Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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oh yeah Yes. Yes. I think I'll turn the speakers over. All right. I like to call the Standing Commission meeting to order.

Would people like to adjourn?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right.

All right, we have to review and approve the August 24, 2046 agenda.

I move that the agenda for Monday, August 24th is moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? None. Motion cleared. Approved on July 27th, 2026, regular planning commission. Oh yeah, yeah. I have a question. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? None. Motion carried. This point in the meeting, we opened up for our citizens. Is there anyone who has to address the planning condition about any of them? So if anybody has any questions, concerns, please stand up. So you'll state your name, your address, and . I'll tell you what. No ma'am.

Sorry.

I mean, everybody.

One thing that they want to address the planning commission regarding. Nope. Okay. All right.

We want to go to the comments and participation. There will be another one at the end of the meeting, if you have any concerns about that one. All righty, we're going to administer your support. Do you want to add to the commission?

I do want to add to the reports. Last month was pretty typical. We did almost the same amount of work as last year, but this time, just 11 permits, two federal permits, and two new agencies. There was one employment review during the course of the week. I'm looking at the turnout. Anybody question for Mariano?

No? Okay. Thank you, Mariano. We'll move on to Old Bird News. Final site plan remains linked land near the Russian Orthodox Church, Miami, and the Jackson River. We have Dan here for Dan. Everybody got a report from Dan regarding all the differences that were met. And we're like being sick. Dan, push. Yes. Yes, so your tactics are on page 19. The applicant has previous or additional information 16 weeks of development from August 12th, seven days of architecture plans from July 24th, and a response letter from August 12th. We reviewed the titles on July 29th, provided our first annuals and comments for the week, and renewed the 16-week set of development plans from the 12th, including the first sentence of the article, and over-comments with likes and dislikes. Just recapping this instruction, we tell them what this application is. It is an instruction of age 12,625, but combined building contracts, including food storage, and new future fellowships, all in a specific circuit, linked with even other improvements, along with a promotion of two existing buildings in the site. This site will also retain 2,006, the first 13 child buildings. Many of the comments have been addressed, so a lot are in good shape moving forward. Here, I'll follow up with a summary of some items that will be addressed at the current final section of approval before we move to construction, with a focus on one to the right. First, the site over in Ohio, which we managed and proposed construction in coordination with DTV, the electric service provider. This is acknowledged by the opportunity . Any future signs subject to . Subject to the Board of Trustees approval under And the reasoning behind recommending this one to the winner, there is a 2,000 earning per meal on both sides. 272 of them in which fall spruce or tundra were cool energy credits from our client. So there's a three or five Hi, so a lot of trees, 272. Yeah, so a lot of the 52 credits. There's also there's additional benefits of average weather education as described in the packet. Therefore, for all of these reasons, there is a difference between the other . We are recommending the waiver for the . This is the most important . With this being said, this kind of condition in the waiver, We are recommending provisional approval. I also want to call out page 26 of the patent says something about not making an action on pilot site permit approval. That doesn't apply to Norwich, Chico. So we do recommend provisional approval based on everything .

All right, we do want to make

Do you want to address anything else, Dr. Gregory?

If I could do some introductions. So I'm staff with the University of Lexington, Tennessee. And I hope you found it right here. And I'm sorry, I thought I was on the phone. And Jared Pager with Boston Engineering. So Jerry did all of the civil engineering. We did the architectural engineering. And I think, I don't know if I quite heard you, you had mentioned the omission of two buildings.

I think that's part of the plan.

There's no buildings being demolished because it's off of the field. Okay. Just to clarify that. So, as you know, the scope of the project, as Tom just mentioned, we were building a new cathedral. It's roughly 5600 square feet. It does have a foyer now on the second floor. And in addition to that, it's going to be able to attach . So the grand total is $119,000. So that's the brandy green. It's going to be a fairly traditional-looking point of axe church. One actual dome. You can look up into the other domes. will not have penetrations through the roof and then felt upon this image is off to the left. And we had talked about colors before and the materials, the X-ray materials are spectral and tight finish. And then remodel roof is still very same as remodel roof. So if you have any questions for architectural, The consultants didn't add in their comments, so I might pick it for this civil engineering material unless you have questions on the program. Are one of those wrong? Then we'll have to do math in the future. We're going until they close that number down. Oh, you know, those are going to stay up to check. So I just kind of pick the requirements that go with that. Those are the ones that are out. This is brand new construction. Okay. No, it remains where it's going. Okay. Yeah, the existing church will become their chapel. They're basically bursting at the seams, which is a good thing to have. But yeah, we want to acknowledge that. Okay. David?

Well?

Yes, as was explained, my name is Jared Frazier from Boston Engineering. I've prepared some civil engineering claims for you for this lovely project that I'm very excited to be working on. With regard to any of the comments made, we have prepared the response letter and acknowledge plenty of the comments that had come out, as well as the most recent comments that came back on August 17th. But we will acknowledge that during construction, that the overhead wire that is present on the property would be maintained and in coordination with the electric provider As well, all of these will be acknowledged and then they will appear dating simply prescriptions, covenants, that are more restricted than the existing zoning ordinance. The instructions you want, if there are any for the well, or if not the well, excuse me, the septic field from the health department, even our health department, will be obtained structurally, should those be necessary. If you have a question regarding landscaping, you are free to ask me any of those. We are still working on getting an updated approval from the Road Commission. We did receive the approval from the Road Commission back in 2024, when this was originally presented. We reached out to the Road Commission and the Race Commission to get a new for the other acceptance. I have not yet heard back from Road Command. I really love it. Yeah, but we'll leave that there. But I am working very hard to make sure that we get that real control for that. But if you do have any other questions regarding the similar hearing components, please, we'll be able to answer them.

Yes, yes, yes, if any signs are they will they will be.

as part of a separate permanent application. Currently, there are a number of those, as you said, and that application will be sent to you. So I'll get to that straight away. Yeah, we have a sign-in already. Yes, if the organization, you know, it might be, I don't know what it is, it's old or something, but we're happy to look through that. Okay. It would be very obvious. Yeah, it is. Yeah. A good sign-in or something. Okay.

All right, any questions for Scott or anybody? I think we better discuss about . And I think there's no reason to.

Yeah, we would grant a waiver that has to be approved.

Right. Yeah.

It's all said and done.

I am. We'll walk out there and make sure that they have everything.

Keep going. Keep going over the concrete. Right. Concrete, right? All right. That's what we're trying to do.

We'll look over the plan, which we have the waiver. I think there's already some stuff on here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

or even here we'll actually go and do a final site. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Okay, so basically we want to see how I'm going through about the waiver and which is that. I'm ready to make a motion. Oh, excellent.

I'm ready to vote.

I'd like to move that we put final site plans for

State of Latter-day Russian Orthodox Church, and Jacqueline Road, with the conditions laid out in the Republicans' report on June 25th and 26th. In addition, that Jacqueline kept to obtain approval from Washington, updated approval from Washington, lost to North County Road Commission. and included in my motion of approval of a waiver requested from the landscaping requirements to be returned to the board for their final approval.

Second. I got that second pass.

All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? None. Thank you, Lurka. Ken?

All right, thanks for drawing. We're going to have fun. Our district is coming to this on Sunday and we're going to make sure. Make everybody work.

I think that foundation first, right? You're welcome. Now we need to do this.

We are.

research of development. You can go kind of over what we put together for the package. You guys put together?

Yes.

Okay. Um, so this, uh, sort of the development rights movement, um, especially in our context, we're pursuing this, we've come for us to build a content board, um, our, one of the things that I've been doing, uh, is to take a lot of guidance from the site, um, but probably there's something in order to benefit from this program. Um, right now there's no TDR displays in the building of the program at the local level. Um, even though. Um, Yes, the master plan aligns with this. They are, we look at this for guidance in terms of why and how the PBR would serve China well. Particularly relevant is the overarching agricultural goal in the Promotion Reconstruction Plan to promote and encourage the preservation of agricultural land, the agricultural climate, natural future, and the growth of their farmland. The memo in the packet includes the discussion of the requirements for a PDR ordinance, the permission of law, and an outline of the plan's purpose, authorization to create an acquisition fund, words of inquiry for essential people, development rights, eligible grants, federated acquisition, selection and selection committee, duration of contract, and then a project for comparison and consent. So a lot of . There is also other resources . All this said, there was a preliminary memo in your package. Contributed to questions. So does kind of this equate to action items for the commission? Would you be able to let us know if there are specific items to include or exclude on any questions that you might have? And otherwise, we apologize for what you're drafting now, but we're drafting a full ordinance that makes sense in line with the .

All right. Right on.

Thank you. I know we're talking about together something that may be the plan. Yeah.

i thought we did this 20 years ago it beats us right i'm just saying i i swear that we get pdr organs that allows us to have a pd or it should be an hour yeah i remember we did Yeah.

I remember talking about it 20 years ago. I remember talking about it. Did we ever do anything like that?

I think we had to do it so that people could get it for once. That we want to do.

Yes.

Not one that we're going to fund it with.

Right, right, right, right. That's a whole other story.

Got to sleep inside. Hopefully not.

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Okay.

Well, it seems to me, I mean, . But I'm understanding where she would put together . Yeah, . Yeah. No, but that's when we went to the CGR and went through the challenge.

I didn't understand that we had .

We're going to fund it, though. Yeah, we have . So when Landon wanted to . Any questions for Dana? I'm sorry. How do we structure it? Refresher. So if the development rights were purchased, can they be resold? And how do you, did the deed prescription talk about playing with it, fighting it, or?

Are you talking about the deed? No, they've got to have them or have them or have them. Yeah.

They've been attacked in here about 50 years. Yeah. Duration. Duration, yeah. Any change by which land they can repurchase from the preservation board and preservation board . Right, but .

That way, there was not going to be instructions to, you know, who needs to pass the right. Okay, this went on, this happened like four years ago down in the construction of the TBI. It was the state, you know, the state came through years later and then, you know, in 2008 or whatever, in the year 2008, it was sort of crazy. Every time the same TBI was on the streets, and then they restructured a couple of things so that would never happen. And if I do want to go to Lansing for the water staff, raise the river, all these partners, Lansing County Parks and Rec, everybody's contributed to it for the county and the state and the federal government. And so, there's not even, there's not even one person doing any of that.

That's not happening. Right.

Usually, they're spread over state and county. So there's more in this one, and it's Entity that's putting money into it.

Right, but that doesn't mean that we're going to have plenty different tests within the project. It doesn't mean that we can't do it. No, no.

Yeah, it can be solved. It holds that the founding rights can't do it, but yes, it can be solved. They can be solved, but you have to develop potential and faith land or whatever.

No, I don't mean the land being sold. I mean the development, right?

No, they can't be solved. They have to do it pretty much on their own. Yep. They're tied to that.

Well, okay. So we would have to, that would be part of our PDR. It's not necessarily that way. It could be a short term thing like the 420 whatever agreement with the city where it expires at this point.

No, it never expires. No. We're thinking on PDI 116. No, no, I'm not.

I'm just reading what we're doing.

PDI, we're quite observationally. Those are pretty good.

Well, therefore, we talked about it before on the review, that it was addressed with a deed restriction. Did it? And it doesn't say anything further. I don't want to answer that question. I don't want to answer that question. Well, it sounds like it's those are the things that would be needed.

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Sometimes you play it off.

Yeah. Well, it's actually the board. That's what would have to do.

It would be the board of 74. Right. If you go through to the county parks and recs,

they would declare if you're eligible or not. Because they will come and look at the property. It goes on if you've got wetlands, if you've got wooded lands, road frontage, if there's wildlife, yes, developmental pressure, open farmland. They got a lot of parameters that they look at. If it's eligible.

If they're going to, if it's worth, they're going to prioritize.

Yes.

Right, right. I'm familiar with that with different criteria. So if we don't, I'm planning on actually a township, raise money and purchase some development rights. We don't need to do that. Right? Right. Because we're not going to be making that decision. Right. It would be the Marshall Council or the- Right. That's going to do that. Right.

Like the green belt around Ann Arbor, they would make, for that belt, they would make the decision if it's more to preserve. Oh, city council would do that. For them?

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No. very long that's the decision that we all have to make.

There are other contracts that are found in the department. Yes. That's what you all mentioned. But you've got to take into consideration that somebody's going to believe it's a farm. The farm being a commercial plant, there's a lot of people who want to do it, but there's no time to do it. bring it in from so many different communities, and create new funding, from how it was in the original base, was when the 13 came out, you had to talk to the federal cost, and at that time, it was $10,000. You were pretty much secure. But now, with funding, it depends on how fast or how bad you want to fund it, and how you pay for it, you have to fund it yourself. Right now, a lot of it is being offered without grants. So I thought, like Howard said, that we had left them on the brush because for individual landowners, it was a part of the process that the township had with supporting that, even though it's land conservancy or whatever,

transaction between them and the landowner. What is the purpose? We're not funding it. So we're just setting up the structure. So at some point, we wanted to raise the millage to fund this. In the meantime, when you talk about different entities financing this, is that, again, between the landowner and saying, you know, I've got a lot of development pressure on my team. You know, I've got all these people wanting to buy into the polls. I really don't have to prove that. And then I go out and talk to these different entities and put something together.

Well, there's a group that's in the quarterback group, which is under the watershed. And they've watched some kind of landscape. And you can see there's several different interviews, recent records, are parts of a lot of policy. And you can see some pretty good stuff.

So in the past, it's mostly been like one of these. But now they're working together, and what would the townships involved in that be? The problem with that would be that what we do, let's say, get funds.

OK, let me explain something. Three or four months ago, when we did our budget hearing, and we were gonna take away administration, people were totally against us. Because they didn't want us wanting to run short in the council. Okay, so we are thinking back and forth, right? And we decided we were out to buy a new process. Well, they still complained about it. To me, if you get people to complain about that, then they've got to put their, to me, if you put them out of jail, I guarantee you a pay. Where people will put their money where their mouth is to conserve what they want so badly. It's never been done before. It's been talked about. It's never been done. All right. So if we're not funding PDR in this township, then why would we need a TPR ordinance? Because TPR is allowed currently. It's not stopping anybody that I'm aware of from doing a TPR. So why do we need an ordinance in this township? Why wouldn't we want to do that? I don't want to spend money so somebody else is laying into this. That makes no sense at all to me. I think it's a very short-sighted view because down the road, I see numerous cases where land that could not be in PDR ends up in PDR. And a lot of it is entitled township, where they buy land, they put it in PDR, throws up the weeds, people dump crap all over the heck, and that land could have very well either been houses, gravel pit, or anything but weeds and piles of trash that they put out there. So there's no reason that I can see for anybody to do this. It's out, so why are we even discussing it? I don't understand.

That's when the township has it.

And don't allow it to be far.

It's meant for it to save the farmland, not for the township to buy it and not allow it to be bought.

Some of that farmland probably shouldn't be farmland. It should be gravel care. We know exactly where I'm talking about. This is where it's going to turn into that. Right now, they do inspections every, well, when you first do it, they do inspections. yearly or? Oh, I don't know how it works. I've been thinking about it for 35 years. There's more TPR in Washington County than there is in the rest of the state. There is. But most of it's because of Ann Arbor and their green ballot and the rest of the township and their organization and the township and their organization. I don't know. Thank you. Nobody's convinced me in 35 either that I'm not . I am. Well, you guys were saying that we thought you remembered .

We did something to make sure that they could do it, yeah. Well, I'm just saying, maybe if we put something in, then we'll cover that base.

If someone does want to go,

I mean, the problem I have with the PDL, it's meant to save farmland.

And when, like, Silent Township buys it, it doesn't allow it to be farmland. I have an issue with that. And like Howard said, it does grow up to weeds. And South Township in the county has a ton of parks and walking parks. And 90% of the time there's zero or one person that walks in. How many parks do we need?

I don't know anything about this in South Township. Is there any logic in buying farmland?

Well, they weren't about the birds that nest on the ground. Well, the birds have nested wherever we've worked the last hundred years, and they've survived fine for the last hundred years with everybody farming it, but why not let the, I mean, farmers, they can make income from it and that, but they got huge funds for preserving the land and the preservation was met through people farming. So let the farmers farm. Even if it's hay, you know, a lot of groundwork, it ain't good enough for your own farms. Let somebody grow hay.

So it's not good enough for that, otherwise it would be, they might even pay them for development. Right.

Land that's not developable anyway. Right. Yeah.

Right. Although, could be developed over the land instead of bringing a lot more. Right. Right. Say, we think about somebody wants to build a data center, and they're often 50,000 . your value goes off a lot at these kind of times. Nobody's going to pay you $50,000 or $40,000, but they're going to pay more than just bringing those down lists, not big enough for a bigger planter, or big enough for a solar panel.

That's . It was meant to preserve it for .

Yeah, they got more money to spend.

They recognize the ground to preserve, and they still have millions of dollars.

So they buy it, and then they preserve it, and then they give it to whoever they think will do their organic thing with their, whatever their thing is.

Well, they bought a farm, and I asked them if I could plant hay on it, and they said, no, we're just going to leave it there.

Nobody answered that. I guess my question is, if we aren't putting mud in them, then... Someone else comes in and buys something they want to count with. So if we're not putting any money in, and we don't have a few days, could they decide, well, it's root-pronged language. So there's millions and millions of corn and roots that they want to leave with that. We have orders to be stocked from. We have some to save.

You have to go to town. Right out of an ordinance, you're tapping up your tongue in Christland. Okay, that's what you're doing. And if you talk to 80% of your residents of this township, land preservation, whether it's open space, land, whatever, that's what they want to do.

And if somebody likes to talk to the land, that's their land.

And that's what they can do with it. So at the time of township, their funds started to go away, but obviously for future townships, that they were going to help us now after August, because that's what they're talking about now. Okay, now if you have that and you present it to people, you are able to take, say what you can to them. You know, if you're going to say, okay, what the hell, you know, just get a subdivision portion for them to go outside. You know, same thing, you've got to set a principle. Because we know who you are and what you represent and what you sound like. Okay? And that's what the idea of who you are and what you sound like. I mean, we've been through a lot of things. And that's what drives us. And to me, if we kind of walk the walk, you better walk the talk. And a lot of people want to see the way of preservation, but it's the money where you mouth it. And I guarantee you, But actually, if it was this year, if it was another time, I'm not sure if it would last. I mean, just like 10, 11 years later, I think that's like longer. But it only takes one time for that to be kicked from the budget. But I think by having an ordinance and setting a precedent, you can say, okay, next year, you know, if that's what the people want, you can even put it on a ballot. You wouldn't be paid a million. You know, that was the thing, because what it did is when, and this is a one-shot deal, okay? It's not a one-year pass, so it's a one-shot deal. You know, and we've been, there's been arguments in the state over the last five years with the state, with DH-216, okay? And they finally got that straightened out. A lot of times, there's a product that says they're not getting their refunds from DH-216, And if you go without that, then you're running out of money, and you're running out of 6,000 for approximately around . And I would see a little burden like that. But I think we need to set a precedent about who we are in this township, and by doing that, we will at least have something that we have to, so if we want to fund it, we need to put it through. And if we are a little bit locked up in the 0-0-0, And we have to wrap it up. I'm going to have to play them in our.

They said, talk about security, you know, with the goal is to support open space and farmland and farm operations. And I think that having a um i also like I don't get it. But they're, you know, they're working with, you know, maybe there's a little bit. Yeah, so I'm very supportive.

I mean, we preserve the legacy conservation or whatever, which is parks and rec in the state for money and federal government. They come and inspect, like you said, once a year, check out, make sure nothing's getting dumped, nothing's out of line. And they make sure that it's strictly with what we agree, that it's strictly farming and And it's, like you said, it's strictly for park. Yes.

Yes. Um, Yeah, I'm getting off track, but I think that I'd be really curious, Bill, to see about, you know, funding. I think that would be great, explaining that question, I guess.

But I don't know if that's a good idea, though.

That's all I can hear.

We come in and we welcome that, but we don't really like to see her on the party. It happens often. It happens often. I mean, Calvin would be more happy to go down with Peter, but me, not so much. Any other day, I'm fine.

I'll turn on that day.

If we were to have a speaker ordinance, would we have anything in my natural?

Right.

If I may, I just want to introduce myself to you. My name's David Lawson. I'm actually here for this is a good discussion. As you know, it's a planning commission, a master plan based on the state's requirements of what the community wants to do in the next five years. Because that's the one that's been in place. I'm really interested in that stuff that I'm saying. Here's the values. This is how we're going to protect the soil. So we are part of, our organization is part of Washington County Conservation Collective, which is us, Legacy Land Conservancy, Grayson River Watershed, and the conservation group. And we just held a community forum three months ago on this same thing about TBR and it brought in a bunch of owners who had a tough question about this stuff. Obviously, it worked. And it did great. Who can pull this away? It's great. Who fits the needs of the land? They don't want to sell. They don't want to sell. They don't want to have it. Because it's their choice. It's their land. work in a really unique way. So we're not into land conservancy. That's not our idea at the Washington Council. But our colleague, Kate O'Leary, who's a colleague or something earlier, has conducted natural area assessments for legacy or the land conservancy of topics from Michigan. And they come to us and say, we think that the parts of the land can grow. And we're gonna do an assessment that tells us, is it really good enough to sell? And we're still gonna walk out there And I went with her, I believe it was Sonny, because I don't get to learn any much from her. I have a two-year-old, that's where I take her, and that's where we got her from, right? And there's no slurry bushes, but I just sat with her. I used to lay there, and I used to lay there. Pick out all the landmarks on this 10-acre parcel of land, and she wrote a report for the land owners, and then it's up to them what they want to do. They want to have a communication legacy about protecting nine of their 10 acres from flooding. There's a lot to see with a lot of local townships here. A lot of local townships are moving west. They're very excited about this point. Why? Because you've got a lot of learning, a lot of open space, and a lot of fun. And your peers in some of the townships are going to find that. The data center, who brought up, when you were in England, rushed through a site and sued them. came to an agreement. They are building that data center as we expect. They were . If they didn't have any notices in place of where the data center can go, if you don't have a moratorium on data center to figure out which data is a symptoms and where it's the right place to go. You have that . So when I talk about that, they're not funny. The irony is, the guy who ran it out of the sewer, you know, the guy's like, what?

That's a good story.

He gets to be on this fighting mission. Yes, yes. So, so really, it's about, what kind of land do you want to leave for your kids, your great kids, your people of the body, for the next few months? And I know a lot of you have heard today, 34 years and plus. And you have seen the changes in this community with the valley becoming less and less. We see it all across the land. And so part of what we're doing is figuring out how can we help you protect your community from what you want it to be, infant communities. That's where we work. And we work with the planning development, the zoning industry, figure all that stuff out. We're a non-function. We don't have any say in that. But we're going to find a way to make good sense of it. That's a way that I find. That happened 10 years ago. And so I understand the pressure that we're all going to face. I understand that we're going to get psyched. Is it going to stay? Is it the right thing to do? If we don't protect them, But once it's gone, you can never get it back. So I just wanted to add to that. One of the things I wanted to talk to Bill about this, I brought him up as part of the conservation industry, because that was, I don't know if you can even play along here, but that's in the other community as well, about what conservation includes, what's the main value, what's the green value, this is what I'm building. And we go to the other end of these. And we could share information about what this looks like. And there's native RAS and PDR buildings. There you can do an infrastructure map of part of your district building. And providing the public themselves your board of trustees. They'll print out maps of the climate entrance. And they'll mark out what we know. What we know is that all of you and your residents will come to us for treatment one time. That information comes in as a part of who you are to figure out what do you want to say to a staff member. Because you know your community better than I do. I don't live in Washington, so I wonder about what you want to say to a staff member that may have traveled a long way to come here. But we have the same promise as Jason. Again, we're very willing to speak. We know what you're struggling with. We're going to come to you. We're going to help you. Once you lose it, or maybe it's good to find out how to find a way in some place else

And maybe that's what we can do. We need to look at the future.

We need to find a way to say it's the worst that I've ever heard of here. You know? Yeah. This is where the house is good. Right. I mean, it might be. But when you look at it,

And right now it's just getting developed because they spent a lot of money on it. Right.

At the same time, it's been 30 years.

So what I'm thinking is But we haven't seen the original . Yeah, I mean, you don't think it's worth it to anybody . Right. So I mean, they're just giving the landowner another option, putting in a or a couple of .

It's just on the books. It's not possible. I don't want to pay extra taxes. So let's see if I can add another house to it. Wow.

So, you know, it's important right now. This is something that you are thinking about. This is something that you're thinking about. And you're talking about having, you know, whatever, whatever you want to call it. I mean, . Well, you know, we could do that, too. But I mean, we don't need this in order to do it.

No, but that's what he was talking about.

We have two options.

The board has requested that we write in So I think we need to . Let me ask you, Dana, is there, the outline that you guys presented makes sense to me. Is some kind of a public outreach meeting something that meetings . I mean, especially education-wise, I don't think it's required. . Right. . There would be a requirement for a public hearing . So of course, I think we're trying to coordinate items that we're talking through, including . So we could coordinate . So we could . But yes, .

Right. Right, right.

Oh, should we have Dana write something up? And again, like she said, I mean, we are doing some organizing work. So we will need a public hearing. So we should put some, you know, I guess we just haven't noticed, but we are going to put some fertilizer in here at the same time. Yeah, I mean, but I mean, yeah, yeah. So we can put it all together in a work session or a meeting. We have a work session. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We put something together and then at that point you put something with the other ones you're talking about. Then you decide to have a list question for the second part of the page sitting down. Is that something you want?

Yes. Okay, go. Do we need a motion then?

I don't know. I'm not sure. It's very understood. Right.

Okay. Okay. Excellent. So we can move on. Okay. Um,

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. broader protection um um We were. We're. We're. We're. Yes. Yes, we're going to get a second time. Back in the point where you come across the other staff.

And now our director will sign for us to work with every councilor that we're going to see coming. If we're lucky enough to have all of these people working at that time. Typically, you or Soto can work out the most recent information about it. I adopted it in 2024. I started working for the watershed in 2023. Fast forward to 2025, I attended the Toronto River Chain Lakes Association, which is a portage lake and a bunch of other lakes. to adopt a senior audience based on what they didn't have. And it kind of threw down the gauntlet, very politely, but very firmly. So me and the new guy on staff, I was like, you know what, let's take a look at the channel and see if we can replicate this in a neutral fashion, instead of just running us with a piece of paper. So we started in May of last year, after that meeting, first with Popham Township, where it's a unit building township in Livingston County as well. Dexter, Linton Township, the city of Dexter. From here, I hope to pop into the City of Chelsea, meet the members of the City of Vanderbilt, so we can have this conversation for the next city council. And it's still, I'm playing some tag in the movement next to it. And the funny thing for this program, for us, and we've paid for our staff, but we're also working on how we're going to wrap up all of you based on what you have. Sally will complete everything to make sure it's worth one. So we've been able to pass two ordinances so far, in London and Mexico. I expect Wednesday night, or this week, is going to be a real adventure. As soon as we're packing zoning, we're going to be doing another zoning round at once as an update. So that's taking about five months to get together. But I'll be there with the draft and follow-up. I expect that we'll get approved by the Planning Commission and then go into the township board in September. The planning township board will be in town in the township board in September. Board will be there as well. Student next year will probably take us a couple of months as we start the draft. Give it to them to review before they bring it to the city council. I had a bill a few months ago, and I dropped it off in the city office. It said, sure, send me a draft, so that's what you have in front of you. It's really that Hamburg Township draft, weeks per month. Now, the initial page that I gave you is a comparison of the two ordinances that have already been approved, and the differences between those. So there's really three things, whether it's in the lakes or in the oil mill, where you can unapply fertilizer to your land, but what we're trying to do is prevent the mountain from interfering with the soil, trying that fertilizer to be quite interference, getting trapped into the food from the ground, or it then drives conventionally out of the fields. When you think out of the fields, it's because it prevents the out of the field. Those right here are some of the third lakes where this is from. So that's the first thing. The state of Michigan very banned phosphorus. I have to report on that. But this is the nutrient you can find in fertilizers that are in depot galleries or the airport or something. So you have a 50-foot section. The other piece of this is what we kind of call the blackout. It starts November 1st through May 1st or the final year when we can't apply fertilizer to the rest of the state. The reason being, when you're going to do a depot addition group, all of that So that's where you see the civil infraction. The other two communities specified that there must have been food here in Lyman and food records in the 70s and 70s in Lyman. So, whatever changes are made to that, I think, are a function of knowledge. This ordinance does not apply to agricultural products, at the very same time, because there are other, I don't know where to find it, here in Michigan, We are not touching that very well. So that's one of the questions we have. The second thing would be enforcement. I talked to the zoning minister in Hamburg a few months ago. If you can't do it with enforcement, it seems like you have to move because it's neighbor to neighbor. Lake Association, they all talk, and I've had a moment That's when you go and move it away. Remove and tell them what you can and don't because they want to consume it. My colleague, Wendy Hong, lives on Sutton Lake. She's going to start talking to her neighbors about this. Say, what's it going to be able to do for me? Maybe because of the fertilizer, because of seconds, because of all the second systems that we've been in, I know the nutrients in different way. So we're going to try to solve that a different way. I'm sorry? The deer.

The deer.

It's the deer. There's just so many deer over there. They just crack all over the lake. And then the geese and the turkeys. The geese and the turkeys. Yes, that's what's going on in the lake. OK. That's where you're going to go.

I don't know why the Canadian Bruce is protected. I don't either. It's not on the chain of lakes that they kill them off. Well, the chain of lakes, they got PFAS. Yeah.

Yeah. There's PFAS in the area. It's been there since. It was discovered in 2018 by a company called Wixom, but they don't believe it was started. From 30 ways far through the plant to the city, they have to wait for it to be planted. Yeah, so they can find a big subprime. They gave all of us some supervision. So you got a heads up that he's got your funding. Please be aware that they've already filed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and prevent improvements in the waterway, which eventually goes to . If you've been following the new Lake Erie and Western Basin, they have a huge aquifer that shuts down the water. So the city of Toledo, they've got . So we're trying to do our part, one community at a time, with a purpose of play between two different groups of folks. And our funding is actually coming from England. It's called Section 319. So our goal is to be 10 communities You need land protection organisms like this, which you've got in Lampy, you've got them in Boydine, you've got them in Milford Township, you've got them in Rosario Township. You should have one, if you don't have one, you've got it at the front of your landfill plant, which you can have feeding into in your feed yard. So, normally, you'd have to feed residents instead, to protect these acres. And that'll probably fill you into a significant amount. That's your list from earlier. I'm just here to answer any questions you may have. I don't know what your process is in terms of approving your decisions. You really come back in September for approval. But one of the things we do want to do, once we get all of these passed, is a public education program, probably funded for a different part of the community, to educate all of our parents in this community. But we know that, unfortunately, it's not always going to happen. You might have to move it outside to see that one. But eventually, things will change.

Question for you. With the education, whenever you talk to, you know, the lawn service companies, we can bet that within the neighborhood of development nearby here, it's very small, and everybody can fit their perfect yards.

Oh, yeah. you know, lawn service and everything in life. They, you know, they just hire somebody to take care of it, make it pretty. And, you know, that's the only thing. Do you require lawn care services for registered attenders? Is that an ordinance you have? Do you require lawn care services? Yeah, obviously. Do you get a permit to work in the township?

No.

It might be a good way to find out who they all are. And then we, there's another tension that we have to address. And then we can tap into that and say, what security can apply for some of the changes that the other two countries did. I'm going to say that the convention went to 100. The blackout period, Rex was affected from November to May, then he changed it from November to November. So we're always going to be communicating the norms that you want to fit for your community and for the world, because this is your community. We're just going to have to go against the waves. And we're very excited about it.

Thank you.

Gary? So I was just trying to know if the logs, log here fertilizing? Yes. All right. Yeah. Do we need to understand how they live in the past? Not yet, because the first one was in . So it's going to take a few years to understand. And we do a lot of chemistry, chemistry . And they go off of May through September, but every other week in certain areas. I'm sure they come out here a lot in the country, and they do one of the best findings in the new rules. So we'll know down the road what the impact is in the class of the .

It's gonna take, I don't know how many roads you need to clear, but right around the corner.

I'll let you know, and then we'll have to look at it in GIS land to see how many portions of that road you need to clear, as well as the lakes that you have, and then you have to . So we do have that capacity to approach language studies.

So basically what we do is recommend that the board and staff work on

Okay, all right.

So basically what we need to do If we want to change it, if we want to add anything, I know we can bring it back to the movie next. Yeah, I guess what we need is feedback just to gain that clue. We're pretty short, so...

You can say it. Very brief, simple. Yeah.

That's it.

Yeah. I know I would change the dates on that. I thought it was at least December 1st through April 1st. I wouldn't go all the way in the middle.

Okay. So like April, what would it be? Is it either April 15th or April 1st? December 1st.

It's not all over the place.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. Yeah. Right. Right.

And it's not going to really help you. And it takes two, three weeks to break down. All right. Yeah, that's nothing to do with this. We can see, yeah.

Okay, so I have to first talk like anybody who's having a week old at school. Hi. I'm not very good with words. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of reading that we should be working on. Well, every year it's April 15th.

April showers bring me flowers.

My April 15th is April, April green lights are bringing me flowers. Okay.

Okay. I don't know what you're talking about.

There's something else in here. We need to define the waterway. It's already in the water.

So we have a map in there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I got a really important question that I forgot.

What is culturally used for dissociation? What? Sorry. How can you do A and B? I don't know. I thought if you went to Michigan, I didn't know it. It's over enrichment of the body, water value, minerals, and really make you just watch it.

Okay.

All right.

I think that's too big of a workshop in our organization. We need to make it simple. You make it too complicated like that.

People don't understand.

Over-enrichment of, I don't know. One word. Okay.

Three questions. I can just see marijuana was talking when somebody's talking to me.

Tell them they're accelerated.

All right. All right. All right. All right. All right.

I guess, yeah.

She'll write something up. Come to us. We'll pass it on to the board. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. because the board actually needs to do that, right? Voting, ours only ordinance, see where they were at home. Disrepancy or things that were fighting with each other. Right, right, right. It didn't make sense.

And we've been talking about either redundancy or addition, because I think that would want to be veritized. But the land things were hard for the church and things, so I think that's going to get

So then we wanted to create a more user-friendly document to minimize the use of legal jargon. Also want to make sure that the update will contain the same actions as the previous one. Also, you know, incorporating this fertilizer for anything that might be an infection. And then finally, kind of making sure that everything that's outlined in the plan for the floor . To just making sure that everything is up-to-date, you know, but not completely right, but kind of just reorienting . So, we have a unique summary. This kind of outlines the initial finding the initial observations. This will probably be a process that's a few rounds. So this is just kind of the design for your review.

And really, we just ask that you give feedback over the next month.

But it will not be coming up in October. But that started this week, pretty much. Right. Yeah. OK. All right. Yes, we can look it over and confirm. Yes. I think we're also very creative. You know, you're working on this plant with origin. And then you have to come up with, you know, you should send it back. You want super dark.

That's all the great stuff. I mean, we're working on it. Right back to this. I think we should write comments. I think it's great that we're doing this. I do.

There are a lot of times where you're like, okay, there is something that we've said about this, but where is the origin of that being? From the church. Yeah. Well, I took the gas stage and that was the tree stage. And we've had different types of products that come in.

Right. So we are trying to find it. Right. So what can we do? What do we implement? For example, what else is good? I think so. I applied. I came up with one interpretation. So I had to take a look at it. I came up with a different interpretation. So we're going to get it. We're going to put it in the title. It took us four months to look at the ordinance. I wanted to take it on. No, I agree with you. How do we answer more questions? I can't find anything in Greek, but I can do a lot of research and a lot of education on what you are to do and what you're trying to do and what you're trying to do. What are you trying to do and what you're trying to do? Across the room, we have no record of what's going on. So all the time, they came in with a question, a literal question. or not they can do something. And I couldn't find any answer because we had so many descriptions for our motive that which one is it? And then once we were able to find out what it was, what exactly was the special use, what exactly was the permit, So it was, you know, just a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, So we have a record of it, and we have a new goal for it. We have a specific of what they're doing, what they've been doing, and how we're going to give them. They're going to continue their business, but now we have a record of it. So in the future, if something happens, we can say, this is what we were allowed to do. I think we were allowed. This is what you said you were doing. Correct. But now it's all in writing. It's written. I got afforded. Yeah, it was good stuff that you were talking about. Ron, the famous oligarch, he said, this is what I'll have started doing. Dan did a great job making batches.

Dan, I'll tell him, please. Thank you, man.

where we used to be working with black and white, you know, with everything going on. At the grocery store, we got gas stations. Right, right. And the drives. And the house.

All together.

And it's still there. And it's still there. It's still there. But we have no records.

So now we have our records.

So when they add on, we'll know. Exactly. I mean, I don't know about people. I don't know. And now they know that . I don't know if you remember, Bill, when they added on that. That's the . And it's like this close to the property line. I was like, what? Have I ever complained? Right.

We'll make it 12 months. We'll make it, you know, not that long. They're not telling you the script.

They're just saying it's a record.

Yeah, exactly. They're not telling you the story. They're not telling you the story.

They're not telling you the story. They have a lady. Okay, so we're good. Let's put something together. We have a few comments for next week. Again, maybe we'll go back again. I'm sure you'll find more and more stuff.

So we can move on to the next. Let's go on to Orbit 28. Okay, I saw initiated by the fire. Yes, yes. Yes. So the the thing I think we've got a lot of I think we're best to be considered. And then, like I said, the large section, section five, six.

Um, which includes operational requirements.

Um, um, um, um, um, Um, he has sort of trashed updates to the countryside. Um, so our kind of actions at this point, we haven't, but, um, we, in fact, the, the, the, um, we tend to look at it for a context. This will likely be our personal general color. Okay. Okay. No, I mean, everything is available to you, but if you're wanting to review it, we will be looking at it for ourselves. And if you have to do, please put the link in the description so we can look through it so closely, but just kind of on the radar, maybe so there's not conflict if there is a lot of that.

Okay.

Okay, so I guess we don't need to do anything other than that's a good thing. Now, committee reports. Count your board activities. Annette. Annette.

Our turn.

We did approve the landing design ordinance with the new land use marketing writing that they have. It was really a short meeting. We had the SMA, the cloud, that's come about for all of our projects. programs that we use. It costs quite a bit of money. But first, what the SMA cloud was expensive and didn't work. Now they can think of that as best. So I've asked next year, after this year ends, as far as . And so I'll be asking my cloud.

It'll work better once they get the new data set.

I believe. And then, of course, the Township Hall is what I have again. I'm validating the order. Get all the paperwork out again. And give it to the one man who was going to be able to pass the message. And that's what it would cost. Correct. So here is what I wanted to look at. And I guess the trial deferred that .

Oh, I didn't get what you were saying. We haven't accepted you yet. But we'll talk about it. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right.

So I just asked him if he wanted to take over.

But I didn't want to be on it. No. He never mentioned it then. He said, oh, I'll think about it. I don't know, but.

Okay, we're finding an appointment.

So great. What can you do? I was hoping you would stick with that.

Well, you've got to eat your rock one, right?

Yeah, we have to get it.

So you've got to see what it's like to not have to come and do all this. Yes.

I'm going to do two and a half on the hood. We're going to do that.

Yeah, we've got it.

Thank you, everybody. Sorry, are you done? Yes. Thank you so much for your time.

Bill. To be honest, I gave it here. When you guys asked about the school committee, we were put on together, but the reason we're not put together by the way is essentially the people we are dealing with at the front are out here in the crowd. And so the parents here in the office have had a lot of pain and are struggling.

um um

um we did not think of that because because of the realities okay whatever happened to the country road bridge that we were going to get this year that

That takes three years.

You don't know how the version is done.

I know how the shipping goes.

You take a bridge, or say our next one that we need in the factory road is cracked. Now we'll have to lose some of those that have been cracked. You come out and do an inspection, okay? Then it goes on a lift, a steep lift. That's how you do it. And then they would do an evaluation of what they were able to do. So if there was a big conflict right in the house, where the frog was able to move up with their diet, the green pigeon was going to fall over and break. That same day, I went around and saw that all the blankets were in, all of them were in their extra glass, and there was not enough weight. because the engineering process and everything to have a bridge. Yeah. And it's like, do we need a bridging function? No, it's a good call. Please take it out. Well, then what you're going to do is say the road gets closed. You know it will. And then we'll have to put through some road gets closed. I thought the money, I thought the township was putting their money up. The county was putting their money up. Yes, it is. But the situation is, like this spring, when we went out and looked at the records, and I looked at them last year, they shouldn't have gotten value to them. Absolutely. And now I've already applied for a grant-free record. So I have to apply for a grant for my million dollars to make me found a new home in the old room. Because the money, if the money's available, we're going to use it.

Right.

Because it will be bad if it's breaking apart. There's something about the width. Correct.

Correct.

And how much water, how much water's got to go through that? Right.

So the number of lights on it at 25, it could happen, but I'm sure it's going to happen.

uh... uh... uh... And I told you about the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

I did not.

Let's go to the way for Jeremy did. Yeah. Thanks.

Yeah.

With that, so we talked about in the city of Charleston that they're going to provide for them in school.

And all of a sudden, what we'll do is send out an invitation from 4G to the front for any kind of studios, captivating the first prize.

But that's what we plan on doing in the fall. And the rest of it, we're not already done. And they want you to tell them to contact me because I was put in touch with a group and asked what was the cost to do it.

I had to challenge it and tell us the value of the name.

We don't need to preserve the whole thing.

So tell us more about this engagement thing.

I mean, I heard about it. Maybe the people online have heard of it.

I guess I should take it to my daughter or something.

I don't know. Congratulations. All right. That's a new and that means September 23rd. You have a preliminary national.

All right. Okay.

Correspondence, I do not see any final public comment. I do, Mary. Where's all your friends? Yeah. All right. All in favor? All in favor? All in favor?

All in favor? There was a major supervisor. That's a great time.