Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

I got six o'clock. So, we'll call the meeting to order. Oh, Becca, you want to do roll call, please, please? Brian Venma here. Christine Bob here. Monica Miku her phone here. She's here. Welcome back to Monica. Marita Keane here. Sandra Gerlock here. Tom Stewart. Yes. Mike Burke here. See if Monica's on there. She's not here. Okay. Can you hear me now? I couldn't get unmuted.

Hello. Yeah. What? She's here. I'm here. Okay. Have everybody's had it. Now chance to check the um meeting minutes from the October 20th 25 meeting. Um I there's any corrections or discussion or move for a motion to approve. I'll move that we approve as for second. Second. I'll second.

All in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed? Okay. See, we need a motion to open the public hearing a public hearing for the for the is so does anybody here have a comment something for us want to speak? Did we want a second? Oh, a second. I'm sorry. Sorry. Okay. All in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed? I

So now if there's anybody present that wants to speak anything. We're just here to see what you come up with on the senator or Okay. We have Taylor online. Yeah. You check with whoever's on the line. Taylor, I believe you're probably here to speak on the resoning, correct? there. Tyler.

Oh, hello. Hi. Hi. Did you have something to spa say about the um resoning case? Um, no. I I was just curious what that was all about is all. Sure. I just got a letter the other day and I didn't know what was going on. Yep. Okay. Thank you for joining. Okay. So, we don't have anything from the public. We can So, we need a motion to close the public hearing. So, move second, please. Second. All in favor say I.

I got to monitor a little bit delay. Yeah. So, u we have before us case number ZC25-05 request for a Ivon Marine Kins. Is that correct?

Correct. So, I think we need a motion to uh we need a motion to open that public hearing on that presuming request or not. Just move forward. I believe just move forward. Okay. Can you give us some scoop on what's going on here? Becca, please.

Yes. Um, this request came forward after the new owner of the property, Miss Karns, moved into the property and visited the zoning office to discuss an idea she had for using the existing barns. Given the long commercial history of the site and based on conversations she had locally when she purchas purchased the property, she was under the impression that commercial business activity could continue there. Um, I reviewed the zoning map and I realized that although the parcel has been assessed and operating as a commercial property since before 1976, the zoning map still shows it as A1 agriculture and the A1 agriculture district does not allow a retail business. Um, so that mismatch between the mapped zoning and the long-standing wellocumented commercial use is what initiated the review and brings the resoning before you. Um, this is the third one that I think I found in since not even that long ago since in the what last five years. I think it's the third one. Um, it's not something that we go out and look for um is m mismatched between assessed and zoning. Um, but when things are presented to us on a case-by case basis um then we address them. Then the last one that I found was in 2022 I believe which was Ryan Rowling um a logging business was in that A1 zoning district um and that is not where logging belongs. So he then also county initiated um reszoning to industrial this um she wants to open a gift shop um with the Iowa artists and makers. Um it's in the former Gibar Cuchi Stables

which was a well-known commercial equestrian facility that operated for well over 50 years. that business was public facing and brought customers onto the property. The long-standing commercial activity is the reason the parcel has been assessed as commercial for decades. So, the resoning does not introduce a new commercial area. Instead, it would just correct the zoning map to reflect what the county has consistently treated as a commercial site. Um, Miss K plans to continue the commercial character of the property but with a much lower impact use than um the G Maruchi did. Um, she is I always pronounce it Marusi. Marusi. Okay, that way we I always

Okay, Marusi, a small gift shop featuring Iowa makers and artists and within the existing barns. Uh, the parcel there are two different parcels on the property. Um the house parcel will remain A1 and it'll just be the um barns the stable area which will be reszoneed to commercial and that um is consistent also then with Marusi um they didn't do any activity within the home only with the stables. Um, Miss Karns to plans to continue the commercial character of the property but with a much lower impact use, a small gift shop featuring Iowa makers of artists and within the existing barns. She is also planning on keeping the original M barn signs preserving the identity and history of the former North Staples. Um Elizabeth in the health department, she has reviewed the proposal and she confirmed that the well and septic were recently inspected um with the purchase um they are operating properly and that the level of traffic expected from small gift shop will not negatively impact the septic system and it is um consistent with the land use policy. I put a copy um it aligns the reszoning aligns with county's statement particularly objective one which is accommodating commercial uses in appropriate locations. Objective four encouraging development via existing towns and objective nine accommodating existing development without encouraging road and inappropriate years. And I can bring up.

These were the requirements for the A1 egg district where retail is not allowed. Then the C1 commercial retail. And although it was um horse and equestrian products and horse different business activities that went on. It was still retail, so it would still have to be zoned commercial.

And she is right outside of mon there and it's still I believe the speed limit is still reduced until maybe top of the hill. Top of the hill. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're talking about like the Lshaped right there, right? Yeah. Okay. So the homes in the lower right hand corner. Yeah. There

and she had the plenty of parking in there and through here. And here you can see where it was classed commercial. She does own the home. That's correct. She does. Yeah.

Um, I would move that we uh recommend approve. with no conditions or anything. I haven't seen anything for any conditions. Okay. Do you see any reason for any conditions? I didn't see any reason for any condition. She's going to keep it um you know consistent with property use. Um we need to do do a roll call on this one. Sure. And I'm trying to make sure it's Brian Venma. Yes. Christine Bob, yes. Monica Mchu,

uh, yes. Emiranda Keys, yes. Sandra Gerlock, yes. Tom Stewart, yes. Mike Burke,

yes. any opinion. We're done. Okay. Move on to the next item. There is items from the public. Best we kind of did that already. elves. I'm probably don't do that. So, we can go ahead and start our work session with the data processing center draft elements which is got a different name now. We know what it is called laugh when I saw that. That's quite the name for it.

I had to look it up. It's a bigger umbrella. Oh, yeah. It is a bigger umbrella. the high density computing facilities ordinance otherwise HDCF um that encompasses then the data processing crypto mining um anything using um high density computing. So is that a standard definition and used around state of world or whatever? Not in our industry.

No, but I mean I mean is that why we went with that definition? It's um data processing, data mining, high density computing facilities is ever changing and ever evolving. And this is what the current term being used is. My my question is going to be is this going to cover everything in the future kind of thing? Yes. Okay. So anything with that's in a close area using lots of computers is covered by this. Yes. Okay. At this time.

At this time. Yes. And in the uh one of the proposals then in the um proposed draft is to um revisit it every three years. Yeah. So there's some there's something to keep up with the technology. Yeah. The state thing changes. It changes it also favor. Um but we're trying to do as much as we did with the um changing the zoning ordinance and um keep it fluid. how we discovered in the last one. Um put in little disclaimers that if things change then this will change also. Yes.

Um we I did want to again because it's ever evolving and ever changing and it can pretty much even change from when I send it out to when we discuss it. Um, I have a few talking points that we can hit right away and it kind of will um, choose the course then for how we go through it. So, we're not necessarily starting on page one and going through if that's okay. Um the first section one is just kind of the overview of it and section two is the definitions and we're going to be ever evolving and adding to the definitions. So it's not something that you necessarily have to go through one by one at the time. Um unless you wanted to read through the definition of the HDC out pretty self-explanatory thing. I'll put it up so you guys can see. And you'll have to remind me to scroll. There's the definition of

Makes sense.

Okay. So, some a short list of some optional discussion items right off the bat. Um so in section six noise and vibration together. What I have in the original thre is pretty lengthy. And an option to discuss um would be to replace it with the sheet for the on the discussion suggestions um the noise limits and that's to keep it at um not to exceed 50 dB, which then matches our um wind energy ordinance. And then the to add the tonal or low frequency noise. If testing identifies a district distinct hum or low frequency tone, a plus 5 dBA adjustment may be applied to evaluate compliant Well, I think it'd be good to keep it

the same as the U wind ordinance. And we don't have that low frequency in the wind ordinance, right? No. No. So, that's a new addition to the high definition. And so my question is is where did you come up with that then? I mean what what prompted that? Um it was the Lynn County presentation. Yeah. Right. So that's Yeah. I I watched some of that anyway. So yeah, that's you had a good point on that.

Yeah. So then my question is is if we're trying to keep them similar, are we going to need to if we add this here, are we going to need to add that to our wind ordinance? Right. Kind of a rhetorical question for this commission to think about. I think the 50 dB, you know, on the upper end is completely reasonable to keep it, you know, in line with the window or

Yeah, I agree with that. Oh, I don't know. We need to go back and rework that since I think that's so restrictive. I don't think I have to worry about it anyway. I I'm just Yeah. playing devil's advocate here. Yeah. Monica's not here. because Monica's not here. Yeah. No, I'm I'm here. I'm listening. I'm agreeing. Trying to stay ahead of you there, Monica. Thanks, Tom. Well, we wouldn't need to do that tonight, but I'm saying if we decide to put that in, that's something we should, you know, that's we gota we should at least talk about. So,

right. and the 50 dB um consistent for the administrator level. Okay, I agree with that and I I don't have a problem with putting putting this number two into the total low frequency noise. I I you know if that's if that is the standard that counties are using or that is you know I know nothing about the numbers you're throwing there because I'm guessing most of us don't know anything about the low frequency tone information here.

I'm aware of it. Yeah. You know so I mean we just have to go with what we think is what you what you say is kind of the standard to use. Yeah. Whether it be five or 10, I have no idea, but I'm okay with it yet. I am. Anybody else got anything? Luke, I like the way it is here. Okay.

Super. Okay. So, then moving on to section seven, cooling and water use. Um, I think it's fine to put that in there. Uh, the, uh, one-time use is kind of the old technology. And the closed loop system is, you know, what's going on now or on smaller units, the uh wind or the air cool. And so I think there's no harm at all putting that in there because I don't think anybody's really well if they're if they're up to standards, they're not going to be thinking about putting that in anyway. So we might as well quash it before it starts. So add in the cooling system requirement of high density computing facilities shall use closed lip closed loop or air cooled systems. Open loop once through or water consumptive cooling systems are prohibitive prohibitive.

I would agree with that. I think the purpose looks good there if you're good.

The purpose states these standards protect rural aquifers, prevent high high volume withdrawals from private wells and avoid thermal or chemical discharges into creeks rivers or other surface water features. Great. And then for the limited exception, we could add that would be optional for the board of adjustment consideration. The board of adjustment may consider an alternative cooling technology only if the applicant provides a certified engineering report showing that the system does not absorb groundwater or surface waters, results in no net consumptive water log, does not increase risk to nearby wells or hydraologically sensitive features, and complies with all IDNR water use and discharge requirements. Yeah.

And then I'm just guessing what you're saying there is that if for some reason they come up with some new way of doing things. Yeah. That's kind of covered and and they will. But yeah, I'm sure they will. anything like that. So, so board of adjustment has the the power to make that consideration almost like but we're not risking anything that we talked about in uh letter A. Correct. Yep. Right. Okay. Yeah. Almost like tonal now with wind energy. So trying to cover Yeah. But trying to cover everything but if we if we haven't there's something to fall back on. Yeah.

So then along with that the dechemical and coolant containment all coolants lubricants and water treatment chemicals must be stored with secondary containment sufficient to prevent discharge to soil groundwater or storm water systems. And then E the water use transparency. Unless connected to a municipal water system, the operator shall submit a simple annual summary of total water use and any changes to cooling equipment.

It's very good. for Monica's sake because she doesn't didn't get this. Um the additional reporting may be requested only if required by IDNR or if water use conflicts conflicts arise. Then the F is compliance with state requirements. Nothing in this section supersedes Iowa DNR authority. All facilities must comply with Iowa code chapter 455B and any required IDNR water allocation or discharge permit. That was section seven. This is then 7 A. This is new. What's not in the draft? Um, it would be probably section 7 A as not really sure as to a better place to put it. Um, the sanitary facilities. Um, and then this is for discussion as to um which of the three you all prefer. Uh the commission may consider requirements regarding connection to

public sewer and water such as three um three that are here. Connection required only where municipal service is available. Connection required if the site is within a defined distance of service or a connection required unless IDNR approves a private system. Can we just require them to connect to public water and sewer? That might be prohibitive. That helps put them where you more appropriate. I know, but they might sue you because it's prohibitive

or sue Jackson County because it's prohibitive if you make and that is the only you know that's their only option. But if we took the third option where it says connection required unless IDNR approves a private system pretty much makes it that way right? I mean, we're requiring to go municipal unless DNR says they bet they could to possibly do it. If you'd be all right with that, Brian, I I'd be all right with that. Then they'd have to jump through that hoop to make sure they did it right.

Yeah, they'd have to put in they'd have to put in approved priv private system. Preference will be connect to the public. But if that's the compromise, we can make that be okay with that. the better middle ground. Asians don't find

what they say they don't need water and sewer like the one at Springville said they were not. Good point. Should we Yeah. What's there to connect to? Well, that's what I'm getting at. You know, they'd have to put their own if they were going to have But I mean, if we're requiring them to connect, right? But if there's nothing I mean, we can't make them have sanitary facilities be beyond a portaotty,

right? Yeah, that's good. when connecting connection is required unless DNR approves I don't know is there a standard on when they you know some kind of standard in uh zoning that they would have they'd be a certain size or certain amount of people there that they would have to have a permanent sanitary system a zoning or a health department. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Is there probably a health department to be able to research?

Yeah. Or drill a well. I mean, they'd have to do that, too, right? They have to get water somewhere. Unless they get hooked up, like Brian was saying, unless they get hooked up to the public. What's public? Out in the middle of in the middle of nowhere. Well, that's that's my point. That was my point, isn't it? But that was also his point is you'd have to put it somewhere close to where you know you could hook it up. Right. Right. Unfortunately, that's not where most of them are going to want to put it because the substations don't sit there.

And that's what that's what they're going for is either existing substation or a place where they could have a substation built. So my question on this zoning doesn't require the septic that comes under the health department. Correct. Correct. So if they're going to build it, they've got to put in the zoning permit. Zoning department has to contact the health department. So, should this even be in the zoning

in the zoning purview? Yeah, maybe not. Maybe not. Well, they'd only need the water if they were using them because it's not really Yeah, right. That's not sanitary sometimes. and it could be left in there as a sanitary facilities talking point and then per county health department regulations. Yeah. And uh if you can do it that way

that I think that would be better because I don't think we really have the authority to do that for you know to require that. Hey, let's do that. that way. Good idea.

Moving on to section 11A. This would be a new addition would be structural standards. on their earth. A permanent construction. All principal buildings and equipment enclosures shall be constructed on a permanent concrete foundation. B the condition of the structures. Structures shall be maintained in good repair and kept free of deterioration, corrosion or defects that could create safety hazards or operational failures. The prohibited structures, cargo containers, railroad cars, semi-trailers, mobile storage units, or similar portable structures shall not be used to house computing equipment, electrical components, cooling systems, or any critical element of the facility. When I visited this site in um in was it Marshall County with uh Lori, they did have containers where they were storing the computers. Yeah, they're they're portable.

So that would prohibit that kind of thing here. Facilities computers computer center. Yes. And they had prohibited a hoop building like the one that burned down. The building it was it was a it was looked like a trailer, you know, which could easily be picked up. The floor was, you know, plywood. It was not any kind of flooring except just the bare plywood. So it was very very minimum to just operate and it was cold. Yeah, I could imagine. And that was March, April. Yeah.

Well, yeah, they wanted cold because those computers a lot of heat out the employees were also cold. Yeah. Yeah. And I did not like how it felt personally. I thought it was an eyesore. Yes, it was in the middle of nowhere, but if that was my willing to drive up and down every day, I sick of it.

Right. Yes. And so we could add this in also. Very good. I am We move through that real quick. So, an other talking point as we're going to skip around again. And I just picked out some of these um basics that we can um just build off of. So going to number two and set that Section fiveation.

Oh, thank you. Section five. That's not section.

Section five. Step back. Standards. Okay. So, I just put um kind of a middle ground as to what a lot of other counties are doing at the moment. Um we could keep it as it is in the draft. Um move one way or the other. Anybody else think we should increase number one a little bit? I would say at least a thousand a thousand from any existing residential dwellings. in school park for a place of worship. Yeah, that's what I feel comfortable.

Go ahead. Cemetery.

Okay. Was this kind of the same with the wind? I mean, weren't we concerned about livestock buildings? Because this does not say anything for life. I mean, it's residential dwelling. Do we care? You're going to have the hum that low frequency. But I'm saying that's that's not

if we're concerned about that, that is not one of these that it's next to that I mean I don't know why we I mean I don't know why it would just be those four places there are other places maybe a daycare facility maybe a you know something like that that how do we include more than just these or You take out residential. So just changes to any existing

dwelling. Does that help include more things? And then you could add some for livestock, buildings, plain buildings, any buildings. You could say something to in including any buildings existing buildings including residential building which is kind of duplicating and a dwelling is a building

but I mean didn't we try and word it that way in the wind ordinance to cover everything without only being specifically listing things Great. Can we say something about be used regularly by livestock or people or was something really general that contest all that we could

that that got less important in the wind ordinance when we went to property lines for all setbacks. So it didn't matter as much what exactly was on the property if you're measuring from the property in the wind ordinance cuz I think why why it's like that we should we should probably look back and see what the wind says. that 2,000 ft.

No, I'm just saying the the wording on the bill. What the building? Yeah, the distance to me is we're not talking to half like Yeah. It's a different cap and a finger. I think Brian's right once it went to property lines

be something more that could not happen. Well, I think that a lot of that got cleared out when when that went to property lines. The other language got removed. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Just do that. So mirror setbacks for from the wind turbine including the property lines, the public right away and the communication and electrical lines. just property lines and public right away. Yeah, communication electrical lines wouldn't make any difference in this case. I wouldn't think

it's going to need to be closer to the public. They need the electrical. So, I mean, I don't think that's a lot we really want to put in there. No. So mirror the setbacks from the wind turbine the wind energy at 1,000 ft or at 2,000 foot. I would say a th00and's good. my opinion

I think it should be more than 500.

Yes. Yes. I I would think about a thousand from from your buildings and maybe 500 from property lines. And use 500. He's 500 in number two and number three maybe because that would stop them from buying one acre piece like Will was trying before because it's going to have to be far enough from property lines then we have to buy a bigger chord. We're going to pick the right zoning district that's coming up. So, we go 1,500 500 and figured out some for livestock in there on the first one. Yeah, we need that. Yeah, I guess we took that out, but I can't remember what the wording was that we took out. inhabit structures.

Occupy structures.

Yeah. So instead of saying all principal structures, you just say all occupied structures, equipment, enclosures, and cooling and generating systems showing following minimum effects and then put a number 1,000 ft from any occupiable structure. period without putting residential dwelling, school, park or place of worship. I mean, does that cover everything occupied structure?

I do think that include livestock, too. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but I mean I mean we we could eliminate the rest of the schools, but we add cemetery on there, right? That's Oh, that's kind of living out here. Yeah, we Yeah, you should probably put the word in cemetery,

occupied structures and cemetery. the materials that would be the,000 ft 500 ft from all property lines 500 ft from any sink wall, well, creek, river, or IDNR regulated surface water feature. And then for everybody okay with that? You want something different?

Leave the adjustments and additional requirements. The board of adjustment may require greater setbacks where site conditions, topography or facility orientation indicate that additional distance is necessary to achieve compliance with noise, vibration or safety standards. The BOA shall include written findings of facts supporting any modification to the standard setbacks referencing applicable studies or modeling data in the public record. Where multiple setback standards apply, the greater distance shall govern. And number four, setback shall be measured from the nearest structure or equipment enclosure to the rest respective property line or feature. That's still all flow. We got to make sure four matches what we just got in the other part.

Yeah. Occupied. Hey, Becca, I'm going to drop off. I just got to Boon, so um I will be there in person next month. Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Back to to number four. Are we talking about where it says nearest structure or equipment closure in that from the facility itself with respect to property line or featured which what are we what are you talking about there are we talking about I'm going to call it data center because it's close easier to see

yeah it is yeah then then we're talking about the neighboring properties facilities buildings which one are we talking about there. So 1,000 ft would be the data center to an occupied structure. 500 ft would be the data center to a property. Yeah. But I but when it says from from the nearest structure or equipment enclosure, is that is that their nearest structure or equipment enclosure or the neighbors nearest structure equipment enclosure? The data ventures.

The data is going to be right. So we don't need to really change that wording in number four, right? The respective property line or instead of Oh, I guess feature does kind of cover occupied structure. Well, if we just do Well, yeah, we would have to put the structure instead of instead of features, right? That makes sense.

Or you could just take four out of there because we already

I was wondering in this previous section that we're just one, two, and three. I think we just Sorry. That's I feel could be in the front too. Yeah. Could number three be moved to that section that we just sex on five? Well, it is it is it is you think should be number

but but that's the board of adjustment can do that right that's not referring to coming here that's the next board I need this okay so should that be something upfront right from the beginning is that necessary to have it worded for us and not there like we just added just struck this other one. Should that be moved forward and strike it from here? Yeah.

Sure. It's necessary. Well, that's why I don't know what it why is it necessary. Why is it worded here? I mean if it's necessary here it shouldn't be necessary. I think this is where multiple setback standards apply. So they would have to refer them but that's kind of here too. I mean there could be multiple minimum set.

Yeah. Because for example, the property line to the property line if they put it right on the edge of their property to the next property line could be the 500 ft, but then they would still have to abide by the,000 ft to the house. Am I reading it right that way? So that would could be multiple places because it could be multiple setbacks. So places word of adjustment and both places.

Can it be both places or is it necessary? I don't know. I'm just asking. But I like how that one is spelled out there for sure. then there's no questioning if they if somebody would say, "Well, we're 500 from the property line." But if the other person's house is right on the pro I mean the minimum set back on the property line, it could be under the thousand ft. Then they'd have they'd still have to abide by the thousand feet from the build,

right? So that's why why is it said on the board of adjustment but not on ours?

I'm guessing that's third. I don't know for sure. I'm just thinking we leave it there so that they have I don't I don't I'm not familiar how board of adjustment works everything but maybe it's needs to be there for them to I'm trying to figure out a scenario where you know who's north south east or west of them which is the which one is the restrictive most restrictive setback I can't sit here and do the math Yeah. And we don't know this. Is this just, you know, kind of for information that it'sformational that it's just spelled out that way or are there some cases?

Yeah. That's why I'm saying if we leave it there, they have the option to be able to use it. But what if it never then it's then makes no point. It doesn't make any difference what they're turning on. Okay. At least it's there. They need it. Maybe I can try to find an example of that. Right. Why that why that is spelled out like that? I mean if it's like I said is it just for in just be for information alone

like check our Maybe I'm not reading this right, but so when we say 500 ft from all under minimum setbacks, 500 ft from all property lines, but we're saying 1,00 occupied structure. Um, doesn't that just imply the greater?

That's what I'm saying. So why is it in why is it just why is it in that next one forformational purposes when it seems the obvious? I mean why is it there? And if it's there why isn't it here? Because it still has to be 500 ft from a property, right? So you can't move it far enough away from that person's building this way. So, you're thousand feet away from that building, but you're you're too close to this other property line over here. You got to still be 500 ft away from there. Awesome.

See if there's any instance where that would apply or what they're referring to. If you can maybe um I think in that case something like how Laura put in so many diagrams I think a diagram might be helpful that case if you find something if yeah I'll right

or even like just no like the diagram that's 5 minute from the property But it's not 500 from the house or the dwelling or the structure with a big old X through it because it doesn't meet that, right? Yeah. back to section four. You're going to hit section three also.

Yes.

Okay. Um, section four was the pre-application conference, zoning administrator, county engineer, and environmental health prior to filing an application. Um, currently for like the subdivision ordinance, the applicant is encouraged to meet with the zoning administrator and county engineer. Um so the subdivision ordinance also needs to be redone and environmental health isn't included specifically in the ordinance at this time. Um but just for interdep departmental review it's good to have all three departments um have a meeting with the applicant applicants. So why is it said encouraged instead of

or required to meet? Why why is it just encouraged? So then that could be optional to them or we can change it. Or we can change it. Okay. Do you feel it should be required for all three? Definitely. Yes. All three. Makes sense. I mean, it makes sense to me. At least at least these people know that they're all covered, right? That avoids rather than them spending money before they know the ordinance claiming that they had an interest because they spent the money

that they went they saw the zone administrator and they said it was all okay. Mhm. Mhm. And then and then Yes. county engineer says so everybody says it's okay before they get too far into the process. And then the health department said maybe handing that to Yeah. or is required. The applicant is required.

Same thing either way. Yeah. One word and then the applications.

Sh. requesting the site plan, technical studies as applicable, including noise analysis, hydro geologic study, and utility load confirmation prepared per section 6 through eight of this ordinance. Um, upon acceptance of a complete application, the zoning office shall prepare and publish notice of the public hearing 10 days prior in accordance with the Iowa code of 3856. And chapter 4, courtesy notices to adjacent property owners may also be provided by regular mail.

Can we change that? Yes. And they shall be provided. And do you want a buffer? How far do you think? Currently we do 500 foot.

Is it the same thing we have? I believe it's a thousand foot of wind. It don't seem right.

And if we have shell and all of these others that other one can be shell instead of so yeah there are two other places where it's shell. So y one mile from the property line of the proposed site for Salt of Land. one mile.

So everybody within a mile circumference of the structure is going to be modified. Um that's we the wind if we mirror the if we change it seems like a lot but is it though

could be could be a mile's not very car some things common that you want to know about, right? Just depends on the density in the neighborhood. Well, I say you could be close to a subdivision or part of the town, you have two or cascade. Cascade. Yeah, there's one composing cascade that's going to plow it right down there and next to a residential area.

It's industrial. Yeah. Right next to 500 foot in Leisure Lake. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. What if we're mirroring it? Do we want to put the keep it a mile the man or I think it's a I haven't been saying a whole lot but I think that keeping the this ordinance and the wind ordinance as close together as possible is a good thing

just for you know they support they support each other that way you know for a legal argument

what consist Consistent consistency in the true and also then the application fee and any associated escrow for third party review as determined by the zoning administrator will also be submitted. Um an addition in the completeness and review timeline. Um on the scheduling and hearing upon acceptance as an HDCF application shall be scheduled for a public hearing before the board of adjustment no sooner than 45 days from the date of acceptance. This extended period allows for interdep departmental review, techn technical evaluation, public notice, and coordination with affected utility providers. Um, with all of our other applications, as long as they meet the deadline, it will go into the um, next either zoning commission or board of adjustment meeting. This one just gives a little bit more timeline and guidelines just to get everybody's ducks in a row kind of.

Switch that back to that. So, yes, thank you. Um I mean this is falls more on you Becca than Yes. The it's too tight of a window or Well, no sooner than 45 days. So it doesn't really doesn't say it can't be longer. doesn't say it can't be well the county shall act on the application within 90 days of acceptance which 45 to 90 days

90 days 90 days is the very end process though it's got to go before us and all that within the 90 days the supervisor make the final approval within 90 days right is that way of reading County act on the application. Was that does that mean the supervisors are acting on the application or we are acting on the application? Are we the county? Are they shall we clarify that to say I would add that the supervisors are the county. So yeah, clarify that

to the zoning commission shall act on the application within 90 days. Okay. Were we always thinking about making sure except Jackson County is only the administrator Jackson County supervisor? I don't know. that the window. I know we did. And so that's why I'm just asking again. I don't know how it probably should. Yeah, we want to be will county in the definition. Unless you put county. Yes.

And again, you know, the word of supervisors or the Jackson County.

Yes. Actually, I'm not so sure there are definitions. board of adjustment because of adjustments only going in there.

Yeah. Yes. I just saw that review. Um, and then the third party review. The 90-day review period shall be paused during an authorized third party technical review or while awaiting required documentation from the applicant or utility provider. Um, that's kind of the same like with a flood plane if there's an army corps of engineers or the DNR. So that if something gets held up then clock stops and I believe the all costs for third party review shall be reasonable documented and limited to actual build expenses for services rendered. I believe that's fairly similar to the wind energy. Also on one on that I put an independent profession professional to Thank you. the public hearing. So, they will be heard by the board of adjustment, but they'll also be heard by the zoning commission. Will you be reszoned? So,

possibly potentially. So that might need to be stated in there also or would it be best to go back to three before we hit some of that? Section three, the applicability and zoning districts. They require substantial electrical infrastructure, generate continuous operational noise, and may utilize cooling system that affect surrounding environmental conditions to ensure comp compatibility with neighbor neighboring land uses and to maintain public safety. This section establishes where such building facilities may be considered in Jackson County. So prohibited include A1 egg district, left plane overlay district, wetland or conservation overlaid district and then the burial mound overlay is noted that it may require additional re review during the application process and um we may reach out to a qualified archaeologist, which would be the um Iowa Office of Forology to confirm that construction will not disturb the protected resources.

Um I need to back up there. Um so in the first paragraph just to be totally um accurate it should probably read highdensity computing facilities require substantial electric infrastructure. That's true. And then it should say may generate continuous operational noises or noise because some of these outits are set up that they shut down and uh you know they can be turned on and off. So it's not true that every one of them does continuous noise, right? So let's be accurate about that. Thank you.

We're pretty good with the So we're saying it's a prohibited prohibited prohibited A1 agricultural district. So, are we saying that it's got to be the zoning has to be changed from A1, which we did? Okay, that's what that's I just want to make sure that I got that in my head correct. So, because they're all going to be Yeah, it was a wanted to reszone, correct? Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure that I was getting that right. Yep. So if it's in a a a1, it has to be reszoned to something else. Yeah. So that's not changing from what

what we what we have yes did in the past. Um we're just adding then flood plane overlay and then the wetland for conservation overlay.

So we're going basically to the allowable locations and B to him wandering too. Yes. Um also it is um listed in the drafts as a special exception. Um the draft proposed zoning ordinance is changing the board of adjustment language. They will all be conditional use permits. Um but for now until that changes it's special exception we'll distract. So once it goes through the zoning commission to be reszoned if necessary to the M1, M2 or C1, then it would go to the board of adjustment for the conditional use permit.

I thought our zoning ordinance got that will be um or is it got to go through three hearings? It the first hearing is November 25th. Oh, I thought I saw supervisor meeting that was approved there public hearing was approved. Okay. Yeah. So many approval processes.

Yeah. Okay. Um, and then the sighting requirements. Utility access. Sites must have viable access to electrical and broadband infrastructure without requiring service extensions through existing residential neighborhoods or environmentally sensitive areas and emergency access. The sites must provide safe all weather access for fire, EMS, and utility vehicle. is environmentally sensitive area and the definition that anything on section three then again I'm being picky. um like we were when we went through this. Some of these places board of adjustment parenthesis BOA. Some places it's just B OA.

Can you do like you did before and um word search all of them or whatever you need to do and make all of them the same. Yeah. Like for example, right there in EO. So one way or the other in the definitions I see board of adjustment has VA and pregnancy everything could be BOA if you want.

Yeah. This is kind of thicky too.

That's okay. But um under it's fairly consistent when you have like at the bottom of section three D siting requirements in bold and then utility access and emergency access. Is it the same font or whatever as the the body of the explanation? Mhm. I don't know if you underline it or put it differentalics or something to set apart. Yeah, I got to make it easier to read if it's difficult to read.

And again, the same for the HDCF because like up there in C, the quarter initials aren't behind it, but then down in 4B, the initials are behind it. So whichever way you want to do that or whoever is supposed to make that decision Um, and I think we left off at for public hearing, but I think we need to add in there um the zoning commission process

if uh resoning is necessary. So that's all under section 4 application and review process. So should that say in under public hearing that we shall or may be heard for the board of adjustment. So, I mean, does does the board of adjustment have to have a public hearing for every for every one of these if there's no um review process

for the application? They don't, do they? um if they applied for something and we approved that it it doesn't go to the board of adjustment every time, right? You would be re you would be for the reszoning and once it got rezoned then they're the ones hearing that application and approving the application for the I thought it went from us to the supervisors and that was it. No, because they would need the conditional use permit.

It only goes through us if they need the land reszone for otherwise it bypasses us altogether and goes to board of adjustment. That's a conditional use, right?

Oh, okay. I believe wind turbines the same. So in that public hearing part, we should be listed as may have to for the zoning commission should Yeah. May have to

may have to have a public hearing for the zoning commission.

Yes. If it's uh if a reasoning part Yeah. I will get that added in. We've covered up everything in test section Hey, before a ferment If issued, the utility provider shall submit a load confirmation letter verifying that electrical service to the proposed HDCF can be provided without materially reducing service quality for existing customers. This letter shall confirm that adequate electrical capacity is available or can be made available through upgrades and that any required upgrades or extensions will be completed at the operator's expense consistent with the utility provider's policy.

So electric guy. So, well, yeah, it all makes sense. I don't know why we have to have it in there, but I mean, I guess that's good. This was This was a common theme throughout ordinances. This is stuff that's getting done before they even decide to come to you, though, right? Yeah. I guess I've read in places where they've come in and after they're in, improvements need to be made. that get passed on to me.

I can't speak for a lion that wouldn't be a referral. No, I mean we do a thorough engineering study and so but I can't you know I can't speak for Alliant and Alliant has just as much ability to come in and you know and support one of these and supply power to it you know as we do. So leave it in.

Emergency power and grid event coordination. Applicant shall submit an emergency power shut off plan showing the location of disconnect switches and providing 24-hour emergency contact information for both the operator and the utility provider. pretty much kind of mirrors what is also in the wind turbine. And who did do they submit that to?

Yeah. Add add zoning administrator to that. If a power event, equipment failure, or abnormal load condition at the facility impacts a surrounding distribution system, the operator shall notify the zoning administrator, county engineer, and local fire department as soon as practical and no later than 24 hours after the event. And the operator shall cooperate with the utility provider and emergency responders before resuming full operations following any system disturb. So if you have it in your hands and you have the contact operator dot d all of that and you're not working or the courthouse isn't open, will that information be somewhere else for emergency personnel? They're going to get it too, right?

I don't know. I'm asking. Is that in there? That's the way I I heard it. The operator shall notify the zoning administrator, county engineer, and local party as soon as practice. So,

they got they got to notify all three of them. But the zoning administrator and the county engineer are not going to be working at the same time. If it were a weekend, right? And and if we just say as soon as practic

more you can do though. Huh? Not much more you can do. No, I just wonder I thought that we had that it should go basically to the 911 system if there were was an event of do we have it that they needed to report to a 24-hour operational emergency service or something. Yeah, the wind. What's that? The wind thing we did. Yeah.

Yes. The wind one states, "A sew shall be considered a catastrophic catastrophic failure should it become inoperable due to fire, natural disaster, severe weather event, or other serious structural or mechanical failure that causes the unit to be inoperable. In the case of such catastrophic failures, a written plan shall be submitted to the Jackson County Board of Supervisors within 30 days of the event. The plan shall not extend beyond 120 days from the day of the event, rendering the CEX inoperable. A concerted effort for cleanup must be notable within 45 days. Penalties for violation of these timelines will start one day after the missed deadline. This is kind of catastrophic. This is like a broken control system or something. compared to that.

Would it be feasible to give it to emergency management coordinator or whatever his title is then getting an office like that? Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why I thought he chose like the police state, you know, like somebody who has a phone on the weekends. Right. Right. I think you're social. I think we're talking about something completely different here though because it's just a power event or equipment failure really that's only their problem not

affects like neighboring areas. We're not talking about the utility provider because the utility provider will um or correct their correct their problems as as quickly as possible for if everybody's on electricity, right? Or if the equipment failure caused a fire within they put it out, do we care? Yeah. I mean, yeah. You mean we we care, but not from a power not from perspective. Not from a zoning perspective.

Yeah. Well, well, yeah, but zoning should care because the fire, you know, would be would would have the possibility of uh toxins and contaminations that sort of thing. So, from that aspect, well, yeah, zon would be concerned, but from a power supply issue, I wouldn't think Zony would be No.

Or can it be instead of I mean I'm just thinking a lot can happen in 24 hours. Can it be at the time of the event discovered or I mean I don't know how you could word it differently or is that not necessary? I mean I I don't know what can happen in these kind of situations. So, I know if it's it's a normal situation, it no later than 24 hours is about as good as you're going to be able to do

because they're generally manned during business hours and nobody's going to be there. Yeah. But you can't I mean I still question how somebody would sit in a building without running water or a restroom in Iowa when it's below zero bucket.

No, they said there would be nothing in that container. It would be portrayed to the outside closer to the road. They weren't even on the line. This is all hands. Yeah. Okay. It seems it seems like it's just more than what we're

not really necessary statement. I just you guys know it seems like exactly. Yes. Yeah. We shall strike too. You might be able to actually strike her. is not necessarily a bad

and I just don't think that the operator necessarily you know three I'm not sure three is necessary if I was working on this and we had problems the last thing I'm going to want to do is call the zone administrator yeah but I'm fighting about yeah And no disrespect to the zoning administrator, but what's she going to be able to do? Truly call somebody else. Who do I call? Yeah. What? Well, then what's it say on the emergency call? Yeah. So, let's keep one and take out two and three.

Yeah, it makes sense to me. Yeah. Would it be N3 cooperate with the utility provider before presuming full operations following any system disturbance or is that not necessary? Well, I think that's going to happen. I don't think we have to let you know we have to write down that's going to happen naturally, right?

And if it doesn't, then it moves into the decommissioning phase, right? B on-site backup and auxiliary power systems. Backup generators, battery systems, and other auxiliary power equipment shall comply with all noise, fire safety, and emission standards of this ordinance and applicable state and federal codes. Routine testing of backup systems shall be conducted in a manner that minimizes offite noise impact. And then service agreements. A copy of any power supply service or interconnection agreement with the utility provider shall be filed with the zoning administrator before the facility begins operation and updated within 30 days of any change in ownership or operator. The agreement shall be used for reference and coordination purposes only and shall not create regulatory obligations beyond those established in this ordinance to spectrum nine. your response plan. Prior prior to permit issuance, the applicant shall submit a fire response plan approved in writing by the nearest fire department having jurisdictions. The plan shall include access routes and gate codes for emergency vehicles, location of hydrants, water sources, and fire suppression connections, emergency

contact and after hours procedures, and facility specific shutdown protocols for electrical and cooling systems. Should should be B in the prior section be rolled into section 9? Let's see. It would fit perfectly. Good. Good. Fire protection and suppression systems. All buildings and equipment enclosures shall include automatic fire detection and suppression systems designed, installed, and maintained in accordance with National Fire Protection Association standards 75 and 76 as amended. Each facility shall obtain annual certification from a qualified fire protection professional verifying that fire detection and suppression systems are operational and compliant. Certification reports shall be submitted to the zoning administrator and local fire department for recordkeeping. Does that mean to say at their expense would not hurt? Electrical disconnects and emergency controls. Clearly labeled externally accessible electrical disconnect switches shall be installed at each primary service entrance to allow emergency shutdown of power. Switch

locations shall be shown on the fire response plan and marked in the field. Where'd you get that one? of the same same as the prior. Yeah.

And what do we mean by externally accessible in case they can't get into the building? Yeah. Inside the fence, outside the fence. A good point because there's a lot of there's once you get into big power, there's stuff that the average guy You're not going to let touch. You're not letting fire department throwing that or I'll switch gear. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of where I was going with that too. Should they have some kind of access combination? I'm not sure what the best way to do that is because I just know that you're not going to send the fire department over to once you're dealing with big power, then bad things could happen. Yeah.

So, and utility company. Yeah. Well, you know, there's safeguards installed in in all of this. It should take care of that. Brian was saying, you know, I I'm not comfortable with saying, you know, that, you know, you you have somebody come running in there and just shut off the power, you know, without knowing the situation. that's going to be being handled through SCADA or um you know the systems set up between the power supplier and the uh data um company but

again I'm I'm just talking from my perspective I don't know it'll it'll it'll scary it's scary stuff flash can be really bad is it strikable hope. I'll let somebody else decide that, but I will say that I'm uncomfortable with that. And if it's if it's already resolved at the grid system, it's not necessarily needed on site.

And that's why I was asking where did you get that? Is that like standard language for other counties or be county? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The problem problem it's going to be is if there's emergency where the where the fire department is called, fire department is not going to know if the power is on. Well, we've already addressed and they're just they're going to stay back assuming the power is on. Yeah. Well, we've already addressed, you know, a fire response plan of an A. Yeah. And so, the fire department that's going to be responding is going to have that laid out already.

So, I'm not sure why we need to put that in there. you know, if if the if the company, you know, deems it necessary to have a switch that the fire department can throw, then they're going to be respond or they're going to be getting it up here in a it would already be in the plan. Yeah, it it'll already be in their fire response plan. So I just don't know the most. So Mike, can I ask as a fireman

if if like if this plan was on file, where would it be? Like what would happen? Okay, the call comes in, will everybody know to go to the office and look at that? I'm just asking. So not the small local fire department. No. So then how would anybody know? How would we know about I'm just asking how would you know about that or like Well, hopefully you'd covered at a meeting. Yeah. And then and I'm going to guess No, I'm just asking. I don't know.

I'm going to guess what what would happen if if one of these was put somewhere the local fire department would go tour get a guided tour from the company people. this is what you need to do in case it emerged. You you take everybody there and you hope when it happens those people that were at that meeting are the ones that are there and the top. So if you came and like it was art all like fire but it was an electrical you what do you do just watch it put your thumb up you stay that far away from it you can see if you can see they are past your thumb too close oh my goodness stay away

right doesn't mean you can't do anything you can't do anything other than keep other people away the electricity itself is going to be shut off further down the line and then you're going to still be dealing with a fire, but you won't be dealing with the active electrical, you know, electricity fire, right? After that's what they would be expected to deal with the fire after the power was put out. So, if a passer by came by and saw this, they'll call 911 and then what happens? Well, call with your dispatcher and then it's got to then you notify the fire department or other emergency personnel

and then hopefully they have the information of which power supplier is the one they need to contact and then they need contact power supplier and then they need to contact people. The power supplier would already know. Yeah. I mean again I can't I can't speak for a lion but we would already know. I mean, we would know. You would know that something was a miss. Yeah. Almost instantly. Instantly. Okay. That's why why I was getting at before. Does that have to be on record with 911? Like is it Alliant or is it RECC? I'm just saying if so that that is right there.

But like is there some kind of generic fire response plan form? I mean, how do you know what needs to be in it? Oh, I'm I'm guessing these companies will know what needs to be. Okay. And well, it's in their best interest for it not to burn down. So, yeah. Yeah. And and I'm just asking if we've not covered it already, but like we were um with the wind ordinance, we needed numbers and things posted names and numbers. Is that in here somewhere? Yeah, I think it is.

Yeah. Well, and Z could be taken out because we have the fire protection and suppression systems also. So there's this this expression expression systems and that should be alleviated to find the need for the firemen to go in and that

well suppression is always going to keep the fire suppressed not extinguishing. Okay. So, it's it's designed and I'm going to guess suppression system like this. I don't know what they're going to try to use. They're going to use some kind of dry chemical some somewhere, you know, all the big dust, you know, if they had to use a fire extinguisher. Doesn't last very long. There is some clean fire suppression systems now that are made for just in a room without you know wrecking the equipment.

Good and that may it may shift but a suppression is called suppression because it's not the problem you still have electrical issues problems. If we take out C. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Okay. Um D. Containment and hazardous materials protection. All storage of coolants, fuels or battery systems shall include secondary containment designed to prevent release into soil, surface water, or storm drainage. Containment systems shall comply with applicable NFPA30 and NFPA855 were applicable.

Inspections and maintenance. The operator shall conduct annual fire safety inspections and maintain written records for county review upon request. Any system found non-compliant shall be repaired or replaced within 30 days notice unless a shorter time frame is deemed necessary by the fire department for public safety. Can I just ask another question? So up here, this nearest fire department in Miller Aid. So um this came up because of our township trustee business. And um I'm just going to say for example, they mentioned that Baldwin's fire department is getting so small that they almost have to use Makoka all the time. But if if this was something out of Baldwin area, would would they automatically tell Makoka then would they share that information with them? Yeah.

Be like before a fire so that Makoka would also have the opportunity to go look at something like that or how would that be handled? Oh, I would think so. Yeah, I would think Paul even would something like that. Okay. Something at that size. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think they have a automatic um mutually automatic joy systems then probably well they were saying that like if it goes too much further north like up in our area Baldwin doesn't even come even if it's in their area just goes to Makoka right away.

Oh I don't know how they end it. I I mean like I said that was being discussed at her with Alys Lisa um at a meeting that she had just been at and that's what they had said. So anyone needs to go automatically.

10 waste and hazardous materials disposal requirements. All solid and hazardous waste, including but not limited to servers, solvents, damaged or worn parts, batteries, and coolants, must be removed from the site within 15 days of generation and disposed of in accordance with all applicable local, state, and federal regulations, including Iowa code chapter 455B in environmental protection. I would change servers to e-waste.

We'll cover a lot more. Yeah. Yeah.

Pro group of disposal group of lockable disposal of or recycling shall be submitted to the zoning administrator within 30 days of replacement or removal. Failure to provide such documentation constitutes a zoning violation and may result in enforcement under this article. Hazardous waste documentation. Operator shall maintain all hazardous waste receipts on file for a minimum of 5 years and make them available to the ad zoning administrator upon request. The county may forward documentation to the Iowa Department of Natural Resources for verification or enforcement.

You put I

was just going to say it was now I keep seeing all the ones that could just have the parentheses written out there. Um, enforcement authority. Violations of this section are enforceable under Jackson County zoning ordinance chapter 7 enforcement and penalties and Iowa code 455b307, a illegal disposal of solid waste. The county may coordinate with the Iowa DNR for investigation or enforcement of any suspected environmental violation. I'm going to change all the and does it make a difference Iowa code chapter for example of a number A versus how it's written in D

a section it's a section chapter so okay so chapter Okay. Because I know there's stuff Yeah. Some are sections of chapter.

Okay. Okay. Once we get through section 11 with the screening and lighting, then section 12 kind of mirrors G. Um, wind energy and decommissioning and abandonment somewhat mirrors um through somewhat mirrors the wind urban. So once we get through section 11 which is a little more specific to the um when this one, the HD CF, then uh if you all wanted to call it a night, that would be fine, too.

Working on two hours at it or an hour and a half at it. You're tempted, but we're more than welcome to keep going since we're making really good time, but I definitely want to get through at least section 11.

Let's do 11 anyway. See where we're at. Okay. So, section 11, screening and lighting. Security fencing. An 8 foot security fence shall be installed and maintained around the full perimeter of the HDCF. Fencing shall be of durable non-reflective material and may include decor and may include decorative or architectural screening panels where appropriate. Eight or six was what I came across. 11 eight seemed to work. Visual screening and buffers. A landscape buffer shall be provided along all property lines abuing public rights of ways or residentially used properties. Vegetation shall consist of native or adaptive evergreen and deciduous deciduous species arranged to achieve visual screening sufficient to obscure at least 50% of all principal and accessory structures from year round view at a height of 5 feet within two years of planting. Birming, fencing or architectural wall may be combined with landscaping to achieve the required screening standard and all screening shall be maintained for the life of the facility. Dead or damaged plant material shall be replaced within the next appropriate growing season.

Who's providing it at operators that expect? You know, this is something that I know that one facility I looked at um out there and said we did marry or not, but it's it's right along the road and at an intersection. If somebody starts growing tall vegetation along there, that's going to be a problem with trip to a snow. So, I think it needs to be something that maybe the county engineer needs to be involved with.

Yeah. Or I was going to say, didn't we just have um fencing um information in what we just updated? So, does it need to say according to those rules? Yeah, because Yeah. We had setbacks on fences visibility. But like if it has to abide, but that's also something that you'll go over with them in an application process, too. I don't know if it needs to be said. paragraph according to Jackson County

organ start vegetation problems, right? And that would help with type of fencing too because we say certain type or couldn't be some I don't know there's something in that fencing like in subdivisions along roads and whatever we talked about

we talked about it anyway. Um well, we could have it be similar to um any of the substation fencing.

I mean, it's going to be sitting next to a substation anyway. Yeah, exactly. Or very close anyway, right? So same parameters that have got the same consistent look and it would have the same security that also but you may not have a landscape buffer because I don't think they all those probably don't say anything about a landscape buffer they just talking about fancy right basically this is so we don't have to look at

could you keep the landscape buffer along residentially used properties and take it off the public right away. They might keep it off the road, but there's no issue we're talking about and still still put a screen between. But the other thing is it's going to still keep it if it looks as bad as places that I saw, you you'd like to have something so you don't see it from the road, too. Okay? Because they're not kept out well. Okay. Bill maybe it really depends and you can't govern that. I mean yeah depending it really depends on the the company that's

Well sure does. Yeah. It's no different than anything else. Yeah. You know your neighbors can be the same way. So exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You can't control that. That's what I'm saying. You can't control that part. Yeah. Unless something is associated.

Good. Maybe don't worry about so we'll keep the fencing consistent with that station and then the landscape buffer. I

mean really if the nearest residence is going to be thousand ft away what's the landscape buffer going to do for you

Mary drags down that road it'll look great I know we can't make somebody it's like goodbye post XYZ and it's not pretty. Not much you can do about that either, right? In the eye of the old hard to see. I'd like to keep something at least between the resident.

Well, it says it may be combined with landscaping. It doesn't shall be something removable. this a landscape buffer. Well, what we were talking about a minute ago that you know 8ft fence around the whole thing consistent with the substation ordinance to keep that uniform then this so this is you know like secondary to that. Mhm.

So, I don't know.

I I I get your point. You know, it's if you it's going to be if you if you got a house even if it's a thousand foot away to have some trees or something there that's better than you know. Yeah. So, so but are we going to put shall or are we going to leave it at may, right? Well, that's what it comes up to, right? But and we're also prohibiting containers. I mean, there are requirements for the building to look pretty decent are there also. So, it shouldn't look bad.

If I had to pick one, I'd rather have the nice old building, right? So let's just leave it as May and then you know when if which but that doesn't also mean there could be 8 foot highs outside that they still build. Yeah. So that's the way it is. Yes. It is I mean it's right because the workers are there to say take care of the not necessarily

required screening standard. What is the required screening standard? Is there such a thing as a required screening standard? You have to put in put it in according to the zoning. Okay. That we just did. We've got a we've got a standard on substation.

So that's what we're matching substation standards. Exterior lighting. All exterior lighting shall be downcast, shielded, and directed away from adjacent properties and roadways to prevent light trespass or glare. Lighting level shall not exceed 2ft candles as measured at the property line. Motion sensors or timed lighting controls shall be used wherever feasible to minimize continuous illumination. Color temperature of exterior fixtures shall not exceed 3,000 Kelvin to reduce sky glow and visual impact.

Okay. Yeah. Exactly. bumpers are. Sounds good. Just be a standard somewhere. That's how white the light is. Sure. Sure. But I don't know what a 3000 Kelvin light. Yeah. Go to Home Depot and look at the light bulb section. They'll have that color. So, it never looks the same when you get home.

Yeah. Yeah. Reflective surfaces. Reflective, mirrored, or high gloss exterior finishes are prohibited on buildings, fencing, and equipment enclosures. All structures shall use matte or earth tone colors consistent with surrounding rural or industrial character. There's another plug to make the building look nice, right?

Maintenance. The operator shall maintain all fencing, screening, and lighting in good repair. Failure to maintain screening or lighting consistent with approved plans shall constitute shall constitute a zoning violation subject to enforcement under section 14. Should you also put some like might have weeds all over the place in front of the nice building. They maintain that. shall maintain all fencing, screening, lighting, and property. And who's going to cover that?

Yeah, Mary when she drives by the neighbor. That's that's that's the problem. I mean, again, most businesses aren't going to want six foot weeds grow next to the building just for fire hazard. Sure. Well, that's why I said whispered to an area earlier that sometimes people's landscape plan is round up. I mean, they don't have landscaping. And that's Yeah. And that's

and that's why And that's why having a six foot or or 8ft fence with, you know, that matches a substation is is better. It might be in, you know, sterile and industrial looking, but it's better than overgrown and crappy weeds. So, I'm not familiar with pencils that have that webbing kind of in it, so you can't see through it. Yeah. Well, kind of see through. Yeah,

it restricts the vision. Okay. All good there. continue on. I thought we were going to quit after 11 hours. What's our timeline for this on? However long it takes. We got a lot done tonight. So, there's a lot for me to update. We got more left than I thought we did

to um get another draft out. Well, you got plenty to work on until next month. That's for sure. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I have 11 sections to work on for next month. So, there isn't a lot of point in us moving on at this point because you wouldn't get it done anyway, right? And we we're going to have to go back and make sure they got what you updated. Exactly. Oh, it's it's not uh we're have to check your work. Yes. Oh, with all the IDNRs and they're jumping out at me.

So, yes, there it won't be done within the next couple months, but we've been given a moratorum until the end of August. Okay. So, we'll move on to our next agenda item. items from the commission. Anyone got anything? I would just like to thank the supervisors and you for taking for them to point you as the zoning Yeah. Thank you. administrator rather than the interim zoning administrator.

Very been very seamless for us. It's for me anyway. Hopefully for the rest of us, it's been it's worked out well. Yeah, I have Laura. Oh, you have for a technical assistance. Okay. Yeah. So, are you going to get assistance sometime? It's not a no, but for right now, Laura, you're on your own. Laura is what I need for the technical assistance. Um, and the online permitting process has alleviated so much administrative work that Good. Yeah, that's been super helpful. And Laura is with you for how long? A year. Till next September. Okay.

Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we'll move on to items from staff. Next meeting 6 pm December 15th and we will be going over the draft ordinance some more. There are no cases. Cases cases. Um the board of supervisor public hearing is at 8:30 a.m. on 11:25 um for the zoning ordinance draft and they could have the three readings or they could get it done in the one. So it could be finalized as soon as by your next meeting.

By your next meeting for sure. Yeah. Good. What besides that? If they have the three or the one. They do. Okay. Um they do depending on public input. Yeah.

And we didn't have anybody at our meeting for public input. Um Laura is going to be there to present the same um PowerPoint that she presented to you all. So that's why they're starting at 8:30 so they have time to get that presented. that um and the there's been enough public notice that um hopefully if anybody properly

they'll be there. Yes. So yeah, otherwise it should as long as there's not much their public input then the one in five minutes. Good a motion to I'll make a motion second. I'll all in favor say I. I opposed. Well, that's