Board of County Commissioners Regular and Meetings - Special Meeting

Welcome to a special meeting of the Lake County Board of County Commissioners is March 30th at 400 PM. Uh item number one on our agenda is a public hearing regarding resolution 2026-10, a resolution adopting by reference the 2025 Colorado wildfire resiliency code and associated state wildfire wildfire hazard map for application within uninccorporated lake county. That starts with a hearing and we'll go ahead and read the opening statement for the hearing. The Lake County Board of County Commissioners and Board of Review will now conduct a joint public hearing. This statement I'm reading shall be incorporated into and made part of the record on these proceedings. Board of County Commissioners and Board of Review have jurisdiction to conduct conduct a joint public hearing on consideration of the Colorado Wildfire Fire Resiliency Code and accompany state map pursuant to Colorado Revised Statutes 30-28-204. The purpose of this hearing is to consider whether the proposed code should be approved. Considering that matter, the commission will consider the recommendation of the advisory committee, public comment, and the evidence presented today. The procedure to follow in this hearing will be as follows. The county staff one, the county staff will make an initial presentation. Two, after that any per persons either supporting or opposing the code adopt adoption may present evidence. We may limit that public comment to three minutes. Supporting and opposing witnesses may be questioned by the boards. Once questioning is concluded, no further questioning is permitted unless

granted by the chair. The parties and witnesses are asked not to submit redundant, irrelevant, or accumulative evidence. If someone has already made the point that you wish to make, simply say so. The chair will also require that all comments be made to the board and that there be no dialogue between members of the audience. At the conclusion of the evidentiary portion of this hearing, the chair will entertain a motion to close the evidentiary portion of this hearing and the commission will discuss and weigh the evidence. Then there will be a motion to close the discussion phase of the joint public hearing. The board will then approve the resolution with no conditions or approve the resolution with identified conditions or deny the resolution. Are there any obje objections to the jurisdiction of this board or to the forum and substance or substance of these proceedings?

Hearing none, the county staff will please make its initial presentation. Start here. Okay, very good. Um, thank you so much. I am joined today by the advisory committee that has been working together to review the fire codes um that address our community's wildfire wildland urban interface. Um, I know that we're all acutely aware of the very real threat of wildfire with the current climate conditions that we're experiencing, snow drought, um, high winds, and low relative humidity, um, coupled with, um, fuel loads and ignition sources. So, this is a very timely hearing um, for our community. I'm joined today by the um fire marshal or excuse me um the fire chief Dan Daly and our uh fire code expert Barbara Rice from Shums Dakota as well as the board of review. And I'm going to go ahead and just do a quick roll call of board of review members. Um Ethan Kirk

present, Charlie Benny here, and Matt Bulock here.

Thank you. Um, so I'm going to uh talk just a little bit um about our timelines. Barbara is going to review just give us a an overview of the Colorado uh resiliency code. Dan is going to highlight the mapping um that was developed by the state and then I'm going to go over the administration of the adoption if it is approved today. And then we have left time for questions. So we're going to go ahead and get started here. And let me just take this to go. Um so um already recognized everybody that's with us today. And the uh statutory board that was created for this is the Colorado Wildfire Resiliency Code Board. and um they were established to create a state model code and local governing bodies are required to adopt a code that meets or exceeds um the model code. The recommendation from the advisory committee is to adopt the Colorado Resiliency Code. Um, and we are required to adopt this by April 1st, um, with code enforcement beginning July 1. So, I'm going to go ahead and turn it on over to Barbara and she'll talk a little bit um, give us some background and overview of the state code.

Good afternoon. And as Ann mentioned, um, you know, the the group with the state, uh, worked for a couple of years to adopt a statewide code for consistency and to address the specific, um, fire concerns in the state of Colorado. Um, the whole purpose of it is to reduce wildfire risk. Um, and they took the the tackware, uh, they focused on structure hardening. um which and as well as defensible space um which helps keep things consistent and protect the uh wildland urban interface both the structures and the wildland area um in those areas particularly where there's no infrastructure with regard to water maybe a limited response. So through that um this code applies to new construction, certain alterations if they're in excess of 500 square ft um and certain retrofits in the WOOI area which includes roof replacement and wall replacement that is greater than 25% of that area. There are some exemptions to this code such as interior alterations. small accessory structures are not required to meet um the Colorado wildfire resiliency code. Um and then minor repairs. the Colorado state code has taken or had taken the international uh wildland urban interface model code and adjusted it and in in many ways um things like accessory structures they've exempt it and they've made it just a little bit more consistent and easier to enforce

um the state went ahead and did official mapping that designated the well and urban interface areas and the fire hazard or fire intensity classifications throughout the state. And those classifications are break out into low, moderate and high. Um and these areas um um any oh any unmapped areas within the jurisdiction uh the jurisdiction is allowed to classify in addition uh to being able to amend the mapping in their area based on weather and topography. Um this the state code um gets does not address water and access requirements that are in the model code. They leave that up to the jurisdictional um fire protection abilities, capabilities, the infrastructure. Um and again, this code also does supplement the other codes such as the building code and the fire codes that are adopted by the jurisdiction. Um there is a an area within the state code that allows something called ground truththing per the language of the code. So owners of property can request sight specific reviews to reduce or change their mapping. Um again in areas where infrastructure is um provided or where development occurs or continues to occur to reduce the fire hazard severity uh zone in that particular mapped area. um the owner of the property or jurisdiction can go back to the state and ask to have that area remapped to a lesser hazard. Um so there is uh class one ignition resistant construction and class two ignition resistant construction. Class

one ignition resistant construction is in the low hazard severity zones. Um they require class A roofing, non-combustible gutters and amber resistant vents. Class 2 ignition resistant construction uh for structure hardening is in the moderate and high hazard zones which are uh which make up the the largest part of Lake County. Uh there's uh non-combustible or ignition resistant exterior walls, class A roofing, protected eaves and sophets, tempered glass and windows, and then non-combustible or class AB- rated um decking as well as the uh ember resistant vents. So there's a few additional requirements for the construction for ignition resistance for class 2. They have also identified the um structure ignition zones with regard to defensible space in the immediate zone 0 to 5 ft within structure. You need to have non-combustible surfaces and no shrubs or combustible material um or combustible mulch within the 0 to 5 foot which is pretty standard for defensible space in these higher hazards or or in the wooi area when they follow best practices like firewise um which is a national best practice the intermediate zone which is five to 30 feet from the structure you can do fuel reduction and tree pruning so it doesn't uh the total elimination of all fuels in that area and then the expanded zone which is where you have um tree spacing is reduced right you need uh certain amount of spacing between the trees for uh um to allow for um fuel brakes if you

will so that the fire won't spread from canopy to canopy. Another requirement is non-combustible fencing within 8 ft of structures and non-combustible retaining walls. Is there any questions so far about the um the major code requirements with regard to the structure hardening or ignition resistant construction uh per the Colorado code? Barbara, I have a question. Yes. Um, I'm Elsa Tharp, the commissioner. Hi. I understood that we can also submit our own maps. Yes.

Local maps. Just wanted to make that clear. So, when a private residence wants to um potentially change their own mapping designation, couldn't they come to us to do that change or do they have to go to the state to contest the um they could go through the ground truthing with the jurisdiction or the state directly? You know, if the if the jurisdiction is looking to amend their whole mapping area, uh then they can do it or the property owner can go through the state directly.

Okay. Thank you. Also, I didn't mention, but there are also pres um there is also um some exemptions and allowances for historic areas in the wildland urban interface areas.

Any other questions? I have one more question, Barbara. I know we're going to exempt most of the city completely. So that are we also going to consider that for the town of Twin Lakes? I don't remember discussing that. Darren, they're they're mapped I believe. So we'll um Dan's going to go through all the maps. Um the part of the county that's not mapped right now um or undesated is West Park. Um you can see kind of over in here in the cemetery area.

Um these are some areas in kind of Mountain View Drive um uh to Popppler. So those are some areas um that are not designated right now. And the thought is that the city wanted to take a little bit of time to um look at their areas that are not designated. and we talked about doing kind of a collective um designation and working together with Dan um who I think is going to talk a little bit more about um the mapping piece but we'll he'll show the whole county. We'll start here and then he'll move through it. Thank you.

Maybe that's a great way segue there, Dan, to go ahead and and review the maps with us. Hey, good good evening everybody. Um uh if I feel I mean if I seem a little preoccupied, there's a structure fire going on also right now out in the county on 991 Mountain Ruby Lane.

So I do have my radio on. I'm just going to maybe silence it. It'll be really low. So I'm sorry if it's disruptive. Um but I'm trying to listen in on that right now. Um I'm on a day off so I'm not responding but uh they have it all taken care of. We just did lost stop at 1609 so that's great. Um I have full confidence in their operations and um sounds like a a good operation and they're wrapping it up. So uh so let's talk about mapping a little bit. The Colorado Wildfire Resiliency State code map was uh it was created by DFPC, Division of Fire Prevention and Control and the State Forest Service in the direction of the Wildfire Resiliency Code Board. And that's how we created this map. that board and also those agencies to include a lot of jurisdictions understand that this map in all of state of Colorado, not just in county, it needs to be better and uh and they they plan on hope hopefully doing a little little bit more work to this map uh later on this year. At least that's in discussion. Uh you'll see here uh of course the majority of Lake County is for source boom. That's all the X's and um the high intensity areas in those areas. Uh majority of the private parcels in Lake County all in moderate or high intensity. Moderate is going to be your orange on this map and the high intensity or the high level is going to be your red. And of course we understand that Lake County because of the forest and uh just the nature of where we live. That is going to be the classifications for those. uh the majority of the city is undesated as you can see right there in the middle of that map except for about five areas in there and that's you know the historic areas but also um and

I'll be working with Chapen and also the building department as we discussed also to see about the changes of what we can do for people in areas where uh if the landscape has changed or the slope has been taken care of we can go for those amendments and and get with state or or uh the building department and go through our local jurisdictions like what we just talked about. Uh it was also mentioned that there is low intensity areas in the county and that's essentially like E Hill and uh north south of on Highway 82 and then um the least amount of county parcels are within the uh undesated classifications. Um, I think that's pretty much all I have. It's pretty self-explanatory when it pertains to how they did their mapping. Uh, it it kind of goes in line with a lot of our uh Colorado um wildfire protection plan as well and uh in the areas that we've already designated as high intensity uh areas of Lake County. So, and the moderate sections. Uh, do you have any questions that I could answer about the mapping itself?

One more just kind of gives you the you can see where I think the majority of the questions have been answered by Barbara and and so thank you for that. Would you like to look at any of these different versions of the map before we move on? Well, can we talk about West Park then? Sure. Only because it's not in the city. So why would we

So I think that um we talked about doing a a map amendment at this kind of in um conjunction with one another g bringing in some information. One of the things that we're feeling is the deadline um for adoption. And so we wanted just some time to really kind of do essentially that ground truththing in those areas to kind of determine, you know, there's probably a high probability. It's got adjacency to that moderate that it would, you know, there's probably not a lot of um reason not to consider it within the moderate area. There was some discussion with the board of review about going ahead and moving forward with making it all moderate. And I don't know if anybody on the board want to talk about that a little bit. Um but at the um request of Dion um we we had decided that we would wait to to do the mapping um together but I think you all had some thoughts about it too if you would like to share anything.

Um personally I'm a little conflicted with the mapping right now. Um you know everything surrounding it is orange. Um,

but I think we rather than just push an easy button and making it all orange, I think there should be some discussions because it has real implications for how we will be able to build. Um, the one of the biggest that I see is um siding choices. You look around town and around the areas and a large percentage of our sighting is wood. Um, and unless you want to spring for fire retardant wood, which is going to be prohibitively expensive in most cases, um, you're going to have to use different tool options for that. Um, so we haven't as a board discussed uh too in depth um, one way or another what we're thinking for classification or recommendation rather. Um but I think uh yeah it's something that I think needs a decent discussion just based on um how it will change building in the city or in the county and then I think we're going to work jointly with the city. It looks like like half of the city annexation is in moderate also. I can't put the real one.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's really um Yeah. Another thing that Barbara mentioned um that I want to gloss over is uh there are exemptions for historical. So we're entertaining while Chapen is uh exempting the historical district for obvious reasons. Um which is a good portion of the city. I why would So I guess maybe this doesn't matter but low we're not designating it a low risk area. We're just exempting it from our WOOI mapping. What is the difference there? And why what is the difference there? And are we allow and how are we allowed to do that

in leaving it undesated? Yeah, undesated doesn't require any hardening or any zone um protection. So it doesn't none of the required standards apply to the undesated area and then as um Barbara was going through she differentiated between the low the moderate and high have the exact same. Yeah. So as it sits right now there there are no um oversight to those areas. So it doesn't really matter whether we design we were to designate it low or just to not include it. Low would have hardening requirements. Right. Okay. Yeah. Pretty minimal. Yeah.

And the heart and the shell that's for fires that come onto the house. So the heart and the shell proof vents. Yeah. Stuff like that. So, uh, I don't know. I think Chapen wanted more time and Dan wanted more time to work on it a little bit and then maybe the board needs more time to think about it. Well, I think we do have the option, right, to alter things. Yeah. Over time. Yeah. So, we could just update our map when they're ready. Correct. But we get it in the timeline.

Yeah. The point was push the code through, get it approved before and then table the mapping exercise which requires a little bit more. So, okay.

All right. Any other math questions? Um, how does it apply to like is it any different for government buildings or commercial buildings? The hardening. No.

Cool. Okay. Um, so the administration of the code will take the um coordination between the building department, the planning department, fire department and code enforcement. Um so for the structure ignition zones, we'll be looking at doing site plan review. Um the city and and county planning departments will do that just as part of the zoning review. The hardening requirements um will be done through the building department through the plan review and inspection. Um so we're looking to just absorb that as part of the inspections that we're doing on site and part of plan review. Um we want to further develop policies like you were just talking about historic exemptions, map amendments, um just creating um the process for zone inspections. We anticipate training staff and having this ready for administration from adoption um through June 30th so that we've created all the necessary steps to enforce the code. And educating the public is another priority. So right now we have a front-facing part of the website that we've created its own page and all the resources that were put into teams. You know, there's kind of a whole plethora of um resources that we're going to have at the ready for the public to um be able to get that information quickly and easily. As well as we'll be looking at opportunities to um grow awareness through potentially a webinar online. and um we will get our uh capacity to potentially hold an open house on it as well. So um just working this is kind of our um plan for administering uh the code if it were approved and then we just wanted to leave plenty

of time to allow questions and for be able to then go into public. We don't really have a choice. The state is mandating this basically. Yeah.

Yeah. There's, you know, we at least got to match the state and then it's up to us whether they go more stringent, which has real world consequences on builders and home owners. I mean, on paper, all this sounds like, yeah, why not? It's a no-brainer, but um consequences are real. Um, one question I have is I was reading in some of the packet materials about what triggers the need for like meeting the new codes. Like say you're getting a roof replacement. Does that mean then that just the roof has to meet the guidelines or now you've got to go and do all of your tree work? You've got to make sure none of your fences within 8 ft of the building are combustible. Like if does one thing trigger a blanket, you got to beat every aspect of the code.

Um Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. So, I believe that defensible space um for there are some retroactive things um which does include defensible space and vegetation management in the code. If you're doing a roof replacement and it is greater than 25%, only the roof would have to comply to the construction requirements of the code. Okay. So, it's probably in that packet somewhere. What is retroactive versus Yes. What is in the code, right?

Yes. And that'll be part of the training for staff is we will have a checklist created that will um help our permit techs know how to advise on those type of things and we'll have this aligned with our roofing permits to trigger the appropriate requirements. Okay. So that's part of that April 1st through June 30th time period. Um could you elaborate a little bit Barbara please on the the reasoning? What's what's the deal with the tempered glass windows? I mean, glass isn't going to burn. Glass is glass. It's so there's it doesn't shatter and there's no air flow or like

So, the reason for and it could be tempered or multiplanes, which you know, I think the energy code is going to force a lot of that. What happens is it doesn't So, glass glass does melt at certain temperatures um and and can be breached in the fire. So what happens is once that opening that glass um is open then the oxygen and the fire is going to move more readily into the house. And keep in mind it's it's the same going outside too. So if we had a house fire in the wildland urban interface area the fire in the house is going to move a little slower before it leaves the building and then potentially ignites uh the wildland or the vegetative fuels and then continues to cause the fire. uh to move in that area.

Okay. Thank you. Um one last uh thing that I was wondering is that with how challenging it can be for homeowners in the mountain region to find homeowners insurance if they get dropped or if they um see their premiums rise substantially. Does this type of process in a community adopting more stringent wildfire codes ever lead to any type of insurance breaks for homeowners? Does it are we will we suddenly be more appealing to State Farm for adopting this code? And does that spell any dollars and cents for property owners?

It's rare that you get a huge discount, but one of the things I can tell you is I'm currently serving. I'm from Arizona and I'm serving on a state um government um committee uh that was due to legislature from our governor's office that came out of concerns for um we're seeing people in the wild and urban interface lose their insurance, not be insured or the premiums are ridiculous. So the state has uh the department of insurance um that want to cap it and they're working with the state forester here in Arizona to come up with something very similar um to try to protect that and I'm on the advisory committee for the state because we are seeing that I know it's happening in Utah and Arizona whether or not they give a big discount if you get it. But what you will do is this type of thing will help keep the premiums lower and keep your people insured.

Okay. Can I also just say about that the way to reduce our homeowners insurance is to get front range folks to protect their homes against hail. I know that doesn't make sense.

It does. Yeah. But that's what is driving a significant portion of our homeowners insurance in every part of the state. So insurance that's where insurance companies see the biggest payout is from that. So they increase everybody's even though our risk for hail damage is like zero. So we don't feel that because they're serving so many folks. Um but the state is working the direct what commissioner of insurance is trying to get some new levers to help him try to reduce homeowners insurance for everyone by trying to help subsidize the front range getting their specifically their roofs more resilient to hail damage. It's a really ridiculous line, I think, but like nobody expects. You think like, oh, I do this for my home, I should be able to get a break, right? If I drive slower in my car, I get reduction in my car insurance. It's um this weird trail all the way out to like Walmart. The um one of the the weird things that I've seen happen is we had uh about 5 years ago what looked like it was going to be really dry summer and I was out of town for a while. So I was worried like stressing about my house the whole time I was gone. So I called my insurance company and got the the fire portion of my insurance bumped up a whole bunch, you know, cuz if you look at what they'll actually pay you, it's like nothing. like it's maybe a third of what your home and none of your possessions.

So, I bumped that up and then I got back and we were tight on budget stuff. So, we're like, oh, where can we trim every dollar? We took that add-on back out. I years later, I was like, you know what? I want that back on there. Like, it doesn't feel good not having adequate fire protection. And they were like, no, you can't add this on for where you live. So I don't know what that has to I mean it's probably directly connected to the whole hail situation but they were like for where you guys live adding more fire protection is or it was like they would do it but it was like eight times the cost of what it was before. So,

I will I will also say that if you all ever hear of somebody who loses their their home insurance or can't get home insurance, the commissioner of insurance for Colorado has said to specifically call him in his office and he has never been able to not get someone insurance home insurance. So, I think it's a resource that we could all be using more. Okay, that's good information. Yeah. Um I just have a question about timeline. So suppose we adopt this today. When does it go in effect? It goes in effect today of the resolution. Yeah. So anybody who is

has a current permit to build a home. I should say that that you adopt it today, but it goes in we don't start enforcing it until July 1. Till July 1. And so if someone gets their permits in June 15th, are they exempt from this or yes, should we all plan on hardening our structures from now on out? Now, very good question and and thanks for clarifying that. You know, we won't start enforcing it both in the city and the county until July 1. So any per anything permitted after July 1 is subject to these rules on July one or on on July one or after. anything permitted before that and that

is not subject to the the the code requirements for hard it will it will add cost it will another reason that we want to make sure that we've got good messaging on the website we're getting information you know we'll be doing we invited all the contractors to um the hearing today and we'll get information out to them too. So, it's, you know, it's good that we we are um definitely in communication with the industry often and we'll get that information out so that um everyone becomes aware of it.

What do penalties look like? I mean, are we the reality is I think we're looking at telling everyone they can't have a bush within 5T of their house for new constructs. It's a resilient bush. There's certain bushes. There certain species. I've got a really Whoa. forgot we were in public meeting. Sorry. We But I mean like the the enforcement aspect and like we're telling people that you know they're there's some very near and dear foliage people have next to their homes. We're going to be telling them like oh you got a new roof you got to cut your you got to cut your bushes down. Like

I think what we just heard on the roof doesn't trigger Yeah. doesn't trigger that. Well, but the is the foliage part of the retroactive guidelines. Barbara, go ahead, Barbara. Thank you. I tried to raise my hand, but I'm clapping. I'm so sorry.

That worked. That's all. I just wanted to mention that, you know, there is this 0 to5 limit, but there's also there's also some allowance for certain types of plants that um are very fire resistant in the areas. And you guys may may look at amending some of that defensible space um to where you utilize those plants um because it's it's either non-combustible, but you could also use fireresistant um plants in that area as well. And um I think the big concern with retroactively or my thoughts with retroactively looking at your defensible space is to uh allow people timeline do your assessments um have assessments similar to the firewise um just to get them there. Um and so assess that particular hazard for each property and give them a timeline. That is generally what I see in these areas uh where we have new communities go into either a WOOI code or or adopt a Firewise or become a Firewise community.

Okay. Thank you, Barbara. Thank you. Anything else before we move into public comment? If there's anybody here'd like to make a public comment, please raise your hand. Just tell us your name and I'm going to limit you to 3 minutes, please.

Craig B, 315 East 7th Street following the city limits. So um the question I have is um has the state done um an economic impact study on how much is this going to cost per square foot? As an example, is it 25% of the building cost? is a 10% just so that people know when they're building you know it's going to add an extra I don't know 15% to the building cost you know and the other question I had is if you in a red zone according to this the state map what happens can an insurance company drop you or increase your premiums quite substantially and I seem to remember there was something in the code they couldn't but I I can't remember if it's the case or not.

Thank you. I don't know the answer to the first question. Do you? But I have not seen yesterday. I know we did the impact of um the code um the 21 or 24 code that impact but we have not I don't have any reports on the impact of the Colorado resiliency code as far as an economic impact. Barbara, do you have any of do you have any knowledge of that?

No. When I was um following this process um of the of the group of the council, if you will, um they didn't publish anything with regard to economic impact at all. Um so I'm not really sure that they did an evaluation of that or uh made that a priority. I I just don't know the answer to that. There's nothing in all of their work and their drafts or even their extra ordinance or document that indicate that that's something that is uh put into place or was considered.

It's definitely going to raise it. You add it all up, it's going to I was just looking at treat, you know, they're treating cedar with some fireproof. I think it's it's it's it's going to add it adds a dollar a linear foot. So roughly $2 or $3 a square foot. But they must it must be like a treated lumber which is infused with copper and formaldahhide and stuff like that. So you got that for too. What about the second question bar? Can you help us with that? Which is uh when we implement this map and it shows red is, you know, is the insurance is our insurance companies going to look at that and say, "Oh, good. Look at that. We can raise everybody's premiums."

Well, the insurance companies can unless there's um some sort of state legislation that's going to block it. But again, in in the areas where um where the code is adopted, a lot of times they will look at the red um and just want to make sure that the property um is assessed. And an example of that is I know of a friend who had a property here. They were dropped and they went back and demonstrated the construction. They had their defensible space, their access, their um the operations cap capability for wildland firefighting and water and then the insurance company put them back on and did not raise their rates. So, it's always an option. But again, if if you have uh you know, a house that has good defensible space and good access, uh then it is likely that if they do decide to drop you, you can appeal that and get that back.

So, it may be the case that some retrofitting might be might be in everybody's best interest or they're just going to force us into it

is beneficial. Yeah. And to be fair, some some properties may already have certain amounts of ignition resisted construction or you have the multi-pane glass already. Maybe there's a class A roof already. So, those are things that they can they can present to the insurance company. Okay. Thank you, Craig. Anybody else have any public comments they'd like to share or ask? Okay. Public comment portion of this hearing is over. Uh any supporting or opposing witnesses may now be questioned by the board. Once that questioning is concluded, no further question is permitted. That's by the chair. Do either of you have any questions for Craig?

No. Thank you. Okay. So, that concludes the evidentiary portion of this hearing. The chair will entertain a motion to close the evidentiary portion of this hearing and the commission will then discuss and weigh the evidence. Then there will be a motion to close the discussion phase of the joint public hearing. Can I get a motion entertain a motion to close the evidentiary portion of this meeting? I'll move to close evidentiary portion. I have a second that to a vote. I I

I evidentiary portion of this meeting of this hearing is closed

and we will move on to discussion. There's anything you'd like to discuss. Does that include also the board of review or just the commission? So the commission involves all of us. Any discussion from board of county commissioners? I

think the only thing I'll add is um back to your one of your initial questions regarding um the ground truthing. Um it includes so like I would imagine if somebody has a property and they want to ground truth it to change the mapping includes the property but it also includes 300 ft from the property. So um I think that's an important piece of information for people who are trying to go through the non-treatment process. It's not just what you control. It's also appropriate of that. So it would be including other people's properties, not just the structure, but your land outside of your land boundary. Okay. Interesting.

It's quite a process. Can I get a motion to close the discussion phase of this joint public hearing? I will make a motion to close the discussion phase of this hearing. Seconded to a vote. I discussion I discussion phase of this public hearing is hereby closed. And now I will entertain a motion to approve this resolution with no conditions. Approve resolution with identified conditions or deny the resolution. I'll move to approve the resolution with no conditions.

I'll second that. So, for the record, we are approving resolution 2026-10, a resolution adopting by reference the Colorado Wildfire Fire Resiliency Code, an associated state wildfire hazard map for application within unincorporated Lake County. Yes. Thank you. That's okay. To a vote. I I I hereby adopted

that. Yeah.

It just teed right up for me. I mean, that was all I That was, you know, I'm 15 months in Hey, Craig. Incidentally, we're discussing at the at the border review discussing sprinkler systems. Our next meeting is Wednesday. You mean I'll be coming? Wednesday at 4:00, isn't that right? Yeah. So, you're right. I actually did some research because I was at last time and um Chief Di mentioned something. Yeah, I've done some research on Come on in and talk to us on I didn't know if I could talk because I'm just a public um

We'll let you know when you can talk. talk. Thank you. Okay. Um, when my neighbor recently redid his place, he did stuck all around the whole outside of the house. Not my favorite look, but it could be aired with things that probably wouldn't look bad. Is that considered a fire resilient? Yeah, cuz I mean it's only like Stuckco and then like wire mesh and then it's like foam board behind it, but I guess it's still pretty resistant to foam board's highly fable. That's what I would but it's got that

is conventional only conventional or if it's the synthetic steno but I I know sto is certainly and I don't know if it has to be conventional or the chicken wire or if the synthetic is also there's there's some language in there. Shall we move on? Item number three, discussion and consideration of resolution 2026-11, a resolution to reszone the property known as Timber Ranch Subdivision, tract B from urban residential to Timber Ranch Planned Unit Development, led by Anne Snyder, director of planning and zoning.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, so this is the resolution to uh reszone from urban residential track B of the Timber Ranch subdivision into planned unit development. And you did um a uh a recommendation was brought to you on um April 1st from the planning commission on March. They you had a joint public hearing on March 24th with the planning commission. They recommended approval um and you approved uh the zoning but conditionally and so it was that um we would work together um to correct any minor edits to the zoning control document and to the final plat prior to um approving the resolution for the reszone. So the the um type of edits that we made to the zoning control doc where we added standard standard accessory uses um we added direction on amendments that was missing like how do you make amendments to your zoning uh control deck. Um it gave the county enforcement of the zoning. So it gave us the ability to enforce it and um we added the approved uh roadway standards. So there were several different ways um distances between driveways uh the standard roadway design for Timber Ranch. These were all approved um but they became um roadway standards that are within the zoning itself. So minor edits um that we did just to clean up the document and we worked with um the county attorney as well to cure anything that was outstanding on that. So, um we bring the resolution today just for the um reszoning of the property from urban residential into planned unit development.

Thank you. Incidentally, Dan and Barbara, thanks for being here. I'm not sure you want to hang around for the rest of this, but Barbara, we appreciate your input at the border review as well. And Dan, yeah. Yes. Thank you both so much. Thank you everybody. Have a good evening. Thank you.

I don't have any questions or discussion. Nor do I. So, I will make a motion to pass resolution 2026-11, a resolution to reszone the property known as Timber Ranch Subdivision tract D from Urban Residential to Timber Ranch Planned Unit Development. Seconded. To a vote. I resolution 2026-11 passes. Thank you, Ann. Thanks for the hard work on that.

Item number four, discussion and consideration of file 25-39, Timber Ranch Planned Unit Development, PUD, Subdivision Final Plat, again led by Ann Snider.

Thank you. So, um I just wanted to remind the board of the process um that the land development code requires for final plat. Um this doesn't go before the planning commission and we don't have a public hearing um sketch and preliminary did. So at this point in the process, we are um making sure that the final plat um is compliant with the preliminary plan and preliminary plat and any conditions of approval. Um we also ensure that all of the engineering review is complete, that the legal documents have been reviewed and accepted by uh the county attorney's office. Um we have final uh covenants and restrictions. We've um reviewed the deed restriction that will be um applied to the 10 dedicated units for workforce housing. We ensure that the um the developer chose to make a fee in lie of school land dedication to meet a statutory obligation. So that payment has been received by the school district in the amount of um 92,000 a little over $900 um which certainly helped with um the renovation that's happening. Um, and so those things have been adequately addressed at this point with the exception of some very minor um engineering items uh based on the final drainage report, but they are very minimal. And actually, the developer has already submitted their approved or excuse me, their re revised um civil plans in response to those um drainage revisions. So, those are already in review with the um with engineering. And so, I was just going to

briefly go through the conditions of approval. Um the first was the the requirement to work together with the housing authority in reference to the deed restriction and um the regional housing authority was able to bring forward a standardized master deed uh restriction that um they will help manage and make sure that the workforce guidelines are administered um with households earning up to 140% AMI. Um the next was something that was addressed at the major subdivision Colorado Geological Survey um agreed that any um site investigation as to um any impacts underground hazards could be optional um based on any really lack of evidence that they thought that there was any um significant impact to the area. Um we already discussed the cash and loo has been received. It was paid both at the time of major subdivision and now at planned unit development. Um planned unit development obviously was um considerably higher cash and loo. Um we will be working directly with the developer to make sure that all environmental site controls are in place um consistent with uh CBPHE as far as erosion control. Um so silk fences, straw waddles, things like that. So we'll make sure that all of those are in place as construction occurs. We'll do those inspection. Um the county engineers list uh from the preliminary plans have been addressed and we only have those final drainage items that are in review right now. the applicant or the developer incorporated into their covenants uh best practices that were given to them by the Colorado Parks and and Wildlife um as far as wildlife habitat and ensuring that they have best practices

by the residents. They are will be working um the engineering of the crosswalks is complete and they will be working with public works um parks and wreck and CPD to ensure that the pedestrian crosswalks are complete. So we'll make sure those are all being um they're part of the subdivision improvement agreement. The um sidewalk easement was part of the major subdivision. And then there really wasn't anything um extraordinary that was uh dedicated or um provided by the developer um during hearing. So that was not part of um any additional review. The subdivision improvement uh agreement has been reviewed by the county attorney's office. The developer is putting up a performance bond to ensure the public impro improvements. There is a warranty period that is required under the contract that I think the um developer would just like to talk to you all about a little bit. Um and I think other than that I think we've got pretty much everything covered and we are recommending conditional approval um based on the things that are needed in order to record the final plat. So those are listed in the staff reports, but that's just the final construction documents when those drainage swells are are uh properly uh placed on the um and the pond sizing and things are are properly done on the construction documents and those are ready for signature. the um we have received the um signed SIA by the the developer and ready for signature by the board that we have the form of the financial shy to

secure the performance guarantee. We get the notorized zoning control document and then just the final CCNRs. Uh those are all just the things that are report required to be reported with a final plat. So those are why they're basis of conditions of approval. I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. Nick is with us. Um and I know that he might like to

on the subdivision improvement agreement. I can kind of tee up that issue a little bit since I was the one that kind of initiated it. So your prior SIA only had a one-year warranty period which I thought was incredibly low. Uh, so I changed quite a few things on the SI that was one. Sort of restructuring the the security was another. Um, and I suggested going to a three-year warranty period. Uh, you probably have a better sense of that as a contractor than anybody in terms of the warranty and public improvements. Uh, Nick wanted to go to two. Uh, I agreed to just let you guys decide. You know, I I did note that a lot of counties use two. Uh some use three. I wasn't able to find any used one. So

So to be clear, this warranties any public improvements, sidewalks, sewer lines, electric lines, the streets, any streets so one year after they're accepted by the county or you know if it's sanitation or something need to be accepted by them. Well, and the SI comes in front of us still, right? Like SI is in front of you right now. Oh, it's right now. Okay. Yeah. Great. We're not approving that separately. This is all part of my whole thing. Okay. Nick, would you like to weigh in on that since that affects your project?

Yeah. Hey guys, um, thanks for the time. Um, this isn't really a a die on the hill type of type of term for me. Um, it it was more so just kind of looking around at precedent and what everybody else is doing. You know, in in conversations I've had with, you know, our our engineer. Essentially, if you're going to have any issues with these things, you're going to get them in the first year during the first winter. Once you get through that, uh, the chances drop precipitously. Um, I I I think Shaffy County is at two years. Eagle County is two years. Uh, Leadville Sanitation's two years. Parkville Public Works. Everybody's pretty much at two years. So, I I I told Matt, I mean, we're we're pretty easy going as you guys know. And, um, you know, we could we we'll double the precedent compared to other recent subdivisions like uh Westwoods and and Angel View. Uh, but I just thought, you know, three years was was a little strong. uh we we hope to be transitioning into uh phase two at that point in time and uh if the market stays where it's at, you know, we'll we'll need every dollar we can get uh to to keep everything moving along. Um I I'll I didn't get a chance earlier to comment on the new wildfire standards, but I'll throw that in right now just a quick anecdote. Um, I've already kind of looked into my costs in in terms of modular construction and I'm looking at about seven to eight bucks a foot to to comply with those standards. And that's already with roofs that that already meet the standards. That's just strictly the tempered glass and um switching to Hardy sighting rather than LP um sophets uh venting all that stuff. So, um, but anyway, uh, yeah, happy I wanted to make myself available, answer any other questions you guys have about Timber Ranch. We're, uh, looking forward to

getting underway here, uh, next month. We've got a few more hurdles to get over, but, uh, everything's tracking pretty well. Great, Nick. We wish you luck your project. We could have used that warranty on at least one project I know of that had a big old dip in a sewer line and it's been an ongoing issue for years and years. I think it was one of Jack's project. Is that your project? We never attached to a sewer. Oh, okay. It wasn't could have been us. just kidding.

The only I see both sides of the the two or three year aspect there, you know, like you said, we could have used a better one on existing things. I also, you know, with with regards to how wildly fluctuating our seasons have been with, you know, like the with regards to what he said about you're going to know in the first year if something's going to work out or not and if it's going to fail during the winter time. Well, our winters are so different anymore. You know, one season's going to be piled up snow over your head. The next one's not going to have the snow, but it will have the cold. and then the other one's going to feel like mud season or summer all winter long like we just had. So, you know, but at the same time, you know, how many more things are we going to keep piling on to new home building to make it just completely unaffordable for, you know, I'd be okay either going with that 2-year or splitting the difference and doing a 30month just for the sake of argument. you know, I don't know if that's even an option, but

two years gives us two winters to get through. And is it right that there's a a monetary value attached to that bond? So, after the after the two years, he would get the the bond money back and be able to put that into his next project. Is that right? There is a warranty that um that we hold. Yeah. during that time. Yeah. But percentages of security gets sold during the warranty period. I can't remember if it's 10 or 25%. Elsa, I don't care. Okay. Two is

I like the recommendation of our county attorney. Two years or recommended, but again, I think two is a good compromise. That's what the neighboring counties are doing as well. It gets us through two winners, three owners. If that ever comes back to bite us in the rear end, can we up that to three years on future projects? Yeah. And if that's all right with you, you know, we want to

You got a lot of hurdles. We don't want to put any more in front of you. Uh, I appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Um, Matt, do I have to read all of the conditions when I make a motion for conditional approval? Yeah, I think we should probably get them in the record somehow because I'm not sure. And then the um adjustment to the SIA. Should I just read it in that? So, the SIA that was presented to you has two years in it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Thank you.

Okay. I move to conditionally approve file 2603, Timber Ranch PUB final plaque as a a resubdivision of tract B of the Timber Ranch subdivision containing 16.52 acres located west of the city of Leville with the following conditions. A prior to the rec recordation of the Timber Ranch PUB final PL pl the following items shall be provided in conjunction with the miler certified by the owner and lender. One, the final public improvement drawings contained a signature block for the board consistent with and CPD review. Two, the subdivision improvement agreement SIA as reviewed by the county attorney and approved by the board of develop and the developer. Three, the form of the final shity to secure the performance guarantee pursuant to the timber ranch SIA for phase one public improvements. Four, the notorized zoning control document as approved by the board and reviewed by CPD. Five, the Timber Ranch PUD covenants controls and restrictions or CCRs. and further find as conditioned section 3.15.9 3.15.59 approval criteria has been met.

Wow. I will second that to a vote. Hi. Hi. Hi. Okay.

Thank you all for coming. That concludes our meeting on March 30th at 5:07 p.m. Thank you, staff. Thank you. You guys rock. Thank you uh for the hard work. Thanks for coming. Jack, Cindy, always a pleasure.