Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Brian Venema, Christine Bob, Monica McHugh, Emerita Keyes, Sandra Gerlach,

Tom Stewart? Yes. Mike Burke?

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There you go, Monica. Now we can see everybody. Okay.

Okay, so we're to approval of the agenda. Is there a chance to see the agenda? No. They have a motion to approve the agenda. I'll second. All in favor say aye.

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I did realize after I printed it that I didn't change the header. So the header is now changed to correct date.

And I move that we approve with the correction to the date.

Did we? Okay, I see Vice Chair Tom Stewart, but really, That's not a concern. It's mine. Not a concern.

No, that's true. He would have been for the meeting.

Then we change after the meeting or before the meeting?

That's a good question then. How would I look into that and change it if necessary?

There you go. Oh, you mean up here?

Yeah. Because we did vote.

Yeah, because I would have been vice chair at the beginning of the meeting. The question is would I have been after the Would they have taken office immediately?

So a technical, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to go back to that. I don't know. You would have opened the meeting and then it says down there. The election was on there. Yeah. So that's what I didn't know either.

I would change it if necessary. It was 10. It was. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry.

You find out what an appropriate way is to do this. So we do have a motion to approve, right? Yes. Go for it. Is there a second? Yes. All in favor, aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Oh, excuse me. Mary there too. Did she say?

Yes, I said aye. Sorry. My computer is acting up.

Are you opposed? Okay. So we're up to new business. And we're to the work session for the preparation of Jackson County HBCF Ordinance Graph. Becca, where are we at here on this?

We can work off of that Staples document. I'm going to send it to Monica.

Oh, yeah. Is that the one you sent today?

I just sent one to Mary earlier, around 6. So Mary has it. I just sent it to you.

OK.

It's just kind of a discussion pamphlet. little handout as a summarizing. So we can kind of just go, I think, section by section, but the handout sort of summarizes everything and makes it a little bit easier.

I had a few things that I spotted today. Okay. Do you want to start there?

Yeah.

All right. Page eight. Section 5C. Well, yes. So down there at the bottom, under wells. If there's an existing well on the parcel, this makes it sound like you can't be within 500 feet of that.

Yes.

Good connection.

No.

Yes. Um, that kind of, I had caught that too, and I don't think I even triggered that for discussion. So good call. Um, so change the language to happen to be the public.

Well, they bring wells for not participating models. Yeah. As well, I was thinking. Page 13. Section C. Okay. It says NFPA standards. I don't believe the NFPA is going to be dealing with storage of chemicals. It seems more like an EPA thing.

Okay.

Probably, yeah. NFPA is more fire protection and electrical hazards.

Gotcha. This is pretty minor.

Page 21.

Okay. Section B1 right there towards the middle. So it's N-H-D-C-F.

I think it should be A. Yeah, sometimes H's get the rules are starting to change. A little gray, yeah. But I will pick one and keep it consistent.

OK, that just stuck out to me. Other than that, I didn't notice anything. Yeah, it sounds right.

I know it's not right. Well, you pick one and stay consistent. Yes, OK.

Yeah, what do Chris and Sandra say? Grammar gurus.

They are the grammar gurus. Maybe they'll do that for homework.

That's what I saw. I just thought I'd read it through this afternoon.

I would agree. I think it should be A, but You're right, sometimes H's do have an in front of them.

I have to look it up. I have to look it up.

Anything else anybody wants to address before we go through?

The only things that I noticed, and I'm only going to say it because I think we kind of did it in some of those others, when it said that things should be paid or fees paid, I'm not sure where, like I thought we spelled it out before who they should be paying you.

Yeah, the owner or operator.

Or like paying to the courthouse or where it was supposed to be in the court. Like to say pay to or shall pay, but it doesn't say to.

I have a clarification on the A.

Okay, for words where the H sound is pronounced, such as half or tell or hard, use A. Okay. And for words where the H is silent, such as honor, hour, or honor, just use an N. OK.

So change it to A. Yes. That's a word, not a thing.

Initials.

I mean, like you said, if the word .. It's the same.

The one thing that I came across was on page 15, letter C, hazard awareness and containment. We talked about discharge the soil, groundwater, surface water, etc. But we don't talk about to air. Should we list air? Or atmosphere.

That's a good point.

I don't think so because this isn't like the wind turbines.

If there's a hazardous lubricant that you got out in the open air, you're contaminating the air.

Your quality.

Air quality, yeah.

But I don't think that falls under the zoning for land. I think that would fall under DNR or EPA.

So that would be covered with what Diane was talking about earlier? No, that's more containment of this containment. Okay. I would add it.

Pretty much let me go over here.

I believe when Linn County had one of their readings, they had their air quality department chair at the meeting. Okay.

Well, we might as well cover the bases then.

we'll get some language for them.

Sticking out.

Like I'm just saying, you know, like on page seven, it says the county shall maintain records. The county name required. Do we have to specify who in the county is doing that? Or notice on the paper or notice the public hearing shall be prepared and published by Jackson County. Right. So we were so picky about that and some of those others. I'm just pointing it out that was something. Maybe put something under definitions where you just say Jackson County also known as the county and you don't have to say that.

Right. Right. Just to specify somebody or a specific thing just makes it harder because then it's there for three years until it gets redone.

But I mean, will you be the one in charge of all? Who is going to be in charge of the right? Who's going to do that? Maintaining? Is it at that point? Is it? It would be the zoning.

But then also putting out the notifications. Would that be? I don't.

I'm just asking. I don't know.

Right.

Well, if you just leave it as the county in the word. Then it's all encompassing.

Somebody from the county is going to be right.

Yeah.

It will get done. We're not posting jobs to specific people.

Mm-hmm.

We're letting the county.

So is that the supervisors then that would have to do that? Whoever's in charge of the county, yeah. Right, that's what I'm asking.

Yeah, they have this impression that Assign that job.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The supervisors can designate who they want. And I think that would be more beneficial to leave it as the county because ultimately the responsibility falls on the supervisors.

Yep.

Well, that's a good way to look at it.

Do you think we got anything else? I'm just going to echo what's left of her list. Yes. What do we have? Take it from here.

OK. So we can go section by section, because I think most of them have been going through and are pretty set. Section 1, that's an intent. is to explain that the ordinance addresses siting and land use impacts of the HDCS, including infrastructure, resource protection, compatibility, and decommissioning. Section two, I did add a few definitions for some key terms, just so that we have everything that we need in the definition section. Section three, the applicability and zoning districts. Confirmed that HDCFs are not permitted by right and may only be considered in M1, M2, and C1 with flow adjustment approval. The prohibited and restricted locations and general siting requirements are clarified. Section four. I did more work on section four of those. Let me dive into that. Section four of the handout has its own little area. So this day, The addition for to make the application packet more like a review packet that we would expect for any major high impact land use, such as a major subdivision or industrial development. When something has the potential to affect roads, drainage, utilities, emergency access, neighboring properties, and long-term site conditions, the county needs enough information upfront to evaluate whether that site is appropriate and what conditions may be needed. So the operations plan is now in that that will show how the facility will function day to day, hours, the staffing, the maintenance, the deliveries, security generators, and emergency contacts. Phasing and expansion plan. Um, identifies whether the proposal is one building or a long term build out and prevent small initial approvals from becoming much larger without review. The utility infrastructure plan that identifies transformer substations, utility yards, easements, service access and related infrastructure as land use impact. Sanitary water supply information identifies how the facility will be served while preserving agency review. by Environmental Health, IDNR, Iowa HHS, or others. The Stormwater Grading, Drainage, and Erosion Control Plan, like a major subdivision, it shows drainage, grading, runoff, impervious surface, erosion control, and impacts to neighbors or public infrastructure. And the traffic impact statement gives the county engineer a starting point for road access, haul route, permit, and financial assurance review. The backup power and fuel storage information identifies generators, tanks, batteries, fuel, coolant storage, noise containment, and emergency response considerations. Emergency access and safety coordination information provides basic responder awareness without making the county or response Responders responsible for fire code approval and the agency permit and approval list clarifies that zoning approval does not replace DNR, electrical, stormwater, driveway access, road use, air emissions, or other approvals. Any thoughts on those additions? Are we good with that? Okay. Moving on. Section five. The setbacks and separation, they align with the wind ordinance where concerns overlap, especially natural resource protection that is tailored to HDCF impacts. rather than copying win setbacks word for word. Six, this is the 50 DBA standard and adds three-year periodic testing, includes baseline, post-startup, complaint-based, and expansion modification testing plus vibration standards. Seven, the cooling systems and water use requires air-cooled or closed-loop cooling, limits alternatives to Board of Adjustment review and findings, and keeps the ID and our water permitting authority separate. Startup verification remains flagged for county-by-county review. Eight is the coordination section that the applicant will identify the sanitary and potable water service, but environmental health, IDNR, Iowa HHS, or other agencies to retain their review authority.

Just going back to I WAS READING WHAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED THERE. YES. IT SAYS IT'S UNDER REVIEW, SO WHAT, DO YOU HAVE IT INTO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR WHATEVER? YEAH. OKAY. SEEMS REASONABLE ENOUGH. ANYWAY, I WAS READING THERE, SO I GOT MY HAND A LITTLE BIT.

OKAY.

Utility coordination requires site-specific utility coordination so the county can evaluate whether the proposed parcel can reasonably be served and what infrastructure impacts may result. It does not regulate utility rates, service territory, capacity, or operations. I think this is the one where Monica wanted a why. Yes. Yes. Yes. The Jackson County land use policy says one of the fundamental goals of land use planning is to provide desirable level of facilities and services as economically and efficiently as possible. Because HDCF has unusually high electrical demand and may require major utility infrastructure, the utility service coordination letter helps the county determine whether the proposed site can be served in a practical, coordinated, and efficient way. County is not regulating the utility provider or deciding whether electrical service must be provided. We are asking for enough information to evaluate whether the site is appropriate from a land use, infrastructure, and service delivery standpoint.

Okay, got it. Thanks, Bill.

And I need to highlight Section 10. Emergency access and safety coordination requires basic site awareness information, access gates, emergency contacts, disconnects, backup power, fuel, coolant areas, and similar features. This is coordination, not fire code approval. With this, the county should know that emergency vehicles can access the site, that gates or access control points are addressed, that emergency contacts are available 24-7, and that hazard areas are identified for responder awareness. It may not generate many residents or employees, but it may create a unique site safety and access situation due to fencing, security gates, electrical infrastructure, generators, fuel storage, and remote operation. We are asking for enough information so emergency responders know how to access the site and what site features they may encounter. That is basic safety coordination for a major industrial-type utility.

So can I just ask, the facility owner, NB, shall maintain current 24-hour emergency contact with the zoning administrator? So you keep hearing it all the time.

They're just giving you the 24-hour emergency contact information.

Right.

Not an actual contact. They're giving you contact information. So they're going to give you who to call and how to get involved.

So I've got a question on a like, I'm trying to think of a facility outside. So like, I don't know, is Custom Plastic in Preston, are they within the city limits? They're outside the city limits. Did they provide emergency management their contact information so that our county EMS already has that? Is that something that is standard with any other business?

It's Plastics Unlimited is what's the name of it.

That's what, yes, that's it.

um i have been hoping to get a little time to do more research on m1 m2 and how they were permitted and what all was involved in their application process and i have not had that time yet really i can't understand why i know i just i i just question because if we're if we're doing this

I know we did it for the win. I know we're doing it for this.

I know that on the RAC for power, but I think that anyone wants anything else.

That's what it looks like.

What I'm getting at is if they give it to you and then somebody needs to get it and you don't have their, I mean, you have to give that information to someone else, obviously. Right.

Yeah. That's why I'm asking.

So should, should 24 hours a day.

I don't know if we can require it, but is this something that EMS can require for businesses to provide to them? Because they, they're the ones ultimately that's, that are going to need it. You know, the 911 center or EMS, um, I guess what's their protocols when they have an emergency like a fire or something like that? I would be interested to know that just to make sure that all these businesses that are within the county are consistent with the information that they're providing to everybody.

Yeah, most of them have something set up with the businesses. yeah if the business is in their area they've worked with them so they you know they've got contact information in a in a book or something that they keep with them anything that they can that they can contact they get called to right so they get called innovative ag and andrew worse yeah right they got they got they know who to contact They can help them when they get there.

Okay, that's kind of what I'm wondering because obviously the last fire that we had in Lamont, it's like, okay, you know, I know DNR was there and, you know, the fire departments, just to make sure that everything is covered so that our EMS people have that information and that they're not left, you know, not having

what they need to perform their duties yeah they can take it more like i don't think there's anything technically in writing that says that i'm aware of that you know joe bull has to make sure that this information is there most of those like the dnr like again like i know like like innovative ag kind of thing There's a sign right there that says, is an emergency phone number to contact. You know, you call 911, and then you call the manager or whoever's cell number is there to contact that person in case of an emergency.

Okay.

Now, I'm guessing it's similar to that with other businesses.

That, okay, that's just what I wonder, because I don't think we can kind of force this issue through the zoning, but as long as we have, as long as there's commonality with businesses in the county.

Brian just came up with an idea here.

So section A says the plan may be provided to the emergency response agency in jurisdiction. We could change that to shall. Okay.

But my comment is, yeah, I would love to throw it in there, but is this really something that the zoning should be pushing? I would prefer to make sure that our county EMS already kind of has a plan to work with new industries or things like that so that they have that information because we're not the experts in it. It should be something that, you know, our emergency management should have that control over.

Well, again, like in that same period you were in, Brian, the last paragraph says the plan shall be maintained and filed with the county. So it's with the county. So the supervisors have a jurisdiction as to where that information should go. Right?

Mm-hmm. So we could just change it. Yeah, we could change it. No, I don't think so.

And it may be provided to the emergency, but it shall be maintained on final.

But... Well, I agree with Brian that it should be changed from made to shell.

I think it's a unique... a unique hazard that it's worth writing an onion.

Yeah, I agree with that. You mean changing May to Shell? Yes.

But again, is this something that we want to start doing to every business that comes in to Jackson County?

Well, we're not dealing with every business in Jackson County here. We're dealing with a specific kind of... So I think we could do it in here without setting a precedent for other things.

That's my concern. Are we setting a precedent that we really shouldn't be setting?

My feeling is no. No, we're not. Because we're dealing specifically with this high-density... I forget the... Yeah, whatever.

And so...

And my feeling, no, Monica, because we're dealing with this specific thing in this specific document. That would be my take on it.

And other industrial facilities have that M1, M2. Right.

Yeah. I agree with Tom.

I just don't want to open us up to potential issues later on.

I respect that, Monica, but I think we're okay. But I agree with Brian and mine was putting shall rather than many.

But maybe we should change it to shall. provide that to emergency response and to the zoning?

We're saying it's going to the county and that makes, that puts the... I see. Okay. That information to where it's appropriate. Correct.

I got it. I get it.

okay moving on to 11. waste management e-waste and regulated materials

It prevents the site from becoming the dumping ground for obsolete equipment, e-waste, batteries, coolants, or regulated materials. It avoids duplicating DNR or EPA authority. Section 12, screening, fencing, and lighting. Addresses exterior impacts, including fencing, screening, lighting, visual resources, scenic fireways, and site maintenance.

It is kind of a role.

Well, it's just like, you know, what we have with the junkyards and, you know, it falls.

Basically.

Basically, it falls on zoning on that through the supervisors. So.

Yeah.

So it'd be the same kind of a thing. And we've dealt with that in the past.

Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. You have. We have here.

Don't worry. Yeah.

Yeah. Right, then kicks and then screaming.

Yeah, there is a finish line. Yeah. Structural standards requires actual computing equipment to be inside a fully enclosed permanent building while allowing exterior support equipment, if it is permanent, shown on the site plans and compliant with the ordinance. So this might actually help keep number 12

Sure, yeah.

By having everything in a influence location. Yeah.

Yeah. 2014.

Road use and infrastructure agreement. Connects the traffic impact statement, county engineer review, road condition surveys, access review, permits, road use agreements, financial insurance, and repairs when warranted. So this section was kind of excluded on. Not because there's traffic by the employees, but traffic through construction. Section 15, decommissioning private landowner and operator private landowner operator contract. does not protect the county, neighbors, future owners, or taxpayers if the operator leaves, dissolves, or fails to remove the facility. So the Jackson County land use policy says the fundamental goals of land use planning are to enhance quality of life, utilize and conserve land and natural resources, and provide facilities and services economically and efficiently. Decommissioning directly supports those goals because it prevents an abandoned industrial facility, possibly decommitment, unused impervious surface, deteriorating structures, hazardous or regulated materials, and site restoration costs from being left to future landowners, neighbors, or the accountant. As with subdivisions, the county often requires improvements, agreements, and agency responsibilities, and sometimes financial assurance. Because the accounting cannot rely only on private promises when roads, drainage infrastructure and long term land use impacts are involved. So therefore, the in this way, the HTCF can be kind of similar. The project may be private, but the impacts of abandonment would not necessarily stay private. So the purpose of the decommissioning section is to prevent the county from having to deal with an abandoned HDCF later as a nuisance, a zoning violation, or a public health and safety issue. Section 16 enforcement provides notice and clear procedures. Nobody is possibly every and all our operator responsibility. And we still have the 60. And There is an addition there, and I have that flag for pending attorney review also, where a high density computing facility is operating in a manner that poses an imminent and documented threat to public health or safety, neighboring property, public infrastructure, or natural resources, including but not limited to uncontrolled hazardous material release, fire or explosion risk, or repeated operation and violation of enforceable noise, or vibration limits after notice and opportunity to cure, the county may seek immediate temporary injunctive relief or other lawful relief in a court of competent jurisdiction or may pursue any temporary suspension mechanism otherwise authorized by Iowa law. This subsection shall be interpreted and applied only to the extent consistent with the Iowa Code Chapter 335 and other applicable law.

Did you pull that from some other county and then now we're getting it reviewed by Arden? Yeah. Where is that? What is that deal? Okay.

That somewhat ties into Mike's hazardous material and relief.

Yeah. Well, most of the counties anyway, I mean, you know, technically. Technically, everybody also.

Section 17 is the miscellaneous cleanup section. It clarifies how the ordinance should be applied. It covers things like non-advanced variability, conflicts with other regulations, variability, periodic review, referenced standards, and the responsibility of the owner and operator, the pay costs associated with compliance.

So that first one, in other words, what you're saying is they can sell the place, but they've got to have zoning approval first? Okay. Because that's pretty common.

Suggestions, comments?

are there any other places in the county where somebody has to review every like so many years like where would the calendar be that the county would know to review this in three years um that would be in the zoning office or we could leave that one up to the board of supervisors and they can have assign it to somebody awesome right so that's what i mean um but at this time there's no other

You got to get one before you need to worry about revealing it.

I just didn't know if there were other things.

No, I mean, you know, seriously, if one, you know, develops somewhere, then you get it on the calendar and, you know, make note of it then.

Well, and it's just like the moratoriums. I mean, that stuff, they end. So then you have to be right back on it and either extend it or...

I think what Sandra's asking is if anything... going on right now, but it's a renewal that has to be reviewed. Any other business in the county that has to be reviewed? Nothing. There is nothing that has to be reviewed in three years or five years.

And this one, just because everything's always changing with technology?

Yeah, I understand why. It just hasn't happened yet. So they have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Yeah.

And three years might be too long. Yeah.

But then maybe, yeah.

Right. Then we're gone.

Right. Yeah. We don't have to worry about it anymore. So has anybody got anything else on the HTC board?

Would we like to schedule a joint work session with the Board of Supervisors?

Probably depending on when we get the information from the county attorney, right? That's what I think we really got cleared up and to have our board people work on it. Boarding?

Mm-hmm.

And we have any kind of a timetable from the attorney at all?

Mm-hmm. But we're down to those.

Who does Mary? I'm not bringing it up. Shut up.

I KNOW NOTHING.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS, MARIANNE. OH, YEAH, I DID.

I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE HAVE A SCHEDULED WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE SOMETHING. SO ARE YOU THINKING NEXT MONTH?

Are you guys comfortable with next month?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I think we're done. Yeah. I was going to say, I think we've done a good job here. Unless somebody else has got something that they're not. We need to get their eyes on it. So if they have any questions or concerns, then we can address them because we've gone over it as well as we need to at this point.

I agree, I think we can we're ready to take it up to the supervisors, I mean to to discuss it with them.

Right. So our next scheduled meeting.

June 15 7pm. I can check with them, make sure they're all available.

Do we have any other business that we need to take care of? We have nothing?

Anything?

Wow. No. So you're just going to start something just to drag it on? No. So we have any comments from the public on anything other than the HDCF Ordinance?

Nothing. I was just wondering, are we pretty well set on the setbacks? Is that what it is?

Unless the supervisors decide to change it. I mean, it's, you know, ultimately up to them. How far are you away from that existing site? I mean, you know, when they run through before, how many feet away are you from that?

It's like 500 and something.

Yeah. I drove by there the other day just to, you know, get back in my mind how close you were. And so this would exclude you, you know, from that site anyway.

Right. I mean, do you think 1,000 feet is enough, Phil? I mean.

Well, you say you're 500 and how many?

I'm not sure, Tom. 560.

So a little less than 600. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

From the property line.

From her house. Didn't have the structure. From her house.

You are pretty close there.

I agree. On the corner of her house, actually. I mean, I get 13 or so feet, a quarter mile. It's kind of at my end. I mean, you guys.

Didn't we match it up to the wind ordinance? Yes.

Yeah, so we were trying to stay consistent with the two. I see. So the windmill could be within 1,000 feet of an inhabited structure? No.

I'm just asking.

I don't know. I didn't read the windmill. Yeah, that was different, wasn't it?

I thought we matched them up so they were the same.

We did setbacks with the very first, one of the very first meetings, I think.

I remember you, I don't want to talk out of turn or anything, but I remember first initial, when I take a 500 and someone said a thousand, I was both, if anything further, whatever it may have been.

And that's over 2,000 feet from the property.

I mean, I get, you know, like before you get set in stone is everyone asks themselves if they want to have that within a thousand foot of their house.

Okay. So the wind one provides, but I see here in age eight.

Yeah.

A property line should set back from a neighboring property line should be no less than 2,000 feet. The owner of the property closer to 2,000 feet may voluntarily agree. That's the property line.

But in what we have here, on page 8 of what we have in our book tonight, the occupied structure and the property line are listed in there.

No, I'm just reading the window.

But I don't know that they match either, if we're leaving.

Well, the only thing I can find is under setbacks is property lines.

On page 8, go down, yeah, property lines. That one says...

I can match them to the window.

But if we're referring to trying to match them up, what we talked about tonight is on page 8.

Well, can we make a note of that and talk to the supervisors at the time and come to a consensus on you know what is appropriate.

yeah. We are. Yeah, I mean if you're always just been noise.

Sure, no reason. To. But what I'm saying is these are not the same number of ranches. No, they're not. To the windward.

I wouldn't want anybody to have to deal with something that close to their house.

Well, I think we are talking a little bit apples and oranges rather than, you know, I think the reason we went so far on the wind turbines was because of the height. The height, yeah. And the potential... But I understand what you're saying. I'm not contradicting what you're saying. I don't think it's going to end up being 2,000 feet. But I do have to kind of lean towards, yeah, maybe the 500 is not enough. But even both of them,

Right. Right. Well, you have kind of a unique situation here. You're laid down below where they propose that. So, you know, I can understand why, you know, you have concern there, so. Noise travel.

Yeah, right down the hill there. Yeah. That's kind of been our main concern all along, really, is noise and

We can talk about that noise. I know we've said 50. We've talked about 45. Yeah.

Let's see. We can talk about that. Yeah, with the supervisor. See where they're comfortable. Because they're the ones that ultimately, you know, gives it a thumbs up or thumbs down. So, you know, I'd like to hear some input from them.

Yeah, for sure.

We don't have anybody actively looking at pushing one of these through right now.

Not that the zoning department is aware of.

Yeah, I don't think there's anybody interested in Jackson County that I'm aware of either.

I want to add to that. I appreciate what you guys are doing because there's one of these going in in Des Moines County. There's no zoning commission at all. Yeah, there's a problem. So I appreciate what you guys are doing. Thank you, guys. That's all I have.

We have nothing else. So moved. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

Anybody opposed? No.

We're adjourned. Thank you, Mary. Good night, everybody.

Good night.