Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

2026. We want to understand your priorities and ensure that we have a code that is in accordance with the form of development that you want, the form of your city at this time. So, we are not just giving you one of these codes and dropping it on you. This will be a Lancaster code. I am accompanied by Christian Nasman. He will help with project management and also involved in the arrangement of documents. Rick Richardson is a senior advisor. He has more than 25 years of experience in working on comprehensive code innovation. He actually leads the high school zoning regulation project. Holly White is our design leader. We will provide you with a set of very visual new regulations with many graphics depicting complex zoning concepts. So he will lead it. And Jasmine Pritchard is our GS coordinator who also helps. So I want to take a little time to discuss the scope and schedule of the project We have a very structured process because we think it's important to start from scratch understand what your priorities are, and also begin to involve the community at the beginning of the project and continue it until it is completed. One of the key elements of a project that we think is very important is transparency to ensure that everyone realizes what is happening and can understand how it will affect them. So, we will discuss each of these six separate phases. However, before doing so, I want to talk a little about the involvement of the community in general. So, this section, as we will discuss in a moment, covers the comprehensive involvement strategy with the main contact points in all projects. As you know from your agenda, we will hold an open house. We will leave the meeting after we are done with this presentation. Okay, we have an involvement. Immediately in each of the main phases, sometimes several times, and there will also be an opportunity for involvement from you. We really want to hear from many citizens, and you can see all the different groups that are part of this project. We have a staff group. So, alongside the core project team, including Betsy, me, Chris, and Kristian, we have additional staff that we meet with staff in general work and planning that all bring a different perspective on land development and we want to ensure that it is included in the renewal of regulations. City Council and Planning Commission, we appreciate your input as people who will review the final regulations before adoption. We want to hear from the people and stakeholders about other important things, because we want this to be a revision of the regulations that reflects the preferences of the entire community. And we have also formed a community advisory committee. This is a group consisting of around 14 people who will meet with us during the project. This really represents various layers of society and not only shares their priorities at this stage, but also monitors the work product when we produce it and provide us with input. So let's start with a general picture of project planning. So we are actually in the first phase of project initiation. We have reviewed your regulations at this time. We have started public involvement. We have set up 9 focus groups with various community members. We have met with community financial committee. We have met with staff. We will present this to you and we will hold open house. This morning we do office around the city. So we have to better understand some of the development challenges that you all face. And as part of this phase, we have also launched the Lancaster by Design portal on the Lancaster Engage website. The purpose of this phase is to understand everyone's priorities for this project. You have innovation, the latest comprehensive plan that provides very good policy guidance, but we also want to understand some other priorities for this innovation that people have. Which part of the rules works well and they want to maintain, and which part of the rules that they need to be updated to meet the needs of the city. We will take all of that input and synthesize it into code evaluation. So the evaluation will be an analysis of your current generation rules and your current land subdivision and development rules. See it through all the lenses that we learned in the first phase. If the regulations are really in line with the policy and other preferences that we have identified in the first phase, we will state them and aim to continue them in the updated regulations. If there is a part of the regulations that is not in line with the direction of the policy, we will state it as well, and we will give one or more recommendations on how it can be handled in the updated regulations. The second part of the evaluation after this evaluation is the big annotation line. This big annotation line sets the recommendation of the regulation organization, which is updated if all suggestions in the evaluation section are adopted. So after we issue a public assessment draft, we will be back again. There will be a community survey to collect feedback from the community. We will meet with the community advisory committee and we will hold a direct involvement round. And we have worked with city involvement staff to find out, you know, what will be included based on the type of feedback that we will look for and the best way to involve the community. As part of the second phase, we will also prepare an official map. The official map is a document that identifies where the city has, in general, infrastructure priorities and public facilities. So, the highway is the route that is desired, so that when the development application enters the city, the developer will be told that the city wants to provide an important road connection or highway, so that it can be integrated into the development project. After the evaluation is complete, we will evaluate the feedback, meet with the staff, identify whether there are any changes that need to be made to the order path that is identified in the big line of annotations, and we will move on to phase 3, namely the renewal of the regulation order. So we will arrange it in two separate stages. Basically, we divide the zoning and saloon regulations into two. and we will release public drafts from each stage. At each stage, we will do another round of involvement. There will be a community survey, a chance to participate, a direct opportunity to give feedback. We will meet with the community advisory committee. And there is also an opportunity for city staff to complete projects like this, the involvement that we lead, by going directly to the community, attending festivals, meeting people where they are to tell them that the project is in progress and asking for input about the new regulations. At the end of phase 3, we will have complete zoning regulations, subdivision regulations, and complete land development. And we will get a lot of input from the public. Then we move on to phase 4, which is testing. And this is a very important part of the project because the zoning regulations that are updated and SDO will be a very long document with many related determinations. And one way we found to evaluate how well we have organized the regulations that have been updated is by testing. So we will take several development locations. The location can be a location that has just been built, a location that is waiting for a proposal, or maybe an empty location that the city wants to build. We evaluate how the location can be developed based on the current zoning regulations in Sawale, and how the location can be developed based on the new regulations. Because we want to see if we have reached the goal of the project and achieved the type of development that the city wants. We will prepare a presentation about the upcoming meeting. Once again, we will return to discuss further with the community advisory committee and other groups. In the end, we will meet with the staff to evaluate all inputs that we receive from the public, evaluate the test results, and identify changes that need to be made to the regulation plan. So at the end of Phase 4, we will receive all entries from the end of Phase 3. We will receive all entries from the end of Phase 4. We will include it in the Zonasi Regulation Plan in the balance and prepare what we call the Public Opinion Plan from the newly updated regulations. This is the version of the regulation that is ready to be submitted to the Planning Commission to be reviewed and recommended, then submitted to the City Council to be adopted. We will also prepare an executive summary to provide a general picture of the new regulations, which shows the substantial difference between the new regulations and the current regulations. As part of this, when the regulations are completed, we will help in the adoption process. However, we will prepare the final version of the adopted regulations and send it to the staff so that it can be codified. So there is one more set of tasks after phase 5. In phase 6, the first thing that will be done is to prepare the procedure manual and application form. The procedure manual is a kind of user guide on how to use the newly updated rules. You know exactly what will be included, something that we need to discuss with the staff, but will include information on how to do it. You can also include information on how to continue with the type of general development application, application requirements, special application. A web site to send a development application, a type of permit that you may need, people in the city staff who can be contacted if you have questions about the development application. This is a type of material that you usually do not include in the regulations because it can change. If you have a name and phone number, you do not want to include it in the regulations and need the city council to update it. We think this is a tool that can be very helpful in educating the public about how to develop and the main steps in the development process. As part of Phase VI, we will also prepare training materials and conduct training on the newly updated regulations. We will work with staff to identify what it looks like, but this can be a training aimed at staff, developers, land owners, and the general public in general. A little more about community involvement. You know, we have talked before about the importance of community involvement and building consensus through projects. Based on our experience, we are transparent about the progress of projects when people have the opportunity to give input and tell them that their input is taken seriously, it is very important for the success of adoption. There will be no more controversial issues that arise during this process, and the earlier we can identify it and try to develop a compromise or reach a consensus, the greater the possibility that when we reach the end of the project and enter the adoption phase, adoption will be easier. So, various project phases require various types of involvement. So that's what we're trying to do with the staff. We are planning various ways to spread information, but you can expect there will be an open house event like what we will hold in a few minutes. Direct meetings like what we do for many of you during the first stage of this launch, the workshop and the pop-up event. you know the purpose is to really educate the public about zonasi in general and about SDO in general and also tell them how the revision we made through this project can affect them and can affect the city once again there is a project website on the Engage Lancaster website you can find it there you can see there is a special tab there on the website We will update it as the project goes on with information about the renewal of the project status and all the results that we produce. This presentation presentation will also be available there, evaluation of the regulation plan. So that will be your information center about this renewal. So at the very end, I want to discuss some potential priorities that we have identified. This is based on discussions with our staff about your comprehensive plan and our advice on your regulations as well as our knowledge of the best zoning practices and the ways we think we can do to improve your regulations. So, a lot of this comes from, you know, we have learned a lot from meetings with community members, with meetings, with community advisory committees that are not reflected in this slide deck, because we have had many meetings over the last three days. However, we have identified several priorities from Lancaster in the future, as well as our research team on how the current regulations are arranged and arranged, as well as planned. So, we will briefly explain some of the priorities that we have identified, which may also be your priorities. First, one of the main planning systems identified in the comprehensive plan is to strengthen the environment and housing. We feel that there is a lot of room in the regulations to help with this by allowing various types of housing and summarizing the licensing process to facilitate the development of more types of housing in more cities. Expand economic opportunities. Houses clearly play an important role in this, so there are opportunities that we feel can encourage affordable and affordable housing. affordable housing, i.e. affordable housing for people with a certain income, but also affordable income, i.e. affordable housing at a market price that is also affordable for people who are not too rich, but only new developments with affordable prices and in the form that can be affordable by most residents. We have heard a lot about the accessories supply unit. We think there is a chance to clarify the process in the regulations. to facilitate various types of retail spaces, you know, in general, to facilitate business opening and also to update the living rules of the house again to facilitate economic space at home. Connecting people and places during group meetings is our focus. We have talked a lot about it. We think there are a lot of opportunities there. And there are access and road standards. I know the city is updating it now too. And we will ensure that it is integrated into the updated regulations. So that we have a consistent set of standards that fully supports not only people who commute, but also people who walk, bike, and use public transportation. grow more green. So we know that sustainability is one of the main priorities of the city. We have heard a lot about the interaction between sustainability and rainwater, trees on the road, and other regulations. So we want to ensure that we can maintain a focus on sustainability and greener growth, while eliminating obstacles that may be difficult to continue some of the developments that the city wants to see. So we will see it as well as eliminate some obstacles for the type of rainwater infrastructure with low impact and also consider regulations to protect the Kosoga River. Finally, building community and capacity. We feel it is important for the community to have a set of land development regulations that can be understood by the entire community, so that it is not a kind of black art that requires someone to interpret it for you, but as much as possible have a set of clear and understandable standards. So, if you are a landowner who wants to work on a small project in your property, if you are a landowner who wonders how a neighbor or someone at the end of the road can use their property, or if you are a member of the Planning Commission, a member of the City Council, a member of the Staff, or a developer, to ensure that everyone has the same understanding of what the zoning and SDO regulations require, as well as the route to get approval for a project. So we think there are a lot of opportunities to rewrite codes, add graphics, format, clean up, a lot of languages, make sure every usage is defined, just to make rules that everyone can understand. And we think, you know, we have talked a lot about procedures and requirements to go to various committees with opinions to get a certificate. We think there is an opportunity to simplify that procedure. So we have examples from other codes. Your code is currently on the left. In the other products on the bottom right. You know the use of tables that use simple colors and designs, as well as graphics that help illustrate the desired form of development in a district. So that's all we can say for the presentation. We want to give a little space now. I know you all have other agendas, but to see if you all have any feedback that you want to consider before we continue the development of code evaluation.

I have a few questions and if you don't mind.

So can you move the microphone?

So in step 5 you have mentioned the timeline and I don't remember if it's like 26 months, 24 and 25 months. So do you anticipate that at the bottom of step 5, that's where we will have the implementation of this new regulation, which means like signed, signed, approved by the City Council Planning Commission, all parties that need to be involved.

So the purpose is to have several ways, I want to answer it. So for this project as a whole, the purpose is to have a regulation plan, a public opinion hearing plan that is ready through the implementation process at the beginning of the year 2028. So around Two years after we started. We started in April.

So the end. Be ready to go through the implementation process, let's say early 2018 or around 2028.

The other part is that we have talked to the staff and we understand that there are some important issues that people have wanted to deal with since the beginning. Some of them are about housing. So we work with the staff. We will continue to work with them. They are to identify changes. What can we try to speed up and try to make it safe and sound in line with your current rules so that it can happen, you know, at the end of this year, early next year. so that some policy changes that we will identify in the code assessment and what we have heard from all stakeholders that we have found can become earlier laws and then we will continue and apply it in complete and updated rules in a comprehensive way.

And I have a question about that. Let's continue, but I will skip it because I think it will take time. So in order to save time, let's continue. Interaction space. Okay, I would like to ask you to consider the involvement with the local school district and involve children and student populations in our community as well as a bigger worship place or group that unites community members naturally. So it's easy to get their input. I think it's important for us to get as much community participation as possible in this process. In the process of participating in the community, you know, I am not involved in the place of worship, so I will never know if I will not go to devotion or anything. So I just want to make sure that there is a thought to involve the owner of the house who may not too involved in the city. So I don't know if that's it, you know, I went home a few days ago and there was a holiday that depended on my door. I don't know if that's part of our process. Okay, I just want to make sure that we deliberately try to maximize the opportunity to get community involvement. And then you have mentioned in some things, you has mentioned to make work easier. Reformation, proper zoning, so that businesses can be opened. And I fully support that. I think I just want to make sure that how you will make sure or make sure that the business is really in accordance with the design of the environment. We have recently experienced a situation where a business is opened in a block that does not provide any benefit for the owner of the business that is right next to it. So I just want to make sure that we are fully focused on supporting businesses that complement each other and really support the growth of our small local market. And lastly, you have the graphics included in the zoning training manual, maybe. I don't remember what it is. It's like the last slide.

Unfortunately, I don't have it. You know that the world is developing faster than I think anyone can predict in the end. So I just want to understand how you make sure that the graphic remains eternal from the point of view of design, because you know that design is developing, community development is also developing. So I'm just worried if something like that is involved in zoning regulations. How will you make sure that there is internal flexibility? I think individuals do not have to build exactly the same thing so that they have flexibility in what they do.

And you know, this is from other communities that have this example, from other communities that have a very different form of development from Lancaster. So we don't include this to imply that that's how it looks, but to show that that's the kind of illustration we include. We will ensure that our illustrations are consistent with the existing city shape and the shape of the city that is intended to be related to the size of the coupling and the return distance or not and the use of the building line. We explain that this is an illustrative feature and the purpose is to describe the standard dimensions of how high your building is. If there is a backward distance or if there is a building zone, you know the minimum-maximum distance that you can travel from the road to describe the action, and we will ensure that it is consistent with the type of development that you have. However, you are right that development preferences change over time. We will not promise that the development code that we give to you, which was adopted at the beginning of the year 2028, will last for 10, 20, 30 years. That is something that needs to be changed over time. Okay, but we will make sure that the city has the original graphics so that they can make innovations in the future when the preferences change.

Awesome, thank you. Speaking of which, I should start with a good presentation. The presentation is very smooth. I immediately answered my question. Not good.

So, once again, a good presentation.

I'm happy to be with you today. I just want to continue from my... So, from... From the perspective of the Planning Commission, from the perspective of time, when will we be involved in the following? Did you mention the KISATU-2008 that is currently being presented? Okay, we haven't set any kind of involvement in the coming phase. We want to try to be flexible. We don't want to promise something too much and decide that you know the form of the meeting or with whom we will meet. I think we will definitely get back to the evaluation stage and at each stage and present it to all of you. I think that's something that needs to be discussed. You know we can discuss it with the city staff, but I think it will be very helpful if you all also convey your preferences to the city staff. We are certainly flexible and hope to involve all community members as much as we can during the process. I think you have mentioned a little before about you will accelerate. I think you are talking about housing as one of them. I think that is something that we have talked about. There is no decision made yet, but if there is something that you think should be a priority, right? So I think with the two priorities that you may think of or consider that are still in place, I will encourage you and I am not at all a person who likes to delay the process, but I will definitely encourage the involvement of this team as much as possible. I am not afraid to get involved and really give feedback in any way. Thank you.

This may be a question for city planners and also you. When we look at the concept, such as what is the shape of the city's core, or what is the shape of a multi-purpose housing, and so on, I assume the regional regulations may also discuss the height. What is part of the regional regulations? There is a method that we will use to calculate city capacity in handling things like that.

Because I know that at some point we have several ambitious plans submitted to the city, and they can use things like water capacity or other utilities to say, you know, we will not build a 14-story building in this part of the city again. Is that something that we will discuss as part of this discussion or part of this plan?

That's actually not part of zoning. I mean, of course, you know the important considerations. However, if you look at zoning regulations like now, you will not find that information. So the starting point is, you know, the zoning regulations as they are now. And then to see what is lost, what needs to be changed, what needs to be changed, what needs to be lost, what needs to be maintained. So I will happily give it to Betsy if the answer is wrong. But I don't think we will evaluate it.

So it's okay to be indifferent to something like that. It doesn't have to be something that we like.

I mean, especially because it will develop.

Because we often hear things like, 65 feet appeared when you read the article in the newspaper. Like, oh, this is 64 feet and they have to get an extension. Maybe not.

Maybe in terms of height. The height will be evaluated, because that's part of the zoning regulations.

Are there any other questions? If not, we will send our presenter to the Open House event.

Jika Anda memiliki pertanyaan lebih lanjut, jangan ragu untuk bertanya kepada salah satu staff.

Anda dapat mengirimkan pertanyaan kepada saya dan saya akan meneruskan. Tentu saja.

Kami akan dengan senang hati menjawab pertanyaan. Terima kasih atas kesempatannya. Jika Anda semua selesai lebih awal, kami mengundang Anda untuk datang ke acara Open House. Dan kami tentu saja dengan senang hati berbicara dengan Anda secara pribadi.

Terima kasih banyak. Terima kasih. Terima kasih. No. 4, Subdivision and Land Development.

Good evening. I am Ben Morton, landscape architect at Airgas Associates, and we are the design consultant for the Lancaster City for this project. I think some of you may not be here in May, but we made the initial presentation of this project not long after we submitted the first proposal for our land development plan in May. And since then we have held a number of meetings that are very useful with city staff to discuss many comments that we got. And yesterday I was very happy to get a comment letter that was revised or updated, which most of the problem has been solved. I will tell you. That's what you all got at 7 pm last night. Together. But I think, Navin, if you want to continue to the next slide, just to remember what we are talking about. This is 150 Pitney Road, a combination of city elements. There is a purple water administration building on the right side of the screen, a Kondi Soga water processing plant on the west side. which is located at the southern end, there is a construction site that has already been demolished with color. In the remaining area, there is the Pinus Konosoga Park as well as a swimming pool and pool used by Lancaster Rec. We have one. It's further back, but it seems you don't like it. Okay, there is no big display that shows where. Place the elements that we have enlarged in the location. Okay, I can accept it. Roughly, the area that used to be a construction site that was carved with an old green color, I'm sure in the middle, roughly, was in the area between me. I think so. A kind of silver and gold color. and there is a kind of construction area that is being expanded and then right next to the east there is a salt storage building as well as a larger storage building as well as the right archip for city documents. Let's discuss some of the reasons, because we have talked with the Public Works Department of the Construction Division and the operations that are causing this. You know, this is really a generation-wide investment in urban capacity to do maintenance, repair, daily necessities. You know, on urban property and also public roads. So, especially salt storage buildings, there are buildings that are in bad condition, but can only hold salt for, I'm sure, two small snowstorms, maybe two-inch-high snowstorms. And after that, the city tries to get salt while we are still in the middle of the cold season and other things may happen. This facility will make it possible for you to know the need for annual salt that is generally bought in large quantities, which is cheaper and then available. Storage buildings will also help store various types of equipment that you may not always think of. But everything that is used to cut grass in the city park and other facilities, cleaning the leaves, doing various types of cleaning, and many of these tools at the moment, the way of storage is very inefficient, and this will make it possible to be protected and handled in a much more efficient way. And once again, with the expansion of the construction site, there is a consolidation of materials that are used by the city to make this effort more efficient. I think maybe it's just to highlight something that has really been developed since before. If you look at one more slide, I think we have realized through this process that the city's rainwater regulation does require the construction of riverside paths in a flood zone as high as 100 feet. There are several other nuances that are outlined in several areas where the flood zone is not determined. So this colored area will be inserted into the corridor on the side of the permanent river, which limits what can be done in that area in the future. Then, if we continue to the next one, there are other elements here. There are many trees that are planted in the development site. by planting a number of general-sized trees around the building area, then through coordination and enthusiastic support from Rimbawan Perkotaan, planting young trees in rainwater ponds. So this will not be a mixture of grass fields or grass ponds, but there will be many areas where we plant trees in those facilities, will bring us to a certain point from the day of the replacement of the important plants that are needed for the project. However, by understanding that not everything can fit into this map, the green area will now be part of the forest management plan that is being developed by the City Council and there will be a block at the top of this bar that will record the date and the action of the plan. However, it will allow The planting of additional trees to fulfill the requirements of other important trees in the forest that are already there, which have been recorded by the City Council, are not too productive in terms of ecological services, and there are other species that need to be introduced, and instead of doing it with ordinary trees, two and a half inch trees, which we do for the replacement of important trees, replacement, it would be better to do it with how to restore the ecology by planting smaller trees that will be managed through urban revitalization, and I create a vision for sustainability and the working environment. And I will also note that the forest management plan is a key element of the non-structural BMP that is used in this project. So, even though there is no certain volume of credit or something in the rain, the progress of the plan helps to meet the requirements of the green infrastructure design manual.

Upper left corner Upper left corner is a pond

I have a hard time imagining where the swimming pool and the pool are.

The pool? The swimming pool? I mean, if we haven't discussed the landscape, we can discuss it there, but I might open it.

I have a question. We lost several hectares of property, which is the Kenostoga Pines Park, and I really opened up a plan, the Kenostoga Pines Engage, in Lancaster, which was involved a few years ago, and the plan was successful. A large garden in the picture and has an area as a garden that is now used as a salt storage warehouse. So we lost the garden and I thought buying used goods at discounted prices was a good idea and placing equipment inside that will extend the use of it is a good idea, but I'm also worried about the lack of green spaces. And I know we're talking about this in May, In addition to managing the forest better there, which is a forest that is quite muddy, there are not many good ecological things that happen there. That is the habitat and used by the residents of the city. And I think I want to see the city as a separate property. Like owning a park. And maybe I don't know that. Like I don't want to keep losing the park. I'm worried about watching that.

What I mean is, what we have done, I brought it back after listening to it for the last time, and part of what I heard was a guess that you know this is not a facility intended to be expanded in any way. This is really something that is being done now, and even from The point of view of funding, like when I used that phrase, like this generation's investment is not something that the city will be in a position to say, we really have to add this. And that is part of the strategy to define very clearly in this plan, both the river corridor area and the forest management plan is, in my opinion, to strengthen more in these documents, what the meaning of the area is. And at least from, you know, Saya tidak ingin berbicara atas nama semua staff yang terlibat, tetapi dari pemahaman saya tentang hal itu. Ada konsensus bahwa pertukaran ini, tetapi dengan jenis investasi itu adalah sesuatu yang pada dasarnya staff, termasuk mereka, yang terlibat dalam mempertimbangkan masa depan Taman Pinus Kanosoga merasa tepat.

a limited type of activity.

Unfortunately, I don't have it right in front of me. I know there is a promise, a standard right of responsibility that has a quota related to it.

I can try and open it on my computer if I have time. But I can't.

One thing I would like to say is that because the majority of the area is defined related to a 100-year flood area or in an area that does not have a flood area that is established, I am sure that 35 feet horizontally outside the peak, and that is an area that will certainly not be allowed for new buildings. I think sometimes there may be some elements that you know. That's the kind of thing where you finally see recreation in the form of wooden sidewalks for access or something like that in the arrangement like that. But of course that's not the area. developed with the construction or the surface of other reservoirs.

Additional restrictions. So, there are additional restrictions outside of the water and rain restrictions and the restrictions on the control of erosive sediments related to the right to cross.

Well, and I know another element is that it places the city in a position to monitor the area for invasive species and then manage it. That is one of the key elements that I remember from the requirements.

It is said that because of the nature of the project, there are some limitations that are required. Can you explain it?

Of course. So, and I think a number of these things can be grouped together. There are a number of requirements related to the requirements for the improvement of the general face of the road in connection with the explanation of the road, the sidewalk, the sidewalk, the sidewalk, road closures, and things like that. And those things are actually discussed, you know, among various departments at the beginning of the project. And what I noticed was that the changes in Pitney Road were not desired by the city, and especially those related to sidewalks and the improvement of footpaths. The logic is that on the east side of the road there will be a road that is being built and then the city has an additional plan on how the road is connected to other pedestrian infrastructure in the north of the park. And remember the path that comes out from the west side of Pitney Road. To add, there will be additional forests that are lost in that area. So there is a group there that discusses a list that is called improvements that are needed, which covers a number of those items. However, it is the sidewalks that are limited, the sidewalks along the road that exist. The crossroads and crossroads of the ADEA road are again considered by ... I think in some of these things, especially CSD Davidson feels that we need to look for lightness for that. Although there is no road crossing that will be provided in this area, but remember that part of the regulation is there, we need to do it. Then with a different group, we have several things related to planting. So the size of the replacement tree is important, you know. Usually, The trees need to be installed as 2.5-inch trees above the direction of the city's forestry officer. We are developing this plan with trees that will enter the rainwater facility as young trees because the growth potential is better. There is a challenge to install a larger type of tree in such a place. And then when we do it, you know, because the work in the future will be done with trees in the forest management plan area once again creates a problem that is needed to plant trees measuring two and a half inches will have a bad impact on the trees in the area and that is why young trees will be used there We then also have one related to diversity, planting in SDO. And honestly, I don't really understand why this is needed because we, of course, have exceeded the number of species of trees needed when 100 trees or more are planted. The City Council has asked us to submit this request, but then supports its agreement because

So I think I have to moderate a little and in my opinion, what TN tried to explain here is that all of this basically happens literally in one city department. So this is the Department of Public Works, and this building is part of the Public Works Operation. The City Hall is also in Public Works. Sustainable Planning, Environmental Planning is also in Public Works. So all these people see the same plan and they try to achieve a point where they can reach a kind of consensus. So you really have both sides, even with the staff who are working on this plan. And I think the amount of negligence is meant to reflect the level of transparency because the city basically gives permission for something. So by doing that, Everything needs to be recorded, so that it will never come back to say, well, they did this, or they did this, or the city allowed this. So this is the number, monitoring, and as suggested by TN, Morton, CSD, Davidson, the number is slightly above and beyond what you usually see in the effort of full transparency in the future. So, you know, good or bad, everything is shown.

I think by looking at the list again, I mean, of course, there are some of our readings. Regarding the regulations, there is no oversight needed. Because we are not really reaching the threshold or we are fulfilling what should be. However, because the direction of the city staff is very careful and transparent, and with the support of CSD Davidson, it is that the oversight must be asked. So, of course, there are some of them that are really dispensational, and there are others that are included in that category.

Could you explain which one is included in what category?

What I mean is related to the improvement of roads, of course. It is a dispensation from the general road conditions. But I think this is one of the cases where Pitney Road is not. on the normal city roads. We are in normal improvement that will be needed after you return to this side of the river and in the urban environment, we will not be suitable along that road. And especially remembering the improvement of footpaths that will come to this area, they feel that it really works better than adding other roads along this road. I think the planting that I described, what I mean is dispensing and modification of how to plant trees, but that is one of the professional perspectives. The advantage of the city about what is best for the growth of trees here, he feels like this is actually a better way to do it. The alternative is that we may try to plant a little more. and then we are in a strange place because there are no trees growing in the city itself. Regarding trees that are not too needed, I mean the diversity of plants is one of the things that I now have more than the minimum number of species of trees needed for the number of trees that are planted. Garbage collection is another thing that has a certain limit to see garbage, including public roads, property, and parking places outside the location, and we do not fulfill any guidelines that require garbage collection. Garbage places are placed in this area and collected by plants and or buildings of the park itself. Garbage places are not collected by traditional garbage places. some trash places. Other than that, in my opinion, we do not need, but have some unique things. Monuments, signposts, crossroads, and border. This is a kind of strange land area where we have the entire area along the river, where we have a boundary line based on what has been plotted in the previous plan, but actually the river is not a separator, so we do not have a dam and a distance along the river itself. So, some of the things that have been mentioned are to place markers along the boundaries that are basically determined by the river. Then, the guarantee of repair construction is something that is not owned by the city, and we have experienced this with other public projects, even with non-city entities, will not provide financial security for themselves only because of the mechanism.

So I understand the transparency component of this. I think my concern is that if there is no supervision that is needed based on the project, I am not sure if I want to propose a supervision that should not be a condition from the beginning. And I also think that because everyone is in a certain department, I am worried Do we need the third party to monitor this project to ensure that we have the third party, namely S.J. Davidson, but they are the contractor. So, even though I know they are the third party, technically they are like the extension of the team in this city to support the ongoing project. I really respect RGS Associates and their level of professionalism and I think this is not at all to fall into the city. I just want to make sure that everything is done because this is not a normal request. We will not allow things like this. We will not ask developers to do this. So why do we make ourselves as a city to do it? So, in my opinion, my level of comfort will be better if we remove unnecessary light because it does not meet the needs for it and also consider involving the third party such as I test this as a party that is not part of the city. And that will be the decision you will make. So you have to determine what you want to do. So with any ease, and I explain this in the email I sent, there is no ease that Of course, you can remove the weight. I want everything to be integrated so that you have everything in one place. You can remove it and you can pass motions to support a certain weight and nothing else. My two reminders for you as a planning commission is how comfortable you are with the rules because this is more of a technical problem. So how comfortable are you with the rules and start erasing the rules in your agreement? Because by removing the lightness and if you feel uncomfortable and if you need more information, then the right action is to delay. So, unless you want it, I mean, other than just rejecting it and if you feel you need to get more information, then the right action is to delay it. However, in, or if it is as far as it goes, I mean, the only thing we can do is we can go back to C.S. Davidson, and we can, the city can talk to C.S. Davidson, and of course RGS, about the removal of some barriers that make you uncomfortable, and then they can come back. I can't guarantee what the result will be. I can tell you that having someone who is completely different to test this is most likely not going to happen. You can ask for it in any way and it will continue. But in the end, this is something that is supported by the DPW director. and at a certain point it will reach the threshold. I'm just giving you information, I'm not telling you what to do. You are an independent commission and you can choose whether to continue it, what will be done next. That's all for you. You can follow the executive session if you feel like having a discussion among yourself about it. Those are all choices for you. I just want to make sure that I give you the information that I have, so that you can make the right decision. Thank you, Lauren. That's very helpful. And I think, I think my concern is, as noted by TM Morten, that if we ask for lightness for something that the project does not need to be asked for, That is the lightness that I want to convey, I want him to explain it almost to the list and say, as you know, 295.3 is that we do not meet the limit for this. You know, 295.5 is the limit for that. I'm not sure I'm in a comfortable position to agree on a lightness that does not meet the requirements required for the plan. So there are a few things you can do. You can remove the lightness that you do not agree with, and you can delay and ask them to come back to determine whether they will continue the lightness or not. That's one option. You can remove the lightness and you can give voice to the lightness that you agree with. And you can give a voice of agreement on conditions that only happen for that lightness. It means if they come back and say, no, we want all lightness, that means they will be considered not to be agreed with. It will be rejected. So if they can do it, if they don't meet the requirements, then it will be rejected. So in my opinion, once again, I'm just pushing you to think about the process you want to take. TN, please tell us. The safest way if you want TN to discuss or discuss which criteria do you think do not meet Limits. And the lightness that Bay C Boral Laissez-Vous wants to be removed by the Commission, then you can certainly do it. And we can do it. And you as a Commission can give a voice to delay and re-examine it. I mean, basically, you know because your choice is always in delay. Agree directly, agree with conditions or reject. So, thinking about those choices, I mean, personally, I don't think we need more information, like...

If I can, I don't mean to disagree, but if we can discuss each other, and that might help. We can start at least to mark which one you like, I agree with this, and we can get to the point to see if we can get there. Or is there more information needed? I think the problem is, I even just thought about it now. You know, the challenge is maybe in some things where I say I'm not really sure we'll need it. And in my mind, the reason is It is not a good modification that is made or an impact that will result from neglect or modification. At the same time, based on the fact that the city inspection technician has told us, you need to ignore this condition if It's not a problem. Do I think we don't need to ignore that? I mean, my task is to assure the city staff and third party technicians that we don't need to ignore this because of this interpretation. But so far, I have failed in this. So that the Planning Bureau and all other departments in the city can continue to agree with this plan after you agree with it and allow us to get a building permit, they will return and say, yes, you don't need it. We say you need this lightness because our interpretation is you need this lightness. My view of these things is that what you agree with is a very minimal change or almost nothing is given. So, the precedent that has been set does not actually worry. In that case, because you provide light on something that is really provided, unlike if I come to you and say, everyone can see trash everywhere and you have to give it because the city wants it. I think that's the other way around. But I know this is a long list and some of it will be repeated a little, but we can discuss it in more detail if it helps

In my opinion, I think we can stop for a moment and allow the commissary to ask a few questions. They may be able to give a little clarification or a different opinion on the conversation.

There are some dispensations that I am not sure about.

What are the implications of the schedule?

if your schedule is moved to another district and during that time you can ask again so that TN can return to the city and once again you know to try not to need a dispensation and I will report back to CSD Davidson on the basis of which dispensation in your opinion is not needed But once again, I will only encourage you to ensure that you have a good understanding of the rules, because C.S. Davidson did it. Thank you.

Maybe you can react to me about this. When we look at the diagram, whatever the name of the map you show us, seven hectares look like a big collapse. If the entrance is a road, which is actually not, it looks like a garden development. Because you have a water channel on one side, you have another building on the other side, and you take a parking space. And once again, I'm just trying to explain it with a general term, but you take a parking space and develop it into something that has better land use.

The only difficulty is that it is an entrance road, not a road. So we have one address and now we see all these changes that are usually needed because it is an entrance road that actually does not touch any of the work that is being done.

So all the modifications that are done basically do not need this modification because this is the work that is done in the middle of the property and the property It does not make sense to install an explanation, a trottoir, a repair, something like this here. Is the hearing correct? Do I see it in the right way?

Because it looks very in line with the flow of property, which suggests that we want to plant trees to do things. However, in the end, I think we will have an organism that is very alive and breathable that will be given by God to us.

No, but I think there are two things there.

I think the first is to take the last part first. I think that's what really makes Limbawan a city, as well as the closeness that occurs in terms of ability to really make improvements to the forest. And yes, then in terms of exclusivity, from the general road, I mean, that is one of the elements here and we of course have overcome it in other projects and it varies from time to time I mean, I have to note, I mean, this is just an evolution of various things, but in 2019 there was actually a plan for the development of land that was agreed for the same location, this is for safe storage buildings, and that is the less impactful development The scale is smaller, but it is agreed without needing any lightness that we get now related to the improvement of the front. Because at that time, the city view routinely implied that when you have a road and you do a development that is far from the road in this vast land area, it does not even need lightness. And the fact is, we also do not show all the property limits in the plan. So it's interesting to note that In this case, I also think that you know, if we want to discuss it with the improvement of road rights, where we really get light on various things, I mean, there are alternative elements that are provided in the near future through other projects that lead to the city feeling comfortable with the highway as it is, and several other components from what slope that is close to the road. So of course you know, if there are other comments, do it first. However, if we want to discuss each other more closely, because I think if you decide to delay or agree with a limited number of restrictions and we will return to make it useful, we are sure, both from the staff's side and for me, it is necessary to know very clearly which things can not be accepted and ignored, so that we can deal with it, both on the side of investigation, with CFD Davidson, and people on the side of the Public Works Department, and then also project sponsors.

So I think I just want to know, the question is not continued, for some of my previous comments. You have mentioned that the technical department needs this. However, you have also noted in your initial assessment of your project that you do not believe that some meet the limitations for the requirements. So I'm confused. Why do city technicians force you to give leniency if the project does not necessarily meet the limitations?

I mean, the search for a garbage site may be the best example for me, and I do not have the right words for that one, but I am sure that the requirements for the search for a garbage site involve the requirement that the garbage site must be visible from the public road, property of the house, or a parking space outside the building. There is no certainty that what is happening in our area is a place of garbage. However, CSD Davidson has stated that we must obtain the lightness of the requirements because we do not provide them. So, I am a bit trapped here because I need to ask for the lightness of the requirements. And once again, If we do not get it, then other elements of the city say, but that lightness requires what you do. So, in my opinion, although in this case it is a fairly clear reading of the regulations, my opinion actually does not have a weight of regulation here. And that will not make us look bad.

Indeed, if we are directed to modify the regulations for modification, we will not look bad, right?

I think that's what I'm trying to understand or understand. As you know, this is not a general request, a developer who works on a private project will not come to us and ask for this. Yes, that's not necessarily the case. I mean, there are all the same rules that we see with any developer, right. I mean, so there is no imbalance here.

Yes, and that's what I mean. I can understand that that's the problem. I can certainly discuss it this way. I think the only thing here is something that the developer really can't ask for and can't fix is the guarantee of repair construction. And that's only because once again, here is a city that is committed to building this. So giving a credit card to the city does not give a purpose, as is done when you deal with private development. You know, and in all other cases, I think, with the improvement of the future, we can talk about why I can ask that from others. In this case, we have several additional elements that we sometimes have in the past. Then when we get to some cases where I think we have fulfilled it, as far as I can see, we have fulfilled it, that means what you give is in the minimum. So I know it feels weird, but that's where I think it's not true. President, hey, they obeyed this requirement, now everyone can do it. Hey, because the reality is that the obeying happens in a situation where you know, basically, it's in line with the rules. I understand that this is a strange situation. So allow me to explain it.

Let's talk about trash. Okay, because that's a very easy question. Okay, so I like to talk about trash. But this is a very easy example. So they are looking for a way to install garbage dumps because there will be garbage dumps. Another way, but in our current rules, you must install garbage dumps. So what they say is, we don't want garbage dumps because there will be plants around it. It will be the same for anyone. Will you admit it? I don't know. You know, to be honest, I don't know if it's someone else, if it's a private developer.

Are we going to cause trouble?

To be honest, I don't know the answer. But what I can say is that what shouldn't happen is someone comes and says, hey, they don't put a sink around their trash and they ask me to put it on my property. So to avoid that, We say, ask for leniency. Because you don't put up a fence. We know you put up a fence. We know no one can see the trash. But we ask for other people, not in other cases. And sometimes we may neglect it for them too. Other people can get it. You can say, anyone can ask for the lightness of the trash in front of the trash can. However, in some cases it seems to say yes, and in some cases it seems to say no. And sometimes you don't see it too often. So, sometimes the negotiation takes place earlier in the process. So, it is possible in other plans, if it is a private developer. Morten may say, oh, but we will have all of this and we will do all of this. And we will say, okay, and no one will complain about it. However, if someone walks through the city center and says, Hey, why don't they put a safe around their trash?

That's why.

Yes, it will happen, but everyone gets that comment. You may not see that comment because it may appear very early in the process and may be negotiated after many different perspectives about the plan. However, in this case, we do not negotiate anything. I don't know if that helps. So, it's about the trash.

Not about the trash. Where is the line of the use path together? For several years, it's been like this. Because people walk on pitney roads. They are working on it. There are many people who want it. They are working on it. That's good. They are working on it. Thank you.

One last question about Trotoar, ADA, the crossing of the DLL road, except that Emily and I are looking at it and she reminds me how messy the alley is there. But is that the purpose of the alley? Does it push the decision that there is no Trotoar or there is no Trotoar because it is in a somewhat strange area? However, is this like a Manheim Pike situation where we consider the beginning of the Trotoar network and this is like the beginning?

So, I mean, my understanding, this is like two parts and let me know if I am not discussing the exact area from this, but my understanding is that with Jalur Penggunaan Bersama yang dipasang di sepanjang Pirni Road idenya adalah bahwa itu benar-benar akan dapat mengatasi lalu lintas pejalan kaki di sepanjang bagian depan ini dan bahwa mematuhi persyaratan dan mengharuskan adanya trotoar di sisi lain jalan yang akan menyebabkan tantangan karena hanya satu yang perlu membatasi hak jalan pendot dan kemudian Because of the location of the border, all of that will push out that slope, so it will have an impact on more forests. Permission will be a challenge with a short E there. And only in that case, I mean, there is an element such as the improvement of the road, when there is a common use lane, it does not feel like the use of the right city resources. You know the same way as the lighting along there. The feeling is that this is not a location that wants to have the same level of lighting as the one you have here at the city center and the lighting that is already in place. So, although that is another thing that we have found to have developed recently, where we did not get comments about the explanation as long as there were several explanations in the area and the technician felt that it was fine. And now it often becomes a comment that then requires caution for something that was previously only agreed through the staff screening process.

If there are no additional comments from the Planning and Public Commission that appear, I will not have difficulty proposing motions.

So I will only remind you that I have actually sent what is in the SC. I just want to make it as easy as possible. I don't have all the patience.

I think we have to do one and two separately. So I'll start with one because it involves a lot of readers.

You have to do it separately and you have to read all of it. I know that, but this is to be recorded.

Do we have any additional questions? Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, I would like to propose a motion to approve the violation of the Regulation on the Distribution of Territories and the Development of This Land, which is related to 150 Pitney Road. And I will read all of this to be recorded. Section 253. Five improvements that are needed. Section 253. Number 1, the border along the existing road. Section 265.3. J1, the road along the existing road. Section 265. 3J, 7 roads. Landai, ADA. Section 265.33. K1, crossing the road. Section 263. 1A, there is a road crossing. Section 265.3M. 1, 4, road tree, section 265. N, 3, size, tree, replacement, marker, section 265. 1, 11, A, section 60, road 26, 33, P, 2. Section of plant diversity, section 265. search for trash. We understand. Section 265P, road access requirements. Section 253P, monuments and landmarks. Section 263P, road and land limits. Section 264P, repair construction guarantees. And section 236, C, trees, roads.

I don't want to support that approach.

We have an approach on the floor and also support for the part that is read from section 253 to Are you ready for the question? Everyone who agrees, please convey it by saying i. I will abstain. We have one abstain. Done. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

A little easier. I would like to appeal to agree on the terms and conditions of the land development request for 150 Pitney Road, waiting for the satisfaction of all the comments that were issued. On the notice of staff on August 13, 2026. That's actually... The letter itself.

Yes, the one that was renewed, right? That's for the 19th of today.

I'm sorry.

It's tonight. 18-08-2026. Thank you for your clarification. We have an appeal on the floor on the 18th.

And the second one.

Are you ready for the question? All those who agree, please tell me.

I will abstain again.

Me. Me. Me. Five people agree and one abstain. Those who agree, the order is accepted.

Thank you.

Number five, management. Number six, staff report.

In order to save time and so that anyone who wants to attend the Open House can attend, we will continue the staff report.

If there are any public comments that you hear and don't see,

So, this is more of a question and we don't need to answer it tonight. I will convey it and maybe we can have a discussion.

Actually, no, I will only say that I will include it as another business, because this is not public. It's okay.

So, another business, Governor Shapiro recently signed the executive order that requires the data center to have the right

I want to know how it works with two data centers that are currently running. And is there an executive order that will affect these projects? And once again, we can discuss this later. I know that there is a higher priority. I just want to note that I want to discuss it and how the decision of the city affects our two projects.

So, I have a motion to postpone the meeting. I have a motion to postpone the meeting. I agree. We have a motion to support the meeting. All of you agree, not by saying I ...