City Council - Regular Meeting

and the Jefferson Public Library Board of Trustees. Would everyone please rise and recite the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Well, what a fantastic turnout. Thank you, citizens of Jefferson. I hope someone uh gets a at least a rough count. So, how we're going to operate that first tonight is very shortly I'm going to turn this over to uh Jard and she's going to do some brief introductions of the architects from uh studio Mary and then they will tell us all about uh this library project then finishing with uh some Q&A. when we when we get to that Q&A portion, will you please come up to

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Oh, all right. Well, never mind. I guess we'll have a lovely microphone going to you, but without further delay, Jame. Hi, can you hear me in the back? Okay, the person in charge is Brian over here that tells me where to stand. So, I have to be right here in the middle. I was expecting a podium, so bear with me. I've got page papers here. Um, thank you Darren for introducing us tonight. Welcome to the presentation by the architects from Studio Melee of the concept design for the addition of the Jefferson Public Library. I'm Jane Willard, director of the library. I have some introductions and thank yous and announcements to start us off. First, on behalf of the library board of trustees and the city council, I want to thank you all for coming tonight, those who are here in person and those joining us online and those who will be watching the recording of this meeting later. We thank you for your interest and your support. This is an exciting day for the library because all of you get to see the design for the addition for the very first time. This is the culmination of several years of planning, working with professional consultants, and gathering and listening to public input. That's important to us and has always been our guiding principle to respond to the needs of our community and get this right. After years of planning, it feels like we are just getting started. Studio Melee shares our vision. When we first met Chris and Curtis and Sophia the first time they came to our library last year, they told us they wanted to get to know our community and that would

ultimately guide the design of the new addition to the library. In a few minutes, you will see the concept they have designed. And I think you will agree they have gotten to know Jefferson and have listened to all of our input that we've given them. And it's going to fit our community beautifully. Along with input from the community and library and city officials, these architects from Studio Melee have put all of their experience and design tools and expertise into the process of designing the next addition to our library. I invite you to visit their website to see the structures they have designed, schools, churches, retail and commercial spaces, other civic and municipal buildings, including renovations andor additions to four other Iowa libraries, State Center, Waverly, West De Mo, and Newton. Besides that, we've gotten to know them over the past several months, and all three of them are just really nice to work with. Among those here tonight are me members of the library board of trustees up here in front and the newly formed Jefferson Public Library Foundation and steering committee members next in the next row back. We even closed the library so the librarians could be here. the friends of the library, board of directors are here and um other members of the city administration. I hope I didn't forget anybody. Others are here because they volunteered to serve as community representatives on previous studies, our space needs assessment, architectural feasibility study, and financial readiness committee, and also those who have

accompanied us on tours of other Iowa libraries. Thank you for being here tonight. It would take a lot of time to introduce everyone who has helped along the way, so I won't introduce everyone by name, but know that we are grateful to you. I will introduce the most recent group of community representatives that have been meeting with these architects since last October, the library building team. There's a picture of them on the screen, and I think most of them are here with us tonight. Sarah Ericson, Nick Foster, Gary Hoppert, Ryan Homer, Scott Kery, Mason Leman, Scott Peterson, Holly Roberts, Jenny Shman, Wendy Taylor, Nancy Tish, Bailey Mount, and myself. All of you have made important contributions to this project. You each have represented our community well, and your part in this process working together has led us to this point. I personally consider it a privilege to be involved in something that will impact generations of residents of Jefferson and Green County and hope you feel a sense of pride like those who helped get the Carnegie building built in 1904 and the first edition in 1966. The ones who built the library we enjoy today. And now it's our turn and our privilege to do this work. We are the ones building a legacy for those who will follow after us. I have just a few other quick announcements. At the end of the presentation, there will be time for questions. And if you think of something during the presentation and you want to ask, um, make sure you wait for Sarah to come back with a microphone so we can all hear you and the folks that are online can hear you, too. Thank you to the friends of the library for providing cookies for our meeting tonight. Be sure to get some

refreshments uh while you're here. The regular monthly meeting of the library board of trustees will follow this meeting, but we want to invite everyone to come and meet the architects and have a cookie. So, we'll take a break before the next meeting gets started. It too is open to the public. So, you're welcome to stay or go as you would like. presentation boards of the designs. They're hidden right now from you. No sneak peeks, but they will be on display at the library and at city hall um after this meeting. This is a special meeting of the city council and this presentation is being recorded. So, please tell anyone who was not able to come tonight that they can view the recording on the city's YouTube channel. Also, please refer to the library website. There's a lot of information about all the steps that we've taken toward a future expansion and the progress we've made, all those studies that I mentioned that we've done, the tours of every other libraries, all the pieces of information that we've gathered um to get to this point. And thank you, Bailey, for doing an amazing job with our library website. Again, thank you to everyone for coming. There were two engineers that were involved in this project that are not with us tonight, Robert and James. But now I want to introduce our architects from Studio Melee, Curtis Eer, Chris Bernamont, and industrial designer Sophie Sophia Memer. And now I'm going to turn it over to you. Wonderful.

Can everybody hear me back there through this? Great.

Wonderful. So, um, as Jane said, I'm Curtis Aaylor, joined by Chris and Sophia. Um, we've had the fortune of uh being involved in this project for uh almost a year, not quite all the way, but uh I wanted to say thank you to the Jefferson City Council for um being here for this presentation, the library board of trustees, the public library foundation board and steering committee, friends of the library board of directors, the library building committee team members that uh joined us and worked through this process with us. uh as well as some city staff uh librarians and those of you citizens and volunteers who also were part of uh some of these groups. Um as you can see here's our building committee Jane outline. Um all three of us are Iowa State graduates but you can see we were uh surrounded by hot guys. We all got along quite quite well. Um, we first visited in June, uh, before we were hired to get to know Jane and Bailey and really have a chance to visit the library on a regular weekday and understand how it operates. Um, we proposed in July and then were interviewed in August. Our team started work in September and we had meetings, six meetings in October, November, December, January, February, and March. So we we basically went through the winter um and then a couple additional meetings with staff to discuss the needs directly with you know those who use the library every day and some other additional meetings with the administrators uh Jane Bailey and others. Uh and it today obviously final presentation for at least the conceptual design. Uh we've been waiting for this for quite some time and we're excited to be here. When we were first hired, one of the things we really wanted to emphasize was that we we wanted to listen to the group and Jane touched on that. Um, we know that projects like this are can be

sensitive. We know that there are a lot of stakeholders involved. Um, it requires a lot of listening and understanding and a lot of prioritization. Um, our first step was to verify the existing building. We spent time effectively measuring it up, getting the drawings, inputting it, really getting a better feel for what we were working with, um, understanding the budget. And then we spent a significant amount of time measuring shelves, understanding all the different uh, portions of the collections, all the different programs and functions that happen in the library, and where there were uh, where there were potential deficiencies. Uh, one of the main things we wanted to be sure of is that the library has been here for a long time. There's a lot of people who are uh, very passionate about it. A lot of people who have been in the community who have have used it for sometimes a huge portion of their life. U, one of our first questions was how how long have people been involved with the library? And almost everyone on the building committee, it was a lifelong relationship with the library and what it does. So, we knew this was a, you know, an important uh an important project and one that we we really wanted to uh treat with care. Um, some of these, and I'm not going to go into all the details of these numbers. These are just slides of some of the details that we worked through with the building committee. Um, really looking at the different program areas. One of the one of the things we did early on was instead of designing the project and then figuring out how much it was going to cost was starting with the cost and what we felt was feasible and then working backwards to um lay out what we felt each program needed and let them all kind of uh wrestle for square footage to um find out what we could achieve in the end. Um we spent a lot of time working through that and really breaking out the different programs and

functions. Um the other thing that we wanted to do if you switch to the next slide is we spent a lot of time again still listening was to prioritize and understand what the community wanted, what you felt was important and what we needed to achieve with this project. I won't go through all these numbers obviously, but we had uh we took over 27 votes uh in the end. Um it involved library staff, city staff, patrons, uh members from the board, the friends of the library, the foundation, and a few volunteers. What we were trying to do is understand what are the most important parts of this project. what are the pieces that need to be prioritized so that we didn't in the end have smaller components uh that were sort of waving the tail or the tail wagging the dog in a sense where something that maybe wasn't a priority was taking too much stake in the project. The ones that we found were important were side access entrances parking drop off and wayfinding. um accessibility, making sure that the building was accessible to people of all a ages. Um an update for computers and technology, adequate space for meeting and program rooms, uh especially children's story time and for adult library events, uh staff work areas, staff service desks, collections of course, uh and by collections meaning children's, teens, and adult. uh there was definitely a need for the teens to have kind of their own space. They do, but it's very small and inadequate. Um so really identifying each of those uh age groups and and treating them uh respect uh respectfully. Uh one of the big pieces historical

sensitivity and respect for the for the original Carnegie. Um we did one of the things we noticed very early was, you know, Jane talked through the dates. Carnegie was built in the early 1900s. You had a major edition in the 1960s. Almost the exact same amount of time has passed, and now you're looking at that third edition. Um, we wanted to design something that was going to feel new and fresh and modern, but was not going to detract or take away from the Carnegie and some of the um historic attributes that it has. In many ways, we've tried to give some of those features back. um updated restrooms and amenities. And then um some of the additional items that were maybe a little lower on the list but definitely still received votes was lounging space, coffee, interstitial spaces, public displays. Uh library has significant artwork that um we wanted to allocate space for and uh for everyday processes like loading and deliveries. Uh after that we went into the next step of exploring and we won't show you all those options either. We've just selected some of the later ones to show you how we were looking through those. But really trying to get our head around where the building might be located um how large it would be, where the different functions would be located in that addition versus the existing spaces. Um we came up with some coin terms for it. One was the the L option, which is, you know, you can see the little icon in the upper uh right there is basically an L-shape that kind of hooked behind the Carnegie. Um, we looked at a stack option which was effectively putting a second floor on the ' 60s edition and then we looked at a potential enclosure option which was the idea of potentially like jewelboxing the Carnegie. Um, we

received a lot of feedback from that. I think most everyone decided we wanted to get away from the enclose option and doing anything to the front of the Carnegie. Um, we ended up with what we sort of coined the Z option, which was a mix between the L and the stack. Um, throughout each of these, we discussed the cost differences of each option. Obviously, there's different costs associated with building a building over the top of another one or behind one or in front of one. Um there's different costs with whether you go down or whether you go up. Um we spent a lot of time studying the site trying to understand where the best place to add on would be that would help the arrival and access process and not take away from you know basically help the actual function of the library uh function more properly. Uh we did realize pretty quickly that most people arrive from the north, park on the north, walk in from the north. Um so that was part of what led us to uh the direction we ended up with. Um and then the final stage which was getting to where we are today. So one of our you know the most important objectives is we really wanted to give the library a solution that you could you could use something that was feasible. Um, we know that sometimes, uh, there are studies that are done or reports or we can go through a concept process like this and go, "Tada, we've got your, you know, overpriced edition here that you can't afford and see you later." Uh, we did not want to end like that. We wanted to deliver something to everybody that they felt was, you know, we hope that you see it and say, "Hey, this is this fits the needs. This I can imagine this. This makes sense. This is graspable." Um, that was that was important to us all the way through. Um, we really want to leave you with something something nice.

And with that, I'm going to hand it over to Chris for the uh for the all the fun, I guess. So, without further ado, um, we can go ahead and switch over to some of the concept renderings. So, this is a first unveiling. I know Jane and Bailey have had an opportunity to see it prior to just to um give some initial feedback. Um but as Chris kind of alluded to, the ultimate goal was to preserve the Carnegie as much as possible and let the addition kind of be the the backdrop um to the whole building. Um there was some feedback um with the ' 60s building being a little bit out of context or character. Um so slight modifications were conducted to that trying to preserve as much of the historic character andor um bones if you will um to the building there since it was a good functioning building and structure. Uh we didn't want to get rid of it completely. um as well uh with this there was um uh a gesture to the end of the building of of the '60s building um to open up and expose the interior so everyone can that passes by on Lincoln Way uh can see the functions inner workings of the library so it's kind of not hidden and concealed but rather exposed and um full of enlightenment. So with that we'll move on to the next slide. So um as mentioned previously Z concept uh this is where uh we did an addition primarily to connect the two existing buildings together reworking what was um currently there um being here in the center and then the majority of the addition is to the upper level kind of expanding over a portion of the 60s building um but allowing for vertical circulation. So um typical entry um coming off vine

here coming to the north parking which is um had been dubbed the primary entry. Um most patrons would enter through the main entry here through a new vestibule. Um off to the side in the main foyer is the computers printing Kodak machine. Um some of the uh more of the adults computer station areas here. And at that point, um, patrons can either choose to go more of into the adult collection space off in the 60s building or elect to go up, uh, half flight of stairs to a meeting function, um, in the old Carnegie um, or proceed upstairs all the way to the youth area. So, um, one thing that we wanted to like, I guess try to strive for, uh, with the Carnegie is even though we can't restore, uh, it back to its pre original glory, um, and put it back to what it originally was, uh, we tried to open it up in a from the committee originally, uh, they wanted to try to preserve as much character as possible. So, we tried to eliminate as much program in the space just to provide the openness as it once was. Um so that's kind of why the meeting room kind of felts necessary for that that that location. Um with that we do encompass book sale um here storage for the meeting room uh independent restrooms and then also a more buffet style storage cabinetry here for events. um for our after hours and also for code reasons. Um we did open up the old front entry um to the Carnegie um so it can be used for after hours use as well as a secondary point of egress for the building. Um this uh brought a little bit of of character back to the building since that has been removed back in the '60s edition.

So, going back to down on the main level, fiction, non-fiction be the primary collections. A little bit shorter shelving than what's currently here, just so uh staff can see over the top of it, get as much daylighting thrown back into the building as well. We do have some study rooms off to the left, local history and sit down space on the southwest corner and restrooms and then a larger back of house staff work area, larger circulation desk and a dedicated director office besides. Um because of accessibility requirements and egress um a stairwell uh was included on the northwest corner of the building which will act as in two purposes. uh one being a staff entry for dedicated after hours access or midday access. Uh so they can come drop in to the break room, drop off their things and start prepping for the day. Uh as well as it seconds as an egress stair um or a service stair for staff from above. So Bailey and other youth staff can easily pop from the break room up kind of concealed up to the youth area without getting distracted or pulled aside. Um so we try to think through um access and um usage between as well as crossover between um staff members. Um upstairs um I should back up. We did include an elevator um because accessibility was key with this project to make sure every level of the building was uh functional and fully ADA accessible. So uh with this uh half flight down from the lower level we'll take you to the basement. Main level entry you into the elevator here. Midle up is the landing and the Carnegie access. And then upstairs will take you to the youth area. Um, additionally, all the stairs

interconnect and kind of stack over top of each other, allow you access down into the basement. Uh even though there's a lot of useful area in the basement, uh lighting concerns, accessibility concerns, uh egress were all discussed and it was decided that a lot of the program functions will be left more for storage, back of house use. Um hopefully alleviate some storage concerns here at this building. Um as well as provide um mechanical space for new infrastructure. Um because with the study that RCE conducted, uh it sounded like a lot of the uh infrastructure to the building was kind of out of its useful life or wasn't sized appropriately for um a an addition. Uh, a lot of the modifications will would be occurring and that would include new plumbing fixtures, uh, new plumbing service, um, fire sprinkler, uh, fire alarm, uh, new electrical service, uh, which is kind of positioned off to the west here, as well as new mechanical systems that operate and function the whole building. So, I guess before we move on, a couple outdoor features that uh were kind of a um not necessarily a mustave, but a a happy accident, if you will. Um is with the move to step the addition back. It kind of created a nice little southward node here between the the 60s and the Carnegie. um which can be used for outdoor patio space, outdoor reading, um as well as uh we widen the stair up at the front of the Carnegie so that reading programs youth want to go out and do a book reading um Bailey or another staff member can perch up on the stairs and children or youth or whomever can sit in the grass here and listen um to the program. Also, um want to mention that all the artwork is planned to be

maintained on the south of building since that is uh an icon to the library here. Um and with that having the glass on the inside, you can kind of experience it from a 360 experience unprely seen. So, so we'll go back to this one. Um, as mentioned, kind of a nice wide staircase here to the Carnegie. Again, this is more for like exiting use, but for after hours, it can be opened up as a primary entry to the building. Um, just so they can shut the library down and isolate the Carnegie from the rest of the facility. Um, try to maximize the amount of landscaping up front here, uh, just to make it a little bit more enjoyable from Lincoln Way. Again, artwork exposed through on the interior as well here. And then uh we are trying to maximize some opportunities upstairs here to daylight um staff areas andor circulation spaces. So pop around to the next. So this is going to be the view from the northwest corner of the building. New addition kind of perched up on top of the ' 60s building. drive-thru essentially stays the same as it was. Uh, however, in the plan, it actually um has a dedicated um book drop room, fire safe room. Uh unlike today where it's just a closet that feeds directly into Jane's office. Um so the thermal bridging and concerns about temperature regulations um kind of gets controlled via new room and um mechanical system. We try to maintain and um provide as much daylighting into the staff space that's just beyond the stair here. As well as we try to downplay how massive the building felt on top of the existing 60s building.

And then as you can see the addition main entry here um off to the left children's.

Oh yep. Thank you Chris. Um, just like the south with lighting opportunities, we try to maximize the daylighting as well on from the north just because there's no no direct sunlighting. So, every pop of color emphasizes a program function. Uh, the larger one being the the children's activity room upstairs. And then the one off to the northeast corner here is um young adult teen um reading space as well here. And then we tried to maximize daylighting down each individual aisle between the bookshelves as well. Picture from the northeast corner. So this will be your primary drive in. So this is essentially what you would see um when you enter the building uh of course in the evening hours here. Um nice visibility inside so you can see what's going on bright and airy. Um, sorry. And then with this uh renovation, anticipating some opening of existing windows that have been previously closed off uh just to maximize the amount of daylighting into the historic structure, bringing it back to its former glory uh and providing new opportunities for patrons. So once we enter the building here, uh next view. I guess going back overall aerial. This is kind of depicted before. Um again, just showing the overall Carnegie feel. Uh we uh there was always a question of what's the space going to feel like once we do renovate it. Um so Jane specifically requested this image cuz she wanted to see, you know, you know, how many walls are we putting in there? How much space do we have? How many seats can it accommodate? Um so we tried to maximize uh where we could be effective with storage bathrooms and

then also provide an area for book cells but again trying to bring it back to try to preserve and bring back as much historic character as we could. So once we enter the building through the vestibule here uh this view is um from the northeast corner of the foyer uh overlooking the the libraries for the adult area here. So again, once you enter the building, you can either elect to go over into the adult collections or pop over and go up the stairs to the youth. Try to use uh signage as a good wayf finding tool as well as colors um to help emphasize the different collections as well. Again, um try to be methodical with materiality um just so it's a warm comforting feeling when you enter the building. Um, not too bland, not too overpowering, you know, but something subtle and enjoyable. So,

showing both walls. Yes. Oh, yep. Thank you. Yeah, the the Carnegie walls you're talking about.

Yep. Uh, with the move to the north here, uh, we were able to expose the Carnegie even down into the basement. So, so you get to experience the the Carnegie corner and the brick um in a different perspective and view from before. So, similar with entry. That's the the brick from the 1960s building too. So, u circulation desk looking back uh full visibility into the foyer area for people entering. Um, again, you can see the top of the shelves back to check on patrons and then also an access door out to the patio here. And then upstairs, a little bit brighter, more vibrant. Uh, again, windows for the the teens, intermittent windows. And then this little jewel box of a corner here, um, is the youth room. and then activity space off to off to the left here. And then uh Bailey's office or youth director's office um whoever's um holding that position would be right behind this corner behind uh the youth services desk. So one thing we we tried to do with this is um try to make it floor to floor heights as lofty as possible um while working in the constraints of the existing structure. Um, so we were mindful of how tall just to try to bring in as much daylight into the youth space as well.

I think that's so cost opinion. So, working with RCE and taking off um square foot cost numbers based on current data. Uh, construction costs we're anticipating to be around 4.1 million. Um, FFNE uh finishers, fixtures, and equipment. Um, we anticipate in the 375 range. Um, with renovation projects and even new nowadays, uh, we always hold the contingency number just in case there's unforeseen conditions. Um, a $200,000 line here. And then projected design fees at about 8% roughly of construction cost. Um, just a plug-in number here. Uh, bringing the grand total to right at 5 million. Again, um we know that's the uh original RFP stipulated about $4 million all in. Um I guess reflecting on the needs and the future value that's going to be given to the library, we tried to stay within a range around there. Um construction cost we landed pretty close to that 4 million number. Um but ultimately the 5 million is kind of where the eB flow can occur if existing u shelving desks etc are reused. So I mean uh we definitely could be backing down off of that cost. So

yeah the cost per square foot is higher on smaller projects and it gets lower as you increase the size of the project. And so, uh, it's kind of one of those where, you know, the first 10 square ft are far more expensive than the last 10 square ft because of set costs with contractors and general conditions and, uh, mobilization and everything else. So um in wrestling through the program and the needs um it was you know losing 1 of the budget lost more than 1/5if of the program and it made make in in our opinion making the sense of the project um greatly diminish just because you lose so much of the the primary needs that need fulfilled. Um, so the building committee and our team worked, you know, kind of wrestled through that as to what what is an adequate line to draw in the sand. Again, we don't want to get to a place where we're, you know, way over budget and getting out of control with the the concept and, you know, trying to quadruple the square footage of the current building or anything. Um, and this is this is the size of the addition we we settled on. It it checked a lot of boxes and um resulted in being a little bit over the cost, but um that's where we're at.

Curtis, can you tell about the added square footage where we're at now? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Um so currently square footage wise, the 1960s building is about 4,000 square ft. The Carnegie is just a hair under 4,000 square ft combined between both floors. So you're looking at about 8,000 square feet. Uh with the addition, you're adding another 4,100 square feet to the project. So you're increasing it by 50%. So I think we were originally aiming at 12,000 ft or thereabouts and we ended up closer to 13. Uh actually a little under. A little under. Okay.

Yep. Um yeah, and you know, we again we appreciate the opportunity to design um an addition for you and a renovation. Um we really enjoyed the town. We really enjoyed getting to know um all the members of the committee and um we've done a lot of projects that that uh we took to this level and then we took to the next level of actually building them and completing them. Um, like Jane said, I'd encourage you to look on our website and see some of those. Uh, and you can see how we take I'd say a little bit of a a careful and surgical approach to projects. Um, that is a little more u it brings a higher level of care, I think, than the brashness of maybe some. So,

Jane, do you want who you want to maneuver around? Sarah's gonna do that. Sophia, do you want to go back to one of the renderings? Yeah. The one from you have any questions? And hold up your hand and Sarah will come your way with the microphone. We can all hear you.

Yes. I was wondering where the elevator is going to be and where the handicapped ramps, wheelchair ramps are going to be. Uh great question. Um so with the addition we don't anticipate any uh ADA ramps for the project. Um right now everything is going to be regraded on the north to accommodate ease of access straight into the building.

So this will be a flush entry approach and then when you come into the building uh the elevator can be accessed from this 1960s level here center of the building. Um, and then that can traverse all three floors, the basement, um, I guess four floors, excuse me. Um, basement, uh, the main level, the Carnegie level, and then the youth edition. So, uh, one key driving feature that we didn't touch on earlier, uh, was the location of the elevator. Uh, we tried to be methodical with the placement of it. Um because if we located it in the footprint of the 1960s building or within the Carnegie, uh there would be some significant structural or requirements to get it to work either by underpinning supporting the existing foundations um or modifying floor systems and you're losing valuable square feet in doing so. Um so design approach we thought made more sense to put all circulation center between the two buildings kind of what it's attempted to do currently. Um but try to be more effective with it. So

it's going all the way up. Yes. Yep. Yeah. So we can elevator ride. Yep. Yep. So this is the Carnegie level floor entry, the basement floor entry. And then on the other side it's right here. So they're all Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you'll be able to hit all three floors. So, four four floors. Yeah. I apologize. Yes. Four floors. Yeah. Yep. So, it's going to be a double-sided elevator and every floor is basically midle from each other staggered up. So,

thank you Will outside lighting be low wattage and or shielded say I don't know what's going to be specified for the project but it I excuse me I don't know what's going to be specified for the future project um but all new lighting will be LED so low energy consumption u most likely will have cut off so it doesn't array out beyond the the footprint of the the property line and then definitely will fall within zoning requirements of the city. Yep.

I think right now there might be 10 parking spaces. Will there be more parking? I didn't see in any of the pictures where there might be new parking spaces like that house. So speak to the house.

All right. Uh we just want to make sure we had the go ahead on. So there's been discussion about uh if I don't know if we can go back to the site. Um just north of the building, northwestish of the building, uh there is a house that kind of sits left of the insurance building, uh that is potentially up for sale. Uh there's been some discussion of the city andor library procuring that and using that for um a phasing site as well as a future uh parking space or parking site uh to accommodate the the parking concerns with the the site. So

I will say one of the goals was to not take away any of the existing parking stalls. Um there was a pressure obviously in some of the concepts to try to take over the current alleyway of parking and we really tried to keep the the design out of that realm so that we at least didn't lose what we already have. Um but the hope would be that we would expand. If you look at the overall area, the adjacent blocks, um there's really no easy way to get parking south of the library. So, uh our hope would be that it would grow to the north. And if that's the case, uh that's part of why we also felt that the the new addition on the north made a lot of sense. So, Um, I just have a question about how it's going to affect the collection size like if combining the youth and the teen department. Is it going to be equipped to handle the same size collection that we have now or or will we have to really?

So yeah, do you want to talk to that? Go ahead. So the goal was to account for the existing collection the existing collection size. Uh while I I would say a a library project 20 30 years ago would have typically pushed for more collection space. Um the current climate of library design is not necessarily diminishing in size but at least maintaining what there is. So the primary goal of this project was to add functional space for youth, teen, adult lounge, like usable area that surrounds the collections. Um not necessarily to grow the collections, but it the goal is definitely not to reduce the collections either. So and part of that is in giving children's its own space like it currently has and teens its own space and the adults its own space. So, uh, we measured up all the existing collections, linear footage of shelving, and we're accounting for that in this arrangement. Even to piggyback on that, when we had our first building meetings, uh, youth was definitely king when we were talking about things that that was, you know, that was a priority. I I think we have a great and growing youth um development at the library and so we wanted to make sure that was going and the architects definitely were interested in that as well.

Yes. Are there going to be more computers and less actual books? So,

so in 1960s when they were looking to add on um they would have been looking to grow the size of the collection. That would have been a little bit easier to um an easier pathway. Let's make a bigger library so you can have more books. They didn't anticipate technology coming on in the 1960s. So we have added a lot of power poles and different ways we've added technology. So we're not trying to make more room for a larger book collection. Um we have a huge book collection online now too that they wouldn't have anticipated a virtual collection that you can see that doesn't take up space which is nice. We're not having to add on space for that. But we are adding space for people and technology. technology being not no space for it in the 1966 edition. So, it's incorporated in these plans now. Um, not doing away with technology, but making more space for it and more space for people gathering programs, children, computers.

You'll probably see about the same number of public access computers. Yeah. So, but then again, people are bringing their own uh devices in to use the wireless, the Wi-Fi. So, some of that we don't need to make space for.

Um so, to help clarify, um the project is anticipating to split computer usage between adults and youth. So, that adults is going to be primarily at the four-year entry space. Um, children's is more here isolated um closer to the the desk and then a team pod up here. So, we are trying to be mindful of the age group so that we're not overlapping and you know uh things can be not fought over or video games aren't playing loud next to you while you're trying to write a paper. So, we try to be mindful of that when laying out the the plan. So,

yeah. Uh so where there might be the same number of teen computers as there was before, they're now on their own spot. The kids can be a little louder, um hang out, talk to each other more freely, and not feel like they're sitting right next to someone who's maybe trying to study or work during the day. Um so it's really trying to make this the quality of the use and the space more effective. Um, so yeah, I I I would reiterate what Jane said that we're going to be about the same on the number of computers and the same on the collections. It's more of a quality um as it is right now. I for those of you I mean so many of you have been to the library, you know, you're kind of everything's kind of all sitting on each other and a lot of the goal of this is to help free that up so that people feel more appropriate in their spaces.

I have a question. So, are you going to close the library while you're doing this or how is that going to work?

Yeah, it's a great question. Um, we looked at phasing a lot. We we deal with phasing on a lot of the types of projects that we do because they're so surgical in nature. Uh, there's a few different options for that. Um, part of the reason why we bring up the uh lot to the north or the the house to the north is that there is also a need for layown space and contractor work area. Um, a couple different ways you can handle phasing. One is to move the library out um move it to a remote location like a separate temporary location. Um, another option is to do a reduced library. Um, we've done that on some projects where there is a smaller library effectively operating during construction in a portion of the library and it remains partially occupied. Um, and we even tried, you know, while this is still it looks very final, it is a little conceptual in nature. Um, you'll notice that the connector that exists right now between the 60s and the Carnegie is about where that outdoor patio is. So, we've also looked at options for, you know, can we build the new addition to the north while leaving the connector and how can we, you know, stagger that. It's not fully thought through. I'd say some of that hinges on what happens with the plot to the north. It also depends on what opportunities there are around uh around town. So, I know when we did the Newton Library, they had explored a few different options and at the time they had tons of square footage at the May Tag buildings and stuff like that where hey, there might there might be an opportunity like that here. Um, at this time, we don't have it perfectly figured out, but it's definitely a topic we've been discussing and would would time the project out appropriately for that. So to to piggyback on that, um depending on the approach, there could be some

cost implications with doing a stay in the building and do a phase project because there's going to be a lot of contractor on site, contractor moving, owner moving, contractor mobilizing again, you know, back and forth. Uh so that could add time and cost because of all the the moving and the the players coming back and forth. um where as you if you empty the building and just turn it over to them, shorter timeline, possibly less cost associated to it. However, you have to kind of weigh that against what leasing a space um offsite would take. So, it's going to be a little bit of a a strategy later on down the road um once funding has occurred. So, no plans to close the library.

This might be a smaller version of construction if Oh, sorry. If there is a closure, sometimes in between moves, there has to be a short duration where a week or two the library has to be down in order to actually move the materials and the staff and everything. That's the kind of closure we might be talking about if that if that makes sense. But we're not, you know, you really don't want to shut the library down for an extended period of time because, you know, you start to lose some of that that repetitive interest of of the citizens. You're all invited to help.

Can you talk about the the study rooms that you have included and where those are at? And then over in the Carnegie side where you say it's just going to be like a big meeting room. Is that open all the time then or is that only open on when people can sign up for it and use it? Can you speak about that stuff? Uh you want to talk about study rooms? I can talk about

Sure. Um, as part of the study, um, there was a need for dedicated study rooms, uh, because currently everybody's either using the basement, um, or possibly the genealogy room or or whatever corner they can find that's quiet. Um, and there's always like a a constant demand, um, to for the spaces. Um, so having uh, two dedicated study rooms um, here uh, was always planned um, and or requested as a must-have. And with that, there's talk about maybe doing a an operable partition so that this thing could be opened up into one larger meeting room. And then um with that, this meeting room, there's always been a demand from the library uh of needing additional space um for larger youth events um you know, teen, other activities like that that require you know, 50, 60, 70 people. Um and that was kind of a a a point of hey, we need this. we don't want to keep moving off site because that deters people coming to the library. So, um again, this was a a function that was a mustave. Um as far as scheduling, I'll have to let Jane speak to how they want to operate that. Um it was it was really designed and we went through a process of discussing how big should that room be, how many people should it account for, what would its use be? And the budget and the program really didn't allow for an enormous, you know, large community room type space. Nor was that the primary need from what we found. What we found was that the need was in um a you know there's the little program room upstairs for children's but this was more for like larger study room larger activities like Chris said teen um if there's like a book club that meets maybe you have a writer come in and give a a talk on their book and a book signing um these

are basically to handle library programs that you currently don't have really any room for um on site. So, and it might be available some after hours, but I think that that would probably be a somewhat rare occurrence. Go ahead. Sorry, Jane.

So, currently we share the meeting room with the public. So, the library programs is for the public use and we just um if the library has a program plan, we block it off for the library. I'm talking about the room in the basement right now. And so the same would be true for this new meeting space. It's just larger, which is, as they said, we need that. Um, but the public can also reserve it. Same way with the study rooms. We don't currently have study rooms. As Chris said, if the basement's available, we let small groups use it just on a walk-in basis. Um, or they can reserve it. And so I would imagine the same would be true for the study rooms. In I see six chairs around those two tables and possibly a wall that opens up in between.

So just allows a couple more areas that people can use when they need quiet space or small meeting. So that was a priority to have and I imagine it will be both reservable and available on walk-in basis. We also do that same way with our computer use. So

yeah, these sized rooms were designed to accommodate anywhere from one person studying quietly by themselves to a tutoring type setup and all the way to uh maybe like a uh four students, five students that are doing a group project together uh where they're going to want to talk and you know in a tutoring setting you're there needs to be dialogue but you don't want to disrupt the library. So this is the idea of just giving up a space for that. Go ahead. Uh

assuming this gets built, uh would you anticipate the operating budget to be to change one way or another? It's a good question. Good question. Um I would I would anticipate it going up slightly

um just due to the added square footage. However, there is there's going to be a lot of changes in terms of right now I think it's single pane glass right in the building. um that would become, you know, you get better glazing, you're going to get more efficient heating and cooling systems. You're going to get um better insulation over the roof of the 60s. Uh better insulation and windows in the Carnegie. So, I think there's going to be that the envelope and the systems will be more efficient, but the square footage will go up. I'm going to guess it it'd result in a little bit of an increase, but the goal would be to try to keep that as close to what it's currently operating as possible. So, it is an older building with older systems and it it doesn't operate very efficiently right now. And so, part of the goal is to help those wash out. So,

Tom, we're probably always interested in becoming more energy efficient if you are.

There was discussion about potential solar on the roof. Uh, a lot of that comes back to depending on what rebates exist and programs exist from utility companies. So, you know, it's hard to it's hard for us to put that on a plan and say we're we're definitely doing this because you just don't know where things will be when it's time to build and and what opportunities are available. But, uh, there was a lot of conversation about where where those might go um and how they might how they might work. part of the reason why we left. If you look at where the mechanical equipment is in the renderings from the outside, you'll see that they're located on the higher roof of the of the new edition and on the connector uh sort of front entry link right there. And there there's not a lot on the the lower level of the 60s current row. And that that was kind of for that piece of mind like that. We might eventually put solar there, but we didn't want to show it as part of this project.

Uh, can you tell us approximately the construction times that you see for the different portions of the project and how that's going to go?

Yeah, that's a really good question. Um, we haven't laid out a detailed timeline. Um, there's a lot to consider when laying out a schedule for a library. U, a lot of times we want to avoid the summer reading program and when kids are out of school. So, sometimes the the schedule gets dictated by that. Um, I'd say a lot of it's going to come down to whether or not you move out portions of the library or go off site because as Chris said, if it ends up being that we try to stay on site, it definitely becomes a a full phase of construction followed by a full phase of construction. Uh, if we could do it all at once, that would be beneficial. Usually, a project of this size, you're probably looking at about a 10 to 12 month construction timeline. So, call it a year. Um, but if you're going to break it into two phases and we end up going that route, it could potentially double that.

Question for the for the city and the library board. What's the funding plan and what will be the involvement of the city itself in the budget for the project? Happy happy happy to speak to that a little bit about as you think about this and and look at this and you say there's a $5 million project hanging out there. Okay. Just as we approach this the the primary source of of funding for the project will will come from uh private giving and fundraising. you know, and as we look at how the project so just that again the private source uh the the main source of funding for the project itself would likely be uh private giving and fundraising. Okay. So, we have this excellent fundraising group together that is is really ready to go out there and attack this now, but we would be be uh really you got to be a little reasonable about the notion that they likely would need some type of assistance from the city government in order in order to make that happen. Okay. Having ever put any numbers to what the type of city involvement might be, we we have not had those type those discussions. Okay. just as as we approach this right now, it really is that this primarily is a fundraising uh project and and to be financed as much with private giving as possible. But again, we'll be practical about that as far as whether that can all be done and at some point requires some city uh assistance.

Is anyone any money coming from the casino? So, as Scott mentioned, private donations would be the leader here, but also grant writing. So, we will definitely be exploring what is available out there for cities that are looking to add on to their libraries. So, grants will be part of this. And I just want to tell you that Holly Roberts is here. She's the president of the new Jefferson Public Library Foundation. And so you will probably that'll be the next thing that you're hearing about is the fundraising campaign. So we're working with some consultants right now to get that started and get everything in place. So we can tell you more about that pretty soon.

When this originally was even just a grain of a thought, Jane, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but we had three proposals, maybe four, and each of them were about $9 million. And so to come to $5 million is um has really been a cost savings. We're listening. So David J, I got late. I apologize. You may you may have addressed this, but what does this do for your staffing levels? More people, fewer people, different levels. Can you talk about that?

Thank you, David. I was going to add on to the answer that was given to when Tom asked about increasing the operating budget. Um, and Curtis kind of spoke to just the addition of square feet. Yes, probably. But the staffing level is good where we're at right now and I think they've designed it so well. I don't anticipate ha adding to the staff at all. The number of staff that we have. Um, as you can see, just putting it on top of one of the existing buildings means that we can check on each department. It has always been a challenge with the two buildings. We can't see through walls. I wish I had that superpower, but um, you know, things that we look at for that would be safety of children. So, as long as the children's area is well staffed at all times, we stay within budget, we can see what's happening, make sure everybody is served that comes into the library and needs assistance. But number one would be the safety of children. But for right now, from what I can see, I think they've designed it so well, we'll be able to staff with what we have. I my comment is um in my nearly 10 years of being involved with the Jefferson Public Library um I've been to a lot of meetings in this building in that building and a lot of hours sitting in that basement suffering suffering in that basement. So if you have any doubt that we need these rooms for congregating, rooms for studying, go sit in that basement for an hour and

say, "Gosh, this is wonderful." No, this this is so exciting. I'm really happy. And I'm on the fundraising board, so you'll see a lot of me. This is the practical side of me coming out. There's always a um need for food with all the programming that's anticipated food. So, I'm wondering about um like small kitchenet areas with sinks to wash the dishes and storage for the um serving trays and that kind of thing.

Um For the larger meeting room, um we did account for u some of the phase style storage and countertop space for lay down use uh including a hand sink or a sink um in the corner. Um because of all the things that come with a community space, um table chair storage, you know, shaping dishes, different things like that. Um we tried to accommodate a larger storage room here uh to accommodate at least for this space. And then for smaller back of house um break room, we did include a larger break room here which previously used to be in the basement at least for staff. Um and then um we we dubbed this bottom corner here in the lower level as seasonal storage. Um but if any overflow items um that are needed for other activities um for meeting our community use um it could be easily wheeled out through the door up the elevator u and brought to the the program spaces that that need it. So it's it's more of a a circulation vertical um through the elevator. That's a a huge win for this. So,

so there wouldn't be there wouldn't be a kitchen per se. Um, just in terms of the needs and study and again sort of that prioritization and what we give square footage and dollars up for uh kitchens are a lot of money uh per square foot. They cost a bit more and we just didn't see that demand for at least the demand wasn't high enough to really allocate space for that. Um, as Chris was pointing out, that kitchenet, we don't show it in this model, but it is up against two bathrooms and so there there will be plumbing there. So, we've talked about there might be like a sink and countertop and base cabinets. So, it's really more of like a catering type setup bringing in sandwiches, snacks, uh, for a a children's event or for, you know, an author visit, but not necessarily a we're we're preparing and producing meals, if that makes sense. So really just focusing on catering, snacks, kind of light light eating,

which is generally what we have now, except we do have a refrigerator. We need to talk about the refrigerator, Chris. Back in the staff area, mainly what we need is a place for chocolate. Right.

Refrigerator. Yeah. right there. There it is. Yeah, there was a staff break room space, Chris. A counter microwave. Um, we're still talking about some fridge and dish, right?

My bad. I might have missed it, but on the upper level in the youth uh area, if there's restrooms up there, are they going to have like um a baby changing table in both? Are they both going to be family style restrooms or men's women's? How's all that going to work? Because as dads, we get jipped a lot of not having our changing tables in our restrooms. If that's the route you're going to go, I understand that I have twins and they're four and a half now. So, I've had to change two on the floor before. Um, right now the intent is that every restroom is like a single whole use. Uh but we are playing to account for baby changing stations and these two this one and these two over here staff restroom uh I don't think we're showing one uh but it can be added because there is space for it. So there's there's there there's six restrooms, seven restrooms, I'm sorry, all individual restrooms.

Mhm. And Jane, haven't you said the restrooms that are in the 1966 portion are grandfathered in, but they are not ADA compliant? None of our restrooms are ADA compliant currently. Um, two of them are like closets. the children's area and in the basement. Um on the adult side pass code in 1966, but they wouldn't now.

Yeah. You can't get a wheelchair in there to turn around or to to add to that. Um since every floor is accessible via the elevator, every door, every restroom, um every facility function uh is accessible. So that's one stipulation from the current code. So that'll be part of the remodeling of the existing buildings is bringing them up to code. Yeah.

Yeah. And actually the existing code allows us to not necessarily make everything accessible. um just mainly primary functions and there's a lot of caveats as to how you know there's a balance between historical buildings and accessibility requirements and you're allowed certain exceptions but as Chris stated the goal here is that everything it's as access it'll be as accessible as a new bu as a new building

is there adequate staff room staff space so that they don't have the staff acts of pile of things on their desks that seem to take.

I hope so. Let's put it that way. Um, one of the things that's been a little challenging for me is to imagine how those square footages will change in those certain areas. But one of the priorities that we asked for, not the top one, but one of the ones that we charged the architects with coming up with was more staff workspace because as you point out, we're kind of on top of each other. Um, there's a lot of staff coming and going throughout the day. A lot of them are part-time, but um and so they share their work desks and so it takes a lot of coordination actually and we each have a lot of work that we're doing. So Tori, I'm hopeful. That's what I can say about that. It's in the plans. You're right. We need more space. That's why we put it on the list. So, we learned a lot from going to other communities and seeing their libraries. Um, what new libraries additions and I just would invite you to anytime you're traveling, stop in a library, stop there instead of Casey's and use the restroom. um um because we learned a lot from those visits and we truly want to bring some of what we saw in those amazing spaces to our community. Um and with the architect's help and all of yours, we can do that. I think I saw another hand up way in the back. I had a quick question on the study rooms. You mentioned adding more windows like in the front and the side to add more natural light. Are you going to do the same in the study rooms or are those going to be more enclosed? If you come and wash them,

that's that's a really good question. So, we quick put this we we tried to put we try to put glass where it can be used most effectively. Um, in this case, we the main locations we wanted was a lot a lot on the north. Uh, north lighting is is great. You don't get the glare and uh, you know, you'll turn into a a solarium in the summer. Um, and then in this case, we did have some in the south where there's a big overhang and we'll put some screen shading on it for visibility and for use on that end. Um, we could add more glass. We could take away more glass. It all it does become a function of cost. Um so we are trying to be strategic about where we put it. Um our thought with the study rooms is I don't know if you can you when you get a chance you can go look at the plan but um the front of those study rooms were imagining our glass doors and windows so it should get a lot of borrowed light as well from the the south glass. Um, we also played a lot with where the functions go in the buildings. Like you saw from those jello models we we flipped through, um, where the study rooms ended up. You know, that entire west wall, you can see we kind of put the break room, staff room, restrooms, book drop, study rooms, and the local history shelf. We kind of stayed screened on that side just because you have the gas station, you have the book drop, driveway. uh we don't want people to be sitting in there studying and feel like, you know, somebody's pulling up to drop off books and they're just sort of staring at them. So, um it just made sense to keep that a little more private on that space and have the glass facing the collections on the interior.

Where did you put our geonological reference room? Oh, Elaine, I didn't hear you. Where did you put the genealogy reference room? Genealogy stays in the basement. However, it has grown by about 50% or more. Uh, no, it's moved southward. Um, so right now where the stair and um I guess overflow book storage is for book sales um is located, it basically would envelop the entire southwest corner of the Carnegie.

I'm sorry. Yeah. all the mechanical systems would be getting reworked as part of this. So So yeah,

yeah, we we looked at some potential spots for genealogy upstairs, um we felt like of all the functions that we could take advantage of the of the basement square footage, that was a good one to keep down there. We also thought it would help uh you know there are there are some valuable items in that room and it is you know I wouldn't say valuable from a from a dollars and cents perspective but valuable to the community and from a historical perspective and we wanted to keep those in a place that maybe would be less you know not on a main circulation path or in an area that's easy for the public to always get to. Uh, but that will be a whole new that basement will not look the same as it does now. It's going to be well lit. It's going to be off of an elevator. You're going to have a nice restroom down there.

Yep. But we need better air. That's what libraries are supposed to smell like. That's the nostalgia. I've been in a lot of libraries that smell worse than ours. Elaine's going to be on the fundraising committee to make a bigger genealogy space. Um, and the local history area that they have in the corner here will include the genealogy area that's in the uh adult department. So, local history, genealogology.

They're even going to sell Yankee Candles, old books now. Thanks Darren. That's a good idea. Anyone else have another question?

Okay, there you go, Nancy. During CO, the library was closed to um people coming in to get books and the librarians then were given the task to take the books out to the the sidewalk or to their car so that they wouldn't be um going into the library. So the question was for um book drop, will there be uh will the librarians be able to use that area to give books out to um library users? Like if they don't want to come in, can't come in. If a library shut down, can people drive up and check out a book

in this concept? No. Uh we looked at that for a while, but um in this case, we're just still planning on book drop only. Um we have worked with some libraries that have that function. Um that function does require additional staffing because typically you need someone there um a majority of the time or at least during certain hours. Uh but when we went through the study on this one, we uh we elected not to. Um there was the opportunity to uh since if you notice where the work room is now, there could be the opportunity of putting something like that up there and working off of the alley, but that also becomes a traffic problem. Um so when we weighed everything out, it felt like it was best to just leave it as bookdrop only. There is a an interior bookdrop as well. I will say at the circulation desk. So just as you do that now,

thank you for asking. That was on our list of wants. Um I'm picturing you remember those hoses that used to drive over at the gas station and they'd let the attendant know to come out and fill your tank, something like that, because we would come running if we heard the bell. But um we had to trim some things off of our list. So more fundraising. That's the answer, right? Any questions?

That was our goal with this is to provide not just a a design, workable design, feasible design, but to provide quality graphics and a workable concept. Um, you know, we don't want you to be fundraising with poorlooking drawings. We don't want you to be fundraising for something that later someone would say, "Yeah, that's not really possible." Um, you know, there's a lot of thought and intentionality behind providing a deliverable that we feel people can get excited about and is achievable, works with code, etc.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, Chris and Curtis and Sophia for all your wonderful work. We appreciate the time together and that you've designed a beautiful addition to our library. Thank you everyone for coming. If you don't mind the librarians or architects, if you'd like, if you don't mind, I do have a a question quick. Sure. Sorry, hold on just a minute. We have one more question. One one more question, please.

So, uh I will say I appreciate uh the everything that you've done to ensure that this is energy efficient. uh reducing recurring costs as well as ensuring that the uh work staff flow doesn't uh mandate that they incorporate additional staff to meet uh not only the needs that they're serving right now, but also any increased capacity that they uh are going to be able to do. Doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to overwork the staff that we already have and uh and also maintain staffing as needed. Um I also appreciate appreciate that you're incorporating improved technology. Libraries in their heyday uh incorporated newspapers which were the uh electronic device of its day and now we are making a a public-f facing resource or repository for information. Knowledge is power and that's what the library provides for us. So the incorporation of technology is only lock step with the future. It doesn't mean we're a stewing or backing off of the biblio file or the books, but we're incorporating more means of providing accessible information uh resources to applying for jobs uh to those who are not necessarily able to get all of those resources in their home. Uh this provides that. So, I appreciate that. Um having personally used publicly available meeting rooms in a library to tutor, that's really nice. I know we have meeting rooms available already in our community. Uh they tend to be geared more towards businesses, so they tend to be for a fee. And since I did my tutoring pro bono, I appreciate publicly accessible and potentially at lowcost or no cost meeting rooms for that purpose. Uh appreciate that greatly. I do have a question. Uh with the increased uh window glass, UV damage to these books, is that a potential and

has that been considered?

Yeah. So typically in the past that happens because of UV coming through. Um today's today's glazing the the panes and the low coatings that they put on them typically prevent a lot of that from happening. Um in this case we're going to be both shading the window outboard and probably having shades inboard so that like manual shades so that people can actually lower them and have you know a little bit darker environment time to time. So, we wouldn't anticipate that much fading on those books. Um, the only ones that would potentially be may maybe exposed more would be the ones just the inside of that south glass. U, but I think we can also plan through that with Jane as to whether there's um, you know, a good type of collection that can go with that location.

And, and you were exactly right about the items stored in the genealogic location and the items stored in the basement. They are quite literally priceless, irreplaceable. So what type of environmental controls uh were considered in this to ensure that these books don't degrade over time, especially these uh ones with age on them?

Yeah. So a lot of what you have right now are just isolated systems trying to heat and cool. Um you might have scenarios, we we've talked about this at the library where you know in the summer there's a lot of heat that's rising in the Carnegie and they're trying to cool upstairs but then they're freezing out the downstairs or vice versa. Um the idea here is to zone it more appropriately so that doesn't happen. Um dehumidification is a huge part of more modern equipment. Um so that would be better. And then the other main thing is air changes. So a lot of the equipment right now does not bring in a lot of fresh air. Um it is tempering the air but it's not bringing in the right amount of fresh air for the volume of people and the volume of space. So, the new equipment that we're talking about with this project would would help

introduce outside air, not necessarily the drafty Carnegie or the drafty 1960s, but actually conditioned clean fresh air. Clean fresh air. Yep. Um, and yeah, one of the other things to note about that, so this Chris could point out those sh those shelves are right inside that south glass that if you go back to the plan, Sophia, there's no furniture shown there, but we kind of anticipate that area being a little that's kind of the one loungey spot. There might be some chairs and stuff. So that first row of shelving is probably prime for periodical magazines. Something that maybe if the sun gets on it, it's not something you're at a huge loss of. Anyways, I I can see furniture being a little bit more replaceable than some of our really nice books. Absolutely.

Well, thank you very much for your presentation. Of course. Thank you. Thank you, Luke. So just like in 1904 they didn't in 1966 they didn't know what or in 1904 they didn't know what they need in 1966. We don't know what the libraries of the future will look like but we asked them to create flexible spaces so we can adjust to that. So thank you so much everyone. Good night.