Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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think have been resolved at this point okay okay all right yeah okay next on agenda is the ad so how so that we have an abundance of uh parp and we don't limit anyone speaking for shall be completed by prior to speaking all intent demogra name res we require speakers the count resid no I don't well because of my past uh experience as a military spouse I would say sometimes you interest in place neighboring counties are experiencing out Town School people May probably lock it down

can't quote that seemar but but I don't know that one or two exceptions maybe where we get number out of County people talking anyway um you know and be a problem develop remember I [Music] remember you know I still want to see people sign up you know and can be done here it can be done by just simply you know notifying the plan office they wish to speak and then give people the opportunity to you know as basis afterwards um you know to to go ahead and speak you by exception I guess I'm not I haven't seen the need people to the end you get a few and as as they their name and address so we know whether count or not then I you know I'm still okay with that can we just change the say sign form shall be available

and that way the int to keep keep record of everybody speaks any they're supposed to say their name that way it's not a it's just will be avilable people information afterwards okay all right so I make a motion that under section order public hearing a we we re to say AV foring to yeah didn't mean to not includ the rest of the statement I think we should also say sign sheets to include name address name and address it actually says print name phone number address personing to speak application Number issue address so should that that request should be on the sheet yes so okay yes okay so do we re uh read this motion again this proper context I make a motion that we change section 4 order of public hearing a to say sign up forms shall be available for persons wishing to speak listing printed name phone number

and address of person wishing to speak an application number of the issue to be addressed second uh all favor please ra your hands right pass unanimously right okay all right so we also need to uh vote to adop the laws all right um yes start time is like earlier if possible that's not always sure all right so I think he is of the meeting itself moving from the 600 okay all right I ask that has for to make it more comp every half hour half hour ear homee 6:30 right we change the starting time till 6:30 on the second Tuesday of the month

right right right uh [Music] has [Music] apologize for long time people home that's all right I think you another in regarding board membership I'm going to recomend that we add board Curr requ that commission must be of the county um I propose that the Commissioners should be res of their respective districts res or Lander nebor with the concentration of MERS Liv one part of the county and I additionally inv considerations to making onear member a m to be appointed by the county manager as an employee of the county the second at large member be uh either aard supervisor member or a designated M supervisors with the goal of improving Communications between those two critical stolder groups for example econom count econ devel service whatever issues the that can bring their persective and

similarly with supervisors their priorities are know to us soit us here um my thoughts on people we proms your it all fixs the whole so that aspect my is that you are and Ione that has any um um to oppose that that thought you the mic is now open I would comment that you've got five supervisors one of them at large each is allowed two selections to this body now if you want to expand it to 12 so that you can pull in people from other areas I don't agree with that but that's the only way I would vote for it I mean if you take them away from the at large you're you're impacting one of the supervisors same function same set of um constituencies I mean the the base is a very important part of this County and we're well aware of it but I don't know that they should be nominating people to sit on panels as such in fact when I was working Bas who did you say you wanted one of them done the captain no no no now who Board of Supervisors Board of Supervisors either one of the

supervisors is a member or a design and the other one oh I'm sorry I misunderstood what you were at the base but yes we could have theoretically we could have 10 Commissioners from Hopyard 10 from Shilo or 10 from dogr if and without this additional control and with grow and concentration I'm trying to anticipate the challenges we're going to face with growth growth is inevitable and ensuring that special interests and local interests don't dominate the the discussion for for the county now we have neighboring jurisdictions that are facing this exact problem now I can understand the logic and you know wanting to have uh Commissioners from districts live in those districts I don't follow the logic with the at large really at all maybe you can expand on that well um without expanding and I don't agree with expanding beyond our current number um it's a way that actually the proposal again with respect to the at large uh Commissioners The Proposal is basically that each each supervisor except the at large or you the at large can do it too and coordination with the county but the county manager has a rep on the board of his or her choice and the Board of Supervisors has a rep because right now we're not communicating you know it's ad hoc it's not intentional it's you feel you the need to inran the county manager to a greater degree than they're currently enfranchised is that your

point I'm seeking improved information flow to the Planning Commission and the execution of our duties from these groups now statute Virginia Statute permits this in fact encourages let me just read um under section one members uh c one member of the commission may be a member of the board and one member may be a member of the County government the term of each of these two members shall be coextensive with the term of office to which he has been elected or appointed unless the board at the first regular meeting each year appoints others to serve as their representatives so we have have something in our bylaws that talks to this right how would you change it we permit it well the state permits it it's it's PR we're just we're just not exercising we're gonna in yes so Senator Stewart County in County attorney is he's he's ill but he is watching online and he just just sent me a message and I'm I've got that section of state code 152222 that you reference um Senator Stuart Matt this is the purview of the supervisors not the Planning Commission so that is the guidance from Senator Stewart that the appointment of specific individuals should be delegated and it is the purview of the County Board of Supervisors and please let Senator Stewart know that um we're making this a recommendation as all are all our decisions are to the Board of Supervisors Mr Myers yes sir Mar I think you had a Mr Mars you had a comment no I was going to say I think that's a supervisor all right recommends for supervisors

membership should be constituted according to so if you if you wish please make a motion make a motion we recommend to the Board of Supervisors that the composition of the board should be um according with the uh the commissioner should be resident of the districts to which they are appointed and that the um one member be um appointed by the Board of Supervisors be a supervisor or appointed by the supervisor and one member be appointed by the county manager or or his or her delegate okay motion has been made do I have any seconds all right see that there is none your your motion has fallen short of a second nomination so therefore um it is unone takes no votes okay all right all right next on our agenda do believe is real fast we so like to getp behind the first part of that which is requiring you to live in the district to which you're nominated I wouldn't want to Second the second part of that so I don't know if we want to discuss an AB bridged version of the motion I'd second that it's common sense that we live in the district in which we represent in full disclosure I believe I am the only representative up here that who is does not currently live in The District in which they've been nominated I was nominated by TC for the James Monroe district and I live in Shiloh because he could not find people

at the time that wanted to be on the Planning Commission never mind so I mean I so I would have to so I I think we've we've uh we've taken this issue up we've you've motions been made we have uh declined to make a second I think we're ready to move on right okay yeah next uh electronic participation uh policy open for a discussion on that on I think we still need to do a total review of the B oh do we okay I'm sorry we still on U bws all right we have next that are there any other changes to the bylaws that uh any recommendations at this point I make a motion that we approve the bylaws as amended all right second motions been made and seconded all in favor show of hands all right unanimously uh to that the adoption of bylaws be accepted and that is now closed all right next electronic participation policy okay open for discussion rarely have anybody that does it normally it's if somebody's on travel or gets sick I think we leave it as is yeah I don't we did a lot of we put a lot of thought into this I don't I don't have any issues with it it's not abused not all yeah I would like to have some clarification of about exactly how we deal with those personal matters there have been a couple different meetings

over the past year where I have not been in the county I was in a position where I could have participated via Tel you know via teams or via electronic mechanisms honestly I was told that just being on travel and being out is not an acceptable personal matter it's it's it's one of those things where uh as Mr U Parker just said it's something that we've never had an issue with as far as being abused um if it's okay if you say it's something personal then we we trust your integrity and but there's there's just been times when I have not been in the county I've been out traveling since mostly retired and I travel more but I would be able to partition my time to to where I could participate I will bring that in the future I will bring it to the board at a time and we can follow the procedure that's laid out there that says that you all get to vote about whether or not it's adequate for me to participate right I don't I don't think it's written in there but the way I've the way we've used it in the past and the my understanding of it is if you're not here there's things you can't hear there's there's stuff that happens during a meeting that make it tough to vote if there's something that we've been working on for months then I think it's appropriate you know we're informed and we know to vote so we've kind of so every so far I think we've only used it a couple times right and it's been on times when we've been leading up to a vote maybe we taed something this month and you're out of town next month and you come in and use it but just for a regular meeting I I don't I think you miss enough while you're not here um and our our electronic is getting better so I think as that goes it may get better to where we can do that but it's nice to have most of it happen here sir you I'm not

I'm not suggesting that I would abuse it and and be on travel every month but so are you suggesting that I not try to do that next time because it says that you bring it up and the rest of the the rest of the of the commission votes on whether that's that personal matter is sufficient to allow you to I think everybody we've had on the Commission in my time have been well-meaning thought [Music] you know people who if they don't think they've got enough information you know they they might hesitate to vote or abstain I I think leaving it to our respect for each other is that if you want to call in it's certainly anybody's privilege to do so and we everybody occasionally gets caught out somewhere else due to other requirements and things dragging on their time but you know if if you're listening in and you don't think you're catching all the conversation then I leave it to that individual to say then I can abstain from the vote if I don't think I've got sufficient information all right or conversely if we needed a quorum to move something important then we would ask you you know if you're able can you sign in cast a vote and thank you for indulging the question we will deal with it as it comes up next time I I would point out if anybody didn't read this real closely you know if you miss three consecutive meetings and we've talked about them in terms of it doesn't say it in here quite this way but if you miss three consecutive meetings you're done right and if you miss four in a year you're done and I believe that's really at the discretion of the supervisor who appointed

you that last part I'm not 100% certain of it it may be without our ability to do that internally but I've never known that to happen either most people are pretty conscientious and I think this panel as it's currently constituted is conscientious so I'm not concerned about it all right are there any others I was going to make a motion that we adopt the electronic participation policy as it stands most motion has been made and seconded all in favor show of hands all right and say I all right the policy has been adop has been accepted right and it's now closed next uh the adoption of the 2025 uh meeting schedule and I think it's on page 21 of the packet um and it's I think it's in consist consistency with uh the schedule we're currently on right the only change Mr chair was that the November meeting would have to be moved as that Tuesday is a holiday so I proposed for Monday and I'll change the time to 6:30 yeah all right would anyone uh object to changing that to the Wednesday that way if we have a 4-day weekend we don't have a meeting in the middle of it any objections on that recommendation all right all right uh so that I guess we can take that as a motion from you I make a motion that we change the November meeting to Wednesday

November 12th all second motions been made in second all in favor I raise your hands right so I think that is being recorded and if if I'm not mistaken a lot of times we don't even no yeah so yeah all right so uh if we can if I can I have a motion to adopt the whole schedule motion to adopt the 2025 meeting schedule as modified second all right made in seconded all in favor raise your hands I all right unanimously uh accepted all right I think we're ready for the next agenda item which is approval of the minutes for December 10th 2024 all right take a moment to scroll through objections all right if there are no objections if I have a motion other minut is accepted all right motion's been made second seconded all in favor say raise hand say I one one exstension which is two abstentions I apologize okay all right okay next on the agenda is us our citizen public uh comment period comments will be limited to a thre minute per person uh to afford everyone an opportunity to speak if comments are if comments relate to a specific public hearing item we are

asking that you offer those comments at the time of the public hearing right um do we have all right we've got our clock to your left our right uh uh and if you would uh please state your name and uh I think your address is is appropriate um we we begin my name is Gary Butler uh I'm not a resident of the county I want you to expand your thinking on who's got to sign up to speak uh I've been here since 1959 I own exit realy expertise I give thousands and thousands of dollars a year to the county uh giving back to the community and I pay a lot of taxes in the county through the business and uh I think you should make uh public comment available to the most expanded opportunities that you can present there are also a lot of uh absentee land owners that aren't residents of the county but they own land in the county and they pay taxes in the county so just throw that out for your for your thoughts I'm a former member of the uh Board of zoning appeals I'm a former member of the Planning Commission and I'm a former member of the Board of Supervisors so I've been through all of this I've been through a comprehensive plan uh review been through rezonings uh the uh text amendment that you all have been asked to discuss hold a public hearing on and make a motion and a vote to the Board of Supervisors uh I would like to be able to engage Eng for about 20 minutes to a half an hour in a discussion with you about it unfortunately in a minute and 35 seconds I have left all I can do is hit some bullets uh talked with a lot of people

talked with some of you all uh growth in the county seems to be a concern but if I was to ask each one of you uh what is our growth rate in the county the most common answer I get is 10% fact is it's 2% 2.3 and in a county of 28,000 people if you can't manage 2% growth then you're not managing and uh the tax uh ramifications if you rezone the county 91.4% of the county everything in green is zoned agricultural it's the strictest zoning in the state of Virginia as far as density allow is uh in there uh two acres and uh 10 acres Zoning for A2 and A1 uh nobody else has 90% of their County zoned AG that much agriculture there's no a R1 zoning in the county that isn't already built out like Hopyard Hopyard is now sold out that's going to slow growth uh tremendously in itself uh infrastructure is part of the reason they say they want to stop subdivisions well agriculturally Zone land doesn't impact infrastructure it has its own Wells and its own septics uh I could go on and on and on uh the tax rate in King George County is only 68 cents per 100 to the lowest in the Fredericksburg area so we're under taxed nobody wants to raise taxes but that's a fact goes by fast all right thank you Mr Butler for your comments I'm gonna send a letter to each one of you to where I can have half hour's worth of reading material for you on it so thank you sir thank you and I would suggest also that your next when you have your public hearing you move it somewhere like the high school auditorium because there'll be a whole thank you for your comment

sir thank you good evening my name is Thomas U Washington I'm at 6255 Windsor Drive um I'm a retired Colonel combat veteran and also a realtor with Samson properties um our family has owned land in the county for over 300 years uh that's nine Generations in addition to um that I'm speaking for Two Brothers now that own property at our same farm and seral cousins and we have numerous nieces and nephews um all of them land owners in the county uh the Washington family is not familiar with this current A1 A2 resoning Amendment or text measure uh or process um I for instance just found out about this three days ago uh thanks to Gary um by putting it out there um we don't know what the reasoning is behind this other than growth is the issue um but there's been no notices no mailings I think we have to do the push to the county to get the information instead of pushpull kind of thing um on correspondence and any kind of thoughts or measures on any changes to A1 A2 zoning um our family is completely against uh any changes uh we're currently very satisfied with the A2 A1 zoning as it is and anything that is a adjustment to that from what we're learning is in our opinion uh in infringement on our land

rights thank you I appreciate it all right thank you Mr Wasington for your comments good evening Mr chairman Planning Commission members my name is Allan West I live at 8700 trumpet court and I'm a taxpayer and a business owner in the county and uh don't have enough time to explain all the reasons why I oppose the the proposed text Amendment and I understand there issues the county faces and have to deal with budgets and growth and all those kinds of things but this text amendment is not the right lever to pull to try to change make changes or solve all your problems and I think that there should be an in-depth review as to why what the ramifications are why the board came up with this and I'm sure you guys will look into it deeply I I I want you to know that myself and people I'm sure they're here would be happy to participate in any committees or group meetings to try to get to the root of it and try to come up with solutions that uh create a win-win situation um I'm happy to help I did call down to the uh Community Development office today to find out how many single family building permits there were in the issued in 2024 and the number that I got was uh 153 single family dwellings 205 occupancy permits some of those might be additions and some other things but 153 building permits that's what we're talking about in the county that's causing all the problems really need to look into this this is something that Generations are going to have to deal with and I hope that you'll really dig into it and look to people in the county for help to come up with uh some solutions thank you thank you Mr West

good evening chairman commissioner my name is David grip over uh I'm from the dowr district 2293 Nancy Lane I am a third generation resident of this County my family has been here since the 1970s um and we've continued to call this place our home uh for ever since my grandfather and my father before me I'm here to oppose the new text um uh rezoning of the Agricultural districts um and kind of share my side of the perspective as the younger generation in King George County um so far the County's offerings of affordable or temporary housing has been rather abysmal uh compared to uh uh surrounding counties my wife and I have spent the last two years looking for an opportunity to stake our claim uh in King George County to make this our forever home just like my family has done for the last few decades um this hoing housing shortage along with uh the the market we find ourselves in um has made it difficult to find land and stake our claim here in King George County and these proposed amendments to the agricultural zoning uh would make that increasingly more difficult this would make it nearly impossible for many of my generation uh to get in land ownership into the county and continue to offer uh ourselves and our service to this community as we have done so for many years we're the next generation of your public servants your service members and employees that are going to work at your new tech centers we have just as much right to be here as anyone else and uh we we are the ones who want to continue to keep the values of King

George County the way they have been um and the way we've been proliferating them over the last few years um we like many others in my generation are planning to build on these agricultural regions that make up so much of our County um and as mentioned by Mr Butler these regions aren't a uh aren't a burden on the county we pay for our own Wells our own septic systems many of us don't even utilize the public schools um many of us are uh professional uh job workers pay our taxes do everything that's necessary to help contribute a net positive to the county I would just ask that the the board and everyone listening um take a moment and consider that it's easy to make these dramatic decisions uh when all of you already have your land your property ranches farms whatever it may be but take a moment and think about this next generation of King George residents who are looking for the same thing looking to lay claim to our part of King George County no matter how small and uh give us a chance to uh uh maintain our home thank you thank you Mr G good evening my name is Jim Buckley I live at 5306 Piney Green Drive in the county uh when it comes to planning whether it's economic housing Transportation or even military planning uh or any other type of planning that you do one must consider the area of operation in your case the county and the area of Interest those things that lie outside the county your adjacent counties and what's going on there what you can and cannot control but part of this is too is I I want to direct your attention and maybe

you've already seen this to a November 20 23 study and it's a rather extensive study that was prepared by economic experts for the governor of the Commonwealth Virginia titled housing and economic development strategy for Virginia you can find it online at vhc.com I think you may find it interesting in a competitive landscape where regions and states race to attract both talent and business the value of housing affordability and availability is becoming as important to the local Workforce as skilled workers are to employers inadequate housing Supply hampers Workforce Mobility limits job opportunities and negatively impacts a state's economic competitiveness if appropriate housing is not available firms will face challenges attracting new workers from other states and possibly lose existing workers who may be driven Away by Rising costs like you heard from Mr grip over over here impactful economic development plan needs to be matched with a wellth thought-out housing plan to be successful in this environment this report offers insights and recommendations to guide policy makers and stakeholders in fostering sustainable economic development through housing initiatives for the Commonwealth of Virginia you want to be part of the team guys this you're not an island and neither is King George you have to know what's going on to the left what's Happ

going on to the right if you don't do that this will be a foul anchor thank you all right thank you Mr bucklet good evening my name is Scott Cleveland I live at 6020 pic Landing Drive and I've been a resident here for about 20 years been up and up and down the banks of atomic for probably 50 um I'm definitely disturbed by the text Amendment for to division four um you look at what's going on in the county right now and the amount of growth that we have the zoning is working all the zoning that we have the money that we've spent in the past um the comp plan are we actually abiding by the comp plan or or is this just complete destruction we have just over 300 people a year that move into this County that's that's not a lot of people I mean the the zoning continues to work I think it's just over Gary said just over 2% I think it's between one and two% growth that we've seen over the last couple years um I mean that's an average I think one person every 300 acres or so once you talk about the increase in uh in uh density looking back at what I do and I'm a real estate broker with remac super center here so I do I live in King George but I own the franchise here um we talk to people every day I'm working with a couple right now their family has owned property in King George for nearly a hundred years and they're taking a small parcel 30 to 50 acres and they want to cut it between the brothers and sisters to be able to sell it and go buy their own home they don't want to live next door to each other but they want to go buy their own home based on what this amendment's going to do they have one lot they they can't even divide it they can't do any even they want to sell a partial off they can't they're stuck with it and it's worth one I'd say 30% of what it's worth if you continue to keep the existing

zoning the zoning we have in the county works right now it is not easy to develop property in King George County you're limiting growth we're growing by 1% a year so I just want to make sure that you all take this into consideration and give it some serious thought before you follow anything that has to do with this amendment thank you thank you sir good evening my name is Bob be I'm resident 15316 Kings Highway King George my family has been here for over 300 years I have over hundreds of extended cousins in the county dozens of families are related to ours most have been the shallow District throughout our family we have accumulated land over the years and we've kept it as part of our heritage not big acreage could be 20 30 40 acres as we maintained as part of our heritage we want perhaps pass over to our uh Sons or daughters the the regulations prohibit it extending it Beyond family subdivisions we cannot give land to our nieces nephews aunts or uncles so that prohibits us to extend the uh gift of uh land to Extended parts of our family if we wanted to how many people can afford to maintain 20 30 40 50 acres anymore and put a house on it this precludes the young people to investing in large Lots like that we need to have the have the opportunity to have smaller Parcels also now as a senior citizen I'm concerned about what you're doing by

precluding me for perhaps selling small Parcels of our land to uh raise our reti retirement income you're taking things away from our residents that have accumulated their wealth over the years and land is part of our family wealth and yours as well I urge you to vote against this proposal thank you Mr Barett I'm Rose Payne I live at 15123 hazelnut Lane like the Washington family the Payne family has had Farmland since the Civil War I have been in this County for 86 years I don't mind you knowing how old I am I am totally baffled on why you want to change this farmers aren't developers and I understand that you're trying to hold down the development because our schools are overwhelmed I understand all of that but I don't understand why you want to penalize the rights of property owners trying to tell us what we can or cannot do with the acreage that we've had all our lives I don't get that I need to know more about this I am totally opposed to this and I think it is very wrong that you're even considering changing that if you have a a farm that's a 100 acres only two buildings can go on that because you got to have 50 acres and I

thought about young people and I just heard one they can't afford land in the county now you're going to make it impossible for our young people to stay in the county I'm too old to be considered young anymore but I pay a lot of taxes believe me I pay a lot of real estate practice taxes I live on one farm and have cattle on another one so it's not like I'm not supporting the county I just don't understand why this is a good idea for citizens of the county and I am grateful to Gary too because I did not hear about this until a couple of days ago where's the transparency that I keep hearing from this from the these and from the board of super vises I think you need to really think this through I've not heard anything but opposition tonight and I guarantee you if more people in this County knew exactly what you're planning you'd have a whole lot more opposition thank you for listening to me and I hope you will really consider this because we are not for this thank you thank you hello my name's Katie Evans and I'm a camir I've only been here 10 years maybe I live in a subdivision back off of gambo Creek you know there's like 20 houses but and I'm trying to understand what's going on I heard about this God I don't even know

how I heard about it about a week ago um and I've had people explain it to me and the only thing that I really caught was as you increase the size of lots you devalue their property because they can't split it up anymore and those of us in subdivisions are around an acre two acres maybe less as their taxes will probably stagnate or go down because their F value of their property's gone down we're going to be having to pay the bulk of the taxes on our one acre lot because theirs is being devalued ours value is going up so our taxes are going to Triple well I'm about to retire can I afford to stay in King George I love King George it it's beautiful I have chickens first time I've had chickens so please please delve into this really examine it all the people that said you know had good good points please think about it before you vote thank you Miss Evans thank you H good evening my name is David bar no relation to Mr Bob beard but I'm going to make some similar comments as him uh one thing I want to mention commissioner dorta is that how you say your name mentioned earlier he said that growth is inevitable all right so if it's inevitable why are we trying to stop any growth uh urban sprawl as we've all heard that phrase before usually relates to residential districts not agricult agricultural districts um uh by the way there are no come here in King George that's only a Northern

Neck term um that's I I had a business in the Northern Neck for 10 years so I can say that um I've been a resident of King George for 15 years my wife and I bought 35 Acres uh oh sorry 7430 Dogwood Lane uh we bought 35 Acres with the intent to uh build our family farm horse farm uh our estate Our Heritage uh under the current zoning we would be able to cut off two acres for our sun under the current on the proposed uh increase uh for the A2 zoning it' be 20 acres well that means I have to have 40 to be able to subdivide to give my son anything so if this gets approved you just killed my opportunity for my son uh also uh with regards to the farmers uh I'm a wannabe farmer again horse um I I I'm a land surveyor by trade so I work with a lot of farmers um and I see over the years how uh Family Farms the younger generation may not want to continue the farming uh so they end up selling the property well by doing this amendment you just significantly decrease the value of that property or even if it's the farmer who said okay I've been doing this you know we've been doing this for Generations we're finally done we want to retire um and they want to sell the property so again you're significantly reducing the value of that property by uh changing the zoning minimum lot size um also just as far as Land Management um you know you have a bad couple of years as a farmer and you need to pay bills so what do you do you cut off a couple acres here couple acres there you do it to makins meet throughout the years um so I am definitely opposed uh

to this new uh text Amendment and uh I would ask that you submit that to the uh to the Board of Supervisors thank you thank you Mr Mayor um my name is k Campbell I live in Vernon Woods in King George Virginia um one thing that I'm getting and a lot of people have been saying and this was my reaction I just found out about it this couple of days ago nobody seems to know why where this came from uh there was some slight reference to infrastructure is the county has the planning and the work of the county been so bad that we have to penalize the people who live here and the resolution that the Board of Supervisors put out it says whereas the board is of the opinion that public necessity convenience General W welfare and good zoning warrant the consideration of this amendment public necessity uh nobody has ever bothered to explain why it's publicly necessary to take people's right to do with their land what they had always planned to do to be able to sell it to to prevent young people from being able to come in um I'm not sure I I see how that's a public necessity convenience was another reason that was put in this resolution they presented to the people um is it

convenient for people not to be able to utilize and sell their land as you've heard so many cases they've always planned for young people and and other people to to be able to come in and own land um or we the county that says don't come in we don't want you little scary General Welfare well let's see if the tax values are going to go down on all those 50 acres that are more properties H the value goes down that means the real estate tax is going to have to go up or they now have over five acres so let's see why don't we get land use tax relief which means they will pay less tax because they have more land so that means that somewhere we we haven't done anything to help the situation and it's good zoning practice I it's hard for me to understand that infringing on the rights of people is good practice thank you m tample just go are there any others all right my name's Perry Valen I'm farmer here in King George moved here 25 years ago um from Calver County I'm at 17518 n at colane um Calver County Maryland when I graduated from college in 1984 there were 16,000 people in cber

County when we moved to King George in 1999 there were 85,000 people Mr West uh statistics other statistics have been quoted you've got growth well under control here um what you're talking about is simply a taking and I am happy to meet with any supervisor or anybody any of you commission members and discuss my experience we live through two down zonings in King in Calver County back in the 90s what you're basically asking to do here is not going to solve the growth problem because everybody has a building permit or a buildable piece of land will run to the county and get the building permit as soon as this passes so you'll have a huge jump in growth and then the problem that you're solving is 25 years ago 25 years from now you'll have no growth but you'll also have a retirement community with no opportunity for the Next Generation so anybody who's listening in Hopyard and thinking hey I don't want the schools to be crowded that's not a problem they won't be crowded because the kids that you're raising and loving and adoring okay won't be able to go to school in King George County because they won't find a place to live so if you want to King George County into retirement community then pass this otherwise the system isn't broken it's working really well and please carry on with what we're doing thanks thank you Mr Perry are there any others right going once right are there any one online at this time all right no one's

online okay right being that there no other speakers we will now uh close uh public comments period at this time and now open uh discussion on the public comment for the board so I I think there's a lack of clarification throughout the county on what is on what how what is being proposed would impact land owners and what they can do with it I'm not speaking in support or against it right now but um mrud or Mr smck are there any points of clarification you would want to to add um in regards to the comments we heard so first of all appreciate everybody coming out this was an initiating resolution um by the board back on November 4th of 2024 at their at their public meeting they directed staff to to look into this and at that meeting if recollection if my recollection is correct that's whenever the the acreage amounts were discussed now talking with uh Kelly luk here um she's gone through the zoning ordinance and without putting a number on I think she's identified 50 plus parts of the ordinance that would need to be amended if if these three numbers are changed for the A1 A2 and A3 districts respectively so it's just not as simple as changing the number there's there's a whole Domino series of of changes that will need to be made and I understand that um you know this has been in the public um you know I believe there was a meeting maybe last Friday at Mr Butler's office office you know and I

and I've got some some some phone calls talked to some people on the streets you know Matt you know we're we're thinking about coming out and talking I'm like great come on out this is this is what you know the public process is about as far as you know specifically drilling down you know is this the final number you know this this is this is the direction that staff was given from the Board of Supervisors with these specific numbers you know in my 20 plus years of local government experience I'm always trying to get to yes as a zoning administrator you sit there and have code and this is you can't do this you want to do this how do we get to yes so I think that's where we're at you know with the the discussion uh brought on by all these citizens and you know through the Commissioners and you know ultimately through the Board of Supervisors I think this needs to be a work in relationship with uh all the entities staff including citizens and PC and board so Mr chairman I don't think that specifically answers your question but I just wanted to shed some light on maybe the brief history on this you know where was you know what staff has looked at um and we are waiting further direction from the Board of Supervisors I know their next meeting is January 21 and I expect you know some some folks to come out to speak at the Board of Supervisors also but that that's the direction that staff's been given we're we're working on it right now Kelly is working on identifying those areas that would need to be changed should any of these numbers be changed to whatever they need to be but it's just not one section of code that needs needs to be changed okay right um I don't know if we're going to discuss this more later on the agenda it's listed but um just to reply to the I get really excited when people get involved in uh the community decisions and so to have this kind of turnout um I think is really important I will say that uh as far as um transparency we were so early in the process of making a

decision here that we're still trying to ourselves identify the problem and then determine what the solution might be and so I want you guys to know that you know normally once um that portion uh gets defined it would go to a public hearing which would be advertised and um you know we're not at that point yet so I just don't want anybody to think that we were going to vote on this without the community involvement or knowledge of it I want to U second that the vice chair's remarks the public participation is essential uh Mr Butler I wanted to remark that the um giving preference to to Residents would also include taxpayers business owners and other stakeholders I wouldn't think of excluding them um I would like to let everybody know that you're all here is which is one wonderful to see um the comprehensive plan is coming up for Renewal this year um I don't know if it it'll be within the next 12 months but the process will begin and your input and anyone who wants to volunteer to participate in that process these are decisions about where do we want the settlement areas where do you want concentrated high density housing and where where we really want to protect for recreation Agriculture and and the things we value but your input is critical and these plans endure for five six seven years before they're revised again and they they control many of the decisions this body makes and we encourage as much Community participation as we can get and thank you for being here again

tonight so just to add a couple comments um from viewing list to the previous board meetings I think the intent here is not necessarily again and I'm not speaking in support or against this but just trying to clarify I don't think the the intent of the board was to prevent a lot of what y'all are concerned about what would be prevented um for instance to the gentleman who was worried about not being almost put off two AC years for his son I believe what they've discussed would be written in a manner where you were would still be 100% allowed to do that I think the intent here is to prevent a developer from coming in buying essentially 50 acres splitting it down into 10 houses right now within if it's zone 5 acre lots or whatever right and effectively create a neighborhood without offering propers to improve the infrastructure that would then go to that neighborhood now it should be wrong this is just how I've interpreted what the board has has been um discussing but I I don't think it is intended to stop you from using your land how you want to use it right now um but again I I should be wrong so I'd like to propose that we make a sub committee to involve the stakeholders and the supervisors and hopes that we can that we can yeah that's that's later on in in the agenda what's that that's later on we've get that's down in the agenda there all right are there any more comments from the uh commission I just think this is one of those things that we had we heard 12 people speak against it I agree with all 12 of them um if we're going to go about doing this there's got to be a better way to do it than this and I feel

like this is probably one of the most Draconian measures that's come in front of us in the 10 years I've been doing well again I mean so to your point Mr Court I think part of it is there there seems a lot of a lot of this has been driven by a lack of transparency like we found out about it last month but it was kind of an passing comment right so I I'm I'm just learning what what one of the drivers for it is and and again if that's what if that's what an end goal is I think there's a better way to go about doing it than restricting property owner rights we also received a letter from the president of the far far and against this um know Dixie Washington a longtime broker in the area um a lot of these people even though they didn't say are uh Realtors and experts on land um but that entire Community me included is opposed to the way the way they're trying to solve this problem I was going to hold my comments until we got to it in the agenda but I'll go ahead and jump in now since most people have already commented um I really don't like the way this has come about I think this needs to be an a a holistic review of what's going on we need to take a look at some of the data some of the things that Mr Butler brought out what is our real growth rate what is our real number of of applications that have come in what is the plan what percentage of the county are zoned uh in these types of zoning what is the size I'd asked last time last month to get some data about how many of the tracks of land that are in these zones even fit Within These categories how many people are already less than 50 acres in some of these you know we may be absolutely rting people from doing anything else with their property and

that's nothing that we should take take lightly taking away people's property rights uh this really needs to be done in a comprehensive fashion along with as Mr Kendrick has brought up a couple times we're really delinquent in getting started in our process of reviewing the comprehensive plan we need to be looking at where do we want the developments in this County to occur we have a shortage of affordable housing we need to find out a place where we can get some affordable housing we can't just shut it down blanket across the entire County we need to take a look at that in terms of where it impacts infrastructure in terms of water and sewer take a look at school systems and where those things need to occur where we want commercial infrastructure this needs to be a holistic look in the comprehensive plan not just a not just a quick reaction to fix something that we're not even sure what it is we're fixing at least at this point go a little further it uh it feels like a preemptive strike for a problem we haven't even really experienced yet uh it's heavy-handed it does to my mind I'm not commenting on the legal nature of it but it it it does kind of feel like a taking of sorts since you're depriving people of property value that they could otherwise uh monetized to a greater extent today so I think we uh really ought not to be uh rushing into anything we can't be shortsighted about this it requires a step back and a very comprehensive uh review in my opinion just to add to the comments of my fellow commission members it feels like we've jumped to a solution without understanding the problem and and I don't I don't I'm looking forward to ongoing conversations and discussions so that I can try to understand what we're

trying to accomplish and why um I'm not seeing it yet so for the public you know it's just a big question mark in my mind right now so I would encourage enourage every citizen who's got concerns to talk to their Board of supervisor who represents where they live and see what they can tell you and by all means go to their meetings and listen to their discussion um one of the things we're supposed to do in here and they're supposed to do is discuss things in a public manner so that the citizens can hear it if you can't make a meeting check them out online you know go back and read the minutes of their meeting um I mean I'm looking forward to understanding more because I don't understand it now I I agree I I think we clearly need more information on the why here from what I understand it's it's infrastructure mostly schools and and EMS from what I understand um if that's the case I think we're I think we would be better it it takes a lot of work to change permanent zoning I think a temporary injunction or something if it's absolutely needed short term without changing the zoning would be an an easier way to get that if if we do need that and exceptions can be made in that injunction for for things we you know we would still need so um at this point I think we're in a fact finding and we just need to find out more information and more of the why with the problem all right there any more

comments from the commission all right I will end uh with this um my fellow Commissioners have spoken and they all have spoken well in bringing out valid points um but as the vice chair stated uh we are in the early stages of a due process that you all or 12 of you have participated in this evening um and all of you are entitled to participate in um like you we're looking for the why we're looking for significant answers that will help us help us help guide uh or give our suggestions to the Board of Supervisors that's our role to make suggestions based on facts based on evidence based on information that we're given and so we would do our due diligence and making sure that is done and done to the best of our ability and I will conclude with that comment okay all right so discussions uh on the public comment is now closed next our community planning Le a offic of navor Support Facility South patomic dog Mr Lynch if he's here is he he here

Mr Lynch all right thank you sir I actually have no further comment but I do like to uh offer my congratulations for your chairmanship and look forward to working with you in 2020 thank you thank you okay all right next uh public hearing there is none uh next after that on the agenda is old business um what I am well what I'm going to ask uh because we've we've this has been presented um to us uh I want to ask that we be as limited uh with your presentations as you can be um if you can do it within 10 minutes or so that would be wonderful um so with that being said updates from the applications on the applications Z 2024 through 00184 Gibson solar special exception um you you're up good evening thank you uh Ryan Gilchrist with open road Renewables um thank you Mr chair members of the Planning Commission for having me back this evening um I will absolutely keep it brief tonight I'll present on just narrowly on three topics from the questions that came up last time and I I I sent you all the response to comments last week so um hopefully that was a good primer for this the first topic is how the preservation of the land will occur uh the second is just the two minor forms of uh impact on wetlands and then the third um is just uh a followup on how the the land owners plan to harvest their Timber so on the permanent preservation um as a recap if the solar project proceeds 70% of the land will

forever be preserved and this is unique to the gibbson solar project because we're purchasing that uh the bulk of the land versus a lot of projects that would do long-term land leases and don't have the control over the land um it's accomplished um and this was the open question how it's done it's through a restrictive covenant which um it's an agreement that is actually tied to the land so not to a specific owner and the two the two parts that I would highlight is number one um so it it's attached to the deed and then number two it has to be recorded prior to construction is the way that we're presenting it so um it's in place before we do anything to the land um any questions on the permanent preservation before we move on to Wetlands I have a question uh but and please don't interpret this ter favorably unfavor any which way it's really just just real edification uh the true benefit to the county in the long run is essentially when the project ceases uh and uh you decide you've had enough selling solar power you take down your panels and we are back to a beautiful agricultural ready land in a sense does the project uh either profer or structurally convey any sense of when you no longer uh wish to operate the project I mean is there a concept of Abandonment in there so you get out 30 40 years your your technology is now outdated you decide you don't want to sell uh you don't want to raise finan to try to reput you know put it all in again U so you just leave it for a while it just sits there for three five 10 years is that concept of Abandonment somewhere in the structure anywhere if you could clarify thanks so the the

decommissioning bond is the the condition that I would point to so there's funding in place for uh the project to be fully decommissioned at any time um and that would be including if if it's deemed um not not operating the uh permit itself is also only good for 40 years so at the end of 40 years the project would either have to reapply and um either that or it would be taken down based on the decommissioning bond okay but is there is there any time frame around uh so-called deemed abandonment of the the project you just you're not operating but nor are you decommissioning kind of thing something in between yeah no ABS absolutely I understand and that's something that we would put in the sighting agreement um that goes alongside the special exception so that's one of the Clauses abandonment um one one thing I'll point out is though this this project it's Genera generating electricity at a very high value compared to the maintenance costs so if something goes wrong there's a very high incentive to fix that because you're selling electrons to the GD no I I I totally get that I'm but you're talking about a long life cycle a long project cycle and we all know that technology is uh come and go and if it's if it's feasible and and and viable I'm sure you'll continue it but at some point they may take a decision that it's it's not worth rehabilitating or or updating the project and that's where I'm come so I think you you've answered the question reasonably well but I would just U uh hope that Community Development staff and the county would uh take note of that issue going forward and what is deemed abandonment of this project at which point they have to the commission if they're not running thanks yep I'm making a note of that to

just make sure that's well covered in the sighting agreement um and we'll speak with staff about that as well okay um let's go to the next slide please um so there were questions regarding the specific impact of the project on streams and wetlands uh so first and foremost the surface structure of the project will not impact any streams the picture you're seeing here this is what it would look like if there was a cable an electrical cable that had to go underneath the Wetland to connect to islanded uh solar Fields so we'd be using this horizontal directional drilling um The Only Exception is if it's a several hundred foot run where you'd have to come up for air in a very specific spot to change direction for example so that would be you know a a fraction of a h hundredth of an acre just to put one little piece of equipment there um the other type of impact would be um for the road Crossings so uh let's go to the next slide and then I can talk cool so the the road Crossings um are the only above ground structures that would impact Wetlands um the uh this would be accomplished by um these under this uh sorry I'm mixed up on the notes here okay so this is again where the solar Fields were islanded and you'd have to access one from the other um it would be a a narrow dirt road or Gravel Road that would connect the two fields and the crossing of these streams or waterways would be perpendicular and that that would minimize the impact area and they would include vers that would maintain the flow of water so I I do have a couple pictures of those culverts on the next slide they're pretty common in rural areas uh you can see these

these pipes where the streams continue to flow underneath the road but you still have the the Minor Road that crosses the area and I'm trying to speed through it a little bit here that's why I've skipped a couple paragraphs but if there are specific Wetlands questions that I'm happy to pause on that as well I do have a couple comments I was one who brought up a lot of the wetlands concerns um I did take the language if you go back a couple slides to the to the can language that has been proposed yes right there uh the third bullet I sent that language to uh Mr Stewart and consulted with him given his experience with wetlands and DEQ and and a bunch of things if you look at his resume he's got a pretty extensive uh background and and wet lens types type of information so I reached out to him and uh he felt that this language in this condition was was pretty good he has not gotten back with me uh with any additional suggested changes but I will tell you if I look at the map there are there are two areas that I'm very concerned about with this wetlands and how you're going to get through it if we go to the map again yeah it's it comes off of this section that's on the west side of the development you're actually the connection that goes from these three isolated blocks that go all the way back across route three that's a long run through there and you're going right down the stream bed if I looked up the RPA so I assume that's one of the areas where you're talking about where you won't be able to avoid them is that correct and then the only other one that I could see was on the Eastern side where you've got in your in your bigger map you've got a road crossing marked 11 12 and 13 looks like you're going to be Crossing through quite a bit of wetlands in that section it's not on this map it'

be in the in the bigger map that's in the appendices but I've personally got concerns about those but I will leave the review of that as you've got in the conditions to the proper authorities to review and monitor that but uh I think with this conditions uh I've got nothing else that that uh that I have concerns about with the wetlands I think you've covered it with this with this language absolutely and you did you pointed out um one of the spots where that would be horizontal directional drilling for several hundred feet um it's not shown on the map here but that line changes Direction maybe three times before getting to Route three so those are the points where you would have an above ground structure that would be needed to actually reroute the cable but besides that it's all directionally drilled underneath the Wetland yeah the concern is your directional drilling is along the line of the wetlands right if you look at it so you corre have to be in there with equipment in the wetlands drilling for quite a distance but again I will leave that to The Experts that you have stated there in your conditions to review and monitor that in accordance with the state policies that works I went to the expert and he said your condition sounds pretty good to him so I yeah well and that's the beauty of that that technology you can get directly underneath the wetlands go for several hundred feet without impacting the surface and only when you have to make a couple turns do actually have to do anything that would impact the wetlands otherwise you're way below the stream bed well we're all watching what's going on on Route three as we're apparently burying tables all the way out route three all the way to Fredericksburg and it looks like they're popping up about every 150 to 200 feet not several hundred right and it depends on the diameter of the cable depends on how much they're burying yep

absolutely um so the last topic is on Timber so uh as part of the response to comments that I sent in last week I provided Michael Bob's surveying report um which showed the delineation between the areas that would most likely be harvested immediately in the areas that he's recommending to harvest within 10 years uh as long as the land owner follows the recommendations so um he also helped us just gain an elementary knowledge of the Timber Market um and we learned that basically all the the timber has value today that Center Bar there is the approximately 30% of the site that's recommended for immediate Harvest it's Pine Saw Timber it can be used for large posts and large Lumber um that's valued at about $23 per ton right now even the timber that is not ready ready to harvest and would be in 10 years that's the bar on the right there which is called chip and saw that and that's valued already at $18 a ton um and that's the wood that is used for 2x4s on the interior and then the exterior of the tree is all um you the the pine chips so even in areas where the the recommended uh Horizon for Harvest is still 10 years out the land owners would still see incentive to do that immediately um if the project were to move forward um there were some questions last week about you know whether the land owners would actually Harvest so that's what I covered on this last slide here we had a chance to reach out to U there are six land owners who own land that have Timber on it that'd be part of the project the rest are all the open pasture land uh the the primary parcel that would be affected is the area with the green there on the right side of this map that's known by the pain trust and uh we spoke with Greg Payne who owns that land they planted their Pines 20 years ago

and they're getting ready to harvest it very soon anyway so he said irrespective of the project they're going to go ahead and harvest um we had similar responses from all of the other land owners you can see the map on the next slide um the the green areas on the the right side here that's uh Jim fogs property and then the Roberson tract and those uh those both confirmed as well that they're when they get the surveyor's Direction they would follow that direction whether or not the the project move forward in a couple years just wondering again how many total acres are you planning to log 590 acres are forested right now thank you sir we've not we've not discussed or if we have I've forgotten it already is there a phased plan of of what sections you're planning to build out and how you're planning to build those out uh that would not seen any representation of that in any of these Maps yeah that that is not this is still at the 10% in side phase or even less once the we move into the 30% design drawing or later then we start to look at exactly what areas would be constructed first okay you don't you don't at this time have a phased plan not at this time and you expect the total duration of this construction to take how long approximately 18 months but the beginning of it would be things like the uh substation so you'd have uh construction concentrated in one area and then you'd have each solar field every couple hundred acres would be rolled out after that you'd have the pile driving over here that would take a couple weeks in in one particular field you move on same thing so each section just takes a few weeks to go through

each so you you believe you can get through this entire project in approximately 18 months correct yeah there's a strict deadline when we have to come online and one thing we'd ask um you consider is moving forward with a public hearing next month um unless there are a lot more questions it seems like we've addressed most of them but um that's what we're seeking tonight if possible okay all right I have have one more question no um you listed five projects in the local area I think one of them was in Co pepper um I checked on the C pepper one and it wasn't rezoned but it's approved but it's not built and that was uh several years ago can you speak to why that one is not built yeah you know that one project good evening planning Commissioners Mike FY senior vice president open road Renewables one of the co-founders that project is called Greenwood solar that project will commence construction later this spring and Beyond line within 18 months that project received its special exception permit in the fall of 2018 and as a result of market conditions that project has faced economic challenges that has delayed the construction start of it uh but as we understand it there's a cliff date in the interconnection agreement and there's a cliff date in the special exception or conditional use permit that has to uh move a shovel by this summer summer of 25 and uh that will start construction later this spring would you could you email us the addresses of those projects just so I can I can tell them all all I can go right now through them if you'd like an email would be great perfect I'll make a note we'll send that to you thank

you question for staff is this application considered complete and ready for um a public hearing yes sir it is I thank the applicant for your continued responsiveness to the specific questions and your explanations and a clear lay person's ability to understand them thank you happy to be here thank you for your time thank you sir thank you all right um commission we've heard the response to our questions in the previous meeting as he just stated they are requesting a public hearing do I get a motion um for that request can I asked a couple of questions sure yes sir this is more to staff um I I understand what the project is and I'm not opposed to solar energy per se cleaner Alternative Energy um I where I'm having an issue I'm trying to Define in my mind is what are the benefits to the county because the electricity produced here will go onto the grid so it's not like it's serving just this County it's just going out on the grid um from a a revenue perspective for the County can can you explain what we could expect or maybe the general manager or the manager if he's you understand what I'm asking from a tax perspective what what do we get there's I'll defer to Ryan but I'll just say that that's a full-blown study that they did present as part of their application which you'll you'll definitely get a copy of that and I don't know off hand I don't have it all with me it's about 20 million over 40 years it's broken out into three buckets roughly two million

of that would be from the real estate taxes about 12 million from the taxes on the equipment itself then the remaining six million in voluntary payments so that so the equipment that is installed is taxable on an annual basis correct okay all right I just want to clarify and that's 500,000 a year above and beyond the current taxes that are being paid or that's total that's that's or that's just equip currently though it's I want to say it's less than $100,000 in taxes for the entire track so you'd be it's multiplied by 30 times or so thank you sir are there any other comments or questions from the commission I look forward to the staff's analysis and recommendation all right we need a move so at sorry I was just going to ask is this do we normally uh vote for a public hearing when the applicant requests it or does I thought staff usually scheduled it well we we have to make a motion to uh have it so if I can get someone to motion for a public hearing I believe we I believe we've run this through uh a number of times they've been back and answered all the questions that we've been able to come up with at least at this point I think it's time for this to come in front of the public hearing so I make a motion that we move this project on to having a public hearing

uh I need you to State the application that correct okay I make a motion that we forward application Z2 024 00184 Gibson solar special exemption for a public hearing second motion's been made and seconded all in favor say I ra hand right motion unanimously passes a public hearing will be done so and that date is to be determined is that correct we can get it on next month's agenda okay I'm just looking it looks like we've got a request for three public hearings next or which would be a lot for one meeting so we just just just be mindful the Planning Commission um so yeah so okay all right next uh again same request if we can keep this to a minimum uh update from applications on application z- 222- 000021 and z-20 24-1 194 King George technology uh Center Green energy Ventures Adison resoning and special exceptions good evening Mr chairman Vice chairman and members of the Planning Commission my name is Hobie Mitchell I am the managing partner for green energy Ventures um last month we were asked a number of questions uh first question was about the data center building details we showed a footprint if I can relate to

slide number three that's possible okay so on this particular one you saw the overall which is in the to get my little pointer here um it would be easier for me to stand up I appreciate it I got uh fractured neck and other problems so it's easier for me to sit down if that's okay thank you thank you well I'm so far away now I can hardly see it so on this overhead on the last you saw we have a a building Pad but you want to know what was within the pad so what we try to do with this exhibit and I also have an additional exhibit at the end if we can we refer to this after this so within each building footprint you'll see we use a typical building 8 which is a two-story building you'll see all the components that are generally inside of that footprint includes emergency generators uh other equipment battery storage all the internal mechanisms of the of the servers themselves and the HVAC equipment on top of the building is on top of it but this particular area is used for parking for emergency generators storage which is generally below the generator so whatever type of storage it may be for fuel whether it's diesel natural gas compressed gas or other forms would be below those uh generators there's another

detail on the extra slides which I sent actually yesterday I don't if we can get to that one it's set the very uh it was the supplemental so here was another example of uh another project and you can see that you the building footprint is that you saw earlier was this entire area and within that entire area you see you've got parking the building emergency generators and other equipment that would be on the outside of it the main road in our case route uh which would be route Three Kings Highway everything on that elevation would be uh you wouldn't see any mechanical equipment from that road or any other emergency generators sight lighting and other things would be provided throughout the site according to the ordinance so here's an example uh The Distance by the way between these buildings ranges anywhere from 125 to about 150 ft so the scale is you got a pretty good sizable area between the buildings if I can ask one question quick question when you say these buildings that are close to 301 they're going to be twostory buildings correct is it one story of server and the second story is the HVAC and other two stories of server two stories plus the HVAC correct the hvc uh units will be on the roof and they'll be shielded with screening and we have a crosssection of that and extra slides we did we talked about that the last meeting we can bring that up if you wish so do we have uh I see we have the fire chief here do we have any concerns with buildings of that height having equipment effectively three stories up well we recently uh we're going to resubmit this on our package we've been talking with the fire marshal about that uh right now you have a properer from AWS for a fire Tru there's no guarantee about what will happen with that one so what we did is we restructured and we're going to put

it in this week we restructured the propers so that we're going to contribute $2 million for a fire Tru we'll put one and a quart million when we have the first building permit and then the balance of 750 at least a year before you take delivery of a fire trucks you'll have $2 million to purchase fire truck okay and so fire chief sitting there behind you I just want to make sure he's got the proper equipment to get to these roofs because we're going to have actually four story buildings with the ones further back right because they going be three story plus HVAC to get on the roof I think the fire trucks that we were talking about providing the money for would get up to that 90 feet and we uh had some suggested language we distributed it just the other day and uh of course when we finish with our comments we'll get final uh resolutions of that but we understand that and so we would provide the equipment to do that to the fir firer now in addition to that we' also contribute $2 per 100 square feet on an annual basis of occupied space I don't think that's been done before here in King George but that could provide uh at build out $40 $150,000 a year and annual cash flow as well that's ex that's in addition to any tax revenues or anything else collected so that's all extra so the next question we had was about if there any more questions on this um the next question we had had to deal with uh transportation and uh if we can skip over that and go to uh item six on the last uh meeting uh our proposal was uh in our propers to provide uh turn lanane improvements and other miscellaneous

things including accelerating the uh v. six-year plan for improvements to the intersection of Bloomsbury Road and uh route Three Kings Highway always use numbers still so we would do that improvements that we're already in the v. 6ye plan and accelerate that but we'd also do warrant studies at phase one we do another warrant study that's on intersections one and two uh we do another warrant study 2 and a half million feet and we do another one at buildout uh we believe that that signal would be warranted in the first phase it's really needed today the second intersection three would be our main entrance and that we would also profer to do warrant studies for that particular traffic signal in phase one uh at the beginning also at two and a half million feet and a buildout but the question came up well what can we do to try to eliminate a traffic signal or all traffic signals on Route three uh interesting that was a discussion we had with v do and by the way we have our traffic engineer here to answer any technical questions here as well about uh what I'm explaining so if we can go to the next slide so we try to analyze what would happen if we tried to eliminate a traffic signal at the main entrance so we looked at another design it's called an R curve so you can see some blowups of that in fact maybe Mike if you want to stand up and kind of explain the design of that uh good evening uh Mr chairman members of commission I'm Mike Rosy I'm with Wells and Associates and we prepared the initial traffic study um as Hobie mentioned and we're working on the comments we've received from the county staff and vot staff one of those main

comments was focused on the arterial Network preserving that along Route three minimizing the number of traffic signals uh what is shown here is a full restriction at both blooms very road on the Eastern side of the page or the right hand side and then the main entrance point which is right in the center of the page at intersection three so these intersections would operate with left turns in from eastbound route three but they would be right in right out so you would turn right out only from the north side of of intersection three travel down to intersection 4 urn and and continue to go East much like occurs at some of the Crossovers that are out there under the current conditions this is the the western part of the property can we go to the next the next slide so I think the next slide shows the Eastern portion so this is over bloomsberry Road there's a similar condition there that would need to occur uh where you would you know only turn right uh left turns could come in eastbound going across but over to the east of that there's a Farm property there with a crossover so that would have to be modified to allow u-turns at that location so the the previous plan showed the how the blowups of the restrictions kind of on the western side of the site that you can see the the main entrance and the driveways that are further to the west and this one shows how they might work further to the east so this particular um this is the balloons bbery Road where we had a traffic signal this could possibly work and we would have to submit this at the site plan stage with vot to see if they would agree with this and see if we can

eliminate a traffic signal based upon our land plan based on this plan you see right here and if vot would approve this and it's acceptable to County then we would do this in lie of a traffic signal the same thing occurs here at our entrance and at the next piece by doing this design which would eliminate two traffic signals we think that uh this still needs a traffic signal and and frankly the best solution is probably to have a traffic signal here and then this what they call R curve design where you don't need a traffic signal uh that you we showed on the previous slide so U do you know whether vot currently is expecting to have one of these restricted crossovers at bloomsberry like we're going to have an awful lot of angry County Citizens if we restrict that people coming in there going to the dump they're coming from the rest of King George County they turn right and then you're going to make them turn right and go all the way down to your intersection four before they can make a U-turn and go back home commissioner we agree and so but we were asked to analyze it and so that's what we're doing we have a conclusion about what we think is the best result so and that'll be on another slide we were also asked at the last meeting by commissioner Kendrick about why don't you put the main entrance on bloombury road so if we can go to the next slide so we did a lot of engineering studies and one of the one of the bigger things that comes up is that you have some major takings by the way right now bloombury road is a prescriptive easement it's not a dedicated rideway in our application we're going to dedicate a 60 foot from the existing Center Line which is really on the property so that you can do a half section of a four-lane road right now your transportation plan

says that there has to be a four-lane divided Road uh currently right now it's a two-lane road on a prescriptive easement if you had the wideness to four lanes Not only would you have to have a traffic signal here but another one here on bloombury but the bigger problem is we'd have to condemn which the county will not do all this right away which would include include probably two houses as well I don't think the land owners there would be very happy about that uh even if we could work around that there's still a lot of traffic that would occur here and if we can figure out a solution to minimize having just one traffic signal which we think is safer and then have that R curve design at our main entrance which is specifically for us we can eliminate a traffic signal so if you can go to the next slide so our solution solution we think is works the best but it'll have to be approved by vot obviously is that a traffic signal there uh phase one we think the warrants are there today and then for the entrance and other accesses we do this R curve design which would eliminate a traffic signal and also uh keeps the traffic volumes down here so that you're this operates at a better level of service and that for us for our traffic we can utilize this and eliminate a signal but again we have to have that approved by V do and so our propers would say we'll put in the traffic signals we submit a design for these R curves to eliminate a traffic signal here and here we think ultimately this is the best solution but we'll have to go through that in a site plan process but we did look at bloombury and it's really an impractical type of solution and eliminating a signal here we think is too confusing for the General Public public and not safe as this would

be so so that uh if we have any more questions on Transportation but I think we had a very good meeting with the county and the vot last week and our propers and everything are coming in this week that reflect all this including all the transportation analysis about how they function well but we think uh that commissioner kendri I think this is a good solution for elimin one of the traffic signals and keeping this safe you really need one here today anyway so just as a general comment this this entire area not just the parcel you're planning on building on this entire area is is uh zoned for industrial or could be zone for industrial um so having a traffic light that service sort of that entire area I think is a very logical thing let me understand about your comment about blooms B and your sketch that you provide on page nine of your handout sure you go back one that's that's based on the idea that you're taking land on the east side of bloombury what about if you took all of the land necessary for the road out of the parcel you're planning on building on Mike I'll let you answer that question you know from a technical standpoint well I mean it it can be done but there's there's so much um tapering that would have to occur to come in and out to pick up all the lanes I think you'd be you'd still be taking further to the north and able to and able to accomplish gaining those lanes that that's really where it would come down to I think is that entrance would probably have to shift further to the south in order to be able to fit the tapers that you need to go back and forth so is it physically possible I

mean it could be but it' be pretty awkward I think to be able to have the tapers and meet the spacing requirements I think I think the other thing that it affects too is we're trying to dedicate 18 acres to the county for uh Service Authority work to put in a potentially water treatment facility maybe some other things if you scoot over that much it really affects this parcel that we're trying to dedicate to the county well that goes back to another comment by me your parcel seems awfully tight for the amount of construction you're planning on doing on it well it's pretty typical of how it works with the data centers I know it looks there's a lot goes in there parking internal roads so while you see these big you see these Footprints there's a lot within those Footprints see have parking you got emergency backup generators you got mechanical equipment that be on the ground parking service vehicles that would be able to park in that same footprint all right I I still have concerns about the traffic go ahead so um this is based on our proposal for the development uh including the footprints uh there was a couple other questions related to um uh the sight lighting will'll we're going to work within the existing ordinance Dark Skies is required so we have to build the ordinance same with the um exterior noise levels we're profing to the ordinance plus we're going to add to that's some annual monitoring for compliance so there'll be some extra profit dealing with compliance of noise and uh the one thing we talked about uh in certain times of the day the existing

noise level on Kings Highway is a 70 DB a so we have to come up with a model because we're actually have less on our we're profitting less on the site than what the existing is so we have to come up with an adequate model for monitoring all that but they do have technical models in order to do that now it's not in the evening you don't have a lot of rush hour that those higher levels are generally during the rush hour traffic but the existing right here is about a 70 DBA um as far as where we're at in the process Clark I think you want to uh go through all that good evening Mr chairman new chairman members of the commission I'm Clark lemming I'm just going to bring you up to date with a few developments as a hobby mentioned we been resubmitting the application uh this week with revisions to proffers one other note on the profer Hope talked about the noise uh profer really the issue there is not the noise you have a noise ordinance the issue is how do we measure it how do you keep track of it and that requires a noise test so that's that's what the profer will address as H also mentioned we've worked with our Marshall this week to update uh that profer and to come up with funding uh that can be utilized at at the Fire Marshal's choice for a new fire TR and we don't go to uh a third floor uh until such time that that money has paid to the count so that is uh hopefully in place and we spent some time discussing that uh there is also there's been some discussion and staff has pointed out some things about our proposal to use a groundwater well and we've had a discussion initially uh not for not for operations not for cooling uh and that's

the way the ordinance is set up uh so we have to clarify that we've gone to your zoning administrator uh Mr Mr vau and ask him uh to uh uh review our proposal and determine whether it is consistent with your ordinance and with state law uh so that we can proceed with that first step uh with use of a groundwater well for limited purposes for a limited uh period of time until it's possible to tie in to your to County Water um in addition when we made our last submission we did uh include a proposal for a text Amendment because of the way your ordinance is set up now regarding height so there has to be some way to get above what your ordinance says right now for data centers to work not just this one but other data centers looking at King Georgia County with active applications so we have some proposals and we are asking for uh the board to initiate as they did with your ordinance a little while ago uh pass an initiating resolution uh to start that process uh to relook at the height provision so that under certain circumstances additional height can be attained the major one of those would be the ability of the fire department to reach those higher levels so so those those are the things that we're working on uh we will have all of that uh back to the county uh this by the end of this week uh and uh and and we hope and I don't know if you want to talk about this uh Hobie but you all move forward with the public hearing with the group that was before us I think you're aware that we would very much like to move to public hearing as well we have another submission coming up uh so it may not be possible we recognize in February but we would

like you to focus on it uh focus on us for at least March and make whatever decisions need to be made uh to help that uh occur uh which and and we're happy to come back to you in February and give you another update uh as to what we've done based on what we've told you tonight and our resubmission to the uh to the county staff that will go in uh toward the end of this week and frankly with our submission for this week kind of uh memorializing all the discussions we've had in these uh last few items we're hoping that the staff concurs with that and because I think we've addressed many of the questions that came from B do um as far as the height and the servicing for Public Safety I think us adding uh some uh some extra dollars upfront so that could be use you're certain to get a fire truck if you get it a fire truck from somebody else and they come forward then that money is still there it could be used for construction purposes it could be used for other things in public safety but initially if you don't get a fire Tru we provided $2 million for that fir TR plus there's an annual contribution on top of that so we understand the public safety concerns Chief Moody made it very clear to us County staff has and so uh we said uh let's make sure the county gets a fire Tru so that's why we modified our profit to reflect that there you'll see it when it comes in we've been uh this will be seven submissions we've been doing this for several years we started this process way before the uh the zoning ordinance was updated uh we've always been in the west settlement area and uh for comprehensive planning purposes we've always been in compliant with that we never asked for any modifications of that we're working

with the county on how we can figure out ways to get permanent surface water meantime we figure out ways that we can get this going so we can become a good taxpayer this project a buildout generates a lot of money and uh if nothing else happens we will probably be the largest taxpayer in the county and over a long period of time I think it was a 30-year projection from unicap we would contribute almost $600 million in tax revenues so uh but uh we'd like to get to the public process um you've heard some things tonight from people let's get it to the public process I think we've pretty well come close to getting everything done that the staff has requested now let's hear from the general public we've had two Community meetings already we'd be glad to have more uh we'll do that again probably for a public meeting but uh we really want to get this we've been doing this for several years right now and uh we'd like to to see the Planning Commission at least authorize us to get to a public process appreciate your time any questions yeah in regards to the uh profer so the firet truck was you I think you said 2 million and it's not on your proper summary was it addition an additional bullet or is it a change to one of these we wrote it this week we wrote yeah we uh we kept hearing about the height and about public safety and reaching it and what the existing equipment is for the county and so uh there's no guarantee you're going to get a fire TR from a a previous application so we said okay we're going to step it up we'll make sure you got money for a fire truck if you so happen to get the money for the other fire truck from somebody else then you can use this money for other things like building a building to put the fire truck in so the so the profer would go to the county directly or would it go to our fire

department well it would go to the county and then uh but it's our profer is allocating it to Public Safety yes okay thank you right uh Chief I see your CIP asked for aerial ladder truck is that the same thing and and that's 2.7 okay just for the record second question is your method of cooling if not using water is it just air air cooled system air system which louder and we're not using groundwater the only thing we're using the initially until we hook up to the County public water uh is strictly for poble drinking water and probably humidification we think it's in probably around 7 or 70,000 gallons per day at buildout and is there any heat recovery system or Cen or yes we have a dry we have a dry system for fire we have fire protection on top of that dry system for the servers and probably a wet system for with storage for occupied spaces and a question for staff is this application considered complete at today then uh I I suggest we take the question of scheduling a meeting when staff informs us that the application is complete we understand that yeah I concur with that I'd like to see you know they're they're making very good concessions and changes to their conditions and their propers it'd be nice to see us get that all kind of Consolidated in in a final submission before we go to a public meeting we hearing very good things it just nice to have it submitted we know you have a busy meeting meeting it appears next month but we're happy to come back to you for another 10-minute presentation to let you know what we've accomplished in the last month so you don't go into the public

hold yeah I mean we were trying to uh we understand about February but um I think we're pretty close and we'd like to at least uh see if we have an opening till March and act towards and if you feel like we're not ready then I guess we can withhold it but we'd like to get on the calendar we've been uh you know we've been on this for quite some time um we're frankly a huge economic generator of revenues from the county and uh this outside of a an unknown start of another application is the largest economic uh development you have in the county right now and so uh I wish you would consider that do we need to address the height issue first on this if that's a non-negotiable on them Oh you mean you you staff question for staff yeah um Angela can correct me if I'm wrong Angela fugy our consultant's going to be the main staff point of contact on this she has been working on this application for a lot longer than I've been around so she's going to handle the staff report but it's my understanding that the text amendment can be handled concurrently with the application well we can always make that part of the special exception as well right we' just we've just passed forward the Gibson solar and it has things that that are that that are not in agreement with our ordinance but they've written a condition as a replacement for the ordinance so we don't have to specifically modify our ordinance to change its height restriction we can do it for this particular project with a condition we're still waiting on a legal legal interpretation you're exactly right there are more there's more than one way to do it there's more than one way to skin this we don't necessarily

have to overall change our ordinance that is correct it's that is possible yes we have good Supreme Court case law on that now sir so a quick question how how tall is the two-story building including rooftop equipment 80 feet it's 65 foots of the roof and then you have uh the balances screening and uh but the the way that you define height is by the roof line and then the screens on top of that and we use the screening for a variety of reasons one to screen what you see but also for noise attenuation so it's a good baffle for making sure that noise doesn't come off the buildings how tall is the three story three story uh is 90 ft um to the roof line and uh and then you have another 15 feet on top of that and the three stories are internal to the project so the two you you won't even see them from the roads because they're all internalized because of there was a fact we can probably go to one of the slides we did a cross-section of what that looks like it's in the package as well so if you go to let's see where is it slide there's a crosssection 28 yeah by 28 28 I'm hearing yeah plus we did some renderings here we go so you can see this represents the two-story building which I believe shows it at the total height uh including the screening but you also see along um King's Highway we're also so profing for BMS and also

profing for so not only a heavier um Landscaping buffer but also increasing the caliber the size of the Landscaping when is put in initially so this this drawing represents uh Andy you're here is this a fiveyear growth after planning 10 10 year growth so so not only did we enhance it to kind of visually block what you see with the buildings um but we use BMS we use ex not only additional Landscaping but also a larger caliber of landscaping when we initially put it in the ground if you go to the next slide it's Illustrated so this this represents a 10-year growth based upon what we planed initially uh plus the Landscaping that you see and this is from across the street on Kings Highway so this is the entrance view if you go to another view next slide over uh this is going uh eastbound I'm sorry westbound on uh Kings Highway close to the intersection of bloombury so again this represents uh not only a a 10year growth of landscape into the time we also added in some uh split rail fencing um to kind of represent some of the history of King George County is part of the street skate to to add some extra architectural design to it heartscape design and I think there's one more slide we even did one what it looks like on the other side on the south side of Route three there's some homes that live over that are over there so we took another rendering say okay at 10-year growth what would those twostory buildings look like with the screening and that's a representation of that based upon all the engineering constraints that we have

and then there was one more slide this is bloombury road so we're going Southbound on bloombury we also proferred for birming along there and so this represents what that might look like this is closest to where we are uh showing the uh the potential for putting the water treatment facility um in the county just so you know also uh we work with the services Authority but the service Authority now is designing Water and Sewer uh engineering plans to connect Oakland Park with Hopyard and so the utilities would coincide along balloons B Road as well so we'll provide easements for that for that Central system connections that combine everything from Oakland Park over there and that's where we would connect our sewer into a force pain system how tall are the substations pardon how tall are the substations behind the three stories just out of curiosity talking about the electric substations yes uh God I'm G to best 50 feet yeah maybe 50 55 feet but again they're internalized uh if you look at the uh go back to the original you can see it on this plan so uh there we go so the substations and this has all been engineered by the way with Dominion Energy so uh we're actually have a project manager on the engineering designs of that so uh this is the best locations there's four substations they're all internalized I will also say that we've avoided all the wetlands and the the environmental setbacks along

this so we've avoided all that in our designs what has your conversation been with uh with the power company about providing the necessary power to the site well we've got a commitment for them to do it and they're actually engineering it you know it's several years away but we've got some bridging power that we've worked with with Dominion to get started and uh you know obviously there's a timetable to get substations the uh substation material supply chain is backlogged but we have something to get started with to get the first few buildings going and then the the first substation will be this one actually the project will probably be built from the from the East to the West principally because the utilities like sewer and water and other things would be in this area this is kind of where we're showing the uh water treatment facility if surface water becomes available and uh so we would build it this direction this would be the first substation um and then we complete it out probably in this phase probably working along Route three first and then internalize after that do you have any preliminary plans from the from Dominion about how they will bring in the distribution lines to you yes yes in fact the Eastman are already in place we're coming from the north so you're basically coming across the existing industrial yeah there's a right here and they all tie into that 230 kV line eventually come through the existing industrial buildings industrial sections not through private land correct so if I me are we are we ready for a public hearing we're not okay so we should not then correct so do we make

a motion to postpone no you just don't make a motion make a motion yeah can we can we ask ask you for at least uh we bring it in this week we think we've addressed a lot of things where we'd like to at least maybe get to the March agenda and then uh if we find we got a problem then we can always with withhold that but we'd like to get uh on the calendar I can said you fill in and yeah I can say that I um as a principal wouldn't want to say yes to uh moving forward if if it's it's not complete and that's not anything against your project or or anything it's just as a rule if we try to to plan these things before applicants are ready kind of sets us to have to do that in the future so I I feel confident you know that when you're ready we're ready well hopefully then maybe next month um we've resubmitted the staff has looked at it and said yes I think we're ready and they can let you know that you know next month you can say okay let's put it on March agenda and uh because we really want to get it out to the public and get some feedback that they may have about it still continue to do community outreach and uh so if there's any questions to come up we' be glad to answer them ahead of any public comment so so for my My Clarity uh as rest of the bo so you want to come back in March to have a public hearing to for a public hearing I see right all right I'm not sure we need to do another presentation to you I think we pretty well have addressed things we we'll have the package in uh by the end of the week and then if staff concurs they can just tell you next month listen this application's ready correct and then you can say next month let's put it on our exactly that's exactly what I was going to suggest yeah

I would suggest we don't necessarily have a presentation but I would still put you on the agenda in case we have additional questions sure with your submission so that we can at least pin this down and take the vote on whether or not we're ready to go for a public hearing so you probably still go on the agenda that but not necessarily a 20 minute presentation like we be good great okay M thank you we appreciate it and uh we want to be good partners with the county on this and looking forward to to working with them on uh on this project we think it's a great project very so thank you very much thank you thank you all right so Mr chairman just let me make sure that we're all on the same page here so public hearing does not necessarily guarantee approval no no not at all we did several meetings with the last applicant for one of these that before we ever got to a recommendation to the board if if if I understand want to mislead the applicant thinking that he comes in March and he gets an approval correct no no it's public in is just it's part of the due process right and then good good point excellent point all right okay so uh we're still on Old business next we have an update on the proposed ordinance amendments in initiated by the Board of Supervisors I think that goes back to what you were speaking on a little early um so who's coming up for that to speak on that no that's next it's the last sub bullet on Old business sorry I apologize I apologize for that y oh okay I don't have any further information it was just for a discussion item as to how I think we had a pretty

robust discussion on this earlier so this would probably be some action that you all would take you know as if you want to form a subcommittee or not I think Mr smolik's got a pretty good grip on what's going on and is probably going to have some more discussions with the board of supervisor members I think the Board needs to come through more what they want to get out of this before we can move forward with a subcommittee to work on anything my thoughts are the we could form this committee and it would meet more than once a month and we could get with the supervisors figure out what they're after and involve the stakeholders uh to see if we can amend that subdivision ordinance to do we need a subcommittee or do we need a joint meeting with the board to understand I would say a joint meeting might be the best thing to do but right now I mean I I think I think what's out there is not good and and and the public is never going to buy into that the way it stands so to talk talk about throttling it back or or modifying it or whatever I I'd almost I would recommend for any board members listening scrap it scrap it and and and come back with a with a succinct statement of what you're trying to do and then gather public input to work around it from that point but coming out with what they got 50 acres on A1 is a nonstarter and I'm telling you there's no it's if if there's five members of the board that don't want a second term or another term Single put it in there you know what I mean that's let's so let's take this round Mr mys you have any comments on that I I just think as I said earlier if it's a temporary problem we need a temporary solution and we need to

Define exactly what the problem is and then work on work on figuring out how to get around it Mr go ahead I know that uh there was another um ordinance that was that might have been misunderstood who needed amending it's my understanding that there are people that have had issues with the family subdivision affecting them um I don't know that it's a bad idea for some of us to go through the ordinances now that they've been in effect for a year and look closely at them um and and part of that Pro process would be if we're not excited about what the Board of Supervisors proposed then it would give us a chance to find out what the problem is and possibly offer up another solution car I I agree 100% there's other things in that subdivision ordinance that should be looked at but I think if we come back and say we don't like it which it sounds like unanimously U nobody in this room like it yeah that's what I'm I'm trying if we if we come back and say no um they they can they can pass it without our consent absolutely we're we're only here for recommendations if we form a committee then we can make a a recommendation we might be able to include what their goal is which I'm not exactly sure you know what that is but if we if we go back it might be something that would be very reasonable versus what we have now so do we want to so do we need to go through and and have a vote and say no we don't agree with this recommended text Amendment and back to them or we just um tried to establish some working committee to come up with a solu we'll say noted ask us to consider so I think we should just say

noted um we are available to participate in a joint public meeting we're available to work um offline in a subcommittee to understand and address these problems but process-wise this Board of Supervisors has the full authority to do this with or without us so if we say we oppose it we get Crossways with the board we say we support it get Crossways with the public and the board says oh we're just doing with the planning committee so we we we do and I say this term a lot and I'll say it again we do our due diligence come up with our conclusion and make the recommendation whether they agree with it or disagree with it that's why we're here would not be the first time we have suggested something to them they didn't like they need to give us metrics right what is it they want to achieve over what period of time and what are the metrics we measure success by so I'm going to go back give no metrics I think I think a joint meeting would be best to start with and then Splinter off any subcommittees after that but again I go back to we we're an advisory body right but we're the conscience of the county I think the conscience clearly spoke this evening and where we're at ain't working so so I I would like to see maybe something that they would be willing to put in writing to us first and then a joint meeting to discuss it so we'll have a a situational where it's going again uh they have to give us the parameters right if they're worried about overcrowded schools well how many head count can they if they're worried about uh so many new developments coming well well how many over what period of time I mean give us some metrics to measure success or failure by they haven't done that yeah yeah even something like a goal for what

is the growth rate that they would like to see in the county is it zero is it two is it five what is the growth rate that we should be so is there any suggestions as to what we would like to see in that right you come up with something what we want to put in at this point I don't see any action um that we're obliged to do other than indicate our willingness to support the Board of Supervisors and their initiative with supplying more information or receiving more information forming a working group doing a joint meeting they asked us to review it correct so they they didn't come in and say hey approve this so I you know I would like to see us request to the board and explanation of the lot somebody can correct me on the language here but an explanation as to or to identify the problem that they're trying to solve with their proposed changes and and and following that a discussion with them as a joint meeting um at the end of the day the middleman of the of the subcommittee so now if after that joint meeting we're still it could be as simple as saying hey look we've had a somebody referenced about a 2% growth rate in the county what percent of growth rate are you saying that you'd like it to be how do we bend the curve or what you know they had given us no can speculate all day but until we understand what's driving this recommendation from them I I don't even know how to address it so that's

the root issue is we do not know what the ultimate objective is so until that is communicated we can't do they've given us a solution I still don't know what the problem is so that's that that would be the idea of a of a sub committee we could meet more frequently than what now so it sounds like the question is uh to the Board of Supervisors what is it that guess uh that we're we're what is our our our mission here essentially I understand y I take it back a staff give a report to them I think they have a very good idea of what y'all said tonight I know two of them were here one of them's on the phone so very well yeah we'll go from here thank you so can we go back and their support for this uh is there any sorry didn't mean to cut you off I'm just curious I mean is the whole Board of Supervisors kind of pushing this or are there different views in the previous minutes that's the only thing I'm comfortable saying is that it was a 5 vote I don't there wasn't much discussion about it all right I I think we they have the message I think we spent enough time correct correct correct all right all right uh which brings us to new business uh way Mr chairman staff just one more question uh on the data center the we we drug ourselves through a knole on the last application for a data center only to have it go to the board and whatever they did but it's still sitting out there

unresolved can can can you give us at the next meeting some explanation of just what the true Revenue will be off of this proposed data center because last time we found out that there was some kind of a yeah yeah yeah that was that was a lot of very disappoint smoke and mirrors on that and and if I may to add on to Mr Kendrick's comment I'd like to know where that thing is like we don't know what the status of it is currently so I was saying can you give us some kind of a a little better feel for what the real revenue is off off of this proposal because the last time we walked through this exercise we were all running with this big huge number only to find out that there's some state law or something that the governor did that gives a lot of that money back to the company so are we looking at that I mean I don't want to go down that path again to thinking that we've resolved the revenue issue for the county only to find out no we haven't all and and the value of this thing I'm not I'm not denying the county needs to find a good solid long-term Revenue Source but we thought we had it half a year ago and we did so I'd sort of like to get a better feel and and I'll just tell you that we we worked hard on that last Data Center and it was spread out over a lot of land we got good visual you know um efforts on it so that it's not an isore we did the sound we we we got a lot of things resolved we're not having that conversation with this guy so I don't even until I really see his

propers I don't really know what he's profer but it I really am concerned that it's a whole lot of buildings shoved onto a very tiny site and right along route route three and we were concerned about that last time but this time we you know I feel like we're rushing through this one well and I I think I think we made a very measured decision on that and I think that the previous board just ignored it because there were going to be dump trucks full of money showing up right not one of those dump trucks is showing up yet let's let's be clear um the staff correct me if I'm wrong that staff does a financial impact analysis for projects of its size at least and probably well typically an FIA fiscal impact analysis is submitted by the applicant so staff does not do we do not create the fiscal impact analysis does our finance department review and comment so I I cannot speak to what was done prior to June 1 prior to my arrival I do not know how they were reviewed in my past life at other localities it's the economic development director it's the finance director and you know and there's there's a multitude of people who review the numbers but I cannot speak prior to June 1 of 24 right with the county attorney this project or any other applicant on this threshold would have a staff produced document based on input from the applicant based on the it I don't think it' be it wouldn't be a staff produced document it would be a comment produced by the applicant commented on by staff and possibly revised by the applicant presented to a Planning Commission and Board of

Supervisors well we had Davenport at that public meeting give uh numbers that were based on a different project um different set of assumptions a different set of of reality it was clearly not informative it was misinformative I ask just that was very disappointing do we have a good view do you have a good understanding of the legal framework around these so-called rebate I for lack of a better term rebates or what have you or do we have the you know the legal understanding of what's available to them M so these are good questions and and what we can do is we can get back and and at the next Planning Commission meeting if memory serves me the the Amazon Project was dubb Project tricycle through the Commonwealth of Virginia and there was a a tax abatement I don't know all the details about that um but to the best of my knowledge both of that well we have there's two applications right now that we're reviewing right now um they have not requested nor have we discussed any sort of tax abatement um to date in in my review over the last seven months of of the green energy project where there's another one doen West um so so that's what we've reviewed in my time in seven months um if if you know for specific details on this I can get I think Mr you know Kendrick I think you were asking about you want to see what what the real numbers are so there there are going to be projections obviously everything is a projection but but we will have some numbers for the Planning Commission to kind of evaluate the project that was considered a year and a half ago and then two current projects one before you and one in the very near future I I think specifically the thing that we need to to make sure that we're not cut off guard with was with the Amazon Project there was a state thing that was enacted by Governor

yunan about a two for one uh I believe it was for the cost of infrastructure that if Amazon put money or if a if an industry put money into an infrastructure the county had to pay $2 for every1 they put in for that I don't remember the exact terminology of the law but it was something that was enacted at the state level that caught a lot of people off guard about we need to know the revenue that was coming in and and we just need to see basically the net um you know I mean how these things are structured and the abatements on the Rapidan it's a two it's a two-part exercise right one part is their own calculations uh that's easy enough to sort of do the math on but the other is you know how is that going to be filtered by the law that they may be able to apply to themselves as it currently exists I think we're sort of Flying Blind on that aspect to some extent as I understand that some of this may have been cash upfront and advanced revenues for build out I think we just don't know right we need we need all right um we need some clear Financial impact okay I think standard poal impact in yeah I think we we're all saying the same thing at this point so uh with that being said you're going to get back with us you're going to inform us the best way that you can um and so uh Stand By and it's all I get say at this point all right are there any more comments at this at this juncture if not uh we're gonna go move on with new business um our County Administrator thank you Mr chairman members of the commission Matthew smck your County Administrator so I'm here for the initial presentation of the FY 26 CIP presentation um I

chatted with a few of you prior to the meeting so I have changed uh some things up administratively here at the County uh you're going to see me making the presentation on behalf I do have some staff members here um some others are on standby should you have any questions but um this is you know this is the way I've seen it done and I want to make sure that again you know I answer the questions of the Planning Commission I repres represent my staff well and above anything it's you know transparency for for the public all this information is online right now for the public to view and they can come in at any time to to look at it so I'm going to roll right through here and uh next slide please so I I did want to thank uh Sheriff Giles and his team you know he I I had a presentation made and then he added some few things so you'll see a little bit different here with uh the beginning part of the presentation and we're gonna you had up the first slot present them to us once a year e

I think we're ready yes sir all right thank you gentl so so for FY 252 six FY the CIP I had $3,525 698 of request for the total fiveyear CIP I believe it was poing $69 million so I'm just going to focus on the 2526 so this would be the the next uh fiscal year that we're looking at so first of all like I said you know Sheriff's going to be a little bit uh different with his presentation he provided me some additional information I felt obliged to include it in this so next slide please first one for sheriff is a metal storage facility this is project number one next slide so this is if you're familiar with the the sheriff's uh building if you drive down there there's some next you can just go to the next slide we don't need all so this this is what you see this was January 6 of this year uh a lot of equipment sitting out there um in the weather so you know we we've got equipment that is weathering and you'll see the the the command center and the bottom center there that's been out in the weather for quite some time the decals on the other side are all peeling off and really a state of Readiness um if if if Sheriff needed to to get into some of this equipment on the Fly it's just not going to happen and if he if he's got four wheelers stacked in a garage that are behind generators chainsaws and all that it's it's just not going to you know time is of the essence when it comes to an emergency so we believe with a a larger Bay he'll be able to to be on the ready for for the citizens of King George and to protect some of this very valuable equipment that he has so next slide this is the approximate location on government Center Boulevard kind of behind the rear parking lot next slide project number two the mobile command unit go ahead please 32y old unit shared with h Sheriff's Office and King George fire yeah 32 years I'm looking at some of the faces so uh it is very outdated you know the wiring shot there there's a lot that needs to be replaced with this and would double as a backup

communication centers and a regional resource uh in this in this area and this is just a a layout of what the inside of this mobile command unit would look like like uh you know essentially they could they could operate right out of it you're fine go ahead next uh next uh Patrol Vehicles you can go ahead next slide there's actually five Patrol Vehicles being requested one van um sometimes there are issues with transport the the bus the van that brings inmates here are full bail that may get revoked well now we have to run two to three inmates back to the jail you can only put so many in a car a van would you know could accommodate and alleviate some of this uh The Strain that our our department has currently and there's two new patrol cars should the positions be funded in the operating budget so number four the e91 communication consoles keep on going here so uh built in 2011 starting to fail we've got some next slides here uh showing you know the the cramped Quarters here uh with the Communication Center really you you have emergencies going on and you've got somebody in your left or right or trying to talk to somebody also it can be very confusing um they do a great job this will the the proposed project will allow for expansion the Communication Center and also to allow a supervisor to to be in the room just these are some of the layouts the proposed layouts next you can keep on going and next the last slide for sheriff is the uh the replacement of the mobile data terminals so there are 36 of them right now all the the warranties are up so uh they we recommending that they all be replaced at the same time you buy them bulk you're going to get a better price newer technology newer up updates so this is a a request of the sheriff next slide and this is what you'll see really for the uh for the for the remaining projects kind of a a summary project title priority a description and then the 2526 cost so these are the projects that I I just discussed with the the sheriff's office

for his request next slide we're going to go on to fire rescue we talked about um the the aerial ladder truck $2.7 million this is a request of Chief Moody for the next fiscal year as is the ambulance placement so uh the the ambulances that we have there are seven total there's there's some Replacements that we have in it's a rotating cycle um it's important to keep these uh you to stay on this cycle so we don't have to do three or four in one particular year and the lead time on if if you know anything about uh ambulances fire trucks you're looking several years I think a fire truck the lad truck I said four three year three or four four four year lead time on that so it it's quite sometime we want to make sure we stay on the schedule for the ambulance replacement uh next slide and also uh a request of Chief Moody's a tanker overhaul for for tanker number one uh trying to extend the life of that and save some money over um purchasing a new one so he does have other requests they are in the packet they're not for this next fiscal year though but I want to you'll see if there's a dash there it's just nothing has being requested for 2526 it's in the 5year plan next slide General properties three uh projects all the next fiscal year the the yq locks if you've been uh watching the board of supervisor meetings with a new courthouse that that will be opened soon um the the the key card locks with a badge um they were not in they were not part they were not installed as part of the construction of this this uh project number one would go back through and put the yq locks um into the uh into the building there they are in some of them and this was this was a was discussed at Great length at the board of supervisor meeting between um between all parties they they they weren't on the plans so uh that's first project a modern fold door over at the library this is a a

folding door talking to librarian I believe it was it was installed upside down um there's a lot of maintenance issues with it all the weight is at the bottom of the folding door which should be at the top they've been limping it along there are some repairs that have been consistently need to be made to that um Mike mun is requesting just to fix that uh $80,000 for a door and then uh replace the a asphalt shingles on company one for $297,000 next slide it pretty standard computer replacement five years once five years is up your warranties are up so that standard practice here at King Georgia any loc I've worked at for five-year computer replacement and then a couple server Replacements uh two servers County finance and the EOC for uh pres preventing the loss of data so those are the two it requests part parks and wreck they've got a number of them uh first uh in this next fiscal year $100,000 to expand Wayside Park um right there at the at the foot of the bridge irrigation at seon complex pretty self-explanatory and flush bathrooms at sadell Brooks Park um it's the only Park without flush restrooms a dog park I believe this has been on previously this is back on um um um U Mr Clark's uh 2526 CIP a playground at celson Sports Complex so as activities are going on uh youth who are not participating maybe in a soccer game can can be entertained on the on the playground Citizen Center renovation I believe the last time that was renovated I believe there was a fire there um this would add some new door security cameras carpeting Ada ramps and some some parking lot upgrades next slide and then multimodal pathway so there was a uh a grant that was received Chris what was the name the uh yeah the T AP the transportation Al tap correct yeah tap that does require a matching fund uh we we did get a phase that was that was discussed at the board

over the last couple months for some sidewalks near the sheets intersection some some improvements to that that intersection itself however there are matching funds needed and we put those in the CIP uh should we be awarded a grant so that's the 250 and then moving Down Citizen Center LED Message Board this may be something similar to what we had have at station one um next door so specific messages and I know the the library I talked to them about their new message board and how we can program that for County activities also so um this is a request to to put one at the Citizen Center and then demolition of the old uh animal pound this is up on the field when you go into uh sadel Brook Park up on the right hand side all right next slide register uh talking to miss Gump there are new requirements that will uh require by 2025 a new standard for voting machines um so this would be a necessary 15 new voting machines and uh touch riters uh this is this is they according to miss Gump they want to stay ahead of the curve we don't want this to be last minute you you shall do this before the next election so she's requested almost $887,000 for new voting machines and voting equipment that will become standard um at all polling locations across the country Solid Waste and Recycling a rolloff truck uh currently the the truck that U Mr newak and his team are using it it is it's it's it won't pass an inspection right now um it is utilized very heavily it is old and they're they're trying to piece meil this together the best that they can we had a major break repair on it recently so 255 for a new rolloff truck and some 30 yard open top rolloff boxes a little over $24,000 at the uh King George Convenience Centers and then schools is this is the last group SBO School Board office over over here you you'll notice a lot if if you if you took a tour of of the old school whenever we held tours you know you may have wandered over to the

Schoolboard office if you have not seen this this building it may be worth a a trip over there the SBO you'll see numerous items uh on the the CIP requested by Dr Boyd a roof replacement 87 roof that it that is it's leaking um single pane windows from the 60s um replaced a fire alarm that is really Obsolete and a sewer pump that does not meet vdh and EPA standards so these are the first list we can go on the next slide you'll see more school May I question question yes sir yeah with the school board we've we've been after them the last several years to give us a plan for what they're trying to do with all their buildings okay and just so that we could understand sort of a priority of what needs to go first they any closer to having them I will get I had a meeting with Dr Boyd this morning I will I rendevu with him once again to see you know where this plan is that the Planning Commission requested and kind of a a facilities update and and in addition to the School Board office the number seven here the votech feasibility study so there's a there's a structure between the I guess the old votch school between the high school and the middle school right now they're currently using that as storage now number seven is is is is of interest you know as as an economic development guy um creating that that Career and Technical program we had a a dinner with the DTE about 30 people there that is a building that that we have had discussions about you know the the the cumulative approach I do not have that sir but I will I will work with the schools and I will if You' like Mr or Dr boy to come back or I can present it but if you've requested that I will get that see it I don't want to trouble him necessarily but we've been after him for several years to give us that comprehensive look okay so that we know where they're trying to go and every year we get oh this is important that's important and next year it seems to be different mix of what's really important okay and we we haven't made a

lot of progress because we can't understand what they're trying to do okay yeah and pile on Mr Kendrick's comment there is you know we're looking for the long-term strategy where they're going right you go back and you go oh they want a million dollars to replace a bunch of windows in a really old building that maybe two years from now we're going to bulldo over that's right but we don't know what that long-term plan is so that we know whether or not we need to patch the roof replace Windows replace or it's all going to be demolished and we should just build a new building understood yes sir we're looking for that long-term plan okay we're we're crossing about a half a century past its useful life maybe somewhere in there and and and to throw money at it I mean that building is we need to look for other options May there may be a better a smarter way to spend the money yeah real same goes for the old Middle School y yeah it's sitting abandoned as far as I know in the old middle school we were we working on that RFP we had a lot of arpa projects to get behind us but that I think I think it was $600,000 was approved with the last year's CIP ultimately by the board in the fall to demo that building so that comprehensive sort of look at all of their structures would would help me for sure and if there was a while back there was some really good stuff drawn up on using all all that property that's together for mult multiple schools and doing more there I I don't know what ever happened to that I I don't know if it's being worked or not okay yeah all good points thank you so as you can see we're all having a little bit of deja vu all over him yeah this the School Board office just comes up every year we've seen the picture of that sewage pump for a long time um but I do have a I have a question about the uh the the the V uh building uh so what exactly will the study or what answers are you looking

for from the study that will be done so so so you know the the the votex study here this is probably about three weeks old across my desk so but but but talking with with Terry Rinko who runs the CTE program really looking to bolster that program you and coming from an area with a very solid Career and Technical education center you know the the the study and I'm going to bring this to my Eda at their meeting next month to consider is is to how do we best utilize the space can you get you know is there is there space for for welding booths right you know is there you know you know can we reuse some of the space for for electrician program yeah for plumbing so so to bring so to bring King George into into where the workforce is heading uh and that is all the trades Plumbing electricity welding all of that all the surrounding counties are already on board so yeah that's I think that's a that's a good idea real would be any other question I know I've been going fast any other questions at this point keep moving the only other comment that I would make is we we last year also ask about trying to get a countywide comprehensive understanding of storage requirements we see individual departments coming in for I want a storage shed maybe we'd be better off to build one centralized and partition it out or make it so that is partitionable you know as needs for different departments EB and Flow that's something you'll see the top one there the storage facility 1.5 million so one thing that I'm looking at and I've I'm I'm I'm going through my operating budget identifying what county departments are paying for storage units exactly right and understand a countywide storage needs not just the school board that's correct we want to look at it from the 50,000 foot view yes sir so M oh I'm sorry sorry um one of the things um not sure if you just

haven't gotten to it yet but last last year we discussed what the Old Courthouse building was going to be used for and as we talk about storage and uh and those needs was that on this year I believe the feasibility study was part I have to go back and look but I'm I'm quite certain that was part of the approved uh CIP that the board approved it was it was later this year a couple months after I got here so I want to say August but I will double check and I I'll get back to you so it hasn't been executed it was just approved it it it was approved so so over the last couple of months we have been working uh tirelessly to to ensure that $21 million of arpa Grants did not go away they almost went away we need to make sure we got those 10 projects out to bid worked on that my engineering I've got an engineering team of one now too um you know to to to work on things for the service Authority who's without a general manager right now so uh I believe that has been approved we have not acted on it yet like I said we've been focusing on these arpa funds that uh if we didn't have them by December 31 they would have gone away yes ma'am thank you the the numbers on there are those just uh estimates from the from the staff and correct Go to Bid and get a real price that that is correct yes sir all right uh uh Middle School catwalk uh there was an analysis done here to access the HVAC units you can't get to them with their lift so they recommended a catwalk to access some of these uh these units uh we've got a pic Elementary parking lots just some some work out there um with the asphalt next slide these are Schoolboard uh necessary the we're going from an urgent to a necessary category 650 with a school Bush refresh again similar to the the patrol vehicles um they have to be cycled out need you want to stay on that cycle so you don't have to purchase you know 15 buses at one time there's a lead time on them the price just gets more

expensive each year some flooring replacement requesting uh in in all the King George schools 145,000 King George Middle School overlay uh prevent some leakage and add some insulation for $700,000 the other projects there nothing recommended for 2526 and then we've got uh two items here King George High School King George Middle School weapon detection um for points of Entry requested 575 at the high school 250 at the at the middle school next slide nothing for future for this particular year but this is this is kind of where this where the school board is thinking where the um the the school itself and then maybe one more slide I think and that's it so and I I've had some discussions with the Planning Commission there prior to this meeting and I want to hear from you all you know so I I think this is the first time where the County Administrator came up ran through all the projects um trying to to make more use of of better use of my time of your time and of staff's time so so the next steps would be a public hearing and the the Planning Commission ranks the projects you know I came in I inherited a sheet with all your rankings on it so maybe you could help me out how and when is the ranking done is it after public comment is received during the public hearing prior to um how did you all do it last year and how would you like to proceed this year you usually we get a sheet with all the projects which you saw the old ones I'm sure yes sir and we had they had the Departments come up and present you should have received this yeah usually big we'll do a bigger sheet yes sir so so anyway then we would just rank them and turn them back in okay before after the public hearing after public comments been received or I'm

just timing a public hearing we never had a an sponsored public hearing on the CIP that we didn't right have Community input yeah we did we had long discussions amongst the Planning Commission but we never I do not remember having public hearing about our recommendations had a meeting but not a public hearing that was a public hearing it was a public hearing when the div when the department heads came in and presented their their recommendations to us we got them in advance okay couple of weeks if not a month in advance what you're providing us now they had a multi-page sheet they filled out they they're in our package they're in your package they're in the package they in the package 15 pages they they presented we asked questions after the meeting we were given 10 days or so to score them and turn them back in at the following meeting then you know one month after they presented them to us we went over the scores and and staff had collected all the numbers by by then and averaged them and then we were given one shot to take one more sort of massage of the numbers you know if people had real strong disagreements and that was it okay so so timing wise so I'm I'm hearing a couple more months two yeah two plus months want help yeah so Mr Kendricks labeled it correctly in the six years I've been here now it's varied on the time of year based on who the administrator was but in the past we the public hearing and the staff presentation has been together as one presentation then they go away for 10 days score it and then at the following meeting they would do as Mr Kendrick says kind of confirm the ratings um and allow them to make adjustments if there

was something they then that they come to consensus maybe was deemed to be urgent um so yeah it has taken two months in the past so we're looking March before I hear back from if if you hold the public Hearing in February let you all get the comments back it doesn't come back to you as we meet in March March they would come back with the averages and we would confirm the averages say well that's too low or that's a little high right sounds like it sounds like he's sounds like you think that's too long well well the the board has directing me to try to have a budget an operating budget by the end of April some of these requests are tied to an operating budget such as the two patrol cars you know I need to kind of know what that operating budget looks like because it there are some correlations not a lot of but there are correlations between both budgets that's the goal that was uh set to me by the Board of Supervisors by the end of April uh I'm gonna just throw this out there I don't Ian I want to question the value ad of the planning commission's contribution to this process um I mean General awareness I mean we have a very competent staff and as part of this process the staff has a categorization urgent necessary nice to have good to have um but from our perspective we need to know how these things impact our community carrying capacity if the firehouse isn't built can we have a settlement area if there's a the EMS system isn't robust enough to to support a subdivision or I mean those are land use matters and and economic development I would argue is somewhat within our our purview but you

know arguing whether the catwalk in the middle school is more important than the you the windows in the in the the King George admin office um it it's like less meaning I never participated in the ranking because I really didn't see I didn't have the information the staff has that you have about impact but I did want to know if um our our Public Safety needs are being addressed in you know in a relevant way and that that the school capacity is sufficient to support you know the the housing uh uh building so so the information that staff has is the same information that you all have in your packet just I want and I want the public to know that's the information that we have okay you know we've had meetings with each individual Department to kind of go over these and understand them a little bit better which led me led me to my summary tonight my presentation but I just want to be clear with the information there's there's really no additional information out it's all out there not saying it's it's a but but the the nuance and the inter relationship and the um the internal discussions that you may have had about competing requirements because naturally it's it's between competing demands they're all all NE useful good things to do that's not a question but what are the priorities and and how does that support the comprehensive plan in terms of where we have the settlement areas um you know are we getting enough water into into our systems um questions that affect you know development quality of life and I think parks and wreck is a of critical interest to us Economic Development quality of life land use question um I know we have another committee out there on our

public buildings County owned buildings and and I'm are we duplicative do they go through this U no sir just you know so we don't make the final decisions we know that we're just making we're like a sanity check and rather than having the decision in one or two people's hands you know and and the people who used to present them you're presenting them now so I assume you're not overly biased about a particular project that's your pet project but we listen to the different departments and there were obviously pet projects in them okay and most 95% of what they pitched to us had value it was just a question of how much which one has the most you got our 10 opinions on what we thought since we made the recommendation between your position and the Board of Supervisors and staff you guys put the budget together and did money we never got into the money part of it per se so it was just simply an independent body offering a recommendation on what they thought was important so the dog park I've looked at that one for 10 years now yeah it's like and I keep asking the question how many people really want one and the reason that the the CIP we we went from I think 50 projects to 70 projects I challenged my staff to say I want to see a beefed up CIP this year and the reason that's important is whenever rezoning comes in laws have changed uh long when I started 21 years ago yeah that's right you can't profer unless it's in the CIP you can't ask for a profer so you know we we just made that menu board that much bigger for for the developers to to see the needs of the community oh yeah we love

we love a wish list that's right but then we sort of tell you what should be on the wish list and what's really real that needs to be done in the next year or two that's all we offered up we weren't producing a budget no no no I I think it was a number of rankings one through 10 or whatever I forget what it was and the budget and what the county actually spent money on sometimes didn't resemble our recommendations very well but you guys put a whole different perspective on it and did what you thought was important from your perspective all you got was ours yeah I think it's a worthwhile process for the board to go through yeah but and and so and that's where I'm I'm I'm going with this is if you are if you're in agreements that that uh our input is still is vital that it is it is um um and it sounds like you're under a a bit of a timeline if you will um what I am my thought process is is it possible would we be willing to have a public hearing and then have a special session with us uh so that you can we can fit your your timeline I'd be meable so long as this this commission was okay with that right and so I'm open yeah Mr chairman I I would guess I'd say from my from my personal experience going through this last time hate to be blunt but I would say most of the information is in the detailed sheets yeah we've got over 150 Pages worth of details okay yeah about these projects I personally would be okay with us taking and getting a scoree sheet that we need to fill out and have us go through that score sheet based on this information and we have one session for us to Lobby normalize whatever term you want to use the 10 opinions in the scoring of the people

here we can get that done next month I would take this offline as a as a homework assignment with a scoring sheet that we can get we had one from last year we can get that and we'll take it as homework project we'll we'll get it back to you guys before next month's meeting and we can discuss the normalizing of the scores and get you a a recommendation I agree there's not a whole lot of value for us correct expend a tremendous amount of energy debating And discussing these things because the numbers are yours we don't we don't evaluate the numbers per just just the priorities it's not like we come back and go well we really think that number should be 990,000 instead of 80,000 we don't do that right you own the number it's a prioritization really and your number is your number so that's just my recommendation from a time constraint from the board we're we're more than happy to work with you to abbreviate it this year yeah I think that's a you know if the PC is okay with that we can get the scoring sheets out to you all electronically uh within the next day or two I'll say by week's end all the information that I have you have go through that and and provide your rankings and and and get those back to staff I'm going to say if you get them three days prior to the next Planning Commission meeting that gives you 25 days to look at these and rank 70 projects yep wouldn't wouldn't we need to rank them after the department speak is to you know but I think that's the point all the information that's going to come out of the mouths of the department heads is already on the sheet of paper that you already have there's there's a lot of information a lot of information in the sheets is buried in here they give rationale many times the the the the EMS and the sheriff has given us even mileage of the vehicles that they're

wanting to replace and how many a tremendous amount of information and that sure would keep us on track um it just puts a little little homework for the Planning Commission members I feel like a teacher in school if that's okay with you we will get those out and um will the staff have scored them when we see them so so so staff does not score them never did they average them they average them we're going to take your scores and average it they've already scored them in in a in a terminology phase it's urgent it's needed it's necessary whatever their whatever their term is and then we in the scoring sheet they they gave us a score it was like one to three is urgent and four to five is correct is another term and six what take those numbers in average them I make a motion for that we have the public hearing for this at the next meeting for FY 2026 d2030 CIP and let's move this meeting along than Parker motions made and seconded all in favor sorry all right thank you okay all right uh next what process are we going to use I just wanted I just want move this along man are we are we going to do the process that I suggested or are we gonna have them come in with Department you said we're going to have a public public meeting what is the content and what do we expect to have ready for that public he the messaging I think the I think the I think the expectation is we have our votes ready three days prior of the meeting is that what I heard Mr mold that's our homework sure we were so do we have to make a motion to have a public hearing next month we just did yeah second it second it and voted and passed all right okay we have because it's due process okay that's due process okay all

right is there anyone here uh to talk about the uh uh so the uh solar special project exception there he is all right so next is application z202 4219 uh davis hill excuse me D Davis Hill Daisy Lane solar special exception for solar energy medium scale facility take a away good evening uh my name is Will Thurman uh with davis hill development uh I know it's been a long meeting here so I'll try and be concise and efficient but uh please stop me if you have any questions along the way uh yes it's the Daisy Lane solar uh project it's at 8209 Daisy Lane King George Virginia uh our company is Davis Hill development um you can go to the next slide um so we're developer owner operator of community solar and commercial industrial solar projects essentially that's just meaning that you know we own and operate our projects for long term um there's other groups out there that permit and sell off the projects with us we uh like I said long-term over operator you're going to be dealing with us through the permitting process and uh through the life cycle of the project uh this just a quick snapshot of our parent company Sky VI Ventures um they have a EV charging uh company as well called Sky charger uh in the middle there's us stavis Hill development uh it started in 2013 um and primarily like I said said Community solar and Commercial and Industrial solar projects so we also do rooftop uh things of that nature um we currently own and operate 100 plus megawatts of projects across 15 states um we also have a pipeline of 250 megawatts um so all that to say you know

we're stable we're efficient we've been in the market for a while and can uh handle the process um I'll go through this quick it sounds like you guys are familiar with solar and understand what uh these groups have but we have uh Comm community and utility scale origination development basically just meaning we have the in-house staff that reaches out to land owners and different groups and then we have a development team that comes in and permits the projects and takes them to the next stage uh we have our own GIS system interconnection and electric infrastructure obviously we're dealing with the utility very often that's a big part of this job so we're uh in conversation with Dominion right now uh on this project in specifics um I'll skip over the rest here but obviously uh We've successfully developed 30 projects um and that totaled that 150 megawatt number I said earlier um so this just a quick snapshot of kind of the markets we work in clearly you can see uh we're primarily a Mid-Atlantic and uh Northeastern focus in our markets um Virginia is a great market for us and we're uh excited to work with you all next slide please just a quick snapshot of few of our projects just so you can see um as opposed to the earlier solar project you saw we are a much smaller Community solar so uh up to 5 megawatts this project in particular is 2.7 megawatts so uh relatively small on a larger scale but uh still provides enough power to move the needle uh Community solar this is just a very high level snapshot um essentially you have a subscription uh you have a community solar project that we build that project produces the power goes back to the grid the utility uh creates Bill credits off

that and those people that subscribe through our subscription would get uh Bill credits on their utility bill which is roughly 10 to 15% uh discounted Bill rate um on your on your everyday power bill so proposed project uh these are just kind of highle details um as I mentioned the address 8209 Daisy Lane um 2.7 megawatts AC just roughly sorry about that around 12 acres so like I said pretty minimal compared to the others we've heard about today uh module count 6,448 just like to show that for scale um and this project will participate in the Virginia Department in conservation and recreational pollin pollinator smart program so essentially it's just saying we uh all the grounds underneath we seed with local seed mix and pollinator species um and as I mentioned previously Community solar this is just an average uh depends on the utility rate we would hope to be kind of above that 15 % range but um provides 10 to 15% discounted uh clean energy on your local utility rates this project in particular will generate uh enough electricity to power 679 homes uh in a year and then 30% of that Community solar subscriber base is dedicated to uh load moderate income households so essentially we're just carving off 30% of that overall subscriber base to make sure those who need the reduced power bill can actually get to that um and then can I ask a quick question instead of letting you formally go through the whole thing I'll just get

it out now how does this subscription is it is it limited to people in King George County that would be able to subscribe can someone from California subscribe to the energy from from this plant in King George uh you need to be in Virginia in the area it could be somebody from Northern Virginia that's subscribing and getting a reduced power because we put in a solar we offer first at least to King George kind of yes 100% so it it's basically the the Outreach is all driven by us so you can't someone couldn't come subscribe unless they spoke to us first obviously the residents come first I'll get back to you on a specific number there's definitely a radius I just don't know off the top of my head what the Virginia Dominion radius is so I'll check in on that thank but it it's not you can't go from you know people in Charlottesville are not going to be subscribing to this fa any other questions while I'm going I know I'm moving fast I apologize but how does this subscription model work do we pay you and then uh no so it's all all through the utility um so you sign up with us as a like you would sign up to our subscription platform there's no money associated with that but then you get the bill credits the utility sends the bill credits then you get the bill credits off that subscription if that makes sense um so right here this is just a concept plan um obviously it's a little hard for you all to see from this distance but Kelly has all this and our formal application and project narrative so feel free to take a deeper look um before we run into this I'll just kind of say couple reasons why we like the project why we think it's a good fit

um for this location and for King George County um one it's you it's Wells sited and designed to conform to the comprehensive plan and zoning ordinance um a big factor here is very minimal visual impact that's our kind of number one complaint that we see in the Solar industry is you know I'm okay with it but I don't want to see it uh the good thing about this project is it's almost 100% naturally screened by uh existing forests around the property so we wouldn't be cutting any of that down the project essentially going in the middle of a older hay field that uh is surrounded by Forest and basically screens from the all of Butters uh correct y um and then the other point would just be the minimal environmental impact um we're having no impact to Wetlands here um no mature tree clearing and we're utilizing kind of a neglected uh older Hayfield that has been somewhat overgrown at this point um so we would be you know revegetating that clearing um and the soil underneath would end up being in probably a better spot than it is now with any invasive species and whatnot um these are the special exception proposed conditions that we proposed um Kelly I believe you have these as well I I'm happy to go through them I don't want to take everybody's time as they're are pretty uh I don't know proposed conditions that address the consideration the community environment regulatory requirements so essentially we're checking a lot of boxes that are asked us but kind of going above and beyond of stating them now and saying hey for example miniz erosion soil

disturbance during construction that will all be you know matured in our Swip that'll be reviewed by a licensed engineer but um things like limiting construction between 7 to 6:30 p.m. um yeah like I said I just don't think it's it's worth the board's time to run through these right now do do sorry go ahead do you have a diagram of where the transmission line route would would run to interconnect your project we do on that uh previous slide so it's hard to tell from here um but essentially the at the bottom of the array there um Daisy Lane goes up and then the POI so we're essentially tapping into the existing single phase and then upgrading that line down what is it so down Daisy Lane to erest Ellis Lane and then where I might be pronouncing this wrong doen dogr road crosses we're tapping into that three-phase and then they're upgrading all the existing polls there'll be no new po perhaps on your next generation of slide do yeah get you the full full picture that be good thanks yeah my other question is sort of associated with that if I looked at this correctly on the gis you're Crossing I believe the state the state right away ends at Ernest is it Ernest lane or Ernest something Ernest Ernest Ellis Ernest Ellis Road correct there's a one da yeah what is Daisy Lane yep there's a one mile uh right away there and that crosses two or three other people's properties do you have agreements with the other land owners between Ernest Ellis and your site not for construction no we don't have easements at this stage okay that yep that would be needed obviously you're going to need to get agreements because that's private

property you're Crossing in between you and the state road yep the other one to consider that we've had from other people is is uh agreements about damages to the state road you would be responsible for fixing any potential damage to Earnest you can take a look at some of the things from other from other agendas and topics to to understand what I'm talking about it has to do with you know you're bringing in a lot of heavy equipment pulling installing this equipment I don't know if that road which was built by a developer what's going to happen you start bringing your trucks in and out of there we would do a facility study and make sure that that and we would upgrade the road if not um prior but understood I'll look through that yes correct yeah but construction vehicles bring in bringing all this in I'm just saying in in the other in the Gibson they specifically talked about how they were going to and in the energy storage they said we're going to repair the highway correct yep but this is like way in the correct yeah so this is much further to the front of that property but I know I know what you're talking about there um and just to just to clarify the the Gibson solar their construction and the amount of trucks and larger trucks that would be coming in compared to ours is vastly different I understand I understand may be an easy thing for you to for you to do but to give the people that live in Fox Run some confidence that the road to their subdivision isn't going to be destroyed by your construction no it's good encourage communication with adjacent properties we already did send

out um letters to a butter um but obviously continue continually just wanted to let you know it has the first stag has occurred but obviously there' be continued communication is better yep understood it also be helpful in your next Generation to really zero in on the um the community solar scheme and how King George residents might personally benefit from that yeah I do like the idea of starting with a smaller solar plan than a bigger one I have a question Baker sounds a lot better than I have a question about your uh your pollinator planting are you uh committed to not using herbicide and pesticides yes and that's all part of the I'm already forgetting the aurum but the Virginia Coalition of if can you go back one side please uh Virginia Department of Conservation Recreation and pollinator smart program that is in their guidelines but also it's not part of our our plans so there's a this is another request for public hearing is this application complete and ready to go the most part it is it does meet all the requirements for the special exception this is considered a medium scale solar um I think there's a few things tonight that we'll work on uh based on y'all's comments but it could be ready for a public hearing yes in my understanding there's no you're not there's no deforestation associated with this correct it's it's all field yeah it's the way it should

be well I think I know we got well I think that's what we got down here is figure out out the public hearing schedule for so yeah just happy you guys let me do it sry will yeah no no no I'm I'm happy I got it done all right so so it sounds like we're maybe looking at March March public hearing at the earliest yeah okay let me ask is this subject to the inter interconnect uh system or scheme where you have to get an acue to interconnect with Dominion or is it uh below a threshold or it's below threshold but we still have to go through Dominion but that's already we already have an interconnection agreement with them and we're queing correct correct presumably you'll have a project schedule to show and uh you know how your Manpower on site ramps up and ramps down and this kind of thing yeah correct yeah it's just at this stage we we don't have that Advan level is it correct that it would be unmanned once it's an operation unless you know we usually have one maintenance truck that comes every every month everything's remotely monitored as far as you know malfunctioning but we usually have once or twice a month someone just comes by and a pickup truck checks things out but nobody's nobody's in there Gates locked all right so it sounds like we're ready for request for public hearing so Mr mys I make a motion that we forward application Z 2024 [Music] 00219 or we schedule it for a public Hearing in no earlier than March March why March and not February is my question so we already have two other things okay is all I

was that's up to y'all I just wanted to make sure hearing wrong yeah we we we can talk about that next but I would recommend March I don't want to do three public hearings in one meeting is the okay with that I think uh seeing how this went I Pro we probably should push to March that's fine with us you want sounds good I make a motion second motion been made second it all in favor say I all right unanimous decision oppos any oppose what one oppose lot of unnown we we have we we have a majority um so with a hearing to be at the earliest of March in all right hearing Public public hearing correct I still don't think that thank you very much thank you appreciate your time all right it's much better next on the agenda staff reports uh uh director's report do we have a director's report tonight yes there's two months worth of director's reports at the end of your packet if you have any questions give me a call let me know same old report any highlights any big projects any nothing new from last month no we're trying to get Buffalo Wild Wings coming in Lucy we got any new uh all right any new restaurants coming in let's see no all right committee reports no commission reports and other future business so I would just request I again I I don't mean to to complain but the

last few meetings have been way too long and I I don't mind having information sessions but one is plenty I don't need to see the same applicant three times because we dropped anchor on on that and the the um data center which had been you know that's that was their second time up the the solar farm they sent everything over we could have read it I mean I I just don't I don't want to come here at 7 and leave at 11: and I mean that may sound like we're complaining but we're basically volunteering for this and I I just don't want to stay here all night every every meeting and unless some am I wrong man I think we could just tidy up the agenda use your discretion um but I think an applicant especially at the larger scale gets one crack pinata info brief the waters and then use your discretion or consult with chair you know if a second one is warranted but I guess my other create that expectation where people can yeah my other concern about multiple multiple visits is I feel like we're helping the applicant polish their apple and I feel like in a way it could give them a false impression that we're going to approve it when they finally come in with a with a public hearing like because I I can tell you that you know there's some things that I'm just not going to vote for they can come here 15 times but I don't want them to think that I am because I haven't asked questions about it right so um right that's the other thing if we if we start doing that for everybody and it gets really busy we could have a dozen of these in an evening I'm I'm just saying I just this

is way too late I'm tired I've been I've been working since 6:30 so it's decisional it's got a priority if it's informational it go you know I would I would say this um to the to the committee um think about think about the questions that you're asking is it something that is going to legitimately help you in making a decision um I know we we want to be informed um but we don't want to just talk to be talking talk with a point talk with um uh with meaning and I think that would also help the process as well so Mr chairman so what I'm hearing is just so I can help direct my staff this commission is okay with staff using discretion what appears on the agenda for presentations I would that's what I just heard I just want I want that clear so that I know how to direct my staff during staff meetings my my opinion is um if an applicant comes and they give their long spiel and we bring up some concerns and those concerns were answered in an email to us it should not be presented again but unless staff says you know this is a shift you know significant shift or so that my question that's why I'm just looking for go you put your faith and staff to tell you I mean and honestly we we do anyway yeah so okay sounds good I just I just want to make sure I was clear on that so I knew how to direct my staff so thank you very much I know you guys aren't new at this Rodeo you done this a lot and I think it's just a question of getting comfortable with us and our attitudes

after several meetings and and then yeah I'm certainly fine with giving you the discretion to sort of push certain issues that you've heard us push with other ones like this was the third solar project there's one more I see on the out agenda so you know we're interested in how much they're how much you know Force they're cutting down down you know those kind of things where the power lines running you've heard those questions so get them to provide answers to all that crap before it comes to us and and maybe it'll just be easier on all of us all right and and these informational briefs are new to us it wasn't our custom in the past and um I see a lot of value in them um but as as Chris says there's limit our time and resources to put to it yours as well I was glad to see him today too I was got some good information feel better about the project but remember we get questions from the public phone call 7 say what is this about rezoning A2 you stuff so and if they provide a slide package and give it to us to read there really isn't a whole lot of value in questioning them then it's almost you know what I mean we don't need multiple meetings with them right okay so um with that I brings us to the uh favorite part of the meeting uh but before I do that um each M if you have not filled this out please do so set it in front of you so it can be collected by Miss Kelly uh um secondly uh Mr Parker thank you so

much for your leadership that you have given us over the years um to the board thank you um I'll say this I am I am one of one as is Miss Denise and it speaks of your character to put me in a position that I am am that I'm in and I appreciate it and I thank you tremendously from the of my heart so thank you thank you forun thank you oh you luy to have imminently qualified thank you and with that uh if I get a motion to adjourn I make a motion that we adjourn to February I don't know the date February yeah to the next schedule scheduled meeting motion has been uh made and seconded all in favor say I I we are Jour all right