City Council - Regular Meeting

Good. Hey, hey, good evening everyone. Uh, council meeting uh, April 28th, 2026. This is our closed SE session. And we'll start off with the calling of the uh, of the role. Council member Andrea present. Council member Rei. Mayor Prom Ecklan here. Council member Brown here. Mayor Pearl here.

Okay. Thank you very much. We have two close session items. 1 A conference with labor negotiator. Uh local 39 and 1B conference with legal counsel. Existing litigation. The gathering in. Do we have any uh anyone? Open the call. City clerk. Do we have anyone in the audience? I don't see anyone in the audience wishing to make a public comment. Do we have anyone on Zoom? Is there anyone on Zoom that would like to provide public comment on close session agenda items? I do not see any hands raised. Thank you very much. In that case, we will adjourn the closed session and move to our closed session.

call this meeting to order. April 28th, City of Lincoln regular city council meeting, Lincoln Redevelopment Agency successor agency in Lincoln Public Financing Authority. Okay. Uh Blair, would you start us off, please? Good evening and welcome to the city of Lincoln's regular meeting of the city council. Tonight's meeting will be televised and available on channel cable channel 18 YouTube and Zoom. Those wishing to address city council on either non-aggenda or agenda items will be called upon at the appropriate time. Those who submitted a speaker card will be called first, followed by those in the audience. And finally, those attending through Zoom. For those participate participating through Zoom that wish to provide public comment, please use the raise your hand feature or press star9 if you are calling in. Once public comment is open, please wait to be unmuted by the city clerk. Once unmuted, your name will be called and you may proceed in making your public comment. This evening's invocation will be given by Pastor Tom Gallovich of Valley View Church. Once the invocation has concluded, Mayor Burl will call the meeting to order.

In a word of prayer, please. Father, we thank you for this time when we can come together. We lift our leaders, national, state, and local. Grant them wisdom, humility, and a desire to serve with integrity and in and justice. Guide their decisions to protect the freedoms and peace of this land. We pray for unity and healing. We ask for peace in our communities and unity among our people, especially in light of the events of this last weekend. Heal the vi the divisions that separate us and help us to live as one nation, indivisible. We pray for truth and righteousness. May righteousness define our nation and truth prevail. Guide us away from selfish ambition and towards love, humility, and obedience to your ways. We pray for protection and prosperity. Protect our citizens from harm and bring blessing, health, and prosperity from sea to shining sea. Defend the vulnerable and the voiceless. And lastly, we pray for spiritual revival. We pray for a revival of faith and a heart that turns towards you. As it says in 2 Chronicles 7:14, "If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and heal their lands." We ask this in your precious name. Amen.

Thank you, Pastor. Well said as always. Thank you very much. Okay, we call the meeting to order. Roll call, please. Council member Andrea, present. Council member Rei, here. Council member Brown, here. Mayor Prom Ecklan here. Mayor Pearl here. Okay, very good. Number seven, report from close session. Thank you, mayor. On items 1 A and 1B, directions been provided to staff. Thank you very much. We'll now continue with the pledge of allegiance. Uh Kevin Siddle, would you lead us in the pledge, please?

United States of America to the Republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Agenda modifications. Anyone on my colleagues? Anyone staff? Anything? Okay. Very good. Uh, do we have for number 10? We're starting this information item, the disclosures. Do any information disclosures that any of us need to make? Not over here. Pres, excuse me, presentations. We have no presentations. Okay. Uh, public comment on non-aggenda items. All speakers will be limited to three minutes unless extended by the mayor. All comments or questions should be addressed to the mayor. And in most cases, the city council is prohibited from discussing or taking action on any item not appearing on the posted agenda, but may engage in brief discussion, provide direction to city staff, or schedule items for future meetings. Madam clerk, who do we have?

We have five speaker cards. First up, I have Steve Ambrose and second will be Christopher Lane. Steve Ambrose. I've uh been a Lincoln resident the day I was born. So, it's been a few years. Um received a brochure the the mail and it talks about the city and senator the challenge that the city's having. uh and over the years heard, you know, from this council and city in general about uh transparency and fiscal sustainability and accountability. Um but in reading this, this doesn't sound like fiscal sustainability. Sounds like um there's going to be some serious challenges ahead. um and accountability. Um I think it this council should acknowledge you are accountable for where we're at. I think where the city's at now has probably occurred in the last 6 to 8 years, decisions made. Um and moving forward, I think the city residents, they want to hear straightforward communication. I don't think they want to hear stories or excuses about prior city council members, prior city staff, whatever may be that you need to take on the accountability issue. Also on the city website read where it said that uh there's 15 permanent positions funded by part-time or one-time revenues which again is not fiscal sustainability. So, it just seems like what's coming

next is going to be the ransom letter where it's going to be sent out to the community that says basically either you agree to pay taxes or we're going to cut public safety. So maybe a suggestion before it comes to that um ultimatum, maybe the city should maybe take a process that I think Roseville used about a decade ago where they actually formed a committee of independent um group of community members. they were allowed to review with staff that were in the general fund uh some of their costs or expectations or the needs or demands and hopefully that committee could come forward and support a sales tax measure if that's brought forward. Um and maybe as a suggestion to that I think uh Marcus Leuke actually served on that proposal. he might be able to give some direction on how that occurred back then, but hopefully this can be worked out with the city. Um, there's always challenges, always has been challenges. Um, years ago, council was very clear every budget year what their direction was. It was live within your means. They did not like using reserves. They did not run deficits. Anyway, that is my comment this evening. Thank you.

Thank you, Steve. Let me just say that I've been following what's going on with the city since 2010. I came here in 2008, and I don't think that we have ever been as transparent with what is going on internally as we have been uh certainly within the past couple of years. So I'm very encouraged with with what we've done, what we've accomplished, and what we have on our table to continue to accomplish. So I think as far as transparency goes, we are all in when it comes to transparency. Thank you very much. Number two,

after Chris Lane is Stan Nater. Uh I've been living in Lincoln for the past 20 years and I'm bringing uh urgent public safety issue uh to your attention. Uh city council members, mayor, um at the intersection of Joiner and Bella Breeze, there is a quarter mile section of rebar sticking up only 4 feet from a wellused path traveled by many residents, children, seniors, parents. There is a cliff that if someone were to get too close or go off that trail could cause a person to be impaled or seriously injured by this rebar. The uh site is 850 Red Rock Road I believe and there is a been a tremendous increase in the population in this area with four schools within a quarter mile from this site. It's only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured or killed. Please notice the urgency of this matter. This is a very dangerous situation as people have already been wandering around this area and you could tell by the wood bridges people have built to get up and down the side of the cliff. I have contacted the fire department, the city manager's office, the city of Lincoln public works department. I am requesting immediate action before someone gets seriously injured or killed. This is to protect the safety of the public. This is a very dangerous and there are no signs or fencing indicating so. I'm requesting that you send the fire department with all of their safety gear to bend the rebar over to remove the immediate threat of death. Once that is done, have the property owner, Lincoln MCC Project LLC, 45 Rockefeller Plaza, 1919 New York, New York, address the unsafe conditions that exist at this site. Uh, I'm requesting or there are a lot of questions about how this site could go unchecked by the city for so long. How about how the owner of the property

could abandon this dangerous construction site and not be held accountable for demolition or removal of this very dangerous rebar. I ask that you reserve the right for us, the public, to get the answers to these questions at the next city council meeting. right now. This is about protecting human life by removing the threat of death right away. This is an emergency. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Thank you for bringing it forward. Sean, would you like to make a comment on that?

Yeah, sure. Um, actually I spoke to Chris a little bit earlier today. Um, hi Chris. And um we have so uh we got the complaint in um a certified um order has gone out to the uh company, the holding company that owns this property. Um and they have 72 hours upon receipt to rectify the the issue at least on a preliminary level. And then we'll have conversations with them about what a long-term solution looks like. Um, if that does not occur, um, I don't want to get into the legal details of what we do then, but we have some tools to address that moving forward. So, we're on it.

Okay. Good. Thank you. And thank you for bringing it forward without a doubt. Yes. Uh, importance of addressing this issue right away. Very good. Thank you very much, Chris. Appreciate that. Stan

after Stan is George Pilj. Mr. Mayor and Council, my name is Stan Nater and I live in the 12 Bridges area. I had planned to speak to you again tonight regarding the dangers of ebikes and ecooters posed to the traveling public in our city. Many many cities are taking an elevated approach to enforcement with severe penalties for violating basic traffic laws. If the city of Lincoln does not take immediate action, young riders could be killed, both placing the city in potential legal jeopardy. I will further address this matter in two weeks. But after watching the video of the last city council meeting, I would like to address something the mayor brought up under council initiated business. His request was for city staff to research the city council members receiving a quote increase unquote. I was appalled that he would bring up such a subject given the city's 2527 budget which has a $3.6 million operational structural deficit. I do not believe the voting public would be pleased with that being considered given that fact. If one looks up the definition of an operational structural deficit, one should be very concerned. It means that when ongoing expenditures exceeding exceed recurring revenues over a full economic cycle regardless of the general econ

economy's performance, the city will struggle for stability with limited resources. Structural deficits will persist even during general economic boom, requiring policy changes to correct. The stipen the city council members receive is to cover expenses allowing recipients to focus on education, training, and volunteering. Being on the council is not a job where one would be expecting an hourly wage. You are in that position position to be public servants. Meaning you are serving the interest of others and not yourselves. Being on a city council member is an honor and a privilege, not a right. No one put a gun to your head and told you you had to run for city council. Is a choice one makes without any mental reservation. Council member Ecklan raised the issue of someone not being able to afford being on the council because of the time required to complete associated duties. I would submit to you that the bigger impediment is the cost of running for council position. If one does not receive the curry of the development community, it is difficult to raise the money that one needs to get elected. Thank you, Stan. Okay, Wilfoot, you are up after George here two years ago, right? So, I'm new. And what I Mine will be short and sweet. It's about uh I have problems. I live on

uh Esplanada Turkey Creek and there's that pond behind the back there and I get lots of mosquito bites and I swell up. Is there anything I mean I came from a town that they had bat boxes. I don't know if the university puts them up or something, but the bats eat a tremendous amount of uh mosquitoes. Like that's their main diet. And uh that's that for that. And the other one was uh when I came here, I gave my credit card to downstairs to pay for the sewage and garbage and things like that. And then you guys had a a change in your um computer program. And uh I was never charged for that before, but now there's like a 6% charge if you do that. And I was just and uh I was just down there and there were like three women behind me and the one woman said she had to take time out of her day to come down to make the payments. But I just talked to someone back here and he said that there's a program where you can pay without having to go through all that. So yeah, that's it. I mean,

thank you very much. Two questions up here, Sean. I think then then probably Nita also. Yeah. So, um I'm so sorry, sir. Where did you say you uh live? Espanad Turkey Creek. So, I can handle that for you. We we have um weirdly bats do live uh just under me bridge. Um but u the more effective method is we have a mosquito abatement district here and they're actually pretty good. So, I'll just do it for you. We'll contact them and let them know you're having some issues and they'll get out and spray that area. And it it happened in my neighborhood a couple years ago and it greatly reduces bites. I I ran into the guy down there at the park gave me he said he was coming to do a presentation. I don't know guys. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'll call it in and they'll they'll either do an aerial or they'll do a local application and come by. They're they're very responsive. So we'll take care of that for you. And then yes, you're correct. There's a couple different methods that you can use to avoid the credit card convenience fee. You want to share that real quick? just for public knowledge.

Yeah. So, the credit card convenience fee is 3 and a.5% but going to be reduced to 3% on May 1st. Not not six, it was three and a half and going down to 3%. But you can avoid it uh by either paying directly through the bill pay at your bank. You can also write us a check or you can use the online echek option which does have a small fee at the moment, but we're working on having that fee removed. So there are plenty of options for you to avoid that. But if you're paying with a credit card, there is that convenience charge that the majority of government agencies charge their customers. Thank you very much.

Mr. Foot.

Council members, staff, and assembled citizens. My name is Will Foot, and I am the city of Lincoln's chief building official. And recently, one of our other citizens, Byron Chapman, invited me to an event for a nonprofit he's a part of. It's called a touch of understanding, and I wanted to share my experience with that with the council today. Uh, so they're a volunteer nonprofit. The event they had was at Creekide Elementary here in Lincoln. and uh they are driven to raise awareness and educate young people about the disabled community a way that builds empathy, understanding, and respect. One of the things that stood out to me is it's not a lecture-based program. It's genuine experience. They've created an environment where students don't just hear and talk about disabilities. They actively engage with what it might feel like to navigate the world in a different way. One of the most impactful parts of my day was hearing from their speakers. Uh Olivia in particular was a young lady who was incredibly brave and inspiring uh because she was brand new to presenting. I didn't realize that at the time. And I'm sure we can all agree that um trying to present to a bunch of fourth graders could be nerve-wracking even on the the best of days. uh she shared her personal story with honesty and confidence and you can see how much it resonated with the children. Moments like that are powerful because they humanize challenges that most don't understand and they leave a lasting impression especially on the minds of our youth. In addition to the speakers, the ATU set up several interactive stations designed to simulate different disabilities. These ranged from wheelchair chair navigation to a blind station where kids were blindfolded and they tried to use walking aids to try and navigate a simple circle. That was a quite entertaining to to witness. Uh another example was writing while looking into a mirror to simulate some learning

disabilities. Activities like that might seem simple, but they're incredibly effective. They create a moment of realization where participants shift from abstract understanding to true real empathy. What makes this program special is also its volunteers. These people are deeply committed to making a difference and their passion is evident in every aspect of their program from the thoughtful design of the activities to the care they show in engaging with the children. For me, it was a real priv privilege to be invited. And experiences like this remind us how important it is to foster inclusion and awareness early on in our children's development. Organizations like ATOU are not just educating youth, they're helping shape more compassion and inclusive community for all of us. I just wanted to highlight some of the great volunteers we have in our community. And if anybody wants any more information, I'm sure they could reach out to me and I get you in touch with the right people. Thank you.

Thank you, Will. Thank you, Byron, also for working on that. Absolutely. Was there anybody else in the audience that would like to make public comment?

Can you hear me? Oh, there it goes. handola.

Um, the reason I'm up here today is, um, last meeting you guys requested, uh, to check a pay increase, and I know that the 655 that you get isn't a lot, but I went on the online site, and it may be a little bit wrong or not, to check what the other towns made and towns that were similar to ours that don't have a Costco that don't have a supermarket of u Walmart that one that we could have had but we don't um a Sam's anything a restaurant that stays open later besides the one Mexican restaurant that we have and me being that I eat that's what I eat at home it gets boring um So, what do I do? When I first was younger, my whole thing was, "Oh, we get to go to Roseville cuz we get to go get Subway or we get to go to KFC and then we come back to our small, quiet town." And a lot of people would say, "Why would you live in Lincoln?" I go, "Because there's no traffic," which we have now. It's a small town. Everybody knows everybody. It's getting harder to know everybody now. Uh, it was peaceful. You could hear the cows from a distance. It It was peaceful. Now all you hear is traffic, traffic, traffic, traffic. And we still have to go to Roseville to do all the things we can't do here. So, the increase of homes have increased, but nothing else. Just building homes and homes and homes. But yet you want the taxes when we all go to Roseville. We

don't we don't shop here. We're not going to get clothes here. So everyone goes to Roseville to the mall. Uh Yubis City 600. They have a population of 70,000. They have an airport too. Ranch Cordova 500. They have a population of 85,000. Uh Wholesome is the one that went up to 1900 and that was last year. Yet it was a 3 to2 vote and one member said wouldn't take it. Roseville, as you know, started this whole thing of wanting to get more money. It's going to go on a boat, but you guys are going to be voting for your own increase because Stockton now is doing the same thing. They want a big race, too. Rockland 685 82,000 people. But the thing is we don't have what they have. So it it doesn't make sense to increase something when you when you don't have what you they have. Thank you.

Thank you. Was there any one else in the audience? Kevin Can you hear me? Yes, we can.

Kevin Siddle, um I was at a planning commission last week and um they authorized or they rubber stamped a liquor store 300 yards from an elementary school. I don't see the reasoning behind that. And they also rubber stamped um another gas station right across the street and another Starbucks. That'll be by my count six Starbucks within the perimeter of Lincoln plus Dutch Brothers plus all of the independents. So I don't understand how that is um viable option. There should be some other action rather than another Starbucks cuz where I live within a two mile radius there are six with this one there'll be six Starbucks. So I don't understand how that is a responsible growth and a liquor store 300 yards from an elementary or middle school. I don't see how that's responsible growth. Thank you very much.

Thank you comm. Let me just make a a comment on that. Appreciate it. uh the planning commission has to operate within the within the parameters of it does it fall within the gen general plan and within the specific plans and and the and building codes and guidelines uh so business makes the decisions to come or not to come here. The city can make it more conducive. We can streamline uh applications. We can we can make them want to come here. We but we can't make them come here. we can help them to to be successful here. But it's their money. They're putting it in. It's just like if there if we have four quick quacks. Is it going to work? I have no idea. But it's it's their money. And as long as they are playing by the rules, then we are uh then we have to be responsible partners with them in that.

Well, and that hence my question. I mean, how many Starbucks do we need within a a threemile perimeter? Thank you. Thank you, Kevin. But that's called free enterprise. Can I ask a quick question? Just a clarification. Um Kevin, are are you talking about a convenience store in a gas station that has liquor or are you talking about an actual liquor store? I'm talking about the um Chevron station that is at First and Joiner. Oh, okay. Yeah, they they applied for

they applied for a permit. I talked with the owner on that. Um his motivation was because the planning commission was going to put the uh was Circle K and the Starbucks directly across the street from him. So he put in for that liquor license as a prevent I don't know preventing to be in the gas station store. Right. Not not a standalone liquor store, but alcohol to be sold in the gas station convenience store. Convenience store. The convenience store. I just want to clarify. Thank you. I appreciate

that. So, he he his motivation was because the planning commission was going to put another gas station directly across the street from you with a Starbucks. I got it. Thank you. I appreciate that, Kevin. Thank you, Kevin. Was there anyone else in the audience? Seeing none, I will move over to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom that would like to provide a public comment? Fran, you are now unmuted. Please provide your public comment.

Well, hi. This is Fran Nevice. I live in 12 Bridges. I've been in Lincoln 22 and a half years. And I just want to tell you that those stop signs are on 193 with a lot of, you know, stop ahead, be prepared to stop, work zone, 25 mile per hour. You know, there's probably eight signs warning you that there are stop signs there. And I want to thank you for that, Sean, and everybody. And uh tell you people are stopping. Every once in a while, somebody zooms through. I honked at some woman the other day. She just ran on through, you know. But the other thing that's interesting is where the K rails are, they tore up all the pavement, all the road that they put in before, even going into the esplanade, they've tore it all up and redoing it all, you know. So, I mentioned that and then uh listening to all the previous speakers, wow, is that interesting. And um I'm really glad to hear about a touch of understanding. I too went and visited uh when they were at First Street School a few years ago. It might have even been before CO, I don't know, but it's really impressive. So, I'm glad that uh Mr. Foot gave that presentation. And I don't see anything wrong with putting up batous around either. Bats do need to eat mosquitoes and we do have them. And about the ebike thing, I had a friend in Lincoln Hills parked parked in Lincoln Hills and an ebike hit the passenger side of the car. It was $10,000 worth of damage. A 17-year-old the parents, they were very nice, but they didn't want to report it to their insurance, you know, but the people whose car was hit were, you know, had to use a a loner for a long time. Anyway, thank you for the opportunity to thank you for the stop signs and they're doing

landscaping and they're starting to paint the um strips on the rest of the Oak Tree Lane where it's dark in front of the church uh where there's little ditches on the side, but now at least we're getting some painting strips there. So, I guess that's that's why I called in just to thank you. Thank you for thanking us, Gran. Vin, do we have any uh any updates on that, Vin?

Yeah. Uh sure. Briefly, um last Monday, uh Taylor Morrison and their uh contractor Tykert was able to implement the all-way stop. Um, you know, one of the most important things we had to do before we implement the three-way stop was to close off one of the inbound lanes into the city cuz traffic was coming in at such a high rate of speed. Uh, once they got that done the previous Friday, you know, they were able to get that all done on a Monday just in front of the rains that came. Um, just a heads up, uh, in about a month and a half or so. Um the contractor is going to flip traffic after they pave uh the north side of Mcbine. Traffic will be diverted to the north side while they work on the south side. There's still quite a bit of work remaining with storm drain and and wet utility undergrounding with water manes that need to be installed. So we still have quite a few months worth of work. Um you know estimated time of completion is going to be sometime in the fall. We're thinking uh sometime in September hopefully we'll have the signal fully functioning. Um and then Sentry and and Hidden Hills is doing some striping work on the south end oak tree lane. That's probably what is referring to. So that's the latest.

All right. Thank you Vin very much. Do we have anyone else? Mr. Mayor, there are no additional speakers. Very good. That's good. So, we'll close public comment. Uh consent calendar. Would any u my colleagues like to pull anything off the consent calendar today? Okay. Staff. Okay. Very good. Public comment. Madam clerk, do we have any speaker cards on the consent calendar?

I do not have any speaker cards on the consent calendar. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak about anything on consent? Seeing none, I will move over to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom that would like to provide public comment on consent items? I see no hands raised. Okay, very good. Any uh comments back from my colleagues on on this? And if not, can I get a motion? I move approval of the consent agenda. Second. Very good. Move to second. All in favor say I.

I. All oppose. 50. Thank you very much. Okay. Public hearings. Uh 14A Stardust 12 project presented by by Michaela Noble All right. Good evening, mayor and council members. Michaela Noble, associate planner with the community development department. Our environmental consultant, Adrienne Graham, is also here, and she'll be assisting me with the presentation tonight. The project we have before you is the Stardust 12 project. The presentation is a summary of the project. More detailed information was provided and included in the staff report. Tonight, we'll discuss the following items pertaining to the Stardust 12 project. Requested entitlements, project components, staff findings, environmental determination, and recommendations. The applicant, Jen, California 28 LLC, is requesting approval of the revisions to the village 1 specific plan to redesate and reszone the project site, amendments to the village 1 general development plan, approval of a small lot tentative subdivision map, and certification of an addendum to the village 1 specific plan environmental impact report. The planning commission held a public hearing on March 18th and adopted resolutions recommending that city council approve all entitlements related to the Stardust 12 project.

The proposed project consists of approximately 12.8 acres within the village 1 plan area. The project site is located at the northeast corner of Village One, immediately west of Stardust Lane and County limits, excuse me, city limits, and south of Mcbine Park Drive. Other approved Village One projects include Esplanade at Turkey Creek, Auburn Ravine Estates, Turkey Creek Estates, The Waterfront, Hidden Hills, H Heartland at Hidden Hills, Stardust, Level Ranch, and Parkwood, which Parkwood is being developed by the same applicant as tonight. You notice that the map's kind of getting fuller. Here's the proposed small lot tentative subdivision map for the Stardust 12 project. The map features 84 residential lots, two open space lots, a utility and pedestrian access corridor, and an emergency vehicle access lot. All of the residential units would be village medium density residential single family homes. These lots would range from approximately 3,200 to 8,900 square ft in size with an average lot size of approximately 4,000 square ft. Larger lots are located along the eastern project boundary adjacent to the count county. The project satisfies the city's minimum lot sizes and typical setback requirements for medium density residential access would be provided through a connection to Level Ranch Road here which would connect to Mcbine Park Drive. Roadway improvements would be provided along the portion of Mcbine Park Drive that fronts the project site to the north. An EVA would be provided to Stardust Lane right here. This would be an EVA only and would not allow for regular residential access to and from the site.

The proposed project requires an amendment to the specific plan land use designation and zoning. As indicated in the table, the project site is currently zoned as village country estates, village lowdensity residential, and village open space. The project proposes to redesate and reszone the lots, excuse me, the land that are designated country estates and lowdensity residential, resulting in a total of 11 acres of medium-density residential and no uh and no acres of country estates or lowdensity residential. The open space acreage will remain unchanged. The reason exhibit is illustrated above as shown on the left right here. The western portion of the project site is zoned as low density residential and the eastern portion of the site is zoned as country estates. The country estates designation is meant to provide a transition or a buffer from between the village one area and the rural area in the county. This can be this is particularly important where there are active livestock operations and or intensive agriculture such as row crops. Neither of these types of agriculture which can result in a bunch of nuisance complaints occur adjacent to the pro project site at this time. The applicant has proposed several measures to retain some of the components of the country estate zoning to maintain that buffer with the county. First of all, the lots would be larger, both wider and deeper, along the eastern boundary and greatly exceed the minimum requirements for medium density residential. This will provide greater flexibility in citing housing and other improvements away from the rural areas. Also, this results in a relatively few lots along the eastern boundary. It's roughly about six lots, which is similar to the recently approved Stardust project, which is located immediately south of this project site. In addition, these lots are subject to greater setback requirements as outlined in the

project's conditions of approval. Mitigation from the EIR also requires that all homeowners adjacent to the county be provided with a co a copy of the county's right to farm ordinance. These conditions and measures should minimize any potential conflicts with adjacent agricultural activities. In addition, the applicant is developing the recently approved project start, excuse me, Parkwood project. as I mentioned earlier, which was approved for 42 fewer units than what was assumed in the specific plan and the environmental impact report. The applicant is proposing to apply 36 of those 42 unused units from the Parkwood project to the Stardust 12 project. Consequently, there would not be a change in the total number of units allowed within the village one plan area. In summary, the proposed project requires a reszone from country estates and lowdensity residential to medium density residential to facilitate the pres provision of 84 units. As previously mentioned, the 36 remainder units from the Parkwood project would be reallocated to the Stardust 12 project. In addition, the project includes 1.8 acres of open space and EVA pedestrian access access to the village one trail system and typical frontage improvements. Staff analyzed the proposed entitlement requests and concluded that they are consistent with the goals, policies, and intent of the city's general plan, the adopted village one specific plan and general development plan, and the city's subdivision ordinance. With the proposed amendments to the specific plan and GDP, the project would be consistent with the specific texts of these documents. City staff has prepared conditions of approval for the project to ensure orderly and timely implementation of the project. Standard and project specific conditions have been applied. The conditions of approval also include all applicable mitigation measures from the village one specific plan EIR as

modified within the addendum. All conditions will be subject to verification of compliance by city departments. The applicant has reviewed and agreed to all of the conditions of approval. I'm going to welcome Adrienne Graham. Evening Adrienne Graham, uh, environmental and planning consultant and I prepared the environmental documentation for the project. Um we were able to prepare an addendum um which is a document that uh me that evaluates the extent to which changes to the project could affect um the environmental impacts that were identified in the original EIR for village one. Um the Stardust 12 project site was expected to be developed. Um when Michaela showed you the two uh zoning exhibits, you would see that the while the zoning changed, the area of disturbance did not. So any impacts associated with the area of disturbance would be same the same as those that we anticipated previously. Um male also explained that there would be a change in zoning that would increase the density on the site. However, it would not affect the total number of units developed within the village one specific plan area. And in fact, another property owned by um the same applicant developed fewer units or or um included in their map fewer units than we anticipated. Um so that there's a um there's no net increase between those two parcels. So for these reasons um we concluded that there would not be an increase in any of the impacts that were previously identified. There'd be no new significant impacts and an addendum was determined to be the appropriate SQA document. With that, staff in the planning commission recommend that the city

council adopt a resolution adopting the proposed addendum to the certified 2012 village 1 specific plan environmental impact report. Adopt a resolution amending the village 1 specific plan designation and zoning for the project site. Consider waving first reading and adopt by title only an ordinance to amend the village 1 general development plan and adopt a resolution approving the small lot tentative subdivision map for the Stardust 12 project. I do have one point of clarification on the conditions of approval for attachment six, which is the specific plan uh amendment resolution and attachment seven of the general development plan ordinance provided it that was provided in your agenda tonight. That first condition of approval on exhibit A for both of these uh should specify that the project will be subject to the modified mitigation measure language found within the addendum. So for any motions tonight, if you could include that check exchange, that would be greatly appreciated. And that concludes my presentation. Uh thank you for listening. In the meantime, we haven't received any formal public comments for the project. Uh Adrien Graham is here obviously uh to answer any environmental questions and we do have members of the applicant team here as well who represent the project. Thank you.

Thank you, Michaela. Okay, questions for my colleagues. Okay, is there anyone in the audience that would like to make a comment? Mr. Mayor, if you could open the public hearing, sir. We'll open the public com.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. I'm Clifton Taylor with Taylor Builders, um, representing Jin California 28. um appreciate all the work that went into this with staff um and uh you know continued support of our investment in the city of Lincoln. We've obviously done a number of projects here. We're proud to um be partnered with the city on um a lot of different things and so um I'm happy to address any questions and sorry about my voice. I was at the dentist this morning and it's been a rough day.

We feel your pain, Clifton. Was there anyone else that wanted to make public comment? I see none. I will move to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom that would like to provide public comment for this item? I see no hands raised. Okay, very good. Bring it back to council. Good. waiting. I'm just waiting. Okay. Okay. We're closing the public hearing.

Okay. Um Okay. So, I need a motion and it has to conclude with the amendments as as discussed. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. 5-0. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, moving on to uh 14B uh West Lincoln Square commercial project um presented by So Plan Thomas.

Good evening, mayor and counselors. I'm Thomas Krookshank, associate planner with the comm community development department. Project before you tonight is the West Lincoln Square commercial project. Uh tonight I will review the project location, requests and entitlements, findings and environmental determination staff recommendations. This presentation is summary of the project. More detailed project information is available and outlined in the staff report provided. Lastly, as of this meeting, we have not received any additional public comments beyond the planning commission. project site is located in the northwestern portion of the city of Lincoln uh within the special use district B specific plan and general plan area. Specifically, this application is for a 40acre commercially zoned partial parcel at the northeast corner of Highway 65 and Nelson Lane. You can see here outlined in red. The application proposes 15 commercial buildings of varying size and use and totaling approximately 245,000 square feet of development. The requested entitlements for this project are a zone text amendment to the SUBB general development plan, a tenative parcel map amending a commercial portion of the approved PI Araga large lot tentative subdivision map. On March 18th, 2026, planning commission held a public hearing for the West Lincoln Square commercial project. After discussion with staff and the applicant, the commission voted 6 adopting resolutions recommending the city council approved the West Lincoln Square zone text amendment and tentative parcel map. The first entitlement request for the zone text amendment includes changing the automobile service station use from not permitted to allowed only with a conditional use permit. The second entitlement request is an

amendment to the commercial portion of the Perry Arlaga large lot tentative subdivision map. The approved commercial portion of the map contains seven commercial lots, three landscape and open space lots. The amendment to the commercial portion of the map proposes 15 commercial parcels, seven landscape infrastructure and drainage parcels. The rightway dedication for Oakbrook Drive, selected adopted conditions of approval and other features of the approved large lot map would remain in effect. Oak Brook Drive, which borders the north side of the site, is not a part of the project and will be constructed separately uh separately from the Westing Square commercial project. The West Lincoln Square commercial project has been found to be consistent with the city of Lincoln general plan, the airport land use compatibility plan, Sudb specific plan and general development plan, Lincoln municipal code title 17 subdivisions and title 18 zoning pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act or SQUA. An addendum to the Sudb specific plan certified environmental impact report was prepared as part of the project's evaluation. The project site had previously undergone environmental review for commercial development and the com the current analysis has determined that the West Lincoln Square commercial project will not result in any new or substantially more severe environmental impacts than those previously identified. Staff recommends that city council conduct a public hearing, consider the information contained in the staff report, testimony of the public, and take the following actions. Adopt a resolution determining the addendum satisfies SQA. Introduce an ordinance approving its own text amendment. And adopt a resolution approving the amended tenative parcel map. Uh there was an error noticed uh

typographable error that was noticed in the tenative parcel map resolution. Um section three should state that the tenative parcel map uh is subject to approval of the city council. Uh it mistakenly said planning commission and section four should say the city council hereby approves the tenants of parcel map substantially in the form on file with community development director subject to attached exhibits. These changes will be corrected in the final uh hard copies before filing with the city clerk. This concludes my presentation. Members of the applicant team and staff are here to answer questions. Thank you very much. Questions for my colleagues.

Miss Andrea. Thought John had a question. Um, okay. So, sorry if I missed this kind of follow along. Um, uh, what what is what is different than what was before? Is it more residential, less commercial, or is it the same same commercial? I'm trying to follow along. What what's changed? So, the original map was a large lot tentative parcel map. So, that was done when the SUBB uh large lot map was created. So, they created the large lots for the commercial parcels and the phase one and phase 2 housing. The housing has since had a small lot map come in.

So, a commercial portion needs an amended tenative parcel map. And so that's why they're amending just this portion of the map and that requires planning commission and city council approval. So it's essentially similar to like a small lot map uh coming in that divides the parcels out that they can actually be developed. Thank you. Good. Good. John, can you go back to the slide and tell me the two you said one part's this and one part's in the future. you highlight that again. Maybe it was the phases, you know, I'm referring to the Yeah. You mean for the map here? Yeah.

So, this is the this shows the existing large lot and and the area here that's being amended is here. Um, and you could see to the right, that's the small lot housing. So basically we're we're reviewing the portion of the map here that will be amended is in this box. Yeah. And a couple slides down I think you were showing the commercial lot. Yes. This one. Yeah. So which of these one two three four five blocks are this and what are coming in the future?

This is all of the new proposed development just the commercial portion of the map. So this this is essentially the map that you're reviewing tonight. All of these lots here, the ones on the other page just show like a context. So these these are all individual lots. There'll be one building per pad and then there's roadways and easements and dedications along with the map. Okay. So it's all one thing. Yeah, this is the whole the whole map here that you're something about coming in the future and that's what are you talking about north?

Yes. Sorry. U sorry. Yes, you're correct. Um the Oakbrook Drive, you'll see that it exists as a lot on here that is dedicated as part of the requirements for developing this and the phase 2 housing. Dedications of this roadway are required from this property owner and the property owner to the north. So they share the the burden of building out that road.

Okay, good. Ben. Okay, good. Okay, we'll open the public hearing. Okay, madam clerk, do we have any speaker cards? Is there anyone in the audience that would like to provide public comment rather than Siddle Kevin Siddle rather than putting the Starbucks a thousand yards from my home why don't we put it in this development Okay, thank you very much. Any other comment? Thank you, Kevin.

Was there anyone else in the audience that would like to provide public comment? Seeing none, I will move over to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom who would like to provide public comment? I see no hands raised on Zoom. Okay, good. We'll bring close the public hearing over here. Any comments, final comments from my colleagues? No. Thank you. Very good. Okay, that's very good. In that case, I'll accept a motion which and including the amendment which will be included into the final resolution. So moved. I'll second. Thank you. Okay. All in favor say I. I.

Opposed carry 5. Thank you very much, Mr. I appreciate that. Very good. over here. 14 Charlie adopt a resolution approving the pre-anexation proceedings for the for our property and determining that no further environmental analysis is needed under SQA. The planning manager rumbled. There you go, sir.

Good evening, mayor and rest of the city council. M Pavalins, pl manager. Uh before you is recommended being recommended by the planning commission which heard uh this item last month. It's a broad pre-anaxation proceedings. The commission recommended approval of this project. It's a formality for property that's currently not within the city to be uh to go before the commission and then to the city council uh for consideration of annexation. So that's what the proceedings um process is for. Uh the applicant property owner is Mr. Steve Bra property as summarized in your staff report is um is in the red dash area right there. This um context 6 highway 65 goes east to west and to the north of course uh Nelson Lane borders the property on the west side. More road is on the south side. village five and you'll see in the next couple slides here are in this area right here but I'll I'll show it more in the next following slides. So the property uh is about 115 acre in size. There's an almond property almond uh farm uh there's a residence on the property is currently uncorporated as I mentioned uh within the city within the county within the county of plaster not within the city. uh no developments proposed with this application. Again, it's more more formality to get approval uh by the city council for annexation. This is the village five specific band. Um the property again is on the on the south east corner of the property of the the village five area. More road, Nusle Lane and Highway 65. So, the property is currently um it's

under the zoning of of um of the county. I forget what the actual zoning is, but uh within the specific plan, it has a rural uh residential uh zoning designation. Back in um 2024 25, uh the village 5 um a portion of the specific plan was annexed. However, as part of the annexation, some parts of the village five were not annexed and that includes um island A, which is called the Rock Wall area, and Island B, which is in blue area right here. Uh Mr. Bar's property again is in our red dash line. It that wasn't the intent of the city. We tried to annex the whole thing all at once uh back in 23 uh with that failed annexation. We followed up with the village 5A and that one went through the process. Um but as a result of that some parts were islands became islands and therefore uh only village 5 village 5A in red area right here is currently within the city. Ideally, again with with a failed effort in um in the the original annexation, we try to fill up as many of these properties um in a in a comprehensive way and orderly way. But as a result of that, the island the properties within the islands um have have to come individually and of course Mr. far explored that possibility and have submitted his application. Um and and what's before you is his request is to be annexed into the city. If approved tonight uh following with the recommendation um from the plan commission, more of the island B uh could be filled and developed. Broad

property would develop consistent with this drive specific plan. It would then uh realize and promote further various policies in this specific plan. Also meets plaster county laughco annexation goals and objectives in annexing in a comprehensive streamline way as opposed to to peace meal. But in this case, you know, we have to work within each property and ideally you know we we we get all of them but in this case we you know we get some parts of it and we just have to manage that those requests moving forward. uh staff recommendation uh just basically on forwarding uh planning commission recommendation to determine that the no further analysis under seek was needed. Uh adopt resolution approving the broad property proceedings and with your approval tonight I would authorize the city the city manager to move to initiate filing application well with plaster county lco. Um, no comments have been received uh tonight. Uh, the applicant property owner, Mr. Steve Bra is here as well if you have any questions for uh myself or or him. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Questions for my colleagues.

I don't have a question. I just have a comment. Um, and I shared this with uh Mr. Roar when I met with him uh yesterday that uh we'll see what LAFCO does, right? But um my personal feeling on this is I care about personal property rights. I care about what the owners want to do. Uh and so when that part of village 5 was being annexed, um I cared about the people who didn't want to be annexed and so we we fought for that and they got their protest vote and unfortunately he got caught up in that and didn't get the annexing. But for the rest of the people uh they got what they wanted and then I was supportive. So now he's coming in and so for me personally I don't care about islands. I I couldn't care less. I know LFCO doesn't like islands. I know they have like their feelings about that and there's different reasons but for me I don't care. I want what the property owners want to do like within reason, right? Like he want he owns it. He wants to develop it. And so I'm very supportive of approving that. Um and I just think it's important that we when we have the opportunity to uphold personal property rights and local control that we do it. Um, and so that's just how I feel about it, but I'm I'm supportive. So,

agreed. And this is also going to shrink the the island by 15%. Yeah. Which is good, my view. Okay. Okay. In that case, we will open open the public hearing. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to provide public comment on this item? Seeing none, I will move to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom who would like to provide public comment? I see no hands raised.

Thank you very much. Close the public hearing over here. Bring it back to the council then. So the the comment that I had was um the only thing that really made this parcel an island was the fact that the water treatment plant that we had. If we didn't have the water treatment plant in the south, it would not be an island anyway. So in that context, I'm supportive. I just figured I'd make that comment. Really not an island.

Okay. Good. Great. I agree with council member Andrea. It's it's definitely our preference to give property owners what they desire for their property before they develop it and for development purposes. I don't look at this quite the same um with like pro or not pro island. It's kind of it kind of fits into both where you know it created an island with him not being in it and it's it's it's bringing it part of the whole so it's kind of fixing that problem but it's the opposite of what um I think LFCco their their goal is to not create islands with development as well. So, if that makes any sense, I think this is being um this is leaning into the opposite. I think LFCO uh would like everything to be more congruent. This will be congruent. Um but then there is it's not black and white either or this is kind of a gray thing that was unfortunate and I'm glad that we can correct it now.

Else okay. Uh, in that case, we'll I'll ask for a motion on this over here. And there are no amendments this time, so we're good. I move approval of 14C. Okay. Again, amend. Okay. Second. Okay. Very good. First and second. Okay. All in favor say I.

I. Opposed? No. Pass 5. Thank you very much. Okay. 15A. um adopt a resolution authorizing the city of man to uncomber funds from uh C CIP 2512 uh auto car EV garbage collection vehicles and reallocate for procurement of a timeco 500x street sweeper and Chevrolet Silverado EV. I assume Mr. manager or is is we are going to go to Aaron Hookkins uh who is one of our managers of public works and overseas wastewater fleet.

Good evening uh council and mayor. My name is Aaron Hookkins. I am a maintenance service manager for our fleet and uh wastewater collections departments. Um, tonight I'm speaking to you um as our fleet manager um for the procurement of one Timco 500X Street sweeper and a Chevy Silverado EV. Uh the presentation overview, our background which includes um California Air Resource Board Advanced Clean FET uh fleet program, fleet planning, sweeping program, Tim Chimco sweeper staff recommendations and questions. Our background is uh the advanced clean fleet regulations reminder uh with changes. The advanced clean fleet regulation uh requires state and local government uh fleets to ensure 50% of the medium and heavy duty vehicle purchases are zero emissions starting in January 1st, 2024 and 100% by January 1st, 2030. 100% zero emission fleet transition for refuge refuge trucks is 2040 an entire fleet by 2042. You will notice the change from 2027 to 2030 from the uh original 100% compliance. uh the original 100 uh% compliance order that was changed in October of 25.

Sorry to interrupt you. Is that what you want us to see or is there a chart we're supposed to be seeing right there? Okay. Thank you.

Um fleet planning. Um, as you as you know, we encumbered $900,000 for the EV garbage truck and with some available feedback from other agencies since our presentation last year regarding the EV garbage truck indicate that the technology remains in a relatively early stage of development with reported maintenance and reliability concerns exceeding those associated with conventional diesel-powered vehicles. Most importantly, the change in the ACF from 2027 to 2030 for the 100% mandate has helped our decision to change our direction. We would like to replace the EV garbage truck with a new Timco 500X sweeper. Why now? We have three sweepers in our fleet. We have a 23-year-old 2003 Timco 600 that is basically used for emergencies only. We have a 2016 Timco 600 that has been overused and is frequently out of service and creates an operational and maintenance burden on staff and budget. Our newest sweeper is a 500X model from 2024 and it is a great machine for efficiency that we has we are really riding right now as our main piece of equipment. Replacement of the two currently ensures continuity uh of service, improves operational efficiency, and reduces long-term maintenance costs. Newer equipment also provides enhanced safety features and improves fuel efficiency. What is the need? End-of-the-ife asset replacement, escalating maintenance and repair costs, increased downtime impacting operations, uh parts being available and obsolete,

and safety and risk management. Street sweeping is a critical service that supports roadway pervation, public safety, and environmental compliance. Regular removal of debris prevents blockage of storm drain systems, reduces localized flooding risk, and limits pollutants from entering waterways. Maintaining this service is also necessary to meet state and federal storm water quality requirements. What is the benefit? The benefits are improved efficiency and coverage, lower maintenance and downtime, better environmental compliance, fuel efficiency and emissions reductions, safety improvements and labor savings, and public perception and service quality. Our sweeping program, our sweeping consists of five days a week, all day, and is our our goal to have the city swept every two months. This schedule is very aggressive and demanding on one sweeper. This will cause one good unit to get overused very quickly. So, next here we have the the Timco 500. It's a high dump street sweeper with some of its features. Um, all the new features of the 500 model make this a far better machine than our old 600 models. The most important feature being the hopper and chute. It is probably the most efficient design for this truck for our city. Uh, this enables us to dump our debris tank wherever we want in a trash enclosure instead of u having to run out to the landfill every time we want we have to dump it which causes us to with long delays causes us to a lot less sweeping to get done.

So this model it has it basically has a scissor bed on it. it lifts up and it'll dump into a higher uh garbage tank. Uh the next picture is there a Chevy Silverado. U we uh we must purchase this uh internal combustion with the when we buy an internal combustion engine like the sweeper, we have to get an EV that matches u with a weight rating 8,500 lb. Um, with the loss of Ford Lightnings, uh, no longer available to us, uh, Chevy Silverados are our next option. Um, staff recommendations. um defer the purchase of an electric residential uh refuge collection truck and unencumber the $900,000. Augment the fiscal year 2526 budget by 540,000 which involves ex executing a purchase order in the amount of 450,000 for the procurement of the Timco 500 sweeper and 70,000 for the procurement of one Chevy Silverado. There any questions for me?

Thank you very much. I I had one question. By by deferring the purchase of of the uh uh refuge truck, are we losing any capability? No. Okay. No, we're not. We we the reason we wanted to get that was because of the timeline uh 2027 where we had to go 100%. They gave us an offer that uh with a big discount. So it was like let's just get it now. Well, after they pushed it back to 2030, gave us a little more room to operate and we found that there is a lot of issues with them right now and we're hoping the technology gets better.

Thank you. Cronin, could you run that numbers for me again? Are we So the the garbage truck was going to be 900,000. It's going to be 900,000. The sweeper is 450. Yes. And the truck is 70. So it's 540. Okay, great. Although I don't know if I can approve a Chevy. Like I just I'm Well, we have the option of riving. It's a little more It's a little more expensive. Yeah. Like But I was going to say it's better than doing a Cyber Truck. Oh, yeah. We are, you know, the our options are limited right now with the EVs. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate that. Yeah. Good. I don't know if I can do it. I'm a Ford guy myself.

Yeah. Come on, bear down. Okay. City one for you. It's a little bit of a digression. I in the last few weeks there's been a lot of updates with carb

and I don't need to create a whole new conversation on that, but maybe you could highlight some of those and how it may or may or not impact this, but my understanding some of those times are changing. How does that fit in? So the the last change that's been done that is set in stone right now is that when they pushed it back from 2027 to 2030. Um yes, there is constant ongoing talks about changing this, changing that because they're running into problems. Um we uh uh we're we are um in compliance with the state. We just got our certificate. We're in compliance right now. It has been a battle and we are uh we're looking forward to seeing what they can bring us.

So the the that changing you highlighted 27 to 30 and that provides provides additional flexibility, right? Yes. Are there others that are being contemplated that would restrict that? I mean all the challenges we know about you you outlined. Are these other changes additional flexibility or are there actually some that are going to be more constraining? There is a there is a list of flexibilities that we're looking into right now and that has to do with uh public safety. It has to do with water. It has to do with sewer. Um uh it has to do with dual motor engines. Um it's a lot of stuff that the attorneys are going to have to sit down and help us figure out what we can do. Thank you.

Thanks, John. Any other questions? Okay. Very good. Uh do we have any public comments? Would anyone in the audience like to provide public comment? I see a couple of hands can get there first. Thank you very much.

Talking about street sweeping sid um and apparently it was put before you to buy a Chevy Silverado. I'm not I'm unclear on how that pertains to sweeping our streets. So maybe somebody Yeah. No, Kevin, totally a legit question because it doesn't pertain to our streets at all. Um to put it on a really simple, we go into this $70,000.

You know, I Let's just make it really clear. I think I can speak for Matt's department that we prefer not to buy that at all. Um but u one of the things the state did uh when there was the original mandate to move to all electric which included everyone um that's portions of that are struck down. So the state can't force an individual a citizen to do that. But that doesn't mean that they can't force political subdivisions of the state i.e. cities, counties, state agencies, etc. to follow that rule which they have held in place. So basically what they've said is if you're going to purchase you have to a certain portion of your fleet that you purchase between now and and 2030 needs to be uh electric in nature. So what they referenced earlier was we had at one time thought okay well we have to do this we better figure out if a garbage truck works. um council took that matter up a year ago maybe and we Matt's team tested out the um EV garbage truck and suffice to say it didn't work very well

found it and so we backed off of that um and so basically the way that we've chosen to try to address the the requirement is um we can purchase a large ton vehicle like this street sweeper but in order to do so the trade is is that you also have to purchase a EV V that you put into your fleet. So what will happen is is this EV will go into the public works fleet. It'll go into their water or sewer or streets and instead of their normal halftime pickup that they drive, typically one of them will drive this instead. Yeah. It's not a we we want to do. It's a we shall do.

That was kind of a crude explanation. Did I miss something, Matt? Okay. Yeah, Kevin, you're looking for logic where there's no logic.

So, I'll just provide a little additional context. The California Air Resources Board adopted the advanced clean fleet, which started in January of 2024, and it required that public agencies procure 50% of all heavy, medium, and heavy duty vehicles be zero emission. So um originally that was going to convert to 100% purchase requirement in 2027. The state and California air resource resources board effectively announced that they were going to defer the 100% medium and heavy duty fleet zero mission requirement until 2030. there's continuing developments as well as you know federal pressure to um kind of provide some relief in the emissions um regulatory environment. But how the city has navigated the navigated compliance with very limited options in medium and heavy duty vehicle uh fleet procurement options. We've elected to procure uh medium duty trucks and replace our uh our internal combustion engine trucks. So, we're effectively converting our medium duty fleet to obtain compliance um and our fleet's large enough to where we've been able to absorb that for now. Whether we're going to continue to be able to absorb that is to be determined. But as far as utility trucks and many of these vehicles, there really aren't available options. Um there's only kind of prototype vehicles available. And I brought last September, I brought the uh electric vehicle for the garbage truck to council. I got peppered with questions. I was asked, you know, who vouches for this in the industry. And we did some research and only we found one

large um solid waste company that had procured the trucks and they said that if they had the choice um they they'd probably not elect to do that if they were a small agency. So um we dropped it and we're back tonight um pivoting and trying to address another um significant community need. And I'll just take this opportunity as I usually do. We actually have a sweeping map. If you go to the public works street page, we actually have a map online that shows where you live, when you will be swept. So, we've actually improved that um quite substantially. Um Angela Frost and Mark Foster on the solid waste team have worked with our GIS department to develop that map. So, we're um transparent. We're letting you know when we're going to be in your area and uh we're looking to continue to improve um street sweeping for the community.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry. Oh, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council members, city staff had those here as well as viewing at home. Um, first thing whenever I get a hold of a vehicle or I'm purchasing one, the one thing I want to know more than anything else other than the price is what kind of warranty do I get for this vehicle? You know, is it 50,000, 100,000 or what? Um so that that one question is uh how long that will be uh for this these particular types of equipment and the fact that uh batteries now uh for a number of years you know we're we're slowly well maybe not slowly anymore we're getting to the point where there's been enough electric vehicles out there where batteries are now at that realm of having to swap them out. Um, so what I'm looking at too is my other question is what kind of warranty do they have on on these batteries? Uh, I know that there's certain vehicles that I was looking at and uh, a lot of the residential ones that I was looking at, they were like 110,000, you know, miles on the vehicle. Uh, some were a little bit less, but that seems to be the the zuring number. Uh then my other uh question simply was once we uh once this is if so approved then uh how are we set up in the in the budget in order for between now and 2027. So if there's anything in the hopper that we know that we're going to have to get uh where are we with that uh minus the prices for these. So thank you.

Thank you Byron Matt. Do you have answers on that? Yes, I do. The Let's see. The vehicle warranty is 3 years 36,000 miles and I believe the battery is 60,000 miles, but I'd have to confirm that. Um, as it's pretty low. Yeah, let me I'll have to report back on that. as far as their manufacturer warranty on the battery. The Chevy Well, this is a lease program. Yeah.

Uh this particular purchase is is not on the lease. Um because there is costs associated with leasing and because we had um sufficient funding in this particular fund, we elected to save those leasing costs and procure and yeah, we're going to buy it outright. Um but I will report back. I'll do some research on that battery warranty. As far as um our overall budget, uh we we did have a two-year plan and we also did um a utility rate study for the solid waste department that took into account uh future fleet purchases. So, we've been planning ahead. Uh we are um below that initial target and um obviously with this with this change we're saving um the city several hundred,000 on this procurement and deferral of the EV garbage truck.

Okay. Thank you, Matt. Any other questions? I just wanted to make another comment that uh first of all I I'm actually um

I don't want to say proud of us, but when we did the garbage truck trial run, I mean there was I remember that it was easier to ride in and that sort of thing, but the weight of it on our roads and all the other things. I I'm actually very proud of us that we didn't just jump to it because, you know, the state says we have to buy it and we spend a million dollars on it, you know, even though there was pressure because we did get a discount if we bought it right then, but we didn't do that. And I I'm really happy that we took the time to really investigate and then decide that, you know, we don't need to do that. And to Kevin's point about and your point about the state that that's one of the things that I think we do have to be compliant on a lot of things and the state has passed down a lot of unfunded mandates but I also think that we don't need to be so quick to jump to everything that they say and take a little bit time and push back a little bit. So I am very proud of us for that. Um and then the other thing I want to say is that I appreciate the diligence of the street sweeping. Uh, I appreciate that the the hard work that our team does to keep our our city clean and this the streets clear and safe and um and so I mean this new truck looks pretty cool and so we do need another one and I'm I'm supportive and I'll

How about the Silverado? I'll vote for the I'll vote for the Chevy. Yeah. I I would like to interject with an update. Uh, then the city engineer helped me out and did a solid and he looked up the Silverado EV and it is 8 years 100,000 mi for the battery. And then I looked and then for the Ford fans out there, I did look up that one and it's the same. 8 years 100,000 miles. That makes more sense. Okay. Thanks, Vinn. Thank you, Ben. Very good. Any other comments? Are good motion? I'll move approval. No doubt in my mind. Yeah. Yeah, I'll move. Okay. Second. I'll second. Okay. Thank you. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Harry's 5-0. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Aaron, for the presentation. Thanks, Aaron. Okay. Item 15B, adopt a resolution awarding the contract for professional auditing services to CPAs's LLP and authorizing the city manager or designate to enter an agreement for services. Miss Racker.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and good evening. Uh so this is the result of the city performing an RP for for auditing services. After our last audit was complete, the uh current contract that we had uh was finished and uh while we' had that firm for a number of years, we decided to do the prudent method of continuing and going out for an RFP. We received uh seven responses which uh for uh governmental audit firms, it's that very competitive to get a response these days. In fact, our I had a bet with our audit manager. He said we were going to get three and I said we were going to get seven. Uh so uh we reviewed all of the uh proposals. They were all found responsive. They were reviewed by a team of finance staff as well as our elected treasurer. Uh they were all ranked independently. Uh the rankings were then at least for me and I know for our treasurer as well um I used a an AI tool to uh also rank the proposals because I wanted to remove any personal bias as a result of having our our previous Fernmon participate in the RFP and the rankings that AI came back were the same as mine. So I was very pleased with that. Uh while uh and so we have elected to go with them as the highest scoring firm. Um they are not the cheapest but when you're conducting an annual audit you get what you pay for and uh so we felt that their service had uh been uh exemplary over the term of the agreement uh they do have a rotation uh program in place for the managing partnered as required under Sar Oxy there's not a requirement that you switch firms every number of years uh but it is again a good prudent practice to determine that you're getting the best service available. So with that, uh, we're asking that you, uh, award the RFP for audits, uh, auditing services to MUNC CPAs and authorize the city manager, uh, to enter into an agreement for a

five-year term. Thank you much. Comments from my colleagues.

Yeah, I appreciate that we're switching it up every couple years. I agree with you. And uh, and I also agree that you pay for what you get even when you're talking about city finances. Thank you. Yeah, I was a little bit skeptical originally uh because we have had them in the past even though we've received great service, but going through the vetting program uh of the number of people that that reviewed it and scored independently and then verified it with, you know, through AI, which is very nice. It's that's not going to be the determinant, but at least it was supportive of that and and it indicated that yes, these these are very good quality people. We've had some really good results from them and so I'd be supportive of it. Honor band thumbs up. Okay. Very good. Okay. Uh in that case, do up to Blair.

Was there anyone in the audience who would like to provide public comment? Seeing none, I will go to Zoom. Is there anyone on Zoom that would like to provide public comment? I see no hands raised. No one wants to comment on this exciting contract over here. I I'm shocked. Just shocked. Okay. Uh, do I have a motion? I'll move to adopt resolution awarding contract. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Second. I hear a second. I'll second. Second. Okay. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. No. Okay. Motion carries. 5. Thank you very much. Very good. City manager reports.

Thank you, mayor. Um, so I have four quick reports and I just pull up one thing to share. Um, so first off, I just want to take a minute, if you'll indulge me, um, sometimes in these meetings you make a decision that appears to be routine and, um, is sort of obscured by the land use process. Um, and we don't take a beat to just sort of say what just happened. Um, when you just approved the West Lincoln Square commercial project, what you did without knowing was you approved probably the most consequential commercial development in Lincoln's history, at least the beginnings of what will become that. Um to put it into perspective for you, the square footage of the project that was just approved um would be the equivalent roughly of both Home Depot and Target combined in in size, not including the small tenants along the periphery of the project. Also not including um this amount accounts for basically um call it uh 250 to 350,000 square ft of anticipated 4 and a.5 million square feet that's planned on the four corners of that intersection. So, this was the first of many more. And I just think it's super important because as we heard earlier a few different times, there there's services that lack in Lincoln. There there are places that we can't go to acquire goods that we we need to. So, setting aside taxation and and development money and all of that. Um, I just think it's super important because that what just happened took 25 years to come to fruition and we, you know, you just sail through it and don't think a little bit about it. So, thank you for allowing and as the kids would say, there is no cap in that statement, which means no lie. Um, I was challenged to use that term

during this presentation. So, there you go. Um, yeah. Cap. Um, uh, the other thing, uh, two other things I want to mention. Um u partially as a result of last meeting um city attorney and I met with uh Byron um Chapman uh yesterday um for two hours and had a really pleasant discussion. Talked a lot about his nonprofit. We talked a lot about his history here and um and then got into more detail about some um ADA improvements that um still are on the books for us to complete. they're particularly important. Um, and I'll go into some more detail another time on those, but um, we do have one that I think is already in contract and should be completed in the next week or two at the community center. And there are two more at a park that I actually wasn't aware of that he helped identify a few solutions for. So, just wanted to thank him for that. It gave us a really nice opportunity after a good long period to kind of reset and kind of figure out where we're at with some of these things and hope to just appreciate him giving that much time to us. Um and then um uh item number three is that uh really exciting news that we've wanted to share for a long time. We were kind of under this weird embargo. Uh but we did put out a press release if you haven't seen it, but um Aaron Daniellea from economic development took the lead and applied for a couple different awards for some work that um we've done over the years here. and the city was notified a little while back that we have won an award from the California Association of Local Economic Development, which is a statewide organization. So, this is a statewide award. Um, it's called the award of merit for collaboration in real estate and finance for a first of its kind three-party school facilities agreement um in village 7. We all know about that project, talked about it number of times. And separately, we also were awarded um the competitiveness award by

the Greater Sacramento Economic Development Council. Um and I believe, I don't think I'm wrong about this, we are the only public agency to win an award this year. All the other awardees are private entities that have done exciting things. So um and that is for the project ironically that you just were part of which is the uh Lincoln commercial corridor which encompasses village 5 and and the project that was approved this evening. So kind of timely um uh and super excited and a huge thank you to those two because you know we spend a lot of time doing actual work so we don't spend much time you know parading it around or applying for awards but it's important because once it's once you're done you move on to the next thing and we don't get a chance to talk about it. And finally, just for the community's um benefit, if you get a chance because um we didn't have a ton of uh attendance at the workshop, but we did a workshop last week on open space with the city council. Had a really good robust discussion. I have some great notes of a policy that we're crafting to bring forward. Um and uh we we spoke about that a little bit with the BIA at our monthly roundt this morning. They were excited to hear that. Um and they suggested um a good uh point which wasn't brought up I think during our talk is that once we're prepared to kind of move that through the approval process um unless council has another idea um we think it's important to run it through planning commission as well um because they're the ones that actually end up applying these standards a lot of the time. Uh and so um soon hoping to get that sort of wrapped and into the queue for approvals in May. So, you'll be seeing it back here soon. And um alternatively, if I reach it's possible when I get really into it that I get hit a dead end, I may ask for yet another workshop, but we'll see them. That's all I have tonight. Thank you.

In addition to the two rewards, Sean, there's also the war that you got. Oh, yeah. I don't We've already got Yeah. Yeah. Right. Bring it up. You got it up there. Okay. Okay. Very good. Okay. Thank you.

On fire. Uh yes. Yeah. And you know when you mentioned the the SUBB that really is a game changer for the you know for our community. It's it's really going to put us on a different trajectory. It's going to give us so much additional dollars to especially in the areas of of public safety to do what the people want us to do and to deliver. And as Sean said, you know, this has been a long time coming. I mean, but I think our our time is now. Those of us who have been around the city for a while remember the bad times. And it's so nice to be part of what we're doing now. So many things are going falling out our right way. And it's not because it's just happening. It's hap it's it's happening because we're applying the pressure and we're doing the right things with the whole team. And that's why it's working. That's why it's working.

Okay. Very good. Thank you, Sean. Over here, council initiated business. Yeah. Quick question before I start. Uh we do not have um information items on here. So, can I just add it to initi? Yes, absolutely.

Okay. All right. Great. Um, uh, well, so two things. One is actually business and then one is information. Um, I I I was supposed to bring this up a while ago and I forgot about it. I had a resident reach out to me um over in the Teal Hollow area and I I think she said it was Swallow View. Um, but um, one of those streets over there and I'm familiar with it because I live over there. I mean, I live a little farther back now in Lakeside, but I lived over right over there for nine years, and there's I think it's Swallow View, but there's a a street there. It's pretty wide, but there's no stop sign. There's no like it's a four-way, and it's kind of angled. Um, and it can be kind of dangerous. And so, uh, I've had other people over the years ask about that. So, I just would like just to mention it to staff. Go out there, drive around a little bit. Till Hollow area, Swallow View, uh, Lakeside, kind of in that area and just look at some of those streets. Um, they they they do present a hazard and some of the the residents are a little concerned. So, I just wanted to bring that up and then I'm I'm happy to drive over there with you, Matt, and show you what I'm talking about if you if you want. Um, and then I just wanted to mention that um on Saturday was the the Rotary Winefest. Um, which it looked like they had a great turnout. They sold lots of tickets. Um, and I bring it up because we had talked about the entertainment zone. Um, and so I just wanted to thank staff because we didn't get the like we didn't get it done. Apparently, we have to pass a resolution and all that and we'll work on that this next year, but staff's work to like kind of do it a little bit and have areas and cones and whatever. And so they they were very happy with it. It ended up being really great. And so appreciate staff making it work to the best of their ability um without having the actual official entertainment zone that we'll work on later. But

we had there were 1100 tickets sold which is an alltime high and it was just an amazing event. Everything turned out really well. So we'll work on it entertainment. We'll work on that later. Yeah. Okay. Good. Anything else? Uh just for that. Yeah. Uh are we so we're going to do comments at the end or committee reports next? So I think that I'm so sorry to interrupt. I think the miss the the error my bad. It was that we when we added that section of information and disclosures we moved information up to the front of the agenda. Um so it's fine. Okay. Go for it.

Yeah. Sorry. I was a little confused. Yeah, that's I was too. Um, I was just going to ask if we have any updates on the texturing renegotiation. I've been asked by many people where we're at with that and what we can potentially anticipate for the start of something official.

Yeah. So, um, we did receive, uh, a response from Plaster County CEO's office. um not um a super lengthy takedown of of any proposals we put an ask for clarification on a couple of key deal points that we had added in there which at least in my view are pretty easily addressable um and explainable. And so I've I've got a word document actually open on my desktop right now that I've been uh punching through to get that back to him. And I anticip I had committed that it would be early this week and tomorrow's Wednesday so it'll be mid this week. It'll be back to

and and then thereafter um in terms of their process I don't know but what I can tell you is that at this point um aside from a little bit of additive data that has has been requested I'm I'm not sure that there's a whole lot more analysis analysis that we can really provide at this point. So it'll kind of will be down to sort of you know real negotiation I hope completion and that and you know our goal all along was as soon as humanly possible and um so we've communicated that a number of times. Okay, great. Yeah,

as long as we're on information items which we should have taken off before. So Whitney and I were at on Sunday afternoon. Uh there was a a Boy Scout Eagle Scout ceremony that that were invited to over in in the Whitney Ranch area and it was really wonderful. There were there were three young men who got their Eagle Scouts. It was fun to be there. One of the Eagle Scouts was Jennifer Brown's son, Anders, and they all did individual projects. They were all super. They're all uh community oriented, but it was really so special to watch, you know, these young men uh you know, start the next phase of life and they're they're really just it it it was very heartwarming to be among and around all of those folks. So, it was it was really good.

Yes. Okay, Ben.

Yeah. Um, after doing a little bit more research uh based on a comment we received from Jason Daget about um abandoned homes and how that uh is also something that can help bring down individual property values and asking a few other residents that uh had opinions on that. I've come to find out that it's it's an actual it really is a it's a big deal. So, I wanted to see if we could bring forward an abandoned home ordinance that will allow the homes that are around it not to be pulled down in value to protect their value by um the appearance of the way it's boarded up. Uh the property can still be kept up uh even if it's abandoned. Uh, and there's actually good a couple of really good um examples of that that uh I've asked some pictures to be taken of and and brought forward and and so we'd like to see if we could talk about that.

Okay, good. Direction to staff. Okay.

Yeah. So, it's a it was a really good point because the tools that we have um are pretty expansive in code enforcement that but um outside of of there's a one section that exists in almost every municipal code which is just general public nuisance and that's a broad term and so when you get down to Newbie and I have had to deal with this unfortunately in the past a couple of times when you get down to the detail of an abandoned home or something that's so dilapidated ated that it may actually need to be taken down. Um, you get into deep legal waters. And so I think what we want to do is have language in your MUN code that sort of prescribes exactly what we're looking for and how we address that because we're balancing private property rights. It's one thing to address somebody's fence or, you know, issues on the periphery of their home. It's another thing when you get into the actual structure and and taking ownership of of that potentially. So, we'll uh look at that and propose some language for you all to consider.

Thanks. Thank you, John. Okay, good. Uh council initiated business committee. Okay. Committee reports.

Yeah. Um okay, so I have a little bit. If you want me to go last, I can. I was going to talk about cap to cap, but I can try to get through it quickly if go. So, uh, I went to DC, um, a week and a half ago on the CapCap trip, uh, for Lincoln and, um, I was on the public safety team. I've been on the public safety team since 2019, since my first trip. Last year, I did both transportation and public safety. This year, they didn't want people to double up, so I I went back to public safety 100%. Um, and so the way it works is every team has um, position papers and things that they're advocating for. Um, and sometimes we they might word them a little differently, but they're a lot of the same things. One of the things, and um, uh, Zach, you can correct me if I'm overstating it. One of the things we've been advocating for that I that I actually spoke to our congressman about last year was the issue of drones. And so when you have a a law enforcement um activity, whether you're looking for a suspect or looking for maybe a lost child with special needs or a parent with Alzheimer's or something like that, um or you have a fire incident, whatever, drones are very helpful and they keep staff a lot safer. When you have um residents or hobbyists that are are flying their drones at the same time, we had no uh local jurisdictions had no authority to make them stop. and so our have to come down and and it it hinders the the the public safety process. Um we've been asking our congressmen to push forward legislation to give local jurisdictions some authority to handle that. And what I was told is that we have a little bit now like we have a little bit of teeth now that we we can right correct. Okay. Okay. That's good. Yeah. So that way if some yahoo is flying a drone and we're trying to put out a fire or we're trying to find somebody or locate a suspect, we can make them bring it down. So, that is a good report because that's something we've been working on last couple years

and we finally got in uh language in the last um defense bill. So, that that was really good and they're still working on I think they're trying to strengthen it and do some more. So, um that was good. Um the other thing is um we were also advocating for um federal funding to go along with local funding for two things. The regional training center which benefits uh public safety again um and the crime lab. So, the training center uh right now when we have um people who come through the program and we want to hire them, we we have to send them to Sacramento and Sacramento is very impacted because everybody goes there and it just takes us longer to get people through the process. And so, um John is on the WMA board now, but I was on when we started the negotiations with Sierra College. they are buying land that belongs to the the waste authority to out there to build a a regional training center and um so there's funding coming in from different places and it's really going to help our you know for plaster county probably a little bit Sacramento Elorado that way we can put people through the training and and get them boots on the ground a lot faster correct right so we're pushing for that the other thing is the crime lab and so our DA uh Morgan guy is also on our team and um the county has already uh allocated 40 to $45 million to build this and they're going to the crime lab is going to go in Placer One where the SAK State uh campus is supposed to be and the way they're going to build this is kind of like a teaching hospital method or model where students will come and they'll work in the crime lab and they'll be learning as they're as they're processing. So right now a lot of times justice is delayed for either the accused or victims because we have to rely on state crime labs which are getting ready to reduce services if you can believe that about the state, right? Um and so the goal is to to build

this crime lab which will will really service our our region well. And so uh we were advocating for um and there's a little flyer here. the so like I said the county is giving4 to$45 million dollars to build it and then the federal ask for equipment was 1.65 six uh five and so um in some of the meetings I obviously you can't go to everyone we split up in the team and when the DA wasn't in our my particular meetings they would ask me since I'm from this region would I speak about it so I did the crime lab and the training center so um and I think we've I think what I was told is we've made the appropriations list and so they just got to push it through so that was really good and then yeah and then one last thing that um there's a couple things but one really uh really important topic that just Mike just killed me the whole time and and you guys can probably speak to this too. One of the problems that there we're seeing um is battery walls and and EV batteries. Uh so there's a couple things that happened. Sacramento uh has four firefighters that are um out and probably will not go to back to work and one of them is on oxygen and he's like 30 something years old because they were exposed to this the toxics from these lithium ion ion batteries. Um and the problem is is that uh there's there's no place to dispose of them like nobody will take them. So what what do we do with them? and that they catch on fire. Uh then, uh they have to make sure that their their equipment is fully on and all the right things. And Chief could probably speak to that, but if they get the toxins on them, they have to send their uniforms and their gear, I think, to Ohio, right? And it's like $350 to to clean these suits, which is not refundable to the department. So, that's a problem. Um uh but our firefighters

are being um injured because if if they if they aren't suited up before they realize that this batter is on fire in Roseville there was a school bus that caught on fire and normally they'd say we'll let it just burn. The problem it was was lined up with 20 other buses, right? And so that would be catastrophic. And so they were actually fortunate enough to make sure that they were geared up well enough. And um they had one one firefighter that was a little bit uh affected, but he's going to be okay. Um Troy Burkstrom, the police chief in Roosevelt, who's actually retired now as of Tuesday. Uh congratulations to him. He said like sometimes the officers will will walk into that mess before they know it. And if they get it on their uniforms, they're just going to throw those away and buy new ones because it's not as expensive as the firefighters. So the problem here, we're asking for legislation for not to not to get rid of EVs or the battery walls or whatever, but find a way to dis like how are we going to dispose of these and how are we going to keep people safe, keep our first responders safe. So, um, that just made me really worry for our our teams, you know? So, I don't know if you guys have like had a lot of that go on here, but it really just struck me and I'm like, we got to do something about this. So

yeah, so it's a major concern for us regionally. This is actually one of the topics we talk about daily on all of our issues with the Chiefs. And so um it's really a countywide issue. We're looking at how we get disposal. No one will take them because these batteries will continue to off gas for months. Um so uh it's a huge challenge. The way that we're kind of approaching it is really approach it like a hazmat situation. Unfortunately, a lot of firefighters have had to suffer some severe injuries just for us to figure this out. Um, it was a kind of a new ground for us because we fought these like normal vehicle fires or normal fires that we would fight. Um, so really we're kind of taking a very standoffish approach. You don't want to put water on it turns into a hazmat scenario, but in certain circumstances, you know, we have to risk a lot to save a lot. So, uh, our firefighters are very prepared for it. Uh but it is new territory, new ground and with every new bit of technology that's kind of coming out. Um we're having to change our tactics. So uh yeah, we are looking for support I think uh regionally because we need the county to kind of step up and say this isn't a Lincoln problem or Rockman problem or Roseville problem. It's it's a going to be a county issue and so we need to find a place to properly dispose of these batteries and um look for some sort of cost recovery in these because one incident could really you know cost us a lot of money and just replacing turnouts

and really turnouts are a long uh process to even get. So that's what we're kind of talking about. We're really collectively coming together as the fire chiefs and looking at it regionally and saying hey how can we have a cache of turnouts? How can we do this? And and Roseville's been fantastic. they've really been leading the charge with it because I think they've been impacted first. So, um, Yep. big issue. Thank you for being involved in it.

Yeah, you bet. Yeah. So, thank you for that. So, that was the major things. There's a couple other things, you know, like always, we're always asking for for federal funding for the cops grant, the safer grant, you know, for hiring and that sort of thing. Um, uh, we kind of got torched by Congressman Mcccleintoch because he doesn't agree with all that, but it was it was okay. But we had we had good productive meetings and it was it was worthwhile. So that that's my report. Y Whitney.

No, I just I I that's really interesting and thanks for sharing all that. We were talking about that earlier and I was thinking about that with the truck that we were just looking at approving and I'm just picturing in my brain all of the EVs that are coming on and and then remembering that trip that we did at Beal with the fire truck and the whole apparatus that they had that was new that you know I didn't know that you couldn't just put it out like a regular fire until that field trip. Right. Well that's like one thing I forgot to mention. I didn't mean to interrupt you,

is Roseville has had three garbage truck fires because people don't know where to dispose of the batteries, so they throw them in the garbage and the garbage truck picks them up and they start fire on the garbage truck. So, yeah. So, hopefully that doesn't happen to us. That would be awful. Yeah. So, any Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. No, it's just it's going to be a thing. So, I'm I'm glad that we're all being proactive and our uh chief and team and everybody's getting together as a region because it's definitely what it's going to take. So, um I'm really confident that we've got the right leader to lead that charge and thank you for your advocacy. You bet. Yeah. Okay. I'm I'm good though. I don't

Okay, good. Um last week I attended the Titan Advisory Board about Oh, that's right. I was at that too.

Okay. So uh the meeting was relatively sparssely populated uh but the uh core of engineers provided a uh almost like a final draft report uh and it was also had been reviewed by the by the water board and so they're working through the final decisions. There's six options uh three of which seem to be viable but they're all longterm they're all expensive. So TBD things are still happening on that and we move forward. Well, is that Can I add on to that? It was interesting to me hearing that it's going to take anywhere between was it 20 years to 55 years?

Well, three didn't count. She I feel like she was just sharing that with us to show us that it she even said on the slide it was it was not a viable option. So then we I think it threw everyone off and everyone got really confused. 20 years 20 to 50 years. So, so everybody I just felt like it was good to know that it was disappointing and I'm sure it was most disappointing to, you know, people that own some of that property and the developers, but it feels it I think it's good for people to know so they can manage their expectations and, you know, it is what it is. It's a big bummer. Um, but it is what it is and at least they're doing something and we're still applying the pressure. Yeah. I mean, so that's that's the key. So,

the fact that they're even out here and they're doing these presentations and that group is great. Um, I was really impressed. Okay. Thanks, John. Okay, Ben. Okay, do we have anything else that in in order out of order? Okay, good. We're ajourned.