Council - Regular Meeting

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Good evening everyone. I'd like to call the Kittyhawk Town Council meeting to order. It is Monday, August 4th, 2025. We are in the Smith meeting room almost 6 o'clock by that clock there. Thank you all for being here tonight. Those of you who are here and those who are at home, we've got a packed house. Uh may be a long night. We'll see how things go, but we'll be here till we get business taken care of. Again, thank you. If you're able to please stand and join us in a moment of silence, followed by the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance

to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you everyone. That was great. Thank you. Nobody wants to sit in the front. Before we go any further, I'd like to recognize and introduce our guest attorney tonight, Mr. Starky Sharp is a member of the Kittyhawk family. Has been here many times. It's always good to see you, sir. And you're welcome back anytime.

Good to see each of you, sir. Glad to be here. Casey's doing okay, but he had something that he's had that took him away here. So, I'm gonna stand in again. Always like joining you. Good. Thank you, sir. Thank you, council. I need a motion to approve tonight's agenda, please. So moved, Mr. Mayor. Move made by Jeff. Second. Second. Second by Charlotte. All in favor? I. All oppose. Thank you. Okay. We've got a number of presentations here tonight. The first one is dementia friendly coalition for use of the former Kittyhawk Police Department building. I think Mr. Dan Collins is coming up and ask that you speak directly into the microphone so we can be sure to pick you up. Ma'am,

thank you mayor and town council members for the opportunity to speak this evening. Um I am Jan Collins, president of the dementia friendly coalition. Um I'm going to read our inquiry proposal that you were given last week. The Outer Banks Dementia Friendly Coalition is a public nonprofit charity dedicated to supporting caregivers and individuals with dementia. Our mission is to educate, advocate, and build a more inclusive and compassionate community for those affected by memory loss. Today, nearly 7 million Americans are living with Alzheimer's, a progressive mindaltering condition with no known cure. This year, an estimated 9 000 people will develop this disease which means likely to affect individuals we know including our friends and our loved ones. The need for a community-based support and education has never been greater. You may have seen our purple sea course on the doors of local businesses and restaurants. This symbol indicates that employees have completed our dementia friendly certification program which trains them to understand the unique needs of customers with memory loss memory issues and how to provide a more supportive experience to all. Through those efforts of dedicated volunteers, the DFC has provided dementia awareness and response training to restaurant staff, bank and pharmacy employees, police, EMS, and public safety works, visitor center and hospitality teams, veterinary veterinarians to be alert for signs of confusion, and pet owners. This training empowers caregivers to confidentially take their loved ones into the community without fear of misunderstanding or embarrassment. It

also ensures that our public facing workers are prepared to respond with empathy and care. We currently operate two dayout programs which meet a week meet twice a week for three and a half hours. Each session serves 9 to 12 individuals with dementia, offering them a safe, engaging environment for social interaction. In total, we serve approximately 60 participant visits per month. These structured gatherings not only bring joy to our participants, but they also provide caregivers with a much needed and deeply appreciated break. In addition, we host a monthly caregiver support group on the second Wednesday of each month from 2:30 to 4 at the bomb center. These meetings typically draw four to nine caregivers, creating a trusted space for sharing, encouragement, and connection. It is often the only time caregivers can truly speak openly about their experience and gain strength from others who understand. The Outer Veins is also home to North Carolina's dementia friendly hospital where trained volunteers are dispatched to stay with memory impaired patients, giving caregivers a reprieve and ensuring patient safety. Our Outer Banks hospital has even helped train other hospitals across the state. We also partners with Officer Julie Hanner of the Kill Devil's Police Department, who leads Project Lifesaver, a 24-hour locator service for individuals with dementia who may wander. Visitors with Project Lifesaver transponders can register locally and continue coverage during their stay here on the Outer Banks. We have equipped Mano and Kildevil Hill libraries with backpacks that can be checked out by families

caring for loved ones. We do quarterly seminars to educate the community on care of the aspects of the disease. The need for a permanent home. While we are proud of all we have accomplished, the biggest barrier to expanding our reach is clear. We need a home. We need a permanent access accessible location where caregivers in crisis can find us and get immediate support, where our day out program can safely operate and store materials, where volunteers and staff can coordinate services and outreach. Our Seahorse logo can shine as a welcoming sign of hope, visibility, and belonging in the Outer Banks community. This is why we're proposing that a former Kittyhawk police station become the new headquarters for our dementia friendly coalition. The building layout is well suited for our needs. With the front partition removed, the large meeting room would become an open area approximately 25 by35, ideal for group activities and gatherings. Just imagine a movie night or a spaghetti dinner night for caregivers with their loved ones. We understand there would be a cost associated with removing the partition, but this modest improvement would significantly enhance the functionality of the space. The building also includes multiple office rooms, a functional kitchen, storage area, and two bathrooms, offering both privacy and accessibility to those we serve. While the property lies in a flood zone, we understand the town currently maintains flood, wind, and hail insurance and that occupancy may help lower those costs. We are also exploring cost sharing partnerships with other nonprofits and local town councils to support the

building's ongoing use. A win-win for Kittyhawk. This proposal is more than a real estate request. It is an invitation to reaffirm Kittyhawk's commitment as a family centered inclusive community. By offering the former police station as our home base, you would be helping hundreds of caregivers and loved ones access critical services and a welcoming environment right here in this neighborhood. Imagine Spring Arbor and and Peak Resources bringing their memory memory care residents for a joyful day out. Imagine a caregiver walking in overwhelmed and finally finding support. Imagine a new generation growing up in a community that embraces compassion and care. On behalf of the Outer Banks dementia friendly coalition, thank you for considering this inquiry slant proposal. We believe this this partnership has the potential to make Kittyhawk a model town in how it supports its aging residents and the caregivers who walk beside them every day. We're grateful for your consideration and hopefully that together we can build a stronger, more compassionate community for all who call Kittyhawk home. And I just want to say thank you to all the people who came in tonight to help support what we're trying this initiative.

Okay. Thank you, Miss Colin. Great presentation. U as you know, uh Miss Collins and those in the audience, this is on our agenda for later tonight to toss Ryan and discuss ideas for the police station. So, we would definitely take this into consideration. Council, any questions for Miss Collins while she's here? Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Good job.

Beach nourishment. Mr. Anna Priest. Good to see you again, sir. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, council. Let's do that.

Good evening everyone. Um, good evening again, council mayor. My name is Adam Priest. I'm a coastal engineer with coastal protection engineering out of uh Wilmington, North Carolina. And we are the the engineer for the D project and the other three projects in the Outer Banks. So, tonight I'm going to talk to you about three optional items um or tasks that were included in the proposal. uh that we provided the town back in July. Now, these optional items, I'm going to provide you some more information that kind of gives you a better understanding of of what those optional items are. Um before we do that, I wanted to kind of go over some some uh commonalities between the 2017 2022 project and this upcoming 27th project. So, there's some commonalities and some differences. So, first of all, the the the extent of the projects are going to be the same. Um there's no change. It'll be the entire town. Uh we use the same bar area that we've used for the last two projects and we're also looking at adding some additional bar areas. Uh field density may increase for some towns if they choose to uh uh to look at going to a seven-year maintenance interval. Um the time of year will be the same. So typically we permit these projects for the entire year, but treasures kind of target the May to September because of the weather here. It's just easier to work offshore here in the Outer Banks in the summertime. Um, we expect the fill volume to be the same or close to the same um, for this upcoming project uh, within the range of the past two projects. Um, in the 2022 project, we did do some dune repairs to the Kittyhawk project. We didn't construct dunes in 2017. We built a starter dune, but as you all know, if you've been out to the beach, that starter dune has grown into a a well a well-looking dune, fully vegetated, robust dune. Uh, one thing different about this project is the inclusion of a potential storm berm which is the third optional item that I'll talk about tonight. So just to refamiliarize yourself um

this slide just shows the overall project area. On the bottom there you can see uh the project areas. That red dashed line that's the line separating state waters and federal waters. Um that's three miles out three miles offshore. In the upper right hand corner that red polygon that's bar area A. That's where the sand has come from for the last two projects. Now, from the um the regional sand source investigation we've been doing over the past two years, those polygons that are outlined in white, those would be additional areas. Um we did find some areas, and I'll go over those D6 and D7 that expand bar area A. They're connected to it. Um but they add volume to it. And then those other bar areas, they're actually closer to some of the projects, which would reduce some of the costs uh for the 2027 project. The dredge doesn't have to go so far offshore to get it. Um, and if you look in the far left, there's another uh bar area um that we're looking to permit. That one's closer to Duck. So, the same thing there would be closer. They wouldn't have to get sand all the way from um off of Kill Double Hills. They would have some sand closer to them. So, the first of the two or first of the three um the first two of the three optional items are in task two. So, the bar area permitting. Uh back in 2021, there were some concerns by the DCM. So these tasks that you see here were the same tasks that were performed in 2021 to evaluate the bar area. So really these two optional tasks are in case the DCM has concerns again um that you will have these optional items. If the if the board approves these optional items, we won't actually implement them unless the DCM comes back and says they have some concerns. We don't know that that they will, but rather than submitting a new proposal with these at at their request, we decided to include them for your consideration. So again, if you do approve them, we won't do them unless the DCM comes back and says we have some concerns about material in the bar area. So going on to that. So this slide shows

on the left is a bometric survey of bar area in 2021. So we did this survey and on the right is a comparison of the the post construction survey from 2017 and and the 2020. So basically those red and blue areas you see the red areas are places where the elevation in the bar area dropped. So they they lost elevation. The blue areas that you see there are basically depressions that filled in. So those elevations rose. The DCM had concerns that those depressions had filled in with potentially incompatible material. So they thought that if we dredged here again, we put material that wasn't good for the beach. So they asked to for us to do additional evaluation to look at look at the material that filled in those those areas. So on the left hand side here after the survey the DCM we went out and took grabbed samples from the surface and then we also did vberors basically going down into the sholes and collecting sand samples. We analyzed those sand samples just like one of the tasks uh the optional tasks it showed all sand. Um but one of the other concerns were that you know this stuff you know was infilling and we're like we it doesn't look like that. So on the right hand side you'll see basically that there's two two graphs one's from 2017 and ones from 2021 that that yellowish area that's in the upper left or you know kind of left and up. Um that's the higher area of the shaw. So in 2017 you can see it was a little bit further uh northwest and in 2021 it had expanded. Well, that cross-section on the bottom, uh, the green line you can see that's from 2017. You can see where the shaw stopped, but then four years later, you can see kind of how that shaw had moved and progressed. So, what we were seeing wasn't actually infilling. So, those depressions weren't getting filled with material. The sholes were actually moving. So, those all those SHs complex had moved somewhat over the four years to the southeast. So, we provided the DCM with the data. They were okay with that. were able to permanent bar area A.

So these items that we're asking for optional in case those DCM has those same concerns, we can go ahead and move forward and get that additional data to provide to them. But if they don't have the concerns, if they're they're satisfied what we did last time, we won't need to move forward with them. So again, just to kind of reiterate that the task A is the survey and actually collecting of the sand samples, but we won't analyze them. We'll have them in case the DCM says anything. If they do have concerns, if needed, then those two optional items 2B and 2C, which are to analyze the sand samples and go and collect the viro cores, that would be additional. Um, but if like I said before or reiterate, if you approve it, we won't do anything unless the DCM says that they would like additional information. So those are the first two. The third one is the task for engineering design. So this is a Kittyhawk only task. Um because the other towns that have good dune systems and we have built engineered dunes for those projects. But in Kittyhawk, you remember in 2017 um there were some space constraints and budget constraints. So the idea we came up, we didn't want to just build the BM, not build a dune because you could see, you know, if you drove down Highway 12, you could look underneath the houses and see the ocean. So we came up with this idea of a starter dune. basically a baby dune was just we pushed up a mound all along the entire project and since 2017 as you guys know that dune has grown significantly. It's vegetated. It looks great now. Um and that was you know a big deal. So um all right. Yeah. So in 2017 they couldn't do the full dune and it's grown naturally. So we don't have to do this optional item. So this is in case the town would like to basically re-evaluate how the beach is now. So in 2021, we did this same analysis. We looked at we compared how the beach how the the conditions were in 2021 compared to 2014. And this would be basically updating that analysis to see now that

the doom has grown even more since 2025, we could re-evaluate the dune, see if there's even more protection now. And then if the town wanted, we could look at some different designed dunes, some scenarios that I'll talk about more that would add even more protection. So, I just want to walk through some kind of photos. Let's just take you back in time a little bit. Um, so this is from 2014. Um, it's I think the area just just uh it's near Bennett Street, but as you can see this house and you can see the um the Kittyhawk pier in the background there. But there were no dunes. If you all have been here for a while, you you this probably looks very familiar to you. But at this time in 2014, no dunes um along the area. Again, a little bit further south, black pelican, that's the pelican perched there on the right. But this area of Highway 12 was undermined due to erosion. There were no dunes there. This is back in 2015. Um so that that was an issue. Um, and then a little bit further south here. Um, this is, you know, probably a photo that, you know, everybody that's been here a while can can remember driving along Highway 12 and being able to just see the ocean right right just past these houses. So, that that's kind of where we were in the past. Now, back in 2017, as I mentioned, the starter dune, this is actually the construction of the starter dune. This is basically just a beach push. Um, there was no design to it. There was no, you know, crest width or anything. Hey, it was just a mound of sand that would create a speed bump for any sand being blown along to to trap it there. Um, and then the sand fence was added in vegetation, but this is just kind of what it looked like kind of making the sausage. Um, when it was all done, this this was a picture of the starter dune on the left hand side. So, I'm standing there. It's maybe shoulder head high at the time, which if you had been to Kill Hills or Duck and seen the dunes that were constructed, this is a lot smaller. Um, but you know, we had this idea. We wanted to put something there um that could could grow and and at least provide a little protection

during high water. Um but since then we've seen, you know, a dramatic uh expanse. So this is from the same photo or the same um viewpoint as where the road I just showed you was eroded and undermined. So, this dune now, I'm sure if you guys uh drive down Highway 12 and you know, this is a very high dune now, and there's a lot of sand there that that was not there um nine years ago. This is in 2022. Um and it looks even better now. Um this is from the air. So, this is a drone shot um from this past June. This is that same section where Highway 12 was eroded out and now there's a vegetated, you know, large dune um sitting there. And that all started with a starter dune and sand fence and vegetation. And we've seen just that big increase with these projects kind of adding sand, the dune catching and just naturally building up on its own. So this is that photo again, but I want to show you this is the before and this is the after. So that that you know red arrow is is pointing to the same point on that window. But uh I took this this afternoon when I got here before the meeting and just to kind of show you the stark difference. 2014 and now 2025, nine years later, you know, two beach nourishment projects. And as you can see on the right there, sand fence is buried. There's probably another section of sand below that that's buried. Um, so it's been been really successful. Uh, similar I showed this project this this uh photo earlier. This I took this today and and now as you can see um you know that that dune is built up. It's in front of that house and providing that protection. No, no longer can you see the the ocean there or when there was high water there was water coming underneath these houses. That's not the case anymore. Um I walked around to the beach access so I can kind of see the front and show you a different perspective. And really here's the same, you know, the same thing. You're looking at a beautiful vegetated natural dune that just started with a mount of sand

and has grown naturally over time with the help of sand fence and vegetation. So this pl profile plot here really shows at at this one section in Kittyhawk. So the shaded yellow was the starter business. So that was what was constructed in 2017. Um the orange shaded area, that black line, that's the 2020 profile. So three years following the construction of the project. You could see just how much in those three years how much the dune has grown. And this really kind of gave us the this was the catalyst to kind of look and re-evaluate how much storm protection that started doom was providing. Um so in 2021 we did an analysis a lot like we're um we have proposing today is that basically in 2014 we evaluated and showed the number of structures that were vulnerable to a storm similar to hurricane Isabelle. Um so in 2021 we did that same analysis for the 2020 conditions and compared them and what we saw was a 44% reduction in the number of structures that were considered vulnerable. So from 2014 to 2020, you had the 2017 project and the starter dune, but just just with that starter dune and the beach project, it was a reduction of 44%. Um, so in addition to that analysis, in addition to re-evaluating the conditions at in 2020, we looked at several different scenarios. So several different design dunes. Um, one was building a dune up to elevation plus 15. Um, one was building up to plus 18. So we looked at, you know, kind of a medium size and a large size, both 20 foot wide crest and a one on five slope. And we wanted to see how that would impact in addition to the current conditions, but adding that dune in 2020 conditions. And we did see some additional decreases, 23% with the 15t elevation dune up to 66%. But at 66%, we dropped it, you know, decreased it by 66%, but it was almost $1.4 million for the dune. And

this is this is along the entire town. So this would have been building a dune along the entire town of of Khawk. Um you know that price tag was was pretty steep. So we looked at some additional scenarios instead of along the entire town. We looked at just sections where there was a high density of vulnerable structures. So looking at those 70 where they were and trying to build dunes to see if we could, you know, reduce the uh the number of structures that are impacted. Um and we did. We saw a 56% increase and we looked at two sections. one about a 7,000 foot section north of Wilin Street and another 2,000 foot section between Kittyhawk Road to Point of White Avenue. Um, one of the other things we did in this analysis, the resource agencies came back and said that they wanted us to steepen the dune. So, there was some concerns that sea turtles with with the dune that we were proposing the one on five and sea turtles wouldn't know the difference between the beach berm and the dune that it was too flat. So, they wanted to steepen up the dune so that the turtles would know, hey, that if we're going up, we're probably need to turn around and stay on the beach. Um, in order to do that though, we wanted to keep the volume similar to be able to compare the different scenarios apples to apples. We made it a little bit wider. Uh, we did see some 46% decrease. Um, you know, both of those those scenarios were roughly $820,000. So this really provides just kind of a breakdown of that analysis that was done before the last project before the 2022 project shows the different alternatives but ultimately what ended up being constructed there on the last row. Um obviously sand fencing was involved but then there are repairs to two sections of dune. Um the 8 800 foot sections I think it was Cune town homes there and then another 450 foot section right at the border with Kitty Hopkill Double Hills. Um, so we just did those two sections. You know, the cost was 291,000, but that repaired some dunes in

areas where they were low and then added the sand along the entire area. So that was the analysis done. Then that's exactly what we're proposing now for this project. It's not required the town to do it, but it would basically re-evaluate where we're at now and then look at is are there ways that we could either provide more protection along the entire town or look at sections maybe that aren't performing as well and provide some additional protection there. Um, but one thing that we don't want to do, so this is a recent photo and I wanted to show the vegetation in the dunes. When you go out there, the last thing you want to do is disturb the dune and disturb the vegetation that's helped these dunes grow. It's important. You know, the the vegetation catches the sand, the sand fence, you know, it it deteriorates over a while, but the vegetation can keep up with with the sand and help grow. So, these these two photos here just show a healthy dune and healthy vegetation. So, if we do look at if you do approve this option and we look at um you know, doing some different scenarios, we don't want to cover what's out there. uh we want to basically work with it, complement it, but basically allow the doom to continue to grow on its own without being disturbed, without messing up the the vegetation. So I showed you this uh the slide earlier shows the growth from uh 2017 to 2020. So this is an updated um profile. So what you're now seeing is the growth. This is the same location, but instead of from 17 to 2020, now we're going from 17 to 2025. And you can see that additional growth from there to there, you know, over the course of these projects. And again, no sand was placed in the dune as part of these projects. Other than that starter dune, what you see there shaded in yellow, all of that other sand has built up naturally over time. And this is what this is what we saw in 2021 that that buildup. And um so we thought that we'd include this the same analysis we did to re-evaluate the current conditions and then look and see

if we could add any more any more protection. So if you guys have been involved with these beach projects, you've seen these slides before. Um this is actually looking at a time period. So it's at the end of the maintenance interval. So in 2017 we built the project. The end of the maintenance interval was 2021 right before the next project. So by that time we expect the advanced field that we place that is supposed to erode over that over that time period that's gone. All we're left with is the design beach and the starter. As we've seen the starter has grown so as of 2021. So the next project in 2027 we have the option uh or the town has the option of just doing the advanced fill. basically rebuilding the burm out like last time, maybe repairing some dunes, not building anything new, but repairing some and then adding that advanced fill for the next nourishment interval. Or uh we could do this analysis. And one thing we're proposing is what's called a storm. So I like to give the analogy that you know your beach is like you're checking it out. So there's daily transactions. The waves come, they take some, they bring some, but that's daytoday currents and and tides. what you're doing is more like your savings account. So, in case there's an emergency, your checking account gets emptied, you've got that that savings account, that you know, that cushion there. Well, the storm berm is, and I couldn't quite think of the analogy like what what it would be in terms of finance, but what it does, it provides additional storm protection because it's a higher elevation. Um, so it would prevent, you know, high water events from coming. Um, but what it also does, it provides a source of sand for the dune to continue to grow over time. This is a a long-term feature. So, you know, we expect it to be there and, you know, we don't want to cover the vegetation, but as you know, conditions change through here, that storm berm will feed the dune while also providing additional storm protection. It would go in front of the dune. It wouldn't come up uh it wouldn't cover the beach. We wouldn't put vegetation or sand fence on

it. This would just be like a step to raise the elevation to keep that um high water from kind of coming to the accesses or even eroding the toe of the dune. Um, and then also we're not burying the vegetation. We want this. So, this would be additional volume of sand that could help grow the dune more over time. Any questions? That was kind of fast. Any questions? I have a couple if you're pretty finished.

Uh, just have the last slide. So, I just wanted to provide the schedule. So, this is just kind of in the beginning. We're in the early stages of the project initiation, the bar area development, but the the key time frame on there is that August 2026. So, that's important to be able to put the solicitation out to the dredgers to give them enough time to get this on the schedule. And we've seen in past projects that the earlier we can get that to them, the better prices we can get because their calendars fill up quick and if we give it to them too late, they're already booked up. It's either going to cost a lot more or you have to postpone the project. So, that that's the big one. That's the big date we're trying to to hit right there. Um, yeah. Other than that, take any questions.

Thanks, sir. Ken, Dave, so the original bar pit that we had, um, that had a shelf life on it, correct? I mean, we could just keep pulling from it forever and ever and ever. I I failed to mention there, the last survey we did, there was about 10 million, a little over 10 million cubic yards left in bar area A, right? And so, these new areas that you found, they just they weren't there before. Uh, mother nature's created them. I mean, why did we not use them before if they were there and go further to save the town money at that time?

Yeah. So, there is um so we basically bar area the bar area A and bar area C were the low hanging fruit. They they were the largest areas, had the best material or you know the comp material and provided the easiest access. You know, dredgers want long straight areas that they can just go they don't have to do a lot of turns. Um but obviously we did a more in-depth uh this this regional sand source investigation. Um we we looked at a lot of areas and we found these additional SHs. Um part of it too is the collection of the the vibrocore data. So there's certain spacings. Um and we were able to expand that uh spacing for the the regional sand source investigation that's been going on for two years.

Able to look at some other places in higher detail than were before. So, so that 10 million um does that split between the Kill Level Hills, Kittyhawk line or is that all going to Kittyhawk? How does that Yeah, that that 10 million um that's in there now would primarily be for I think in in 2027 because we're finding we found another bar area closer to Duck that the majority of that sand would be for the southern shores, Killa Hills, Killyok, but bar area was used for duck as well. Um so maybe they would use bar area for portion and then they would use um E E1 which is the northern bar area just like they did in 2017 with bar area C.

This may not be a well perce received statement but with Southern Shores being a private beach I mean you're saying they have private they have their own sand that they're pulling from their property on over or is it coming from the original? Yeah, it it's coming from the original one. Yeah. Well, once once you go in the water, um I I understand federal state lines and all that. Yeah, I understand. Now, now there are some differences between the sand in Southern Shores, the grain size versus the other ones. Kind of where I was going with it, too. Yeah. Yeah. So, in 2022, there was an area of bar area A that had a more coarse a larger grain size that was more applicable to to Southern Shores Beach.

Um so, that was kind of set aside for them because it was larger, kind of fit their beach better. Um Killable Hills and Duck slightly smaller grain size. Um so there there was an area of bar area A for southern shores because their their stand a little bit larger because that mixture I mean is that when it mixes like that is that it's not normal, right? I mean even under mother nature time somewhere storms.

Uh I mean we it it's I don't know. I would say it's probably more unique to the Outer Banks um because of the wave energy you have here and you know subtle differences and change in the coast. I mean when I saw it initially back in 2017 or or earlier when we were doing I was surprised at the variation along the coast. Um but there is a definite difference. I mean, I know um just even the nearshore up in duck, you know, larger, you know, cobble size, you know, gravel up there, which you don't see um further south here. And certainly even in Kurup County, we survey up there as well. And those those beaches are are different as well. It's kind of unique to have, you know, this area be one long beach, but have such differences in the grain size.

All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Dave. Dylan, any questions, Jim? So, let me get this correct. The supplemental the viroors the the 10,57. Yes, sir. That is an optional to the town. Is that what you're saying? Yes, sir. And the reason I included that cost in there is we were still waiting for some quotes when we submitted the proposal to the town and we we got the quotes back. So, that was a a cost that Leon didn't have. we provided to her last week. Okay.

But that that would be an option that if approved, we would only implement that option if the um Department of Coastal Management said, "Hey, we're concerned that there are some issues out in the bar area." Again, I we don't know that they're going to do that. We we felt like, well, I mean, we addressed those concerns last time and they peritted the bar area. Um I I would be surprised if they had the same concerns again, but um rather than have to come provide a new proposal, we figured we'd add them as options and then would be approved. Very similar to the the trollling that we did. Yes,

we had the option to not go in but run a risk of delays if they did. So we went ahead with the the trollling to make sure that we didn't have the delays. It's very it's it's a a little bit different, but yes, sir. Yeah, we're providing these in case something changes between Allen. And the starter dune, the starter dune, is that an additional cost to the town? This the starter dune is already there. The um the design analysis, the um the protective dune, the the

So we we would do the same thing we did in 2021. We would look at these different scenarios and then we would provide them to the town to to consider. So in 2021, we provide them all and the town decided not to go with any of them and just repair two two sections and do the sand fencing. So we would do the same thing. We would show you the breakdown of okay, it increased your protection, you know, by this much. You know, if we did this, if we did the dune along the entire town or if we did the storm BM, you know, in a 2,000 foot section here to protect, you know, these vulnerable structures in a 30,000 foot, we would give you all that information and it would be the town's decision then whether a go or no go. And that's that's a cost on the town solely on the town.

That wouldn't be divided in the beach nourishment total project. Correct. Okay. And so you're going so what you're saying is you're going to submit us with the areas or what you're what you think it's needed and then we make a decision whether and you're going to provide us with the cost analysis of that. Also just just like what this shows, right? um we would show you what we analyzed and what we looked at and then just like in this the scenarios we looked at the board of that time they said well we want to do something different right and that's that's what we would do okay thank you thank you question

the timing of your project is awful I um I really have a real problem with with interrupting our guests but Um I guess if that's the only thing you can do.

Yeah, it comes it comes down to a lot of it. Well, safety is one thing, you know, being it's typically these projects are done in the winter time because of the environmental window for turtle nesting and the state's very serious about that. This, you know, we we um provide a lot of information to them before the 2017 project u to get the summertime dredging. it was not something that they did lightly and um but as you know from the Outer Banks in the winter time trying to work offshore is problematic at best. Um so we try to minimize the disturbance as much as possible but it is a disturbance for sure.

So I I have another comment to make. There's certain areas of Kitty like I'll use the Black Pelican area as an example. That's a real tricky erosion section there. when when you do your analysis, would you come in and say, as an example, like we recommend that you do, I don't know, a more volume of sand in this area, but less over here. Yep. Could it be different the whole way down? Yeah, we would separate it into So, the design for Kittyhawk

um to this one here. So the design for Kittyhawk to provide the the protection, you know, originally um calculated there's a 60 foot burm width. So that that right now is part of the the town's design 60 foot wide burm. Now during construction, we widen that burm even further with the advanced fill. That fill is the sacrificial sand that erodess over the the five years between between projects. Um, so what we could do, we we look at rebuilding that that design berm, but then if there are areas like there at um the black pelican that needed some additional sand, we could look at doing the storm berm there in front of their j. So we we keep the design b the same, but we' add that additional protection on top of it. Well, I mean, there's certainly certainly there's areas that you I've driven up and down the beach many times on, you know, from one end to the next and just like anywhere else, there's certainly hot spots.

There are, right? So, there's no question that it's working, but what have we done in the past? And you don't have to get into it tonight, but I'd like to know the the data on what we've done before compared to what we're doing next um as far as those hotspots. Yeah. So, one of the things we looked at is, you know, adjusting the the configuration. So, um, we had some additional sand, placing some additional sand in those hot spot areas. And the reason there are hot spot areas is because the depths are deeper, closer to shore. Sure.

There are these old paleo channels that are there um that allow the waves to get in closer to shore there. Um but yeah, we can look at I mean we we've set up a model for the 2022 project numerical model that we can model the the currents and the waves and it kind of gives us an idea of how different configurations perform and through that we can you know tailor it to well you know it's interesting because you know like guys like Jeff and I have surf a lot here you know sandbars come and go but there there's there's ocean the ocean floor has things that keep it the same. Oh yeah.

And that's the information I'd like to know moving forward on certain areas that we may want to pay special attention to versus some lesser of the hot spot areas. Oh yeah. No, we we definitely and and I can certainly get that in the reports. We talk about the hotspot areas. We we surveyed this past June. We did a multi-beam. So basically what they are is um you know the the relic inlets that came through. And you're right, the geology for those areas, they hold the same, right, regardless. And um so they do change the dynamics in those areas which create the hotspots and we take that into consideration when we do the designs. Good deal.

We can definitely show you, you know, what we've looked at and how we've tried to adapt to make sure we Well, I think where I'm going with is some people, you know, were really against beach nourishment. Now they see that it works. I think people are more happy to spend the money. Nothing's guaranteed, but it's easier to spend somebody's tax dollars on an area that we feel confident would work. So, we're not just opening up the money out there for the sake of throwing sand out there. Right. Yeah. And there there's reasons that will be detailed in the engineering report for for everything that's done.

Sure. I think there has been um extra sand added in that hot spot right that we're talking about at the black pelican in the last the last project I believe. So I can't remember the details. I believe that there was an area that didn't need as much and so they shifted it and uh used it for that particular area.

We did the same the same thing for the town of Duck. We had high high losses. So we try to look at each project separately and evaluate how can we make it more efficient? How can we make it, you know, the sand last longer? If we put it um for we put extra sand in the center, does that hold longer? If we put it at the south end, does that hold longer? We do the same thing for for all the towns. Uh Kittyhawk is unique because of those hot spot areas. You don't have those in Southern Shores or Duck. Um Kill Double Hills has, you know, as well, but but Kittyhawk really has those areas. and and we try and what we say adaptive management try to make sure when we're thinking about the design we're taking into account those areas and how they have a higher erosion rate than the others.

I don't get hung up on it tonight. I'd love to pick your brain some other time off outside of here because you there's a bend right there that heads towards southern shores. I wonder if that's what helps create kitty hawk to get pulled on harder. I mean yeah we can definitely provide you. We got the symmetry service. We can talk about that for some other time. But yeah, I'd be more than happy to. Thank you. Anything else? C Mr. Pri, thank you, sir. A great presentation. I guess we'll just wait and hear from you when your cost analysis and council will come together and have a discussion to see what needs to be done. So, we have consensus to move forward with the cost analysis. Everybody good? All right. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. Good job, sir.

Thank you. Recreation Committee update. Good to hear from the recreation committee. They're shy. They don't want to come out too often.

Charlotte, thanks for all your participation, hard work, and recreation committee. Y'all have done wonders. So, thank They really come together as a team. I'm very proud of it.

Mr. Maritime Council, my name is Paul Henriquez. I'm the current chairman of the recreation committee. I'm presenting on behalf of the other members here and the other members of the the committee. Thank you for your time and allowing us to present. Thank you.

So, first off, we've uh we've created a trail town hall trail. Um it was just finished this spring, actually late spring, early summer. Took us a little longer than anticipated. So, it's a it's almost 3/4 of a mile what we have right now. We're calling phase one. are off on this side over on that side and we do have a connection on the other side through the the power ement. We're looking next year later this year to do the phase three. Right now currently we have almost 3/4 of a mile trail all the folks here are hiking mountain bikes horses u beautiful trail the one trail goes out to Hobs Creek. We've created an 80 foot bridgeway that connects over next to Hobs Creek to another loop on the back side. We've also done a connection over on this side laps back into beautiful tree that looks back over town hall. Absolutely beautiful. So suggest every go everybody go check it out. Um the trail was created by the committee members, volunteers, uh Wesley who is uh was generous enough as a boy scout. He got his uh Eagle Scout Eagle Scout um by helping us build the bridgeway. Um other members I'd like to thank Kip Tab was a member of the committee until he moved to another town and no longer with us. He was the integral part of the the the trail. He was he spearheaded it until um it was put on my lap. We got it done. Uh volunteers. Uh so I'd like to thank some other volunteers. Jesse Davis helped out. Uh Jeffrey Scott. Um I'd like to thank Chemville Building Materials. They donated all the lumber screws and connections and

anchors for all the bridge.

So great thanks to Chemville. They're a great partner for us in this uh the town's expense, no labor cost, no lumber connection cost, uh volunteer labor. It was picnic tables, chairs, and tools. We're everything else done by all of us. So, uh great trail. We're looking to expand it and we're excited about getting more use as right now when it's like it is now and hot ticks and chiggers a lot of folks don't want to go in the woods but it'll get used a lot more as we get into the cooler months. So that's the trail update. Um we did back in September of 2023 we did a community survey that we put out. Um and this is just some summary of feedback on that on that survey. Um, so as you can see, the the the the top responders are primarily full-time residents of Kittyhawk. Um, top recreational activities, beach or water activities. Number one, hiking andor walking, visiting town parks, biking, running, and jogging. top of recreational facilities, beaches, multi-use path parks, uh Kyok Woods Reserve, which has a lot of other trails that are accessible also to use and then excuse me, Southside Access. Uh so this is a little, you know, an idea of what what people folks are thinking about how we're doing recreationwise. Very satisfied, 33%, somewhat satisfied, 40%. I think we might be able to do a little better, but we're doing good. Um, very dissatisfied, very small, somewhat dissatisfied and neutral. So, I think we're doing pretty good as far as the survey information facilities that need improvement,

pedestrian paths and trails, sound access and parking, beach access, parking, parks and playgrounds. U and part of what we're trying to do committee wise is is is pedestrian traffic, bicycle traffic. We're really trying to think of ways that we can improve that so that that's representative of where we need to go. Uh satisfaction with maintenance primarily everybody's satisfied with the maintenance of the trails and and all of the the parks and everything. So that's good. It tells us desired additional activities, more walking andor biking access, more southside access, more access beach and ocean more familyfriendly activities and pickle ball courts. We do hear some some folks coming to us about pickle ball courts. So that is something that's somewhere on the radar also. That's

So that's just a a quick update on our our survey. Like I said, that survey was done in September of 2023. I think we're going to probably think about doing another survey here coming up maybe next year just to see how we're doing with the new trail and everything else. But I think that's great information for all of us to and we use that information and have used that information on you know we we are a sounding board for the committee or for the community and we we like to take in the the community's information and input and try to carve our path forward based on that. So we really really pride ourselves on doing that. Um so other than that a few other things um that we're working on committee-wise. We uh were thrilled to uh to find out that the town has been awarded the NC DOT multimodal uh planning grant. This planning grant will u give us basically a pedestrian advice study. So it'll give us a pedestrian study to to study the town and see where the needs are. we're doing and we appreciate all your helping us really fantastic again. We very much what you're doing this kind I know myself earlier when you the cost of the time we no cost volunteer work we appreciate that and that was wonderful.

Yeah I know you I know it started with the cake whatever. Thank you, Paul. Paul started with a keg. Whatever. Thank you, Paul. Paul, would you come back up, please?

Come on, Kip.

So, we wanted to um rec has the outstanding efforts of the recreation committee members and councilman woman for bringing this long envisioned plan to light. What people probably don't understand is when town hall was originally built in the late 1980s the concept of the trail surrounding the building was included in the initial or maybe forgotten. Um, in the recent years, our community has increasingly expressed a desire for more trails and recreational spaces. And I guess a couple years ago, whether it's a fortunate coincidence or divine intervention or something, the original site plan for town hall was put into my hands and um I was like, well, this is a great idea. So, I think I gave it to you.

Uh, well, I I will say Paul been pushing He he had been pushing it. Then you put that in my hands and after that there was there was no stop. There was no stop. Good to have the right people in the right place. Um so their work has been nothing short of remarkable. All the volunteer hours, all the sweat equity volunteers here tonight. Um and

yes, get up here. So, y'all brought what was an original vision back to life, and I'm so proud of that. And it's a beautiful accessible trail that enhances our town and provides new opportunities for outdoor recreation. And there's a beautiful It's Is it called a creek? It's a creek ditch back there. It's a creek,

I guess. when the town hall and I cannot be more proud of the committee and everyone who supported this initiative lastly um Kville public works they helped a lot too it's a wonderful addition this is a small of our appreciation and you might say what is this but this is actually a tree flap and you wrap it around the tree and it says, "We are grateful to our recreation committee members, Paul Enriquez, Ryan Tibido, Peter Mance, David Clemetz, and Kip Tag for their hard work in carrying out the town's original vision for the Kittyhawk Town Hall Trail. A wonderful space for our community to enjoy. This is made out of military grade stuff.

It could explode. It's supposed to last forever and ever. So y'all can pick your tree that you'd like to put this on and we can we can do it for you or y'all can and by the way that was not free.

Thank you to everyone involved. Your dedication team has made a lasting difference in our community and I can't wait to what I was next. I know it was hard and thank you for

Oh, yeah. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Pete, did you have something to

Yes, sir. I do. So, mayor, council, staff, uh ladies and gentlemen, um I'll make this super quick because it's a pack agenda in a packed house tonight. So, uh last year to continue on with the recreation committee uh uh efforts and and update uh and this was at no cost to the town or should be at no cost to town. Just a little vision forward of what we're looking at. So 2024 was a wonderful year for us, not only for the uh the United States recognizing the year of the trail, North Carolina being a great trail state, Kittyhawk making the trails, plus all the other trails we work on to give us opportunities. Um,

so, uh, it was also last year, as most of you know, was the 150th anniversary of the life saving service, US life-saving service in the Outer Banks with the original 71 1874 structures. And this body here uh, graciously created a proclamation there. Thank you for that. And also, we tried to uh, present a plaque or creating a plaque for NC DOT so we could recognize US life saving service. Unfortunately, that didn't come through, but it got the committee thinking about some potentials for things other than trails and engaging the community and looking at our survey and what's interest a multiaceted effort. Uh the primary thrust is a life-saving memorial for Kittyhawk uh and the people here. We've uh identified the bath house as a place uh to put this because that's the original compound next to Black Pelican where the the life-saving station was. And it also uh allows us to build off existing structure. We've got the the deck platform out there uh that allows to with less expense create a more traditional almost like a perlo where you've got a sweeping landscape with the top not necessarily matching the 1874 structure but as you look at it you look to the side and see the black pelican that'll pull out that whole heritage of life-saving service and the building that goes with it. Um, in that, uh, what we've got is is a big platform, some bench that offer shade. That area is is super exciting because it's a very busy area, especially this time of year. And even year round in the winter time, a lot of people go there to access the beach. Probably one of Kittyhawk's most busiest areas. So, talk about an opportunity where we can present some of this rich heritage of Kittyhawk to not only tourists, but town folk as well, people from the Outer Banks. a lot of people that just don't understand the history of the life-saving service and

what's a big part of Kittyhawk and and what found in the Outer Banks as it is. So with that, we'll have educational panels that will go up um eight or nine of them probably working with access designs and what they look like. Um they could be everything from the life-saving service to the Kittyhawk life-saving service to um uh the Wright brothers engagement in the life-saving service with the weather station here and what one of the main primary efforts that drew the Wright brothers to come to the Outer Banks not only to sand the flat dunes but because of also the weather observations which they they really needed plus uh coastmaster general Tate who responded back to Wright brothers letter saying hey is there is there enough wind there and is Outer Banks a good place to go or is Kittyhawk a good place to go? And and he was one of the few that responded back to the Wright brothers that piqu their interest to come and look and and and bring the first one here. So, a myriad of things going on there. Um uh as well as um women in uh uh the Outer Banks and recognizing them and what they did. So the the first women's relief uh national relief association that where they came and Kittyhawk was a big part of that where they came and helped the survivors of any shipwrecks. They provided food, clothing uh to anybody that was um you know rescued until they could get to to safety and so forth. So a whole lot going on there. Um we've envisioned this uh in several steps uh to include not just the structure itself but you know a possible statue of a a surfman largeiz boat that you know you can take pictures in or you know maybe kids could play in a flag pole dedicated to the area um other other kind of things to make the the area more interactive engaging so to speak so having said that that's one part the second part go to the next slide the second part is as I was just indicating piecing it together. So, I I offer this as just a a thought piece for

you of all those folks that were involved with the life-saving service here in Kittyhawk. So, these were folks just surfman and keepers um that we recorded um plus all their families and we've been doing a lot of research on their descendants as well who could still be alive that had had family that served back then. So, those are some really exciting things that are are coming about. not just the structure itself and if you go any more slots please but the the next thought is who are these folks and and who are the people that supported them and that's what we really want to tease out this memorial. Having said that this led us to another thought as a recreation committee of not only you know um this life-saving service but how do you tease out other historical aspects as part of the rich heritage of Kittyhawk such as the schoolhouse and the post uh office and that sort of thing. So, we've got some ideas of how we can go around and specifically place uniform monuments or placards in front of some of these locations and make it part of a walking tour, lightning tour, that sort of thing as part of the GIS for Bay County. So, lots of great ideas. This is a look forward to what we're working on. Um, we'll submit an application in September. Uh, keeping it uh scaled under $50,000 ideally. So that'll require no matching funds from uh the town here. And so um it sounds like they're pretty excited. We could probably use some help recent skits on that, but you know, great great opportunity to push some heritage forward. So any questions? I'll leave it at that.

Any questions for Pete? Okay. Thank you, Pete, very much. Thank you. Great job. Thank you.

All right, folks. We're finally at public comment. Laura, has anyone signed up for public comment, please? Yes, sir. Um, Andy Key, come on up, sir. Please state your name and address and limit your comments to three minutes, please, sir. And and we ask that you speak directly into the microphone so we can

Good evening, mayor, members of council, and Starky. Starky and I have known each other for decades. My wife and I have been residents of Kittyhawk 6008 Kirk Truck Road for up to 30 years. I've been practicing law for over 40 years. I'm currently the president of the Kurt Dair Community Foundation, an affiliate of North Carolina Community Foundation. I'm also a member of the Kittyhawk Rotary and the president-elect. We recently raised money to purchase a handicap beach access wheelchair. We donated to the fire department and it was now actually a waiting list for the use of this wheelchair. Um we were touched and we found that an acoust acoustic child was celebrating his birthday. His parents said he had never been to the beach and we were able to reserve time and the with the life with fire department's help we were able to get him down to the beach and it was just a memorable event. So as we travel and tell others we live in Kittyhawk, they often ask what is the town like? I tell them this is a caring, giving town. I tell them that this is God's country and I tell them this is where you should think about giving yourself and service to others for the town to coordinate with the OBX dementia friendly coalition. The bar would be high set and everyone throughout the nation would talk about it. This would be an opportunity to to help and aid those that suffer and impacted and their families by this terrible, terrible disease. The OBX Dementia Friendly Coalition needs a corporate headquarters. You've heard Jan Collins presentation. They need a building to serve the needs of the community. I hope that you'll favorably cons excuse me consider the request and thank you for

all you do for the counter kitty office. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Laura? No, sir. Anyone here tonight would like to speak during public comment about any topic? Any subject? Anyone? Okay, Laura, let the record show no one else chose to speak. Council, I need a motion to approve tonight's consent agenda, please. So moved, Mr. Mayor. Made by Jeff. Second. Second. Second by David. All in favor? I.

All oppose. And we had no items removed from the consent agenda. Uh planning. Rob, are you going to speak later on your uh

Okay. Okay. All right. New business. Item nine A, operating guidelines for high quality government. Uh Melody Good evening, council. Um, through some suggestions and conversations, it came about that perhaps we needed to formulate u some guidelines for our council members and our appointed board members. And this has been presented to you, I think at least two weeks ago. And also in your packet, it discusses just some basic rules for board members to follow. It discusses dress code and it also discusses attendance. I will stand for questions if you would like.

Thank you, Melody. Uh you folks have put in a lot of hard work here. Uh we appreciate what you've done. council. Any questions or comments from Melody or anything you'd like to say? Okay. Council, anyone in uh would like to make a motion here to approve the operating guidelines? I will make a motion to re I recommend a motion to approve the proposed operating guidelines for high quality government. Do I have a second? Second. Second by David. Any further discussion?

All in favor say I. I. I. All those. And you notice council there's place for us to date and sign as far as appointed board members also. Thank you council. Thank you for your work on that. Yeah, hard work.

Okay. Item 9B, plans for our old police department building. We've got a room full of folks here tonight who are eagerly waiting. Hear it. We say uh we've had a lot of we've been discussing this amongst ourselves and with Melody for some time now. A lot of good ideas. As you all heard Miss Collins great presentation earlier tonight, uh, and I will say we do not have to make a decision on this tonight. If you want to discuss amongst ourselves right here, bring out some open ideas for for us to discuss and uh, we can table that for another date for decision or we can make a decision tonight. And the options that were put forward from some staff brainstorming, even some council members, um the options that we have were sell the property. Um we have an appraisal that was done in April said it was valued at $870,000. Um renovate the property for seasonal seasonal housing. We have since found out that if we change the zoning to residential, we have to bring it up to code and we unless we did that, we would not be able to use the downstairs at all as when it was zoned residential due to the flood issues. Uh, of course, we can lease the property and seek tenants for the rental of the building. We've heard one proposal this evening. Um at one point there was discussion of just remove the structure and make it into green space and then also uh it's been discussed to make it a community space like there a community gathering space

or a youth space or or something like that. Couple of facts to the situation. The square footage of the building is 3558 square feet. Uh, I'd say the average lease right now is about $25 a square foot for commercial space. Um, current insurance paid by the town, we pay $2,800 in flood insurance. And we also currently pay $6,500 in property and mobility insurance. The rate would go down if it were occupied, which would probably approximately be $5,600. So that's what I have for you tonight. Does anybody have any questions?

Well, I have Can I say something real quick? I definitely want to hear from you. Well, no. I'm going to make it easy tonight. I think we have to to to know what we have first. Fully know what we have. Um, as far as the insurance and all that, that can be done in a triple net lease. I mean, there's ways to push that on to to the renter, tenant, whatever. But I think for me personally, I I'd like to get in there. I don't even know what we've got at this moment in time. I'm personally not in favor of green space.

Um I mean, I think there was a good presentation earlier. You know, I think there's definitely some some uses for it, but we just need to know what we even have. We need to make sure we can, you know, I was even thinking about it the other day. I mean, you could you could kind of prevent that flooding a little bit by even though it's a, you know, block foundation, brick foundation, you can still structurally lift that. You could, right? So, I mean, that would be an expense on the town, but then you don't maybe a grant, I mean,

or grant, right? Yep. So, you know, that could be an option. I just think we as a board need to kind of see exactly where we want to go and what we what we have. And and I think a big thing here I met with Melody this morning. Uh council is aware and the public is aware. We just passed our budget. We just approved our budget for 2025 2026. We have no money in our budget for repairs or remodeling this building. I think that's a big thing to consider here.

Keep keep the AC and the heat on. The AC's been increased I guess or we're not maintaining it at police department temperature levels. Could we explore it if they are 60 any grants out there? Can we explore that to see what for raising? Uh yeah, there also spoke with Rob this morning. He echoed what you just said. We cannot occupy the bottom floor. Right. Right, Rob. Res. For residential, right? For what?

For residential use, it would have to meet the regulatory flood protection elevation, which is 8 back there. And I think the ground elevation maybe around four. So ground floor would either have to be parking or dry access or it would have to be elevated to use it as res. What Miss Collins proposed would be okay because it's not residential. Correct. Right. It's still like an office space. I I still think you would want to first of all, why would that not be grandfathered in? You'd be changing the use from kind of commercial res. But you a commercial tenant moves in within a year, it maintains the grandfather,

right? this idea.

But even putting a tenant in there, I think the best thing we need to be, my opinion would be we need to be researching grants right now to raise it. FEMA just handed out a bunch, not a bunch, but a few. I mean, I'd like to see that for me. Um, I'd like to see that kind of fast track as best we could um to see if there's even available funds out there or how long it would take. I mean, you you have a nice you if you get a nice tenant in there and then you got we have floods, you know, we all know what happens back there at that time. So, I think if we're going to do that, then I'm I'm strongly behind raising the building.

Keeping it, keeping it and raising it. The $25 a square foot for retail, is that monthly or annually? Annually. Okay. Well, it's 2 more or less. Anything else, David? It's in a wheelhouse location. But sir, anything else, David or Dylan? Yes, sir. Yeah.

But the only thing is I grew up on right right on that piece of property. Basically, it was my parents' backyard. Um, and it has flooded multiple multiple times and it's been in I know at least twice Sandy and um, Irene with several feet inside the downstairs. Um, I have concerns about mold and a lot of things before that we could even I I think there's some inspection of this building that really needs to be looked into. Uh, one of the reasons for us moving out our police department out of that area is the tremendous risk of flooding. And I would hate for somebody to invest a lot of money in there and and then turn around and and have it all wiped away. And I'm all ears, but I think the town really needs if we're going to consider uh anything like this that an inspection of this building before we could consider it. Such as we did when we bought the medical building to ensure that the safety of the people before we say sure and then come to find out, you know, it has had some tremendous flooding and it we'll see flooding again. So it's it is a risk uh to anybody that moves in there without raising the building or tearing it down and building something different there. You will always have the risk and the risk will come again someday. So, um I I think if we're going to consider this, the town should look into to some of those areas and then get back and if we're into to leasing or selling or something of that nature. Uh I personally don't see a if you can't

turn it into some kind of housing for our employees or something like that. All I see left is storage upstairs. So the the possibilities for me is anything from something like this or to selling it to somebody like this. But I think

I have had three inquiries about buying it. Now I know numbers have been discussed or but there have been several three people at least who have expressed interest in buying it. Um and one of the ideas was if we did sell it, we could use that money. Willy say there space on the lot to build just a real simple stick build building for how you know there's other things perhaps that we could do with the lot across the street. I didn't put that in in this right because No, the lot where that they call the yard.

Okay. Right. Putting up So you're talking about using money for that to build some housing maybe on that said we could do it. Mhm. Unlike you, Jeff. We need we need an inspection. So, we got to know what we got. Yeah, I'll be happy to do an inspection and check into the FEMA grants and other things that perhaps could uh raise it up and that may determine we can come back to these folks. I had them come back to us once we get more certainly still consider that as Sure. Charlotte,

I have some questions for the um dementia friendly coalition. Um, have you explored grants to possibly purchase the building or to um obtain it in some fashion? Have y'all explored grants? You're very compelling. You've really you um I understand your need and I think it's wonderful, but um is that an option? Would you like time to be able to do that?

Well, it's going to be a hefty one, but um that is it's just a thought that have you explored that avenue and are you limited to just Kittyhawk? You're from all over the beach, are you not? So, you're not limited to just Kittyhawk. No, we're not limited to Kittyhawk. We've been Miss Collins, come up so we can have you on. I'd love to hear what you got to say. Thank you. Thank you.

We've been in existence for 12 years. Diane Denn who's here tonight uh started the dementia uh friendly coalition and through her efforts we have grown and we have started these dayout programs and we were at parks and wreck well parks and wreck have the children in the summertime so we have to move our uh participants into another room so then we move down to Nagad to uh St. Andrews by the sea and I come by the old police station on our way to church all the time and I said to Tess, what are they going to do with the old police station? So again, it's a community effort. It's like, okay, we would like to show people in the community, not only uh Kittyhawk, Kill Devil's Hill, Nagad. We would like to show everybody that we have a dementia friendly coalition, that the island is unique to the country because We started with the hospital. We have the volunteers. They have gone out and trained and they're being inundated saying, "Wow, how do you do this? How do And so we're trying to find visibility. If we could have a building where we could put our sign and uh put our name and bring our participants to all the time the same building." Yes. You talk about grants. Where are we going to get 800,000 to pay for this house? I mean, I agree that's But what I was looking for was to you to work with us and then for me to go to other towns and even to the commissioners. I mean to me this should be, you know, an island project of everybody getting behind and supporting. Do you have to carry all the weight? No. But is is it time for somebody to make a stand in the sand and say, you know what, we'll help you, but this is what we need. So then I go out and I farm it from Corala all the way down to uh

Hatteris and say, "What would you do to help us secure this property?" Yes, it floods. Brandon, uh we use it a couple times a week. Uh our uh participants would come in that lower level. You're right. If we had three feet of water, yeah, we'd have to have a lot of volunteers. You've had people here that built the uh walking trails. We are full of volunteers. We volunteers every week that staff these programs. We I run a tennis tournament. This will be the fifth year. In October, we raise $40,000 to support the program. And that's all done by volunteers. So, there's no shortage of volunteers, but yes, there's a lot big shortage of money. And why we're here is to find out if we could work together because you have a property that we could make for work. Is it ideal? No. Are we going to keep it forever? Probably not. If we could get the towns together and if we could get the commissioners to see what we're doing, they have a bomb center. They have land there. They need to expand that. We could grow and move into the bomb center and they could build something for us. So, it's not a, you know, a forever thing. It would be, hey, the real estate market could come back. You could let us in there and let us rent it for a dollar a month and help us out. We'll pay the insurance or the utilities. We'll get the money for that. And then in three years, we'll get the commissioners to put something in the bomb center for us. We just need a start. That's all.

Well, I for the record, I'm I'm a big supporter of it having somebody's personally seeing it every day. Yeah. With my stepfather. So,

the island is full of retirees. We're all Frosty Tops that are coming here and and we already found out that it's increasing and you know it's the children that can't afford to come here to live because they can't afford the houses. So, you know, we're going to the other thing is the board of tourism. You know, hey, look at the money that they have. Why couldn't they put some money in our pocket as well? We're already saying come with your transponders and we'll show you that. We've trained the restaurants. We've gone to the banks. We've gone to the li Diane has, you know, gotten backpacks and they're checked out all the time. So, we're growing. So, this is a new thing. So, this is like moving forward and thinking forward. How can we help these senior citizens that, you know, unfortunately have dementia? There is no cure for it, you know. So, what we're trying to do is take the stigma away from dementia. Let them come out and go to the restaurants. Let them come to our programs. I mean even and this was a new thing that just happened. We are going to Spring Arbor and to Pete. They have some of our participants who can no longer be at home but they're in these facilities but they don't go anywhere. So now we have our services that can go and pick them up, take them out for four hours and come to us. And we have again volunteers in our community that do all the uh art programs and the master gardeners. They come to us to show us their wares and do projects. Today we had Aby's tea. They came and did a tea party. I mean, it just it's wonderful. It's just we need somebody like you all to stand behind us. If I found this, you know, in Southern Shores or in Nags Head, I'd be right there tonight doing the same thing with them, saying, "Hey guys, you know, help us out." And that's

we cannot put you in any harm's way in doing this either. So we we are just going to have to let us move forward getting our inspection inspect it and and all that sort of thing. And we're very compassionate about what you're trying to do. And if there's something that you come up with, please, you have my information, tap back. In the meantime, we'll check into grants and see what can be done and maybe we could work together to put something together. And like I said, I'd be go to Elizabeth in Southern Shores and go up to Duck and, you know, hit the other towns and say, "Okay, this is what Kittyhawk came back to us with. Let's see what we can do to do it as a a group." Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

You folks have chosen the right speaker. I agree with you. He's awesome. Awesome. Okay. Old business. Rob, see if we can clear up what we left open from our last meeting. I think we're going to have a little might want to wait just a minute. Everybody wants to hear about Um, all right. So, as you mentioned, let them get out.

I like that. Frosty tops. I like that. Frosty tops. That's that's pretty good.

Um so as you mentioned this is a continuation from the text amendment public hearing that was held in August. Um the public hearing was held and closed and um council had some questions tabled the uh the discussion till tonight. The the material in front of you tonight is the same as what you had last month with the addition of I went through the minutes and the video of last month's meeting and picked out all the questions that weren't able to be answered in and provided responses uh in the report for those. Uh they start towards the bottom of page three. Um with that I will turn I don't have anything new for you.

Okay, any questions? I think David, you had a few questions for I I'll get it started and I you correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, I thought the whole thing of the get my notes here. You know, you're talking about canolver deck as an example, right? I mean, we talked about that last time. You got a state storm water calculation, then you have the kitty calculation in a low density neighborhood like my own. real quick. So you're talking about storm water lot coverage is not related to I understand the lot coverage is so lot coverage we're trying to talk about the intensity of de development

understand take first flight ridge as an example I've done hundreds of site plans in there you have a you still have two different calculations kaw calculates can labor decks one way state does not we have never had understood understood but if understanding this correctly though, we're going to start doing that. We would count it towards well the same way we've always done it has always been counted as lock coverage until last year when we changed it to take uncovered decks out of lock.

So that's where I'm getting confused. would count it as a lot coverage cover or lot coverage physical area that we that excess amount that we allow from 30 to 38% like permeable pavement that is intended to limit the intensity of the development. So like real world example that just came in last week in as survey um uncovered ground level deck uh about 2,000 square feet of decking that just counts as that's not what I intended with the previous text. That's what this would correct. Okay. Thank you. That's that's what is confusing. Okay. Because I totally agree with you on that

because you can't have more than a twoft can lever deck without a structural engineer behind doing something different which wouldn't make any sense anyway because then it's going to flex and break off and you get 20 people standing there. Two feet the the is the maximum that I would ever build too anyway. So that makes a lot more sense to me. I just it's not wasn't very clear like that. I don't I I totally agree with you on a 2,000 square foot deck sitting on short piles in somebody's yard, which that should count as lot coverage.

Well, this would count as the lot coverage physical area. So, you still get you got your 30% lot coverage, which is your concrete, your roofed, your structures, and then the way our ordinance is written is anything in excess of 30, you can go up to 38% block coverage as long as um permeable pavement is used for anything in excess of 30%. The the proposed language in number three on the definition there says that for single family residential applications uncovered open slab decks that allow water to penetrate through to open pvious material are calculated as lot coverage physical area. So they're still not counting towards your 30% impervious lot coverage, but we're putting that cap on 38%. So we're not allowing the intensity of development, not the inference.

So I not trying to play attorney, but I've always a lot of my friends are lawyers, they say words matter, right? So should we not say candle lever a twoft candle lever deck is not considered physical area? Um I mean if we want to me it makes it more clear. I didn't even the way it reads right now didn't address because it's never been addressed. So it would be looked at before the last tax amendment can lever deck was looked it was 100% lock right

um the last tax amendment takes it out so it's nothing this would count it back towards the 38% lot coverage physical area so it just be looking at you take an aerial look you know at the at the lot bird's eye view what's the decking that you can see with the bird's eye view counts in that covered area or lot coverage physical I just don't see the need to have can lever decks that are on the top floor can lever lock coverage physical the third to 38% still limiting the intensity of development a lot

that's a can lever deck on the top floor I get it I mean it's it's maybe I'm the only one but I just I don't agree with that part of it being counted um Are you talking about just the part that's canlevered? Is that what Okay. Just the canal levered section. But bird's eye view. The deck is the the ship. I see the footprint of the deck,

right? It's counted, which I see what he's saying. But you're not using that underneath that unless you've done some type of work into the joist to stop from you can't. It's not usable area underneath it because you'll get wet. Same thing we discussed last time that we got away from it. I I'll go with it either way. I just think it's kind of confusing. Um I 110% agree with the short pile 2,000 square foot trampoline of wood. Um but like I have a two-ft canolver deck on my top deck. Okay. Why? From a bird's eye view looking down, yes, it looks like it's lie coverage, but it it's it's really not when you look up. It hangs over, but there's nothing there but air. It's just like looking at this light right here. So, I don't want to get too hung up on it. I'm appreciate I mean I know you're just trying to do everything clean everything up and and I certainly appreciate all your hard work on it, Rob. I know it's not easy. Um it's just confusing to me.

And if council wants to add in, you know, an additional line there that uh can lead deck is not counted towards black physical area. that it's it's council to say like D I don't know if you if council wants to add in like an additional line in that sentence that says that the you know can lever deck up to the next two feet whatever um does not count towards the block coverage physical area we can I can add that in pretty simple

I mean what I mean I'd like to hear I mean I don't want to spend all night on it it's just looking at it from a construction standoint point that you're I don't know how to explain what I'm trying to say. This has never been an issue before. No, it's never been specifically addressed. It's just always prior to the 2020 text whether it or not, it was always counted just as lots. So, as an example, I have a 16 Iz 15 30 I have 30 square feet now. It's being counted as lot covers. is a candle lever deck on the top of my house. Well, it would have been previously, too. Correct.

But we're putting it back. You're getting you're getting that square footage taken off your lot coverage, but it's lot lot coverage physical area. So, if you wanted to increase concrete somewhere else, that can area is counted towards that extra 8% for you. Just give you more flexibility. No, I understand. It's just Why is the portion that's not canlevered counted as coverage? I ask Rob that one. The portion that's not can levered. Uhhuh. That would be counted as coverage. Coverage as well.

Previously it would have been counted as coverage. Um under this proposal it would be count as a lot coverage physical area that extra 8%. I just I don't understand what say because I see the deck as a whole whether it's canle lever or not I don't for me I'm looking at a twoft can lever deck right say this is the canal lever from a bird's eye view yes it looks like it's one great big piece but why are we counting it when it's just open air of wood two foot of open air wood not short piled in the ground free hanging 30 ft in air

yeah I get what you're saying Um it I said it's this has always been prior to I think it was October last year as coverage then the text we had last year. Do you feel this is a better way to do it? Are you the argument but I mean ultimately it's what council No I'm asking you do you think that way you're proposing you wrote it this way because you think it's better and if you think it's better I support you as a as our planning director. I think if we're trying to regulate the intensity of the development of the lot, then yeah, you're looking at everything that's built there. So, you do think it's making it better overall? I think it's Yeah, I think so.

Okay. Well, if you think it makes it better, then I'll stand down because you're you're planning director. I'm going to support you. I'm still having a hard time understanding certain aspects of it, but if you think it's better, then I'm I'm out of questions. Anybody else? Council, any comments? You brought up gravel last time as well. You want to revisit that? Yeah. I'm not sure I understand the the the 2 in river rock being counted as lot covers either if you put it around the edge of a concrete driveway or around the drip edges of the house.

So, well, it's listed in there that landscaping like around drip edges or I guess landscaping along the edge of a driveway or landscaping is not counted any kind of coverage. Um, it's written in here that a gravel driveway would count as an improved driveway, which would be count as a lot of coverage. But the rational being eventually cars driving back and forth on it, it compacts it, debris fills into it, it becomes impervious eventually. Still drains better than concrete.

Like I had a couple of conversations today and thought if council feels that gravel shouldn't gravel driveway shouldn't be counted as coverage, I'm I'm just trying to give you why I put it in there. Just the background my but doesn't agree with that. That's fine. No, I I agree with you though. It does compact, man. For sure. All right, we're good on that. Yes, sir. Jeff, I'm good. All right. Need a motion.

I mean, I know real quick. I know Derek County I can't I should know this, but um I believe that they do like a I think it's 50% can be grass, gravel, whatever. It's not counted as lot coverage. Then you have to have a certain amount of concrete or some type of parking pad area. And I really like the way they do it and I should know that and I meant to bring my notes in on that before I got here and I forgot. Um, and we talk about storm water. Well, we're creating the issue with all this concrete. But that's all I have to say. All right, council. I entertain a motion, please.

Uh, Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the proposed text amendment to the section listed in this staff report related to permanent pavement, lot coverage, and lot coverage physical area. Town council has found this proposal be to be consistent with the town's adopted land use plan. Thank you. Do you have a second? Second. Second by straw. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. I. Call a vote. Thank you, Rob. Appreciate you clearing it up for us. Time manager.

Um well, good evening again. I have a couple things to relay. The um town has been working on its emergency operations plan. You guys approved this year's agenda or this year's plan in your consent agenda. Um but uh last week we completed a pretty realistic actually emergency operations drill. Um we had hurricane Robert ascend. It was a direct hit. Um I want to first thank Chief Tally for organizing this drill. He did an exceptional job. We had real briefings from the National Weather Service. Um and we coord he coordinated scenarios. We had loose leopards, uh, flooding, we had in-person injuries, missing people, and structure fires. All the departments were involved, and my thanks also goes out to all the staff for participating. The drill provided us with a great real life scenario. The first thing that happened is our phones didn't work. So, we had to come up with a solution for that. Um, I'm proud to say this is the most progress that we have made in emergency management and we have been motivated by this and we will continue to ensure the safety of our community and our citizens by continuing with this effort. Um, Casey did want me to relay that he is still working on the white white street access um situation and he will provide additional information next month. Um, today the town council along with public safety staff and department heads had the privilege of attending the ribbon cutting ceremony for DARE EMS station number nine. It also is a fire bay for um Kittyhawk Fire and Rescue. In my opinion, this is a win-winwin situation. First, it's a win for the community to have EMS services available

in our town. Second, it's a win for Dairs to have a brand new, never-before facility in Kittyhawk. And thirdly, it's a win for Kittyhawk Fire to have the addition of a fire bay that can be used in storms and be a safer place for them to be. Um, also on Tuesday, August 26th, everybody mark your calendar. We will be hosting a ribbon cutting in our new police department located at 5200 North Croton Highway. The ribbon cutting will take place at 5:00 p.m. Afterwards, we will host tours and have light refreshments. We are excited to for the public to see our new building and the event will last until 7 o'clock. And as Paul mentioned, um I'm happy to announce the town has been awarded a grant from the NC North Carolina Department of Transportation for a multi-modal path. This is a bicycle and pedestrian plan that will uh they will study the entire town to come up with a plan that suits us the best that we can use for future projects and and some guidelines as we move forward. So that is a very good thing.

And that's all I have. Thanks. We had loose leopards, right? We had how many loose leopards do we have? Three, I think. Six 12 12 even dozen. Thank you. Melody Beckers does sh anything for us sir got Casey gave me nothing except give you his regards. Okay. Glad to be here again. Thank you so much for being here. Time counselor David.

I don't have a whole lot. Um I really want to thank you again for that presentation. Um, I I personally I'm happy to help you in any way I can, whether it be through the town of Kittyhawk or any town on the beach, the county level. Um, you just just call my cell phone and I'll be happy to meet with you and see what I can do to help you out. I know nothing about it until seeing my stepdad go through it the last two years and it's uh it's pretty eye opening. Um, so any anything I can do personally to help you, I'm happy to do. That's it for me. Thank you, David. Very good, sir. Dylan,

I just want to thank the recreation committee, Peter and all the the guys who came up. Those uh you guys obviously have done some hard work. Appreciate all your time and efforts in that. And like Melody said, we did visit the uh ribbon cutting for the EMS station. And uh what a wonderful addition to our community. And what a well needed addition to our community for all of our public service and our emergency services. And uh I think they mentioned it during the uh the ribbon cutting, but how important the EMS folks are. You don't really recognize it until you need them. And so thank you for all of our first responders, for all you guys do for all all of us. That's all I have.

Thank you. Thank you, Dylan. Today was a very good day. It's been a busy day, but it's been a very good day. Uh great for Kitty Hawk and great for everyone on this end of Dair County, southern Kuruck. It's it's just wonderful that we've got this new facility. I'm looking forward to August 26. I know you are chief and give us some tours and those that have haven't already been. I highly encourage you to go. Nice facility. Thank you to all the staff. All the staff. You do a great job every day. Jeff.

Uh yeah. I'd also like to give the shout out to Paul and all the recreation committee members in Charlotte for all your hard work and establishing the trails that have been in the working since 1981. Uh check it off.

Anyway, we got it done. Uh we saw the pictures of the dune line and all I could think about is Donnie King and Better Beaches OBX. They have done a tremendous amount of work and the people that have helped to establish that dune and redo the sand fence is the reason that that dune the graphs that we saw right now uh is a result of hard work of the volunteers. U and I'd like to thank them. Also, we're going to give a shout out to Kimsville and Dare County and the town of Kittyhawk worked together on a project to we had some property and they needed an EMS station and we need a fire bay and we were able to work together and now we have a fire bay and they have an EMS station and as we've said it is a win-win for the town of Kittyhawk and all the residents of the northern Outer Banks cuz this as we found out 40 some percent 47% of all the calls are in this section where this CMS station is. So uh I'd like to really thank Dare County and and my fellow council members uh for this. That's all I have.

Thank you Jeff. Um also Lewis who is in our front office. She has been very instrumental in helping the recreation department and has gone above and beyond to make sure they had all the paperwork they needed and and make sure everything was in order. So, I'd like to thank all Sue and um I'm just really proud of what they've done, the recreation committee has done. So, thank you so much for everything. Thank you, Charl. Anything else to come before this council?

Well, Willie reminded me that today is the 235th anniversary of the United States Coast Guard. So, I wanted to say that. Congratulations. Yeah, Willie. That's my birthday. Congratulations. That's my birthday. 235 years ago. All right. Anything else? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Council move to move. Motion made by D. Second. Second. All oppose. We are adjourned. Everybody in favor. We are 7:48. You are you have to type a minute.

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