Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I'll go ahead and call this meeting to order. It's 402 based on this clock. Whichever one we want to use and we'll go ahead and start off with the roll call. So, say present if you're here. Luke Horning is here. Ethan Kirk should be coming soon. Charlie Benny here. Matt Bulock present. All right. Um, first question. Are there any changes or additions to the agenda? Um, staff has nothing for you this evening.

Just wondering, so I see the new business. Um does that allow for some discussion? Um well we do have yes new business will but we do have an update um for you regard regarding um board vacancies. Is that what you were working and no discussion on you know new code adoption among members? Absolutely. We have a presentation that's been prepared. We have a slide deck for you. Um we we're our code crew is here to talk about those c code adoptions and then we have do have space at the end for questions. Okay.

Um certainly we can pause um through the presentation um this afternoon if if you you know want to stop us as we go along and have some questions. Otherwise we we've uh created space at the end for questions as well. Great. That should be sufficient. There there are no minutes to approve since it's been a couple years now. So can skip that and then updates and uh staff and boards. So awesome.

Um so uh as you know we uh the board of review is a five member board and so we currently do have a vacancy and we've been um advertising that vacancy online. We have uh received um one uh contractor that um uh practices locally. He's a plumbing contractor, Carlos Mariano, um, who is interested in serving on the board. And so, um, I would like to, um, ask for some discussion on that from the board of review because if the, uh, members of the board would like, we can take a recommendation to the board of county commissioners for an appointment, um, to the board. I don't believe we've received any other through our portal. Um, so Carlos reached out to me directly. Um, said that he was interested in serving on the board, has experience in Lake County. I know you all know him. So, um, I would just open that up for discussion. Um, if the if you'd like to entertain that idea.

Yeah, I think Carlos Sevilla, excellent choice, um, for the board. He's brings a no nononsense uh, approach to um, and he's very knowledgeable. So, yeah. So, yeah. And I agree. Um, I don't have as much experience with him, but I've heard great things and worked with him a little bit and I think it'd be good to have his perspective from the plumbing and heating side of things. We haven't ever had that and it certainly valuable with with everything he has to look through. So, I agree. I think he's great. It'd be a great addition, good uh good knowledge base from a different perspective.

Okay. And would you like to entertain a motion to uh make a recommendation to the board of county commissioners to uh appoint Carlos Mariano to review? I motion to um appoint Carlos to the board. I'll second I'll second the motion. All in favor take a vote. All in favor? I I All right. staff will take that recommendation to the board of county commissioners at the next regular meeting. Great.

And that's all that really um staff has for you. We're going to get into a lot of discussion through the slides um about next steps in this uh 2026 year of codes. Um so we'll present that kind of and open it for discussion for you um as part of the presentation tonight. Okay. How's it going? Good. Ethan, he's going to add you to the roll call. Yeah, for sure. Um, just a little catch up. We did just make a vote to recommend Carlos to be our fifth board member. Okay. And that's uh that was passed by the three of us anyway. And that's going to go to the commissioners now for approval there. Okay.

So, we can fill that fifth vacancy. Um, which Carlos? Carlos Mariano. Okay. Yeah. Then do we have any old business to discuss? Um, I have nothing for you. Okay.

Then I think we're ready for new business. Move right on to the presentations. Oh, do I actually take care of you? So, uh, we just thought we would start with a round of introductions. Um, this evening, I think, um, the board of view has already identified themselves, but if you would all like to just, um, do a quick introduction to, um, maybe your students partners and and members of the audience today um, and just kind of, um, in what capacity you serve, um, the community. So, if that sounds good, we can start with you, Charlie. And I've been on the board for a while.

You have been on the board for a while. I've been uh lived in Lake County for um probably 33 34 years, something. And um been building for about 25 years, give or take. And uh um love it here and enjoy it. and uh just really enjoy working with everybody um that I get to be with.

So, I'm Luke Corning, board chair. I've been on the board for five years. I don't know. It's gone by quick. Yeah, we were uh on for the last round of new codes. Um been in construction most of my adult life. I work for KW Construction and then I also have my own design company as well for architectural design.

And I'm Ethan. Uh my uh business partner and I are general contractors with Downstream Construction. I've been on the board yeah a little bit longer than Luke, but not much. Uh I'm the vice chair. Um I've lived in Lake County since 2017 and I love to uh literally and figuratively help build this community. So that's why I'm in my position here. Matt, do you want to Hey, Matt Bulock, local contractor and uh newish member of the board. And maybe then we could go to the Shumes team.

I'm Cole Cloud. I'm the Colorado regional director for Shumskota. Um and we'll be helping consult on the code adoption against for you guys. Fill in occasionally for John. He's our inspector up here. ly seen my face in his pictures other than that coordinate all interviews those kind of things that come through so we're with you gentlemen on the other side he's taking over for Steve Thomas yeah took over for Steve and a few of you know um hope oh we can't hear you hope now we and

coming to you.

Sorry about that. Uh, but I'm Hope Medina. Um, excuse me. Uh, Shutt Associates and I've had the privilege of serving with you as we had fun with this on the last go around. Prior to that, um I'm the man director for um I am a course always like nearing my I'm sorry you guys got to share come back. I'm sorry about that. I'm just trying to increase our volume here. That's why I was doing that. Just Oh, we're turned up as far as we can. Hope just so you know, we're having a little bit of a hard time hearing you very well. So, I don't know if there's um anything on your side that we could want to do one just quick test with us again because I we do have our volume turned all the way up. I can't hear you at all now.

We lost her completely. So maybe we'll go on to Barbara and I'm sure we'll see her join us again here in just a minute. So, Barbara, if you'd like to go ahead and introduce yourself. Absolutely. Uh, can you hear me? Okay. Great. Yeah.

Perfect. Perfect. Um, so I'm Barbara Rice. I'm the Arizona regional manager, but I handle uh I'm also the fire service line manager for Shamsota Associates, and I will be working on consulting with the uh Colorado Wild Fire Resiliency Code. Thank you, Barbara. Okay, Hope. Let's give it another chance here. Maybe. Are you ready? Oh, let me see if I can unmute you. Okay, there we go. All right. Is this any better? So much better. So,

okay. Well, uh I'm Hope Medina. I am the uh energy and sustainability uh manager for Shamskota Associates and I've had the privilege of working with many of you for the last um uh trip on uh adopting the codes and even the previous one before that. So I've been around for quite some time. I'm here as a resource for you as far as the code adoption and as many of you know for ever and a day I'm always a resource for you. Um and you guys are near and dear to my heart because my grandfather was actually born in Leadville.

It's a fun fact. Um and John, I know everyone most of you know John, but John will have you go next. Hey everybody, I'm John Schwitzer, building plumbing mechanical inspector Lake County Leadville and I also reach out to Redcliffe and Mturn. So we have just had an energy code, I'm sorry, a wildfire code meeting in Eagle County today. So there's little action going on over there and thank you for inviting me today. Great. And then um uh in the room we have Leville Lake County Fire Rescue. Hi everybody. I'm Dan Dailyaly. I'm the fire chief.

Awesome. And we have C4, our energy consultant that's helping with our climate action plan. Uh where you move to from C4 and the county sustainability contract. So awesome. And from the city of Leville,

I am Jason Lance. I'm the director of community development for the city of Leadville. So I'd be Ann's counterpart at the county. Uh my role in this will really be um the city has a IGA intergovernmental agreement with the county to administer building department services. So I'll work with an to make sure that everything gets adopted on the city side and um and then going forward uh plan our department does the building code signoffs for like zoning review. So that's kind of short-term longterm how we'll be involved in this. Awesome. Thank you chief. And from my team, I have code enforcement. Don Helmick, do land use code enforcement.

Um, Shelby or GIS, I'm sorry. Shelby, I do GIS mapping for and from the building department, Michaela Frostto Tech. And she'll also recording secretary for the board of review, our new recording secretary. So, welcome Michaela. And we also are joined by the county attorney by not loves county attorney.

Awesome. All right. Great. So, um, moving on. I'm going to go ahead and minimize this as well. Um, I'll actually go back to share and we'll go back to the presentation. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So, I wanted to talk I'm going to kind of start us off and talk about the codes that you're going to be looking at um this year and the timelines that we are under. So, under Senate Bill 25142 um we are required to adopt a uh fire code and we are looking to adopt the Colorado wildfire resiliency code. Um we had talked, you know, many years ago about that or well actually I think at the time that we did our our previous adoption um doing the WOOI code. Um but we were right in the middle of the wildfire planning um uh uh study that we were doing in order to create our wildfire protection plan. And so we weren't quite ready. We hadn't really determined our boundaries. And so we were doing that work. And so we are now in a situation where under um state legislation we are required um to look at adopting a code. And so we have Barbara here this evening um to talk to us about that and Dan um Dan's pres pro provided you uh the state overview on the resiliency code and Barbara's going to walk us through that. But as far as deadlines, we have a deadline for adoption of um no later than April 1st and um then we have a couple of months until we need to or we were required to be enforcing that code. So we have until July 1. Um and Barbara will go into a little more greater detail when we get to that part. Um along with you know no we are required again um to look at

adoption of the international energy code uh conservation code the IECC and so we have from now until June 30th um and if or during this time if a jurisdiction adopts or updates its building code we are required we must adopt either the 2021 or an equivalent energy code um along with the Colorado model electric ready and solar ready code. Um if we have not adopted um under those parameters after July 1, we must adopt the model low energy and carbon code or a more restrict code. Um and hope is here to walk us through that. Um but our goal is really um being able to look at the 2021 um energy code and the 2024 code and kind of do we're going to be kind of talking about a comparison of those this evening along with the building the eye codes um and to to make an informed decision of of what pathway we want to move forward. But those are the timelines that we're moving um or or that we're keeping in mind as our deadlines. And then um we're going to be looking at the I codes at the exact same time. So our IRC, our IBC, our fuel, gas, our mechanical um fire and the existing building code. And then of course we always align with with whatever the state and electrical codes are. So our adoption just aligns with whatever uh iteration that the state is under. So our target for those are um and you'll see in the next slide u May 19th with the thought of being um adopted and ready before the June 30th deadline. So let's talk about a little bit about what does it take um since the as Shaven was talking about we have uh

the administrative uh responsibility for both the city and the county. So we wanted to start with the fire wildfire resiliency code and what does that timeline look like? So the city and the county adopt our codes with two under two different processes. The city of Leadville uses an ordinance process and the and the county uses a resolution process. So an ordinance process um means that there needs to requires two readings. So um the we have to introduce it and that's considered the first reading. Then we have a publishing requirement and then we go to public hearing and the second reading and typically there's adoption. It's not an 8-day waiting period is it at the second reading if it's adopted. Does it become effective then?

It's uh effective 30 days from uh publishing of the ring. So we would So it would be effective March 26 from the publication date. Yeah. there there are some things that we can do to get that adoption date um moved up moved up but it's it's 30 days from the date that it's published in

full okay okay so we're still um you know with that June 30th date in mind I built these deadlines and um from that forward so that we make sure we built in enough time through our process that we're not in jeopardy of going beyond those deadlines. So, this is our tenative deadline um and what we're looking at for the city adoption for the county. Um we have a 30-day publication notice and um for the public hearing and we adopt and approve it on the same day of the public hearing if that's possible in the county. So, we'd be looking at um adopting by resolution and with the same um timeline because the city city council meets at beginning at 6:00 on in the evening on March 17th and the board of county commissioners will meet at 11:00 on the 17th. So, we'll be looking at um our public hearings on the same day. We really wanted to align things for consistency this time. Last time we ended up about two months apart. um because of the different processes. So this time we're really trying to make sure that we end up adopted on the same or in the public hearing in the same day in the um for both the city and the county.

Okay. One question. So can this adoption be done completely independently of any other code adoption? So, if we're looking at adopting the rest of the eye codes, energy codes, whatnot, can that be a whole separate process or is it best to to align everything? Well, um what we're trying to Oh, can we Okay, it seems ambitious to try and all the codes, right? This has an April deadline. Yeah, this has an April 1 deadline. That's why we're this is this is moving fast to make sure that we're compliant with state requirements of adoption by April 1st.

So that's why the wildfire uh resiliency code is is you know we're off to the races already on it. And so um that's why that one's coming first. Um there is I believe an allowance that you know the requirement that I told you when we're adopting codes we have to look at the energy code. I think that we are allowed to do the wildfire before we do the energy coming. Yes, that one can be totally That doesn't So that can be totally separate. And so we're just moving this first because of the deadline. Right. Urgent. Now, one of the caveats with this one is so it you you have the two months. Yeah.

Or the three months from when you adopt to start enforcement. So if you adopt March 17th, then you have to start enforcement on June 17th. Yeah. And there's no reason we couldn't start adoption sooner than that. Exactly. Sure. Sure. But no later than kind of thing. And so I'm sorry that actually should be. Yeah. You just if you adopt on April 1st, that's your Yes. July 1st. We would have made it. Very good. So from the time of adoption, we had two months. Okay. They made three. We did three. you check differences between adoption and effective date.

Well, yeah, because we're effective immediately. So, March 17th will become effective if that was my question, but I thought if it was I thought there was some consideration if there is. So, we'll work together. Those are the nitty-gritty details. We'll just have to time. Yeah. On the effective. So, for the county, it will be effective upon adoption and I'll work with Chapen to to make sure that we know what the effective date will be in the city. Is there any likelihood that we're going to want to make amendments or is it possible to make amendments to this or Well, um yes, we can talk we'll talk about that a little later. Okay. Question.

Okay. So, here's our timeline for um the energy code and the icons. So again, you know, we've got to follow the same um process in both the city and the county. So what I've got down here is that we would have our um ordinance ready for introduction and first reading by April 21st. It would be published in its entirety in the newspaper um on April 30th. And then uh the public hearing in the in at city hall would be May 19th, same as it will be um heard in the county on the same day. Same kind of thing. Um and we can uh and we'll be publishing in the paper on April 16th. So the city will publish in the Herald on the 21st. We'll be doing it just a few days ahead of them on uh April 16th. some thought on that. And we could potentially publish on the same day. We just have a 15-day minimum.

Okay. But we could potentially just publish on this new public notice. Okay. Okay. To simplify the process. That sounds straight. That sounds

um and so then just wanted to talk a little bit about, you know, the pace at which we're going to be going to get this all done. And so how long will it take to go through the review process to create the ordinance and resolution drafts? Um and how do we engage with the public? So, um, tonight and I think we'll come back to this kind of at the end of everybody's presentation, but some goals that I'm hoping to set tonight are how how would you like to set your reoccurring meetings um so that we are um developing and creating um the ordinance and resolution. And um we're obviously we're going to prioritize the wildfire resiliency code first and um but by early March we need to have drafts of the resolution and ordinance and how so what my timeline if what I'm thinking is that by our target would be to have those draft documents and we really know what we're going to look at um and what we'll be proposing by early March and then be able to lead into a town hall meeting like we did last time. Um, and so we can take comment, answer questions from um, the building industry and the public that may have um, questions about it and then we'll be supporting with the website and so that we can have feedback forms on there and we can take in comment for your consideration as well. So that's just kind of and so we can circle back to that because I'd love to end this meeting with some goals about next meetings and um, make sure that you don't have any questions on that. So now I am happy to turn it over to Barbara and um let her present on the wildfire resiliency code.

Okay. Thank you. Um and of course if you have any questions as I go along uh please feel free to ask. So the Colorado Wildfire Resiliency Code, as you know, is is something that's gone in effect over the last year. Um and the whole purpose of it is to safeguard, you know, life and property in those wildland urban interface areas. Um and to mitigate hazards through construction, defensible space and hazard mapping. And this is very much like the I code, the international wildland urban interface code. Uh but the Colorado Resiliency Code has taken the 2024 International Wildland Code um and adapted it to what they feel best suits the state. Um and they have done the mapping for the jurisdictions as well. One of the differences in the Colorado code is it uh while it does apply to new construction alterations and retrofits, it focuses mostly on just the buildings that are occupiable or have habitable space. Um and the international code uh deals with unoccupied buildings as well. Um the uh code kicks in only if there's additions that are greater than 500 square ft. um and then um just some minor alterations. So, it's a little less restrictive in that regard than the international uh wildland code. Um and then if you do certain repairs, you don't have to bring the whole structure up. So, I'm ready for the next slide. Great. So, like as I mentioned, uh the state has already mapped Colorado into the three zones, low, moderate, and high. And this saves the jurisdictions having to do that by looking at their

topography and their weather uh and and basically their fire um activity in that area. One of the other things that the Colorado resiliency just John, do you have a question? Yeah, I just didn't see the white um built environment as built environment from the Colorado map like the city of Leadville would have.

Right. I'm I'm I've got a map and the map is on the next question is on the next slide. So, can can I go to that one to talk about the map? Would that be okay? Otherwise, I'm going to squirrel on this. Um so, this does eliminate, you know, on the mapping. So there is something on leadville and we'll talk about that um in the next one I believe. One of the things the Colorado code does is it removes water and access requirements from the code. Now like the international code, it is meant to supplement the IBC and the IFC that's adopted by the jurisdiction. So by removing water and access code uh requirements, it can leave it up to whether or not the jurisdiction applies the IFC. But the way that the Colorado code has broken out the two just two different ignition types um and if you were familiar with the international code, non-conforming water can be non-existing water. So, the um Colorado Wildfire Resiliency Code can really benefit uh construction that's in areas where it's too difficult to get water or water is not available. Um and they do this by the mapping and then basically focusing on the structure hardening requirements. They also have the opportunity for uh property owners to do something called ground truththing where they can request sight specific review to take them out of uh the hazard severity zone that they are mapped in. Oh, okay. Almost to the map. Okay. Also, one of the things about the state code is they have addressed historic structures, right, which is really great. and they have exemptions for

historic structures in the wildfire hazard areas. Um, as long as they are uh eligible for listing of the register of historic places or determined to be a contributing to the historical significance of a reg registered historic district, right? Or a district determined to qualify as historic. Okay? or that's designated under a state or local historic preservation program. So, this is something that the Colorado code uh addresses that the international code does not. And then the authority having jurisdiction. So, uh the city of Leadville and Lake County um can establish your own historic preservation exemptions as needed in these areas. Here's the map. Uh, and here's just a kind of a an overview. It doesn't encompass all of it. Um, Leadville, as you mentioned, uh, mentioned, John, is not mapped. And what that means is, uh, it doesn't have to meet, uh, the requirements that are in the in the WOI code, right? If it's not mapped, it's not even mapped as a low uh, hazard or low intensity. So given that the actual city itself um doesn't have a lot of concern with um having to follow the resiliency code. Does that make sense?

It wasn't exactly my understanding from Chief Bernett from the state. It was that the jurisdiction was up to decide what those designations should be. Please.

Yes. Yeah, they can do that. And if they designate uh nothing then then that is our that is fine. And I know that we talked uh that was I believe a question that I was in a meeting with Cole and another member of our company on another matter with um Chief Bernett and uh he said it was up to the jurisdiction to decide what designation it was in there. So, if the jurisdiction decides it's a low intensity um or even uh again, it doesn't have the fuel types or the the fire weather within there, it doesn't have to fall within any of the hazard classifications.

Hey, Barbara, does that also uh take into account if the property is split between a high intensity and moderate intensity, do we as the jurisdiction get to choose

decide? Yeah, but you would have to what you would have to do is you would have to take a look at the fuels and see which the majority is and then you would have to uh submit that to the state, right? Or do the ground truththing process that they allow for that. Uh most of this county currently is mapped in the high intensity and moderate intensity. Uh so what that means is the majority of the county would have to fall under the uh ignition resistant class 2 or ignition resistant to construction types which um is on uh some of the slides we're going to move to here.

Um and Barbara Chapen from the city has a question as well. Hi Barbara, city of Leadville. I have a question about uh the uh the areas that are within city limits that are designated right now as moderate intensity. So there's probably approximately 8 to 10 places on the uh within city limits um that are on the periphery of city limits that are designated right now as moderate intensity. So when you mentioned that the city can choose are we choosing everything within city limits or just choosing from the uh in the areas that are currently

in the areas I believe it is in the areas that are mapped and you could look at that and then assess it you know based on the fuel types and and the I think I've outlined some of that in here uh your fuels uh your fire weather um and then uh concerns about um why can't I uh defensible space right so you can put in and request that those areas be removed from that from the state through that process okay I'm just going to repeat that back to make sure I understood so the area approximately eight areas that are within city limits that are currently mapped and designated we could request those be removed

yes you can you absolutely can yeah you just have to show why you know and And if it fuels Yep. Absolutely. Thank you. Hey, any other questions in the room for Barbara? Who would be qualified to make the determination whether geometry? Yeah. Well, you would do

it could be up to the jurisdiction. Uh um and you would do a site assessment to look at fuels. I know a lot of this uh some of the properties we work with in Utah as they're developed in the area or as development occurs that reduces those hazards um then they're removed from the map or they're at least classified to a lower one. So it might be the jurisdiction the jurisdiction may ask a third party it's it's up to up to the jurisdiction to do those site assessments. And I think just to expand on that, um that would locally we would put that um under the jurisdiction of Lelay County Fire Rescue to help make uh the recommendation for that to also correct me if I'm wrong, but the state had a grant, didn't have a grant, something like that to be able to hire three people or four people it was for the state of Colorado to come out and do those assessments as well and helped with the enforcement of this.

I do know the last time we met with Chief Bermit Bernett, he did mention that they were uh starting to get more people to help with that. Yep. That was brought up in a in a meeting we had uh with him over another project. So, yes, they are trying to expand their staffing uh for these assessments.

Great. And so knowing how quick our timeline is. Um so are we saying those grants would help to make this determination for um either mapping um including the unmapped areas under a certain design a certain classification or asking for removal of those and helping with the actual administration of it. Um, so I'm just wondering like and we can we can talk about that at the end too. Kind of our plan for um making that that plan.

I'm not sure the state will address it or what their timelines are going to be um how much their staffing um is going to be available. So you may not be able to change the mapping before adopting the code, but then you can address the mapping uh portion afterwards as projects develop within that. Yeah, I do think it'd be important to to define who that person's going to be though, budgeting purpose and everything else in in the resolution that's passed. So

yeah. And do you mean the the person within your agency? because I think the grant was for hiring of new personnel within the state fire prevention office. That's correct. Yeah, the grant was for DFPC, right? And so so what I'm hearing is that we could we can move forward with adoption and and making a work in progress um with at making um amendments to the mapping.

Absolutely. Yeah. And you can aid map you can amend mapping uh just throughout until you go to a new code because again as development occurs a lot of areas like in different states I see this a lot again like in Utah um as development occurs um that makes that changes that area or even that property um they can get uh readjusted on their mapping. um even long after adoption of your code. Great.

One more question. Who would be responsible for enforcing this code? Would it be the building department or would it be Lake County Fire? So I think we've been talking about kind of um looking at that like the administration part of this um from kind of a shared point of um doing the hardening inspections as part of the building inspection and then the zone inspections as there's a couple different ideas. One is a self-reporting affidavit. Um, Don's here too. You know, we wanted to offer that, you know, maybe we can help with maybe some follow-up zone inspections of the site. We've talked about in doing planning review that, you know, we're doing um the planning departments at the city and the county are looking at the site plans for the zone compliance. So, I think it's um, you know, we we're in a kind of a peer review uh with other jurisdictions as we're kind of working out the administration part. Um, but those are some, I think, initial ideas that we've had collectively.

Makes sense. And I mean, the fire department already has to do their their plan review as well, so it wouldn't be too terrible, I imagine, to to be reviewing for this stuff. I think just just to

to share a little bit with the review. Um, when you get into, and we'll look at these on the on the next couple slides, when you get into the different types of construction, right, your plane reviewer has to have a knowledge of construction of how to review for 1 hour fire rate construction, what's non-combustible, what is not. Um, so it could be could very well be fire, it could be building, it could be uh fire and building split it. Uh some jurisdictions building reviews the structures and fire does the site review. Okay.

Are you ready for the next slide, Barbara? I am. Okay.

All right. So, just to touch on because you are in uh there's two structure hardening classes in the Colorado Resiliency Code. Um, and because most of the county is in the moderate and high hazard, you would have to go to the class two, uh, so highest level of kind of fire protection, fire resistant, ignition resistant construction. Um, and that means, you know, non-combustible or uh 1 hour rated exterior walls. There's protection for eaves and sophets and this is specific uh for embers right to to ember and flame and penjamin is a big problem. So this is to reduce that temperate glass windows or double pained windows uh can also apply. they have to have or I should say multiple pained windows uh in the code which is to just help preserve openings and uh for an amount of time due to heat, radiant heat. Um and then non-combustible or class A or B decking, class A roofing. Um but again while the construction uh is it hardens the structure makes it more fireresistant it does also allow for uh reduction of the need of water uh site protection in the Colorado code uh they have defensible space zones this basically looks at non-combustible surfaces within 0 to 5 ft uh they have another zone fuel reduction. The Colorado Forester has a document with that that follows Firewise. So again, these these uh the site uh protection with regard to defensible space zones definitely has to be something that the planning personnel are aware of, especially with regard to landscape

requirements you may have. uh so you may have to amend uh certain codes with regard to that or at least allow for uh changes within these areas. Um basically your next steps would be to uh adopt the appendices. Uh there are not very many appendices in this and most of them have to do with administrative processes. So you may not uh want to adopt them because most of them have to deal with permitting and inspection requirements. Um and then any policies of course that you need to develop for any historic variances or processes and also you know should you wish to have the city of Leadville designated a light hazard which takes you away from any type of construction hardening issues um you'd want to work on that staff training again uh for the policies or what you're going to do and then however you're going to um do the public education for your builders and homeowners and stakeholders. Very good. Any take a pause real quick. Any other questions for Barbara?

And Barbara, I I have a couple questions. So, yeah. Uh the hardening requirements that you provided, those are is is that an exhaustive list of what would be required for um construction? And

it is. It is pretty much a summary of the of the different types of things. And then when you get into the code, you have a lot of options on how you make that, right? Your class A roofs um you know, they could be non-combustible. There's certain flashing requirements for them. Um but those elements also fences and over 8 ft and then retaining walls uh have to be ignition resistant too, which just makes complete sense. Um, but that's pretty much those areas that have to have an ignition resistant type of construction um in them. And then there's just many ways to accomplish that. And what I heard was that there's a list of materials being created. Is that as as kind of a resource? um

um well currently now if again this code supplements the IBC and the IFC. So when we look at the international wildland and urban interface code, that code allows for ignition resistant um materials that are either listed per standards. Uh I believe there's a UL and ASM if I'm correct. Same standards are outlined in this code or you can follow the prescriptive codes in uh chapter 7 of the IBC for fireresistant construction for the various elements like exterior walls, decking, those types of things. Um there's a lot of materials out there that are rated um for one hour and there's so many different ways to make assemblies. Um so you can either use the prescriptive code in chapter 7 of the IBC um or a lot of times there are materials and assemblies that are listed per the two standards in the code um that are prescriptive. So if you're reviewing those and they follow those listings then they're acceptable. Does that make sense?

Yes. And the body of the state code gives some recommendations on what types of material would be acceptable under each of the classes. Yes. Yeah. It's just it's just types of but beyond that there's uh so much more that could be allowed. Could I add a little bit please? One of the things that came up in the code specific sections was 404.8 exterior doors and it has solid core wood not less than inch and 3/4 thick or have a fire protection of not less than 20 minutes.

And the the glazings can all just be regular thermopane double pane glass which is not a problem. But the sliding glass doors came up as kind of a weird issue and we're not sure yet on a material supplier that might supply sliding doors nonsolid wood that are 20 minutes. So just some weird stuff like that shows up in Yeah. But it also if and John correct me if I'm wrong. It also does say multi-pane GA glass. Um, so, um, maybe they would look at that as well cuz most sliding doors are are multi-paneed with an air gap, right?

Multi-layered glazing panels. Yes. But it does it just talks about the solid core wood door. And then it says that the windows within those doors have to be per the 404.7. So it doesn't really take out the frame of the door or this, you know, the rails and styles of the doors specifically. Right. Correct. But your sliding glass doors are also tempered anyway. They are. So, and that's allowed in the code. Tempered glass is specifically allowed. Yeah, that's speaking to the glass though. And I understand if if the door frame around the glasses doesn't meet that specific vinyl

listing the 20 minute or solid wood which usually isn't the case. I mean those are almost always fiberglass or I mean and I wonder if maybe those would be considered a window like a a full light door if that goes under the category of a window. I don't know. So certainly something to look into. Those are the nuances that we get to massage. Yes. Exactly. Um I Oh yes, Barbara. This is Shaping. Can I ask a question about the historic uh variance? Yes. Uh this may not be necessary if the city of Leadville as a whole is designated as as uh low low hazard. Yes.

Uh just you me in the situation that it was medium hazard um the we have about 80 blocks of uh National Historic District about 1500. But we don't Yes, I know. I love that place. Um, we don't have the some of the um the documents that or would be listed to to meet the exemptions that were already in that bullet point. So, we' probably be seeking like the variance.

Um, and that would basically just be probably for the district as a um as a whole because we don't have all the surveys that would be needed to to meet those bullet points for the exemptions. Um, so is it poss is it possible to uh if we were in a medium class hazard uh designation for some reason, it would be possible to request a variance for the entire uh historic district as a whole.

Uh it is it is possible. Um, again, it's going to be a lot tougher to do it if you're in the moderate uh or the high hazards. Uh, but again, if if you know you don't have those fuels or those other issues with it, um, it should be you should have no problem doing that. And you can do, if I remember right, the uh state law allows the jurisdiction to set up um your own various and to determine your own historic preservation area kind of right outside of those bullets. So I think uh you know the jurisdiction has a lot of leeway there in that in that with that regard. And this this code definitely took uh historic structures, historic architecture, historic um areas into um you know into consideration when they built this. This is not something that's outlined in the WOOI code in the international.

Thank you. Barbara, can you just speak a little bit more to when this code would be triggered? So, I heard the 500 square foot additions, but like for instance, in that would it be if you're building a 500 foot edition, then the entire rest of the house has to be updated to it. Does it ever come into play with remodels?

So, again, if you're So, here's a couple things. First of all, if if the structure any structure is legal and conforming at the time the code is adopted, it's good to go. But if you make an addition to that structure that expands it more than 500 square feet, right? Um you do have to um bring that addition under the current code and whether or not you have to bring the host structure in there depends on the scope of work. So, you do not necessarily, which is very much the same as with the international, you don't necessarily have to bring the whole code up if you are re-roofing, and this totally makes sense in the wild and urban interface areas. If you're re-roofing uh more than 25% or 25% or more, I think, or whatever, 25%'s the sweet spot. Um, thank you, John. 25% is the sweet spot. The entire roof has to be brought up to class A, class B standards.

Okay. Um, so again, there's a, you know, if you add a deck to it, uh, your deck would have to meet the fire code compliance, but you don't have to go back and redo the whole house. Okay.

Any other questions in the room for Barbara? I was just going to mention on um Dan's handout, the QR code for the state code is included in the handout. And I did want to give the floor to Dan if you have anything else that you wanted to add on or um thank you for these handouts. This is a great amount of There's also that review that I've been talking about that I've been attending with um Cole. There's a QR code for that in here as well. So, if you want to have something better to do um on a Wednesday um and you'd like to hang out and hear how the how um the whole all the jurisdictions in the state were kind of working through this. Um it's a great time though. There's a lot of good questions that are being asked and I did see the QR code that's in here too. What they do, those peer meetings have different jurisdictions on kind of what the Colorado code was based on and where they brought in structure hardening, things like that. The last

the last peer review, peer meeting, I guess, the last peer meeting was on uh structure hardening and they brought in uh what was it? Gettison County and then also county to talk about what they've done and how they're So both of those are Thank you Dan for these handouts because I saw that the there's QR codes to get to those um websites.

Yeah. And on those websites the processes for um requesting different mapping and then also the state statute um that's kind of a companion to the code um are on those websites. They've provided a lot of information. Well, Barbara, it's really nice to meet you. Um, looking forward to working together. Yes, I do, too. There's um, you know, we were talking about at the time it was wooi nasty Iowa.

Um, it was coming to Lake County at some point and I'm really I'm actually kind of pleased to see that the state kind of stepped in to be able to have a lower code that's a little bit more palatable for jurisdictions. Now, I I I understand that this is going to be um tough for, you know, as we go through this change for the hardening of these structures. Yes. I'm I'm just going to tell you a little bit about, you know, the fire side of things because

in in all of Lake County, I just consider it all the everything to include the city, our predominant winds, our fires, our our our bad forests. here we have something um that happens that we can't get ahead of is going to be absolutely just devastating to our community. Um you know we we've talked about sprinkler systems in the past and we're like nah no we're not going to go there quite yet. uh you know and you know what can we do to protect our community members um during wildland fires and um I am pleased to see that that we are finally going to adopt something that um has some kind of hardening in in our in our true wildland areas because it's it's just a matter of when. It's not if. So, um, anything that we can have that's out there collectively working on this together, uh, to make our forests and our homes better out there and for our life safeties as we're as we're going in, then I appreciate. Um, so I'm looking forward to the process to get through this. Uh, the the bad part about that, of course, I don't like the state coming down like we will, right? But um but again from what I understand the state put a lot of time and energy into this and they they really thought of a lot of good things I think for jurisdictions to include ours. Um so that's all I have. I mean that was a great presentation on on everything that you know that we need to know additionally before we dive in. Right. And and again tif I mean uh it is it is um it is a cleaner code than an international code and it does um it takes water and access out of it. Um and and I think again when you look at if you're familiar with the WOOI code you

know you have conforming defensible space and conforming water and then it kicks into what kind of ignition resistant and non-conforming water can also mean no water. So the the this code is so clean um with regard to you know trying to do its best to protect and they really focused on on the on the ignition resistant construction and defensible space. Um which does make it a lot easier for those areas where water is a problem because that is a high cost that infrastructure is a high cost to developers. I mean again you know uh a little more fire resistant ignition resistant construction cost a little more um but all development costs are passed along and infrastructure like water and roads um can be very expensive. Um I I don't know if anyone else has this question, but could you just give us the different when you say um water and access is something that would be required under the WOOI and is and there's more understand or or

well you already have it under your IFC under your fire code and so the WOOI code or and again also the Colorado wildfire resiliency code as written in the code um they are meant to to supplement right So, if you go to the regular WOOI code, the wildfire code, the international wildland code, um they have some less restrictions for residential access. Uh they open water up to allowing for NFPA 1142 um calculations. But again, if there's no water, non-conforming water per the footnote in the table in I don't remember if it's chapter 5 or four, I'm sorry. um then you have to have ignition resistant construction, right? So, this has just taken all of that out of the code and said you're going to you're going to provide some level of ignition resistant construction and defensible space because that is um protection. And I'm pretty sure the fire chief um can also address when we look at the WOOI and and I'm won't spend a lot of time on this. I'll leave that up. The Wild and Urban Interface Code is to protect structures um and and and PE residents, but just like any code, it also is to protect the firefighters and the first responders. And if there's a home that has hardening, if it has defensible space, the firefighters have a better chance of protecting that house with little risk. I mean, I I've been in in wildland firefighting a little bit and um if it's a mess, if it's got wood shakes, if it's not defensible space, it's going to get a little ribbon tied around and it they're not going to risk it. They're not going to be able to protect it. So all of these elements in this code I think um and I'm working currently with my state the state forester has asked me to work with them um on something similar and I am really going to push

the elements of this code to see if we can't do something very similar in Arizona because I think it's a nice clean code. Thank you Barbara. Um any other questions in the room? Okay, moving on. Um, Cole, I'm going to turn it over to you.

All right, so I know we're on the 2018 codes here right now. Um, and some things that come into play between the 24 and the 21. So, if we're jumping the 21 and going to the 24, we know that that's a big jump, six years. Um, there are some things that are clarified and better in the IBC and the other I codes in the 24s. Um 21 sometimes when looked at it from my view has a little bit more loosely defined terms that don't really give you that much direction. Couple of these um thing I've listed here on the slide. Uh section 104 you had some alternate means and methods that were added kind of broadening the scope from the 2018 into the 21. But the 24 further broadens that scope of where we're now accepting or looking have the ability gives the building official and those working for him more ability to accept alternate means and methods of construction whether it's new technology whether it is a different type of construction or engineered or listed or labeled. A lot of the differences in the 21 and 24 are listing and labelings per third party inspections, third party reports. Uh the 24 gives the gives a little more clarity for the building official to be able to ask for updated reports, those kind of things from third parties. Say you want to use we we're talking about structure hardening. What if there's a new system that comes out? Um 24 gives the a little more direction on what the building official needs require to say yes to that. 21 is just kind of left open-ended and implied that you can do this, but a lot of building officials were left, well, what do I do and what do I need from it? Um so it kind of gives that little little bit of more direction. Um the 21 IBC uh uses

your occupancy based risk categories. That's what classifies, you know, hotels, hospitals, those kind of things. What the higher risk category where you are, what the importance of the building is. Um the 24 expanded that to include um PV. So you've got around the state, we have a lot of different PV farms that are going in. So those getting new classified into that. um and updated alignment and methodologies for the ASC7 and actually brought into the code um we I don't know if you've used it up here but brought in a mapping tool. So the ASCE the American Society of Civil Engineers has a mapping tool that you could get online and you can actually plug in an address and it'll give you all the snow loads, wind loads, earthquakes, all of that online. Mhm.

So the ICC updated and put that information in the code as part of this is an executive alternate method to what the design criteria of a jurisdiction is. Um 21 brought in more energy storage devices, right? ESS. We're all familiar with the uh or I think we are seen a few of them with our solar and you bring in your batteries that use you charge up and keep the batteries so when the power goes out you have use of your appliances and other things. 21 has brought more of that information into the code but didn't really fully define parameters and things like that. 24 updates it and gives you more direction and more handinand working with the IFC. So the IBC and the IFC now this is true for the IRC2 on the next slide that more more guidelines and parameters for ESS installations as firefighters are finding that when those go up they are very hard to fight. Um, and then 21. One of the big changes to the 21 from the 2018 is the jump from the 2009 accessibility standard to the 2017 accessibility standard. That standard. So whether you adopt the 21 or 24 code, you're going to adopt that standard anyway as referenced in the code. Now the 2017 accessibility updated a lot of reach range or not necessarily reach ranges but clearance requirements because of all these motorized chairs that we have now. So you have a upgraded turning radius. You have a bigger tea to access things more space and clearance required for this. One of those that came into it is adult changing stations. um those are a big addition in the code and the 2024 code actually added those in. 2021 does not

require those. So they are 2024 IBC requirement with the supplement to the AS17.1. Now, those are basically just a big changing station for adults, like a baby changing station, but it has to get fully mounted to the wall. And there's a bunch of parameters that are explained very clearly in the IBC 24 IBC and the 20 17 A17. Essentially, the two codes are largely the same. They didn't update too many things or cause too many significant changes between the 21 and 24. So you're essentially getting the same code when you adopt the 21 and the 24 with a few more clarifying matters of the 24. I understand that there is some hesitance to jump over the code, but a lot of the state is already looking at going to the 2024 codes.

There's no PV in 21 and large scale grid scale PV there. There is there just aren't as many provisions. Okay. So the 24 kind of just dove deeper into it and gave you a broader scope of okay this is how you enforce it. This is what you look at because during those formative years of the code in the 21 those ones weren't happening they were just starting when you got those big solar farms and the big scale and is there how does the 2018 deal with some of that is

it's just mentions that it has to pretty much be listed and classified for those large scale and so you're left largely to say okay well what does the engineer say or what does the architect say and what does the solar listing say about And so it just gives you a little bit more ability to actually regulate those kind of things. We'll go to the next slide. So that's just an overview of what the IBC is. Now I did not cover the IFC. I know that's a lot of words on my slides. Um the 21 carries over the same type of building official authority for the IRC as the 2018 has. And the 24 they totally rewrote this is applicable to all the codes. They rewrote 104. That's your administrative section of uh the I codes to give the building official a little more authority in his ability to um allow interpretations to allow alternate means of methods like we discussed on the other other slide. Um one of the big changes in the IRC from the 21 you had standard set fire separation distance as it had been in the 2018 for your 2021 codes for town homes. Right? If you have town homes on the same lot, how do you separate those? Do you have to put a lot line between them? That's what the building that's what the IRC went off previously. But in the 24 code, they bring in an assumed lot line where you can put an imaginary line. So, if you want to keep the same lot, but put a bunch of row homes on it, you can assume an imaginary property line between all the rows like the as building officials. We've always used that in the past just as an alternate method, but it's now in the IRC. And so you don't actually need to separate those into separate lots anymore. You can provide that fire separation right on the imaginary line. Um, and as I mentioned before, there's more information about ESS requirements.

We got a nice lovely table in the 2024 IRC that sends you to um section 127 of the IFC where you have further information about sizing of the SS um for your energy storage systems and what is allowed, how many you could have in a room, where they're required. And the 24 actually includes a nice um diagram of putting ESS in a garage of where you would need to put protection in place in a garage, whether it's on the front wall, that kind of thing. So, you get a little more clarity with that. Um the 2018 and 21 IRC had no provisions for lofts and things like that in IRC for tiny homes, things like that. The 2024 IRC incorporates many of those tiny homes requirements. So, if you're looking to expand affordable housing, putting smaller homes on lots and things like that, you can get a lot of exceptions and other kinds of things through the 2024 code where loft sizes can be lofts weren't really allowed in the code unless you had a proper stair down from them.

Mhm. the IRC, the 2024 IRC allows you to have stair or stairs, ladders, ships, ladders, those kind of things were all incorporated into that from kind of the tiny how different is that stuff from the the tiny home appendix in the 2018. Um,

a lot of the appendix has been incorporated in the code. So when we go through the code adoption process, appendices are kind of a code section that's being worked on, but it's not ready for prime time. And through the 21 code cycle and into the 24 code cycle, tiny homes got a little more ready for the prime time. So we incorporated some of those said, you know what, we've been doing this for enough years that we realized that some of the safety concerns that we had previously are not as blatant or glaring for tiny homes. Now we had been able to incorporate some of those. So I know that we have some those issues in a few affordable housing, but that's

in the context of tiny homes. Is that synonymous with like accessory dwellings? I guess ADUs in the same Yes. And that's one thing that I did not put on here. So the 2024 IRC actually gives you standard provides for allowing ADUs. So if you want to split a house in two, instead have one on the bottom and one on the top, as long as those smoke detectors are interlin and other things like that, you don't have to put that hour separation in for ADUs. So you have an expanded ability to use that. And there's a bunch of other things in the 21 just requires that hour separation no matter what. It's a two two family dwelling at that point. You have to have a separation. Does it change minimum square footage requirements?

Um yeah, that's usually driven by zoning ordinance because you could have a code compliant home that's 170 ft. Yeah. But in the county zoning um you know, we've got 600 as a minimum um in most zones and 500 in business in district. So that gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Cole, could you please speak to the ESS energy storage system a little bit so fire and all of us know about that a little bit more, please?

Yeah. So, um, it just basically gives what battery type you're using. We've got a nice table and information on, okay, you can put it in garages, you could put it in crawl spaces, you can put it in single family dwellings as long as it's listed to a certain um, UL listing, which is 9540. Um, your Tesla power walls are listed to that, but you still have to have certain protections in place. Once you get above 20 kilowatt hours of storage, then it gets kicked into the fire code where you may have to separate it from the structure. They have to install it on the outside of the building so that there's no risk of fire inside the building. Um, so in City of Cherry Hills Village, we have lots of people who like the Tesla Power Walls and there's one that wanted to put six of them in their garage. Can't put six in your garage because now you're over 80 kilowatt hours.

So you're limit limited on the size of what each individual battery can have. 20 kilowatt hours is the maximum. Tesla Power Wall comes in at 16. So it's under the limit for one. And then your maximum is 80 kilowatt hours in one space. So you could essentially have four Tesla batteries in a garage and be okay and still not have to go to the fire conditions. And that's because Tesla batteries are listed at 9540, which means they have fire suppression in them. They have all these other extra things that are put into them. And that's one of the things that when we're doing reviews for ESS systems coupled with solar um PV, we are looking at is it all listed? Do the batteries work? Do they have the fire suppression? Those kind of things. Um the expanded ESS information provides a lot more direction on when to bring it into the fire coupe and whether or not you need to hour rate it, protect the dwelling from it and those kind of things. Did that cover what you wanted, John?

Yes. Thank you very much. Any other questions before I move on? Moving on from the IRC.

Um the existing building code. So, um the 2020 one IRC. So, this will apply to your historic structures and everything up here. Um gives you a better definition. The 24 gives you a better definition of repair versus demolition. better triggers of when you actually get to classify it into okay now we have to comply with the new construction right you have the typical type of uh or classification of remodels whether you are going for a level one two or three um or a change of occupancy or prescriptive information um gives it 21 leaves it a little more flexible kind of adopted what was in the 2018 previously and kept that going. The 24 kind of gives you a broader vision and a little more ability to narrow it down and say, "Okay, this is only a repair or this is a full demolition. We have to comply with code." Um, so the IEB the 21 um looked for like for like installation for windows, things like that. Um, electrical, those kind of things. So 24 expands upon that and wants a little more compliance with NFPA70 which is the NEC. Um and in Colorado we have to adopt whatever the state adopts and so that makes it even more palatable because it's following the stricter guidelines of the higher A. Um gets you a better um 24 gives you a little more ability to reclassify a risk category. So in the I in the IEBC if you're moving from a B to an M or an M to an F1 or F2 occupancy there are different risk categories that you get placed into for egress for building fire separation safety all that kind of stuff. The 24 clarifies that and

gives you more ability to say okay this is where we're at. Whereas the 21 just has a couple of tables with five or six lines that just say okay here you go this is where you classify it. If you're moving from a higher risk to a lower risk, you don't have to do much with that's just okay. John,

one of the things that Leadville has in particular is a lot of mud sills and we've had a lot of repairs just even stemming out of a bathroom remodel, for instance. Is there any uh uh anything in the way of allowing us to keep those repairs going that you can see in the 24 IBC IBC? Yeah. So, you can still keep those um repairs versus demolition having to comply with the complete new code. Um it doesn't limit you in terms of what you've been doing previously. It just kind of expands on when those triggers get put in place. So yeah, you'd still be able to repair those mud seals and everything under the 80s. Um, and then one of the things that the 24 does that is kind of weird, I think, um, is it adds in the language that if you are affecting or remodeling a, uh, building, an existing building, now you have to put in the provisions for a building changing station. Damn.

So that's one of the drawbacks. There are a few drawbacks, but can we still use technical infeasibility in some situations still?

Yes. So that's always allowed uh per uh section three uh or whatever 301 of the IEC is technical infeasibility. So obviously with historic structures, you can't always get it without ruining the historical provisions of the structure. So that's still in the code. That wasn't changed too much. Like I said, the 21 and 24 are extremely similar in those regards other than all the updates they did to 104 to give a little more ability to the building official to make um determine whether an alternate means of ethics is okay. Um same thing with the IMC. So we got all of that same stuff in there um for section 104 of administration. Um the language in the 21 IMC allowed the building official to decide if you could use new refrigerants. Um which a lot of building officials are not necessarily mechanical guys and know a lot about refrigerants. Um whereas the 24 brought in the new ATL and B2 B2L refrigerants and a lot of the requirements were like this. Now that's all technical speak to everyone in here. So, um, A2L and B2L refrigerants are a little more flammable than what we're used to using. Um, and so there are more protections that are required for that. Um, and also limited 21 gave you some requirements for identification of refrigerants. The 24 gave you even more for labeling and marking of refrigerants. Um, because some of those are more fun. Um, one of the things that the 24 did you did give you that's not in the 21 or 18, you are allowed to use ductless kitchen hoods in I1 or I2 occupancies. So those are your hospitals, long-term living, senior care, assisted living type occupancies. Now you can use those in the 24 as

um and then in the 21 you had prescribed ventilation controls for a building. The 24 expands that into performance based, so you're allowed to do a little bit of give and take. All right. The IFGC um fuel gas code, which is also covered under plumbing code, which is adopted through the state anyway as well. Um the IFGC didn't require qualifications for a technical report prepare whereas the 24 does. um also rewrite of 104 and technical opinions were implied in 21 whereas they are authority they the building officials given authority to require this these are just some of the bigger things that come into play again not much changed in the IFC gas piping remains the same as it always has been does gas flow through steel pipe yes does it flow through uh CSST your funny bendable pipe yep still goes through and it still has the same weights and volumes that that this code is very science-based and so you don't see much of it changing because it has been tested down to the team. All right, next slide. All right. Like I said, the IPC is adopted through the state um if we want to make additional amendments through that and the state is moving towards they're on the 21 right now, but they are adopting the 24. So, we're just in charge of enforcement with their provisions. Any questions? I know that was a lot of words of me speaking. So

I I can teach a whole class on all of those an eight hour class on each if you want all the changes between them. Not sure that would meet our deadline. All right. Okay. Well, looks like we're ready for you, Hope. All right. Um, can you hear me now? still. Okay, good.

Um, okay. So, the energy code, I know this is the one you guys have all been waiting for because you love it so much. Um, so real quick background so everybody is on the uh an understanding of the difference in how these two additions of the energy code was developed. The 2021 IECC was developed under the process that um has been the process since the inception of the IECC. So everything that Cole um talked about, all the codes that he talked about is the same process that was utilized to develop the 2021. Now the development of the 2024 was the first edition that followed the new process to develop the energy code um which entailed uh basically where a consensus committee a group of people voted on it but it wasn't just a one-time um meeting that it everything was voted on. It was voted on uh throughout a two over a two-year process. So we met every other week to develop it and subgroups met every week or every other week on it. So the idea was that the 2024 had a lot more eyes on it to have it developed and ensure that to ensure and try to make sure that it the idea was was that um there was a good basis as to why this new thing was going to get put into the code. So that's kind of just a real brief background of the energy code. And

so I know we're trying to determine what we would like to do as far as adopt the 21 or adopt the 2024. So um as you can see the values I have a table set up here. This is just the thermal envelope values for the residential because I know we are more of a residential community and that is a big concern for us. So there were quite a few differences from what you would see in the 18 to what we have for the 21 and the 24. And what I did do is highlight those values in the column for the 21. Um, so probably the the big one is, as you can see, the ceiling R value goes from an R49 up to an R60.

Um, I think it's opposite. So, the 18.

No, from Yeah, from the 18 to the 21, it went from 49 to an R60. Um, and then the other big one that happened is your walls as far as the insulation value or amount that you have to have in there. So your R value in the past, you know, we had three options and how we could get there. Uh, but now you get the opportunity you can do cavity cavity plus continuous and for you Ethan, I know you're already doing this, but um it now allows for you to install insulation entirely on the exterior of the building and that would be where your thermal envelope is. So in the 21 it brought that in. Now the values did increase. So instead of only having to have um an option of maybe an R20 in the cavity, now the baseline is an R30 into the cavity. So that is a significant increase along with the the ceiling. Um the other thing that did pop in um is the fact that uh crawl spaces now allows for both um the cavity only option, a continuous insulation only option and a cavity plus continues on there. So, those were the major changes that happened in the 21 from what we're currently doing up in uh for the 18. Now for the 24, uh, again, a big change that happened was at the ceiling. And our ceiling insulation then goes from an R60 back down to an R49, which is what we've been

doing um, already. Um, the next thing that really is a bonus for everyone is the fact that you now have an R value for if you are placing insulation entirely above a or R49. Now, you only have to get an R30 continuous insulation. So, the 21 didn't recognize um the idea of insul that most homes probably are not insulating above roof deck. They're insulating at the ceiling level. But you have to remember the energy code considers multifamily projects that are three stories or less as residential. even though you're building them out of the IBC. So having the insulation entirely above roof deck value actually is a bonus because in like I said those multif family projects um currently under the 18 have to do it 49 continuous which is more than anywhere else that they would have to do. So that's that's a real positive in all of this. the wall values stayed the same. But another bonus in the 24 is instead of for your floor R values, instead of only having the capability of putting in an R38 cavity and making sure that it's in constant contact with the underside of the floor, there's options now. So you can do the R38 or you can do a cavity plus continuous option option or you get

to do uh just continuous. So those are a few of the uh major changes as far as the residential goes for the thermal envelope. I didn't do a table for the um commercial side. On the commercial side, there were a few changes as far as the thermal envelope. The biggest one was your uh metal framed and your woodframed. And part of that was is the the metal became uh continuous insulation and the wood framed for climate zone 7 now added the ability that you could have a cavity insulation only. Whereas in the past you had to have cavity n continuous. Any questions about the table on the screen on the windows for the U factor. Are those readily attainable or are they extremely much more expensive than what we have for today's purchasing?

That's an excellent question. Um, as far as what's attainable, I can tell you that um during the process, they did do research. They did pull things out as an overall concept about whether these um uh were available. Whether how readily available they are specifically for Leadville, I would not have that information right with us. So,

okay, there's no other questions. Ann, if you wouldn't mind moving us to the next slide. Thank you very much. All right. So, um I I just want to make sure everybody understands there's going to be a lot of changes whether we, you know, look at 21 or we look at 24. when it comes to the energy code. Um, so I these are not all the changes by any way, shape or form, but I felt that they were the most relevant to bring to everybody's attention. Um, so on the 21, a concept that is new in the 21 for residential is now there is a requirement for an additional efficiency option. In the 21, there are only five options. Um, and so basically what you would do is pick one and then you would be considered to have complied with it. There's one that's a really easy one and I think a lot of it is already happening in um, Leadville, so it's not um, as ownorous as it might seem. There is a requirement now for your whole house mechanical ventilation systems. Now, that's a requirement out of the IRC, but the energy code is saying your choice as far as what you're going to install for your whole house mechanical ventilation for climate zone 7 is now an ERV or an HRV. Um there is new criteria that's been established as far as how you can start considering your duct work to be con inside conditioned space which plays into your additional efficiency options. There's a requirement for mechanical

ventilation testing. Um so all of your ventilation will now have to be tested. In my opinion, and I spoke against this actually when it was heard, was that this requirement, it's a requirement out of the uh residential code. All of your ventilation is out of the residential code, but they put the ventilation testing in the energy code. And they did that because the people who are going to do the testing are the same people who would do, you know, your blower door test or your duck leakage test. So, they said it makes sense to put it here. But I want to to make sure that there's an understanding that yes, this is here, but it's the ventilation out of the IRC that's going to get tested. And then it also brought in lighting controls. And the lighting controls um are interior and the lighting controls are also exterior. Now for the 2024 um the uh changes big changes is the additional efficiency section whereas in the 21 it's just pick one and done. This one requires um a number of credits to be obtained to reach the the uh requirement. It also has a lot of focus on the size of the home. So, the size of the home is going to trigger um either additional efficiency credits or if you're going different uh pathways, additional um items for it. Um there was a big mantra all throughout the 2024 about fuel debiasing. um trying to incentivize

um uh electric appliances. Um the there was a um revision to your duct leakage section. Um right now as it stands under the 18, if your duct works inside the thermal envelope, you don't have to test. In the 21, it does require everybody test your duct work, whether you're inside or outside of the thermal envelope. And in the 2024, um, they have a table now that you would work off of. And it kind of looks like it's really cumbersome, but it actually in all reality, it looks a lot like the uh commercial side, but it also gives a little bit of a breathing room, too, in my opinion. But that's just the world according to hope. Um the lighting controls that were required in the 21 still exist, but they have been revised and revamped um to try to make them more um usable or what they thought were better placements of it. The good news is with the idea of wanting to have more affordable housing um and having multifamily projects uh come in, the 2024 is so multifamily uh friendly as far as the you know like some of the requirements and so forth. It has um where multifamily instead of having to test all of your units for blower door testing and all of your units for duct leakage testing and all of your units for mechanical ventilation in the 24. It allows for you to do sampling. So you don't have to do all of them. You could do seven or 20%, you

know, type of deal. And so there is that ability to kind of reduce some of those costs for it. It does bring in the concept of uh requirements for heating outside. Um and the nice thing too is in the past for multifamily projects a lot of times they had to go to the commercial side of the code and pull some of the things there. So you were playing in both sides of the book and the 24 basically created a lot of scenarios that instead of having to go commercial and residential, you're just going with the residential side of things. So that was um uh kind of the major differences I would say for the 21 to 24. Um I'm sure there's some questions. I don't know if anybody has anything right now.

Yeah, just on this page um on the 2021 it shows the mechanical ventilation testing. Can I assume that's still required in the 2024 as well? It is. Yes. Yes. Um the reduction in air leakage rates, what's the value there for 24? So, and I probably should have put it into the 21 also. Um, in the 21 they changed the testing metric or it allowed for smaller structures to utilize a different testing metric of the CFM per square foot instead of the air changes per hour because of the volume situation

in the I'm sorry, area versus volume. Exactly. Exactly. And so um in the 24 the reduction went for the changes per hour where it was three it's now 2.5.

And when you talk about the additional energy efficiency options um are you just talk are those synonymous with compliance pathways? I'm so sorry. Could you you broke up there? Oh, sorry. Uh, when you talk about additional energy efficiency options, um, are those the same as like the compliance pathways or or what are you referring to there?

So, the additional efficiency um, options in the 21, how it works is um, no matter which compliance path you utilize, you have a criteria you have to do. If you go prescriptive, it's pick one of the options and you're done. If you go performance, you can either pick one of the options not included in your modeling calculations, call it done, or you have to be 5% better in if you go ERRI, then your score has to be 5% better than what's listed in the the table. In the 2024, um it it is different. it the focus is really with those uh residential projects but there is a tiein to the additional efficiency depending on the size of the the home and so forth. So,

oh, could you please talk to the information that's going to be required on the construction documents in respect to water resistant barrier, sealed air barrier, vapor retarder, thermal envelope, things like that, please? So that we know what our design professionals and and uh permit applicants are needing to put on the construction documents.

Absolutely. So uh section 103.2 2 still exists um in the 2021 and that entails things like uh the uh insulation R value and materials, the air barrier information, um air leakage or not air leakage, um your uh mechanical systems, duct ceiling, that whole section that we have in the 18 um didn't change. It's still there and all that criteria that has to be on the plans is there. Now in the 2024 the section does move to R 105.2 and the list expands. It now includes things like uh your solar if you have solar ready because we're going to have solar ready. There are solar ready uh criteria um that will have to be placed on the plans. um if you're having an ES uh energy um uh storage system uh that information will have to be placed on the plan. So the energy code did try to capture all of that and nothing has been removed from that table but there was some additions to that table. I might just mention that

regardless of whichever um you know code that we get I see that you know administratively we can help by updating our plans checklist too. So, you know, when we get to that point of whatever the recommendation is, we'll revise those um plan checklist for submitt, I think that'll be really helpful. We'll work with um chips to to kind of redevelop those, too. So, we've got good guidance on submitt requirements for plan checklist. Good news is is you're in Excel's territory. So, we have a plethora of technical resources that anybody can go on to the site and pull down and be able to utilize whether you're 21 or 24. So,

what's the testing requirement look like for mechanical ventilation and duct work within the envelope? It's like a blower door for duct work within the envelope and a flow hood for the mechanical ventilation.

You would be looking at a flow hood for the mechanical ventilation. Um as and a blower door would be required. As far as the duct work goes in the 21, it no longer cares if the duct work is inside the thermma envelope or outside of the therma envelope. All duct work will have to be tested. No matter the size of the runs or anything else, it's got to have a duct blaster. Yes. Correct.

Now, in the 24, the 24 does take into account uh the number of uh supply and returns, how large the the uh building is, and um things of that nature. And you would follow that particular table instead of just across the board values. Yeah. Cuz it gets the smaller the system, the more difficult it is to get the values.

Yep. So you'll love the 24 because that table was designed understanding that it's not a one, you know, duck design is not a one-sizefits-all and the testing doesn't work that way either. So, and the flow hood is just looking for over, you know, in and out are roughly balanced or is it each outlet has to be tuned

in and outlet? Yeah, it it's uh I'm trying to remember how exactly it's written, but basically what they want to ensure is whatever ventilation system you have, you are meeting one, you know, what you have on the plans and you are meeting what is in the code because like the whole house mechanical ventilation is based on, you know, the size of home, whether it's it's intermittent, whether it's, you know, how many bedrooms you have. And that tells you how much CFM it has to be pushing. And the uh mechanical ventilation testing is just verifying that out in the field if it was it it was supposed to be 60 CFM that after it's installed, they'll test it and it does actually get the 60 CFM. Hope is there anything in the 24 code that say I don't want to use a brand name but aeros seal if somebody was to aeros seal a home and duct work are they exempted out of doing some uh costs for testings and things like that if they just provide a a sealing method that that's going to just guarantee it's done.

No, it does not exempt it out. Part of that process is they're doing that while they while they're sealing the duct work and the envelope, they're getting real time readings. So, I'm assuming they could just fill out a form saying, "Yeah, that's what it is." Yeah. Those guys are pretty good at what they do. I have so many questions. Um the um whole house ventilation requirements uh

is it still in 21 and or 24 is it still like the chart? Um it's like a ve very simple table based on square footage more or less or is it uh deferring to Ashray 622? Uh, no, it's it's the table and it's the, you know, the square footage, bedrooms, and that tells you how much CFM and so forth. It's still that table. Gotcha. Okay.

Uh, and you would be happy to know for the ERRI pathway in the 2024, there was a divergence in the 18 and 21. So you couldn't get an ERRI score because the ventilation system equation was changed in the energy code in the 24. It went back to reverting to the Ashray standard. So now a HERS score and ERRI score are one and the same and you actually can achieve it. So uh next slide please. Uh so these are the major differences um from the 18 to the 21 and 24 for the commercial. Uh in the 21 it was completely revised for the additional efficiencies. In the 18 right now it's pick one and be done. In the 21 um you have to get uh 10 credits. Um it's actually there's one way to do it and it's really really easy but that's neither here nor there. uh all commercial buildings are required to do lower door testing and or to have a building envelope commissioning uh performed. Um uh what was that John? Oh um the uh there is a revised section that deals with supplemental heat for heat pumps. they there's an understanding there, you know, making sure they're not both on at the same time. There's more lighting controls added, growth facility lighting has been added. There's now energy monitoring requirements, but those are for buildings, the very large buildings for it to kick in. I don't think we'll see anything in Leadville, but that's a big one. and the existing building chapter does have some revisions to it,

some pretty significant ones for the um uh commercial side. Now, for the 24, there are concepts that have been brought in um that are new. The thermal bridging, there's an actual new section that deals with thermal bridging. It's something that's been alluded to in the earlier editions and now the 24 just outright says here's how we're going to address thermal bridging. The additional efficiency uh section has been completely revised. We will have to get um energy efficiency credits and uh renewable and load management credits depending on the size of the building and so forth. Again, fuel types are going to matter. the air leakage section was revised and the uh air leakage rate was reduced. It was a point4 CFM is the requirement in the 2021 and then it was reduced down to a.35 CFM per square foot metric. Um there's a new section that was um uh provided that created that basically gives you a little bit of a uh I want to say leniency for simple mechanical systems. So the new section um uh 409 does not apply to everyone or the ability to apply to everyone but it is there. Uh there's uh even further growth facility lighting controls. The commercial uh in the 2024 now requires that you must install renewable energy. Now, with that being said, I already have uh uh had conversations with the state and

because the 2021 does not require that uh renewable energy be installed, they are allowing people to actually uh amend that out of the code. So, that's it's here, but we can have it gone. Um and the existing building chapter was completely revised. So you don't have to put silver on commercial buildings. You can amend it out. You do.

That's the one thing that we absolutely get to amend out. Believe you me, I saved that email from the state. That's a big one. That's I believe that's all I have. Correct Dan? I think we're questions and

right and the basis of of basically open my presentation was just to give you an update on what the changes in 21 and 24 and let you decide we either way you're complying with state codes when you adopt either the 21 or the 24. Um, and we will help you put in whatever you want to enforce. Um, I can say Hope and I's standpoint is the 24 is a better code, at least in most regards. There are a few things that are I know I'm speaking for you, Hope, but No, you're good.

Um, 24 is a better code and has a little more leniency on what you're allowed to do, but ultimately the 21 and 24 are extremely comparable. the energy code. You do have more performance-based methods based methods to comply with energy than you do in the 21. Any questions? Like drinking from a fire.

Richie, go ahead. So, the the state require I want to make sure I say this right. The state requirement for June30 is the 2021 IEC and the models solar ready and EV charging ready. Model model electric ready because it is more than just EV ready and and solar ready. Is there anybody that could speak to those? I'm not Yes. What would you like to know?

I think that's it own. And then the 2020 and then the after July one is not the 2024. It's the low energ. It is the model low energy carbon code. And I'm going to say this very non-politically correct as possible going from the 18 to that. you do not you want to ensure that you get it done for the 21 or 24. Um you'll have to go to it in 2030 because that's the next time and you will have no choice. At least currently as it stands, you'll have to go to it. But going from the 18 to that would be um in my opinion a detriment to both Leadville and Lake County.

My quick look is that it's it's pretty much everything in the 2024 but with a lot of enhancements if you will um Colorado specific things that they've added on to it. So it's there's a lot. So, so there's a fairly sizable difference between the 24 and the less is what you're saying. I think so. Yeah. From what I my my quick look that's

Yeah. and and where the 24 really had a focus on uh size of building um especially residentially. If you have any residentially they hit you hard and they hit you hard on the size of the the building and depending on the size you no longer get to use the base of the energy code. If you hit a a threshold, you will then have to go and go into the appendix and be a net zero energy home

amongst many other things. So then it gets back to the first part of the in other words, nobody's ever going to build again the model uh or the the electric ready part of the requirement on I think we almost need our own presentation on that frankly just so I don't know if we can put that on the agenda for their next meeting.

Absolutely. we can work with um choose and see what their um availability is and and so I'm wondering um about creating that. I don't know right now if we can um commit to the next meeting time so I can save you some emails and

and things like that and then we can start creating the agenda. But I do think that one is um seeing if we could put that on the agenda um to uh piggy back on what we've learned tonight. Um I you know we definitely recognize we've got some urgency around um the resiliency code and so I think that our next agenda should be focused on the next steps of adoption of the um wildfire resiliency code and um also then I I' love to see if we could co put on that agenda as well um more discuss on that on the second part of our requirements under our energy requirements.

Do we want to discuss frequency? I mean, last time it was like once a month, but I feel like we need to Yeah. I just feel like it's a really ambitious schedule because I mean, last time we didn't have to choose between two and and it took us years. Granted, we have CO in there, too. But, um, right, we had CO and we didn't have the deadlines that we have. Um, we did with the energy code. We made it in time with that, but it it seemed like a more generous time frame that we had last time than we do this time. So, um I think if we can do twice monthly, that'd be probably necessary to have any chance of this. Um I don't think Yeah, I was thinking every other week. So,

every other week. Okay. Is there a day of the week that works? Oh, let me open Let me stop sharing here real quick. Um, and I come and go a lot for the next four months, right? A lot of go is there, but I can always do Zoom. Yeah. Is there any day of the week that's preferable for you or it's doesn't matter? Wednesdays are fine. Wednesdays are usually better. I'm going to throw Wednesday out as well. Wednesday. Matt, do you have any thoughts about Wednesday if we went to a regular meeting? Six of GCS. Yeah, Wednesdays are fun. Yeah. Wednesday at our is 4 to 6 your preferred preferred time.

Yeah, that's good. Real good. Um so we could um skip obviously next week and so we'd be looking at the following which I think would put us on the 28th of Yeah. And so we'd be looking to dive in a little further to the wildfire resiliency. um and kind of splitting our time then between that and looking at um the other component of the required energy adoption. Cool. Sounds good to me. So just recurring ending starting reoccurring the 28th every other

like it. So that would require availability. I mean, would you want us on in on that meeting again to discuss or do you want to discuss it amongst yourselves and let us know what you've got? How about I kind Yes. What would you I I kind of we need we would need hope for the energy portion if you're available hope on the 28th. Um if we dive into that Yeah. If if we do that availability on that, I think hopeful

and I I mean it's possible that if you know we have a really good slideshow that's put together something that we can navigate it to. I mean that's don't think that model energy and maybe we could get you some information ahead of time and if you could I I have some stuff too that I'd be happy to share as well. And if and if you have specific questions, maybe we can get a Q&A from Hope as well. So yeah, um specific information you're looking for as far as for the model code, I think just a general overview of it.

Um and I don't think there's all that much to it, so it probably wouldn't take too long, but I do think it's it's packed with a lot, so want to have a good understanding of it. and love to if you after tonight if you all have questions get them to me and we'll get answers so you know so even when we're not meeting on Wednesday if you after tonight the sinks in I'll I'll send the slide deck from tonight to all of you okay and then if you have questions shoot them over and and we'll continue offline to continue to get your questions answered too between now and then

so I will say this if you are if your adoption of the I codes is depending on what the what IECC version you're looking for it's better to bring the whole suite of codes from the same year together so don't pick and choose okay don't take the 2021 IBC IRC and then the which I feel like we've done in the past yeah they work together when they're the same year better city was under that 06 energy code when we did our last adoption yeah that was That was a while ago, but that was all on the same under the same one. So, um, great. Okay. So, six o'clock. So, yes, I will make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

Second. All in favor? I I All right. Meeting adjourned at 602. Thank you everyone. Thank you very much. Bye everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Hope. Thanks, Cole. I don't know what happened.