Planning Board - Regular Meeting

have somebody fix Good evening everybody and welcome to the city of Kingston planning board meeting. My name is Suzanne Cahill. I'm the planning director for the city of Kingston. I want to just start with a few quick announcements before the meeting. Um I ask that if you do have a cell phone that you put it on silent uh so that it doesn't interfere with the meeting. Um if you have any conversations amongst yourselves that are not with the planning board. I just ask that you take them outside of the room. Uh the council chambers are available and there is another conference room on the opposite side of the chambers if you'd like more privacy. Uh bathrooms are through the chambers. Uh once you're through, men's are to the left, women's are to the right. Um in case of emergency, we do ask that you please use the stairs and not the elevator. If you need assistance, just give us you let us know and we will help you. Also, I want everybody to please be aware that this meeting is being livereamed and it is also being recorded. So, I just ask that you respect um and respect other speakers. Um, and with that, I'm going to turn the meeting over to Chairman Platt to introduce the board members and start the meeting at 60:01 p.m.

Thank you, Suzanne. Um, introductions as Sue mentioned on Wayne Platt. We have also Charles Palco, Matt Gillis, Vince Archer, and Andrew Harris. Tyler Dday is our assistant planner, Matthew Jenowski is the assistant corporation counsel, and Alderwoman Sarah Pasti is the common council leaison to the planning. Welcome. Um item number one on the agenda is the adoption of a September 15, 2025 planning board meeting minutes. Um this time we'll make a motion that we approve it. Um we have everybody's had a chance to take a look at them. deletions, additions. Okay, so that is a motion. Do I have a second on that? Second by Chuck Balco. All in favor? I opposed. Gary.

Okay, moving into public. Oh. Um, oh yes, we have uh here I am scribbled them all out here, right? Um, we have missing board members tonight are Robert Jacobson, Sage New, and Kyra Grundick. [Music]

Okay, moving into public hearings. Item number two is 411 413-415 Aubony Avenue and 52-54 Manor Place Lot Vision of the Lands of Amiral Properties LLC. Section block and LU is 48.32-2-11, 48.73-3-28, and 48.32-2-10.2. It's in transm 6. Michael P is the applicant. Animal properties LLC is the owner. Anybody besides the owner or applicant wishing to speak on item number two? How are you?

Very well. And you did a great introduction. So you you took away my my first paragraph. Okay. So anyway, um as most of you know, this is this Simpson Funeral Home, Albony Avenue, uh Manor Place in the rear. It comprises of three lots. We are now turning into four lots. Um with proposal of moving the lines in the rear here to split this up as evenly as possible. Uh we plan on removing impervious surfaces building and the lamp post out on this side uh along Manor Place. Uh we have a series of dry wells on the site. Um depending on how the board looks at that, we can either remove the dry wells as we will have much more pvious surface moving forward. Uh that was something Sue and I spoke about this morning. Um otherwise it's pretty cut and dry. Um we have added a um proposed pvious surface here in order to create uh the 70% maximum coverage that we needed uh for lot number four. Um and that's basically the gist of it. We'll connect the water and sewer back here along Manor Place there. And this structure is already serviced off of Albony Avenue.

Um I was in speaking with Sue today. We talked about the uh the brick garage on on the the uh the plan. Yeah. Um that's going to have to be demolished, removed. Y aware of that. Yeah, that's part that's part of the submittal. We're definitely removing that. Right. So between the garage and the asphalt pavement that will have to be all removed prior to the subdivision being filed. That's how we handle US. Correct. Yep. Nothing else jumps out at you?

No. Like um as as Mike was saying, one of the things we looked at this morning um we wanted to know um if those drainage structures were inconnected um and Mike went out in the field this morning and confirmed that they are all individual independent dry wells. Um there is ironically one left u per lot um for the whole s system and they can stay on site. Um I do think that the one um potentially on well the ones on lot one and lot three may um ultimately be a disturbance of you know for future development. Um you can what I would suggest is maybe just cap them after you remove all the asphalt. they can leave them in place and then if they want to reopen them and re um reuse them, I guess that's possible. I don't know that there will be a need for them in the future.

So, you're just talking about because of where the buildings may be placed. Yeah. One is kind of in the very center of the property almost and the other's, you know, some where maybe a garage may be. That was the old funeral home. Is that going to stay commercial or is that going residential or what's They're going residential. They will be residentially developed.

Okay. And so another thing we have spoken to the owner about um is that because there'll be three new structures built along Manor Place um you know we're encouraging very strongly that the architectural design standard architectural standards under the formbbased code be used but that the buildings he's going to he's going to build the structures but that he build them with a little bit of variation. You know, that's a recommendation. We can't obviously require it, but we're recommending just to create a streetcape interest, you know, make them a little different each one.

You know, I think the client's pretty much open to your suggestions, too. He's mentioned that via the emails that we've had. Um, you know, he's if if changing facads and so on is required, I don't believe he's has any issue with that. He's stated that he would do the same on Hooker. So, um, is there anything in the works right now? Is there spec options being proposed or he's going to come to you guys with a plan when that time comes? I don't know. You know, it doesn't seem like he's moving forward too fast, but when the time comes, he will uh he will come to you with uh more of a site plan versus subdivision. Right. Well, there if they're three family and or less, they don't come back to us. They'll just go

go through the building department. Correct. Anything else? Negative thing else from the board. Okay. Under secret seeker thing. Under seeker, this is a type two. So, uh, no further review if not required at this time. Um then we've got a laundry list of

um so policy six um the blog garage and asphalt pavement uh will be removed prior to subdivision being signed and filed. Uh we will require the resultant parcel descriptions to be submitted to staff for review and approval. We'll need five paper and one miler copy signed by the owner before the chairman will sign. Uh the new deeds uh will be filed along with the map to be recognized at the county. And this is for revised map dated 101925 along with the recommendation that the architectural standards be used for new construction and that some variation of new uh structures became you said all that. Um all right. I'll make a motion that we approve item number two with all of the conditions and policies that Sue has illustrated. Matt Gillis with a second. Any questions? Okay. All in favor? I opposed.

Thank you. Thank you.

Good evening. You too. Take care, folks. Thank you. Thank you. Good spot.

Okay. Okay. Item number three is 60 and 64 South Washington Avenue. Special permit to operate in or auto oriented used car business section blocking letters 56.40-2-19.1 and two transet zone 23N- W 5. Vincent Perry is the applicant. Vincent and Sean Perry the owners. Um you folks can come up here. Anybody besides the applicant or owner wishing to speak on item number three? Okay. I'm I'm requesting that I um um I can Let's record show that Vincent Perry is here. So, I'm just going to put your name on the record.

I'm requesting that I can use my existing New York State license. Um this property at 60 64 South Washington Avenue in the garage for the purpose of basically for the office so I can do paperwork. So you originally had a dealership here on Broadway here though first and then you moved it to Broadway. That was from 60 2013. Yeah. That was built in in 2000. Okay.

So from nothing will change here with the exception that I I I'll be supplying local dealers with vehicles. Uh and occasionally if somebody comes to me for a vehicle, I'll supply that. But under New York State uh DMV law, I need to have a um uh zoning approval to move my license. And basically that that's what it's about. I want to maintain my license with existing insuranceances in advance because I'm going to go 2028 with that. But um there'll be minimal uh foot traffic. Like I said, there'll be no vehicles for display. There'll be mainly an office for paperwork. you know, when I buy and sell vehicles to other dealers he dealers

and I know that in my preliminary discussions with you, um, you did say that you were not going to have any vehicles really on so there's going to be no foot traffic, but this is basically I have to have an office to do the paperwork for New New York State and then, um, but ultimately whatever approval we have to do tonight has to meet with the zoning requirements if in fact it was going to be a fully operational cars on a lot per DMC. So if you do sell the place the next comes in, you know, that's we're going to be concerned with that tonight making question is a sundown where like once I don't own a property that cease. So is this

it the the uh the approval if we do approve goes with the property. Okay. All right. Unless you special permit though so change of ownership I wouldn't require it to come back. they just have to notify us, but the special permit gets renewed periodically. So, just that's that is a feature. Um, that being said, I mean, I don't anticipate that in the near future, but and with the renewals that can be addressed, right? Um, so just a couple quick. So, it's just you, correct? You don't have any other employees. There'll be no repairs. No propri basically I need the office space or paperwork

right so no mechanical work no washing of vehicles no oil changing no okay I mean there'll be zero footprint there's going to be no flooring I think okay so I know we had sent along some comments to you preliminarily have you had a chance to

some of it some of the answer to your question Okay. Okay. So, a couple of the um items we can we can go through. Um one is that because the garage fact I know you own both the properties but the garage sits on one parcel and then access to that is across the other. There will be a need to provide for a cross easement agreement.

Sure. for ingress and egress and also for the parking because you you are showing some parking on the one parcel to support the der the garage structure on the second parcel. Right? So cross easements will be something that is going to be required um with those two things. um with the parking the way it's been laid out um in our review as you might have read you do need to have um and federal law requires a handicap parking space. Sure. All right. So, we would suggest that one of the spaces that you have

set up alongside of your um alongside the house at 60. Yes. Be um dedicated for that and signed for that. Okay. Okay. So, that would be a recommendation. And then there was a recommendation because you have the garage doors. Um the way the angled parking is set up the garage um the one side, the one bag would effectively be pretty much um inaccessible if part that one parking space were right there. I can I can move that. That's not

that off off the plan alto together. Right. Next would be that um the code only allows for a certain dimension for ingress and egress curve cutwise. All right. So one of the suggestions at staff level was to take that sort of triangular area along the pettit avenue there where Kyla has her arrow. Right. Mhm. And create and just open that, remove the pavement there and just make that a grass area or a small landscaped area pulling in.

Yeah. And then that would help with your sheet draining of your storm water runoff as well. Okay. Um, another item that's required by the code is that you do have to have like a a screening fencing along the adjacent property line. And I know you have right now I believe it's the neighbor's fence. Yes, it is. So, you need to put up some there's a couple of trees there, but you need to put up more of a solid fence along that one portion of your property alongside your fence. Yeah. Okay. Or you can put shrubs in if you choose. Um, you know, that's that would be a long an opaque type of screening. All right. Sure.

Um, let's see. The other thing that we did see on the site planned is that there is a container. Yes, there is. That's now on the property right here. Um, right there. Right. That is not allowed under the zoning in the city. What What is the container? What do you use the container for? Just storage. Storage. Okay. Yeah, that is not container. Shipping containers are not allowed. Okay. Um, but it has to go. Has to go. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right.

Um, and I think the last thing that I'm going to mention, then I'll let the board, you know, ask you a couple questions, whatever. The signage. Now, I know you have to have a sign that has your name and your license facility number under the code because of the the transct that you're in. You're in more of a residential transct, right? Um, so under the code, you're not allowed to have a name plate larger than three square feet. I know it's not a sign is what is a sign. Food is a sign,

right? So, it's you're not allowed to have a wall sign and you're you're but you're allowed to have a name plate that's 3 square feet, which is 1x3. It's a lot lot smaller than what you've got there. DMV DMV just wants the name, phone number, and the facility number. My thought was for your purposes, if you're not going to really be an active kind of sales establishment, then just put a smaller sign up that needs that and then it's exempt and you're you're good to go. As long as it's got the information that the DMV needs or your license, right, then that's fine. Bring up this that pass, right? Yeah, that's the one we saw. Yeah. Yeah. But it would have to be smaller.

A little bit smaller. Yeah, it has to be 3 square ft. So the 2x3 is 6 square ft. So kind of half of that size. And that's all that I unless board members have other questions that you'd like to ask, Mr. Perry. not affect the uh

you have hours of operation that you're thinking of doing like by appointment by appointment. Yeah. Like up till what time? Like 5:00 and be done or working. Okay. This is semi And I know in the notes here that there's um the board should consider the limitation of the number of vehicles. Did you determine that can't be is that just govern spaces that are there? Take out one along the the house and and one So there's actually three. There'll be three there. Okay,

there'll be three left which three spaces outside would be is that sufficient? Sure. I mean there's no table for display maybe. Yeah, we have to we have to put down something here. So the handicap for three guards with that three three

and again even if even though he was not looking to do that kind of thing that we're looking to the future somebody else I know this is probably going to be a lot to remember tonight. I would need I would need to call them too if I was doing this like the next day. Um uh if you have any questions after this you can you know they're they're there to help you. So and uh a term for the special permit typically we do a one one year for the for the first year. Now, is this something that would come to the other board then at the does it govern by annual?

No. What would what will happen is um we were going to want to talk about doing it to an August date. So, just like an August of 27 date or 26 date to start and then it would come back administratively through the office. You don't come back to the board unless there are changes. um if there's any changes um you know if you want to put an addition on the structure or if you want to if you want to do whatever um then it has to come back to the board otherwise it's just office reviewed the 2026 date of August 2026

yeah that'll be just less of that any other questions Okay. Um, under seeker, it's also a type two action. So, um, no further review of the board is required for that.

Okay. Um, yeah, please.

Okay. So it would be approved special permit or valid through an August of 2026 date um with board policies 4A 6 and 18. Um it would be renewed administratively if there are no changes. Um and the site plan will be updated to provide for fencing or landscaping to be able to meet code along the adjacent property line with the residential neighbor. Uh the shipping container will be removed. Um a small landscape area will be added um in that triangular area along pedit to reduce the current cut and provide for storm water drainage collection. Um the parking will be reconfigured as we discussed adding a handicap parking space with the appropriate signage um along the house. Uh the sign for the business will be reduced to three square ft and cross easement agreements will be provided for the access and egress and parking and display if needed. Do

you have an number of cars in there too that I not three vehicles? Yes. Where's that? Is that behind a garage? Yeah. And what Sue has described here and we'll put that into the form of a motion to approve item number three. And with a second on that, any questions? Okay. All in favor? I oppose.

Thank you, fellas. Great. Take care. Okay, moving on to new business. Item number four is 296 290 and 312-322 East Strand site plan to establish a cultural institution in an existing building section block and lot is 56.36-1-1516 and 17 transet zone SD-W SD uh- wu uh 48 Hudson Valley Irish Cultural Center incorporated as the applicant hungry.

Dennis, you want to introduce your team here? I am Dennis Larios, engineer for the ICC proposal. Scott Dutton, architect for the ICC and Michael Morello, attorney. And there are several members of the uh Irish cultural team here tonight and I miss you. So thank you. Okay. Uh we have some visuals behind you. Um, you want to go ahead and

Yeah, this is an interesting site plan because the building is there already and the site improvements are largely there already and we're not allowed to do much on the property um due to DEC restrictions that may sunset um in a few years, but right now we're restricted on what we can do on the site as far as excavation and site work. So, um, this is Eastrand, the children's home, sits up here. Uh, this was formerly a Milan's recycling operation. Uh, Central Hudson Owns on the other side of the railroad tracks towards the Rondal. Um proposal is to uh renovate the existing building which sits at about 7 1/2 ft above the base flood elevation of the Rondout and Hudson uh which is good news and uh most of the street frontage here uh on the east end is above the base flood elevation. A lot of the east strand is not as you know but this particular stretch here is at the highest elevation of the strand proposal is uh there's a rear entrance investigule to the building now um the architect is designing a uh a lift and a new stairwell up uh and the investig I believe Scott's here to answer any questions on that. Um this is all pavement already. uh we would stripe it, create two ADA compliant uh spaces uh close to the lift. So we'd have the uh accessible path to the into the building from these spaces into the main rear entrance. And that rear entrance would be the main entrance into the building. I think you're probably all aware there's a garage door with a ramp into

the building in front and there's a step up to a door a couple steps up to a door here in the front off the strand as well. Um the only site work we were proposing was to uh we're allowed by by your code up to 20 spaces. Uh we have 13 existing and we were proposing seven gravel spaces to be placed with fabric and gravel uh so we wouldn't excavate on the site uh in this location. We understand there's a comment about that as far as we may have to lose two spaces to keep that 30 foot offset. Um, we're proposing some modest landscaping and I would say if allowed by DEC at this time. Um, and I know there's some comments about that. Um, there's a double gate here and there's a sliding gate here and there's a sliding gate down here off North Street. access to the Empire State Trail right now would be down North Street to to the trail. And I know there's some comments about that. Um, beautiful building and it's got a basement that is not above the base elevation, but is not intended for any planned use of improvement. Um, the improvements inside the building will be described by Scott when you're ready and we're here to also go through your comments, but if there's any questions out of the gate. Um,

um, you you talked about the DEC regulations will sunset. What can you what what does that entail? Well, there's a groundwater remediation that's occurred on the site and there's three or four wells. There are three wells. There were a total of 17 wells that have now been belisted. There are three wells that are under active monitoring present is that the DEC comes in and takes samples every now and monitor. No, we are required the owner is required to we produce a report and send it to the DEC. I think our next report is due date January 15th January.

But the good news I think Brian can tell you is the results that have come back are fairly.

Yeah. But what's fortunately what's happened over the years is that the contamination that were in those wells, this property has been completely remediated. Um, it runs from an uphill location towards the Roundup and then the levels of contamination have progressively going down and down every year uh to the point where we think that after maybe two years, 3 years of monitoring, we will be delisted. So when that occurs, um, you rip the band-aid off and just you can do whatever you want with the property. You still kind of right right now when it's listed as a category 4 use on the inactive hazardous waste registry by DC. That means it can be used for transitory use like this for um events or for gatherings, but no one you couldn't live there. You couldn't live there. We're probably according to Dean and I know the board knows Dean Dean Summers is a very uh very very good environmental attorney. He and his partner Rich Ostro were hired by um the ICC to look at where things stood with DEEC. The permit's been transferred over. Um we're in compliance with the regulatory factors. Deb Thompson has been working with us um too and uh I think you think that within one to three years we'll be completely delisted because we're those wells now are so close to normal. So So in the meantime, um that's a lot of space.

We're able to occupy it for this use that I mean if you want to have events over there that's allowed. Yeah. Uh, if you want to put tents up, you're going to have to drive something in this. That's that's okay. The as far as the disturbance go, Dean Dean wrote a letter that we used for financing purposes, too. In the letter, Dean said, "Look, as long as you're not disturbing the area, you have no issues at all."

Dennis has designed the plan to have virtually no disturbance. I mean, the only disturbance would be digging 6 in for landscaping, but I if that isn't allowed, we won't do that, you know, until we can. Okay. But even the even the parking area, right, Dennis, isn't going to be done.

Yeah. The other thing is we're uh proposing uh five uh LED lights off the back of the building and uh replacing the light fixture here off the side of the building with a new LED that will provide adequate uh dark sky level lighting um to the site um for for evening activity. So that's what I meant by sunset. When those numbers meet groundwater standards, you know, the listing should Okay, good. But it's not an automatic sunset until those

right numbers apply standards. So is there a vapor barrier that's been installed under in the site? Like when they removed all the soils, did they put a a vapor barrier there? I believe so, but I'm not fresh soil on top. I'm not familiar with the specifics of the remediation plant. I know there was a lot of removal, right?

Um whether a vapor barrier went down uh over the site. I know it didn't go down in this block um but to the to the east possibly u but I don't I don't believe so. Where where locationwise where are the remaining wells that are being monitored and then one two let's see one two three is one okay yeah they're showing on the plan okay and on the survey the lot that you reviewed last month

answer your question. There's not a vapor barrier, but they didn't bring in new fill and they did air quality monitoring until it met all the way air quality monitoring company. So they they did have um air pumps that were pumping air and sampling for four years. Okay. Thank you. Todd, do you want to just review the preliminary?

Sure. There uh there's not a lot going on in the interior of the building in the way of renovations. Um and we're still working out the exact placement of all the items. But what we did do is a thorough code review to determine the number of documents which determines the number of the basic program is like any other cultural center and bar place to dance and gather and have meetings and the requisite number of bathrooms. Now, we might slush those bathrooms around. I'm confined in a few, but that's it. The building, as you know, is eligible to be listed on the National and State Register of Historic Places. Uh we did that for a specific purpose, that is to navigate a path in the existing building code, state of New York. um allows us to leave exposed brick for instance and existing what we call Xcam features um with without that designation we'd have to cover up all those features which would be sad

is that are you talking about some of the the industrial features in correct correct I mean most notably the the exposed brick exterior walls you know covered over so we saw and petitioned New York State for what called a DOE termination of eligibility. Um, but as far as I'm we aware, we there are no plans to seek a designation, but the eligibility in and of itself allows for a path in the existing road for us to keep those features on anymore. And that has been um the the day of or the day after we received it, I sent a copy to planning historic and to building department and that's been publicly posted on city square. Now I can't help but to refer to some of the proposals for the the old project. Um I know um like some of the events that were I don't know if you're able to speak about that. I'm about to ask over here like there were you looking to have classes for your dancing. Can you wind down what your plans is? It's going to basically mirror what you were looking to do over on the other site.

Pretty much we're we're conducting magpite lessons now. Uh we we are conducting language classes. Uh we sponsor a trans session not on site. It was at the old Savannah. That's one time or preconstitute. So that might be made up. Uh we're going to be doing some steping and then we'll have meetings because right now you have your meetings at the White Eagle, right? Is that where this will be? Yeah, we'll be will be going. This will be there. Yes.

Okay. Let's just touch on some logistics. Um I know about the lift. There was some conflicting issues between site plan. You know what happened there is I got my site plan few weeks before. Okay.

Scott had a chance to uh take a hard look at you know the lift in the rear stairwell. So I have identified kind of in the circle on an arrow of ADA compliant lift by architect. So I will um make my site plan totally match Scott's uh plans for that rear entrance which includes a lift. Okay. And then the floor plans there was a little bit. Yeah, we have a clerical error with between the lower level and the upper level. But I I can walk you through all of that. The intention is that you go

from the parking lot directly into this vestibule. Right. There's a set of stairs that you can go up or you can choose to use the platform with which is not a elevator but it's an ADA compliant lift that would get you up not quite a full full story but 2/3 of story and you'd be in the main space. Okay. And the equipment won't the equipment will be above the flood regulations. Okay. That's a side mounted. It's there's no pit. There's no line. Yeah. No machine room or electrical.

There's no no calling for an exterior ramp or anything. Correct. It wouldn't be too long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. And the historic eligibility there, does that affect anything what you're doing inside?

No constraints uh whatsoever. It just it's the state recognizing that um it is a building that would be that is eligible and if and if uh they don't unlike other projects um that we brought before the board where we sort of tax credits uh we would go through the full state and federal listing but that's not a part of the FCC and I You you mentioned in your comments Sue about flood regulations and uh so the machinery for that lift would be well 2 ft plus probably 18 in above the base the new state building code added about 18 in of tile areas

okay above the normal 2 ft. So um so that'll be protected and sold above that elevation which will be that at elevation 12 above sea level elevation the site is 8 ft above the green sea and the building that finished floor building at 15.56 shape. Um what about signage? Has there been any thought or discussion on any type of signage for the building or not yet? You know, typically we'll let the sign company and the applicant work that out.

Okay. Um and uh whichever sign company is let them make their own separate application. And what about garbage recycling site plan? Uh the first cut did not include a uh an area for collection which we would put down in this corner so we wouldn't lose any parking. And that'll be on the buy set that will come following this meeting. Um there'll be a dumpster location uh with an enclosure.

Since you have that up, can you talk about like the public access? I mean with the new code, one of the things that the code forbase code and the waterfront overlay um is looking to achieve is providing the access through where the cross streets come down in this area. So you got um a ruin directly kind of across your one entryway. And so one of her comments was to provide for a easement through your property uh following that B Street right ofway towards the uh all the way to the trolley line there and create a pedestrian potential pedestrian connection or link there to that trail. Um, and ultimately when the neighboring property comes in for a development proposal, a portion of their land would be added to that easement area, creating a a nice broad um, walkway or pathway to be permanently developed.

Can what you say still be accomplished by going around to North Street? Does it have to go? Well, I'm just the way the code the code reads public access easements. Um, and that was one of the, you know, we were just trying to figure out a way to do it respectfully of the site and, you know, with the the sight lines to follow those streets that are on the opposite side of the strand. Well, it creates some sight security issues. I defer to the ICC and their attorney to talk, you know, to talk about,

you know, I don't I'm not a big I'm not big at giving public easements, you know, with private property. I for a lot of reasons and

one of them is security, another is insurance. Um there's a lot of there's a lot going on with public access easements. So um that was actually probably the thing when we had our internal meeting today we probably talked about the most is is that requirement under the formbbased code because I don't know that that requirement is lawful. Um, but and I'm willing to, you know, we can talk to the applicant about what they want to do if there's a place that's less intrusive or whatever. Um, or I can, you know, I've we've certainly had this before. I could write a memorandum to, you know, council and to the board about, you know, the the nature of public easements and requiring them as part of the approval process. But is that something that can be dynamic street? It's nuts, you know. I mean if you you look at the the code where the code is written that I can show the ain a minimum 12 point continuous trail. This is obviously to ultimately when all the properties get developed, you have that network of rail systems that will connect all together and

you'll have that extended um act those extended access points. Site public access easement is required to provide public access to the existing street network and view corridor to round out creek at the terminus of existing perpendicular intersecting public street rightways. It would be the street across the street there. We can we can discuss it further with the applicants and our corporation council if we were just applying the code. Sidewalks on blue street there.

Yes. Well, there are none on the strand. None on the strand but the hills. I mean I think it warrants further discussion but I kind of the maintenance issue the land item just the one being hose it's on that property line adjacent to the next running it down that property line I think what Sue is asking is it to come through here you're talking about reserving 660 from this and then by the

and then the other gets developed, but that from that will cut into your access into the park. Yeah. And also would create a problem with the proposed refuge collection area. See, that kind of does not fit with this parcel. Yeah, that's a good question. The um how wide must this access be? It must be 6 ft, 4 ft, 3 ft. Um the code says 12. Code says 12. 12 in what?

Yeah, that is I mean that is what is written in the city code and so we were you know that's why we were thinking to split it with the adjacent property would be the best way to approach this and accommodate it. Um, in our notes, we also recognize that the new code only provides for one per cut per parcel. This currently has three. So, that was another, you know, reason why we suggested that was to be able to maybe remove one of those along the strand and that would um that would remove that issue. Um I mean there's you know some discussion I think we can we can have further on it but just trying to look at how it apply code requirements.

Well I guess my question would be you know th those two accesses to the to the east are are important for the operation of the site. Um, one would be one or both will be closed to the public most of the time. Um, but an existing industrial site where the site improvements in the building have already been constructed. Does that give any um

Well, you could could you do one way traffic flow versus two-way and then you would have maybe that space to put a sidewalk in public or pedestrian pathway. And we be seating the six ft of our property to the city. Is that what you're saying? be an easement. We would own

it would be an easement. No, you would still own it. It would just be an easement, public access easement. So yeah, I mean it's all of the all of the properties along the waterfront as they get developed are going to be required to do similar um and actually in the old zoning code there was a very similar structure as well which is why you do see on the maritime museum there's that halfway that runs along the water and that connects behind now the place they're um where they they bought the Rositas that connects there behind there And it actually goes extends to old Savannah. So I mean those were done in pieces over the years as those properties became developed. And

well the only concern here is that it doesn't take you to the water. U I understand that trail system along the trolley which does take you to the right. Right. Goes to the water. So the you keep referring to the access coming out of this street here, but this is our property here too. If we developed a strip here 12 ft wide on our property, does that meet your requirement? The code I think the code specifically requires the streets to continue across. Right. Well, there's a street

the Well, the code speaks to one street. It would be more than one. Yes, I think that's the way it work.

I think we'll have to convene on that issue. Okay. Yeah. No, it needs discussion. I ordered um so let's talk about some of the other comments. The other thing on the at least and I still know it. You're asking for the fence to come down. The whole side is fenced now at 6 foot.

Yeah. I mean it, you know, obviously the fence has been there. Um the fence in the gate and this could the prior ownership. Um it is actually encroaching into the public right of way. Um so it was a question if you were going to make improvement and model that if you were going to be replacing that it would have to be located back on your property line and it can only be 4 ft high um along the street. So just know that. Um

we could leave it like it is though, right? So because it's pre-existing. Yeah, I mean it it's there. You know, um East Strand is going to be going uh through some improvements. Um I know timing project. Um but know that that could come down as far as that project. Certainly I think feeling was to work with the city on that issue in the near future plans and I'm not sure how much of that pot of of funds going to uh elevate um

yeah I don't I know it goes the streets and the property project ends at North Street so right now but this particular at least most of the stretch of the strand here is is the least in need of getting it moves to right so the other the other issue you know and I don't know again it's how the holy strand ultimately gets redesigned but the encroachments that are there which you've got a stoop that encroaches out into that public right of way those kinds of elements will also eventually maybe be replaced with something else in the redesign I don't think so

um so you need to just be aware of that Um, but the landscaping that you do show in the public right away, we we can't allow it to be a fully landscaped area. We do need to maintain that for pedestrian access um along the front. I mean, I do agree it's probably a nice feature, but we have Well, the only issue there is right now it's lawn. Huh. Right now it's the lawn. It's a grass strip in front of the building from here to here. Oh, all the way all the way all the way to the north. Yeah, this is the only area that's not right here in front of the entrance. Um, so

you can't you can't add I think you added shrub, which is only we just had uh a mulched area with with some use. We can take them out if you want, but if you're asking us to build the sidewalk there, that's that's another that would be another discussion. And if you're planning to raise the strand and do significant improvements, it wouldn't make too much sense to build a sidewalk now, have to rip it out two or three years. So,

no, but we can't put obstacles in it. So you you don't mind if then if we just left this the way it is because we're not sure we'll be allowed to plan anything yet anyway until that decision is lifted. So um we can we can take this proposed landscaping out but like I said that is currently grass median. We will again uh remove these two spaces to get the 30 feet set back. That'll take our total parking down from 20 to 18.

And we could keep going. Does everybody understand why the parking I mean it was in the notes. So why the parking is being reduced because of septac requirements under the code? Um do you have um any plans to do any um bike parking? We are happy to add bike rack to the site. Okay. Is still racks? I don't know. riding.

Where would the rack have to go? Where would the Rex have to do it? Where would you want that around the back by the back entry? I It's probably Well, could that go in the 30 foot or would that have to be in that back? That can go in the 30 foot. Yeah, if you want to put them out front of the right of way, you just have to get the approval of the city in here. Okay. So, we could look at this area or this area where we're removing. Yeah.

Okay. Trail signage. space. I don't know if you got any questions. I had it um as you know, you mentioned during the review, we had it listed as a type two action for adaptive reuse. It also type two for less than 4,000 square ft of gross floor area.

Right. The only the only thing I was thinking about is that if we need waivers, it would kick it out of the type two and make it an unlisted for for a waiver of um waiver for the the curb cuts. I don't know. I don't know that that makes it out of type two. Why would it not?

Um because I believe um speaker what is consistent with the 4,000 square foot where it's consistent with local land use controls. Yeah, that's a 4,000 foot one, right? The adaptive reuse doesn't have any doesn't have any of that language in it. It says if you're you're adaptive Yeah.

using formally industrial or commercial premises that that that it applies type two. I think smart by DEC because what they want, what DEC has said that they want is these buildings to be adapted for reused and and repurposed, right?

Um because of less of a carbon footprint. You're not building new and preserving historic structures, things of that nature. And I mean I still I would also say to the board too there's a lot of issues that may be environmental issues under secret that are still endemic part of site plan visual traffic that they're all site plan issues s I mean that so it's not like we can escape review of things that will be important to the board if it was done to Does this does the board of always have a public hearing state plan? Is that

okay? Public hear it's not required under the law. It's it's at the discretion of the board. Let me go back and um just to reiterate that there's no employees here. This is all volunteer driven and it's there's no regular hours. It would be an event basis and classes those kind of things. um getting the meetings but more like a almost like a house lodge kind of you know as far as comprom the same. What is your membership number?

Ah is about 130 million like everybody else. Just curiosity question. I'm still stuck in the uh public access section. I think there's something Russian. I know. But but I think part of the discussion, what I'm just thinking about now is you're going to have a walkway going the public access that trail that goes along the tracks. You're going to have to cross the tracks to get to it. Right.

So what goes in there? A crossing or what? No, just walking on the tracks every says the tracks all the time. Two question. Has there been any discussion with central Hudson? I I have not had any. And does does the does that access have ADA requirements to it too? Yes. There you go. There's your now you got crossing tracks. I I'm just stuck on that. I you crossed the tracks further when you walked down North Street in there. What? You crossed the tracks.

Yeah, but at least there's pavement here. There's definitely some issues that go in further discussion with my office. Yeah. So, the pedestrian access two have to resolve with you. Yeah. I mean, I didn't really there was one on North Street either. Well, that would that's that's a gate from the scrap metal operation. Yeah. So, it's not

Well, we would like to have the two cisting curve cuts on each side of the building that are there. Okay. So, that would be your I want to say minor but the major was important. Oh, and and 30 foot. But the two entrances are the CEO make a determination on pre-existing nonconforming the CEO is on the enforcement make a determination on pre-existing

um well I can tell you that it's been made in the past that it's the one gets closed up when they come through the process. Anybody else have questions of looking this up? I don't need to.

And the rest of the parcel will be where your bed station. Minor favor. Dennis and Scott minor waiver. So that's a staff review. Yeah, that's Yeah. Well, we'll we'll definitely follow up with Matt, you know, on these issues. And then I guess we'll should we request formally to be on the next board meeting or Okay, that's part of the note. You're developing a performance bond stuff.

Yeah, the the limited site work that we can do is uh put a bond estimate together. Um you want to include the lighting building mounted lighting with that or Yeah. Okay. Can I see exterior? No. Can I ask the board if the feelings are public hearing or not public hearing? I mean, yeah, I haven't recommended one. I don't know that there's any other one. So it's conceivable if we get our work done and to you and those issues with our council are reconciled the possibly getting approval. Yes sir.

Yes. And one last question. The historic Kingston waterfront Costco LLC I know they were saying development plans being proposed not that long ago but were they talking about eastern? I have not seen anything. Nothing's coming in. That's next door. Yeah, that's going all the way all the way to the corner. Land across the street. Yes. We're dating ourselves then. Valor. Any other questions from the board right now?

Okay. Um, thank you. Um the hearing is time. I'll make a motion that we [Music] table item number four. Have a second. Second by Vince Archer. All in favor? I next meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Next meeting is Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Oh no. That's all right.

45. [Music] Do you want to sit? You enjoying yourself? I mean, whatever. If you can be quick. I don't want to jump. Well, this will be interesting.

We're going to jump ahead to item number seven waiverss 111 Down Street. Major waiver request to install 6T fence uh along property line where 4T is maximum. And it's section 405.4. 14 I1 section blockus 48.33-4-15 transexo T4N word to Eliza Edge and Henry Fiper are the applicant owners are you Eliza I am welcome

thank you so interesting everybody um so yeah we started putting together in our backyard a fence and then

um met a um someone told us that that wasn't going to be possible. So, you can see in another photos, I guess if you scroll down the we're just like proposing a backyard fence here. Um if you go but it's it's actually 50 ft from the corner of the existing corner. So, we don't intend to fence. Yeah, great. This is great. Uh we don't intend to fence anywhere around the corner. There's about 50 ft from where the fence would start, a 6ft fence. Um, but apparently current code because it's a corner lot means you can't have the 6ft fence along this sidewalk here. Um, so that's why I'm here today.

So, in your package, you have the waiver checklist form. filled in obviously general information in the transport is filled in there as well that go through the questions by watching and then answer those and then one do we have to verbalize each one of three things you're going have to answer yes or no applicable.

Yeah. just go item by item now. Um, the applicant has included a waiver request letter that clearly identifies and describes the waiver being proposed accompanied by plans and or other vision representations as applicab site looked at this application that's been on there and um she has submitted um her reasoning um and described the waiver. Um, also explaining that I guess you're taking the chain lane fence down and all that as well.

Yeah, eventually we'll just cut that cut that out. Yeah, it's filled with poison ivy and Virginia creeper. So, yeah.

Okay. So, that's a yes on that. Yeah. Uh in their letter, the applicant describes in detail why the waiver is needed and how the waiver request is consistent with the intent, design, and compatibility of the transex zone in which the project is located. Yes. Will granting the waiver contribute to the realization of the overall intent of the transex zone and result in an improved project which will be attractive and durable contribution to the transex zone. So the removing of fence that is no longer allowed and installing something that is

no the fence the fence that's there is fine. Oh, we're going into the because it's fine, but it wouldn't be if we put it in now as I understand code, but it's it's um the backyard. It's more

Okay, so that is a yes. uh to support walkable neighborhoods and/or mixeduse centers. The project emulates the neighborhood context for how far the buildings or buildings relate to the sidewalk, how the facade is designed, and how the building interacts with the street. I can provide a little context of like when we bought this house from the city land bank, it was unoccupied off the the tax rules and we bought it. We totally put love and care into it. There was it was actually like a squatter was living in it for about 5 years. So if it's any part to that, this has been like a I would argue a benefit to the community in terms of the way it looks. The fence just sort of this added little privacy to the to the home,

but it's a hard question. Thoughts board members speak up. Does it fall into the NA on this thing or is this I would say, you know, I would say yes because it it's the context of creating the the connection of the building to the street. The fence being the connection between the building.

No, it's you removing the one fence and you're replacing it with another. But you're not the context of the street. Go. Go. Yes. Yes. The project supports a green and resilient future by for example reducing vehicular miles travel providing green infrastructure indoor street trees and are including high quality usable open space

that would be not applicable. The project supports incremental development patterns in its size and density and supports infill development or the reuse of existing buildings. That's an NA, right? Yes. H that's a yes. We could have torn the thing down and we bought it, but we didn't. But related to events project supports the provision of a variety of housing types to support a range of income levels, age groups, and family units. That's not applicable.

The project specifies street design that is walkable and bikable and will reinforce safe and comfortable environments for all users. and say yes fast.

All right. Well, thanks. So, does that that is our determination. There's no motion in second to this. No, you had to make a motion to recommend to recognize that. Recognize the checklist. All right. So, at this time, there's no seeker or anything. So, seeker, this is a type through action. No further review of the board is required if that's with that. Um, at this time, I'll make a motion that we approve the major waiver request for item number seven. a second. All in favor? I opposed car. Thanks everyone.

Thank you. Sorry. Thank you.

Yeah. Elizabeth Street to initiate a coordinated review and proceed for site plan and three major waivers existing building and construct a new section block 56 determination transex 4 and w three Ol County Kingston schools are the owners. Uh ma construction is the applicant. Hi. Introduce yourself please. Tyler Farmer senior planner planning department. And at this time, Andrew Harris will be recusing himself from deliberation to the county.

Yes, sir. Okay. Um are we just going to do the Yeah. So since we met last month um the applicants us and said that they would like to go through the coordinated review process um we enlistic action. So, we did get a um a set a schedule a um we still have a couple questions on that. Okay.

So, we can go through those. Um the question that said the only funding source we see is governments and community affordable membership opportunity. Is that the only funding? There'll be three main funding sources. First will be affordable home ownership opportunity program. The second will be philanthropic donation to cover portion of the project and the third funding for really nice will be the mortgages themselves. Okay. Yeah. So that would be the one involved. Yeah. Yes. All right. So we need that.

Perfect. Um and then that won't work tonight obviously. And then um I had a question um about DOS was listed which we will include but are they actually making a determination on the modular compliance or is that the building safety division that does that? Um I think because they're modular it goes to DS. That's my understanding. I mean I'll keep that maybe just a question that I they but they are sending plan the specific modular plan from the factory to state for approval for modular you could consider ministerial but it's better than notifying.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's all the questions I had on that. any development with school districts. Before we turn to that, I think the one that you saw that wasn't on there interested even though we have a determination that um I might have added that they're typically not considered a law agency. They're an overheadation agency, but we always we always treat this as reported. No, I can add them. I don't have Yeah. from them already building, but it's always been

um in terms of the school district continued coordination um 100% approval. Um, in terms of support from the board itself, um, perhaps, uh, Gonz talked about this last month, but the c the recommendation from their council is a, um, a lease agreement at first and then a sale, but the sale has to be done through referendum. I think we talked about this at the site. So, uh, it is with their council right now drafting that and then approval from the from the school board. Um, okay. With the plan to move forward with anticipated timeline at all

um, or sooner rather than later. We understand that the board's interest on that lease agreement and it would be a continuing lease with renewal, right? Depending upon how long the school district can lease for. And then what we're going to do is go through a u go through the the necessary referendum to acquire the property by Eastman. Um and we have the support from the board. We just need the support from the public in order to do that and set that up. But you were asking about tangling from the school board on the lease agreement. Right. On the lease.

Yeah. We're reminding them every couple days. You know, they got a lot going on and I think beginning of the school year was, you know, so it's a little punch. So now that referendum would coincide with their Yes. Be the earliest time. Okay. Yeah. We we went through this kind of went through this when we acquired the Soie F building. Um we had to go through a referendum and we're acquired.

So we've been through it before. We understand. question just uh on our site visit. Sorry. There was a question about why the um porch is on the north side rather than the south side and I discussed that with the architects and they said just confirming one it is southern exposure for all the units for um for yes light and then

we on on the north side to protect against exposure from wind other in the winter time. Okay. Yeah. Good.

All right. So, I have a resolution here. Uh resolution of the city of Kingston Planning Board to seek designation of lead agency for 21 Elizabeth Street for a portion of 67 Wall Street. section block and lot is 56.124-1-12 and 56.124-1-1 in the seeker process under 6NYCRR part 617 whereas MEA construction the applicant has submitted a completed short environmental assessment form to the city of Kingston planning board to demolish the existing building and construct a new 15 unit multiplex with supporting infrastru structure and improvements which is the action and whereas the project is located at 67 Wall Street section blocking lot 56.124-1-12 and 56.124-1-1 Kingston New York and whereas the application was identified as an unlisted action under Seagar however due to the number of agencies involved in the review the board and the applicants are choosing to initiate a coord coordinated review to seek the designation of lead agency. And whereas a determination of the significance of the action on the environment must be made in order to comply with the New York State Environmental Conservation Law, which is the Seeker Act, and the regulations promulgated there under the regulations by the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. And whereas the city of Kingston planning department is in coordination with the applicant are identifying a list of involved and interested agencies based upon the information submitted. Now therefore be it resolved by the city of Kingston plane board as follows. Section one that the action is determined to be an unlisted action as

defined in 6NYCRR part 617.4 of the seeker act and a coordinated review must be undertaken. Section two, that the city of Kingston Planning Board desires to establish itself as lead agency in the environmental review process. Section three, that the planning department is directed to circulate a request to all involved and interested agencies seeking concurrence with the designation of the Kingston Planning Board as a lead agency for the seeker review of the action. In section four, that this resolution shall take effect. This time I'll make a motion that we adopt this resolution. Any question on Nope. Uh second by Chuck Palco. Uh Wayne Platt is a yes. Charles Palco.

Yes. Matthew Gillis. Yes. Vince Archer. Yes. Okay. This is approved. Adopted. Yes. Just one question. When you do this, Sue, do you normally uh coordinated actions that aren't type one? You normally file a crucial regional director. No, even if it's unlisted. Um, do we have usually even for unlisted actions? Even though it's not required, we don't we don't file. I have them on there. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. We'll see you soon. Y Okay.

Thank you. Does that deserve a table? No. We're doing this one that said chef

next we'll be doing like that lawyer that lawyer All right, welcome back.

Thank you. Andrew Harrison rejoin too works all the time. Okay. Um, item number six, still under old business, 25 prong alley, request planning board to initiate coordinate review of the seeker site plan for a mixed residential development with some commercial workspace. Section block is 48.314-1-12. Seeker determination transex zone T5N war 2 GBC Kingston LLC is the applicant owner. Um yeah, this is basically the same. Um since the last meeting, they reached out and said that they are interested in us doing um coordinated review as an unlisted action. So they gave us a listing to start working off of for schedule A. Um, we've developed it. Questions on this one that we double check with members.

All right. Um resolution of the city of Kingston planning board to seek designation to lead agency for number 25 frog alley section block and lot is 56.124-1-12 in the secret process under 6NYCRR part 617 whereas GBC Kingston LLC's the applicant has submitted a completed short environmental assessment form to the city of Kingston planning board construct a mixed Those two construct a mixed residential development. The action and whereas the project is located at 25 frog alley section block and lot of 56.124-1-12 New York and whereas the application was identified as an unlisted action under seeker. However, due to the number of agencies involved in the review, the board of the the board and the applicants are choosing to initiate a coordinated review to seek the designation of lead agency. And whereas a determination of the significance of the action on the environment must be made in order to comply with the New York State Environmental Conservation Law, the Seeker Act, and the regulations promulgated there in Corenza regulations by the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. And whereas the city of Kingston planning department in coordination with the applicant are identifying a list of involved and interested agencies based upon the information submitted. Now therefore being resolved by the city of Kingston planning word as follows. Section one that the action is determined to be an unlisted action as defined in 6 NYCRR part 617.4 of the seeker act and that coordinated review must be undertaken. Section two, that the city of Kingston planning board desires to establish itself as lead agency in the environmental review

process. Section three, that the planning department is directed to circulate a request uh to all involved and interested agencies seeking concurrence with the designation of the Kingston Planning Board as a lead agency for the seeker review of the action. And section four of this resolution shall take effect immediately. At this time, I'll make a motion that we approve the resolution appointed by Prague Alien. Andrew Harris with a second. Any questions on the motion? All in favor? Wayne Plat is a yes. Charles Palco, yes. Matthew Gillis, yes. Vincent Archer, yes.

Andrew Harris, yes. This is a What are you going to do with your time tonight? You got to leave here so early. Yeah, I know. I'll figure it out. Yeah, it's early one night. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, another one doing one more. Okay. Uh, item number eight, uh, discussion. Letter of support request from planning board. Matter of support for grant application to New York State Office of Parks, Recreation, and Historic Preservation or Historic Preservation Plan and Historic District Design Guidance. Yeah.

I like it. You might basically school.

It's a It's a certified local government grant um that the city is seeking parks um to establish as saying a comprehensive historic preservation plan and citywide sort of the design guidelines. So it means steer CJ review committee on behalf of the city of Kingston County Board. I am pleased to extend our support to the city of Kingston's application for a 2025 certified local government grant to fund a 36 CFR61 preservation consultant to craft the city's first historic preservation plan and concurrently create citywide historic design guidelines. City of Kingston is on the traditional homelands of the Esopus band of the Muniel Gangquin speaking Lape people. In the early 17th century, Dutch explorers established a small trading post on the western bank of the Hudson. And by the mid7th century, the Dutch built the stockaded village of Wilick in land to the west. Kingston is notable for two 17th century armed conflicts between the people and the colonial Dutch settlers. it 1777 designation as New York State's first capital being burned by the British in 1777 and in the 19th century being a leading center for brick blue stone and concrete production. Kingston is also notable for transportation via the DNH canal, the DNL Railroad and the Cornell Steamboat Company. Collectively, the city contains 300 years of architecture, architecture, culture, Native American, colonial, Dutch, English, African, and more, and the Hudson River Valley community development across its urban corridors, formal industrial buildings, and residential neighborhoods. We understand that based on preservation consultant recommendations in 1987, 2001, 2014, and in the Kingston 2025 comprehensive plan, the city seeks to develop an equity-based historic preservation plan

to addend to the comprehensive plan and establish city-wide historic design guidelines to assist historic property stewards, developers, and the local government with appropriate rehabilitation treatments for the community's historic resources. Kingston's unique social, cultural, and architectural history warrants the development of a comprehensive engaged and equitable approach to preserving its heritage for the local community, New York State, and the nation. The historic preservation plan and historic design guidelines will provide the local government and residents with greater tools and a pathway forward for rehabilitating and maintaining valuable community assets for generations to come. Planning board undertakes a broad variety of development projects which shape the municipality Having additional guidelines and objectives for preservation will assist our decision-making process and reviews more more respectful of the historic fabric and cohesive with community- based objectives. The city of Kingston planning board strongly and enthusiastically urges the office of parks and historic preservation to support the city of Kingston's request for funding. Sincerely D. Plant, junior chairman planning board. I just need to make a motion to authorize Wayne to sign that letter. Do you agree with it? Um that's really all

we did have a CLG grant a while ago to develop the historic guidelines. In fact, there was pamphlets maybe for that. Yeah, we've had multiple actually the city has been um a recipient of multiple CLG grants

um certified local government program. Um at one point, yes, we did brochures and maps of the historic districts. Um we uh more more recently did a intensive level survey of open Wilbur and the Milwaukee neighborhoods. Um and based on that Wilbur is now designated as a local historic district. Um and we obtained another CLG grant to engage a consultant to undertake the um nomination to the national and the state level for that district. So that is a project underway right now. This would be another CLG grant and then we'll probably look to do some copy as well. So or somewhere else. So

um we have a motion to um accept the letter and authorize chairman to sign it. Is he able to make that motion or what do you do? I'll make for the motion. Matt Gillis with a second. Okay. All in favor? I Okay. Post. All right. There you go. Do you want to sign that?

We have any other business for the body? Uh, no. Vince Archer with a motion to adjurnn. A second gills with a second. All in favor? I post.