Diversity & Community Relations Committee - Regular Meeting

Okay, welcome to the City of Joliet Diversity and Community Relations Committee for Thursday, July 16, 2026 at 4.30 in the Executive Conference Room of City Hall. Call the roll. Councilman Clement.

Here.

Councilman Moreno.

Here.

Councilwoman Ibarra. Here. So we're going to have approval of the minutes for the May 28, 2026 committee meeting. Does anybody have any changes or edits? Nope, I'm good.

I'm good with it.

Okay, can I get a motion to approve?

Motion to approve. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Okay, the minutes approve. Citizens to be heard on agenda items. Seeing no citizens to be heard on agenda items. Going once, twice, three times. We are going to go to Bridget, who is going to explain to us the snow removal program eligibility. Thank you. Give your title.

Are you going to do that? I was just going to say.

Oh, we're going to go to CBDG first? Yeah, I was going to say. I am so sorry.

Should we do it? Well, no, we have to do it in the order, right? Okay, yeah, we do. I'll do it. I'll skip to the slide, and then we'll kind of go back. Okay. I'll explain that. So thank you guys for being here, obviously, taking the time out. You may not believe this, but we are already actively fielding calls for It is a hot topic. Everybody wants in. And so we need to start having some guidance as to how to direct people for getting on said list or eligibility. Some of the past criticisms that we have had have been that first-come, first-served does not necessarily mean that they need it. So staff has taken this into consideration and started to – I'm going to do it like this. I don't want to get this on my screen. Okay. We have kind of just as an informal around, you know, kind of questionnaire survey, we have identified five different items that we feel could be valued in a point system within the application process. So what would happen is, is somebody interested in snow removal would log on and would click the link that's posted either on the website, on the Facebook page, social media, the city website. And in the questions, they would be getting points determining based off of their answering these questions. So we had over the age of 80, we be five points. Disabled would be five points. SNAP would be the proof of low income. However, if they could show low income, we would also take that. We do have some issues. I don't want to be too cavalier with that because documentation collection can be a little tricky with that, and then now all of a sudden we have half of Joliet giving us their tax returns. That might be a little complicated. So we want to make that as simple as possible. So SNAP was kind of one that was suggested. Veterans, three points. Lives alone, three points. And we are, as staff, we are open to suggestions. However, we feel that this is at least a great place to start. So if you have any questions in here to answer.

So let's open the discussion. Go ahead.

So when they apply online, or they can probably come in person, right? Yes. Either or. What is the max points, or what are we trying to, what is the threshold we're trying to get to?

So I'm... And how many open spots are there?

That was another one. Oh, yeah.

Last year, we had it listed as 300 beneficiaries. So... I did not run the program last year, so I'm gonna speak a little outside of my expertise, but we had that 300 people, I think it was actually 330 people benefited from the program last year, but that might be because there were numerous people in the household. Last year we funded it at 37,000. This year staff recommendation is still for 37,000. That covered three snow occurrences over, I think it's three inches of snow. Anything over that would not be covered. So it's not an entire season of snow removal.

It's an event.

It's an event, yes.

Right. My thing is, we don't want to get so complicated with it, right? But we also want the dollars to go where they need to go in the right way. And if a few people sneak in, it's just the way it is. But... I mean, what if, example, my dad lives five blocks from me. He qualifies all with that, but I'm living in Joliet. Right? I mean, I could go over there and do it. I don't know how, I don't want to get this so complicated where everybody has to give their life history to get snow removal done.

Yeah, that's a great point. Not to interrupt you, but in our current application, we ask all these questions except for veteran questions. Oh, so you screen them? You screen them? So they're already screened. We were just taking first-come, first-served, but we were pretty much asking these questions anyways.

And what if I'm a veteran, but I'm also disabled? Then you would be giving points.

I get eight?

You get more priority. I just don't want to have any negative comments because my dad was a veteran. I know all kinds of veterans, and I respect the veterans. I don't want them to look at us, oh, you're only giving veterans three points. I don't want to see that either. So it's like, are we getting involved in something that we don't have to? I don't know.

That's true.

I don't know. Because my dad was a veteran, but he's not disabled. Purple heart, silver star, all that stuff. But he's in Chicago, and he just hired a guy. But he had the means to do it. He had the financial backing. I think that should be the... The tipping point, the financial means to do it or the physical ability to do it or to have a family here or not, those should be like the things that drive this. I don't know. I'm just throwing ideas out there.

Should we remove SNAP so they're not bringing us, like you said, your tax returns and then just putting up? Veterans?

Well, if you're on SNAP, the work's done already. We already know that you're low income and you need the help. So the work's done. We just need to verify that. So that, I think, is a positive. And it shows the federal government that we're doing what we need. Because that's what it's focused for. Low income, disabled, or handicapped, or mobility impaired, elderly. But I don't want to get this so complicated that You have to have an hour interview to get your sidewalk shovel. I'll drive over there.

I mean, you know what I'm saying?

Each council person has a responsibility to do the snow in our own district. I mean, I don't know if I'm hitting points or not. No, you are. You make sense.

Basically, don't overcomplicate it, but let's get it to the people that need it. And not to minimize the points, you know, give the points for this.

Because the problem we had, right, the problem we had is we had people that didn't need it that were getting it.

Yeah.

Because it was a convenience or whatever. That's what we were trying to stop. We wanted to funnel these funds to people that needed it. So that's, I think, where we've got to just keep it there. And I don't have all the answers. That's why we're all in this room, right, trying. And, again, we'll do our thing. And we'll present it to the council and let all nine of us decide.

And I would also like to point out that, and we will talk about it in a minute, but I'm not sure if you remember the last couple meetings where we talked about how there's a difference in the facility dollars and the service dollars. Yeah. And the service dollars are the ones that are, like, in very high demand. These are service dollars. Yeah. So taking $37,000 is already... They're so valuable. What's this cost? $37,000 is what we have budgeted for this year and is what we had budgeted last year. We did not spend $37,000 last year. We had some funds left over that go back into the pot. Can I ask you something while we're on it?

What if we get 15 snow events?

I know.

It could happen.

And we need to make it clear when we're talking about this program that this is for like three snow events that are over X amount of inches because that information piece is important. Otherwise, if we get 15 snow events, they're thinking that they're going to get throughout the season 15 times.

So we have enough funds for three snow events.

I remember last year the mayor was like, but it's okay if there's people that still want to do it. We'll accommodate all of you, but we really can't.

So the money that was carried over, is it still there?

Precious dollars that cannot be used for service again. So they can only go into facilities for the next season. They cannot be used for service again? They can't be used for service. So if I were in a perfect utopian world, this would be funded through a different... A DIFFERENT SOURCE. YEAH. THIS IS NOT THE BEST TYPE OF SERVICES, AND WE KIND OF SQUEEK BY ON HOW WE QUALIFY IT, RIGHT? BUT IT IS SO VALUABLE AND IS SO BELONGED TO ALL THE DISTRICTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PRIORITY, OR IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A PRIORITY. SO TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE POINT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD GET ALL 5, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 OF THOSE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. YOU COULD THEORETICALLY GET ALL OF THOSE POINTS, The people who get all of those points are the top of the list. Yeah, I like that. So you would have to have all of those. So the reason why veterans and lives alone are three points instead of five is because as staff we felt like they're a little bit different than the low income. Yeah, they are. They're a little less priority than the low income.

Mm-hmm. And then the disabled.

Yes.

Well, you're right. I mean, just because I would be on SNAP doesn't mean I can't. I could be just on SNAP and I could still go out and shovel.

Yeah, a single mom could be on SNAP for kids if she's strong or single father.

We're going to have so many applicants, though, you're going to have multiple categories.

I got a question about when we last year we had some issues with the With the contractor? Yeah, the companies.

Who vets those out, and how can we do that better this year? They're not vetted. What?

What it is is it's an RFQ. It goes out for a bid. So it's one of those procedures where we do have to have an internal bid, right? Like if we've had a bad experience with a contractor, I'm not super, super familiar, so I don't want to give you total information and say this is the law of the land. Internally, we can review past risk assessment of a contractor that has done us wrong or we've had issues with. We can take that into consideration. However, snow plowing, I don't know how many bids we received last year because I wasn't here, but I'm assuming it is, you know, there are a lot of snow plowing companies out there, so we might get some new ones that we have not worked with before, so there really is no vetting process when it comes to that. We don't say, like, you have to

I think whoever awards it, just because they're the low bidder, maybe we should not pick them or see, because what if we have the same contractor again that has low bidders?

I don't want the same one cause problems for all of us last year.

This is a, I used to plow snow in Calgary, so I know kind of the history. Every snowfall per driveway is $41.00. That's what they're making.

The current market?

Just note, it's 37,000. Three snowfalls, 300 people. It's $41 per snowfall, which is not low and it's not high. It's kind of fair. In the middle? Right. I mean, it's quick. So three snowfalls, that's just shy of 37,000. So just keep that in mind. It's 41 per driveway, three times a season.

Do you think this criteria is fair? I think so. Yeah, I'm okay.

I'm all right with it.

At least we're on point to, hey, let's get the people that need it. We're going to vet these people that need it and make sure. You know, do they need to bring a water bill and all that stuff?

And if we can communicate that as we're releasing it, that it's communicated.

I think that's why it's important. That's why I want to make sure we met soon because we're already receiving the calls. Yeah. And it would be nice to start to have a process for them. Yeah. Because they're very nervous.

Is this going to be on the phone? You're just going to call people? You can't have everybody come in.

No, no. It is a process that they do online. So there's a link. I want to say everybody applied online last year. I don't think we had any walk-ins. I might be wrong, but I don't think we had any walk-ins. If we do, I think that they were able to help them on a device in order to get into the system. So it is very automated. And IT has worked out a system so that every question can have a point value, depending on. And a lot of this is self-attestation. you know, we're not necessarily going to reply that they show us a disability placard or something. A lot of it is going to be self-attestation, but if somebody is in, you know, non-compliant and, you know, it's an issue, then we could then, you know, decide if they need to be on, you know, and we would accept their obligation in the next year.

And if I could just bring something up, Chairwoman. 300 driveways is a lot. I'm not kidding you. And you can't wait three days to do them. I mean, I did – I had a few hundred accounts, and I had some – residentials were all last. I did my businesses first.

Right.

Somebody has to be on point. 300 is a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. You can't send six people out to go do this. You're going to be – I mean, you've got to get it within – And they're all spread out. Within a day and a half, a day. I mean, you – That's probably our number one thing on top of getting our applicants. We need somebody on point that has the equipment, the insurance, and all the means to do this. Because it's a lot. 300. And you're there a good 15 minutes per person. per stop, plus you're driving. I mean, it's a lot of work.

I need to definitely make a note for whoever, when the RFQ goes out.

No, we got to, oh, is it RFQ, or how do we do one of those?

I'm sorry, I should be better versed in this, but I've been a little bit preoccupied with the accident.

Let's figure out what the...

It's a bidding process that we go through that we send out, but I'm not entirely sure... The clerk probably does that, right? Yeah, we follow the city's procurement policy. So whatever the procurement policy of the city says, we follow. So I just, I'm not, I've been here long, I'd be strictly familiar.

We're probably going to have to get with Todd, Lindsay... And let's see so we do it right and make sure. And Lauren, too, she knows all the bid stuff.

Yeah.

And Beth and whoever we have to get to, and let's make sure we get it right and let's get the contractor, whoever it is. Preferably somebody in Joliet, Will County area. Yes.

We had multiples. This program was run last year through Neighborhood Services because it was right as my predecessor left. She left when all the snow started. So Neighborhood Services ran it. Joe is here and always willing to help. So I have no problem finding out who we used last year, what the policy, how much. I think we had... For some reason, the number six or seven is, I know, as I said it, six or seven contractors I want to say we had that we hired last year.

Could we, just throwing it out there, Chairwoman, could we not split it? 300 is a lot and you can ask anybody you got any of you guys know they have landscaping companies that you know ask them 300 driveways 41 a pop or maybe you don't want to say that because we yeah we're going to tell them this is all we're giving you yeah right that'll be yeah yeah we we only have 37 yeah so they're going to know the number so we're good there ask any people you know that do landscaping 300 driveways on a snowfall Big deal? They're going to be like, yep. So we might have to split it because we can't. Government's good at screwing things up, right, all the time. We can't screw this up. We can't have a contractor not show up and we're making promises and then it doesn't happen. So I don't know. We may want to think about that. If somebody can handle it, great. But if not, we might have to hire two or three.

We will have to go through the procurement policy and see what has... I know that we followed the procurement policy last year, but we had this. Maybe there's some extra criteria we can add in. I can update the committee as we move forward with it.

And let me tell you how it works, too. When we have all of our people that are going to get the services, it is so much better. Here's the city. Let this company take this side of town. That's how it was done last year. You can't be bouncing around a new Lenox, which we're not. I had them all over. And you have to do it in sections. And maybe we need four contractors. I don't know.

I think last year we had at least six contractors that we did, and we broke it up into zones. So it was like these neighborhoods, these neighborhoods, these neighborhoods. And when said contractor did not show up, I want to say they took one of the contractors that had done exemplary work and moved that into that other area.

Yeah. Okay. That's good. All right. Good meeting.

If everybody agrees on this, can I get a motion to approve? Motion.

Yeah, I'll second it.

Okay. All in favor? Aye. So that's going up to the full council. And next, we're getting new or old business, not for final action or recommendation. And Bridget will be giving us a CBDG update for... Program year 2026. Thank you.

Great job, Bridget, by the way.

Great job. Thank you.

So, Councilman Moreno was not here the last one, so I definitely want to, I feel like this gives me, not to call out, I feel like this gives me another opportunity to not only re-explain myself, but to maybe put the committee at ease a little bit and give a little bit more information that was not given at the last meeting. So this is going to be on the agenda for the city council meeting on the 21st. If it is not on the city council agenda on the 21st, we will not receive funding.

Well, today's the day. It had to be, it has to be.

Yes.

Yeah.

Is it on there? Did anybody look at it? Did it come out?

No, it's tomorrow, Thursday. I mean Friday. Yeah, it's in. No, no, no.

Well, it could come out tomorrow too, but usually Thursday is the day.

No, it's around Friday. It's on there?

Okay.

Okay. Yeah, the city clerk indicated that, you know, it should be on there. Vacations have plagued us. July is the month. So I just want the committee to know that, that it is coming up, and that I did not feel the best after the last meeting because I didn't feel that the whole confidence is in this program. And I don't take that personal, but I want everybody to have an understanding and realize that, Some of these details that were not made public in the last meeting, I would like to kind of just briefly go over them because I'm not trying to keep anybody here for a million years. All right.

Good.

So first off, the evaluation criteria. This is the update to the plan. I simplified this a little bit, because there's more information that we take into consideration. But the consolidated plan is one of the number one things that we do in order to evaluate. We have a five-year plan, and it says, and that was approved by the city council, that said we are going to use this, this, this, and this as our fund. So we have to use that model, right? We can't go off of that. And that model includes health and safety as a number one, accessibility, and infrastructure. Readiness to proceed, I want to stress that a little bit because we have to use our dollars within the 12-month period. So if I am looking at an application and they say I need a new roof, but they also are doing tons of other improvements and it's not shovel ready and we know that it's not going to be able to be done within the 12-month period, that right there is going to deduct some points.

Or if they're not up and running yet.

If they're not up and running, anything that will delay it. And when I say 12 months, I feel like that's very generous because we get our funding in October, and we have to have it by the end of September. But facilities repairs only really start in March, April, May because they're outside, it's construction work. Organizational capacity, this is the one where I just don't feel like I have explained myself very well. I want to say that this is not anything that is maybe negative for an organization, but it's really the ability to track their demographics, process their invoices, and implement Illinois prevailing wage. Like you would be shocked at how many non-profits out there Okay, no, I've got a friend who's going to put up this fence that we want to do for this player. You can't do that. You have to be paying, you know, Davis-Bacon wages, Illinois-Provincial wage, and organizational capacity is one of the things that we grade on the application, along with, I would argue that this is the most important, is budget and procurement feasibility. I was explaining earlier that When we give an organization $25,000, I have to see that they have $25,000 available in their account. This is a reimbursement program. So typically, if you were to give me an invoice, it's going to take a minimum if I process it right then and there. 45 days.

So it has to be paid up front by you. You have to cover it, and then it's a reimbursement process.

I didn't know that.

And a lot of organizations don't have the ability to do that. Sorry, now I'm speaking.

No, no, no, it's fine. And I also would like to stress that this last year we did some capacity building. The number one complaint I've had from the smaller organizations that we gave dollars to where's my money where's my money and like they're coming here knocking on the door i need this i might have to shut my business down you know because they're not able to pay the rent on their thing is that on the original app does it explain that or do we have to add that so they understand you need the funding yes so we ask them for their um we don't ask for like their bank records but we ask them for a um financial statement sheet of the organization So we're able to see at that point when an organization applies how much they have liquidated in money, how much they use on grants, how much is self-vested. We're able to get details of where they are financially, and we review that. And if we see that they're running on a, you know, in their head every month, I know that they're not going to be able to take $3,000 out of their budget in order to do something, right? I mean...

Do they know this, though? Like, do we explain that to them in the beginning process? So they're not getting their hopes up. I applied. I'm looking for 25,000 to do this project. I gave you all the info, but no one explains them. It's like the same thing in a guy trying to rebuild his garage, but nobody downstairs calls them to tell them you need a variance. They wait six months to go by. The guy's ready to lose his mind. Communication, I think that's, and I'm not saying you, the people before, if people know what the playing field is, we're not moving the goalposts, They'll be happy. They'll be fine.

I couldn't agree with you anymore. The problem that currently I have with the communication and my ability to reach nonprofits at this given point in time is that the structure of CDBG here in Joliet has changed. We used to do where it was like one or two big projects, and then... the next year we do one or two big projects. And then now we're managing to where, and I would argue, and I think this committee would argue as well, it's much more meaningful when you're able to hand these dollars out to nonprofits and in the area, right? But with that comes a lot of monitoring and a lot of data collection and a lot of project management, right? Along the way, I have to make sure, do they have good demographics? Are they on time? I got to check all their invoices, all of that. So the project management comes along is a lot, and currently, as I said earlier, when I was at the county, I would manage three to five programs. I'm managing 40 this year. So it is absolutely maxed out, right? We were one. Yes. So this is one of those things where I would love to be out into the field more. However, we're going to have to be a little bit more strategic with that, which will come with an idea that I throw out at the end. So just kind of put a little button in there. But, yes, that is absolutely something we need. We need to have more communication and more connection and more networking with our nonprofits so that they understand that, That we're here to help them. We can't fix their problems, right? Like I can't go and fix their code violations and do all that. I'm here as a resource. And we may not be a CDBG. They may not ever be able to get CDBG dollars, but I'm here to point them in the right direction. So that's kind of the direction we're going in. But that goes to budget and procurement feasibility, it being a reimbursement program. Challenges that we had this year. I'm going to be really brief with this because I feel like you guys have got this under control, but the first one is national objective compliance intake processes. A lot of the people that applied this year did not have intake procedures in place. They're just helping people because people are walking in the door. They're not collecting the data, and they don't know if they're helping low-income people. Are they most likely absolutely... Probably.

But if you're not documenting...

If you're not documenting, it doesn't exist. Right, right.

That's so true.

So when they're coming with an application and they're not documenting, they don't currently know how many low-income people they're serving, it almost comes to a point where they have to change their program model because they might actually be helping over that threshold, and they might not have to tell people that they can't participate in the program or whatever. So that's an issue that was... a lot this year. The next one is something we have less control over, which is the flood zones. I'm not sure how familiar you are with downtown Joliet, but virtually almost all of it is in a flood zone. In order to still qualify, With the regulation, with HUD's regulations, not only do you have to have an increased insurance policy, it's called the National Flood Insurance Program, you have to pay more for that, but then you also, depending on how much money is invested in the value of the building, You might actually have to get mitigated, which means we're putting your business on stilts. That's the easiest way to describe that. We have to bring your building above floodplain elevation. That is not feasible for houses, mostly, or buildings, commercial buildings. So that is something that we struggle with here, and that knocked out quite a few people. And at that point, I'm having a conversation with them. Have you thought about... relocating or are you in a lease? What are your options? So at least they're notified. Most of them don't even know that they're on a foot plane. Owning the property, we cannot fix properties that are not owned by them. So they can do a rental, they can be in a rental, but we have to show that they either are in like maybe a rent-to-own situation with the building or they're in a contract to own it eventually, or they have ownership rights or maintenance rights of the building, and that is very few and far between. I already talked about prevailing wage and Davis-Bacon requirements. And then the reimbursement, the 45 days to cover the project costs. So those were the main obstacles we had this year. And I can give you even more specifics through email if you'd like. No, good. Again, increase in demand. We had over twice in all the categories of what we had in previous years. I wanted to give you an update about the owner-occupied rehab. We are currently trying to find and work with a sub-recipient that can manage this program for us, because it is a very, you know, we need inspectors, we need walkthroughs regularly, and estimates done for all the properties, and the application process. So we're currently in that stage with some recipients that are interested in that workload.

And those dollars come from the administration fees?

These dollars, so we would have the 170, you know, the two years worth, $340, would be straight-up facility dollars. And out of those facility dollars, the subrecipient is going to require anywhere between, previously it's been around 10% of that. So they'd be getting 10% to administer the program for us. And then, of course, Miracle Week, we are moving forward with that. I don't really have much in that update with that, so... And then, obviously, we already talked about snow. And then this is this year's sub-recipients, the staff recommendations that will be going to the city council meeting on the 21st. So really, that's all my updates. If you have any questions about any of the sub-recipients, I'm more than happy to talk about that. Otherwise, that's the conclusion of our update.

Great program. I just don't think a lot of the non-for-profit understand how strict the federal dollars are, and very strict. And I think the communication end, if they know what it is when they're going into it, and they're not going to move their organization for $10,000 grant. But I think if they understand what's going on, Chairwoman, I think they'll be okay.

I agree. In the end, it might be a case that they just will never qualify. That might just be the case.

I mean, we're all here to help. We all have compassion. Yeah, definitely.

And these are great organizations that are helping the community.

I forgot to mention, it's not in the slideshow, but I think we're going to try and move forward with doing some sort of non-profit academy. We have found that the capacity billing dollars have not been successful for a number of reasons I've already talked about. And how much is that? So we use administrative dollars. So, like, for example, this year we got $924,000. We get 20% of that, and we get to use it as admin dollars. What we usually do is use that money, a small portion of it, to pay for... all the stuff that we need to administer, you know, public notices, all that. Whatever's left over, we usually roll it over into the next year and add it into the facilities portion, and then we have more than our allocation amount. What we were thinking about doing with this, what we did last year with capacity building is we used some of those dollars and we gave them out to people hoping that they would use them to better their situation and circumstances in order to qualify for CDBG. But what we have found is that a lot of the organizations aren't able to even really find things. Like they already have their attorney has already drafted this. So we have been working with them, and it's been a very big struggle. And they, a lot of times, don't have the money to spend to then wait for the reimbursement. That's been the biggest complaint. But I think a solution to that, and I will come back later with more information. I just wanted to mention that on the horizon, we're hoping to do some sort of nonprofit academy. where we can get nonprofits to work together and even consolidate resources, learn about how their finances should look, learn about the floodplain issues, learn about all these, not only CDBG, it has to be funded, it has to be focused on CDBG because it's funded by CDBG, but we want to make it very holistic so you could say the state of Illinois or city or county, you know, they would, mental health board, like it would help at any sort of other application process.

I LOVE THAT IDEA. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

GOOD JOB, THANK YOU. YEAH, AMAZING JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMUNICATION IS EVERYTHING, AND THIS WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL.

SO BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE LIKE, I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE NONPROFITS HELPING OTHER NONPROFITS IN A SENSE, RIGHT? I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS ONES IN JOLIET, LIKE,

and other other non-profits are you know they want to provide a serve no service they can go to them to get help yeah so we would want to focus it more as a consultant coming in and doing like hey we know you're a non-profit because i think and i've expressed this before and i i think the committee would agree with me on this. If the city of Joliet, if it were me to get out there and tell them what they need to start doing, I think it could be perceived as preferential treatment and then somebody else. We don't want to do that. We just want them to have knowledge of what a nonprofit needs to look like to be taken serious because I mean I'll tell you there are a lot of great intentions this application cycle not a lot of implementation we all have great ideas but to get things done is very different so we want to bring somebody in that can say I see what you're doing you're inspired but let's put the boots to the ground and let's put that on paper is kind of the goal

Very good, yeah. Anything else? Can we get a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn. I'll second it.

Thank you. Great job.