City Council Meeting - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone and welcome to the August 3rd 530 pre-council meeting for the City of Joliet here in Council Chambers the Honorable Mayor Terry Darcy presiding.

We'll begin with roll call. Mayor Darcy? Here. Council McCartaness? Here. Councilman Clement? Here. Councilman Hugg is absent. He did let me know he would not be in attendance this evening. Councilwoman Ibarra? Here. Councilman Marino?

Here.

Councilman Mudren? Here. Councilman Coleman?

Here.

Councilman burden here and city manager Beth baby did let us know she would not be here this evening and First we have a presentation for the alternative water source program update presented by Allison Swisher director of public utilities. I

Good evening, Mayor and Council. So it's been about a year since we've provided an update on the Alternative Water Source Program, and there's been a lot of activities happening over the last year. So I'm just going to present an update on that. I just want to point out we have two of our consultants, Joe Johnson and Teresa Grady, here tonight also. So we'll have some time at the end if there's any questions. Tonight, as we always start these projects, I'm going to give the background of why we are completing this very important project. Then I'm going to talk about the two different components of the program. The first is the improvements being completed by the Grand Prairie Water Commission, of which Joliet is a member. Then I'm going to switch and talk about the improvements that Joliet is doing to receive the new Lake Michigan water source. Lastly, I'm going to introduce the Stantec Amendment No. 5, so that is the amendment that we, um, plan every two years to authorize, um, for the engineers to continue with the work on the program. Okay. So we've all seen this slide many times, but we are in need of switching water sources because our current water source, which is the deep aquifer is being depleted. And we had modeling done completed by the Illinois, um, state water survey, which showed that we would not be able to meet our demands by 2030. So with that information, we. embarked on a multi phase alternative water source evaluation, looking at all possible alternatives and, um, ended up selecting, uh, purchasing treated water from the city of Chicago as the most reliable and sustainable solution. Um, after that was selected, we did reach out to other communities in the area as this is not just a Joliet issue, but also an issue for many communities in the region. The Grand Prairie Water Commission was formed, which consists of Shanahan, Crest Hill, Joliet, Minooka, Romeoville, and Shorewood. And so together those communities formed the Grand Prairie Water Commission, which will provide water to over 250,000 people.

Okay, so quick overview of the Alternative Water Source Program.

So this is a very large infrastructure project. It covers four counties, 14 different communities, and many right-of-way agencies. We're constructing pumping stations, water storage facilities, and over 60 miles of large diameter transmission main ranging from 66 inch diameter down to 20 inch diameter. Our program budget is $1.446 billion. As I said, the project schedule is very important for this program. We are now in the construction phase of the project and over the next, really three and a half years, we're going to be constructing 26 construction work packages, various different projects to complete the overall program so that we can have water provided to our communities by 2030. I mentioned our budget before. I'm not going to go into detail on this slide, but I think the thing I want to highlight is that we have re-baselined this budget four times and are in the process right now of budget 4.0. and we have not modified that budget. So that is good news that over the past four years of looking at this, we've not had to increase that budget. Our funding strategy consists of federal low interest loans and revenue bonds. One thing that we have been evaluating now is that there has not been availability of low-interest loans from the state. So we are looking, and this is something that Kevin Singh and the finance directors are talking about, is a new funding strategy given the lack of available funding from the state. Oh, one thing I did want to go back really quick. You know, we have, you know, in our... funding strategy, we've identified about $10 million in grants that we've put in that strategy. And to date we've received 8.35 million. So that is also good news that we are meeting and likely will exceed the amounts that we've anticipated in grant funding. So again, our accomplishments, and I said, there's been many, I won't read through everything on this slide, but we have awarded four contracts. and all of those have come in below the budgeted amount. So that's some more good news to pass on. We also, with our funding strategy, have been successfully closing on not only our federal low interest loan WIFIA, which is 610 million, but also in the sale of revenue bonds. So the financial market sees the commission as a very viable entity that is worthy of receiving this funding. Again, people never really thought this project would happen, and we have evidence that it is happening. These construction projects are work that's been going on in Chicago at the site of where the Chicago water system tunnel is being extended. And then this year, more locally, we've started with our first water delivery structures. So these structures are being constructed. Right now the first contract is in Minooka, Shanahan, and soon we'll see that work being done in Joliet. So looking ahead, we are transitioning from engineering to construction. And a lot of the heavy lift on the acquisition of land. So that's a lot of the focus that we have over the next year. And this kind of just shows you, we have 19 contracts at over $1 billion that will be going out to bid in the next year. And that just shows you the amount of investment that'll be happening as we switch from design into construction. Our outreach activities are very important. We've always emphasized the need for transparency on such a large project. We have monthly social media posts. We have a quarterly newsletter, an annual report, and then our website, which has a lot of documentation on the program. And just recently this year, we've developed a web-based construction map. And this is very similar to the way that Joliet informs residents about our construction projects. It's an interactive map with weekly updates. So you can go into the website, click on one of the projects, and it'll tell you what phase it's in. And if it's under construction, it'll provide those weekly updates. All right, so switching to the Joliet improvements. So these are the improvements that Joliet is paying for in order to modify our system so that we can receive Lake Michigan water. This program budget for this work is about 192 million and consists of water distribution improvements, pumping station improvements, additional water storage, and other modifications to our system. And so for this program, again, with putting all of our funding in place, we did this past year close on about $87 million in WIFIA, that's the federal low interest program, and also revenue bonds that was both done in December. And these are just some pictures showing the work being done. This is our distribution system improvements that were happening out at Plainfield South, and then also on Morgan Street. So that work on Morgan Street is ongoing. Looking ahead, we do have, um, three additional projects that we will be bringing to the council for approval. Um, this year, these are again, more water storage tanks, um, out at the black and county line, um, site. And, um, these, these total about $60 million worth of improvements that we'll be bringing to the council for approval over the next year. So upcoming actions, August 18th, again, I'll be introducing the Stantec Amendment Number 5 here in a minute, and then two of those construction contracts this fall we'll be looking to award. So as I mentioned when we started, we have been working with Stantec. They've been part of the program team since this project began back in 2018. Um, each, uh, about every two years we amend their contract to add additional engineering, um, for the next two year period. And so this is, uh, just part of that plant, um, approach to funding the engineering for the program. And as a reminder, um, Joliet is the program manager. So we contract for the engineering and then we get credited for that by the water commission for the portion that's related to the water commission system. So this amendment totals about $35 million, and it includes program management, office engineering services that take place during construction, construction management, and it's split up between the commission and Joliet. So there's about $31 million that'll be applied for the commission work, and about $4 million that will be work done for Joliet. so tonight we're here just presenting um the update um we'll be presenting this on thursday to the grand prairie water commission board of commissioners just so that they're aware of you know joliet's plan to present this for approval on august 18th so at the next meeting the amendment will be on the agenda for approval okay and that was just a very high level overview of the program and myself or theresa and joe are available for any questions you might have

Are we still looking at 2030 for targeted? I mean, is it still realistically?

Yes. So part of our re-baselining is looking at the schedule in addition to the budget. And so they just went through a very in-depth review of the schedule. And it's looking like the fall of 2030 is when we will have the project ready for switching the water source.

Thanks.

Received a lot of compliments about your work Allison so like you should know that publicly Okay next to citizens to be heard on agenda items I do have a couple people signed up Kathy Spieler

Good evening, everyone. It's so nice to see you all. It's been too long. I'm here tonight about agenda item 401-26. Kathy Spiller from the Reedwood Neighbors Group. I'm the co-chair along with Gianna Barone. Um, we are in favor of this. We've brought it up at our meetings several times and, um, neighbors have been very positive towards it. Uh, we have our meetings at the center. Um, they've been very gracious to us. Um, I think it'll be an asset to our neighborhood. Uh, for many years, the home's yard was neglected. I recall that during the pandemic we held one of our meetings outside the center and the grass and weeds were a good foot high and matter of fact current chief Brown was there and Joe Clement and We did report it and of course the city took care of it right away, but we think this will be an asset We'd like to support mr. Patel. I have a few letters from neighbors That they wrote in support of it as well this one is from Margie core to the members of the City Council I would like to state my support for the request for zoning of the property by the UCP Center in the Reedwood neighborhood ever since the closing of the elementary school UCP has been a valued part of Joliet in our neighborhood I believe the use of the property to continue the good work of UCP is worthy of your support thank you then from sherry brown approving this zoning change would let us turn alarm neglected previously squatted in home into a safe productive office space for ucp instead of remaining a problem property it can become a place where they can better organize services support families and strengthen our neighborhood this is a chance to replace blight with purpose and create a space that truly serves our community this is from peggy johnson as a resident neighbor in the reedwood area i am writing to express my strong support for mr patel's acquisition of the property next door for office space this project will be a positive addition to our neighborhood and will benefit all of us the new center is a welcome improvement Thank you for your consideration. I respectfully ask that you vote in favor of this proposal. And lastly, I'm a Reedwood resident and I was really excited when I heard UCP was buying the vacant house right next door. That place had been empty for a few years and I think squatters were even staying there. Brian Patel has already done so much good for our community He upgraded the center and we're all thrilled to have it in the neighborhood. I'm just really grateful He's taking this next step to clean things up make the area safer and make our neighborhood better overall Please vote. Yes, Gianna Barone So just showing our support, so thank you very much everyone And I would like to say I get a lot of compliments from the mayor about that drone show downtown. So I wanted to give you that. And we support our police department. We just love them. They come to our meetings. They're so helpful. And we're really grateful for them. So thank you. Have a good night.

Boise Walker.

Good evening, I am Boise Walker and I am up here for agenda item 40526. I am the chair for the Black Joy Parade, Mayor Darcy and City Council. I'm here to share a little bit information about the parade, its history, and where we are today. The Black Pride Parade Incorporated was established in 1987 by the late Dave L. Evans and Frank Stewart to promote the positive aspects of the black community. And for 24 years, Black Pride Incorporated sponsored parades, recognition banquets, essays, youth activities, and gospel concerts. Dave L. Evans passed away in 2009, and Frank Stewart passed away in 2012. And to honor the founders of the Black Pride Parade, celebrations continued after their death. Spearheaded by Unity CDC, the 25th annual African American Heritage Parade was held September 22nd, 2013, and was led by organizers Mack Willis, Betty Gavin, John King, and Ardell Evans, with the theme Building Our Future with a Spirit of Selfless Pride. For 13 years, there hasn't been a parade in the black community. However, on August 22nd, 2025, I presented the idea to relaunch the parade for the black community to Betsy Thatcher, Minister Mary White, Sarah Brodnitz, and Jewel Houston. And the idea was unanimously accepted. In 2025, the East and Southeast Regional Alliance picked up the mantle and started planning the Black Joy Parade. With the support of Mayor Darcy, the City of Joliet and City Center Partnership started collaborating with the East and Southeast Regional Alliance to host the Black Joy Parade, Joliet, and City Square celebration on August 29th. Our parade committee members consist of me, Boise Walker, as the chair, And then our Registration Committee Chair is Pat Mead. Our Sponsorship Committee Co-Chairs are Garland Mays and Veronica Robertson. Our Logistics Committee is Officer D.J. Green. Our Volunteer Committee Chair is Capricia Neals. Our Publicity Committee Chair is Anthony Harding. And our City Square Celebration Committee Chair is Charlene Boyd. This is a celebration of joy, resilience, rich history, and lasting contributions to the black residents throughout Joliet's 174 year history. We're bringing back this tradition that honors legacy of those who came before us while inspiring future generations. Our presenting sponsors are Hollywood Casino, our excellent sponsor is Darcy Motors, our heritage sponsors are Newmark Credit Union, and the Illinois Nurses Association. Thank you for your time and I invite all of you to come out and celebrate joy with us.

Is there anyone else who would like to speak under citizens on agenda items this evening?

Excuse me, Mayor. I have a request. I was asked to speak on behalf of the President Michelle Burke for the cathedral area. Do you want me down there or stay up here?

You can do it up here.

Okay. Okay. So I am sorry that Kathleen left because she wouldn't understand this. Anyway, back in the day, 20 years ago, the cathedral area became Powerful place because all the single-family homes were cut up into either businesses or apartments today after 30 years of Diligence of the neighbors moving in down zoning everything making them single-family again It's a beautiful beautiful entryway into city downtown and we want to see it all over So whenever something comes up where somebody wants to take a single-family home and turn it into a business. We're usually down here Asking for different things So when I found out about this piece today, we're not against the UCP. They do wonderful projects. In fact, every year I'm there hawking money for them on TV. But that's part of the thing. So what is here is precedent to buy a single family house to turn it into a RB business. So this is why I was running around earlier this afternoon talking to everybody here, the attorney and you, sir, and the mayor, about is there any way that since it's next door to your property, could we annex it into your piece so it would be one pin number and not a business and then a single family, which would now be a business. So once that is set, then we go back to other places. Well, you did it over there in the Reedwood neighborhood. You don't do it in the Cathedral area. And so far, it's just been so far because today, Western Avenue, if you ever go down there, If we hadn't fought so hard 25 years ago, you would have had a bed and breakfast down there, but also an insurance agency, you would have had a car dealer, not dealer, but a repair place, and a beauty parlor, and once that goes, then apartment buildings go, and then the kids move in, and everything just goes. just goes down so all we're trying to do is keep our neighborhoods intact not that we have anything against businesses but this to me came to the last minute why could we not just work something out so that everybody's happy it's a single-family plot and the attorneys working on that we're gonna see what we can do so and that's far as the Cathedral area goes I mean they couldn't be down here because it was last minute But they have nothing against UCP totally totally in favor of it It was just a piece of property and the zoning issue so if we can get that taken care of Did you call try to get a plan of consolidation? a lot of consolidation and we'll look at it and If we could go with that, then it's a win-win not only for the Reedwood and CUCP and Cathedral, but really for all of Joliet. So that's what we're trying to do, just help everybody. But we don't want to see our private neighborhoods chopped up again. We worked too hard to get it where it is today. So that ends my four minutes. And that Michelle Batberg, she's the president of the Cathedral area.

Is there anyone else who would like to speak on an agenda item this evening? Okay seeing none Next we will review tomorrow night's actionable items There will be appointments an appointment to the Zoning Board of Appeals and a reappointment to the Zoning Board of Appeals We will have committee reports from public assets public safety and public service and On the consent agenda, we will have approval of minutes and the invoices to be paid report. Council memo number 386-26, award of contract for the 2026-2027 Joliet Fire Department medical and fitness evaluations, RFP to Rock Valley Health for $290,376. Council memo number 387-26, award of professional services agreement for the Minton Road lift station replacement construction engineering services to V3 Companies Incorporated in the amount of $49,950. council number 388-26 approval of change order number two for the 2025 sanitary sewer cleaning and inspection program to pipe view america in the amount of ninety one thousand seven hundred dollars and amendment number one for the professional services agreement for the 2025 sanitary cleaning and television program to rjn group incorporated for the not to exceed amount of twenty four thousand seven hundred dollars Councilman number 389 dash 26 a word of contract for the 2026 Hickory Spring Creek cleaning project could Greg to Greg W Dab sick excavating in the amount of one hundred thirty nine thousand nine hundred dollars Councilman number 390 dash 26 approved the purchase of caterpillar generator for Public Works Cedarwood facility to L tour for power systems and the amount of one hundred sixty three thousand three hundred seventy nine dollars and eighty four cents and Council memo number 391-26, award contract 2990-0726 for City of Joliet facilities, grounds, maintenance, 2026 through 2029 to Duke's Landscape Services in the amount of $879,996. That is the consent agenda. Under licenses and permit applications, we have Councilmember number 393-26, issuance of Class B liquor license at 16336 Boulevard Place, BJ's Restaurant and Brewhouse. Councilmember number 394-26, issuance of Class E liquor license at 16301 South Boulevard Place, Angelita's Mexican Bar and Cuisine. Council memo number 395-26, issuance of class E liquor license at 1866 West Jefferson Street, Tacos LTO number 11. We will have a public hearing tomorrow. Council memo number 397-26, public hearing for the creation of the Rock Run Collection Business District. And then under ordinances, council memo number 399-26, ordinance approving a business district plan for the Rock Run Collection business district and establishing the Rock Run Collection business district, making a blighted area finding within the business district and imposing a business district retailer's occupation tax, a business district service occupation tax, and a business district hotel operator's occupation tax within such business district in the city of Joliet, Will and Kendall Counties, Illinois. councilman number 400 dash 26 ordinance declaring certain structures public nuisances councilman number four zero one dash 26 ordinance approving a variation of use to allow administrative offices and RB residential restricted business use within an existing residential structure in the r2 signal single-family residential zoning district located at 317 South Reed Street ZBA 2026 dash 29

I'm sorry. So are you first?

We'll flip a coin. You can go ahead. Go ahead. You go first. OK. Lauren, can we go back to the public nuisance real quick? Sure. All right. This is Dustin. I know if you go on exhibit A, the address is 962. I know it says the structures are one story, wood frame, single family residence located in the rear of the property. If you go on your Google Maps, that one, it shows up as it has another property in the front. Now, if it is on the same lot, Is that basically two houses on one lot? Just to make sure.

There are two structures on that lot. The structure in question is the rear structure, the single family structure, that was being used illegally as a residence and is in desperate condition. The single family structure, the home, is not considered for demolition.

So how does that, yeah, it looks like a house, like a shack or something. It's a, yes. Okay, I understand. So I'm just kind of.

So basically we're not scraping off the whole lot. We're just scraping off that one offensive structure, potentially. We're asking your permission to potentially do that. By voting this evening, you're not authorizing us to do that. There's still steps we have to do, but this is a step in that process.

OK, sounds good. Thank you. Appreciate that. I know I spoke to the mayor a little bit. I had some questions in regards to all the public nuisance properties. I know we got a demo. We got to get legal fees. We try to get our money back, well, the residents' money back. And whenever that happens, once everything is said and done, whenever that happens, obviously not going to be tomorrow. But so that we can recruit those taxpayer dollars to go back into the, you know what I mean? Ideally, yeah. Okay. Those are my comments. Thank you.

Can legal explain or whoever wants to explain $399.26, the establishing a blighted area within the business district? Can somebody explain why we're doing that?

I'll take that one so that is the business district for Rock Run collection so part of the business district statute requires certain findings SB Friedman did their study and that was one of the key parts that with that but for the district that it would be blighted if I'm not mistaken okay thank you it's not currently blighted okay because I was looking at it nothing looks blighted to me thank you mayor thank you Kevin thank you

Moving on to resolutions Council memo number 403 dash 26 resolution authorizing a lease extension agreement for the snack bar at Gateway Transportation Center 90 East Jefferson Street with GG Suites LLC Council memo number 404 dash 26 resolution declaring certain city of Joliet property as surplus Council memo number 405 dash 26 resolution requesting the closure of route 6 and 30 for the 2026 blackjoy parade route and

Council member number four zero six dash 26 resolution requesting the closure of state route 171 for the 2026 Mexican Independence Day parade Those are the resolutions can we go back to 401 26 and talk a little bit about what what Jan was talking about regarding the consolidation of zoning the cause and effect of that and And that would not set precedent. And we all know that we want UCP to move forward with this. I'm just asking, what would be the difference for the city if we were to go back and do a consolidated zoning

For this parcel, if you did not want to grant a discretionary variation of use, and every variation of use has to come to council, by allowing this, it wouldn't allow anything else to happen by right. But if you chose not to do that but still wanted to see this project happen, another alternative path forward would be to go through the subdivision process with the two parcels and then create a planned unit development that would allow two structures on one parcel. Just off the top of my head. That's the really the most straightforward alternative to allow This particular use in this particular structure without granting a variation of use When you factor in legal notices Survey work the calendar you're looking at at least four months and

i have a question though dustin why would we have to go through all of that it's already restricted business use and it says they're purchasing a home just to annex say an annexation into their property why is that so complicated i would think that there has to be some other way to do this so that it's legal but you know

So when we say annexation, I just want to be clear, because people hear annexation, they think something from outside the city is joining the city. All these parcels are within the city. So there's really not an annexation happening. It's a consolidation. And a consolidation of two parcels has to go through the subdivision process, which is governed by ordinances, laws that the council has adopted. That's why we have to do it that way, because council as a body said this is the way we want to do it. And the reason why one may choose to consider granting a variation of use is it allows the governing body to opt out of those rules that they have established to make it go faster.

So if we go down that route, you're setting precedent again for any neighborhood. Plainfield, quiet neighborhood. I want to put a beauty parlor in my front yard, and I'm going to do it in my garage because you already granted somebody else. Single family home, and I got a business. And this is what we fought for so long. Just to give you an example.

If that was the case, if someone did want a beauty parlor in their garage, they would have to come before this body, and they would have to come before the plan commission, and they would have to get a series of approvals. That is a thing that could happen today. Someone could say, I want a beauty parlor, and they could come before this body at council, and you could say, no, we don't want that. That's a totally legitimate policy position.

It has happened in the past. Absolutely.

I have no intention of arguing with you, Counselor.

I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to make a fact. I mean, we've fought for so long, 30 years, to bring the cathedral area and part of St. Pat's back to what it was. And if we go down this road again and say, oh, yeah, it's OK. Well, you did it for the USCP. Nothing against them. And nobody has anything against them. It's just trying to figure out how to bring it into their business without individualizing the house. Because you can go right down. And someone will come tomorrow and go, oh, this house is too big for me. I'm going to sell it. I'm going to have an apartment building here. And that's happened. And that's what happened back in the 70s. We almost lost that whole neighborhood. both of them so that's why I was trying to figure out some type of compromise there's got to be a way that doesn't take four months that we can allow this to happen or home rule doesn't that stand for something we are a home rule municipality yep so no one wants to hurt them we're trying to help them it just happens it's an R2 single-family home And once we start doing that again, then you'll have the people over here wanting to do it, and the people out far west wanting to do it. And then there you go. Every neighborhood will have a couple of businesses in it. And no one wants a business in their neighborhood. I've lived this, so that's why I'm so adamant about it. But again, if you want to table this, I don't want to table it because it's going to take longer for them. But the president will be down here. support, we support UCP. There's no doubt about that. It's just a zoning issue as usual. It always comes down to zoning. And that's all I'm saying. I mean, I have no interest in this except to help because I talked to you earlier and I said, let's see if there's a way we can't figure this out right before the council meeting. And that's what I'm trying to do, but I don't see why it has to take four months. If everybody's in agreement.

it takes four months because the subdivision regulations that the city of Joliet has adopted by ordinance prescribed certain legal steps that must be taken to subdivide property it's not because we don't want to do it as a staff it's just that we have to follow the rules that we have been told that we have to follow what if we waive those rules we're home rule I would have to defer to our corporate counsel, but I don't know if there is a way as a layperson to just say we don't want to. So I don't mean to punt Mr. Castaldo, but.

Happy to jump into the conversation. Plan of consolidation is a viable alternative because I think your interest in this is that it's one PIN, it's one business, one property that's operating as the business within the residential district. Home rule does grant a lot of authority. There are times where home rule municipalities do take additional steps or steps to waive their processes. I do have some thoughts on this matter that I would like to discuss with staff to see if we can't get there in a more expeditious way. Just would have to look into a few things before I jump down that street. If ultimately we're interested in a consolidation, I think we could achieve that. I just want to look at a few things.

Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you. Dustin, is that the same process we just took maybe a meeting or so ago when we allowed someone to merge two PIN numbers and build a shed on that property that he was merging in?

It's very similar. And this is where the art of law is possible. And as a person who's not an artist, I would like the opportunity to consult with Mr. Castaldo. But I would say in that particular case, the consolidation of lots for a single pin is similar. I think a garage is a secondary use, right? like I Mr. Castado said I mean we want to make this happen for the City Council however you want us to do it so we'll put a little elbow grease on it and see what we can do Any other comments or questions?

I know you two will work on that so tomorrow we can have a more clear picture of what

But just to reiterate, Mayor, this pertains to the whole city, what we do with this one. It pertains to the whole city, not just one neighborhood, not just Cathedral area, not just Greenwood, not just St. Pat's. This applies to the whole city, and that's why I thought we've got to find another way where we can help UCP and not change our ordinance where you can allow a business to be in a single family block or so forth. So it's not just about one person or one business or one house. It's the whole city thing. So I hope that we can get something done in a time frame for UCP because, again, UCP does wonderful things. It's just That one technicality about the business and the single family homes. Thank you, that's it, I'll shut off.

Yes, I just want to reiterate and make a couple points. Number one, anytime someone moves forward for a variation, it's a request under the code, but it's also fact specific. So in this instance, there's a lot of facts that exist where they're contiguous properties, they're adjacent properties, they're all of that. So just to think that somebody could come and apply for a variance throughout a residential district, I would tell you that your planning and zoning and this board have a lot of discretion in reviewing those matters as well. don't know if you wanted to add into that either Dustin but so with that said I don't think just moving forward with this is going to open up a floodgate either so but we'll look at it and see if we can't move forward to consolidate those thank you mayor also is this good is he gonna go through any additional expense for doing it a different way because they are a non-profit

And I'm sure expense is something that they thought about when they got here to this point tonight with absolutely no opposition at all. So the expense of what Jan is asking them to do should be considered if there is a more cost that they're going to incur. Because they got all the way here to this night with no opposition to do this. This is what staff recommended for them to do. And here they are now, and we're pumping the brakes on it. That should be considered as well.

Thank you Okay, we're at public comments is there anyone who would like to address the council this evening on a non agenda item Anyone okay seeing none There is no request for closed session this evening is there motion to adjourn so moved second all in favor aye opposed meeting adjourned