City Commission - Regular Meeting

i don't know why i brought my whole work i brought everything i've been reading federal law all day don't you love a federal opinion 74 pages later we used to say that but now we say this and here's why and a page of sites to go back madam mayor it is 602 you know what we're doing and we're good evening everyone and No. Oh, yeah. And welcome to the Tuesday, July 21st meeting of the City of Lake Worth Commission, Lake Worth Beach Commission. May we have the roll call?

Mayor Betty Resch.

Here.

Vice Mayor Mimi May. Present. Commissioner Sarah Maliga. Present. Commissioner Christopher McVoy.

Here.

Commissioner Anthony Sigrich. Here.

Present. Thank you. Ms. May will invoke silence, and then the pledge will be led by Mr. Segridge. Ms. May will invoke silence? Invoke silence.

Okay, well, let's invoke silence. That's easier. Sounds good to me. I do actually want to say something. You took me very, very well. I know, but I do really want to say something.

Literally, say whatever you want.

No, I was just thinking about how one of our residents recently had a stroke and just how precious every minute of our life is and that you have no idea when it's going to change. You know, we had with the recent loss on the scooter and the stroke and it's just every day is gift. And I just want us to remember that and think about what we do with our days. You know, when we go to bed at night, are we proud of ourselves? Amen. Amen.

To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, in terms of additions, deletions, and reordering, Beth Harrelson, who was not able to make a Zoom meeting last night, is able to make the Zoom meeting today for a quick interview. Is there any objection to that happening right now? It's, well, I have it because I have my packet from last night. I have my packet. Well, they didn't redo it. Okay. Okay, so we will let Beth speak. Let me just see where she is here. Okay.

There is no doubt on any of these.

I'm here.

Yeah, we know that. No, we're just talking.

Oh, I'm sorry.

No, there was, yeah, we see you. There was just a confusion about you not being here last night and not being on the list, but she would have been on the list if in fact she thought she could get to the.

Which, so which list?

So I put new lists up a while ago and. Everybody that was interviewed yesterday and today is on that. There are two pages, one for CRA, one for education advisory board. It indicates the few people who applied to both.

Okay.

I found it. All right. Okay. So, but that's the first thing. And then any other, any additions, deletions or rewarding from anybody else? Hearing none, can we accept the agenda as amended with Ms. Harrelson?

Motion to approve agenda as amended with Ms. Harrelson. Second.

Second from Mr. McVoy. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you very much. Okay, Beth, the way it works is we've got one. You talk to us for a minute, and then we each have a minute to question you. So it's a five-minute. It's a quickie.

Okay, perfect. Okay, well, a little bit about me. My husband, I'm Beth Harrelson. Thank you for being flexible, by the way, and seeing me tonight. My husband and I moved down to South, we're in South Palm Park. We moved down about five years ago from the Carolinas when our last child left the nest. And I'm originally from Washington, D.C., I've been in the nonprofit world for over 20 years as a director of development communications for most of that time. I am an advocate specifically around equity and quality education and child welfare causes as well as animal welfare. And, you know, I've been wanting to get involved in the community and I've just been kind of wondering what the best way for me to do that would be. And when I saw the opportunity for the Education Advisory Board, I thought it would be a great match for me and feel like I can do do good for the community as well. Thank you. That's a minute. Sorry. That's okay.

We're going to start tonight with Mr. Segrich asking a question and go down that way. Great.

Thank you and thank you for replying. What do you see as some of the greatest challenges for our schools here in Lake Worth Beach?

Yeah, I feel like there is definitely a need for kind of a bridge of communication between maybe the commission and the city and our schools. I'm a big communications person, so being available and really listening to the needs of what our schools or the particular schools are and being able to come back and repeat, not repeat, come back and articulate what those needs are so that we can improve whatever issues may be outlying in those particular schools. So I think that there's just a need for clear communication and kind of that middle person to help bring that bridge together a little bit, if that makes any sense.

Thank you. Ms. May? Hi, thank you, and thank you for being here tonight. My question is just regarding timing. The Education Advisory Board meets the first Thursday of every month, and you would be assigned to one of the schools and be part of their SAC. Some of them meet during the day, some of them meet during the evening. Would you have that availability?

Yeah, I'm very flexible. I work from home part time. I'm a freelance. So my schedule is kind of my own. So fabulous. Yeah. So as long as all my calendar and I know that I'm good.

Yes. Yes. OK, great. Thanks, Beth. I appreciate it.

Of course.

Mr. McBoy.

Thank you. Thank you for applying and being interested in the community. You mentioned on the CRA that we are a diamond in the rough and you'd like that the diamond's good, but you'd like to do something about the rough.

Yes. I'm sorry.

What you see as needing polishing in the rough part.

I just think that when I happened upon Lake Worth Beach, I personally felt like I found this beautiful space that I wanted to kind of tell everybody about, which I do. And I don't know, I just feel like there is a lot of potential in the community in terms of outreach to let people know we're here to some, maybe some beautification pieces to make us somewhat more inviting, you know, to, to come and stop here on your way down Dixie highway, just little things like that. But once you get into the heart of our community, it's like, you don't want to leave. So I just want to kind of, like I said, tell the world that we're here and you know, and there's just, to me, it's just, small things, but they add up to one big thing to bring in people to share this beautiful, wonderful, quirky little place that I've loved so much for the last five years.

Thank you. Ms. Malega.

Thank you. Thank you, Beth, for applying. As everybody else has said, thank you for giving Lake Worth Beach the opportunity to welcome you here to your new home. I do have a question. Have you ever attended a CRA meeting and do you understand the boundaries? Yes.

So I have not. And just to be clear, I'm really interested in the Education Advisory Board more than the CRA. So I'm not sure how I got on both those lists. That could have been probably my fault when I applied. But I truly want to work within the education realm if that helps at all.

Thank you for the clarification. Sure. Hi. And thank you again. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you for applying. You mentioned on your application that you would be interested in Sacred Heart School.

Yes. Uh-huh. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Yeah. Thank you very much.

Yeah.

Thank you. I think we were pretty short tonight.

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. And you can either stay on or... Okay. Go back to wherever you are.

All right. I appreciate your time. Have a good evening.

And watch us on YouTube. Have a glass of wine. There you go. Thank you so much. No whining.

Bye-bye.

Good night. Thank you. Okay. So now we are at where we vote. Don't we have public participation of non-agended items? I have two cards, Peggy Fisher and Mr. Hitchcock.

All right.

Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. I'm sorry, I was not at last night's meeting. I had another obligation that was very related and more important. But I would like to say as far as code is concerned, you all had given a directive to focus on life health safety issues. And as a result, complaints that are put in about other items that affect the environment in which the people in the neighborhood live in and the status of things in the neighborhood aren't necessarily getting addressed. Whether it's four or five cars parked on grass, whether it's bulk that's there unless somebody else reports it, height of lawns. There are other things that affect the residents of the city, and I appreciate focusing on life, health, and safety, but we can't have our – in my opinion, it's not – proper to just go to a complaint look at it and say well i'm not going to see all those other things i'm just going to see hurricane shutters not raised or the height of grass or something like that so i just wanted to encourage you all to revise your direction to the code department in terms of what really benefits everyone in the city and so that's all i wanted to say thank you thank you mr hitchcock good evening good evening

My name is Wade Hitchcock, 1506 13th Avenue North. My question is today is with school getting ready to open here soon on 10th Avenue where a lot of kids travel and they're all going to have their little scooters. We got bushes that are way too high. I sit in a truck and I can't even see over them. On C Street, there's D Street, the light. When you start looking, because these kids don't look for us. We have to do so much to look for them. And you see just what happened up the road with the two kids on a motorcycle, one dead. I would like to see the school year start off not that way. Because they have no respect for the road, their electric bikes. They just think no problem with their scooters. So it'd be nice to see code go out there and cut them or give me permission. I'll cut them. I have no problem, but I just don't want none of these kids to get killed. Cause you just can't see them. So that's one of my complaints. Yeah. On the North side, the other side's more open.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hitchcock. We appreciate it. All right.

Just ask a question. I mean, just make a comment on that. And this is just for the city manager, maybe for code. Besides 10th Avenue North, that is becoming a bigger issue, I believe, in the city is the blind corners with overgrown streets. Bushes, basically. A lot of the Colusa plants that were planted when everybody got so excited, found the Colusa plant. And now they've grown so much that blind corners are everywhere. And I think that, I mean, if code's driving around, they see the corners. And that is one that if you went from any neighborhood, because I know I can't see it coming out of my street. Right, exactly. But I mean, it's like you live, if you live on a corner, go outside and look at your bushes.

I think they are more, we just, I just got a call from a resident who lives on South Lakeside and he was like, hey, and it was the same thing, the big calisotries. And I've talked to him and I've talked to Code and we meet with him and tell him what he needs to do. So I think they are paying more attention to it and I agree with you that they should.

I would add to that, and with that conversation with several others that have gotten cited for it, the way our code is worded, it's not particularly clear to the resident, is it from the edge of the sidewalk? Is it from the outer edge of the sidewalk? It would be extremely helpful that if when the code offers out there, they're citing, they could either give them a little marking so they know, okay, this is where you should start. And I think people would be appreciative of that to be able to, even if they just hide like a little survey tape on it, you know, or use, you know, spray painted a leaf on it or something, but that would help.

Yeah. They're meeting with him. So, but yeah, so just, I think it's a good point. Well taken to staff. Thank you. Approval of the minutes. motion to approve the minutes by miss may second by second miss malega all in favor all right unfinished business community redevelopment agency and education advisory board appointments so we have been given these score sheets and these things and i guess you know i don't know we really so we vote and then we talk um we can always change our vote i think um depending on how things are going which which board would you like to take first the education yeah yeah yeah um so would somebody with eab electric education yeah all right and we have seven openings on the education it's a new board and we're not we're not appointing them they're you know you see the list of schools on the bottom I think it's best to leave it up to them to decide who wants to get what school. I mean, that's why would we tell them? So a couple of people have been in some of the schools already. So for the record, Ms. Harrelson, Ms. Horn, Ms. Kerner, Ms. Polanco.

Aren't we doing that?

Yes, I'm just, but they have, but if you look at it, it says they're also interested in being built.

Got it.

So somewhere on the end, Mr. Rosworthy and Mr. Sleight.

Okay. I mean, I think, honestly, if you count the ones that there are seven.

Yeah.

One, two, three, four.

There's eight. I didn't know that. One, two, three, four. 5, 6, 8. But Ms. Kerner is on the CRA now. That would be if there's going to be an 8, but she's already on a board. She's already on the CRA. So do you want to just rank? Do you want to talk about it before? Do you just want to write the Mr. Segret to your ladies on it?

I was just going to say, just based on the clerk's email, maybe not everyone read it, but there are eight. So to that list, we have to add Autumn Horn, Donna Kerner, and Bunny Rivera, who all expressed interest. Autumn Horn expressed interest during her interview, but has not returned the clerk's phone call or email. So we don't know definitively on the second outreach, but the rest of them all did say they would serve.

Okay, so can we make a motion for that?

Are you saying not? Madam Clerk, were you unclear about Ms. Horne's position about the Education Board?

So we listened to the meeting again, and during her interview, she did say that she would serve. I called her this morning, I called her this afternoon, and I also emailed her. But based on her interview yesterday, she said she would serve on that if she wasn't chosen for the CRA.

Yeah. And Donna Kerner is also on the Tree and Landscape Board. Oh, okay. So that's a lot of boards. I didn't even know you could be on more than one board. I didn't know. Right, right.

Her term is up on CRA.

Well, but she's on the Tree and Landscape Board too. But also people have been on the CRA for more than one term. That's not unusual.

Some have been on there for 15, 14 years.

Well, no. Carla, I think.

Carla's been on a long time and Ms. Lurch has been on there a long time. L-O-E-R-T.

Okay. So would somebody like to make a motion? Do you want to discuss it any further?

I would make a motion to, and this is the EAB, to appoint Rebecca Gilmartin, Beth Harrelson, Alan Nossworthy, Alicia Polanco, Jay Selkirk, and Autumn Horn and Bunny onto the education board.

What about Ms. Harrelson? He said yes.

I did.

Basically everybody, but he did not say Donna. Okay, let's get that.

All right, so Harrelson, Horn, Sleip, Polanco, Silpy, Silpy, Silpy, and Rebecca Gilmour. Is that seven? Yes. There's a motion. There's a second by Ms. Malega, I think. Yep. All in favor?

Aye.

Do you have your thing?

Just because we haven't heard from Autumn, are you guys comfortable with that if, for whatever reason, after we appoint and Autumn might come back and say, actually, I don't want to be, we could appoint Donna?

She's not on the list that he just read. He said Rebecca.

I understand.

My problem with that is that she's already on the tree and landscape board. I would prefer somebody pick a board.

Okay.

I'd say we deal with the autumn situation as it arises.

Yeah. I mean, she did say that she would be willing to serve. I mean, you're the liaison. It doesn't really matter to us, but I just think that one person, one board makes them.

Okay. But I'm confused. That's not on the list that he just read. He didn't say autumn. Yes, he did. I think he said Rebecca, Beth, Alan, Alicia. Oh, that's right. Autumn's added. Never mind. You're wrong. Great. So we have a first and a second?

All in favor? Aye. Okay, so just for the record, on the EAB is Rebecca Gilmartin, Beth Harrelson, Alan Nosworthy, Alicia Polanco, Jay Silpey, Autumn Horn, Bonnie Rivera.

Okay.

I'm missing one.

Beth Harrelson. Okay. All right, so the CRA, we have, I- Do we have to hand these in? No.

What was that? I didn't hear you. I turn all my notes in just in case there's a public record request, but it's up to you.

So for the CRA, there's two people whose terms are ending, Mr. Wallin, who only got to serve one year of a term. I would like to see him continue. And- I think that, you know, we have a couple of people have are already on boards and I think going along with what you're saying, you know, be on one board. I would like to see Mr. Wolin and I would also like to see, you know, I mean, Donna Kerner has been on it for a few, she's been on one term. I wouldn't object if she was on another term.

The two that were on planning and zoning just I'm not trying to sway you either way, but they both said that they would. So they would not be on two books. No, I understand that.

They're already on, you know, they're already serving the city. So that's kind of what I'm hearing.

Now we have to go out to planning zone and we fill that board and we don't fill it in time. Are they going to make the meetings? Mr. McCoy.

I would like, what I'm looking for on the CRA, since that's a pretty important board, it has taxing authority, it makes pretty big decisions, both on affordable housing and on our downtown and in corridors. So I'd like to see a range of expertise and representation on it. And for me, that would mean Mr. Woleski, I think, definitely brings a lot of experience and expertise and a longtime resident. and i think ms kerner uh likewise different expertise um and good connection to the community and and no um connection to real estate or building things there are other people who cover that so those would be my two i'm gonna pass the gavel and make a motion

Can we talk first? Okay, yeah.

Somebody else made a motion on the last one.

I would be in favor of keeping Harry because he does have a lot of experience, not on the CRA work, but in other TIF districts. And I think that he's done well from me attending the meetings. And I would support keeping Donna Kerr on. Again, the other two people, Daniel and Greg, I just, I don't want to, I personally don't want to ruffle P&Z right now when we have a lot of important projects coming down.

Would you like to move on, Mr. Segrich?

One, I think we should do the ranking because I don't think we're going to have consensus. So I think the ranking exercise will be important. I disagree. I think that Daniel... given his experience and skill sets, would absolutely be a huge value add to the CRA. Some of my concerns and some of the heavy concerns that a lot of people have raised about the CRA is, and whether they're accurate or not, I think it depends on the situation, is that we get ourselves into agreements with developers that really don't work out for the city or the CRA. And I think his experience in these large-scale projects and the contracts and the financials involved in that would help it out um an awful lot i'm less concerned about planning um and and zoning i understand we'd have to replace a position but we have time it's not like this would be instantaneous um we we have a little bit of time and there was great interest in planning and zoning um when we had the last round of interviews so um i think we would be able to to do that um Donna is on another board, the tree board, and you guys literally just all said you don't want people on two boards. Some of you did. I don't have a problem. So in terms of where I would sit, I would actually be leaning more towards Daniel and Greg.

Thank you. Mr. Valesky, I've done a little digging into his background I'm not as convinced of the expertise that he spoke about. So I would like to see her continues. And I think Donna has been doing a good job on the board. She's kind of a she's the voice. She's a different voice on the board. And I think that's important. I don't always agree with her. But you know, she's one of many. So with emotion,

If it fails, it fails. Oh, did you have a light on me?

I mean, I'm just kind of assuming we're all going to share. Oh, sharing. Sharing. If you were looking for my two cents, I think that Harry has started his position as one year, and I think he should see that out. And I think that I would like to see Greg Richter on the board. I feel like he has shown interest in that. He has applied a number of times. And I believe Donna has completed her term. She has done a great job. She is on the tree board. She does a lot for this city. She doesn't need to continue on that board. I think it's time to give somebody else a chance.

Mr. McLean.

um i think the argument that somebody needed to finish their term mr wall and you know no disrespect but his term was a year so he's finished his term so that argument doesn't strike me as very strong um i'm not sure what the mayor's investigation led to uh i don't know mr waleski real well but i have interacted with him over the years um i know that he has served on a board with the county for a number of years that I believe Wes Blackman also serves on. He definitely has a lot of experience and knowledge that I think would be quite useful to the CRA. I think the argument that we don't want people to serve on two boards, we've had people serve on multiple boards before. I think that's a decision up to the person. if we had a history with any individual that they regularly did not attend one or the other board or, you know, didn't serve well for some reason that would be different but we have a mechanism to deal with that and that hasn't kicked in so I'm assuming it works fine so I would I would stick with my suggestion of the expertise that Mr Valesky brings and the broad Community connection and experience that Ms Kerner brings thank you um I uh And I would also point out that in terms of representing more the realtor and real estate side of things, we have quite a bit of representation of that already on the board.

Yeah, I have a problem with... I think that, you know, the tree board and another board is one thing. But the CRA and the MP&Z, I think there's really, there's a potential there to clash.

It's, if I may interrupt. They can. They cannot serve on both, on two decision-making boards.

Yeah, but they never asked to.

Okay. You can serve on two advisory boards or a decision-making board and an advisory board.

Right. Okay.

Oh, Ms. Fisher. I think instead of a motion for two people, we list ours and see where we end up. How many votes people get.

It's either way we can win it.

Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. Mr. Wolin's term of one year was determined by you all when after you appointed people to the CRA to fill vacancies, someone had to be chosen to complete a term. That's how he ended up. with a one-year time frame. I will say that Greg Richter has shown interest in the CRA numerous times, and he brings experience that he served on, and I don't know the exact, I'm sure it's in his application, he served in Virginia for a number of years on a land use board, which I think would be a big benefit to the CRA. And as far as someone serving on the CRA and the tree board, as Ms. Kerner does, she's actually the chair of it, you all need to remember that you have looped in the tree board to your complete review of the landscape policy for the city so it's not just a small advisory board that you know occasionally comes up and talks about trees and tree canopies or working with nests to plant trees and i hope we can get some trees planted in the renovated Tropical Ridge Fitness Park. But it is going to put a lot of demands on that board, which typically only has four people on the board and at the meetings. So I just wanted to provide some public input to you all in addition to what you have on the, on the applications. And I do think it's a good idea to have a person on one board because special meetings come up, schedules change, schedule of meetings change. And so people have to have a lot of flexibility.

So thank you. That's time.

Thank you.

Madam mayor. Yes. So the last round of interviews, um, When it came time after discussion, each commissioner ranked one, first, second, and third. They did three choices. And then we added up the points. So whoever got three points, two points, one point, and then we went by the total of points rather than picking two people because you're only picking two people. I'm just saying that's how it was done last time.

Thank you. I mean, it's not, there's no written rule of how we have to do this.

I'd like to make a motion to follow the clerk's advice.

We're not, we don't have a motion to that. Okay. So your first, and just, so one, two, and three. Three points for right. Right. So it's three, two, one, really.

Correct.

So are you going to collect our pieces of paper? Or we're just going to go out?

So last time everybody said that we went one by one. I have a tally sheet so I can write down each person's and then add them up.

Okay, thank you. Let's start with District 1.

It's always fun to be number one.

I know, I know.

My first choice with three points is Harry. My second choice with two is Greg Richter and Donna Kerner, one.

Thank you. Mr. Big Boy?

Why don't you skip over me? I'm still thinking. Oh, you're two. I'm the last one.

Oh, you're two. Why don't we go ahead and go to Mr. Big Boy?

What's that?

Sir, I'm sorry. You're two.

Wall and three.

Harry, three. Greg, two. Donna, one.

Dan Woleski, three. Donna Kerner, two. Autumn Horne, one. Thank you. Ms. May?

Wait, I'm sorry, Commissioner Autumn Horne. So you did just appoint her the EAB.

Well, I'm just going to EAB. Okay. Okay. Ms. May?

I'm going to do Greg Richter as three points. I'm sorry, could you speak into your mic?

I'm sorry. I'm going to do Greg Richter with three points. I'm going to do Harry Wolin with two and Dan with one. Daniel Walensky with one.

Mr. Segrich.

I will do Daniel with three points, Greg Richter with two points, and Harry with one.

OK. And I will do Harry with three points, Greg with two points, and Donna Kerner with one point.

OK. So seven. OK. I will add them up.

Two, four, six, nine. Greg and Harry both have nine. OK. And Donna has four, and Dan has seven.

So, Harry and Greg.

Harry and Greg. Okay. Motion to approve. Well, we have to hear the officials from our clerk.

Yes, I concur with the math teacher.

We don't have a math teacher here during the edition.

Yes, so that is correct. Both Greg Richter and Harry Wolin had nine points.

Great. So I make a motion to appoint Harry Wollin and Greg Richter to CRA and then open up for applications for one more in planning and zoning. Second.

Missed by Ms. Malega. All in favor? Aye. Nay. Thank you very much. Electric Utility Beach Tie Line Logistics Update. By our own Mr. Liberty, past president of the Florida Municipal Electric Association, who was honored the other night at a dinner and thanked by the association for his good work, ongoing and continuing good work.

Thank you very much, Madam Mayor. Oh, it was a delight.

A lot. He paid me a lot.

Pleasure to have served.

And I did point out that it had been since 1984, we think, that Lake Worth Beach had last been invited to sit at the grown-up table. So it was great to be there, and we look forward to having more people from Lake Worth Beach in those roles. Absolutely. So tonight we're going to brief you on where we are with the lagoon crossing or the beach tie or the intercoastal waterway crossing, whatever we want to call it. But this is the replacement of the submarine cable, as some people refer to it, that currently serves the beach. The date that it's been out there since is a little unknown in our records. It's somewhere between the 60s to the 80s. that it's been out there it's a direct buried in the mud it operates at uh 4 000 volts and there are two lines and it's something we've talked about for quite some time that needed to be re replaced we do a little bit of a refresher and and excuse me yeah no no no it's just a cable direct buried in the mud it's a little better than an extension cord but not Yes, yes. And it appears to have worked, but we can't assume that it will work forever.

And when it does not, this is why we're here tonight.

Exactly. So we've been preparing this for some time. So it's a little bit of a refresher on what we've done so far and then informing you of what we'd like to do next, which is, of course, going to be to bore a big hole. But we'll get to that in a few minutes. so uh you all approved uh us going ahead uh effectively on september 30th of 2025 history perspective uh which allowed us to submit an easement application to the u.s army corps of engineers for the subaqueous electric lines across the lake worth lagoon fancy words During the course of this process, we involved a number of consultants and consulting engineers to do both the engineering and the permit applications on our behalf. WSP, under what we refer to as Task Order 4, They performed the original engineering analysis and the baseline feasibility study for routing of this cable, of this new cable. And the new cable is shown in here in bright, I'm colorblind, but it looks like bright yellow today. So we all agree on that. Some people suggested I need to go back to the first or second grade and learn my colors again, but that's just not going to happen. We then engaged them to do the final engineering, which went to the Army Corps of Engineers for ultimate review. And then we did a comprehensive design, which included the topographic, the hydrographic, and the subsurface utility engineering work on the lagoon. I should point out that we also did extensive bores or drills down to get samples. I think we went well in excess of what we needed to. So we had a lot of good data on what was actually under the surface because we are going to be going down deep. This is not going to be near the surface. We'll be as much as 15 or more feet below the bottom of the channel out in the center line. So we're going to be fairly deep and not intending to disturb any seagrasses.

So finally, he started dreading.

Yeah, exactly. It prevents us from being in the way of any future dredging that might be done if the Army Corps of Engineers would decide to, you know, make the channel a little bit deeper or widen it. We want to make sure that we're well below any boat anchors, any other activity that may take place there. The crossing we marked on both sides, but you just want to make sure you're well below and you don't interfere with the root system for any of the seagrasses that grow. And when you get close to the shore, the mangroves, things like that, or bulkheads. And the

I'm just interested. I just think it's cool. I have questions.

So more recently, I think it was in the last few months, you approved the actual horizontal directional drilling or HDD or boring under the intercoastal. We had gone out for a bid twice. That was the second bid. The first bid came back and we were not comfortable with the pricing and the details of that, which set the project back a little bit because we went out for a bid again and got something that we thought was much more acceptable. And that's something that you all approved recently. this slide just gives you a quick overview of all the different entities that we had to go in front of or submit the applications to so the florida dep uh we worked with them on the summer submerged lands easement the environmental resource permit and a standard utility permit U.S. Coast Guard was a little bit easier. It was just a courtesy notification. The Army Corps of Engineers, civil works permits, what we call the nationwide permit 57 and the consent to easement. And then finally, Palm Beach County, a letter of notification. All of these permits have been received. They're in hand. We had some minor clarifications in the last couple of weeks that went well and no major issues in front of us. In terms of the overall schedule, this is boiled down from a rather detailed Gantt chart or Microsoft project chart, which we use for major projects like this. We're essentially winding down the pre-work session. The pre-work included all of the submittals, approvals, the procurement process, public information, survey work, and the notice to proceed. So the public information part we're covering today, the city's public information officer has been working with us to prepare information which can go out to the general population. And there is an additional seagrass survey that would need to be performed 30 days prior to actually any disturbance of the riverbed or the waterway bed. So assuming that we have a consensus tonight to go ahead and start, that would probably start in the next week or so. They'll get that seagrass survey going, and then we'd be clear to start construction after that. the construction period is is a minimum of or is planned at about 45 days that's not 45 calendar days that's 45 work days working a five-day week and we're going to get into a little bit more detail on what that entails but at a high level it's what we call the pilot bore reaming that bore wider the swab pass uh fusing the pipe so hdpe is the type of plastic pipe or conduit that we're going to use that's going to be pulled through the hole that will bore And that will be actually fused together or basically glued together. So we'll have to string up to 800-foot sections at a time. And we'll get into a little bit more detail in the next few slides. And then that will be pulled through the hole. The next 800 feet will be glued to the first 800 feet. That will be pulled, and it's a succession of pulls all the way through until it pops. um that's a good question i i don't know that there's much to see because it'll be dark but but you'll see it for me you'll see it for me that it'll be it's dark down here yeah well now though but the work will be happening during daylight hours not overnight um and then there's a pullback and a restoration And then there's project closeout where we do the final restoration because we'll get into the is going to affect areas of Bryant Park and about 80 spots over in the parking lot at the beach. So we'll get into the details of what that restoration will look like. That project closeout will be about 16 days to cover the walkthrough, full restoration to the prior condition and then removal of all equipment and the final closeout on the punch list.

I think Mimi May would be willing to walk through.

It's about a 32-inch hole. I'm told 32 to 36-inch hole, which will be all the way across, over 3,000 feet. Maybe a James Bond movie will go through in a little cart on a rail or something. We could shine a light and run it down on a laser. So we're looking at, assuming we get started on the seagrass survey as early as next week, get the contract at the notice to proceed, then we're probably looking at being complete around November 20th. And we've picked this time of year because it has the least amount of impact on activities that might be happening in this section of Bryant Park, which we'll get to in a second, or in the beach. And we can work around some of the stuff that's going to be happening with public works or public services and some of the work they're doing up at the beach.

I have two lights on. I have Ms. Malega and Mr. McCoy.

I have a question. You just said November 20th, but this walkout sheet says October 20th. Big difference.

There's a question as to the seagrass survey?

No, there is a big difference because November 20th is season. And October 20th is before season, so... It says one thing here, and you just now target it 30 days later.

I'll explain that. There's a question as to what's called the seagrass survey. The current requirements are to complete a seagrass survey 30 days prior to the start of construction. We have already completed the seagrass survey. We need an interpretation from our engineers that we need to do it again. because it was done some time ago, or if it needs to be done proximate to the start of construction. So we need that clarification, which we'll have in the next few days. Our presumption right now, I'm leaning towards saying we need to do it again to make sure there's no issue, and then we go forward. That would take up to 30 days, which would put us closer to about a November 20th finish time.

Okay, that makes me very uncomfortable, because I know that when we talked about this, we talked about having this done well before season. And I'm looking at the parking and everything's being taken up at the beach. And I understand this has to be done, but I know that we have tenants at the beach and we have people who expect to be able to gain access to Bryant Park and to the ocean. I'm a little dismayed that we couldn't have gotten this done during the summer, but I'm even more dismayed if it's going to be going into November.

Well, a couple of things.

Bad storms, a couple of bad days, and now all of a sudden November 20th has now turned into December 1st.

A couple of things. We thought it was imprudent to go ahead with the bids that we had at the time, so we set the project back. The second thing is that there's some float in this schedule. And for example, we can take a look at each aspect of it. I would expect that we could probably be out of the parking lot quicker than we could be out of the park. For example, at the parking lot, we're going to pull the pipe back into the parking lot in this yellow section or orange section and into a pit. And then as soon as that's done, we're going to backfill it and pave it over and get out of the way. We're going to come back later in time, months down the road to do the final cable pull, probably into the next spring sometime after the season and to do other work that has to be done on land. So the goal would be to be out of these 80 spots long before November 20th. As soon as we can, backfill the hole, pave it over, restripe it, turn it back over to the rec side of the house so we can resume parking.

I was just asked to get updates on that because I know that our phones are going to be ringing and we're going to get emails. Mm-hmm.

in regards to why the city do this now so if you can just keep us abreast of the process and progress thank you when we look at this schedule overall recognizing that let's say there's probably 60 to 90 day window that we need to fit in it's hard to find that 60 to 90 day window when we don't interfere with something so we season is different everything is different fourth of july little scream uh other activities in the park so we have to maneuver on everything and as we said We really didn't want to proceed with that result of the first bid. So we took extra time to go out and re-bid that job. So the other part of it.

A quick question. And then Mr. Segrich.

a quick question to follow um i you know very appreciative that you're paying attention to the seagrass situation and i imagine it's probably a permit condition also but i'm puzzled by it because my understanding is the boar start will be on land not in the water and you're going down and across so i don't know who's worried about seagrass but you're nowhere near seagrass

How deep are those roots?

They're probably six inches to a foot. So I'm presuming, I'm not an expert.

You're not going to cause that much trouble to the seagrass.

I don't think so either. I agree with you, sir. I suspect it's more of a precaution to be able to document the pre and post condition, should there be any effect on seagrass, but we are going deep.

You'll find out. I would push them a little bit, and especially in relation to the season thing, and given that you're going to be way below it, ask them whether you could use the other one. That would be my thought.

Mr. Segridge?

Thank you. So looking at the locations of the bore pits on either side, specifically looking at Bryan Park, With the open spaces master plan, there's a lot of changes that were in that or thoughts about Bryant Park. Also, the pier that we just renovated, there's also been discussions and ideas thrown around about extending that pier out of 45 to the south. which would make it heading towards that cable or conduit. Is this conduit going to prevent us from doing any of that stuff in the open spaces master plan or expanding that pier in that direction?

I don't anticipate that it would. And these documents, the permit applications were all made available, made public. Everybody is aware of where they are. You're talking about the offshore pier?

The pier in Bryant Park.

Yeah, I don't anticipate that that's going to have any impact at all on where the actual bore pit will be.

The underground conduit, if that pier was slated to come out at a 45 to the south, would they have to stop short of that?

I don't think so. We're towards the south end of the park. I think we're pretty far away. We're south of the pumping station, of the lift station.

And you're maybe three feet wide. So if you need to put pilings that go down, you go a couple of feet. Yeah, we could straddle it.

We could actually protect it more. But no, I don't think we're anywhere near where the pier might be. You're talking about the pier by the boat ramps? Yeah.

It's the pier by the road. It's right at the top. There were thoughts and ideas and some discussion about extending that pier, not as it exists now, but coming out at a 45 to the south because that was the one area that didn't have a large concentration of seagrass where we could extend it to do different things. And we talked about that as part of the Open Spaces Master Plan. Also, if there was any kind of construction in that area of the park, is it deep enough that it wouldn't be affected so like if they were looking at moving a playground there or doing a pavilion or something you know would that preclude us from doing that

Let me use a lifeline with my engineering team and my assistant director of engineering, David Martin hook on this. I believe these plans have all been shared with the group that's working on this master plan. It's all in the Army Corps of Engineers submittals. Every submittal we've had shows the depths and locations and everything where we're going to be.

I understand this has been shared, but I don't know necessarily that they're all thinking about some of the future plans and they may change. And so I'm saying, putting it right there, which is smack in the middle of that park,

does that make that a no-go zone for any kind of improvements uh david martinuk assistant director of engineering city liquid beach uh we did coordinate with public works on the gazebo or pavilion type stuff so everything was kind of spaced to avoid those areas we're also concrete encasing the trenched area from the pole box where the board pit's going to be there will be a pole box That will be surfaced. So all of that will be protected from external damage. It will be a no-go zone, if you will, if you wanted to build on top of it. We could always move it. There's a cost associated with that, but it can be moved and re-spliced if necessary.

And then what about on the other side? We've seen numerous ideas and plans thrown out for the beach, and some of them include condensing parking and increasing the green space there. Would that location also prevent a structure from being constructed there?

Well, certainly you couldn't put a piling through it. You could build something over. I've seen that happen in certain cases. But you would have to straddle it or work around it, and that's correct. Now, the bore pit itself, where the splice box will be, that will be backfilled and will become a parking spot again, so it'll be underground. So we're not losing any parking spaces.

Not worried about the current use, a future use, like if there was some sort of project design that had a... multi-level parking there, which reclaimed more green space or allowed more park space, would something like that become a challenge? Because it seems like it's smack in the middle.

It certainly could. Whatever would come in the future would have to be designed around it.

About how big is the... It's not very big. I mean, it's a wiring pit and it's got...

It's about the width of a car parking spot. I mean, it's about an 8x10 box.

I believe it's like a 10 by 7 or something like that. Yeah, 9 by 7. It's not huge.

It's so far south of that little pier. I mean, even if we went south from that little pier, whatever you call it.

Yeah, I'm just asking where are we putting constraints for the future?

Worst case scenario, the hard part is the bore, the placement or the bore pits. All of that can be dug and moved. So if we ever had to shift it or go deeper, we can. The splices are pretty reliable in underground systems. I mean, they are a failure point, but they're pretty reliable in general. So, I mean, we can move and shift that as needed.

And was there a particular challenge or reason why it wouldn't have been closer to the bridge itself?

Well, you get closer to the smaller islands that are there, which are protected, and the existing cables. We wanted to stay well away from those. We wanted to stay away from any work which may happen with the bridge in the future, should they decide to make the bridge wider or do something with it. So we wanted to be further away from it. There's also the implications on land in terms of getting the power to the point where it's going to begin its journey across and how you route those circuits. So you have to be able to weave your way through the most active part of the park along the roadway and across the Gulfstream Hotel in that whole area to get out closer to the bridge. So the thinking, as I understand it, was to get further away from that and more closely aligned with the power supply source on land, which is coming off of First or Second Avenue South. Where's the power supply coming to before it actually enters?

Where do you plug it in?

On the mainland side.

Where do you plug it in? It's right by the Gulfstream Hotel. So that's one feet. And then the other goes around by... Was it South Palmway or whatever that last road is there? So there's two, there's two circuit feeds. We're actually placing an auto transfer switch. So it'll have a dual, dual feed circuit for redundancy to the beach. Cool. If we ever need it.

Thank you. I mean, I'm asking you to say which piece finished.

My last thought on it, to me, it might have made more sense to just have it on the edge of the property versus right in the middle. So if there is a feed coming on the South or Fifth Avenue South right there, going over to the bottom south end of our beach casino complex.

The placement of the bores was also done logistically. So the space that's needed to actually do the drilling and pull the conduit is massive. And if you guys get a chance to see it when it does happen, it takes a lot of space. There's a hill at the beach. We obviously can't go on the top that we would have to take that whole top space. So the only logical place on the beach side was in the parking lot. If we go too close to the road, you're dealing with logistics issues there. So we kind of have to place it in a place where you can fit everything and still allow for traffic flow. On the Bryant Park side, that was, again, conduit placement. We have to run hundreds of feet of conduit to make it effective. Otherwise, they have to fuse shorter pieces. That takes longer. It costs more. And what happens when they do the fusing is they cause what they call a beating. And so they have to either do a beating process, which is a lot of companies don't do that, or they try to avoid it. And even on this project, they upsize the conduit to avoid de-beating the fuses that they do have to do.

um just because it costs so much and it's so much effort to make sure that the conduit's perfectly smooth in there and it won't cut the cable when it's pulled so there's a lot of considerations on top of the so what will actually be happening then logistically is the the drill the drilling will take place from the beach headed west so right so where does all the dirt go it's

Most of it will be piled up temporarily, and then they'll actually backfill most of it. So there's very little dirt removal that's required. There'll be a little more on this because of the size of the ring itself.

So the conduit's going to be heavy, clearly?

So what will happen there is start with drilling the hole. So the hole will be drilled from the beach parking lot to the mainland, and then it'll be reamed wider. And then from there, there'll be three conduits, which will be pulled back. There'll be two of them that'll be 10 inch. They're intended for power. And there'll be a third one, which will be eight inch, which is intended for future communications. So either for our own purposes or to sell that space for communication companies that are looking to pull fiber communications back and forth from the beach. So it would be a shame not to put that in while we were drilling anyway.

That oft spoken about, but yet to be seen wave power.

Well, Yeah, it could be. So what will happen is of the two 10-inch conduits, one of them will carry the new cable to supply the beach. The other will remain empty as a spare. And we've already bought the cable for these, by the way, which we can then pull the spare cable through if we ever had a failure of the primary cable. If ocean current energy were to become reality, certainly we would have that pathway. But it gives us the ability that if we did have a cable failure or a reason to need more power for services at the beach, we could certainly pull an extra phase in or an extra cable in and have more than enough power. The ability to swap back and forth.

Ms. Malega has a question.

Thank you. I have to say that I agree with Commissioner Segrich. And when I look at that big space up there, I'm often asking myself, why can't we get closer to the pump house? We already have that property there. And I don't know why, if we're going to do this, why would we do it in the middle of a green space? Especially when you say 10 feet, 10 feet by seven, is that what you said?

For the box itself, yes.

10 feet by seven to be in the middle of a green space. I personally would be in favor of supporting Mr. Segrich and saying, The closer we could get to the property we already have that's not being used, like that pump house that's next to it, would make more sense to me.

Well, so this design's done. The contractor's under contract. So at this point, redesign includes re-permitting, re-surveying, and all of that.

So I just want to be aware. I don't often say. I wish we would have seen this way beforehand. Just like when we talked about the timeline. I know that when we talked about it, because we did approve some of the project already, that we talked about a faster timeline. This was not presented to us back then. I don't remember seeing this. I don't know if anybody else has seen it. But to me, I would have advocated as well for not a 10 foot by 7 foot concrete pad to be in the middle of a potential green space. I mean, I don't want to spend more money and more time. I just think that this is when... I wish it was more collaboration for thinking for the future of the city than just let's get it done.

Well, to clarify, there is not going to be a 10 by 7 concrete pad. This will be underground. It'll be green over the top.

You just said it was going to be surface level.

As far as the box, I'd have to confirm on the drawings. I believe the intent was to cover it, but I'd have to verify.

The surface level to me is a concrete pad on the surface. But if it's going to be under and there's going to be stuff on top of it,

We'll recheck that, but my understanding is in the parking lot, it's going to be at the service.

Here on the green.

I believe it's going to be underground. I'm not sure. I don't recall there being any concrete pad exposed.

If not, that's a relatively simple.

I'm just hoping that, you know, whatever it is, is not taking part of the only green space that we have there. That's why when you said 10 by 7, I was like, well, that's a big pad of concrete in the middle of a green space where kids play.

I believe that one's buried, but just send us all an email.

That'd be great. Thank you.

And just to reiterate, there's other considerations besides the actual construction workspace. There's sovereign submerged land. So there's restrictions on where you can go off land and under land. There's also that seawall. So they have to go pretty steep at first just to get under the seawall. There was considerations with the boat and the pier because it does go at a slight angle. You can't really tell from this image, but it does kind of go in like a northeastern type flow to the beach. It's not straight across. So there's a lot of considerations at the angle and all of that.

And the smaller islands, which are on the east side of the crossing.

My concern was a big cement square in the middle of the green space.

We can make that disappear for sure. Yes, that's not a problem.

Mr. McVoy, and then Mr. Sigrid.

And I would just say that while we all have received recently our engineering degrees and our land use degrees,

So we are fully available to you to advise on these things.

I would say doing this kind of thing has all sorts of constraints on it. And I think they've probably optimized pretty good. Could you optimize it a little bit more? Sure, if you want to pay a lot for a zigzaggy course or something like that. We want to get better power to the beach. I think we're all agreed to that. It's an engineering project. It's going to have some things. It's not going to be ideal for everybody. I would agree that my guess would be that if you need to keep the box at the Bryant Park and below surface even if that isn't the current design that's relatively easy to deal with um so and and from a regular user of that open space in the park seven by ten i'll put my yoga mat on top of it it'll be okay i think i you know i think thank you thank you sir yeah okay mr segrich and then we have a public comment

So the one on the beach, it's intended for it to be a structure, a 7x10 structure in the parking lot?

It's a 20-ton rated cover. Below the surface. It's a traffic-rated cover. Okay. It's not a building.

They're all below the surface. Yeah, we'll be parking on top of it again.

The box itself will be. Okay. You will see the lid. That'll be for easy access and pulling.

The electric car is charged like that.

Magnetic. So what will happen then is at a later date, we will come back outside of season and then dig a trench from that box because the conduit will be stubbed up, buried in this box. We will then dig a trench from there up the hill where the actual transformer will be because we're going to bring 26 KV, 26,000 volt power. It's currently 4 KV out to the beach. We're going to be bringing 26,000 out. So we'll dig a trench for that transformer. conductor eventually to be laid in the trench, probably in concrete, under the surface so you don't even know it's there, and then there'll be a transformer pad so the connections will come up into the transformer underground, step down to 4,000 volts, come out of their underground and tie into the rest of the existing 4,000-volt distribution system at the beach to the various establishments where there are then, again, smaller transformers stepping down further for those smaller buildings, those other operations. So it'll become part of that system. But you won't see anything other than, I believe, one 26 to 4KV step-down transformer on a pad at the beach, which is quite common all over town in our commercial establishments, commercial areas where you'll see these step-down transformers on pads. Everything else will be hidden from view underground, grass over the top, back to green space. Or in the case where the box will be in the parking lot, it'll be a paved over parking spot

Mr. Perry will be before or after Mr. Fisher. Okay.

And by the way, well, as they're getting ready to speak, we'll also restore, of course, the park back to the way it was before we started work there.

Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. I'm sitting here listening to the questions to the electric utility engineer, the director and everything. It takes me back to many other times. during meetings where you all got too far along trying to direct staff who you've hired to do these operations. They have the expertise. That's why you hired them. And I just wanted to remind you to depend on your staff that you have hired and praise and think very confidently. So I just want to... ask or say as a resident sometimes we get too far down a rabbit hole of redesigning what comes before the commission when it would benefit everyone to just get information that then is shared with the public rather than try and redesign remove and everything else because i think Our staff has a lot more information about the specifics that is being provided right here about all the things that have to be addressed under the intercoastal, anything like that. And I just wanted to encourage you all to remember that. Thank you.

Yes, Madam Mayor. I just wanted to make the commissioner aware that we are working with our communications team, Leisure Services. It works because, you know, we have several different projects going on over there. We're doing the lifeguard stations and whatever case. So we're definitely going to have to take a look at the parking. We have Labor Day coming up, those types of holidays. So we're still trying to work through the process of making sure we have enough available parking over there. So I just want you to be aware of that. There's going to be some There will be some challenges trying to make this work. So I just thought it was important that the commission is aware.

So that's a very good point. I'll add to that when we get to that part. But thank you for bringing that up. We are planning, if we have weekends, for example, that where we think the parking lot is going to be and we've lost 80 spots is running shuttles back and forth at no cost to the people that might want to use those shuttles. So we don't want to have a situation where we've used 80 spots during this period of time and then people can't go to the beach because those 80 spots are missing. We'll have shuttles that bring them back and forth. So we're working with the other departments in the city that decide, well, where will that parking take place and which days will the shuttles be available? What hours of the day to make sure that we don't create a problem.

And how will people know there's a shuttle?

We're going to get all of that information out. We're working on the communications plan as well. How will they know? Where do you pick up the shuttle? What hours will it run? Will it run every 10 minutes or 15 minutes or 30 minutes? Whatever that is. It would be an interesting concept, by the way, to see how shuttles work back and forth to the beach and where we want to stage that. Where do we want those folks to park? Will it be here at City Hall on a weekend, for example, or will it be at one of the that bohemian garage or what what location will it be at because we don't want to push that parking problem into downtown for example onto the streets where do we want to do that so there's a lot of logistics about this i'll point out in in i'm sorry vice mayor you were about to say something and i started about to say well we should offer shuttles and then you said we're offering shuttles so So in this picture, you'll see we've outlined the areas of Bryant Park that will be affected. In communications with staff in various departments in the city, we adjusted this to make sure that there was no loss of access to the immediate waterfront. So the public will still be able to walk along the park, along the waterfront. This particular area will be fenced off. Keep in mind, as I mentioned, Once that drill pops up and then we're going to start pulling back, the pipe will be staged. The sections of conduit, if you will, plastic will be fused. They'll come in in 40 to 60 foot lengths. They'll be fused together to as long as 800 foot and then pulled back. And the next section that's been fused of 800 foot will be fused to that section. It'll be pulled. So it's a little bit of an exercise. Exactly. Putting all the straws together so that they don't come apart and then pulling them all back to the hole. So that's an important part. Now, when all of that is done, we want to make sure that we repair the ground and restore it back to where it was. We do our walkthroughs to punch out not just one department, but multiple departments go through, make sure we're all happy with it, everybody's good. Okay, turn it over, remove all the fencing, opening it back up to the public.

It would be great if you, as this product, because it sounds so cool, as this project goes, take a lot of photographs so we can share with the public to see what we're doing over there. Videos, phone, yeah.

For the time capsule, which we should have.

Yeah, if there's something really cool, let us know, especially because we could have the kids, what is it called, the after-school program?

for the children that might be something cool to see and then they could be like i want to be an engineer so anyway this is you know the last time this was done we assume it was just they pulled the plow across and laid it into the ground and they think

dropped it over the edge.

That's what we think, right? That's not unusual for a cable back then. That's probably what they did is pull the plow and then pushed it in and backfilled it. And there it is. This will be far more, much more sophisticated, but it also gives us room for the future. So we think that, you know, folks who sit in these chairs, 30, 40, 50, 60 years and now say, Hey, we have a spare cable over there. We have a spare conduit. We can, yeah, we have a crossing. It was permitted and it's there. And the seagrass is.

Yeah, right.

How primitive.

Exactly.

Do you need direction from us, or is this just an update?

This is a significant objection. This is more of an update. We're going to continue on our pathway to move this project forward and keep you informed as we go.

Fourth. Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

Thank you. Continued good luck with this. Okay. New business. Resolution 27-2026. Amending the schedule of fees and charges for city services for fiscal year 2026. Who wants to start with this? I think Mr. Waters. We'll see. Who volunteers?

Thank you.

A lot of red.

This is all thanks to the new rule, right? Yeah.

Good evening, Mayor and Commissioner William Walters, Community Sustainability Director. Yes, indeed, these are a variety of fees and charge changes relative to both the changes that you've made to the business tax receipt business license ordinance several weeks ago, as well as planning for Senate Bill 803 and the fact that some things are having to move and not be going through the building process and will be going through a dedicated zoning permit process.

I just thought about when we talk about what's exempt and what's not exempt, putting in windows, is that something they'll still have to get a permit for? I think, yeah. Okay.

Anything structural related, life safety related, we'll still have to get a permit.

Thank you. So motion to approve. I have the light on.

Oh, I can second for discussion. Okay.

We have a motion and we have a second. Let's discuss. Ms. May.

Thank you. Two things. One, William, I'm seeing some of the zoning review of the building permits, and then it comes over here for the zoning permit. And it's increase in fee. So can you just explain the increase? And then is this going to align with the 27 fee structure?

Yes, we are trying per your direction to recoup the actual delivery costs that staff provides. And so many and the largest jump in fees in our department is with the planning, zoning, preservation staff. And these will be pulled over in the FY27 schedule of fees, which you'll see, I think, in like three weeks or something.

Right, I think it's the 11th.

Yeah, so we're already going ahead and implementing what we essentially would be doing for 27 a little early.

Okay.

And adding those new fees that we don't have right now.

I see. And then for the people at home, because I'm sure there's so many watching right now. The people at home, if they have a project that's $7,500 or less, what do they need to do?

They contact the building division and there's a process outlined on the city website and they submit, this is what we're planning to do. This is the cost. And as Mr. Schultz mentioned last night as the building official, they review it and get back and say, yes, you don't need to be, you're exempt. You don't need a permit. No, you aren't. You need to get a permit.

And it will also record in their file what they have done?

Yes.

Or what they are planning to do?

Yes. We have a property file that is growing exponentially the more that we do. And so those are on, they're not online yet, but I do eventually want to have them online. So you can, when you click on your little property in the GIS, all that related information that you could, you could pull.

Right. And so for the people at home, the purpose of the fact that we're still going to you guys is one, you have to ask for the exemption. It's not automatic.

Right.

And two, to have it in your file that it was done. So when you go to sell your house, it's not. Well, where did this come from?

Correct.

Okay. Thank you.

I do want to address a point before I forget. And I know that came up last night that we have a little issue with click to gov. I was playing with it today to try to find an application that was problematic. It appears that click to gov does not recognize our directions at the end of the street name. And so we kept putting in today like 16th Avenue South. It wouldn't come up. So eventually we had to pull up all of 16th Avenue and go through it. And I think I wrote that city manager. I don't know whether we can fix that or not because I found it and I appreciate I found it totally annoying because I usually use novel line where it does accept the direction in the right place. And I don't use click the go very often, but I was just curious. But you brought it up and I'm like, oh, crap, this is not great.

I have a question. Oh, Mr. Segrich, go ahead.

No, go ahead. OK. So in reading this, I understand the cause behind this was the $7,500 exemption. If I'm reading this right, are you creating a new type of permit called a zoning permit? Yes. So the state said, don't have permits, so now we're going to create a zoning permit for these things?

The state says you cannot have a building permit. What we created was a mechanism to document the zoning requirements that are still valid. And the easiest thing to not confuse people is now we have a zoning permit. Why don't you change it to zoning confirmation letter? or some long drawn out thing but we felt as staff and speaking to legal that zoning permit was the shortest most easy thing to understand because it does not even it never touches the building module or the building permitting process and it's not governed by the permit a what like a waiver permit so is it so somebody's going to have to fill out an exemption form per building and then they're going to have to fill out a separate form Well, they might, and if it's not related to the building code, which driveways aren't, fences aren't, there's not necessarily a need for an exemption. You'll file your zoning permit application. And part of that process we'll look at, because one of the things is like sheds. Well, there are sheds that are exempt from the building code. There's a point where a shed might become actually a structure. And at that point, the planning and preservation staff would know, oh, the zoning permit is applicable. However, now that the value and the size of or the structural nature of that shed is such, it now needs a building permit. So we're trying to have a check and balance within the department between the two divisions.

Okay. So it seems like we are adding another. We're taking the state took away one form of permit and we're adding another.

Well, you always had to meet the zoning requirements as part of your building permit.

I understand that. So then looking at it and saying, so for fences, what is the zoning requirements for fences? Are we talking about setbacks in the 30 inches?

There is a height limitation on the fence. It's four feet at the front until it meets the front setback. Then it can go to six feet. Fences are allowed to be eight feet along an alley. There's different requirements for commercial versus industrial requirements.

They're also... Well, we're talking about fences, but... Yeah, so these things are like setbacks, those kind of rules. And the materials. We do limit the materials that can be used for our fence.

Now, walls do require building. And so, because they're structural...

Okay, and so looking at the signs, just kind of questions on the fees, we still have wall-mounted signs at $55, and now window signs are $100 to review it. Exhibit A, page 1.

Yes, because we do have to do an inspection on those signs in that determining how much of a window is covered up. And I know there's something I've been asked to look at for the business advisory board in regards to a 20%, 5% rule. And so there's a bit more work in doing an evaluation for a sign than you would think. And there's more than an hour. And if you do the burden rate for city staff, you're at $100.

So window signs are doubly as complex as wall-mounted and more complex than a freestanding sign? for inspections.

William, I think the difference is between just the zoning review for the permit when the permit has to go through the building module for the inspections and all those other things versus the full zoning permit.

Right. Sorry, I missed that. Yeah, we have a lesser fee for the zoning review if it's accompanied by a building permit than we do if it's just a standalone zoning permit itself.

Okay. So that's because there's basically extra costs recouped inside the structure of the building permit, basically, for people to understand. So realistically, people looking at this and saying, oh, because of this new law, I'm not going to need a permit. The answer is actually, no, you actually are. You're just going to need a zoning permit, not a building permit. Right. And from a legal perspective, we think this is in the spirit of that new law.

We do. And it's not that you'll need a zoning permit for everything that won't need a building permit, but there are things that have always required zoning compliance and those will still need zoning compliance. This is a way to make sure that that isn't lost.

Okay. So there will also be inspections on the zoning permit? So basically nothing changes for people who are sitting there thinking, you know what, now I can fix my fence and not have to apply to the city. Nothing changes for that. Correct.

The process changes a little bit, but the amount of work we deal with it and work with it is essentially going to be the same. And keep in mind, and this is something I have been preaching since I got here, why fences and some driveways and other things were ever in the building permit module to begin with, which is not governed. The building code does not ever provide any guidance or direction on a fence. But because we were who we were when we took our Noveline system, we processed fences as a building permit. We can ask the same question about, are we not going to require revocable permits because that's a permit or a wide-away permit? Those are permits. And I don't like the nomenclature permit, but I have acquiesced and said, you know, I'm wasting white flag. We have lots of things that are called permits, but they're not all building permits.

Maybe we should change the name. Yeah, I heard you. I have a quick question as well. Here's my thought about this. So one question. So I get a zoning permit for my fence. Do you come and actually inspect the fence? No, right? You inspect where it is. But not the structure of the fence.

No, because there is no structural requirement of fence as long as it stands up. Right. We're going to be inspecting, you know, you gave us a site plan or a survey that shows where the fence is supposed to go. Right. And we will go confirm that was put where it was supposed to be.

Okay. So, and here's my thoughts about this. And I understand the zoning, you know, whatever you call it, whatever you want to call it. Here's the thing. These are going to be small projects for people. Over a weekend, I want to do something in my backyard. My question is, can we, on these zoning permits, have a very quick turnaround?

You addressed that yesterday, I think.

Two to three days is what we're aiming for?

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you. Predicated. We have a checklist. You provide all the information that the checklist requires. Okay.

And is it not predicated on your reviewing that it, in fact, does fall under the exemption? If it doesn't fall under the exemption, then it might be longer.

My question is, on the fence, are we still going to require the survey?

I'm working on, there's a component in the LDRs that allows the DRO, which I sit in that position, good, bad, or indifferent, to allow some adjustment to what is required that will meet the equivalent of a survey. I mentioned this last night that a site plan signed and sealed by somebody, an appropriate party, engineer, an architect, we do have an affidavit that the survey, if you have one, if it's old, it's accurate. We do check it and probably, 65% of the time the survey that they attest is accurate is not. And then we go from there and figure out how to help the person out as best we can. But we do need something that demarcates the meets and bounds of the lot. It is what it is. What's covering the property in terms of impermeable surface, where the buildings are. Because there are also issues that we do make people aware of. Many of our setbacks are really small. And when you put up a fence between two houses that are only six feet apart, you can't get your trash can through it. And we have had innumerable complaints about that. And also fire is somewhat concerned. They can't get to the back of a property. They would have to access from the back, like the alley. So we do make people aware, just be aware of things. If you try to put up a fence, which you're allowed to do, these are some things that you might encounter later.

thank you mr boy just to clarify and i i i haven't looked at the website to see how this works but my understanding is all right the state has changed things if it's under a certain amount the 7 500 it's a different process but we still have a process and the first step of it is we look at what you've written up and drawn up and proposed to do And we say, yes, this falls under the state thing. You need to pay us the little fee to do that, which is, I don't know, $35 or something. That's pretty minor. But we will come out to look at it when it's done to make sure that it is, in fact, what you said it is.

Let's separate what's governed by the Florida Building Code and what is governed by our land development regulations.

Okay.

If it is fallen under the Florida Building Code, that is where that exemption confirmation comes from Barry Schultz. And as long as it meets it, we don't come out and look at it. Okay. But fences... A lot of hardscape, accessory structures, and I think there's one other one I'm forgetting, landscaping, do not fall under the Florida Building Code. There is no exemption for that. It's a zoning confirmation.

So there's no change based on the state thing. Whatever we were doing before, we're still doing now.

We're just routing all those that are not governed by the building code directly to planning and preservation versus it going through the building division before it ever gets to planning and preservation. So there will be some time savings in that.

Great, thank you. And a deck that's not attached to the building, where does that fall under?

That's one for Barry to ascertain whether it's structural or not. Most decks are structural, and depending on the value, they likely would have to get a building permit or get a zoning exemption, I mean a building code exemption confirmation.

Meaning the state law thing. Yeah.

So that's not my area of expertise. If you want to answer, I'll bring it back to Barry and he can help me write you an email. I don't want to misspeak and have it out in the world that I was wrong, which has happened. Thank you, Mr. Zabridge.

Thank you, William, for the clarification. And when I went through all this backup, I did not pick up on the fact that we were creating a new type of permit or letter or whatever we want to call it, a process. I'm a little bit uncomfortable that we're creating a new permit process without modifying our ordinances. We're just creating new fees for these things, but we haven't modified our code to tell people that you now have to follow this new process.

Well, our current code doesn't tell you that you have to get a building permit to get a fence either. It does say that you have to get approval for your fence. And part of the interpretation and implementation of the LDRs, which is under my purview, I can establish policies and such that dictate how you implement the rules of the LDRs. And so instead of it going through the building permit process, the zoning confirmations or zoning permits are now going through the direct planning and preservation division office.

I'm still uncomfortable with that because confusion about what we do stems from the fact that a lot of things necessarily aren't spelled out clearly for our residents. I think a lot of people are going to look at this and just have a lot of issues. I would feel more comfortable if we would spell it out that says confusion. Your explanation is valid. These things are really zoning. They never should have been part of the building code to begin with, the building permit process to begin with. Yeah, I don't necessarily like calling it a permit either because then people will confuse it with stuff. But I really think that just establishing it by adding new fees is not going to be received well. And I don't think people are going to understand it. I think we need to have this spelled out in an ordinance. And also to Commissioner Malega's question about the survey, um i think we need to lay out what are your requirements um i understand that that would have been that would be in an ordinance right you know well there's a checklist already that we've created that you have for almost any kind of planning zone the checklist can change and the checklist is is sometimes incomplete you know i i've known i've i've had stuff kick back for stuff that's not on a checklist you know, and there's nothing we can do. It's just something that people were asked for. And, and I've had a lot of, um, feedback from residents and people trying to do stuff where they say, it's kind of a death by a thousand cuts. I filled out my checklist and now they want this and then they reject it. And now they want something else. And now they want something else that's not on the checklist. Um, so, you know, I, for one would like to have And if we're creating a new permit process, I would like to have that spelled out so that people can read it and understand, oh, this is why I have to do it. Because I can almost guarantee the first couple of people that come in wanting to do a small fence or change. a section of their fence in their front yard or add some pavers, they're going to go, this is BS. State law says $7,500. I don't need a permit. And once again, we'll have nowhere in our code to put it to and say, actually, right here is where it draws that distinction. And you can clearly see that you do need this zoning permit. permit or whatever we call it. I just think for the point of clarity, that's something that we should strive to do.

I don't like the word permit. It's just a confusing form. It says you don't need a permit. The statute says you don't need a permit, but it says a lot of other things as well. But I was just saying, I agree that I think it should be like a waiver form or something.

We are working on adding language into the code for zoning permits. That is one of the code changes that will be coming forward.

We need to get rid of that name.

I'm hearing what my colleagues are saying and I think that adding we're putting the cart before the horse. I think that needs to come first. Then the fees change.

Then you won't have The concern, I think, from the staff was to make sure that these things that have always come through for zoning review through the building permit process will be lost in the interim. And so that when does the law take effect?

July 1st, that already did.

That will lead to code violations for people not complying with the code for these zoning related issues.

Okay, so the... And I know this happens a lot with things that come down from Tallahassee. So basically the rhetoric that is we don't have to get a permit for $7,500 or less is the problem.

It's a misnomer. That's a building code permit.

But nobody... understands that. I mean, what I hear is anything that costs less than $7,500 at my house, I can do. That's what I hear. And I have been listening here for three years. So I think that Remember how much we had to teach people when we switched from the one bin to the two bins for recycling? This is bigger than that. And I really think that we need to do a lot of outreach on this. I really do. I think that this, because to Anthony's point, if the only notification we're giving is, oh, well, now there's different fees and they're twice as much, and they're going to be for next year too, which makes sense. I wouldn't say make fees and then change them for next year, which is a couple of weeks away. But I do feel like And maybe this is just us up here because we're the ones that are going to hear it. And you will, too. But it's going to be a lot of blowback and a lot of we don't understand. What do you mean? That's not what the thing said.

And we anticipated that because it is something fairly new. And we have worked with Rebecca to do a press release. We have put things on the website. We have made notices at our various advisory board meetings. Okay. There's a banner on the website that says, hey, this is different. There's a little flyer that we were going to try to do after last night and have it translated into both Creole and Spanish that says, when is it needed, when it's not.

Can we have Handy Andy do a little cartoon? Handy Andy says, Handy Mandy, the Spanish guy, what's his name, the cartoon? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't either. And if it pleases you, it's not going to be that complicated for us to just say zoning confirmation because we're working on the forms now.

Or just how about a zoning review? I mean, it's right here. Zoning review, zoning review, period. The zoning review.

I think it needs to be. Everybody thinks it's a waiver. I think the waiver word should be.

But it is. But we're not waiving anything. We're actually implementing the requirements of the LDRs by you have to have an approval.

You're basically still paying for a permit.

You have to have approval for your fence. Where is it going to be and how big is it and what is it made of?

Right. And it makes sense because it needs to be logged somewhere that there is a fence on that property.

Yeah, I don't necessarily have a problem with deleting permit or just saying or having zoning confirmation review, whichever is your pleasure.

Zoning confirmation letter, boom.

letter is is much softer yeah and it's kind of what it is isn't it we'd have to change the format so it looks like a letter when it gets issued because it looks like a permit now um and that isn't where i'll deal with that okay so is there anything that this law changes that one could do at their property without coming to you first Well, depending on how much like sliding you replace, which is not structural, if you're replacing parts of a fence, like there's a limitation in our, I think it's 16 feet. There are a number of items that could be exempted. I think the bigger problem we're going to have is that you don't get exemption at all if you're in a flood zone, the ones that Barry described last night versus the ones that aren't. So everybody that's basically east of Federal Highway, you're sort of out of luck.

Is that map on? Mm-hmm. Okay. Because there are different flood zones, like we were talking about last night. There's a flood zone that stops halfway down my street. Right. So if you live at this house, you have to. This house, you don't. Which is probably why Palm Beach County said, screw it.

We also have the problem where the flood zone itself line goes to the middle of a property. And if it does, then your house has to meet the worst case scenario the water is going to stop right there yeah magically it knows it knows halfway down yale it's just going to stop but i would i request it since it's just it's just are we there are going to be some kinks we're going to work through them as best we can yeah we'll apprise you of how the process is going so far it's gone pretty well uh but uh we do need and we like elizabeth mentioned we'll add the zoning confirmation letter um somewhere i don't really know what section it'll be in lvrs uh probably under administration section, I guess, or general provisions, but we'll figure out some place to put it.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. McBoy. And then Mr. Segrich.

I'm hearing a couple of things. I agree with the suggestion of my colleagues. Let's give it a different name than permit and figure out. And the letter name strikes me as pretty good, but you may have better ideas. I don't know. The other thing is I think I'd probably speak for some of my colleagues when I say that, as you mentioned, well, if it's this, then it's building. But if it's that, then it's actually not structural. There's a certain amount of glazing over that happens here. And if it happens to us, it guarantees happening to residents. And what I was thinking, would it be possible – to have essentially, and I would do it as an online thing, a tool, which is basically a flow chart. Do you live east of whatever, or whatever the demarcation for the line? Okay, then you're in this category. The 7500 state law doesn't apply to you at all. Everything stays the same as whatever it was before. If you don't, now you're in the 7500 category. Are you doing and then make it oriented to what a user thinks about? Forget about the building codes or this or that. Are you doing a fence? Are you doing a deck? And that's what Barry's checklist is. But make it as a thing where you work your way through it.

Are you a deck? We'll have to see what the webmaster can do. I don't want to promise him that I can't deliver because I don't do the web. That's done by somebody else.

But I think it would have some steps. And maybe you give people an option. Look, you can either work your way through it this way or you can go read the state code and read our code.

Or you can give staff a call.

What's that?

Or give staff a call.

Or an email. And maybe that's fine. I'm looking for a way to avoid your phone ringing off the wall and help at least initially screen. That would be my thought.

Number one, I would fully support Mr. McVoy's suggestion. I would fully support your suggestion from a technical standpoint. If our webmaster can't do it, we can find somebody who can. Creating an upfront wizard that just will drop them in the right spot. you know, we don't have to get ultra fancy with it and integrate and everything, but I absolutely think we do need a, a wizard, a walkthrough. Um, and that is something that we can do. So I would ask consensus of my colleagues to give direction to staff, to implement the HP 803 wizard, um, I did. Yes, I know about Andy, Andy. Yeah. No, but something like that could be incorporated.

Don't forget the city already has Mango Man and another logo guy that we already have.

That should be out there going tree? No, fence? Yes.

I would ask consensus for that. Great. Create a wizard on the website to navigate people through this and drop them in the right spot.

Sorry.

And I think that alone will also help handle some of the other situations of, do I need historic approval? Do I not need historical? There's probably five or 10 questions that your staff ask people right away when they call in, and we could guide them and just drop them in the right spot.

It'd be lovely if we could do it, yeah.

So the other question is, so this... new but not new permit. We'll call it for now. This only comes into play when they're going for an HB 803 exemption. Is that correct?

No, I saw this as a way to pull, again, items that are not governed by the Florida building code, such as fence. If 803 had never happened and I had my way 14 years ago, this process would have already been set.

This is how you would have done it and understood. But Mr. McVoy does raise a good point. Even people who are fairly knowledgeable about it get confused as to which input do I have to do? When I want to build something on my property, I think I need a building permit. Now, it's kind of like the same discussion with code compliance, where everyone says, oh, it's code. Well, actually, that's the building department. That's actually the zoning department. And Yolanda educates us on that. And I know Barry has said it a lot, where it's not me. It's planning and zoning. It's this, right? Especially around fences. Yeah. The general public doesn't understand that. And I don't think we should assume that they do or any amount of education is going to change that. It's not. We can do all the outreach in the world and we're still going to get people confused about it. And that's why I like the wizard approach. I think it's an opportunity because if they do have to apply for the HB 803 exemption, At that point, when they go through that, the answer they get back says, you're exempt from this. However, you need X, Y, and Z. And that this isn't its own little entity. It's really kind of that upfront. Yeah. And so explaining it in the code to people is, I think they'll understand it better through that, that you're submitting a building permit. I don't know for how many years, you said 14, we've been doing it that way, and it might not be ideal, but yeah. Over 20. And it may not be ideal, right? But that's the name we got, right? We got building permit. So we allow them to submit... Through that process, and then it routes them to, you need the exemption, you need this, you need this, you need that. I just think by introducing this, we're going to increase our problems if we don't do it. And we can use this as an opportunity to correct some of the upfront intake issues. issues that we have because you know i totally understand the fees um i i'm in support of of this um i think we just need it one spelled out in the code and two an upfront wizard process um that that drops people in the right spot or gives them the right checklist um to avoid confusion

So do you want me to change my motion to approval based upon our conditions?

Yeah.

Okay. I can do that.

I'm sorry. I'm very sorry to interrupt. So will the motion supersede the consensus or will it incorporate the consensus? Because I didn't hear consensus from everybody.

Well, we had a motion and a second for conversation. Yeah.

Yes, I have that. I had a consensus. Commissioner Medridge asked for consensus regarding the wizard.

Yeah, we gave consensus.

And then we went off on something else.

She's asking for the count for consensus.

For clarity, it would help us if your motion includes approval of the schedule of fees and changes, removing the word permit, we'll just call it zoning confirmation review for right now, the creation of a wizard that steps you through the process, and then bring forward at the earliest possible date, which is probably not going to be until September. Oh, shoot, it couldn't be September because it's got to go before the two boards. Some amendments to the LDRs to have this be codified in code.

What he just said.

All in favor.

And vote for what he just said.

Thank you.

Oh, I'm sorry. We have a public comment. Oh, sorry. Sorry about that. I apologize. That's Sarah's fault. Thank you.

Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. I'm just going to pretend like I'm not sitting here and I'm watching this online and listening to this discussion and I'm getting ready to put a fence on my backyard. So on one hand, there's this new HB 803 whatever that says you don't need a permit. But the city is going to say you need a zoning permit confirmation letter whatever and none of you have talked about okay if you were to get a fence you'd pay x for this building permit that we don't really need to get but now we're going to get a zoning permit and are we going to pay x plus z or x plus c I don't see it clearly laid out. Are the fees associated with getting a fence if you were under how it was operating before this rule ever came up going to be the same now that it's being changed? Because people look at what comes out of their pocket. And I'm not hearing any clarification on that. And I think that's a big thing for people, especially if what I'm hearing is, well, it's going to have to go through a different procedure. It's going to have to go through this review. And therefore, to cover all our costs, it's going to be Zed. which is more than X. And people are gonna be going, excuse me, the city's taking something that was passed to benefit residents in the state and are now making more money off of this. And I don't know if that's true or not. I'm just saying as a person sitting, watching this online, that would be my read. And it's stuff that's already circulating on social media. Thank you, that's fine. You have to address it.

Thank you, Mr. Hitchcock. No. Is that correct? No, Hitchcock. I got another thing. I see the light on, but we've actually already voted.

Wade Hitchcock of 1506. While you're on this subject, there's something I need to know because I'm already lost. I got a neighbor, chain link fence, garbage coming through the fence. I want to put up a regular fence. But now if you do that, you're kind of on her property because every fence line's in just a little. So you can't really leave a gap and let everything just grow and nothing get done with it. Are you allowed to put another fence next to her fence to protect your grounds on your property? And do you need to pull the permit? Okay, so I've got to pull a permit if I want to do it.

zoning zoning this is while you're on this subject all right

I'll go to his office. I just need to know. You'll need a zoning confirmation, whatever we're going to call it, to put up a fence. And there are people who have fences that are butted up against each other because one person has one taste of fence and the other person has a different style of fence they like.

Well, this was way back 30 years ago. Chain link fence, four feet. Everything's growing into my nice groomed yard. And I'm trying to prevent her rodents and everything coming over.

You should. But as long as it's in the setbacks and all that, I think it's going to work.

So I can put up a fence next to her fence.

All right, that's trying to get an idea. Mr. Senators?

I just wanted to clarify because I did think I read it this way. So taking the defense example and the payments, previously my building permit was based on a percentage calculation. I forget exactly what we paid.

It was usually the minimum building permit because the fences didn't exceed a certain amount. And that was, I think, $115, which we're now raising to $135 for FY27. So now the fence will be... 150 which is basically a small raise well you did in doing a fence under the old way you paid a processing fee a building permit fee and a zoning confirmation fee so it should be a little bit less okay for offense than it is now the answer to the question is it's actually streamlining that it's going to be there are fewer charges okay and they're clearer now here too because it's just in one spot

Okay.

So we did. Madam Clerk, did you understand that we voted?

Yes, Madam Mayor.

Okay. I just want to make sure because we did. Thank you so much.

I'm sure we'll be back for clarification in a couple months.

No doubt. Okay. Next up is the agreement with Brightview Maintenance for Golf Course Maintenance Services for the Lakewood Beach Golf Course Club. Golf Club.

Good evening, Stuart Sword, Collegiate Services Director. So the current contract for wraparound ground maintenance services ends on August 17th. So staff, big shout out to Finance Procurement, did a phenomenal job with the RFP process. We had four respondents total. I'd like to thank those four respondents. They submitted very deep and impressive proposals to the city. A selection committee convened on June 24th. uh consistent of three city staff supervised by procurement and they evaluated all four of those respondents the staff landed on brightview and brightview is the current uh provider for landscaping services been there any questions that concludes my comments presentation are there any comments second no madam mayor i have one comment on the next item okay um we have a motion a second all in favor aye aye

JoAnne Hanrahan, Thank you very much, I need the guys are the ones who go. JoAnne Hanrahan, To what time. JoAnne Hanrahan, Because I don't call golfers. JoAnne Hanrahan, yeah. JoAnne Hanrahan, Okay next up is see royal pan santa park improvement option selection. Leisure Services, there you go.

Yes, good evening. Stuart Sword again, Leisure Services, also accompanied by Chris Hanna, the park superintendent. We've got a presentation that's coming up. This is the same presentation that was presented to Royal Poinciana on June 17th, 7 p.m. in the Bohemian building. In attendance was Commissioner Malega, as well as the Royal Poinciana neighborhood president, Ms. Bunny, and eight representatives of that neighborhood. The outreach continued after that meeting to query the neighborhood what would be of interest. The skate park received one input vote selection, and option number two, which I'll cover shortly, received all the other input selections from the community. I'm gonna just guide us through this presentation briefly, and then that'll conclude the presentation. So this park was upgraded back on October 1st, 2021, approximately five years ago. In the budget for this year and fiscal year 26, it is a capital improvement project funded out of the general fund with bonded money in the sum of $180,000 and 500. Again, this was presented approximately a month ago, referencing some of our source documents, our adopted open space recreation master plan. This is page 130 and page 131. Address is 32 South B Street. The next slide shows the condition that was annotated by Chinmore Associates. Receiving a one ranking on the left-hand side of the screen is poor condition, and it's noted as unusable. I'll continue on, and you'll see why it received that type of ranking. So original conditions approximately five years ago. You can note the fence and note the color of the futsal court. Futsal court received... Beautiful. Received a lot of use, a lot of demand, and you'll see the result of that here shortly. Notice the fence is completely gone and or replaced. It's been replaced by a wooden structure all the way around. The playground that's currently there is rated for ages two to five. You can look at the size of it and just tell it's lower to the ground. That's not being removed. That's going to remain under this capital improvement project. The spinner and the rock climber, which is also ages two to five, will remain. It's to the west of that part. So the area we're talking about, excuse me, it's to the north. The area we're talking about improvement is to the south. We submitted, staff put together pretty much four different design options, all kind of distinctly different based off age groups and the functionality of the first was a skate park. Skate park did receive one essentially input selection from the community. Just another vantage point of the skate park. Option two, this was the selected park by the community based off the age two to five and five to 12. It also comes with an expression swing, which is distinct, and it does have the largest shade canopy, and the color scheme is consistent with Royal Poinciana. Just another vantage point of that area. Option number three, I would say this was second place, if you will, but it does have a smaller shade canopy. It does include the same age brackets. Just another vantage of it. It does include the swings, but the shade, and a lot of the community was very interested in the artificial and the natural shade. Option four, a distinctly different option. Note it's five to 12, not two to five as well. So we're kind of expanding the age range of that park. And this is the community input that the committee filled out that should be in the backup. You'll see quite a few comments there for option number two and kind of why they selected that based off the color scheme, the shade, the variety for the age brackets. And Commissioner Malego is there. Any questions? That concludes the presentation.

I just want to say thank you again to Chris and to staff. Ramsey and I put a lot of time and energy into getting a park for Royal Poinciana. When I say time, I mean like eight years. So when this park was destroyed by outside people who came in and overused the futsal court, it really... It made the community sad. I'll just leave it at that. On an average, we were picking up about, I'd say two huge trash cans of beer bottles every single week. So, and this is like Saturday, Sunday, like constant. So I'm glad that this is going back towards the kids. We have a lot of kids in the neighborhood and we don't want them crossing main streets. And the community was very, very, very much in favor of option two. They did just ask if we could get a bigger shade sale because there's not a lot of trees over the playground. But I would like to make a motion to approve, and thank you again for taking the time and coming out to the meeting and really doing all your due diligence, Chris. Thank you.

Thank you. We have a motion by Ms. Mulligan. I have a public comment, Madam Mayor. Yes, I know, and I have a card here, too. We're doing the motion in a second.

Second.

Second by Mr. Segrich. We have public comments from Ramsey McLeod. Please come up. Oh, sorry, Mr. Rivoy.

What would you like to say? I discussed this, I think, at two of my one-on-one meetings with staff. And my concern, knowing some of the history with the park and that a lot of good faith effort was put in on the first round and around 2021 and probably for a while before to get it to that point, to get approvals and so on. And then it didn't work out for a variety of reasons. My concern was that we should We probably want to learn from that experience and go maybe extra and above beyond to make sure that we have some good thorough way of assessing community support and also trying to create some deep level community buy-in with it so that we don't go with the same thing and have community investment and a lot of disappointment. And I pointed out that, you know, what I know of that part of it, it's not my district, I understand that, but I do have an amount of familiarity with it, is it's not so easy to get that contact into the community. That that is, you have a lot of people who... Don't necessarily interact with government all that happily that are definitely not very likely to be involved in neighborhood associations. And so my suggestion was find some additional way to get that buy in so that you have the community protecting whatever you do. and pretty much a strong assurance that it it will be in fact something that's supported it was pointed out that that all sounded good maybe a lot of extra work but good but there's a time frame because the money needs to get spent by the end of the year and i said well could you encumber it and i did go to habitat homes and i that's the extra outreach that we did we went to other homes and the people who didn't attend and we got more input than just the people who attended And roughly, I mean, numbers doesn't necessarily tell you, but it gives some idea. You mentioned that there were more, but I didn't hear a number really on it.

Yeah, they came in kind of sporadically since we did that meeting on June 17th. Totality, I think it was in the range of 17 to 20 total, like hard input, you know, residents filled that form out.

I still would encourage in the interest of protecting the investment to do a deeper one. I think it could be done perhaps in parallel to what you're doing. And that it's not necessarily that you're looking for input on do we want this choice or that choice, but more can we build a more solid community base so that the community itself is helping do some of the, hey, guys, you can't do that, whatever it is that somebody's trying to do that might be destructive. And I recognize that that's not easy, and you might need help from some other organizations. I suggested possibly the Guatemala Maya Center might be an organization that they have a lot on their plate, and some of it is at a much more serious level, but they have very extensive reach into the community and um it's just a suggestion in terms of of increasing likelihood of long-term success thank you mr segrich oh oh wait no yeah mr segrich

I think it's a shame what happened to that park. I wouldn't term it as the park wasn't successful. I would term it as individuals were abusive to a wonderful asset that was wildly popular, actually. And it's an absolute shame. So I don't think that the original park was a failure of design or thoughtfulness. I think it was a success, but outsiders ruined it. And that is my primary concern with this. Thank you to Commissioner Lega and Ramsey and all those in the community that came together on this. It seems like we have a cohesive design, which is a little different than the Tropical Ridge Adventure we went down. So this process is a lot smoother and I really appreciate that. Fully support it. A couple of things. If we have any money in the tree beautification budget, I would love to see a nest planting here in this park. And I think they could accomplish that very quickly, get some large shade trees in there. I also think just as we asked for in Tropical Ridge, we reserve some budget in there for a camera that PBSO has access to. And I'm not up on the statistics of what happened in that park. would seem as if that activity went on for that long and got that destructive and the amount of alcohol containers you were picking up i don't think many people were arrested in that book and that's shame as well because i am sure um people were people were made aware of it um and and you know people ask and and wonder you know why did we think the investment in the park rangers um was important This is a great example. And I'm excited to see dedicated PBSO resources to this and protect these assets. Because as we beautify these things, it is up to the community to maintain them, but it's also up to us to be good stewards. And if there are bad actors, make sure that we come down on them severely because this is a major investment in our city each time we do it. And to have to redo it and have the community suffer multiple times, it doesn't sit well with me, but I fully support it. But my asks would be for trees out of that budget. So I don't know if we have any agreement from up here on that.

Yes. And camera to aid the ESO. Did have a camera across the street. I don't know if it's still there. At one point, I think we had to move it to another area.

But we did have a camera literally right across and we did.

I think we had 18, 19, 20 arrests over like six months. And that was after we put signs in Spanish and we did everything we could to communicate that you can't drink in do all this damage. But we did have a PBSO camera. I don't know if they moved it.

It was on one of their roving cameras. So they moved it to another high target area of crime. Yeah. Now may I speak? Now you may speak. Sorry. Ramsey McLeod, 24 South C Street. I just want to thank the leisure services staff and particularly Mr. Chris Hanna. He has consistently worked with Commissioner Malega and myself to bring this park into reality and to take care of this park, even though it has been subjected to continual destruction at the hands of adult males who took over the futsal court as soon as it was installed. Unfortunately, they dissipated all park rules and regulations and basically ran the children off so they could not play. Mr. Hanna has made several modifications to the area surrounding the futsal court to try and prevent further destruction of the green fencing and try to keep the soccer balls from landing in the street or a neighbor's yard. However, eventually the goals had to be removed because the damage was so extensive. That did not deter Mr. Hanna. He reached out, and we've had many discussions about what could be done to make this park more accommodating to children in the area. As budgeting monies became available, he began searching for replacement playground equipment, and several alternative ideas were suggested for the futsal area of the playground. In the end, more playground equipment was decided to be the best fit for this space. After the presentation was made to area residents, all agreed that a larger expanse of playground equipment and swings would be the best replacement option. I would like to encourage you to support this project and the associated expenses so we can update this park and our children can once again enjoy playing in it. And I think the larger additional problem is it's not just our park experience with the futsal court. It's every park that we have or empty lot. These adult males come in here to play soccer and they destroy stuff. And we can't get any help. We've been to the Guatemalan Center. We've asked the network with the churches to explain to the men that in our country, our culture holds children in very high regard. The men don't take the priority. but we're not able to communicate that cultural difference to the Guatemalan community or any of the immigrant males that live in that area. So if you find a workaround and figure out how to do that, you'll resolve a lot of the capital improvement costs we're incurring because of the damage that this specific group of men are causing. Thank you. Thank you.

Madam Clerk, did you have a comment?

Yes, I have one comment.

Thank you. Northeast ball fields at the same time.

Yes, the comment is from Bunny Rivera, president of Royal Point Sienna Neighborhood Association, 101 South East Coast Street, mayor and members of the city council on behalf of the Royal Point Sienna Neighborhood Association, we respectfully ask for your support of option two for the Royal Point Sienna Park improvements. We believe this option provides the best balance of accessibility recreation, and long-term value while creating a welcoming space for residents of all ages. Royal Poinciana Park is an important community gathering space, place, and investing in this vision will strengthen our neighborhood for years to come. Thank you for your consideration and for your continued commitment to improving our public spaces. That is the only comment I have for this evening.

Thank you. I have a question. Are there a lot of benches for the moms to sit on while they're seeing their kids?

So there's current benches and a pavilion there. And a part of this, we will add at least two more benches, possibly more with any residual money or O&L money.

They actually destroyed, we have a table, a four-top table, and they melted the plastic that was over the table. You wouldn't believe what we've gone through at that park. It's been challenging.

Thank you. And I think Ramsey's point is well taken. All right. We have a motion. No, we don't. Motion to approve.

I'm sorry.

I'll amend it to include tree planting through nest and finding budget for security camera. Got it.

Do you just second to agree? I agree.

Okay. I'm just concerned that Everything I'm hearing doesn't give me confidence that the set of problems that led to problems before is going to be any different.

There's no more futsal court.

Right.

So they won't be able to play there. We're recovering the futsal court with playground equipment for the kids so the kids can come back.

Well, I certainly hope that that works, but I am concerned that...

and i don't necessarily know what the solution it's it's a broader community hopefully hopefully well maybe we have a lot of parks and some of them are views and some aren't all right all in favor hi hi hi um item numbers d motion to approve by mr mccoy second by mr segerich are there any public comments ma'am

No, it's the same.

No, I have no more comments.

I have no cards up here. So all in favor? Aye. Thank you.

Okay.

Commission liaison reports and comments. Thank you very much. Thank you for the work that you do. Chris, you do a big job and you do a great job doing it. Yeah. And thank you, Ramsey. Thank you. Okay. Commissioner comments and reports. Who wants to start? Ms. Malega from District 1. We'll just go down the road.

So tomorrow is the League of Cities luncheon. I'm looking forward to that. Thursday's a very busy day. We have backpack stuffing with the fire department. Thank you to Vice Mayor May for making sure that I knew that that was happening at the Education Foundation. I'll also be touring Madison Terrace that day. And then I have a big meeting with a non-for-profit here at City Hall. And then we have Healthier Lake Worth Beach, our annual outreach at the Osborne community at six o'clock. Healthier Lake Worth Beach will come and do their annual update They do a lot of visioning with the community. What does the community want us to focus on next? What programs are happening? So that'll be six o'clock at the Osborne Community Center.

Is that Thursday? That's Thursday.

That's all on Thursday. I did miss Splash Day, but I hear it was a great success. I'm sad that I didn't get to go this past Saturday to Splash Day. And Compass's fundraiser for SmartRide is Sunday at two o'clock at Mad Hatter. Please come by. I'll be there. donate to the fundraising there's going to be silent auctions there's going to be jello shots there's going to be lots of fun and it is a major fundraiser for compass for the smart ride this year which now goes from orlando to tampa orlando to st pete orlando to st pete no longer down to the keys so if you have any time on sunday please come out two o'clock to the mad hatter i said two to seven thank you very much mr mcboy thank you um

I think I'm going to focus on something that I've raised before, but there have been things that have happened both in the city and in the county and nationally that make the picture a little different. I think all of us are aware that on the Thursday that we were in budget meeting around our lunchtime, we had a quite a massive gathering of various law enforcement folks including pbso but primarily driven i believe by f8 florida highway patrol and unmarked ice folks um did include some people in masks a person who had a valid work permit and had a valid driver's license was apprehended um I have, and then there has been another surge of ice activity in Palm Beach County. The descriptions of that that I read indicated, again, that PBSO was an involved agency. That concerned me that that was reported. I assume that it was reported accurately, but I don't have a way to independently verify that. I think, well, I don't know whether people are aware, but a person who was not even being looked for by ICE in Texas was shot and killed. A person in Maine who was not being looked for and had legal permits but happened to be Hispanic, as was the person in Texas, was shot and killed by ICE. In Florida, I don't know whether it was Florida Highway Patrol or ICE that went after a person, but that person wound up getting run over and killed. I don't know what their status was particularly. I am very concerned that folks that are involved in immigration control have, by all accounts, pretty limited training. At this point, there is nothing to prevent them from coming in with masks, without identification, coming in in unmarked cars, which they do. I've seen them. And That opens us up to liability and to problems. I would hate for us in Lake Worth to be the next community where somebody is shot as part of immigration. I would really be pretty upset for that to be happening, especially because we in our community has done nothing to protect I would like to ask for support from my colleagues that part of our duties with our contractor, PBSO, is to make sure that any law enforcement that's operating in the city not be masked, have judicial warrants, not administrative warrants, but a judicial warrants that says you have judicial approval to go into a particular building for a particular person for a particular reason. And if the law enforcement agency doesn't have those permits, it should be part of the protecting the health and safety and welfare of our community that PBSO says, I'm very sorry, you do not have a valid judicial permit. You can't be doing that in our community. That would be protecting our community. That is not happening at this point. We have a state law that says you have to be 25 feet back, and Florida Highway Patrol is very quick to assert that. I think it would be reasonable for us in our PBSO renewal of our contract to say that all law enforcement operating in the city has to be identified, can't be masked, has to be identified in a way that is readable at well above 25 feet. Otherwise, it's pretty useless, the identification. And so I would be looking for... us to do some looking at the PBSO contract, make sure that whatever changes we make apply to all law enforcement agencies, and that we do protect what's going on. I also have a concern, and it's something that I just can't quite understand. The federal statement has been that we are going after the worst of the worst, the violent criminals, the gang rapers, the gang members, any number of serious things. They've been at it for a year. Their approach is to grab people off the street. Now, I'm not a criminology expert, but I've read enough to know that that's not how that major operation that happened in our city, G and H, 9th and 10th South, that took lots of effort from local law enforcement, lots of planning, a year's worth of work, many people, and it very successfully addressed a major crime problem. Very different from grabbing people off the street. If federal law enforcement has an effective technique that's going after the worst and worst, and they've been doing it a year, I would think that there's nothing left for local law enforcement to do. We've gotten all the bad guys out of the city. If you take what is being told to us and what our taxpayer tax funds are being used for, if you take that at face value of what we're being told, we should be all cleaned up by now. We don't need to do anymore. I don't think that's accurate. I think local law enforcement going after real criminals is a slow, careful, methodic, deliberate approach, not just grabbing some landscape guy or a roofer off the street who's on his way to work. So I have real concerns, and I would be looking for some support from my colleagues that we really look at our contract and look at how we are making sure that things that really do keep our community safe are part of whatever law enforcement is in our city.

Thank you.

Thank you. Ms. Mayne? Thank you. Ms. Maliga kind of shared my schedule for the rest of the week as well, because I'm doing the same things. I'm actually going to be at Madison Terrace kind of overlapping both you and the mayor because of timing, because I had it early in the morning and I'm going to do the backpacks. So I am excited to go stuff the backpacks for the Education Foundation, which we are You got a lot of me this week. Yes, lucky you. And I'm excited to go to the Healthier Lakewood Beach update that I think is one of the best programs that we have here in the city. And I'm glad that we do fund it at some level. I... We have, let's see, next weekend is NAPC. It feels like it's been forever because we didn't have one in July. So they'll be in NAPC meeting next week. We are looking to have them work with Leisure Services on the evening on the Ave coming up in August. So that'll be good. I love when when groups can work together for the betterment of the city. One of the things that I was talking about is the and we can talk about this when we talk about the annex next week. But one of the major expenses for the city and for the annex is the watering of the grass. at the cultural plaza and it is then fenced in and nobody gets to really use it anyway so when we do start to talk about parks and we start to talk about turf we may want to consider doing something like an artificial grass there I know people are going to lose their mind, but an artificial grass there for maintenance, as well as it, because it is, we hopefully will start to be able to use it more and more and more. And, and, you know, you don't want to go have events on mud, which is what it will end up being. And I don't think that having it fenced off all the time is really good either. I mean, people should be able to put down a blanket and have a picnic and, you know, enjoy, enjoy that park for what it is. Um, So that was just on my mind. But I know we're going to be talking about the annex next week. And I'm looking forward to that conversation. And I think, yeah, and I guess just my message to the community is to one of the things that we do have personal responsibility for is our own landscaping. And I would walk outside if you have a sidewalk, walk outside in front of your house and see if you're landscaping. goes into and covers the sidewalk. Because even on my street, I can't walk my dog next to my boyfriend. Like we can't, and it's not the sidewalk, it's fine. It's the three feet wide or whatever it is. But it's all these trees that are growing over and the bushes and everything. And that's personal responsibility. And then we do have the corner blindness. So, I mean, if you live on a corner, please go look when you're pulling off of your street. Do you have to creep into where the... The pedestrian walkway is if you do, you need to get your bushes cut before code comes and finds you because it's unsafe. And I really don't want to have to have people be coded for that because it isn't life safety, but it's very dangerous. Stop it, Ramsey. But so, I mean, and, you know, I just, these are the things that I kind of noticed. And these are the things that, you know, we as members of this community do have a responsibility. The city can't do everything. And that is something that is personal responsibility to take care of your own landscaping. So thank you. Mr. Segwidge.

Thank you, Mayor. I will also be stuffing backpacks so you get to see me too as well. Tomorrow is a busy day. I'll be Thursday visiting Madison Terrace as well. So excited to do that. I wanted to just say thank you to the community for everyone who came out for the boards. Looking at the EDU board, we went from a task force to a board, and that created a little bit of a stir with some of the existing members and so on. But I think the community really stepped up for that, and it looks like if everyone accepts, we'll have a full board for that for the first time in a long time. Which is great. And I would encourage people to apply for the other boards, your application stays on file in a year. And, you know, we just now because of one appointment have a new opening on the planning and zoning board. We also review attendance periodically, and that creates openings. So don't just wait. Get those applications in. It's a great way to get involved with the community. Speaking of community involvement, Benny's on the Beach is having its 40th anniversary this weekend. They've got three days of things planned, including, I think, dinner Friday night, cookout on Saturday. I forget what Sunday was. Cleanup, beach cleanup. So just a cool way to get out there, support local and see your friends and neighbors and so on. Should be good. I did a town hall on the 15th. It was a good success. It was a lot of good conversation and so on. Interestingly enough, I guess they take on their own direction. It didn't really focus on what I thought it was going to. People had more questions on other stuff. But that's good, right? And we had some people get up and say some things and other people in the audience thought it wasn't appropriate and so on. And I just want to reiterate, town halls are the time for everyone to come, whether you're a resident, a business owner, or somebody interested in the city or anything like that. And so long as you're respectful, you're always welcome to speak at those. And so thank you for everyone that came out to that. We've been doing a lot of changes in regard to code compliance, ordinances, planning and zoning, and really looking at our processes and procedures and how it deals with residents and businesses. And that's not easy. And it's not easy on the residents and businesses coming in and voicing their concerns. It's not easy up here weighing that and making those decisions. And it's certainly not easy on staff because when we're looking at these processes, we're not really Coming out and saying, well, these are all the things we're doing right. It's more of these are the things that are having challenges and that we need to improve. And I really think staff has stepped up the game in responding to these needs. And we're seeing things coming back a lot quicker with it and ideas and ideas. I think they're getting excited about improving the processes and they're bringing forward ideas that they've had sitting and waiting to do and may have felt stifled before. So I would continue to encourage everyone in the community to keep sending us these items to work on. And I would encourage staff, too, if there's ways that you want to improve these processes, Who better than, than them to, to come back? You know, we had a great example tonight with Mr. Waters and the zoning review. You know, that wasn't something I entered into that conversation, even thinking about, but through staff, we, we, we have that. So I think the city is moving in a great direction with, with that. And that is about it for me.

Thank you. I just have a couple of things. Friday morning, the agenda meeting, I have a calendar call at the same time for a trial. So I will pass it on to you. I'll get there back as soon as I can, but it's up to the judge. A couple of years ago, it feels like now, PalmTran came to us and said, we're going to improve the bus system. You know, we're the heaviest user and we're going to get shades and Dixie Highway is going to be better. And I'm going to ask if we could follow up with that because nothing has happened. And it's been a long time and we are the heaviest user. And I see people standing out there in the heat with no shade, with no place to sit down. I think that's just not right. So I would ask for a follow up on that. The Municipal Institute is starting soon, and I'm wondering if I can ask, do we know, have there been applications coming in for it? Ms. Tiana? How many slots do we have, 25?

Hi, Madam Mayor. Hi. Tiana McKay, Interim Assistant City Manager. We have 30 spots, 25 are for adults and five of them are for high school students. And at his first come first serve, we will create a waiting list. So if we do have more, then we will be sure to have them invite them to the next round.

Okay, great. And have we had applications coming in?

We have had applications coming in. I don't have the exact number, but I'll have an update from the PIO tomorrow.

Are we reaching out to the high school? I'll help doing that.

We're doing a call-out. So the PIO is creating a graphic to do a call-out on social media, and we can share that with you so that you can be sure to be included.

I go up there sometimes.

And along those lines, oh, here was a question I think, and I mentioned this to you the other day about the Municipal Institute. You know, the information that the folks, I mean, it's wonderful. They walk around, it's visceral, they experience it. But on some level, there are certain things that we could have that like the head of, you know, Vaughn go without having it right there, just do the tour on a video and put that on the website so that people, even though they're not able to make the Institute, will be able to have the same kind of information One of the things we're trying to do is to get our residents more involved and more informed about how things are going. I think that would be helpful. We talked about the logistics of that or how to work with replicate the information so that everybody can share.

And I would ask that you guys do that. Thank you. We'll follow up on that.

Okay, great. Thank you. And it was very lovely to see Mr. Ed from the other night passing the gavel as the past president to the new president. And that's really all I have. And Mr. McVoy, I'm not looking for a response, but I think, you know, you are not the only person that is deeply concerned about what's going on out there. And with that, I pass it on to the city management.

even there. Just want to thank the commission for meeting last night in the co-committee. I think it was a very informative discussion. I think we did. the two meetings put together, we did come out with some different, you know, some different items that we can change and because all a little more business friendly within the city. So I do want to thank the commission for that. Also, I want to thank fire rescue for their public education a few days ago. It was outstanding. Good information about the fire service and how they respond to the citizens.

I forgot to thank you for the tour and the wonderful lunch. Thank you guys. Thank you. Pass that on, please.

And I did have an opportunity to visit another fire station yesterday. So I'll be giving you an update on the second fire station. Well, I will be proud by you with the update on that. My findings about at that station yesterday. Also, staff is in the process of finalizing the budget review. Remember, we promised that we would go back and look at those items that the commission directed us to look at. So we're in the process of putting all that information together. We'll be submitted to the commission. So look forward to probably coming into this week or probably early next week. And that's all I have.

Thank you very much. Madam Attorney.

Good evening.

Good evening.

I wanted to let you all know that this city has been served with a lawsuit regarding property at the golf course. We are working on figuring out who will be representing this city in that action, and then we'll be sending a notice out to you, giving you a summary of the action and who the contact will be for that case. As you know, we're working on lots of ordinances and contracts and other things, and everything's going great. Let us know if you have questions.

I do. I may have a question. Have we had any word back on the motion for summary judgment on the Lake Worth for all versus Lake Worth?

And we we've been checking with outside counsel periodically. And as soon as we get that back, we're actually waiting on word from a judge or two in several cases. So we're hopeful that we'll get those responses soon.

Yes. Sometimes it's 18 months.

We hope not that long, but it's been a few months already.

Thank you.

All right. Motion to adjourn.

Second by Mr. McBoy.