City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

And you'll have three minutes to speak, and then I'll read the item. This request by James Westmoreland for future land use plan amendment approval for about 7.02 acres at 65 and 85 Rutledge Lane from RPO to CI in the UGB. Planning Commission recommend denial of staff comment that the request is unnecessary for the proposed use by a vote of 8-0 at the May 26 meeting. This represents Orders Number 26-74-41. All right, go ahead.

My name's Tanner Puckett. I live at 720 Rocky Valley Road here in Lebanon, Tennessee. We're the applicants filing on behalf of Mr. James for this property because we're looking to purchase it for our store. I just want to come up here and say that we worked with city planning on this project. And we've come to find out our specific use for this property is not a problem based off what we've heard from city planning members and the county. The problem with it is the unrestricted commercial that this land use amendment would open the gates to. And so what we've agreed to do is accept some restrictions on this property in order to restrict it down to something like our use or our use. That way it protects the neighboring property owners, which we're all for. That process is to do a PUD overlay with the C2 rezone in the county, and that will be coming back to city planning here in the next month or two. And that's when those legal restrictions will be put into place. Now, until that point, until it comes back to city planning, we are going to agree to written restrictions. And so if there's anything that happens in the county or anything like that, we will be restricted in writing. So that's kind of where we're at right now. I just wanted to say we appreciate y'all's time, Ms. Christie and Mr. Josh, for taking the time to help us through all this confusing stuff. I know you guys have a lot going on. Thank you.

Would anyone else like to speak? Come on up.

Hi, my name is Gloria Lopez, and I live at 501 Scarlet Oak Drive, which is the new five and older facility.

Now, ma'am, are you talking about this specific item here? I apologize. Okay, that's okay.

That's okay. Hey, so you'll get turned during the meeting. I'm sorry.

Anyone else want to talk about this item? Okay, seeing that, we'll close the public hearing. And in a few minutes, we will begin the city council meeting. Okay, it is six o'clock, time for tonight's meeting. So I will call the meeting to order. I'll ask Lee Clark to lead the invocation.

Heavenly Father, just thank you for today. Just thank you for all the many blessings that you give us each and every day. Dear Lord, we ask you to watch over us. and comfort the Burton family over the loss of their husband and father. Just be with us, council, as we conduct business at the city tonight. It will be pleasing to you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen. Amen.

Let's face the flag.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,

Roll call, please.

Joey Carmack. Jerry Ashley. Here. Tamia Burnine.

Here. Chris Corral.

Here.

Brian.

Here.

Dale Moorhead.

Here.

Mayor Bell, you have a quorum.

Thank you. We also have the minutes in the June 16th city council meeting. Much to my counsel, Moorhead. Second, my counsel, Crowell. Discussion on those minutes? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Okay, now it's time for communications from citizens. So if anyone would like to speak tonight, now's your time to do that. And yes, ma'am. Return. And so. So please step to the podium, state your name and address. You'll have three minutes to speak. There's a light system there that will help you keep up to your time. I also ask a couple things. Ask people not to line up at the podium. So if someone sits down, just walk on up there. And please treat all speakers with respect. No clapping, no booing, those types of things. So with that being said, go ahead.

Hi, my name is Gloria Lopez. I live at 501 Scarlet Oak, which is the 55 and older new development. And I'm here on behalf of some other residents. We are getting our water bills and they're really high because the irrigation that we did is not on a separate meter. And so, for example, my monthly bill that I received today was $329.80. So because a lot of us are on a fixed budget, I was told that y'all had this two years ago or removed it two years ago that you used to estimate like throughout the month and it was a certain amount. For example, MTE does it and I pay $48 a month And then so I know what I'm going to be paying every month. And I was told that you guys did do that for the water and sewer bill. I don't know if that's true or not. But I just wanted to see, or some of us wanted to see if that would be a possibility to bring that back. There have been a lot of three $500 bills. And when I talked to Becca at the water place, I went there today, and she said one of the residents called because they had $1,000. bill. So it's really tough for us that are on a fixed budget. So I'm just hoping you guys would reconsider and maybe just bill as average throughout the year.

Thank you. Maybe I'll just let you speak.

Let's see.

school uh i live at 529 scarlet oak i'm not really here about the thing but i think that's something maybe to explore there's probably some reason why you switched it the last time uh i just want to say two things one i want to just appreciate express my appreciation for everybody that worked really hard to put together the fourth of july program i know the weather didn't cooperate But I know a lot of people work really hard to practice music and it floats together and all of that kind of stuff. And the guys out on the side of the road putting up the banners and the flags, it all looked really nice. And, you know, it feels good to move someplace here where that kind of stuff is celebrated. So I really appreciate that. Sorry, you know, to Public Works, whoever. I know there's a private company or people that do that as well, so appreciate that. The other thing I noticed in reading the minutes from the last meeting, I appreciate the mayor's comments and some of the other people with respect to the county commission passing a resolution opposing the water treatment plant possibly being in the county. Why they do those kind of things, I don't know if it's because it's an election year or what, but it just seems a little tone deaf given the fact that all of us who live in Lebanon also vote in the Wilson County elections. And also, as you pointed out, the county uses the water sewer treatment facility quite a bit here. And so for them to kind of take that position without anybody here, a little disappointing. So I do appreciate those comments as well.

Thank you. Anyone else?

Hi, Council. Thank you for letting me speak. So I've been watching our council meetings over the past several months. Just your name and address, please. Adam Pratt, 502 Prairie View Avenue. Thank you. And I've worked in the State House and our State Senate a lot, and I've seen a lot of dysfunction in government. But what I've seen in our last meeting was over dysfunction. During the meeting, there was a concern raised by a city council member about $30,000 that has been spent on office supplies for the Mitchell House. Give me a minute. These items that have been told that they are not period appropriate, they are an eyesore on the House. And if these reports are accurate, the people of Lebanon deserve answers. We deserve transparency, accountability, and through a thorough investigation into how our taxpayer dollars are spent. What troubled me the most was not just the reported spending, it was the response. Instead of welcoming questions and oversight, it appeared our city mayor and the county attorney decided to attack a council member and saying it was not her place to micromanage the city. I can tell you from my own experience, it does not take $30,000 to furnish an office. I have furnished many that does not take $30,000, maybe $5,000. If that figure is accurate, then the taxpayers deserve a full amounting of every dollar spent. The people of Lebanon work hard for our money. Our families are struggling to put food on the table, pay rent, keep up with rising costs, and they expect their taxpayer dollars to be managed responsibly, not spent without meaningful oversight. And I live in Ward 2, and we have many, many issues that feel ignored. We see infrastructure needs, neighborhood concerns, and community priorities that continue to go unaddressed, while questions remain about major spending decisions. Let me be very clear. The city council is not here to simply approve whatever the mayor wants. It is your responsibility to oversee the city's finances, protect our dollars. And that is exactly why the people elected you is to hold people like Mayor Bell accountable. No mayor, regardless of who occupies that office, should operate without scrutiny or accountability. Checks and balances exist for a reason. We urge the council to take its authority, demand transparency, and remember that your first obligation is not to fear Bill, but it is to the people of Lebanon, and it's definitely not to the city administration. Thank you.

Thank you. Anyone else?

They passed out. There you go. Adrema Higgins, 105 Moss Court. I'm here because I've got a question. As city officials, do you ever go back and listen to the city council meetings? If not, let me suggest you go back and watch the June 16th, 2026 city council meeting. And I want you to self reflect on what you hear. As a citizen of Lebanon, I've lived here all my life, actually went to high school with Mayor Bell and Chris Kraut. I was very disappointed to listen to the retaliation that was going back and forth. Let me be clear, Wilson County Commission, yes, they passed a resolution. But they passed that resolution because they were listening to their constituents. I ask you to think about this ordinance 267445 that you plan to vote on tonight. Is this something that you think your constituents want you to do? And that's to take funds away from the Expo Center. mayor bell actually stated at the june 16 2026 city council meeting lebanon does more for wilson county than wilson county does for lebanon i did some freedom of information act requests from wilson county government this is what i have found out you do not pay 300 000 a year for for the cost sharing of reappraisals to the property assessor's office. That's $300,000 a year. That's not in your paperwork, but that's coming from the property assessor's office, and I will get that information. Also, and by the way, that was an agreement between Mayor Hutto and all of the city mayors, not just the city of Lebanon, is what I've been told. You also have the county paying you $50,000 a year now to the Lebanon Airport every single year. That's in your paperwork. Also, the county also pays $1,500 for Think Green, Think Clean. As a teacher for 28 years, I participated in Think Green, Think Clean. I think it's great. I'm glad that the county is involved in that. Also, the county also paid you impact fees for that jail that Mayor Bell called the prison. Well, actually, it was the courthouse that he called the prison. They paid you $454,753 for that courthouse impact fee. County also serves city students who go to a county high school.

Your time is up.

Thank you.

Thank you. Anyone else like to speak?

Derek Dyson, 106 Chapman Drive. The city will never be as fun again on Saturday night because folks won't be able to feel the breeze between their knees in the city of trees down the road from Liquid City. I was a long-term listener back to the 80s. Also simultaneously listened on Saturday night to the Opry. June 16, City Council meeting, minutes, page three. Well done presentation, Mayor Bell, regarding city sewer serving county buildings. I realize that Councilor Carmack is not here tonight. Councilors Carmack and Bryans, nightmare city council meeting has arrived and here's why that is i'm blowing them kisses The reason why is tonight they are trying to demonstrate how to fix a city misstep, which was annually giving $100,000 to the Expo Center for 20 years. In the future, that $100,000 could be used to fix my issue with the current city budget, which I'll address at another time. Obviously, no public officials in the history of the United States have ever dealt with the hairball as y'all are in the site selection of a public utility project, which is a sewer plant site. The two-page document I'm having handed to y'all, few folks ever consume documents so interesting, and I barely scratched the surface.

Thank you. Anyone else?

Charles Smith, . I have a hard time understanding why we like to turn straight lines into zigzag puzzles, such as taking what was Hartsville Pike and that ran all the way down to Leland Lane. I get my part of it had to be cut off by the expansion of the new Hartsville Pike, but why on God's green earth? We stuck a rock and a couple of oversized sawhorses in the middle of the road for no reason beyond me. I don't understand what the deal is with withholding money from the Expos there. It seems kind of silly. I mean, the city probably makes a couple million out of the revenue from that.

I don't know.

I don't math much. I don't want to see a county-city battle, you know, seeing who can be the most stupid. Don't do that. A big problem I see a lot all over the city is it looks like the city has turned into Brawley Parkway. It's one unfinished project after the other. My road, Leland Lane, was supposed to be finished over a year ago, and it's stupid that it hadn't been done. Meanwhile, I'm driving over golf divots all up and down the road. It's dumb. It causes wear and tear on my suspension, wear and tear on my tires, wear and tear on my back. I got a bad back. Quit it. Finish stuff up. It's not that hard. Start it, finish it. If you don't have the materials on hand to finish up the job, don't start the job. The science is really tough, right? Can we get that? Yeah, that's about it. Guys, you're supposed to be stewards of the city. Do better.

Thank you. Anyone else? Okay, so now we'll move on to my comments. I do have several things tonight. The first one is, as you guys know, Councilor Carmack's not here tonight. He want me to let one know that he's returning from vacation today. And so that's something he told us a couple months ago. Also, tonight I'm announcing that Jalissa Tubbs is being added to the board of the Lebanon Housing Authority. She comes at the recommendation of Patrick Johnson. And so I appreciate her willing to serve on this committee. It's a very important committee and taking part in the process of looking after the housing authority. Also, there is a... a project on Highway 109 that is going to begin next week. TDOT is going to do some work out there around the I-40 interchange. So anyone who drives that corridor will be looking out for that beginning sometime next week. At least that is TDOT's plans to do that. Also, I appreciate the mention of the 4th of July. i do want to thank everyone who worked on on the celebrations this weekend the parade was rained out unfortunately a lot of work went to that there are a lot of businesses in town that uh and groups organizations that we're going to be involved have floats i know several of you on the council are going to be involved as well so i appreciate everyone all the city employees who work on that the city employees are going to be involved everyone out there you know that was something special the 250th and and so I hate it didn't happen but it was it was a call for the weather and it was it was you know it was it was disappointing but because I know a lot of people looking forward to it but I do thank everyone who worked on that We were able to have our annual celebration at the fairgrounds this weekend, Saturday night. We estimate that's the biggest crowd we ever had. There was a lot of people out there, and I appreciate everyone who worked on that to make that happen. um all the employees we had we had live music we had activities for kids live food trucks we had a skydiver this year who brought in the american flag to make it a little special for the 250th and of course we had the fireworks and so it was um it was a great night but again i cannot think enough everyone who attended and everyone who worked to make that possibility um You know, 250th obviously is a special year, and we want to make it special this year, and I think we made that happen. One other thing I do want to mention over the weekend, too, just to thank people, as many people may not know, is that over the 4th of July weekend, actually on the 4th of July, I think, There were a couple of water and rain breaks across the city. And so our guys in the utility department, street department, they were out there working to make sure that was fixed. And so that work never stops to make sure that things are working right, especially in the utilities area. And so I appreciate everyone who got there and did that on the holiday. We have on-call people, but you really like to be with your families on days like that. And they were out there working for the citizens, and I appreciate that. And then lastly tonight, since we were last together last week, Fred Burton passed away. And Fred served up here on the city council for over 30 years, and was a huge part of our city's history, and a huge part of our city's future as well. I just want everyone to know that on Saturday will be his celebration of life. It will be at 4 o'clock at the Expo Center. There will be visitation there from 2 to 4 before the celebration begins. But also earlier in the day from 10 to 12, Fred will lie in state here at City Hall. So if people want to come by here and pay their respects to the family, He will be here. His son, Anthony, called me and asked about that. And I know Lee and Mike and everybody has worked on making that happen on Saturday. So we're honored to be able to do that for someone who was here for so long for the city and for the citizens, the citizens specifically of Ward 2, but also the citizens throughout Lebanon. About four years ago, Fred was presented with the Legends of Lebanon Award. And this is an award that began years ago by the city to give to people who've who've made a real impact on this city. And he was here with his family was here for that night for the award to be to be presented him to be read. But I thought it'd be appropriate to read it again tonight to really honor what what Fred did. and who he was and read it once again to the record. So I'm going to read this as it was written and as it was read originally. The Legends of Lebanon Award to Fred Anthony Burton. An elite group of businessmen and women have made their mark on the city of Lebanon's business scene. It is appropriate that these individuals are recognized for their contributions to the financial, retail, industrial growth and stability of our community. Fred Anthony Burton is such an individual who has demonstrated the highest integrity, steadfast leadership, and a wavering fairness in the performance of his lengthy career. You may know him as Counselor Fred Burton or Fantastic Fred, the Saturday night voice that sends out tunes from WNT to greater LA, the Lebanon area. Fred grew up in Lebanon and has worn many hats during his lifetime. He was born a music man. He mastered the trumpet in the fourth grade. and was sent to the Wilson County High School to play in the band. He played numerous DJ gigs across the state. He also opened Top Catch Record Shop at the Tiki Lounge for Lebanon's youth. He became a master barber and opened the Esquire Barbershop. Fred was drafted into the U.S. Army and served six years and 13 months in Korea. During the summer of 1965, Fred enrolled at Tennessee State University and graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration and a minor in Accounting. When he returned home from Korea, Fred began his broadcasting career. He worked at WVOL in Nashville and WCOR in Lebanon. During his disc jockey career, Fred met the Four Tops, the Temptations, Marvin Gaye, Teddy Pendergrass, Ray Charles, B.B. King, Smokey Robinson, Patti LaBelle, the Manhattans, the Pointer Sisters, and the godfather of solo, James Brown. Fred will be quick to tell you he fed James Brown and his band at his house. Always community-minded, Fred was the community director of the Wilson County Civic League. Through the Civic League, he petitioned the Lebanon City Council to redraw the voting district so a minority could be elected to the council. The city agreed. Fred was elected to the Lebanon City Council in 1985 to fill that seat. He has also served on the Lebanon Municipal Airport Commission, the 911 Board of Wilson County, Vice President of Wilson County Civic League, and a member of the Mount Zion Baptist Church. He is a member of the Just Blues Music Foundation, Leavenworth County Chamber of Commerce, and was chosen mayor pro tem three times. As Councilor Fred led the charge to upgrade the Bluebird Road and Trouser Ferry Pike areas, he was instrumental in getting a million-dollar grant to run sewer and restore quality homes to those areas. So far, Councilor Burton has served five terms on the Leavenworth City Council. Hi, Fantastic Fred goes on the air at WANT. The format gets in the groove as Fred spins a mix of rhythm and blues, soul, disco, rock and roll, and hip-hop, spanning several decades of music. He has a wide listening audience all over Middle Tennessee. Fred, a family man, is married to Billy Ann. They have one son, Fred Jr., who is a mechanical engineer at Nissan. Grandson, Neil, is currently stationed at the Air Force Base in Mississippi, where he's trained to be a fighter pilot. For his personal achievements and inspiration to others, the city of Lebanon wishes to recognize Fred Anthony Burton as a Legend of Lebanon, a title for those exemplary individuals who made lasting contributions to our community. And Fred certainly made a lasting contribution to our community. So as Lee said in his prayer, please keep the Burton family in your prayers. And as I go through this time, and again, his service will be Saturday at 4 o'clock, and he will lie in state here from 10 to 12 Saturday. Councilor Ashley?

I think, first of all, I would like to extend my sympathy to Fred's family. I mean, obviously, as Mayor stated, Fred was a huge part of the City Council and a huge part for Ward 2. I only knew Fred for a brief period of time, but he was always incredibly supportive to me. He invited me to his home. uh he called me at late hours and told me what i was doing wrong and what i was doing right and and i um really appreciate his wisdom i think he is a legend and um he is going to be greatly missed for all the things that he did for the city and particularly for war two um I have a couple of other things that I wanted to see if I could get some updates about. Steven, I wanted to see if you could give us an update in terms of when we're going to get our ordinances up to date. I've been trying to be independent and review some of our ordinances, and I actually got some of them through a FOIA request. I'm incredibly frustrated with the records that we have that they're not even legible. They look like they came off a 1962 microfiche. So, and I don't know if you want to look at these or not, but I mean, I put a magnifying glass on them. They're blurred. You can't read them. I know that we've hired a vendor. It seems like when you're trying to look at an ordinance that some of the old ordinances have not been removed. They're stacked on top of each other. So I hope that we can get these updated. Do you know any information about when our ordinances are going to be updated?

I believe you passed an ordinance to kind of recodify that. And Beth is currently working with an online provider called MuniCode to get that formatted. And I think it should go live sometime between two weeks to the next month, I think.

Do you, would they take out all the old ordinances as well?

It should be updated to everything that's been passed through. It'll be current and it'll be easier, much easier to update as we go forward on the online portal than it was in the past.

Do you, will it still be like, I didn't even know OnBase existed. So would it still be OnBase? I mean, is there a way for the public to access our ordinances as well?

Yes, it's not through OnBase. It's through another company. Okay. And it's called MediaCode. It's used all across the United States. It's actually very easy to use and very easy to access. You can actually, when you go through it, it has different formats that you can download specific parts of the code if you wanted to, or you can download the entire code. And like I said, as we go forward and you pass ordinance here, changing the code, it'll be much, much easier to update online and with the Muni code than it has been in the past. So it should be much easier to keep it and it'll be very legible and it'll be very good. But do you know what I'm talking about? I don't know that specific thing, so I'd have to look at it.

Yeah, I just want you to look at it because I don't even know how somebody could update that. It looks like it came off a microfiche. And again, we don't have to discuss it, but it's concerning that it's not legible. And I don't even know how you could reproduce it based on the form that it's in.

That came out of OnBase, Steven?

Pardon? Lindsay was just saying this came off of OnBase. Yes. That'll be a different, like the ordinances I'm talking about, that's your municipal code. That's what's going to be on community code. So that's different than what's on OnBase. These, I believe, and Lindsay can correct me if I'm wrong, there's some kind of system we have to scan this in and it formats it and puts it online. I'm not too familiar with the

specifics of that so maybe lindsay if we can get some more information on for you on that okay uh and that's good to know it's in a couple of weeks that we probably have those updated i'll take those back if you don't mind um I also, so go ahead.

If I could just say, I'm very much looking forward to getting the Muni code on that website because, you know, as an attorney, I have other attorneys that look for it and it's going to be much easier to find. And also any member of the public, it'll be very easy to find. It'll pop up well in Google searches. So that should make it much more transparent going forward. Okay. I hope so.

Kristen, I wanted to ask you as well. I heard a really bad rumor that something has happened with our sidewalk project. Is that right? Is there some issue with federal funding on sidewalk projects?

We just have to rebid it, so it'll come back to you. So it's still moving forward. We just probably lost three weeks or so. So it's part of it. Sometimes that happens when you have state or federal funds. There was a change in the federal, something in the bid book that needed to be updated because we have federal funds, and TDOT didn't accept our bids, and they asked us to rebid it. So it's still moving forward. It's currently out to bid. And you'll have it back before you in a couple weeks.

It's still moving forward. The Market Street and all that area. Yes, ma'am. It's still moving forward.

It just is a bit delayed.

Gotcha. Okay. I think that's it. I mean, I just had one other comment that, you know, I did appreciate Aiden's comments. I still am not fully recovered from being told that after a budget is proved that I don't have the ability to question expenditures. And that just goes against my common sense. I do want to point out that in our charter, Uh, there is in our charter and obligation of the finance department providing us with monthly financial information. There's also an obligation of the mayor pro tem to provide to review all the expenditures on a 30 day basis. So I would like for us to revisit this mayor if we could look at our charter and make sure we're upholding the obligation of our charter. in terms of reviewing the expenditures because I believe Aiden is absolutely correct that we do need to know what is going out the door and we should have a right to scrutinize those expenses.

Thank you.

I would like to thank everybody from the city and everybody in general who did try to participate in the 250th anniversary. It was fun, and we appreciate all the hard work of our employees and staff for helping with that. My condolences go out to the Burton family as well. It was a complete honor to be able to sit beside Fred for the last six years. He was a good man. He was a mentor as well to me. And he was a good time. And the city is losing a legend for sure. and I will be here Saturday to pay my respects and very much to the family. He will be missed, especially on Saturday nights. Ms. Bryan, it's so good to see you here. We've missed seeing you and of course we've missed seeing Mr. Bryan a lot too. So thank you for taking the time to be here tonight. Let's see. Mayor, I sent an email on June the 19th, I believe, and I have not received a response regarding East Main Lights in Phase 1. In my email, it stated that I was disappointed to learn that another event was being held in my ward without any prior discussion or communication with me. I am also unclear on the purpose of the lighting ceremony for what appears to be a relatively small segment of roadway described as phase one. This raises several questions. How many phases are planned? This is the first I've heard of it.

Well, Council Burdine, when the light project was presented originally to City Council, you and Councilor Ashley as well were concerned about lights going up College Street and further up East Main Street. we understood those concerns we met uh in december we met about that and uh we were all there lee was there i think chris was there too i can't remember if she was there or not to talk about those those that part of it so um when we talked about that i considered that phase two there's phase one there's phase two so um

Was there more than one face besides two and three? Because we've got other parts of the square.

Well, I will say this. When Lee and I discussed lights on East Main Street, one of the things that we did talk about was that eventually, at some point in the future, there would probably be lights on the other three sides. spokes going out from the square. But in this instance, I was specifically talking about what you and Councilor Ashley and I discussed with Lee on the street that day. So I believe phase two is what we discussed. Now, if there are future phases, they have not been discussed. It's just what we've talked about.

Okay. And what's the timeline for this phase one and phase two? Because we were told spring.

So, Lee, do you have an update on that?

Yes, I have actually two lights on order. We bought the bollard lights hoping that they would be sufficient for it, and when we put them up, they weren't. Then I found a separate company that we're going to order from. They were about three times the cost of anything else I could find, so I kept looking, and I've now found some that will fit on the existing pole's just like the ones that are around the square, and they're supposed to be here sometime the end of July for us to put those up and assess those to see if they will – I'm hoping that they will work for us.

And where will they be put up?

Somewhere on College Street. We put the others over where Smith's Catering, somewhere right in that area, so that we could tell in that area what they – how they perform.

We were never told that you put some up to try.

I think he may have told me. I thought the bollard lights that we had, they may still be there. I don't know if we've taken them down or not. We had the small ones, but they just didn't put out quite enough light.

Redoing a sidewalk too. So we, are we coordinating with the sidewalk?

Yes. Well, these that I'm trying to find are a solar light so that we will not have to lay all the conduit in the, wire underneath all the sidewalk because once you do going up uh east main so we're going to try to these solar lights and hopefully they work for us okay and then are we going to use the the string lights as well what did we decide on that uh no we were not going to go with the string lights we had decided that we would stop one block off the square in each direction with the screen lights and just do hopefully lighting that would be similar to the square on out, but stop with the string lights one block off.

Okay. Thank you. So by August, we should have those lights up.

Yes, as soon as they get here, we've got a couple of temporary polls to put them up, like I said, to see what the consensus is on how they perform.

All right. And then, Mayor, when is the park going to be finished? Are we planning on having a celebration for that? Are we going to start holding separate events and ceremonies for each? It seems, like I said in my email, that it seems to be more practical given the cost demands of our city resources that we combine some of these events.

Well, Council Burdine, the event on East Main did not cost much. It was an event, as I said in my email to you guys, I did apologize for late notice. We did coordinate this with the Chamber of Commerce and the businesses on that block. The business participated, really appreciated the event. Part of the event I paid for myself. So I don't think a ribbon cutting or an event like that really cost us all that much. Obviously, you can see the park itself is close to being finished. There will be ribbon cutting for that. There will also be ribbon cutting for the splash pad. And we'll probably have more ribbon cuttings and celebrations going into the future.

But you don't know when?

So the splash pad, no. I don't know when it's going to be.

The park that's in my ward?

The park in your ward, I would like to have on July 17th.

So I'd appreciate it if you'll reschedule that. Okay. Because that's not much notice. Also... It does cost resources. It causes our police time and overtime to do that. And I just think it should be worked out together that we do one, you know, event.

Well, Councilor Burton, I disagree. Well, it's my award. I understand it's your award. But just like you talked about the 4th of July event, the Pray It Didn't Happen, these are events that people enjoy, and that's something that we do for our citizens, for people to get out, be able to get out, appreciate our city, enjoy our city. It was a night. They'll say the business is really appreciated. People enjoyed it. People will enjoy the event on the square. They'll enjoy the splash pad. That's part of what we do as well. And we're going to continue having events.

Well, the Main Street program weren't given much notice either. Neither were the Merchants Association. So I think it would be important that we collaborate with these groups, especially on the square.

Well, I'm glad to know that because every indication I got from them was they enjoyed it. They thought it was a great night. They appreciate it. So thank you for letting me know that there was a different opinion about that.

Well, they didn't get that much notice was the different opinion. Not that they didn't enjoy it. They didn't get any notice. You mentioned something, Jerry, about the ordinances and those. So is the financial ordinances different than what our codes will be, Stephen, on a different system? I mean, wouldn't everything be together? Any kind of resolution or ordinance we've made?

Well, that's. a little bit different your municipal code that's the laws you've passed so that's different than the resolutions or budget ordinances all that kind of stuff the on base is a record keeping system where you scan in the documents that's that's that's generated and so it's like a public access portal for people to do their own kind of public record searches the muni code is just us posting here's our municipal code regarding you know, here's our property maintenance provisions. Here's our traffic provisions. Here's how the boards and commissions that are organized under Title II, I believe. Here's how that is. So that's basically your law. So it'd be like your, be the equivalent to the Tennessee Code annotated that you can see online. It'd be just like that. This is your laws that you enforce. And so that's a little bit different than your record keeping system, which is what OnBase is.

Okay, well, I thought Mayor had asked Gerald's department to have that done by the end of last year, but I thought it was all the ordinances that we can pull up.

Well, in this scenario, ordinances, it just basically means ordinances passed for your municipal code. Those are also referred to as ordinances. It's actually entitled your code of ordinances is what it is. And again, it's a little bit different than an ordinance that you pass here. Say if you pass an ordinance that says we're going to amend Title 13 to add this section to your property maintenance code, and then it has a section in there that says Section 1, we adopt this. That language in Section 1 is actually what goes into the municipal code, whereas the ordinance document itself that has the preamble and all this stuff, that would be scanned in onto OnBase so you can see that record.

You've lost me. So it won't be as easy to read on OnBase as it will with this other group.

I'm going to have to see exactly how you're accessing it. When I go on there and do a print in, I'll download it as a PDF and that allows me to look at it a little bit better. So I don't know exactly what steps you use. I can't say it's going to be better. It's going to be worse until I know exactly what you did.

So all of them are going to be updated. Is that right, Mayor? What was your goal? I thought it was to get everything updated.

yeah my goal was to uh to update the ordinances and um and you're right to to update everything so um you know we did hire that wasn't in the company muni code yeah munico to to update everything so um stephen and i will dig into it to see exactly what that means but that's that was the ultimate goal okay and that was when that passed like three years ago

No, I believe you passed one on second reading at the end of last month to recodify.

Yeah, but there was something. We passed ordinance to hire community code to, yeah.

Okay. I don't know exactly when the date of that was. I just know as far as recodifying and doing what Mayor Bell had talked about, I think that passed a couple weeks ago, and so that's what we're posting on community code to completely update all the code of ordinances for the municipal code.

Okay, that's it.

Thank you, Councillor Crowe.

Thank you for you and the city for all of the work that went in on the fourth celebration. We were all lined up on Friday, and there were some great floats, actually, some public officials. And one person said they had been working on something for a while and was a lot of promise there. Unfortunately, the weather didn't cooperate with us, but I thought that the spirit – uh, in the community was outstanding. Honestly, there were a lot of people that had lined up up and down the street and, uh, people that really wanted to participate. And I think a lot of those people came out on Saturday, honestly, um, that, that they were determined to celebrate the 250th anniversary of our country. And, um, you know, Hopefully, we've still got the best country on earth. The people that are here and online, we're not always gonna agree on everything that comes up before us. But I still think that we find a way to come together and to make our government work. And honestly, I think most government, most really good government happens on the local level. And I think one of the reasons for that is because we can't run away from each other. If I'm in Washington, I might not have to face any of you folks out here. But when I'm in Lebanon, Tennessee, I'm probably going to run into you at Kroger or Walmart or the ball field or waiting for the fireworks to start or whatever. And so when we have differences of opinion, we have to work them out some way or another. But hopefully there are lots of good things that we can agree on. And I think having that celebration Saturday night was terrific. I want to touch on the East Main Lights just for a second. It's not in my ward, but because it was in our city, I did attend that night. And, you know, there have been events that have held in my ward that I couldn't attend because I was out of town or on vacation or whatever. And we all have life and we have to live life to the fullest. But that particular night, I thought there's a real good turnout, positive PR. The businesses that I went in, they were all excited about it. And it's good to see our city moving forward on many different levels. So I just appreciate everyone, including the city workers. who provided security for us that night, who provided guidance, man hours, elbow grease, Lee, all of your crew that got out there and worked. It means a lot to our community. So appreciate what was done there. And also recognize Ms. Bryan. I told Tick I was thinking about Mr. Bryan over the weekend. He used to bring us little peanut butter and crackers before the water before the meeting and He's the kind of person who's been involved in our community for a long, long time. And he's been in seats of decision-making like this, and he's been in the audience. And, frankly, that's important. It's important for people to continue to be involved when they get involved in early years, that they stay involved because they can provide a lot of guidance and wisdom as we go along. So best wishes to both of you in that. And also welcome Commissioner Jerry Rodgers. Jeremy Rich out there on our county commission. He and I serve a lot of the same constituents, and we've been friends for a long time and appreciate his service there. And I hope that we can continue to figure out ways to make our city and county government work together well also. Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you, Council President.

Yeah. Thank you, mayor. Uh, first of all, what was the time of, uh, the lion state here? 10 to 12, 10 to 12. Okay. I need to make a note of that. Yeah. And I know there was a lot of people disappointed in the, um, uh, 4th of July parade. We at blue devil broadcasting were prepared to, uh, for the very first time video, you know, we always video the Christmas parade and live stream that. on facebook live and we were all set up ready to go and we were about ready to do our first test run when we got the call you know it was canceled but it was for the better because you know we sat through a lot of lightning out there i don't know i'm sure you could see that uh from city hall but it was getting kind of dangerous so it's better safe than sorry and i hated maybe maybe next year you know we can do that we would look forward to a video in that live stream and the fourth of july parade and um i want to say a few things about the um ordinance about the donations to the Expo Center. I'm thinking I probably am the only one here when that went into effect originally 10 years ago. Does anybody else remember that other than me? Maybe Lee, but Mayor Craighead, when they were starting up the Expo Center, we waived gas, water, and sewer fees to help them. And Mayor Craighead, at the time I was serving on the city council, we all agreed that it would be good to donate $100,000 a year to help them start the Expo Center because even the County Commission you know it was a big risk you know building that thing and we wanted to help them out and help them get started and we agreed and the original agreement stated that we would donate and it's a donation you know it's not we're not obligated to do it it was a donation up to $100,000 a year, up to 20 years. Now what that up to means, we could cancel it at any time. We could have canceled it five years ago. We could cancel it, you know, two years ago. We could have canceled it three years after we voted it in. So we weren't legally bound to continue donating it because it was up to 20 years. I originally asked about this. It was over. Two years ago, I asked our former public works director, Jeff Baines. I talked to him. I talked to our finance director, former finance director, and Stuart Lawson, and I spoke with the mayor, and this was a couple of years ago. So I've been wanting this to happen. I haven't, I think, talked to Phil about it, and most people on the council as recently as a year or so ago about doing it. And the reason behind it is because the Expo Center has been doing so well thing that I have read and heard on the radio about how well the Expo Center is doing. They're constantly booked, have all kinds of events in there. And I don't think $100,000 a year is going to make or break the Expo Center because it is a donation. It's a donation. You know, we have donation in our budget, if you will think it, put it that way. We decide who we want to donate to nonprofits and things all the time. Some people get the donation, some don't. I just believe that we can use $100,000. Everybody's always talking about saving the taxpayers money. Well, this will save the city a million dollars over a 10-year period. So I would like to defer this tonight, because I would like all the city council people to be here when we vote on this. And if it would please the council, I would like to defer this until our next meeting, because I would like, like I say, everybody to be here when we do it. But that's really the history of how all this started, and we did it wanting to help the Expo Center be successful, and they are wildly successful now. So I appreciate it if y'all would go with that with me tonight. We'll visit it in two weeks. Would that be okay?

You can make the motion when the time comes.

Okay.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

I wanted to touch on that as well. I didn't know what Councilman Bryan was going to say, but I do know when it started, it was intended to be a kickstart to get them going. And as he said, it is not the Wilson County Fairground anymore. Not only is it just our community fairground, it's also where we hold the state fair. The state has built the Maiden, Tennessee building. They've done road improvements for us. So as a councilor for the city of Lebanon, Do I think that $100,000 is probably doing some good out there? Absolutely it is. But would that $100,000 benefit more directly to citizens of Lebanon, whether it be seniors, whether it be children, or whether it be, God forbid, we just don't spend the money and save the taxpayers some money. So I do think that it would be the right thing to... to to rescind that uh ordinance that we did back at that time only because i don't think that money's needed at that time and i think it's a better use of dollars uh for the citizens of the city of lebanon at this time and i know the city and the county do get along great this is not a vendetta the the our fire department police department are out there at the state fair i know what what the city gets reimbursed for that nowhere covers the cost to have our folks out there I KNOW THE CITY HAS WAIVED IN EXCESS OF $130 IN FEES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THE COUNTY HAS BUILT THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE'VE WAIVED THEIR FEES, AND I ASSUME WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO I THINK WE DO HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP. THIS IS NOT A TIT FOR TAT ITEM. IT'S REALLY JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS OF THE CITY OF LEBANON. THANK YOU.

Thank you. We have a consent agenda with five items on. I'll read each one of those. Orson number 267434, second reading to authorize budget amendment for the wastewater treatment plant by Jeremiah Exum, wastewater treatment plant manager. Orson number 267435, second reading to approve grant contract with the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation led service line replacement plan to hire a consulting firm and to approve the related budget amendment by Regina Santana, Utilities Director. Question number 26, 7436, second reading to approve a grant contract with the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation for asset management plans to hire a consulting firm to approve the related budget amendment by Regina Santana, Utilities Director. Orsimer 26-74-37, second reading to approve a collectible work agreement with Lebanon National Property Owner 1 LLC and to approve the related budget amendment for the gas department by Regina Santana, utilities director. Orsimer 26-74-40, second reading to approve the assignment transfer of Road D Hangar 2 at Lebanon Municipal Airport from Arrow and Nautique LLC to Lebanon East Hangar LLC by R.T. Baldwin, assistant public works director.

Motion to approve.

Second. Motion by Councillor Crowell. Second by Councillor Moorhead. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Now to Old Business. Ordinance number 267438. Second reading to amend Title II of the Lebanon Municipal Code to add Chapter 9 Design Review Commission to create a board to assist in the review of development plans by Councillor Camille Burdine and Josh Staley, Senior Planner of Development.

Motion to approve. Second.

Motion by Councillor Burdine. Second by Councillor Ashley. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Now with new business, order number 267441, first reading to amend the future land use plan in the city of Leadmon, Tennessee, by changing 65 and 85 Rutledge Lane from RPO Rural Preservation Open Space to CI's Interchange Commercial and the Urban Growth Boundary in Ward 1, request by James Worsmore.

I'm going to make a motion to defer this item.

Second. A motion by Councilor Crowell. Second by Councilor Moorhead. Discussion?

And could we call Josh up to the podium? Because with the comments that were made before, it sounds like something that's going to be done in the county. And I'm not really sure what action. I know it was denied by the Planning Commission, which I'm on. But I'm not trying to hurt the applicant. But I'm a little unsure of what, based on his comments, what our next step is.

Sure. So this, what's in front of you, is just the future land use amendment. The county rezonings do not come to city council. That goes to the county commission. The only role city council has is with the future land use plan. What they're trying to do is consistent with the existing designation of rural preservation open space, which is why we recommended denial, because it's not necessary to support what they're trying to do. However, the county zoning that they need to pursue would be a commercial zoning to allow for that type of business, which is why they made this request. The reason... they're going this different route with the PUD would be to, like we do with SPs, restrict that to a more selective use list of uses that would still be consistent with the future land use plan that's in place now. To do that, they would not need this future land use request. And I would still suggest that you don't do the future land use requests as as presented here if you do it that pretty much removes the city's say in any future rezonings what they're asking for is interchange commercial which is the broadest commercial category there so that would without coming back to city council could be rezoned for car lots car washes gas stations motels self-storage auto repair auto sales and even a mobile home park could be could be permitted under that without ever having to come back to the city council so we're not trying to prevent what they're trying to do there. We think it's fine and it works with what's in there, but the city's council's role in this with the future land use plan is just not necessary to support what they're doing. Really the timeline of it and the way that they handle that with the county zoning is what's important. It's just not really the city council's decision to do that. I think putting restrictions through a PUD is the correct way to go to enable them to do their business, but the city council has no say in what those restrictions are or if they even get put in place if this does get approved.

So, and I guess that would need to allow the County Commission time to do that, right?

It would take some time. They'd have to submit that PUD. The PUD restrictions would come to Planning Commission. Again, that would go to our Planning Commission and back to the County Commission. It would not come to City Council for any input there. It will take some more time to achieve that. which I know the applicant has indicated they don't want that extra time, which is why this is still on your agenda here. But it's just really opening the door to a lot of things the city is trying to protect against in this area while they can achieve what they're trying to do without us giving up that control.

Just from my standpoint, I feel like this is the furthest I would want to go on this item, especially without the councilman representing that ward present for. Because I certainly wouldn't want to approve it and not knowing what's going to happen with the PUD request from the county.

Yeah, if they go the PUD route, they again won't need this request. So hopefully it will just be withdrawn if they do pursue that and that gets approved. That would be the ideal path here. But like I said, I would certainly not advise to approve this ahead of the PUD because that would open the door and give up any control that the city council would have in this situation.

Draw back to deferring the item to allow the councilman representing the ward to be present for everybody.

I wouldn't say that there's any drawback. I don't think it really achieves anything more than denying it would. Hopefully they would withdraw the request. Again, if they go the PUD route, it won't be needed. What they're trying to do is not needed for this request, and you can defer it. They can either withdraw or you can vote on it. the next meeting, but I think the only reason it really stayed on the agenda that I had this conversation with Councillor Carmack and the applicant about what to do, the reason it stayed on the agenda was to not slow them down, to try to keep that moving. So deferring it and denying it is, I guess, the same end goal as far as the applicant would be concerned.

okay and then if for some reason something changes in a positive direction then it could be changed at the second you know when this comes back from a deferral i would just defer it for one meeting and we think joey's going to be here next time that's my my motion with the second okay any further discussion

Okay, we have a motion to defer. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Council approve a certificate of compliance for retail food store wine sales at 405 South Cummins Street by Lindsey Wolfenbarger, Finance Director. Motion to approve.

Second.

Motion by Councilman Krause. Second by Councilman Bryan. Discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Thank you. Question number 26, 7442, first reading to authorize a budget amendment for the wastewater treatment plant by Regina Santana, Utilities Director.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Motion by Councillor Crowell. Second by Councillor Ashley. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Version number 267443, first reading to approve a budget amendment for the Police Department Local Option Fund by Lindsay Wolf and Barter, Finance Director.

Motion to approve. Second.

Motion by Councilor Burdine, second by Councilor Crowell. Discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Thank you. Verse number 26, 7444. First reading to approve budget amendments for the police department to purchase two vehicles for the CERT program by Mike Justice, police chief. Motion to approve. Second. Motion by Councilor Moorhead. Second by Councilor Crowell. Discussion?

My only discussion, I just want to say thank you to that group of people. Every event I've been to, those folks have all been out there. So they do a great job.

Any further discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Thank you.

Verse number 26, 7445, first reading to rescind ordinance number 155030 relating to the city's annual financial contribution to Wilson County for the Expo Center, terminating future annual appropriations and payments and providing for an effective date by Councilors Tick, Bryan, and Phil Moorhead.

Mayor, I move that we defer until the next regularly scheduled council meeting in two weeks.

Second. Motion by Councillor Bryan, second by Councillor Moore. We have a discussion.

I have a question. Okay. When I'm looking at the original ordinance, it says that the annual contribution, and I'm not seeing the words up to $100,000, but it makes reference to an annual contribution of $100,000, but it says it pays it by April 1st. Have we paid it for the year already?

No, we did not pay it this year.

Oh, okay. Why?

Well, that was my fault because Stewart left and I took over and it was missed. Gotcha.

Okay.

I apologize. Okay. It was a missed step. Okay. It was missed in transition. Gotcha. Okay.

Yeah, that was it.

Okay. Thank you. Any opposed to discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you for 26, 74, 47 first reading to approve the purchase or replacement of obsolete stream sensors and software and to approve the weighted budget amendment for drainage mitigation for RT Baldwin, assistant public works director. And most of my council crowds, second council, Brian discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Thank you. Morse number 267450, first reading to approve fees for the Recreation Department Youth Programs by William Porter, Parks and Recreation Director. Motion approved. Second. Motion by Councilor Crowell, second by Councilor Burdine. Discussion?

A little bit about these fees, William.

Flag football and junior pro basketball are the two that we run. They've been $50 for 15 years or whatever and we're looking at going to up to 100 and that way it may we may settle on 75 but we went ahead and put it to ask for move them to 100 and that way if we go to 75 we've got a chance we could go to 100 without having to come back to council next time but that's not saying we won't do 100 but that's what that's what our process is we're still way cheaper than That's still way cheaper than any other flag football league you can go play in and basketball league as far as that goes. And then the other fee is for the next thing y'all got on your agenda is about us trying to start a... Reg Volleyball League here. And that's part of the reason why we were looking to raise the others, too, is that that one's going to be, in our estimation, it needs to be around $200 because it's $250, $275, $300 everywhere else. And if we were to keep our other fees at $50 and have that one at $200, everybody's going, well, why is that? And the main reason is just because it's – It's in other places already, and theirs are $275, $300 to plan those rec leagues. And we think 200 will be a start for where we wanna go. Also, we're playing out of one gym basically to start with. We're gonna do it in the spring of 27 is when we're looking at starting it next spring. And we're limited at probably, 120 to 130 kids that we can take and run the league in one gym. And so we want to walk and we want to crawl and walk before we run. So we want to keep it in that number somewhere for the first year. If things go good and it's working like we want, then maybe we can talk to Winfrey Bryant or some Walter Jays, and maybe we can get another GM one night a week to do something to where we can play. And it's going to be girls. It's going to be a girls' sport. It's not going to be co-ed. It's going to be a girls' sport. And so we think we've got a lot of stuff that the boys do. We think this will be a good thing for the girls to have. And with us being in a limited number, we're going to limit it to girls, and we're going to get so many in each age bracket and go from there and see how it does. So that's basically what the fees were for.

Y'all for doing the volleyball. That's exciting. And us expanding our sports. What is normally a typical football, basketball fee?

Well, TAFA has a flag football league that they have too, and theirs is like $135 or $140 for their league, for their flag football league. And I think their tackle football is even more than that, but their flag. I know we've got TriStar is a regular volleyball league that's in Mount Juliet. And we've got a lot of kids in Lebanon that are playing in that league. And it's $265, $275 to plan it. So that's what we're looking at. And we're looking at probably making four to six teams in four age brackets. And like I said, so you're looking at, you know, we'll have a limited amount of space that we can take And if I had it at $100, you would have everybody trying to play, and we can't accommodate everybody. We can't accommodate that many at this moment with one gym. We've got 500 kids trying to play basketball out of one gym, basically. Sounds like you need a new gym. Well, we used the Floyd Center for some practices, and I'm hoping with the renovations that we've got over there that – That's what I've been trying to preach in here for two or three years. I've been a proponent of doing something at the Floyd Center, especially with the gym, so that we can use it for our league also. I can only use that gym for one-third of a third of the kids that play in my league because the goals don't let down. And the two thirds of my league is kids that play on eight and a half, eight foot goals, which we let down at our place, but they don't let down over there. So all I can play over there are my nine and ten year olds and of course it's like any other thing the higher up you go the less kids you have playing you know like they all want to play when they're little and then of course they've got schools to play for so that takes a lot of our kids out as they get older they've got middle schools to play for and and stuff to do so you you limit some of your participants you know with that is first baptist still doing upwards I don't think they've done that for a while. I don't think they've done it the last. I don't think they're doing it anymore. And that was one of the things, you know, ours used to be that Upward could take. lot of those smaller because in my estimation it was a great league and it was a great thing but it was more for younger you know it was more for younger based kids and so we had older kids but like i said the reason we started taking the younger kids 10 to 15 years ago is because we started having you had the blue league now that, you know, they started the blue league. I think, I think it's been 10 to 10 or 15 years ago. We started the blue league because Addie played in it when it was first started. And so she's been out. So that's, yeah, it's going on close to 12 to 15 years because she was in the third, fourth grade. So I think it's 15 years old. So as that league got more popular, well known, you lost all your third, fourth, you lost, you're losing 150 third, fourth and fifth graders because they're playing in the blue league. And now some would play both, but now at, when they first started, some would play both, but now you have very few that play both because they've got some, we've got so much other stuff going on. They don't want to try to, to do both of them.

Okay. Thank you. Yep.

Thank you. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Procedure number 262868, in support of the creation of a city volleyball league by William Porter Parks Recreation Director.

Motion approved.

Second.

Motion by Council Moorhead.

Second by everybody, I think. But we'll go with Council Burdine. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262869, to accept bids for the purchase of natural gas material for the Castle Heights and Indian Hills Gas Rehabilitation Project with Chad Muller, Gas Department Manager, Regina Santana, Utilities Director.

Motion approved.

Second.

Motion by Councillor Crowell, second by Councillor Bryan. Discussion? All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Thank you. Version number 262870, to approve the five-year agreement with Data Bank for ongoing services and continued uses of on-base online document storage and retrieval by Mike Collinsworth, MIS director.

Motion to approve.

Second. Motion by Councilor Crowell.

Second by Councilor Bryan. Discussion?

Should we defer this until you all look into this on base? Wasn't this what we were just talking about?

That's up to you guys.

It's on base for other things, too, not just the ordinances, I think. It seems like there's something else that came through.

It's a big system.

I think. First reading, too.

Well, no, it's a resolution, so it's a one-time thing. The only MIS person we have here is John, who's in control. We can certainly have him come in here. We can have him come in here and talk about it.

No, seriously, I mean, I think we... Yeah, I think we need to discuss that or... John, if you're listening there, can you come in? Can he leave his post?

There he goes.

Not from behind the curtain, Oz.

You mean you don't listen every word that we say?

Apparently he wasn't.

I mean we've just been discussing on base tonight regarding the ordinances and what we use it for but it looks like we're

want to approve a five-year agreement should we defer this and discuss more does it do for a lot of like minutes agendas it does a lot of stuff besides just the ordinances gotcha so please don't okay that's what we wanted to know okay thank you you can go back now all right

Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution 262870, we want to approve the 10-year agreement with Motorola for additional cloud storage for CCDEM's body-worn camera and in-car storage by Mike Justice Police Chief.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Motion by Council Moorhead.

Second by Council Crowell. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262873 to approve the Annual Software and Maintenance Agreement with Southern Lighting and Traffic Systems by Lee Clark, Public Works Director.

Motion to approve. Second.

That's my counselor, Kraus. Second, my counselor, Burdine.

Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262874, to approve an agreement with Tyler Technologies for business tax and miscellaneous permitting implementation by Lindsey Wolfenbarger, Finance Director.

Motion to approve.

Second. That's my counselor, Kraus. Second, my counselor, Bryan.

Discussion?

I'll go ahead.

Sorry. yeah uh could you tell us a little bit about that and then i wanted to kind of add in something about this one on the business tax sure um so we currently are using local government for business tax it just doesn't offer very

and just didn't offer a whole lot. So we're upgrading with Tyler, which has a much better platform for the citizens as well. It has a portal that they'll be able to go online and pay for their business license, and they'll also be able to request miscellaneous permitting and do everything through the portal. So it'll be helpful for them and for us.

I did want to make a comment about what Ms. Gloria said here earlier regarding the utilities and balancing that out. I failed to do so in my introduction, but I guess it goes along with it. You were kind enough to answer my email today when I asked about that because I didn't remember passing something saying that we weren't doing that. It seems it was an internal problem. decision based on the technology, I guess we have, or difficulty. Is there any way with this Tyler technology to use to do a budget for people? Because I think that's very...

helpful. So not for that particular thing because that's the utility billing side of it and this is only going to host business tax and miscellaneous permitting. But that is something that I can revisit with Harley because that was a decision made prior to me. So I can look into it deeper with her as far as why. Just in brief with your email was that the system had trouble dealing with it and we weren't getting a lot of support with NextGen. So I can do a deeper dive into that for you.

You don't mind. I think that would be great, especially with our 55 and older communities that we have. Yeah, that'd be great. All right. Thank you.

Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you everyone for being here tonight. We are adjourned.