Planning and Zoning/ Board of Adjustments/ Historical Preservation - Regular Meeting

All right. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. This is the planning zoning board meeting. Today is 4:14 2026 at 6 o'clock. Um we're going to do the invocation. Everyone can stand follow by the pledge.

Heavenly Father, we thank and praise you for this day. We come before you God thanking you for all your many wonderful blessings. And Father, as we take this time to do business for your people, we ask, oh God, that you give us wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Help everything be done decently and in order. Lord, bless each and every home representing here, all our first responders and our community. We thank you for your love, your grace. Thank you for your son that died on the cross that we might have a right to the tree of life. Ask that you bless this meeting as never before. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. To the flag

of the United States of America and to the republic for its one nation, indivisibley and justice for all. I will call roll please. Miss McCall here. Miss Wilson here. Miss Douglas. Miss Johnson here. Miss Jones here. Mr. Carushi here. Mr. Leic. All right. Okay.

And Mr. Chair, if the record could reflect that the meeting is being chaired by Scott Thomasson, our growth management director for purposes of uh electing a temporary chair for tonight's meeting. Correct. I was going to get to that. Okay. Yes. I'm also the Oh, there we go. Well, and look at that, man. Here we go. I'm the LR administrator, but we have a a uh late entry into the meeting, our chair, so I will gladly step aside. Oh, no.

Mr. Mr. Angelo. Mr. Angelo.

He just did. Next thing is

speak. Good evening everybody. Good evening. Good evening. All right. Um, so we've done the roll call. Now we can add me. Yes. Okay. And um okay, so minutes um is I assume everybody's had a chance to review the minutes. Okay. Um and I'm a little move to approve. Move to approve. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Second.

Second. All right. Um show of hands. Okay. Um and Somebody tell me what's next. Um, all right. So, we have no old business apparently. And no, I'm on the wrong one. Sorry, my bad. We still have no old mis business. So, new business. Tonight, we have before us two matters that must be considered and voted on by the planning and zoning board in a quasi judicial manner. Uh, Madam Chair, as well as

th those are the next two after the first matter. as well as PZLPAC26-01 a resolution of the planning and zoning board of the city of Lake City, Florida serving also as a local planning agency of the city of Lake City, Florida relating to the reviewing of the city of Lake City Community Redevelopment Plan recommending to the community redevelopment agency of the city of Lake City, Florida. approval of the proposed modification of the city of Lake City Community Redevelopment Plan, reappealing all resolutions in conflict, providing an effective date. Um, do we have a presentation?

Okay. uh turn the meeting over to Eric and Julia from Inspire. They're actually going to um present the CRA plan to us and um they've been helping us update our CR CRA plan. So, their goals tonight is they're going to present it and then we'll vote um as a recommendation to the CRA board and as far as approval. All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Hey, good evening, Madam Chair, members of the plan board. Uh, my name is Eric Bredfeld with Inspire, and we have a short um, mercifully short PowerPoint presentation uh, for you to just go over uh, the community redevelopment plan status and then sort of what we're asking the board for tonight. Um we've got we got underway with this project about a year ago and um there's basically been three of us in on the project team. Myself, Julia here, my colleague who's an urban planner and then one other urban planner uh Alex Kazella. Um, Inspire is a firm that's uh headquartered down in Orlando and we have offices in uh Tampa and Miami um and offices in other places in the southeast as well. We were hired by the city uh and the CRA to come up with a revised CRA plan and that's what we've been working on. So, why are we here? Um the the CRA um area which I'll show in a minute in a map is approximately 655 acres and it's an area that surrounds Lake Dodto. Um it was actually established the community redevelopment agency in 1981 uh followed up by a the first plan that was done for the area in 1989 and then there's been subsequent revisions to the plan over t over time. The most recently updated plan was done in 2011. Um so that's about what 15 years ago. Uh I think the the city staff and the management felt like the the plan needed a refresher and um so we basically did that by looking at some of the current

circumstances with existing data and then we also tried to provide a couple of forums for the community to engage on on the plan and what's going on in in in the area as well. Um so we've been working on this the past year. Um and um again we're trying to reconstitute the redevelopment plan based on community priorities and then also the data. So this is the the 655 acre area. Um let's see. We're sitting right here in city hall. And so over here to the east we're around Lake Dodto. Uh we had one of our um community uh meetings here at the Richardson Center back in October which was actually very well attended. We had about 40 or 50 people at that. Um but uh you can see that the the CRA boundaries kind of wrap around the downtown and then you know residential areas in and around the Richardson Community Center and you know east and in other areas as well. Um the importance of the plan is that uh CRA plans come with a financing mechanism called tax increment financing. And it basically is a mechanism that the CRA in Lake City has had available over a number of years since I believe the plan in 1989 was in effect. And that's basically money money that can be set aside based on taxable taxable value of property that can be utilized for various programmatic or projects in the CRA, but they have to be importantly they have to be mentioned

explicitly in the plan in terms of their funding. And so normally you want to keep the the menu of projects or programs that you have fairly flexible because you want to you want to be able to to spend the money on those projects. Um so that's the importance of the plan is really the finance mechanism that comes along on and the way to think about this is that when I say tax increment financing that mechanism doesn't mean that you have this area and then you impose new taxes. It's just you're capturing an increment in the value on properties over a period of time almost like you're sequestering it in that particular area and then and then those funds can just be used in that particular area for the schedule of projects or programs that you lay out in the plan. So that's what we've done in this plan. Um the approach that we used was this is um supposed to be you know looking at the data looking at the current data but it's also heavily driven by community input and in community engagement that we received. Um it should be created in a way that's adaptable and flexible in terms of the you know sort of some of the broad nature of the projects or programs that you have included so that if the community decides they want to allocate funds in the budget on a year-to-year basis that they have the wherewithal to do that. And uh importantly for us, this is the really the the big thing. We want to we want to hopefully see that the the plan and the projects and programs that are laid out in there are implemented over time. So we've in the plan you'll notice that at the at the rear there's an all the

projects and programs are laid out but we also have an implementation schedule shortterm medium-term and long-term which is designed to kind of identify when projects probably should be undertaken. Uh and we also c we also mentioned some of the partners partnering responsible parties that could take those things on because this really is about implementation. It's really one of the issues that we saw with the latest plan the 2011 because it was questionable over a period of time how much of that plan was actually being implemented. What we're here very specifically tonight for is um a provision in the statute because remember this is a a state um a program that's undertaken under the guidance of the state statutes particularly uh section uh chapter 163. Um and in the statutes it says very specifically that before the the redevelopment plan can move forward to the um CRA and then the the city commission for adoption, the local planning agency or the planning and zoning board here in Lake City has to make a determination that the this plan aligns with the city's comprehensive plan. So, that's really narrowly what we're we're we're here to try to um have you give us your input on. And now Julia's going to walk through a couple of other points on the plan and talk about alignment with the comprehensive plan.

Thank you. Hi everyone. I'm Julia Clark with Inspire. Um just going to quickly go over some of the comprehensive plan policies that are relevant to the plan. Um, I'll start with the vision statement from the plan. So, a connected, healthy, and resilient, historic, and distinctive, economically vibrant, inclusive, and equitable community redevelopment area is the the guiding vision. And so, the first comp plan policy that appears in the comprehensive plan and is particularly relevant is goal one. And this focuses on discouraging urban sprawl and driving development into areas that have agreements in place or existing service capacity to accommodate growth in an environmentally access acceptable manner. Uh and the location of higher density residential, highintensity commercial and heavy industrial uses shall be directed to areas adjacent to arterial or collector roads um identified in the map mentioned and where public facilities are available. So this is really focusing on driving development in the downtown and we stand by the fact that the plan helps to drive this forward. So now I'm going to um go kind of goal by goal. Um so in the plan we discuss a couple initiatives related to housing in the area. Um these are focused on supporting neighborhood sensitive infill. Um redeveloping and improving existing housing, expanding access to affordable and workforce housing, and improving housing quality and neighborhood stability overall. And so in the comprehensive plan, we have these goals on the left that support the the initiatives that I just mentioned. Um so goal one is about

discouraging urban sprawl. That's repeated from the last slide. And objective 1.7 focuses on identifying and redeveloping blighted areas. Um which is a core component of the the plan. Goal three focuses on providing safe, sanitary, and affordable housing for all income levels, including allocating land for affordable housing, requiring housing in areas with adequate infrastructure, and promoting and maintaining safe and sanitary housing stock. So the second goal in the CRA plan focuses on commercial corridors and in the plan we you know promote a corridor focused development pattern uh improvements to blighted commercial structures on these corridors and uh support for mixeduse development and neighborhoods serving commercial. And so in the comprehensive plan we have again discouraging urban sprawl um and concentrating commercial intensity along these collector roads, ensuring sufficient land for commercial uses and supporting neighborhood commercial. So sorry it sounds a bit repetitive but that's kind of the intention. Um the next goal is economic access and entrepreneurship. So in the CRA plan we talk about supporting small business growth uh public private partnerships and economic revitalization of distressed areas and in the comp plan we have engaging private and nonprofit sectors and economic initiatives and there's also a mixeduse future land use category um that focuses on expanding the economic base and supporting employment generating uses only two more. So, public spaces and connectivity. Um, in the CRA plan, we talk about enhancing walkability and bikeability on key routes. Um, creating

connected corridors and neighborhoods, and expanding public spaces and plazas. And in the comprehensive plan, there are policies related to requiring bicycle and pedestrian facilities on corridors, requiring street connectivity between commercial and residential areas, and encouraging access and interconnected sites in addition to ensuring access to recreation and open space for all users. Oh, and that's the last one. So, if you guys have any questions, um, let us know. Any board members have questions? I got a question for Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead,

Mr. Carluchi. Um, for Robert, um, it's long, 117 pages. I went through almost all of it. Does it align with the comp plan in every way? Is there have you been over it and made sure everything lines up? Yes. And we staff has been working closely with Inspire to make sure that not only does it align with the comp plan, but that the community is involved also. I I like it. Anybody else?

No. So, I just have a quick question. You mentioned um the ta the somehow the t I'm just trying to wrap my head around taxes are funding the is that the plan or the it taxes are funding the plan right? Okay. So is there an increase in taxes or no just a portion of the taxes that residents are already paying are funding the plan? Is that the deal? So the idea is that right now you have a piece of property and let's say it's worth like $100 and the CRA invests in the area. So maybe your property value goes up to $110. And so before you were paying $5 in property taxes, now you're paying $5.50 in property taxes. that 50 cents, that incremental value, the 50 cents goes to the CRA and the CRA can invest in a new project that's planting a tree or improving a sidewalk with only that increment.

Okay. So, your taxes are increasing because your property value is increasing. It's not because somebody's imposed an additional tax. Exactly. Gotcha. Anybody else? Okay, good. Thank you. So, um, discussion amongst the board, anybody comments? No. No. Okay. No. All right. Um, so are we voting? Do we do we need to vote on it? Yes. That's what I was about to ask. Robert, this is a vote. Yes, we would need a vote.

Okay. So, Madam Chair, the uh an appropriate motion would be to uh adopt or approve resolution PZLPAC 2601. Okay. Uh move to approve PZLPA C26-01. Second. Okay. Um Miss Do we need show of hands or roll call? Roll call. Okay. Miss McCullum? Yes. Miss Wilson? Yes. Miss Douglas, yes. Miss Johnson, yes. Miss Jones, yes. Mr. Carlo, yes. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay. And then, Mr. Martin, the next item is uh and Madam Chair, to uh to correct what I said earlier, if you'll flip to the top of the next page, that item uh of the agenda. Flip to the top next. That item is actually uh the applicant requested that that be postponed. So we really only have one matter for quasi judicial hearing and that's little Roman numeral 4. Okay. PZ RPA SPR 2602. Okay. So five is kaput.

Is is that correct Robert? So number three um which is Paradise RV Resort um that one had requested um to table it right before or right after I sent out all the advertising they um noticed us that they wanted to table that to the May P&Z meeting. Okay. That's why that one's still on there. And that's being done administratively at this point since it was done before the meeting. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, we still have four and five. Okay. And these two are quasi judicial or no? PZLPA SDR 2602.

Okay. Which would be the only one we would have tonight.

Okay. So, as PZL PA SPR 2602, a resolution of the planning and zoning board of the city of Lake City, Florida, approving an application for approval of a site plan for racetrack within the corporate limits of the city of Lake City, Florida, providing repealing all resolutions in conflict, and providing an effective date. Madam Chair, uh since this is quasi judicial before we move into the hearing, if I could run through the procedures, make sure we don't have any uh uh exparte communications creating a conflict, etc. Um as you all know, the purpose of tonight's procedure is to make sure a complete presentation of the request to the board is uh received prior to a vote. We'll proceed in the following order. First presentation from city, then the applicant, and then any party interveners, followed by public comment. uh and then cross-examination, any additional response if the chair deems it appropriate, followed by questions from the board, any final arguments from parties and uh interveners. I'll then advise the board as to law unnecessary findings and the board can deliberate and vote. Uh while the planning and zoning board welcomes comments from all persons with an interest in the proceeding fraud law requires the board's decision and quasi judicial actions be supported by competent substantial evidence presented to the board during the hearing on the application. Competent substantial evidence is evidence a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. There must be a factual basis in the record to support opinion testimony from both expert and non-expert witnesses. People presenting testimony may support their testimony by relying on factual information provided by city staff, the applicant or other factual information in the city staff report. This time I need to inquire of each member of the board individually if they've had any exparte communications regarding this item and if so to please uh disclose them uh starting at the end of the dis uh with Mr. Carluchi if you had any exparte communications.

No. Okay. And Miss Johnson? No. And Miss Jones? No. Um, Miss McCllum, no. Miss Wilson, no. And Chair Douglas, no.

Okay. Thank you. At this time, if each person who's here to speak on this particular uh site plan uh application could uh and is going to offer testimony could stand and take an oath. I know we've got Mr. uh uh Angelo from the city. Uh do we have anyone here on behalf of the applicant that's going to speak or present? Okay. Okay. Um, if you want to speak in public comment and have it considered as testimony, you would need to take an oath. Um, do you swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Everyone? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um, the chair has already read the uh resolution uh by title. So, at this time, Mr. Angela, if you could please uh introduce, summarize, and present staff analysis on uh resolution PZLPA SPR 2602. All right, Madame Chair and board, you have before you um a site plan review for racetrack. It's uh PZLPA SPR 26-02. Um this is for parcel number 02498-003 and 02498-0000 which currently has a future land use of um commercial and is within the commercial highway interchange district. Um the applicant is seeking a a site plan approval for an automotive self-service center. Um this site um will have two ingress egresses, one on Highway 90 and one on County Road um 252B. This is the current site plan. So here would be um County Road 252B and this would be Highway 90. You do have the fueling pumps out here for the gas and then um a few high- flow diesel pumps to the rear of it. And this is the picture of the aerial site plan. This is New Millennium Bank

right now that is currently there. That will be demolished and then the overall site plan would be built right there with this being highway 90 and this being county road 252B. Um staff comments um was the building department separate building permit for demolition site work building tanks and fuel uh systems and irrigation will be required. Still fencing is required prior to uh commencing any work. Um distribution collections utilities are on site um and they are requesting that they um get protected um because they are out along the highway 90 and kind of angling across the corner of the property. and at the school board um chimed in and said that there is some major con uh congestion concerns from them on the west um on the west side morning and afternoon traffic especially with the five tractor trailer um fuel pumps. The road will need to be widened um to address um flow issues to the west side elementary. Also, um, all entrances and exit points are on 252B, which will, um, cause more concern for the flow of traffic. And, um, I'm going to back up to site plan and kind of show some of the provisions that they are doing, and I'm sure the applicant will go over this a little bit more, too. Um, as you can see, there are going to be some turn lanes added in here, and they are going to, um, upgrade this intersection. There is an entrance here and an entrance here, but there is also an entrance here onto Highway 90. Um, SW River Water Management um there is an existing um ERP permit um that was issued in 2006. This activity will requ um will be required to generate a new environmental resource permit um for from their office. A pre-application meeting is encouraged. um county engineer um said the project

will require at a minimum a driveway permit from Columbia County um that is on um county road 252B. Um once a design is submitted, additional permits from Columbia County may be required. This comment is provided by the Columbia County engineer. Um staff comments, the project is consistent with the land development regulations and the comp plan. Um, the entrance on 252B will be uh permitted through the Cley County and the entrance on Highway 90 will be permitted through FDOT. Any questions? Thank you. Melo, are you moving your report into the record? Yes.

All right. Thank you. Uh, is there anyone here on behalf of the applicant?

Hello, my name is Beth Lee Trot. um the engineering record the civil engineer on the project. So through the um design and permitting process we have submitted to all agencies. So that includes Columbia County, Lake City, um Swany River Water Management District and FDOT. FDOT has approved the entrance. We're basically um using the same entrance that was already there and so they have approved those improvements and there's a turn lane that has been added there. um water management district um is essentially approved. So we've gone through all of that review process with them. We have u received the driveway permit from Columbia County for the county road and they are finishing their review of the turn lane improvements on the county road and then we're here for the city's approval of the site plan. So um I know there was I heard some questions on the on the traffic. So the traffic engineer worked with the county, the DOT and the city to evaluate the traffic concerns on the county road and the DOT road. And as part of the study, they did actual traffic counts for the um AM like school when and they did it when the school session was in. So, they did it for the AM hours of 7:00 to 9:00 a.m. and then from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. So, the improvements that were proposed for this and designed for this project being the turn lanes on the county road and then the turn lane on DOT encompassed all the traffic concerns dealing with the AM peak hours and the PM peak hours. So, that should alleviate concerns in that regard. So, so there are improvements planned to address those traffic concerns. So, I guess with that, I don't know if anybody has any questions, technical questions on the engineering or the site plan that I could answer.

We'll get to that in just a second. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you.

I didn't see anyone that looked like they were requesting party intervenor status. Uh, moving on to uh public comment. Uh, Mr. Zuber. Hi. Uh, I'm Jim Zuber. I'm a local resident. U live on Little Road in southern uh part of the county. I just wanted to address the fact that I think has always been a concern at that interchange with increased diesel truck traffic. And as a resident, I think we've done a great job of planning for high density down at Ellisville and some of the other northern exits. So I guess my biggest concern was and it might be addressed directly to the engineer is how much increased density of truck traffic is projected to how many how many vehicles a day are anticipated to support that on that operation. They obviously have enough islands or uh it looks like a substantial amount and somebody might argue that it's just the same traffic that's already going to be there. They're just going to choose to stop there for their gas. I work in the area and the traffic lights in that short zone by I75 are very challenged already with a high load of both lanes, three lanes, both directions and a lot of traffic coming and going between all the new development that's already currently there. So although I welcome the development, I'm very concerned about the increased truck traffic. So maybe the engineer could speak to how many vehicles a day they're anticipating um the increase being. Thank you. Anyone else from the public? Seeing none, is there any cross-examination by any of the parties? Seeing none, uh, questions from the board?

Yes. Anybody else have question? Mr. Car, go ahead. Um, haven't you guys been here before for the same site plan at the same area? Yes. What has changed from then till now? That was just for the reasoning. Yeah, I don't think it was a site plan. Oh, I know. I saw a site plan at that time. All presented then about what plan was to go through that. Still the same thing. Same thing. Okay, that's all I had.

Anybody else? No. Okay. I have a question. Yes. Go ahead. I guess my concern would be is how are they going to address the truck traffic and how is that going to work out especially with west side being there right and you know how morning traffic is for elementary schools so and a lot of kids walking in the back and forth so I think that a valid concern that needs to be addressed I guess so that's a question from the engineer maybe that's something you wish to address I I mean, I I can try to address it. I'm not the traffic engineer could be here.

But when they do traffic studies, when there's a new development, they have to address and look at what is the the current level of service and at least provide that or better. So, his study does incorporate, you know, looking at the traffic counts during the the school year when the school's in. So that's really important because a lot of times the school's not in, you're not really capturing what the true traffic count is, but it captures it when school is in. And based on his study, the recommendations were to I mean, there's a pretty pretty substantial uh redevelopment of the county road there as far as adding turn lanes and stacking, and that's to accommodate for projected truck traffic that that will come. Now, a lot of times with gas stations, you know, they're not necessarily a destination. A lot of times that people go to it's it's they call it, you know, bypass traffic. So, you know, you're driving down the road, you need gas, you ah I got to go get gas and you stop. Like a lot of times you don't get in your car and go get gas. So, a lot of that traffic is already traffic that is going, you know, through those routes. And so, what the what the traffic study does is evaluate what the level of service is. And to improve the level of service, they have had us design turn lanes. So there's turn lanes on the county road going in and out, which provides for stacking. So that's the stacking of the vehicles trying to get in and out of there. And there's a turn lane, a right turn lane in coming in from from the DOT, which again provides for the stacking of vehicles coming in. So that gets people off the road, so it's safer, but it's actually a little safer than what was going on with the bank. Where the bank that's there, people just turned in. There was no turn lane. So now there's dedicated turn lanes and that'll improve the safety in on both those roads and at that intersection. Thank you.

I know that

like turn turner lanes are one thing but what is the projected track uh traffic to you know like I understand from the study and so forth like that but through time it it there's a possibility that it can attract a substantial amount of of trucking. So yes, you know, he you know the engineer he got a snapshot of the present status during school hours like you say in peak hours and things of that nature, but does his study in there, you know, is can that be provided, you know, as to how much of projected trucking traffic?

Yes. Yes. And I'm trying to I'm not sure. I know we we submitted the traffic study to the county because it's the county's road

that we're we're doing work on and we submitted the traffic study to the DOT and and when they do those traffic studies, yes, they capture what is the current. So that's given a snapshot of today, but they always provide the study to to provide for future. So so there's and I'm sorry I don't know the exact like is it 2030 what they project the future growth to be. And that way you're you are accommodating for the future expectations of the development you're bringing. And so I know the traffic study was submitted to the county and it's been sub submitted to DOT because it's, you know, obviously it's their roads that they're concerned about. You know, is it increasing traffic beyond their level of service that they can approve. So like I say, DOT has approved the plans. We we have a little bit of a rightaway donation for a sidewalk that that they're going through right now. And then the county has approved the driveway permit. So from from those two agencies, you know, I I feel like they feel the traffic study has properly accommodated for the increased flow and and the design to address any concerns to keep that level of service acceptable.

Do we know now we can we you know I can obviously we can give the the city the traffic study. Do we know roughly how long is the turn lane on 252B? H I mean it's the and I'm sorry I don't have the dimensions are on the site plan but it's because you definitely can't have a short one because you're going to have additional problem. Can Robert can you pull back up that site plan? Yeah on here you might be able to see the because and then you're going to have U-turns involved, you know. Thank you.

Thanks Robert. pulls off. That's 252B over there. 252B.

Right. So this comes off comes in here and then this way there's another basically became a four lane section three section I'm sorry usually t is kind of 290 linear feet okay yeah and then you have your foot and so it's it's all similar I mean I d That's okay. It's okay.

Okay. Michael Mullen racetrack. Um, yes, it's 300 feet. We just scaled it off. So, it's 300 ft. Yeah. Actually, I have another question and it's probably not for the engineer because I think you guys were here before, right? Yes. For the uh annexation resoning. Yes. Correct. Okay. So, I thought I recalled you guys mentioning this was not going to be trucking. This was

It's not a truck. It's We're It's just for fueling. There's no There's no um amenities for truckers here. There. It's the fuel and go hit the highway, hit 75. It's not meant It doesn't have accommodations for truckers such as lounges, showers, things of that nature. And And it's not even Yeah. No truck parking, things of that nature. And it's even our our prototype. It's not even a travel center prototype. It's a um what we call an EFC. So, it's a smaller footprint. Um, so yes, it's meant for just uh the it's more to alleviate the front canopy because um sometimes you'll get those box trucks and they're you know taking up the front canopy. So, they would utilize that back canopy which would allow um you know less clutter out front.

So, it's not so much for semiis for smaller trucks, box trucks. Correct. Correct. Okay. It's diesel. Yeah. So, it's just a high flow diesel. Typically, for any diesel, it can it'll it'll take a while, but with those bigger trucks in the high flow, they can be in and out less than 10 minutes. Okay. Thank you. Anybody Anybody else? Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Are there any other questions? Sorry. Okay. Are there any other questions from the board? No other questions from the board. Okay. All right. So,

uh then uh are the parties waving uh final comments and closing remarks? Yes. Okay. Same with the applicant. Yes. Okay. Um the decision of the board should be based only on evidence presented by sworn witnesses. In addition, the board may make its decision after taking into consideration those matters listed in section 13.11.3 of the city's land development regulations. At this time, the board may discuss the application, testimony, and any findings of fact upon which it wishes to base its decision and vote on the proposed resolution following an appropriate motion and second. Thank you, Madam Chair. So, do we have any discussion amongst the board members? Any comments?

No. Okay. Do we have a motion to either approve or deny? Move to approve PZLPA SPR26-02. Second. Okay. Roll call. McCullum. Yes. Miss Wilson? Yes. Miss Douglas? Yes. Miss Johnson? Yes. Miss Jones? Yes. Mr. Yes. Okay. Congratulations.

Okay. Um, yes. So, we have there's nothing else on the quasi judicial. Is that So, that's the only quasi judicial. So, the last one is uh just a legislative matter. Okay. So that is the LDR PZ LPA LDR2601. Is that correct? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Okay.

Would you like me to read it by title only? Yeah, I'm okay. Lost my place in the p in the script. Uh board members, you have before you PZLPALDDR2601, a resolution of the planning and zoning board of the city of Lake City, Florida, serving also as the local planning agency of the city of Lake City, Florida, recommending to the city council of the city of Lake City, Florida, approval of an amendment to the text of the land development regulations by amending section 10.11 entitled historic sites and structures preservation regulations. Approval of changes to landmarks and landmark sites by deleting section 10.11.1 through 10.11.6 six and reing remaining sections.

All right, madame chair and board, um before you tonight you have PZLPA LDR2601. Um the intent behind this um text amendment is to um kind of give more of a um a carrot versus regulation um incentive to the uh historic. And so to encourage more redevelopment, kind of line up with a CRA plan, um the mayor and the council has kind of directed us to um kind of roll some of the regulations back and present more of a carrot versus um a you know enforcement and it um the historic board still will be um involved with uh the development in the historic areas and but um a little more an advisory role and and kind to help the community uh redevelop and stay more historic and um and that way we can kind of go that direction and that was the intent behind the um text amendment.

Questions? Uh, Madame Chair, so this is before the planning and zoning board based on a request uh from the mayor uh that uh the board take a look at this and uh consider effectively what the text amendment would do is uh is roll the regulations back to roughly their 2019 state. uh which was a uh a framework that was geared more toward voluntary compliance uh and the uh historic preservation agency working in a a counseling role with people who owned historic properties uh to assist them in making decisions that uh preserve the properties uh rather than using a regulatory structure like we currently have that that forced and mandated certain levels of compliance. Uh the uh the feeling uh is that uh with the uh revisions uh to the CRA plan uh and trying to breathe life back into the CRA which is almost an overlay of the two uh historic areas of the city. uh that that that combined with uh a a renewed emphasis uh of the Historic Preservation Agency on helping homeowners and business owners uh comply will actually yield more positive results than using a regulatory framework that forces people to comply with uh historic preservation regulations. Uh so uh that that's the reason it's before the board is to move from less of a regulatory structure uh and and more to a a voluntary compliance with uh with counseling and other incentives from the CRA and the Historic Preservation Agency.

Questions from the board? Yes. Anybody have questions? So why were the rules changed in 2019? because people weren't voluntarily doing it like they were supposed to. I can't answer that. I don't know why it was changed. It was changed. I wasn't here.

I in my experience, voluntary does usually not lead to cooperation. I mean, if if you want your house and you have your house and you want it to be a certain way and there's no regulations, I'm going to do my house the way I want it to be, not how the city tells me to do it, you know, or asks me to do it. I I think Madam Chair um if I may the another element of this was there was concern that uh the the regulatory structure was imposed uh without uh giving homeowners an opportunity for a uh hearing to be heard on whether they wanted those regulations uh imposed upon them or not. Uh the legal framework usually is that either a city adopts a regulatory framework uh imposes it and then creates a hearing process for people to apply to opt out if they want to and for uh a hearing officer or someone to give them a fair hearing on whether the regulations should be applied to them or not. Or alternatively, there's an opt-in process where you adopt the framework and allow people who have a uh an a purpose in doing so, whatever it opt into the enhanced regulatory structure, maybe because it enhances their uh property values or something like that by opting in. But the lack of any kind of hearing structure uh to allow a property owner uh to to to be heard as to whether those regulations should be applied to them or not differently from all other homeowners in the city who don't have historic properties was uh a major concern and it was a major oversight when the regulatory structure was adopted in 2019.

So 10.11.1 through 10.11.6 Six essentially eliminates the historic preservation aspect of having an historic district because it eliminates the board's uh oversight on uh design guidelines, historic design guidelines, and essentially just eliminates the board. So my I'm not happy. Um, not that it matters apparently because since this is a request from the mayor, do we even have a choice? And if if not, then why do we have an historic preservation agency? I live in the historic district and that's why I feel like this is wrong. Um, I, you know, am working on my house, working hard to get it to the point where it complies with historic preservation guidelines, and I don't want somebody with a a, you know, house next door to me that's painted purple with pink polka dots. You know what I'm saying? It's not it's not historic. I don't want somebody to I I can't even think of, you know, all the crazy things that could happen within the historic district without these guidelines. I I I am sorry, Mayor Walker, but I am against this. Um, so that's just Is this something we are to vote on?

Yes. So, you have a resolution before you. The resolution is drafted in a manner to recommend these changes to the city council. If it fails, uh, then we would probably return at the next meeting with a, uh, resolution that just is worded differently that you don't make the recommendation. Uh, regardless, the changes would be presented to the city council with your recommendation one way or the other, and they could take it up at the city council level and decide whether they want to affect the change or not.

I mean, I I would be more inclined to approve this if it were I I I think redevelopment kind of applies more to commercial aspect than residential. I would be more inclined to um be aligned with this if it were only applied to commercial district rather than the residential historic district.

So, some of the changes that they're doing to the CRA plan, um a lot of the focus in the past was around the like around the lake and around the his um the commercial corridors. Um, so the city council and the CRA board are currently working on facade grants and that to be able to issue to anybody within the CRA area. Uh, they're going to have a residential component to that and a commercial component to that. Um, those are grants that'll be available to anybody that's in not only just the historic district, but also in the CRA area to encourage um, redevelopment and um, of both, like I said, both of residential and commercial properties. So, the city council did recognize that there's a lot of citizens that need help renovating their homes too to increase the value of the of the U neighborhoods.

Anybody else have comments or thoughts, questions? So, so like with with me basically owning within the historical district as well property, do do I Yes. Okay. We will all Yes, we'll own. the board will vote. Yeah. Okay. So, what they're um really wanting to do is to help the people obtain what they need to improve their properties is what I'm hearing.

Right. Yeah. A lot of people that come into the historic district, they're buying into the historic because they want to be in the historic district and they're going to need guidance as far as how to make their home historic. So, those are applications that we could bring in front of the um the historic preservation agency that the board can then help guide them of what would be historic and and give them that guidance that they need. You know, is a you know, a 10 roof that's going up, is that going to be historic or not be historic and um the color of the buildings? they can give them suggestions and um you know which way they want to go and um and that's where the guiding you know as staff we'll still guide them just like we always have been and that but the historic board we would encourage them to come in from the board to get guidance from the board also

but 10.11.1 through 10.11.6 six eliminates those guidelines. Those the guidelines for historic preservation are within those those sections. So that doesn't make any sense to me.

So it it eliminates the requirement that you comply with the guidelines. It doesn't eliminate the guidelines in and of themselves. uh it it's eliminating the the requirement um that someone must shall adhere to them. I mean there's anecdotal evidence of applicants that were deferring or uh or or not making certain repairs at all to historic structures because complying with the historic guidelines was cost prohibitive. So rather than put on any new roof, they did not put on a roof at all, for example, because they could afford to put on a shingle roof. They couldn't afford to put on a metal roof that complied with the guidelines. So the house was actually deteriorating

from intrusion of the elements because they could not comply. So, and that's an example I've I've heard mentioned at at the council level.

Uh that that's an a concern. Uh and so uh it it's that mandate not necessarily and and it doesn't do away with the historic preservation agency. The agency was originally intended to work with and cooperate with homeowners to help them comply rather than enforcing a regulatory structure upon them that required them to comply if they did anything. you can't make them do something, but if they choose to do something, they must comply. So, there were people opting to not do anything at all. Um, one of the things that staff is currently working on um right now is design standards not just for the historic area, but also for the whole city, all our corridors, commercial areas, residential areas. So, some of those for like the historic area. One of the big features of the historic area is that, you know, especially the the commercial corridor is that the buildings are located to the um closer to the road with the parking to the rear. You know, those are certain types of design standards that we're looking to um eventually, you know, bring in front of the board and see about having those adopted and um but those will be a widespread throughout the whole city. So, it'll be based by zoning district, but then there also will be a downtown um historic area too that will have its own design standards um that we'll um bring in front of the board, too. So, those are some things that we're working on to try to keep the you know, district consistent to what it is and with the character of the neighborhood.

Madam Chair, I've got another question for Mr. Martin. So, from what I'm hearing from you, no matter whether we like this or not, it it opens up legal issues and potential lawsuits against the city because people are being forced to do stuff they don't want to do. Is that what what I was hearing from you?

Not in so many words, but the the net effect of what you're saying is true. Uh the the the the issue is one where uh people's property rights were affected because and and it comes under the equal protection clause of the constitution as well where the regulatory structure was imposed upon them without giving them a hearing on whether it should be or not. and and there's pretty solid Supreme Court case law on there to that effect. Uh that that you can't uh unilaterally impose a set of restrictions on one person but not another uh without giving them a hearing uh as to whether they should be imposed or not. And and that's a very broad brush summary, but that's the net effect of it. I know we don't like it, but I feel like we don't really have a choice at this point.

I I feel like we don't really have a choice, but I would be more inclined to um to support this if before we just go ahead and delete these sections that instead we go ahead and rework rework these sections rather than just deleting them al together. Question. Does that make sense? Yes. instead of deleting like she was saying, is there a way that it could be revised? And if so, who would be responsible for the revising or the revisions of it? The resolution, you mean or the or the sections in the in the LDR? The section that

in the LDR looking to delete. So, uh, what is it that you would want to see and what is it that you don't want to see, I guess, is maybe the way to to phrase it. Definitely. So, I think I think it would be better if yes, I understand that we don't want to force people into compliance.

Um, however, I I think that the guidelines need to remain and I think we don't need to delete these sections. is I think we just need to and maybe I don't know maybe this is a workshop thing between city council and PNZ I don't know but I I think um just revising these sections rather than just deleting them I think um while we don't want to force anyone into compliance I think we should be able to um gently suggest that these are the things they should be doing rather than, you know, like I said, paint your house purple with pink polka dots or who knows what else.

Is this an issue that we could table and come back to or no? We need a solid answer tonight. Uh the answer to the question is yes. Okay, maybe we should do that. Yeah, maybe uh we all need to re maybe possibly come up with some ideas for revising these sections rather than deleting them. I feel like what you're trying to say is instead of deleting the whole thing, just say these are the recommended guidelines and just remove the language that says you have to do it this way, you know? Yeah, right.

Instead of just getting rid of the guidelines and there's no guidelines. If staff were to take a look at this and to come back and keep the general framework, but convert that framework from one of of mandatory compliance to one of suggested compliance and uh and an application for feedback that's non-binding from this board. Yes, I think that would be better. Be better. I think that would be much better. Let us take another stab at it and we'll come back. Does that work for you, Mr. Angela? That works for me. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. You're welcome. Is there a motion to table this until a future date when we've have another version prepared? Yes. Motion to table. Second. Yeah. And there would need to be a vote on the motion, Madam Chair.

Okay. Show of hands or do we need roll call? Uh, you can do it by show of hands. Show of hands to table. Okay. All right. There we go. Consider it tabled. All right. Okay. Um, so we have no other business, correct? No other new business. Do we have any workshop items? No, madam chair. No. All right. Move to adjourn. Second.

All right. Okay. All right. We need to take a break for a minute. Okay. Okay. So, board of adjustment meeting. Same roll call. All right. Miss McCullum here. Miss Wilson here. Miss Douglas? Yes. Miss Johnson? Here. Miss Jones? Here. Mr. Carlo.

Yes. Here. All right. Okay. I assume everybody's had a chance to review meetings that were distributed digitally. Do we have any additions or comments or anything changes? No. Go ahead. Move to approve minutes. Second. Show of hands. Second. Okay. We have no old business before the board. We have no new business before the board. Do we have any workshop items? No, ma'am. Nope. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Do we need show of hands just in case? All right. Meeting adjourned.

All right. to the hotly historic preservation agency meeting called to order. Roll call should remain the same. Any any changes or additions to the meetings? Everybody's had a chance to review hopefully. Yes. Okay. No old business before the board. No new business before the board. Move to approve minutes.

Oh, thank you. Second show of hands. All right. So, we still have no new business or old business. We do have an administratively approved item, Mr. Angelo. All right, Madam Chair and board. Um, before you tonight, you have COA26-03. This is a administrative approved item um for 345 Southeast Hernando A and that they are replacing the existing doors. Um the doors will be more consistent um with the windows and all doors will be consistent with each other and that right now if you look at the building the doors are not consistent with each other. It looks like they were replaced at one time. So we do not believe that they were historic in the in the beginning anyways. So, what they're going back to is going to look a little more consistent with the rest of the home.

Okay. Right. Thank you. Um, do we What building is this? What building is that? Uh, it's Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, so that's not We don't need to vote on that, right? It's done. No, it's done deal. Yep. Okay. Do we have any workshop items? No. No, ma'am. All right. Move to adjourn. Second.