Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

this meeting of the Lancaster County Planning Commission to order for August 19th, 2025. Would the clerk please call roll?

Francis Lou here. Sheila Henson here. Michelle Richards here. Judiana Tinkllinberg here. Lynette Henson here. Yukima Curitan here. Jason Cavalier here.

Thank you, ma'am. Would the clerk please make a note on the record that a quorum of the planning commission is present, that public notice of the meeting, including the meeting agenda, has been posted the required length of time in the lobby of the county administration building and on the county website, and that the news media was notified of the meeting time and place. Welcome everyone to the Lancaster County Planning Commission. Please observe the rules of the room as the officer was nice enough to state. Make sure your phones are vi um on vibrator, silence, turned off, etc. Keep your hats on off. Keep your shirts on. All right. Now, if everyone would please rise and join us in the pledge of allegiance.

Sorry. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. If you please remain standing for a short prayer, please grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

Amen. Our first item for the evening is going to be for elections. I'll turn it over to Miss Williams. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, tonight we will be doing our elections for the chair and the vice chair of the council, I mean planning commission, excuse me. Um, at this time I will be taking nominations for chair. Nominate Jason Cavalier. Do I have a second? Second. I'd like to nominate Shelley Richards, please. I second it.

Okay. So, Mr. Cavalier, if accepted, will you accept this nomination? I do. Miss Richards, will you accept this nomination? I will.

Thank you. Are there any other nominations? [Music] Okay. Hearing none, you have the option of a raised hand vote or a ballot. At this time, will you raise your hand if you would like to do a raised hand vote? Okay. So, we have one nomination and a second for Mr. Jason Cavalier. And we have one nomination and a second for Miss Shelley Richards. All of those wishing to vote for Mr. Cavalier as chair, please raise your hand. Okay. Um, all of those in favor of Miss Richards, please raise your hand. Okay. So, with a vote of four to three, Miss Richard, you will be the new chair of the planning commission. Um, at this time, we will move forward before we start playing um seat movings and do our vice chair elections. Do I have any nominations for those?

I nominate Jason. Vice President, whatever it is. Yeah. Chair, vice chair. Second. All right. Do we have one nomination and a second for Mr. Cavalier or are there any other nominations? I would like to nominate Judiana Tinkllinberg.

Do I have a second? Second. All right, Mr. Cavalier, if voted, would you accept this nomination? I do. Okay. Miss Tinkler Bird as well. If you're nominated, would you accept this nomination? I will.

Okay. So, again, will we be doing a raised hand vote? Okay. So, all those in favor of Mr. Cavalier as vice chair, please raise your hand. And all of those in favor of Miss Tinkleberg being vice chair, please raise your hand. Okay. So, with a vote to four to three, um, Miss Tinkleberg, you are the new vice chair. Um, audience, if you will give us just a moment to rearrange our seats, we will finish our meeting in just a moment. Don't have a Thank you. gonna make dramatic

entrance. Thank you so much. All right. So, at this time, I will yield the floor back to Miss Chair Richards. Now, you're going to have to be very patient with me. I was not expecting this so I'm not exactly sure what my protocols and procedures are. So please ah thank you. Um

okay. Okay. Okay. So, you would proceed with item number three on the agenda. Yes. So, approval of the agenda. So, do I have a Boy, you can tell I'm not prepared for this. Yes. Motion to approve.

I'll second. Do we want to do a show of hands or a roll call vote? Show of hands. All in favor of approving the agenda as written. So, next we're moving on to item number four, rules of procedure. And who is handling that? That'll be Miss F Chairman Richards. Okay.

Um, you have in your packets the proposed rules and procedures. We discussed those at your last workshop. At this time, we will have if you have any questions or any discussion or any changes that you would like to be made, we can do that. If there are no discussion items or changes to be made, we can vote to enact those rules rules and procedures at this time. Yes. Um I guess my only question is did we specifically call out when our elections are from July to July? No, it's in there as um January, but if you like to change it, you can change it.

So we found that it was indeed supposed to be last month. We did that today. So why these are the new rules and procedures. You can have a date. You discussed at the workshop that the July date was sometimes an opportune because that's when the new term started and the January may be a better date so that you have six months to get to know your members before you're voting for chair. But if you would like to revert that back to July, that is your purview. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Does that mean that our last meeting was completely obsolete and um did not actually is not verifiable?

I will defer to No, ma'am. We checked with the county attorney. There were no actionable items at that moment that stuck because you um tabled everything and um moved it to another meeting. So, there wasn't anything that would have be a decision. And technically, you carry over your your officers. So there were still officers even though we didn't have the election that the biggest thing from the attorney was that there were all the items were tabled to come back to this month. You made no decisions on those items. You even tabled your minutes. So Miss Tinkllinberg was correct correct with the fact that we were actually

historically for the last few years. Yes. The meetings have been done in July. Prior to that, they were done in January. The biggest thing that we have was no rules and procedures. That's why we're moving that to the top of the agenda so that you have something set there that identifies going forward when your meetings are. Thank you. We have any other comments or questions? So, Miss Richard, to clarify, do you want to leave it as January or would the board prefer to move it back to July? Any preference? I want July. July. Okay. Because I thought we had discussed January.

That's what I thought. I thought we had landed on January. I don't have any preference, but I thought that's where we landed. Yes, sir. We discussed moving it to January because the problem with July is that new members would show up and they would be basically forced to vote for somebody they didn't know anything about. We got stuck in that situation when we came in and found it very uncomfortable. It felt very loaded and that was the discussion that it would give some time for you to get some tenure on the board here to understand who you were dealing with. Yes, ma'am.

I will make one point of clarification as well that during the time before when the elections were in July, the term of the commissioners ended in December. So it would have been if you held them in January, then it would have been the same issue with the six months. Um that with the recent changes from the council's rules and procedures and the boards and commissions documents that county council has passed, that also changed the term of the commission change from ending in December 31st to June 30th. So we're just flipping it basically.

Do we want to leave it in January then? Yes, we want to leave it in January. So, make them motion to approve. Second. I'm sorry. Who was the second? Thank you.

Take a vote. Okay. Want to do a show of hands or do we need a roll call? I need to clarify. Was the motion to approve that portion of the rules or the rule rules and procedures in entirety? That portion that portion just this the section on elections. Wait a second. I thought we says January elections in here. Correct. We're leaving it as January. Correct. So we're not entire in its entirety. Correct. Y'all agree?

Okay. Yes, ma'am. I will just say that these rules and procedures are able to be amended. So if you if you find something that isn't working in the future, there is the option for you to bring that back and have it reviewed again. So this isn't like a signed in blood forever type thing. Just realized I didn't have a pen. It's important to be able to write. So, yes. So, we have a motion and a second to accept the rules of procedure as they are presented. Do we do a roll call vote or can we do a hand vote?

Hand vote. Um, let's do a hand vote. All in favor? [Music] Yes, ma'am. Hey, before we get started, I have a request for um out in the world of video. If you can please all speak into your speaker just a little bit more clearly, please. Thank you. And make sure that the red light is on. If it's not, press the button to turn it on.

All right. Next, we move on to the item number five, the approval of minutes. Do I need to do each one individually or can we do an inb block? Um I I wasn't at one meeting so I have to abstain from okay the uh July minutes individually then that's Miss Richards. Yes.

Actually you do not abstain from minutes. There is I checked with the attorney today as well. It's an administrative act. It's just your act of saying that this is the record and adopting that into the record. You can do that if you're not here as well. Um there is a rule in the county council rules and procedures that there is no abstension unless you have a um conflict of interest. But that seems rather ridiculous if something is false in there and I vote to agree to it and don't even know if it is or isn't. I'm just relaying the message from the attorney. Thank you.

Okay then. But if there's no abstensions, how can I abstain? I'm not comfortable voting yes or no on something that I don't know if it's a truthful record. I'm not saying it wouldn't be, but I just think it's irresponsible for me to vote. I agree. And historically, we have done that. So, you're not wrong in thinking that.

Is it in our rules of procedure that you cannot abstain or just the council's rules? No. But in the absence of anything in your rules and procedures, the council rules and procedures, if it's if your rules and procedures are silent on anything, the county council rules and procedures um flow into it. And then if that doesn't, Robert's rules of order falls into the next place. Can we amend our policies and procedures that we've just approved to allow for abstensions? Not at this time, but you can bring it back next month if you would like. I I'll bring it back next month. Thank you for the information, Miss Williams. Yes, ma'am.

All right, so let's move on to item 5A, amended minutes from the June 17th, 2025 regular meeting. We have any comments or do we have a motion to approve? Um, I do have comments. Okay.

Um, I appreciate the thorough um meeting minutes. I do think it's important to note that um I feel like things were omitted and it's not an accurate representation of all that took place at the beginning of the meeting. Um there were some techn technicalities that were included in the minutes as far as footnotes um that were inaccurate, but if we're going to include footnotes, then we should include all of the detail. Um, I brought up things at the beginning of that meeting to try to keep us in compliance with our upto-date um, and historical procedures and tried to allow us to have that vote so we were not having an invalid meeting. Um, and the nature of that

Sorry, Miss Tinkllinberg. I I think that was the July meeting if I'm not mistaken. Yes. Okay. I thought we were voting on the June minutes. June 17th. Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you for clarifying. You're welcome. I got ahead of myself. So, yes, we are talking about the June 17th regular meeting. Do we have any comments to those? I make a motion to approve. Second. I'm sorry, who is the second? Me. Should we do a

Do you want a hand vote or a roll call vote? Let's do a hand vote. Those who approve and we move on to item 5B minutes from the July 15th. You're up, Miss Tinkllinberg. I know. So, everything I said previously, please apply it here. Um, those are my only notes. I was just trying to keep us um in compliance. um and just want to make sure that that that was correctly um portrayed in the minutes and I didn't feel that that was um an accurate representation of that meeting. So I um make a motion to amend the minutes to include that.

Will you be providing a written amendment? I can if needed. If you don't agree with what's written, we need a written amendment. Okay. I will second it. So, as a point of clarification here, if you're had an amendment, you're going to have to table these again because we can't vote on something that's not present at this moment. So, I need a motion to table these minutes.

I'll make a motion to table the minutes until uh we get our comments in and are able to approve them on the next second. Point of order is the me motion to amend withdrawn. We didn't vote on it. There wasn't a second. I withdrawn that motion.

Do we need a roll call vote to All right. So, now we move on to item five. You need at least a show of hands. You do need to vote to table. So, um, show of hands to, um, table the minutes from the July 15th meeting until a written amendment is sent in. Now we move on to item 5C, minutes from the August the 7th workshop meeting. I make a motion to approve. Second it.

Second. Oh, didn't hear it. Okay. We need a roll call vote. Just a vote. However,

um, show of hands to approve the August 7th workshop meeting meetings approved unanimously. All righty. I have too many pieces of paper. All right. So now let's move on to item six, citizens comments. So this is the general comments section. Um we have two people signed up to speak. They have the three minute limit. Correct. All right. So first up is Miss Oh boy. Miss Janine Clifton, I'm sure I massacred your name.

State your name and address for the record.

Yes, ma'am. Janine Clifton, 2023, Oliver Terrace, Indian Land, South Carolina. Okay. I'm here today because we're really at a critical point. I know I don't have an item on the agenda. Last year we were here and we agreed to a develop to the development plan for 9901 and 9831 was a bad idea. The developer came forward twice with plans. Both time they were sent back because of code violations with the plan. They were coming back a third time when they ultimately withdrew. Imagine my surprise to be alerted that the development is underway because the trees are being cleared in the property next to me. Not one notification, not one contact from the developer, nothing vetted through the commission. Today, the staff might argue three points. The land's been zoned as commercial since 2019. They can develop at the property by right, and this is not the same plan. I'm coming here today to say no one disputes that the zone is zoned neighborhood business, but they still have to build according to the UDO. Two, not if the development violates the UDO. So, they have a right to develop, but if it violates it, they don't have that right. And three, this is the exact same plan. They just changed the drawings to show half. And we have evidence on their advertising and website to the contrary. They're going f forward with the same plan. They never changed their website. They never changed their advertising. And so I have a picture here and I can give it to you if you'd like it after. The development is a major subdivision being illegally implemented as a minor subdivision with the assistance of staff approval. You guys will never see it because

they're putting it in as a minor. It's the same plan you denied. On one significant point by itself, UDO chapter 9.2.10A1 says the minor subdivision process is available for lands that do not result in an increase in the number of lot parcels included in the subdivision previously approved and any division of land does not meet all the above shall be required to use major process. Lancaster County approved the subdivision in May 2024 of 1901 Barberville from one to three parcels. The plan divides it to four. No matter how it is approached, um no matter what's gone through with the approval process behind the scenes, it should have been submitted to you. And the fact is there's literally no option to proceed with the project other than it is a major subdivision. I need your help. They're developing what we denied and I we don't know where to go from here. So, we appreciate that.

Thank you, ma'am.

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Susan Beagle, can we pause for a moment? I'm having technical problems. Okay,

we can continue.

Hi, my name is Sam Beagle. I live at 5140 Milrace Lane in Lancaster. I'll be real brief. Thanks for all you guys do. I know it's a thankless job probably, so I appreciate every one of you. Um, just a general comment uh about the uh growth that Indian Land and Lancaster has had. Obviously, everybody's well aware of it. uh the failures of uh the past are now coming to roost and we have just this uncontrolled mess in Indian land primarily and now it's filtering down into Lancaster and other areas. Uh there's now word of the uh new attempt to put a sales tax to help fund roads uh that should have been somehow planned into all of the mess that was created over the last 20 years. Um, I don't want to pretend to understand how the funding works. I understand there's there's you can't use property tax for the roads and such of that. Uh, I So, that's where you guys come in and and I just want you to all have that in the back of your mind when these new developments over like 900 homes are going to be approved or planned in this area. If the constituents and the people that live here now are going to have to suffer through that, then it should be denied, especially by fixing the mess that was created within a regressive tax. That tax, if if approved, is going to hurt the poorest of people in the neighborhood as a percentage of income, right? So, the wealthy people that live in a neighborhood, it's not a big issue. But somebody that's making $10 an hour when you put that small tax on them to fund the mess that was created in the past, I don't think that's appropriate. I uh I hope that you kind of take that into consideration when looking at

future developments. Uh I've been to a couple of these meetings in the past and there's always talk about funding of ambulances and fire and and services of that nature. with this development that's proposed and going to be talked about tonight. I estimate or I I think I read like $7 million in additional tax revenue to the county. If there's so much additional tax revenue from all of this growth, why can we not fund a new ambulance? Why can we not get the uh fire, you know, departments help that they need? There's the math doesn't add up. And I think it would be nice to have a more clear picture of what that math looks like. Why can't we have these things with this massive growth with Costco and Target and the hundreds of other businesses down 521? I assume there's been just a massive increase in tax revenue. Yet, we can't fund even the most basic things. I don't see any increases in uh parks and recreation. The roads are a mess. um Indianland uh schools, the traffic, they keep talking for years and years and years they're going to look into fixing the traffic at Indian Land and it never happened. So just keep that in mind when looking into proving these new projects. Thanks for your time.

Thank you, sir. I just want to look at it best I can. So I have no one else signed up for public citizens comments. So we come out of citizens comments and go into our public hear items for recommendation to council. Um item 7 A TA 2025306 MUSC Lowe's. Good evening, commissioners. I'm going to be presenting the the text amendment for MUSC to you this evening. I'm looking at you like you're supposed to be clicking it. I'm so sorry. I have the clicker in my hand. Um so just to preface this text amendment, um I do want to cover that this amendment is exclusively for wall signage. We're only talking about wall signage. So this first slide for you here um is the language related to the regional hospital facility. And so after a conversation with the applicant's representative, it was discussed to clean the language up a little bit in this section and that's highlighted in the gray areas and what's being kept is in the yellow areas. And so the reason for that is to just make that language match what's already in there for the largescale retailer that was previously approved. Can I click to the next one or did y'all want to look at it?

Is it okay if I click to the next one? Yes.

Okay. And then this slide is the the language related to the largescale grocery store. Same concept. The goal was to clean up the language here um because what was previously inserted included the large-scale retailer and the regional hospital facility which we didn't have any uses that were requesting this in these zones. So, this one was updated just to speak to the largescale grocery store that was asking for this zone for this signage update um because we didn't have those other uses being asked for. Can I click to the next one or do y'all want to read through that? Nobody's saying no. So, I'm going to click through. These are the proposed definitions. These have not changed since the text amendment was originally filed. These will have to be accepted if the amendment is approved because we will have to define what a large-scale grocery store is and what a regional hospital facility is. So these are the same as the original ones you saw when the text amendment first came up at our last meeting. This information on this slide is in your packet. This is the information that was requested regarding the current regulations of hospital signage. Um, after reviewing these numbers and and don't quote me on on what they are exactly, but in reviewing them, staff does not feel that they will dramatically affect current regulations if this amendment is approved. I think that might be a little easier to see on y'all's packets. I know it's kind of small up there. And then this last slide here, I do want to reiterate that this item is being heard for county council next week and so they do need a recommendation from planning commission. And so our options at this point for for your approval or denial is to to recommend approval for both of them together as written, to recommend approval of one and maybe amend the other or deny the other or recommend denial for both items completely. And then if you have any questions, I'm happy to take those and

the applicant's representative is also here if you have any questions for them. And I did want to give one more little piece of information. I know that lighting came up at our workshop meeting and what I wanted to address is that no specific changes will be made to the lighting regulation. They will continue to abide by what's already in the UDO. Now, if the sign is larger, there will be more lighting, but it will not change in terms of direction, color, brightness, any of that. It'll just simply match the scale of the sign. Were there any questions or did you have any questions for the applicants? Representative Commissioners, do you have any questions for staff?

The applicant here, would they like to the applicant's representative? Yes, absolutely.

I don't think you need my clicker, but I'll scoot over for you.

You handled it well. David Copenaf for 1462 Finsbury Lane, TK, South Carolina. Um, I represent Lowe's. I think we went through a presentation a month ago. I won't go through it all again. The key element here is just trying to call out we're looking for comparable um comparableness of signage to our competitors. So, I know that staff shared some updates. You have other grocerers in this space that are already operating at 250 plus square feet. when you combine together signage plus extra things. So pharmacy drive-thru, Starbucks, if you go to any of these pieces, those are all included in the calculation of square footage. So when we request 250 square feet, we're going to stay under that with the ability to put a Lowe's grocery sign and a drive-thru directional signage up there. So I'm happy to answer any other questions. We could go into more detail as last time, but just purely looking for similar action compared to our competitors today.

Sam Walker representing uh MUSC. We have no competitors in this market. So, name and address for the record. Oh, Sam Walker, 1827 Thomas Avenue, Charlotte, North Carolina, 28205. Um, no further comment really on uh the hospital signage. We worked with staff between the loss hearing and this evening. uh really to clear up um where the regional hospital facility is applicable into the language. Um and as mentioned from all of the other standards in the UDO will comply. So with the dark night or dark sky uh lighting requirements, all of that will be uh reflective in our design package uh based on the sign.

Commissioners, do you have any questions for the applicants?

I do. Um I don't the the MUSC as far as like being a hospital I think that needs to be obviously very clear very um visible from the road. The question I do have about so I suppose that would be a two separate things. Um I don't have any issues with MUSC. Um the larger scale grocery store I just wonder what kind of presidents it's going to make for a lot of other growth that's coming through this this area. you know, if we're gonna have and you know, who's going to be kind of because if we write it for one and it's it's and that's what that's a question. If we're writing it for one, uh whether it be a grocery store, whether it be a Targets, whatever it be, whatever. Um and I we did talk about this in the workshop. Um you know, obviously if you had a a nail shop down here, you couldn't have a sign this big, but is is that going to be written? Is that going to be uh a rule straight across? And I want if it is, it needs to be clear. It needs to be uniform. Does that make sense,

staff? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think to answer your question that this is a text amendment. So what we're deciding is not just for these two stores. It's for everything coming in the future as well that meets the same criteria. I have a question that second. I'm sorry. Can I offer a tidbit on that? So currently as we stand there are only two other largecale grocery stores that could potentially meet that parameter. We did look that I know that was a note from the last workshop. So we did look at that. It's really only two that are even close. Now I will today. Now what I will say now this isn't a little tidbit. Y'all know that we are in the middle of a UDO rewrite excuse me.

So these kinds of things are being considered as we currently work on the UDO that is being revised. So, we would be voting on an amendment that would have to be or that could possibly be revised within weeks. Well, we're crossing our fingers for weeks, right? But, um, potentially, but it is currently being re rewritten, so this could look different, and I'm going to resort to Miss Williams for that.

It's not necessarily that it will just be immediately revised. any of the text amendments that have happened since the initial enactment of the current UDO and to the day that that one is enacted or taken in consideration and added or adjusted into the current rewrite. So for instance, if this is approved as a text amendment, it will be looked at and incorporated in some form into the new UDO. So it's not like you're wasting your time doing this and it's going to be thrown out. It will be incorporated in. it'll be incorporated in or could it be incorporated out? Is it if it gets if the amendment gets approved then it goes into the UDO without any further discussion?

Well, there's lots of discussion but it will be incorporated into the UDO. Once that comes, there are some other public meetings and planning commission review and council review to see what is in there. Um, as the rewrite goes forward that you you'll get a finished product and if for instance this one text amendment is really speaking to you, you can double check that it's in there and make that note upon that review. But it's not that this is just a temporary fix that it is look if it's significant enough for the this body and county council to enact into a text amendment then it will be looked forward to to move forward into the next iteration of the UDO.

And the question I had was um Miss Henson mentioned target. What kind of signage does Target have relative to these measurements and what they're going to have? I can help answer that one. You've already excluded as a 100,000 square foot largescale retailer that was carved out before Super Target, Costco, all of them are already applicable to that text amendment whenever it was authorized years ago. I think it was. So that means they're going to have what size?

It's already installed. It's large 400,000 or 400 square feet. I was out there in the last week. Costco Super Target signage already up. Okay. amendment that you authorize for Costco.

Okay. I guess um I don't know if this is where Miss Sin was going, but the hospital is a no-brainer. When you have an emergency and you need to be looking for a hospital, especially new hospital and so forth, no-brainer. I don't know of a lot of cases with emergency grocery shopping. If you're going grocery shopping, you usually are prepared and you know where you're going. And I don't see a need for something so large on the possibility that anyone's going to miss it.

We can respectfully I mean I would tell you signage is incredibly important to designate where you're going. When we call out also comparableness, Costco and I shared in the last presentation, we can go back to it literally next door to this location. We're set back further from the road. And so if you think comparably, Costco, you've allowed to have a 400 foot sign. I'm twice the distance back at 50 square feet if you didn't make any modification. So if I address the other question, we have proposed a text amendment that works for us. I don't believe that there are other large scale grocery stores and you would be able to address this in your updated UDO. I did want to clarify one other piece of I can't speak to where you guys will go with that UDO. I'm sure there'll be lots of debate, but we have 80 other grocery stores. They all have this 198 square foot signage.

And with all due respect, we don't usually base anything on what's done someplace else. We do what's best for Lancaster County. With all due respect and um madam chairman, chair, chairperson, um I agree that for the size of this building, the current signage looks too small. It doesn't it's not even appealing to the eye. I do think that having the same amount as a hospital, it's just too much. And again, I would argue, yes, signage is important, but I also would say that I don't think people who are going grocery shopping to Lowe's know when they leave the house, and I don't think they're going to be wandering like nomads on 521 looking for Lowe's. Especially, everyone will know it's in the Costco shopping center or it's by the hospital, and you'll benefit from that on its own. I don't think anyone's going to be driving down the street looking around for where Lowe's is, I think, on their own. So, it seems to me there could be something done that is not that the size that is allowed now seems too small, but I think it's just a giant leap to go the same size as a hospital is allowed.

I could clarify on that specific. He's asking for 400 square feet on two signs. I'm asking for 250 square feet. So, I've already made a modification and I would be perfectly happy to talk about a different way of measuring in the sort. I completely agree. We don't need the same size as Costco, as Super Target, as MUSC in our proposal. We made the pitch at something smaller that we thought was reasonable. I'm just going by the visual that I have and that is a huge sign in my opinion. In my opinion only, that's a huge sign on the front of the building.

So, I can just clarifying that's 198 square feet. So, the comparableness to the other ones, you have Food Lion who's at the same Paris ter and Publix sign as you drive through the rest already larger than that sign. I'm I'm actually asking for a sign smaller than Harris ter and Publix if we're being very specific here to the request on that visual. I'm confused if it's the same as Harris Teter and Food Lion. Why does there need to be an amendment? They were treated differently. staff can help me hear different pieces, different qualifications, different interpretations. It could have been a different adoration of the UDO as well. I'm being

But one particular So, you're not saying that one particular sign at Food Lion is bigger than the one particular sign at Lowe's. You're talking about taking little components like pharmacy or this and that. So, they measured them and I agree with it. I can give specifics. So, Food Lion is 175 square feet

on one sign. just a single food line. It's 175 square feet. Publix is 200 square feet and Harris Teter is 215 square feet as staff measured in your presentation. I was simply trying to say that you're also your current code when you add pharmacy Starbucks those get added in. But if we're focused on the pure grocery signage, what is in your visual at 198 square feet from my perspective is very comparable to those three. Mr. Cavalier, this is a sign for the front of the building, correct? Yes, sir.

Do you have any other signage in the lot at the road frontage or a top the behind it around the corner down the street? We're working on a single pylon sign that would be out to the street. A single pylon. A single pylon 750 ft out. A monument sign if you would think directionally out along. How big? One more time. I missed I I didn't hear. I'm sorry. I don't remember the exact square footage it's in for permitting I believe right now but a standard size monument pylon however you classify that out along 521 a single sign.

Thank you um Miss Richards. So I think kind of piggybacking off what Miss Lou um the point she was trying to make. I'm fearful when we change the text amendment, we're changing for everything coming behind you, which we've already talked about. I think that what we're trying to do is preserve the aesthetics for future commercial that's coming to Lancaster County. So, I think we're just trying to we all agree that it sounds like we all agree that finding the hospital is important, but we don't want to unnecessarily make commercial grander than it needs to be. So, um, correct me if I'm wrong or misinterpreting y'all's intentions down there, but um, I think that that's why we have the 521 corridor. It's the gateway into Lancaster County. So, it does make me nervous that we're making a change for forever for one specific thing. Um, yeah, that's all.

Um, might it be cleaner just to move a large scale grocery into the commercial retailers above a certain amount of feet the way that Costco and Target are categorized? What's Why are we intentionally putting the largecale grocery with the hospital? I'm confused. Um there there are two different points there. One, the the Costco and the Target are considered retail and this is grocery. So, it's two different definitions. So, it's kind of two things. Hospitals and groceries are two different things,

right? And that's why it's the two separate parts of the amendment because they're adding both of those in. Um the the retail was I think a 100,000 square feet and their theirs is smaller than that. So it's so this specific project with the the Lowe's Foods specifically is is larger than a a typical grocery store but still smaller than what fits in that definition that's already been amended. Does that make sense? I mean, it it you're getting very complicated down another road, but should you want to add in the commercial retail and change that square footage part of that text amendment to include something, you could, but this is to it's is very specific and to the entity because you have to there are certain codes and uses. So the the large scale ger you have to fit you the certain services you have to provide which is the grocery the certain size that they're asking for is anything over 60,000 50,000 so it has to be that the big so it's not every regular grocery store it's the larger ones that are asking for it

she answer your question maybe Uh, okay. I'll I'll Yes. Could you put the uh language for the amendment back on the screen again? I have about 500 papers here and I've given up. Thank you. [Music]

Um, that one And this is and the there was another one. maximum 400 square feet each. So you're asking for 199. I'm talking to the gentleman for Costco.

Not Costco, I'm sorry. Lowe's,

pardon me. So as a result of the July meeting, we we tried to simplify and clarify the request. So the way that this language reads is previously a large-scale retailer i.e. Costco was approved to have 400 square feet of building. They're in the same zoning classifications that a regional hospital facility is also permitted by, right? And so we we put regional hospital facility with that definition into this specific text amendment. So this amendment only is applicable to the regional hospital facility and that's the 400 square feet. The next part of the amendment was then to find a place for a largecale grosser which is is not related to the Costco in any way and it also reduces the request for 400 square feet down to 250 square ft. So for the 250 square feet you're asking for, you could have it on two walls. You could have twice this amount here.

Yes, you could have it on two walls similar to the same provisions others. Um, so, um, the nature of my business and my job is I I drive all over the place. I'm a construction engineer. I've been, um, since y'all came up last month, I've been really paying attention to signage on grocery stores and stuff and like a sevencount area and different cities and municipalities. And, uh, I agree the 75 square foot is way too small for the size building you have. I I I do believe that 250 square ft is a little too big. Um I think probably something in the 175 to 200 would be um because that's when I when I scaled it off and looked at it, it's just um it just looks so big on the front of your on the front of your on the building there on the little sketch uh that you provided. It just looks so large. Um, and um, also you're, as you said, you're going to have a monument out front. So, if you're going to have a freestanding monument out front, you don't really need to see the sign on the grocery store from the road if you're also going to have a monument out front. So, like I said, I do agree you need a bigger sign. This is too um too restrictive. I've just the the 250 square foot on your proportion thing just seems a little big to me. So, do we make a um a motion to um accept this

there? Again, I don't think I was bringing that up just specifically for the lows, but it's for what's coming behind, you know, the things that, you know, they're not yet here. But if we're if we're making this amendment and we're we're you know, if we're changing it now, then, you know, is this something that we're going to amend every time? Is this something that, you know, we just going to kind of get a handle on it before it gets out of hand? I'd like to make a motion to amend. And I'd like to make a motion. We've got a Oh, we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a minute. Do we have any more comments or questions from the commissioners? Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

Um, so now we consider ourselves into um public hearing. We have no one signed up to speak on this. So we would consider ourselves out of public hearing. So um let's see now commissioners we have before you case number TA 2025136 MUSC Lowe's. Um, do I hear a have a motion um or any comments? Motion to approve.

Do I have a second? Second. Now, do I have any comment comments or amendments to the item as it is presented? On the motion to approve, we can vote to approve or we can vote to deny and then can we make amendments or how does that go? If we agree with one part of it but for the if we agree with the hospital part but we don't agree to the other part. So right there. So we can either recommend to approve, recommend to approve with amended text or recommend denial.

You can motion them exclusively separate of each other. So if you'd like to accept the hospital, pardon me, you can you can motion to approve the hospital's request and then motion to amend Lowe's request, you can do that. Okay. So does the motion on the table right now is that for everything? No, that's just a motion for us to discuss it and get ready to vote. Thank you. That was your motion to approve, but at this point Yep. Okay.

But at this point, if there is additional discussion, you can move to make an amendment to that motion until you vote. So, if you vote for this motion, that that's that's your recommendation and it goes to council. If you make your motion or if you amend a motion, then you vote on that and then the amended motion goes back to the original motion and you vote as amended. In other words, can I propose an amendment? Yes.

To the motion to approve to exclude the grocery store portion of the request. You may make that motion if you would like. I would like to make a motion to amend the original motion to exclude the grocery store signage portion of the application. Second. comments.

Any other comments or suggestions? I second the motion to amend. Miss Kirsten already second that one. She did. I'm sorry. I did not hear it. My left ear is no good.

So, at this point, you vote on your motion, your amended motion. You want to do a roll call vote or do we have to do a roll call vote for this? That's up to you. Um, let's do a show of hands. Show of hands. I have to recite what it says, don't I? So, we're doing a show of hands to um approve to amend this text amendment to exclude the language for the largecale grocery and only include the language for the regional hospital. Is that correct? All right.

So, this vote is only on the motion, not on the actual No, this is the vote on the actual text. This is a vote on the amendment to exclude

exclude it. So, I would like to clarify before you get into this. If Miss Lou's motion is to completely take that off. So, if you vote for that, your recommended council is going to be that they get nothing. If you if you don't if you wanted to make changes, then that is not you won't have that option if you make this motion pass. Um, if you Miss Lou, if you would like to amend your motion, to state that you would like to split the issue and then you can vote on them separately. That would be an appropriate action to take if you chose to make changes.

I would like to amend amendment to state that I would like to split the

Sorry, could you first would you withdraw your initial motion to amend please? Yes, I would like to withdraw my amendment to exclude largecale groceries, grocery store signage in this vote. So, the original amendment has been withdrawn. So, to clarify, your second amendment that you're requesting to make is to split the issue so that they're voted voted on separately. Correct. That is exactly what I meant. I would like to amend the motion to split voting on the medical the hospital signage and the large scale grocery store signage into two different votes.

Second. And is there a time when instead of just denying that amend the grocery store signage at this time so that we send something to council with a recommendation for what we feel and why motions are complicated and they can kind of get groovy. Um at this point you have a motion to split. I I would I can't tell you guys what to do but from this side I would suggest you follow through with that motion and then we can go from there on the next steps.

Okay. So, we have a motion and a second to split this text amendment between the uh regional hospital and the largescale grocery store. Show of hands to approve splitting this text amendment into two parts. So, we have 74 and those against. Yeah. And one against. Six and one against. Sorry, I can't add tonight.

All right. So now now we need to have a motion to let's address first the regional hospital. So do I have a motion to accept the text amendment as written for the regional hospital? I make a motion to approve. Second. Second.

Sorry. Who was the second? So, um, show of hands to approve the text amendment for the regional hospital as submitted. That is 740 against. Now, let's look at the text amendment for the largescale ger. Can I make a motion? So, I I would like to make the motion that we amend theirs and take it down from 250 square feet to 200 square feet just because I think it just needs to come down a little bit.

Approved. Oh, seconded. On two sides. We've got if if I'm correct me if I'm wrong, that that total thing includes their their other signages as well. It's just their wall signage. It's just the but I mean but but they might have something that says drive. So if it has drive-thru or Starbucks as he was saying was that included in that total square footage if it's on the outside of the building? Yes. Yes. Okay.

So they could have two 200 with the way it's written they could have two 250 square feet signs on a building. That's why I'm proposing that we we take that down to 200 so that and then if they have the two 200 then they can't have any other signage on the building. So they could have one 200 and then two 100 square foot eaches that you know say other thing. No can't. Okay. I was going to say can we do that?

Oh good lord. Again, it this is for everybody though that comes after you. So, just we appreciate that, but also we have to think how it's written for everybody else.

My apologies. I have my phone on do not disturb, so I don't know why it rang. What were you saying, ma'am? I was just saying that the that as written Yeah. This is 199 square feet. They could have two of these on a building. They're not intending it. The current applicant, however, going forward, what we're approving is for everybody else who comes by, they can have two of these massive signs. So, do you think it needs to be smaller than 200?

I don't think it has to be smaller than 200, but I don't think we need two 200 square foot signs. And I'm sorry to complicate things. I don't know where we go from there. I just know that that's a lot of signage. Um I'm okay with this even though I think it's very large, but to we're voting to allow the next person who comes along to have two of these massive signs. and we can't then say no, they can't have a pharmacy or a pickup line or anything like that.

Madam Chairman, would you be willing to um amend yours to be a total of 200 for signage? Yep.

I'm thinking about it. Not ignoring you, just running the math and stuff the consequences through my head. It gives our current applicant the opportunity to do one sign of 198 and then it'll allow any in the future to do two signs of 100 or 15050 or whatever to be 200 thinking. Um, all right. Then I will I make a motion that we amend this text to see be 250 square ft total for the large scale grocery.

Second. Seconded. All right. So we have an amendment to on for the large scale ger to amend the text to be 250 square feet maximum 250 square ft total for the building for all for all signage around the building for wall signage. Yes. 200 200 I'm sorry I was reading off of here. 200 square feet total for the whole building. Any other comments or concerns? Second that. Mur already seconded.

Oh, I'm sorry. All right. So, we have a motion on the floor and a second to amend the uh text amendment for the large ta largescale grocery store to read 250 square ft maximum. 200 200 square ft maximum. Thank you. Because I'm looking at the 250 there. 200 square ft maximum total wall signage. So, so just to clarify, they were already at 75 per side. So, you're only allowing them 50 square feet more with that amendment. They're allowed 75 per side,

right? With as as written on there, it was 75. So, 75 plus 75 for the two signs is 150. And if you're dropping it to 200 total, you're only allowing them an allowance of 50 square feet extra.

They get one. They if they want to put it all in one and have a large sign, why would they need more ancillary signs? And this is in addition to monument signs. Are you sure about that, April? I'm s I'm I'm trying to understand what you just said. It said 75 ft per building maximum except for um 400 maximum 400 square foot each on a sorry maximum wrong one. Maximum 250 square foot each on a maximum of two walls. not to exceed 500 square feet per project for a largescale grocery store.

Right. But what you're So you're cutting that in half, but what's the original allowance in the in the ordinance is 75 square feet per how many sides? It just says per building maximum. Okay. So that's what I said. So that meant that they were limited to 75 no matter what before. I'm just getting text messages. Okay. I believe you if you have that in front of you because I don't

That's what I'm just I'm reading it off of this right here. That's why I was trying to make sure we were correct. So it says it says um 50 square feet or one square foot per linear foot of B building wall whichever is greater 75 square ft per building maximum except um maximum 250 square ft each on a maximum of two walls provided total not to exceed 500 square feet per project for large scale grocery store. Perfect. So, we're still going we're still giving him from 75 up to 200. Okay.

Okay. A lot of details. So, we have a motion and a second to um amend the text amendment for the large scale grocery store to be 200 square feet maximum per building.

Per building. Correct. So, are we ready for a show of hands vote? Correct. All right. Show of hands to approve. That is 740 against. Goodness gracious. So that is Thank you gentlemen. Okay. Next is public hearing item RZ 20251613 Finchel. Is that correct?

Yes. Good evening. Good evening commissioners. Good evening.

This next case is Finchel. It's a reasonzoning where the applicant proposes the applicant proposes to conjoin a halfacre lot. It's on low density residential to a 1 acre lot that's at 454 Fox Lane that's zone medium density residential. The applicant owns both parcels and currently lives at 454 Fox Lane. The mapping shown on the left of the slide here illustrates how the plan is laid out to conjoin both parcels. This next slide shows site photos which gives an aerial view of the subject parcel as well as an exit and an entrance of the subject parcel. This next slide shows in the chart below the neighboring parcels. They're predominantly zone medium density residential as well as low density residential

where the proposed zoning for medium density residential. It complies with the use types and the future land use plan of the 2040 comprehensive plan which makes it feasible and our planning. Staff recommends approval to reszone from low density residential to medium density residential. And I also have the applicant here to address any questions that you may have at the moment if you have any.

Commissioner, do you all have any questions for Mr. Questions? Questions? Um, the applicant, do you wish to come up and address us? Could you please state your name and address for the record? Roxan Finch, 454 Fox Lane, Lancaster, South Carolina. Sam,

this lot that we're speaking of, I own lots all around it and I am on the uh homestead exempt. Um, and I want this change to join in with my others so I can get the exemption on that lot also. Commissioners, do you have any questions for the applicant? So now we will consider ourselves into public hearing. Thank you ma'am. Um there is no one signed up on public hearing so for to speak. So we will consider ourselves out of public hearing. Um, do we have any comments or questions from the commission? All right. So, we have before us um RZ 20251613 Finchel. Finchel. Um Um May we have a roll call vote, please? Oh, what did I miss?

I make a motion to approve. A motion to approve, please. Thank you. Second that. Now we may may have a roll call vote. Is there is there any discussion? Any discussion? Yuki McCurin four. Francis Lou four. Lynette Henson four. Jason Cavalier four. Sheila Henson R. Juda Tinklinberg

four. Chairman Richards four.

Motion is approved unanimously. Next on our agenda is um Kershaw annexation at 439 Kershaw County Kershaw Country Club Road. Put on my planning tech hat. This is an annexation request that came to the town of Kershaw. Uh hearing is required to be held by planning commission first and then it is referred back to Kershaw for the final decision. This application is from Justin and Ashley Lee to annex their property of approximately 1.2 acres at 439 Kershaw Country Club Road into the town of Kershaw. On the right you see a photograph of the location. Here we have two aerial maps. The one on the left shows just the aerial um so you can see kind of a more detail. On the right it shows the zoning. So the green is county. The kind of yellow orange is town of Kershaw limits. Um, the current Lancaster County zoning is RR. Kershaw proposes base zoning of R15 to match the adjacent Kershaw lots and staff recommends approval as the application meets all requirements. Any questions?

Questions? Yes. Um, is the applicant here? I do not believe the applicant is present. All right. So, um, we will consider ourselves into public hearing for, um, Kershaw annexation at 439 Kershaw Country Club Road. No one has signed up to speak, so we will consider ourselves out of public hearing. Um, any questions or comments? Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion to to approve.

I'll second it. Show of hand votes 740 against. Motion passes. Um I know the next one is a big ticket item and we have been here a while. So I make a motion for a short recess. Five minute recess. Somebody going out for coffee. Second the motion. Ready to hit the gavl. Second it. Show of hands. Take a five minute recess. Unanimous. Everybody get up and stretch your legs. I will mute the room.

[Applause] Do I need a motion? I need a motion to start back. Okay, we get everyone to quiet down, please. Hey. Oh, thank you. Um, so in all of the um shuffling when we were moving everyone around after the vote, we forgot to officially appoint our secretary um for the planning commission. Um the secretary of the planning commission is um Moira Mata. Did I get that correct?

Mara Mata. Mora Mata. and she will be um acting as our secretary because she is the secretary to the the planning commission. She'll be act secretary for this uh show of hands to approve her as our secretary. So unanimous that she will be our secretary. So we apologize for that one last little order of uh administrative stuff that we had to take care of. Welcome. Done now. And thank you. Yes, that was it. Oh, I mean for the night. No, no, no, not anywhere close. So we are at least on page two. All right. Progress.

Progress. All right. We have now we have before us MXU 2023 1492 Stocklane RMX.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Tonight we do have a mixeduse application by SRM1 LLC and Rojo Harris for a mixeduse master plan preliminary plat. This involves two different parcels. One of the parcels is approximately 50 acres and the other one is approximately four. The larger parcel that you see on the right side of your screen outlined in blue is the larger primary parcel which is already zoned RMX which is the residential mixeduse. The smaller parcel at the top that's outlined in red is the smaller parcel with this associated project that is um currently zoned general business. This land is currently vacant and the proposal is to develop a 96 town home and 144 garden apartment unit development. In order to approve a master a mixeduse master plan, there are several things that have to be um found true as findings and facts. The first item is that this plan is consistent with the comprehensive plan. However, there are some concerns that the only point or points of egress and ingress are on a separate parcel than the original RMX parcel. This would require some perpetual easements on the other property. We um staff has asked to have those documents or some sort of inclination that that would happen and we have not received those at this time. Um both parcels are owned by the same owner and staff has recommended that the parcels be combined into one project but because of the um issue of having to reszone the one parcel the applicants have declined that at this time. This the property is surrounded by various class zoning classifications including MDR and general business. So the zoning as it is stands is a byite zoning for RMX use. The applicants did have a community

meeting back in uh the first part of August. Um citizens announced a couple of concerns there, including the natural traffic concerns that are um consistent with that area. And there was another uh one citizen that stated that the front parcel was once a pond and that he believed that it was filled incorrectly. This is just hearsay and there is nothing that we have documenting that to back it up, but I did want to mention that that was a concern noted at the meeting. At this time, staff is recommending a denial of this project as they have received a notapproved letter from the TRC review. Um, of the TRC comments you have in your packet, the only approved comment was from E91 addressing. If you have any questions, I am happy to answer those. And the applicants are here as well for any other questions.

Um, commissioners, do you have any questions for staff about this? Could staff could you just repeat why you recommend denial? Because the TRC, which is our technical review committee who does the reviews for these projects, has given them a not approved letter, which means there's still problems with the project. Do we know what basis that is on? That not the not approved letter should be in your packet detailing the comments of what they were denying it on. again. I'm sorry. I have 500 pieces of paper here. That's why I

Yeah, there were concerns. Um, of course, the school district said that they are full. Planning stated that we have requested those documents. Um, we requested documentation to depict the easements from the general business parcel and we also requested that there be dimensions shown on that parcel to ensure that the egress points that were given would not render that parcel undevelopable and we had not gotten that. Um there are some questions about the two points of egress and they um both parcels were included in the project but they have different zoning so we will have to clarify that as we work forward. Um the county engineer had nine different comments um that that are in the um it's actually page 161 of 413 in your packet if you would like to read those over.

Thank you. Any more questions? Yes. Um, the SCDOT, why did they not do a review under the TRC comments that says they didn't do a review? I I don't know. I could check with them to see.

Sometimes if it's not off of State Road, they don't always do a review. I did have in my comments from I mean my notes from u the planning session I said it was a SC DOT denied it because it only had one entrance. I don't know if that's accurate or not but that's what I wrote down at our planning meeting.

Yeah. I was just surprised that they had no no comments considering it is a proposed private road off of Highway 160 directly across from Barberville, which is a large a large intersection up in Indian Land that's only growing. I think it's an important um piece of property. I'm not sure that this is the best um use for this site. We can go Any other comments? Is the applicant here? Would they like to speak?

Please state your name and address for the record.

Brandon Pridemore, 1186 Donrest Boulevard, TK, South Carolina. Um, I'm a civil engineering consultant with Ardel Harrison Associates and I'm here on behalf of SRAMM1 LLC, which is the client. Um, what I wanted to kind of point out was that you had before you in the staff report that you've got eight findings of facts and I kind of wanted to run through those with you quick. I think that's important place to start as we look at it. Uh, item A which is consistency with comprehensive plan. Um, I think it meets that there was some questions about the points of ingress egress. I'll address that now because that was some discussion. So, um, we do want to step back that one of the parcels probably should not have been included as a statement of part of the project per se. What we're trying to, uh, show it was intent to provide rightway to serve the property, which is the larger piece, which is the 50 acre piece. And so, we're not proposing any uses on that property today. So, from our perspective, there's nothing in the ordinance that prohibits us from extending a roads through other properties to get to a property, which is what what we need here. So, we're not asking to develop that piece of property that that first parcel that's uh across from Barberville Road. That would be the extension of Stock Lane. So, just wanted to clarify, but the client is willing to dedicate whatever rideways are necessary. We're going to make that a public private road uh into the development. And then we do have a second point of ingress egress that is going to be to the west heading toward Sugar Creek. Again, we're proposing that as an easement. it is at a full access and they will uh the client owns that property as well but it's not part of the project but he is going to grant the easements necessary and so I think for Miss Williams she's correct I don't think my staff did a good job of clarifying that I want to state that for the record those are easy things to clarify and amend um but that was really the only question we got when it comes to finding a finding re uh B is integration with transportation system uh this is a question about the DOT yes

DOT did review the project we submitted a TIA on May 16th of this year, SC DOT sent a letter of concurrence back to us and then as of June 3rd, both um the county engineers as well as SOD SCOT did concur with the findings of the TIA. So the improvements have been vetted out. The driveway locations have been vetted. Now SDOT won't approve any application until we submit formal drawings, which is going to be the construction drawing stage. So they will not sign off on the project until then. But for the record, the TIA has been submitted, reviewed, and approved with those driveway locations as we've presented. Um, and then when we look at um items C through H, there's varying levels of comments, but nothing really of substance that I felt was needed to be addressed or requires, you know, much of any action. So then we get to the TRC comments, which is what Miss Williams had noted. There there were several um just given the timing of the comments when they were issued, which was last week uh to now. And there was an opportunity, Mr. Williams did point out again, my staff kind of fumbled that a little bit, I'll say, and didn't provide good clarification, but we're ready to address those and present those back in. But again, as we look at it, uh, one of the questions was the county engineer. He has nine comments. If you look at them, seven of those are just advisory comments for the next phase. They don't require action from us at this point. His one uh, comment that he did have was again related to the TIA not being approved. What has been approved, he concurred with that. So we feel like that's been addressed. All the other comments are really minor in detail and just clarification and minor amendments, but nothing that was sub, you know, change the totality of the project as we presented. And then again, when we're talking about use, this is the this is the zoning that um the planning commission back back at the time when the UDL was done gave this property. My client purchased a property in 2017, did

not request a zoning. This is what he has. And so he has to develop within the zoning ordinance and the rules that are before you. And that's what we presented tonight. So it's not that we're asking for a reasonzoning. We're simply trying to follow the rule of the law, which is the RMX zoning. And just to clarify, RMX is a residential mixeduse zoning. That's what it's that's the basic definition of what RMX is. So presenting the garden apartments and town homes is fully in compliance with that code. But otherwise, I'm here to just answer any questions that you might have. Um, I know when we did the community meeting, you know, there are some people who just don't like development in this area, but again, we're not asking for any more than what has already been allotted to the project. As a matter of fact, you know, I do want to point out RMX allows up to 12 units per acre. Now, is it possible to get to that for this particular property? No. But when we look at the grand scheme, yes, we're asking for 244 dwellings, but that's out of the possible 600 that we technically on paper are entitled to. So, we're not trying to max it out. We're just trying to do what's fair and reasonable for the area, but I'm here to answer any questions that you have. Thank you.

Commissioners, do you have any questions for the applicants? When was the TIA performed? It was performed and submitted in I think it was March, mid-Marchch, and DOT sent their concurrence letter on uh May 16th. I do have a quick question. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um, the private road going into it, you mentioned that it would be a private, excuse me, a public private road. Is the county are we taking roads again? So,

no, that's why I said it's public private. It's going to be for public use, but it's going to be privately maintained. So along those lines, when you're passing through um or I guess the adjacent frontage lots on 160 that would be in front of your development, could we add driveways off of the private road for future connectivity? Uh that will be the plan. We will provide for interconnectivity when those are developed because it's required by county code anyway as well. Well, the reason I'm asking that is actually because it's a private road. We've run into issues in the past with future development coming where they're not allowing connectivity and it becomes problematic for getting traffic off the main road. So, um I would hope to see that on the plan before we would approve that.

Well, that isn't on the table right now because there's no development plan for those properties. But what I can tell you is that off those both those accesses, the property on left right of each of those is owned by the client. So, he has control. So there's going to be a lot of control when we come through and staff and TRC look at this. They can force connectivity uh which is going to be expected and we would expect it and plan for it but those parcels are not being proposed for development right now. Just simply build an access road. I understand that this is would be as a protection for the future development since that's unknown at this time. Correct. Um that that's all I have. Okay. Thank you. Anything else?

Any other questions or comments? I'm I'm maybe somewhat confused. So you're saying that this has already been this is already zoned. So they're they're basically you're going to build this.

No. So so the MX zoning districts, which is there's like six different zoning classifications that fall under this category. So when the UDL was passed back in 2017, they made it a legislative process. So it's it's like a it's a buy right but it's not but what it does is it's it's it's a flexible zoning is the best way to say it and we have to meet certain benchmarks and things and as long as we meet those traditionally the RMXs that have been presented to the planning commission have been approved when they meet it um but it does go through a process and recommendation it it's it's it's complicated these u these formbbased districts are not real cut and dry like a standard subdivision there's a lot of components to of it. And so because of that complexity, they wanted the opportunity for planning commission and council to look at it and make sure it was held to a higher standard. That's probably the best way I can say it. Form-based zoning gives flexibility, but there are higher expectations and standards that are required than a traditional subdivision.

Okay. So, my understanding, uh, the property was was purchased in 2017. There's been a lot of other structures that are built around there, too. uh the DOT saying no not approval and the TIA well can I clarify that DOT has approved the TIA they know the project's coming and have approved the traffic impact that's anticipated okay so this is what you were u make sure that I'm clear on that that this is why you're asking about the turning lanes um how is it going to affect the flow of this area which is extremely already congested

correct and the TIA has addressed that and it's been submitted And again, the only thing I can tell you is that um the county engineer has that report and he has concurred with it as well. So that has been vetted out as required by the ordinance and SDOT policies.

Yes, thank you. Um, kind of piggybacking off of what Miss Henson said, and I don't know if this is directly, um, a question for you, but through the TIA, um, it looked at the numbers for traffic for future impacts, developments that have already been approved in the area. Um, and that report revealed three nearby projects greatly impacting the infrastructure that is already um, suffering and in a deficit. as far as the schools and all of all of the infrastructure. So, we already know that there's another apartment complex coming that is approved that can be built at any time. There's um a retirement community coming that has yet to be improved and then another one right over the line in Fort Mills. So, all of these coming into it, it does, you know, create some caution in approving this in an already very very busy area. This is in my district, so obviously I look at everything closely, but I do look at these things a little more closely. Um, I'm happy to hear that you had a neighborhood meeting. I would have loved to attend, but I I didn't know about it.

Thank you. Um, I know you said you've got DOT approval and such like that, but I mean, you're proposing your entrance is going to be directly across from Barberville Road. Does that mean they're going to have to rework that stoplight to allow traffic from your from your development to come in? That

That's correct. We're going to have to modify the signal and um the DOT has asked that hey for the Barberville Road and Stock Lane connections that we don't do split phasing but highway 160 will continue to have split phasing on it. So those are for most people they probably don't know what that means but it's just a it's a regulated way to traffic control through that signal. So we're going to be adding the fourth leg. I mean by DOT's requirements, we are required to align to that. And then we have a secondary access that meets driveway spacing. That's a way to provide secondary relief. Any other comments or questions? All right. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

Okay. Thank you.

We will now consider ourselves into public hearing. Okay. I thought she was asking me something. Sorry. Um um so um um if you'd please come forward when I call your name. Cheryl Hanhart Beck. Please state your name and address for the record. Cheryl Hanhard Beck 1312 Teal Court Indianland 29707. Good evening madame chair person and members of the planning commission. I am presenting information about the impacts of development on EMS services throughout the entire county. The spreadsheet I just distributed to you provides the EMS service requests from last year. The information was obtained via FOYA requests and the 2526 EMS department budget presentations to the city council to the county council. There were nearly 20,000 EMS calls for service. About 40% of these calls required stabilizing patients at the scene and transport to aerial hospitals in Lancaster and oftentimes to adjacent counties depending upon availability of emergency room services. There are over 10,000 already approved residential units in Lancaster County and the city of Lancaster, town of Heath Springs, town of Kershaw and town of Vanwick. The EMS department provides services to the entire county and is

struggling to keep up with the current demand. Units from the central part of Lancaster regularly have to respond to calls for service in the panhandle, which causes a domino effect of units not being available throughout the county and delays in response times. How is EMS supposed to provide service to the thousands of new residents caused by the thousands of residential units already approved and currently being built and the development applications in the review process, including those being considered tonight. I therefore request the planning commission consider these public health and safety issues and deny the application for MXU 2023 1492 for the 96 town homes and 144 apartments. And I also request the applicants reduce the number of units in the proposed plat for the other units being considered. Thank you.

Thank you ma'am. Barbara Scanell Barbara Scanell 8016 Carolina Lakes Way Indian Land South Carolina. Before I start speaking, can I ask a question? Because on the agenda that was um posted on the planning web um planning um website, the number was listed as MXU 20221492, but tonight it's being referred to as MXU 2025-1492. So I don't know which one's correct because other speakers are going to be saying the wrong which number. We don't know which number is correct. So, we'd like to get clarification for the staff. Is it 2023 or 2025?

It's 2023.

Okay. So, if anybody says 2025, it's just they're referring to this. So, thank you for that clarification. So, I guess my time starts now. So, first of all, thank you for the time to speak with you tonight. Um, as stated, um, I pass out a couple of things. one is the actual documents received that's located on the planning um web page. The last um for um the subdivision which is dated December 31st, 2024. Um the ones for um multifamily development summaries is dated August 31st, 2024. That's the last information that we could pull off the website. And it also has what was um given by the city of Lancaster at the 2025 2026 budget meetings. And I have since met with the um person in charge of planning at the um Lan city of Lancaster. And so the information you see on this page is based on those um three um resources. So the bottom line comes down to this. We've got thousands of units already approved. the unbit estimates or unbuilt estimates because we don't know the current number because that's not currently available to us. But based in Indian land, you can see that on the first page there's 1,344 units already approved for multifamily units. Second page there are 1,815 unbuilt units as far as we can tell for the summary of the subdivisions. And if you put everything from the panhandle, you got thousands of units, 10,000 overall um for the city and county. But for the panhandle, you've got, you know, still over three, what is it? Over 3,000 units. So that's a lot. And that affects all first responders. It affects the

schools. It affects everyone. Traffic, the whole nine yards. So I'm also going to mention that for the last five years since 2021 of the capital improvement plans it has listed adding EMS station in the panhandle and it is also listed adding of the third fire station. The um to this date they still haven't been built. The amounts that have been pro um proposed as far as what those plan uh will will cost is the same in 202526 as it was in 2021. I don't know about you, but I have this thing called inflation. So, I don't think those numbers are correct. Um, so that's an issue. So, the thing is the guideline is one fire station for every 10,000 people. We are we've blown past that at least twice. Um, and as far as EMS, it's one um ambulance for every 10,000 people. Right now, the last time they did a count, um, it was estimated at we had about 45 to 46,000 people and that's from 2023. We won't get the 2024s for about another month. So, thank you for your time. Please consider that information and deny this application. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.

Mr. Kevin Gibbon.

Kevin Gribbon uh 10414 Beth Page Drive in Indian Land. Good evening. Congratulations on your elevation and thank you for hearing us. um presenting information about the impacts of development on fire safety and sheriff's department services throughout the county. The information being presented was obtained via the 2025 and 26 department budget presentations to the county council. Fire safety department to a fire rescue department responded to 6,300 calls for service. About 3,000 of those calls were in Indianland panhandle. Fire safety department provides services throughout all county districts. Only the panhandle has full-time career firefighters on duty at all times and they are assigned to two fire service stations. The Lancaster County Sheriff's Department responded to about 79,000 calls for service. The number of sheriff units per 1,000 people is well below the national average or the regional average, including other South Carolina counties. However, the percentage of population served by our sheriff's department is over 90% of which much greater than your county or other counties within South Carolina. Both Lancaster County Fire uh rescue and sheriff's department are struggling to keep up with current demands. Units from the central part of Lancaster regularly respond to calls for service

in the panhandle which creates a domino effect uh of units not being able to handle throughout the county and delays in response time. How are the fire and sheriff's department supposed to respond to greatly increased calls for service as it stands now? but also with the addition of thousands of new residential units, numerous commercial units already approved and currently being built in addition to the development applications of review process, including those considered tonight. I therefore request the planning commission consider uh these health and safety issues and deny application of MXV 20231492 for 96 town homes and 144 apartments. I thank you for your time.

Thank you, sir. Susie Proesher.

Good evening, madame chairperson and members of the planning commission. Would you please state your name and address for the

Susan Procher 2290 Hartwell Lane Indian. I'm presenting information about traffic in the panhandle. The spreadsheet I just distributed uh to you provides the average daily traffic counts from 20uh 23. If you refer to that sheet, it says the statistics cover one year. And uh I want to use two examples here of State Route 42 from Barberville. uh State Route 160 to the North Carolina state line experienced an increase of 2,000 uh traffic vehicles and that was in a one-year period from 2022 to 2023. Uh there then also um state uh 64 Harrisburg Road uh Barberville Road to North Carolina state line uh a traffic increase during that one-year period of 1,000 vehicles and uh Fort Mill Highway York County line to US 521 an increase of 3800 and that was several that was a couple years ago. The number of new housing units and the resulting number of more cars on the road continues to increase. I live in Sun City and like my neighbors, I try to make appointments and travel at less busy times, but it's not always feasible to do so. During the summer, I regularly

have had to wait three full cycles to get through the traffic signals along Highway 521, such as the intersections at Shelley Mullis, Collins, and Doby's Bridge in the middle section of Indian Land and the intersections at Edgewater Corporate Parkway, Marvin Road, and Highway 160 in the north section of Indian Land. Now that school is back in session, I've had to wait four and sometimes five full cycles to get through the same traffic signals during peak traffic times from 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. in the morning and from 3 to 6:00 p.m. at night. You have already received the most recent housing unit counts approved by the county, which is about 4,800 units. That includes the 1,800 units from the Rosland 55 plus development. How are the roads in the panhandle going to be able to accommodate the thousands of additional cars on the road caused by the residential units and several new commercial developments already approved and currently being built and the development applications in the review process, including those considered tonight. If we can't get through, neither can EMS, fire, and share first responders in route to life life-threatening and property emergencies. I therefore request that the planning commission consider these public health and safety issues and deny the application for MXU 20231492 for 96 town homes and 144 apartments.

Time [Music] Thank you, ma'am. Angela Davis.

Please state your name and address for the record.

Angela Davis, 4016 Grove Park Lane, Indianland. Good evening, members, and thank you for all that you do for our county. It was really appreciated. I am presenting information about school capacities and enrollment in the panhandle. I know the school district has already asked for denial, but I do serve on the Lancaster School District citizen review committee and have personally visited and toured many of the schools with the administrators. The spreadsheets I have distributed to you provides the following information from the Lancaster County School District. the schools that service the panhandle, the actual enrollment numbers obtained from the school district uh as of yesterday afternoon 8:19 2025 and the school cap uh capacities for the main buildings and portables. You've already received the most recent housing unit uh counts approved by Lancaster County via the subdivision summary dated 1224 2024 and the multifamily summary dated 824 2024. The impact the impact on the panhandle schools are as follows. All student enrollments have exceeded the student capacity in five out of six buildings. Portable classrooms are currently being used in two elementary schools, the intermediate school and the middle school. There is limited to no room to add additional portable classrooms to these buildings. How are the schools going to be able to accommodate the students from the existing housing units that of the children under one under year 1 through ages five and six that have not entered school yet. The nearly 3,000 already approved developments currently being built and the development applications in the review process, including those considered tonight. I therefore request that the planning commission please deny

the this application for these 96 town homes and 144 apartments unless the client might be willing to dedicate an elementary school for the land that is already purchased. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. That is everyone who signed up for um public comments. we will consider ourselves out of public hearing. So, um applicant, do you have any response to the public comments?

Okay. So, we have before us um MXU 20239 1492 stock lane um RMX. Um um do we have any questions from the commissioners? Oh, I'm sorry. Do I have a motion to approve this? I'll make a motion to approve sake of getting it on the floor. Second.

Okay. For the sake of So now, do we have any comments or questions? Yes, ma'am.

Thank you. Um I won't rehash everything I said before just because it's in my district. I, you know, think it's important. Um I I agree with everything for the folks that came and spoke. Thank you for driving all this way. It's important to be heard and I really appreciate you taking the time to be so organized with um what what you said and coming prepared with with statistics and data. It's very useful. Um and it's important to hear from the community. So, thank you all very much. Um I I think that it's you know resounding that there are traffic problems. there's already, you know, infrastructure problems and that um perhaps it's not the best time until we catch up with our infrastructure.

Um I'd like to concur with Commissioner Tinklinburg. I don't live in that area, but I have driven around the parcel and I'm just concerned about the overwhelming um traffic, the units, the infrastructure, the just everything that's going on. And so I I really love development, but I love smart development. And I'm just not sure that the timing is right for this um to be smart. Any other comments or questions?

Basically, what has been put forward tonight? Um, it would have a negative effect on young people. As far as schools, it would have a negative effect on older people who need emergency services. On average, we have Sun City with I don't know how many thousand homes. I do not live there, but I always joke that I'm in the category that might need um an emergency service and to know how stretched we are right now, I wouldn't want to do something that affects my neighbors in Indian land that could affect a life or death issue. And then those in the middle, the people who have to get out and drive to work and so forth. I was coming down 521 the other day and there were two accidents within half a mile

at the same time and one seemed to be pretty bad. Um I don't know if any staff members recall at one point I asked if we can get Yes. Do you mind speaking into your microphone please?

Certainly. So sorry. I think it was Friday. Don't want anybody to miss these pearls of wisdom. Um, so do we have access, not for tonight's meeting, but going forward of an accident count on the main roads like 521 and 160 because I know this is not factual information, but it just seems every time you look on the Indian Land page on Facebook, they give out warnings. Don't go down such and such. There's a bad accident. Don't get on 521 at this park because there's a bad accident. So anyway, to just wrap up, the young people are being hurt by unplanned development, unmanaged development. The older people who are more likely to use emergency services, although any age can, are going to be hurt. And those in the middle trying to go to work or doctor's appointments or anything who have to get on the highways. Unfortunately, I just think it's not the right time. The main weird word we hear all the time is infrastructure. We do not have it. Any more comments or questions? Um, so, uh, I have a roll call vote. Is that what's next? Yokimuritan

against. Francis Lou against. Lynette Henson against. Jason Cavalier against. Sheila Henson against. Judiana Tinklinberg against. Chairman Richards against. Unanimous.

Is denied unanimously. The next item on our agenda is DA 20251506 Arbor Meadows.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Tonight we have a review of a development agreement application for Arbor Meadows. This is a de proposed development for 92 lots on 47.47 acres. A little background and history on this one. This project had a development agreement that was enacted back in 2021 via the ordinance 2021769. That agreement had an effective date clause that was not perfected and was automatically terminated. The excerpt from the rest of this screen is a screenshot of that part of the development agreement with the highlighted section where if certain things were not completed by a certain date that it automatically terminated without further action and that is what happened. They were not able to complete this and the original development agreement died. So the the developers, the new developers are coming forward to request that development agreement be redone since it died. It has to be considered a new agreement. Since that has happened, um planning staff as well as the county attorney have been looking into standardizing our development agreements. Um you all know very well that we've learned some lessons from past development agreements and we're trying to step away from some of those um lessons that we've learned and make some changes. Um I have included a redline version that I sent to you via email and it should be in your packet as well that are the proposed changes that staff and the attorney has reviewed. Um but I would welcome any questions, comments or additions into that document from this body. Commissioners, do you have any questions for staff?

So, are we are we reviewing and approving the template for the the development agreement and approving this um this subdivision? Is that what we're doing?

The the subdivision is associated with the development agreement. So it can't stand alone because the the requirement is they're looking for the overlay which is the variations in lot width. So standard a standard development a standard subdivision you have a set lot width which typically for off the top of my head is 70 feet lot width. Um with a development agreement requesting the um cluster overlay um you have varied lot width. You could have some that are 40, 50, 60. Um, and that's one of the things that comes with it. So, in order to get that those special privileges on the development on the plat side, you have to approve the development agreement.

Madame Chairman, I make a motion to continue because I want to read I want to pay attention to my development agreement. First off, I'm trying to make sure that I have everything. I'm looking for this email from Thomas.

Yes.

Um

um Madam Chairman, could I have a moment to show staff? I I don't think I have some supporting documents. Oh, and finding out also here. Just double check this. Okay. Yep. Suckling seems to be inserted into this. I'll second it. We have a motion on the floor and a second to continue this to next month so we can get the appropriate um staff reports in there. Do we still need

to do public hearing and comment even if somebody signed up to speak? You you're tableabling the item so it would be best to have it at the other one because you don't actually have an item that you're bringing forth right now. Typically though, when people um have come, even when we've continued the item, we've let them be heard. We did that at the last meeting. Okay. If you would like to, you can. And you could hold the you could hold the public hearing without the item. I'm going to hold the email and I'll let the one person. So, um do we have to vote on it first before we go to public hearing or after public hearing? You would want to have your public hearing before you table it because then it's going away.

All right. We're going to consider oursel in public hearing. Um, we have an email, but then we also have a David Henson. If you'd like to speak, David Henson still here. Please state your name and address for the record. My name is David Henson. My address is 2781 Pine View Drive, Langster, South Carolina. Uh I'm a concerned citizen that lives on this part of town and has for for over 40 years. And to see this development uh being recommended to come up on this side of town, it just really is mindboggling when you start looking at and hearing the things you've heard so far tonight about infrastructure. I mean, you're talking about put 94 houses on this road where you got plenty of houses on either side of the road. And this subdivision is going to have just two entrances. Okay? And just a mile and a quarter up the road, they're going to put 850 more houses because it's over 900 houses in a one and a quarter mile. Okay? Then you start talking about, you know, schools. I mean, I know a lot of people talk about we have Brooklyn Springs, uh, McDonald Green, Irwin, and South Junior High, and these are not large schools. This is going to be, I mean, amazing to see how this plays out. I don't see where these kids are going to go to school, and the infrastructure. I mean, look at the strain it's going to put on the the water system, the sewer system. uh are the communities around there going to have problems with water pressure and I live across where one of the entrances are going to be at and I can't envision school buses coming out of that neighborhood with the traffic we already have because Pine View Drive

right now is basically a shortcut to came and the bypass to the north side of town and I tell you that road is a 35 mile per hour speed limit. The traffic now is is really unbearable. We go to a two-lane microwane to a two-lane airport where they're going to put the other 850 houses. And you're talking about almost a thousand houses in this area. And I mean, I hadn't heard anybody from the Lanch County Water Sewer District talk about the water to sewer uh the traffic. We don't even know if they had been a a traffic uh study done. They said they were going to do one on Airport Road, but when you pull out of Pine View on Mac Wayne, you only go a short distance and you're on Airport Road. And unless you live on this side of town, I mean, you you can't believe the traffic. I mean, you get down Airport Road and you get to a point where you have a ATM on one side, a Dollar General, a Dollar Tree, food line, a car wash, and I can't tell you how many accidents have happened there right now with the traffic that we have now. I mean, it's just I think this is being pushed ahead of the infrastructure. I don't think we have the the EMT, the fire service, the police service that can really get a hold of this just like Indian land. I mean, this is this is a lot of growth in a small area. You're talking about a thousand houses in like a a mile and a quarter. And I appreciate you really consider looking at this. I I think it's a problem.

Thank you. Thank you, sir. We have no one else. We're consider ourselves out of public comment. Um so um we have a motion on the floor to continue this to next month and a second. Um can we have a roll call vote or do we can we do hands or does it matter? Uh let's do show of hands to continue this to next month so we can make sure we have the missing staff report. Unanimously it passes.

What What's your name, sir? Okay. I apologize, sir. Yes, please come up. I thought you were the email. Yep. Mr. Richard, who knows? Just for proprietary actions, reopen. We are now back into public comment. Please state your name and address for the record. Honorable chairperson, director, and uh name and address for the record.

Thomas E. Philaw, 2561 Pine View Drive, Lancaster, South Carolina. I'm a 30 year res 30 plus year resident at that location. And it's also known as Kenan Height Subdivision. Uh I'm here because of my concerns because of my property, my neighborhood, and the resources for Lancaster County. I, as the previous speaker, one of the primary entrances is directly in front of my house. Uh, three minutes is enough time to adequately and responsibly address the concerns that this and other uh developments raise. But first, let me state that I'm not against development. What I'm against is irresponsible development. Uh, specifically, uh, once again, proposed is Arban Meadows on Pine View Drive. As you said, it was first proposed in 2021 and now again in 2025. Some of my concerns are infra infrastructure issues. They're apparently still proposing 92 homes, but we don't know how these homes may have changed. What's the design? What's the community uh requirements before it was going to be uh paved sidewalks, lighted streets, uh a dog park, a little park up front, as well as an HOA. So, it's going to be a a specified development. All we know now is 92 homes. We don't have any other information. We're mushrooms right now. We don't know. Uh before there were 2200 square foot homes, as may have said if so, how's that changed and how uh entrances, as he previously said, two entrances, both on Pine View Drive, which is a heavily traveled road. I've requested traffic speed signs in front of my house a number of times. The fastest speed that they clock that I saw was 69 miles an hour. It's a 35 speed mile 35 miles per hour speed zone area. I saw one one way

he had to be going over 100 miles an hour. I used to race so I have a little bit of inclination what speed is. Um, and with the curves and the condition of that road, it's just too dangerous. And to put both house, both entrances on the same road. I really question because one time before when they talked about it, they were going to have an entrance on the backside. So, we don't know what happened there. The traffic pattern and the load, uh, it's heavily traveled. Most drivers, like I say, don't even come close. Uh, emergency services need the sewer system. the sewer system they put in. We were told by the previous development right outside these chamber doors after the last meeting that they may have to redo the sewer system that has already been installed. Who's going to pay for that? The county, the US taxpayers or the developer? Um, and the emergency services needs have been mentioned. Uh, staffing, fire, emergency police. Uh, I do want to say this. Uh, I repeat, I desire that the leadership of Lancaster County was as aggressive in recruiting industry to bring meaningful jobs to Lancaster County as they are in approving housing developments. Now, I'll repeat myself. I'm not against development of in this county. What I'm against is irresponsible development. I pray God's guidance in your seeking the answer to this question.

Thank you, sir. We will now consider ourselves out of public hearing. Um, we have a motion and a second to continue this to the next meeting because we're missing the staff report. Can we have a show of hand vote? Already did that. Yeah. No, I think we already did that. I do have a question before we finish that up. I apologize. Um, do we have a map? Um, do we have because you know what was stated earlier there was there's been some confusion. It showed one that had three exits. Now it's showing two. Um, and I'm very familiar with that area. I'm just curious to have I drove it today.

What that looks like as was stated. Curious if they could provide that. It is attached into that development agreement that you have. It's in your packet. I take that back. That's not That's bound from last time. Let me see. It hasn't changed.

Thank you. Any other questions? All right. So, we have a motion before us to um and a second to continue this to the next meeting because we're missing the staff report. Can I have a show of hand votes to continue this to the next meeting? Seven to nothing. We will continue this to the next meeting. Can you clarify where um find where the development agreement is in the packet?

One second. I can give you the page number. The development agreement starts on page 90 of 358 and it begins with exhibit A2 which is 109 of 358 and it goes several pages. Thank you. Thank you.

Now we are moving on to public hearing items for the planning commission decision. Um item number SD 2024 1350 Riverside Single Family aka Riverside Manor. All right. Good evening. Let's start off Riverside here. Can you click There we go. Can you click back on the slides so I can use the clicker or I'll just go off your pace. All right. So the proposed development is 251 acres located off Riverside Road. Uh the intent is to develop 133 single family lot subdivision zone currently zone rural neighborhood. And on the left hand side of this curtain is a location map with the sub parcel outlined in red. Next slide. Okay. Got it. Uh two or two location photos of the site. The one on the left is an aerial view of the Suzuk property. The one on the right is an on the ground view of the proposed subject property off of Riverside Road. Uh here on the slide is now the proposed preliminary plat. Uh this one was revised and we got this revised version earlier this month. 131 lots connectivity index of 1.5. Uh the most major change was the intersection outlined in red. Before it was an elbow or a knuckle uh with a proposed intersection within that uh elbow or knuckle but now it is a more traditional uh intersection with an attached culde-sac.

Bear with meat. Yes, there we go. Uh the Okay. the uh applicants the most recent version uh that we just saw back on the 6th of this month and the TRC review is completed on the 18th. Uh the only now approved comment was from the school district stating that due the current approved projects in the pipeline uh the school capacity will be at or near capacity. Let's see.

You need to be above the screen in front of you. There you go. In terms of infrastructure, the closest SCOT count it uh was about a mile away from the subject parcel at the entrance of the Riverchase community. And on the left is a snippet from that station showing traffic increasing from 2022 to 2024. For public safety, the fire station, it's in the Van Lake Fire District. Terms of schools, as I mentioned a couple slides ago, the schools affected in this area would be Irwin Elementary, Aor Rucker Middle, and Linkster High School. This chart is included in your packets. In terms of the comprehensive plan, it is designated as rural for the future land use category, which this proposal would be consistent with. So, at this time, staff is recommending approval of this preliminary plan. I'm available for questions and the applicants also here if you have questions for them. Commissioners, do you have any questions for staff?

Curative, I see your hand. Yeah. So, I have a question. Um, from the distance from the traffic count station, what businesses and or stations or opportunities to turn off so that they're not included in the count. What What opportunities are between that one on that one mile? That one mile. I mean, is Riverside Road uh and other adjacent roadways. Okay.

Yeah, I just pulled the one that was closest from SDOT's database. So, that was the the closest one I could pin down. So, it's mostly located right in front of Riverchase, which has the existing uh proved phase two phase two to the north. So, that that would be in between these two. It would be a unbuilt section of Riverchase. see if I can get that out. But potentially there could be a lot of turnoffs before that station. So you can kind of see the top of Riverchase uh which is the kind of the yellow on the uh map on the bottom left hand side of the screen. So that's Riverchase and the southern parcel is red.

Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Um one of my biggest comments I saw was already re revised when they fixed that bulb. So, I liked seeing that. Not that I'd like more culde-sacs, but it was an improvement. Um, has there been any direction or more information provided on the amenity listed within the development? We have not received any further information. It was just addressing the culac. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? Is the applicant here? and would they like to come up and address us?

The applicant here. Applicant is present. Please state your name and address for the record, please. Um, Claire Folk, 2328 Laneir Avenue in Charlotte.

Yeah. Andy Coloulston, 5139 Paige Highway, Lancaster, South Carolina. This is a development that we've been looking at here trying to um kind of lines of uh river chase and everything, oneacre lots with uh public water and everything. Um and uh just trying to see what kind of development we can get there. um try to help the area grow a little bit. Um we've addressed the comments and stuff, the amenity buildings. We're um working with the um builders, home builders and stuff that if this is approved and everything, then we're letting the home builders decide that what kind of amenities they want to put in there, whether it's a swim pool, clubhouse, uh just kind of working with them on what they want to do there for their community. have anything else?

Um, I'm with Seaman Whiteside, the civil engineering consultant on behalf of the Colston. Um, I'm here to answer any technical questions you may have about the plan. Um, as it was mentioned, we've worked with staff extensively to make sure the plan is in compliance with the UDO. We've addressed their comments and um, as mentioned, the only comment is the the school comment remaining. Any questions from

um Hey, thanks for being here. Um I guess my concern is knowing knowing um how much our infrastructure is lacking, right? And trying to learn from the infrastructure of what I currently deal with in Indian land, not wanting to exasperate that problem further south of five. And that's where we're at. I know there's this um proposed development and many more to come in the vicinity and I'm trying to improve from lessons learned. So, would you be willing to add turn lanes into your development as part of this project to help with public safety, future road improvements, um trying to offset the impact that you're bringing to Burden County? if there we did a traffic study and I'm not sure what the DOT requirements were for that

but we're following the the DOT requirements what they're required us to put in. So I guess what I'm asking is are you willing to go over and beyond that minimum requirement in maybe in a minimum requirement. Yes. Okay. I have a comment to add. Um the TIA did not recommend any improvements. Um, but I will say that it did factor in future improvements to the intersection at I believe is SC5. Um, there's improvements to that intersection. There's also a future roundabout um that was considered in the recommendation for for this development. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

Um, I've got a question. It looks like um it's beautiful land out there actually. um this particular so if I'm understanding this correctly it's basically again going to be um 251 acres not real sure how much is developed developable of that with a 133 proposed sites um the question well several questions I have I noticed that there is farmland is there any of the farmers from what I've saw and correct me if I'm wrong. Um, soybean plants around there. Is there any is am I correct about that? Is am I at the right site?

I'm not sure if there soybeans. I've not been by there in the last few months, but I'm not sure if it's soybeans, but I know in the past they've done soybeans and they've also done corn. Um, has there been any Every year they swap crops for different nutrients out of the ground. Uh but uh 251 acres, 131, 132 lots is 132 acres. So there's basically still 120ome acres there undeveloped.

From the naked eye, I really couldn't see kind of like what the land looked like on that part. And it sounds, you know, at this time there's nobody developing around there. Um I did see a permanent fixture on there. Um not exactly sure what what was there before. Um maybe it was a barn or something like that. I'm just curious as to there was one house and used to be a old uh things used to be like old radio tower something out there which has been removed maybe a year ago but there's one old house still there that would come down

but you've had no no kind of interaction or do the farmers around you know that this is going to go on because um just being part of the planning commission and actually just following this ever since I was younger um living out in the country, you you know, you'll see a sign about like this. And if you're not familiar what that sign means, a lot of the people don't know what that means. And next thing you know, you've got 130 something houses in the middle of their not really in the middle of their farm. So that that was one concern I had. And the other was um the road coming up on where is your exits going to be? If this is approved, where you've got Riverside Road, where will your will your exits be?

Both will be on Riverside. Both will be on Riverside Road. Yes, ma'am. How close is the other one to Riverchase? About a mile. So, you're on the left if I'm going towards Lancaster. Uh coming off out of Bwack down on the right and Riverchase is on the on the right. Right. Okay.

Thank you. Um I'm I'm always surprised when it with SC DOT when when they come back because um um I I drive on that road quite frequently. It is not very wide. It does not have great line of sight. Um I'm just I need to find out who I need to talk to at SC DOT and ask them to start doing a better job of analyzing their stuff because I see them approve things all the time that I'm like, "Have you been out and driven on that road?" and actually looked at it. So, um, yeah, I was I say because it's there's some there's some blind curves and and I think I said before I've I've been going what's the speed limit through there? 45.

I've been going through there at 50 and had somebody come by me on a blind curve and a double yell line, leaving me in the dust. So, people drive through there like like maniacs. That's my only concern is that um you know DOT saying you don't need any turn lanes, you don't need anything. And I know there's a lot of blind curves and hard curves right in this right in this area. That's my only concern. And like I said, it's it's you've technically been approved by DOT, but sometimes I wonder what DOT is thinking and what they are why they're approving what they're approving. Any other comments or questions for the applicant? Can I address that issue?

Yes, sir. according to with DOT where we've put our entrances in showing the um the site distance and everything. We're meeting all their requirements for their site distances and stuff where we because we have actually relocated the entrances a couple of times to satisfy their sight distance everything to give as adequate view of a car turning as we could. Yeah. I my my complaint is not with you. My complaint is with with DOT. I don't think they're sending people out to actually look at these roads. They're looking at a plot plan. They're measuring some things and I don't think they really have a feel for what's out there. I travel these roads just like you do.

Yep. I want to be safe just as well.

Yep. And any other comments? I do want to kind of piggy back and I feel like I'm just dragging this out, but it really concerns me. Um because there is so much curvage on that road. There's a lot of speeding on that road. Um and it was asked, would you be cons, you know, Riverchase has a a nice turning lane. It has a nice area where if you're coming around a curve and you have somebody in front of you turning and there's oncoming traffic where you can't be rearended, that's my concern. I I suppose as being on this board, I feel like that is part of my job to make sure that the people that are building here are making sure that the people that are buying there are safe,

right? So that would be if it's not on your your plat or on your your things, I would highly suggest if you could add that that would make it a lot easier for us. Any more questions? All right. Thank you. We will now consider ourselves in public hearing. Um, we have a Ken Catz. You sent an email, but are you here to speak?

So, what do I do if I have Do I read the email or We've got the email and we can read it. Not the first one. It's the second one. some big prints. Anyway, we um commissioners, you have a copy of this um in here. Um yeah, this is a resident of uh Mr. Cats is a resident of um Riverchase and um um he's concerned about some of the side boundaries and he is and excuse me and the turn lanes and the natural buffers on Riverside. Um he's concerned about the um planned improvements traffic circle light intersection of Riverside and five and um is would this new community be interested in contributing a future firehouse on Riverside Road? So that's basically a summary of that um email. Um next person to speak uh Barbara Scanel. Barbara Scanell, 8016 Carolina Lakes Way, Indian Land, South Carolina. Uh, I'm not going to repeat everything I said before, but I'm asking that what we passed out to you is included in all the public hearings in the packet that you do for the next um, minutes. I just want to say even though I live in Indianland and other folks here speaking are also from Indian land, we care about the

entire county and that's why on the packet I gave you, I included information about what's going on between five and nine. There's thousands of units already approved between city of Lancaster and Lancaster County. So all the things that have been said impacts this. When we talk about first responders, EMS, fire, and sheriff, like we said, when we it's affecting the entire county. They get pulled up into Indian land. Everything else domino effects where there's not services available to other parts of the county because their units are moving to other areas. And I can give you a personal p I know of a person in in Riverchase that took um because they're in a volunteer fire district area which is everywhere in the county except in the panhandle which has two fire stations like we mentioned. It took 20 minutes for the fire department to get there. And we're not blaming the volunteer service. They have to get to the station and then they get to where it's going. assuming that that unit is not already gone somewhere else and has to get pulled in from another area. 20 minutes to get there, the house had burned to the ground in River Chase. So, it doesn't just affect Indian land. It affects the whole county traffic situations. We look at specific roads that are right against the development, but it affects all the other roads around it, too. It affects the 521. It affects the five. affects the nine and all the other smaller roads that I don't the um DOT may not actually take counts of. So we care about everything including the schools like Miss Davis I am also on that citizen review committee because I am retired. I actually got to go to all the schools and I will tell you I was really you know it broke my heart in some areas because I know what's coming at them and like the other

gentleman said there's about another thousand units coming at them in addition to what's already been approved in addition to what the um county and city is looking at. So this affects everything not just Indian land. So, we want you to let you know we care about the entire county and we're asking you to consider asking number one the things that you were asking about for the right turn lanes and left turn pockets coming off the roads. We're urging you to put that as a requirement because we we're dealing with it in Indian land and I've seen it driving around the rest of the county that those are issues too. as well as we're asking you for to ask them to reduce the number of units that they are proposing to put into this development because we need to reduce some of this till all those other infrastructure and first responders and schools can catch up. So, thank you for your time. We appreciate everything staff does. We know it's a tough job and we appreciate everything you do. So, please take that in consideration. Don't just rubber stamp this one or any of the other ones coming. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Cheryl Hanhart Beck. Name and address for the record, please. Cheryl Hanhard Beck, 1312, Teal Court, Indian Land, South Carolina 29707. And as Barbara said, I'm not going to reiterate what I said in the beginning, but I would urge the planning commission to reduce the number of units for all of the items on plan tonight because nothing has been done on the infrastructure and all we're doing is adding more logs to the fire of more traffic, crowded

schools, and delayed EMS services. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Kevin Gribbon.

Name and address for the record, please. Kevin Gribbon, 10414 Beth Page Drive in Indian Land. I don't want to reiterate what was spake spoken before about police and fire uh services within the county, but I would just ask that you uh consider uh reducing the number of uh units that are on the docket to be presented tonight. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Susie Procher,

name an address for the record, please.

Susan Proer, 2290 Hartwell Lane, Indian Land 29707. I don't want to repeat what I said earlier about the uh annual traffic flow u throughout the county. But I would like to draw your attention to two items at the very end. uh South Carolina 5, Rock Hill Highway, York County line to SC75 uh had 18,900 vehicles on it on 2000 in that one-year period 2022 to 2023 and that was an increase of 2,200 vehicles from the previous year. so you know how things are changing. And then uh also SC5 Rock Hill Highway West Rebound Road to US 521. Uh it had 12,200 uh average daily traffic and that was an increase of only 400. I ask that you just uh reconsider or consider the public health and safety issues that we discussed earlier and um request that the applicant reduce the number of units in the uh proposed plat for uh SD 20002 20241350. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. Angela Davis. Name and record. Name and address for the record, please.

Angela Davis, 4016 Grove Park Lane, Indian Land. Same thing. We want to learn from our mistakes. Indian Land has not just growth. We have overgrowth. We are over capacity in so many ways with our infrastructure, with our schools, fire, EMS. We don't want to see that happen in Lancaster. We want to help be a voice to propose smart growth. Okay. Um, the roads bond and the school bond did not pass in 2024. So, we are still behind the eightball. And that means Indian land, Lancaster, it's all coming down. So, we want to make sure that we are helping be a voice for those that can't be here to help put that on your mind when you're going forward and thinking about this. I do appreciate everything you are doing. Um, but I would recommend this one for denial. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. and David Bazri.

It's actually pronounced Devid. I'm Devided Bossy, 4099 Pimmen Road, Lancaster. I live in River Chase Estates and I'm one of the longer term residents there. Uh I'm not going to address the overall infrastructure. The folks from Indian Land have done that. Uh, I've got two points and this is kind of a rinse and repeat from the July from the June meeting. Uh, it is simply unreasonable to not have turning lanes there. Uh, I live in Riverchase and I have people on my tail all the time and if I couldn't get over in order to turn on Riverchase and that and that portion of the road is fairly straight, there would be people passing me on a double yellow line or bumping up on my behind all the time. Without turning lanes for this development, you're talking about bringing southbound traffic to a complete halt. Now, these people are going 60 and plus miles an hour. If there's somebody coming northbound and they want to turn left into that neighborhood, they want a second entrance which is going to be right on the crest of a hill without turning lanes uh when they get to phase three. Uh so that's I I just think because it's a byight proposal, you folks are the only ones who can require the turning lanes. This is not going to council. This this is where the buck stops. you guys put it in that they have to put in turning lanes or it's going to be a safety hazard for an indefinite period. The other thing that I'll say is uh we discussed this before it was clearcut and the lots in the plat butt up right on Riverside Road the backs of those lots. Now I understand they're one lake lots which is a bit of a buffer but it was all clearcut. So everybody going down Riverside is going to be looking at the backs of these houses. We have no idea what class of home is being built. It sounds like they're still negotiating with builders, but the backs of those

houses are going to be completely exposed to Riverside Road. You go down to Riverchase Estate, you can't see a single house. And even when they get to section three, you'll be able to see maybe four or five houses out of the thousand that are back in there. In this, you're going to see the entire development. And the first 25, they are literally on Riverside Road. And I just think some sort of a mandate needs to be made for BMS and landscaping or set it back a little bit or something. But, uh, it's such a beautiful part of the county out there and to drive past and see, you know, and again, I have no idea what class of home that they're going to build there, but uh, it's just unreasonable not. The main thing is it is just unreasonable to do that development without turning lights. People are maniacs on that road. Thank you. The applicant have any um response to the public comments.

Yes. Did you sign up to speak, sir? Oh, okay. Please state your um name and address for the record, please.

I'm Earl Coen. I live at 6023 uh Turkey Oak Lane in Lancast I mean in Inuland, South Carolina. And I see we got five or six people here is completely against any kind of growth in the county. And I've been around for a long time and lady, I want to see the county grow. I built Region Park, Fort Mill. I've seen him grow for 35 years and I moved over here. But the I've talked to the guy here talking about down there at uh the estates, they got one entrance, got a turning lane. We got two entrance and the houses we if he look up down if he been down that road lately, he cannot hardly see that land for the trees and stuff on the back of that property. These houses we building in there is on an acre lot or bigger. You got over acre lot and the houses in there will sell anywhere from 750 to a million half dollars. They're not they're not going to be cheap houses in there only because the land out there and the stuff out there is growing. And I want to see and we got to have people here. You're talking about hospitals, your doctors, your uh ambulance and this that and the other. You don't have all that stuff. You get people school stuff. If you don't build a schoolhouse out there till you got people in you, you got to have growth. I've been around for a long time in a bunch of areas and a bunch of cities. And I just ask you, we building it. We got 250 acres. We got 133 houses over acre lot. I got three or four acres set aside for amenity for the people there. And it probably be mostly I I don't think it affect the schools very much because I think most of the people be in there be older type families. I don't I don't really know. But we are development. I'll bring NASA builders. Got a big couple NASA builders coming in that builds over se 750.

Some of them don't build nothing less than a half million dollar houses, but most of them are $750 to a million dollar million half dollar homes. And I just asked y'all, we was here last month and we talked about we have to have turning lanes for safety. I don't know what all we have to have, but I want to abide by the rules and regulation of the county and the far and the transportation. I've been out there on that road a bunch of times, too. And traffic people drive fast. You go up there on 521 and drive like a maniac down through there, you get run over if you ain't careful. But we got laws and stuff to protect us. So, we hope. But we're trying to grow and I've been trying to grow the south side of Lancaster more than I have the north side. I live in your land. Traffic up there is tremendous heavy. I know that real bad. But this growth has got a bunch of commercial and bunch of stuff going in there. Do you want to shut down? Do you grow or do you want to live out go out in a farm and buy you three or four, five acres, 10 acres, 50 acres and live by yourself and not worry about the traffic and the people in in the farm. But either way, I just ask y'all, y'all been awful good to me. Last time I came here, I had a landuh down zone that y'all said I set the record there. So now I'm asking and I ain't ask no zoning. I'm just ask you allow me to build what the land is already zone for and the people there. And we want to build a nice product in in the Lancaster and I thank y'all for the effort y'all's done and the thing y'all done in Lancaster and I got several other projects I'm working on. I'd be back before y'all again. But just ask you to take consideration other growth and what can happen if we grow and grow in a positive way, not a negative way. I've seen some places that that's grown negative in some of the places that overgrown, but if we plant it right and and y'all do your job right, y'all can help us grow in a

proper way. and I just say you approve this project and let us start building the nicer areas out there and that we ain't going out there and ain't going to be a day on it on it. And the guy from down there that like I say we'll we'll be very strong competitors of of the Riverside Estates down there. We'll be very strong with them and maybe they don't want us out there. I don't know. But you know, you can't keep traffic that that road out there on it. I thank y'all and I appreciate it here for the time you allowed me.

Thank you, sir. Um um this concludes all of our um citizen comments. So, we will consider ourselves out of public hearing. Um, commissioners, you have before you SD 2024 1350 Riverside Single Family, aka Riverside Manor. Do I hear a motion? I make a motion to

the affirmative. Miss Hson, can you repeat your motion, please? I just said I'm mutton jung and me. I just said I make a motion to deny the affirmative.

All right, I'll second that. Okay, so what do we do from here? All right, we're up for discussion then. Okay, so do we have um any comments or discussion? Yes, M.

Um, I don't know which member of the public it was who said, "We are the only ones who can ask them to put turn lanes in here if we're going to approve this." Um, the gentleman who just spoke who owned the property told us they're going to be threequarters of a million to a million dollar houses. That's $133 million retail. and we're talking about whether or not to have safety put in with turn lanes. I live in Legacy Park, one of the very first developments put in in Indianland. Our entrances are on a curve. You take your life into your hands every time you pull out. It's not too bad if you want to go with the traffic, but you want to cross the traffic. So hopefully we've learned that these things have to be looked at. Miss Tinkllinberg brought it up. Would you be willing? And it was kind of we don't SC do says we don't have to, which is true.

That's the minimum. And when asked if you would be if they would be willing to put it in, you know, we can't just let it go and say, "Well, we asked and we brought it up." Brought it up isn't good enough. Like the traffic we've told just flies down there and then someone is going to stop to a dead stop and block the road while they're waiting to turn in. I think if we have any intention of voting to approve this, then traffic or turn lanes have to be part of it. The buck stops here. I agree.

I would also like to add that we need buffers because this is about aesthetics as well. And I love the idea of a consideration for a firehouse because that's public service. What are the UDO requirements for buffers? Because personally, if I were buying a house that expensive and my backyard budded up to a public road, I would want some kind if I spent that kind of money, I would want some kind of a buffer there. I know we're getting the cart a little bit ahead of the horse. But

I I don't have the code memorized. I'm sorry. I do know that um between residential and residential there are no required buffers, but on our frontage there should be some buffers, but I I don't want to tell you the wrong information and I don't have my code book in front of me.

I live right down the road from Wilson Creek that's being put in. I don't see there are some buffers, but basically as you go down that road, you're looking in people's backyards. you shouldn't be. You should be looking at the road ahead of you, but it's very much a distraction looking out and seeing what people are doing in their backyard. So, even considering a buffer as a safety um measure. So, when would buffers be addressed? When they're when they're getting their plats approved and their drawings approved. Okay.

Did you repeat that? I was going to say when when in the process would the buffer requirements come into play and be addressed and that's when they go to get the their drawings would be their construction drawings. Yeah, we will require landscaping plans at that point and everything at the point of the civils with the TRC review. Um, everything from sidewalks to street trees to buffers to driveways to curb and gutter. All of that is reviewed by the TRC.

I we just don't know what the requirements are right now.

So, any other comments? Um, I am uh definitely of the um Oh, I'm sorry, sir. This area is uh isolated. We've had issues with other uh development requests down there around fire coverage. I think our uh last guess uh best estimates from planning department were that it was at least a 15-minute ride to your closest fire department, which was volunteer. So, add on 20 30 minutes worth of VFD guys showing up as soon as they can get out of work or wherever they are. There's an imminent safety issue there. Uh that's always been a problem. And then uh I'm real sure that our councilman from district one does not support any growth between Lancaster and five. Um there is not the infrastructure to support what is desired there.

Um you said staff was recommending to approve this. Do they have the inf the water and sewer infrastructure in place here? They have the water approvals. This will be septic permits and they're required to present all of the septic permits prior to approval of the final plat as well. May yes,

the um the planning committee I mean um staff they do a great job and they are um and when they they have to if everything's in place they have to approve it. if everything's there and in place, they do have to approve it because if they didn't, they could get sued. But that's the reason you got a planning staff here, too, because we get to hear all of it and we get to look at it. We have heard Lancaster County speak tonight, all these people that have spoken against this. And and I don't even care. I don't even live in that area. But I do know that as much as I've heard people speak, um, these contractors and whoever, they need to get a little more, um, better, um, with their with their plans. I I I think we've got to be we've got to listen to Lancaster County. We've got to listen to the people of Lancaster County. And it sounds like to me they have spoken tonight and I appreciate that. Um, and as I say, I I know the planning commission does their job, but I also I've been on this thing long enough to know that they have to go by if every if every box is checked, then they've got to approve it. But we don't. Thank you.

Any other comments? All right. I All right. So, what's the total number? So, you're talking 133 septic permits. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Um, what's that? Riverchase has a lot more than that that we've had to deal with before. Okay. Welcome to our side of the world. So, I wasn't I wasn't here when River Chase went through. exercise like I didn't realize we were still approving that many septic fields

with the with the changes in the governmental body of the entity formerly known as DHECK. Um they will not do an entire subdivision anymore at one time. They used to do it kind of like okay we know that there's a plat we'll approve all of those now it's individual permits that they they're issuing. All right, Madam Chairman. Yes.

So, if this were to be denied tonight that it can be brought back in a better what we might consider a better incarnation with turn lanes and buffer and so forth instead of us working out what we want on the fly. So that leaves staff in kind of a a hard place because as Miss Sheila Henson just mentioned, if if it checks off all the boxes in the code, staff has to recommend approval. So if you want to require something above and beyond what's in the code, then you're going to have to um make that you're going to have to state that on the record so that we have something to to check off that box. I think that we've kind I mean we haven't exactly said this is what we want. I think we've gone back and forth that this is what we would like to see what we asked if they were willing to do but we didn't really get far with that. But what I'm saying instead of us going back and forth, what we want right now, if it were denied in this form, it could be brought back to us once you and the uh developer knows what is important to us for safety.

You would have to state on the record exactly what you're requiring for us. We can't assume by your conversations what you want. Um, if if there's something that you've mentioned, say the turn lanes or whatever, if it's something specific that you're requiring them to bring back, then you will have to put that on the record so that staff and the developer knows what you're requiring for an approval. But on the other hand, if that's not the only reason, this is not palatable for safety reasons and whether it's EMS or infrastructure. We also don't want to mislead that once turn lanes are in it would be acceptable.

That that is the commission's perview should you desire that. Thank you. I would like to make a motion that we approve with amendments and include buffer on the frontage, turning lane inclusion, and some consideration for a firehouse to be built for that area. Madame Chair, we have a motion and we have a motion to deny and a second on the floor. We either have to have that withdrawn or we need to

No, she can amend that motion. Is she amending that motion or she I didn't make the motion. So you Okay, you still have the right to amend that motion just like we did on the other one with the text amendment in the beginning. It's the same process. We just have to make sure we keep it

clear. Okay. Before you do be don't want to before you do I would rather see a new plat before rather than voting yes with conditions and then having it be seen. I would rather see a new safer plat than just saying approved with conditions. I would like to have it come back with what we feel would make it. Yes.

Um I was kind of basically going on the same lines of wondering if we could table it and see what the developers brought to the table. What are they willing to put in there? What are they going to show us? This is what they will do to um satisfy the buffer, satisfy the turning lanes, maybe some amenities over here. what are you going to put on the table? Um, without us just saying yes or no or just proposing things that we have not as a committee had time to talk about and and them also as uh developers had time to talk about. I'd like to withdraw my amendment. I like that

point of order. We cannot table a preliminary plat. If the applicant wishes to defer, they can, but you would have to ask them if they wish to do it. We cannot require it because of the 60-day requirement for preliminary plat.

However, as another point of clarification that there with some of our actions such as a reasonzoning, if it goes to council, there are deadlines and like a waiting period. With the preliminary plat, there is no waiting period. So, should the plat be denied tonight, they can bring it back at their whenever they feel that they've made adjustments or ready to bring it back to you with with no waiting period. Would the applicant be willing to defer this and make some of the changes and suggestions that we are considering? Yep.

Is that the developer? That's the owner. Is that the developer? Yep.

Y'all y'all are putting them in a hard place because they got y'all got rules and regulations that they have to follow. But y'all don't have to follow anything. I don't reckon. But I tell you what I will do. We got two entrance. I will put turning lanes in one of them, the main one because the other is just secondary for the fire department. But I will put a turning lane if y'all let us go. And the buffer will be landscape. I'm telling you, the guy out there ain't it's it' be the house that you ain't going to have million-dollar house looking out the street regardless owner, the builder, or whatever. Do it. We got to have some common sense as Trump says about what we do and it so what we need to do is just you know we going to build and have some nice houses and and do it but I will commit to the planning department to put in a turning lane on one X on the main entrance and that's where we're going to have our nice monuments. The second one won't have no monuments except just a sign on it because people have the fire department people going in and out if y'all let me start building on it.

I'm sorry. Just for clarification, that entrance is only for fire or it's also going to No, it's a main entrance. It's an entrance, but it's not the main entrance and it'll be a like uh but still usable. It'll be it'll be monuments and a big sign on it. The other one be a small secondary sort of like different residents be using that second

would the residents be using that entrop will the main one because it have coming in the back way you know it has two entrance in there to go in and out through it but I'm talking about the main one is for the public or for the marketing people you say it'll go it'll lead up to the clubhouse and the amenities coming in the main entrance on And and our second entrance will not be it'll be a sign up there, but you know where you're at and what you're doing, but it won't be a big it won't be it won't be a two or $300 monument sitting up there. It'll be a 50 or 75 100. You don't got sign down there on it. But but if if the if the turning lane is a hold up with the county, they're not the end of the world out there. And and it probably be safe. It probably be more, but I was going by what the do we paid them $15,000 to design what we need to do and now it ain't worth 15 cents. So, oh, so I'm just I'm just saying, you know, we only got guidelines in the county and and the plan department has been wonderful. They guide us through what we need to do to follow their rules and their regulations. And what they're supposed to do is be sure that we follow that when we build it and and when we design it back. And they got they going to come up with we do our structural plans. We got another set of plans that they got to prove. They can add stuff or require stuff on it that that's in the guideline. And you know, we done been through this last month with the turning lanes. And now uh is again the turning lanes. And undoubtly y'all want turning lanes. So, I'll give you turning lanes. I appreciate it. I ain't trying to be I ain't trying to be smart or sarcastic. I'm just trying to tell you that we have to these people, Matthew and and and and

April and all of them, they give us guidelines and what we go by and they pretty damn strict on us now. I'm telling you. And and we try to follow every guideline. And that's what we've done on these plans. and we pay engineering $100, $200,000 to design these plans. And that's all I know how to do on it and come here and ask y'all to approve them. And but I do want to continue building in Lancaster up and area and and I'm trying to go south instead of all everything north. We're trying to get some traffic on the south side of Lancaster away from Indian land because I might have to move again if I don't. So, I app I appreciate y'all. Thanks. Thanks a lot, sir. And like I say, I let y'all y'all just

So, Mr. Coulson, for the record, you're willing to have your project tabled until you make those changes. No. Okay. Okay. There's your answer. Madam Chairwoman, I'd like to call question. What you want to table it for? That they can put it on the civil plans on it. We made the changes on it. The only thing I'm committing to is the turning lane. We have to get things. Huh? We have to get things legally and properly in the thing. So, yes, ma'am. They can prove it subject to that.

To answer that, I don't think one turning lane is going to solve this because if you have a car stopping to turn in, then it's it's a problem whether it's the main entrance or another one. And if this is the main entrance, nobody who lives over here is going to go down to the main entrance just because it's a fancy monument. They're going to take the quickest way to get to their house. So, I would like to call the question the you're talking about. What about the Riverside Estates?

I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not here to debate with you. All right. Say what what my concern is. But Riverchase only has one entrance, correct? But that's a development agreement that goes on the 19. They got one entrance. What he's trying to get at was that they only have one set of turning lanes, but they only have one entrance. Was that Yeah, I called the question. We have to vote. Yeah, they they do have a road coming in with the next phase and they got a lot. They got 250. That's not material to this question. Okay.

So, Mr. Chair, to clarify, you have a motion on the table and you have a request to call the question. So, at this point, that's you have to address her request to call for the question. All right. So, you're calling for a question. I'm calling for the vote. You're calling for the vote. Yes. So we're on the you have a motion to deny by Miss Sheila Henson and Mr. Cavalier seconded that. That's still on the table through your discussion. So that will be the um motion that you make your action on. Okay. So um roll call. Yes. So what's that? I'm sorry.

So we have a motion on the table to deny this request. motion that has been seconded. Um, can we have a roll call vote for this or do we need to do something else first? It's your decision. So, I would like to clarify this because typically you do a motion to approve and this is different. So, since you have a motion to deny on the table, a yes vote would mean yes, you are denying. A no vote means that you're voting to approve. All right. So, roll call vote. A yes vote means you are denying it. A no vote means you are approving it.

I'll state the question so it's easier to Yokim Kuritan, do you do you vote to deny? Yes. Francis Lou, do you vote to deny? Yes. Lynette Henson, do you vote to deny? No. Jason Cavalier, do you vote to deny? Yes. Sheila Henson, do you vote to deny? Yes. Judiana Tinklinberg, do you vote to deny? Yes. Chairman Richards, do you vote to deny? No.

Eyes have it. Question is denied. Five to two.

Do we do we need to take a break? It's been about two hours. Yeah. Um uh entertain a motion to take a fivem minute break. So moved. Three minute. Do I have a second? Yes. Yes. Five minute break.

places everyone places. Ladies and gentlemen, we are ready to reconvene. Yes. Get me on. Let's wait. We got one more commissioner. I'm waiting to come back. All right. Oh, all right. Grab one. Give him one more.

Hey, thank you. Do I have um You have to have a motion to come back. Huh? Okay. Do I have a motion that we're coming back from break? I make a motion that we I make a motion that we reconvene. Second. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is um SD 2024 1745 Silverton aka Silver Run.

Hello again, commissioners. Let's try to get this. There we go. So the proposed silverturn community is a 25 acre parcel located off Silver Run Road. Uh the intent is to develop 44 single family lotion currently zoned medium density residential. On the left hand side of the slide is a zoning map with the subject partial outlined in red and the surrounding zone districts uh called out with individual names. And here are two location photos of the site. The one is an aerial view on the left. So southern parcel again outlined in red. And on the right isn't on the ground view of the subject parcel at the intersection of Rise Lane and Silver Run Road. Done. All right. This is the current proposed plant. This is the most recent revised version that staff has received. Uh some park space and open space have changed compared to earlier iterations. Uh the o to overall open space is just over 10 and a half acres and the proposed park space is over an acre and a half. Uh the connectivity index is 1.5. from the technical review committee. The Langster County School District uh put the review status as not approved due to schools in the area being uh very at or near capacity and SCDOT gave a conditional that a uh encroachment permit would need to be required later on most likely during the civil review process. In terms of infrastructure, the closest SCDOT trip count station is located close to a mile away from the subject parcel, which does so show a traffic counts rapidly increasing from 2021 at 5,400 to 2023 at uh 6,900. The fire district this is located in is in the old Pleasant Valley zone and the EMS station is EMS station 49 off Old Bales

Road. Terms of schools previously mentioned the schools affected would be Parisburg Elementary, Indianland Intermediate, Middle and High School. The side yet again is in your packets. For the comprehensive plan designates this area as neighborhood, this proposal would be consistent with the comprehensive plan and does meet comprehensive plan goal 7.3. On the right is the future land use map. So the uh proposed preliminary plan is able to meet the code requirements outlined in the unified development ordinance. Uh the geographical background of this project site does provide serious challenges which will be difficult to address during the civil plan review process. So at this time staff recommends approval. I'm here to answer any questions and the applicants are also here and available.

Commissioners, do you have any questions as well? Yes, sir. Uh, Mr. Matthew. Yes. Civil plan review process challenges. What kind of challenges can you speculate on? Challenges. Those are similar to ones we discussed off in early month during our workshop. Specifically, the grades that we discussed the and the runoff concerns kind of carrying over from there. Thank you, sir. Welcome. Any other questions? applicant here. Would they like to address the commission?

Please state your name and address for the records, please.

Good evening. Brianma, 1312 Camp Creek Road in Lancaster. Joining me this evening is Chris Hansen from Broad Street Homes, Mason Greon, principal of CEC Engineering, and Dan Belaloo, our land use attorney from the law firm of Morton and Gettys. Uh, thank you for putting our presentation on the screen here and thank you. I know it's been a very long night, so I'll be very efficient with our time here. Um, madam chairperson and and members of planning commission, we appreciate the opportunity to return to you from our previous discussion back in March. Um, regarding this preliminary plat approval for the Silverton preliminary plat approval, um, although when we left the March meeting, we respectfully disagreed with your decision, it did give us five months to go back to the drawing board. Your feedback was instrumental. Your feedback was something that we didn't sidestep. Your feedback was something that we took to heart and took the last five minutes to address each and every one of your concerns. And hopefully each and every one of the concerns by folks that we met with in the Rosemont community, folks that live off of Rise Lane and other folks that live in the area, we we very much took this to heart. We're not here to sidestep any obligations. In fact, throughout the presentation here, I believe that you'll see and I hope that we demonstrate that we're going well over and above what our obligations are. Meeting the UDO is one thing, but going well beyond that is something that we felt we have done. In the spirit, we reached out to the neighboring communities, specifically Rosemont, as well as the folks on Rise Lane. We are not required to have any community meetings, but we did call for two community meetings. Letters were one out to 50 60 residents. My personal cell phone, more than glad to meet anybody on site to talk about, to your point, Commissioner Cavalier, the grading challenges, there's other

challenges, etc. Um, we had those two discussions. We had a choice to make. We could have either contested this and appealed or we could have gone down a path where we work in collaboration and we chose to work in collaboration. We worked with the planning staff. They've been terrific to work with. And the reason why it took five months and we deferred twice is because we wanted to get the plan correct to come before you tonight with a lot of confidence that we have far exceeded your requirements. We even went as far as speaking to Langster County Sheriff's Department. As a as a father of two daughters, I understand the concern of traffic. I understand the concern when someone is coming through your neighborhood that technically shouldn't be coming through your neighborhood. I've been on over 20 HOA boards. I'm not sure how I got suckered into that, but I did. So, I believe our team brings a lot of experience on how to address these different challenges. Furthermore, as an employer headquartered here in Langster County, we're very active in our community. We have two different businesses. I'm on the board for Habitat in the Langster County chapter. It is very, very important that we do what is right. Even more so, it's very important that we listen to what the county wants. We talk about we are Lancaster County. I am Lancaster County. I have two businesses here. I have family that lives in Lancaster County. So when we talk about Lanster County, I am a big voice for Langster County. We have the opportunity to move our business and our employees of over over 100 people to different counties. I am an advocate for this county. This is not just a selfish interest to develop 44 homes in Langster County. I want to do what's right for the county because of our integrity and our reputation. The land sellers could have elected to choose anybody they wanted for this property. And we're humbled and we're fortunate because we wanted to stay within the realm of what this property called for. We're not

asking for any anything more than what it already allows by right. One of the statements that was made and and it's been made a couple times, Commissioner Tingleberg, you've mentioned this and others have as well. Um, you're not anti-growth. You're not anti-development, but if it's not done responsibly, you should be anti-growth, anti-development. I believe what we show you here shortly will show that we've been very very responsible in our development plans and in the growth of this of this pocket of Lancaster County. Um, as staff has confirmed, our plan reflects both the letter and the spirit of the county and comprehensive plan. In fact, it far exceeds it. A win for the community, the county, and responsible development. Tonight, our team will share the key improvements we've made. improvements directly shaped by your feedback and the input input of the community. To start, I'd like to briefly recap the concerns raised at not only the previous planning commission meeting, but just as important, if not more important, the concerns that were raised by folks that live in Rosemont, folks that live on Rise Lane, and other folks that we have spoken to. Each of these concerns is very important. So, we're going to break them down one by one. Walking away from March's planning commission hearing and also speaking with other folks that we spoke to over the last five months. These six bullet points were the primary concerns. The value, the quality, and the size of the homes to be built. This was brought up at the last planning commission meeting. I'll speak about that on the next slide. Realignment of the entrance for improved safety. Commissioner Lou, I really appreciate you going out to the site. That was one of your concerns last time. We took that to heart. The other concern you had was the relocation of the park area. Your biggest concern was one child going from one park area running across the street to another park area. As like

I said, as a father of two daughters, I take that to heart. You'll see that we've addressed both of those concerns hopefully to your satisfaction and the satisfaction of others. the grading adjustments to address topography and privacy. Those concerns were brought up by yourself, Commissioner Richards being an engineer and Tinkle Miss uh Miss Tinkleberg, your concerns as well. We're going to be absolutely addressing that tonight. The impact on public services and schools, we're not going to sidestep that issue. Uh I live in an area where it's a popular area just like this area here and the challenges that the impacts can bring to public services and schools and solutions that can be had to resolve that. the impact on traffic and the vehicles cutting through Rosemont. Like I said, I have spoken to the sheriff's department. I've spoken to the deputy and we have strategized on how as a neighboring community of 44 homes, we can help the residents of Rosemont. We'll be speaking to that as well. Let's dive into the first concern here. At the previous planning commission meeting in March, there was reference to our homes that were going to be inferior. They're going to be smaller. Maybe no one wants me to show my homes here.

All right, there we go.

There was reference to the homes that we're going to build that were inferior. They were smaller. And it was a little headscratching because up until the two community meetings we had in July, no one's ever seen our homes. They never heard of our price points. So, I was a little taken back to hear those comments from a resident in a neighborhood whose average closing price is $521,000 over the last 12 months. I don't mention that to throw stones. I mentioned that that when we're offering homes from $800,000 to well over a million dollars, I do not think that we are doing a disservice to anyone's market value in the immediate area. I'm biased, of course, because these are our homes, but I'd like to think that these are pretty nice homes, and as an adjoining neighbor, I would not mind living next to these. These pictures are exactly that. They are actual illustrations of the homes that we build and the quality that we build. So take a little bit to heart that our homes are not going to be inferior. Moving into Commissioner Lou, your two biggest concerns in the last planning commission meeting was a realignment of the entrance for improved access and traffic flow and the relocation of the park area for safety, safer community use. These illustrations show the improvements we've made. We listened and I believe we're going well beyond halfway. The plan on the left was actually approved by public works. Mr. Gamble from SC DOT had weighed in and he was fine. Mr. Ko weighed in. He was fine. In fact, when we reached out to both of them, their response was, "Hey, we were good before, but hey, we appreciate what you guys have done." The previous plan showed that our entrance was not aligned with Rise Lane. If you look to the right, the current plan clearly shows that now it is aligning with Rise Lane. And that was one of the biggest concerns when speaking with a

couple of the residents at Rise Lane. The other concern was on the left, the previous plan had our park area being split into two different smaller park areas. You now see on the plan on the right that has all been consolidated into one much larger park area to hopefully minimize and ideally eliminate that safety concern for a child running across one side of the road to the other. I also would like to kind of zoom in on the one plan that shows that there's no more detention area that was wiping out that entire cluster of trees. You will see we have gone over over and above and have elected to use an underground detention system where all of those trees are going to stay to add additional privacy certainly for our residents but also for the residents of Rosemont and others that back up to our property. So where you see that white blockade, it states we are committed to preserving the trees and protecting the stream by utilizing underground detention in a different location. It's a lot more expensive, but we feel it's the right thing to do. Listening to the community and selfishly, we want to keep as many trees as we possibly can. Our poke our park will be programmed with walking trails, park benches, a nice trellis entrance, dog cleaning stations throughout one consolidated park area to eliminate hopefully the risk of one child running across the street to another park area. Moving into other concerns that were brought up. The grading adjustments and measures to address topography and privacy concerns. Some neighborhoods that are too flat present challenges. Some neighborhoods that have a lot of topography present other challenges. This site certainly has some topography. I'll go back to your question. Uh, Commissioner Cavalier. It's a great question.

What will be addressed in the civil plans is topography. It'll be addressing grading. It's actually already been addressed at this stage of a preliminary plat approval. We typically do not call for topography studies and surveys, but we did here. We actually have gone lot by lot setting the appropriate foundations to mitigate any type of grading challenges between ourselves and the Rosemont community. We'll talk about the grading more in detail here, but I also want to talk about the privacy because that's been another concern. This is the recorded plaid of Rosemont. You will see in blue that I highlighted that the Rosemont recorded plaid actually has an existing 10-ft buffer. Silverton is not required to have any buffer and this was also a concern of Commissioner Tinkleberg as well as Commissioner Richards. What we have elected to do and are committed to doing it is add an additional 10-ft buffer. now providing 20 foot buffer between the Rosemont boundary as well as the Silverton boundary. I think coming into this and of course I'm biased because I want to be able to build a beautiful community. I also want to protect our residents who are going to be spending 800,000 to a million plus and it doesn't matter if they're willing if they're going to spend $150,000. They want the privacy as well. They want the buffering as well. One of the challenges on this side of the road is the topography. Being a company that originated from Pennsylvania, the only thing we know how to do is build homes on basement. There's a lot of builders in this market that do not want to build on basement. If there's one thing that we have perfected, it is basement foundations. You will see in this illustration here that the grade of our yards have drastically changed from the pri from the previous time that we met in March. This is an actual illustration

showing an actual depth of our home with the actual depth of our yard preserving what is going to be within the 10 ft on our property over and above the 10 ft that is on the Rosemont property. And any areas that are scarce, we are committing on record to come in and actually force those areas. It's not just for the privacy of our residents, but it's also for the privacy of the folks that live in Rosemont. We're not required to do it. We just think it's the right thing to do. Here's an example of a home on a basement. If this home was on a slab on grade, yes, there would absolutely be challenges with the grading. And yes, we would have we would have some serious challenges with with drainage, with water runoff, etc. We have earmarked every home site for a certain foundation. And a good bit of the foundations on this side of the road are earmarked to have basement foundations to provide not only that grading challenge to be just completely minimized. But we also want to give folks the opportunity to have flat backyards that want to do outdoor living spaces that also want to put in swimming pools, tot lots for their children, etc. So, this is as much about doing what's right in grading, but also appealing to folks that expect to have that type of backyard. Let's move into impact on public services and schools. You've heard us throughout the night. It's been it's been a theme, and I'm not here to just simply state data because I understand that one more home does put potentially one more car on the road. It does potentially put one more student in the classroom. But I do want to base these presentations and this slide off of facts, not just opinions. These numbers were extracted directly from resources that were provided from the county. We with 44 homes will be contributing almost

$90,000 in impact fees that will go towards public services. I think the other issue that seems to be grabbing more attention to public services is act is actually the impact on schools. Langster County Schools as well as the county hired an outside consulting agency to provide him with a report. This summary table is exactly out of that report. There were some misstatements, some misunderstandings, and some data that I truly think was just opinion, but I'd like to deal in fact. When you have 44 homes, the number of students that will be going to Harrisburg Elementary School and going to the middle school and high school is approximately 16 students. A contribution of over $410,000 for 16 students seems like we are not contributing to the problem that we're trying to help resolve the impact that 16 16 students would have. If you really if you really break this down, K through eight, this is right out of your report, K through eight, that equates to 11.6 students. That's a little over one student per grade. I'm not trying to minimize this by any means, but I do want to I do want to add some factual context to this that is not as severe as folks are making it sound in the crowd this evening. In the high school 9 through 12, same thing. a little over one student per grade. 44 homes equating to 16 students based off the county's data, the school's data, and we're contributing over $400 and some thousand dollars to help offset that impact. I'm going to turn to Chris here. He's going to speak about other improvements we're making that do not just benefit us, that absolutely benefit the county, they benefit Langster County Water and Sewer District, as well as other residents and businesses.

Yeah. Hey, good evening. Chris Hansen, 8600 Fair Green AV in Waxaw, North Carolina. Again, one of the kind of themes and the concerns that come up is just, you know, the infrastructure. Is the infrastructure up to date? Can handle these new developments? And certainly, anytime you have a new development, there are requirements that you, you know, that you need to improve to service your neighborhood. But many of the improvements that we're doing not only service us, but they also service the not only the neighbors on on Silver Run and Rise Lane, but uh as we look at the pump station upgrades we'll be doing service the whole greater area. Um, as part of our development, the water line along Silver Run is is only two and a half inches that that currently exists. And that's not enough to provide enough pressure for fire for fire hydrants and and for fire suppression. So, we were asked by the Lancaster Water and Sewer District. We're upgrading the uh current water line to an 8 inch water line. Um, we're uh improving over 2,000 linear feet of water line to service our neighborhood. I bring up Rise Lane because I'm not sure if you're aware, but also when the county when the county commission is um talking about widening Rise Lane, they've earmarked some dollars to widen that from, I believe, 12 to 18 ft. Part of the concerns as that separate uh as that separate issue was again fire safety down Rise Lane. I spoke with Jeff Ko a couple times about how we may be able to participate um to help offset those costs from the county. Uh there's really hasn't been any answer on where that's going to land. The county is currently soliciting bids for those improvements. However, you know, one of the big factors that cost was extending this water line. Uh, and now because of that, we'll be extending again right to the doorstep of Rise Lane. There'll be enough pressure there. They intend to improve their water line. They're not taking it another 2,000 ft. It's going to be right at the intersection. Um, before I hit the next one here. All right. Go back there. Hold on. So, one of the other improvements that we'll be making is to the the uh recently installed Calvin Hall pump station. This was kind of unique because uh we actually we had full approval from our sketch plan from the Lancaster Water

Sewer District uh earlier last year. Once our plan was, you know, uh both denied and we deferred it when we resubmitted our plat. They came back and did not did not approve our sketch plan. And come to find out, when they went to make the improvements to the pump station, they were they went over budget. they weren't able to complete the improvements which included uh oversizing the force man from 8 in to a 12-in force man. So Lancaster Water Sewer District said it's actually part of our budget. We'll be doing it in the future. Um you can you can wait or you can participate and we chose to participate. So we will you know for the county we'll be upgrading that force main line again um probably to tune million dollars will be our contribution. That doesn't that doesn't service our neighborhood. services that entire area um and helps again improve that infrastructure for the uh for the entire area. bill, right?

So, to recap, what are we doing to go above and beyond our our obligations and our requirements? just from a financial contribution, over a million dollars in contributions broken down between public service impact fees, school impact fees, upgrading the 8 in water line to service, as Chris said, the entire area, not just ourselves, and the off-site Calvin Hall pump station, which was an unexpected cost that we did not anticipate, which really does not benefit us, but benefits a lot of others uh in the area, but more than willing to do it. We're not here, as I said, just to to slide in, just do the bare minimum for 44 homes, an infrastructure cost of over a million dollars for 44 homes. I would hope uh that's recognized that we're doing everything that we can to be a good neighbor and be a good steward to the county. Okay. Impact on the traffic and vehicles cutting through the Rosemont community. This has absolutely been a concern. I think it's been a concern for years. Uh, Rosemont is in a fabulous location. Uh, previous employer that I used to work for, we were one of the builders in this neighborhood. It was a very popular neighborhood. When you're flagged with restaurants and breweries and office buildings at the front, it's going to drive other traffic, especially on a public road. When you break down, and we were not required to do a TIA here, and I'll speak to that in a second. Regardless, I'm not using that as an excuse. We did take the liberty and hire a traffic consultant to see what is the impact of 44 homes. What that equates to is roughly 35 trips in the morning and 46 trips in the PM. I believe AM is qualified to be from 7:00 am to 9:00 am and the afternoon PM peak is from 4:00 to 6 o'clock pm. What that equates to is roughly one car in the morning every 1.7 minutes and one car every 1.3 minutes in the PM. Like I said, based on these

established guidelines and thresholds, the traffic in anticipated from a community of 44 homes does not meet the criteria that would require a formal traffic impact analysis. This indicates that the existing roadway infrastructure is expected to accommodate the additional vehicle trips without significant congestion or safety concerns. I get it. We heard it tonight. There's a lot of traffic in Indian Land. There's a lot of traffic on 521. When you have big businesses coming in like Costco and Targets and Lowe's and things of that nature, it's going to drive these businesses to produce more traffic. But those businesses have to thrive based off the rooftops in this area to support that. Regardless, I'm going to go back. I'm going to take my builder hat off. I'm going to take my developer hat off and I'll put my dad hat on. I dealt with this issue in my own neighborhood. I'll give you my personal address and you can see that we dealt with this when I was on the board. We tried every single thing from adding more signage, from putting in speed bumps, from having folks that on neighborhood watch. What it came down to is we had to engage the county police to assist us with that. Here's what I'm proposing, and this is one of the conversations that I've had with a couple residents in the Rosemont neighborhood. In fact, I even met and spoke with Lieutenant Craig from the sheriff's office, and I said, "Here's the issue." And he was aware of it. I said, 'What do you suggest?' He said, 'You have to police it.' I said, 'I understand that you have been policing it. You have to police it more. I said, 'I understand that, but it comes at a cost. He goes, it does. Our police officer are available very candidly in blocks of three-hour increments for $50 an hour. So, you want to have folks sit there in the morning and have folks sit there in night. And it resonated with me because it's exactly what we did on my own personal neighborhood. And it absolutely had the biggest impact on folks

speeding, going through stop signs, and cutting through our neighborhood. In fact, this is not meant to be comical. Most of the folks who got pulled over in our neighborhood were actually my neighbors. Were actually my neighbors. In fact, I'm embarrassed to say this on record. I hope she's not watching. One of them was actually my wife. Okay? So, this is very personal to me. But that is how you're able to get folks to slow down, think about turning through Rose, Monafe, and know there's going to be potentially a police officer there watching them, and over time, they're going to realize that maybe this is not the best place to cut through. None of us can control what people do. Um, but when there's a police officer sitting at an intersection at peak times, and the studies show it, because Rosemont actually had the study done on when their most critical times are, there is an opportunity to help fix that. And it's not just lip service from us. We're willing to make a financial donation, and I mentioned this to the lieutenant on behalf of the Rosemont community of thousands and thousands of dollars to help them with this issue. I don't know of how many other neighborhoods, developers, employers in the county that'd be willing to spend $10,000 contribution that would go to buy a block of hours privately spent to be able to have Langster County sit there for whatever periods of time to at least kickstart the neighborhood so that we try to mitigate the traffic concerns. We can't do and can't control what people do doing stupid things. Candidly, we just can't. If someone's going to speed 70 miles an hour, they're going to do it, but they might think twice about it if they know there's a police officer sitting there cutting through that neighborhood. So, we're committed to that. So, to recap, and and the theme tonight was listen, we have traffic concerns. We have constraints on public services. We have constraints on on the school districts. I'm I'm not here to disagree with any of that. in popular areas where

everybody wants to live. That brings a lot of benefits, but absolutely brings challenges as well. But we're also here to show that we're willing to help with that and work together with the county, with all the departments within the county, and certainly work with all the residents that have joined our 44 lot neighborhood here. So, as a recap, the commitment we're making is we have realigned the entrance for improved access and traffic flow. We have relocated the park area for safer community use. We've adjusted degrading and addressed drainage concerns for the folks that we back up to in the Rosemont community. We've implemented a 10-ft buffer consistent with Rosemont. We're enhancing home values with anticip anticipated pricing exceeding $900,000, thus helping the values in this area. We're committing over $500,000 to offset the school and public service impacts. And we're doing more once I get there.

Yes. Thank you. We're also investing $250,000 in unexpected off-site pump station improvements, which really does not benefit us, but benefits everyone else. And when you're spending $250,000 here and $300,000 on a water line, that allows the county to take those and in and Langster County Water and Sew District to take that bucket of money and spend it somewhere else. They can spend it on the schools. They can spend it on public services, etc. when it's being privately funded by folks like ourselves. We're committed to assisting Rosemont with their traffic hazard concerns. Finally, we have been supported by Langster County Planning staff. We were not initially because we didn't meet all the TRC requirements, but now we have the school. We have not. We have not. But I certainly hope that there's recognition for the contribution we're making for 16 students that will go into the school system here. We have met or exceeded the requirements of the county's UDO and we've been consistent with the Langster County's comprehensive plan. So rather than all of us in this room, the commission, builder developers, the public, folks that may be for us, against us, let's not make this an us versus them. Can we not just work together for achieving responsible growth? So I'm here to answer any of the questions as well as Mason from the engineering team, Chrisman, land development team, and then certainly our attorney that can answer anything in regards to uh anything from a legal perspective. So thank you for your time.

Thank you, sir. Uh, commissioners, do we have any questions? Jason. Um, number one, this is one of the most fantastic presentations that just showed up here in front of us. This is absolutely right. Good work. Thank good work. I I salute you for what you effort you put into this. You really have. Thank you, sir. I was in land development for many, many moons and this is beyond reproach. Thank you.

Um, I'll digress that I am never going to be a fan of that hill. It's It's just like that. I um will stop right there because I do believe that you have gone way up above what you could on it and I think you've answered a lot of our questions. I think you have done an excellent job of responding to what we stated, what the community stated where we have asked for turn lanes or burns or help with the fire district or something. I think you've gone above and beyond with that. So, I only really have one question on it and that is what is it going to take to make sure that we get those things from you.

I think very simply stated, make them make them conditions of our approval. Put it in writing. We're commit I'm sitting here on record today telling you that we are committed to doing every single thing that I presented to you this evening. So if you want to read them into your motion tonight, read those into your motion as conditions of approval. That's how committed we are to it. This is not just lip service by us. Read them as part of your approval. We are committed to it. Thank you, sir. Yes, ma'am.

I agree. It was a wonderful presentation how you went item by item uh to address concerns. I do have concerns about some of the information. um the the study that says um 16 students for 44 homes. I know you're using material from here. Um I don't buy it. I don't know when it was put together. Does anyone know when that information was made available or collected there? Yes. This initial report was done in November of 2021, but carries all the way out to 2030.

Okay. I'm surprised it says 2021 because one of the things indicated on the map was it said proposed high school 2020. So, it seemed to me that the information had to come from before 2020. If the map on there says proposed high school 2020, where are you seeing that? I I apologize. there. One of the slides where you put um the how many kids Sure. household. Okay. Um that one there um new high school opening 2020. So the material had to come from before. So those were coming from two different resources just to clarify.

Okay. On the left hand side was extracted from your impact fee study. The other side was extracted from the Tishler Bice report. So those are not coming from exactly the same two different re they're from two different resources. Okay. So I can see the why it looks to be misleading. But I do have a copy of the Tishler Bice report right here that is dated November 24th of 2021. I'm more than glad to put into record here.

I I believe you have what you have. I just find it hard to believe because I just sat here and went the 10 houses around me and four of them are inhabited by childless couples like myself. I've grown children. The other 10 houses account for 16 children. OB, oddly enough, so I know it's anecdotal, but I find it impossible to believe. Um, I believe you. You know what I'm saying? I to comprehend that 44 homes would have 11 children in school. Um, there's nothing you can do about that. But I'm just saying I

sure when I have 16 in six houses around me um the policing for the neighborhood the um contribution it's wonderful that you thought of this you talked to people and policing um $10,000 at three hours in the morning and three hours in the evening would last for five weeks. Once the five weeks are done, it's going to go right back to people speeding through. As long as they know the cops are Go ahead. You're dying to talk to No, I I am. Um and it's not the debate. No, no, it's not. Absolutely. My math looks a little bit different. Okay.

If you take the $10,000, I actually think it's 33 weeks if you take So, if you take the $300 a week Oh, $300 a day. Um it's $50 per hour, right? And you said three hours in the morning and three hours in the evening. So a contribution $10,000 to get started I believe would carry a lot further than a few weeks. Uh 7* 3 is 2100 and then 5 time 2100 is a little over 10,000. So I get 10 weeks. What okay what I would five weeks I'm sorry. What I would piggy back on because we had it own challenge in my neighborhood is we budgeted for it in our HOA dues

and and But folks, we all want our cake and our ice cream. We heard earlier that the school bond was voted down, but yet we complain about schools. The road bond was voted down, but we complain about roads.

Langster Countyy's taxes are pretty inexpensive. A lot of folks move here because of all the benefits, but certainly because of the taxes. So we we sit here and we hate to use the word complain about schools and about roads, but when it's time to really put up or shut up, we just kind of shut up and save our money. So with that being said, in my own neighborhood, we made sacrifices. We said, what's more important? Is it the Halloween party or the Christmas party or is it children's safety? And we built that into our budget and everyone was on board with that. Are you saying that Rosemont should build it into their HOA when your neighborhood is willing to take care?

I I have I have no authority to tell Rosemont what to do, right? All I'm saying as a neighborhood that doesn't have to do anything for Rosemont, we want to be a good neighbor and to get them started. We're more than willing to contribute $10,000 directly to the sheriff's department that would buy them a block of hours to then be associated with Rosemont. If they find that to be effective like we did in our neighborhood, then if that is their biggest concern in a neighborhood of 300 plus homes, when you really break that down, if you that is your real concern, then spend the money where your real concern is that and not on such things like Christmas parties and other things that may not have as much importance. That's all. I I'll just finish up by saying they shouldn't have to decide between a Halloween party and trafficking uh policing roads that have traffic from 44 houses that are coming in uh and and they have to pay for the policing.

I I I respect that. That like that's not a debate. That's just I respect it. Okay, ma'am.

Thank you. Um, Mr. Chairwell, um, I appreciate your presentation. I I don't know since I've been on this commission that we've had anyone quite as prepared, especially coming back, um, and addressing every single comment that we had. So, I I really appreciate the time and effort that you all put into that. Um, it is noted and appreciated. um this is my district and my kids go to these schools. They are beyond capacity. I also question um those findings on the school data that Miss Lou had. Um I agree also with everything that Mr. Cavalier said. The the topo is is questionable. All of the same, you know, comments. Um you you've you've put us in a in a hard spot. It this is this is hard. Um because on one hand our infrastructure it's not ready and that's not that's not y'all's fault. We we understand that. Um but we also have the responsibility on this commission um to think about those coming here and the folks that are already here. So I just wanted to be on record saying that. I appreciate y'all. It's very good. Thank you.

Anyone else? Um, I'm also with Commissioner Cavalier. I as a civil engineer, I just don't like that hill. Um, and I understand like everyone's blown away by your presentation. Very on point. I did have one question. Have you taken into consideration the slope on that hill? Um, and this was just a thought that I had. Um, what effect is it going to have on fire trucks? like is it so steep, so steep that you know when they go to open that door, are you going to risk that door closing back on them? Great question and we did see a comment in regards to the staff report that came back and Chris Mason if you guys want to address that which has already been addressed. Okay.

Yeah, I I did see that both for your work session is the staff report and Mason can speak to specifically to the grades but the the chief of uh the of the fire department did not see a problem with the slope. Okay. As it relates to fire and safety. Yeah, I just, you know, don't the last thing we want to see is a firefighter get hurt because a door slammed on him or something. So, absolutely. That was that was my question was was that addressed and and spoken to and it looks like y'all done that.

Yes, ma'am. um to to clarify that um per your request at the workshop, Matthew reached out to our fire marshall as well as the public works director and as of about 3:00 today, I hadn't had we hadn't had an official word from the public works director about that, but the fire marshall had responded that he had reviewed it and he had seen no issues with elevation.

I said that was just, you know, you see a fire truck like this, want to make sure there's not an issue there. That was my and I had actually I had a whole bunch of other questions and I've you've answered most of them and I've marked them off. That was the only one that your presentation didn't didn't answer all my questions from the review session. So, do we have any other questions or concerns? Thank you, gentlemen. Now, we will consider ourselves into public hearing. And I believe there were a few people that wanted to speak that did not get signed up for this one. Y will come up here and sign in here. Okay.

Yes. Oh no, I'll throw everything in the floor. Okay, so that was take you off then. Ben, thank you.

All right. Um, so we have a lot of email comments on this one. Typically what Sherry does for who's the clerk to council will read off and say this is from X and it is in opposition or

approval of this item. if there's anything specific that you want to address that um is your purview. However, this is these are included in the backup documents that's available online. Okay. Um, so this one starts with one. We're on Silverton, right? Ryan D. Ah, there we go. We have Oh, made a copy. That was really quick. Thank you. All right. So, I'm gonna start off with the um these you said read off each one of these emails who they're from and whether they were for or against. All right. So, I have an email here from Brian Dentramont and he is against. I have one from Peter Manfrey. He is strongly opposed. I have one here from sometimes it's trying to find the names on it. Jimmy Hood. They are opposed. I have Alice Lee opposed.

I have Oops. Did I Sorry, I apologize. We get the Howard Lee. So, all right. That gets through I missed the Howard properties up there. Um that is different from Silver. Okay. So, that gets us through all of the Silverton comments. Um, so, um, Brian Griffin sent an email. Is he here?

Okay, thank you. And then that we'll put next um, Angela Davis. Please state your name and address for the record. Angela Davis, 4016 Grove Park Lane. This one is actually especially close to me. I do live in Rosemont. Um, first thing I want to say is that was such a great start on how developers should be coming is what can we give you the county. So, I do appreciate that. Um, I live in Rosemont. I never got a letter. They said they put 50 to 60 out, never got it. Um, they are saying 16 students equals 410,000 and some change. It cost $1 million for an eight classroom mobile and we already have one of those at Harrisburg and we have another one at the uh intermediate school and hopefully more to come so we're not in the uh Harrisburg situation where guess what there's no teachers lounge. You know why there's no teachers lounge? Because it had to be actually used for a classroom. Ask Miss Dalton. Uh the 90,000 impact fees. Who's paying that? Is the developer going to do a match program? No, those are going to be the people buying the homes. So, yes, it is coming, but it's only once it actually sells. We can't use it right now. Um, something to consider, too, in this price range for a home, you can come through Rosemont and go into the neighborhood, or you can use the other way, which is Silver Run and Cyclone Drive, which actually has four mobile homes on it where people live. They're fabulous neighbors. I've gotten to know them. But if you're living in a $1 million house, that may not be the type of entrance you want. Making a financial donation of$10,000. I

agree with you. It didn't add up um with actually what we would get. We did actually have a child get hit by a car in our neighborhood and we are all as parents very concerned about that. We have two speed bumps and we have flashing signs and yet people are still flying through there. I like that he is committed to assisting, but there's no written contract or documentation. So, it's nice to say, "Yes, I want to help and yes, I want to work with, but what are we actually doing to hold them accountable?" It'll be a yes for now. Let somebody else deal with it later. And as far as the bonds, he did say he lives in Lancaster. He should know why the bonds didn't pass. They're very expensive for those people that are on a fixed income. We deal with Lancaster County. We are here from north to south, east to west. We have suburban, urban, rural, we have so many different people. We're not guaranteed a bond. As much as we I my family would say yes, we'll support the roads and we'll support the schools. You have to get a whole county invested in that. And that's not a guarantee right now. Thank you.

Kellen Threat. Name and address, please. Hi, my name is Kellen 3 and I live at 11:07 East Ferris in Lancaster. Good evening, members of the commission and members of the community. My name is Kellen 3 and I'm here tonight representing Mr. and Mrs. Griffin who are the land owners of the property. They had hoped to be able to stand here and speak to you directly, but this process has become so emotional for them that they asked me to speak on their behalf. What was supposed to be a positive and exciting opportunity, the chance to sell their land for its value and secure their retirement has instead become a stressful and overwhelming experience. What should have been a blessing has felt more like a burden and it's taken a toll on them. That is why I'm here tonight to be the voice, their voice in this process. This land is more than just property to the Griffins. It represents their future and their retirement. Selling it is not simply a business transaction. It is how they will be able to move forward in this next chapter of their lives. They have done everything asked of them, complied with every ordinance, invested in professional planning, and honored every requirement in good faith. What they are asking for is not special treatment, but equal treatment under the same standards that other land owners in Langster County have received. South Carolina's comprehensive planning act reads, "The planning commission shall approve the plan if it complies with all ordinances and regulations adopted pursuant to this chapter. South Carolina law is very clear. When a development pro proposal meets all ordinances and regulations, the planning commission is required to approve it." That obligation exists to protect fairness and consistency in decisions like this. Other property owners have been given the opportunity to sell their land for its full value under these same rules.

To deny my clients the same opportunity would not only reduce the rightful value of their property, but it would unfairly jeopardize their retirement security after a lifetime lifetime of hard work. This is not about personal opinions on growth or whether someone likes or dislikes development. It's about following the law, respecting property rights, and applying the same fair standards for all land owners. On behalf of the Griffins, I respectfully ask that you approve this proposal. To do otherwise would not only harm them in a deeply personal way, but it would also undermine the fairness and consistency that the people of Lancaster County expect from this process. Thank you for your time and allowing me to speak on their behalf.

Thank you, ma'am. Barbara Scanel Barbara Canel 8016 Carolina Lakes Way in Indianland. I would just like to address a couple things. First of I do appreciate the effort that this applicant has put in, but I do have some questions still. Um, one I'd like to clarify it is not opinion with the numbers that were provided to the planning commission as far as the actual enrollment this year. That was obtained from the school representative, Mr. Rodney Graves. Mr. Rodney Graves, I'm sorry, I'm tired. I'm not making sense. Um yesterday afternoon he emailed me the enrollment for those schools not from 2021 projections because that's what it was. It was a projections based on the current development and projected growth. These are actual enrollment numbers today. So I'd like to clarify that for the applicant. Second thing is we heard a lot about cutting traffic cutting through Rosemont development. I personally don't know the area. I've been to Miss Davis house once. I will clarify that. Um, but they didn't talk about where the main entrance was to the community if it wasn't Rosemont. My question is, are there right turn lanes? Are there left turn lanes? Because the previous act um applicant just said, "Well, I'm only to put in one one turn lane in." Well, I can tell you from Sun City where we live, the back end is Van W. There is no traffic signal or stop signs or left turn lanes or right turn lanes into Sun City from there. And I can tell you from experience, I myself have almost gotten rear ended or hit from not having those two things. So I

would recommend to all developments that they look at right turn lanes in and left turn lanes in. They are correct. The requirements for the DOT are minimum. If the county of Lancaster would invest in a countywide traffic requirements and include it in the UDO, then those requirements would be honored by the DOT. And how do I know this? Because I reached out to the state DOT. So, you know, we're not trying to say we don't want any development. We are just concerned because we know where we're at right now. The fire department has two fire stations. I personally have seen fire trucks from farther south coming up as far north as the areas where you are talking about. Same thing with EMS. We don't have enough units of either one and we don't know when we're going to get more. So those are the concerns. Appreciate what everyone is doing, but those are the things that have to be addressed long term. And it's it's you know maybe the developer would be number one be willing the um the houses across the street look like they were in bigger lots. Maybe he could reduce the number of units and put those big expensive houses on bigger lots and that may help as well. So thank you for your time and I'll see you at the next one.

Thank you ma'am. Cheryl Hanhart Beck. She left. Okay. Kevin Gribbon. Okay. Susie Procher. Madame Chairman and members of the planning commission. Name and address for the record, please. Susan Procher, 2290 Hartwell Lane, Indian Land. I I declined to speak on this one. didn't mean to sign up to speak on this particular issue. Okay.

All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you,

Robert Burke. Robert Burke, 11:01 Tanner Crossing Lane in Rosemont, member of the HOA board. I'm here to read a uh note from Brian Griffin uh that he sent to the board, but I or the planning commission, but I don't know if you guys got it or not. Anyways, my name is Brian Anthony Griffin and I have lived 603 Silver Run Road my entire life. I am the sole owner of that property and I have no ownership interest in the tract under review. Contrary to my siblings wishes, I strongly oppose this development and cannot sit back and remain quiet. Looking out for my best interest, I wonder why there is no buffer around my home. Why do the plans not show a six-foot privacy fence along my property as is proposed for the Rosemont neighborhood? I do not live in a million-doll home, and this proposed development will be right on top of my house and property. Why are the developers proposing a stub road ending at my property line that could go directly into my property? Is my family going to continue to pressure me to sell now or in the future so the additional property can be included and even more homes added? In addition to the loss of tree canopy, the destruction of wildlife habitat, land erosion, increasing traffic, school space challenges, and local infrastructure burdens, I appeal to you personally as a lifelong resident of this property and the Indian land community. This development is wrong for

all the existing nearby residents, but it obviously creates an exceptional hardship for me. Therefore, I ask that you stop this or any similarly proposed development. Thank you, Brian Griffin. Also, um I'm responsible for the managing the speed sign that we have in the neighborhood. It records the number of uh uh vehicles through the uh neighborhood. Uh we run around 10,000 cars in and 10,000 cars out of the neighborhood every month. This looks like we might see another 2,000 or 10% more traffic. Uh just as a an aside. And yes, they did a nice job on their presentation, I have to admit. a decent job. Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Jill Randolph. Hello, Jill Randolph. 2069 Dixon Lane in Indianland. And I am work for the world's largest water pump and water technology company. And I'm also a recent former vice chair of the Kataba Riverkeeper. And so, um, I'm not sure if everyone is aware, but you know, like this is a great area weatherwise, job-wise. 180 people move to the greater Charlotte area every single day. That's a lot. And that's a big tax on our water systems. So, um I would say probably in the South Carolina area it's probably more because as people know uh the taxes are thankfully cheaper in South Carolina. But along with that, you know, then um there's less money for infrastructure. So, speaking from that perspective, the largest environmental threat in our area is flash floods because of imperous surfaces. So, meaning driveways, meaning roads, meaning roofs. And if we're talking about additional development, that increases exponentially the risk for flash floods. And whenever you see the rain or you turn on the news, then you see that there are flash floods and different areas, especially um around us, around Charlotte, etc., where they're recommending that people don't drive through those areas. Um, so specific to our neighborhood, I walk my dog at least twice a day. He's very hyper. And so we see a lot of mud regularly running down the streets, especially with heavier rains. And so we

are downhill from the area that they're proposing to develop. And so that could exponentially get worse. Also, um, Rose Glenn Town Homes went in, uh, off of 160. And then the Lodges, apartments went in also off of 160. And they both said, "Oh, these are going to be town homes for sale, and these are going to be, you know, the uh, lodges also town homes for sale." And they're like, "Oops, they're going to be for rent." So, who's to say, no disrespect, but who's to say that things couldn't change where they're like, "Oh, yeah, we're also going to add in apartments, which could increase the property density, or oh yeah, we're also going to develop the park, which could also increase population density and those impervious surfaces." So, um, let's see. Um, with the impervious surfaces, of course, comes like all the pollutants that go downstream. Clem's branch runs alongside of the development that we're talking about and also our development and that feeds into Sugar Creek which is a major tributary to the Kataba River. We're downstream from Charlotte. They've already asked for um an additional $ 32 million or 32 million gallons of water per day to feed Charlotte. So, we're downstream. We're already getting bad water and it's just going to get worse. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. Rod Alvarado,

Madam Chair, Commissioners, I just need to distribute something real quick. Sir, can you speak into the microphone?

I apologize. Good evening, Madame Chair, commissioners. I just need to distribute some handouts real quick. I'm Rod Vado at 2069 Vixon Lane, Indianland, South Carolina. Also, Rosemont did not receive a letter from the builder. Thank you for the presentation. It was very nice. When we uh initially purchased this property in 2019 following the 2016 rules for MDR, that would not be um any other second access unless they had more than 10 homes that were put on onto a property which this current plan has 44 homes. According to section 64 6.4.1 of 20231840 of the UDO, uh this update has slashed that access threshold from 10 to five homes. The county now recognizes the risk even at lower density uh on the MDR. As far as emermergency access risk, we have one in grass, not more because the stub road that is proposed, it goes through Mr. Brian Griffin's land where he said that he's not going to sell it. So following that rule, we already being defeated by the by what the UDO says and also saying u that we have very narrow narrow roads and curvy roads like you have witnesses before and that's a emergency nightmare. Um also also the developer has previously review his intent when he said our business is to pack as many people as possible and you can review that on the record of the last meeting that we had. And obviously safety plays a second fiddle and we have seen that he had constantly said where we we we take a look at it later. I love the presentation that was done. However, we are on a hearsay promise. There is nothing on paper and also we're going on a density technicality where broad streets bush is 2.5 units per acre masking where the actual impact is four

units per acre via the tiny lots that they have. So technically Dodge not compliance. uh we have expecting to charge $800,000 to a million per dwelling while the larger homes within the larger lots at around $521,000 have been sitting on Rosemont have been sitting on the market because they can't sell and you expect to sell that. Also on Silver Mine we have a one acre of land with unfortunately a double wide it has $199,000 also across the street one of two acres of $299,000. So it defeats the two or three previously rejected MDR regulations due to affordability. Miss Lou I remember you clearly saying that going on the second part when we're talking about the UDO requirements of codac geometry rotation pond that we have at the end of the codac kind of top of bulbs fails the spec uh update safe ser uh safety standards of 2023 amendments demand uh the compliant radii uh right of access and future sub access design which appears to not be compliant. other codes uh in in different subdivisions and in different states show that codex has to be a thousand feet and more uh not more than the 20 homes to serve the codac we're serving 44 and now with the second added culde-sac um also we already talk about first responder risk the redesign should be required if this is not compliant also with uh EPA and FWS has broad street homes file any of the surveys to see if the the presence of the endangered Carolina hill spplitter at clims branch. We had a project that was halted in 521 because of that and considering the critical habitat I think we should not rubber stamp this development to go further. Thank you for your time.

Thank you sir. John Venus.

My name is John Venus. Uh, I live at 2093 Vixen Lane in the culdesac adjacent to the proposed development in Rosemont um in Indianland, South Carolina. I came today to express my concerns about the planned homes to be built behind my property and share some of my observations about a meeting offered by the people at Broad Street Homes. You have already heard from others about the many concerns voiced in March and again today. I share all these concerns. That is why my wife and I chose to attend a meeting offered at Broadreet's office in Red Ventures. Both gentlemen were very pleasant, eager to discuss their plans. It did come across as a bit of a sales pitch, but given the circumstances, I understand that they wanted us to be comfortable with the look of this new proposed neighborhood so close to us. Now, to have homes supposedly valued at 800,000 to $1 million on small, less than a quarter acre lots. They weren't looking for our blessing, but maybe to get for us to give less push back. I came away with the feeling that I was being told that this was going to happen. The only question was when they said they were addressing all the concerns brought up at the first planning meeting and again trying to accommodate everyone without having to go through legal maneuvers, but there are issues that they cannot fix. I specifically asked about the cutthrough issues we already faced. They said 44 homes with potentially 88 more cars does mean more cut through traffic for us, but in their words, it's not that much. um by their own numbers um the cut through traffic would probably increase 10 to 15%. Already at almost 20,000 cars and trucks per month and for the construction phase I don't see the massive trucks needed for delivery of heavy equipment or materials negotiating the S-curves on Silver Run which leads to that traffic coming through Rosemont with more cutthroughs and ultimately the county paying for the road repairs due to the heavy equipment. The gentleman did say that the state maintains possession and control of that section of Silver Run, so it's out of their hands. I asked about the school capacity

issues. We were told that it's not up to them, but the school could get trailers for additional classrooms. Uh, since trailers typically don't have plumbing, these 5 to 9year-old children at Harrisburg Elementary will have to go outside in all kinds of weather to get to a restroom every day. The trailers are rented by the school district. As you already heard, they're adding to the county expense to their project. There will be more car congestion at school with more drop offs and pickups. At the end of our meeting, I came I truly came away with the feeling that our issues were being poo pooed or minimized. I understand that business is business, but I questioned the sincerity of Broad Street's concern regarding these issues and building a safe and cohesive community. Uh please let common sense be the guiding principle in your decision today. Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Mark Taylor. My name is Mark Taylor. I live at 2063 Clover Hill Road in the Rosemont development. Um, tonight I'm here to express some concerns uh about Broad Street Homes and want to focus on the developers specifically led by Brian Yangma. A developer's reputation matters because once the houses go up in whatever community they go up in, it's the community that community that lives with results long after the builder is gone. There are three major concerns I have with Broad Street. First, financial reliability. In April 2024, a lawsuit was filed against Broad Street Homes for non-payment to a subcontractor. And if a builder doesn't pay those who help complete the work, how can we trust him or them to manage a project of this size responsibly? Second, construction practices. Broad Street markets homes built with steel panels supplied by Synergy Steel, a sister company to Broad Street. And that means the builder is not only developing these homes, but also profiting by selling these his own building materials. This creates a conflict of interest where cost savings and profit may take priority over quality and community standards. The third point is priorities. Broad Street has a pattern of placing high-priced homes on very small lots. This maximizes profit for the developer but diminishes privacy, increases traffic burdens, and disrupts the established character of existing neighborhoods. My concern isn't about stopping growth.

It's about choosing responsible developers who are financially sound, proven, and accountable to the community. Based on his track record and business model, Mr. Yagma and Broad Street Homes does not meet that standard. I urge the commission to consider these facts carefully before approving this project. Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. Mr. Kirk Reid.

My name is Kirk Reid. I live at 1445 Rosemont Drive in Rosemont. Um close to five hours ago, somebody mentioned something about Starbucks. That'd probably be a good idea right now. Um I thank you for having us here. Um I've been in Rosemont since 2009, so I'm one of the OGs there. and um what's changed since our meeting back in uh April uh with the Broad Street folks that when they talked about uh the goal of maximizing their space uh the concerns that we offered up weren't really a problem. They would kind of figure it out as they went and then uh traffic they hadn't performed any kind of study and then students they mentioned trailers and then they didn't have any price points to share and it was subsequently denied. So what's changed? Yes. Excellent. excellent proposal and I would kudos to them. I would also like to say that I am the president of the Rosemont Owners Association and we have Rosemont property that borders that property and we did not receive any kind of notification be at the first meeting, be it at this meeting or the meeting with the builders. I had to find out from Rosemont residents what was going on. So, they haven't reached out to the community to talk like they talk about. Um they talked about uh basement foundations when they did the lodges next to us and they opened up over 200 apartments funneling in. They had to blast rocks. So now you're going to be possibly you're talking about construction blasting rocks in the area communities. One of my neighbors just built a brand new home. It's looking out over I mean a brand new pool looking out over that and there's a possibility that people are going be blasting rocks open in that. So uh I do have a lot of concerns about that. Um and you know the border uh we have uh in our area fences that we have to have that be approved. We don't know what those fences are going to look like. We can't have composite fences. That fence is going to run all the way along the property. We

don't look at what's what it's going to look like where it's going to be look and it's on top of a hill. And then lastly, we realize that there's a difference between developmental freedom and the existing community and the impact to the existing community of Rosemont and and consequently also Mr. Brian Griffin who Bob shared his email. Whether it's affordable housing, the hundreds or thousands of new apartments in our area going up, or the kids in a million-dollar homes, we have an obligation to stop and make informed decisions protecting our community and the next or the now generation right now. I applaud you for looking forward. I respectfully ask that you again move to deny this proposed development SD 202 241745 Silverton of 448 800 to a million dollar homes on 25 acres. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Um we have a commissioner that needs to leave. So could she just get up and leave? Okay. I got to go get my baby.

Give her just a second to get out of here. Sure. the Entrammont Brian Dentramont 10887 uh Rise Lane. Uh all the concerns from above. Uh I think what it comes down to is impact impact impact plus all the other concerns. Uh one of you on the last meeting said you know sooner or later we got to say no and you did that night and I applauded you for it. Uh not much has changed. They've thrown some money. Beautiful presentation. Yes. Impact hasn't changed. They didn't come back from 44 houses to 20 houses on halfacre lots and less impact that way. That was the main way you could stop or slow down impact. Less houses, less people. Uh, but they didn't come back with that. Uh, that's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Jim Mascus.

Hi. Jim Mascus, 2253 L Valley Drive in Indian Land. My wife Karen, she can't speak. She's got a some issues with her vocal cords. Just like to say that uh we live in uh the Bratana subdivision off of Barberville Road. And uh we've experienced over the last four years some nice homes going in, some beautiful homes that are really enhanced our neighborhood done by Broad Street. And uh when I was asked to come tonight to talk about uh the expansion here, I uh just would like to say that they did a wonderful job. Beautiful homes enhanced our community and sitting here tonight listening all the presentations. It's the only presentation that anybody talked about making an investment in the infrastructure. Okay, we've always talked tonight about we can't do this, we can't do that, we're growing too much, we can't afford things. It's the only presentation I heard tonight that someone actually stood up. So maybe there's a there's an opportunity to work here and resolve some of the issues that have been brought up tonight and and move this project forward. So thanks for your time.

Thank you, sir. Justin Anderson

Justin Anderson 2094 Vixen Lane, Indian Land, South Carolina 29707. Uh it's been a long night, so I'm sure you're a little tired of the rinse and repeat, right? So I'll spare you a little bit. My property backs up, it's actually on the top of Vixon Lane. it backs up to the the tree line that we're talking about. So, just a little context when we talk about buffers, I want to paint a picture for you. If I walk one foot into that tree line, there may not be a tree for 30, 40, 50, 60 feet. It is completely open in there. So, don't be fooled by a 10 foot buffer or 20 foot buffer seeming like it's all this all these trees that are built up. Right? When we purchased our home, you can imagine in a culdeac backing up to a tree line. How does this impact me financially? Because we're talking about how it impacts everybody else financially. I put over $100,000 into my backyard. That's not an overestimate, right? That's fencing. That's a pool to create an environment in my backyard to to add to the value of the home. So, when we talk about backing up too with a 10-ft buffer, there really is just open space, even though the the tree line would make you think differently. That's not providing any value, excuse me, any value to my home, right? If anything, I'm going to have these neighbors that are looking down on my property because they sit uphill. They're going to be looking directly down into my backyard. No more privacy. all the privacy is eliminated. So, I just want to hit on that point. And then I think uh you should have a video clip that's been circulated. I sent that to Sher Simpson. She said she would make sure that the clerk got it and you would see it. Basically, what that video clip is, it shows we're we're painting

pictures. We're looking at topology maps. That's a a recording of what the water flow really looks like. You can look at that video clip. That is the side of my yard. When you look into the tree line there, you can see many rivers created when there's significant rainfall over a period of time. And all of that dumps into my yard, funnels down my driveway and into the street. So, it's so significant that we get debris flooding through there. So when we hit when we talk about topology and hey we're going to solve this issue and it sounds easily solvable maybe it is but from my perspective I can't personally see it because I'm experiencing it much differently than it's being portrayed right so I urge you to take a look at that video clip deny approving this quite frankly until there are absolute written guidelines and written commitments to address that and not just the dog and pony show right I don't have to go into what I do for a living, but I never believe in the sales pitch. All right, and that's all I have to say. I urge you to look at that clip and you can see literally that is a significant mount amount of rainfall that we're dealing with. And so I'd love to see what their plans truly are. Thank you,

sir. David Havick.

Good evening. My name is David Havick. 2244 Lori Valley Drive, Indian Land, South Carolina, 297. We are all here because nobody's moving north ever again, right? Uh that is why we're all sitting here. Um Lancaster County is going to grow whether we want to or not. Uh, Commissioner Kuritan said, "Let's grow smart." We've heard tons of proposals tonight on large multifamily, large single family. Here we have a very small infill development. I'd like to see this approved. I do live in the same neighborhood as uh Jim here in Bratana off of uh Barbberville. Broad Street has built numerous homes in our neighborhood. they've supported and increased our property value. Uh they do carry higher value because they are steel construction that does come at a premium. That is something that is unique to our market as a in general in the southeastern region and if it's not commercial development. Uh so I thank you for your time and I'd love to see this approved. Thank you.

Thank you sir. And finally, last but not least, Chris Reid. Chris Reed, uh, 10288 Silver Mine. Um, obviously it's late. I don't want to spend a whole lot of time just reiterating what other people do, but I am in favor of this development. Um, from uh, what I understand, I mean, growth is inevitable in our area. It's a desirable place. People want to be there. Um, also understand that developers have a right to develop is very rarely you get to choose or pick and choose who uh who gets to develop by your property. And I've seen what they put together and the you know um price point of the homes and I just see it as a a benefit you know to me in that area just because uh it's just going to raise the the property values. But uh you know that's all I have to say on that.

Thank you sir. Uh would the applicant like to respond to any of these comments?

Yes. Thank you and thank you to the public. Certainly appreciate the folks that are in favor of it and I certainly respect the comments for the folks that have opposed it. Out of all the comments we heard, 60 to 70% are 100% inaccurate. and I'll go through those to the best of my ability, writing as fast as I could as folks were speaking. This is more than just a sales pitch. It's not a sales pitch at all. I committed, as Commissioner Cavalier said, what confidence and commitment are you willing to make? We're willing to take everything that we have presented and make it a condition of our approval. In addition to that, as we move into the final plat, as we move into construction drawings, all of these requirements are going to be part of that process. So, this is not just lip service to this commission. This is not just lip service to the folks that are sitting in the audience. This will be in writing as part of our plans and in record here. So, I'm I'm a little taken back that this was more than a sales pitch. If we didn't care, we would not have called for two community meetings. If we didn't care, I would not have offered up my cell phone to meet folks on site. Out of the 50 or 60 letters that we sent, of which I have copies right here, I'm more than glad to provide to you. Do you know how many folks actually showed up at our office? We had two couples on July 22nd and two folks on July 23rd. Very few folks showed up that actually backed up to the property. and to state that at the HOA was not informed. We have record to show that it was blasted all over their Facebook page. So, yes. Did we mail letters out to everyone in Rosemont? No, we did not. Did we mail letters out to the folks that were close to our community? Absolutely. And I'll be more than glad to provide their addresses. And very quickly, as you

would experience in most neighborhoods, that made it to the Next Door app and it absolutely made it to the Facebook app. So to say that they were not made aware of that, I I I certainly question that. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. When when you offer a financial contribution of $10,000, it doesn't seem to be a much. That's not to buy someone's endorsement or buy someone's vote. That's to show that we truly do care. The same issues that Rosemont's experiencing, I don't want our own neighborhood to experience that. We're here to work in concert. And this whole mindset of well, it's not good enough. It's not good enough. It's not good enough is unfortunate to hear because we didn't have to offer any of these things and still be potentially approved by right. We've gone way beyond our by-right obligations here. And I don't say those words as a as a heavy stick to say you have to approve us. I think there's the law that'll tell you that you do, but I'm not here to swing swing that bat. I'm here to show you that the investment we're making, not in the 44 homes, it's much greater than that. It's in the entire county. There are some other comments here that I kind of scratch my head. Um, yes, that steel company that was referenced, yes, that's one of the biggest employers in Lanster County. It's because it does build a superior product. Is it a profit-based company? Absolutely. Does it drive up the prices of our homes? Absolutely. So, I don't see that as a negative. And I'll go on record by stating that yes, we did short pay a subcontractor. I won't hide behind that. We short paid a subcontractor because they didn't fulfill their obligation meeting our quality standards. So I'm more than glad to have a sidebar in that regard. So it's really easy to to go to the internet. It's really easy to look at things to post on Google, but most things are opinions. And as my parents would tell me, don't ever believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. This is a perfect example of

that. We talk about, well, what else can we do? We felt like we got off on the right footing by not having a neighborhood that had 62 homes. Let me go, let me state that again. By right, we are allowed 62 homes here. We could have jammed in small lots. We chose not to. We have 44 very tastefully designed lots with the right foundations to mitigate the concerns were brought by others with storm water of which masonary engineer can certainly speak to that. There was a question about fencing. The folks that we did speak to said we're anti-fencing. Looks great when you put it up, but in three years or 5 years or 10 years when no one's maintaining it, it looks pretty bad. And I will agree with the gentleman that said yes, 10 feet is 10 feet. 10 feet in certain areas is very heavily wooded. We have the video to show it. 10 feet in other areas is actually pretty sparse, pretty bare. We are making a commitment in those areas to reforest those areas. Once again, I want my residents that are buying these homes to have as much privacy as the folks back up to them. So, it's a it's a two-edged sword here. Everything that we're doing for the benefit of others also is the benefit of us. I don't want drainage issues in our community. That's that's an issue that we'll have to take care of. There are laws we have to follow. There are engineering specs and requirements that we have to follow. All that has to be approved to maintain our own storm water within our 25 acres. Um, you want to speak to that real quick, Mason? Just add to that.

Mason Greon, 11430 Bloomfield Drive, Charlotte. Um and to address any concerns really I it's it's it gets a little repetitive and a little old when uh people complain about the you know increase in impervious and you know all the development that's going on there. There have been laws and rules and regulations in place for South Carolina, North Carolina across the nation. There are ordinances, storm water ordinances. We have to meet those regulations. We cannot allow any more flow of peak control to leave a site in a developed state than it was as a pre-developed state. We have to meet those requirements and also for some of those streams and mentions you're doing that we're actually protecting those streams that are on our site. We're actually doing that for you know endangered species and those habitats to keep the aquatic life moving in that area and also to meet the requirements of the Army Corps. So there is no concern of storm water runoff. We are regulated to control that storm water on our site and police it or the regulations. Thank you. A couple other points. We talk about impacts and I just want us all to kind of take a step back and look at this logically. We had folks in the audience that speak about how much traffic that they have to wait three or four lights. the calls to be able to get an ambulance to their home or a police car to their neighborhood, etc. Coming out of a neighborhood that has almost 4,000 homes. We're talking about school impacts out of neighborhoods that are 8 to nine times the size of our community. So, I look at that logically and say the impact that is being made by those schools and to those public services is so much greater. doesn't make it any

more right. It's so much greater than what 44 homes is not only bringing as an impact, but we're trying to solve our own impact by the investment we're making, not just for our own selfish benefit for the benefit of the county and the surrounding areas. And that is not a sales pitch. That is something that we're already committed to. And I'll say it again, everything that we committed to tonight in our presentation, feel free to resort it to the minutes in the meeting and absolutely feel free to add it as conditions of our preliminary plat approval. There's a couple other subjects here, but in the spirit of us being here for a very long time, I'm sensing everybody's time. I just hope that more than a sales pitch, we have demonstrated that we are here to go well beyond our 50%. In fact, I think we have done more than any other developer would even contemplate doing for 44 homes in an area that quite honestly is a rougher area at the end of Silver Run Road. Um, I thank you. Uh, more than glad to address any other questions or concerns and I really hope that we have your support tonight.

Thank you, sir. Thank you. That will take us out of um public comment and out of public hearing. So, commissioners, we have before us SD 20241745, Silverton, aka Silver Run. Do I hear a motion? Motion to approve with condition of the statements that they made in their presentation in totality. We can get a read back on that from the minutes later, I believe. But if we can hold the presentation as the submitt, I think that works, Miss Williams.

Yes. Um I would request that the applicant provide that copy of the presentation to us because we don't have that. So that we can do that. Um, we will write all of the conditions per those two slides down and that can be added into the TRC approval comments. Thank you. Second it. Second.

Have a motion and we have a second. Do we have any um discussions or any additional amendments? I do have a question about Mr. Brian Anthony Griffin's property. I did ride that area. I don't know that I understood the stub road and how that's going to affect him, but I'm just I'm concern just making sure that it I don't know.

The UEO requires stubouts for undeveloped land for future development. It's a connectivity requirement. It doesn't mean that there'll be a road there. It doesn't mean that anything will come of that road. It's actually a permanently barricaded stubout road. Should in the future, 2 years, 12 years, 100 years from now, if the UDO doesn't change and that property is developed, that property will be required to to connect to that stubout. If it's never developed, it'll never do anything. comments. I'll add to it.

Go right ahead. Ladies first.

Um, as we've all said, what an amazing presentation. Um, attempts to fix every concern we had. But unfortunately, there are just some things that are out of your hands or out of the uh the developers hands. Uh one is the overcrowded schools in Harrisburg. It's wonderful that it'd be $410,000, but that doesn't do anything for kids who are sitting in trailers on Harrisburg. Um we've heard the EMS issues. Um, I still have the issue with cutting through Rosemont and suggesting that if it's important enough to them, raise their HOA dues and hire police. And I don't know if the developer knows that if you hire Lancaster offduty police and there is an emergency call, they go. You do not absolutely have them because you have um paid for them. And like I said, I appreciate addressing every issue and trying to come up with a solution, but $10,000 to cover five weeks of traffic control. What happens in the sixth week, seventh week, eighth week, if someone gets hurt because someone's cutting through there that wouldn't have been there ordinarily because the houses wouldn't be there. So, it's it's the same concerns, safety and overcrowded schools and EMS and fire, etc. At what point do we say, well, we won't we won't approve a hundred homes, but if we approve them in little groups of 44, we won't notice the impact on our schools or infrastructure.

Yes, sir. I'll double down again on that presentation. That was impressive. I've never seen anything like that come forward in all my years of land development. I think the gentleman came up here and they were swinging for the fences. They have executed every request that we put to them. And it would be embarrassing to be part of a panel who asked for something and then denied it when they get it. I don't find that that type of mentality is going to fit with what we are trying to do. So, for the same reason that you can't complain about schools and then turn down a school bond or you can't complain about roads and turn down a road bond, what are you asking for that all of a sudden you get it and then you get mad about it or you say, "No, I don't want it. Are we a bunch of children up here hoping that it works out?" That's not the way this happens. They've answered all the questions on the UDO and I believe that what they're trying to do should be used at this point as an example for what every other developer who shows up in this room tries to accomplish. We have asked for these things and someone finally answered. Who are we to turn them down?

I I appreciate your enthusiasm, but let's keep on track, please. So, I believe this should pass. I believe that these guys are setting the example for what we have been asking for and I'll reiterate that we asked for this and they have provided. End of story. Any other comments from the board? I would just double down that I don't know what we have gotten as far as school overcrowding and the safety of the Rosemont community and more people for our EMS. all the other issues I understand and they did address these issues but these are not solvable by a developer.

I agree with Miss Lou.

I'll add one more thing to that too. We can't expect a single developer to solve every problem in Lancaster County. It's going to take hundreds of them doing it and we see hundreds of them come through here. It takes more than a single turn lane. It takes more than a burm and it takes more than somebody who thinks they know where water goes. We got some pretty educated people up here on this board who know how to deal with water. It is a problem when you get really get away from you. That is what's happened in Lancaster County over the last 30 years. It has gotten away from them. So, we have somebody who's here ready to answer that question and provide at least something. They didn't show up empty-handed and barking no at us. they have come equipped and I appreciate at least the effort.

Yes, ma'am.

I'd like to to piggy back off of that as well. Um I really honestly when I first saw this plan, it was mortifying. The hills were horrible. Uh the topography is horrendous. Um and the questions that have been asked still don't like the hill, you know, don't like where it's at. And um but as far as everything that's been brought to the table, they have they have every single request that has been asked for has been identified and in my opinion went a little above. Um they're giving back to the community which we need. Um there there are smaller development um and you know it said it was said earlier some of the larger developments uh are not giving back. They came in strong. Uh they came in with a solution and I would love to see that for the rest of anybody else who comes in with development plans. So we have before us a motion on SD 20241745 Silverton aka Silver Run uh with an amendment to include the two pages of items in their presentation as additional conditions to approvement uh to um approval of this preliminary plat. Can we do a roll call vote? Um, Madam Chairman, just on the money to uh the $10,000, I not that I don't trust our sheriff's department to use it in the way that it's indicated, but could it be the $10,000 working with Rosemont and the sheriff's department? So, it definitely is applied to their neighborhood. If it's my understanding that money will

be used to hire an offduty deputy to be in that area. So basically that is the same as like a private security. So if you're if you're hired that's your job. There is no running for an emergency because you're not on duty that night. It's it's it's an extra person who will be there. So yes, if they're using that money to hire a deputy who's off duty, that will be dedicated to them. I'm sorry, Miss Williams, but we were hiring sheriff's deputies in Legacy Park years ago, and they told us and also this when Sun City had them, if there is an emergency, even though they're off duty, they will respond if they have a car, they will respond.

I can I can double check that with the sheriff's office. That has never been my understanding. So, I will double check that and I will word that in there appropriately. Oh, yes. I'm sorry. Um, can the officer here respond to that? Do you know? But if you're if there's something that happens outside of Sun City, if there's a big emergency, will you leave there?

And so they wouldn't.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Does that satisfy your question? Uh, no. But that's okay. Uh, Miss Williams can check into it later. Very good. So, can we have a roll call vote? Nuki McCurin Francis Lou against. Lynette Henson or Jason Cavalier four. Juda Tinklinberg against.

Chairman Richards four. Four to two. The motion passes. [Applause] All right. If we could please keep the keep keep it down. Yep. Um uh a motion for a fivem minute break. Second. Second. Five minute break. It's 11.

Second. Next on the agenda, SD 2023 0677 Edgewater Phase 9. Hello again, members of the planning commission. There we go. All right. So this section of Edgewater phase 9B is a 30 acre parcel within the Edgewater development. Uh intent is to develop 155 town homes within the uh PDD. On the left is a uh zoning map depiction of the parcel outlined in red and surrounding parcels. Uh here are two location photos of the site. one on the left an aerial view the parcel outlined in red roughly and on the right is a view of the subject parcel off Kataba Ridge Boulevard. Now on this slide is the proposed preliminary plat showing the town homes. Uh the open space is to be provided is uh just a little over 16 acres and the streets are to be privately maintained. Uh in terms of the technical review committee, the latest rea was able to satisfy all outstanding terracy comments. For infrastructure in the area, the closest sed trip count station is located over a mile away from the site. I'm regularly checking to see if they update their website with any other stations, but this is what they have so far. Uh public safety is the Belltown Fire Department. uh terms with uh traffic counts just it's incre well it's hovering right around 4,000 count right now 4,000 trips terms of schools that would be affected in this area these would be Irwin

Elementary and Langster High School for the comprehensive plan the comprehensive plan designates the future land use area here as a master plan community which this proposal will be consistent with also meets goal 7.3 the comprehensive plan. So at this time staff was able to recommend approval of this uh proposed the plunary plat. I'm here for questions and the applicant is also here. Um commissioners, do you have any questions for staff?

I do I do just have a um a quick question there on the traffic count thing that you did. You said it's 1.3 miles away. That's the closest one I could find on their website. Well, no, I'm just saying though, but that's is the crow flies. I drove it. It's It's 5.9 miles away. It's quite a distance. Yeah. Yeah. It's 5.9 miles as you drive. It might be the 1.13, but that's like going across the woods. Okay. I was just making sure on that one there. Um, any questions for staff? Um, applicants here, would you like to get up and speak?

Good evening, commissioners. Joel Madden with True Homes, uh, 10614 Glenn Eden Court, Mint Hill, North Carolina 28227. Um, it's late. I'll keep it brief. Um, we appreciate all the hard work, uh, working with staff on this. Um, after our deferral a month ago, we went back, um, cleaned up a few outstanding items with them. Uh so definitely appreciate their help on that. Um as mentioned, we feel like this is in compliance with the UVO which governs Edgewater as well as the um uh the the um development agreement. Sorry late uh uh that governs Edgewater Edgewater as well. So I'll be glad to answer any questions. Um if if the commission would like updates on Kataba Ridge Boulevard extension that we're working on, I'd be glad to provide that. um or anything else as it relates to the development.

Any questions for the developer? I do have some. Um so what is the update on the extension of Kataba Ridge Boulevard?

Absolutely. Um construction has started. The entire section of the road um that we are responsible for is permitted with the exception of our wetland permit on the second piece of it which my got rerouted to the state historic preservation office that came back. They're just processing the paperwork is what I've been told and we'll have our wetland permit on that piece within a week or two. We've already flagged the con the clearing limits on the second phase of that road. Um the first phase is from the kind of the the end where the gate has been down to a bridge that was built a number of years ago. We've already done the pavement reclamation process in that area, which is grinding up the old pavement, mixing it with cement. That's the base for the new road. If we rain like Noah for the last three weeks, we'd have that paved already.

Um, and then beyond the bridge about 850 ft, which is in the second phase, we've also done the pavement rec reclamation process in that phase as well. Um, so again, clearing limits are flagged. We're ready to go build that thing. Um there's a plat in with the county for review right now. The tail end of that road, as as y'all might recall, had to be realigned. Uh Duke Energy wanted it to cross their power line at a little bit of a different angle. So that plat is in for review. It matches the approved plans that the county has. Um so that plat recordation uh is in place as well as uh temporary construction easements to construct things like the sediment basins and things like that. Do the grading where it extends out beyond the rightway. So we're chomping at the bit. We're ready to go. um just need that well and permit but we can start on the clearing grading those type things just as long as we don't touch that well until we have the well and permit at hand which is our plan is

so who's responsible for the big bridge that takes it all the way to 200 I'm assuming that's that's beyond what you're doing correct right we we go down um to where the Duke power right away uh cuts across and and the very bottom of of the the property that we control on the other side is Contender Development um my understanding is they've been working on with staff on coming in with their preliminary plat and they're solely responsible for that last section of the road that makes that final connection. Okay. Um uh

and they for what it's worth, they are the the realignment of the tail end of that road goes entirely on their property. They've signed the plaid application. They're cooperating with that. Um so they're yeah working with us on on on that, but we're heading up the construction. Um, so my question for this plat here is that um those look like single driveways for the town homes or are they double driveways? I couldn't I couldn't really completely tell from the scaling.

No, that that's correct. These will be um single car garages. So a 10-ft driveway. So a parking space in the garage and then a parking space. they're the the setback for the garage um is um far enough back to accommodate a vehicle and keep them off the sidewalk. Okay. So, keep two two parking spaces essentially per unit. Okay. But no other any on street parking or any other parking? Uh we we do have a a um a couple of of on street parking spaces uh down there's a few down in front of units 45 through 41.

Saw that. Um, so I believe those those may be the only ones. We are very close to um the old uh clubhouse which has a has parking there. And then of course our our new restaurant um and golf clubhouse facility we just opened down there. Brickwood um also has parking that could be used for some some overflow. Okay.

In other words, don't hold a party because there's nowhere for money to park. um in the county report. Um and I' I've just noticed this since the the get-go because I I've lived out there for almost 30 years. So, I've been watching them grade at Edgewater for literally since day one. Um it's talking about how um and you do you've just got the soils down there just are very um prone to erosion and you've got some of those previously graded areas that are highly eroded. Are you um going to fix those areas? I mean, how many of those are affected by this new development?

Um that's part of our development process. We have a geotechnical engineer that's on staff all day, every day out there at Edgewater that um I know I passed him this morning going out. He was coming in. Okay. Whether we're bringing up fill and lifts and and having to do compaction reports on that uh compacting the trenches for the water and the sewer lines, all those type things. So, we're we're studying all that as we go along and and making sure that, you know, all of you know our homes are on sound footings, all all of that. Yes, ma'am.

And then the the last big question I have and it's it's it's the ongoing thing that I've I've been concerned with is that um have you ever done an actual traffic study on Bethl Landing? Because like I said, this this traffic station that they're using is technically almost six miles away. is actually south of um oh whatever that little method that little Methodist church is there and I mean so it's uh I've been watching ever since we had our planning meeting what week ago Thursday I have seen four cars come out of Bethlboat Landing and turn right so that means everybody that's coming out of Bethl Landing is usually either turning left or they're turning left and immediately turning right on sweet on Sweet Ruby. I'm having a fight with DOT about Sweet Ruby. That's not your fight. That's my fight. Um um that's another very very unsafe road. Um so but I mean I I would really like to see a traffic study on Bethl Boat Landing so we've got an idea of how many cars are coming in and out of there a day because I mean how many houses have you got in there now? Over a thousand.

We we Yeah, we've just crossed a thousand. We're somewhere,00 or something like that. Uh, so you're talking that's tw a minimum of 2,200 cars a day plus the school buses, everything that I mean it was in I want to say it was May of 2017 that they did the full depth reclamation on Bethlboat Landing. So it's not even 10 years old yet. And it is Bethlboat Landing is already starting to fall apart. It is riddled with alligator cracking and transverse cracking. And they had done Bethl Avenue in May of no in February of 2017. I got lucky. I was out of the country for the first one and out of the country for the second one. So I didn't have to deal with with any of that. I just didn't plan it on. So that's why I know the exact dates that it happened and and um I was telling them at the uh uh at our meeting I counted after one of the rains I counted what did I say 42 46 potholes on Bethl Avenue just from where you you come in there at Victory Baptist till you turned on Bethl boat landing on just the lanes going that way. I mean, these roads are just not designed to handle the amount of traffic that's coming through there. And it's it's just getting um now up to I've had to wait on 57 cars to get off of Flowergate Farm Road onto Bethl Boat Landing. 57 cars and that was before 7 in the morning. So, it's it's you know, and I'm I'm not the only person that lives off of off of Bethl Boat Landing. Um, but yeah, it's just I don't know if it's appropriate or whatever, but I said we y'all really need to do a traffic study and get a handle on how much traffic is actually coming in and out of there so that um we know what's going on

from you kind of hit on two things. One, structure of the road. I think from Top Ridge Boulevard is a great example. We work closely with Jeff Ko, had him out on site a couple times. um that's a 10-in reclamation that'll they'll then have five inches of asphalt on top of it. So, a very beefy section what's what's coming out there. And in fact, even the the 3-in section um is not going to be standard binder just because Jeff didn't want to cap that until the whole road was built out to 200. So, uh smaller aggregate tighter, so you won't get infiltration down into the into the pavement section itself. So, um you know, that's a that's that's a beefy section. Um so, excited about that. from a a traffic study. I'm I've been with True Homes just over a year now. Certainly in in that last year, there hasn't been a traffic study done.

I don't think there's ever been a traffic study done because Bethl Boat Landing was never meant to be the ingress egress to this whole master plan community. It was supposed to come out on 200 and it was supposed to come out up there at the uh recycling center. So,

right. and some of that as you may or may not know but the Walton properties it's called which is the northern piece um Prestige Developments looking at that one working with staff um and they'll there'll be some connectivity that gets provided. Yeah, frankly we'll we'll be excited when both those connections are there as well. Um the went back through the development agreement as it relates to some of this this week. There's some verbiage in there about cooperation between the developer and the um and the county as it relates to um all-sight improvements. Um um it actually says the county will use it best efforts to obtain funding uh to bring all public rights of way up to the minimum standards for roadways contained in this uh development agreement. Um and it says um county further agrees to use best efforts um essentially to work with the developer to try to find public funding sources and and things like that to try to do off-site road improvements as needed. So um you know not terribly specific language in there but um certainly in the spirit of cooperation more than willing to work with with the county and take a look at that language and and see what can be done together.

Okay. Thank you sir. Absolutely. Any other questions? I have a question. Um, I'm just concern I'm curious. The 155 town homes, um, are they what size are they? Two bedroom, threebedroom, onebedroom.

Those, I believe, are they're at least they're either two or three bedrooms. I apologize. the the land guide doesn't always have the floor plans m uh but they're 28 foot wide approximately 55 and a half feet deep um and that includes the front porch and includes kind of the the back uh built-in patio as well. So, um Will, do you happen to know our two or three bedrooms? Okay.

Yeah, a lot of them we do some some optional um things in there and and and that footprint, frankly, we picked that size because we do have a couple other project products and we have an in-house architecture. So, we we could change that product a little bit, but it'll be two or three bedrooms.

I guess my biggest concern would be the parking. If you've got one uh you know a onecar garage under there, then you've got enough room for one car in the garage. Um just thinking, you know, I mean, I don't know what who would be marketing to the town houses, but you know, I um primarily see a lot of town houses being shared, especially we do have a a college here. You know, I could see people actually, you know, sharing rooms and and things like that. But I'm just curious to where the overflow of the cars would be and if there is a anything to to address that.

Well, and and we do have two 11 foot lanes plus curb and gutter in these sections. A lot of edge water is a ditch section. Um this is this is curb and gutter in this section. So there are there are some areas that you know there's areas where there's driveways on both sides. So that wouldn't allow for parking. Um, but you know, there are several areas in the project where you could park along the road as well for some overflow parking in the case of visitors or a birthday party or something like that. And again, some over overflow parking very very nearby, short walk um with both the old clubhouse parking lot as well as the brickwood parking. Okay. So, it has been thought of. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Yes, ma'am.

Um, just continuing the conversation about parking. You mentioned on street parking, but would you add additional parallel spots to accommodate that in the areas that you mentioned? I just whenever um we toured and drove through the other part um of the master community, it it was really tight and dense and then this is even denser than that. So, I'm thinking of emergency vehicles, school buses getting through. If there's also street parking, that becomes really tight maneuvers. So,

yes, ma'am. I I think there's some opportunities to do that in a couple pockets here. Uh Cardinal View, which is the the northern entrance off Kataba Ridge Boulevard, is an unloaded road. So, I think you could could add some parkings parking along there. Um a few spots along her and Glenn Circle as well that you could add some. Um and then there's a road for a future extension potentially across the creek to another piece we own over there that you could provide some along that road as well. So, certainly I think that that would be smart for us to look at. and um makes a lot of sense. Okay. And something you're willing to do. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions or comments?

Thank you, sir. So, now we go to we go um open it up for public hearing. There is no one signed up for public hearing. Woohoo. So, we will consider ourselves out of public hearing. So, commissioners, we have before us Oh, any more comments or questions? So, commissioners, we have before us SD 2023 0677 Edgewater Phase 9. Um, do I hear a motion?

I make a motion to approve. Second. It is not 2020. It is 2025. Been here that long. Yeah, we've gone back five years. Yep. That's how long we've been here. We've gone We've gone backwards five years. All right. Um, may I have a roll call vote, please? Wait. Okay. Yes. Any more discussion? Um, I'd like to amend the motion to include um parallel parking where it's available. I was wondering if we were just going to I know I was like wait do I have the sec second?

Thank you. Yeah. Sorry. Who was the second?

Any more comments? So, we have a motion um to approve SD 2023 0677 Edgewater phase 9 with the amendment to add um on street parallel parking where available. They're separate. Vote for the motion to amend first and then vote for the Okay. So, yes, we have to vote first to accept the amendment. The amendment. Correct. Can we do that by show of hands? Show of hands. Approved unanimously.

Six minus one. Yes. 6 - one. Um so now

you vote to approve the motion as amended. Yes. Yes. It's getting late in the unit. So, um, do I have a motion to avo uh a motion to approve SD 2023 0677 Edgewater Phase 9 as amended? A motion. All right. Do we just We're just voting. Show of hands votes to approve. Approved six to zero with one missing. Thank you, gentlemen, and thank you, Commissioner Tinklinburgg, for reminding us of that.

Yes. Now, item number SD 2025 0771, Howard Properties. Okay, sorry, I was gonna click over our presentation. Sorry, I had to move that microphone down. Joel is a little bit taller than I am. Okay, so I am presenting Howard Properties to you this evening. This is a preliminary plat for a major subdivision located off of Henry Harris, just south of Ravenwood Drive and just north of Stacy Howy. Uh the aerial map from the GIS map is is located on this picture here. So you kind of get a feel for the parcels that they're looking at. Uh and then these are zoned rural neighborhood and they are not requesting a reszoning. So these will this will be a by right development. So, rural neighborhood is oneacre lots uh per home.

Oh, way to move it forward. Uh yeah, I don't know what happened there. Just I promise I only hit it once. Thanks. All those times they pushed earlier tonight, they all hit.

They put that on me. Exactly. It all caught up to me just now and it just ended the presentation. Um, okay. So, the graphic that you're looking at here, uh, is a breakdown of the TRC review at the sketch plan phase that this proposal went through and as well as the preliminary phase. Um, there are at the top there some initial comments from the TRC. Um, okay. I thought I was like I I swear I didn't touch nothing. Um, there the initial comments there were there were fire code concerns with community access. SC DOT um had denied it and requested a rework because of the the dual access that they had. Um the water sewer district had approved for water only and and Lex County School District had denied because these schools are uh would be served by Indian land um which are at capacity. Now hopefully I have made this as clear as possible. I know it might be a little confusing. A revision was submitted. However, it was routed this week. So there are only certain departments have gotten to a review of the revision that was submitted this week. So what is under those updated comments includes SE dot planning and E911 address. All the other departments have not had an opportunity to review this. So the chart that you're looking at for preliminary plat is updated for the current departments that have done the review. What is left is where we were before the revision. So what was updated here? Um E911 address advised that uh Spring Mill Court needed to be updated to drive. Uh SE DOT referenced their driveway spacing waiver and encroachment permit that would be required which would be handled outside of preliminary. And then for planning, we had a minor item that since a recombination of these parcels was not being pursued, since this preliminary had been surveyed over both parcels, uh that they would need to put back the

boundary of line that exists between these two parcels um because it does go through some of their lots uh since they would potentially be pursuing that later on. And then we don't I don't have updated comments from the other departments. This is the preliminary plat that was received uh before the revisions that were submitted this week. Um I have not had a thorough chance to look at it yet. However, what was submitted this week looks very similar. I don't know that any changes have been made. Um but here uh the staff is going to recommend denial because there are pending TRC review comments needed and some of those departments previously had denied or not approved. So, we're recommending denial as they proceed through this TRC process looking for th those approvals. I'm here for questions. The applicant I'm pretty sure they're still here. Yeah, they are still here. The applicant is also here for any questions. Uh if you have any for me. You

have any questions for staff?

Okay. Does would the applicant like to come up and speak? Brandon Pridemore, 1186 Stone Crest Boulevard, TK, South Carolina. Thank you again. Uh this project's a little bit different than the last one uh I presented. Um, I'm here on behalf of Shay Holmes, uh, who is here with me and, um, I think given in context with all the things that we heard tonight and different things, um, you know, I think we're going to ask this planning commission to allow us a 60-day deferment to address some things I think that have come up more recently that they want to be able to vet and chase a little further. uh we we were prepared to address I think the comments that are in TRC and things but I don't want to go into that because again I think there's some other things that we need to consider but what we would like to ask this commission to do is you know based on the layout that you see and again this is 32 lots over 50 acres. We're talking a density of 66 units um an acre which is probably the one of the lower ones you've seen tonight and obviously the smallest project you've seen tonight as well. But we'd like to get feedback and hear directly from you of the things that Sha Holmes needs to consider before we come back to this planning commission to, you know, present uh changes that they would like to consider.

But Zach Ducy with Shay Holmes, 2701 Gilead Lane, Waxaw. Also just want to add to to Brandon that um it it's become apparent that there's a tremendous opportunity for us to to work more directly with with some of the um local neighbors that have shared some concerns over the last 7 to 10 days that uh came up after we had submitted the preliminary plat. So, in addition to to y'all's feedback, we we think that there's a tremendous opportunity there to to potentially improve the plan based on some neighbor feedback that uh 60-day deferment would give us the opportunity to to in addition to anything that that's stated tonight to uh take that feedback and see if it's something we can incorporate into the plan. And if I could, I just wanted to, you know, express this is Shay Holmes's first project here in Lancaster County. So, one, they're excited for the opportunity, but two, just again based on the things that they heard from this uh commission tonight over the various projects, they want to make sure they slow down and make sure they've addressed things as fully as possible. And we're just asking for that opportunity to do that tonight.

Yes, ma'am. Um, I want to say thanks for staying this late. I'm admirable. Um I think also thank you for asking for our feedback when you're asking for a deferment and then incorporating what everyone will tell you. So that goes a long way in my book. Um

I know that Sheay has a lovely product. I've owned a Sha home in the past and I know that they're top-notch and great quality. So, um I know that you are a developer that we would hope to work with and um so I just wanted to make sure I I said that. So, I did drive by this site a lot over the LA well I drive by it often. I live up in Indian land but a lot more recently to go look at it and then taking my kids on errands and stuff and I was able to drive it different parts of the day seeing it during different types of traffic flow. Um and it there's it's very curvy and narrow on Henry Harris Road. Um the same comment that we had for other questions thinking about um traffic safety impacts of adding turning lanes I think would go a long way. Um I would also thinking of children waiting for um school buses, sidewalk connectivity and safe places um for them to congregate. Um, I talked about turning lanes, blind curves, curvy roads. That's that's all that I have.

Yes, ma'am.

Yeah. I also wrote um by the area um just make sure that you hold your community meetings and um especially make friends with that existing that you're going to carve out around Now, Miss Tinkleberg, if I may, can can I get you to clarify when we talk about turn lanes, you know, there's there's different movements that we would need to consider and and and again, you know, just in u I guess in retrospect to the size of this project, few number of loss that we have. Um, you know, what type of turn lanes are you looking for? Are we are we talking right del lanes? Are we looking left turn lanes? I mean, it's that's a pretty broad request and we we need to kind of focus and be able to put a number to it,

right? You're right. Um I I appreciate the question. I I think that because I' I've realized that what we're asking is going over and beyond what is required. So, I I I guess I leave that up to you. The the more the better in my book. Um we're in an interesting situation especially up in Indian land where almost every developable site um already has an improved plan or it's coming really soon before us. Um but we're already maxed out and at capacity and it's only getting worse with all the commercial coming in bringing even you know traffic from all the surrounding areas. So, for me personally to be able to vote yes for something, I I need to see what what are you offering the county to help offset the burden that you're bringing? Um, and I think that those are the types of questions and things we want to see even as the development moves further south. Um, but definitely up in Indian land. So, I realize what we're asking is is addition additional things. Um, but we have to be able to justify our decisions to the community of why are we approving your project but denying other projects um that aren't offering are are not offering anything. So that's I guess my reference for saying things like that.

Understood. Thank you. May I just say that I think it's great to get feedback, but it doesn't assure um approval when you come back and say, well, this was your feedback and I did all of that. It's not necessarily that, okay, you you're done. So, I just wanted to caution you that it's good to gather feedback, but we haven't really reviewed the whole plan, which is something that we can't do since it's not being given to us and it's being deferred. Well, the deferment is up to you. We're just simply making that request. No, you're asking for it.

Yes, we are. And as a commission, you guys have the right to approve or deny that deferment request, but we're just asking again for a 60-day deferment to allow my client a chance to digest everything that he heard tonight, the comments that we're getting and feedback now to make sure uh what his commitments can be and be able to present it in such a way that we think we've addressed everything we possibly can. Yes. All right.

For the same purpose that we had this discussion with the um the the Silver Run project where they came in and answered all our questions. We can't design the site for you. If we go in and tell you that you need to have two left turn lanes that we can do the hoke pokey and come around and you present this to us. Well, again, it would be embarrassing for us to ask for something. You present it and then we don't actually follow through. So, it's going to have to come back down to the technical side of it. And I understand this. I was in site design for many many moons. My favorite statement. So, appreciate the question, but we can't do it for you. So, when you get back here and you have asked a defer, I just want to make sure that's what I heard. Right. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. We're asking for a 60-day deferral.

Yeah. And it'll I think we'll have to assign a date to that one. Is that correct, Miss Williams? If we They've requested 60 days out. So that would be the October meeting. October meeting. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't hear that part. I apologize. But um yeah, we can design it for you. Um I will give you my sympathies on her Henry Harris Road. That's a tight one. No, acknowledge and understood, Mr. Cavalier. Thank you.

Any other comments or questions? We've got a a lot of people who have sat here for a long time and I think they have the right to be heard. So, thank you so much. And we will go into um public hearing. I'm just I'm sorry. Are we hearing this or is it being deferred? Can we can't do both, can we? Yes, you can. You did with the earlier item. You deferred it and you still held the public hearing. There is an option to notice and hold another public hearing at the time of the new one as well, but since you held the public hearing for the one earlier tonight, you would be consistent. Who knows have the right to be heard and we'd like to hear the hear their feedback as well. We feel the same way.

And I thought that's that's what I thought I gathered from you. You wanted to hear what they Oh, no. I never want to take away anyone's right to be heard. It's just that there'll be no action tonight.

Yep. So, yes. Uh, thank you, gentlemen. Um, we will go into public hearing. Um, I have a stack of emails. Um, Alice Lee um is concerned about gr uh drainage, so she is not in favor. John Gray also concerned about um drainage and traffic and the bus routes. Um this is from Rebecca Brown. Um concerned about drainage and traffic and um lack of capacity from Lancaster County water and sewer. And this one is from Laura Hickman, also concerned about traffic and um um busing issues and um environmental threats to this and surrounding properties. So, um Jimmy Hood, are you still here? Would you like to speak, sir? I'm Jimmy Hood, 8962 Henry Harris Road, Indian Land. I live down towards the southway, uh, two parcels of land. Um, good evening to all members of the planning commission. I'm Jimmy Hood. I live on Henry Harris Road. My mother and sister live on Hood Road, which is the county road located directly across from the proposed development. I have three main concerns I will address. My main concern is the water runoff from the streets, rooftop, paved driveways due to the water runoff and discharge. It will flow downhill onto my property, but it's gonna flow across two more properties before it gets to my property out of the

retention pond, which in turn will be point water discharge and coming off of imperous ground, which a lot of that ground up there is pit gravel. Well, you start packing pit gravel, you're not going to put no water in no pit gravel. So, and I that's what the Ansley Park problem is. They got a lot of pit gravel and it don't run it runs all off the top of it. Uh, but there is a small branch on my property that runs under Henry Harris Road through a pipe and I think all that water will out of that pond will eventually wind up in that pipe which in turn that pipe or that branch is already full from being over the or some of the water from up towards Marvin comes through there naturally and then all the other cleared land comes down through there. And I want to know, will there be a swell installed around this whole development to contain the water inside of this development instead of like Anley Park where they didn't put a swell around it and the water comes off the sides of the development instead of diverting it all towards the retention ponds. And secondly, I am concerned about the traffic on Henry Harris Road. As I stated, my mother and sister live on Hood Road and I'm there daily. The track traffic has increased greatly due to Henry Harris Road being used as a bypass to 521. This traffic does not flow to posted speed limits and is dangerous and in a blind curve of the road is where their driveways at. when entered or exiting Hood Road is hard to see around the curb for oncoming traffic and then there's heels on each side of that driveway. With the estimate of the increased

amount of traffic on a daily basis, they are now in the process of discussing widening Henry Harris Road for the fire trucks. So, will this development be offering any green space in front of the development for future widening of Henry Harris Road? Because when I looked at the plat, it looked like there was no green space up there for the road to be put on their side. Thank you. Thank you,

Linda Woodall. Linda Woodall, 556 Ravenwood Drive, Indian Land, South Carolina 29707. We've been here 45 years when it was called Fort Mill and then we got annexed and got a new zip code. Um, we bought two tracks of land coming from Florida. I got transferred up here with Deote to uptown Charlotte and two tracks 1.69 and 1.69. Our track is right where um their little square goes all the way through it. I don't know if they know or if you know we have ditches 15 to 20 feet deep. We knew it when we bought it on both pieces of land. all the runoff through the years. Every time it rains, rain or shine, we get all the runoff. And it's not just one or two ditches. We've have seven or eight ditches that go all the way through both sets of property onto the next piece of property. It's okay. We love Indian Land. We love this place. I I travel an hour and a half every morning, leaving at 4:30 in the morning to go to Uptown Charlotte to do my job so I can come back at 7 o'clock at night. so I can come home and be peace and quiet in my little piece of heaven and to have development. I know it's going to happen, but there has to be rules and regulations where that's not going to happen. There has to be a buffer. We've got so many ditches that if somebody was to build a house right next to us, that would be crazy because number one, they wouldn't like all the water that comes from it. um that water comes to us and it comes from the front of the property and the

back of the property. We really have a really a bad problem with the erosion, but that's not to say we can't fix it. If there's going to be development, it's got to be sustained and um environmentally sound environment and development. And um I just wanted to let the developers know that um we're not opposed to anything, but you've got to remember that we've been here first and we've taken care of this land all this time and it's not fair to come in and ma'am, can you please speak into the microphone

and it's not fair to to um make all these decisions without counting about counting about us and talking to us because we have input and we know that Indian land is growing. There's no affordable housing anywhere in Indian land. So, there's so many address items that we need to be addressing here besides just um development. That's all I have to say. And I love Indian Land. Thank you, ma'am. Randy Wilson. Good morning.

Weren't you here yesterday? All right.

I'm Randy Wilson, 8835 Stacy Highway Road, Indian Land, South Carolina. Lived there 65 years. I presently have cattle on this property that they're proposing development. And you know, it's not my property. I'm leasing it from the from the owner. I do have property on Stacy High Road that I have cattle on. But my concerns are the retention ponds back at the Jimmy Hood, Joe Barley, Alice Lee, which mentioned in your email earlier, um Bobi, which is Alice's brother, and uh Beverly and Rick Stallard live right beside of Jimmy Hood and and behind me. They bordered this property on the map's not here now, but on one complete side, and that's where one of the retention ponds is going. My problem is I've got a spring on my the creek behind me. Joe's got a pond on his property. Um Jimmy's got a spring fed that's going under Henry Harris Road. I water livestock out of this pond and the creek. If they dump all that water onto me that's coming off of driveways, houses, it's got oil in it. It's got antifreeze in it. All these things that harm cattle. So, someone's got to protect my cattle of dumping this water that's coming off of all these driveways, purposely running it to these retention ponds. The other concern I have was they say they're going to take the power line down that's crossing the property. The the gentleman you mentioned a little while ago, Kevin, that was in concern with the cutout. Y'all kind of made a little joke about it. Maybe I don't know what what y'all know about that we don't know. But Miss Keratin, you want to address that issue. There was a guy

say right now this is your comment time. Okay. Well, he he was here earlier and he left, but he's on the cutout of five acres in the middle of this of this property. He was here. He's got concerns, but he left before with the meeting going. But the power line crosses the back of his property and goes all the way across property. They're saying they're going to relocate that power line. Whose property are they going to put it on? You know, I'd like that that answered from, you know, the developer. I have nothing against development, but I'm just I have these concerns about my property and my neighbors property and the cattle that I've been raising for over 45 years. So, thank you for your time.

Thank you, sir. Barbara Scanell, I think she finally left. Kevin Gribbon, are you still here? No. Susie Porsche, n she gone. Angie Davis, John Bryant, Diane Powell. Hi, my name is Diane Powell and I live at 9116 Henry Harris Road which is right across from the development. My concern is the flooding because I've called the um Lancaster County before because when it rains really hard, my garage floods. The neighbor beside me has built a trench in between us and he has a catch pond in his backyard, but I believe he may have been doing some things over there. But the flooding is definitely an issue where we live. It just I don't know what's going on, but it's definitely an issue. The other issue I have is the speed limit on Henry Harris. For whatever reason, from Collins Road all the way down to 521, it's 35 miles an hour, but from Collins Road to Marvin, it's 45 miles an hour. And people are going 85 miles an hour, 100 miles an hour, flying, passing you on a double yellow line, trying to turn in your driveway. I mean, it's gotten out of control. Someone is going to get killed. And then we talk about another development coming in. We've got developments all over Henry Harris as it is right now. I mean, it's just it's just crazy. So, my big thing is the also where's the entrance going to be for this development? because like I say, it's directly across the street from me currently. So, thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. And Thomas Byum, how did I know that was you? You've just been sitting there eagerly waiting. It's only been six and a half hours,

but I finally get my shot. Uh, my name is Tom Byum. I'm at 590 Ravenwood Drive, adjacent to the development property. Uh, and uh, ladies and gentlemen, I know it's late. Um, I only have a couple of points to make. Uh, first and foremost, uh, I'll echo my dear neighbors here. Um, the water is a serious problem um, in this area. The topography of Henry Harris, I know some of you have driven it fairly recently. This particular development sits at the very top of a hill, right? It slopes down to Collins Road on one side. It slopes steeply down to Marvin Road on the other. Water goes off in every direction. What we're proposing is to take all of that grass, all of that dirt, all of that absorption capacity and pave it, right? Where's all that going to go? How deep a pond do you really need to build in order to be able to catch all that and not allow it to affect our neighbors? Right. Second, um green space preservation. Henry Harris is one of, in my opinion, one of the most beautiful roads in Lancaster County. Um it is wooded, it is uh steep, it's been recently paved. It's it's a very nice road. We've got cyclists come from miles around come to to uh ride bicycles on that up and down that road, right? Uh when Anley Park went in, right? What did we get? We got a whole bunch of trees knocked down and now we see people's backyards as we drive along Henry Harris. Is another development going to do the same thing to the other side of the street? Right? How do we make sure that we're preserving our green space and again preserving that absorption capacity for that water? And then lastly is, you know, traffic. I we've heard about traffic in Indian land all night long. I don't need to rehash that, but zooming in on what we're looking at here in this section of Henry Harris between Marvin Road and Collins Road. Frankly, we are a it looks like a big road, but it is it's very limited access. We really don't there's no good

way to get across Six Mile Creek, right? So Collins Road is not made for the level of traffic it takes to get from Henry Harris out to 521. The intersection at Marvin has only been made worse by the addition of that left turn lane into Henry Harris, making it harder to get out of that road. So we're going to, you know, we're we're supporting the capacity, the the cha the traffic challenges of 300 homes in Ansley Park, and we want to add to that trouble. the uh you know tonight we've heard proposals for 696 homes in Lancaster County and we need to make sure that those homes don't come at the cost of hours of our lives in traffic, lost property values, the loss of our safety and the loss of our children's education. Lancaster County right now is attracting development attention because it is on sale because it is inexpensive to build here and that money is going to go into the developers pockets. If we do not charge enough for those developers to come here then you know that comes out of the pockets of the residents who are already here. Thank you.

Thank you sir. We are coming out of public comment. I'm sorry. Did I I don't have any other names on this list. I've read every name on this list.

Oh, okay. So, Peter Man. Oh, God, my eyes are tired. Okay. Um, John Gray. Okay, my apologies.

My name is John Gray. I live at 9085 Hood Road, which is right across the street from the proposed development on Henry Harris. Um, I had a long spiel about traffic and I think we beat that horse to death tonight. So, I'm not going to say anything else about the traffic, but I do have some other concerns. Um, number one is is the wellwater. So, a lot of the parcels around us, the neighbors, we have wells on the property. Um, we've got the runoff that we're concerned with. We've got, I'm sure there's going to be some kind of a a sprinkler system, irrigation system they put in, and usually they put in a well uh to to water all their green space in these developments. So, we're concerned that that's going to take away from our wells. Is it's going to drain our wells dry or is it going to contaminate our wells? Um, and another thing that I heard tonight that that kind of bothered me that nobody has put their finger on is the developers keep saying we're raising property value. We're raising property value. We've got these $800,000 to a million dollar homes going in and we're going to raise your property value. What about the people I' I've lived in land for 44 years. Born and raised. My family was born and raised there. My wife's family has been there for over a hundred years off Possum Hollow Road. What about us people that don't want to sell? We don't care if our property value is goes up to $5 million because we're not leaving, but we got to pay the taxes on it. Our taxes go up every year. I've got two kids that go to school at Indie. One goes to the intermediate school, one goes to elementary. It's six o'clock before they get off the bus. And I can't have them get off the bus at Hood Road. The bus won't go down Hood Road. It's a dirt road. And that's a sharp corner at the top of a hill in a blind spot. And if I let my kids get off at Hood Road, it wouldn't take a day.

The bus would be rear ended where that bus stop is. I guarantee it. You can't get off the road there. People pass in the corner. You're trying to turn onto our dirt road to go home. Taxes are going up. Traffic stinks. And that thing about 44 homes and 16 kids in four is a load of horse manure. You can't tell me that there's not single husbands and wives buying million-dollar homes in four and five bedrooms. They got kids in the house. So, I guess my last point is the roads are full. The schools are full. Indian lands full. We got to quit putting houses up, guys. At some point, enough is enough. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Rebecca Brown.

Rebecca Brown, 9061 Henry Harris. Um, says good evening, but good morning, members of the board. Uh, my name is Rebecca Brown. I'm here to speak against the proposed development on Henry Harris Road for a property that has historically been used to farm crops, graze cattle, and board horses. In 2018, the big red cow barn that everyone knew and remembered on this particular property was lost to a tragic barnfire. That property now holds a cemetery at the southern entrance for the horses who were lost in the fire and others who passed during the years that I actually managed this particular property. While I can understand that our laws and rules for development may not address this particular scenario, I respectfully ask for compassion in honoring the resting place of the horses who are a very important part of so many lives. There's a broad range of concerns regarding the impact of this development. The strain it would put on infrastructure that's already stretched thin should be reason enough to vote no. Traffic impact and overcapacity Indian land schools are also equally major concerns. Another pressing concern is Lancaster County water and sewer's inability to accommodate septic. There's crucial questions regarding the impact of 32 homes, how leechfields might affect the land that we use for grazing and the creeks that run behind our properties. Those creeks are home to the endangered Carolina hill split splitter population. SC DOT manages Henry Harris, but has no solution to handle the storm water runoff that's plagued all of us in recent years. I've personally incurred significant expense to mitigate erosion damage to our driveway um from the increased storm water runoff since Ansley Park went in just down the road. This runoff flows to the stream at the back of my property, which is part of the endangered heel spplitter overlay. Adding more homes across the street, which are at a higher elevation, will only compound this runoff issue. The proposed development also poses a question about the kind of community we want to preserve in Indian land. This particular land is in the middle of a very small area on Henry Harris that has managed to remain undeveloped by the influx of subdivisions given the exception of Ansley Park. Many direct neighbors of this property you're hearing from tonight own working horse

and cattle farms and are trying to maintain a little bit of rural life in an area that given away to an extremely rapid pace of development. As a horse farm manager in this particular area for over 15 years, I can say with absolute clarity that there will always be a compatibility challenge when allowing a subdivision to be developed in direct proximity to a working farm. The animals that we care for have already faced dramatic changes with the development of Ansley Park, even with a reasonable buffer of AC acreage between us. Allowing McLaren to move forward directly adjoining our properties would undoubtedly give way to more farms losing the battle of trying to coexist in an area that's becoming far too urbanized to manage livestock safely. I urge you, please protect our already strained resources. Please protect our farmland. This small area of rural community is not only integral to Indian land's past, it's also relevant to its future. Say no to this development. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. Megan Jameson, she's still here. Laura Hickman. It's Laura Hickman, 9194 Henry Harris Road. Good morning. I'm here to speak against the preliminary proposal from Shea Holmes for 32 no homes in our community. While growth can be positive, this plan brings more harm than good. First, it would increase traffic on our already heavily congested roads, especially after the Ansley Park neighborhood with over 300 homes was built directly across the street. Henry Harris Road is already used as a cutthrough due to Highway 521's growth. and this neighborhood will just add to the strain. Our back roads were not designed for this continuous influx of new vehicles, which means longer commutes, more noise, and more accidents. Second, this project would further strain community resources. Indianland schools are already overcrowded and emergency services are stretched thin. My son, a sophomore at Indianland High School, has seen teachers quit midyear or not even have teachers available to teach his honors classes. Bus driver shortages and overcapacity classrooms directly hurt these students. I've personally also faced delayed police response times over the past year during a stalker situation that I faced. The overburdened emergency services put me at real risk of serious harm or death. Third, this plan is proposed assumes that I will give up my driveway access and use their neighborhood entrance for my own property. I will absolutely not be pressured into doing that. Police, delivery drivers, and friends already struggled to locate my property off Henry Harris, and this new entrance proposal would make it considerably

worse. I bought this land to avoid living in a neighborhood, and I will not give Sha homes rights to my driveway. Finally, this project threatens the character and environment of our community. A farm once stood here, and the horses that died in a devastating 2018 fire are buried on this land. Yet this plan does not pre preserve that site. Sheay also misrepresented outreach to a current homeowner at the center of their property purchase who also was not even notified of this hearing. Meanwhile, open space and mature trees would also be replaced with oversized houses, destroying our wildlife habitat and Indian land's unique charm. Development must be thoughtful and balanced. This proposal prioritizes profit over livability and community. We deserve a plan that protects our safety, preserves our environment, and maintains the character of Indian land. For these reasons, I urge you to reject this housing proposal. Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am. And Paula Noen, she's still here. Okay. So, now that brings us Is there anybody I missed? Okay, now that takes us out of public hearing. So, Yes. And we have a applicant has asked to defer. Do we have to vote on that? Okay. Do I have a

I'll make a motion to approve defer rent. All in favor? Show of hands. Six to nothing. All right. I know there's more. Now I would like to comment. They've heard lots and lots of feedback. Take it to heart. Yes. All right. So, we have uh um next item um NRN 2025 1616 Stone Brook Drive.

Be careful. Is this the last one? Is there another one? It's the last one and then we've got a few housekeeping items after that. We might as well stretch it out to one and go for the rest. I know, right? Let's go. You know what? What's 12:45 when we can do one? Yes, ma'am.

This is a new road name. This is not a public hearing item. This is a request by Diana Brotton uh who owns property located off Palamino Road um to name a private drive. They recently, let me advance here, they recently got approved for a preliminary plat for three small lots in the center of their property. You can see on the left hand side approximately where the driveway would go and then the little where the culde-sac is is where they've located those three um parcels. In order to get building permits they have to name the private drive for um EMS. Now it's not working for me. There we go. Uh the application meets all UDIO requirements. Sander Burton at E911 addressing has reviewed the name against existing database of names. The requested name is Stone Brook Drive. Staff recommends approval of the proposed name for this private drive. And I'm here for questions.

Any questions for staff?

Um, is the applicant here? I'm No. Oh, excellent. Thank you for hanging out to the bitter end.

Um, do you wish to address us or you good? You're good to go. Well, thank you for staying all the way to the end. So, any any questions, commissioners? So, we have before us um non-hering item 2025 1616 Stonebrook Drive. Um, do I hear a motion? I wanted to ask out curiosity. Um, why Stonebrook? is nice to know. I like that. Thank you. All right. I make a motion to approve. Motion to approve.

Second. Second. Um, show of hands in favor. Unanimous. Five to nothing. Now we are on to other review of next month's agenda. We have next month's agenda. Do we have next month's agenda? Oh, get to it. That's okay.

Um, so in addition to there is at least one item from tonight that was deferred to next month. The other I think was deferred to October. So that won't be an issue. Um, in addition to the deferred item, we have um, Shadow Moss is coming back. That's a preliminary plat. We have a res two reasonzonings for um Meritage Homes and an an adjacent property. Meritage Homes is asking for MDR. The um property adjacent to them is asking for general business zoning. We have two um paired applications. So there are combination reszoning and comp plan application going in tandem. one for White the Whiteall subdivision um and the other for subdivision called Cove Point or Cove Point development. We have a comp plan amendment for Kershaw. Basically, it is Kershaw's comprehensive plan addendum to the county um comp plan. And we have one other new road name. Wow, that sounds so easy compared to tonight.

Sounded easy. Okay, so and then next said administrative matters. I don't know what that is. That's a reminder that tomorrow night um is the community meeting for the Haven. Yes. Um also previously called the duly tracked. Um tomorrow night several of you have mentioned that you were going. I just wanted to remind you about and that's at the model home at Rosland, right? That's at Rosland Community. Yeah. Well, is it the model home or the community center? I don't have the address with me, but I can email you to No, no, no. I printed out whatever it was. You sent the letter from LAR. All right. Do I have a motion to adjourn? No, no, no. Okay. Do you have something? Yeah. Go ahead.

Madam Chairman, I have a question like when is the right time to have the conversation about impact fees? because I heard that over and over tonight. I want to understand can we can we visit that and it can't just be in Indian land. We're going to have to progress that south of Indian land and is there a graduated opportunity so it's not like all at one time or how does that work?

So council will um the process for impact fees is council has to send it to you. They will charge you with that review. um they have been talking that over on their side and probably within the next few months that will be to you to discuss and review what they've sent you. Not to be rude, but what's taking so long when the place is on fire and we're waiting for water and we're not getting it? I It's just a metaphor. We're asking for help for more higher impact fees.

The impact fees is a process. This is a very intricate legal process that you have to do. They have to have consultants do a review. They have to provide a report. It has to be reviewed by council and the attorney. Then it has to be recommended to you. So, we're about four steps into that process. That's what I wanted to hear. Has it been started? Has it gotten some traction? That's what I wanted to hear. And then I wanted to ask about um continuing education. Good. What would you like to ask? Are we going to have any?

We don't currently have any scheduled. Um, we can give you some links for you to find things that interest you on your own to take for your continuing education if you'd like. But will it be certified that we have done it per do we have the same requirements that BCA has that we have to have so many three hours a year? Yes. So, will there be anything that is basically proctored or is it just honors? you typically get a certificate of completion with you if you finish an online course and we can send you some links for those. Okay.

So, I'm doing mine the next week and it's not an online course. I'm actually going to a conference for the housing authority. I want to understand what I need to bring back to certify that that's what I did. Um, typically I know with our planning conference they usually within a couple weeks they'll give you like a credit hour listing of what you got credit for. So um if you have a contact prior to that you could reach out to them and see what they um what they offer for that. If if they require continual education, they usually have a process to allow those credits. Thank you. We're done with all of our

I make a motion to second. Yeah. [Music] To dismiss. Yes. And does Yes. Sorry. Does anybody