Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay. Okay. Call may order. Uh Becca, you want to do roll call for us, please. Brian Denma here. Christine F here. Lu here. Emirita Key here. Sandra Dlock here. Tom Stewart yes. Mike B here. Has everybody been able to review the minutes from the April 21, 2025 meeting for any additions or corrections? Move that we approve the minutes from the April meeting. Second. All in favor? Anybody opposed? Okay. So, next up is case uh ZC25-02. Um, according to my rules here, I guess we're going to ask for the applicant's presentation at this time if you're present. Yep. If you'd like to stand and give us your name, please. I'm Tyler Cipher. Smith and Steve Cipher. Okay. Um, basically what we're requesting is uh 2 acres of our property on 320th Street reszoned commercial um or whatever it needs to be. I believe commercial. Um my dad is retiring here soon. Um, and we're looking to um, utilize some of that building that we have for um, doing some like engine machine work and things of that nature. [Music] Um,

the it basically we want to do things the right way, you know, get it zoned properly for what we want to do. Um, you know, we don't want to have any issues or anything like that. Um, so that's why we're here. Okay. Thank you. Laura, do you want to give us the rundown on Yeah. on this? So, uh, as you can tell on the proposal, they're looking at the front, the first 230 ft for the reasonzoning, uh, as measured from the center line of the road. So, that takes us about this far into the property. And we, as a rule, don't always Well, I can't find anything. Tom, maybe you have some history. Um, can you ever remember where we've reszoneed a portion of the property? We can from my understanding, but to keep Okay, they own almost 18 acres, so they wanted to keep keep the bulk of it in egg the what they aren't going to be using for and plus that gives them the opportunity they're potentially going to be building on this site. So, it would give us Do you remember evering a portion? Lori had asked me this question um on the phone a while back and I I went through and we talked about some of them and no short answer is no. I know it's possible, right? But normally people want to reszone a whole, you know, area rather than a portion about them. Not when they're, you know, but I couldn't I couldn't come up with a specific example. No. Okay. But they're looking at just using a specific area for the commercial zoned uh for the commercially zoned property which they're talking

about um a commercial automotive truck and farm implement repair. And um you can see what some of the requirements are. you know, does it accommodate growth um encourage future growth and to occur in compact areas? I won't read through all that, but we can look through that. And I do know that you have um people that are uh wanting wanting to uh to talk that have so when you open up the public side, I do know you're going to have some people there. So any other questions from me? Uh it fits in with, you know, the land use, keeping things on a hard surface road. uh but at the same time uh I don't have any direct concerns myself. Okay. Well, according to the report that we have in the in our packet, I didn't see anything. Okay. Specific there either. Yeah. And and I just wanted to say just because I can't remember it was doing it. I looked it over too and I didn't see anything specific that troubled me with it either. Yeah. I did reach out to another zoning administrator and she's like, "Yeah, we got them everywhere." Yeah. I mean, I'm like, "Really?" I wasn't calling up to Elma or excuse me, um, Clayton. So, but yeah, they have properties that are reszone specific to a building. Really? Uhhuh. And I'm like, but uh but

uh until less than a half hour ago, I had not heard of any concerns. However, that has that has changed. So, okay. So, I guess at this time we can open it up for public comments to whoever u if we have signin sheet. Yeah. So, you have one here, but you're going to have a few online. One here. Yeah. But there's some order in which they can then they're going to go pro first. I don't know about that. We haven't had to worry about that in a while. So, uh, the way the way we used with the people in favor, okay, if there was anybody in favor, they would comment. Okay. And then, so we didn't have a mismash of one person wanting it and the next person not and back and forth. Got it. So, my guess, we can do it that way. Yeah. So, we'll do the pro people for the reasoning change first. Okay. If there's anybody here first, we'll take those people first. U we'll limit it to three minutes. Anukica, you want the timing? So, is there someone here that's for it? And then we'll go to whoever's on I'll go start down the list. Okay. Uh let me open this up so I can see. Uh wait. Whoops. Sorry. Before you do that, do you already have another repair location? Yes. So, I have got um it's called Cyber Performance, but I do I do a lot of um the majority of my business is remote. I do a lot of tuning and stuff like that. Um I do get I would say 5 to 10% of my business. I have people that drop their vehicles off and you know we we tune

them and stuff like that in person. Um this is not cypher performance at all. This is you know basically um so I'll give you a little bit shorter or a little bit longer rundown. My dad did engine machining professionally for about a decade at Grove Automotive in a Buick and so um he's got a really strong background in that stuff like that and um he is retiring you know very soon um and we do we have on the side since he quit grow done custom engines for people for as long as I can since I was this tall you know and um with that being said um we want to when he retires, he's gonna have some time to fill. So, he wants to be able to, you know, do this and and do it appropriately and do it as a service that, you know, generates an income and, um, pays taxes. So, we want to do it right. You know, we're not trying to do something under the table or anything like that. Um, my dad owns Cypress Apple Orchard, and I'm sure a lot of you are probably well aware of that. that takes a good four months out of his year um to just do that. So, this wouldn't even be a old-time thing at all. Um there's not going to be any sort of traffic or customers coming in and out. Um the engines that get built largely are all paid for and spoken for. Um and the only time that there's someone customer interaction is when they pick it up. Um, it's not like there's general public coming in and viewing things or anything like that. Um, it's a very low-key someone requests an engine build, you do it. Um, you know, whatever it takes, 3 weeks, four weeks, whatever it may be, when it's done, they come pay their bill and pick

it up. Um, yes, there will be things that I mean, of course, if there's something that I need done engine-wise for cipher performance, I'm going to have my dad build the engine. You know, I'm not going to outsource it somewhere else. So, um, those two will work hand in hand together, which makes sense. Um but there is no [Music] um no cyber performance stuff that's going to happen at that property if that makes sense. Are there other employees beside the two of you then? No storage. And where where is your other business located? Um it's right on uh Highway 52 South. It's in View County. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Okay. Steve, retired dad. Um, yeah, I'm going to be retiring and this is going to be basically um a machine shop. We don't have have much room where we're at left. We thought with this with this building we have maybe we could we could put the the machine shop down there. Not not a full pledge machine shop. Um, but we're starting to buy some stuff because the lead time on getting these getting these engine blocks of stuff machined is just terrible. I mean, you're not talking six months, you're talking almost a year sometimes and things like that. And the lead time for for our business, we just you just can't do that. So, we thought, well, maybe we'll purchase some machines and start machining some of our own blocks, stuff like that to get the lead time down. And that's where this is all generic. And that building is the room that we have. That's why we're trying to trying to to utilize that space now that that our lead times are so great with the other machine shop. That's where the salt pan came to be. So, this is an existing building. Yes. And how big a

building is it? 60 by 80. Um, it has a 20 foot um add-on on the side closer to the road. Um, currently I keep implement stuff in there. Um, I've got cattle. I've got, you know, um some crop ground that we rent and that we use. Um so that's basically what that's okay. So Lori, you want to mind there? Sure. Chase, could you unmute um if you have any comments or concerns? There you go. Case, can you unmute? There you go. Whoops. Okay. No. There you go. Whoops. Chase, you you're muted again. Try it again. Thought he said no issues. Oh, no issues. Okay. I couldn't understand him. Um, Bashan, would you do you have a comment? Do you care to unmute? This will be your only time for public comment. Can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. Okay. I'm right next to them. I'm directly west where their building is. Can you please for our records? What's that? Can you get identify yourself for our records, please? Peggy Bashan. Thank you. You bet. Um, I guess my only concern is that I know they said there wouldn't be a lot of public um, that kind of thing. Most of us, I think a lot of us out there are out there for one reason. We like being in the country. It's nice. It's peaceful. It's quiet. We don't really want to be by businesses. That's I have miniature horses right there type thing. I've had them up there

close to 30 years now. Um, so that's kind of a concern. But the other thing is is once it's reszoned to commercial and even if it starts out like that, is it going to be something that possibly in the future grows and gets larger and you know now we do have more traffic and and more business and and types of that going on. I guess that's that's my concern. And you're going to have to have delivery, I would imagine, of engines and parts and stuff like that coming and going. That probably won't affect me as much as um maybe um Corenza and Kman's across the way type of thing, but um I don't know. I don't know how they have that planned out, you know, and I don't know how big of trucks will be coming in for deliveries and that type of thing. Okay. Thank you. Um, let's go to Papa T's cell phone. That's my son Devon doing that to me a long time ago. That's that's uh Terry Keer son, the neighbor to the east next to Chase and Tyler. So, you know, I obviously don't have any concerns with Steve and Tyler doing, you know, their machine work in there, etc. My my only thing was Peggy mentioned it earlier the noise a little bit relative to the noise and being peaceful and quiet. I mean there might be a potential someday I build right next to there you know Tyler. So I just want you know to have a little bit of concern there just as far as I don't know you know what kind of testing you have to motors and things like that. Um the other thing is you know just you know the the things outside but I I know I can't control that. That's everyone's own business as far as what they have. But, you know, especially if we're going to build next door someday, I just uh I

just want to make sure my value of my land just doesn't decrease because we're, you know, the approval. But, you know, good for Tyler, good for Steve. I'm happy for you guys. I I uh don't have any concerns really as far as what you got going on. But like um Peggy said also like the future like you sell the building or something like that to somebody else. Is there any restriction on that as far as commercial or can anyone just then buy it from a commercial standpoint and do whatever they want to with it? Um that would be my question. Great. Thank you. Uh Pat, hey everybody. So this is Pat Kman. We live right across 320th Street um from from these guys. So, um I guess yeah, the biggest concern, one of them, I guess, yeah, the noise that's been brought up, too. If you're doing performance engines, how do you test those out and rev them up, make sure they're going to perform um to that point. Um another one was just from a safety aspect, if there's to the deliveries and if there's semi-trailers with performance vehicles on it, I know the implements like they've been kind of in and out and there's semis or anything parked alongside the road there. Um, that's my concern, but I think that's the the bigger one. So, yeah, happy to support small businesses. I'll say that for sure. That's awesome. You guys are doing that. Um, but yeah, as a resident nearby, yeah, the the quiet and then just the the traffic of things and like Terry mentioned, the the property value, does it increase, decrease, and if it is sold down the road, yeah, what turns it into being a, you know, a big bigger implement that that starts, you know, say they're doing pulling tractors or anything anything bigger, louder, I guess, is our concern. That's why we bought our property over here is the the

quietness. We're kind of out in the I'll say the middle of nowhere more so of Jackson County and and appreciate that. Okay. Thank you. Um all I can identify this one this phone by is Samsung SMG. Any There you go. Uh this is Karenza Capman and Pat pretty much spoke for both of us and yeah just very concerned about yeah that's what is going in there right now but in the long run when is that going to change and yeah we've had the traffic issues and concerns about the property values and stuff and and we're there for the peace and quiet and it doesn't uh I guess doesn't quite fit the bill for peace and quiet I guess kind of in some of our feelings. So thank you. All right. And now I have one that's just identified as U. Well, here I'm going to jump to the one where I have a phone number first. Um the 581 544. Any uh there you go. Yes. I'm Tyler Peters. I live down the road next to Peggy Bashan. Yeah, I have the same concerns kind of. Uh we've seen a lot of uh heavy equipment getting offloaded on the highway there. And once they get it zoned commercial, they could pretty much do whatever they want with it afterwards also. Or if they sell it, that's what I'm kind of worried about. How big is this going to get? It might start out small but then end up being a big operation. And uh there's a lot of I mean people are going to get cars and stuff like that and I got a feeling I don't know if they're going to be putting engines in there or if they're going to be putting it somewhere else but it's time to get the new engine they're going to want to test it out. I know we have like a mile straight stretch right in front of my house and people have been running up and down the road already and I don't

want that to happen anymore than it already is. Um, I just like everybody else want the peace and quiet and I'm glad that there's small businesses coming up and stuff like that and everything's good that way. Just we moved out of town to get away and be in the peaceful country. So that's all I have. Thank you. All right. The next one is just iPhone. iPhone, do you have any comments? Person that's just identified as iPhone. If you have any comments, please unmute. This will be your last time to comment. Mr. Chair, you're move there. So, you have to rebug any of those. Okay, that was that was we used to have a So, did we have we gone through all the pros and the cons? To the best of my knowledge, we've covered everybody that's here on that. Okay. Okay. That's why I want to make sure. Oh, well, excuse me. We haven't got Mr. Kenneth. Yeah, I'm Gary Kane. I live at 2994. It's the farthest house there on the left there. Um, this property actually belonged to my grandpa and grandma at one time. uh concerns I've had on this is like if it does get reszoned and uh if they wanted to sell it and I've seen it sold numerous times

uh in the well let me see I'm trying to think was sold in 99 for the first time from my grandmother and it's been resold to my knowledge age four times. Um, another concern I have is uh that I've come home uh where they're unloading heavy equipment in the dark uh a foot and a half onto the highway which I feel is very dangerous. Um, just uh another uh thing I have is they have an identical building to this. I'm trying to figure out why they're not using that and because I was under the assumption when they built built the building they were going to use it for storage. So that's my concerns. They're now they're here for something else. We're just here to live. Oh, okay. Well, I Well, excuse me. I assume that you were here for something else. I'd hate to have you. So, yeah, we'll ask for any rebuttal from from the gentleman to say something. Um, that's the the reason why we're only asking for two acres because that's what we that's what we want the concerns of it growing to be larger. That's why we're only asking for 2 acre to be resoneed instead of the 18 acres. Um, the other thing is for the noise, we're not planning on doing any engine installs or anything like that. This is going to be the machine shop. And if anybody knows what an engine machine shop is, it's just machining the engines, assembling them.

the engines will be put in at the customer's site most of the time. We very rarely put in an engine um and things of that nature. And the building that we did put up over there, that is storage. That's why we're not using it for this. Um and and that's why we we would we're trying to do it down here. I'll add um so yes, so there'll be no testing of the engines. There's no testing of cars. There's nothing like that. Um, I'm not sure if any of you are familiar with the machine shop at all or not, but um, there's not much noise. Um, it's all inside. A lot of times you don't even open the doors because during the summer you don't want the moisture in and obviously during the winter it's cold. Um, so, you know, you don't want moisture on a fresh engine to get rusty or anything like that. So, the minimum amount of noise the machining equipment would make, um, you probably could stand right outside the door and not hear it. Um, as far as testing stuff going up and down the road, just that like my dad said, um, the little bit of installs we do, we do them at our other shop on 52. And that's to be honest with you, I I don't like even doing that stuff. I would rather do the engine, give it to the customer, let them install it, and then we tune it remotely. Um, which, you know, I do that through their cell phone now. It's pretty crazy. But anyhow, um that's kind of the um the business model there. As far as everyone's concerned with if the property gets sold and remains commercial, what could someone do with it? Yes, I agree 100%. I I I would not want that next to my property either if someone zone, you know. So, I'm okay with if we have to do something differently there. If we sell it, it has to get zoned back egg or whatever. I would be completely okay with that. Um, I'm not looking to zone this commercial and try and sell it for more money or

something. I mean, I'm that's not We're looking to do this through the proper channels so we can um again, you know, have a a revenue stream for my dad when he retires and um fill a void that we desperately need because we can't wait, you know, if you tell a customer they have to wait 12 months to get an engine back, I mean, that doesn't work, you know. Yeah. I got a question and then a comment. Um what about this offloading of machinery on the highway? Yeah, so um I've got a lot of um machinery. I've got um skid loaders, excavators, stuff like that. Um I do a lot of um like we've got um different properties around and quite frankly I'm a big kid. Um when I got bigger, my toys got bigger. Um, so, uh, I like my big toys and some people spend money on liquor, some people spend money on other things. I spend money on equipment. That's what I like. They're my toys. Um, nothing more, nothing less. I mean, I I, you know, I didn't like my equipment. So, I've got um a 135 excavator, a D6 dozer, 750 dozer, um, so are any of these things related to the business we're talking about? These are just personal. These are personal. Okay. That's that's Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I try. So you you even if we did the resoning, you might be doing that part anyway. Oh yeah. That's all my Yeah, that's all my Okay. Like I said, that's Yeah. Then then my comment is, hey, Monica, we can do a resoning with restrictions. It's an insight. That's an inside joke. So, with the uh unloading along the highway, is there

somewhere where you can get the truck off the road into your property? There is. And the guy who hauls my stuff back and forth, um you can easily pull in there with a tractor trailer. It's not a problem. Um he's actually a good friend of mine. Um, if that is a concern, I'm completely okay with telling him, "Hey, you've got to pull in there unload." I'm cool with that because that's safety. And I, you know, I didn't even know that happened. I mean, I don't I don't a lot of the stuff I don't haul myself unless the small stuff I I mean, I'm sure everyone sees me in and out with the pickup and the trailer and stuff like that. That's me. As far as semiis, that's not me, you know, but I can't legally haul a excavator or dozer. I have to pay to have that done. So, um, at that point, you know, I Hey, hold them. I try to tell them that. Some of them I don't think they think they can pull in there, but they can, you know, so I can make a better point to make them, you know, tell them, "Hey, you got to pull in." I'm completely fine with that. And we made the driveway larger. We did. I mean, we can do that now. That was in the early stages when we put the building in. There's actually a bigger rock in. Yeah, there's a um there's a fiber line there and I had to talk to I talked to Terry Keer about moving fence post so we could actually make it so we could do just that. and you're completely fine. Hey, yeah, do that. It sounds good. And so, but yeah, anyhow, but in other words, that that unloading and loading of equipment will happen whether this gets res. Oh, absolutely. Okay, that's right. It really has no issue with resing part. Yeah. Okay. So, I understand. Okay. Has anybody got anything else? Guess we're done. May I just this is just a carryover. Um, we failed to shut off the chat feature, but since it popped up, self-resone, is there any control over what changes can happen to ask for a business or will they just need to fight it fight that if it does?

Well, because I remember a couple years ago when we were looking at a resoning of a certain church up north of Lamont, people worried about a gentleman's club coming in. So they wanted to fight that because you know so because you don't know what could come in later. Well, we get back to a philos philosophical discussion here. Back when David Manning was zoning administrator, we would often times zone with with restrictions specifically to that zoning. And I know Monica rails at that. I I hate that. I really do. But that was a standard practice in the past and it was a useful tool. I and and my argument against that is we're reszoning and if somebody's going to buy a piece of property, it's going to be important for them. I don't think we should place restrictions on it like that. That's always been my philosophy and that's where Tom and I have always differed. Yep. We have always differed on that. always different on that. Yeah. And and and I respect that you have your position even though it's wrong. Well, you have your position and it's wrong. It was wrong when they did it before. Yeah. May I add in um the comments about selling place and stuff like that? Um I know things can happen, things should change, whatever. Um that property is not going anywhere. I mean, that's going to likely get handed down to my children, you know. Um it's yeah that's it's paid for. It's not it's not going and that's not that'd be the last thing I would sell. Sure. We we appreciate that but things do change and we have to think about that. Yeah. Yeah. Um May I ask Tyler a question for you guys? Something I kind of you know we talked quite a bit. Do you mind? No, that's

okay. Um you had talked that someday you're hoping to build on this property. Yeah. That's a longterm long-term plan. You know, my thing when he asked when he mentioned that I feel like will help soon because that could speed this up without a reasonzoning as a homebased business. Sure. Since they're living on it and homebased businesses don't transfer and there are limits on homebased businesses. Um I mean that's not the case now because there is no home on that. So that would leave out any options of homebased business unless the owner actually resided on the property. I see. Um but that's kind of the meets Tom's criteria. So if it sells or changes hands that goes by um you know the the homebased business because that doesn't transfer from property owner to property owner. It's it's to that specific property owner for that specific business. Right. And that's and that's basically what I'm talking about. And what he also already said that he would be okay with is if you know if if something was to happen in the future, it would revert back to a and then the next person who wanted to use it would have to have it reszoned again, thus going through this whole process again and allowing neighbors to voice their concerns at that point. and and that's where I don't like to have restrictions based on okay when it's sold it reverts back and part of that is because we're policing again you know if it sells um do we really have all the communication and all of the zoning so we're putting more restrictions on you know the more things on the county employees monitoring all of this stuff. So, that that's number one. But number two, if we've got a business there,

they're looking at 200 feet. They're not looking at doing the entire parcel. Um, you know, there's only 200 feet that would be considered commercial. Well, you're not going to have an explosion of business on 200 feet of property. And so, for something like this, I don't think we should put any restrictions on it. And then but if there is a home that's put on it, it would it revert back to could it could it revert back to egg or could they come before and ask for it to revert back to? It's going to be egg because the part that they're not reszoning is where they'd be building and that is that is still zone A, right? I was going to say Monica, before we get mired down in the whole restrictions on zoning, we are talking of small parcel, right? So only so much could go there. So right. Yeah. If we reszone the two acres commercial, it's not like a big business is going to come in and exactly fill it up. So, yeah. Okay. You know, and I mean, as far as like the tractor or for the trucks and things like that, Tom, how many how many of us farmers have big semis come in? I mean, you know, to load grain and sometimes end up on the highway or on the road. Yeah. I mean, comes all the time. It it it does. So I understand where the neighbors are talking about this, but you've got a run around there. And my comment is you're saying this about this piece of property. What about the farmers around that have trucks that come in and load, right? That so I understand where you're coming from. I get it. I understand the safety issue, but farmers do the same thing now. So why are why are people upset about a business that may have equipment drain potentially come in? So I just playing

devil's advocate there. I want to add too. So our um like the parts that we get for engines and stuff like that, they're not they're not going to be on a semi. They're be they're going to be on a deliver on a UPS truck. I as it stands right now um they're not going to get delivered there. They get them delivered to the other because that's where we get all we get all our packages at one spot, you know, and then we can disperse from there. It's just much easier, you know. So whether it's reszoned or not, you can you're still going to have semis with your your toys on it. So it doesn't really matter one way or the other basically. Okay. So, we do need to close the public hearing first. Okay. Motion for that. I'll move that we close. I'll second that. All in favor? Anybody opposed? Okay. So, now we discussion and according to what we learned in the view, we need to have a motion and a second to even discuss it. Right. Yeah. So, I would move that we reszone the two acres to commercial with no restrictions. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. Second. Okay, now we can discuss it. For the sake of um learning, Tom, what type of restrictions would you have in the past placed on something like this? uh it would be like if it was to be sold in the future to be revert back to egg, you know, something in that in that nature. But like I said, with this with this small parcel, I'm not going to I'm not going to fight that battle here. I don't think it I don't think it's necessary. I think I think that is a useful tool in other situations, but here I I don't think it's worth, you know, putting a restriction on it. Okay.

Thank you. because it's not really suitable for I think Yeah. Yeah. So, just to be clear, if they do want to build a home on this property, they could not build it on the company if we change it to a commercial zone. Right. They wouldn't be building on that portion of the parcel. They' be building behind the 200 foot. Correct. Behind the 230 ft. Just so everybody's clear on Yeah. And we've already talked. He's talking more like if he was to build make sure that everybody knows that if he was to build it he'd have to be more than 200 foot from the center of the room. Yes. Well, you know what that really I mean who cares where he builds on on his property. Well, no. I'm saying he can't he went to build on that commercial for for res. And I Yeah, and I understand that. But I mean where he build I mean if No, I don't care where he builds. know what but I'm just saying but if he would build but he can't do it on the first 200 foot but if he would decide to build there he could come back in and ask for a reasoning yeah you're correct you're correct about that so yeah I'm just saying as as if we change it to the zoning will not be able to until it's changed back it's something else okay is there any more discussion on Um may I just from experience? Yes. Um one of the things you know that the neighbors are concerned about of course is is noise. They're out in the country for peace and quiet. Uh if this business is supposed to operate inside of a building, will it will be with doors shut? Um if you guys would want to have restrictions for

uh implementation of creating quiet, sorry, I can't even think. Uh but noise level noise. Yeah, noise control by working with doors closed noise mitigation just to preserve Monica doesn't like I don't like I don't like those because you know Mary that would have been another thing we could have done we could have put noise limits on it yeah but if he's bringing in if he's bringing in dozers and things like that that are you know personal that's going to be louder than what's coming out of the shot so you can restrict the shop, but neighbors could also complain about the equipment that's being on there, right? So, why would you want to do that? Okay. Did you ever set restrictions for time, hours of operation? Yeah. Not while I've been on the board. No, not while mine has been on the board, but yes, we did. I'm just looking for uh options that might help qu some of the concerns. Can I just say something? If if the family themselves were to build on that property and they were to do it to be in the country for peace and quiet, are they going to want something loud there either? So, I think if they were there, they would want to be treated the same as their neighbors or not want something wild in their front yard either. Let's talk later. I got a case at North Lamont. We'll talk about Well, I mean, I'm just Yeah, I have some cases that are, you know, put a bad case in my mouth here. You know, just you would most of

us would think that way, Sandra. Um, but yes, if I was working next to my own business, I'd want to make sure it was quiet. So, there's a motion and a second. One second. If everybody's done with discussing, we'll vote. Roll. Okay. And I just reread the motion just make sure everybody's clarified and what we're over what we're voting on. Re move to reszone the front 230 foot uh to commercial with no restrictions. Brian Vim. Yes. Christine Fob, yes. Monica Mchugh, yes. Emita Keys, yes. Sandra Gerlock, yes. Tom Stewart, yes. Mike Burke, yes. Passes. Thank you. Supervisors. Okay. Nice job. Yeah, Kent, that should have been part of your motion to recommend approval. Oh, yeah. Right, right, right. Recommend recommend approval. I'm pretty sure that's what I That was the intent. Okay, we know. Yeah, we know.

Okay, so now um We do the items from the public or did that was that considered part of that in our agenda? Um, we can No, we can go through that right now. And then we have our other uh then we have the stuff from Lauren. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, does anybody else from the public have anything to bring up? Randy, Rhonda, any comments? Nothing new. All right. Because this will be the only part of the meeting where you guys would have an opportunity to speak. Nothing new from all the Okay. All right. I guess we can go to Laura then. She's still with us. There she is. All right, Laura. We're ready for you. Okay. Sounds good. [Music] Good morning. So, the next step is to get this in front of the board of supervisors. It's not a done deal until they approve it. So, and they will also open up for public comment at that meeting. So, they recommend and then the board of supervisors has to approve. Okay. Is that one that we should be president? Probably. Okay. It's It's a good idea. Okay. Yep. And we'll let you know when it is. Thank you. Yep.

All right, Laura, let me get back to our packet here. I apologize for taking your time here. No, it's okay. No worries. I was working on other stuff. Well, I said we're ready for you and then I decide to talk. So, No problem. All [Music] right. Uh, okay. Oh, man. I did that and we just kind of Let me see if there's another way to do this where I can see it better. Well, you guys all have it in front of you, right? do the plus at the top next to ask. There you go. But then we don't see the whole thing. Scroll. We can scroll as we go through. Okay. Got it. Okay. Laura, now we're we decided we're ready. So, are you sharing your screen? Oh, you're not seeing it. Well, let's try it again. Okay. Now we're good. Okay, looks that looks like the right stuff. Okay. So, we'll just kind of walk through this this cover sheet for you and then we'll start getting into the items that are listed here. In terms of the website, we continue to post the work session packets as the meetings are

concluded. Um, and so we have the first four work sessions posted. For tonight's meeting, we're looking at revised draft chapters and some other updates. Uh what I'd like to have happen at this point given where we're at in the schedule is that we could have review and approval by consensus. Uh you can of course make uh motions and recommend changes. I'm just trying to nail things down because we're into we're getting into the home stretch here. So, I like to be able to know what we're what we're at, where we're at, and what we're going to be proposing for that formal public hearing. So, those we'll have those uh propos also some proposed uh rules of procedure if we have time. Those have been included just as part of this process. The chart at the bottom is the is the project schedule has been revised. The changes are shown in red. Um just basically just to show that we are continuing to um post on both the county websites um and the ECIA websites with those packets and our attention is continuing to do that. Um the board of adjustment, we've got uh three meetings with them. we meet with them uh next Monday just because of their scheduling with it took a little longer. So really kind of minor changes just but and moving everything out still within the time frame of the contract at this point. So with that Lori we could go to the next page. So the first chapter that we wanted to review with you was chapter three. This is for administration and

enforcement. Basically, this is the chapter that describes the zoning commission's or excuse me, the zoning administrator's role. Um, in here we've have identified a couple of updates. We have a new section about general procedures. We want to make we wanted to suggest that it's clear there's a pre-application conference. You pay a fee. You submit an application and there may be approval and referral of the application as part of our process. We also have a new section we want to test with you for administrative waiver. a chance to mod modify some setback requirements that meet criteria that are established by ordinance would take uh the fairly almost routine case load uh for the board of adjustment. Um would reduce that with their property pro improvements underway. The other new section is uh pretty simple. We talked about it in we've moved some things into temporary use permits that approve again moving these out of the um special exception realm for the board of adjustment. So we're going to ask you to review and um comment on this and then uh provide the actual regulations now Lori please. Okay. And just let you know your our it's either us or you. I'm not sure whose Wi-Fi is is causing us problems, but Okay. It's I think it's mine. Okay. So, please let me know if you can't hear

me. Okay. I got a message. It was unstable and then it went right away. So, hopefully Are you hearing me okay now? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Wonderful. Let's move ahead then. In this on this first page, we have removed a section on interpretations of provisions. It's actually already in the ordinance in an earlier chapter. And then let's see. I can't not sure what you're seeing. There we go. Chapter three, administration enforcement. Okay, now I I can see it. Thanks. you. We're in the red line. Yeah. It doesn't on my screen. It's not showing the whole thing. Is it that way for you, too? Well, we um Okay, that's that's okay. Yeah. See that? And are you guys okay following on your paper versus Yeah. on the screen? Okay. You guys okay not seeing it? You can scoot up. Yeah. called him early. I mean, okay. I I'm I'm sorry. I'm just trying to I was getting a little The way it's showing up on my screen is a little different maybe than what you're seeing or maybe not. We have it out now. If you Okay, if you if you need to zoom it in for your um audience, that's fine. What we did here was when we took this section out, we added that section I talked about for general procedures. talks about the pre-application conference application and fee. Uh the language that's in red is new. The language that's in green is original language that's been moved and maybe altered a bit. Okay, so that's what we have on this page. We can go to the next page if there aren't any questions.

One of the things I thought was important to add is to reflect how things are actually done in terms of the Azone administrator approval and referral. Um, from past experience as an act as an interim acting administrator for the county and working with Lori, we know sometimes things have to go to another department. They might have to go to another agency. outside of the county. Um, and so we want to make people understand there these are some of the things that could happen. There are also cases that have to go on to the zoning commission, the board of adjustment, the supervisors. There's also the sometimes where as a zoning administrator you may not feel you have um the confidence to make a interpretation and that it is okay for you ask help from your commission or your board of adjustment or board of supervisors following through the procedures. And we we really this is just really to kind of lay things out as a transparency uh for everyone on what the administrator's role is and what the responsibilities are when there are other parties involved in the review and approval process. Okay, the next page Lori I think is pretty minimal. It's um we just moved some language. That's the green cross out. We moved that to the earlier section. Let's go ahead and move to the next page because that's where we have some changes we'd like to review with

the commission. This is the section that talks about the administrative waiver. Uh this is based on something that we in we instituted in the city of Debuke. It was intended to take cases that were um that were just a a certain percentage of a setback requirement. The adjoining neighbors had no trouble with it. uh they signed a piece of paper that said they were okay with it and the zoning administrator was able to approve it and that project could move forward. And so this reduced the case load for our board of adjustment significantly and allowed people to move their projects through in a much shorter time frame. Just like in Deuke, we had a set of criteria that had to be met. What we're proposing here is the criteria that you that's currently in the ordinance that the board of adjustment could grant by special exception up to 50% for quantitative requirements. Um, and our our recommendation is we stick with that current 50% but we have the opportunity for someone to work with the adjoining property owners and get their project approved at the administrator level. So there are certain things it has to meet in addition to that. basically things that require it to comply with the ordinance and and other all other fashion and those are listed out here. Not real sure I like the waiver. You know, he was laughing.

Yeah, to the Let's go to the next section because I want to show you. Can we go to the next page? Lori, you heard Monica, right? Yep, I did. But I also not I'm not all the way through the process, so I'd like to let her have In all fairness, Monica, I have questions about it, too. Okay. So then on the next page we have um talked about what happens if what are the conditions. Um all of the abuing property owners have to agree the contact with the abuing property owners is handled by the zoning administrator not the applicant. And it's something that we discussed with the staff that it it could be done in a fairly timely manner, 15 days to for the property owners to respond. If they don't respond, then the applicant still has a couple of options. One option is to build according to the current regulations. The other is to go to the board of adjustment for a special exception. So here's here's the rationale behind this. In an analysis done by the staff of the board of adjustment cases, a predominant number of the special exception requests were for setbacks within the 50% quantitative requirements. They were in almost every case approved by the board. Suggesting that given the number

of them, this is an area where you should adjust your ordinance to make it easier for people to get that approval without having to go through a public hearing. There would be the time saved in terms of preparing cases for the board of adjustment versus sending out contacts to a budding owners. We did not do a time study, but I can tell you that it's a lot more work to do a board of adjustment staff report and all the necessary notices and work that goes with it than it is to mail out to four, five, six surrounding property owners, see if they'll sign off on a form and send somebody on their way with a zoning permit. And if they can't get the neighbors to sign, they still have a way to go forward. He just answered my questions. Does that satisfy you want to come? Yeah, that does. I'm just thinking of one of my neighbors that could create issues. So, well, if the neighbor's going to create issues and it reverts right back to the board of adjustment anyway. And that my my main question was 50% seems like a lot, but she answered the question that normally it's less than 50% anyway. And yeah, well within the parameters. Um, so here's my question because this obviously staff put this together, right? And you said most of the time or the majority of the time the board of adjustment approved these. What percent did the board of adjustment not approve? Not many. I'm not I'm not sure if there were any actually. Yeah, I'm trying to think of some scenarios

because the bulk of them have been the ones that weren't approved were ones that were more than 50%. Okay. What? Probably all of the ones that are less than 50% were approved then. I'm just I'm trying to think if there was any that weren't I'm gonna see if I can pull it up. Okay, that's that's the question is were any disapproved that were within these parameters that Yes. I not that I can think. And also, Laura, I'm trying to look up my old ordinance real quick because um I think we need to change the language on page um hang on here. Let me move some stuff around. Uh I I didn't catch it till now, but I think we need to change it to less than 50%. No, no, that I know that's how your ordinance reads now. Okay, you and here's why. Okay, there's already enough math going on here. True. People understand 50% and that's why there's an example there. If you move back one page, if you go to the pre prior page, I'm trying to look up two things at once. That doesn't work too good. Okay. So, under criteria B, number one, the request requirement is for no more than 50%. For example, if the required setback is 30 feet, administrative waiver cannot exceed 15 feet. If you want me to reward that back to less than 50%, the wording

sort of works and I can do that. I just did it because this is very this makes it simple. Yes. And we're talking an inch difference in some cases, you know, instead of, you know, 15 feet 9 in or 15.9, you know. Yes. So, we are not talking with engineers, right? Or surveyors. We're talking with everyday folks, right? You know, 15 feet makes that's an easy number to understand. This is a lot easier to explain. And yeah, okay, now that you Yeah, we're good. So, remember that we had that. Remember that discussion? Easy math. We got Well, that's okay. We've had a lot of discussions lately. Yes, we have. Yes, we have. I'm trying to remember where we had that research Becca did. Um, but I know we presented it to you, but and truthfully, I'm trying to think of any that were not granted on the quantitative. Uh, oh, you know what? I think we've we presented it to the board of adjustment. Maybe we haven't we didn't show it to this group. That might have been that might have been the case. Okay. I'm looking I'm looking there. Um, let's see. Well, I'm I'm I'm not I'm not able to pull up quick. Okay. I know we have it because Becca pulled it together from our cases, but the bulk of the board of adjustment cases are on quantitative setbacks. I

think we're okay. Yeah, I mean we're not even I mean we haven't seriously 100% that they you know they've approved 100%. It's been it's it's in it's a high number the percentage but it's if it's not 100 it's 90 some percent of them you know I would prefer to see 100%. is just what I'm saying. It's also this is part of the board of adjustment too, right? And here's part of it. So, and typically if something's not going to happen, there's a good argument for it and that would be the neighbor that's not signing the letter and then it goes to the board and then it goes to the board of adjustment. Yes. This is a situation where everybody's agreeing anyway. Yeah. Have 100% agreement. You would have to have 100% agreement of and not within 500 feet. It'd be within well excuse me it'd be the adjoining just the adjoining neighbors that would have to decide. Right. Right. So the idea is that you can you've got the people who are most impacted by a setback. The people who own the property on any of the sides of the property saying they're okay with it. It's no more than 50%. And so we don't need to have a public hearing to confirm that everybody's okay with it. That's what we're trying to do here. Um we're trying to seriously look at what is the board of adjustments workload and where can we move things to the staff level. uh because we have a lot of things that they are looking at and now with the wind energy could be looking at. So this

is also part of the process of your ordinance may not be broken but it could maybe use a tweak. And so this is this is one of those tweaks to ensure we're still following the regulations, but we're doing it in a way that is hopefully more efficient, but but still is um and also we want to encourage people to improve uh their properties. Now, I think one thing Lori and I discussed and I'm not sure if we we put it in here. Let me let me share this with the commission. In Deuke, we only did this for residential properties. We didn't do it for commercial or industrial. We could restrict it to that here. If that was uh the case almost every in fact, Lori, didn't you tell me all the cases were residential? They were. Yeah. So and our our thinking was you know this this is someone's mo this may be their only um asset their it's their make be their major investment. Let's let them make improvements but not with not without some knowledge and input from their neighbors and and if everyone is okay with it let's move forward. If not we have other options. Actually, I'm thinking this. No, they haven't all been um R1. Yeah, because I'm thinking of a world property uh um down by miles. There was setbacks and you know, it was a real property, an old house. They were building onto it. They had to get creative to get around the septic and the well and other things,

but it was a residential use. It was residential use, but eggs. Oh, well, I don't mean I meant in terms of the use, Laura. I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. Oh, excuse me. Okay. It looked like all your cases were for residential uses. Res use. And the one last month was um it was A1 zoning but for res use. Yeah, that's that's it. We're we focused on residential. So, commissioners, if that makes it uh more palatable, that certainly won't be a problem because that's probably where the cases are coming from anyway. It appears at least in terms of the records that we've as far back as we've researched to date. We leave it as it is. You know, we're good with I think for everybody. Okay. Great. We are we are going to run this by the board of adjustment but um just timing wise your meeting proceeds there. So and then then if we want to go back to the next page Lori. Thank you. Then we have the temporary use permits. Hold on one minute Laura. Yep. I think one thing that we ought to add in here. Um it talks about the cont contract contact with adjoining property abuing property owners. If we can get an electronically signed form, I think that should also be in there rather than mail because I mean I think that should also be an option in this for the contact as well. So both so both mail and electronic. We can do that either or they can return either or but they have the option to

and Becca's agreeing to that comment um with the geo permitting and I know she's even thought a little bit about um what that might look like. Okay. And so we can add that and it also sounds like we can also find a way to make it happen which is even better. Becca putting thought in Do you really want more paper when you can have electronically signed copies that No. No we don't. I'll speak for Becca. No we don't. No. Great idea. Okay. Okay. And I think I think um the that's an easy that's an easy amendment. We can do that by consensus as if you'd like. Do you guys want to do that by consensus? Yes. Okay. Consensus is yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. So then um we also put in that um I know we have the next section is for temporary use permits. I can me we mentioned that we've looked at that as part of the district's then um I trying to see if there's anything and that's pretty much the end of the amendment for this section. The next page is just really just one or two words. So, um, sorry, I was doing some other writing and I put on the wrong page. All right, that's okay. So I think you know that if you want to bring up the clean version then it's that

we can skip right through the green version. So we can just go through that. That is a little easier to read. We can skip that. Laura we Okay. Wonderful. We'll just move on to the next one. We're not done yet honey. Okay. So, the next chapter is for the board of adjustment. Uh there they have um a couple of updates that happened because of um action just last month. They have been given a new power for dimensional variances under Iowa code. Just I need Monica's question if they need to go through this. asking to go through the board of adjustment. Can we just accept there if they want to make any changes to this chapter that we accept it because do we really want to get involved and do we really need do we really need it's entirely up entirely up to you. I did not want to short change you. This is part of the ordinance but if you like to do that that's fine. Yeah, I think that that's up to you. Is that a general consensus? got some thumbs up, some good nods. I want to tell them how to do what Okay. Their their consensus is that they will accept what the board of adjustment finds. Yeah. Works for them. It's acceptable. Great. Is acceptable to them. So, wonderful. Go ahead. And let's see what's next is I think the zoning commission's chapter. Remember, right? You guys finally have a chapter. You know that good you guys didn't have a chapter before. Paragraph would be I don't even know if you guys have a paragraph hardly. Actually, actually the

board of adjustment didn't really have one either. Okay. Yeah, it was. Yeah. All kind of smooshed together. So, what we when we get through the board of adjustments chapter and I think our next item Oh, you're already there and I'm still trying to catch up. Thank you. Okay. So, you have we have a new chapter for the commission. you did see this um but we have done some just some revisions and updates just by working out things for the board of adjustment and some other chapters. So overall you there are new chapters that talk about the creation of the commission its proceedings its powers and duties under Iowa code. We updated the existing information about text amendments and resonings and we added a section on the comprehensive plan. And so you have when you get into the red light, there's a lot because it's a new chapter, but the information on the proceedings is taken from um from Iowa code and from standard ordinance language for boards and commissions and other zoning ordinances. And that's what we're seeing on page one. Page two is similar amendment giving you a set of written procedures, standards for review for each of your review areas um that are standardized. They're the standards for review. Let's see. We're on right now. The section that we're looking at on

page two is for your ordinance amendments amending the text as opposed to amending the map. So, this might be something you want to take take a look at. Again, the standards for review that we had shared with you were whether or not the zoning reg the current regulations are valid, if there's a need to modify, and whether the proposed I guess it probably should say text amendment is consistent. So, an example of this would be I think the data mining would be a text amendment. So, those would be the a standards and I'd make that change there. So we need to text amendment. The commission unlike the board of of adjustment sends its recommendations to the supervisors. And so um we we have a recommendation there. We we do have a 45day um time limit in there. We could um we can leave that or we could take it out. Um Lori Lori, I think we I was thinking we were okay with this one, but I want to just pause here for the commission to think about it and you to think about it. And that's on the text amendment or on the resoning itself? Page three. Oh, top of page three. I'm not even on the right page. Yeah, I think that's I'm looking through the clean. I find it easier. It says reszoning, but it should say text amendment. For some reason, I got it mixed up. I imagine that it all starts to look the same, I guess. Um, so this would be for the text amendment, but

quite frankly, they can take as long as a resoning as the data mining has shown. So, one of the reasons we have time frames in there is to have things move along. One of the things Lori and I have talked about with timelines and we've moved most of we've suggested removing most of them is all you need is um a contentious project that needs some time for people to understand it, the applicant to gather more information and then a winter storm and then pretty soon your 45 days is gone but everybody's still willing to talk. So, my gut reaction is maybe we should pull that out. The the tendency for commissions to drag things out, I think, is was the concern, but that typically doesn't happen. You may take a long time to do something, but it's because you're being thorough. It's not the commission that's dragging it out, though. I think I would Yeah, because Oh, go ahead. I think I would pull it out. I just keep thinking of the what how many months did we spend on when? Um 18. Yeah. But but it says the commission's final report. If we if we've already if it's our final report then all the hashing is already done and the 45 minute is irrelevant to us. No that's the only thing is the 45 date is is is about if for some reason the supervisors don't meet like she said a storm or something but they but they do they meet every two weeks. No, there every Tuesday. Every Tuesday be able to deal within 45. Oh, absolutely. We can make it shorter. That's what I was trying to make. So, I think I think is our consensus then you're okay with this because it's your final report. It's a final review. It's

not working on the ordinance because that's the final report. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, that's good. That's good. We want to check on that. So, we'll leave that in. Um, then I think probably let's see that if we go on the next is the is the map change which is is your reszoning process. Um, this will already existed. So, you're going to see a mix here of red and black font. So we used what we used some of your existing language and then um we we put in the the information here about fee mailing the notices the what the public hearing um process the just general outline is and then we added standards for review and then those are shown on those are shown on page five. If you want to move to page four, Lori, I'm sorry I got ahead of you there. That's okay. Page four shows the fee, the not the notice, the hearing, and then really page five is the standard. So, if you want to go to that page, these are the the current standards, which I think are still valid. and would recommend you keep them. So, we really didn't make any changes to those, just added some procedural backing for you. And then, um, here's that same language then that you're comfortable with. Again, it's the final report, uh, 45 days. um language on conditional

resoning that would be similar to what you were discussing as resoning with restrictions. Um this is allowed under Iowa code. Um and the text in green is your current language which also mirrors Iowa code. Basically, the property owner has to agree to it in writing before the public hearing um before the the usually it would be before the board of supervisors, but it can also be before the zoning commission. Um and I understand you you trying to avoid these and that's a good practice, but it's in here because it's part of Iowa code. So people do have an option to ask for it. Whether you it's granted or not is up to the commission and the board. Um question or can we go back on something? Yeah. Okay. Can we go back to page four and where it talks notice shall be given at least 10 uh no more than 20 days um Iowa code section. So the 10 and 20 public notice, public notice of public hearing is that section and then it also flows into uh general circulation by contact by it talks about notifying the neighbors within 100 feet. Does that also are we mirroring that 10 to 20 or does that not have a timeline? So, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to find my Iowa code section real quick. And the reason it's just at the top of my mind right now because um 10 minutes before the meeting, I'm

talking to somebody that's upset because, well, we just got it. Well, they were sent out Friday. They didn't get them till Wednesday or Thursday of last week. And I'm like, so The notice was in the newspaper. Yes. And that's what I reminded them. And and yeah, they were we we followed Iowa code in that section, but I was just making sure that this there's no requirement. I mean, we know it's a courtesy and if it's a courtesy and not a requirement, do we have to we try to mail them out, you know, a solid 10 11 12 days in advance. There's in the court of appeals of Iowa October 12th, 2007 that deals with this on a cell phone tower in Boone County and the resident said he didn't receive his notice and the board of appeals told him tough it was in the newspaper when they were sent out. And so if it is in the newspaper, which is required by Iowa law, yes, you have to mail them a copy, but [Music] um because it was in the newspaper timely file even though he didn't get the newspaper. um the the original that it the original court hearing was affirmed that yes, I can send you this. Okay. But as long as we're not whoops stuck to a time limit where we have

to prove that we've mailed them out 10 day more than 10 or less than 20 days before the hearing. So we're still good that by then, right, Laura? And you guys feel the same thing. Yeah. I think I don't think the mailing's required at all. That's courtesy. Um, which always makes people upset when they don't get it or when Tell me about it. Out of the notification. Our favorite is the person waving the uh notice in their hand at the hearing. That's our That's our all-time favorite up in Debuke. I just got this notice. Well, you got it. Okay, then. Did you read it? Actually, our commission never asked that question that way. They were much more polite just like you are. So, um anyway, I will double I will double check on all that because I want to make sure something didn't come through in this last session that I somehow missed about public notices. But I don't I think the long-standing practice is you need to put it in the newspaper or general circulation whether a person subscribes to a newspaper or not. I think the thinking is typically those are available at public libraries which are open to the public and require no cost except getting to the library or something like that. there. The mailing out of notices is generally done by cities and counties, but is not a requirement. But I'm going to double check. I think we're okay there, but I'll double check for you. Okay. And I know the one thing too that I'm I'm figuring now, the mail's not as reliable as it was. No. Um the time the the timing it's because you retired, right? It is. It's it's just it seems like the timelines that that two to three days is

now that 3 to five which is Yeah. Well, we had that issue with Debuke. We used to get we could pretty much two to three day one day. Sometimes people get it the very next day, but when things were rerouted to Cedar Rapids to come back to Deuke, yeah, we had the same thing happen. notices took a lot longer to get to people because they were going to Cedar Rapids and coming back. But, um, right now I think we'll just I'll just check on the code of Iowa and see where we stand. I feel like we're in good shape and that you're doing you're doing above and beyond what the code requires which maybe not is and you're also doing something that posting it on a website I know somebody may not have access to that technology but it is also another way plus it's posted in the building so I feel like you're making an effort to comply exceed the require requirements. Um, I'll just double check and make sure what those are. Um, after uh we get through the re that resoning section, we provide you with a section on the comprehensive plan. And um after the fact, but nonetheless, you know, this is based on using some of the same procedures that we have in the other powers and duties for you. Um the standards of review are pretty simple. We've got three of them. They're on page seven. Um are you Oh, are you still on changes? Lori, do you want to go to I'm sorry. I'm moving faster.

So really it was just for moving faster. Yeah. And so then just that you know the whole process you live through you made a recommendation and it was uh voted on by the board of supervisors. Now this one has a file report filing the final report within 30 days. We could move it to 40 days for consistency. The other one was 45 I think. Yeah. The other two were okay. So, I think we're at we're at the end of the comprehensive plan. Yeah, that's the end of the chapter. Dude, does the commission didn't want to go through the clean version? The clean version or not? Yeah, that's what I was going Well, that's what I was going through. I was going to say that's what I've been going through is clean. They've been following on the clean versions, some of them. Oh, okay. I know it's I know it's I I know it's hard to read those red lines. Um we're just really trying to be as transparent as possible, although we're transparent in a confusing way. So, okay. When you're all are you all at the end of your review of that clean version then? I am. So, ready to go to the revised matrix? Yes. Yeah. Well, before we got off of chapter five though, I just want to make sure by consensus, we're going to I've got some just some uh typos to correct. Um we're going to uh check on the public notices under Iowa code and then we're going to change make the change on page

seven to 30 from 30 to 45 days. And do we have a consensus on those changes for chapter 5? Yes. Great. Okay. Wonderful. Okay. So, the next item is um revised matrix of allowed uses. So, yeah, Lori, we can move to that one now. You want to zip through the clean version there? There we go. So, we've been using this to kind of keep track of which uses are um are in which kind of category. So, one of the things that we didn't cover with you as part of the board of adjustment is um we're recommending that special exceptions be uh a special exception and uses that the board of adjustment votes on be be considered as something that requires a conditional use permit. We talked to the board of adjustment about this last month. We'll talk to them about it on Monday. The idea is that these uses and exceptions, if you recall, there are a list of uses or structures or uses and structures in concert that have a set of conditions placed on them. You can do a readymix concrete plant under the following conditions, ABC. So most cities and many counties are now using that term conditional use permit. It really doesn't change anything other than it's called something different. So now the matrix is identifying with the letter C

conditional use permit that was that is um the new name or the recommended new name for special exceptions. And so that's really a a change there. What I what I then do, Lori, if we can walk through that um we can go through that first matrix. Our intention is to get this matrix into one, but we we're still trying we're still working through it. So eventually it'll be something that's uh in the in the document as part of the ordinance. This is our fifth draft. Everything that's highlighted in yellow is somewhere where we've made some changes. Most of that is um ch changing things from special exception to conditional. Um really not anything major at this point. We could go to the next page, Lori. Yeah, this this page only has one, for example. Um, nonetheless, I want to make sure that you're aware of these changes as we make them. Oh, we can go to the next page, Lori. Yeah, I think that Yep. Okay. So, that one's just the conditional uses. Um then if we want to go to the next okay this one has a little bit more to it. Um we are and some of that and you can see a lot of it's related to conditional use. Um uh we also um will we're working on

uh cell tower regulations for new and existing. So that pops up there on that page. And then you go to the next page, Lori. Um at our previous meeting we determined we were going to take delete the use called intermittent or temporary commercial activity. You see that um pulled out. And then we did talk about having logging added. Um, and as we just keep going down through these through the next page, um, yep, they're all pretty much just that change for the conditional use label. Um, same on the next page. And I think that's the end. So, no need for you to take a vote on that. This is still a work in progress. But I, like I said, I'm trying to keep it as transparent as possible as we work through the drafts. Um, the next section is um a review here, a review of the revised uh A1 agricultural district. So what we did is hopefully we made the changes that you requested at the prior meeting. Some things are still under review. It's because we're prioritizing what we're looking at. So um in this case we do have a red line, but if you all are looking at the clean version, maybe we should jump to that. What would the commission prefer that? I think they're in agreeance with the

other here. Okay, seen enough red. Let's move on to the clean version then. Okay. Um, so when we look at this new ordinance or this new district, um, let's see, man, it is it is a long version in red. Okay. So, we have created tables for our principal uses that are allowed. Um, we and I'll let you move it the whatever pace the commission wants here. There really is I'm trying to Well, see, I don't have my red line to tell you what changed. I might have to pull out. Um, but this is what it would what it would look like. Um, we could we we may what I've started to do is also use yellow like that little 2.9. That's for me to make sure I go back and make sure these uh are the correct uh sections elsewhere where we talked about having a way to link link the two. So that's why those are in yellow. Those are just a reminder for me to make sure I check on those. So I'm not sure we put anything I don't think we put anything new. Um there one one one thing on this first page of A1. There was some question about the parking requirements for elementary, post, high school, secondary and so forth. Um the the Institute of Transportation Engineers does studies across the country. They look at

parking generation for case studies. You asked me to check on whether these were suburban, rural, urban and the document does not indicate that. It only indicates it's an elementary school, it's a secondary school, it's a preschool. So I I I'd have no idea in terms of where the schools what kind of environment the schools are in. Um it is they do this is a um wellrespected um document in terms of something planners and engineers will use to look at parking requirements and um how to deal with parking generation. But I can't give you any specifics on the type of schools that were looked at. Okay. So then um if we want to move on to page two, we wrap up our principal uses and then we have a chart for our accessory uses. Um stay tuned for more information on the accessory dwelling units. That's a new Iowa code adoption this year as well. Um, if we go to the next page, before that, Laura, can I go on to something? You know, it's like every day is a new day and we get all kinds of questions and people want to do different things. Well, let's look at cemetery here and I can do a real life scenario here. Um, farm family owns several hundred acres. They're wanting

to uh set up their own cemetery, their family cemetery. They have I mean this is gonna be on a 40acre parcel. Um so when we're looking at parking spaces, we're there's ample parking. We don't have to mark it doesn't have to be marked, right? I mean it's a No. You see how it says it's on the drives or parking areas? So, you have the option to use one or both. You could have designated parking areas, spaces that are striped and clearly labeled for parking and no parking. Maybe they don't want anybody to park on the drives because then people can't get through. Won't be any or you could park on the drives. That's an option that if they have drives that's that's an option here. So Monica has So I'm going to play devil's advocate. Oh god. This is your and I think this might be your seriously if Jamie and I want to be buried on our on our property. We could call it a cemetery right and in the middle and we'd need 20 spaces of parking on my farm to visit my grave. I'm sorry. Well, hold on. Hold on. You're you're looking at things out of context. Are hold on, please. Hold on. The cemetery that this ordinance is anticipating is not the one Lori described. So, first I was answering your question about cemeteries. Where where do you park? This is these are your current regulations for cemeteries.

So, what I would say, Lori, is you find a different name or designation for what they want to do because it's not a cemetery for the public. You Is that what I heard you say? Yeah, correct. I mean, I think you don't need to have parking for the public. They should put in whatever they think they need for a private cemetery open only to the family because Monica's point is well taken. For a private cemetery, you won't need that. However, for a public cemetery, you will. So, I don't want to throw that throw that out. But I think this is a good example of if you have something like that, we need to figure out a way to address it hopefully without sending it to the board of adjustment. But that's what we because that seems like a lot for for that type of use. It's a pretty non-impact use in terms of traffic generation. Cemetery. Could we go public and then have them private? I don't think we should do any regulation private, right? And that's why private and then leave out the parking the parking and um I I don't think we should have anything on private because what is it in Iowa law? You can be buried on your own property when you you just have to disclose it. But you have to go before the zoning commission. No, you don't. This is this is per uh per permitted excuse me principal use and structures. This is permitted. This means that No, I'm saying you've got somebody who wants to put a private cemetery on their land. Permission. No, it's use. So So let's Hold on. Let me May I jump in here,

please? Okay. We're g my my note is we're going to make this say public cemeteries. Yes. I would I would suggest that we look under Let's just go back up to page two, accessory. Oh, you're already there. Page two, accessory uses. Look at the first one that's listed there. Uses and structures clearly incidental to the allowed principal uses and structures of this district. One of the other phrases that we often use is um customary as well as incidental. It is customary for as far as I can tell in Jackson County and probably in many counties in Iowa for farms to have private cemeteries of family members or pant previous owners. I would suggest this is an accessory use that this particular applicant is requesting and you can approve it as such and you don't have any parking requirements. Does that sound like a reasonable way to handle these type of things? Yeah. I've got a question. The cemetery at Cottonville has been there forever. Is that a public cemetery? I would assume it is because wasn't it a church cemetery? I think I don't know if it was or not. Church there. It could be uh what's called a pioneer cemetery. Is that a public cemetery? It does not have 20 parking spaces, but at the same time it was there's been people buried there since I mean prior to May of 1976. And I think what we could do is we could

add a allowed use of pioneer cemeteries that would not require parking. There's no parking space. What's the definition of a c a pioneer cemetery? If I mean it's being developed now that Well, we'll have to look at what Iowa code says. I don't have that definition memorized. Okay. Because I would the the pioneer cemeteries, they are what they are. Exactly. And why would we want to make them go back and add? I don't think we should. Okay. We'll be talking more than about where we're going to move that private cemetery. Um Laura, well, I know where I put it. Accessory is in structures. Okay. Yep. and in and private. Let's do private slashfamily or private. We'll figure out something. Yeah. Yeah. Family or owner. Yeah. We do not want to be overregulating something that is it's too it's too simple and basic. It's an accessory use. Let's just do that. Okay. Got it. Example though, something that pops up. Okay. Are we on the conditional uses page? Um, accessory conditionals. Okay. And so this one, this section, the regulations are probably all right now for right now, they're going to be under additional regulations. They'll be in chapter 6, this chapter 2.9 that we'll be creating. And then section 4.5 goes back to that chapter of the board of adjustment where it talks about how they handle them, how they process

them, how they review them, how they the approval process and so forth. So for sure those are going to all show up there. Um the other thing that we did here is you'll notice they're in they're in this another of these nice tables. Well, where are all the conditions? All the conditions are going to be in that chapter 2.9 that this this is this is organized to give you the the name of that use, what its parking requirements are, and where to go to find out more. And so that's where that all that uh the conditions will be. You will get to see them just not right. just not right now. Not tonight. Then we get to temporary uses and we're at the end of the chapter. No, we're not. We're keeping Here we go. I forgot about the I forgot about the development regulations. Lori, so on are you what page are you on there? Okay. So if you go to five, that's your temporary uses. Okay? And then you go to six and then that's the chart of the development regulations. And then signs are under review. Not quite working on some ways to deal with them. So those will you'll see those as well when we get them finished is um set up for things to be in charts and

tables where possible and the the conditions will be found in another chapter. Okay. uh homebased businesses and related uses. We looked at this um and now this is being this has been revised. Lori and Becca and I have worked on um different examples that have come forward and trying to kind of test out how things might work. And so here's where we're where we're landing at this point. Um, home occupation is currently allowed as an accessory use. Um, we're proposing it be replaced by the Iowa code language that now calls these types of home occupations a homebased business uh with a characteristics of no impact homebased business. uh farm occupation currently is an accessory use just in the A1 district where farms are predominant and it's proposed to be replaced with a similar name and similar characteristics. And then the home industry right now is a special exception and it would stay a conditional use in the A1 district. And so, um, it might be easier, Lori, to go to the clean clean version on this for the definitions. So, the red line version is the definitions, but it's much easier to read them in on the

clean version. So, these are B. This is what would be in chapter six. And so what we've done is kind of relate them back to that homebased business definition which is taken from the Iowa code. And then this is just their definitions. And so we're going to in the next section in the clean version that Lor's brought us to I think you are. So, for just for because I'm not quite sure where this is going to end up, we'll let's start with the page where it says aa homebased business at the top. I think it's there you go. So, what we decided to do since we couldn't remember the Iowa code, every time we talked about homebased business, we had to go look it up. We said, you know what? We're just going to put the code in the ordinance because it's all important. So the first part of number one is the definitions that are in the Iowa code that talk about a no no impact homebased business. The second one is in the Iowa code. The third one is from the Iowa code. This is the one we always said. Lori said, "Do I I get the charge from the need to get have them get a permit?" And the answer is no. If there are no impact homebased business meet all these qualifications, they're fine. That's what Iowa code says. However, Iowa code says you can also as a county under number four, you can have some reasonable rec regulations and they need

to be for these purposes A, B, C. Okay. Then we can go to let's see we can go to number five. Number five is a is a from the code and so is number six. So now when we get to number seven, here's where we pulled in what you currently have for Jackson County. And so these are your regulations. We're trying to make it and actually this is this Lori. This is the status quo. This is what you have to do now. It has to be members of the family. No more than one person outside the family. You can't have any of the ex any exterior display or storage. Um 30% of the floor area maximum. And then the last one, no offensive noises and so forth. So I think that's almost it's pretty close to what you have. Um now I think we may have tried to clarify some of the wording. Is that right, Lori? Yeah. Monica has a question. I do have a question because I I I know what we have right now for the homebased business but on 7D um for the residential property for employees should be members of the family residing on the present pre premises and no more than one person outside the immediate family on the present on the premises. However, if you've got a daycare center and which is which can be considered a homebased business that depending on how many

children you have in their ages that is dictated by DHS on how many workers you have. Exactly. And that one Lori and I identified we will deal with that separately not as a homebased business but as a daycare and that's what we did in Debuke as well because it's for the for the very reason for the very reason you gave. So we would what we'll do is we'll have regulations that will facilitate daycare in homes that will more closely relate back to the DHS regulations than this homebased business because this does this does present problems for trying to facilitate daycare. So that's our that's a great question. We also uh came up with that point. So, we're going to try to deal with that separately and bring that forward to you. Can I ask a question? So, if if the Iowa code is in this ordinance and if that is, how does that get updated? I was wondering that too. Well, this is this is exactly what's happening here. Um, your homebased business used your currently it's a home occupation in your ordinance. The Iowa legislature passed a law for homebased business and now it's up to cities and counties to amend their ordinances to reflect the homebased business of changes of Iowa code. Uh we have a couple other things that we're doing just happened to be passed in April by the legislature signed by the governor that we now have to put into

your ordinance. Kind of handy because we're right we're we're updating it anyway. But this is one of the things that happens. And so a few years ago, we had legislation for short-term rentals and cities and counties were directed to update their ordinances to include the state code language for short-term rentals. So, so basically just to answer the question though is if the state code changes then we've got to change what's in here. Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I thought it was a process. Yes, that's Yes. If the state code changes Yes. And the and this these particular um recent changes have been that you know counties and cities shall do these things. Not may. Some of it is shall you shall do this and then there's you may do this as well. So yeah, that's yes, if the code of Iowa is amended and it impacts a county or a city zoning ordinance, then where it's uncincumbent on us to get it changed and match that code. Okay. So Iowa code changes. We're bringing this back to our zoning commission. We're going through the public hearings. We're recommending to the board of supervisors the amended language and so we're presenting the whole ordinance again to be republished. No, just the section. Section. Okay. Okay. And is there any way to instead of making that change and having to take it back to the board of supervisors and the

zoning commission to add additional language to our ordinance stating uh we will comply with should this code change um 335.15 that we that the zoning zoning will uh will change to reflect that. Um, that's a question for your attorney. When the Iowa code says cities and counties shall adopt an order, we lost you there. The Iowa code says cities and counties shall adopt an ordinance that says such and such. I think the easiest thing to do is just to amend that section of your ordinance to comply with the new Iowa code. Right. What she's asking is, do we add a sentence that will automatically update that so we don't have to go through the process of taking it to the board of supervisors and such? I I don't know how you can automatically update it because your code won't state it. Okay, then that answers the question. it and it could be contradictory language then. I mean, I I it's a nice idea, but I I think it could backfire. No. Okay. Sandra has a follow-up question. So, how does work if we've handed this out to somebody um and then the code changes before they get done what they're supposed or what they had requested? Do they just have to follow what we give them? No, they got Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. Like today to get that done. Yes. And we'll have we have a whole a whole section coming on that. It's

called nonconformities. So, basically, if someone in good faith, the zoning administrator and the applicant say, "Okay, I want to build this. I'm going to do this. whatever it is and this is the ordinance and I do everything it says and then state code says now you need to change the ordinance and oh darn it's not what that person did. Well, it's okay. They have done everything that they were supposed to under the code that was in force and adopted at that time. And so our non-conforming section recognizes that and allows them to continue that use or that structure and even in some cases expand it perhaps. So we we don't make somebody in the middle of a project now meet some new code at least not through zoning. Zoning almost always grandfathers everything. If it's an illegal use, you don't get out of it. If it's a legal use, then you do. You're okay. You followed the law in a force at the time. So BD, farm homebased business. Yes. Second line on the right side, a farm phone set should be changed to home based business. I see it. Yep. So, but the other thing is it's kind of confusing and not consistent because we have a farm homebased business and then we have a farmbased business.

So it I'm not quite sure exactly what all this paragraph is trying to convey. It should all say farmos homebased business. So the third line on the right hand side a farm-based business. M we missed a word there. Home. Yeah, right there. Yep. Got it. Did you want me to send this to her? Oh, what I just emailed to you. No, because we're That's what I'm talking about. I said it just so that I wouldn't forget. Okay, got it. Oh, yeah. Good catch. This This one This one does trip me up, obviously. So, the intention here was to be consistent and not try to confuse you. Sorry about that. It is very confusing because I can think of numerous things. Um on on this one, so I this paragraph needs some work. Do you have any suggestions that you want to send us? Yeah, remove it. I mean, and start over. Some of it's actually falling out of Iowa code, though. I mean, the bulk of this is following Iowa code, but I would say we're using the current language. [Music] Other than the reference to the homebased business legislation, this is your current language. I I know it's our current language. What I'm saying is we need to fix it because it's confusing and

what what part of it is confusing because it's also the same language we're using for um homebased business. So we really would need to know what's not clear a farm-based business. I mean it it's agriculture. So, number one, didn't Sherry Stacy just left a word out there? Yeah. But what I'm saying is, I mean, a farm homebased business, I mean, there I'm not sure what this is trying to restrict to be perfectly honest. Um, well, if you don't think it's necessary, we can eliminate it if that's the consensus of the commission. That's fine, too. It's It's confusing to me, but it's in your ordinance, so I was trying to accommodate it. I Lori can help us out with any examples or have you done any of these? I just had one. So like be your family farms. So they raise they raise cattle. They package it themselves. It's a mail order business. They produce other things that you know jam, jelly, like other different things. They have a store on their farm site. So I would say that's a home farm business. And I don't know that they might have more than one or two employees that come from outside their family farm. So would that be restricted under this? It gets it gets really murky because a lot of things are agricultural farm related. I'm taking this as I'm sorry Laura. What I'm taking I'm taking this as is it's a business that's inside the home that's

on the farm. you know, it's in it's a farm home based business. That's the way I've been reading it all along. For example, Nancy Kirk on a farm, you know, on their acreage, she has a I forget what she calls it, but it's an embroidery service farm homebased business. That's the way I was reading it. Not an that doesn't fall because it's that is not incidental and secretary and and secondary to the operation of farm embroidery business has nothing to do with but that was just a bad example. What I'm saying is it's it's a it's it's a I guess my I would honestly I think you're spot on. This is you're talking about that one particular business that would would be a farm homebased business. It is not egg exempt because it's not part of the farming industry. Okay. But why do we care? Why would Hold on, Laura. It's not It's a homebased business, right? Doesn't matter a farm or not, right? Why have this? It would a homebased business. Monica, you know any farmers that think they're exempted from everything? Well, Lori, I think Monica's right. Just just a minute, Laura. What I'm saying is if you've got a homebased business, it does not matter whether you are on a farm or if you were on an acreage or if you were in a place in town or if you're at um Leisure Lake. It's a it's a homebased business. Yeah. To a farm. Yeah, I agree. I agree, Monica. Yep. We can Yeah. So, what do we have it? Okay. I think it just because it mentions that it's not

farm exempt. Well, I think it I think it was I don't I think it was something that was that it to me it looks like something that was trying to uh allow for homebased businesses on farms that are related to the farm which really doesn't need to be done because under uh that's what Iowa code definitions it those examples of the meat packing mailing order would likely be considered agricultural and therefore farm exemp But the person doing embroidery who happened to live on a farm, it's just a homebased business. I agree with Monica. I don't think it really does anything that we can't already do without this definition. I think she's right. I don't think you need it. [Laughter] Laura, I'm sorry. I'm tired and it's confusing to me and I'm trying to figure out what you were right. What were we trying to accomplish here? Okay. to Yeah, I agree. I don't know purpose. I I don't think it's necessary. I think it's confusing. I don't want to just get rid of it if there's a purpose that needs there. Part of it is always know the purpose until that real life scenario hits. That's what I'm saying is two years from now be like, damn. Well, but you know, we had that when you're going. Here's the thing. Sitting there thinking, why don't they have something that covers this? Well, and I think we do between what you can do in terms of being on a farm that things that are related to the farm under Iowa code for farm products and farm operations, I think you're covered there. And if you got something different, you've got a homebased business. And then if you're still not covered, you go to the next

item, which is a home industry. I agree with Monica that we could eliminate the farm homebased business. It is confusing. It seems to be to me with my understanding of Iowa code and farms and agriculture, it's really not needed. It's already there. And if it's something like embroidery, it's a homebased business under the previous category. I'm okay with I I don't I don't think you're going to lose any options for anyone, Tom, by eliminating it. I really don't. I'm sorry. You guys were talking over each other. What are you saying down there, Sandra? I said this is not the final ordinance yet that if we strike it now and come up with something between now and when we finish this. It's not like we can't bring it back. I mean we can leave it now and strike it. Well, that's what I was going to say is if we strike it, it's gone. I I mean I think we I think we need to think about it more because and it's I agree Monica. We're all tired. Yeah. I think we should leave it and then you know review it the next meeting and maybe with fresher eyes so we can understand it. All right. So the I think we're this is are we close to the end? Gosh, I hope so. Close. We have rules of procedure. So the the home industry was basically for a business that had more employees. And that's that one would be a conditional use permit. And so that was we were trying to keep the homebased business at the

status quo, which was no more than one employee outside the family. And then a home industry that's something the board of adjustment reviews and the number of employees is is whatever the board um approves. And so that's how we were going to handle that. So that will be bringing you back that whole will be bringing you back the revisions as you asked for it. Lori, do you want to do their rules of procedure tonight or do you want to push it to next meeting? How about guys? Next meeting. Okay. Next meeting, please. It's not times. This one is just it was just it seemed to fit with everything else we were working on, but uh it certainly doesn't have the same time frame as the ordinance. All right. So, I believe we are we're we're done with that item going on to the next meeting. That's the end of that packet. Great job. Good discussion. Thank you everyone. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay. Have a good evening everybody. Don't think about anything farm or homebased business. Just go home and relax. Put your feet up. Have a nice um I move that we table the data mining to next meeting. I I know we keep dragging that out, but we got Yeah, I know. I got this part wasn't so long. I I got to just say she does a wonderful job, but having her on Zoom is very confusing because we got people asking questions and she doesn't hear it. She keeps talking and we're talking over each other and I don't know if we're trying

to save money or what by not bringing her here in person, but it would it's helpful when she's here in person. I I agree. But one time when I was sick, I couldn't, you know, I was trying to get in and no one, you know, I couldn't hear other people. Um, yeah, I I admit it's a challenge. And for us, we've just had so much on our plate. It's kind of like she'd be sitting here for a long time and well, what last time, how many, you know, sometimes we have a lot more going on in Right. Right. So, I'm just saying it's it's difficult when we're trying to have the person running the meeting on Zoom. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We we can talk about bringing her in and we'll see what next meeting looks like. Um but I know you guys really don't want to talk data processing, but can I just share with you the definition? Sure. That I came up with. I know. Um and I stole it from um I didn't steal it. Okay. A truly plagiarized language out of uh Johnson County. It's It covers It covers it. So they do include the mining. Yep. Until they add something else that they're going to call a data center that's not cover. But at the same time it has computers or network equipment systems, servers, appliances and other associated components related to digital data storage and operations. So can we put data centers may include commercial cryptocurrency mining? [Music]

BS. [Music] I got I got to tell you though, just just in the industry and I talked to you about this. in the industry, data centers and crypto mining facilities are not considered the same thing. No, but they're they're talk about them like they are. So that's the problem. And and that's that you're you're absolutely right. That's the problem. And the industry is really trying to make a push to get away from that. Are they what the the industry or like the people that are zoning and being asked? We're trying to push it. So the people, our members understand the difference. Okay. But I mean, I don't know how far that I get what you're saying. Yeah. The industries are trying to confuse people to put them in Well, no. The industries are trying to make it clearer by separating the two because people think they're the same and they are not. They're totally different. But when they present this the proposals, they call themselves data centers, don't they? Um I mean that's what we got. I shouldn't I shouldn't say I when I say the industry I mean I mean the power supply. Exactly. No, I I know that that Yeah. No, I'm This is still draft language. We'll leave it and you know move on from you know move on next. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I did make a motion to move this to next meeting. But do we want to put it as go scroll back do we want to put it as data centers? Because it doesn't necessarily have to process data. You can have storage where all they do is have servers, a server farm and store data. It doesn't necessarily has to and that that is a data center. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily have to process anything. You put data center. You're talking

about the cloud. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean list all that under data centers and we list uh related to digital data storage and operations. I think you're just trying to tell people to try to pull by calling it or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. I got I am going to I'm going to stick to my guns on I think we ought to call a crypto mining facility a cryptomining facility or however you want to word it and data centers is something different. I agree. So do you want to call Yeah. So you want to call data centers everything up to and then have a sub with the with the uh I want to call crypto mining separate. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. What what you got up there or the data center is it basically correct other than the crypto? So I have that under a separate thing or a sub or what? Yeah. Separate is what? Separate. Okay. Then we can just add on as people add on things. Yeah. Okay. I mean I mean things are changing all the time. We weren't we weren't we weren't expecting crypto mining in in Makoka Valley Electric's footprint a year ago. You know I mean we knew it was out there but we weren't expecting it to come into our you know our area. So well the first I heard about it I think was July or June of last year. Yeah. I shouldn't say a year ago. Probably more for us it was probably more like a year and a half ago. But I didn't believe it was gonna come here. Yeah, I was aware of it, but I didn't believe it was going to come here. And turns out this is this, you know, Iowa. They really like the looks of Iowa. They like the cheap energy. Well, they like the capacity. They like the capacity. And so, all right. So, we'll I'll get some new language for that. Yeah. And delete this, guys.

Yeah. I don't think we should have any business in the demand load because that is purely that's the energy company and that's not does not fall under zoning. I agree. Yeah. Because like what part of land use is this? Right. It's not right. Okay. Okay. All right. So, I'm going to hit save and I will close this bad boy out if if you guys say go ahead. Okay. Now, treat your motion seriously. You made a motion. Anybody have a second? Second right now or somebody else second it. Okay. I just want to make sure we get all in favor. Motion passes. I worked up my phone here a little bit ago. It's quarter after 8. Now I look down as 9:30 almost. How did that happen? I don't know. Look at the storm outside. I know. That's what I was trying to Next meeting. We're not done yet. Next meeting um Monday, June 16th. Yeah, 16. That calendar behind your bike is a good tool for me. I thought you were looking at me. No. Well, above your head. So, I entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Anybody second? I'll second. All in favor? I opposed. We'll finish. Thank you.