Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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No. Bears. [Music] Well, it's the cattle got out and I managed to stop the spring herd and a fall herd from merging into one big herd. But it it took me all two minutes till seven to do. Well, I got cleaned up. You don't have 40, right?

Is that a transformer? No, that's a [Music] cattle running. But they're running in a good way. Yeah. Yeah, they're having Yeah, they feel good. I got a compassion right out front of our house. I bet you are the calves and you know when I can't So they feel good when they run like that. Yep. They sure do. Thank you.

Call the meeting order. Becca, you want to roll call? Brian Venma here. Christine Bob here. Monica Mu present. Emirated Keys here. Tom Stewart yes. Mike Burke here. Sandra Gerliff is absent and excused. Has everybody had a chance to look at the meeting minutes for June 16th of 2020 filing? And if so, we maintain a motion to approve them. So move. I'll second.

All in favor of approval of minutes and signify by saying I.

I. Anybody oppose? It passes. So now I guess we'd entertain a motion to open up the public hearing for the case ZC25-03 filing for Mark Heights of 38209 Highway 52 Belleview, Iowa. Second by all in favor I

opposed. Okay. So we'll be here from I presume you are present your volume to us please. I guess we bought the neighbor's house. We want to split the yard in half so we can keep half the yard by our house. It's kind of a long narrow yard. Then we just want to resell the other half the house the other half the yard and we don't plan to build on the we just want it. So it's an open yard. From the map it looks like it's just south of San Datus. Is that right? North. North. North. Just north the same.

Oh, half mile. That's the reason I was getting confused about it. Got it. Anybody questions? May I? Yes, you may. I just want to clarify a few things because your project's been a little bit you weren't quite sure with some of the changes that might happen. Um, so we're looking at keeping two lots to meet the minimum of 20,000 square feet. Yeah.

All right. Um, was there still talk about selling this south part of the lot to anybody else? It's been talked about, but we haven't got nothing worked out with the DOT that he's don't want to give us an access down there. Okay? Because that would be a problem because if you were to split that off again and you already had two lots that were 20,000 square feet, you would that other split probably would be granted. No, because doing the way we'd be doing it on the other end of the property, there's 30 feet. Okay.

And the guy would be switching his driveway from the one end of the property to the other end of the property. So So you'd be looking at doing a a swap a swap from that driveway that 30 ft to the other end of the property. So we actually would gain 10. Okay. I was just making sure. Okay. So this is your home at the bottom of the photo. It was actually at the top. Okay. So that's the bottom one. Okay. Thank you.

So that would be two different We probably be looking at another reszoning after the fact um cuz this piece here is currently zoned um our main A1 and it wasn't part of the request for resoning. So this might have to be revisited if you're going to take and move that part into resident R1 also. Is there any way you can leave half of it egg?

It that's the way it would be set up. Um well it muddies it up a lot. uh because it would be joining our farm there. Well, if it if you joined it with your farm, that would be A1. But if you were using that 30 ft to get your required 20,000 square foot lot, you'd want to have it R1 because we have to have R1 zone property with our one zone property to meet that minimum. Here, I can kind of

so we can see what I'm doing here. Um, so the current lot and this is going to be scan because I can't get as tight as the other mapping tools can. All right, we're going to do that again. And I'm going to have square feet up this time, you guys. So, right now we're at 38,000 square feet. And if Hang on here because I thought we measured that out at 40. Yeah, we're using 40,000 square ft. So the required is 20,000. So half of 40 is 20. So we'd have two 20,000 square foot lots. However, if this if you lost what about 30 ft there, Mark?

For some reason, your bottom line isn't moving over far enough. I because I just I just drew it right now with the fence post just because I know where it is because that's where your property line is right here, right? Yeah. Over from the Yeah. Yeah. I That's where I That's where I started this time around. I just can't get any closer. So, it only be six feet coming off that garage. Okay. To get the 20 ft.

Okay. So, about like that. So, he's looking at potentially, and I use the word potentially, right? Yeah.

Deeding off this so it can be sold to an adjoining landowner. But if we did that now, we'd be shorting one of our lots 20,000 square feet. So that's just because I know you've been kind of but the only way we do that is if we got 30 ft on the other end we'd be swapping. Okay. All right. So there'll be All right. So okay we'd still have to we still have Is that garage coming down or something? Am I missing something here? Part of it will. Yeah. Okay. That garage is coming down. Okay.

Part of it. Part of it. Yeah. Yeah. comes up in an easement instead of needing it. Easement would be different than because they wouldn't have ownership. You'd still own the underlying ground. An easement is allowing somebody to use that for in you know ingress egress. So that wouldn't that wouldn't take that away. So then we'd have 20 and 20. Is your purpose given the neighbors a driveway there? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, that's what we're trying. Which neighbors you talking about? The one behind.

Oh, behind. Okay. That field in the back. Oh, so they drive that lane back. Yeah, that one there. Because currently they go through the property owner's property from here. Oh, go around the corn crib. Then up. That's crazy. I don't like that either. Yeah. So they go So this would get them a straight shot right down. I see. I could have almost Okay. I see. I see. I see. It's been a little bit of a process.

Yeah, you guys. So, the easiest thing to do is just do an easement. I wouldn't want an easement, but an easements are easy, but they're I've seen too many ugly things in the short time I've been here with easements. Some easements that have been there since 196 whatever. 25 foot easements causing problems. How about 70 years of access with no easement?

Oh, that's your that's your problem. So to get the 20 ft by the garage, he's proposed to give us that 30 ft on the other end of the lot plus half of that couple acres behind the house there. So wouldn't you need that you need that basically lined up and ready to go before you decided where the split on the property is, right? Yeah, we got to the DOT would have to say yes or no whether they're going to give it to us. And then you'd have to decide if you're making a deal with the neighbor and then you could figure out where the middle of the property line is to get two 20,000 square foot lots. Yeah.

Well, the other thing is from what I understand from the health department that's is that the area where the septic system is? I think the septics. So the septic system on that 20 and it wouldn't affect the septic the setback from that would be fine. The wells kind of back where that LP tank is. Can you see the LP tank? Yeah. And uh except is just below the garage there in the front of the garage and it's so it's basically under the driveway. It's right at the edge of the tanks are right tight to the driveway. It's the new system that doesn't have the the coconut. This got that coconut tank they talking about.

So you don't have to have the sand trap lines. Well, so you don't have you don't have Okay. You don't have a drain field. So there's no drain field. Okay. Okay. So I can see you guys maybe having to revisit this to get this other part of the lot is part of a legal description to um to be resone.

Well, I mean, wouldn't we need to know what's going on with the whole thing before we dealing and all? Well, right now, I mean, could they would they meet the requirements for the reasonzoning as is? Yes, they would. Yes. So you have a 40,000t lot that can be easily divided into two 20,000 foot lots. So that could technically be resone. However, if this lot here is sold, they're short and they wouldn't the new survey wouldn't be able to split that, you know, we wouldn't allow that split without this piece to the north,

which that piece. So, can the other people purchase before? I mean, because you're talking about swapping, right? Are you talking about exchanging them or like money changing? No money to change hands. There could still be this the resoning could still happen now for just that part though or this piece. Go ahead and Well, that that would come later. Um, they'd still, but we'd probably we'd still need to resone this. If that's coming, if this part's coming out of right of that,

you can reszone it without knowing exactly where those folks going to be. Correct. You're We know that we're going to have a minimum of you just make your requirement. You have to state that you would you want that minimum 20,000 square foot lot. No matter where that line is, your your bottom line is 20,000 square feet.

Maybe the driver is never trouble. Monica not going to cause any trouble. If you had to resone it, I don't see why you would keep that little bitty strip if you were going to. It hasn't happened though. I know. But they would though and actually they wouldn't be able to. I mean, the more I look at that, it's like, if they were going to swap this for that, this part would have to go be reszoneed to residential in order to keep that minimum of 20,000.

I get I get that. What I'm saying is they wouldn't be turned down for that. Like, if you have to go back and reszone it, doesn't it have you have to go back before the zoning commission and get permission? Why would the zoning commission just say, "Yeah, that's okay. It's not necessary. It wasn't part of part of the application or the notice of public hearing. Okay. But it would be in the future. Yes. If it goes back, right? Who would object to it? That's what I'm getting at. That it's part of the process. It's part of the process. No, I get that it's part of the process. What I'm saying is you're not really risking anything. Oh. to resone this

to reszone this now. No, as far as needing that resone later, I can't see why it would be turned down is where my point so much we're going to be able to do tonight, but we could be done. See we got you on anybody online at all that has found

no we can entertain a motion to close the public hearing I guess.

Okay. All in favor say I. Any opposed? It passes. So now we have to make a decision on we need to make a motion so we can discuss it with motion something. I move that we approve the reasoning. Second. Okay. Motion or second. Any more discussion on that discussions? Second step discussion.

So I guess we can vote on the uh motion that Monica made to reszone it to from K1 to par one. Correct. That is correct. Okay. Do a roll call. One of Brian Venma. Yes. Christine Bob. Yes. Monica Mchugh. Yes. Emir Keith. Yes. Tom Stewart. Yes. Mike Burke. Yes. Motion is approved. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. May may I ask your applicant something?

Have you guys already started on the process of the survey or anything or are you guys still wait to see if this went through before I told him start surveying? Oh, really? What? Yeah. Yeah. Because I know your surveyor called and I talked to him like a week and a half ago. Yeah. He was just waiting for this meeting. I think the survey or not survey. Okay. Got you. Got you. So, okay. Thank you. We'll probably see you again. Laura, are you out there? She was hiding in the back. She was like,

"Oh, did it go dark on that? I didn't know she was sitting there.

Was she sleeping? So I don't know. We're ready for your [Music] If we have any items from the public, we can do that before the sits down and it's Anybody got anybody on there at all?

A second. I got a little [Music] item number five on the agenda, the work session for the preparation of the Jackson County zoning ordinance update project. There we go. Good. [Music] Bear with me. I'm having a little trouble reading.

Whoa. I was trying to see if I could really I was trying to see if I could maybe

Okay, Laura, I'll do this again. I was just trying to We'll just have to do partials. Well, this is our this is the outline for our work session. As usual, we try to keep you up to date on what we put on the website. So, we have a lot of information that went on um for things that you'd already reviewed and had approval by consensus. We also created a a section for the what what I'm calling reports. to see those listed. Those were things where we brought you like a a single item or a section for review and so those have been posted as you've been approving them. For tonight's work session, we had been two items that we were not able to get to at the June work session. Those are the those are the sign regulations and the non-conforming packet. The following at our revised chapters for adult day baker zoning regulations kind of an overall introduction to chapter 2 the agriculture residential commercial limited industrial general industrial district. We did review all those and we've tried to make the changes to accommodate your comments and then we do have another item from the six June 16th meeting was the rules and procedures and then we have some chapters that have not been not not yet been drafted and reviewed by staff. So we haven't seen those the updated we've seen some of

those sections but not the thing for each section and then chapter six is going to have to get updated as we're working our way through all the other things. So at this point if you'd like we could work on the one on the Whoops. We could work on the two sections 2.9 and 2.1 I believe that you didn't get to last week. You've had those the longest. Is that Yeah. Okay. So, does this Let's see. Can you jump to the next page, please?

So, the way I've the way I've presented the side regulations is there's a set of definitions with images. These can be in chapter six or they can be in section 2.9. they can stay with the sign regulations either way. The sign regulations we have added new definitions or a number of terms that were not defined. So we work on doing that. Um we put in information about assigned permit because there is one that is um required but it's not really clear in the current ordinance. We have decided to pull the assigned regulations out of each of the districts um and put them all in this one section. We've added references to Iowa code and the Iowa DOT regulations related to bill boards um based on commission discussion at an earlier meeting and then we also filed information about LED displays with the Iowa DOT requirements. So those have been included as we looked at um existing signs that are coming in for permits. Um the current regulation for 100 square feet of a for a freestanding sign in commercial industrial districts is a little is a is really most of the signs are a little bigger than that the existing signs. So, we're thinking maybe you want might want to go a little larger. Maybe just double it to 200 square feet, but you don't have to. You could leave it at 100. Signs that are larger than that can still be updated. Um, they just have to follow the performance sign regulations, but they can continue to be used and replaced.

So, so is your recommendation that we raise that from 100 square feet to 200 It's a it's a recommendation, but it's it's really it's I don't know that it that it's not as strong a recommendation as some things. It's really more up to you. The existing signs can continue to exist and be changed. I think we probably should because when you think about that, it's 10 ft by 10 feet

and that's really not that big. Well, the next question I was going to ask is it would it make it simpler for um when you you know so you didn't have to. So I would move that we increase that to to agree with that. Okay. Is that the consensus of everyone? Any objections? Yes. Okay. Wonderful.

Let's let's go ahead and take a look at what we have here and we'll see if we have any questions. So we had um very few very few uh definitions as I mentioned. Um and so the other thing that we did is there there was a list of things underneath the definition. And so, um, part of me doesn't doesn't like putting regulations in the definitions. And so, I'm kind of I'm kind of I kind of lean towards putting the putting these uh into that same chapter where the sign regulations are because they're right there. And then the the regulations and the illustrations and definitions are not together. One of the illustrations I really like is this one because it it has all sorts of science types in one picture. It's kind of a comprehensive one to look at. And then as we move through the definitions, um we pulled in things that related to sign types that were that were being regulated but weren't being defined. We also um tried to come up with regulations that were a little more clear. Some of these were a little elaborate and included spacing and everything in the direction in the for example directional science included a definition and all sorts of other information and we really would rather put that in with the regulatory portion. So just a series of definitions um for different types of signs that are

regulated and then as we go down we have some pictures of them. So a pole sign is a sign on a pole and if it has a electronic message sign that Walgreens sign has a message electronic sign under it. Ground signs or mon signs sit on the ground. Dual island signs and canopy signs are shown in this illustration. The other thing we did was we talked about signs in terms of whether they have illumination, if they're moving, just different types offsite, onsite, as well as specific types like a fuel line. Um, if there was some type of Iowa code regulation like political campaign signs, we preference that. And if there were signs regulated specifically by the Iowa Department of Transportation like these tourist oriented directional signs, we referenced that and used one of their pictures. Keep going. So this is the this is the court language in chapter 2.9 and there's there isn't much to it. It's these these few items listed here. And so then we just put the side regulations. that. So what we start off with here is need to see. [Music] So we start off with signs that are exempted and put a list there and that

that sets this is pretty much you can see this is a lot of the information here current regulations. Then we talked about that. The next penny is signs that are allowed but that don't need a permit. So all of those that are exempted plus smaller signs, name plate signs for people um just signs under a certain size or for a certain purpose um really even feel like needed to be regulated with a permit. So then we jump down to item section three general regulations. So these are this is for signs that require a permit from the zoning administrator and we reference chapter 3. And then we also begin to talk about the that they have to their maintenance society ordinance. Um there were some there were some differing numbers for removal. We went with 30 days. Um, in terms of assignments, uh, it's not it's the assigned is for use that's not there anymore. Recommend 30 days and then there's any any kind of refu rub should also be cleaned up. Uh we do address non-conforming signs here and we reference the non-conformity section which we can talk we'll be talk about in just a bit. Um we put in some information that the signs should not impact any official traffic signs. Um they should meet the setbacks unless there's provisions elsewhere. and

um they're not allowed in the public right of way except for some exceptions and those types of things have to be reviewed and approved by the zoning administrator and the county engineer for measurements. We happen to have a really good example come in that we could use as a a way to help with there's no information your current coordinates about how to measure or compute the area. This is pretty standard language. This sign is a really great example of somebody giving us exactly what we need to do all of these things and make all these determinations. And you know how I'm always looking for real world examples? This doesn't get much more real world. This is Otter Creek.

I know. I was uh So, and this side was the one that made us think about let's go from 100 to 200 square feet. Make that a recommendation. This side is about 131 square feet.

So, we this this is a really good example and I really like having this timely example that works so well because they are absolutely following all the regulations here which are really what you have except they were they weren't really clear. So we organized them made them a little more clear and just helps who's ever trying to build the sign and whoever is trying to administer the sign to you know go. So, we just again I mentioned earlier we put some information in about a sign permit. It really wasn't it wasn't really clear. It's kind of part of a general zoning permit. But disc after discussing it, we felt like let's be upfront. We need a permit. We need a sign permit. This is what it should. So, I'm going to play devil's advocate on this. If you've got because obviously around our area, you'll see signs of the under driveways for graduation parties, things like that. So, this is excluding temporary smiths like that.

Okay. or they're they're allowed without her. We we have ones that are to that are already exempt and then we have other ones that are allowing. So those types of signs, there's no reason to recommend you'd go crazy. That's my want to make.

Yeah, we don't want to do that. We don't want to we don't want anybody going crazy. So yeah, one of our one of the things we did I know you I remember having a a discussion about signs along highways. So we do have billboard and advertising signs currently in the ordinance. There was a a sign permit required by the state. Mhm. So, we just went ahead and um did some research, found out what the Iowa DOT uses, put in references for their um information, then just kind of worked our way through that. So, our default position is is if you require a state permit and we really we don't need to recommend it, too. Um, however, if you don't require a state permit, um, our thought was, well, we'll just have you meet the same DOT requirements because then we don't have to think of anything different and they're all the same. So, our recommendation was to default to the DOT. They actually are pretty close to what your current regulations are. Um, and the advantages is that they're people are private site contractors are likely to be familiar with them. The next page, I love that picture. I'm going to see if any of my family's cars are sitt next to us.

So, so Lor's Lor's favorite the local example or the real life example. I just had to stop and pull off and made sure I wasn't gonna cause an accident get out there and take this picture because it was like, "Wow, I got a whole bunch right here." So, we got billboards, we got advertising signs, we got a identification signs, governmental directional signs, all different kinds of things, double things, internal illumination, electronic desk, all these things all in this one site. It's just really, really good because you can talk about them. And I think the pictures really help when it comes to signs. And so this site was just like really good. And then this is the old sign. And then the one we just looked at a minute ago was the new sign.

Yeah. So the signs are different, but they're about the same size. Why did they change? Because they were an independent gas station. They went to AMO after the government gave them all the money to put in the ethanol. So they redid the tanks. They redid the canopy because canopy wasn't that big either last summer, right? Uh yeah, they started Well, they started last summer

and I in the fall I think the the rest of the tanks were but they had enough coming soon for a long time. So, so section seven is um permits that are required for um identification signs. And so these would be for principal uses, they could be for accessory uses, um they could be for conditional uses. Um what we did is we um combined information that again and these were scattered in each of the districts and there there were some quirky things and they weren't always consistent. So being like playing them together here is is a good idea. We've kept most of the regulation. So again anything in black is your current regulation. Um we and really for AD and R1 really are a lot of changes. Um kind of work to pull together C1 highway commercial, the M1 and M2 industrial districts. So we have pretty uniform in regulations and whatnot. So we kind of group those together. You can see the changes there. There's not really a lot. Um, we have um an image here for a projecting sign and we do have a definition for that. See, and I think that's now that's the end of it. So we we feel like we have a lot more helpful information for staff and for the signed contractors with the regulations organized this way all of them.

So this is the clean version. If you want to look through that or we can if there's any questions I'd be happy to answer that as well. If not, we can move along to our chapter or excuse me, our section on nonconformities. So, nonconformities are commonly called grandfather. In this section, we took care to mention that the first Jackson County zoning ordinance went into effect on May 6, 1976 because that sets us up for some of the things that happen with nonconformities. We're really trying to be more consistent um and have more explanation, making sure there's information there about repairing and altering, reconstruction, discontinuitance, conversion, and we pull signs into this. So the idea of the nonconforming section in in this ordinance and in most of the instances is not to penalize but to accommodate up to a point anything that doesn't meet the zoning regulations because it was built before they were in effect. So it's trying to be um sensitive to the fact people made an investment, they built a house, they erected a sign, they did some they created some started some business with a certain kind of use and now it's not it's now it's grandfathered in. So generally what we're looking to do is

we kept a lot of your current language. Um it's we want to we're not trying to go into to create undue hardship without looking too hard into this. So if somebody has an existing sign that's nonconforming and has decides to replace it, you know, because it's worn out and old, do they have to meet the new standards or they can can they not conform yet? So, the example for the Outer Creek gas station, um, that older sign didn't meet franchise requirements, but it also was non-conforming because it was 131 square ft, which currently is too big.

Current reg, but they came in at almost precisely the same size. I think a tenth of a no 131.7 to 131.6 something like that. So they did not increase their non-conformity in terms of the overall sign square footage. They've already met every other requirement. The only thing was the size of the site. So okay now if they come in with 200 then they have to go to the board of adjustment. the border. Okay, that

they could ask for a variance or no dimensional variance. Absolutely. So basically, if they rebuild the same sign, they're okay. If they want a bigger sign for an adjustment. Yep. Okay. Yeah. And actually 200 Well, yeah, we just freeze it. If they want something more than 200, um let's say the board of supervisors says, "Great idea. We had we agreed we want the 200 square feet. Someone comes in and wants to build one at 250. Dimensional variance is a is available from the board of adjustment or they can make their make their case. Right.

Um so that and that's really how this is structured. When we get into the regulations, um, we're really trying to, um, say, um, if the government made changes and now you're not, you know, non-conforming, um, that doesn't that we're not going to count that because the cause was the government acquisition. um if something was um non was illegal. However, if you put something up, it's it's not was not legal at the time, you don't get a break. You have to put something up that was legal, met the met the regulations at the time, doesn't eat them now. Okay. Well, come didn't eat them then, doesn't eat them now. you need to do something about that try to bring it into performance. One of the big things that we we have come up um and Lori and I have wor been working together and most administrators will face this is we have lots of record that before that exists before we had zoning. And so um what we really to what we try to do and in your court ordinance you do is you try to accommodate those so they can be used so that people can make an improvement on them. Um the current or language is really really confusing. So we've um and and difficult. It relies on the ability for us to know who owned the property on May 6 and 76. Um, we don't know and actually doesn't

matter. We need to deal with what's what's going on today. So, we've simplified it to just just look at what's going on with the lots now. Who owns them? Do they own enough that if they combine them, they can have a simple lot? Good. let's let them use that together to build whatever they want to do. So, we're really trying to not worry about what happened uh in terms of who owned it. It's kind of irrelevant. It's more what's going on right now. Let's deal with this this situation. We think that'll make it a lot easier. Born and I got a headache trying to figure out how how to look up the ownership when we decided but here it's not ownership's not in 1976 doesn't matter right now. Let's just face get face the facts who owns it now and how much they have what are their issues. That's much easier to work with then. So we're we're happy we were able to figure out a good solution. Great. We moved a lot of your on this next page. We just moved a lot of your information over the green as things get that got removed. We have page. So in terms of non nonconformive uses a lot of your um current language. What I what I'd like to do in this section though is put it into little headings. I think it's easier especially with nonconformities. It can get kind of tricky. So I think if we anything we can do to make it a little easier to read I think is helpful. The next page we did we did again remove some language about con conversion. Um, one of the things that I that I suggest we're

suggesting here is um there the reconstruction of non-residential uses and has a little bit different threshold than and a little bit different little just a little bit different threshold than the residential. Um they're still they're still pretty close and it and it we do get we really try if it's some place where someone lives and there's some catastrophe fire uh for example then we we try to be pretty liberal in letting them rebuild and stay there and I I I think that's scary. Um, if the use didn't require a conditional use permit, but does now, you're automatically granted as a okay, you're a conditional use. If you do anything different or changing or expanded, then you might have to get your conditional use uh renewed or reapproved. Um, for nonconforming structures. See, that's page. Oh, that's the next page.

Oh, I'm on Well, I'm on four. Before we go to five, we did that. I just want to point something out to the commission to make sure they understand and see something. So on page four, number 10, junkyards. Do you guys want to look that over? Oh, that's a bad one. We we this is a fast.

Yeah, that's a good one. So this is um what happened what happening here is non-conforming junkyards are amortized out they need to be um discontinued removed or relocated to M2 within five years for that I want to take I knew that was a you don't so if if that's your current language but if that's not something you're comfortable but is that a commercial junkyard. Yes, it's one that's already sold or it was originally there. It's nonconforming. So, what is the

like we were talking about earlier, somebody's possession file, but that's different. That's next to the road or something. That's a little bit different. I mean, if it's on the road, the zoning administrator can make him clean it up, right? If it's on the road, the county engineer. Yeah. Well, we don't regulate though. Zoning ordinance doesn't regulate right away. The other thing is remember if it's a farm, it's exempt. The zone administrator regulates nothing on it. Yeah.

Um do you have an example for us? Well, um here we're gonna without mentioning names, we have a um salvage yard um guy takes cars, takes off parts, hauls out the chassis or whatever is left is on his residential property out in the county, 5 acres, 3 acres, whatever it might be. So, the board of adjustment um granted a uh uh conditional use for for special exception use as a home occupation. So, how would that affect a home occupation? That's a salvage yard.

Would this hypothetical be just down the road from me? No, sir. Okay. Well, I got No, it's towards uh towards my area. No, ma'am. Oh, it's not. You got more than you think, man. So, but wait a minute. Already got this has already been approved. It's got a special extension. So, that here's what's going to happen. If the ordinance gets approved as we've recommended it under under did you say indistry? Yeah, it was a home identification. Well, I can't remember if it was one or the other. It was probably a home in this. Yeah, because you had to go through the board of adjust. So the home industry will have to look and see.

Lori, is that time that we took our trip to see the uh data mining facilities? No. On our way back. No. No. This is Well, this was one of those and you know to bring up while they're looking that up to bring up something Monica. Go to Okay. There's a lot of junky properties in our county and we learned there's things I do different like say Leisure Lake Green how we started working on those I would do differently and the thing is you have to target a certain area. You can't just go willy-nilly

and just I don't like that. Yeah. So, we're pretty much complete driven unless we can target whole area and I've actually had goals that I wanted to implement while I was here. But you color? No, but I looked through rosecolored glasses and thought I could accomplish a lot more than I did.

Well, and my goal was to, you know, finish Leisure Lake, Green Island, and Fold and then hit the corridors. um Highway 64, Caves Road, and all those that are part of the scenic byway, uh Great River Road. You know, hit those areas first. Target areas. Don't just go out in the boondocks and start. And I can think of the one north of you. Oh, dude, that's bad. But that's why I came tomorrow. Yeah. But that's part of it. Um you got to have a plan. So,

you don't just go start picking out on this or that. Do you have a plan? Because why me? Why them? And I want to I've always wanted to articulate it. We're doing this as a blanket in this specific geographic area. So unless there's a complaint, Monica, you want to put your name on complaints, you're not going to make friends with Becca very fast.

I am not going to do that. So, but but yeah, we have some um lawful auto salvage junk in yards in our county that are home occupational. Anyway, that would be five years from when this is new version is adopted. Correct. Okay.

Yeah. What we what we did is right I think is that we tied home industry to home occupation no impact home occupation which means can't be any of the uses prohibited by state code and it can't be operated as a junkyard salvage or recycling. So so technically they can come and apply to be reszone them too but they'd have to prove there's a reason to do it. Yeah, because they're being required by our ordinance. Yeah. Real easy to prove. It says they have to, right? Yeah. What I'm saying easy decision for you.

That's right. I They They didn't have to prove that it was was a valid change of zoning. Yeah. Even though like this particular one's out in the middle of nowhere, it's on a B road. His place ends and the B-ro starts. It's covered by timber. It's not mine. It's sounding like my farm. It is not my farm. Oh, no honey. It's not. So, if if you're okay with that, we're I appreciate Lori remembering to pull that out. We We were recommending change from my house.

And the junkyard, the non lawful non-conforming junkyards do have options. one, they could go somewhere that's M2 or they can reszone to M2 or they can discontinue operation. Yeah. So, you have options for that business. Um, the application fee, the reasoning process, I don't think is ownorous. Um, it's certainly cheaper than the moving than relocating, right?

Do you have a rough guess on the other Oh, do we want to know about that as far as the legal lawful ones that that are going to be affected by this right here? But the ones that say are lawful um there I'm trying to think of a couple. Um Oh, and I'm assuming that one's lawful, but it would go back to pre-1976. It has probably been there. Uh, so that would be lawful. So I'm betting a half dozen at least,

but they're and they're in the same situation right now. Whether we whether the ordinance changes or result is something that it's that this is the current this is a current regulation that's we haven't gone out and enforced, right? They just haven't Okay, so that's just we haven't forced it. I'll kind of be over on that half. Um, I'm a bleeding heart, you guys. Um, hey, remember that bust thumb? I know. Oh, got her back. No problem. What? I missed that. Oh, she was gonna be a bleeding heart trying to remind her of a thing. Okay. Yeah, let's keep going.

What's our next picture? We're going to go number five. We're on. This is four. We have Okay. Five. Five. I talked about Okay. Sorry about that. Talking about it when it wasn't up. Okay. So, now let's talk about something that is there. All right. Six is um is dealing with when you have something that's a conditional use pre-existing. And so this um tackles that issue in terms of continuence, discontinuence, reconstruction, and conversion. Um we added non-conforming signs in here because they're mentioned in the sign section. And so, um, it's it's pretty much trying to make sure people maintain and repair them. Um, and the example that we talked about can increase their degree of nonconformity and we do have a opportunity for the zoning administrator to remove them circumstances. Um, and that is the end of the section. We can look at the clean version if you like or if you have any questions and we're ready we can move on to the next stop and we're ready to for something completely different. The next topic is adult and child care provision. So this was something you should ask about and so we've spent spent some time put

it into its own special report here. As we researched this, we ran into a couple of things. There is a there are provisions in county zoning and city zoning chapters of Iowa dealing with what's called a family home. There is also Iowa administrative code for adult daycare that can also be considered a family home. Against the regulations there were kind of back and forth. So one of the thoughts was Iowa law protects family homes which are you see their definition there in that second paragraph under family homes. And since Iowa Iowa law is regulating those, including ones providing adult daycare, we all thought, well, let's treat them as family homes that we know how. Child care has regulations um under Iowa code and Iowa administrative code and those have their own requirements. So our thought was, okay, we've got Iowa code, Iowa administrative code, different agencies. Let's just let those codes play out and we'll just decide where they should be. And so this in this sense, we also ran into preschools having some of the similar characteristics that sometimes childcare centers and preschools are used interchangeable with. So our

recommendation is summarized in the table on page two in terms of how we define it. You can see we have very short definitions. They all relate back to the regulatory whatever regulation is governing that particular use. Um family home and adult day kinder are recommended as to be the same conditional and A1 permitted and R1 and C. Uh child care center is is the most kids the biggest it can be. So we said well let's make that a condition of use. Child care home is an accessory. Um, this is the one you were concerned about. Well, geez, how can it pass the standard for home industry or home occupation doesn't have to? It just has to be stay home and it's okay as an accessory in those three districts, which is where single family residential units can be or residential units. And then the child development home is kind of in between those. So it's a little bigger u but not as big as childc care center bigger than what you could do in your home as an accessory use. So we thought well that probably should be a condition of this day one in our life but it felt comfortable with it as a permitted use in the portion districts and we just treat preschool the same as we treat childc care centers. So that kind of summarizes our recommendations. Be happy to

go over that. If you don't have any questions, we can we can questions or concerns. Okay, great. All right, this next section is building on section 2.1. Oh, it might be it might be easier just to go ahead and show the show show the first page. So, basically all that was in here was a list of the districts. That's the black type you see there. And we pulled the planned unit development in there. But what I wanted to do was I wanted to have some explanation here. So what are our districts? Here they are. Here's the schedule of zoning districts. Then the next section, here's the schedule of the different kinds of land uses and structures you're going to encounter. And there they are with the symbol. And then how do you apply these and then at the V and then so how do you apply these different the schedule of uses and structures and what are the types of structures. So there is on the next page which is page two of this section here's those uses in the chart are defined and wherever we could we refer back to e Iowa code or section of our zoning ordinance for more help in how it should

be regulated. So farm exempt, principal, accessory, conditional, temporary, and then we also talked about at the bottom of the page things that would not be allowed because in the in the matrix, the commission said you want to have something that shows something that's not allowed. So, we created a definition. This what we're going to what we're jumping into. Nope, you're right here at the top of page three of this section. Standard and alternative residential regulations. We have we talked about this when we talked about A1 and and particularly RO1. This relates back to the Leisure Lake and Dreser subdivision and the lots planted before May of 1976. And so this is another breakout layer where the regulations are a little bit different because the circumstances of flatting versus zoning are a little different. All that being said, that's all designed to understand then this matrix. So the matrix the matrix got a little complicated if I put everything all together. So I broke it up into principal and conditional uses because those can both be the conditional uses can be accessory but a lot of times they're like a principal use. So if they're if they're permitted in a zone um

read chair um if they're principal use they're therapy and if they're not allowed there it's a n and so that first matrix deals with principal and conditional uses is when we go to page four, there's more of them. What I tried to do also is to break them up by land a land use category with um residential, education and assembly, lodging, commercial which goes on for a while. Page six. Oh, industrial. Yeah, industrial begins in the lower third of H6. It just does have a grade. Um, there's a couple you'll see there with question marks. That's your data processing center. You're still working on that one. And then others. So, the idea here is all of this reflects the discussion you had about these uses in each of these districts. I hope need to double triple check. But but the the game plan here is the way they're listed in individual districts you're going to look at. It's summarized here. So this is a way for Becca to say yes, that is allowed in the district. No, it's not. And it's also a way for the user, the applicant to understand that. Uh, one of the things we ran into while we're doing this though is that we are

really, really, really, really trying to regulate railroads, public utilities, and public maintenance facilities. I can tell you from past experience with the city of the view, you cannot regulate a railroad very much, even if at all. uh public utilities might be able to, but they also have to meet other standards. So, we've tried to simplify those um and give them just really allow them in most districts. We have a little bit more restrictive zun, excuse me, in a retiring just in a residential district, but

there's really not, you know, there's really not much you can tell a railroad to do. No, they they have a mind of their own. Well, and they have a lot of autonomy. Yeah. Right. that federal federal umbrella that protects them or whatever. So then the next table of of the next matrix is this is bringing in your farm exact your accessory and temporary uses and

and structures. Same thing. Um can I interrupt? I just want to make sure we got something covered because I had a phone call the other day um two three weeks ago. um people looking to buy an egg zone property. So land use by category agricultural. So agriculture zone property. It's like 5 acres but it's a in a subdivision. I can tell you guys right where it is cuz Tom you're going to go. Oh yeah. Anyway, they're like well the people who want to buy it are moving from on state and they want first. Can they have horses? Livestock. So, we don't mention livestock on here. That's because it's part of the definition of

it. It Okay, got it. No, it doesn't. It not unless you No, you have to you have to look you have to go read that definition. Okay. Which refers to four or five sections of Iowa code. Okay. And having a horse is not the same as does not meet the definition of a barn. Yeah. Right. Okay. It does not because I don't care if you have two horses.

Well, at Bill's point it was it was can we have livestock or horses on the property if you can meet the definition of farm? Yes. Otherwise, is it allowed as what what's on the property now? A house. Is it is on horses an accessory use for houses? A lot of people would say yes. Well, your ordinance better say it then if a lot of people are saying that because it doesn't right now. Well, and it they do but they are not necess you cannot be farm exempt because you have two horses. Oh, no. No. There was no farm exempt. It was just that they were

you have to deal with you'll have we're going to have to we don't deal with animals outside of farms. So, if you don't regulate them then they're not on this list then but we don't regulate them. Um because we just then you might not be able to allow them. Well, but we're not regulating it. So, how can we not allow? They're they're not mentioned as an accessory use. I think you have to make it. You guys have to make determination. You guys might want to let's think about this.

Customary and incidental secondary use to a home to have two horses for a horse. your story. I can think of several places out by me just north of our prick that have horses. Are these R1 or A1, would you say? Probably A1. Everything is, but that was what mine was. My example was it was in a subdivision, but it's A1. It's an A1 subdivision. So, lots are more than two acres. So my recommendation to them was um check your covenants. That's a good re always a good recommendation which by the way you don't have to enforce.

Uhuh. I know. But but for me I wasn't finding anything in our ordinance that prohibited it in A1. It doesn't. And if if you can determine it's an it meets the definition of accessory use then you can allow it customarily incidental and secondary to the principal use. Remember those words Becca you don't have to remember them. Okay those words. So if if if in Jackson County that is not an uncommon thing that is all you can allow not an uncommon thing people and good luck when they say how many

oh this is how we got into regulating horses and police in Debuke because it wasn't one or two it was a lot. Yeah. And then it was pot belly pigs and then it was chicken goats. We we were already recommending chickens. So, yeah. So, you can allow it that way. And but to having two horses doesn't make you a farm.

No. And I wouldn't say it did, but they're egg zone. And typically in egg zoning, it's you're allowed to have people have livestock in egg zone. So, be careful how you phrase that. Livestock. Is it? You have to go back to your definitions. How many times I said a couple go to your definitions. Go to your definition. I know I saying that you go to your definitions because that's where it tells you you can do that. But uses customarily. Oh, it's right here. There's under other or somewhere uses customarily allowed.

What I'm thinking is five acres for this. They've got uses clearly incidental to the allowed principal uses and structures. It's it's it's a judgment call by the administrator. And if that's what you typically allow, then it's fine. It doesn't need to be in here. It'll only need to be in here if somebody gets too many horses and it creates a problem. Oh, that's regulate the numbers or goats or whatever. I wouldn't want to regulate that. No, not at all. Um, and I don't think they Let's see. I'm trying to Oh, no. You won't have to unless somebody becomes a problem. 10% of the people create the reason for us to have this set of rules.

Sure. This is residential. 5 acres residential and they've got horses out of this on yours. Okay. So, what are you thinking of? So, to me it sounds like it's common. It's customary. It's incidental. It's secondary. There it's not a riding stable. It's not if we start if we start splitting them.

Oh, when you're looking at that, go to the zoning layer. Don't look at what the classification is under beacon because that's telling you the classification of zoning. Where do I have to go under that one? Um, the drop down arrow. Oh, so now on the left layers layers. There we go. So click um district county zoning and if it doesn't light up a different color like yellow, it's zone A1. Like white. Well, that's zoning code A1. Yep. Yeah, they are. There's there's

because you four houses there and they're all A1. Yeah. And you would have surprised me because most of our 5 acre tracks, you're not going to have um zoned A ones or R1 rather. They are A1. Never mind. They're going to be zone A. And that's where I, you know, if we can only teach a few people at a time how to use Beacon, that classification, when you pull up the parcel report, if it says R, that's the classification. That's what the assessor uses. That's not the zoning letter. That's good to know.

You can have the assessor add a phrase like not to be used for sale purposes. We had I think we had that done at the B County. Try and clarify it because it's I'll tell you it's pretty confusing because you call you use the word classification in your zoning. You use the word classification in when you're talking about the zoning class. Yeah. when you're talking about the classification for property taxes and people's eyes roll up in the back of their head and they don't know what they're doing. So I I'm pretty sure the view county did that for us. I don't think we want to do that here.

So it says not to be used after it says whatever the zoning classific or the property land use classification is. It says not to be used for zoning purposes. That's what this says too. No, this is for tax purposes only, not to use for zoning. Zing there. Yeah. Sorry. Back. Check. Check. Done. Done. Done. Good job. All right. All right. Bless off task for

um the next the next section is a schedule of required parking stacking and loading requirements. Um there's not a lot of information about um parking requirements and regulations in your ordinance. You're just kind of supposed to know what we need to say stuff. So we just we decided we better figure out a way to help people understand this. So one of the things is how you're calculating. Um, one of the things that we do is if you don't have enough, we can sometimes you can um some communities give people what's called a credit. Um, I mean there are could be a house that didn't have a driveway or didn't have all street parking. Okay. You know, your grandfather did. Um, and we in fact will give you credit for two spaces that you use for your house. Just another way to try to not put so many regulations on people that they have expenses, try to come into compliance, kind of let things work out as they worked out for a while. And if there there's not issues, then I think this is a this has been a good practice for for the projects I've worked on. One of the other things we do is if you have more to one use, you can kind of combine um parking to meet those needs. Um one of the ideas to or ways to do that is um using shared parking. This business is open these hours. I I have something else that's using them these hours. Good example might be a church. The business is there Monday through Friday. The

church uses the parking on Saturday and Sunday. That'd be an example of sharing the parking. So both entities don't have to put in this their own parking. They can share it. Um just trying to be a little bit more flexible, a little more clear. Um if we want to go to the next page, [Music] this You want me to save on that? So, this next section talks about um stacking and this really only applies to anything that has a drive-thru. So that could be commercial uses, financial institutions, um other things that require some staffing are car washes, gas stations, and so this is this is here to provide some guidance that along with parking, you need to have room for your drive-thru or your car wash bay. What's the next pass? Oh, all street loading requirements. So in uh your industrial districts there is mention of off streetet loading requirements for everything in the district. Well everything in the industrial district didn't necessarily need that. Um so kind of pulled out the three main categories there that typically do bulk storage, manufacturing, processing, wholesaling, warehousing. But we also dropped in child care center, child development home, preschool, elementary and secondary schools because uh the schools for example there can be a queue for

parents or buses or both um for child care, child development and preschool. There may be there's often a need for parents to drop off pick up the children. So then the next thing that comes up is okay. So now tell me what my parking requirements are. So it becomes this this next matrix C3 that shows you what are the minimum requirements and this includes parking stacking and loading. So for most of these as we get on to p as pull this on to page 12 you'll see most of them just have parking requirements. Some of those other uses that I talked about may have um a need for not just parking but also loading or staffing. And so this is just an attempt to to put those all into place and make sure they're the same. Some of your uses had two, some had two, some had three different parking requirements. Uh, so this is a good way to get them to all have just one parking requirement. So this is really just repeating information we looked at the districts originally. We moved them out of the districts and put them into these um charts. this this was what Becca felt would be easier for her to keep track of and also to make sure people knew they had parking requirements and how to find them. And so this is just a series of again separate or similar land uses again what we've looked at in the past arranged a little bit differently. its

own section. And that's kind of the end of that first section 2.1. We get I think that we get one and we're on to the clean version. [Music] Now clean version. So if you had any questions happy to answer those otherwise we can move on. What's next? So the next thing after that is we we come to R1. So I need you to just a little bit so we can see the chart. Oh, that kind of Yeah, I know. Whenever I say it sounds right to me, but it's not. Okay. So there's this one is we're back to that idea of we want to accommodate areas that were planned before May 6, 1976 when zoning went into effect. These numbers are based on leisure lake and this is what we looked at previous and then now we're coming into this discussion of standard and alternative that we talked about earlier. So alternative regulations are for anything that was planted before May 6, 1976.

And so do you want to go to the next and so that that difference between standard and alternative plays out and you'll see it when we get to the the district language. This chart was in the last was in our was in our cover letter when we looked at R1. Um so this is again this is based on our analysis of existing lots in these areas showing the whole chart. There go. So then when we get to the red line version, so we're making use of of tables that are a little bit different than what we looked at last time. We fold the parking table, put it in that section we just left. And so now what we're what we're have in the clean version is the uses and then the any additional regulations. So these reflect the inclusion of adult daycare family home uh child care when we get to accessory uses through that. So you you've seen this information before there I think there may be some titles you need to um so we replaced what was in just this kind of loose chart into a real chart and we just keep doing it with a use. [Music] So then we have a chart for accessory uses again where we park the parking column will come out um in what's in

this. So the first set was standard anything after May 6 1976 and then we have some accessory structures in R1 that were alternative. So each of these sections has a standard and alternative table section. Conditional uses um have their own set of regulations that are in 2.9. And so this again here's your list. Burkings the earlier section the additional regulations will be in the other section. And so everything that follows here um from where uh starts number one rail threats that have been moved down to mobile homes all of that text is going to go into section 2.9 talked about that. So we've looked at this and kind of scroll through it. There really hasn't been a lot of changes here because we've already looked at this um development regulations. This is a little bit different. So you can see so this the first set of development regulations has the word standard added to it and oops I think the next one I can't [Music] um got the labels correct to the opions. So we can separate out standard and alternative

um charts and um so Becca asked if we can kind of break these out. So you see there's a like in table F2 we've put accessory uses and structures and then put those headings in there for that accessory dwelling unit and others then condition uses and so forth. So we're trying to make the chart easier to read and this by by separating them in kind of chunking them into sections like this. And then there's a set of notes wherever it's need in push that there you can just so notes it'll say see a note and so that's where there might be some differences those were these were things that were in your um in your current ordinance or else added so that we could we could kind of make this work. There's a difference if residential uses have private sector and well or have municipal services community services. So the I've double checked these numbers. I think we have all of the um the setbacks in order now. If you want to keep showing through this this is really what you this is what you saw before keep going. So except that now it's I broke them out like there was a lot all in one chart. So we broke it up. But if you keep going down or show

I was just peeking because I know we had talked about something and I didn't know if those got address. So then we come to those diagrams that we looked at last time for calculating average front yards back or rear yard and then side then the side facing garage and then I think there's a very good and then um [Music] so that all of those things replace that section right there. So the idea was, well, let's create a a zone for all these areas that were planted. And then our discussion midway through our process was maybe we could leave a R1 and create these separate set of standards. When we did that, um, we felt like we had to put in a set of charts. There's a lot more charts. Um, but this means nobody has to get resolved. So there's no so you don't have to sit through a res of lots of people wondering what you're really doing. What you're really doing is helping them, but they won't police you this way. Um, we don't have to do a resoning, but we we make these regulations work. But it does mean we have more jars. So it gets I know it gets a little lazy. It might be easier. If you want to, we can go to the clean version. So, this is more likely with the clean version. Go ahead and

the use and where else to find more information. And that's the standard. And if you go to the next page, there's the alternative. Go to the accessory. There's your standard uses and layouts to get more information. And then you go down and there's your alternatives. And then it just repeats itself through each of the types of uses in the same format. When you get to development regulations, it gets a little busier. But again, Becca and I hope to get it separated out so it becomes a little easier to follow. But again, we're still doing standard and alternative. So, there are a lot of charts. I'm hoping that they're they're easier to read than than not. Um, and then Whoops. And then what we do at the end is we tell you, oh, signs, you go to the sign section. Uh, parking, you go to the parking section. Um, more information. And so um we're really focusing on uses and where the buildings are placed, where the parking is placed, and then the more specifics you go somewhere else for us. So that's that's R1. Questions on that? [Music] When we get to A1, it's a lot of the same thing because we have the same issues. If you want to scroll through next um so again, the cover letter letter is almost the same. Here's your same chart. Here's the same information. You can go on the red line.

So, it looks the same. We've got the same thing about um the standard just giving indications where to go for extra or for additional information. So this is really set up the same way pulling out the parking using charts rather than kind of lists. again alternative standard standard alternative standard. Um I put in uh I keep I'm keeping track also for you of wherever we've like consolidated uses or fill in new categories. So those are off in the comments. So when this this is out for the public they're able to keep track of that as are we. Um, and so we might want to just go ahead and go to the go to the cool version.

I was just looking at something here for going through. Um, so this was what we end up with for the I'll try not to okay the Facebook and not be funny lots pre-existing pre-existing we um I have some real world scenarios and we might want to look at some of those and oh that's not it tonight not tonight no not tonight so now you see this one is looking the very much the same

but there's a lot of charge but try. Some of them are busy, but some of them are a little cleaner now with the setup. So, I think we can just there may be there may be changes in titles in A1, but I think we need to get we need to get through the overall concepts and setups that um we worked out. And um so the are you all okay with these charts the way we've set them up? I think I guess you know the real question is does everything look good to you better. Okay. Yeah.

I like the makes it easier for somebody to just pinpoint what they're looking at. Yeah. And to me that seems like that but you're the one that's going to be working with them the most. So that's you know the important thing. Yeah. He doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, I in about half an hour. Yeah. Or an hour. That's true. Yeah. Words can get really wordy. Too many words out there, people just stop reading. Yeah. Words get wordy. Yeah. Words get way wordy. Overwhelming. And so overwhelming. And if you just want to like pinpoint to your heart and read across, I think it just simplifies.

Great. So I would suggest if if you're all right with it, we just look at the the clean versions of C1, M1, M2. I'm a little tired of red lighting, so yeah. Well, I think it basically it's we're looking at the same thing with the different areas and so yeah. So if you if you want let's just go ahead Lorian and jump to the clean version of um the C1 I think it is C1. Yeah.

And so these are these are following a format. So um we can just kind of scroll through these. Do you want Becca to run that thing while you're I was looking for maps. Yeah. I was getting crossed. Okay. Well, we're not going to talk about those tonight. I know. I was just thinking list so I have them. I'll You want her to drive that while you do that? Okay. Okay. Make a list for it next week. Email. So, um tonight Thursday, we're gonna have another meeting on Thursday. August.

So, there we go. It's pretty short once you get all that stuff out of there and put it somewhere else. M1 do the clean version of this. Yeah, it's easier to read. It is much easier. But the red version is really important to track what happened. So, thanks for bearing with me on those. So, again, we can just scroll through these and they're set up so that they're um there they are. for sure. Um, we're right through this. Go through M2. We're just going to skip the red line.

Um, and so this one reflects some of the change and some of the changes we discuss with the others, the charts and so forth. So, what's next? Oh, the procedure. There you go. I'm done.

This is Becca and Lori Charl or I can talk through it. You'll talk to everybody. Okay. Go on. So, the rules of procedure you already you had in effect. Um the this commission wasn't in is not in the current ordinance which I find to be shocking and and these are this is not your rules of procedure. This is how you conduct your meetings. This is how you vote. This is how you handle vacancies. This is the order of your hearings typically. This is um how you make decisions, what what's required for making motions. So, these are pretty much the same as what you already had. What we've done is we've tried to um I already see a type of this, but that's okay. Um the idea was these are these are fairly consistent with the board of adjustment. So, the the processes are similar. We went to some training and we looked at something language for conflict of interest and and so forth. Um, you know, the familiar familial relationship with the applicant or the property owner change.

There could be some of that in this county. No, except for me. So, we have to go Chris third degree of

I don't know. Do you are you thinking you need to spell that out? I mean, no, I'm okay. I'm kidding. I I think we'll be fine. Well, the one thing I will say familial relationships with the applicant, does that mean third cous direct? Yeah, I was going to say, does that mean, you know, third cousin once removed? I mean, you know, how far does that go? I met you once. So, we Well, we should probably And we do have a lot of third cousins once or twice in Jackson County. Yeah. um immediately that's spelled out in my training that we I didn't go

it is so what I'm going to suggest where he is I'm not sure this guy talked about interest

the training was before so oh here's how I can make think make think make think make think make think make think make think make think make think make think make think make think you'd like me again I think we're done because we need to make sure this matches that training that we So I got they're done. It's not even like you're troopers and but it's should not you should be able to walk. So I didn't we we lifted that the board of adjustments back then ran it by then I did that first and that's your first building. So I do have one thing I wanted to talk about with our discussion.

So whatever the training is [Music]

said she's going to talk about schedule morning. You know what? We don't talk about it. Okay.

Now, because we're gonna talk about it in either Wednesday or Thursday and then we'll fill you in. We are not going to get a public hearing done by July. We're not going to get in my office either because we need to give you time to look at the and some of it you haven't seen at all. So, it's some of seen. So, it's not new, but it's still Um, but I'm not sure there is there's any rush on any blank doesn't have a moratorum that attached to it. So, it it might be September. We're going to chitchat about that. Let you know. We were racing to meet Lor's retirement and we didn't make it.

Well, and then Lori missed a lot of time. So, and you were busy you know with wind then data processing then this so we'll visit and we'll see how it goes forward but I think we got very good amount work done tonight thank you very much thank you thank you so we're up to number six items from the commission You got anything? Besides this being Lor's official last meeting, right?

It is. So, we do have a particular

and I'm not speaking for everybody here, but I thank you very much for everything you did for the last how many years? Just three. April and 12. Yeah. Well, you made us get a lot done. You got you got more done in three years than some other commissioners got us done a lot longer than that. But I I can honestly say Tom and I have been here forever. And I seriously I don't even know I'm not even sure how many years I've been on board and Tom's been here longer. Right. And when I came right since Jesus was a corporal. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah, I like it.

Even my husband says, but I can tell you we've accomplished more in the three years you have been here than we did in all of the years that I've been on board. There were many years we didn't even have a meeting. Oh, what do we Oh my gosh, you guys. You realize it's been two years and you had a meeting every month. Yeah. Well, see, that's what you realize. Let's see. Lori, I think it's fair to say, you know, I was here for a long time when David Manning was and we hadn't meeting in a month.

And so you got done and I I honestly feel this way. You got more done in all the time from David Manning until you came here than in in between because we really hit it hard and we did not hit the guard, you know, in between those two times. So, you know, and and there was reasons for that, but anyway, thank you. Oh, thanks. Thank you. Thanks. I know there was some deferred things and that's, you know, I saw some gaping holes and like, oh, we need to fill this gaping holes or canyons. That too. You will learn this. Thank you. Becca's going to do a great job. She'll be fine.

Yeah. And I know we stood out a little bit of money for ECIA for touage. Yes. So, it's all good. No, thank you guys. You guys have all been good to work with and I appreciate all of you guys. And oh man, for to only lose one person while we were working on that damn wind energy. Turn off only if they close the meeting. But uh yeah, they got to close the meeting before I can turn off. We still have so we have anything from the staff that needs to be addressed.

I will have an email for you. Um I'm going to ask you guys to look at the A1 alternative um setbacks. Um I have some real life scenarios that I'll parcel numbers I'll send you guys. And I really there's going to be a few things out there that just don't the 10 ft isn't going to work on. Um, some of them are maybe by highways or um hard roads. And the this we I I do agree we need to some of these smaller lots that were platted in 1850, 1920, whatever it might be that are sitting out there in the middle of nowhere. And there's one in mind because it's been a problem child for two and a half years and now someone else bought it and is trying to build a darn thing. Um, so yeah, we we do need to recognize the differences in those smaller what's legally non-conforming lots right now because the current setbacks don't fit and to try to keep them out of the board of adjustment process or giving us a little better guidance is um I think better. But I think the 10 foot front, 10 foot rear, 10 foot sides, excuse me, need to be adjusted just make them a little bit bigger. So, but I'll send you guys some examples of parcel numbers that you'll and I ask you to put 10 foot behind the right away on each of those and you're still going to be man right up on the road. So, oh, but Laura's done a great job. I don't want to take anything away from all the work that

she's put into this. Thank you. Really? I mean, I'm not Yeah, I'm just seeing some things that little things. Okay. Yeah. But we want to get it get it right. This is our shot. Yes. Okay. The next meeting will be 18 18th of now. 700 p.m. Now entering a motion to adjourn. I move. I second. All in favor? I opposed. actually on the ice