Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

change. So, I'm not sure what I got. I'm not sure, but I would say so everything go after reading later on good there. Y to order. Um um do you want to read roll call for us please? Yes. Brian Venma here.

Christine Bob is excused and absent. Monica Mchu here. Emirita Keys here. Sandra Gerlock here. Tom Stewart yes. Mike Burke here. Okay. So, the next uh agenda item is the approval of the agenda. Anybody have a chance to look at it and entertain a motion to approve the agendas? I'll move to approve the agenda. Second, any discussion on it at all? If not, move vote. All in favor? I. Anybody opposed?

Motion carries. Next item is approval of the minutes of the February 16th, 2026 meeting. Sandra's got a check. Are there any corrections, Sand? Well, I'm not sure what my name is. It's a combination Sandra Gearlock and Sandra Bullock. And I know it's not auto correct. Not at all. You know, a little L and I could be thankful. Maybe Chris's um uh question. First name and last name are spelled incorrectly.

You can change some spelling. My last name is wrong. Are you sure? I know. And I had a month off. I could have reviewed those, but that's not anybody got anything else to correct or in addition to everybody there's names. If not, I was able to approve with correction. Yeah. Aries isn't correct either. Aries isn't correct either.

Uh so we have a motion and a second. All in favor say I. We have a motion to approve with correction. Correct. Yes. Okay. I'm sorry I didn't I missed that one. All in favor? I I opposed. Carries. Next item on the agenda is the consideration of the adoption and signing of the rules of procedure. Becca, you want to go through this? Sure. Um the rule of procedure is needed to be updated um with the new ordinance or um there is here at our table

the ordinance or the what we're supposed to be looking rules of procedure. Yes. page one this process of commission um it's in your but it's in the fold it's a lot of stuff here I do yeah papers everywhere that's right after

so there were mining changes just to get it up to date um with the uh current agenda process. Um the order of the hearings and that it was updated to have um Jackson County residents eligible to be on the zone commission. Is that or where's that? Is it Jackson County residents? Rural Jackson County residents. You know, I don't think it says rural. I should probably specify. I think we probably should. We'll find that and note that. And the other was the officers shall continue to serve until their successors are elected. Um that was a good change. Good example was this year since we were generally do that in January. January got postponed. February.

February canceled. February postponed. March was cancelled. So, so we could kick this can down the road here for a while. Brand.

Yeah. Okay. Well, that is a good thing to put in cuz you never know. Mhm. instead of the first month of the year. Yes. Yeah.

Option And we took out the um that it has to be somebody different to be the chair than these.

So yes, we can have the same chair. Exactly. Yes. Yes, it is. Maybe we have Okay. more than where that little section that is. But right here, do we have a a limit on it? No.

Should we Is that going to be an issue? Is that going to be an issue? The chair can always decline the Yeah, the chair can decline. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't think I don't think so. I don't think it's necessary. Does anybody else have anything else on this? Do we need a motion to Yeah, we're going to need a motion to adopt these rules that's written with the one

with the changes the changes. I'll be whoever wants to make the motion. Do I do? I'll move that we accept the rules and procedure with the changes listed this evening. I'll second that. Is there any further discussion on it? If not, we'll do a vote. All in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed? So, should I sign this Becker or wait until we get the corrections?

Wait, wait till the corrections. Okay. The next item is the election of the chairs. Floor is open for nominations for the chair. I nominate Mike. I second. There. Any other nominations? I move that nomination closed. Any other nomination? I move the nominations closed. Second. Okay. You have a motion in a second. Uh, all in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed?

Okay. I guess in the chair. So then we have election of the Well, technically we just vote voted to close nominations. Now we vote on chair. Oh, okay. So, yeah, now we vote on on chair. So, we have all all in favor say I. I. Anybody opposed? Chair has been decided. That's me. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Mike. So, now we go to vice chair. I nominate Monica. I move for Tom. Tom, I got in first. Tom and motion first. We have a second for that. I'll second an article.

Okay. Any other nominations? I move for Tom. I respectfully decline. So, we don't have a second as long as you declined. Are you serious? Yeah. I I really I've got a full plate as it is. I've done it many times. Okay. Monica is doing a great job. So have I. I've done it more than you. So, is there any other nominations? I move that nomination cease for vice chair. Okay. Do we have a second for that? I'll second. Okay. So, uh all in favor of closing nominations say I. I.

I. Anybody opposed? Nominations are close. So, all in favor of I forgot. Monica vice chair for the come for the fiscal year 2027. Um say I I opposed I should but Monica is the vice chair for Thank you Monica. Thank you Monica. We'll pay for the snaring.

Okay. So, now we move on to the uh public hearing for Jackson State um subdivision section 126. Um, do we have anybody with conflict of interest on the commission that we aware of who's anybody what's going on with this script or it's part of the new rules that so I'm sure

he read the he's got I just got u So now we we will open the uh second or the public hearing for I need a motion to open public hearing. I'll move to open for public hearing. Second, second for Tom. All in favor? I post. So I think we start with Becca. You want to go over the information that we have for this?

Yes. The notice of this public hearing was published as required and notices were mailed to property owners within 500 ft of the subject properties. A total of 38 notices were mailed and as of today I have heard from four nearby property owners by phone and or email. During public comment I will read the email I received and tonight is the preliminary plat review only. So the commission is considering the overall subdivision layout and whether to make a recommendation to the board of supervisors. If the preliminary plat is approved, the applicant would later submit a final plat and final supporting documents for board of supervisors review. The materials submitted include the preliminary plat engineering drawings, drainage and storm water information, draft covenants, agency comments, and applicant provided supporting materials. In general, the main items identified during review are lot layout and buildability, drainage and storm water, private road design and maintenance, wells and septic to be reviewed on a lot by lot basis at the time of permitting, utility service confirmation prior to final flat and final covenant and fencing clarifications. Belleview has completed its extr terri extr territorial review. Storm water was one of the larger items during the city's review. The plans, including the SWPP and related drainage materials in your packet, were revised to meet the city's requirements, and the city has since approved the proposal. One of the more significant items identified during review is the roadway grade issue. The subdivision ordinance establishes a 7% maximum roadway gradient. The applicant's design includes grades above that in certain locations, and the applicant has requested a modification based on site topography and design constraints. The county engineer reviewed that issue and recommended a maximum of 12% while the applicant had

submitted supporting materials for the commission's consideration. Environmental health has also clarified that subdivisionwide preliminary soil testing is not being required at this stage. Instead, soil testing will be will be required on each slot prior to building for septic system installation and final well and septic placement will re will be reviewed later at the permitting stage. Okay. So, do we have the applicant or their agent here to uh speak on this?

My name is Eric Todd WHKS. I live at 120 River Drive over in Belleview, Iowa. Then I can give you an overview and answer any question you have. If you could learn that overall, guess I didn't. First of all, from the maps and the pictures she sent out, I think I know where this is at, but you for a guy who lives in the southern part of the county, be sure and explain exactly where this is. Yep. You got that one that I just creat? Yep. And do you want to tell them now where that is?

Um, yeah, go ahead. So, it's it's on the north side of Belle View there, right? Um, there's Highway 52 right along the river and Seab reds of this right side here. So it's right here and it's this parcel and this parcel here to the west. So for so for a a landmark for me who you know like I said I'm from I was down a little further south of Casey's in relation to this map on the north side. It's going to be south beacon. Yeah it's just to the south. So you just to the south. Yeah. You cross the railroad tracks there by the take a right. That's right in that valley on the left.

Okay, maybe we can see it better on the map. That's what I was thinking, but I just want to make sure I'm clear. It's right off of Jackson Park Drive, right? Pan down a little bit. Casey's waiting for you. Yeah, there's cases right here. Yeah.

So, that's where it sits on the north side of town there. You want to bring up that drawing that I sent to your email? I don't know if it was in this packet. This gives you an overview of the subdivision with the roads, how they're going to be laid out right here. Kind of highlighted in yellow. Pan down just a touch. There's going to be four. So the yellow will be the private roads.

Yeah, those are the private roads. the tie end of your right there. Yeah. Right here on Jackson Park Drive. This is the city. The city limit line is this eastern edge of the property. Okay.

So, we'll have four roads that end in sex. Um we're adding 14 lots with the existing house here. So, we'll be 15 total. The culdeacs are 85 ft. That was one of the comments we got that was not noted on there, but they're they're 85 ft. And we'll make sure to get them labeled. The drainage for this whole site kind of flows east and south down this way. All flows out right here into a culvert under Highway 52. So um all of our drainage here will be picked up by six detention basins in the property to meet the requirements for the DNR. Each lot will have its own well and septic unless in the future some of the neighbors want to combine share well they could probably do that too if it works out for them. Um the electric service the jurisdiction line is right down the center of the property here. So the eastern half is served by the city of Belleview and the western path is served by Makoka Valley. We're still working out the details to see if that's going to remain the case or if we're going to try to connect with the city or pull power in off of possibly Seing Ridge or the western half. But that those talks are still in the works. Well, like Becca said, this is within two miles of the city. So, the city reviewed it and they approved. You guys have any questions on any of that so far?

Has the city talked about annexing this at all?

They did. Originally, they were going to buy like the eastern part of it and develop it themselves, but they decided not to based on public comment and number of different things. So then we decided to go back to Stewart all county larger lots. It was going to have third iss lots down here but no I don't think they're going to plan on doing that now. It's going to be remaining common. So I guess moving forward we need to discuss the road grade. That was the one thing that the engineer mentioned that need to be changed or looked at. So we recommended 12% is the max grade and if you look at the Iowa design guides 12% is the max that you can go on a local street 25 mph city street. So 12% is the max recommended recommended grade. Um but what we got here is a little bit different than a city street. It's a private drive and it's lower speed, lower volume of traffic. We're we're only going to serve the houses that are up there. Um city streets are designed basically up to a thousand cars per day and we're not going to be anywhere near that. Two of the reasons. Another things to think about, I wrote down here, um, the city originally laid out subdivision up in this valley too, and they they also used 18%. The existing drive to the existing house is 17%. That's been in place almost 20 years now. No issue. We tried to flatten it as fast as we

could, but the topography doesn't allow it. Here we go. We're kind of held even at 18%. Is the existing drive that's there now hard surface? Yep, it's paved. You can see it right there. It's 17%. Will your streets be hard surfaced eventually? Yeah. At first, they're going to be gravel and then it'll be on the HOA later. So once once everybody once a person buys a lot five grand that'll be kicked into a roadway fund and then once everything's built up they can pay it later. Otherwise it's just going to get torred off. So the HOA is going to take care of smoke snow and such in the winter.

Yeah. That's another reason why we shouldn't consider let 18% be allowed because it's not become able to take care of it's going to be out. Well, in that area of Belleview, you're going to be it it it would be very difficult to get the grade any less than that. I mean, if you ever been back in that area, my kids played ball at Ensign, you know, for a number of years and it it's just it would be very hardressed to do so.

I mean, I think the um palace is off of 308th Street that is just north of there. I don't think any of those are even close to um at 12%. I think I think some of that is even county road.

Just out of curiosity, I looked in the view. I know there's a ton of steep streets up there. I've made a list here, just a handful that I've seen enough. And these are 25 mph streets in the city that are open to public traffic, you know, cars parked on the road. And there's, look at this one, 25%, 20%, 17, a handful of them that are really steep. And yeah, you just you got to consider that in the winter time, they just got to, you know, do a better job putting the salt up and whatnot. But perhaps the best example is um you want to scroll back up is the Mickel subdivision that was put in probably 25 years ago. This is 18.3 or 18.6% that I got where it's the exact same situation that we got. It's a county subdivision on the edge of the city limits right here. And they did the same thing. You know, they're serving the handful of houses up at the end dead end street and it's about same bridge. I guess my thoughts with it being a private road. Sure. I I know the engineer would like it less than that, but this is going to be a private subdivision. It would be very difficult to make those grades there. I don't know if you guys ever driven to the Smoky Mountains, but down there a lot of places like their county around 5% there. Most areas they get snow down there, too. So, it's it's just Iowa doesn't have design standards set that way because most of the states follow.

So, you pretty much have to look at on a case by case basis like we're doing now, determine if it's going to be the right thing to do. I think it is. The only thing I'd be concerned about is if there's going to be an erosion issue where it connects with the city street. Um, if you go back to the not going to Yeah, the whole bottom of the valley is pretty flat. The current driveway already does hook I think. Visit the current driveway already hooked to the city road right there too.

Yeah. And we're not really changing that very much. So it won't be hardly any difference. Oh yeah, the steep spots are just up on the bluff areas. So going up this hill, I want to say there's about 150 elevation grade difference from the bottom here to get to the top. So that's what we're fighting against. But yeah, everything down here is very fun. that that street there is.

Yeah, this is all flat. Come all the way up to right about here. And then we start going up the hill this way, too. To get up here to serve these lots, it's pretty steep going up this way. Then you want conditional. You know what, though? It's private, you know. I mean, and if it's private, county's not going to maintain it. We've already got other areas and if you've been in this area, I'm not sure how you can Well, I I know that I just was I was just verifying where it was. I I know the you know, I've been out there enough to know the topography. Yeah.

So, it's going to be steep. Yeah. Wherever you're at. Sure. But,

okay. Well, we can move on. I've driven on the existing road right now to their current house and it's nothing yeah out of the ordinary really for the topography and so guess I didn't really have any more discussion items I guess plan moving forward we're just looking for preary approval so we can get going on the final documents. Give that some concern with others. You guys have any more questions?

Yeah. This is uh Jared Decker here. I'm tuning in through the Zoom call. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Okay. Um I am new to this. I I have not partaken in one of these, so forgive me if this is uh out of out of line here. Um, is is this um like going to happen? Is it like up for vote or like what like what's the expectation I guess for the subdivision? Is it happening or do we vote on it or like what's how does that work? Well, we don't know if it's happening yet. This is preliminary.

Okay. So, does it get voted on or does it just happen? And is this just to notify us that it is or No, that's fine. Wait, you go ahead. So, the zoning commission is a recommendation to the supervisors. So, what we're doing is we're ultimately we're making a recommendation to the supervisors and they make the final decision on whether it happens or not. Okay. And as a surrounding resident, we're just being notified that it's happening because we're within 500 ft of this. Is that accurate? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Could I chime in real quick? As long as as long as Jared is out of order, I think I will be out of order as well. Yeah. I was gonna say

um this is Steve Ensign. Uh, I'm representing not only Nsign Corporation, but also Dale's first corporation who owns the land in the building that Nsign uses. That land also includes David Nsign Memorial Park with the ball fields. And my only question would be, has thought been given when this actually happens and the Earth movers start coming in, will we be able to get our trucks in and out of our docks without major disruption? Has any thought been put to that? Maybe that's a preliminary qu maybe it's too premature question. I don't know. But it that's the first thing that popped in my mind. Yeah.

Yeah. This won't be a major earth work operation. Actually, the guy that's doing the earth works TWW excavating, he was up there this fall already and he hauls his equipment in. He's he's on site and you don't even hardly know he's there. Okay. Well, that's that's that's fine. I guess my request is just keep that in the back of the mind. So, if this really goes through, we still have a business to run. Yep.

That's it. Thank you. So I guess if you're done with So we have anybody else wants to speak in support of of this project. If anybody online and see what you got.

Yes, I'm just a little bit. I'm I'm a real estate. I'm Steve Demers with realy and I've been working with you guys from the beginning. And one thing that I know is our county and our cities need lots and building sites extremely bad. and we have a family finally who came to the forefront and did everything they could to have lots put into our county. So, I think it's essential to try to make it work cuz if this don't work, then where else do we build? How do we get people here, people that want to move here? So, I think they did everything they needed to do. Um, I went all the way. They went through the city. We had a long city process and the I don't know anything about the old engineering wing but the city's engineers I felt were very very um detailed and made sure that things were going to work for all the people at the bottom of the hills and each and everything. So I think it's essential to try to get some some housing in our town.

Thank you. Jer said confirmed about water. We got a lot of water coming off that hill right now. So, are you in support of it? Pardon? Are you in support of this project or opposition? I'm just asking for people for supporting the this position right now about they're for or against, but I have concerns. We'll catch you in the next group. Thank you. Okay. Is there anybody else here in support of this project? So, now anybody in opposition to this project? which if you're in the middle of the road, please consider that to be a composition.

So, my name is Dwayne Van Hemer. I live at 109 Court. My property backs up to where they want to do the drainage apparently. I brought videos with me. You should have seen the the drainage down there this week without it in the development. They probably cut our ditch 6 to 12 inches deeper than it was six months ago. Let me back up. I live there for four years. I lived in Jackson County for 5 years. I'm a retired builder, developer from De Mo. My wife's from Debuke. We moved back up here. I love it. I love Belle. I love Jackson County. Everything about it. I'm not anti-development at all because I've done several myself. I know how tough it is to get this through the process, but my concerns are the drainage is horrendous there. There was a detention basin there in the $8 tax and filled it in and reduced it probably to less than a fourth of what was there previous. There was a pond there. He filled it in. My understanding from family members, they wanted to build a couple put a couple lots there. I love he's a good guy. I mean, I got to know him, but the water that comes down through that back my property is just amazing. U and I can I'll for you the the videos that I have to improve, but it really really is something that needs to be dealt with. I heard I just heard tonight that that's where the drainage is going to go. man. The only way you're going to do it is if you're going to build a subterranean title to get the water down to the other end because if you don't, you're going to ruin what's there. There's a beautiful stand of walnut trees there. I love looking at it and we've been cleaning up around just to kind of, you know, improve the the view of the back of our home. But I really am concerned about where that water is going to go,

but how it's going to not where it's going to go in the end, but how it's going to hit from point A to point B. When you add all that development up there, especially if you put in hard surface roads, you put a bunch of rooftops up there, you're going to have a lot of water. And second comment is I was one of those community members that was opposed to the city getting involved. I don't think taxpayer dollars should be used at all to develop property like that. It's a little bit of risk. It's a high-end development I would call, but it may sit there for years before anybody buys some of those lots unless it's resold. And I'm really opposed to using taxpayer dollars for that. Not opposed, however, to tax a commitment or tiff financing. If it's available, that's great. There are ways to do it legally, but just to participate in a developer as an investor. If you can't go to a bank and have a bank finance it, then it isn't a quality development to start with. That's it. Third comment I have. I got to notice like everybody else lives within 500 ft. I can show you where my house is if they're interested. But it's second house down from sack on Sunrise Court. And he said that all the developments I was that I participated in this may be you know for a little bit before the need to do so but we always had neighborhood meetings and we invited the neighbors. They didn't do any of it. They should have invited all the neighbors back up to that drainage ditch area and live on that street that that traffic's going to be on. There are some young Jackson family members that live on that street. There are a lot of little kids there and there's an impact for the traffic that and the drainage was never addressed. It should have been addressed in a community meeting where we could talk to them. They could allay our fears. They could tell us how they're going to deal with the drainage where it's going to go

and I would encourage you to kind of delay us until that's done. Those would be my comments respectful because I really am pro development. I just don't think this one's been done the right way. I I got a question for you and then I got a question for you. The walnut trees you're talking about, whose property do they sit on? They're on the out. It's over by the Jackson family. Yeah, they're their trees. Okay. And then we just And with the with the with the steep grades we're talking about, the drainage did come to my mind with these retention ponds that you you're talking about. Are they going to be underground funneled down there or is it going to be over the top? No, it's open detention basins. Okay. Right. Which is

so I can I can expand on when he's done. Yeah. Well, it's an issue you need to address. I think you need to address with the neighbors. And you live a rear yard. What's What's the grade going up there? That's 12. Yeah. Yeah. It's steep. Yeah. Really?

So anyway, those are my comments. I just appreciate this process. I like to know more. I think the gamers deserve to know more before they impact us like Thank you. Is there anybody else who wants to speak on opposition? I will. My name is Tri Diamond. I'm a ad a joining property member. We've lived in our property for about 10 years now. Was passed down through our family. I bought it for the specific purpose of hunting. Now, we're in a county where hunting is legal. law states that I cannot fire a firearm within 200 yards of a structure. The structures are going to be less than that and my property will not allow me for anywhere else to hunt because of my restrictions. So, this is going to directly affect the reason I bought this property and the acreage was for the purpose of hunting. I'm a developer also. I'm in the same boat as he is. I I'm completely for progress. I agree with the fact that the city should have no business in this investment. That's just the way I feel. It's my input. Uh my other concerns are erosion control along with the drainage that we're not getting affected. I again I've lived there. I've watched the water. Every time you touch the ground, you're looking at a mudslide. It's happened time and time again on our property. So, I know what's potentially going to happen. So, I want to know that we're protected from that and the water and what rights we have as far as fencing. I have a fence along that property and we have cattle, we have horses that we introduced into our property from time to time. And if you're going to divide

my property up into four different sections, now I have to go to four different people and fight with them over repairing or replacing a fence instead of one or a short distance of fence. So far as I'm concerned, I want no part of maintaining a fence. I feel at that point it becomes their proud to maintain and uh uphold the fence along that property line. But again, my biggest concerns are famous is I'm sorry I didn't catch your name, but

water and erosion and that's going to be a big issue especially when you start digging foundations. So other than that, I'll let somebody else speak. Thank you. Who will speak? I favor tripping. Um we farm on the north side of the property. What's your name? Well, Jerry Peter um GI Peter Farms is a is a um what it's listed under. I'm concerned about fencing. Same. I'm not going to I'm not going to go 16 different ways and we'll divide fences up. That's that's a big issue with me. Um I'm concerned about water training also. Um at the top village they show most of the water is going towards the south which it is but there is a ditch that comes into ours that I would be very concerned about um washing there um water. Um and then the hunting thing also is a is a big issue for us. You know that was this farm has been in our family for a long time. We've hunted up there. We we raise livestock up there. Um the impact of houses around would I would consider that not great with livestock, but it is what it is. Um, but I'm mostly concerned about water and fence. Um, and and hunting concern is also um on the dock. You know, we just purchased this farm from my grandmother a year ago and now this is coming into it and it's it's different than what we had anticipated. Not necessarily overly excited about the idea. You know, there's there's places, you're right, we need subdivisions and we need places for homes, but there's places I don't know if I can call it a place for homes. I've been up there. I've made fences. I know what

these ravines and I see some of these lots laid out. It's a ditch, you know, where some of the blocks are. That's my concern on Anyone else?

My name is Richard Mank. Um, I just built a house two and a half years ago on Jackson Park Drive and my property butts up against this. My concern is from my property line. It does go up, the grade goes up. Are they going to have some kind of a retention wall between my property and the next property for water control? Because once you put a house up, you got all the gutters and down spouts running somewhere and it's all goes downhill and I don't need it in my backyard. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. My name is Joe Bernowski and I'm new to that neighborhood. I bought uh a lot and I've built a home there. Uh my only concern is the environmental impact it's going to have on the neighborhood. All the lots that you know already been subdivided off off the Jackson property. They built a beautiful place there. They have a nice stand of trees. I just love it. Uh, and I'm just worried about the environmental impact and what it's going to do with the value to the homes that they've already subdivided. Um, I walked up there, I had no idea what was up behind me to be honest with you. I walked up today and I thought, boy, beautiful place for a ski area. Thank you. Anyone else want?

So now we'll hear if anybody uh in support wants to have a rebuttal. You could bring up the overall guide, but I don't Eric Todd again.

I can expand on the drainage design. Actually, that one's good there, too. Um, so, so part of the the design of the drainage here is affected by So, this whole entire valley flows down through that drainage man. So, we can't really do hardly anything about what happens up here. But the pieces in our subdivision that we can do something about um we're collecting all that water basically. So the current requirement makes you hold back the amount of water that happens in a 100redyear storm and only let it release at the 5year rate before anything was built. So a 100redyear storm is a storm that's so intense creates so much water that you only see it once every hundred years. So for the the land inside the subdivision, we're going to hold back all the water that would happen in that 100-year storm and only let it release at the 5year rate when nothing was there. So all the roads, all the roofs, everything that's creating more runoff is going to be contained. Um on the east side, you just mentioned that possible water running down at those houses. We're going to have an intercepting ditch along there that will pick it up and carry it down to the the drainage basin. What the other drainage items questions you guys had said? Was there anything else you want to be addressed?

I've done through the hour. I'm not even going to handle. So, it's going to be reduced. Well, you know, three, five, threeear storm went through in the last week. Yeah. We can't control the rain, but we're reducing it from what it would be if we left it alone. Done a pretty poor job of what's there now is what I'm saying. Yeah. Sir, you'll have your chance to Where do you anticipate the basins to be located at?

Um, I can show you if you bring up the map. You bring up the the overall one. It's probably one. Well, I think one about here. So, there's one right here by the road that intersects into Jackson Park. This is the main one. This is the biggest one. And then there'll be one up here in this valley. Then there'll be four western end section. If you want to go to the next page, since the ditch is so steep coming down through here, we had to put a series. Um, three of them in this dish. Well, there'll be three little ones coming down this dish and then one over here catching the backside coming off lot that lot four you mentioned that on the neighboring property. We're going to have a a BM on there blocking that drainage way with a small pipe. So, it's going to catch what's coming out of there. Let it out real slow there, too. Any other drainage questions?

No, not drainage, but what about the fencing? Yeah, the fencing. Um, I think pretty much all perimeter fence is new, so we won't have to deal with it for a while. But right now in the governance, they got it written where it's going to be you deal with each property owner, but they might want to change it to you deal with the HOA and they do it as a whole. That's a possibility. I've seen it done both ways, but right now it's written so yeah, the neighbors would deal with each individual property owner and that's by the state code. I don't think it works that way. Thought Mark said that each individual lot of stuck will dispense to deal with. Well, they pay for an entire fence. I'm thinking that, but I I don't I'm just right here

or the I don't remember what you put in there on the codes. It's right there county which makes a difference. Right. And that's and that's my question because typically with the fencing law when you're looking at the fence the right hand side is typically the owners left hand is the neighbors and I think that's what this rule is here. Yeah, that's I think right now it's written so the neighbors got to work with each individual lot. As a partner with some neighbors who aren't very good and we only have one neighbor to deal with,

we can't force you to do anything. But I would recommend doing something because what I can tell you is good fences make good neighbors. Yeah. Um I think the easier way to address it would be have the HOA as a whole. I that's what I would recommend because we've got as well Mark was putting it as that the each individual lot would own the fence. Not that the not that they would have it as a whole, but say like the one up there in the corner, he would own the fence all the way around. That's not that's not how the Iowa code is.

No, I realize that's right. And so I I would just recommend that because when you've got livestock and you've got people who move out to the out to the county and don't like livestock because they don't understand the smell of money. Um and then you know if you've got you know when you're breeding um you got cows out there you're going to have calves that are going to want to push through. Um so you're recommending that

I use the right hand rule. I would to be perfectly honest I would recommend that the HOA I that's my personal opinion because what I can tell you is that there will be this sounds great. I love the idea of having more housing in Jackson County because I'm a transplant to the county as well. But I can honestly tell you when you've got housing and when you've got cattle up there, if if you got somebody who doesn't have any experience whatsoever with livestock and you've got calves pushing through in the spring and you know when you've got heers out there and somebody else has got bowls, trust me, the bulls are going to want to see the heers even though they don't belong there and it just creates an issue. And so I think you really should have you should work with the neighbors to figure out a good fencing agreement that will satisfy both

and recorded. And recorded. Yes. And recorded because it's great for this person. Yes. But for future

owners that don't know what it is and that handshake agreement is no longer that I agree with that. Yeah. There was a comment about traffic, too. Um, I think the last count that was done on Jackson Park Drive, it was like 200 cars per day. A city street is good. Like I said, up to about a thousand cars per day before it gets congested. We're probably adding maybe 150 cars per day. That's trips. So, 75 leading, 75 coming. It's a conservative number. It's probably going to be less than that, but it's still well under that thousand yard on Jackson Park Avenue. The hunting I don't know there's much I can say about that.

That that's something that you can't control with with the state on that. There was just one other public comment that I received via email and it was also regarding the drainage and he had the pictures.

Yeah, we can only do so much with the drainage. I mean, from our on the piece of on our land, we're holding back more water than it's going to be released in the future. So, we're doing the best we can to help. I mean, there's still that giant drainage wave drained down through there, so we can't do anything about that. But on our land, we're holding back all of our water. Well, there was always a crier. It's just that we've slowed it down over the years. Okay. Is there anybody that wants to give you back up to that picture that showed that on next one right there? Thank you. And I agree and cru one time and find a bunch of client shells there in the water, but it goes down. I'm going go look and see if I can find some more. That's how much erosion there's been. But that's the creek that's directly to, I'd say, the north of my home. There's a burn there. You see those trees? It goes down between that old houses and ours. What the engineer just showed you was a basin on the other side of that street that's currently there. It went up to Delbert Jackson's home, but it did not address this side of the road.

It did, actually. Oh, yeah. I didn't say that. I should have. Um, so we're cutting this out. This will be a open ditch right here. Oh, thank you. So, more water is going to run down through that area. No, it's going to be all cleaned out. What are you gonna do? Take trees and everything. Not down to Iowa. You need to talk to the viewers. You really do. That's a beautiful spot. We're not touching any of that down.

Well, then you're not going to control the erosion. Do you think that's there's a pipe out of that pond right now that's running 24/7. I mean, it's a lot of water coming through there, and I think it needs to be addressed. And you you're doing a disservice to the current residents if you don't make these guys work it out with us because we're going to get more and more angry as time goes along. That is not addressed seriously. And it's it's a mess and it needs to be cleaned up. What's that picture of the pond? Where is that in relation on when you're

that is right there pointed out? which you didn't address upon being there. That's on the south side of the road and that goes to the east all the way down to the highway all the way down to the river. That's quite a river through there. My next door neighbor, you may or may not know and Steve Hawkman built a burn in his backyard so he'll keep the water from running into his basement that runs down through there. They did some remedial work. They put in some drain lines years ago. That burner is still there and water was up to it yesterday. So, it runs a lot there. And I think it's a mistake not to figure this out. I'm not opposed to houses up. They're great. I'd love to myself. It's beautiful. But not at the expense of ruined backyards of 10 or 12 other people that already live there on both sides. Is it is it affects our side, which is the south side of that basin more? I don't know if you saw a picture of that top lot or not, but I really think it's important and I behind my house. Maybe you just show the beacon.

I mean, unless they have 10 people willing by, I don't think the lane is working this out is a big deal for anybody. It's not. I shouldn't speak full.

Just Google one. If I could get to my search bar.

Okay. Zoom. Yeah. 109. 109. Sunrise. Mhm. Okay, if you can just Yeah, zoom there. Whoa. So, right there is the driveway going up to the home. Now, the area to the south of that or below that driveway off of Jackson Park, that was a larger detention basin one time. You can see where it filled in. There's two lots there right there. And now it's about a third or maybe a quarter of the original size. that water. There's creek that goes back to the west all the way up that hill. There's springs up there, I'm sure. Drainage, it all comes right down behind up my lot and all those homes along Sunrise and it was torrential. I know we had a lot of rain. My house, we had over seven inches last week total and three raintorms, but the water that comes in through there really needs to be addressed. It's also, I think, a safety issue because there's kids that live in some of those biotaches on decks and I hear their parents yelling at them all the time to get out of the water. It's it's kind of a safe it's water is an attractive use

for kids.

And whoever planted the walnut trees, they're in a straight road, straight line right up through the They weren't planted. They weren't a bird dropped it. Squirrels squirrels did. They weren't planted, but it's a straight line. Well,

too is a gorgeous row of trees right through there. Anyway, I I I'm just not happy that the neighbors weren't brought in with some of the planning because I think a lot of this could be it could be done better than it has been. If you could zoom out farther. So the subdivision compromised took up about third of that entire draway that entire valley. I think we're going to reduce that flow going out of there considerably by holding back all that water in our our section. It's about a third of the valley. Plus, we're going to cut that ditch and clean that out. We're moving the ponds to the other side of the road to get it away from the ditch. I think we're doing a number of things that's going to improve. Where's the insign?

It's down. It's down in the bottom right hand corner. You see where N sign? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right on the map. Yep. The city engineers looked at this in pretty good in depth and they they didn't because they didn't want any issues for their citizens in the city. Was any of this ever farmed? Yeah. Like rocrop or CRV?

Well, it been rolls where the housing was and u pasture through most of the rest of it. And it was originally before dad bought it on top of the hill was farmed. Well, that's what I was wondering if it it was farmed at one time. Well, 40 years ago. Yes. The thumb hub water was controlled. No, there was any control that's in it now was what we but I mean that somehow the water didn't wash the hillside away if it was being farmed or

that's probably why the ditches are supposed so up there the top of the hill there's a little flat spot out there that was far the hill the side the very top of the hill where it buds up to is flat as far what maybe 34 acres well there's there's a there is an open there was an open field up there. Yeah. Right in that back corner. Yeah. Maybe five acres, right? Yes. I mean, that was that was a long time ago back when Well, it was open when dad bought it. Dad bought it 93.

Yeah. It wasn't wasn't far. My only concern I want to break out bring back up is fencing. This splitting it up that many ways to me sounds like a terrible idea. Okay, so a tree falls now. It is brand new fence. The whole thing is but it's lying the trees. Trees go down. We got cattle in there and they're in somebody's yard. They shoot on somebody's That never happens. Who's responsible for it? Is that on my the point she was making?

That's that's my that's my point. Not our not ours us as a property owner, but the person that have to buy in is they have to maintain a fence that's going to keep something out.

I I mean, we've got we've got a very good neighbor now, but we've got we've got a fence that Billy Kley orders us now. And I mean, we've had trees go down and said, "Hey, you know, we've got we've got issues and and we've been able to work it together." But he's got cattle. We've got cattle. We've got we had another neighbor that was not so nice that we did have a lot of issues with. And it's never fun when you've got a tree that's in the fence line. Okay, whose tree is it? And it's goes down. And so and like I said, when we've got when you've got livestock, fences are good, but guess what? cattle push against them, trees grow up, fall on them, die. Um, and I would really hate to be a neighbor and have to deal with four different property owners on my fence. And like I said, we can't tell you how to do that. You know, we can approve or or deny. I don't think we do anything with the fences, but like I said, I would highly recommend working on a deal with neighboring property owners. what would be the standard in most places that they do because this has to come out some other places too.

I honestly don't know. I mean, we had we came from we we still own ground in Boone County. We had property in Hamilton County and we had a registered fence agreement. Ours was backwards. Ours was we had the left and the other property owner had the right hand side. Um, but we had a lot of trees and had to deal with it and but we had it recorded so that we knew what to do. I'm I honestly don't know. I mean, I really don't.

There's a development out by the golf course that she sk I believe that the the um the development is responsible for all fixes up there. rule 99.

I mean, I I would I would check and see because I mean, it is when when you got livestock if if neighbors haven't dealt with it before and guess what, your cow gets into your into your nice manicured lawn and deposits cow pies and tears it up, um, they're not going to be happy. And who's responsible for it is is the problem because it will happen. It it will. And what are the rules in the city? Correct. The city of Belleview with half of its city, half of its county. That could be different also. This is all county. This is all but the electric. Yeah. Okay.

So, none of it none of it's going to overlap with the city of Belleview. The property. None of the property. Yeah. Well, it's kind of that way right now. This agreement is right. That's what I'm saying. So, what are the agreements right now? But is there livestock there right now? Does it matter? See, well, and it doesn't matter years ago. Mom didn't like the cows on the driveway. Really? Yeah.

Put that in as a conditioned isn't up to us either. Yeah. No, but we can put it into the condition and the supervisor decide on it. Yeah. Yeah. How do I make sure this is addressed before it moves on? I mean, that's my other concern. You know, I don't I want to make sure something's done there. Have we done any fencing before? I don't recall that we have. It's been a long time. Well, I guess we got a question on that. Could you do it where the HOA is? It's just basically the property holder of the thing.

So, it's for the entire boundary. So, you go through the right-hand rule with the neighbor and association. So, it's basically dealing with one-on-one versus four different people. You could. That's kind of what I was getting to with that conditional. But the other But see, the other problem is Who's going to decide how you know? I think we just have to record. You have to figure it out and record it. We can't because we can't control any of that. So, I think that's our concern, right? But I mean, it's something I I know we could put it in as a conditional, but I don't know if I'd want to do that. I mean, I would just recommend that.

Well, I'd recommend it. Sure. Um but you know unless we put it in as a condition then you know then it doesn't go any further than that. Um I sympathize with you know the idea of having to you know deal with the right hand shake with a bunch of different people who aren't necessarily farm background background.

You know I agree with everything you've been saying. I agree with what the guys have been saying here and that's why I was thinking that possibly which is brought up. I'm not you know I'm not saying this the first time tonight that it's the HOA and the farmer not the individual property owners and the farmer. is still not a desirable thing, but it's better than dealing dealing with or I don't know how many lots would you know they're 15 lots all together but I don't know how many would actually butt up against pasture anyway it is in the subdivision ordinance and I don't bring my copy but you I'm sorry what now

your subdivision ordinance it's in your packet um it is in the ordinance that the responsibility for maintenance repair replacement or removal shall be clearly ly defined in the final covenant and or related documents and any required boundary fence agreements shall be recorded as required by it will be in there and will be recorded just however they figure it out however they figure it out I think normally it's already this has already been hashed out when it's come to us before you know I that's reason that you asked what we haven't dealt with this well technically we have it's just that it's been taken care of already they It is mentioned in the preliminary

covenants. Yeah. But when when we pulled it up before, Becca, it basically said it followed the Iowa law, which is the right-hand left-hand rule, which I get it. Um, and that's basically how it is. But then you're dealing with four different property owners and you've got four pieces in the middle there. And I'm betting that none of those people are going to have a fence, you know, a stretcher for the fence, let alone know how to use it. But if they're buying a piece of property with the fence, they should know what that is when they buy it.

They should be written down. I mean, we do away, they know upfront before they even buy a property. If they don't like the rule, they don't buy it. Yeah. That simple, right? But if it's on on there, it's HOA. they know before they even buy it. There's nothing surprised and if they don't like the rule, they don't buy it. It's that simple. So, just a quick question. Who will go in the HOA who will go out and repair that if a tree goes on? They hired them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. that it will not be the property owners

that would have like is there a manager of this that would get all that taken care of because have trees on fences in the middle of the night and let it go into the day. You put that in there. Yeah. There's like there's a principle there. It's like

somebody in their own association. Hey sir, sir. My name is Roger Nichols. Uh if you come and go to build right now and watch all the water and myself running down the street and there's water issue that's been there forever rain and we talk about the rain going down the ditch but it also comes down the other way and runs through the yards and and down by the park. If you would attend around there when the right backyard around there was just pump full of water and my sump pump has been running steady and there's water in the street. You come on there and look. Yeah, it is a river down.

Yeah, that's that's my concern. There is a lot there is a water problem. Nobody has anything else. Yeah, I got one other I guess maybe question. Uh this is Jared here. Um I apologize if this has been asked or or noted earlier. Um how many acres would this subdivision uh amount to?

50 acres. Okay. Um I I'm not completely opposed to it. Um I guess one concern I have is I I do like wildlife. I do like agricultural and um agricultural land too. Um with the addition of that park and um smaller subdivision down below already. I've seen a lot of decrease in uh wildlife as it is. you know, we used to see deer down there all the time right by Triffins and um like that's almost I don't see any more wildlife there. Um and I'm not I'm not opposed to progress either. I I could find reasons to be on board with this as well, for sure. Um but I I don't like the idea of picking more habitat away from wildlife either. Um and I don't hunt that land or anything like that. I just that's a it would be a concern for me. So, um, I'm not saying I'm opposed to it. I'm not saying I'm against it, but that would be a a concern. So, we're already pushing them further back than what they already lost.

Thank you. Yep. I I know I read in our documents everything's going to be two acres, but there were a couple of them that with the easements they would be less than two acre. Last is there one or two? We failed that one more but I'm not seeing anything that is less than two. There's three but there's lot five is 1.81.

Okay, there it is. Okay, there. Oh, I was looking at the totals. Okay, so the nets. Okay, I wasn't looking at the nets. Lot 12 is less. Okay, lot 11 is less. Yep. 13 is less but just fractional. Yeah, just fractional take. Yeah.

Yeah. Two acres is roughly the size of a city block. So it's a lot of room for yourself. I entertain a motion to close the public hearing. I move that we close the public hearing. I'll second that. All in favor say I.

I oppose. Okay. So next is for us to consideration of the recommendation the board board of supervisors for the Jackson states plan. Does anybody in the commission have any more discussion? um right now. Um so I'm not saying we're going to do this, but if we were to just approve it as it is, what is the number that gets plugged in here for the grade on the rows?

18% is what's was there, right? 18%. Becca, is that right? Okay. So if we if we improve as presented, it's 18%. Right.

My question is if we were to recommend it, will all of these considerations be put in there for the supervisors to review? Yes. Um not everything that we've talked about. Yes. Yeah. Um discuss if we Yeah. We have to have it put in. No, I said will all of everything we put in put in. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. Be put in. So that like it's line item all of these considerations. The discussion will be brought up to them. The discussion will be brought up but it won't be in the recommendation. Correct. Um so if you want something recommended to the supervisors, we got to add it. Mhm.

Um I do have the set of conditions of approval in the staff summary if you wanted to do any of Yeah. Where we have it at

page seven. Seven. and they're generally um just reiterating the subdivision ordinance. So one is they're all pretty much subdivision ordinance requirements regardless. Except number two where the modification They're requesting a modification of the road crate.

for discussion on this. As much as I hate restrictions coming

say it. Can't I can't say it. I can't say it. Um, oh, please. Come on. I honestly think that one of the restrictions that we should put in here is that the fencing should be between the HOA when joining land owners. Well, I appreciate that. That must have been hard.

Very hard because, you know, I hate owning. Well, you know, technically we're giving them, you know, we're conditionally or we're modifying the um grade conditionally. So, you know, it's not like it's unprecedented in this subdivision. Is there anything else that we should um be considering? I mean, that we've hit the two big ones, you know, as far as the grade and the um uh well, well, the fencing. I think we all can agree on we're all on the same page on the fencing. I'm not so sure on the grade. And is there anything we want to put in there or is it covered well enough already, you know, for the concerns about the water and the erosion?

I think so. In this area, it's hard to change the grade just because of the way the land lays. Um, but with the retention ponds, I mean, they they're going to have three retention ponds for 50 acres. I mean, that's a lot. Six or six? Oh, sorry. Six. That's right. Six retention ponds for 50 for 50 acres.

This is just for discussion. I This is This is just for discussion. Yeah. So, um I mean the water from that land goes down through there now and I understand that there's not hard surface roads and that water going down through there. Yeah. The same amount the same amount of rain is going to fall. the the concern is is with the added there there's going to come a quicker time because of the runoff of off the hard surfaces. Yeah, I I get that. Yeah, I agree too.

I mean, you're down next to the river, there's water comes down there. There's water comes there's water. You're talking about the rain that this past week, there's water everywhere in Jackson County this week. So I mean and then on top of Illinois sump pump was running from

we don't have sump pump but we had I mean in in one of our waterways that very rarely gets water we had a river running through and I I get it and I mean our retention pond ponds were they filled very quickly and it I mean it took a long time for them to to empty but I I've seen it and the excavator that's going to be doing the work is feel very good with what he does. Very very good. So, so where I'm leaning right now is is to as conditions um put in about the U fencing with the covenant of or with the HOA rather than the individual H housing owners coming up with a figure on the grade but leaving the water issue for the supervisors um to to hash out But that's going to be on our notes that that there is a big concern about the amount of water going down through there and it needs to be properly addressed. I'm sympathetic with the gentleman about the hunting rights. I I understand too. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know what we can do.

Yeah. Right. I think that's out of our hands. But I I understand it. All right. But that could be in the nose. It could be because it's difficult to find places to buy land to be able to maintain,

right? I mean, I think like with the with the storm water issues, I think we've kind of already got that addressed in there with the county engineer being responsible for reviewing that. I mean, let's face it, we don't have engineering degrees. That's kind of where that should fall to anyway, right? with that. I understand the engineers's concern with the grade, but on the other hand, it's a private road. Um, where city engineers wrote signed off on it?

Yeah. The city engineers, the water's coming through the city, right? At the end, right? Right. Yes. passing through city property here. So I think we've done our due diligence on the log shoot runoff not water run off like yes I'm sympathetic about the cattle because I I would say that nice fancy houses are not necessarily going to want a six strand barb wire fence on their property to mle around like that one gentleman said if they don't want they don't have to buy that property

right right But this is what I'm going to say. So, we had that in one of our pastures. And um what the guy did was he intentionally mowed everything on the back side of the barb wire fence so that the cattle would not push against it. So, he had it completely manicured so there was less of a concern. So, I don't know if there would be such a thing as I don't want to say a double fence, but anyway. I'm I'm just saying I haven't

I know how that is and I don't because you're paying a lot probably I mean you are buying a beautiful lot want it to be nice to the end of the property but at the same time farmers are on the other side and they are also Does anybody want?

All right. I will make the motion. I will make the motion that we move to approve with the 18% grade that is in the plan and also that a fence agreement is reported that shows that the fence will be maintained by the adjoining land owner and the HOA not the individual lot owners. I'll second that. Is there any further discussion on that?

Okay. Vote for vote. All in favor? I We do a roll call on this one. We can do a roll call. Yeah. That's very important. I got a paper.

Brian Venma, yes. Monica Mchugh, yes. Amarita Keith, yes. Sandra Gerlock, yes. Tom Stewart, yes. Mike Burke,

yes. Okay. Thank you all for your comments for kids. Okay. MC.

So what is this your like Monday night entertainment? Is it? You know, we felt so special because we got a text from our daughter that said, "Becca wants you to know that there is no meeting tonight." I And I actually had a I didn't have your numbers. I fell and so I sent her an email and I sent Brian an email because I didn't hear back from Beth and I knew Brian had her contact info. So I'm like, "We need to get a hold of it." feel so special. But it was interesting listening do this, right? I know what they're talking about. I wouldn't know it. I wouldn't build a house there because it was the same.

You would. I would not. No, but then neither would you have built one up by the city water tower in Belle, you know, to climb up that hill or any of those houses along that bluff that things are eroding, you know, right right past. Right right past the mansion we always at least up there up there in that area.

I know. I know. But but that's Look at the houses on the way to that. Look at where they built them on. We go in the room all the time and say, "Oh, I would not have a house there." somebody that just wants to get up there. Yeah, we do. I mean, but I think it needed rain too for me. Yeah.

Worked a lot of other places. He must be about the only one in Jackson County. I'm too far north of Jackson County to work down in Jackson County. I should be. The boy from No,

yeah, I never heard a thing about it. I just I know I know that last name. I know. I know. I don't know what family he might be. I don't see I know I don't know Clinton County my mom's oldest no just kind of I hadn't heard it while I saw what you mean. I looked it up.

Okay, I guess with work session on the draft. data mining, data processing center. What is this? Where do we start? Where do we move off? Well, I know it has been so long. Um, how timing wise, how much do we want to cover tonight? Do we want to hit some highlights and then follow it? Um, what's Well, I Let's hit highlights. That's that's like 30 or 40 minutes kind of.

Yeah. Yeah. That you know takes a lot of you know deal with major flat like tell me about it. Well my auditorians.

Yeah we hear a lot about that too. I bet you too a little bit. Yeah, since we last met, there's actually been a lot that went on around us even. So, it's hard not to keep up with I mean, data mining is in the news every day pretty much. We might be wasting our time anyway. The state didn't change everything. And then there's potential legislation that if we did it make it through the funnel, though. I mean, is it is it going to be pushed off till next year? Yes. I don't think it made it through the That's what That's the way I was understanding which bill. Yeah, that's a good question.

It was a house bill. Um Well, there's 258 cost file 2580 was renewable energy sighting. I don't think data mining was in that unless there was a separate bill that I didn't see. The one you're talking about, is that the one that didn't make the funnel? It got put on unfinished business. So, it's not bad. They could bring they could still bring it all. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yes. Which kind of they could go hand in hand and if they already have something for wind turbines, it wouldn't be hard to throw, you know, other local ordinance on that either. So, time is running out. I don't

And that's true. I don't think they will just because the eminent domain issue is still very hot and heavy with a lot of constituents and yeah, I I don't I think it's um it's an election year and I don't think anything will go in my opinion.

So what do you want to talk about?

Okay. So I put some drafting notes in also. Um so if we go to page 10 then that is the first deadline. So most of the edits I did were just cleanup changes to tie the draft more clearly into land use. And the and this one is the noise testing. So this one I revised to require one baseline ambient noise study before construction and one post startup compliance test. um after that then additional testing would only be triggered by a complaint expansion violation or other reason to investigate. So I think at one time we had um some discussion as to what how do we know where it went what their full capacity is um and other reasons to investigate. there might have just been some um not quite good language to, you know, to follow some rules on. Um so I just kind of tightened up that whole section. um kind of the same but on a side note is is there anybody right now pushing for one in Jackson County?

Um you've gone to both of the um lunch and learns that the chamber has held and they've both been super informative. The first one was mostly just a education as to what are data centers and um it explained how much electricity use they use and how much water they use and um the um oh the Mac I don't think I think it was the Makoka energy do you know his name um he was on the panel presenting and said that currently that Makoka doesn't have enough electricity to provide

Makoka or Makoka Nevada. It was Makoka. Yeah, Makoka's got a BTA with um I can't think where they are and I don't think they got it built in. They don't have built in enough to to do one themselves, right? Yes. And um so then the second one was Josh Bolt, the um city administrator for Makoka and he also gave a great presentation um and said that they often get calls. Well, they used to get calls and the Makoka Electric Corp would get calls. Is that what it is? Makoka electric. MME. Yes.

Okay. So, and they would get calls and then by the time he got back to him saying, "We don't really have the electricity." Then they're not interested. Um, but Josh was like, "We're not entertaining any offers right now." And also, he's like, "I don't expect even any to come to Jackson County, but we do not have any offers right now and no applications or I haven't heard of anything." Um but yeah, Josh doesn't think our area is um would be well received by any centers.

Belle's got their own electric company as well. Have are have they been I mean have they been contacted or do they have the power?

I don't know. I am meeting Thursday, this Thursday with um the city, the Jackson County city clerks. Um the ECIA, Mara, the ECIA is putting she gets together with the city clerks often and she invited me and Elizabeth to go. Um I can definitely ask if I I know Teresa will be there. I I mean I'm just curious because I think all the rest of the towns like Preston, Andrew, they're all on the Coconut Valley, correct?

Joint injections. not what I understand at all.

Um what I was trying to uh President uh uh most municipals have a uh like Makoga have a PPA power purchase agreement with somebody else and I was just trying to remember if Belleview was a part of SIKA. SIMCA is a conglomeration of small municipals that act like a co-op and it's part of it's one of the 13 groups that owns a share of CIPCO and I can't remember if Bel is a part of Same or not and if that's the case they would be getting their power from CIPCO and that would be a possibility but I don't think there's any wiggle room at this point that they could get power.

Okay. But I don't know that for a fact. But most most municipals have a purchase power agreement with somebody and so it's to meet their own needs and they wouldn't have enough power to put in any kind of a dash network. And is Cascade then not with what's that? Cascade is not with the code.

Uh Cascad's proposed data center which is on hold now um is actually in a is in Makoka Valley Electrics territory. Cascade as a again is not served by Makoka Valley specifically, but just like Makoka here, the there's areas that are considered part of the city now that are still that were outside of the city limits when the um region or the regions were set up. So, you know, we do serve them. So, Oh, so the so the data center out by the water tower is on Hole and Cascade. Correct. I had not heard that.

I had not either. So, what they're doing right now, I'm following the data. Bitcoin things. Well, what the what the deal is is it was originally set up for Bitcoin and they are exploring the possibilities of making that a data center and it's on hold for now while they explore that possibility. And I don't know if that will be possible. I don't I just don't know. But they but Bitcoin, you know, with the fall in the price of Bitcoin, the dynamic of uh, you know, all these Bitcoin centers out there is a whole different thing now than it was, you know, even a year ago. Yeah. It's about half of what it mean. It's dropped a lot.

It's dropped a lot. I don't know the exact I don't know the percentage or anything, but it's dropped a lot. And that's it's the the the what is what is it saying? The blushes off the rose or whatever. So, yeah, it doesn't look so good now. And you know what? I I don't follow Bitcoin. And the only reason I know that is because one of the true crime podcasts I listen to, they've been talking about the Nancy Guthrie case and how one Bitcoin is now worth like $63,000. Yeah. When when she was first abducted was at 80,000. Yeah. That's the only reason that I know that's down. Yeah. Right. Well, it's good to know you're listening to True Crime,

right? So, one of the things do you guys read the Telegraph here? One of the things almost at every single one that comes up because they're in was they've been having meetings in Wisconsin and all even Manchester have one. I'm not sure. Yeah, Manchester's got one. Yeah. Going too. The big thing seems to be the water shortage. Well, but most of the big sites now are not water cool. Right. That's what I thought.

They're they're like uh it's it's like a radiator in a car with a solution in there that gets circulated through the fans and so it's a closed system. It's not an open system. So my point is apparently not everybody is doing that because that has been mentioned in all of those like as a major concern. Yeah. a payload. The one in po um for uh that one too was that they were originally dealing with the county and now they're dealing with the city of PO. That one apparently is supposed to be water cooled and there's some concern with that. Major m Yeah, major major concerns with that

and that's going to be you're talking about the actual data center that's going to get built there. Yeah, that's right. And again, that's that actual data center. And you know, the big difference is a Bitcoin facility is set up to have the option to shut down when power is is expensive, right?

And a data center needs to run 24/7, you know? So, it needs power all the time. So, or at least that's the way they're set up right now. I don't know what future is going to bring on that. They might have interruptable you know data center sometime in the future they don't know. Um so the drafting note then with the noise testing reporting and corrective action is if we want to require periodic testing then I have drafted some language that we could add um if we wanted to do it every five years. um the facility owner and operating facility to provide an updated noise complaint test at their sole expense. So if we want

is that similar to what we put in the wind turbine one exactly the same almost similar. Yeah. Yeah. that well at first glance I would say well do it when there's a complaint but there is merit to having it the same as a win I I would agree with that as we kind of tried to do we have there is number two there the trust is in place yes y so we're not getting rid Now getting rid of the complaint but this is an addition

in addition to we would have then also the periodic right is it five years on the wind well I was thinking that was three years no I think three years thought I was consistent with three years but then you whatever is so before we move on can we check that to see the same. Yeah, that's what I suggest.

Um and then to keep also then consistency we I the vibration testing reporting incorrective action also um make it parallel to the noise section by requiring one baseline ambient vibration study. Um, and then we could also add the every how many years to make it the same as the wind.

Yeah. Oh, the sensitive area protection is new. Um, I clarified the added language so it applies only outside that hard setback in the area more than 1,000 ft but within 1,320 ft where extra protections could still be required. So we have setbacks of a thousand but then we added the sensitive area protection which looking back on I was like why don't I have this with the setbacks and then I couldn't remember why I used to not have it with setbacks I believe because I put it with a sensitive area protection but we could add that in with the

setback I think it probably should set out of this.

Yeah.

Yes. Sanitary facilities and water supply. Um, this was to make it more land use and to state that we're not overstepping other agencies who should be involved. I do kind of have a problem with the utility capacity verification. Um, and the reason is if somebody is going to do a hookup, obviously the law requires an electrician to do so. And before you connect to a power supply, the it can't be connected until the

state electrical inspector inspects it. I don't think this falls under zoning land use. I I really we're not experts in it and I think this should be taken out because it's really between the utility, the state electrical inspector and the data center. is once we start dictating we're confirming something that we don't know anything about I think it's a problem my opinion

we do agree on things sometimes yeah okay so can it just be a sentence I like well either strike it or part of that last one or something over here I strike it I I would strike it I I don't think it belongs here what that's going to say is only if it is similar language to according to state or federal law those requirements shall govern right something similar to that not I I don't think so because the way I mean that's more of an information thing than anything

I I don't even think we need to put it in there because uh Makoka Valley um Makoka Municipal Electric cannot hook anything up until a state electrical inspector inspects it. Period. That's the law. So why are we saying only as information if somebody picks this up and wants to know what are they supposed to do about that? It could just be a statement that's telling them I don't think it should deal with it. They deal

I don't think silence means that we don't deal with it. I guess I don't think we should put anything in there. I I think that should come out. And yeah, I I really do from everything I've researched, which I should have wrote down in my sources, but they did say it is a land use requirement, but the state electric the state electrical board. So any you have to be a licensed electrician number one. I mean that's been the law. They passed that what maybe five seven maybe 10 years ago.

So and it has any electrical doesn't matter. Business home farm building has to be done that way. It's already there. Yeah. And I know with our house, the Cocoa Electric would not hook up until we could prove to them we had it inspected by the state electrical inspector. So, they're just they're just inspecting what what you built.

No, they're inspecting the they're inspecting the lines that are coming in. So, Everything from where the util from where you start paying is pretty. So from the meter on is what you're they're inspecting. Yes. Because to the meter is your electric service is responsibility. Right. Right. So they don't care. The person that wired your home or whatever doesn't care where you're getting your power from. No. No. They're just they're just guaranteeing that the work they did is up to code. Well,

no, no, no, no. Because the electrical makoka valley would not for anybody will not connect until that and that person said that what we have done is up to code. So, it's it's they're just inspecting the building or the facility or whatever they wired. So they're not going they don't that that inspector doesn't care where you're getting power, whether you're whether you're out there on bicycles around. Well, no. I got a question. I got a question. No, they don't. Are we talking about section 9? Yes. A Yes.

See, I'm reading this totally different than what you are. What I'm looking at is is they're saying the applicant shall provide a load confirmation letter which means that we're asking them to prove that they got the power from a supplier from a supplier locked in locked in. And that's not and so I'm agreeing with you that it's none of our business but for different reasons. Yeah. I yeah that's that's none of our business whether Makopa Valley's got enough electric or Alliant or Mid American right

um or Next Era any of those that's not our you know I mean that's a contract between the data center and the electric provider that's whatever we write here it wouldn't matter because they have a contract and their contract supersedes what we would been in here so for the capacity verification. I don't think that's anything that we should be involved with.

So not even that statement in the in yellow where this is simply a land use requirement that as the applicant show in writing that util that sentence either not something for mention. So, I'm just going to say to you, how did you know where to go to to get information that you had to have a higher up look at it? Your house somewhere. It was in writing that you knew to go do that. We hired an electrician that knew to contact the state inspector when it was ready. And the state inspector came out, did the inspection, and then the electrician called RAC? Well, I don't know where did Jamie call RC and said, "Hey, we've had our inspection." But we had to prove to the RAC that we had an inspection. You knew that you had approved and that's what we're telling these people. They already know that though.

So, what you're saying is this is basically in here. It covers the counties behind and that's to say for when people complain that they don't have the electricity and so it's basically it doesn't it's just a see ya or whatever informationational like well it's not yeah it's not it's kind of like that but not exactly like that it's more of a We're we are looking out for the neighbors that they will still have electricity. But you know what? That's not our job.

Yeah. But I still think we I I'd rather have it there than not have it there. So that when my problem Joe Mo comes along and says, "Oh, well, okay. I don't have any electricity now because you guys pass this data center." When you don't when you don't have electricity, who are you going to call? Are you going to call the supplier? Yeah, you're going to call your supplier. You're not going to call the county. And I think adding more language like this opens up more issues for the county than leading it out because why are we even I mean,

are you seeing this in other drafts? It's in everybody's draft. I I think it's wrong. I think it should come up. Let's see. So what's the reason that they all put it in then? It's data centers are heavy electrical users. But I mean have they not had their drafts or their ordinances looked at by I'll say the county not necessarily the somebody else re reviewing this other than us that they are still being put in there. I would imagine I guess I we don't know that. That's what he's saying. That's why you're saying why who's saying to put it in there or who else has

or why have they? Right. Yeah. Maybe just Okay, Vonica and I agree that it seems like this is not necessary. But if Becca is telling us or telling me anyway that it should be in here for the reasons whatever you want to call it to cover the county I would okay you know I mean it might not serve a great purpose it might not serve a great purpose but if it seems that it serves a purpose I don't want to be the one not put

okay so I'm the one that trust that verify you know that I want to know why people put it in there So, if they've got, is there an attorney that's told them that? That's what I want to know. Or did somebody just come up with this to throw like kitchen sink in? So, let's determine that before we Why don't you do a little research? Yeah. Attorney, everybody has it in, but why do they have it in? Well, just because everybody has it in doesn't mean it's right. Did an attorney look at it or are they just doing it? That's why everybody else is doing it. got to be ready. Yeah. Right. But I will find that out. But that resonates. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah.

If somebody higher up look at it before they pass it and said, "Yes, you need that." Right. Yeah. Or did one county put it in and then somebody else says, "Hey, that looks good, so let's put it in." Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. All the time. If you you know, you would jump over a bridge, you know, if your friend jumped, you jump. So, oh, now you're an old We doing good time. 95. I'm I'm filling out my travel sheet. Yeah. How much money?

I see the closing things happening here. What else we got here?

Three more. Two. We get those done. Yeah, sure. Do the next two. Dairy Queen's closed already.

Oh, darn it. Yeah, the last one will be super easy. So, if we can just get section 11, that'll be a little tougher, the waste management. And that one was just um tightening up some of the language to make it so we weren't overstepping others agencies. Um edit the e-waste. Oh, make it not look like a nuisance. Sounds good. Looks good to me. 11.

I don't know if that 158 is I just have a question about that. Section temporary storage pending removal shall occur within approved structures. Are we giving them 15 days in the approved storage structure or 15 days sitting outside till you got to get it put away and store until you're comfortable with the question? Yeah, we could definitely date that. Do you have a preference? I personally my e-waste container takes longer than 15 days to fill up. I just 15 days seems a little hard to follow. And then also who will

especially if they've got it stored properly. You mean it can be stored in any waste container longer than 15 days is what you're saying? I would think so. Yes. Okay. I I understand what you're saying then. Should we not even put a date in? I would. Yeah. As long as it's in a approved e-waste container. Yeah. If it's stored properly, then I don't have a problem with sifting for a while. Yeah, if they got a pile sitting out in the side here, you know, on the right,

but it says they have to use appropriate containers on. So, yeah. Well, the hazardous so that um the records or um D yeah the documentation where does that come from? Because doesn't the EPA require that information already?

Um I believe so. I'm not sure on e-waste but definitely on hazardous materials. Yeah. Well rules. So I think we better clarify that with the EPA and then if it is an EPA, we need to refer it to the EPA.

Yeah. 11 violation. Um, what if I clarify that also?

And because that's just throwing something in there, there's really nothing to be that matter. I thought we updated the the um violations in the ordinance section. You can just reference that, right? Yeah, we did a we Yeah, we did a we did a um which says that, but it's best to state it.

Yeah. Um, and then just the addition of the scenic byway and visual resource considerations. So, I like that. Yeah. Going hand in hand then with the wind energy. Good idea to put that in there. The legislation kind of made me think,

yes, let's just keep adding stuff. got through my hot spot. So, number 11 is any other business staff. Becca, you have some paintings. Um, we will have the next zoning commission meeting unless we continue the trend of every other off. I don't think let's pray to God we don't have a snowstorm.

I agree. Um, and that will be where to um May 18th 700 p.m. At this time we have no cases but we won't have cases. No, we have until Thursday for um applications. There are no applications at this time, but we will just have the data. We're going to interact.

Uh next item is whether I have any public comment. Anyone wishing to speak? We do have this comment se anybody online at all. Nobody. Okay. I'll entertain a motion to journ. All in favor? I oppose. Thank you. We're journ. Thanks for doing this again. You're welcome.