance of making sure that we're getting what we paid for especially considering if this passes it's a substantial increase and it's but it's also an expectation of even better service and I mean when I say better advanced service so that's the motion and recommendation of the committee unless I left anything out I did not.

All I would have to say in addition to that is, you know, like I said, I'm part of this committee. I can talk all this stuff that is good education for us. And it's clear from talking to people we've talked to and looked at other counties, it's obviously clear that we need to go into the preambulances. Um, that is very evident. And, um, you know, just by looking at other, even at the last conference I was at, when I was talking to another neighboring county that has a 12,000 population, that has two full-time ambulances in the part-time. So, I mean, Denali County has three ambulances. Simpson County has three ambulances. You know, they have half the mileage we have, and they also have 20,000 population-ish where we have close to 30,000 population. So it's clear that we need free ambulances full-time to serve our community. Now, as part of ComCare, you know, the community is recommending ComCare. So, you know, we're going, we're asking to go to two to three ambulances. And the cost is increasing, I think, around 125%, right? So the cost increases 125%, like Chris said. We definitely are going to expect and have a good expectation of a service. And also, you know, we're talking to a lot of people. We have heard about employee turnover. You know, and we've heard about people going to other places because they haven't been able to come here. So, with the, I'm hoping that with this increase that you have put in your bill, the 125% increase, I'm hoping that all of your recommendations are going to address the The pay, as far as you know, is very good for you. You've lost a lot of good for the family. And I don't think all that has to do with pay. And also, it's called ASU, too. But I challenge ComCare as a company to look at your pay and make that more comfortable to people around you. It's pretty over as it takes of the quality of your services with it. So other than that,

we waiting for a second second that this discussion no yes

yes that's right yeah so a hundred percent in favor thank you dr lee i learned a lot from what you and we've talked once before but uh committee's been you know keeping us up to date about what's going on no disagreement with the read and i'm kind of more like dr lee i'm not so sure in the future we shouldn't be eyeing Four, you know, so hear me out. We've had the discussion of the want and the need. I have zero argument for the want and the need. Okay, zero, none. but now we gotta talk about where the money comes from I just spent months working with the judge and Jason and the court cutting and the jailer was a huge part of that cutting 1.8 million dollars out of the current budget now we just have to it's just part of it people don't anybody quote me that I'm against this but I need to have a discussion about where the three hundred thousand dollar comes from okay you need three hundred thousand dollars today you just change the budget on this motion if it passes and it will where are we getting three hundred thousand so I just need to be you know for me you know you gotta finish the discussion we've done half the discussion now we gotta have the other part of the discussion before we vote you know we are not supposed to vote on stuff that we don't say where the money comes from we need to find out where three hundred thousand dollars comes from so I don't know if the committee looked at that part of it I know that's not y'all's responsibility in whole but you can have that discussion and not say well we get the money from where so so you're saying hold the vote until we have no no i'm ready to vote today but you have to have a discussion of where this 300 000 and it'd be easy if you know you didn't ask the budget committee to cut 1.8 million dollars out of the budget you know we work really really hard and everybody did I mean every department we sit down with every single one of them and they all made cuts every one of them you know did no fat in the budget as it should be and everybody came to the table and worked really hard on that and so anyhow I mean you know it's not like I can sit there and say other than going to savings it's not like we're broke I don't want the county to hear that we have six million dollars in savings okay but it's not prudent to run your operations on your reserve money you know so question is where you get thirty hundred thousand dollars that's all I want to hear so I know where it's coming from well do we not have something that has been completed some payment that I'm unaware of that maybe has now

fulfilled its need from the court that we can pull that from. Are you saying that's not fair?

Is anybody getting questions for John? I don't want him to stand uncomfortably up here while we debate about money.

I definitely want to hear from you before you vote.

just a couple of facts uh because you know tyler just said that you know he's not gotten any facts since i've you know come up here and report the court in that minute We've been in a lot of meetings together. Thomas and Tyler and I both have given you a lot of facts. The judge has never asked for data he hasn't given. So you're right. I don't stand up here and filibuster and grease in and tell you everything about our data operations. I can't. That's not the problem at all. But if we're going to talk about subsidy and we're going to talk about pay rates and we're going to talk about the ownership that comes here and what we pay our employees, it sounds a lot like we don't take care of our people. And that's not the case. That's not the case. Are there other counties that pay better? Sure there are. They have tax passes. They have operating budgets exponentially bigger than mine. So for instance, if we want to talk about some data and some facts, you talk about a paramedic on a truck, that's an ALS level one run. ComCare bills insurance in this county. We don't bill people directly. Our charge is $675. The other two bidders, $675. The other two bidders, over $2,000. The next one's over $3,000. you want to tell me i need to pay everybody i want to my gosh people are worth way more than they pay and you're correct and dr lee's correct they do deserve a higher pay rate and you're absolutely correct we set that rate how what do i pay them with i pay them with the subsidy that i'm asking so i take your point but when we raise our subsidy a little bit and we We usually raise it at that cost of living, 3%, 4%, something like that. Right. And usually you vote on it. Sometimes it's a correction of 4% to create pay that's going up. I can't pay my people a whole bunch more money and not increase it.

And I agree with that 100%. But what I'm saying is I have – others in the community calling me complaining that you're not paying them enough and I have to say I'm not in charge of what you pay your employees that was my whole point of that whole spill is I don't set that I can't set a rate higher than what I have in the bank

John I will tell you this is maybe part of it and part not of it but means we're on the subject you know I don't want to hold the vote up but we do have to have a discussion about three hundred thousand but you know I would urge the committee and along with the budget committee we do need I mean I know this is going to pass and it should pass I'm going to vote yes for it okay but we're going to have to start immediately with discussions on the next contract whether it's with you or someone else but part of the problem is you know and i'm just i know it's a terrible i'm just this is just two contracts that i come to mind that I deal with. Yours and the solid waste contract. I don't subsidize the solid waste contract. Those are just two contracts. Take the emotion out of it. Y'all are both a for-profit company. Okay, you're not a non-profit, you're a for-profit company as you should be. Scott Waste and the other bidders didn't come in here and ask for a subsidy, so the market determined what that value was and they bid it based on that, and that's what got charged the consumer. We're gonna have to work together to come up with, and don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here warning you to charge more, But somebody's going to pay more, whether they pay it in a tax bill, whether they pay it in an emergency service fee on a water bill, whether they pay it in what is billed from the provider. As you mentioned, yours is $675,000. The next closest out of all who bid was over triple.

The difference is they can charge what they want, they can pay that. CMS sets my rate. is what we get for a Medicare, Medicaid loan. We lose money every time we turn a wheel. So when we say subsidy, we're losing money doing what we're doing. I can't charge more like they can. I get what I get. we're gonna have to get together and you know after this and you know hopefully the committee will continue to work and

we come up with a way that you know that we are charging a fair market value for your service you know obviously the bid process showed what fair market value was that's the purpose that we did that and you know it wasn't all across the board but you know everybody was really pretty close together on their bidding I mean there were some factors where you know you were 236 and another guy was 64 you know what's the difference there I don't know the guy's not here I can't ask him but anyhow the committee's not recommending that you know option number one so it doesn't matter but you know in in the future we're before this time next year we gotta have a better plan the existing system that we've done for seventeen years that business model no longer works that's a fact your participation needs to start immediately after this vote but again I'm gonna go back to the question you know it's all I wanted you to hear from me I want to go back to the question is where's the recommendation for the three hundred thousand the only thing I want to add to that conversation about the budget is I mean

I had hoped that the budget committee you know knew about the partners of our committee so that we would come to the table today you know in unison but I mean I realize maybe that's not the case I mean I tossed the idea out I mean I'm not advocating just tossing it out you know I mean I know that we have a one year band aid of funds in our ARPA money you know that we have those funds were dedicated for a broadband project a broadband project is done there's still a slight little shortfall you know as far as the balance that's in that and I realize that once that's spent that money is gone but in its carries us over for one more year I'm just tossing that out there as an idea I didn't know if the second reading of the budget included you know what your thoughts were or what the budget committee's thoughts were about knowing that that's probably where our recommendation was coming from

but I just thought to toss that out there as a possibility for this year I was hoping we would do it fairly quickly and I was even if the court was inclined would be open to if you all would just allow me and Phil to enter into that based upon adding the terms that Chris set out into what the standard agreement is but if you're gonna get that done in seven days I think Phil and John and I can I don't know about having the court approval but it's gonna be pretty basic because we do have a set rather than drag it out yeah

John, can you push back on the contract?

No, no, not at all. No, I was just concerned because in seven days we're also, because we didn't know, we had no idea, so we haven't had it set yet because we didn't know we were going to be here. That's my question.

Can you fulfill that contract? I can. Your part in seven days.

Yeah, I don't have six paramedics in the pocket. We're going to have to train them and get them in on service, but yeah.

Absolutely. So I think the only other thing really is just like Chris said, a lot of it's reporting and such like that. I think the only other thing that would be there would just be knowing that what we're asking for in a contract is the reporting that's there. And that's the easy stuff. You and I have already had these discussions.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think the court can probably rest easy because, you know, for all this time we've been riding that day truck in a call truck on top of what we've contracted for. So...

for years we've been giving you way more than you even asked for so I promise you we're going to meet your confidence 100% you know let me let me just finish by saying right here that I think the world of you guys I think you got a great staff over here I think they care about Logan County that was one of the things Dr. Lee talked about was the care and you've got a committed and a caring staff over there and I have no doubt in my mind that they do and they're going to go above and beyond and that's why it was an easy decision for me to stay with you guys

if y'all gave me a wheelbarrow and a whistle I'll respond to that

zero doubt in my mind that you guys will do the best and you will go above and beyond at every measure would it be possible or prudent that if for whatever reason

they you know contracts up in seven days you get the contract done you get it signed but they haven't been able to acquire the proper staff can you prorate that I think I think that would be the appropriate thing to do and we could if we give them 30 days you know I mean I sure don't want to just put somebody on staff and start taking our money and it's not appropriate you're in a rush we made a bad decision and we're paying for a bad decision I guess my question would be absolutely but do you want to try and

get it done by the first or do you so when can we have so when can we have the three ambulances

Yeah, 30 days would be more than enough.

If we're going to do that, why don't we just, as a part of the vote, say that we're going to extend the current contract to July 31st and then that allows us to come back and you all approve the terms of the contract.

I don't know about that one. I could prorate it at what we bid for the 2 1⁄2 trucks for the first 30 days. We could do that. And then after 30 days, go on to the 3 trucks and we'll do that.

I'm not following what John just said.

I'm having trouble with that because it feels like we would either start a new contract or extend the old one. So that's kind of where I would be at.

could we set it to where basically we would maintain the current contract at that level until you say I'm ready in whatever whether it's July 1st July 2nd or July 30th but he has to use his budget to train the new people for the new contract is that correct yeah so you're looking at pulling money we're not responsible for training the staff

No, but he's looking at a budget situation. That's what I'm hearing. Okay, I know that we're not responsible for that, but we're putting him in an impossible situation.

We can't pay for it until he delivers it. That's right.

But I'm providing you two and a half trucks now for the price of two. So I'll gladly provide two and a half more trucks for 30 more days for the price of two and a half more trucks. And then as soon as I can get three on the road, I'll do that. And 30 days should be one and a half.

Joe, does that work?

I still, it doesn't make sense to me to do it that way. I mean, I feel like if we're going to extend it, I mean, the half a truck we're getting, you all are paying for that on your own now. I would anticipate we would just be keeping it to a minimum of two. I kind of like Phil's idea, if we can get there quicker to prorate it. But I feel like we're accepting... I don't know. If we're going to accept the contract, it feels like we would start it when the service gets through.

Can we not just put in a new contract that your business compared to say they have up to 30 days to transition to have the staff needed to be done with it? Can we just put in a new contract that starts with a new line going until

I think it's just a matter of what what we pay that's kind of where it's coming down to so I mean if you all want to pay more I'm just saying that doesn't make sense to me but however y'all want to do it I work for you all so I'll have them all on the roster and they'll be on agency it's not a matter of the people it's a matter of when we actually start fulfilling the new contract term so that's all I'm getting at but again I work for you all so however you want I think the motion goes back to contingent upon the drafting of that contract obviously we don't get the contract drafted and agreed upon

we're back to square one anyway so I mean I guess I sort of throw that same discussion back to that contingency you know maybe that's a conversation to be had

I can't I mean we've got to figure out for me to write the contract what we're going to pay them in July and that's your all's decision and it's easy for me if we're continuing under the old one to pay what we were under that or if we're starting a new one to pay that so but if you all want to do something in the middle let me know.

To Tom's point the training is absolutely our responsibility. but those are still ftes that we're paying for before we cut the loops so the expense to me does go up so yeah you're right you're not charging training but if i'm going to add all these people start paying an hourly wage to do their training to ride on the trucks to be oriented before they go up and typically that takes a couple three weeks when i say 30 days that's more than enough time y'all know me i always under promise over deliver right i'll have those people on the street quicker than that i'm not gonna promise you that just because something happens when i leave here today if y'all if you vote in the affirmative and that's obviously your decision when i leave here today i've already got interviews lined up i'm going to have these people on the payroll in this at the service doing orientation on those agencies learning this community learning how we do things making sure they're safe so we will be encouraging

Joe give me your idea again it doesn't sound like anybody wants to do it my way I just need to know what we're paying them in July so we can address that in the bid and the contract that we're accepting

So your idea wasn't what we're looking at?

He doesn't like my idea, and it doesn't sound like you all like it, but my idea is we either extend the current contract or start a new one. we're doing something in the middle of that so we're going to pay them for services they're not going to give us until July I'm saying I think we can extend that it's just a matter of what we pay so that's the terms that we're not that we're not in agreement on is what we're willing to pay them in July for them not meeting the new terms of the contract and they're not willing to accept the pay from the old contract I'm going to be paying these people regardless if you want me to pay them for free for the first thirty days until I get them trained up and ready to go

Oh that's awful.

So your actual suggestion was just go ahead and go to basically alternate two for one month. Is that correct? I mean I'm trying to just get my head around the numbers on this.

If you're interested in things like that, I'm going to have more analysts trust me on the road immediately. Like I said, I under-promise over-deliver. I'm not going to lie to you.

major not a minor if you ask me but you know John and Comcare has always been fair about you know properly prorating the bill if something was not you know provided and I would assume if we started a new contract July 1 and you were two weeks into it and you didn't have three trucks that you're going to prorate that bill accordingly because the third truck was not in service i'm not responsible for your training i don't care what anybody says we put this out for you to provide this if it takes you six months to train them i don't expect to pay one nickel of that okay but the day you start fulfilling that contract i expect to pay you in whole but until such time willing to prorate that bill and you know somewhere between current and five hundred and thirty thousand you know I expect to get a bill in July that is somewhere in between that I think that's a compromise. That's a compromise. That's a compromise.

From what you said earlier. I like that compromise.

That's what I said from the beginning. Well, I think you could prorate.

I didn't hear that part. You said we're not paying for it until we've got it.

But if they're prorated. The first comment I say is the word is prorated.

Okay. I don't have a rewind memory.

But okay. So the bottom line is, you're saying, okay, prorated bill. You want me to add people to the staff?

I'm going to add them. Whether they're taking the truck, I'm paying these people. I'm adding these people. Right. The cost is there. We're not talking about it.

You said let's not vote on it until it says it's clear, and you were right.

So, can one of you think the difference of the contract, the difference of what it is today versus what it's going to be, ain't that difference divided by 365, and during those days that they ain't provided that?

so let me try to simplify this just a little bit and actually I think we're all saying the same thing it's just coming out different alternate bid number two which was the two and a half trucks was $275,000 okay if you break that down basically You break that down by 12, that's roughly $22,916 a month. What if we just put it in the contract that the first month we prorate until you go to that 22 divided by the amount of days?

Is that okay? Do you want to do it by day or do you just want to start it in July or August 1 so that you...

contractually whatever is clean I just thought it might help you a little bit to get up and running that we we have a definitive figure for our budget whatever for whatever that would that would clean it up as quick as possible we can either do it by until starting basically then we would prorate it to that number and then August 1 we would take off with the regular contract is that good with you John is everybody understand good okay so

Basically, he's just saying to take their contract bid of the two and a half take that yearly expense divide it by twelve and that will be the charge for the month of July and then August one we start with the full term of the contract full terms of the contract and obligations I think that's the cleanest way we can do it and that way that gives you a full month to get your people trained correctly And we'll accept that and contingent upon us entering into a contract that we can present at the fiscal court meeting in July, which allows the court time to approve that. And we're operating on good faith at this point.

Thank you, John. John? It is.

It is. It's going to be great. 100% confidence in you.

Thank you all.

okay now going back to the critical question asked by Magister Bolden the honest truth is is this emergency funding has been kicked down the road for years it's been done being done with the EOC we've been subsidizing it with occupational forever once a landline started dropping that's when we started losing funding and it's been like I said it's been kicked down the road for years and it's been something that's needed to be addressed for years and it's something that we can't take lightly we have to address this in the next year so whoever is sitting in this seat or sitting at those seats has to address that My thought is pulling out of the ARPA money to subsidize this this first year, but we actually, as a court, we have to work on figuring out a funding source for our 911 services. We're one of the few counties in the state that does not have a basic taxing district for emergency services and ambulances, and that's something we have to look at.

I agree, Jeff.

It's not something we want to look at. Nobody wants to do it, but it's the honest truth. And like I said, it doesn't matter who's sitting in this seat or sitting in those seats. It's the same problem.

so I have a motion and a second is there any other discussion so are we saying that where it's coming from is from the ARPA funds I don't have my budget the recovery so he's throwing that back to you that's within twenty thousand what we need

the other side of it is hopefully we'll have the roof on the jail by this time next year and that'll free up cash for that but it still doesn't eliminate our problem

Is there any further discussion?

are we modifying the budget the motion that about the funding are going to put that down into the second reading of the budget later on

we've got the money in there to fund it for five months so we can do a budget transfer I just want to make sure that this part of it I don't want to get it down here three months later and somebody's spending the ARPA funds on something else I prefer that it's not even part of this motion but it was your motion your statement I don't mind it being in there I just didn't know if we were going to lump it in I say we include it in

Would you be okay with that? I would be very good with that amendment. so I mean I like it hearts and minds clear yep I appreciate that thank you Jason and I breathed a little easier the budget committee is not I need to say this publicly the budget committee is not an envious situation So there is nobody that does budgets that wouldn't say if you are doing a budget that's squeezed, nobody is visiting you.

Shout out to all the people that are on the committee that that help us go through these views. I'm sure it's also on that side. Appreciate their input. It was definitely a good perspective.

hearts and minds clear roll call Stavenport yes Goodwin yes Wilkutt yes Harper yes Crawford yes Bolden yes Baker absolutely let's take a 15 minute break I've been requested

all right thank everyone for joining us back moving on to new business item number one approved to amend motion number nine of the may 26 2026 fiscal court minutes to read to accept the bid from scott murphy and inc for the construction of a bridge on homer visco road in the amount of seventy seven thousand eight hundred twenty six dollars contingent upon receiving the emergency funding from Kentucky Transportation Cabinet Department of Rural and Municipal Aid. That was a mouthful. Basically what this means is we had contingent on 80-20 money. 80-20 money was not available but the state has come back with emergency funds and said we can use that.

Motion to amend.

Second. And a second.

Goodwin? Yes. Wilkett? Yes. Harper?

Yes.

Crawford? Yes. Bolden? Yes. Baker?

Yes. Item number two approve the school resource officer agreement with Logan County Schools for fiscal year 26-27. This is the exact same as what we had last year. Dan and I have discussed it and we decided to with court approval this is the way we'll go and then next year we will come back and renegotiate motion to approve second discussion

didn't we I guess I'm like Jamie I think we sort of thought last year we agreed that we were doing it for a two year period I guess we were well it was but we had to renew it every year that's basically we admitted to doing it for two years but it's just a re-up of the contract

Goodwin? Yes. Wilkett? Yes. Harper? Yes. Crawford? Yes. Bolden? Yes. Baker?

Yes. Item number three. Approve to bond release. Approve the bond release for occupational tax clerk Carla Hughes, retroactive June the 9th, 2026. Carla has left us to spend time with her family.

Second.

I have a motion and a second. Roll call.

Davenport? Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Bocut? Yes. Harper? Yes. Crawford? Yes. Holden?

Yes.

Baker?

Yes. Item number four, approve the salary schedule for all county employees for fiscal year 26-27 as required by the auditor's office.

Motion to approve. Second.

I have a motion and a second.

Roll call. 9-4. 65-6-7. Yes.

Wilkurt.

Yes.

Parker. Yes. Crawford. Yes. Bolden. Yes. Baker.

Yes. Item number five, approve the K-Co Workers' Compensation Fund application for membership agreement for fiscal year 26-27. So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second.

Goodwin. Yes. Wilkut. Yes. Harper.

Yes.

Crawford. Yes. Bolden.

Yes.

Baker.

Yes. Item number six review the administrative code for any necessary revisions.

don't think there was any really made was it one question I wanted to ask and I just glanced through it but the threshold the 40,000 threshold is that being changed by state law to 50 60 right it does so do we need to is it just per whatever's current law or does it really that so we don't have to change it okay so do we if it's over sixty we have to do a public bidding but if it's under sixty we're required to get three quotes is there ever a minimum that you don't have to get under five right I'm sorry good questions

I would have never thought of asking that. Very good.

All right. Do I have a motion?

I'll give motion. Do I have a second?

Do I have a second? Second. All right. Thank you, Curtis. Roll call.

Diamondport? Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Wilcox? Yes. Harper? Yes. Crawford? Yes. Baldwin? Yes.

Yes.

Baker?

Yes. Item number seven, approve the list of changes for the proposed fiscal year 26-27 budget as recommended by the County Judge's Executive's Office. You have that list in front of you?

So moved.

I have a motion. Do I have a second?

Second. I'll second.

Discussion? Roll call please.

Davenport? Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Wilkut? Yes. Harper?

Yes.

Crawford? Yes. Bolden?

Yes.

Baker?

Yes. Item number eight, hold the second reading and adoption of ordinance number 26220-07 Logan County Fiscal Court's 2627 budget. So moved. Do I have a second?

Second.

Second, Dr. Hayes. Any discussion?

Only discussion I had, Judge. Yes, sir. Just correct me if I'm wrong. I don't see any changes from the first reading except what we just voted on prior to that. Correct. Was the four changes under the solid waste and recycling fund? the only difference between the first reading and the second reading are the budget changes that you proposed right before that and then what we voted on to fund the ambulance that's the only changes right I think I think that's it yes I guess with what you're saying too we'd already seen voted on another list of changes right after the first reading

no no I'm talking about back a few meetings ago was there not a list of some changes I don't think so yeah those were those were the first reading changes weren't they but so those if they're already yeah those are already in here yeah I thought there was like a page or two of those before

any other discussion changes I know is what the budget committee after the judge presented the thing we voted on the first reading there were only changes between the first reading the second reading was what we just voted on prior to that and

any other discussion roll call please Davenport yes Goodwin yes Wilcox yes Harper yes Crawford yes Bolden yes Baker yes moving forward

We have no reason to go into executive session. Moving to post-agenda, I do have two items for post-agenda. First item, I'm going to start with the sheriff. Sorry, the sheriff come up. In the 20 July... the 26-27 budget we have put money in to do you see to provide tango tango which is a radio backup system through the fire department sheriff's office EMS's phone systems or phones pardon me I just the sheriff was just going to be asking for

permission for myself to go ahead and sign that contract What did we do Kyle?

law enforcement, EMS, search and rescue, and I think we were still kind of involved in how to, because some of them can edit their departments together on one channel, like search and rescue, and emergency management are pretty much kind of one thing, so it doesn't leave much out. And then what that does is creates, they can, fire departments can create subgroups that will, they will be able to communicate with each other There is no backup system for that at all. So this is the backup? So it's a relatively inexpensive backup. Is this year? Lots of cell phone coverage, which gives us better coverage actually.

So we're going to enter a three-year contract? That's what it says.

I mean is this something that you see recurring indefinitely yeah I mean I mean again if you you do it one year the next year you don't you know you're gonna have to do a test just to see now we've been testing it for probably six or eight months we've some of the fire chiefs have been utilizing it seeing how it works a lot of the fire departments are paying for active 9-1-1 which is basically a cab gets sent when creating for their runs to the phone or when they page out it also creates an alert with this there's no they don't have to pay that no more so we've been utilizing it for about six or eight months and if the fire departments decide that they want to stay with act 9-1-1 that's their choice but it creates so like every time my guys do a traffic stop It seems to be working on the details of whether or not what you're doing.

Oh, that's a good thing.

So, well, it is, but it beeps 150 times a night.

Amanda's smiling.

We just need to make a motion to allow you and the judge to sign this contract.

Yeah, contingent on Joe looking over the contract to make sure everything's right.

I'll make a motion to allow the sheriff and the judge to sign the contract contingent on a county attorney looking over.

Second.

have a motion to second is there any other questions the fire departments will create their own admin with their channel

And they'll be responsible for that. So I'm responsible for ours. But then Gigi would be, she would have a total admin control over all of it, obviously, but their parameters set. Each entity will have their own admin.

And they will only have access to their... You know, an account where they can, you know what I'm saying?

No.

No, no, this doesn't have, no, no.

It's a creation through the portal. It has a portal that's managed through, so no. Not everybody will have everybody. So, again, law enforcement will have law enforcement. Fire will have only fire. EMS will have EMS. And again, if fire, if EMS is okay with fire having the ability to listen to them, then there'll be an agreement with that. So even in place now with our radio system, there's always a written agreement between entities of who has what channel. So it's not free based.

I'm sorry. So they can be interconnected, but not necessarily.

Right, right. You know, if EMS says, hey, we want our first responders and fire departments to have our channel so that they can hear, then that can be done. If they say no, we don't want them, then it didn't happen.

Okay.

And that would be the control through dispatch and probably.

just like did we I might have missed this are we committing to the three years or just year to year that was a three year contract do you want to do that I think we still bring it back every year but again I see what you're saying if you say three down do you really have to come back every year and commit or if it's just not working out that's the reason I said I mean this is new I just want to give you the opportunity to get out I guess it's always

design that is built to this I'm pretty sure I can say that if he was like we decided not to do this he would be okay with that it's truly great to work with and like I said we've been utilizing it for about eight months for free they're that traveling product in its life that's cool I will check on that, but that may not help answer the question.

No, I just didn't know whether or not he wanted the committee.

I'm with it, honestly. Like I said, we've been demoing it for so long that it's being used constantly now, so... call me dispatcher they'll call me with this i can get a i'll see what's going on and then i can turn it on and i can hear but i can also communicate from where i'm at and hey don't do this or go do this now so it does give me it gives it gives me that ability and others the fire chiefs will do the same way john could be somewhere in frankfurt and needed something he could actually communicate with them

I think you need it all right do I have a motion and a second okay that's been such a long discussion all right any more discussion roll call Davenport yes Goodwin yes Wilco yes Harper yes Crawford yes Holden yes

yes Baker yes thank you very much thank you one more thing and then I'll be done with my part of the host agenda Denise has brought up that she forgot to ask permission for something I forgot to ask permission for the span meter grant for the animal shelter this year's $3,000 and there is funds in the next budget to do a $3,000 match that hired your match, the better your chances are of getting chosen. And that has already been confirmed with people that need to confirm those things.

Motion to approve.

Oh, for sure. Second. Roll call, please.

That's great.

Davenport? Yes. Goodwin? Yes. Wilcox? Yes. Harper?

Yes.

Crawford?

Yes.

Bolden?

Yes.

Baker?

Yes. Will that grant help customer cost? The grants.

As of now, no. We're working on it to see where we can go. Because anything we do, we probably have to come through fiscal court to get approved anyways to see fee scale. So we're trying to work with them to get us approved to transport some of our residents, some people's dogs at a low cost. But that's in the works. So maybe coming down the line.

So my questions may be later. Yes, it's in the pipeline.

Okay. And to also add to that, I'm actually aware of a grant that doesn't make that happen.

Excellent.

Okay gotcha.

All right does anybody have anything else from post agenda?

I just have a question.

When's that road hearing that we voted on?

My road? Joe says it's actually already done.

We've already had that hearing.

He said that was the hearing.

I thought there was a second one. Yes.

Good question.

It would have been such a time lapse that but anyway we've had the road hearing so now it's in their hands on taking care of it.

That's the final paperwork transferred and it's done.

Anything else post-agenda? If not, I entertain a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn. Second.

Motion is second. I hope everyone has a great week.