Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

It is 630.

Recording in progress.

And I call the June 15th, 2026 workshop meeting of the Canada Planning Commission to order. Tonight's meeting will be conducted through a hybrid platform which allows commissioners and the public to participate in the meeting both in person and through an online meeting platform. Should an individual planning commissioner become unexpectedly disconnected from the virtual platform, please rejoin the meeting at your first opportunity. The record will reflect your attendance. Please mute the phone when not speaking. Will the clerk please call roll?

Commissioner Barker.

Here.

Commissioner Hempstead.

Here.

Commissioner Gregory.

Here.

Commissioner Perez.

Here.

Commissioner Rahimlu.

Here.

You have a quorum.

We need a motion for Commissioner Arneson. Is that correct?

Yes.

Okay. I'd like to make a motion to excuse Commissioner Arneson.

I'll second that.

All right. We have a motion from Commissioner Berger and seconded by Commissioner Gregory to excuse Commissioner Arneson from the meeting. Is there any discussion? No discussion. May we have a roll call vote?

Commissioner Barker?

Yes.

Commissioner Hempstead?

Yes.

Commissioner Gregory?

Yes.

Commissioner Perez?

Yes.

Commissioner Rahamu?

Yes. That passed unanimously. Will staff and attendants please introduce yourselves?

Anthony Molloy, Planning Director.

Kylie Peele, CDBG coordinator.

Steve Donovan, planning manager.

Thank you. I will now lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, Well, good evening, everybody. It seems like it's been a little while since we've been together. Uh, so it's great to see everyone. And the first item on our workshop agenda is introductions to the community development block grant CDBG program. Kylie, is that your area of expertise?

I don't know. Do you want to talk first or me just jump into it?

No, I was gonna, I'll just, yeah, I'll just preface her, uh, present Kylie's presentation. Um, We spoke a little bit, well, I guess we met when we met last time, but not everybody was here last time. But I know we've spoken in the past that the community, the CDBG, the Block Grant Advisory Committee, sorry, I'm trying to get the name right. The Block Grant Advisory Committee was dissolved by council, I think roughly a month ago now. And the responsibilities of that committee are transferred to the Planning Commission. And so, as promised, we have Kylie tonight to give an overview of what the Community Development Block Grant program is and then go over the responsibilities that the Planning Commission is assuming from the Block Grant Advisory Committee and give an explanation of that. So, There will be some overview there and then explanation of what responsibilities are going to be. And so feel free to ask questions of her, especially related to process when that comes about, because that's going to really be the nuts and bolts of what you're going to be dealing with. So with that, I'm going to let Kylie go ahead and take over and give her presentation.

Okay. Did it just pop up on the screen?

Yeah, I'm just going to wing it.

Just imagine. Close your eyes.

Or if Kylie gets on the Zoom thing, we can always... She can share her program.

There's a lot. I will get into it when we get to the program, but, you know... It's this annual allocation we get. The city gets it. We don't have to compete for it or anything like that. And it's set, there's a formula that they do that determines how much we get every year. It's based, I mean, it's a federal government, so I don't know what their formula actually entails, but they tell me it's based on the percentage of our low-income population, elderly population, people with disabilities, unhoused people, just kind of like everything jumbled into one. They divide or multiply. They do whatever they do, and it spits out this number. We've been very fortunate enough that our grant has increased over the years. There's been times it has decreased, but then slowly it went back up. So that is... a good thing. It makes me nervous every year when we get that. It hovers a little above $600,000. And so for 2026, we are sitting at $647,000. And then I'll get into how we divvy that out and all of that. But I guess I'll just go off the the slides that I have, so you'll just have to picture it, I guess. Okay, so I explained that it's a federal agency and it provides grants to state, local, and the tribes. It's non-competitive, like I said, and it's to support the community as a whole, supportive services, housing, things like that. So a little over 1,200 communities get this grant. And I don't know the number off the top of my head, but the rest of them, they have to actually compete. So I don't know what that process looks like, but there are some cities and states out there that have to compete. submit an application and they may or they may not get it. We're one of the fortunate ones that do get it. So about 3.3 billion is divvied out every every year. But again, that also changes depending on what Congress funds the program at. So there we go. I'm on slide three. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Next slide. There we go. Okay. So where can we use it? We can't use it throughout the entire city. There are specific areas and I'll get to that in the next slide with the map that you can kind of see poking through. Um, So it's only allowed to be used in the low-income areas, again, to prove living conditions, help the community, do housing, a lot of infrastructure projects, things like that. The supportive services that I'll get to, again, a little bit later, those can only go to a 501c3 nonprofit. Those can't just go to a mom-and-pop shop down the street that are going to make lots of money off of our grant, to put it Bluntly, but so those are a breakdown. We can use when it comes to housing, right? We can use it for rehabbing somebody's house. So if they need a new windows, they need a new roof, they need HVAC system or they need all of the above. This money can help with that. They can go towards purchasing a property. We can help them if they're getting their house worked on and it's like the water is going to be shut off or their sewer is going to be shut off so we can repair it. We can relocate them to a hotel or somewhere else in the meantime. We pay for that as well. Economic development is the things like think of like public works and the water and the sewer facilities. We can do that like the community center. I think we did. way back when, all of that. So we can also help with job creation, job retention. I think that's been used quite often in the downtown Kennewick area. We used to do that. Public improvements, same thing. Think of public works. Think of underneath the road, the actual road, sidewalks, anything with parks, playground equipment. It's kind of a wide, wide range that we can do with it.

question?

Yes.

On the job creation and retention area, how does that work?

So, okay, for example, downtown Kennewick, when we did the facade program many years ago, there was one of the stipulations we did that, okay, if we did this, then you have to pretty much hire somebody who is already low income to help get them to a place that they can you know, get out of shelter, emergency housing, things like that, and it gets them into their own place. And so that's kind of what that job creation was for, is to make sure that the low-income people get the same. Is there coordination with, like, workplace resources? There can be. Usually we kind of just put it in. We let the business owner take the lead on it. And if they need help, then we can step in and help them. But we like to see where they're going to take it and go from there.

Thanks.

Yeah. Okay. Next slide. So this is the map that I was telling you about. So the highlighted yellow is the places that we can use the funds that we get. Everywhere else is obviously you can't use it. But this map does change. every year um there's been times when we've got i think batted and there's been times when it got removed so this is the most recent i it doesn't say on here but this was done in 2024 and every year i check and it's always the same so it says 24 but it's really most recent so um but any applications that we get that's one of the first things i check for if it's an infrastructure project is to make sure it's in one of those highlighted yellow areas. If it's not, then it's disqualified, so you guys won't have to worry about making sure a project is in where it's supposed to be in. Next slide, please. Yes.

Is there any plans to change the map? I was just looking at, like, by my neighborhood, and so let's say you go down Vancouver, 10th and Vancouver. I could see maybe, like, 6th or 8th off of there, but those houses that come up past 10th, you almost wouldn't think they would fit in that model.

Right, right. And the map is given to us by HUD. So yeah, we don't get to, I wish we could, but yeah, that's given to us by HUD. Another one of those formula data things that they do. I think they also rely heavily on the census data that everybody so everybody pushes real hard to make sure you fill that out thank you yep okay to give you guys some idea this is what we've done the past few years for infrastructure um in 2023 we did the splash pad that's right over here next to the police station and the public pool uh we took out oh i think it was a little sand pit if you guys can remember a couple years ago um it was so underutilized and it made a mess because people with the pool and they're tracking through and it made them all of the above right so we ripped that out we put in this brand new splash pad um and i've heard nothing but but great things about it so that's always exciting Yeah. You got to run through it now. Yeah. Right. I think it's on right now. Yeah. Uh, last year we partnered with the Kennewick housing authority. So we provided them funding for, um, down here on 10th and gum street, that new affordable housing development. I don't know if you guys have seen that we fund through CDBG. We funded sidewalk curb gutter, um, I believe some water and sewer also went towards that, repaving the road, like all the things that aren't pretty that you're gonna see right away. So that's what we funded them in 2024. And then last year we did the Vancouver Park pump track. I don't know if you guys have seen that plastered all over Facebook or been down there. I don't know what that cross Vancouver and is it seventh? Yeah. So there was two old tennis courts there and they were fenced off. I think one of them was broken again, another underutilized area. So we took out the tennis courts and put in a brand new asphalt pump bike pump track with a like a little wooden wall ride thing um and then turf grass in the middle so i think that's another really cool thing that we got to do i wanted to put a picture but i couldn't fit it so you have to drive by and check it out next slide please okay and then public services pa i say past projects um But the public services are usually kind of the same people every time, which is great because they're helping people that need it. So we have Arc of Tri-Cities. So last year we assisted 59 individuals. to help with their partners and pals day camp. We had Meals on Wheels. So we provided a little over 2,000 fresh and frozen meals to 109 residents. That's both ones that are homebound, ones that are here at the cafe at the community center. And then I think Meals on Wheels has an actual, their own cafe over by the McCurley dealership. So they have a few places around here that we help people out with. Elijah Family Homes, they support women, moms, through their recovery process and sometimes get their children back, get into stable housing, make sure they're staying on the path to recovery, get them in programs, things like that. So last year we helped six clients recover. And I can't remember exactly how many children were part of that, but there were a few of that. And then lastly, Columbia Ability Alliance. This is an all-year-round program for people who are disabled and their parents have to go to work and there's no babysitter or stay-at-home nurse because, as we know, that's all really expensive. So this paid for 23 individuals to attend their program. day camp throughout the year and it provided them snacks, it provided them toiletries if they needed it, anything like that. Okay, next slide. So for this year, 2026, this is what we're working on right now. This isn't all of the infrastructure, but this is the ones that I could fit in. First one being the Columbia Basin Veterans Center. They have a house in Kennewick that houses, I think, four or five veterans. And everything's original in that house that they bought in 2011. So we gave them funds to update their kitchen and And update their upstairs bathroom. So I know it's kind of far away, but this is a little snippet of what their bathroom looks like today. I don't think it's completely finished. The kitchen's not finished, so that's why the picture's not added. But we made it to finally, there's two sinks. There's a larger shower because, you know, somebody who's disabled might be coming to live at any time. And we got things up to code and to be safe for our veterans and help them out. Second project is with our parks department, the East gate field renovation, just down here by the fairgrounds. They are doing a lot of work there. They're trying to not rip up the grass, but they're trying to kind of, was that like rototill? Yeah.

Yeah. They have, there's a, if you've had kids or you've participated in, uh, what was it? Grid kids, I think football in the past. And then now it's, uh, I think flag football or South seven on seven. There's some football that goes on there. The field has been getting torn up for years, uh, because of those programs that have been going on and they're great programs. Um, but it's at the point now where kids are like, they're considering not hosting those there anymore because, uh, A lot of kids are rolling their ankles. So they're really trying to just level out all of the fields and get them into a better condition for football season. And so, yeah. So that's the gist of that project.

Any questions so far? Okay. Next slide, please. And these are our 2026 public services. So like I said, the ARC, Elijah Family Homes, Columbia Ability Alliance, Meals on Wheels. The Boys and Girls Club is new this year, and I'm really excited. This is going to help them with their summer program, and this is going to provide supplies for the kids, snacks, sometimes dinner, sometimes clothes, a lot of needed items that kids need right now, especially during the summer when their parents are away at work. So Like I said, it's the same nonprofits that we see, but it helps. So it works out.

How does that work with Franklin County? Does Franklin County also do something like this? Because I noticed with the Boys and Girls Club, it's got Benton and Franklin Counties.

Right. So with all of these programs, because they serve all of Tri-Cities, so anytime a participant comes to their program, they are required to fill out this form. that says their address to verify that they're a Kennewick resident, their name, any other kind of information, things like that. And then Richland and Pasco have the same program that we were talking about tonight, and it's the same thing, same form, verify that they're a Richland resident to make sure that they're being billed to the right grant. Next slide, please. Okay, so all this sounds really great, but what's behind the scenes, right? So our funding runs from January 1st to December 31st, and we typically receive funding late summer, early fall, and I changed my answer because... It's now middle of June and we still don't have the money yet, but it depends also on your, it's called a caper review. And what that is, is I have to fill out this whole report for HUD that says, this is what we ended up doing with your money. This is what we accomplished. These are the people that we helped. And then I have to submit that to HUD. They review it. And then once they give the thumbs up to me saying, yep, everything looks great. Your reports match. Finance looks great. then that's when we get the grant agreement and then we can get moving with everything. Um, and that happens at the end, the end of the year slash beginning of next year, because I have to go off of the year prior. Right. Um, but during that time, like right now, I just said we don't have the money yet and it's mid June, but projects are allowed to start January 1st of every year. I just can't reimburse them until I get the money. So it's almost like a risk factor, but We get a paper from HUD in the beginning of the year saying, this is how much you're going to get for this program year. So we know it's coming. I just don't have it yet. And that's, I mean, the unfortunate reality of it. So we do have some subrecipients that start January 1, and there's some that wait until we get the money, and I can't blame them for that. And applications for the next program year always open every August. and they're open for about a month. Next slide. So once applications, they're open, they close probably the second week of September. That's when I go through, I make sure that they're within those yellow boxes on the map to make sure everything's great or that they're an eligible project that they're applying for. And then we hold a public hearing. So that public hearing will be in one of our commission meetings. But one of the formal ones when we're over there. So what's going to happen is I will... I'm going to try and make it as very simple for you guys. So you don't have to worry about what's next, who's going to speak next or anything like that. So I'll have it broken out for you. Who's going to speak at what time for how long, what is their project that they are going to pitch to you guys? Because they are required to come and give about like a five minute presentation and just show you guys like the pump track. Here's what is there right now, but here's what we want to do. And here's why type of thing. Um, I mean, they're applying for a grant essentially, so they have to try to win your hearts over, right? And I will give you, I always have to guess ahead of time because we don't know how much we're going to get for 2027. And we're doing all of this process at the end of 2026. So I'm going to guess how much we're getting in twenty twenty seven. And I will let you guys know that ahead of time. So then when you are reviewing the applications and you're trying to decide how much should we fund or who should we fund, then you know the parameters of how much you can give out of that. That guesstimate is what I call it. Twenty percent of that already gets taken out for admin. And then 15, you can go up to 15% to put towards those public services. So like the ARC, Columbia Ability Alliance, Meals on Wheels, those kind of people. You can only go up to 15%. And then whatever's left over, you can give as much as you want or as little as you want to the infrastructure projects. So don't feel stressed. I'm going to be there as your bumpers. So I'll be able to help you. Like, nope, we're creeping up on the cap. Or nope, you've still got $200,000 to work with. What do you want to do next? Or anything like that. So yeah, it's kind of interesting to see everybody go back and forth and say, nope, I think we should give this much to public works. Or we should give this much to domestic violence services. And so... it's, it's pretty great. So question. Yes. Sorry.

I was going to just chime in real quick on the funding estimate that Kylie puts together. That's based on the prior year, um, award. And so we're not just pulling numbers out of thin air. It's, it's all based on the past year twos, what we've been given from HUD. So. that typically gives us a pretty good idea of what we're going to be receiving in the coming year. And usually what we get in the coming year is more than what we received in the previous year. So when we base it off of that, that lower number, we're usually okay. Yeah. And then probably the second thing to also chime in, I've been through this process, I think once with Kylie, she also provides some recommendations or, some past history on how we've funded, if we have repeat applicants, so that you'll have that for your review as well to help make decisions.

Okay. Are suggestions final or do they go for City Council for approval?

So you guys will make the recommendation and then I take it to City Council for final approval or to come back and ask you guys to reconsider.

do you have a recommendation or like, is there like a priority, you know, on, right.

I think it depends on what applications we get. And I say that because we have, again, I know I keep saying we're good. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. But this one, we will, it's called a consolidated plan. And that is something that we put together five, excuse me, five years that says, this is what we want to spend our money on in the five years. So if we get an application for, a facade improvement downtown, then that's one of our goals. So that kind of has to take priority. But that's not saying like, oh, don't fund everybody else. We might have enough to fund. So I'll put that in my staff recommendation saying this is a goal on our consolidated plan. So you all are aware. And then you just keep that in the back of your mind when you're making your decisions. Next sign. Annual action plan. So when you, when you guys make your recommendations and then I will put it together and what's called an annual action plan. And so that is saying to HUD, this is what we want to spend your money on. Remember the caper was, this is what we actually spent your money on. The annual action plan is what we want to spend the money on. Um, and then we take it to council. It goes out for another public hearing. It goes out for public comment, things like that. Um, And then they either approve it or they say, nope, take it back to your commission for reconsideration. So I have to be done with that entire process by December 31st of each year. So then when HUD announces how much we're going to get for the year, then I'm ready to submit because the sooner you can submit, the better. This process that we're talking about, like reviewing the applications and everything, that's usually done within one meeting, but it's usually over a span of a few hours. It depends because you'll have to agree on the final numbers. So if you get to a point when someone's like, nope, nope, nope, we got to come back some other time, we can. I know it's been done before. It's just a different process, but it's typically done within one meeting. One meeting over a couple hours span. Because you've got to get through the presentations of everybody. I think that's the biggest, yeah. No. Oh, and that will be, I usually do in September. Did we decide to do September still?

Yeah, we can, yeah.

It'll be September. I'll get it in September. Yeah.

If not September, early October. I know this September, September is when we have one planning commission meeting because of Labor Day. And this, I don't know, we'll be through. I'm looking at Matt. We're through comp plan by then. We're at council with comp plan in September. So, yeah, I think we decided September.

Usually the end of September is when you'll see me again. Next slide, please. Okay, so the other time that you will see me throughout the year is if I need a substantial amendment from you guys. So that can only be caused by if I decide to, or I didn't decide, right? They came to me and asked for additional money, and it's over 25% of what we've already awarded them. Then I need to come back to you guys, tell you what's going on, and then you tell me yay or nay. Um, we could also do substantial amendment if we create a project. So say we have extra funds and somebody comes to me and they're like, I want to build a new playground. Okay, great. Well, that wasn't in my annual action plan. So now I need to go to my planning commission to get their approval to do that. I can't just wake up one day and decide to do all this by myself. or if we already have a project, so say that pump track that I told you guys about, let's pretend that they decided they want to go to a totally different park. They don't want to do Vancouver Park anymore. Okay, again, great. That's wonderful, but I already said in my annual action plan it was going to be Vancouver Park. So now I need to come back to you guys and get permission to change the location. So those are – Those are the major ones. No, I don't want to jinx myself. But that doesn't happen very often. It hasn't happened in a couple of years. Knock on wood. But it does happen. And mostly the most common one is that 25% or more is when people ask for more money.

Because who doesn't want more money?

Next slide, please. Okay, this one is just more for your information. So we are also, we as in Kennewick, are also part of what is called a home consortium. So that's another pot of money from HUD, and we're in partnership with Richland and Pasco. So that money is only designed for affordable housing, like down payment assistance, home rehab, rental assistance, housing development, which the housing development kind of ties into the next bullet point of that 15% of our grant allocation has to be set aside for our community housing developer organization, which at this time is Habitat for Humanity. Um, And then funding decisions are only made between the three cities. We don't go to our planning commissions. We do go to council, but it's when things are final saying, hey, here's what we did. You guys cool with that? And they're always like, yeah, that's fine. Richland, on the other hand, they're the lead entity. So they're kind of like... the holder of the purse, I guess. They're the ones that have to answer to HUD on our behalf if something's going on. They're the ones that if we spend money, we send them the request reimbursement and then they give it back to us to help us out. So it's all of our money, but somebody's got to be in charge of it, right? So their counsel is the one that essentially gets the final say when we want to do something. Um, but this is, I won't come to you guys for like, oh, more funding for this, or, um, here's a project I want to do. This is just so you guys can see that it, we have another program within this program that we, that we handle. I keep looking at you. I think you want to add something.

I'll maybe just add just like maybe for some, just some context. Um, we do have a home rehabilitation program where you can apply to the city for funds to rehabilitate your home, put a new roof on it or fix your HVAC or things like that. That money comes out of this program. And so we pay that money out as, um, when applicants apply and then we have to send a bill to Richland to reimburse us. So that's how the reimbursement side that Kylie was talking about works. So we'll front the money, but we know it's coming back to us. And then we know the balance that we have with Richland. And so as the funds draw down, we know whether or not we need to kind of close a program for the year or not.

So do you have an income that that's based on for people that need that roof? And that's on the website?

Yes. That's another thing that is set by HUD every year.

On the consortium program, do they take your input? I mean... Sorry. On the consortium program for, like, down payment assistance. Oh, yeah. Because I used it in the past with clients. Okay. And the biggest limitation we have all the time is that the house has to be moving ready. So usually if the house is moving ready, it's not going to be the cheapest. So sometimes, and even in, like, basic things like out of hazards, like lead-based paint and things like that. So since there's, like, a rehab program, it'll be really nice to be able to do, like, certain budget for... We're missing CO2 detectors in the cellar. It's a foreclosure, for instance. So things like that where it could extend the amount of people that it helps if the program was a little bit tricky to fit the parameters that are required.

Right, right. Yeah. When we do our down payment assistance, we go and we do that inspection. And, of course, it's like seven, eight pages long of things we got to check off. But... if it's, we also help because their first time home, but that's what the program's designed for is first time home buyers. So we help them along that checklist. If there's things that, that pop up. So for example, we just did one on Friday and this house doesn't have a stove. Well, instead of just saying, Nope, you're disqualified. We're going to help walk you through the process to get that stove in the house. So then we can get to your closing date or, um, I think there was also no smoke or CO detectors. Our fire department will install smoke detectors there for them. And then I think the CO detectors, you can get a pack of five at Home Depot for $10 or something that usually the seller is willing to go in. So we help walk them through that. But yeah, I can see how, yeah, the rehab program would go hand in hand very well with that. So, yeah, we try to make, we just make sure the home is up to code, healthy and safe. And then. get everybody in houses that we can. That's nice. Next slide. Okay, this is where I talked about the consolidated plan. It's every five years, and it's a whole long process of public hearings, stakeholder meetings, council meetings, setting goals for us for the next five years. And so we as Kennewick have one for ourselves, but we also have one as a home consortium with Richland and Pascoe. So you won't see that process because we just did it, we just finished it last year. So you'll see that again in another, and I think in 2029 is when we'll start the process again, yeah. Next slide. And that is it. That's my spiel. Just remember, CBG can help a lot. And I'm excited to be here. So I hope you guys will look forward to our big September or October meeting. Kylie, how long have you been doing this? I've been in this position since 2022. Wow.

I see your passion and that you enjoy it. I love my job. That's wonderful.

I love helping people. Love seeing the smiles on their faces. What a blessing you are to our city. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay. Any commissioners have any other questions for staff?

Not in regards to that. On something else? Sure. Where are we at on finding a replacement to come on the board?

I think we just, yeah, I know. We talked about that just before you got here. So with the Block Grant Advisory Committee being dissolved, we reached out, the city clerk reached out to the members of the Block Grant Advisory Committee and asked, let them know they could submit applications if they wanted to fill the vacancy on the Planning Commission. So we kind of gave them first opportunity, right? before putting it out to the public. So we didn't get anything from that. And so that's, I don't know if I was, we were talking about, I know they were going to go out soon. They may, it may have gone out already that they're, that application, the application window is open. Okay. If it's not open yet, it will be open soon. But I'm not, I know it's going to be opened up to everybody. So I'm just kind of looking right now to see if I can see if it's been posted. Yeah. It looks like you can apply today. So, so that's, that's opened up. So I'm not sure how long they're planning on keeping that open. Yeah. And they've listed it looks like there's a vacancy on the Disability Board, the Historic Preservation Commission, and the Planning Commission. So they're advertising for all three currently. So hopefully soon.

Does staff have any other updates or things that they'd like to bring forward?

We don't have any other council action updates, but I would like to give an update to the commission and let you know that Melinda's retiring. I don't know if any of you knew that. And it is coming, so she'll be retiring at the end of this month. So tonight is her last planning commission meeting. She's... 30? I know. I'm sorry. She's served the city for 33 years and has done a great job and served in this role. I don't recall how long she served as the Planning Commission secretary or clerk.

It's been since 2014.

Yeah, since 2014. So 12 years in this current role. are working on that so we do have a trans we have a trans well we have a transition plan and so um those who have been to council over the last you may know um uh tina but uh brandy ralston who was formerly the uh deputy city clerk is going to be handling the planning commission beginning in july so um Sad to see Melinda go, but excited she gets to have her retirement and enjoy time not here on Monday night. I know she's a big Seahawks fan, and so you're not going to. You don't get Monday night football when you're at planning commission.

So she won't be online watching us?

Actually, it's been missing the March Madness NCAA tournament because it's always on a Monday. And so I would always have to miss that. It was really hard. Not anymore. Not anymore.

Yeah. She will have plenty of time for that. So, yeah, sad, I guess, sad day, but excited for her.

Well, that gives me one question. Is the next person going to be so helpful with, like, the emails that we're not getting?

Because she really blesses us by sending them to our private ones when we can't get into the other ones.

So please give them a heads up.

Will do. Anyone else have any other comments? All right. Well, it is now 7.13, and I adjourn this meeting.