Planning Board - Regular Meeting

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Evening and welcome to the city of Kingston planning board meeting. Uh today is March 16, 2026. My name is Suzanne Kahill. I'm the planning director for the city of Kingston. Um before we start the meeting, I just want to go through a few quick announcements. Um if you have a cell phone, I'm just going to ask that you please put on silent so that it does not interfere with the meeting. Um if we have an emergency, we just ask that you please use the stairs and not the elevator. If you need assistance, ask and we will help. Um I want everybody to know that this meeting is being live streamed and being recorded. So uh please respect that. If you have any conversations um that are not with the planning board itself, we just ask that you please take them outside of the room. Uh the council chambers and uh conference room 2 are available. Um the bathrooms are through the council chambers and men's is to the left and women's to the right. And with that, I'm going to open the meeting at 6:03 p.m. and turn it over to Chairman Platt to introduce other members and staff.

Okay. Thank you, Suzanne. All right, as Sue mentioned with introductions, my name is Wayne Platt. I'm the chairman. We also have members Charles Balco, [clears throat] Matt Gillis, Vince Archer, Andrew Harris, and Kyra Grundy. [clears throat] Uh you've met Suzanne P. Hillary, the city planner, the planning director. Kylin Date is the assistant planner. And we also have alderman Ruth Katz was the common council leaison to the planning board. Uh let's see here. [clears throat] Item number one. Yeah. Is the adoption of the February 17th, 2026 planning board meeting minutes. Everybody's had an opportunity to take a look at them. Any deletions, additions, corrections? Seeing none, I will make a motion that we adopt those minutes. Do I have a second? Second by Andrew Harris. All in favor? I oppose. Paris. [clears throat]

Um Andrew, you are chair of your seat here. Andrew, you're okay. So you're sitting in skip. Yes. Just recognize that they are right now. Jump to

Yeah. For old business item number two, 485 Broadway. The applicant is not here at this time. So they show that they're back to them. We're going to jump ahead to new business. It was um bedroom number three4 Fairmont Avenue site plan to convert an existing basement storage space uh to an additional one-bedroom unit and waiverss from required submission. Section block and lot 56.22-6-16 22-6-16 Secret of termination transexs own SD-mouth board Steven Bernie Goldman is the applicant of Paramount Estates LLC as the owner.

Hello there. Hello state your name for the record please. John Stein Meer [clears throat] I didn't even know that these folks acquired this complex. I just found out a little while ago. I used to live there a long time ago. Yeah. How you doing? Good. All right. Um, we got some pictures behind you there, but fire area. What do you got going on?

So, this is a kind of an underutilized space. It's kind of a a vacant or storage space. It's not not very well used in the lower level of one of the units um that we're going to convert to a single bedroomedroom dwelling unit. So are there there are other um basements in this complex or there are other basement units in the complex not in this particular building. The rest of the building is a crawl space. Okay. So there's no other opportunity for more units in this particular building. Okay. And so storage [clears throat] that was the space was being used for is just going to be accommodated.

Yeah, there's there's like other shop space like for for maintenance stuff. There's a whole area that's got really not necessary. Okay. For storage. U so just a rear access. Um, how how do you and how do you think that the numbering like the unit numbering or just emergency response? How how are they going to mail or something or whatever? How do you think that's going to um probably would have to be stopping zero topics to lower level units. Okay.

Cuz basically right now all of the in the fair in in the complex to the Kulasac they all follow Fairmont Avenue address and they're all like street entrance street level entrances. So there is a path down to this and down in between two buildings and around to the bottom. So there's a there's an accurate entrance. Yeah. You [clears throat] have a picture of that entrance. So it may wind up being apartment C

whatever I guess 911 with public county emergency you probably would want some kind of input

on how it's identified just so right Is there water and sewer already to this location? There there is water. [clears throat] Are there any other mechanicals or is it just that there's one unit that are located up there? Um this the sewer line is underneath the slab right now. Go up, you know, pick a section of that up and cut into it and connect into it to move out. So the tour line's already there. You know, where else is there the building? Now, is there anything else like HVAC or anything else that would serve this in Syri? Great. There's a central heating system, central hot water boilers. So, we're just going to tap it. So, the heating is paid by the landlord.

Okay. So, just boilers. They're not here. They're not. They're there actually at the far end of the other far end of the There's 10 units in this building. to the far end of the building and the existing windows are big enough that they No, we're proposing um like the bedroom has to have an egress window. So, we're propos proposing one of these a larger window and then it has to meet your requirements for building code for egress. Um we'll have to build one of those little bulkheads on the outside. Okay,

that's in the in the architectural lands. the the the back side is at grade, but the front side of the of the unit is six feet below grade. Yeah. So, and and you you probably had consultation with building safety already about this, right? But we have we have an idea. Oh, yeah. But we haven't submitted the plan to them. If we submit to them, they're just going to kick it back to you guys. All right. I'm just I mean I don't know if there's are they do you think they're going to need to do anything like uh extraordinary are they going to require sprinkling this I don't know

you should they shouldn't based on it's an existing building and we're less than 50% of the work area but the total building so it's going to go should not be required cuz then the rest of the building is not it's not no what does the additional you now add now to the total number of units there's 10 now So, this will be 11. And I see there's uh the payment will park land that's attached to this one. Did you know you don't let

Yes. Yes. [clears throat] of the space like an existing um

well you you guys can pull it up by your computers too but the share. I think I put them in the nose, too. Nice. It has some natural light. Yeah, it has some. Yeah.

And they're fairly large. So, you'll frame out over the walls. Yeah. We framed it fully insulated. Are there any are there floor drains in this space now or anything like that? It's just a slab then. Correct. Correct. And do you know if there's a current NOX box on the building right now? I don't know that. Okay. I'm presuming there is, but I don't know that there may not be on this one. Yeah. I think this is the first time it's been touched in quite a while that trigger it. So,

okay. [clears throat] What are they putting down on the floor? Probably put sleepers down and insulated in between them and then B just so that they're not right on the floor itself. How high is the ceiling you have? Oh, it's like 76. Minimum building is 7 ft. So, it's in excess of that. And what what is in the utility room? Is it all the electric meters?

All the electric meters. So it's there's no chemical storage, no mechanicals that would generate noise or anything. All the electric meters are Okay, great. straightforward. There's no special. Anybody else have any other questions? How about staff? Good.

No. Okay. Okay. [clears throat] Um under seeker, it's an unlisted action. So I have before me a short environmental assessment board that staff has indicated is in order. Um, I'll make a motion that we approve it. Do I have a second? Second by Chalco. All in favor? Wayne Plat is a yes. Carl Palco, yes. Matt Gillis, yes. Vince Archer, yes. Andrew Harris, yes.

All right. Um, we have conditions and policies. Yes. So I have board policies 6, 7, 20, 23, and 24. 23 is not that in. And also we condition the community to work with county 911 for input on identification for emergency responders access. Um the room will be connecting uh to all current utility systems uh that service the building. You'll confirm the USPS mail receptacle location and payment blue apartment fee of $3,000 for the unit.

Okay. So, with those policies and conditions, I'll make a motion that we approve item number three. Uh, do I second on that? Second by Matt Gillis. Look down here. He wasn't done with it. So, uh, all in favor? I opposed carry. All right. Shorter meetings first. John [clears throat]

um 85 um Kylie emailed them about 484 way a meeting was tomorrow night. Last month's meeting was a Tuesday. surveill Tuesday um not realizing that that was a holiday. Um so um they said that we could go forward if we're comfortable without them or they would ask respectfully that we table it next month. We can run through the items and discuss it. If you're comfortable fine we can move forward. If not we don't have to make a decision. continue until next month. And if you do have additional questions, we can certainly get back to you on them.

Um, I did also text Julie Noble and let her know that she was speeding up a little bit. So, do you have a couple applicants present if you want to take them first? And then what was that? I'm sorry. I I texted Julie in the meantime. Okay. And also Andy, Derek, you want to take You took the the bat jet over, did you? All right. So, and also Annie Sier from Booker Street. Okay. So, if you want to do those, we'll go through them first. Booker Street. Booker Street. All right. Um, going into waiver request. Anyone? Yeah, of course. What's up, bro? How are you today? Good to see you.

Good to see you. How you doing, man? Good. Uh number item number four is 19 Hooker Street major waiver request 12 foot wide curb cut to access multiple properties. Section block and lot is 48.83-3-14 seeker determination trans zone T3L ward 7. Joseph Levy is the applicant owner. Uh Andy Gutierrez is here. You're representing. Yes. Okay. Uh okay. So, we're going to get some pictures up there. Matthew,

Amy, is the is the new hard cut meant to serve all lead parcels or only two? No, all three. The join still kind of shows. So, I kind of highlighted it so it's a little bit okay easier to see. It's hard to see with the picture with all the other lines on there. Um, but basically before there was two separate accesses. There was one up here. um on the corner uh in between one and two and then between uh two and three, right? So, basically we want to do away with the upper one on the sharp turn here. Um and we want to do just one singular access and then a parking lot in the back. Um so we're looking to do a 20 foot wide kind of parcel strip there. And uh Mhm.

Okay. It's like a it's cuz the the plan that we had showed the 20 ft on the upper closer to the curve and not not down between the two locks. That that was the confusion is that that red box. Yeah. Red notation there on the paper. Yeah. Yes. I I can pass this over to you too if that's easier. Yeah, it might be a little more clear. Just say

instead of th this was this was where the 20 ft is marked out up here in this red box here. And so that's why it was confusing. So now this is going to be 20. So this will have to be redrawn and resubmitted. Um and then this will completely this map will change because right now it shows at driveways coming in here and here. That was the original, right? Yeah, I remember sharing paper cuts when they were first here. Yeah, that's the original that was already approved. What we're looking at right now. This is the piece that we sent over to change it to, which is not up there.

So, this won't assess if they come to another meeting. No, I think we can work on the maps at desk level. Um, and John Steiner looks out to the league or does he V2? No, this this map was Mike Perryi. Okay. Surveyor. I'm sorry. No. Uh, John Shaw. John. No. No. Well, we'll do the curb cuts.

Okay. Um, so one thing that um will need to get done is because there's going to be a shared driveway access for all three parcels, there'll have to be a legal agreement that is drawn up and put in place that will cover both maintenance and access rights to cross in and out over the various properties for all three. No problem. Um and then um so that will have to be drafted by your attorneys,

your attorney, and then just we'll review it and then we'll that will get filed with the county. Um and then the other thing we'll and it'll have to spell out the needs and bounds of the dimensions of the not only the right way driveway, but the parking area, who's got Yeah. who's got rights to what. Understood. Okay. Um, so that will need to get done and then we'll need to see obviously the revised plan that shows the other those have to be removed and the other one widened and put in place. Okay. And all of the things we're talking about tonight will be included in a list that you know were a summary of partners tonight. So awesome.

Yeah. Amazing. Um and then we also discussed um in at staff level that um I don't know it's a it's a low wet area in there. So we talked about at least we don't know what you're planning to do for material.

So we will uh we started writing some in already. We kind of was creating this in our staging area if you would for now. Um basically what we're using is a large 8 uh 8 in by 12 in uh rock to put down. We're going to do it at least 3 foot thick um with fabric at the bottom and we're basically up um so there's plenty of room for the water to shut the hill back. Anybody that drives by now can kind of see that a little bit better. Um and the parking lot is up above. There's kind of like a natural stream if you would that goes down by the neighbor's property. The parking lot's approximately 4T above that. Okay.

And all the water kind of sheds that way. It sheds to that stream to the neighbor's property. I Well, it's is both of their properties. That stream is like shared on this property and there it's right on the property line itself. What What kind of material you're going to use from like where it comes right off of Hooker Street. So, you're going to make a little apron of Yeah, definitely going to do like an apron of rock there for sure. Um, we got kind of we might have to do like a little curb if you guys aren't opposed to that just for the water sake of the road water coming off through there. Um, but will that be a concrete or you going to put a black black top? We we prefer to do concrete as long as it's okay with you guys. I can't

black top. No, whatever you guys allow us to do at the end of the day. We uh we definitely want to keep as much water out of the property as possible, right? um for everybody's sakes. So I think what what we would have is have you then or whomever draw your access curb cut with with the concrete curving where you want it.

Um and then I would recommend that we have rather than just the rock from from the road surface at least to your property line maybe a little bit in have an asphalt so that we're not tracking. So stone is not tracking in and out to the road. It's kept basically on the property. And then yeah, this um what they would like to do uh is pave this whole piece where the project's done. So no stone will be coming out. This entire piece done. Um so the only stone access you'll have right now is during construction.

Um after once construction's done, this whole thing will be item four 6 in on top of that base and then another 6 in of asphalt on top of So the building department will oversee that paving work. So you'll just just have to be sure that there is some kind of uh mechanism to collect the storm so it doesn't just sheet drain off to to the adjacent property box or something there. Well, three dry wells on there's three drys on the back. They're already in and inspected. Like we're not looking to change anything on a plane open. We're just looking to basically get the easements to widen the driveway. Drive wells put in as a result of the of the

So, no, the drywalls are only installed right now currently for the roof leaders. Okay. That's the only purpose for the drywalls. Can you pass that around? Pink shows where the the pink shows where we're looking to do. [clears throat] So, are we just considering the curb cut? We're not considering the parking lot or anything. Yeah, that's so technically they could have three 10 foot curve cuts there, right? And

yes. So having 120 foot eliminates cut furthest away from the curb. It's a safety It's also a safety for sight distance considerations [clears throat] because of that curb and and the slope the the road is a hill steep hill. [clears throat] So, we'll have a checklist for this. We can [clears throat] I probably have it. Uh, you know what?

We did make this one. Okay. Uh, I the other two and I do questions. Yeah. If you want to change that picture,

Anybody else have any other questions right now? No, I just want to clarify that the Okay, so the code states that it's a 10 foot pipe percol. Yes. And the proposal is that 120 20 for all three to share. Yes. But [clears throat] primary reason is for safety aspect. That is Yes. It's because you're familiar with the roadway there. It's it's a steep roadway coming down and then you've got the hill. So, it's not only sight distance but speed and then also as he was mentioning before drainage yeah

consideration. So, it'll stop the drainage from sheet draining onto their property. And what kind of traffic access is that one way? Like how many residents on average outrage or how many occupants? So each unit has will have two, you know, the three duplexes. Exactly. So you could have six cars like a an on like the max. I would say I wouldn't expect most of these people to have two one or you know more than one vehicle there. I think it makes sense to have a waiver for something like that particularly because it's safety related.

Okay. section. You know what section is [clears throat] questions? All right. So, for the waiver, we have a checklist here. Um, do I have to read the whole preamble? No. Okay. [clears throat]

All right. So this is for 19 Hooker Street transct T3L section block 48.83-3-14. The intent of transecting in which the property is located. The applicant has included a waiver request letter that clearly identifies and describes the waiver being proposed accompanied by plans or other visual represent representations as applicable. I'm saying yes. Everybody concur with that. Yes. And they'll they'll submit a revised [clears throat] um showing once taken off the plan and the curving and all. We'll work with them on that.

Thank you. In their letter, the applicant describes in detail why the waiver is needed and how the waiver request is consistent with the intent, design, and compatibility of the transex zone in which the project is located. Uh I say yes to that. It's a breaking car. Will granting the waiver contribute to the realization of the overall intent of the transct zone and result in an approval project which will be an attractive and durable contribution to the transct zone. I say yes. Thank uh to support walkable neighborhoods andor mixed use centers. the project emulates the neighborhood context or how far the buildings or build building or buildings relate to the sidewalk, how the facade is designed and how the building interacts with the street. Um the fact that there's no sidewalk there, we go with an NA on this or not just part of the uh doesn't have to have a

Yeah, there is no sidewalk that everybody compare with that [clears throat] The project supports a green and resilient future by for example reducing vehicular miles traveled, providing green infrastructure and/or street trees and or including high quality usable open space. Um does the fact that they are not going to have a third driveway or second driveway um in this instance? I mean they're not they're not

I mean we're preserving green space probably in the coverage driveway of paved area um there might be a slight decrease but I mean it's kind of a wash because you're creating a larger parking area in the back by going across all three um sites and there's the I mean there's some green infrastructure. Um, but there's no street. I mean, it's not a site plan per se. So, it's diff. It was a subdivision. We don't do site plans for one, two, or three family homes. So, we don't have that detail. That's all

at the uh building safety. You can make recommendations that they uh encourage them to incorporate green infrastructure and the development of the parking lots. So bottom line is an NA for this pretty much for you. For me, I'm thinking make clear with that. Okay. But I think the planning board should make the statement in the final decision. What would you guys like to see for green space like extra trees thrown in some landscaping around that? Yeah, we're totally. So any comments or anything like that? Yep.

You'll have that in your account. Uh the project supports incremental development patterns in its size and density and supports infill development for the reuse of existing buildings. I'm saying NA on that. Yes. Project supports the provision of a variety of housing types to support a range of income levels, age groups, and family units. Uh, keep saying that. Could I agree?

I know the project specifies street design that is walkable and bikable and will reinforce safe and comfortable environments for all users. On that concur, I mean, I think less curve cuts just safer. So, I think less. Okay. Um especially with the how the street is there when you [clears throat] Well, I mean we got to say it's not walkable really there but bikable. Yeah, it is bikable. I mean I bike down that hill weekly to get to the park. I I could agree with that.

Then we did say it's creating safer bridge there. So, all right. Everybody agree with no or what? I'm sorry. Yeah. Yes. Or na? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. That passes mustard. Let me date it and sign it then, please. Or do you need to do a whole new thing? Is this supposed to be the official? Yeah. Did you check this? Good point.

So with the checklist and with also um then provided working with staff in submit the revised plan to show the curving and the entryways and the removal of the old curb cuts. Um also subuting a maintenance agreement uh that includes also the access um with weeds and bounds and then adding the trees and vegetation around the parking area or shades.

And again this will be all written out and someone um I do the speaker. So uh this is a type two action. So no predetermined to have no environmental impact, no pur review of the board is required. So um you just basically illustrated everything that we have in that motion. Uh so with with the policies and conditions that Sue has described, I'll make a motion that we approve item number four. A second by Vince Archer. All in favor? I opposed. Gary. All right.

Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate your time here. I hope you guys have a great even uh the owner from 485. Okay, we're going back to number two. Old business. You can sit right up right at the right at the

You can sit. That's wherever you're comfortable. Um, under old business, item number two is 485 Broadway site plan to add a 6,667 square foot side and rear addition with a 2,300 236 foot front edition to an existing retail building to establish a grocery store. The waiver request for parking setback and second curb cut section blocking lot is 56.26-10-1 46-10-1 secret terminated in transc 5 J sing is the applicant just and Paul LLC are the owners is the owner okay sir can you state your name for the record welcome again thank

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Hey, thank you.

Any changes uh from the last time you were here? No. other side.

Well, we have the the plan was updated by by your architect um and B did um resubmit um a a plan that has again gotten some reviews um by some local agencies. Uh you did have some public comment uh that came in for this. Hopefully, you're all getting notifications and and reading those comments as they come through when they are posted. Um, just a couple things. Um, along the side of the new addition where it uh where the property abuts the Andy Murphy uh center, Midtown Center. Um, they've added in the wooden guard rail that we spoke about last year, last year, last month, and also they've added a row of evergreen plantings um between the building and the fencing. So, that is there. One of the comments of the CAC um which was a good one we didn't pick it up is that that there are two uh evergreen plantings that block the pedestrian access from that was primarily asked to be put back in place because there's connection with the Andy Murphy Center. So um we're going to ask that those be removed and just relocated um between the the pavement area and the property line. Um just

is that the barbar? No, no, those are the evergreen the arbor biteies along the Okay. All right. So, that that is a simple that that can be a condition of approval. Oh, okay. The arbor bites. Okay.

Right. Um they've also added in um some trees along the Pine Grove and along and some shrubbery along Pine Grove and along the Broadway um streetscapes. Um, one of the comments from the urban forester is that they chose to use a sugar maple. Um, but um, his comment was to replace those, even though there are sugar maples on the site, replace those with a different variety because they're becoming less tolerant of climate change and so their survival is in urban in urban settings. It's not so terrific. So, he's recommended some changes um to those and they've been also forwarded to the architect and the architect agreed, I believe, after talking to you that you would incorporate the urban forest comments. Um he had some other comments on some other shrubbery as did the CAC. Those have been transmitted and you've agreed to work with those comments as well. So, that they can be conditions and they'll be coming back with a a revised plan hopefully to staff if the board approves that. Um they've also indicated on here that uh that they are going to be you know restriping and um putting back you know putting in place the um the crosswalks um and that so one other thing that we would like and we're we'll talk about a little bit later is the crosswalks where you get to the driveway access points. Those should also be um painted and striped clearly defined. Um when we get to that point um

can you go to the elevation drawing Kyler? Um the board recalls the Pine Grove elevation last month um was just a plain elevation. One of the comments was to add something to the side of the building to break up that long expanse of uh bricks. Um they are going to So what they proposed here are two kind of faux type window seams that'll advertise, you know, fruits, vegetables, grocery related materials, um just to break that up. And they're putting a couple of awnings over it to make, you know, just dress them up a little bit as well. Um, as everybody remembers probably from last month, the new addition, uh, materials are going to match the current building materials. Um, they're looking to match the brick, um, as closely as possible, as well as some of the details with the the linear lines going around the building. Um, there's two new overhead doors, one on Pine Grove and one to the Broadway face. The Pine Grove one will be used for delivery of product. And the um Broadway one will be used for trash um removal of trash and storage in an outside um area that's also going to be constructed of brick with some with either a steel uh doors in the front and they'll be painted to match either the brick or tan complimentary type material. Um, what else did we talk about? Bank. Am I missing anything, Kyla?

We talked about a bike rack, but that was not added yet, although they know about it. So, that would have to be added. And at the at the bottom of the page on the elevations section, we have the refuge enclosure. Is that is that something new? This what how this is going to look the last meeting or is this that's that's a similar that was um added to the drawings to [clears throat] demonstrate the type of closure the doors that they're going to be using. They think they originally proposed like a a stockade wood, but now they're going with a steel which is more appropriate for the doors. Yeah.

And that'll be for a dumpster inside there. Is that going to be Yes. It's a compactor actually. Yep.

Maybe last question. I'm reading through your letter here, too. Is that what you're you're looking to I was just going to ask about non trash. That's what I was just about to take the breath to do that. So, uh part of the uh the conserv conservation advisory council's letter to us is uh your solid waste storage. [clears throat] So, um, the Olster County Food Waste Prevention and Recovery Act, if you're going to be generating more than 1,000 lbs of food per week, like expired food, right?

It requires businesses to divert and compost all food waste. Do you have a plan for that? Do you Well, we used do that with other your other stores, right? We just uh put it in the the compact. All the garbage is mixed there. Just the cardboard don't go there. Cardboard goes in the bail. All right. But every other thing is garbage. So we just put it in the garbage can. But do you do you think you're going to have more than 1,000 lbs of expired food a week?

No. Because the the expired uh whatever is expired, companies take them back. So they take them with them. And do you I mean also to get rid of stuff that's close to expiring, do you donate to food banks too or how do you No, nothing. Well, we going to donate something with little fresh milk. [snorts] You don't want no problems later. Um I mean stay on top of that. Go ahead.

Um Julie Noble, sustainability coordinator from the city. Um, just to follow up with that, uh, whether or not the business is subject to diversion will be not a business's decision. It will be a regulatory decision. Um, so that will be determined once the business is established. So if they do produce half a ton of more, then that will be established by the county and then they will mandate it. Who who does that inspection?

The health department of the county. Um, so right now there's about 20 businesses within the city of Kingston that fall into that category including all of our grocery stores. Um, but I also want to mention that recycling of CO materials also mandated in the state. So um that means bottles, plastic, glass, metal separate has to be source, right? And it goes into the we have a bottle machines. Terra pick it up every they pick it up every week. They take out whatever the recycle is. We got the machines outside. You pull out of the machine, throw in the bin in the back and they pick it up weekly.

Are you talking about the other types of bottles? Um I don't know what the funnel is. So if they're like if there's value added products made there. So if they're opening a can of a number 10 can of tomato sauce and that can it's to be it's more than sewing bottles. So whenever I guess to sum up that the composting thing whenever the health department comes to do their periodic inspections this is what they will take a look at as well right and they'll make a determination then. So Judas, they would oversee uh the any requirement for food scraps um diversion, but Olster County Research Recovery Agency is the authority on recycling.

Okay. So if you exceed these thresholds from these agencies conducting inspections, just just be prepared for that. You might run you'll be subject to having to run to do the comp book. All right. So okay. [clears throat] and we take another

uh my name is Chuck Snider. I'm representing the Holy Cross Church which is the property just sitting south of of the uh the writing complex which is the left on the drawing here. Um our parish hall backs up right to the property line. It's not shown on the drawing, but it's it's essentially where the box is where it says landscaping except it's right to the property line. Um I was glad to hear first of all grocery store welcome be fantastic. Uh I was glad to hear deliveries and I just want to clarify deliveries on Pine Grove all service all garbage off of uh off of Broadway. that would have been being reversed would have been difficult for us.

And uh the only other thing I would say is when right aid was built much to our consternation of tank on the trail was building they did something they built a segmented retaining wall right on the property line between the two properties and somehow interrupted drainage to our parish hall and it's flooded ever since. I don't know if a footing grain was interrupted in New Orleans fault. It didn't have an outlife. I don't really know. We've never been able to diagnose the problem. But now with this new construction, right, you the the the two buildings are going to be I'm guessing all of the roof drainage is being taken to the front. No.

It can probably only get better. Yeah. But if uh we could just keep that. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Okay. And I understand I missed the comment period by a couple of days. I was on beach and got this notification on Thursday last week. So, okay. Um there are comments as well from the water department um with regards to um the connections. So, these should be condition of approval as well, right? Okay. So we discussing the credit waiver right now.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There's the fee waver discussions.

Um so one is um for the second curve. Um and we touched upon it last month. Um and in between last month and this month um one of the public uh actually a couple of public uh comments addressed it. Um and we also received a comment from the fire chief um saying that he felt that the world emergency um services the second curve cut is important to them um and he wants to see it obtained. I know that at the last month's discussion we talked about traffic circulation on site um we did speak about um maybe modifying the Broadway access um which is currently when you exit is a two-way in right now um but when you exit it is a right turn only um so there was a little bit of discussion last month about possibly limiting it limiting it to only exit movements ments and no entering movements that wouldn't stop the fire department from accessing it um to be honest. Um but it would hopefully maybe deter some of the the crossover um traffic which was a concern for um the pedestrian safety along the street as well. But having one flow of traffic in and then out

Mhm. has to be a safety.

You would still be able to go out of the Pine Road. So Pine Road would stay in two-way. That would stay in two-way. Yeah. And that is important because the truck traffic, you know, they're going to be back. They're going to be coming in and then making the backing movement and then, you know, unloading their product and then they would be pulling out and going to the controlled signal intersection in order to um get back onto Broadway. I think having it be exit only seems reasonable. I mean, if you wanted to turn left in there, you can just go to the intersection and make a left on Pine Grove. If you wanted to turn right in there, you've already gone through the intersection coming from Pine Grove. They could have just turned right onto Pine Grove. There's no

Yeah. Yeah. I don't see that being a huge disruption in because there there's no signage there right now. Right now there's there is signage in place that there's a no left turn, right turn only when you exit, but nothing. There would have to be signage added to the plan that says no no entrance. Yeah. Where is the loading dock on the back where you come in? On the side. On this side. It's on the other side. Right here. Yeah. In the back of the Yeah, right there. So, the delivery trucks have to come in and then go all the way around to the other side. Right.

So, they go down Pine Grove. out. So they would the deliveries will go down Pine Grove, pull in to the site and then back into their deliver to put deliver the car. They would come and loop around the parking lot and then back into that left hand side corner, but they would also have the same access to pull straight out and head out to the right. Yeah. Yep. I think that that would actually probably be I think the what makes most sense for like the patrons. Well, I think Kyro, I think you're talking about the Pine Grove entrance. Like we're we're saying the Broadway would be exit.

It is, right? Like you would you could enter from there, right? But the you would be able to enter from there and exit from Pine Grove, not enter only from Pine Grove. Yes. Okay. So, this is in only. So you would the truck would have to come in, pull out, turn around and only go out the Broadway. No, these can Pine Grove is two-way Broadway be one way. Pine Grove is Oh yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah,

right. So a truck would come in Pine Grove, pull into the site, back in, unload the product, then pull out Pine Grove and go out to the intersection. They don't they don't have to go through the site to exit onto Broadway. They would go out Pine Grove to the controlled intersection. So, this first one I think is intended for garbage trucks because they're pulling in going this direction backing to get the garbage and going out Broadway. And the second one is indicating what a

sh. So they would come into the site back into the space, unload, [clears throat] and then likely pull out. I mean, I guess they could go out the Broadway exit if they wanted to, but they would likely jump back out.

So making that exit only doesn't affect any of their plans with these trucks or anything. May I just ask uh if the engineers have looked at the turning radius in exiting on Pine Grove because this exit demonstrates that you're exiting onto the in lane of Pine Grove and not onto the out lane of Pine Grove. Yeah. Well, this is showing just the front and back tires. I don't think it's really showing them coming back out. I think this is just showing them coming in and coming back in. They didn't really show pulling out this way. I guess my point was I'm not sure the turning radius is there if there are cars parked in that center.

Well, I mean when the pharmacy there the trucks had to get in and out same way, right? I mean, it went probably I'm assuming it went through our engineer when that when that was originally built. Yeah. Yeah. They're making this turn. So, I don't know that it would be that different than making that. But yeah, they're confirm.

Yeah, we'll confirm that. Yeah. Okay. Can I ask another question? Are you are you wondering if the trucks the pharmacy have the same size as the trucks that wouldn't be used the traffic pharmacy? Yeah, I think they're eight different and would definitely get

you have probably a lot more refrigerator refrigerated product on a food delivery truck versus a pharmacy truck which would have more dry. So, it just depends on volume and depends on how many delivery sites that they have. But I don't think either one. When you talk about a large large truck, you're talking about multiple delivery sites that they're hitting. Trailers we get maybe twice a week. We get lots of the small trucks. They're not thinking, right? But this the trailer we get in twice a week basically. So I'm thinking that the original design of this was based on what the maximum trailer tractor trailer length,

right? And how long was right there? like for years and years. I'm just saying the volume has probably declined over time, but originally they probably based that off of larger volume, which could mean that they had planned for a larger size chart possibly. [clears throat] I don't think that you could get I mean I don't know what what you're saying. I don't understand what Julie's talking about when you have like the [snorts] the clearance for a delivery the size of delivery truck and determining what size delivery trucks are going to be in and out of there. It's almost largest would be tractor trailer with 53 foot trailer.

And that's what I'm saying. I think that that was designed for that right that length. I I believe it probably had to be. Yeah. I mean will there be maybe smaller trailers coming in that trailers? I don't probably but I think this was designed and we can confirm that too. So when we talked to John Schulty that this was designed for whatever the maximum length of tractor trail is 53

probably we'll have the we'll have the architect put the turning movement or the exit on to this final site plan as well. Yeah, just confirm that they're suitable. All right. Is there a second curve cut in left side of the building? What was that? A second curve board. It's going out. We're checking it out. No, it's exit only. We're discussing show exit. There was a second curb cut here, wasn't there? No, the one There's a curb cut is down by the bottom.

Yeah, I see this one. Yeah. And the other one is up. There are already two there. Yeah. My question is what's the big hangup about that or

well the code I mean the code. The code triggers infection that if you're putting if you're putting more than 25% increasing the size of the structure more than 25% that the parking section of the code is supposed to be enforced. Now there's another section of the code and we we asked actually the people who wrote the code for interpretation on this as well. There's this section in the code about adaptive reuse of properties of existing properties where you have infrastructure in place, buildings in place and how the new code applies and and their response has been is in your staff notes and it's written there. um but it's where they don't increase the degree of nonconformity then the adaptive reuse of the um properties can be um liberally determined and applied and that's um what we're looking at in terms of these waiverss. I think the suggestion though for because there is a lot of foot traffic along Broadway. I believe that this this building, you know, this new use will probably get a lot of foot traffic along with vehicular traffic um and bike traffic. Um so the question came up about pedestrian safety um knowing that there's the school nearby and the Y and the and the rec center a lot a lot of youth. Um so it came up about the safety of you know those that that population and um it's a good point um and that's why you know if we want to retain the second means of ingress egress or or second curb cut or public

safety purposes such as the fire department's request um then limiting it to exit turns only and prohibiting entering from into that I think is a good a good compromise a solid and it it moves this plan more into conformity with the new code but it also works to everyone else's advantage we're talking about limited in that right next door was wide open for the people coming in maybe the people don't walk past that I don't know we're working on this this site plan right Yeah.

Well, so the the fire department, they're the other I mean, is that a recommendation or they say they've required Well, is that they they can't require, but it is a recommendation, but obviously when we do site plan reviews, we refer them out to all the municipal agencies and, you know, we we take those comments seriously. Obviously, public safety is very important. So, [clears throat] And that helps with, you know, apparatus placement, how they get in and out, you know, that that was just the multiple vehicles there.

So that that the two curb cuts use the one waiver. The second waiver is because there is parking existing parking uh within the 30 foot front setback. I mean, it's it's pre-existing. it's there. The option is to remove that. And I I I don't think that's beneficial to the, you know, the new owners. Um or, you know, I don't know that it would really impact change that the project. It would negatively affect the project. Um so again, we were looking at that adaptive reuse.

Yeah. Reasoning for that. They are removing some of the parking um by creating the corral for the for the um shopping carts. Um and one of the urban foresters comments to add additional landscaping uh for the length of the number of parking spaces in a row will require another one to be removed which they've agreed to. So that's um already three reduced. they by code they they're conforming with the number. So, so in within the within the notes there are written statements for both of those. Um the board needs to discuss each of them and weigh in on those waivers as well as part of your decision. [clears throat] second wing being the pre-existing spaces and all. I just don't think that that has any kind of violation on anything um hurts the peopleing and the business itself. Um I think that the first wave is a little bit more there's a little bit more complexity to it. I know when I was looking at this originally, I would have had to when I was looking at the plan, I was looking at it. I don't know why, but um if the recommendation of the curb cuts comes from fire department, that's enough for me for safety aspect. And I think that that's what you have to have to look with that that's first. and also making exit only turn

right and keeping in mind where the Annie Murphy Center exits and enters too because yeah there's a lot of youth but I mean there's a lot of in and out in and out especially like on Saturdays with games stuff like that that's going to be the probably busier time for the grocery store too so where is that large flux of foot traffic coming that's going to be on the weekends well the drugstore had a lot of traffic in that. Yeah. And there's no like it's not necessarily overnight deliveries. It's usually whenever you know there's no set usually before

Yeah. when the staff is there to help unload and put away. Do you guys get weekend deliveries? Yes. Like milk and stuff like that. Yeah. But usually the larger deliveries the two are during the week. Tuesday it's a lot. [clears throat] Yeah, which is good. Okay.

I think the exit only is a good compromise. I think that increases safety a lot. It reduces kind of the left turn. You're not paying attention to a sidewalk. You're paying attention to cars coming at you. I think pushing all of that to the controlled intersection. I think that's the best we can do without [snorts] having to tell fire trucks and ambulances they have to turn around in the parking lot. P.

Good. The only thing I I wanted to mention Carol was talking about come the first picture shows the truck coming out on Broadway. No, that's that's a [clears throat] that's a garbage truck going back up into the compactor. That's a garbage truck. Yeah. But it can go out on the Broadway only. Yeah. Yes. So come and go and something talls.

Yeah. I'll show you. Maybe just a note to get when you're talking to this, you know, fire department or whoever about the clearance just so that it's noted and then so it doesn't ever have to be revisited cuz it's determined. No plans. Might as well clearance for the truck that we were talking about before as far as apparatus getting in and out. You mean? Yeah. Wasn't that a para? Yeah, that was part of the the the fire chief comments going to be become part of the decision. That's you know. Yeah.

I mean, what a home run though to put a grocery store next to a facility that has so much going on with the neighborhood families. Yeah. Charles Duck. You know, we could tell them you got to put a sign up that says only or exit only people don't pay attention to that. So, we can do that's that's an enforcement issue. That's not But one already exists, right? One already exists.

One already exists for making when you exit turning movement. So it's right turn only left right turn only when you exit. That's that exists right now. Right. So what we're saying is that [clears throat] sign be added that says no entrance except it's an exit only

which I think is is fair. It's fair. Um you also just have one small waiver with regards to the required information. Um, every plan, every project has a list of requirements for submission and they ask for a waiver on submitting the existing and proposed contours and we would recommend that you agree to that waiver because it's a flat site. No changes are being made to any site. There are no changes. Yeah. So, it's it's a legitimate request. Do we got to do another checklist for that though? No, that is just a

statement. Everybody concurs with that. Yes. Yeah. Do you have And then you also have the public justification with your staff notes if you want to review that and just concur disagree or modify there checklist.

Yeah. Say that on your checklist. spam. Uh, I suggest I suggest reading it and addressing both waiverss then reading it twice cuz I forgot any water and you're No, I Well, I don't have I'm not going to do the preamble up here, but I do read this part. Is that what you're talking about? No, I can like read the question and answer for both. So, they're both and then the justification that's going to go into the checklist.

All right. Um this is for 485 Broadway transct T5NS 5626-10-1. Uh this waiver is requested under 405.16.8.2 and this has to do with now that's not identified on this is just generic. You just have to memorize. You want to do the minimum setback for

so uh 2 is the parking notification minimum setback. Okay. All right. Three is the number of credits.

Okay. So this is the minimum setbacks for off street parking from all property lines that are provided in the transit zone standards. Okay. Uh intent to transact in which property is located. The applicant has included a waiver request letter that clearly identifies and describes the waver being proposed accompanied by plans or other visual represent representations as applicable. Yes. Wait. Yes.

Yes. Speak up please. Yes. Wait, thank you. The other ones since you read it now just for the other waiver. Is that also? Yeah, I'm doing two waiverss though. Okay. At once. That's that what you're saying. Well, that's what I was suggesting. So, you don't need each question. All right. So, the other waiver request is this. Okay. You have to read it again. I know. So, this is for Are we doing both at the same Okay, that's what I want to make.

All right. Um, in their letter, the applicant describes in detail why the waiver is needed and how the waiver request is consistent with the intent, design, and compatibility of the transet zone in which the pro the project is located. So, we're also delaying the um the current wait. Thank you. I need a secretary. All right. Um, so that is a yes on that one, right? Yeah, that's yours.

Will granting the waiver contribute to the realization of the overall intent of the transex zone and result in an improved project which will be an attractive and durable contribution to the transact zone? I say yes. Yes. concern. Yes. [snorts] To support walkable neighborhoods and or mixed use centers, the project emulates the neighborhood context for how far the buildings relate to the sidewalk, how the facade is designed, and how the building interacts with the street. The uh Yes. for both of them. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Okay. Concur. Never had to do to it once before. Fine. The project supports a green and resilient future by, for example, reducing vehicular miles traveled, providing green infrastructure and/or street trees and or including high quality usable open space. [clears throat] Yes. through having landscaping and providing bike racks and traffic flow through there and improving pedestrian. Everybody concurs with Yes. Okay. Yes.

The project supports incremental development patterns in its size and density and supports infill development or the reuse of existing buildings. Yes. project supports the provision of a variety of housing types to support a range of income levels, age groups, and family units. Uh, NA on that. Yeah. Project specify a street design that is walkable and bikable and will reinforce safe and comfortable environments for all users. I would say yes to car.

Yes. Okay, they may have passed the checklist. 23 just [clears throat] language. You want me to read through this thing here? The highlighted stuff.

Yeah. The reasoning The applicant provided the that we're going with right here in that section. No. Well, we gave the reasons. Everybody's expressed their their Okay. They verbalize it, right? Right. Yeah. And we've concurred with the checklist to vote. Okay. What do you agree with that? Okay.

All right. That's under the condition that you're not an assignment put up. I Yeah. I have those listed for here. Yeah. Yep. [clears throat] All right. Go to the end of the thing now. So unlisted

unlisted action under seeker. So I have before me a short environmental assessment form that stamp has indicated is in order. Um at this time I'll make a motion that we approve it. I have a second. Second by Andrew. All in favor? Wayne Glad is a yes. Charles Balco. Matt Gillis. Yes. Vince Archer. Yes. Andrew Harris. Yes. So I have as conditions for policies 4, 4, A, 6, 7, 10, 13, 18, 21, 23, and 24 that you are waving the submission of a contour plan that the Kingston Water Department comments will be um a condition of approval. Um, we will confirm with the applicants of turning radius or trucks exiting the site onto Heinro. Uh, they will include a plan that shows bike racks. They will add signage um at the exit on Broadway to make it a exit only and right turn only and when exiting. Um, all landscaping changes as requested by the urban foresters comment will be complied with. Um they will revise to add the crosswalks at both curb cuts. Um and they will follow the CAC's comments on diversion and composting and mandatory recycling.

Anything else need to be added to that? Okay. uh with the policies and conditions that Sue has illustrated, I will make a motion that we approve item number two. Got a second by Chuck Balco. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. So, you'll have a list of everything that Sue has has described. Thank you for running over. Thank you. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Steve shot you burn. That's what I thought he was going to do.

I always

Okay, you're rushed over for this. Oh, was it here? I mean it's a serious environment here for item number in coastal assessment 46 and 50 north north street LWRP coastal consistency review section block and lattice 56.36 mill 32 and 33 transep zone T4no l a stadium clean the applicant owner no sier representing the city welcome Thank you very much.

Harris was heading out the door. storage and go right. We're going to be pulling up some stuff on you here in a sec. Yeah, I'm just going to show everyone where it is start.

Um, so I'm Julie Noble. sustainability coordinator with the city of Kingston. I now am the sole project manager uh with that title in the city. Um and I [clears throat and laughter] and so the the two parcels that we're looking at here, which is 46 and 50 North Street, have been in the eye of our building safety division for several years. They've been vacant since 2014, and they are condemned residential homes. There's three buildings on the property. Um do you have the pictures? Let me show you the page. Uh you have that with the meeting lab.

I was um existing conditions for both. Uh so um we are at the intersection of East Union and North Street and uh they as I mentioned they are municipal buildings that were taken over because of condemnation and this has led to us seeking a grant from the Department of State which we were successful at getting. I'm sorry I have property record cards. Is that what you're No. No, but see in here. I have enough.

Do you want Sue to invite you? Oh yeah. So, would you mind inviting Julie?

Um, so, uh, we sought funding from Department of State were successful. also would have um about 3/4 of a million dollars including bonding to do two things. One is demolish the buildings on site and the other is to build it into a public access location and what that will look like is still to be determined. I have a project advisor committee uh that will be helping to define that including the local neighbors a representative from the children's home um a number of people that are involved in access on the waterfront. Uh in order to apply for the grant which again we were successful with engineering we put together a conceptual design uh which looks like this and that might be in there also. Um, if you need to share, I don't know if you need to share that, but anyway, it looks like this. It's called It's in your files. It's probably called I don't know what it's called. Um, if you go to the files part, maybe it's in there.

Yeah, I don't. That's what I was looking at. And I'm only seeing the deed property record card.

Okay. Well, I'll hold it up. Um, this is conceptual only. So, I really we might end up doing nothing. But if we do something, it could look like this, which would be using the same current entrance uh but improving it. uh building a graded we would grade uh up out of the flood plane a fivecar parking spot with a wood boardwalk out to the water's edge which may or may not then have kayak access. Um, we have removed three trees so far with approvals from the tree commission and I have a request for uh I'm working currently with the building department to determine whether or not it is safe to actually enter into the buildings. Uh, if it is so, we will be doing a hazardous materials survey to see about the presence of asbescus and lead and other hazardous materials. If it is not safe for us to enter the buildings, we will be assuming that there is the presence of asbestous. We're already assuming the presence of blood based on the age of buildings which is the 1800 late 1800s. That will then determine what remediation I need to do prior either prior to demolition or the way that we actually process it with demolition. Once demolition is complete, then we will have a blank slate to which the project advisory committee will evaluate the site to determine the next steps, which would be constructing something or nothing depending on what the group is looking at. Um, and then I will go out to bed or construction contractors to deal with something on site. Engineering will be doing the design. Uh, at the time of the application, it's in 2023. They they thought it was not very complicated. They're concurring it. It's still not complicated. So, I will not be going out to bed for design, just for

construction. Um, and it is in the LWRP area, which is why I say here. So, sheriff looking for beating. Yeah. [laughter] He said it's here, so I'm assuming it's another company, but I don't know for sure. Um, so I have the link. I'll I'll log in and then I'll share some um existing conditions with you.

Now, are there any plans to tie this into the rail bed there? Um so the answer to that is will inherently uh transsect that rail bed. So city of Kingston owns that rail line. Um and that's pretty intact going all the way around to the end of the Kingston point. It's intact. It's fully overgrown. Although we tried at times to to try to make a rail trail out of it, but that was not successful. Too too too too feudal of an effort. Um uh you have to let me be able to share.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm going to back out of my work. Um so let's see.

Yes. So currently at 46 in it uh 46 has frontage on North Street and then in the back uh incidentally might be interesting to know that there used to be a street behind all of these houses and that was their front yard on that side is what I've been told by the neighbors why it's not loading. Um, see here symptoms.

Okay. So, this is 46. Um, I said they're not uninhabited, but I walked in the door the other day. I probably shouldn't have. Yeah, [laughter] you can't help yourself. I used to do it. It is disconnected from power has power to it. Actually, houses once. Oh yeah,

this side. I don't think that's easy to see how neat those properties are where we are used to seeing them right on the street. Oh, that's pretty neat.

Wow. Okay. So, anyway, this is this building. Incidentally, it might be interesting to know that the building is attached to the road and the road is like attached to the wall. So, removing the building will possibly involve securing the road wall. Um, we will figure that out when we get there. All right. So, now I will share 15, which is the other one. completed seeker already. this. All right. So, this is 50. This is zooming. Now, uh since this time, this tree has been removed. It would have fallen on its own anyway. This tree and this multi- stem tree have been removed because we intend to bring any heavy equipment down on this road at the time. At this time, I don't expect to be removing any other trees for demolition, and I don't want to remove any other trees when we're done either. Um, but we'll see based off the blank slate. This is the back of it. Is it the shed also, which will be removed? Did not bust my way into this building.

Shed looks like it's in the best condition of all. Yeah, sure. When it comes to like demolishing these types of structures, is there any like attempt to salvage any of it or is it because the environmental aspect of lead and stuff like that just make it say Julie high tide? Yeah. Is that tide or flood?

Okay. So, couple questions on the table here. One is what is this happening here? This was a flooding event. um which means it was an air a time when we didn't just have flooding on this site. We would have at this point and this particular day uh which was I believe December we also had flooding at Kingston Point and on the Strand but you can see that repetitive loss like this is the reason why they are most this is not a simple high tide but I will say that it's not going to be long before that would be high tide looks like. So the grading of any new parking lot would have to be substantially higher closer to the road and then an elevated boardwalk which would then go essentially up and over the um the causeway. And the question of salvage um there's the truly noble sustainability coordinator Pat and there's the project manager Pat. the sustainability coordinator hat says we should deconstruct everything and pull everything apart and we should source separate everything that we could possibly do. And then there's the project manager path that says this building could be filled with a stresses and lead and it's clearly likely filled with mold and lots of other gross things. Um that said, I don't even know if we can safely get in it. So um right now the determination is by the building department if we are able to get into it and have a survey done. I think maybe I mentioned this already but we will then determine if there's a speestous and then we will abate asus in advance of demolition and then we will treat the demolition like a normal demolition. If we are not able to safely get in it, which means I would also not be able to salvage anything really easily, then we are going to treat the entire process as though it has asbesus, which means I then can process the entire contents of all the buildings as I would process any asbesus, which is a much different process. Either way, I'm not coming into wrecking ball and knocking things down.

There's not going to be a big whatever in the air for the neighbors. Um, and there will be public meetings in advance of this and notifications to the neighbors. Um, but short short I did have conversation with someone else actually about trying to salvage. Um, because of the age in the building. Yeah. Um, you know, there could be pool don't there probably is, but honestly it's the likelihood of it being not safe is probably very high. Yeah. So we it's not it is it's on my mind to be thinking of that and figuring it out but it's not guaranteed. Um yeah that's probably

Army Corp of Engineers get us too. Not unless I decide to build my dock. I didn't say dock. Not unless I decide to build my boardwalk boardwalk over the water, which the current intent is not to go over the water because the permitting will change substantially if I'm on land versus if I'm over the water.

So, currently Army Corps um is not involved. Uh and I hope to probably keep it that way, but that would suggest that I'm probably not going to be putting a kayak dock in. Also, I'm pretty sure it's like total mud flat in the low tide. And I don't want to be one of those people who are like, "Come check out our kayak doc." And then half the day people are stuck in the river because I didn't tell them low tide. I don't know what's going to end up happening with the site in terms of redevelopment, but we're not putting any more. The only structures that would possibly go there would be a a a parking lot and some sort of boardwalk thing. Much better than what he does. So, any other questions from the board? No. Do you want to start? So, for on portal pilot is bringing it up now. Uh Sue and I did go through and check every not applicable box appropriate so that we could skip through maybe 75.

We can go through this now. Mhm.

Um, planning board coastal consistency determination, uh, 45 46-50 Northstream section block 56.36-32, excuse me, M33, transex zone T4N- summary of review by policies. [clears throat] All right. See number one um restore, revitalize and redevelop deteriorating and underutilized waterfront areas for commercial and industrial cultural recreational and other compatible uses. So you have your choices consistent, consistent with the modification, not applicable or inconsistent.

Three. Yeah. Um 1 a redeveloped formerly industrialized and mined areas of audable. Oh, so we're not going to go through those. When they say birdie look. Okay. Uh 1B is promote replacement of existing uses which detract from the ground up waterfront and which discourage more appropriate development in this area.

You need to see the question. Yeah. Sorry. Consistent. Consistent. consistent agree. Yeah. Y uh 1 C is restore and revitalize the predominantly residential character of the historic Wilbur and Cocky neighborhoods. I would say consistent. Agree.

Agree everybody. Yeah. Good. One E is restore, revitalize, and redevelop the area between Kingston Point and East Strand along the Roundup Creek for commercial and recreational water dependent and water enhanced uses that will increase the public access to and public enjoyment of this area. Consistent consistent. Consistent. Good shot. Good. [clears throat] Two, facilitate the sighting of water dependent uses in facilities on or adjacent to coastal waters. Consistent. Consistent. Good.

Oh, we got 2 A. develop new water dependent uses along the Roundup Creek and Hudson River waterfronts. Consistent. Consistent. Consistent.

Okay, we're going to fish and wildlife policies. Seven. That is I'll let you catch up here. Yeah. Uh significant coastal fish and wildlife habitats as identified in the coastal area map shall be protected, preserved and where practical restored so as to maintain their viability as habitats. consistent

7A. The Roundup Creek habitat shall be protected, preserved, and practical and and practical. Is that should be as as practical or should is that right? Um, it's probably should be, but that's sort of the reason restored so as to maintain its viability as a habitat. So, it's just consistent. Agreed. [clears throat] Yeah. 7B. Julie, you want to say something? I would call that one NA. It's not on the rock.

Oh, that's right. It is right on the Hudson. our um our other area here. Yeah, we left it. It was in the but the water body that's on is right. So, yeah.

Okay. Eight. No, sorry. Seven. 7B. Uh, the locally important habitat at Kingston Point Park, also known as KB4, shall be protected, preserved, and where practicable restored so as to maintain its viability as a habitat. Consistent, consistent. We consider this part of Case Point Park. K4 is federal, then it's

okay. Uh uh consistent eight protect fish and wildlife resources in the coastal area. Consistent. Good. Consistent.

Well, there was more verbiage there. That's all right. Okay.

Design expand recreational use of fish and wildlife resources in coastal areas by increasing access to existing resources, supplementing existing stocks, and developing new resources. Such efforts shall be made in a manner which ensures the protection of renewable fish and wildlife resources and considers other activities dependent on that. Okay. Um 11 going to flooding and erosion hazard policies. Flooding and erosion hazards policies. Buildings and other structures will be cited in the coastal areas so as to minimize damage to property and endangering of human lives caused by flooding and erosion.

Consistent. Okay, Julie, you're not having any like um breath use or anything. It's kind of carry in carry out policy type of thing here and no bathrooms or potties or any of that. It's going to be

definitely no bathrooms. There may be garbage uh and recycling to containers which would be consistent with every other park. We don't have any other parks that are carry and carry out. It would be ideally carry and carry out but I don't think our community handles carry and carry out very well. Um so it will probably be same picture Stanley grain and block containers that we have. Okay. If if there if we make an improvement on the site where we would be intentionally bringing people there by vehicle then we would put garbage. So then they would be monitor uh monitor daily.

Okay. 12 activities or development in the coastal area will be undertaken so as to minimize damage to natural resources and property from flooding and erosion by protecting natural protective features including beaches dunes barrier islands and bluffs. Primary dunes will be protected from all encroachments that could impair their natural protective capacity. Um, does the does the lagoon part of that bonder do activity? You're minimizing damage. So I would say consistent.

Agreed. Okay. 13. The construction or reconstruction of erosion protection structures shall be undertaken only if they have reasonable probability of controlling erosion for at least 30 years as demonstrated in design and construction standards and or assured design maintenance or replacement programs. sing any erosion protection.

As a matter of fact, we're going to let the wetland continue to encroach into the space as it will continue to naturally vibrate. 14 activities and development including construction or reconstruction of erosion erosion protection structures shall be undertaken so that there will be no measurable increase in erosion or flooding at the site of such activities or development at other locations. Is that an NA [clears throat] Uh 16. Public funds shall only be used for erosion protective structures where necessary to protect human life and new development which requires a location within or adjacent to an erosion hazard area to be able to function or existing development. and only where the public benefits outweigh the long-term and other costs, including the potential for increasing erosion and adverse effects on natural protective features. And a 17. [clears throat] Whenever possible, use nonstructural measures to minimize damage to natural resources and property from flooding and erosion. Such measures shall include one, the setback of buildings and structures. Two, the planting of vegetation and installation of sand, fencing, and draining. Three, the reshaping of bluffs. And four, the flood proofing of buildings or their elevation above the base flood level. Um the fact that we're putting in a um elevated parking area, does this

consider that a reshaping of bluffs? Is that or no? No, not bluffs. No, I wouldn't say. Right. So, we under a here. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Public access policies 19. Protect, maintain, and increase the levels of public access to public water related recreation resources and facilities so that these resources and facilities may be fully utilized by all the public in accordance with reasonably anticipated public recreation needs and the protection of historic and natural resources. In providing such access, priority shall be given to public beaches, floating facilities, fishing areas, and waterfront parks. That's consistent. Consistent.

Yep. Yep. 20. Access to publicly owned foreshore and to the lands immediately adjacent to the foreshore or the water's edge that are publicly owned shall be provided. And it should be provided in such a manner compatible with adjoining uses. Such land shall be retained in public ownership. Consistent. Consistent.

20A. Provide opportunities for continuous public access along the Roundup Creek waterfront from West Strand to Kingston Point and to the Hudson River from Kingston Point to the city line. system. Okay. Recreation policies 21. Water dependent and water enhanced recreation shall be encouraged and facilitated and shall be given priority over nonwater related uses along the coast provided is it is consistent with the preservation and enhancement of other coastal resources. [clears throat] It takes into account the demand for such facilities. In facilitating such activities, priority shall be given to areas where the recreation opportunities of of the coast can be provided by new or existing public transportation services and to those areas where the use of a shore is severely restricted by existing development. System consistent, right? Wait. Yes. 21A. Develop, expand, and improve existing public water dependent and enhanced recreation facilities along the Hudson River and Roundout Creek waterfronts. Consistent. Direct. Agree.

Agree. 21B. encourage development, expansion, and improvement of private water develop, excuse me, of private water dependent and water enhanced recreation facilities along the Hudson River and Round Out Creek waterfronts. What's this? Is this this is for private water? This is public, right? It this is this is public. But I guess you could also look at, you know, if you bring public to this facility, does it also encourage development of private along the along the waterfront? So I would say it's consistent.

Agree. You're you're bringing you're providing an opportunity that brings public that will spin on and have other effects. So I think it's consistent. Okay. I agree. 22. Development when located to the when located to the shore shall provide for water related recreation as a multiple use whenever such recreational use is appropriate in light of reasonably anticipated demand for such activities and the primary purpose of the development.

It's not really a development. So a bad here be great. Yeah. Okay. Speak [clears throat] up people. Historic and scenic policies. 23. Protect, enhance, and restore structures, district areas, or sites that are of significance in the history, architecture, archaeology, or culture of the state, its communities, or the nation. uh consistent. Yeah, I mean um we're enhancing you put a note in this one

that have significant of the history. Well, people can't visit it now, but they will be able to visit it if it's like so I made I had put that comment which one right there. Although it's not a historic district northeast public access service to enhance nearby historic resources. So we're consistent. Agree. Yes. [clears throat] Mary.

25. Protect, restore, and enhance natural and man-made resources which are not identified as being of statewide significance, but which contribute to the scenic quality of the coastal area. Let's say they're consistent. Okay. Don't rate. 25A. Protect, restore, and enhance scenic views or vistas of local importance, including view from Hazard Park and Kingston Point. Oh, excuse me, Hazard Park, Kingston Point, Roundout to Lighthouse, Island Dock, and the Portan Suspension Bridge. But that I'm going to say it's consistent even they just include areas that

I agree the surrounding. Yeah. Yeah. 25B is protect, preserve, and enhance the general visual quality of the Hudson River and Roundup Creek waterfronts. So still meaning

uh water and air resources policy 30A. Water courses in the atmosphere should be kept clean and pollution abated where it now exists. Just ending. Yeah. 30B. Sources of portable water supply. That's not No, that's is an MA. Okay.

31. State coastal area policies and purposes of approved local waterfront revitalization programs will be considered while modifying water quality standards. However, those waters already overburdened with contaminants will be recognized as being a development constraint. NA 33. Best management practices will be used to ensure the control of storm water runoff and combined sewer overflows draining into coastal waters.

Yes. consistent consistent you know just on that can I just ask you a little question so with the structures like water and sewer lines what happens to those when you guys knock the buildings down they tap them and leave them in place so they'll be kept there is a sewer there is a storm sewer that goes to the location all power has already been disconnected uh and the water is going to be uh capped up or demolishing demolition.

All right. 37. Best management practices will be utilized to minimize the nonpoint discharge of excess nutrients, organics, and eroded soils into coastal waters. Consistent 38. The quality and quantity of surface water and groundwater supplies will be conser conserved and protected particularly where such waters constitute the primary or sole source of water supply. Yeah. [clears throat]

All right. Uh 44. preserve and protect freshwater wetlands and preserve the benefits derived from these areas. Very consistent didn't come see but the salt line really moves. So there's actually some presence of salt here and actually depending on how much rain we have, how dry it is. The salt line kind of tends to be down near Pikipsy but and doesn't really ever get totally up here. So we further south but there is some salt here but we need some salt. Okay,

good. Oh, I did. You can make it look better now for motion based on your review the cost assessment form and decisions would flow over the project that the other. Okay, we have a motion and a second by M. Commission. Um but the city would let no it's consistent with making consistent so that so yes

so all in favor I go carried the kaying now is it just going to be limited to the lagoon because once you get out to that it goes

I don't know if you were going to do that for a couple reasons. One, if it's very very very low divide there at low tide. So if you have not planned out your setting, you're going to get sucked. The other concern is that's a 12 acre federally protected wetland that essentially all drains in and out under one very small bridge where the flow gets extremely constant. It's like I don't want to send people knowingly who just started a kayak for the first time needs to a wetland that may be dry up because they haven't figured out and then under a dangerous bridge. Yeah. Um Okay. But a green space. Awesome. Yeah. Whatever. All for it.

All right. Thank you. Thanks, Julie. We have one more. We first

Oh, uh I don't Oh, wait. Did you remember about the secret? Okay. Yeah, we got one more item on the agenda.

So, you may or may not be aware of the governor's budget. There are proposed changes uh in the secret regulations. Um the CAC has already initiated the review and has um made some comments. I would like to have um a few of the board members um participate uh with staff to look at those and uh provide some recommendations back to the board. So we're going to keep Andrew who's already left you Clara and Sage as our as our reps to get back with us. You would be through very good people. Let me sit down and um go send some information out to you. Um and uh talk about it.

It's still kind of in the infancy stage, right? I don't Well, it's it's in the governor's budget. Um, so there are some things that will affect Kingston and uh this board to you know you to be aware of them and think about them and then make some recommendations back to the board. Sure. On your advice. Okay. And that is it. So we'll be in touch. Second motion's got a motion with Matt on a second. All [clears throat] in favor? I I post carry. Thank you everybody.