City Council - Regular Meeting

[music] uh the open form sheets. Uh we'll move on to the consent items. Move to approve. Second. Aaron Holtz. I Jackson. I Sloan. I Wait. Hi, Winkle. Hi.

Item A and new business is a resolution setting a public hearing regarding a potential ordinance allowing hunting on certain [snorts] land inside Jefferson City Lance. So, the city received an inquiry from Dan Paulie. D and is is the owner of a a piece of land that is clear in the southwest part of town and it's a 70acre parcel but it actually straddles the corporate line and about 20 acres of this land are are inside the city limits. So Dan would like to enroll this parcel of land in IHAP, the Iowa Habitat and Access Program. But uh and this is done through the Iowa DNR, but they certainly do encourage public hunting on these lands. Then so um the question before the city will then would be would we allow public hunting on this? The basic question is that we have a city-wide prohibition on the discharging of firearms. So, uh, if if we were to allow public hunting in this area, it would be allowing the discharging of firearms in in this area specifically. So, in in order to do this, it would require an ordinance change and in order to consider an ordinance change, we would need to hold the public hearing. So that is actually the the action requested of the of the council tonight is to consider a resolution to set the public hearing date for February 10th.

Did did Dean specifically ask for a firearm shotgun muzzle loader versus bow only by chief that it would involve firearms for sure. Yep.

Chief, how do you feel about this? We've had some discussions on this in our committee meetings. Um, it's kind of a back and forth thing, I guess. The only thing I would point out is the way that is worded. It says hunting related um something. So, that would include target practicing. And you're you're basically across the river from uh Dock Park is where you're at back in there to the to the west. So spoke to a couple neighboring properties down in there which Mr. Paulie himself going around to the neighbors. So wait and see what that uh what that looks like. I believe in the police committee we had asked the owner of this property to [clears throat] consult with his neighboring and adjoining properties to get [snorts] their consent. Do we have any results from that?

I do not yet. Just that he he had talked with the neighbors that we we had requested and that was a positive response. The uh the one that we had asked was the folks who live inside city limits. Sure. Right. Yeah. But uh and and we there has been a positive response from all from that area. Yeah. Um, do I sense a hesitation about the target practice component of it? Well, I just I just don't want the council to believe that this is just hunting during hunting seasons. So, sure,

potentially at any time they can be down there target practicing and and unless we do something specific in the ordinance. we have that capability of verbiage to to decipher that to some degree. Yeah. So the council could direct that certain activities, you know, be restricted inside the city limits of course. So it could be carefully crafted. And I think what um, you know, the city is looking for would be input from the public, you know, to see if this is something that

is wanted, you know, needed. Obviously, you know, enrolling these kinds of lands in the IHAB program, you know, seems to be something that the state would look on favorably, but it may not be for every community. Sure. So if this 20 acres doesn't go in there, this is this it sounds like this is part of a larger parcel that wouldn't restrict him from hunting on the other 50 acres or whatever it is. Correct. Just wouldn't be able to do it on this specific parcel of that part of the uh the total property. Yeah, you're correct. Okay.

I really have no problem with setting a public hearing. However, already I've been contacted by someone that has asked about their land, you know, about maybe trying to hunt on their land. Okay. Didn't have a lot of these details that, you know, where it's at and why and all of that, which I informed and they kind of backed off already. But, you know, I I don't I think that will I I think there will be more rather than fewer that are going to ask then. Yeah. But a public hearing is a public hearing. Yeah. And I think this particular location um not saying that that it's a go by any means. I mean, that's why you have a public hearing.

The location of it and being so far removed from the city center Mhm. you know, would be preferable, you know, than other locations that might be within the city limits. You know, bullets tend not to respect boundaries. Based off of the geo fencing line that I drew, the closest border of this property in question was approximately 700 yd from the closest inhabited building, which puts it greater than the DNR's 250, I believe. 250 yard. Yeah. The SIM key. Uh, correct. Yeah. How about the distance to Dundick Park and the walking trail down there? Further than that. It's further than that. 700 yards. Okay.

Cold. Uh, would the public hearing be on creating a variance or an actual change to the ordinance that would open the door for other folks to potentially do what's being asked here? Yeah. So the ordin without speaking obviously the council would be helping to craft this but the ordinance itself would be something that would be crafted to allow in specific locations. So this wouldn't be discharging in these instances. It would be discharging in this one location this 28. So it' be very specific to just that area and that's how that ordinance would be read. Okay. I'd move to hold the public hearing and I'll second that. Winklin. Hi,

Wetri. Hi, Sloan. Hi, Jackson. I Aaron Holtz. Hi. Item B, a solo project uh with potential action regarding easements or contracts.

Yeah. So, just f first of all, um we had posted in an amended agenda yesterday and timely posted it to include uh two resolutions. So, one resolution would deal with uh approving and accepting uh the easements then for Red Lion uh solar and then there's also a second resolution then dealing with the the contract with with Red Lion. So, just the update on on that. The city had received proposals from three solar companies about uh installing so solar installations at various sites at public facilities. So looking at I believe it was like 11 sites with the city. Uh so as we we received these three proposals, two of them were were uh were really solid proposals and and were really deeply uh um looked at through the finance committee. So the uh as as they looked into both of these proposals did get to the point where they're analyzing analyzing savings in in year one versus what it things would look like in in the future and ultimately do come uh with the recommendation then to the to the city council that we would go ahead and and work with red lines. So if if Luke or Harry would have anything on that? No, other than uh yeah, Scott really stated it and that is that we had two really very similar proposals and uh when we one was they were kind of apples to oranges. It took us a little bit of time to sort uh some of that out, but when all was done and again, we met yesterday and uh our committee uh determined that Red Lion was was our best bet at this point and uh we're we're ready to move forward with those.

Mhm. Yeah. And that was that decision was met after meeting multiple times, conferring with each of the each of the companies. Uh like Harry said, trying to get things as like and kind as possible. And uh also I visited the sites uh at at least one of the the companies and confirmed that the we made the right decision and uh I agree the finance committee did select Red Lion as the one to choose. Can either the finance committee or red line remind us again of the estimated potential savings in the year and then over the life of this uh of this.

Yeah, I think we've got Terry Gorak here with uh yeah I think I know Terry with Redline Renewal. So that's

yeah the ones we've selected um what we're projecting is that after a full year of production about 27,000 uh a year and then it'll increase you know at depending on what Alliant does with their rates. Uh we did change to a 2% escalator instead of a 2 and a half just to help the help the city out a little bit. And then over the 30-year life uh of the project, if things go as planned, should be close to $3 million in savings for the city. And mind you, it's all privately funded. There's no out of pocket other than paying David to look over the contract um to the city.

I move to approve this resolution. Yeah, just just clarification on this then that uh so we're going to ask you for two different things and one would be the first resolution would be to approve easements and then the second resolution will be to consider contracting. Yeah. Um was the estimation on savings assuming you're going to do something at the rec center and the library take into account if they both expand in the coming future? They are based on what's currently there now, right? Okay. So, they're not We can always expand later. Okay.

But they were based on current usage. The library uh there is some timing. So, we're contracting to do it all. There will be some timing. Obviously, the library may revise once the library's plan gets finalized. Okay. And we'll work together to figure out what makes sense. Okay. And some of these, I mean, we may get down the road and a lion may throw a a monkey wrench in and say, "Hey, we don't we think you need to pay us a couple hundred thousand to upgrade our electrical systems." And then it gets to be up maybe not. Okay. Type of thing that happens. Okay. So, um, but yeah, our current it's based on current consumption.

Okay. And for the library and park center, you had said that if they're on the roof, they're mobile enough, like if the configuration changes that you would be able to move them. Yes. I mean, they're the the rooftop systems for the library for here. They're ballasted. So, they're just weighted down with bricks.

So, if we have to move them, you know, at some point there's a re-roof at some point in time because these are 30-year life. Most your roofs are 25 year life. So, it's an erector set. We take it apart, put it back together after it's re-ruffed. I That's the easiest. No penetrations. Don't like penetrations because water seems to find them. Um, and we don't want to deal with that either. So, yeah, great questions. Anymore? Just to be clear then, I move to approve the easement. Okay. Second. Wetrick. Hi, Erin Holtz. Hi, Jackson. I Sloan. Hi,

Winkleman. Hi. And for the second resolution, I also move to approve the uh power and services contract with Red Line. Second. Aaron Holtz. I Jackson. I Wkelman. Hi, Sloan. Hi, Week.

Hi. Just to close the book on that. So on the easement uh resolution that you had passed, couple things. One, if you recall from your December meeting, you had uh passed a resolution to have a public hearing. You had that at the previous. No action was taken. This is the action that's being taken on that, the easement, not necessarily the contract. Second, there are nine properties listed on that easement. If the city would ever want to expand one of those, let's just say library expands from its current footprint or the city acquires other land which would be suitable for something like this, then you'd have to go through that process again for those expanded. You wouldn't have to redo any of the current properties. You just expand and add a 10th, 11th, 12th, whatever makes sense for you guys.

Thank you very much. And if you don't mind, I'm going to take off. [laughter] I got a two and a half hour drive. Thank you. Thank you. Look forward to Thank you, Jerry. It seems like this is getting to be my home. I'm here so much, but [laughter] might as well do that. [clears throat] Item C is considered a purchase of an aerial lift. Yeah. With that, uh the aerial lift information was included in in your uh packet. We when we we we had amended the agenda also mayor about the catalyst grant uh application and we just want to make sure that that that's attended to. So if we want to do that now we sure

yeah let's go ahead and do I don't have that on the cover sheet. So this this would be that the the city would authorize an application for a catalyst grant. Um you want to speak a little bit to that Matt? It's a 111 uh South Chestnut

North Ches North of Lincoln Way. Um yeah, the the old Baxley Transportation Building. Um and so this is a a grant through the IEDA and there's a pre-application process just to see if you can make the cut to be asked to apply and this the city just needs to be the applicant. It's no money for the city or anything. There's kind of a a functioning pass through. So um so the building is being purchased and and will be working on for renovations top and bottom. So

so the lower port if I understand correctly the lower portion commercial potentially two businesses operating out of the lower portion and then living for the other parts. And is that two apartments up top or one large one? Um it's at least two potentially three. Yeah. Yep. It needs a complete complete work over got a job remodel all together. So, yep. Matt, remind me again of what that is or was that building? Uh gosh, it's been out of operation. It's it's it was like a a home base for a transportation company, trucking company, and hasn't been in business for

a number of years now. It's been sitting vacant. The upper story hasn't had people living in it probably since the best guess like early early 1900s. Wow. So it's which is not entirely uncommon for upper story in downtown actually. So so as you think about the location of this is the storefront to the south of Doc Stadium. Okay. Right. Oh yes. Now thank you for that. It's

Yeah. But it's but it's the only it's what there's three buildings on that on that part of the square that have upper story living opportunities. So addressing housing, you know, one way or another, whether it's a B&B situation or or long-term lease. So that's a great one one of those buildings that we just didn't know if anything was ever going to happen. So very excited that there's a few potential to bring it back into the community, you know, with two bu two businesses, too. Sure. I' I'd move to approve the application for the catalyst grant for that property. I'll second that being said, you're going to

I don't I don't have any direct impact on this project for some matters and everything, but I probably will be working with the the building owners to to help them along. So thought just to be safe we're sorry I'll let him stay Jackson. Hi Sloan. Hi Aaron Holtz. Hi Winklin. Hi.

Okay. Now consider the purchase of Ariel Beth. So this was included in your packet as far as what the the pictures of of the proposed purchase would be. This is uh same height as what our our current lift is. It's just replacing that uh that really out outdated and and older piece of of equipment that uh has really some maintenance issues and and replacing it with a much with a much tighter machine. This is a budgeted expense. Um and the the net cost of this $40,5500 it would be uh proposed to be purchased from Mid Country Machining. There was a second bid that was uh was higher than that and would not take a trade. So I went to the water sewer streets committee and recommended for approval.

So we're trading the old one. They're trading the old one. Okay. Yep. And what uh is the main use of this piece of equipment? Main you know the main use. So, it's a man lift for use for anything, but they use it primarily for trees, but and then uh for um you know, downtown banners for for doing any light maintenance to lights, anything like that where they need to uh to be elevated. All right. And how old is the old machine? I don't know. It's got over 7,000 hours on it. Okay. It's well well used and the whole thing's getting loose and it

as Dave indicated uh I mean there's even some questions about safety and being able to correct the thing where they feel that they've got safety issues. So that's it's time to trade. That's the perfect answer right there. I think I think when we bought it, it was pretty well used then when we got it. So yeah, if it puts our street guys at risk, then it's time. Sure. Well, it saves them going up in the bucket of a loader. We don't do that. We don't want to do that. No. Uh was that the forestry unit? That's on there, too.

It is. It be the next part of the same package. I I'd move to approve uh that including the forestry unit. Well, they're two separate. Oh, they that's separate. Two separate ones. Yeah. Oh, I got you. Sorry. Yep. The area left. I I move to approve that. Second. Sloan. Iron Holtz. Hi. Jackson. Hi. Wkelman. Hi. We hi. Item D is considered purchase of a forestry attachment. [laughter]

So, this is this is a forestry attachment that would go on a Bobcat. So, think about it as as a front grinder that I mean, if you're thinking of it as as a brush hog, it is much bigger than a than a brush hog. And the capacity of this forestry attachment is to do trees that are up to 9 in in diameter. So, they would really using this for for grubbing and ground clearing. Um Dave had had made this request um as they had they had budgeted funds for that aerial lift and came in significantly under what the budget was. So they would use the remainder of those dollars then to to purchase the forestry attachment and then it does require some additional funds which would come from the uh be paid by the sewer fund. But uh these would all be budgeted budgeted items uh and uh [clears throat] no budget amendment necessary. So this does include then the forestry attachment requires a special door to use with the skid loader then because it uh u it throws every everything potentially back at the at skid loader. So it has a special forestry door. Total on this $38,700. Again taken before the uh water sewer streets committee and and recommended for for approval. Do they have a similar piece of equipment like this that they've been using already or

they would not have what what would be similar is is okay and for the skin would be a would be a brush hog would be something that's a little it it's not as it can't do as much but something that's kind of similar when they get into stuff that they could can use on trees. They do have a one that they can use on their mini excavator and and it'll elevate and and trim like trim the sides of trees in in dense areas and they have used that um and and had had mixed results with it and and have problems using it with the uh with their many um what projects are they planning on working on with this?

Yeah, a lot of it might be clean up around uh around lift stations was was the initial ideas that that it was proposed for. and he said Dob and Dick Park, they're getting a lot of a lot of uh uh concerns down there with [clears throat] the keeping that up for the disc golf and the and the trail. I think this will be used on other projects cuz I know down in the valleys down by I think Edgewood where there is utility places to maintain this machine will do it. Sure. And you know it's expensive but it's budgeted and I think it's piece of equipment that'll be put to use.

Move to approve. Second Wman. I sw I Jackson Iron Holmes.

Hi. Item E is consider engineering agreement for improvement of project to the alley north of Doc Stadium. So this has been a uh a discussion item here we were recently about about that alley by by Doc Stadium as as Doc's uh stadium building itself was making some some improvements uh and really having some drainage concerns um and problems with with their foundation. and it's and looking at this as being a good time to address that that alley. Um know that there there'll be some some concerns about just replacing that alley and what the process might look like. So we have gotten Bolton and Mink involved in in order to uh be able to do the proper engineering on that. So when I included in your in your packet was the original memorandum that Jim had provided about these the status of the of the alley and then and then the uh um projected improvements which would just be would be replacing the alley with with the concrete alley. But then um we also did take a proposal then from Bolton to make about providing the engineering services on that and there's a cost estimate for the project. Um in total looks like engineering uh on this is proposed at $16,000 but total project cost including engineering is $85,100. Jim wants to speak to that.

Yeah. So, uh, basically it would be, uh, a small little project of, uh, getting the topographic survey completed, uh, going through the design, um, meeting with property owners for both the north and south sides, uh, discussing, uh, issues they may have or concerns they may have. Um and then basically when it comes to uh the construction services, the bidding and the construction services, uh the intent is to include that as an alternate on the Westwood sidewalk project. So, it would be bid along with Westwood, but it would be a separate um set of items and stuff so that if it came in higher than anticipated or didn't fit the budgets, you would be able to not accept that and still accept Westwood. um with uh it's they're both flat concrete work product projects, but uh Westwood is kind of more uh a 6 in or 6t wide sidewalk kind of more out in the open, whereas the alley is a little bit more confined space with other things around. So, we wanted to keep those quantities separate and bid them separately.

And this is kosher. You know, we approved Westwood last time to do this along with it. This doesn't go into the, you know, the Westwood tiff anything or or I mean or the budget that we already approved for those three things, Westwood, Fire Engine, and McKinley. Yeah. So, as you look at that now, this might be be financed. We're looking at we would finance those three you just listed. It comes in uh financed through through that general obligation bond. Maximum on that would be $2 million. There is some some funding that would be available for this included in that in that level of bonding. If we wanted to bond for that much, we sure could.

And we can bond for other things as long as the price is under the $2 million.

Certainly. And you know, in this case, it's a it is a essential corporate purpose for for infrastructure work. And yeah, I can this the city council can make that decision. And the story behind this is still that we think that this was an abandoned coal trolley thing that brought coal into the courthouse when they had a boiler system and all that from well we don't we don't really know and maybe if Jim wants to to speak to any of that that it's largely unknown but the the best information that we had yet was that it likely is not a big tunnel underneath there but it's a a utility chase, you know, and it's a smaller conduit that that has pipe in it or conduit pipe that has

So what happens that and you find a big tunnel in a mess that the city sealed what 40 years ago

that would I really think there's something there. So I think this could be a big sour egg. I I think there needs to be I think you need to dig a big hole and see what's under there cuz if we're going to spend all this money on all these fees, we need to know what's there cuz there's just couple people around that know about it. There's rumors everywhere and I I really think there's something there and I don't I'd hate to do all this work and spend a lot more money and do it again. You think there's something there? Something live like you know.

No, there's I've always heard there's tunnels there. I've heard it 30 years ago. I've been in discussions with that uh my dad had with people. They were talking about it and I I really believe there's something there and we need to know before we do this. Maybe there's not, but I I really believe you're going to, you know, find something there that can't be covered up or know or that would uh affect affect the stability of whatever we replace there. You're saying Well, we don't know how they were sealed and done however many years ago. I mean, I could be wrong, but I've heard way too much on it. [clears throat] And

Jim, what can you speak to what the initial thoughts, initial plan A would be for for remedying what you see now?

For what we see now is all surface. There doesn't appear to be any kind of area that is collapsing or sinking from anything weak underneath that we can see. Um, so the intention and what we planned here is basically to go in and remove the top and and uh put an extra 6 in of rock underneath what's there. Um, but the intention would be not to mess with anything that we've, you know, not look for anything underneath that. Um, I guess if it happened that it collapsed during construction, then it would have to be dealt with as a change order at that time. So, it may not be the alley, but Cranston showed me, and I think he's shown others, too, that it is causing I mean, there's concern with that there's gaps into his building and things like that. Do you agree with that? And the other building.

Well, there's there's gaps in their foundations, but they're 100-y old foundations. So, so you don't think it's related? It would be pretty speculative as I guess probably the point, but Right. Yeah. I'm not a geotech or a sure structural to say what is causing that but this this alley is city property

running between there and then is that open use to go from Dollar General to the main square? Yeah, that's that would be one of the next discussions that we would have is about use of that property because for several years and I don't know how many um that the city had an agreement with Doc Stadium and Docs used that as their outdoor service area. Now that the that lease has expired and it would be up to the city then and and Docs to work out a renewal on that if that's what they want. Otherwise, there's there's opportunities there about about having it be an open passageway. I've talked with Brett about that and he certainly would like to continue to utilize that outdoor space.

It's been I think he probably did that shortly after Iowa passed that you couldn't smoke inside of bars because that's what he used it for, right? It was done uh when uh by the Red Ferns because the uh the big thing at the time they just wanted to do something like that was they had outdoor patios. They wanted to have an outdoor patio. I see. And that's what And this was probably done back 80s. I see. I suppose

if I understand correctly, because this is getting a little off topic here, but because it is considered an outdoor eating space, it's not technically a smoking area. Oh, okay. It is pretty narrow for someone to drive through there, though. I would No, it would be pedestrian like the other three square. Yeah. Yep. And then previous lease, was there any financial benefit to the city? No. Okay. I think it was nominal. I think it was like $10 or something like that. Okay.

So, we need a motion if we're going to Yeah, I guess I move to approve. I'll second Holtz. I Jackson. I Sloan I Waitri I Wkelman I

item F is considering a letter of engagement with Bolton me to conduct an inspection of the water tower. Jim, as I said, I think we all got a text or an email from a citizen that wanted just to have details about um what exactly entails uh being certified to inspect and do what's asked here for water towers and what those uh certifications are.

Okay. So, uh I guess uh Boltink has staff that are uh codings and welding specialists that specifically do uh inspections on towers and they do uh construction inspection during uh the construction of a new tower. Um they are uh AMP senior codings inspector. Uh I don't know what that acronym is. Uh they're formerly NACE that's formerly NACE level 3. Uh that's the coding side. And then they're also AWS certified weld inspectors uh for you know inspecting welds and doing that um stuff. [snorts] They also will uh review the interior wet areas of the of the tower uh using a remote operated vehicle. So, an ROV to uh review the inside of the wet areas and then look at uh potential for how much sediment is in there. Um and you know provide still images and video of that system and then they do a visual inspection of the exterior um areas that they can see. Uh they do go up through the tower in the dry areas inside the tower and review all that with the uh the uh uh tower structure um ladders, the cages, uh safety climb systems, uh platforms and handrails and all that. Um they look at the uh circulation pumps, mixing systems, uh SCADA or tele telemetry equipment. Um the inlet outlet overflows, drainage and other piping. Uh they look at the ground foundation connections. Uh any

electrical components or any uh on-site telecommunications equipment. Um so they do provide you know recommendations uh based on current uh standards uh from regulatory agencies including the OSHA for clims and and such like that uh AWA American Waterworks and uh state of Iowa and then provide uh written evaluation report for it. So Scott, if I understand correctly, a couple years ago, we received a report on the water tower. What was the scope of that report?

So that and [clears throat] yeah, so this was from 23 was the date the date on this uh report and it came from from a water tower uh vendor, you know, so it's it's a a uh vendor that that builds and maintains water towers. So we did ask them to to come give us basically it's a proposal uh about the the uh status of the water tower and when work would need to be done. So and and even with that it shows some signs that that things have needed to be done. We had planned for years that there will be a painting of of the water tower. So this would be painting an interior and exterior painting. So when you you think about about painting the inside of of the water tower, that's the uh the inside wet part where all of the water is, but then there's also the inside dry part. And we've seen some of the photos of the inside dry part which are already really starting to uh to to need some attention. So it's been planned for years and we've been saving money then to to undertake this this project. just what we would look at now out of having this study done has a lot to do with timing on this. So is it that we need to do this this uh this project right away or can we can we have it have it wait for another 2 3 4 years whatever it might be and it's it's important for for some other considerations for the water tower because one thing has to happen and and a second thing probably should. So depending on the timing about when the painting needs to occur if if that can wait another year or two or three we need to clean the interior which is not a huge undertaking but but it per the DNR has to be cleaned from time to time and it's time for that to be done here shortly. But the other the other thing that that's noticeable is that the exterior of the of the tower also is is getting to the point where it looks dirty. And what that is is mildew

growth on the outside of the of the tower. So we can we can have a contractor come in and clean the exterior of the tower. That would be pretty pricey. So when what we do with the with the inspection has largely to do with timing about when we would do the project and if we would choose to do these other cleanings prior to to uh doing the water tower project. Does the mildew have to be cleaned off before it's repainted? Yeah, it it would all be part of the of the painting project that Yeah,

there's actually uh on this tower there's a clear coat on the exterior that um over that was used early in the '9s, early 2000s I think it was and that has proven to show failures and this is starting to show that failure and so that has to be removed before any new coatings can be put on. Um, so part of the inspection would be on the interior wet areas to see how much sediment is there is doesn't you know and what time what the timing is on needing to clean that. Um, so you're not just doing it because it's been x number of years. You're doing it because it needs it. And then the exterior would be looking at the coatings that are there and what needs to be done to make sure that you get good adhesion on new coatings. And I believe the interior [clears throat] dry areas have shown indications of lead paint and so there would be an abatement with that as well. So those all things will be considered.

You said you had some money saved on this Scott. How much money does the city have saved towards the water tower? Right around half million dollars now. And so that's different than the w the money saved for the water plant. It is. Okay.

Yep. But having said that, and we've saved money for for years and have saved something over a half million dollars, the estimated project cost on this repainting is a million dollars or more. And uh that's why is in in my way of thinking, that is why we're going to we'd want to do this inspection. Now, you're laying the groundwork for a successful painting project at some point, but you don't want to do that before you have to. you know, we we would want to give us the chance to save money for for a few more years if we get that opportunity, but if it if it truly needs to be done now, we would proceed.

When did the when did we begin saving that half million? This is way before my time. Sure. After we baited it the first time. Okay. So, if the coatings are failing, will that lead to degradation of the underlying metal and Yeah, I mean any anytime you get rust appearing on metal, you're going to get some deterioration. Whether how bad it is is part of the inspection to see um you know I that's pretty heavy material, so I don't think you're looking at structural immediately, but it could potentially get there. Yes.

What is the the the year requirement between uh cleanings from the DNR? I want to know those years for for certain before I tell you Matt, but it is just a handful of years and we are at that point. So it but this is something that's routine and when when we when we do the interior cleaning the last time that we did it brought somebody in and it and they dive in the tank while there's water in it and and it cost $6,500 to to have them clean it last time. It' be a little bit more now, I'm sure, but uh it that that's not a a a huge investment. If we would look at the exterior cleaning, that would be significantly more.

And what is the proposed cost of this inspection? 6 $6,500.

Move to approve. Second. Mayor Billy. Yeah, go ahead. Um, is the 65 including the remote vehicle or is that just the dry part of the inspection? No, it's all interior, wet, interior, dry, and exterior. Okay. The old tower. And is the tower not part of the city's capital improvement plan or is it part of the capital improvement plan? It is. the the painting is is proposed in the plan at 2728 and part of part of the part of this inspection and study would be to know that that timing is right.

Okay. Just to confirm what you have set up in your CIP is kosher. Okay. Winkleman. Hi. Hi Sloan. Hi Jackson. Hi and Holtz. I

item G is consider approval of pay estimate number 34 to Shade Constructors Incorporated of 20,688.76 for the wastewater treatment plant project. Uh yes. So this is uh for work through um the end of the year essentially. Um and it includes uh the small amount for uh continued work on uh some change order and some field order items. Uh mainly field order 26 and field order 27. Um some of the work we had a uh progress meeting last Wednesday. Uh some of the pinch punchless work that's been completed. They got uh grit pump startup done. Uh we do have some other tweaks to that before we can get it up and running and get a complete verification of it. Um uh aation kick tank was another issue that has been resolved. Uh there was a floor drain issue that's been resolved. Uh the air air bubbler system on the digtor was plugged. That has been resolved. Um and the compressors were kicking out due to overheating or heat issues. uh that has been resolved as well. Um so things are moving along. I think the intention is for next month's meeting would be the uh final payment all but retainage type of payment. This is not a final. This is just another uh progress payment. Next month would be uh hopefully everything is completed that it will be a uh final payment as far as uh nothing additional coming on afterwards. Um, and we would recommend payment of the uh $20,688.76.

If you had to, maybe this is unfair. If you had to guess what next month's ask is going to be, do you have any idea? Um, off the top of my head, no. Uh, but let's see. There's uh see on that, but next month we're looking to cross the finish line.

Yes, there's uh looks like all of the items have now been gone up to 100%. Uh so I would suspect that a lot of it will be the uh the remaining retainage that we have um which I believe is the 183,000 I think and so when they do the release of retainage that will come that will be they ask [clears throat] but that is usually the the project is approved approved by you as complete. Um, and then the pay estimate is approved and then that 30 then then it's waited 30 days until all the uh lean waiverss and stuff have come through and there's no claims against the project and then if that's uh if that's the case then that money is released after 30 days. So, but that would most likely be the ask for next month. I move to approve.

Second. Hi, Jackson. Hi, Sloan. Hi, Weer. Hi, Nichol. Hi. Item H is work on the physical 2627 budget.

Yeah, I just wanted to go [clears throat] through a few things with the the council as a whole. So, the the finance committee has been uh working diligently on on uh on the draft of of what a budget would look like and uh have have got to the point now where where we uh can address a few of of the issues and want to go through a couple of those things with with the council as a whole. So, you had these sheets of paper that were were on your uh on your table tonight. If you want to just walk through these things, specifically looking at at property tax. So, I give you a property tax analysis that compares this current fiscal year versus the next fiscal year. Couple things to to point out. And just as we walk across the uh the columns in this top line is is 100% valuation. And then you can compare what it has been during this current fiscal year 2526 [clears throat] versus what's proposed for the for next year 2627. See that it's uh the 100% valuation goes up 7.3%. Now fact is we're not taxed on 100% of that. It's it's taxed based on taxable valuation. And uh for the residential properties uh specifically there's a large roll back. See about four lines down you'll see what that roll back has been. this this current year is 47.3% next year it goes down to 44.5%. So that decreases the amount of of funds or the ultimately funds but decreases the the amount that each home is taxed on then as the the taxable valuation rolls down. To look at the second line down about taxable valuations compare the 157 million for this current year versus the 165 million for next year. So one of the big numbers on this

spreadsheet then is 5.17. The tax valuation increases 5.17 uh% then from last year to this year. You see what the dollar change is there. Then I've listed the the tiff value. Fact is the tiff value doesn't change much because we don't uh because our total tiff asking doesn't change as far as dollars either. So um not not too much of a change on that. But you look at the bottom, it shows how we how we levy property taxes. TGFL is total general fund uh levy. And then there's some additional levies that go on that for insurance, FICA, diipers, and other employee benefits. And then we levy debt service. So this this uh budget has been approached with the idea that we we would uh first try to maintain that same property tax levy in total as what it has been for this for this current year. So the bottom line on that current year $14.88 what is proposed for this upcoming year $14.88 per,000 of taxable valuation. Okay, so I I told you that in total the the uh taxable valuation went up that 5.17%. So that's half the equation, right? Valuation times levy equals dollars. So as you look down at the lower right hand corner of that, then it'll tell you about the increase in dollars. So this does propose that dollars increase goes up 5.02%. So you see to the where the total dollars um the total dollars would increase in property taxes. So and I certainly want the want the uh u the citizens to to understand this that you know the city will be asking for some for some additional dollars. Okay. We go

into this with the notion that the levy stays the same and this the levy will stay the same. And that's really my my philosophy on on taxing is that stability stability is great and you avoid any of those big big ups and downs over the years, but if if we're stable in levy, the the total dollars do go up and it's that it's that 5.02%. When uh if a homeowner saying to you, "My taxes are going up 5%." And that's that would just likely not be true for two two reasons. Remember the the residential roll back went down that about 3%. Plus that 5% in valuation in includes any new valuation that's been created in the community. So uh when you look at at things and what the effect is to an individual, it it would not be would not be likely be this 5%. In total, it it is that there's 5% additional dollars um proposed for for property tax revenue. So, say we get a 10% assessment increase, so we're paying more taxes based on what the county raises our assessments to. That's so we could drop the levy and you're still going to get more money because everybody's assessments increase every year. That's a fair statement because it's that equation. You levy, excuse me, the assessment and the levy. That's two parts of the equation. So, yeah, it does it does happen. uh like that. But uh uh again this this would be the proposal. This is the basis that the uh the finance committee then has started to to work on the draft of the budget. Then

did you have a question? Go ahead. Yeah. The legislaturator is working on property tax renewing. Is any of that are any of the bills that are proposed to take effect this coming July 1? In other words, at the start of the new year that you're working budget on. Nothing that we've heard of is proposed to take effect for this upcoming budget. Yeah.

Okay. Likely the next year. And I fact of the matter is I would anticipate that something is done on property taxes. You know, there's been there certainly has been enough talk about that and uh really would would expect that that would happen. What it would be is is really unknown right now.

Thanks. So just uh next page there just a few budget notes. And so of course a a large portion of of our budget every year does deal with salaries. So the first note there is about union bargaining. We have a a a proposal exchange that's scheduled for Friday, January 30th. But fact of the matter is that that may or or may not even happen. We've not received the proposal from from the union and in order for us to exchange proposals, we would need to have opportunity to create what ours would be. So, um just know that uh that the the uh um the completed union deal needs to be in place by the end of March. And it and it's the uh it's the union's responsibility to make sure that happens. So, um there's there's placeholders in the budget as far as what numbers would be for for salaries, but nothing has uh nothing's even begun yet on union bargaining. Item number two talks about tiff for for administration and economic development. We we had that uh that internal tiff debt issuance that had some money then that could be used for administration and for economic development uh uses. What we found out as we went through this this budget process is those dollars come into the general fund and it's those dollars that will allow us to to be able to um basically make the the general fund operate without a significant loss. So um just know that those dollars have been incorporated into the budget.

I believe those tiff dollars that you're talking about that's that's total 220,000. It's $100,000 for administration, $120,000 for for exact part of what we took from our water department. It is. Yeah. Okay. Which that could take care of the water tower if so we needed it. So we don't have to scramble down the road and shoot water rates up.

Right. So I would tell you Chad that the proposal on repayment has $500 and some thousand of that going back into the account next year. Uh item number 330 there talks about some expenses from water. Just as we look at the water, we it is proposed in the budget that there is a salary in there for a water superintendent, but it also has has the fees in there for people's service. So it it would be a very limited time when we would actually spend both of those fees at the same time. But just as we look at the at the numbers, both of those are in there and it makes the the water uh department look like it's it's spending some significant dollars when when again we won't spend for both the superintendent and people service contract at the same time other than potentially a two-month overlap. Item number four talks about a landfill fee increase and we have received notice from from the Metro Waste Landfill that the the landfill fees at the the Perry Landfill Metro West is is going up significantly going up. What was the number? 60

uh 67%. About 67%. It ends up being about $60,000 for our tipping fees. We currently um is it possible to shop around or is that kind of our where we're stuck? That is that is our landfill. Oh, I see. And that is that is, you [snorts] know, so Metro Waste is, you know, they they have have at least two landfills. They got the really big landfill on the east side of De Mo,

Metro Park, Metro Park East, and then they have the smaller one that's up by Perry or South Rippy. and you know their their rationalization there on these large tipping fee increases deal with h no longer having their big landfill subsidize their little landfill that that the little landfill charges would be based on on actual cost. So we have received notice of this rate increase with the rate increase there to go into effect on uh on July 1st this year. We would look at what the impact would be then on our retail landfill fees that we charge our customers. Currently, we charge $3.50 per month on your utility bill for landfill fees. And we'll do an analysis on that to uh to see what the what the impact would be on those on those fees. But uh it it would likely be some amount of that certainly being passed through to the customer. Recycling then is is another item that that I included there. Just as some notes about us continuing to work with to work with Green County about uh continuing to do their recycling. We've met with them and uh negotiations are basically are have started and will continue to meet with them and got a couple different uh uh proposals I know that we have have talked through with them. Um I'm always remain optimistic that we are going to continue to provide recycling services for the county, you know, and they certainly want to uh explore their their alternatives and and how the they feel the county could could save some money and but we will we will certainly give them some options then too. uh it will have some impact to the city to reduce the amount of funds that we had received from the other from the other cities in the county that without a doubt that would go down.

Prior to them cancelling this proposal, wasn't our proposal lower than it was even last year? It was we we' given a a proposal that would would lower that cost and I would anticipate that uh you know they would request to go lower than that. And what was the hiccup with the recycling

that they they adopted out of of the 2080 agreement? You know, there was there was a couple things with that, you know, that basically they they received uh the board of supervisors had had received some advice from from the county attorney about whether they could opt out of their 280 agreement. They chose to do that, you know, and and it was whether they just wanted to opt out. There's an opt-out cause. You could do it with or without cause. The other part was that the city needed to provide them some renewal numbers on on what the uh what the renewal would be and we provide those for by the 1st of January. We provided them to them. I believe it was the 9th of January. It was after that. Okay. What was the hold up with being nine days late on that?

We I I'll take responsibility on that, Jeff, because I'm not going to We had staffing changes, but I'm not going to blame staffing changes. Mayor Barry. Yeah. Go ahead. Um, you all would have one more meeting prior to when recycling services would cease with the county on the 13th of February. That would need council action, right? If you were to renegotiate an agreement, that would have to be action by the board and by the council prior to the 13th. That I guess that would be that would be standard action. um to get things approved by that time.

Okay. So, the idea would be that negotiations would wrap up before the February 10th council meeting. Sure. Well, you could call a special meeting, I suppose, too, right? If you got that far. Okay. [snorts]

Yep. Uh couple the last two notes on that budget note page. First of all, we'll get into things on on the CIP, but the next thing that I just wanted you to flip to the next page in this week timeline on on what the uh what we would have for for a budget timeline because there's a couple of things that that need to happen. This next regular city council meeting on February 10th, there is some action from the council and it deals with setting a public hearing date regarding property taxes. Okay. So when when the council approves the budget, it's now a two-step process and there's two public hearing involved. There's one that is is exclusively for property taxes and then as you work your way to the end, there's a public hearing and uh and final which would finalize the uh the the budget then. So this week proposed that at the next council meeting we would have a uh a a resolution to set the public hearing date. that public hearing date would be on on March 31st. And you see that actually be a special meeting that it's a a requirement from the state that we need to hold a city council meeting that is single topic. This is the only topic that could that could be on this city council meeting is the public hearing for the further property taxes. So that's uh that would be the the proposal then that we would look at March 31st. So, if you can add that onto your onto your calendars and and be available for what would be the the property tax hearing there and then go ahead and uh set the the date for adoption of budget to be April 28th again. [clears throat] So, the budget just needs to be adopted by the end of April. [snorts] Any questions on timeline? Last thing I wanted to go through with

you is is this big sheet there is year one of the capital.

Bill, can I just ask a question? What's the status with the golf course and congregate meals in Greenwood? So, just that you know the study had been done. We received the study. There's been no action on that. There had been no action on it. There's been as far as any budget, there's nothing that's proposed budget-wise to to occur there. When we look at what next steps are on that is really focusing on the housing end of things and and if we could look at at gaining the interest of a housing developer, maybe that's something that we would still look at, but that would be the next the next thing is is to work with housing developers. But uh uh otherwise, nothing is pending with it.

So, it's been basically tableds at this point. It has. Yeah. I mean, there's been no action on it. How much money did we spend on doing that Greenwood survey and everything to have nothing come out of it? City's part was, I believe, $5,000. It's partnership between between the city um a a grant through Jefferson Telecom and Jefferson Telecom matched that with some money and then GCDC had quite a bit of money on. Do you know how much they had in it? 28ish. Yeah.

So, the last thing I wanted to go through is is just what is year one of the of the five-year capital improvements plan. Just the notion here being that if it's listed on year one of the plan, it's included in this draft of the budget. So, really, uh, we don't need to walk through all of these expenses. You guys can take a look at it. But again, if if it's included here, it it would be proposed to uh to be included in year one of the budget. Then when you look at some of of the colors or those highlights, those are changes from from what had uh had been proposed during when we initially drew it up last year. So, it is proposed that there that the city staff would undertake a a project about manholes on Highway 4. when you drive over those and and they they uh have dropped out a little bit, makes for a for a clunk every time you drive over them, they look at at uh being able to raise those manholes in those boxouts, but that largely is a uh it involves city staff a lot more than than uh uh capital investment.

So, what's the difference between orange and yellow then? Uh yellow had been on there previously and there've been some change to it. Okay. So, and orange is new and orange is new and gray. There's a couple of things there are gray and the grays had actually been removed.

Okay. So, again, just looking at at some of the the oranges, um, as we discussed with our with our uh our staff, you know, just coming up with the notion that the restroom updates had risen to the top, especially with staff about some needed improvements there. Now, these these are relatively minor and these are updates to the restroom primarily at Russell at Russell Park would be some structural stuff, but other than that, it's epoxy for it's basically a do-it-yourself epoxy 4 project at at the uh at the restroom. So, you see that's in there for $6,000. Um couple of of parks projects which are proposed to be funded with grants are included in there. So you see that uh um the [clears throat] Green County endowment grant project application for the year would be a new playground at at Shiitaka Park.

Scott, I I believe maybe in minor detail, but I believe those two are switched around for the grants they're applying for for through the park and wreck. I think the again maybe I'm think playground equipment is grow green. No, you're you're correct. and the um diving board and um impellers are uh community foundation.

Yeah. So that's uh those would be the two um grant projects that were proposed for this year. Another change or an addition that would is proposed is to do some maintenance on the roads out at the cemetery. And this would just be seal coating than the the roads out at the at the cemetery funded with some sales tax dollars. Okay, you see that the water tower cleaning is is listed on CIP. And this then becomes part of that question to be answered through the through the study is, you know, would would we look at including this water tower cleaning in the uh in this upcoming year's budget or would we choose not to do that and just go straight to the painting? Okay, we likely won't have the answer before it's time to do budget, but these uh these numbers then would be would be included there to be able to do the cleaning. You look at the bottom section of this, the bottom section then is equipment. And again, looking at at the gray, those those are items that that were removed had been proposed for uh backo in the parks or cemetery that that had been removed. and one of the dump trucks uh that had been removed then as far as uh um postponing those in in the prod uh into in the plan. Um top line there that replacing the Chevrolet Kodak that's the fire truck. So we've we purchased the chassis of the fire truck and then would would [clears throat] pay for the remainder during 2627 when it's delivered. Other than that, we look at uh adding a grapple bucket uh small uh additional cost for for parks and cemetery. That uh fourth line from the bottom, that 2015 Ford actually is included in the budget to be spent this current calendar, this current fiscal year. Um and but it's in

the water department and as we don't have a water superintendent now, you know, Dave would would say, you know, we're not going to expend those those dollars until that truck is is truly needed. So it'd be postponed for a year. Uh police department looking looking at rifles and then there's actual dollars there about the the trade in of that the uh what's described as the ad the admin F-150. This is Jason's truck then that the assistant chief drives and there would be a new truck proposed then to be paid from the internal service funds. Those those are the items. Those would be the the new and different items that would be proposed for for capital improvements. Otherwise the uh the other items were included in the capital improvements plan as it was was formulated last year.

Can you speak to the automation under library? Yeah, that that deals with the circulation program. Okay. and that deals with the circulation program and they have begun some discussion on that but uh and and being able to update that program. They've really just begun some discussion on it and and we can include that as a potential expense out of the internal service fund which is our savings capital fund and it may or may not be ready to occur by this time.

The circulation program, can you elaborate on that? Uh how do you describe the circulation program? The uh um library [laughter] when we have have this and it's called the automation system at the library. It it is you know how how all of the books are cataloged in electronically and that's how they're checked out electronically. Okay. Gotcha. The modern Dewey decimal kind right. Uh, can you speak to Scott? You mentioned about city staff looking at improvements with manholes on a state highway. Why is city staff involved if it's a state highway?

Because the the manholes on the highway are the city's responsibility. So there we do have have maintenance agreements with with the DOT that detail who's responsible for what and then that would be our responsibility because they're servicing the city. They're not servicing the state. The manholes. Yeah. Yep. Any questions? Well, that's it. So again, if it were come before the city council next time about setting the public hearing date on on the on the property tax levy. Yeah.

Okay. Uh Jim, uh Westwood Sidewalk Project. Uh we are getting a survey scheduled hopefully for next week. um looking to get a mailer out to all the property owners so that they know that's going to be there or that we're going to be around there. Um and since DOC was approved tonight, we'll plan on having them do that block, that alley block uh while they're in town. And then uh drainage district 57, we continue to review existing conditions and working on that. So that's all no report. Damon, no report. Scott, I have nothing. Greg.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. No, nothing tonight other than just a a heads up that next month I will be before you with my quarterly and then an update uh at the request of council member Sloan on the east of business park development too. So other than that, that's all I have. If there's any other questions, thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Mark. Chad,

a couple weeks ago, our rural housing assessment housing committee met um with the main topic of how to best use our grant funds that have been allocated to us. We have $25,000 um as a part of that assessment. And um what we came up with was rehabbing another property. So, I spoke with Carla Janning a few weeks ago. We partnered with Region 12 on another project, 105 North Walnut, and that one was going along well, and she felt like after she sold that house, she would have enough funds to do a third project in Jefferson. So, kind of looked around the community, tried to identify a property that might fit that best. Um, and I, um, had presented to the committee a property, it's 405 East Garfield Street. It's on a dead end street just right next to the to the bike trail. It's a house that's been abandoned for several years, overgrown. Um, but it was built in the 70s. I think it'd be a good project to rehab. Um, I had approached or had a conversation with the property owners and they've verbally committed to um, selling that property to be part of that project. So,

and you said the last thing that Carla and Region 12 had is finished now. No, no, no. It's not finished. No. Oh, I thought they just had to No, the that the house has been roofed and then has new siding on it, but they're just working on the on the interior of that. Oh, I thought they were finishing that. No, but she just felt like when she did get that project complete that she'd have enough funds left over with some additional monies from a housing trust fund that the city had had participated in that were they completely done with the garage though? With the garage that needs painted still. Yeah. No, there's they're not completely done with. Okay. Anything? No. Probably a little chilly to paint. I

a little chilly to paint. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they just got a temp power on it down there on Walnut. So, yeah. [snorts] Any questions? [screaming] Terry, no report. No, I ask you a question. Actually, Chad, I for clarification, I I'm not sure I like the idea of the city getting into the real estate business, but it doesn't seem like it is because really we're partnering with region 12 and they're doing that. Correct. Yeah, we're we're not doing any rehab work and it's just grant funds that we would receive from the the state that would pay to acquire the property.

So really what we're doing is region 12 is wanting to provide this function and we're assisting them in finding the essentially derelic properties. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. And it's kind of like, well, help me out when I go straight here, but it's there was money that we had that we could provide for them and then there was matching that they had. Right. Right. So, yeah, for the for the grant or for

region region 12 had received some federal a federal grant, I think. So, and they purchased a house on uh I think it was 405 South Chestnut. They purchased that house, rehabbed it, sold it. We're looking for another project in Jefferson. And the city had acquired a property at 105 North Walnut. We donated that to them for another rehab project. And then she felt like after she had sold that one, she still would have enough fun. You know, they started out with X amount of dollars. You rehab, you sell. Well, you don't quite make all your money back, right? So eventually this program will run out. But she still felt like Yeah. Yeah. I'm just concerned about the amount of city funds that are going in to, you know, give this project.

No, once we're done, we're done. Yeah. It be be minimal. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Purchase price be covered by uh the grant funds that we have. We're just hoping to do as many as we can. Yeah. Sure. Yep. Thank you.

Y no report. that some park and wreck notes um with uh our new uh assistant director Lindsay Waen. She brings a background of of graphic design to the table and she is doing an overhaul on the branding of the park and rec department. So you'll see some visual changes and probably an uptick in their kind of their marketing and they're doing a lot of great programming and things and Henry had a lot of great stuff going there and she's continuing that and growing that and Henry is a big numbers guy and she's more of a visuals person. So different different structure, different folks and see different talents in play with the different positions we've got which is neat. Um couple things just the complimenting to uh Nathan the director and his resourcefulness and going after grants and different funding sources that are out there. Um there's I won't get into all of it right now, but we did mention the two earlier for the playground equipment and then the pool stuff. So utilizing those local resources is great. and he's done some other smaller ones too for for some of the other things, soccer nets and stuff. Um, also, uh, as the as there's, you know, kind of been exploratory mission for, you know, gym expansion there at the rec center, which brought up questions about, you know, there's a gym on the other side of the school. And so, we actually had um Kenhagen from OP Architect come in to do do a look over of what it would take to do appropriate renovations to make that usable. and you're looking at six between six and eight and a half million dollars to do something like that and that doesn't include additional staffing or what if the the annual operating expense would be for functioning as a gym. Um so that was

so has that idea been completely abandoned pretty much. Yeah, that didn't seem feasible compared to what the next thing was going to be and the condition of it in there is continues to deteriorate too. So, um, it it just doesn't make sense overall when you consider all factor in everything and factoring in all the that was the opinion of the board. Um, and I suppose that's it, but want people to know that have had it looked at what the reality of that would be. And that's it. Chad, no report. Luke

uh this last week LEC uh entity committee met and discussed something that's going to affect the budget also being on the finance committee the utility usage at the LEC entity has risen by about 15% which since the city equates a 40% cost of uh building expenses for that that building will equate to about $6,000 to the increase in our uh utilities for just that building. Um, in response to that, I reached out to the county, which the county actually owns that building uh to see if they would incorporate any solar usage [clears throat] because that building utilizes geothermal heat. Now, in the past, it hasn't been utilized due to some malfunctions with that system. Those malfunctions have since been repaired within just the last couple months. So, we can expect to see natural gas usage decrease at that facility. yet electricity increase making it a prime time if they were to entertain that idea for incorporating solar. I spoke with the supervisors that next Monday about that and I saw on the road culture and you mentioned that uh they ruminated over that incorporate potentially incorporating solar at at some of their locations. I'd uh I personally would like to see them do whatever they could to reduce utility usage because $6,000 does provide a measurable impact to our budget. And then the police committee met yesterday and uh of note the state through some state funds uh two of those radar display speed signs uh have been approved and we expect to have two of those placed near the middle school on Highway 4. Give a little bit of cognizance to those uh individuals coming up. those I've received at least one complaint in the last 6 months about the the uh the rate of travel uh among along that section since that is

so on the on the highway or on highway four. Okay. Yep. Yeah. And then the other one on the other side on uh as it currently stands, correct me if I'm wrong, Scott, I'm thinking likely in the same place facing opposed direction. I see. Okay, that makes sense. Mhm. Mark, do you find that that really helps? I think it does. It slows me down when I'm in towns and I see it. Well, and of course there the there's a bill in I don't know if it's in the House or the Senate about reduction of uh speed limits around school down to 20 miles an hour.

So, and I that's still going to do which is quite a drop. So, would that just be when school's in session? I would have only me a city street, too. I mean, that probably wouldn't apply on highway four, right? Highway. I don't know. I don't It's not completely written yet. So, [clears throat] Mhm. Anything else? No, that's it, Darren. No report. We're done.

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