Public Arts Board - Regular Meeting

Call the pre meeting of the March Park and Recreation Board to order. Looks like we have everyone but Luis with us. She She won't be here. Won't be here? Alright. Okay. So we have a couple presentations that we're gonna get into get into in-depth today. So what

how how long do you think

yours will run? We've got this one queued

up here on I think I should do the other

one first. Yeah. I might so, Mike, what's do you have the other one loaded? Yes. Okay. We're gonna flip that around. We're gonna call an audible on you there. Sorry about that. Okay. Alright. But before we get there, we'll do the construction projects first. And I don't know if you have any PowerPoint on that.

I don't have PowerPoint. Okay. We are taking the matching grant with Bear Creek Running Club to KDC and council Tuesday back to back. Yay. Hopefully, KDC recommends it. The council will vote on it immediately afterwards. Okay.

When will will that be regular or work?

It's a consent item, so they'll discuss it in work session unless they have questions. And I've let Mark know. He said he he might not be able to be here by 04:30, but I'll let him know the other meeting starts at 05:30 if he wants to come.

So if we wanted to come in support of that beer 05:30. 05:30. Yeah.

Shade structure is complete at Chase Oaks Sports Park. They are closing the softball parking lot and baseball parking lot on Monday, up until next Thursday for baseball on Friday for softball to do the final top coat and restriping. Since they use them as staging areas, it's kinda worn everything off, and it doesn't look as great as the rest of the park. So they're doing that. Still waiting on one of the big ball fields to be sodded.

They were trying to get to that this week, waiting on gates for those fields, all synthetics done. They've started work on the restroom by the Legacy Field, and they're working they've started working on the maintenance screen wall behind the equestrian arena. Yeah. They're still working on the interactive water feature. Signage. Some signs were going up today, so I hope they'll have pictures for you at the next meeting before we have our ribbon cutting on the twenty fifth.

Well, the water feature I was asked the other day if that's gonna be done by ribbon cutting.

That's the one that may not be.

Yeah. Yeah. We were Yeah. Thought that's I actually said I thought it was gonna be

They drug their feet

a long time on that.

Well, no.

I just thought it was gonna be close.

So There was a lot of discussion about how to make the surrounding plaza line up with the actual water feature Oh. Surface.

I was wondering how they're gonna do that.

Well, that's what took that's where the delay came from because they had to go back to numerous engineers and discuss what the right solution was before they just started messing with it.

So That's a good reason that we don't like Okay. I wouldn't start then.

So is the water pad gonna be just one small circle? Yep. There will be any concrete

around it? There'll be concrete all around it. Those won't have the jets in it. What you see is where all the the jets are.

What about far out from the center

circle it will be? You know?

Well, how far out? Well, it'll go all the way underneath the the shade structures that they put up

Okay. Good. Yeah. That's pretty tall, that center piece. That must be the the limo.

Okay. Yeah.

And then we're gonna have I'll mention this again later, but we're having the ribbon cutting at the April 6 night hike for the trail on Mount Gilead.

And that starts at six? April 6 at six?

Yep. Believe six

is I'll the correct have it in the newsletter.

We will we will let you know.

So are we gonna do that? Are we gonna park up at the park?

Yeah. We can do the ribbon cutting there and then

Walk the other walk the other way. Yeah.

What's the name of the parking again?

Overton Ripley.

Thank you.

Once the once the water feature is done Yes. Do we have have we solidified the dates in which it will be operational? Because I know a lot of cities do, like, labor day. They do.

There's We are actually if you remember, Luis from the Keller Point. Alright. He is going to become our Water guy. Water guy for the sports park. So we haven't determined that. I know that council and the citizens are gonna want it operational as much as possible, but we also gotta be careful with the weather. So we'll come up with standard protocols and

Are you wearing two hats, or are you just is that gonna be your dedicated deal? Two hats.

Two hats.

Great. Alright. Well, congratulations. This is gonna make the cowboy ride. You're gonna have an evening.

What's that? The cowboy.

Where is From the sun.

From the sun.

Okay. Any other updates on the construction? Any other questions? Exciting stuff.

That looks so good.

I was remiss in not introducing our guest. Colonel? You wanna introduce yourselves? Sure. Hi. My name is Ed Prem. I'll be running

for mayor. I am running

for mayor.

Oh, I gonna say. Currently, I just thought I'd come in and listen to

him and see what's going on.

Thanks for coming. You're welcome. Thanks for coming. You're this is the illustrious pick a superlative and and apply it as long as it's nice. Kind of, you know. We're we like to claim to be our the our the working board of all the boards and commissions, but they're all great working boards. But this crew likes to get in, get our hands dirty, and so you'll see us beyond our just our regular meetings because we'll be out at the events and this group's really active. So

That's excellent. Well, you know, one of the things that drew me to

Keller when I retired was parts

and recreation stuff, the trails

and everything. So whatever you guys have been doing, keep doing it. Right. I appreciate it.

A great wonderful thing.

Well, that's actually truly one of the things that I think I think we'd all say that's a lot of what motivates us to all be here on this board too and and what brings the passion to the to the table here. And and so we're we're excited to be part of this.

So So before you get into that, I wanna just kinda make a comment real quick. I won't take this. It'll pay.

It depends on the comment. I don't know.

So just to remind everybody

even pre edited this time a comment. So I guess it's, you know, it's a free it's a free it's a free world.

Alright. So anybody look done the survey yet? How many there's a ton of questions on parks and trails.

Sure was.

I'm telling you. And on Killer Point and KSAC also.

And it's a very smart one because it pulls your answers, and then you, like,

keep reranking your own everybody can do that and remind their neighbors to do

that. Yes.

To get that survey done.

That's all I had.

I think the draw from the trash pickup.

Yeah. The trash pickup really got people stirred up. As a hot topic.

What? What what what?

The trash pickup.

Oh, yes.

The trash. The contract's gonna

Oh my gosh.

It's due. It's due. Yeah.

So they've gotta redo it.

How long is the contract? I

don't know if it was

a three or five year. I think Yeah. It's the private track.

No. No. That's part of

the survey about which So I

saw it. It. I just haven't

But people are like, I moved here for the two day week traffic.

Yes. I'm here for the

I think we have one of the most generous trash pickup

fields ever. I love the craft.

They are so nice. I'll bring them cookies. I'll leave them.

My son is just outside the window.

Christmas. You're kinder. Let him get in the truck.

No. People put half of their house out there.

And they'll pick it up. And it's crazy.

Oh, I know.

But the survey the headlines for the survey is misleading because it talks about trash. It doesn't talk about anything else.

Clickbait. It's clickbait. Why?

It's clickbait.

Hey. But then they get in there, and then we could talk about parks

and stuff. All about fortune.

Well, speaking of trash and clickbait Yes, it's a great segue to this presentation. Just kidding. So we are gonna go into our subcommittee reports. And so, Ed, just so you know, a precedent that we set on the board here is that we have subcommittees that we have the I think you and I talked about this a little bit when I met you that we have in order to abide by TOMA, but and also to abide by our premise and mission to be a working board, we actually break some of the things down into subcommittees, so we can actually get some other things done and then bring things back to the broader board. So we have a couple of things that we're gonna present this evening that that is little more in-depth that have been, ongoing projects that that groups of us have worked on, and we're gonna present those to the broader park board tonight to so they can see and have some and offer some feedback on it.

Of course, council is the ultimate policymaker. We're the conduit and bridge to to make recommendations. They can do with it what they will. But we we are this gives you some of the depth and background and analysis that, you know, that we try to put forward. So they they have a foundation to work from. Does that make sense? Well, can I sit up here or somebody else in there? So we can hear. Well, he I'm I'm since he's running for office Yeah. He's probably safer sitting where he's sitting. How about that? Okay. Alright. So Cody, arrow in the middle?

The big one. Yeah. Yeah. Go forward.

So is this the one I sent you though? Because oh, yes. Okay. There it is. I was missing a couple sentences, but that's why. So I like is it okay? Is it gonna mess up the the our TV audience at home if I stand up here a little bit because it's gonna be

They won't see you. They'll see what's

on the screen. But that's okay. Yeah. I don't care if they see me. They're only It might be harder to hear you. They're only seeing my bolts out anyway.

It might

be harder to hear you with being next to them. Probably not me. Okay. So I wanted you to have the context of so you probably have heard a little bit about what's going on here. I know you have because your husband coaches out there at KYA. There's been some back and forth about a lot of this. And Tom and Jay and I have served on the this subcommittee, and then we've been meeting on a regular basis with Cody. So we have put together this presentation, submitted it. It's gone through multiple iterations. It's gone through the KDC.

There's actually a a task force that has been that's worked on the sports park. And then they're you know, each time we put something forward, we've had a little bit of back and forth. And then we actually buy, you know, some direction from council and staff. It was actually parts and pieces have been put out there in the fall. The the user agreements went out as a test float saying here's what's coming.

So so the associations could see what what was going to be expected, And then the rental actually, the fee rental agreements and things were actually put out in the fall as well. There I'm just giving you some context, so you understand that there there's multiple parts to this and they all work in concert with one another. So there's the the user agreements. Basically, user agreements that were that were actually put in place here that hadn't been basically updated since 2014. It was the last time that there were actually any substantive changes made or edits made.

You guys jump in here when and and add it to this. But any substantive changes made except for you, Tom. But any changes made I was just kidding. The to these documents. And so there was a couple things just, know, off the bat. Well, from from from the jump that we wanted to do. One, pair them down because they were cumbersome and they weren't really being utilized. That people you would call them governing documents, but they you know, they're not a governing document if nobody's paying attention to. And then two, they they were they were, I I would say pretty redundant. Right?

They there was a, you know, there was not it wasn't a cohesive document. And and then three, they didn't they they they hadn't really reflected the evolution of sports, youth sports in Keller since 2014 because there've been new sports at lacrosse, some other sports that had come on the scene. So for all those reasons that those documents need to be updated. So that was one of the things we jumped into first. So we started working on it.

The other thing is, one of the things we've been trying is you all know and you some people are newer than others on the board. But one of the things we've been trying to do is to have the board do more. As you heard from those of us that have been here for a few years and a few terms, when Jay and I first were on the board, we met four times in a year. We did nothing. And and and so when we came back for reappointment, they said, would you like to be on the board again? We said, not if we don't do anything. Not if we don't contribute. So we want to do more. And every year we've been asking, let us do more, let us be, you know, more impactful. And and and I think over the years, we've been able to do more and more and more.

And and along and to that end, what we've been a you know, what we've been very fortunate is councils entrusted us to actually jump in and do more of a deep dive along with staff. Staff has entrusted that and welcomed that too because they only have so much bandwidth. And so we got in there and said, let us, you know, be an arm of for staff and be a resource for staff and counsel both and the citizens. So we were kind of there for all all of our constituents. Right?

So then we so we went in there and we restructured those documents and paired them down. We actually had one other committee member and and you probably all know him. It's called his name is Jack GPT. And and we employed him as well just to help us even pair him down even more. So we we went in and and edited those documents.

And then one of the things that we wanted to do is put some more teeth in it. And that's how that the other responsibilities came into play because we wanted the board here. It's it's one thing to have a governing document, but if you don't have, you know, someone to to actually actually have, you know, to ride hurt on that document, have them, you know, report to staff just means more burden on Cody and his team. To have them report to council. How are they gonna do that?

You know, what have you ever come to a council meeting and looked at all the things that are on the agenda on a given date? You know, so this seemed to be the natural place for for those accountability things that we wanted to put in place. This seemed to be the right place to be the arbiter of, you know, hey, all things related to rules and regulations to that we could be the ones to take care of that. And so that's how we lined everything in those documents. And we asked permission.

We didn't make assumptions that we could do it. And they said, no, that made sense. So in KDC, you will find that council members sit on KDC. So we're asking in that in that group. And then on on the task force and the subcommittees on the task force, we also asked in that in in that setting as well. And we've had some joint sessions with those groups. And so we've unveiled these at different stages along the way. So we kinda got that piece agreed to. Right? And you jump in here too and help where I'm missing.

So that was one leg of the stool. The second leg of the stool was to address, okay, we're gonna you build it, they're gonna come. Right? We have our own little field of dreams over there. And so we have to think about, okay, one of the things we, you know, for the justification of this is we tired of everybody going everywhere else for tournaments and all these other things.

So we want to be able to have tournament play and have other opportunities out there and utilization of that field and and and the the complex. So we're gonna have you know, obviously gonna have field rentals and all these things that need to be considered. So we need to have fee structures and rental agreements and tournament agreements. We didn't have tournament agreement before, and we need to figure out how that's all gonna work. So we put a tournament agreement together, and then we didn't have really an agreement that was a substance for the arena out there.

So we put that up together. Then once you put those things together, you gotta figure out how you're gonna put controls in place to actually know, how do you keep people in and out of places? If you before, you had one gate that got you into all soccer fields. Now, there's individual gates that get you into each, but so there's all these little collateral things. Once you solve one problem, you might open the Pandora's box and create a few more. So there's a lot of thought that goes into all of this. Right? There's a lot of context. That's why it's taken how long? Wait, couple years. Right? You know, too long. Yep. Too long. But there's the it's been there's been quite a bit to it.

The third leg of the stool there's only three legs. The third leg of the stool is the fees and the fee structures that are charged to the associations. And and and so all those things need to work in concert with each other. And so the rubber meets the road where those come together and they need to work in concert with one another. But if you take one out of that context and you evaluate it in a vacuum, then some of this can start to break down. And that's where you may have heard some noise. I know you've heard a lot of noise.

I haven't heard

that much noise. Oh, have you? I think so. Okay. Well, good. But I'll get

But We're also fourteen years, so we're about that.

Yeah. Yeah. Well So, you know, so I can say this definitively. Everybody that has an opinion on this is has they're they're they want the best for, you know, the the we we all agree on one mission and and the underlying mission statement. And that is that the number one objective for this Keller Sports Park is that is to serve youth recreational sports.

Mhmm.

So if from that perspective, from the foundational piece, you know, if we're all grounded in the same mission, then I feel we

can

come to an agreement. Right? You know, because we're all working from the same premise. Getting there though, we you you have bias that's tugging on you because you might have I will admit one area of familiarity that I have better than others there is that I served on the Keller Soccer Board for years. I coached out there for twenty one seasons, soccer. So I know that better than I know k y in baseball. Now my kid play, my kids play basketball, all those things. So I know, you know, fundamentally how these things work. But the one I know better is that. So we tried to be very much neutral, unbiased player and and kinda look at everything.

And we did bring the associations in and we did get their feedback. So that said, I would like to jump into this, go through what we talked about, give you some context, then I added a slide tonight for this presentation that is what I called sticking points. These are the things that as we tested this, gave it a test ride out there as counsel heard some of the feedback that they got in the fall or those who made assumptions about what they heard based on all the television audience at home throughout when they, you know, you know, right between us and land man, you know, when they were watching. They, you know, they heard what they heard, you know, and made assumed what they assumed without the context of the three legs that went to the stool. You know, they they may have only heard part of the argument and then, you know, inferred the rest.

And that that can be a problem. So you guys are on the park board. You need to hear the whole thing. Yep. We're not gonna lead you down a path. You could have you might have your own. You might come with another sticking point that we hadn't thought of that. So we're gonna jump into it. Okay? So here we go. Prior you gotta have some context first. This is the history. So what was happening before now? So years ago, this is and this started with councilman Cawthra many years ago, Tom Cawthra said, you know what? There's non residents playing out there, and we need to have Tom, if you're listening, if I'm if I'm wrongly blaming you, but no.

I know for a fact because we had multiple conversations about this. But there was there was a group council at the time said, you know, residents should pay a fee. And so went back and forth and I was on the soccer board at the time we were trying to figure out how to do it. And so we had to turn in rosters and we had to give our basically our census to show our resident and non resident and that way we could do an accountability. And then for those non residents, we were charged a fee for them.

And so in the most recent non resident fee prior to the fee structure that we're proposing to roll out was $30 per player. And residents did not have a fee. And so the only income coming out of the sports bar up to this point was that. So your your for reference here, you had a resident fee of zero, non resident fee of $30 per player per season. That's another important thing if you're taking those at home.

So that's all sports. The other thing that's important here, which will also be part of the discussion, germane to the discussion is that there are sports that have one season, and then there's some that have two or multiple seasons. So you have soccer, baseball, softball, sports with two seasons. Lacrosse, I was gonna call Chris before I came out here because I need them to make up their mind. Do they have one season, two seasons, or just one incredibly long season? One I understand what

you're starts in the season doesn't I don't think the season officially starts till January, and it's over by May.

I think they have a perpetual Yeah.

Feel like that too.

Think Yeah. He texted me the other night because he was so excited that they were renting a field and and I was like, I almost asked them on that. What I mean? We know the we've come to know these guys quite well through all of this. And and that's the other beauty about being Keller frankly is that you get to know these folks very well. And so but in the past, prior structures revenue was driven solely by non residents. Okay? Everybody on board with that? Now, that meant this. In 2024, the fees collected were right around a $132,000. Okay? Everybody got that? You can see that football, we didn't have any fees generated there. We didn't have any fees generated from cheerleading. You're like, wait a minute, cheerleading?

Yeah. We charge that. We the the that is gonna be a sport that's out there that will be charged a fee going forward, and it is a registered k y a sport. So hold that thought too. That's another one if you're taking notes.

Well, just to clarify, they have been out there and we have been getting it. It's just '24 was when construction was underway and so they they didn't They didn't participate yet.

Yeah. But that's but that will play into this because we were doing all of our comparisons to '24 revenue. Right. So but thank you for that. And then lacrosse, nominal seems low, but then you know, we're kinda there's a ramp up year there too because we didn't have prior year data and we're just kinda getting things launched. Because if you recall, when did we build that when that lacrosse

field? 2021.

Yeah. So we're just starting moving there. And they do have a their mix is heavy non res. Right? Yep.

Yep. Very much so. Yeah. So okay.

So to try to move forward and do any kind of analysis and sort of extrapolate numbers, we had to make some assumptions. Right? So we had to build a model that would say, okay, what would the numbers look like if we added some fees for residents and if we added, you know, if we were to extrapolate this out and we had fees for res and non res. So we what would those we had to make some assumptions because we didn't have any resident numbers. We didn't collect that census data.

We the the associations never turned resident numbers into us, and so we didn't know you know, we didn't ask them how many people play soccer. Now we didn't we didn't collect that data. So we kinda had to look at that based on what they told us and what their splits were. Resident, you know. And so based on the reported splits, we came up with this analysis. So if you if you look at and I looked at this so many times I finally had to call Cody today. I go, I can't my brain is so dead because I had to look at the chart a couple times. So don't add across. I can see Caitlin do it right now because she's always our analyst in the room. Don't add across because they don't add up.

These two columns and then these two these and these this these will add. So if I have my spring and fall, right? That was to add up. Then if you add that spring and fall totals those will add up. Okay? So these are my assumptions. Right? And so this slide is just giving me a basis for the analysis to move forward. And you can see that I just don't have enough data on football, sheer, and lacrosse. But I'm not even gonna dwell on this slide because it just gave us a foundation for what's to come here.

Okay? So moving forward, what we propose as a subcommittee was this. We said initially, and I'm going to show you you see a couple arrows here and a change. We initially proposed that residents actually would then pay a $10 player fee. And And this has taken on a couple changes.

So I'm going to tell you the initial proposal and then the change because this represents the change, but the proposal Initial proposal was a resident would play $10 per player with a cap of $40 per family. The non residents would pay originally, we proposed $50 per player, and there was a cap per family. And then we had originally said that would be charged per season. Yeah. What we heard back was that that was going to be cost prohibitive, and that was going to be detrimental, and that was going to we got a lot of feedback because again, this went out in the fall and it hadn't, you know, and and we got immediate feedback.

And so we went back to the drawing board, and we heard not only from the associations, we heard from people on council and others. And so we heard from multiple stakeholders. So we as a subcommittee went back and said, okay, wait a minute. So what if we went back and said, let's and then and then one of the other things was, you know, we so when you test that water and you put the fee out there and you say, okay, we want to do this. It's kinda hard to then say we wanna retract it.

Right? But some people that actually said they wanted to put the resident fee out there then got a little nervous. So maybe we don't want that resident fee out there. And and then we went back and forth and talked about it and deliberated and all those different entities like KDC and then we decided, okay, the resident fee, we are gonna put that out there, but it's still gonna be nominal. But but the the the subcommittee thought we maybe we just charge it one time per player per twelve month period per sport. Does that make sense? Mhmm. Okay. So remember that at the beginning I said there's some some sports that play one season. Yep.

Mhmm. There's some sports sports that plays two. So if you're one of those two season guys, like, so if you're a soccer and you were a seven six two four eight and you register for both spring and fall, you'd only pay the $10 once. Yeah. Does that make sense? Mhmm. You were gonna question.

Do any of our seasons crossover a year,

and is it just

at start of seasons of both start in 2025 then you're

It's not so that's a great question, and thank you for asking. That's why it says a twelve month period and not a calendar year. Okay. Because yes. So if you're charging 60 per person

for nonresidents for a twelve month period, and before you were charging $30 per nonresident per season

It's the same.

That's what it Exactly.

You're not really the only people that are incurring additional debt are residents. That's correct.

And I'll get there in a minute. So so but that was part of the rationale. So so so the so when so some of the feedback was initial feedback and pushback from certain constituents or the residents got a $10 fee and the non residents got a break. And so we came back and said, understand how you feel there. But what was happening is really not that. Because what was happening was the residents were actually the nonresidents were paying $50 Right. Per season. Right? So the residents were at non residents were actually gonna in our other model, we're gonna pay a $100. They were paying $40 milk.

Right. So we came back and said, okay. That's how you that's what you're that's the that's the perception and we understand that's how you're perceiving it. Mhmm. We that's how that was one of the other motivating factors to go to the one fee for a twelve month period. But I'm glad you said that because that that contributed to this model. Right? Yeah. That was the optic. Exactly. That's the words we use, optics. Right? And you're gonna see that in the rationale we use. So we came back and said, okay, let's do this one. To your point, twelve months not calendar because and then another point to that too.

The baseball's heavy reg for their initial reg for new players in the spring. Heavy reg new players for soccer is in the fall. Yeah. Okay? So you might get introduced to new a lot of new first time players for soccer in the fall.

But you're so if you're in a cal if you're in a twelve month period, it's just twelve month period. So now there's a whole other series of issues that relate to, man, how do you keep up with that and how much your tracking software Yep. And there's some mitigating factors there that we have to work through on a on a on a on a system side. But there's gating issues that we can work through it, And there's things that we can solve for that that we can help staff. And and and those have been raised, but we can address those and and and fix that part. And because at the end of the day, it boils down to ZIP code, rosters, and and they're relatively straightforward and things that we can work through. But I wanna get through the presentation. Peggy, did you

have a question? Well, I just I was listening to what you're saying. So what you're saying, if you're a nonresident, you could charge $60 for soccer. But if you come back and maybe do you only have these soccer one group at a time and then, like, say baseball or softball?

No. Per sports. Per sport.

So that's that's what I'm going at. You have

an honor as a child. Per per sport. Yeah. So if you played football and baseball, you're playing 60 for baseball or playing 60 for football. Okay. Everybody got it? Is the

cap the two forty cap per family per sport? Yep. Or per okay. Per sport.

Okay.

It's a per sport piece. But now remember, go back to your point which I think is important. So and you'll see this in my recap at the very end. There was some people that had heartburn that, hey, you know, we're leaving money on the table. No, you're not. Because in the model that we had before on the 50, you were actually making more. Alright? And and we'll show you all that here

in a minute.

Okay? Gotcha. Yes.

One question. Is is there gonna be like a player card or something? Like, when you

get a stampede they give

you you have to check-in that you are registered

So so here here I'm gonna and I mean this with love and respect. Okay? You're solving the problem. You're solving you're you're you're we're there's gonna it's gonna have to be different by score.

Right.

Okay? Because k y, it's a volume issue depending on the score. Right? So with but I I and so I mean I don't I mean that with respect. It's it's just gonna depend because each sports gonna have to figure out how to manage it based on the way they do the registration. Registration. Because they a lot of different a lot of they they some do their their registration with different software packages. And then when you come to baseball, they're so complicated because they have their select group and then they have their rec group and they You have guest players. And then yeah. And that gets really weird.

Yeah.

And so so it's one of those things where Yeah. What we have said is let's get the model figured out.

Okay.

And then we'll get the instrument. We'll work with you on the instrument because what we don't want to do is make their life more miserable.

Right. Right.

Other motivation here is we don't want to create a monster that they can't manage. Right. Okay. But here's the thing. All along the way, Cody's been part of this discussion. Right? So we didn't create something. We didn't go over to what's on tap. And after about four or five you know. We did go to WhatsApp. So if you were to look at the rev piece, this is what it would look like. And you remember the other what we had before. Right? So you see that you you had an increase here. Right?

Everybody got that? Okay. So now extrapolating numbers. If you were to take the model and apply it to the twenty twenty five numbers that we kind of extrapolated out, you saw you can see a number here. And then if you look at the actuals versus 26 projections assuming the same participation rate year over year with this new model, which is what I mean by new model.

New model is the revision from that fifty ten. So the sixty ten once per twelve month period versus the twice a year because that's the change. So that's how it might be a little confusing for you guys when you say new model. So this is this is the whole thing is new to you, but we're this is we we've revised it. So when we originally posed the first plan and then we said we wanted to go to the twelve month deal, they you're said gonna leave money on the table.

We're no, you're not. We're no, we're not. If we go to the one time per twelve month period, we're still looking at an increase because we never had a recipe before. Right. And that's gonna drive that, and we haven't even touched the rental piece yet. Yeah. Yeah. Actually

But the increase is being driven by the residents because a soccer player who played two seasons paid $30 and $30, they paid 60, and now they're gonna pay 60.

Yes. And it's being driven by the other sports that have a res, nonres mix, and it's being driven by those who you have people that will come in and play a one season deal and pay 60.

Yeah. They're gonna pay 60 when they otherwise would have paid 30. Right. Correct. Okay.

Sure. Did share go down because it's a one season?

It on the price. It she it's just a numbers because based on the way it extrapolate. Yeah. It probably gets because it came out of the yeah.

K. I That makes sense. That's the only one I think that went down.

So so these prices are not in effect yet, though, are they?

No. No. Nobody agrees with it.

Because I'm gonna say it because we're going twenty six twenty twenty six. I mean, where are we?

It's projection stopping. You know where we're at because we're still hard to set points of contention, sticking points. So the reason why it's a sticking point is because we're stuck.

Right. We have been

stuck. Right.

Right. It's not there yet because

we're I got you. So, you know, we're still going on last

year's projection. So a once per twelve month registration fee does not reduce revenue. It's fair this is our this was our rationale that we proposed. I'm not it has not been accepted. This is what we proposed. It's fair for families with athletes participating in multiple seasons, simpler to communicate and administer than than per season fees. Some may argue that it's not, but this is our rationale. Reduce sticker shock for residents paying a registration fee for the first time because residents have never paid a fee Right? Residence exam taxpayer here. The Howard Parks funded? Right.

By taxpayers. They're gonna pay

How are they funded? Sales tax.

The sales tax. Sales tax. Remember that.

Still something to think about generally.

So reduces sticker fees for residents paying a registration fee for the first time limiting assessments to one per sport annually. Improves competitiveness of Keller affiliated associations relative to neighboring feet. Once we started looking at that and then again went back and assessed it against our neighboring associations. We went from being like the bargain guys to it woah. Then we went to the most expensive And in some cases cost prohibitive.

But we're in the park.

So this puts us kind of in the middle of Okay. Middle of the pack.

So with the nicest fields. Well, arguably.

Arguably, yes. Arguably But arguably, yes. However, the the k the k y a people will come back and tell you that if it and this is a select argument not a rec argument. A select argument will come back and tell you that they they have you know, amenities where they can go indoor and bagging, you know, those all these things like that. I would say that some of the other sports can't argue that.

Right? But I also would say that, you know, we there's no question we're gonna have we can say, we can claim, we can legitimately claim we're gonna have the premier place to play now. But we also you know, we we don't want to you know, we don't wanna handicap our our associations by driving teams to other places. Because we know, you know, because we've watched the other places ramp up their if you look at North Fort Worth, if you look at Roanoke, if you look at some of the other places that are around us, they're improving their parks too. They're improving their soccer fields.

They're improving some of their so they're gonna try to keep some of their teams home. So if we if there's optionality all around and they and all of a sudden, we're priced out of the market, they may just pick up those non resident teams and go elsewhere. And if you remember at the beginning when we were out there saying we're gonna build this $40,000,000 investment over the year, And we were saying it's gonna drive a lot of economic development. You look at all the great stuff going on in Old Town and all the things it's gonna bring and people hanging out. I mean, the guy at QT probably funds that whole place on his slurpy business along with had just out of the kids are playing dumb playing sports.

I mean, we don't want that business to go away. We want them to come in and take advantage of Old Town and all the great things that are gonna be happening over there and that side. And so those teams that are traveling in, look at the percentages.

Yeah.

And then look at the those fees that are coming in there. That's not that's not something to, you know, poo poo there. That's No. That's that's a serious contribution.

You sold me.

Just a quick question. On the charge, you know, if I have two kids, and I'm gonna pay that. Now I don't have to pay the umpires and all of that?

The the those things

Is that in in this? The association takes care

of it. Oh, okay. Good. Yeah. You're all the association. So this is paid for by the association. So when you, Peggy, are gonna sign up to play soccer, You have to pay a fee to the association. The association has to build this into whatever they're charging you. Right. But so what they charge you will include your uniform and for whatever it costs to, you know, everything else that they build there.

Well my granddaughter plays select softball, and they're all over the place. And it's expensive, and then it winds up they have to pay for the

That's different. That's a different that's that's a different select is a whole different animal. Yes. Select is a different animal with the exception of how Keller does it. It's a whole different animal. Okay. And that's actually one of the things about Keller Select that's been sort of the thing that Keller Select has touted all these years. Is that they haven't nickel and dime you from a fee perspective where you you know, select baseball is pretty brutal on a piece. And my kids have played select sport. My son played select soccer and I can tell you we spend a lot of money on that. My daughter plays like volleyball. And and so you I know, know that side of the the coin too. But from a rec standpoint, it's typically one fee. And you go out there and these things are all built in. They build that into their budget and and that's how that works.

So this is just a portion of what you

would put for Yes. For. I'm just saying that I've been there when they've had to physically

That's okay.

Spay the umps and

and so forth. That's Different center. Those are really determined. It also

it also points up that it's really easy to gravitate towards trying to run the association. The beauty of this arrangement is that the association has a user agreement with the city. Right. We're the landowner. We're the owner of the Mhmm. Amenity. How the association goes about operating the association. That's up to the association. As long as they abide by the user agreement. Which Land

over which is an important point that I want you to remember when we get to the next part of this thing. Okay. Okay? Because there's some key points to that. Because this enforceability, it's all predicated on that being done properly. Okay? So we're not throwing out this stuff lightly. There's some rules and regulations that go along with it. So proposed change, we already talked about that. Final outcome, projected revenues, talking about increase. Right? And then conclusion recommendation we said at twelve months. That's what we said as a subcommittee. And you saw that there were multiple iterations. And those iterations came from a lot of the people are actually disagreeing with us say, hey, what about this?

And then we went back and said, okay, we hear you. We went back and kind of made a modification to address their concerns. Then they kinda disagreed with the the concern that they brought forward. And so then we went back and made another modification because what happens is that and it's no fault to their own, but they've got a thousand things to think about and we were focused on this. And so but it's if you make a tweak, it's going to have a ripple effect. Yeah. All the way down. So now, this is the other monkey in the this is the other. This is one of those legs in the stool. And if you take this one out, it's gonna be hard to balance on that stool.

And this is the field rental thing. The original fees, this is what was released in the fall. This is what we did charge. We did charge these in the fall. Right, Cody? Mhmm. This fee structure we rolled out in the fall. What we had to add is synthetic because we didn't have synthetic before, if you recall. So the fee structures had a resident fee and a non resident fee. And what we realized when we put it out there, and this is all that work we were doing, and we kind of we had to we had to have an all day rental because the hourly rental we thought, okay, we just need to have a day rental just to make life manageable for a city to block something.

And then we had a resident non resident rate, we had a grass and synthetic and we kind of broke it down and it's a little bit different for we did it by sport because there's some impact when it comes to sport because in soccer, the synthetic really is one field, and it's the entire b field, the b pad, which we've had multiple iterations of that, which I wish you here in a minute too. So got that?

Yes. How do you determine if it's a resident or a non resident when

the team is I'm so happy you asked that question.

Hold, please.

But I'm glad you asked that question. Yeah. I'm glad you did.

Were there field rental fees No. In the past? Okay.

Yes. Well, there there were.

There were not like this. But there there were fees, but they were kind of rolled up into the crazy rental fees that we had from everything else. Right?

Was a two hour pad for $25 or something weird. And then if you had the lights, was an extra 17. It was very

it was very old and antiquated. Well, it was an old arbitrary antiquated rates. Remember, if you look at the pavilion fees and you can go rent a beautiful pavilion here for nothing?

Yes. You know,

that's why all these fees are all being considered by us and re re reevaluate because they were they were created, you know, basically, we you know, Moses had the tablets and he came down, and then we created the fart part fees right after that. I think you said that they've been about that old. So, you know, that's how long it's been since we revised that. This is more reflective of where we stand today. Okay? So we put forward some recommendations, and then we came back and revised. And then how many times we revised this? Three or four times. Okay? Is so this is the most recent revision, which was actually the February 16.

And what we did is we went out with an association rate. So I wanted to talk about that. Don't get hung up on this change yet right here. So listen to this listen to this part first. The associations literally went ballistic when they heard about this. They saw the rate structure because they're like, wait, you're gonna charge me fees and then you're gonna charge me these rental fees. And, you know, now soccer had never let people practice on the fields before. It was like when the fields are shut down, nobody's out there ever.

And sorry. There is a caveat. You could rent the fees, but the rental fees were not being charged to the associations for their specific practices. Mhmm.

Yeah. If they if yeah. They were not being charged to the yeah. And they they will maybe qualify that a little bit further. But the so when you say you could

Like, team?

Like, a resident could call and rent a field. Yeah. But when the associations were out there practicing, there were no fees being charged to you. Correct. Right. That's important. Yes.

Okay. So residents had to pay, associations did not have to pay.

Right. Because it was strictly association use and they used it all

the time. Correct.

And an important qualifier is baseball was out there all the

time. Yeah.

Never paying a round fee. Soccer never letting me practice on it. Correct. When they shut the fields down nobody was out there. So the sports parks got empty. Lacrosse is out there playing all the time. And so there are some that would drive by the sports park and go, why is that big beautiful park empty? And it would make people crazy. And the response to that was because the reason why we have the most beautiful pitch in the city or in the I mean, in in DFW is because we don't abuse it. And so but that wasn't a great answer for a lot of people.

And so now, enter into this new deal where there's a calling for that to be activated and they want it to be rented and they want that to be utilized. So when we rolled out the rates, that meant open season. But then we said, wait a minute. One of the things we put in place was we need to put restrictions on that, governors on that that says during season, it's only open to the associations to rent the fields during that time. And the associate so if you're a Keller Soccer Association, the team affiliated with the Keller Soccer Association can only rent the fields during an established season as long as you have an active user agreement and it's in force and it's been submitted to the city.

Same with KY or slightly others. Right? That protects that so the fields are available to them first. Right? And then but then even still they came back and said you're gonna pile all those fees on top of us too. So now those guys like that never paid a fee before all of a sudden paid in fees because that's where they practiced. Didn't impact the soccer so much because they didn't practice out there. But then the cost and others football, everybody else was like, woah. This is huge because this blows our budget. That's where k y said, now we might as well go pay select somewhere else.

We might as well do do something because now our budget's wrong. So okay, we hear you. We hear you. So that's where we came back and said, we'll create this association rate, which effectively would cut that rate in half. And then and then now it gets more into the palatable range for them. Our justification for that was this. We're already charging a user fee for all those players. So we would have the association rate. And now ask your question again. How do you control? How do you figure that out? You figure that out because you have to be a registered coach. You have to be a coach to register to rent the field. Now what else does that benefit you? Anybody else wanna throw that out there?

Anybody else wanna guess? YouTube can't. But anybody else wanna guess? What what's a benefit? What's an upside for a registered coach renting the field during that time? Accountability? Yes. Okay. Background check, accountability. We know who's out there on a given time.

They in order to be a coach, back to the user agreement again, that third leg in the stool, we know they're an accountable registered coach. We have some quality control over this. We also know if you're an association, you're party to the agreement, and you leave the field in bad condition, you don't turn the lights off, you mess up something there, sorry. Not only are you not gonna get to come back, but you're gonna you keep doing this, then the association's in trouble too. So now, it's not just Cody and his staff referee in, the park board referee in, but it's the association holding that coach accountable. It's got all kinds of controls in place. And for us, that made a whole lot of sense. And so that's why we wanted an association rate.

Gotcha.

So that's what we proposed. There's a sticking point. I'll get to that slide. Then there was a point to which someone came back and said, you have that b pad out there, which is synthetic. We had the b pad soccer synthetic rate. We had that at a 100 and we had that low. We had that down there with the synthetic rate with the rest of them. And we thought about that or at least with that, you know what? Point taken because that is a big field. And so we said we'll take that argument and we'll go back and we'll change that.

So we did make this one revision and said that one pad we increased the rate because you literally are renting an entire the pad. Because that field cannot be modified, can't be restriped, you can't can't go stake anything and divide the field with smaller go you're renting the whole thing. That's it. So we did change that ring. Okay? So summary, current fee structure affiliated organizations, nonaffiliated organizations, standard of our rates, not affiliated, you know, they can jump in there at any time. Res non res anybody could go. Here's another thing. What's just happened the last couple weeks? Last couple days?

The rain.

Rain.

So

what happens in rain? You can't play, especially soccer. So what you gotta do? You gotta reschedule. Well, if you don't have fields because 85 people are practicing on that you don't know, then that's a problem.

So that's another reason why we wanna make sure that we make sure the first that that those things are available during season two, those associations. That's one of the benefits of being associated with our with the Keller association. The other benefit because we go back to the fees that you're paying here, go back to the $60 that you're paying per season per player, is that by virtue of being associated with Keller, you get to play on the best fields in DFW. And that is a benefit of being affiliated with the Keller Youth Sports Association. And by virtue of being associated with a Keller team, you get to play and the privilege of playing in that part that's worth the $10 in 12

This money will go back to keeping them nice.

Yeah. So the win win is this. We have the controls. We know we got the background check coach out there. We know that we can hold them accountable in multiple levels. It's the burden is not all completely on staff. And we it's it's a benefit for them to be associated with us. If you don't do that, you could be in North Texas soccer or North Texas whatever and get the same rate to come over here and play. So look, this is a thickening point. One of the issues raised, exclusive field use by sports during seasons.

What's the supposition? Well, that means that we don't wanna see fields sitting idle. They won't use them. Well, they won't use them because they were basing everything on the old rates. But if we had the $25 rate, they'll get used. More people will go out there and use them. But right now they're thinking, we gotta pay this extra fee for the players and we gotta somehow afford that and k y a will pay everything out. They'll pre rent stuff. So they'll lock it in. But the other associations don't do that. Well, lacrosse does. But some of others don't do that. So the supposition is nobody will go out there that feels a sit idle. But I don't think that would be the case. But they're assuming it would.

The other supposition is we want the additional revenue. We wanna keep running them all the time. Well, we have to be able to manage downtime. We have to be able to make sure we don't destroy the fields. And we have to allow staff to basically groom the fields and we have to give them rest. Right? And we have to be able to, you know, basically shut fields down and control things from a weather perspective and maintenance. Right? Other thing is too much favor would be given to the associations. I just made the argument that you gotta give some favor to them to actually have an incentive for them to be here. Right. Because we're charging them fees. They're using fees.

On a lot of the the other work, you know, like, doing background checks on coaches and doing the marketing for the programs and doing schedules and all that.

So And remember I said, remember what he said.

Yeah.

And holding you accountable to all the things that are in the agreement.

Exactly. Yeah. If

you do that and one of the one of the benefits of doing that is that you get you get to be if you get to have you get to use this facility. The other thing association rental rate being less than residential rent rate non residential association member could potentially get a more favorable rental rate than the resident. Yes, for everything we just said. That we feel we can justify that for all those things I just talked about. And we feel it's not they're getting more favorable rate because every kid on the team has to pay to play out there anyway.

So if the guy's over in North Texas soccer or he's up at Roanoke, he's playing soccer and he wants to run down here with his team, we don't know who the coach is. It could be a parent randomly coming out there with their random team. They could just be running out there and doing whatever. We don't know who they are. They just sign up and rent.

Or it could be a resident that runs out there and just pulls a group of people there. Or it could be a select soccer team that happens to have a kid that lives here and they run out and rent the field because they live in 76248. And they get to go out there and play. And the non resident team who actually is a rec team who plays here who pays $60 per kid to play doesn't get to practice there. And so we don't think that they it's you know, we don't think it's an unfair or it's we don't think the scatters are tipped.

And we don't we just don't think it's an imbalance. And that's taken out of context. And so we feel if you listen to the entire rationale of the presentation, we feel that this supposition is is sort of, you know, again, the whole argument hasn't been heard there. Lastly, one player registration fee paid per twelve month versus per player per season potentially leaves money on the table. I already talked to you about that and showed in prior slides.

It the math doesn't support that. Now you take the math just on the registration fees and you add that to what you could potentially make in rental fees. So you're looking at about a quarter million dollars in potential just player registration fees. We feel you'll probably make that. Probably somewhere around that in rental fees.

If you stay open all year with, you know, activation of the park and there's pavilions and other things that can be rented out there. You know, so we think you'll make probably even that much equal to that amount even in in rental fees. So it will be significant out of revenue that we're we've you're we're going close to anything like that at the sports park prior.

If we Good job. If we

I rest my case. Counsel, you're a witness.

If if we if we achieve those incremental revenues related to registration and we get the revenue that we're thinking we can get from rental fees. Correct me if I'm wrong, Cody, but we've guesstimated what our what the city's incremental cost will be to maintain the investment that we've made. And we come we come pretty close to the what's being estimated in these additional registration fees and field bills.

And and I'm glad I'm glad you said that. That was never our charge. Right. So our charge was never to go they we were never given a number to go make up. We were never given the cost recovery model to go support. It just happens to be though that we come close because we heard the number actually after we designed the model. Okay. As a

resident, not not a parks parks board member, but a resident. I I like that. Yep. I'm I'm I'm glad that wasn't the charge so that you didn't come up with numbers that didn't make sense or that weren't competitive. But the fact that it comes out like that makes me happy because I I know we know that the sales tax goes to parks, but it can go to more than just the sports park. And not every family in Keller uses the sports park. So it would be nice if a fair bit amount of that sales tax money was available for the other parks.

Well, and and just so you know, there's not a model right now that says this money rolls back into the sports park. This money goes into the general fund. And so there's no and so that's that's a whole different discussion for another day. And we are at the end of our time for our our pre session. But you have one more question?

Well, actually, y'all answered it. My question was, what's the cost to maintain it?

So yeah. So so The thing I had going back to the optic issue.

Okay. We're gonna charge residents 10

and everybody else pays about

the same profit. Can I

just charge non residents 10 more bucks for a year?

Well And everybody gets a $10 increase.

Here's the thing. So all those things have been thrown out there. Yeah. So why not why not 80? Why not a 100? Why not this? Because because there is there is a point of of diminishing returns. Because you you you have to you these associations need to have competitive teams. They need to you you right now, if you look at the balance, if you look at the $60.40 model, where you have 60 nines and 40 res, and you look at the fact that, you know, we are we we we are somewhat in balance with the with the population that we're drawing from here. If you want you wanna have competitive teams, and you wanna make a mix where you can have enough teams to make up, you know, a good solid competitive association.

So you don't wanna drive all those people out. Yeah. And so so it becomes a diminishing return. You there's a there's a right mix. Right? But we've also said, we run this with this fee structure and we reevaluate it annually. Mhmm.

Yeah. We won't we won't be revisiting a fifteen year old user agreement. We're gonna store we're gonna get this puppy kicked off. We haven't even opened the sneaker thing yet. We we we get it open. We run it for a year. See where we are in the state. In close proximity to the associations, associations and make sure they're being accountable. And then we revisit the fees as we I go

I will ask that we continue on item two b to in the regular session and ask for a motion to adjourn the pre session. You're invited to stay with us for regular session. So I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

I make a motion to adjourn.

Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Adjourn. We'll see you next door. Order the March session of the Park and Recreation Board meeting. First up on the agenda is persons to be heard. This is a time when the public will to address the board on any subject. However, the Texas Open Meetings Act prohibits the board from discussing issues, which the public has not been given three business days notice.

Issues raised may be referred to city staff for research and possible future action. We have no persons to be heard, so we'll move to approval of the minutes. Everyone was emailed the minutes from February 12. Do we have any corrections or adjustments to the minutes? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes.

Motion to approve the minutes.

I have a motion, do I have a second? Don't be shy.

Second.

Okay, nobody's shy. So I have a motion and I have several motion seconds. So pick one. So you can pick anybody in the second. So we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Minutes are approved. Before we go to staff announcements, I'd like to go back to work session from the pre meeting work session B to report of the subcommittee. Our next presentation will be on the trail alignment. Actually before I go there, any of the other subcommittees have anything to report out? Do want to do anything on Johnson Road?

Cody, can you give that update on where you Yes.

Ashley took the first swipe at the RFQ for the playground, did a very well very good job, made a few minor modifications and I've sent that on to our finance department to get some clarification questions going, specifically how long do we have to post it And then do we list the timeline based on when we get the funds in October or can we adjust it for now? So just some housekeeping questions on that end. Looking to hear back from them hopefully next week and take the next steps.

Okay. Sorry, I'm really confused. So it's a budgeted item though in this fiscal. Next next fiscal.

10/01/2020.

So that so really from that perspective it matters not right because it's still you couldn't spend it anyway.

We can't spend it. Yeah. Correct.

The only thing was correct me if I'm mistaken we were originally hoping to know the number while the budget was being finalized so we could put the actual number in the ask as opposed to the placeholder number. So right now, we'll just continue on with the placeholder. So that's the only thing.

Is is your so how confident are you gonna be in the placeholder number?

It depends on which direction we go. If it's community build, feel very confident. If it's a contractor build, I don't feel as confident.

So last time we I'm sorry, I don't mean to dominate all the questions, you all jump in here. But last time we entertained a little bit on that community build, there was a question about liability and discussion around that. Did that get vetted at all? We didn't.

I don't recall any other I haven't had any further conversations. Don't

know Did if someone use the example of another place where they did was that you? Someone brought it up where it was done at another location and then and it was successful, but they had to make sure that they met the city liability test and they whatever people who ever volunteered have waivers and all that. So I'm sure we can it's one of those just like we talked about where we I'm sure we can figure out how to accommodate for it. And I love the idea of it. And we've done it before. So I'm sure we can figure it out.

I think the reason we deferred so we post that discussion is why we went the RFQ route because the quotes were so radically different that we wanted to then hedge towards the RFQ because industry standard to have a contractor do it is was that person high, low, where are we? We didn't have enough data to be able to decide is it worth investigating the risk of the community versus if an RFQ comes back and we can have a community build that falls somewhat close in line or we need to try and look at our budget a little more closely. Is it worth doing all that? We just need more data points was my perspective understanding.

Got it. Okay. I thought there was some discussion around it. Okay, great. Thank you. All right. Any other discussion on that? Any other subcommittee report? No, okay. Let's then go ahead, Jay. Do you want to present from there or are you going to present from here?

I'm going to up there. Okay.

So you can see the title of this particular subcommittee. So this group has done incredible work in collaboration with Jay, if you want to give some foundation on some foundational piece on the work you've done with Alonso and others.

Yes. First and foremost, I want to thank my fellow subcommittee members, Jenna Lee and Ashley, for all their hard work. I think it makes better sense to stand up here because I can see your faces and entertain your questions. I will also caution that, compared to what Felix just did, this might be like watching paint dry. While I am very, passionate about, the trails, I don't know that I can hold a candle

to the

investment that Felix has made. Quick recap on how and why the hike and bike trail got to this point. I don't know if you guys read the community impact that comes monthly, but in January, they were highlighting the hike and bike trails in, in the various communities that received this document. And, Keller showed really well. We had four trails that were highlighted, and that, the other cities pale in comparison to what to what Keller did, but it really, really understated the commitment that the city of Keller has made to hike and bike trails.

There's no mention of the fact that there's 31 miles of paved trail in, in the city. And there's no mention of the fact that if you were so inclined, you could go from Davis Boulevard to the western edge of the new sports park, and you would be on a paved trail that entire time. You would only cross a major thoroughfare one time, and that one time would be double beaconed, crosswalk at Bear Creek, at Bear Creek Park, that's something to be celebrated. It also informs the title of our presentation of achieving connectivity because while many of the board members may know that you could traverse, you could cycle or walk or run the seven and a half miles between Davis Boulevard western edge of the sports park, not everybody in the community knows that, and the community doesn't celebrate it. That's why we are attempting to propose to continue to try to achieve connectivity.

Connectivity Connectivity comes not only from the paved trails, but from, being able to advertise it, being able to, provide signage that directs people how to use it. We will always be challenged on being able to say the same thing about connecting North Keller to South Keller because at some point in time, you have to cross 1709. But we have some really good ideas about ways that we might be able to make that happen at some point in time in the future. Since at least 2015, a portion of the annual KDC budget has included funding for continued development of the hike and bike trails in Keller. The use of those funds has followed the build out of trails in accordance with the hike and bike master plan that was also created in 2015.

Approximately 315,000 of the KDC annual budget has historically been allocated to trail funding over the course of the past ten years. Funding has grown from 250,000 per year in the first five years to an average of 533,000 per year the last three years. The point being that the city has made regular and ever increasing investments in in the hike and bike trails. Two years ago, the subcommittee was tasked with prioritizing the next trail development project and with city council approval resulted in the Mount Gilead trail project that's we're gonna celebrate the ribbon cutting on that on April 6. The subcommittee has rank ordered the and prioritized the rest of the trails in the master plan, but simple execution of the now outdated trail master plan is not the subcommittee's recommendation.

The Mount Gilead Trail project coincidentally dovetailed with the public works project that connected the Mount Gilead Trail on the eastern end to the sidewalk along Roanoke Road to Overton Park. Little did know little did we know we created connectivity, between, much of the community and the city park by having park and public works work together. I wish I could tell you we planned that as a subcommittee, but we did not. It was, it was almost, at least to the subcommittee, at least to this subcommittee member, it was by happenstance. But it's a fantastic thing, and it opened our eyes to how the, Park and Rec Board subcommittee or Park and Rec Board as a whole should be looking at pedestrian facilities and connectivity in the whole so that we make better investments.

I left the little doohickey. So the subcommittee's contention is that continued funding and development of what we collectively call pedestrian facilities is an inherent obligation of the city. Here are some of the important reasons. Network, not only should we be concerned about how how automobile automobiles operate in the city, but likewise, how pedestrians, cyclists, etcetera, operate within the facility. Improved public safety, near and dear to our heart is the Nina Alvarez story and, what occurred there and the fantastic response the city made to create additional safety for utilization of those of the trails.

Support mobility for all ages. Absent pedal less, e bikes that are rip roaring through the through the hike and bike trails, we have opportunity to create ways to for the community to be mobile for, instead of everybody driving to the fourth of July fireworks and parking in the Tom Thumb And Kroger parking lots, why not create ways for them to walk to the to that event? Strengthen property values, every politician in the city, Ed, my friend my new best friend Ed, why he moved here. The hike and bike trails are a critical part of the infrastructure of the city and support economic development. Wouldn't it be neat if we were able to take the retail investments that are being made in the north of the city and connect them to city center and the old town and, be able to get to those places on foot or in a on a bike ways other than driving a car, even if we are here in Texas and everybody likes to drive their cars.

A coordinated approach between park the park board and public works assures cost effective deployment of the dollars allocated to trails and street development and strategic connectivity of pedestrian facilities. The sidewalk project that's been going on in, in Keller, there was a main initiative of city council over the last couple of years. And the contributions that have been made, new sidewalks or repaired sidewalks, opportunities to create a pedestrian, access to all different points within the city. And if we sit in our little cocoon as the park and rec board, establishing trails and don't have an integrated effort with, public works, then we may miss out on opportunities to save money, but also, move forward towards achieving connectivity. So, we wanna create and remediate in incomplete corridors, Wanna address safety risk.

The the guardrail that goes along the Bear Creek Trail that was done here in the last six months is a fantastic safety investment for the pedestrians and the users of of the Bear Creek Trail. Higher long term costs, we need to capitalize on opportunities when those opportunities avail themselves, when new developments go in, and the contributions that the city requires of those developers to create new trails. We wanna make sure that those are working in concert so that Public Works knows what parks, is doing and vice versa. There are funding opportunities through matching grants. Alonzo knows a thousand times more than the than the park board knows.

And, I know he and Cody work closely together, but there's opportunities for, grant money, contributing to these pedestrian facilities. So not to beat a dead horse, but there is a hike and bike master plan and there's a major thoroughfare plan. If we were if Felix hadn't dominated all the time in the other room, you would see that there's a a framed hike and bike master trail and a framed major thoroughfare. That major thoroughfare plan includes stipulations for what pedestrian facilities should go with certain types of, major thoroughfares. What

Wait. Next

So you see there at the bottom, the legend on the major thoroughfare plan for a eight lane divided arterial, four lane divided arterial, three lane, collector, etcetera, etcetera. There are corresponding sidewalks and and, parkways or trails that correspond to each different, type of road. So while we don't want to limit ourselves to, from a, from a park, trail plan, we don't wanna limit ourselves to major thoroughfares only. We wanna look for additional opportunities, and we have, a handful of them identified that could enable us to say instead of from Davis to the westernmost part of the sports park, we'd be better served if we could say from Milestone Park to to the western edge. But right now, you can't get to Milestone Park with a trail because of some long standing, landowner issues that, could potentially be resolved and turn Milestone Park into a park that's actually being utilized and of sitting there grow collecting grass.

Yes, ma'am. I

have a question because you in the beginning, you said about the safety of the paths or trails. A path is with the cement and trails is not. Is that how are you differentiating Yeah.

I I I used the wrong word. We're talking about paved

Okay. And the reason I'm asking this question is because where I live in Keller, I've got a green belt behind me. And then if you wanted to mooge around and go through that thing, you could then be up at one of the paved things. I don't know if it has a number like 1705 and that's how you know where it is, because I'm looking at your map and I'm kinda not seeing it. But my question about the safety is is we have a lot of coyotes. How do does that anybody look at that?

You just gotta get faster.

From that part, I understand. We've got Fox back there and so forth and so. But you know what I'm saying is

Yeah. You know, the policing the utilization of, the park assets is something that I know the reason Cody's hair is falling out and getting gray at the same time. And those things are very, very important, but they're also complex. K. I mentioned earlier that the the motorized vehicles that currently use the trails, some of those riders don't adhere to

Yeah.

Being polite, etcetera, etcetera. But policing that is a is a whole another whole another issue.

Well, the only reason is I had a shock because when babysitting the, what I call, the grand dog, I I watch out for the coyotes, plus I never knew that a fox could just stand still and just, like, have springs, whoop, and over the fence. If I hadn't seen that, I'd have said you were nuts. Generally, there's a lot of things back there.

Am I leaving anything out important here? So, this slide, just to, suggest that the one of the epiphanies to, the Park Board subcommittee is that while trails are really, really important, sidewalk connectivity to the trails can, when that is done in a thoughtful manner, can just add to the achievement of connectivity.

So so what are we looking at on this slide?

This is a blue sidewalk?

Yeah. The blue is where, sorry I must have cropped, oh the legend's very tiny. The blue is existing sidewalk and the red is where there's not sidewalk but there's a road. And this is a slightly outdated map, before this would get, assuming this gets presented to others, Alonso would provide a newer one. But the point of this slide is more so to show that if pedestrian transportation is impacted by all three of these maps, should these three maps not all be one map?

And that's sort of what we're building to is where sidewalks are may matter and where you put your trails and what that other map says where it says that next to this road there should be a 10 foot trail or an eight foot trail or or a five foot sidewalk, but yet the trail map doesn't show that same statement. So they're they're disconnected from each other, and I think this ties back well to the fees not being updated for many, many years. The the trail plan, when it was designed, was great, but Keller has evolved since then, and the trail plan has just been updated with what's transpired. It's not been updated for potentially the needs of the community now, and it's not considered these other maps that have evolved while it stayed stagnant.

Yeah. And I I don't I wouldn't say we were surprised, but we were really encouraged when we approached public works and and said, do you think we should be working together? The answer was not only yes, it was like, heck yes. That makes all all the sense in the world. So this is just continuing to summarize the tenet that, public works and, parks working together can achieve more than if we work in silos.

The, the reduction of vehicle dependency, I think with the advent of e bikes and the embrace of activity that resulted, during COVID and post COVID, being able to look at ways to, continue to advertise what's available to the community. And, they already say, it's why I moved here or it's the, it's something that I really believe in. The fact is we need to be educating the populace on how to, access it and encourage the utilization. I think this is one of the more important slides. As the community has been surveyed and is being surveyed, the number one amenity that was that comes out on top the has always been the hike and bike trails, and we would suggest the to extend that to the sidewalks and the value of connectivity and, being a pedestrian or a cyclist moving throughout the city.

So, I failed to mention at the start of this that this is, again, the address rehearsal. Our intention is and our charge was to develop a a strategy and approach city council execute on the recommendations, that are being made. It doesn't come without some complexities, and the times that we have met with public works and what they, have have to deal with, pales in comparison to what I know. It's it's a daunting, task that has multiple steps. Our intention with this slide is to suggest that we've already met a couple of times with public works.

We start to we're starting to understand what the challenges are and what the steps the right steps are to be able to execute on this. And we are obligating ourselves to regularly occurring interaction with public works so that we understand what the next development is and try to stay ahead of the

curve. May I ask a question there? So UDC was last updated when? Do you recall, Cody?

That's what Trina was working on when I first got here.

Yes, it wasn't I mean it was ten years ago.

This was in the past ten years, yes.

So the owner of UDC ultimately obviously is counsel, but from a staff perspective, does it roll up to Alonzo?

Typically through Sarah. Sarah. Yeah. But then it also it can go through fire or it can go through Alonzo and public works. Sarah probably has more of the areas that it covers and she brings periodic things for update based on council directive.

So, and I only ask this because, you know, obviously that's a governing document, right? And then is there did you get any indication that that's I mean obviously council is changing, and there's going to be some new leadership. But was there anything on tap for that to be reconsidered again? And as in its entirety or looked at basically, are they going go through another full evaluation of that?

Not to my knowledge, but again, that's not my area. So I I just could be uninformed.

Did he give you any indication of that? Just in your meetings with

The council has a summit meeting every

They'll have a strategic planning session.

Is that something that's covered in that typically?

Well, it will. The strategic planning session will be the goals of the council for the next three to five to ten years. And it that may or may not be one of their goals. That's one of the things that they'll discuss.

So is But I would say we're just talking about updating the applicable sections.

Yeah. They do it section by section, but sometimes they the last time they did like a big deal like

That was ten years ago.

Yeah. Like they had, you know, sub, they broke it down and had other people contributing to it. So I just wondered if that was on tap again. Okay. I hadn't heard about it either, but they had that study group that they had out there that was that they had and how does that play in? So that study group is that they contract they had the contract with the pedestrian.

Oh, for the ADA? They're still collecting data.

Okay, that's gonna have to do with the pedestrian Correct.

But that goes back to, that would be updating one map that's disparate from these other two maps, that if we made it all one pedestrian map, then that map that everyone leverages, the council leverages to make decisions, that the community leverages to know how to get from point a to b most safely, would be one map as opposed to three that necessarily align with each other on any given day.

Got it.

And so the ask of counsel, basically, we wouldn't go any that list of what we believe the action items are, that's us, like Jay said, helping council understand. We understand that this is pulling a thread. Like you talked about with your three legs of the stool, like, combining these maps is more than just combining these maps, and it would then require us to do several other things in order for that to not break other processes. And so the ask the whole point of this presentation is to say, if you think it's worthwhile for us to be united with, public works as we go forward with the hike and bike trail and you wanna continue to invest this money in it, then this is how we recommend we proceed. Are are you open to that, or do you just wanna hear what the next trail is that we recommend?

Do you do you want it to be coordinated with public works going forward like it accidentally was the last time? Or or do you want to just know where the next trail should be based on our recon?

Got it.

Are you guys gonna take a stab at overlaying those three maps so that we can see what one would look like? Or are we not

We we've asked for maps like that, and it ends up what's the word that when you when you try to combine the maps or you try to create only the trails and not other things you

Oh, it gets

It gets too pixelated. If you're just using the the interactive map on the city website, you can plug in sidewalks. You could you could put plug all three of those things in, but then unless you zoom in to the like street view level, if everything's got everything's color, everything's not good. It's it's too hard

to Do we have like a city map? Like, can we highlight this? Can we like print it at CVS, know, a $22 one and like take a red Sharpie, a green Sharpie, and a blue Sharpie and like old school it. I know that's like a super massive We we can under take

that but

they're not but with the point they're making is that the complexity of it and having it fully integrated and full full overlay becomes almost turns black because Right. So many colors overlaid. You'd you'd

have to You'd have to go street by street, block by block. Particularly To do that on paper with to do that on paper, mean, that's a pretty big map.

20 squares in the map? Everyone take two two?

But that's

18 by 20?

I would suggest that's really what we if people get enthusiastic about the strategy, that's the first question that you that you ask yourself. And it can able going do to then going that. Pedestrian facilities And at the same time as we are spending bajillion dollars on Elm Street and, making sure that whatever the pedestrian facilities that accompany that are strategic in nature and working towards achieving that connectivity.

I'm a 100% on board and support that. I just wanna, like, see what all those maps look like merged together.

We hope council does too, and they authorize us to explore it further. But we their original ask was, are we still giving the right amount every year? We'd say yes. If you wanna give us more, we're fine with that. And and then also, what should we do next? Next? And that's where we struggled. As we could give them the next four trails they should do, but they may not make sense for what Alonso's planned, and he's willing to adjust his schedule to match our recommendations. We're also willing to adjust our schedule based on his recommendations, but we're not technically it's not an official collaboration at this point. And so it's like, who who does get to decide?

Should we defer to them? Should they defer to us? Should we meet in the middle? And that's not an official process at this point, and we don't wanna overstep without authorization.

Yeah. When Mount Gilead was presented to counsel, I had four or five slides with, all the all the different, trail enhancement opportunities or new new development opportunities and how a whole strategy about why we chose Mount Gilead. I got about a minute and a half into that and counsel said, whatever. Which one do you choose? We think we should be more strategic than that.

I guess my question is really, like, I know I'm beating a dead horse and I apologize, but if we can't do it to a whole city map, can we take a one square mile, print it, and it would only be six colors. Right? We have three maps, what's logistic and what's Each

map has multiple colors.

Well, I'm saying, can we make a map and it would be six? So if we took one square mile, mapped that out road by road, and then you have we have three maps, correct, that we're trying to overlay. So each map, if we only made what's currently there and what the proposed is or the two factors we have. So that's six colors. If we can have one map that has anywhere from zero to six colors dependent on what we have so that we can see what, like, a one square mile rendering of what this idea is so that then, at least I'm just a visual learner, like, then we have an idea of what we're looking at to be able to pose.

Like, this is the problem this one sheeter can solve. If you can if we can all look at this, then you have all three parties coming in, counsel Alonzo, and Rex saying, this is how we validate. The idea is just really good. I wanna see it executed, I guess, is what I'm saying. And I get it's too big. So, like, how do we pare it down to have a rendering of your guys' brilliant idea? Because I think it can't not be done.

And maybe the way to do that is to visually show the before and after of the Mount Gilead happenstance that ended up being a really good thing had we been working together and be able to say, we planned that. Yeah. That might be a way to illustrate what you're saying.

It also occur it seems to me that you will get to that, what you're wanting by virtue of your continued study. Like you'll break it down into quadrants by some of your research and just your further collaboration and say, okay, okay, we think we've isolated something here and so you want to do further analysis and you'll build that by honing in on it and illustrating and when you go in and make your case, it's going to be sort of that zoomed in version and you'll have those overlays and that integrated map when you're focusing on that one piece. I mean, it is very difficult to build that enterprise level holistic piece, but I think you'll get there. And I think one of the good there's many and I loved all this and I think the great outcomes here is that we've sort of opened our hearts and minds to the definition of trail and allowed sidewalk and trail to be a connection versus trying to have this purity test on we we, you know, connectivity, right, where where if a sidewalk meets up to a trail, we're we're good. Victory.

Right.

Yeah. We're good. You know, and and and so I think that that's nice because at the at the end of the day, the old map used to be a trail map. And if it was a sidewalk, we didn't include it, you know. So so this is good stuff because that that's that that goes to your point of the way finding.

Then now, a true way finding map will get kinda where you wanna go as you start opening it up, you'll find your way next next be we we're have. To So I think you're going ultimately gonna get to there. I think you're gonna get to what Caitlin wants by by by this effort that you're doing. And you know, the this and I'd like you to maybe talk about that point seven there in this way finding. So who would own that if you're proposing that way finding piece, which I think is huge a big, big attraction piece.

Does that something when you want that as something to be developed, That's an investment, right? That's a do you see that as a is that a is that an app? Is that a electronic way finding piece or Ultimately.

I believe I believe public serve, police and fire would also have a hand in that also, and they can probably help support that. Because, in my past experience, I worked North Arlington for nine years, River Legacy Park, dirt trails everywhere, and they were all marked. So Yes. When we went out on a call, we had a vehicle would go out on the trails and we knew exactly where we were going. And so we helped develop that system, the fire department did. And police kind of piggybacked on too because they needed it also. But somewhere our police and fire can help coordinate that with us.

Yeah. So in addition to the app, it's it's signage. It's probably signage first.

Yep. Yep. But they will help coordinate that because we have a big trail, thirty thirty one miles of trails. And, you know, some of them are kinda hard for them to get to. So, yep. So they may help on that.

So we have an I don't know how formal we need, we need this, but we wanted to make sure we presented this to the Park Board first and solicit your endorsement to move forward with getting some time with city council. So that's the ask. I don't know if we need to formalize that at all.

My I'm just going to repeat that one last piece again. So just part of the ask. So you're asking for if you were distilling it down to what you're asking for, the is there any financial ask in it? Well, we've in Are you asking for any investment for the wayfinding program? Let me just ask it that simply.

Or is there any kind of investment from, are you asking counsel to dedicate? You had mentioned something earlier, I want a clarification. You said you think that the funds that we have allocated are ample or whatever that word, whatever the terminology you use, which I mean they're not that much, right? We have what we doing annually for our we're setting what do we have an annual investment of $05,000,000

We're I think it's I think it was 500,000,000 last year and $550,000,000 next year. I'd have to go back and look.

Yes. So we're somewhere in $05,000,000 ballpark, right? So but so you're saying you feel that is sufficient number to keep from an annual investment. So you're not asking for an increase there. But so I guess you know, when I'm sitting on, if I'm sitting on council, I'm saying that the distill the asks down to

It's the next slide.

Next slide? Okay.

We just want to maintain the current funding level. Is that enough? I mean, hard to say until we do rest of the project, but if that's not enough when we get to wayfinding, if we don't have enough money we can either ask for it because that may be how many years from now, we may ask for an increase that year or going forward, or if there's or if the price versus the return on investment is enough then we may not do wayfinding. The the ask is to maintain the current level while we work on some of those earlier steps. And as we get to each step and we get a number, we may change what we want for the following year or going forward.

But it's it's hard to know without doing the work because otherwise, if the ask is just what's the next trail, then Cody will do it whenever the reserve is big enough to do the section we've recommended and we have either already have the right of way or buy the right of way. And so then it'll just happen whenever there's enough money to and that could be a small section, a big section. It's hard to say. I think this strategy helps us better defend a future number.

Got it. I'd like to

create enough enthusiasm where we could fork over the money to, acquire the land that would allow us to connect Milestone Park to a trail that runs along the, 5th Fairway at Sky Sky Creek and give us connectivity between that park out act asset and the existing trail system. Things like that Mhmm. That are gonna far exceed a half million dollars, but would be worthwhile projects.

So that's one of Jay's dreams. My dream is an underpass Yep. Under 17 09. There are three possible locations, and then people could potentially go to the fireworks and go to the Christmas parade on bike or on foot, and we wouldn't have such a, like, a traffic issue, but also get to all of the businesses that are just on the other tight side of 1709, but you can't safely

But I get think the bigger picture of this is is working with public works and finding money and ways of achieving our goals. Maybe doesn't completely come out of our pocket, but we can piggyback on some other things. And that's that's what the eye opening part of this is, is that we can possibly achieve our dreams and our goals with our with our pedestrian trails connectivity by utilizing public works and trails trail money.

Good stuff. Mhmm. Yeah.

I like it. Any further questions there? Good stuff. Great work. I think that the you know, there's this you know, the other piece of this too could play into the development, the economic development piece. And you got Kroger now entertaining what they're going to do now with that piece of land and that's coming back up on they're having their meeting again. Guess. Are they are they not? Didn't they just post something about that?

The night of the storm. Kroger met with people.

They did have that at the night of the storm. So that's back on the table now. And so last time that they met, the whole thing came up again about getting under the, you know, going under 170

That is the exact location of the Middle Underpass. Yeah. And cross country team crosses 1709 and what a safe way for them to get there.

No, so those, of stuff could be collaborative effort when those things happen. I think it's great. I mean it's great and so hopefully council will bless that. The last clarifying piece because I think it's important context for, so SIP Trail current budget has been allocated or not?

What do mean that?

This fiscal has been spent?

No, no, no. We've got a I call it a fund balance. We've been accumulating for a few years. We probably have 700 to $800,000 setting aside for trails right now.

Okay. That's what I wanted to know. What do we have in the fund balance for trails at this point? Because we build it. Right. And we had in this run for October fiscal, we had another five go in. Right. And so and then for and you're putting your budget together for you start building budgets budgets for next year now, right? Correct. So and you're and when we did the five year projection, you had a $550,000,000 for next year?

It was a $50,000 increase each year.

Yes, okay. So give you a little sense of what's hanging out there, just so and you all were part of that because you saw well, may not have because you Nicole, you weren't you may not have seen that SIP, but you the rest of the team I think saw your projections for the because you gave a five year.

Yes. And I'll do that again in the next few months.

If we were if counsel, while we worked on this other stuff, wanted to make sure we continue to use that money, we do have trail recommendations if that money were enough. But remind me, like, how much did what we the trail piece we just did cost?

I wasn't ready for these questions. Altogether with the sidewalk extension, I think construction was around $350 and then it was probably another $90 for design.

So we have trails that but we would prefer to do a little bit more work in case

Yeah. We don't have we don't have anything currently designed and shovel ready. Yeah. And then, of course, the design will tell us the anticipated construction costs.

So

That's just why I wanted that one as a ballpark to know. Other sections we recommend are varying sizes. So

But the sidewalk extension was not didn't did that come out of SIP? Yes. Oh, it did? Mhmm. Okay. Alright.

Public works, if I recall correctly, they paid for the design and then the actual construction came out of the KDC.

Okay. I thought they took part of it because they were moving utility. But we took the whole thing out of KDC.

We took the actual construction. Mean, don't pay for the utility relocations. That's up to the utility provider.

But I thought there was some expense came back on us because of the but it's all out of KDC. And then the utility guys moved it. They did it. Correct. Misunderstood that. Okay, great. All right. Any other questions on that? All right. Let's move to that's a great presentation. Thank you very much. We'll move to, is there any other subcommittee reports? Anything for tonight? No, we'll move to item D, administrative. Let's move to, staff announcements, please. Who's got it? Michael?

Alright. Well, our one staff announcement is we have our spring fling next week. So it's our spring dance. So we have a 100 people signed up for the event. We have a wait list going for it right now. So if you guys wanna come out, it's gonna be Thursday night from five to seven at the senior center. We'd love to see you all there even if it's just coming out to come watch for a little bit, or just come shake some hands. So What's the theme? It is spring fling, so it could be anything spring that you would like.

So Oh, no particular dress? No particular

Nothing nothing too crazy.

Denim and diamonds?

Not this time. No. We have we have some coming up in the future, but not this one. This one was pretty low key.

And five to seven? Yes, sir. And you'll let us show up and loiter if we come in, so we can observe, say hello.

Come in and hang out for however long you'd like.

Okay. Great. Thanks. Any other questions for Mike? What date is that? Thursday, the nineteenth.

A week from today.

Thank you for sharing your facility with the mothers and sons of the community and the and and your prized gym on on a Friday to prepare for Saturday.

Yeah. No. They I I think it was a really good turnout. They had a really good time. So it was fun seeing all the the photos and everything else from that too. So it's good.

Thank you, Mike. Thank you.

I'm Luis. I'm the aquatic supervisor at TKP. So as we are going into spring, you know, the pool that becomes pretty much the highlight of TKP, and we got a couple things going on.

Now you you see, you have to you speak in acronyms, but you TKP, everybody The Keller Point. Yep. To that. Me up to Yeah.

So I work at the Keller Point. So one of our first things, our next event is our bunny expedition, which is our underwater egg hunt, formerly known as. So that is gonna be April 3, and so we're gonna have different age groups to basically we're gonna dump a bunch of eggs into the pool. Plastic eggs, some are weighted, they'll sink to the bottom, some will flow. They'll have nets. They get to just all jump in and try to get it with golden eggs to get a prize at the end. So, that'll be fun. It's $10 a participant. So, yeah. That'll be fun.

And then, we are Aquatics is gonna start doing some Earth Day stuff. So, I have an event called Community in Bloom, which essentially is kind of like, you are going to I'm gonna work with some Eagle Scouts and we're gonna kinda redo some of the flower beds. And, you know, particularly for me, I really like the environment, and I know I don't know how much y'all know about the butterfly population, but it is declining. So, I want to kinda just, like, rehabilitate and help with that. You know, I kinda follow a lot with the North Texas Prairie stuff and everything.

So, like, that's something that's kinda important to me. So just kinda getting the community involved in that, and just having our facility focus on that, particularly, we're right next to a field of flowers, trails, things like that too, so I think integrating TKP into, or the Keller Point into that is super super important. So I want to start with it, you know, with the pool and you know, have the community come out and actually kind of contribute to the facility as well. So that is a free event for the community. They can register online, but I mean, you know, Ford gets out and people start showing up, you know, it's a free event.

So and we'll be making seed bombs, helping plant, and, you know, they'll be able to take seed bombs home with them, so that way they can kinda plant with them. And, you know, we're gonna make sure it's all Texas native, grasses and wildflowers and stuff like that native to North Texas. Pardon?

What is that again?

April 18. So it yeah. It's a Saturday, and it'll be from ten to twelve.

That might be something the Keller Garden Club would be if you haven't reached out to the presidents.

Yeah. I have reached out to them. They were on vacation, so I'm kinda waiting just for them to

kinda I'll help that I'll check-in with them.

So I'm waiting for a response from them.

I also I'm sorry. Ten to twelve. So my neighborhood, I live in Marshall Ridge and the front entrance well, the entrance the North entrance on 377 is a butterfly sanctuary stopover. Something our, there's a woman in our neighborhood. Can get your contact if you want because she worked very hard on putting the native, whatever was required to put in there.

And we actually worked very, very hard to get that designation. Council, Mayor Pro Tem, myself and others were there to do the dedication for that. And so it's pretty cool because they they actually work. Actually works. I mean, they do it does attract them and they have the whole designation out there. And so if you're looking for any kind of example of something that truly works, they they have it working up there, and I can put you in contact if you'd like to get that information.

Yeah, that'd be great. Because part of my thing too also is that I have to deal with the, like plan the landscaping of the outer pool as well. And so that kinda comes in part of it too. I'd like that contact.

She's very passionate about it, which I bet you she'd love to share it.

Yeah, of course. I appreciate that. And then, I know I'm kinda getting ahead into the season, but this summer we're gonna start kind of some new things. So, Wednesday night at the Killer Point, at the outdoor pool from seven to nine, we're kinda gonna do some like after hours, and so I'm calling it family nights, because you know, summer family nights at the pool, everybody enjoys that. Just kinda like an after hours vibe, they are gonna be themed, so they're gonna have western, eighties with themed music stuff.

Trying make it really fun as possible for the community. And then those will be at a discounted price, $5 per person or $15 for a family, just to come and enjoy the outdoor pool and you know, get out of the house, so that way they can kinda escape the heat, the the, you know, the height of the heat, and then still get to enjoy the water. And so those will be every Wednesday night from 7PM to 9PM. And then July 25, we will be doing our Christmas in July. We kinda kicked it off last year, and this year I'm going to kinda full send it.

So Santa, all that stuff. So, yeah. You know, Santa will typically be there between like four to six p m, so and then it's a Saturday. Back to the family nights, it is gonna be like we're working with Kona Ice and Andy's Ice Cream to provide sweet treats for everybody too. So, yeah. That's all I got. Great.

I just wanna say love that you've come in and not just, like, had ideas, but the level of execution and the amount of time that we have seen your face is fantastic. I would also be remiss if I didn't mention with the butterfly population, the use of the pesticides and herbicides throughout the community significantly impact that. So weed abatement programs that are chemical free are going to be a major contributor contributing factor to supporting that population. Mhmm. Good for that.

Yep. Thanks.

Just a few more announcements. March, 9AM is Excramble at Bear Creek Park. If you wanna volunteer, come forward or attend. Staff didn't ask this, but in the past, we've assembled bicycles. And I know we have some sitting in there that need assembly. If anybody has a not a green thumb, but a flat thumb from hitting it with your hammer, if you wanna come and and

You do assemble them in concert with that egg scramble?

We do it beforehand so that we can

start They're prizes.

They're the prizes.

Yes. But you need them assembled before the '20? What time does the egg scandal start? It starts in stages. Right?

Yeah. The first one starts at nine. Well, the event starts at nine. I don't think the first hunt starts till I think last time we had the sensory one at 09:30 and then everything started at ten and we're in five to ten minute increments based on age group. April 6 is night hike at Overton Ridge Park, 6PM. April 11 is not a park event but it's an art event. We have the art festival in Old Town Keller on Bates Street. You're more than welcome to come

and

attend. April 25 is a sports park ribbon cutting at 9AM. Did everybody get your shirt sizes into Mia? Okay. We do have an extra large that came in if anybody wants to try it and if they want to change sizes.

Just I'm sorry. Those last two, we just run the timing again. So the the 8th Street was what again? April 11. Time

again. 10AM. That's It goes all day. All day. Yeah. And then ribbon cutting on the April 25 from nine till noon. And then further away is in May on the sixteenth, we have our family camp out. For I mean, we'll take help whenever anybody wants

to offer. We signed you up for breakfast, Tom. For what? Cooking breakfast. You make good Doughnuts.

It's easy. You make good pancakes?

The the October 1 has some competitions that we could help judge. It does the May 1 have something that

The October 1 has the Halloween decorating contest. You mean a judging for the

Well, you were asking for volunteer Yeah.

Will Jordan be back then?

She'll she will be back. Yes. Yeah. She'll be back by the ribbon cutting on the twenty fifth. I don't know the I don't know the exact date she's coming back, but

we're we're getting close. That might already happen. Speaking of that, when the don't run off when we adjourn because I have a start then, the next next Alright. I think we've reached the end of our agenda. So I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn. Second.

Motion is second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion adjourned. We will see you in April.