Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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All right. Welcome everybody. I am going to call the June 10th, 2026 Lacey planning commission meeting to order. Uh, we do have a quorum tonight. Uh, we've got, and here's another member coming. We do have three members that are absent and excused. Judy, would you please read the land acknowledgement?

We, the city of Lacey are on the ancestral land of the tribal people of the treaty of medicine Creek. including the Nisqually Indian Tribe and Squaxin Island Tribe. We acknowledge and remember those tribal people not recognized today who are absorbed or relocated into other tribes for survival. We recognize the ancestors and their descendants who are still here. We recognize and respect the tribal people of the Treaty of Medicine Creek as the traditional stewards of this land since time immemorial and their role today in taking care of these lands in perpetuity. We recognize and have the responsibility to call attention to the histories of dispossession, forced removal, and abridged treaty rights that allowed our nation, state, and city to develop as they have today. We recommend that community members read the Medicine Creek Treaty of 1854.

Thank you. Okay, I'll be looking for a motion on tonight's agenda.

I move that we approve the agenda. Second.

That was Judy. All right, it's been moved and seconded. All in favor? And then a motion on May 27 minutes.

Move to approve the May 27 minutes.

That was Spencer and then Allen. All right, it's been moved and seconded to approve the May 27 minutes. All in favor? Opposed? Awesome. And I actually understand I've got a benchmark to me tonight because Robert did the meeting at 22 minutes. In the shortest one of all time.

Double your compensation. And welcome, Spencer.

Okay. Public comment tonight. I don't think we have anybody signed up. Oh, we do.

Do you want me to grab it or?

It's okay. You just come up to the podium.

Thank you.

And then please keep your comments to three minutes.

Got it.

Nothing inflammatory or, you know, offensive, you know.

I'm so happy.

And so state your name and where you live and then have at it.

Yeah. Let me reset because I don't want to use up my time. Good evening. My name is Barbara Mock. For the record, I live at 2748 Arrow Route Route, Southeast Olympia, Washington. I'm a resident of the Ovation and Oak Tree 55 plus community, which lies in the unincorporated area of Thurston County. And it also is within the Lacey urban growth area. I'm also a member of the Ovation Cycling Club. I have two purposes for coming tonight. One is concerning the subject to your agenda, the transportation improvement plan. And the other is the future extension of Karen Frazier Woodland Trail under the bucket of transportation. As a new resident of this community, I have much to learn. So thank you to planning manager Ryan, who quickly provided me with the information that I was looking for and the links I needed to the transportation element. First, I'm going to commend the staff, the consultants, the commission, and the city council for the work you've been doing for the last couple of years. I appreciated the time and effort that goes into preparing all the mandated growth management plans, studies, and documents. I'm an outsider to your process, but I found the information on your website accessible, visually appealing, and I especially appreciated the story map associated with the transportation element. The text and the GIS was really useful to me because I'm not from here. To all the contributors, I hope you're proud of the work you did. I'm grateful for the effort that was made, and I believe it will pay dividends in the future. as you implement your plan. My other reason for coming is to express my gratitude to anyone and everyone who helped set aside funding for a study of the Karen Fraser Woodland Trail. I have three main reasons why that trail is important to me as a new resident. First, we moved here to be closer to our grandchildren and they live in Tumwater. So we love to ride bikes together and my dream would be to be able to go from my house to East Olympia without going on the busy roads. Second, I think it's an excellent investment to connect all the new development that is surrounding me, especially to the Macalester Park area, to create safer ways to travel. And third, I know that many of my neighbors would feel safer and not feel the need to load their bikes on their racks and drive to parking lots in order to get to the trailheads. As we get older, our physical ability diminishes and our mobility decreases and our reaction time isn't as quick. So many of our club members are not comfortable riding on narrow roads and bike lanes to get to your downtown. So we typically drive one to five miles when we could ride. So in conclusion, I hope to begin a conversation that results in partnership. The Ovation Bike Club stands ready to help wherever we can to get the Cairn Fraser Woodland Extension completed. So please let us know we can do to help. Thanks so much for giving me the chance to give testimony. Thank you. And I got 10 seconds. Good job. Our bike club did the competition. And our bike club of 40 old people rode 9,300 miles.

That is awesome.

In a month. Three people did over 1,000. So we're committed to this trail. Thank you. Thank you.

OK. Are you here for comment? No, I'm here to observe. Thank you. Awesome. the commission members have reports. Okay. So department report.

Yeah, a couple of brief things tonight. So the first, I just wanted to call your attention to the schedule that we always include at the back of your packet. I'll just point out that next meeting has been canceled June 24th. So the next regular planning commission meeting will be on Wednesday, July 8th. As always, please let us know if you're not going to be able to attend tonight. we understand this time of year it's difficult to be able to attend every meeting for sure given schedules and invocations and those kinds of things and then the other thing i wanted to mention was uh coming up just under two weeks so on tuesday june 23rd will be a city council work session at the work session my understanding is the only item on the agenda will be an update from our department specifically around updates on progress we've been making on the 2026 docket. So those are would include all those things that have come through the Planning Commission. So if you're able to attend, great. If you want to pick it up on YouTube or on Zoom or something like that to hear the council's discussion. They're going to be going over, let's see, the middle housing and accessory dwelling unit amendments. They will be going through the outreach plan for the mobile and manufactured home parts preservation project, and then also the amendments related to parking, daycare centers, and conversion of existing buildings. Also, we'll be highlighting some of the proposed outreach on the tree regulation issues as well. So it's a good opportunity. It'll be interesting to see what the council has to say about those things, granted most of them TAB, Mark McIntyre:" outside of the tree issue and the manufacturer home park issued are mandated requirements in the first place, so there's not much leeway that they have, but it will be the Community economic development show that night so feel free to attend or tune in if at all possible.

TAB, Mark McIntyre:" Would you send an email to all of us.

I will include a reminder. So yeah, I think that that's about sums it up. I think we'll have that work session June 23rd. Our expectation is probably by the end of July to have those amendments adopted, many of which we are already preempted under state law. So I just wanted to thank the Planning Commission for all their work for the first half of this year to get us to that point. We still have more work to do, but it's always good to highlight the work of not only the staff but what the planning commission's been doing for the first half of this year so you do have an opportunity it'd be great i'll definitely send you an email with more information perfect that's it that's it awesome so i'm going to close the regular meeting we're going to open a public hearing

for the 2027 to 2032 secure transportation improvement plan. And our rock star tonight is Martin Hoppe.

I don't think so. You told me last year that I've been doing it way too long, so I should let somebody else do it. Chris Stuhlberg's your man. Awesome. Okay.

Okay.

So good evening, Commissioners. So we're requesting approval of the 2027 Six-Year Transportation Improvement Program, or TIP. This program is a state and federal requirement. We're required to update it annually. It contains a list of 14 projects that we plan to start in the next six years. The main purpose of the TIP is to track state and federal grants and regionally significant projects. And it's also foundation for our traffic mitigation list. All the projects on the TIP have to be consistent with our transportation comprehensive plan. The only modification that we're making to the TIP this year is adjusting the cost for the college street corridor phase three. And that's to align with grants that we've applied for. Yeah.

So remind us where phase three is on college street.

So yeah, phase three is from Lacey Boulevard to about 18th Avenue where we left off with the college and 22nd roundabout project.

When you say adjusting the budget to be more in alignment with grants, is that going down? Is that going up? How does that put us in terms of funding this project and getting it off the ground?

It's going up slightly to... Let me jump in on this one.

This is new grants that we just applied for. You have to be on the tip in order to obligate the funding. And if you're already on the tip when the grants are submitted, if you're within 10%, you save two months time. That's really what we're shooting for. We expect to get some extra money. It's almost guaranteed under the TRPC cycle because the city has elected to fund their rural community support program. So we're just adding that money to the project right now. All the other money have already been obligated. So that has to be removed from the list.

So I just want to remind the planning commission. So the purpose tonight is to hold a public hearing. So we'll open it up and close it or open it, take testimony and close it. After which then maybe we could ask some more questions that at that point, the planning commission has requested to approve a motion to recommend approval of this to the city council. So this city council, you know, the next step for this will be to go to the city council for, for review and approval.

public wanting to give testimony. So with that, I'm going to close the public hearing, reopen the regular meeting, and invite commission members to comment on the six-year tip.

The only other question I have is if the grant is received, when do we anticipate that project could start?

Well, the grant round that we're shooting for right now, along with the Woodland Trail extension that we just applied for, that money isn't going to be available until 2030 to 2032.

Okay, so at this point, what we're looking for is a motion from commission members to either recommend adoption of this plan to the city council or recommend that they do not adopt this.

Well, I would move that we approve the transportation improvement plan with the modifications as presented tonight to the City Council. I second.

That was Alan. All right. It's been moved and seconded to approve or to recommend to the City Council they approve the six-year transportation plan. Any more discussion?

I'll Add one thing as a resident of College Street. I'm very excited about this is a long time coming. I know it's been in the works for literally decades. And it will probably take decades more to get the entire road brought up to modern standards. And it is long overdue. And I'm very excited to see those improvements. Even though they will cause temporary pains for residents, it will be a long term boon to the community.

Oh, we've been talking about this for so long.

Yes, we have. But we do have for college phase four, which is from 22nd to 37th, we have a role plot concept drawn up now. And we'll probably be issuing that to the public in the next month or two. Nice.

That's good. It's good to see it finally get rolling. Yeah. All right. Motion on the floor. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Awesome. And I want to take a moment here because I have a podium and a microphone. Martin, it has been a sheer pleasure to work with you. You and I have known each other far longer than our tenure on the city here. But you're professional. You always have the public in mind. and you have a little bit of a wicked sense of humor, and it has just been a sheer pleasure.

Thank you. Thank you. And I just moved into Ovation last year also. So I thought that was a perfect place to retire. That's awesome.

Awesome.

Yeah, so I don't know how many of you might come late or whatever. Martin has worked for the city now for 39 years? 39 years. And his last day in the office is coming out next week. So he's retiring after 39 years with the city.

Congratulations.

Yes. Congrats.

Have you selected a replacement yet?

Has a replacement been selected yet? No. Rick barely let them advertise before I left.

Well, thank you, Martin, for your service to the city. No, it's been fun. And It was a joy to meet you. Thank you. All right. Now we're on to, we have no new business. We're on an old business. Stormwater. I'm going to steal my name. So I'll, I'll introduce Royce. So it's like we got the whole public works team.

So Doug, you want to come up as well? So speaking of retirements, I think Doug was here the last time to talk about the stormwater strategic plan. Doug has now retired from the city of Lacey and is now in the audience as a former city employee. So now I'll let Royce start. Royce Young is now going to be leading the process. And then you guys can introduce yourselves as well. So go ahead.

i'm royce young as he said i'm the stormwater permit coordinator i'm ryan jewell i'm the interim stormwater engineering manager filling in for doug until a permanent role is filled in july and i'm vince mcgowan i'm the water resources manager and currently the interim public works director and you got big shoes to fill yeah

That's why I'm sure you're capable. Give it my best shot.

All right.

We were here in March, if you all don't remember, Doug gave a nice presentation on what stormwater is and kind of a very small introduction to the stormwater strategic plan, which has been renamed instead of the stormwater comp plan so that we're not the same being called the comp plan, the slide comp plan. So I'm going to go over how we developed our stormwater strategic plan, the utility financial analysis, which is in the process right now, our public participation opportunities, and then what are our next steps. So the very first part of it, we hired Herrera Environmental Consultants to help us with this plan. We reviewed our 2020 stormwater comp plan. And in that plan, it gave us a list of staffing that we need, a list of projects to build, along with activities that we like to implement. So we reviewed that to see what staff had been hired, what projects have been built, what we implemented for activities, which ones weren't. And then we also went over our long-term goals. And our long-term goals are goals that the city strives in our stormwater program. such as keeping pollutants out of stormwater, groundwater, and surface waters, and using revenue wisely so that it's invested and produces measurable positive outcomes. Along with that, the icons are listed on the right-hand side there. We updated those icons to match the city's outcomes. color scheme that's in their new style guide, along with updating the color scheme, we updated the groundwater protection icon so that it had more grass in it, just a little bit of grass. We updated the development practices so that it had roads being built instead of trees being torn down. So it was a little more friendly. We also updated the stormwater planning icon, which is at the bottom. You can't see it right now, but it's got cogs just like for the wheels. So it all kind of turns together as opposed to one big arrow going from money to little bitty icons at the center. Then we also looked at our levels of service. In the previous plan, we had three levels of service, which was minimum, recommended, and enhanced. And we didn't want it to seem like we were trying to shoot for the stars, so we went with required and recommended this time around. The required level of service allows us to remain in compliance with this permit cycle, which is from 2024 to 2029. along with maintaining our existing stormwater programs and implementing critical capital projects for the city's current size. The recommended level of service expands those programs to make more progress towards those long-term goals to continue to provide the current level of service that our residents have come to expect from us while continuing to allow the city to grow and get more permit requirements. It also allows us to implement more capital projects. And then we went through our accomplishments that we had done since the last plan. We updated our stormwater design manual, which we're in the process of doing again. It's required every permit cycle. We inspected 1400 private facility inspections. We trained 172 staff on illicit discharges. We've cleaned up 752 spills. We've reached 554 students, 20 teachers and 2000 residents in events like Fun Fair, Children's Day and Manning Tables, other places. And we've had 859 volunteer hours and 247 volunteers at our stewardship events, which does a lot of vegetation and habitat improvements along Woodland Creek. We established our source control program, which has inspected over a thousand businesses since 2023. We hired a erosion and sediment control inspector for our capital projects. And then we also updated the climate section in our plan to match the climate section in the citywide comp plan. So I know we touched on these hot topics before, but I kind of wanted to dive just a little bit deeper into what they actually mean. The water quality retrofit projects are projects that are required by our permit to retrofit areas of the city that were developed before we had standards that don't have any treatment for the water that flows into surface waters. And it's all based on population size. So the more that we grow, every permit cycle will have to do more and more equivalent acres. Right now we have 9.2 equivalent acres, and it's not a one-to-one ratio. So let's say you have 200 equivalent acres. You have 200 acres that drain to one spot. You have to run it through a modeling program to get your equivalent acres. So you may only get 10 acres out of that 200. It just depends on how that modeling works out. 6-PPD quinone is an additive that they add to your tires. It's an anti-ozonate. It keeps the tires from breaking down quickly when it mixes with the ozone. Unfortunately, it changes its chemical composition when it does mix with the ozone and it turns into 6-PBD quinone. And as you're driving down your road, your tire particles break off and then those get into the storm water and the storm water that goes right into the surface waters, the salmon as they're swimming up the stream to spawn, when they hit that runoff water, they start to swim in circles and gulp for air and then die before they have a chance to spawn. So we're gonna have to start doing things like bioretention facilities to kind of filter that water out. The firefighting foam, which is the AAA firefighting foam, has PFAS. The state of Washington has banned that firefighting foam. And luckily, our fire department doesn't use it, but it's still being used on JBLM. So if we ask them to help us fight a fire, we may have it. It is in some fire suppression systems in some of our warehouses. Basically, we're required to work to with the fire department to be notified when that is used and then have cleanup procedures for post-fire cleanup to clean up any sort of runoff or firefighting activities. Then we have two steps for PCBs, which is another forever chemical that's in buildings built from 1915 to 1980. We have to have procedures for our own buildings, our city owned white buildings for building wash down. and for demolition to make sure that that doesn't run off into our storm system. But we also have to educate building owners and property managers and people who power wash that that runoff on buildings that are privately owned also cannot get into our storm system, which is kind of the enhanced source control with it. Increased mapping. We have to do tree canopy mapping. We have to do overburden community mapping. We also have to map all of our outfalls that have a diameter of 24 inches. So anytime the water flows their pipe 24 inches, we have to have that basin where all the water flows from to that outfall mount. Controlling runoff was another big one, specifically for when you have development and redevelopment, you have a specific amount of square footage of impervious pavement or impervious surfaces. that trigger the minimum requirements in our stormwater design manual. And that has been lowered from 5,000 square feet to 2,000 square feet. So a smaller amount of impervious surface is starting to require more requirements for stormwater management. And then environmental justice and overburdened communities is providing those opportunities like we talked about last time to those overburdened communities, most likely in the areas that they're at so that they can provide their input on our stormwater management programs. And I touched on the tree canopies and goals. We have to also propose some policies on tree canopy and what canopy we'd like to keep for stormwater management on city owned properties. And then the next step after that was doing some staff workshops and interviews with all of their staff, depending on what program that they actually, their job is tied to. So, you know, you have source control, you have private facility inspectors, O&M, And basically we sat down with them, had them fill out a questionnaire asking, you know, what works well, what doesn't work well, kind of like we've learned that we have better plan reviews in process, but we also have some lack of prioritization when it comes to stormwater infrastructure being built and inspecting those to the same quality that they inspect the water and sewer. Then we asked them what the top issues were. And of course, mostly the, all the permit requirements that just keep coming and coming from the department of ecology. We asked them what kind of changes would you need to be more successful? A lot of it had to do with having staff to be able to make sure we're in compliance with these permit requirements. So for example, until this year, the maintenance staff for stormwater had the same five people for the last 25 years. even though they've had more and more duties and a larger, larger area to maintain. So that was one of their issues. And then same thing goes with those roadblocks and current staffing needs. And then we asked them if you could have whatever programs you wanted to have. to reach our goals, our long-term goals without having to worry about funding. What would you like to do? And they had things like line cleaning and ditch maintenance, which we've already had a comment on ditch maintenance in our public comment period so far. Then we had Herrera come to the city of Lacey and we went to all these different project sites in the city of Lacey. And we looked at Projects that weren't implemented in the previous plan, we looked at those water quality retrofit projects, which could be existing facilities that need to be rehabilitated or areas of town that need the water quality and some current flooding issues that we are seeing. And then from there, we decided which ones we wanted to put in this current plan and Hereric created these summary sheets with an estimate, a rough estimate of what that project will cost. I will go through some of these just really quick so you can kind of see. This is 28th Court Northeast. It's a wet pond, which is a pond that holds water most of the year. Its liner has failed. Let's see if I, where did it go? Right here, the liner's failed. So we need to replace that liner. The Hawks Ridge Dry Wells, which is, oh, where does it go? Right here. This is a area of town that was annexed a few years ago. And it's just a metal pipe standing on end with a grate on the top of it. So they're not up to today's current standards. And there's also some safety issues with big drop offs on the sidewalk where those are located. And then if we go to this next one right here, that is our stormwater lift station. Basically, the water doesn't infiltrate very fast there. And so if it hits a certain level, we pump that water to McAllister Creek down Steilacoom Road. And that lift station is not up to the standards that we have for all our other lift stations, like our sewer lift stations. So we want to make sure that that is up to all of the same sort of generators and all of those things that we have. And then we have the Lacey Street here. Part of Lacey Street, well, I would say three quarters of it flows to the north and there are no catch basins along there that takes that water. it's supposed to kind of sheet off into the grass, but it doesn't, it flows down the road and cuts down a private drive and flows into a person's yard and is causing some sinkholes and whatnot. So we're gonna try to install some catch basins and upsize the line there. I should have had a little pointer. Glen Mary Drive, which is right here, just as a little small localized flooding that we're going to install some infiltration galleries at. The next one right below it right here is the Clearbrook drainage system. There's a lot of lines. This was built with lines between homes along backyards and it's really hard to maintain. So we want to pull those out into the street. The Shady Lane, which is over here, we're next to the the Sorry, it's not working for me. The next little dot over to the right-hand side is Shady Lane. It's another wet pond that needs a new liner replacement. We have Bel Air and Impala, which has a lot of localized flooding, which is kind of down into the left-hand side. And so we're going to tie that into some existing storm and send it to our Ruttle Road facility. The Ruttle Road and 32nd facility was built a long time ago in the 90s. It's about 30 years old and we've added tons of flow to it. So we need to make sure that it can handle that flow and maintain the contact time in the constructed wetland it needs to get the treatment it needs before it flows out into the wetland. Wedgwood Manor is another localized flooding, which is down in the very corner. It's on Mullin Road, Carpenter and Mullin Road. Basically, it was designed to have some drainage in two people's yards. So we'd like to put that drainage so that it's not flooding the folks' yards. We'd like to put it underground to infiltrate. And then Pattison Lake Drive, which is on the bottom right-hand side, is just another little localized flooding that's eroding a gentleman's driveway. So what happens after that is they take all that information from the last few slides and they turn it into a gap analysis where they reviewed our current stormwater plan, our new permit requirements, our staffing workshops, our levels of service, and divided all of the things into that required, the bare minimum that we need to be in compliance with our permit to... Being able to provide that level of service once the city starts to grow our capital projects and decided how many staff we need, what activities we need to fund and put our capital projects, put all that funding in. And then they come up with the financial analysis where FCS group takes that all of that gap analysis, our current revenue, our current expenditures and builds a financial model. And that financial model looks over those level of service for the next nine years. They make tweaks based on our staff recommendations from our internal advisory group. And then they give us proposed utility rate increases, which we just had our last meeting yesterday. So we should have that by the end of June, beginning of July for a review before the public hearing. We also did a ton of education, or not education, but outreach for public participants. We had a stormwater survey that we sent out the beginning of January that allowed residents to give their input on our stormwater programs, what water bodies are important to them, and taught them how to report spills. And then we had our open house on April 6th, here in the council chambers. Can you exit out of that so that I can do that story map really quick?

And really quick, go to Zoom. You're going to have to share it. So I need to stop sharing this one? Yeah, stop sharing that one. I'm going to share it.

So we have this nice story map like they did for the transportation project I highly encourage you to look through it i'm not going to go through the whole thing it's a really fun way for residents to learn about the stormwater program from the very beginning, all the way through to now. It talks about what it is, all of our ordinances that we had, our stormwater design manuals, all of those sort of things, ponds and facilities that we've built, our permit requirements. The one thing I just want to get to really quick, which I think is really fun for folks to watch and hopefully I'll be able to push the play button. It's the next one for annexations. You get to watch how big this city's grown since the 1916-7-2 last year. So I thought that was really fun. But it's a really great way to learn about our stormwater management programs and all of the stuff that I've talked about. I encourage you to go look through that. Not from the beginning.

Okay, bye.

And then we have had at least three Jolt articles, which is the Journal of Olympia, Lacey, and Tumwater for our stormwater survey, our open house. And we've had three of those. We've been on the city's website, the city's Facebook page in Lacey Life, Lacey Weekly, and Stream Team also publicized our stormwater surveys. So right now our current status is it's in the 60 day public review period. It started on May 18th and goes to July 21. We are finishing up that financial analysis. Like I said, it'll be it, hopefully be done by the end of June. We would like to incorporate the first round of public comments starting on the 24th. So we'd like, if you'd like to give any public comments to have those comments to Ryan by June 23rd.

24th of June or 24th of July?

24th of June will be the first round of public comments. And then we'll incorporate those for the public hearing. And then whenever it happens with council work session and their comments, we'll incorporate them again, the final comments before we go to be adopted. And then, like I said, we're here. Our public hearing has moved from the schedule that you have from July 8th to July 22nd. And we'll have the public hearing then. And then July 28th, we'll go to council work session and then we'll be ready to adopt whenever community economic development is ready to adopt their city-wide comp plan.

That's what I got.

Bruce, do you want to stop sharing? Absolutely. Jeff, if you want to go around the hood.

Yeah, we'll start with Alan and we'll go counter-clockwise. Yeah, no questions. Do we?

Just a comment to share. So I'm a member of the Meridian Campus community, 2100 homes, and we have a summer newsletter. And I wrote an article about your department and promoted the website and public awareness of all the things that are going on. And it's on the front page of our newsletter that just went out last week. So hopefully you see a surge of engagement from Meridian Campus.

I hope so. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. You're one of our largest... question so I've noticed yearly we have a significant amount of flooding by corporate center drive by the vision clinic on those on that so side streets there something's the catch basins are being clogged it could be multiple different things without going out there it could be leaves covering them that should be them not being cleaned okay but I highly recommend if you see that that you report it to our operations and maintenance center so we could get out there and get it taken care of as quickly as possible thank you

Well, yeah, I was really excited when we were reading through the packet we received about the projects to engage the public with South Sound Green and a stream team. And I know in my classroom, at my school, we raise coho and release them and we do riparian zone restoration. And the students are concerned about the six PPD and the impacts on salmon. And so it's just really amazing to see that the city is engaging our youth to really, you know, concern or build concern about the environment. Thank you. What school are you? I'm at Orla in Olympia. Okay. Nice. Awesome.

Thank you. Good. Yeah, no comments. I think everything, if anything, yeah, it's good to hear everything, bringing some of those older, that older infrastructure up to par. Yeah. you know, all the benefits that should hopefully bring to the city and future maintenance and all that.

I'll just say, you know, speaking of older infrastructure, you saw the capital projects list. It's in the packet. And that's mostly what those capital projects are is correcting, you know, existing deficiencies, most of which was older. I think that's one blessing of Lacey in general and working for the city of Lacey is we're a relatively young community in terms of the infrastructure and, you know, You know, a lot of our newer subdivisions and commercial areas and those kinds of things have all been developed while we've had a certain level of stormwater regulations. And so that's we've benefited from that in terms of, you know, lack of flooding. So, you know, we don't really have too many. you know, pronounced flooding issues that I could ever remember. You know, they do happen, but they're infrequent. And, you know, kind of almost like freak things, like when we had that microburst storm a number of years back. So for the most part, we're, you know, a very resilient community, very, you know, young community in terms of the age of the infrastructure and those kinds of things. So, you know, we're... we all of us benefit from that, whether you, you know, you work here for the city or you're a resident or a business owner, those kinds of things, you're all benefiting from, from good design when it comes to stormwater infrastructure. Spencer had another question.

Yeah, maybe I missed it in the packet. Is there already funding attached to these improvements?

That's what the utility analysis, there is. If you look at the plan, it will give some funding in there. Our appendices will be ready in the next couple of weeks. We'll dive a little bit more into that gap analysis. It's 200 pages long, just a fair warning. So you might want to skim it quickly to find what you're looking for. But that utility analysis kind of takes all that in. But you will see in there how many staff we're recommending, what each project cost is, those maintenance programs that we'd like to do, like the grout replacement. For HOA communities, you should know that we We talked to you about your grout in your pipe. So we're wanting to get a grout program for ours as well. Ditch maintenance, those kinds of programs. It's all listed in there. If you look through the plan under the capital improvement chapter and all of those, those for the capital projects, it'll be in there. And then I believe the chapter before it has all the staffing.

So I'll just add on to that, that as part of the full package that will come to you all for public hearing here in another month or so, there will be that financial analysis that will be included, including some proposed rate structures as a result of that. That's not necessarily the role of the planning commission to make any kind of recommendation on the rates. That process will all be part of the council process. So council sets the policy when it comes to the rates. While it is included in your packet, and it's important to disclose what the rate recommendations are for the public as we move through this process, the role of the planning commission is really to review the plan itself and not so much the rates themselves, if that makes sense.

That does. Makes complete sense. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah, you're very welcome. I will just chime in on the capital projects. If you look, there's a number where it says 13 with a dash and a number. Those are projects from our 2013 plan that we're circling back into this year. So we decided not to change it because those were capital projects from way back then that we just weren't able to implement throughout the last few years. So we're now putting them back in for this plan. But there are... There are prices or costs in there, I should say. So if you have any of those, by all means, make comments to Ryan and we'll filter those in and can respond. We'll have a whole spreadsheet with what the comments were and what our responses are to those comments.

As Royce mentioned, if there are any additional comments you have, you know, obviously tonight's a way to be able to ask questions, provide comments, but if you're reviewing the document and you want to provide additional feedback, feel free to send that back through me and I'll make sure that Royce receives that and is able to integrate that into the public hearing review draft.

Thank you. So as a former civil engineering student, stormwater has always fascinated me and water flow in general. I did really well at fluid dynamics.

Well, we're the rising star in the utilities because we've always been kind of the, like I like to say, the redheaded stepchild put off to the side. But with more and more requirements coming down to us, we're starting to be something that needs to be noticed.

So one question I do have for you, because you mentioned that some of those items are from the 2013 plan. How does that enter? because those things were done before that.

That is correct. So what we'll do is we will try to provide some treatment or restore it so that it's providing treatment. Like I said, most of those are the palm liners that have failed. So we need to replace those palm liners so they're actually providing the treatment that they originally designed for in those ones.

And that's allowed under our permit?

Okay.

All right. Well, thank you. You're welcome. Very much. You guys are all welcome anytime.

Well, thank you. We'll be back on the 22nd of July.

All right. So with that, we've exhausted our agenda. Our next meeting is in about a month. And so I'm going to declare this meeting adjourned. And thank you very much. It's always nice to have an audience.

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