Planning and Development Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. This is the um August 5th, 2025 meeting of the City of Ithaca Planning and Development Board. Um the meeting is called to order at 6:03 p.m. Uh let's go around and have introductions. Jenny Jenny Scliffe, board member, Elizabeth Goden, board member and vice chair. Max Feifer, board member, Nikki Sarah, environmental and landscape planner and staff to the board. Emily Patrina, chair of the board.

Um, for those with us in person tonight, we have emergency exits at the front of the room and the rear where you entered. In case of an emergency evacuation, we are to take one of two exits um and wait at the trees on the same side of the street on South Kauga and D Green Street. We do not cross Green unless absolutely necessary. Those with restricted mobility in the event of emergencies, it is best to move to one of the stairwells and first responders will arrive to aid you. In the event of other emergencies, you'll be notified at that time. We want everyone to be aware of their surroundings and offer to help when it is not to your own detriment as you are your own best advocate. Women's restrooms are located on the first and third floors. Men's restrooms on the second and fourth. Um, are there any changes to the agenda tonight?

There are not. I just wanted you to be aware that the subdivision you'll be voting on the seeker with the site plan review. So, there won't be an action there. And the only other thing is it's also included now in the narrative of the resolution and in the thief that there's a subdivision. So, that is all.

Great. Thank you. Um, okay. We have approval of minutes from May 27th and June 24th. Um, can I have a motion? Let's see. Motion to open a discussion. Uh, Jenny moves. Elizabeth seconds. Any discussion on those minutes, changes, questions? Okay, seeing none, um, let's do a show of hands for um, approving those both of those minutes. Do we do them separately together? They could be together.

Okay. Um, so the May 27th and the June 24th meetings, all in favor? That's unanimous. And now we will open public comments. Uh, this is a time for the public to speak about any item for which there's not a public hearing and we have no public hearings tonight. Um, anyone online? Anyone in the audience? No, I only see applicants. Okay, then we will skip that section. Um, and we'll move into reviewing our projects. First project tonight is a subdivision review of the W's edge and you can come on up. This is at 6833rd Street and we are going to look at the subdivision first um and then move into site plan review for the W's Edge next. Hi.

Great. Good evening everyone. I'll wait for my esteemed colleagues to join me online. And I think we've got Crystal Ross and Jacob von Mechau from WHDM Planning and Design and then Eric Colbear with Eric Colbear and Associates and I will let them take it away.

Thanks Ian. Good evening everyone. Nice to see everyone again. With this month's submission, our focus was to address all of the outstanding seeker items for the proposed project at W's Edge. So this month you'll find in the submission material we have updated the project narrative to address any of those outstanding items. And then additionally we've submitted an updated set of technical drawings for site plan review. Our goal was and is this evening to demonstrate that the proposed project will result in no expected significant adverse impacts on the environment. We hope that after the presentation that we can address any questions uh or remaining questions pertaining to the seeker specifically. So let me pull up our presentation for everybody. Can everybody see that? Yes, we can.

Perfect. All right. So, for the agenda tonight, as mentioned, the subdivision, we'll take a look at the updates regarding the uh simplification that we made to that. We'll then look at the site plan and just one minor modification to that. And then we'll take a look at the exterior materials package and the site lighting package as well. So, first things first, I'm going to pass the torch to Jacob to talk you through the subdivision changes.

Yeah. So uh what you see on the screen is the existing two parcels um that make up the project site. Um as you can see parcel A is sort of this uh sliver uh along the the bank that is uh undevelopable. Um where parcel B is the majority of the site. Um so in looking at um some of the changes that have taken place in terms of um the overall ownership structure of the proposed development um and the partnerships um we've tried to simplify the previous uh subdivision proposal which which had I think we shared a sketch that showed about five independent parcels that would make up the um the the buildout. In this revised uh scenario, we're just looking at two parcels, right? So, there's the parcel A, which is just under 4 acres, and parcel B, which is just over 4 acres. Um these would be essentially lining up with you know parcel A being the the current phase of development um with parcel B not being developed um to the extent uh that it is limited by the the fire access. Uh we've reviewed these with city staff uh and they've confirmed that these meet the zoning and code requirements um for subdivision uh because it is just two parcels. It's a minor subdivision, I believe, as opposed to a major subdivision, which is what we were looking at previously. Um, and we've uh resolved some of the access issues by maintaining uh 20 foot shared uh easements uh between these parcels and extending out to Third

Street. Uh in yellow are the required setbacks from the property lines. Um so we have front yard setbacks facing uh Third Street. We have a sideyard setback along the shared property line with the farmers market. We have 20 foot rear yard setbacks along the um the edge with the water um measured from the top of bank. Uh there's a I believe it's a 15t front yard setback between the two parcels and that's considered a front yard because of the shared access uh between as opposed to a sideyard. Um, and then we have a five- foot sideyard setbacks on the uh eastern edge of the property with the um that slip of property that's owned by Cornell. Uh so, as I mentioned, this has been reviewed by city staff and we've gotten the the go-ahhead in terms of a code uh standpoint. These are um legal and actionable um and we're sharing them. Uh we we reviewed them at the uh staff meeting earlier this month and or so this is um Nikki shared a little bit about process in terms of including these um as a as an action the process. Anything you'd like to add, Crystal or Nikki?

No, I think you did a great job, Jacob. Um, is there any questions on the subdivision part before we move into the site plan review or site plan? Go ahead, Elizabeth. Are the easement agreements fully executed at this point? No, we'll have to work. They are not. Um, we I think we're having trouble hearing Jacob. Okay. Can everyone hear me? Okay. Yes, we can hear you, Crystal.

Okay. Um the easements have not been worked out yet. We'll work through that um further down the process. Right now, the parcels are owned by the same um entity and so that process is something we'll have to work through. Okay. Any other questions from board members? Seeing none. Okay. Okay. I just have a process um issue that does need to be notorized. So, you do need toize it. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Yep. And we'll we'll formalize the plat. We just wanted to make sure um what we were proposing was good and we could move forward with that. So, we'll finalize all the loose ends with you, Nikki.

Perfect. Yeah, I agree. I think this is um tidy, straightforward, no questions uh on my end either. So go ahead, continue uh with your presentation.

Great. Thank you. So as mentioned um we do only have one minor site plan adjustment this month and that really was to respond to a comment we received back in June um regarding this path to the north here of the access drive to the plaza. And so we have shifted that to allow enough space that the pedestrians can um exit and work their way around the vehicular part of the plaza space. So just making sure we're eliminating any pedestrian or vehicular um complex there. Um, we just wanted to note too that in this month's submission, I mentioned that we submitted the updated technical drawings and in that you'll see our inclusion of all of the improvements for the northern parcel um, and that we've previously been showing to you on this rendered site plan. And so there's approximately 0.85 85 acres of the 4 and 1/2 acre parcel, northern parcel that will be developed for circulation, parking and green space in support of the proposed project on the southern parcel. The remaining private property is proposed to rem remain protected with this northern part of the existing DOT fence to remain um as shown. We're going to look now at some of the more design elements. So, I'll pass it along first to Eric to talk through some of these materials for the exterior facade.

Good evening, Madam Chairperson and members of the board. I'm Eric Cobar with Eric Cobar and Associates Architects, and we're very happy to be involved in uh helping out with the design for this project. Um, so as Crystal mentioned, we're just uh trying to share with you uh some of the materials that we've been looking at. Um, in terms of the roof, uh, we our plan is to use a standing same metal roof that will, uh, be harmonious with the wood siding. Um, and the wood siding is, uh, thermally modified wood. um in keeping with you know the the building having as much wood as possible um it's in a way um helping us to create a kind of a a carbon capture in that sense the glass um we normally and what we're showing here would be it's a very effective glass in terms of um the value of heat exchange but at the same time we want it to be as clear as possible so We're showing an actual sample of um what we're intending to use. Uh the color of the wood is uh shown as accurately as possible in the in the drawing. And then the windows themselves were intending to have a dark bronze color. So that would not only be for the residential windows, but also um you know any commercial uses that we would have on the ground floor would probably have um aluminum storefront. So, we would match a color with that. And then in addition to that, uh we're showing the the guard rails would be black, but then the metal panels that make up the base of the building that's in the these little setback areas where the balconies are would be again a kind of a dark bronze uh cord corrugated metal. So, those are really the main materials that

we're thinking about for this project at this time. Um, thank you. Thanks, Eric. Um Ian does have a small sample of the metal panel too with him this evening. If you would like to take a look at that, um he's got that there for you all. Moving into the site lighting, we have on the screen now the proposed building exterior light fixtures. We've got the wall luminere, the recessed wall luminere, and the down lit luminere that'll be in the canopy areas. So, these are kind of um you know, strategically placed along the perimeter of the building to help illuminate the the paths that surround the building as well as um you know, accentuate entrances to both residential, retail, and parking spaces. for the parking areas and the entrance drive. We'll have a continuous family of this bigga uh pole top area light. And that'll be at about a 25 ft mounting height um throughout the uh throughout the space um with a little bit of a change in height along the entrance drive to accommodate more of a pedestrian scale fixture. So, we're working through uh fine-tuning that design in terms of the right scale for that. In the um approach in the plaza area to uh the north of the southwest building, we're trying to kind of emphasize this area as being a special area and you know u really um emphasizing kind of that pedestrian experience. And so we're looking to do a more specialty fixture from landscape forms. And then at the end of the plaza space, we are looking to do this multi- head fixture similar in style um to kind of accent the the view of the space as you're kind of

moving towards the waterfront. Additionally in that area we do and have been showing ballards to kind of protect the vehicular and pedestrian interface and intermix between that will be these lit ballards to provide additional kind of ambient lighting and um illumination along that uh critical edge. And then along the path in kind of um between the waterfront trail and the building facade, we are looking to just doing some really simple accent lighting um creating kind of that ambient feeling for folks. So we've got these ballers and then additionally some small wall packs and step lights um to kind of help with that and the um egress lighting as well. And that's all that we have for you this evening. And so, like I said before, we're happy to answer any questions the board may have in particularly um around the seeker items this evening.

Great. Thank you. So, let's uh go around and see if there's questions or comments on the presentation and after that we'll dive into the seeker. Jenny, sure.

Yeah, I don't have anything specific sort of thanks for rethinking the sidewalk. Um I think that would be great and I thought that the tall light fixtures were pretty neat. Um, I guess I am perhaps curious from across the inlet. Are those folks gonna feel like they're looking at a shopping mall with a lot of lights? Is that inevitable? I don't know. I guess I'm just curious. Like, it's nice to see the types of lights, but it's hard to know like the volume of lights. Like, what's the right amount where you want it to feel lit and safe, but you don't want people who like live across the way to feel like they're looking at like a parking lot.

Absolutely. And so we actually included the light fixtures last month when we did the renderings, Jenny. So I'd be happy to pull those up if you want, but um the buildings actually do a good or building along the western edge of the inlet provide a good block to all of the fixtures in the parking lot, right? Because they're only 25 ft tall. Uh the building will be substantially higher than that. So really the only fixtures they'll really see are those accent ones. And we're making sure we're, you know, designing it so it feels the right amount, right? Not like this beacon that's glowing from afar, but really kind of, you know, special to the site as opposed to intruding it.

Also, I think that in keeping with dark skies principles, the fixtures we've chosen are aimed downward so that you're not going to get a lot of uh spillover light from the size of the two other sites. Yep. Thank you. Anything else? No, sounds good. Thank you. Okay, Elizabeth. Good evening. Thank you for your presentation. Um, I don't think I have anything major to add. Thank you, Max.

Thanks. Things are looking really good. I think I like the lighting accents, especially along the path, and that'll be really uh attractive at night, I think, for people that go on an evening walk or stroll. So, that I think is really nice. Uh, one thing that we had talked about before was uh to that we wanted to get a sense of how the wood siding would age and um can you say a little bit more about that or is that coming down the road that you'll share a little bit more uh about that uh material and how it will um evolve over time. Crystal, I know that um there was an exhibit where we showed the kind of grang effect that we're anticipating. Um if we don't have it tonight, we can certainly bring it uh at the end of the month.

Yep. It was actually shown last month. Um and we included with that some real life photos that Arnet had put up on their building as well to do our own kind of experiment in terms of how that would weather Max. Um, so I'm happy to circulate that again for your convenience to kind of see what that looks like. Yeah, thanks for doing that. I I just don't recall having seen that, but maybe uh my memory failing. So, thanks. Well, we have the opportunity to see you in the same month. So, we'll look again hopefully for the second time next time. Um, I also have nothing to add. Thank you for the presentation. I think the lighting is lovely. Um, so do you have anything to add, Nikki?

I do not. Okay, then let's take a look um at the FIFA part three. We have an action tonight uh potential secret determination. So now is the time if anybody has questions um things to add, things to take away, um edits, this would be the time. Um it is a long one and we are down to I think only one yellow highlighted spot. Um, and it is a question. So, I'm I'm going to run through it on my own. Um, I'll just say the headings assuming everyone has read it. And if you have anything in that area, speak up. Okay. Impact on land. Uh, impact on geological features. We have none. Impact on surface water. impact on groundwater. I think all of these we're kind of breezing through it. We've we've covered a lot of this information. Um impact on flooding, impact on air, plants and animals, agricultural resources. Um assuming you'll shout at me if you have any questions. um impact on aesthetic resources. I have a couple just quick little edits, Nikki. Um so this is page 10, proposed conditions. The end of the first sentence and and then impacts and mitigations. Third bullet down. Uh the plaza the north side of the southwest building is flexible space that can be used for deliveries. There's four just two edits. Um I do want to

I have four. What was the other one? I'm sorry. uh under the first the first line of proposed conditions at the end of the first sentence and proposed conditions above. Sorry. Yeah, you don't like I don't like sorry to be picky but

um okay. Um so question for the rest of the board on the first impact and mitigation in this section. um which reads, "Applicants propose approximately 1,000 square feet of micro retail commercial space along the Kaigga Waterfront Trail with many accessways including ramps and stairs connecting the public and private realms activating the first floor along the trail." Um my question was activating the first floor along the trail. I think all of that is true. Um curious if we agree on that statement that it's activated if we want to qualify how activated it is. Jenny, which can you point me to? So, it's um Yes, it's on page 10.

Rereading the flooding. Oh, no. It's on page 10. It's under impacts on aesthetic resources. The first bullet point under impacts and mitigations. So, I mean, this is a leading question. All along I've thought that a thousand square feet of retail doesn't significantly activate the trail. It provides some activation. So, I just want to pose the question to all of you if if this wording works. I mean, is this I guess is this where we're getting our final is this our chance to air our final word on what we No, I think we still talk this through. We talked this through in site plan review still. Okay.

Um so, it's not it's not the final piece. I just want to make sure this document reflects what we've talked about and sort of our feelings on it. Yes. I would revise it to say partially activates. Okay, I agree with that, Max. Yeah, I like that amendment. Okay, Jenny, good for me. Partially activates. Partially activates. Okay. Um if we move on to impacts on historic and archaeological resources. Um then we have impacts on open space and recreation.

I have a question. So this seeker um is actually for both partials, right? For um the segmentation. Yeah, it's for the segmentation. Sorry. Further segmentation and the subdivision. Okay.

Um Okay. Impact on critical environmental areas. Impact on transportation. We spent a lot of time on this one. So I have a question. Um page 14, the first paragraph. Um we talked about this um there would be a phase one post study TIS to determine whether the third street needs to be widened. So my question is if the applicant has agreed that that study is made um available to the city is that assumed?

Yes. First paragraph on page 14 up top. That's what that would be first. So the po that post study TIS that that's shared with the city, right? That's shared with the city. Okay. Yes. And that would be for Yes. Whether it needs whitened. Yep. And New Zealand engineering. Yeah. In Right. In in the event that we proceed with an additional project on the property, then yes, absolutely. We've got to study the transportation impacts and you'll get copies of those. Any questions or comments on transportation? We spent many meetings on that

on is this is yeah oh no this is back sorry back to open space and recreation. I'm just noticed I noticed here you know 24 plus months of construction and possible closure. Are you guys working is there an opportunity to work to like reroute the waterfront trail through there for people who use it as like a common transportation thoroughfare? Yeah, we we wrote about that in the narrative that we we expect disruption to the trail to be quite minimal given that we're doing no improvements to the water side of the trail. So, it's likely just things like the connection of the water line, for example, that may result in a temporary much shorter closure of that and we'd work with engineering to do any required detours.

Sounds great. Sorry, I didn't read the fold.

No worries. It's a lot of material. And Jenny, just to add, we could put that as a condition on the yeah preliminary and final site plan review. Okay, moving on to impacts on energy and then noise, odor, and light. uh human health and this all seems consistent with what we've all talked about um consistency with community plans. So here's our only highlighted area and this has to do with the undeveloped parcel to the north. So, we should I think pause here and go around and talk about expectations for how everyone feels in relation to seeker versus site plan review because when we spoke with Adam and and Ian last time, this can be a continued conversation through site plan or we can unpack it now and talk about it in Seeker. So um

when you say it, you mean um the uh I guess what are our expectations for parcel B? Right. So the applicant in in this submission and in the presentation is proposing to fence off parcel B and kind of keep it as is. Um and I know we have gone around and talked about how that's we would like to see something different happen on that parcel. So is that something that we want to incorporate into the seeker or do we continue on as a discussion into site plan review? So site plan review and subdivision review because it hasn't been approved yet either. So yeah. So there was some if I can. Sure. Yes please. Um

there was some mention um a little earlier that that uh there was be some development parcel B that would be supportive of the parcel A project. But it was it it wasn't very uh fleshed out and I wonder if there's more details about what you are proposing there or or or not at this point.

Sure. It it's all included on that rendered site plan that Crystal had put on the screen. I mean, it's a combination of circulation, the public parking for the project that we had proposed, and then that kind of more, I'll call it naturally shaped walkway and the green space that's going to replace what is the current large maintenance building on the property. So in total those are about85 acres of that parcel that are planned for improvement. But the remainder of that parcel which is currently behind a fence will remain behind a fence is what we're proposing.

Yeah. I wasn't completely clear to me that that was what came out of parcel B. So I just didn't get that. Yeah. Thank you.

Go ahead. I have a question for Nikki. So since the beginning of this project when we were thinking about subdividing it, I think the overarching issue that everyone kept emphasizing was that we would not um be in agreement with um fencing that area off. And so I think that point has been missed to date. And I wanted to know from the applicants if there's a reason why um you're still proposing that chain link fence around it.

So the chain link fence currently exists right and I think we've spoken in past meetings about some of the difficulties uh that we see related to trying to make interim improvements to that parcel. One of them which we discussed previously was the preervious versus impervious calculation and how DEEC if we were to make that impervious would then after a period of 5 years consider that to be basically a green field from a redevelopment perspective. So there are risks like that. There are also risks from an insurance perspective, right? To open that up and to allow public access for recreational purposes with nothing revenue generating on that parcel is just a dramatic increase in insurance premiums if the carrier is willing to to take that for example.

So I feel like the pvious versus impervious issue can be resolved. you just leave what's pvious as pvious and what's impervious as impervious. Um, and what I'm hearing is that the reason you're leaving the chain link up is an insurance issue because there's no revenue being being um generated from that parcel. Is that correct?

So, it is an insurance and risk issue. Correct. And what I'm saying is what you would effectuate in opening it up is a dramatic increase in your insurance premiums, right? But there's no corresponding business that's going to operate in that particular parcel that would offset. Would it be possible? I understand. Um yeah, would it be possible to quantify that risk and um additional cost um for our site plan review? I think this is something that will significantly um help push this along.

Sure, we can work on that in advance at the next meeting. To your original question, Emily, are there c can you lay out any major or Nikki pros and cons on addressing this now or addressing it as part of site plan review? because I I will say for my piece like I do I want to understand better once you get the fire lane access what you're suggesting you know a little bit down the line of like what that piece could look like later because I think as we've talked a lot about like there are a lot of other pieces that we would like to see I think as a planning board and thinking about the city of Ithaca as a whole as part of the waterfront access and so I think where my concern is that like this piece looks now looks beautiful and the pieces that you're bringing and the even the micro it looks you know it looks beautiful but I think as we see this other parcel also developed I I do want to retain some of those more communitydriven components to the next parcel and so if we approve this as is and we don't ever get the chance to actually have a bite at the the apple again and we've like kind of given given in perhaps for a lack of a better word on some of these like community components of this that will feel really frustrating to But if we're, you know, able to negotiate on those things further, then like I'm fine with moving the seeker forward now, but I guess I don't quite understand procedurally the pros and cons.

Yeah. No, good question. Um, and I don't know if I'll explain pros and cons fully, but it's whether you want to treat this as a seeker issue, which technically, I mean, Adam when he was here thought it was more of a site plan review and subdivision review issue. Um, but it's up to you as a board whether it is or not. Um, there's not I mean, if you pass, if you were to determine a NEG deck, you still have teeth. You have not approved the site plan or the subdivision as of yet if you wanted to negotiate what that parcel might look like in the interim. So, you still have the prelim preliminary and the final.

Okay. Then I'm fine with moving the secret forward. I agree with you. I mean Ian at the last meeting at the end you said well what's the impact of leaving it is what it is it will be what it is now so where's the impact and I you know have thought about that a lot and I I tend to agree since we do have still the votes of site plan review coming up um and we've talked about it tonight so you know it's still an issue and it's not going to go away but I I also would be fine moving seeker forward tonight um and removing it from that section. So, but if you feel differently, we can continue to talk. Go ahead, Elizabeth.

So, I guess what I'm anxious about is that it that there's this focus on um creating revenue and I don't think that it is consistent with community plans to privatize this area completely. And um since we have accepted a partially um activated storefront and parking in the in the lower level of the development, I would think that most of this other parcel would be for community involvement or something. And so just fencing it off feels like we've given up on that goal for community um plans and I'm afraid that that'll lock us in if we will um issue the NEG deck at this point. So

why why do you think it locks us in? You don't think it does? It does not lock you in. It's still a site plan review issue. It's still a subdivision review issue. So you do not have to give prelimin preliminary if you don't want to, right? And you want to come up with a negotiation with the applicant of I don't know along the waterfront. There's some space that's community. I mean it's up to you guys to come up with that. So if it's a site plan review and not a seeker issue, why is it listed? I put it there in yellow because it could be. It's up to you guys.

What I'm talking about is the consistency with community plan. Yes, I put it there as a just a thing to talk about because I know it's been something that you wanted to and whether it you feel like it is a seeker issue or whether you want to continue it at all in sight plan review and subdivision review. I mean, I guess either I guess what I'd ask for is some sort of note or indication that this is what we're looking for and that we're making concessions that we did not originally plan on making. I mean, this project has changed quite a bit since its um original proposal. So I would like to see something

plan review issue like to say that concessions that's not an impact on land etc. But you could say if you want to put something there Elizabeth I totally would be you know like there will be further discussion in site plan review about what happens with that north parcel. I could definitely see that being put in there if that makes sense. I agree with that too.

If you want to put does that make sense Elizabeth or would you want to see some other kind of verbiage? because having an undeveloped parcel is not consistent with city plans, right? So, I think it's reasonable to put language in there that it's unresolved. It's not a large impact, but it will be discussed, further, negotiated, and say plan review. That's what I would propose anyway. What do you think, Max?

I'm in favor of um considering this as a uh in uh further with site plan review. Um I would say that I feel pretty strongly that we need to have a a extended uh discussion about this. Um, I felt like a couple of meetings ago, you know, we had really thrown out some ideas and some ways of possibly coming to some kind of a compromise solution that would uh address the community accessibility and and uh and even enhance the project, you know, parcel a development. And that seems to kind of we've lost that completely. And that that I don't think is good. And I would really like to take that up strongly in the site plan review. Uh, I'm I'm okay with moving ahead with the seeker approval, but but I want to emphasize that we really have to come back to this.

And I'm sorry, Elizabeth. I was saying I think that if we put that language in, it wouldn't be right. But if you don't want to if you wanted to include it in secret, that is up to you guys. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know like putting the concessions language in the language would be you talk about a further insight plan review, but if you don't feel comfortable with this, that is up to completely up to you all. No, that makes sense. You know what I I didn't want to pressure you. I just want to make sure that the applicant understands that that is not a, you know, that's not something that we're going to let go of lightly, right? Having it sort of punted out of the seeker is not really a green light that what's proposed right now is what we will approve finally.

Yep. I agree with that. Okay. The other thing I'm worried about is then um they will push forward the site plan review for partial A and they'll get started with what they want and then partial B would remain unresolved. Well, then we cannot vote on A until we see some ideas for B. Until we see something that's moving in plan review is for it's segmented, right? But it's for the whole thing and so is subdivision. So voting on site final site plan review for both at the same time. Yes. Like for the interim right now. That's

right. That's what I was going to propose that we do not approve the development of A until we're in agreement with the development of interim development of B. I agree with that too. Do you want me to put verbiage in there as to this? Yeah. Do you have some language that will work for tonight? Um, no. I can look back said but unresolved um issue of parcel B development um does go against community plans of leaving something vacant.

This topic will be discussed further in site plan review. Do you want me to say will be resolved in site plan review? Yeah resolution plan review. Well, it sounds like they're together, but yes, agree. Okay, I'll put that in consistency with community plans. Are you comfortable? Yeah, I think that makes sense. Thank you, Nikki. Thank you.

Uh, okay. Any other thoughts on consistency with community plans? We have land use goal one, economic development goal six. Um actually would like to propose a change in verbiage for economic development goal six. Um tourism will will remain a vital component of the city and regional economy. The project provides public amenities such as micro retail stores and ramps and seating along the waterfront trail that will draw more tourism to the waterfront. I think I would just cut off that will draw more tourism to the waterfront. Um, yes, it provides public amenities and we can list those amenities, but I don't think a thousand square feet is drawing tourism. And

I agree with you, Emily. It'll be a great thing if people come by. I don't think it's going to draw people. Okay. So, we'll keep that exactly the same. Remove the end from that will draw on. Okay. Got it. Thank you. um consistent with C with community character is our last second here. Any thoughts on that?

It's definitely truncated, but we talked so much before. I'm I am looking at natural resource goal four and it's I mean I don't know if just the answer doesn't really align like all members of the community will have access to the waterfront and then the answer is talking about the 200 units who live there who will have access to the waterfront and that's not all members of the community. So I'm not disagreeing that this project won't still allow for members of the community to have access to the waterfront but the answer just doesn't really align with the prompt. Can you tell me what page? Um 19, natural resource goal number four. Oh, we were so close and I went all the way back.

It just reads, "All members of the community will have access to the waterfront." And then the answer is, "As this proposed project is built along the waterfront, all the residences within the 200 units will have direct access to the waterfront." I mean, it's I would omit the word all. Well, I can't. That's the natural resource goal. Oh, we can't. But you can say additionally. Additionally, the proposed project is built along the waterfront and residences. Yeah, I mean maybe a little bit pedantic. No, no, it's this is our last shot at it. Okay. Additionally, um instead of as this proposed project is built along the waterfront, all of the residences

I would just put additionally at the beginning, I guess. Well, no, I was gonna say or you could add on will have direct access to the waterfront while visiting members either indirect or whatever word you want to use, they still have access. I put it at the end. Yeah. Additionally, community will have access. Even say this project preserves community access to the waterfront, right? Perfect. Thank you. So, this project preserves community access to the water park. That sounds great. You can even say preserves and enhances. Yeah,

because it is like it's enhancing what is there. Perfect. I'll put that instead. Thank you. Okay. So, I hate to do this, but the second to last sentence um doesn't feel right on consistency with community plans. The wood materiality. No. No. As a result of this information, the lead agency has determined that the project is consistent with community plans. Is anticipated

is anticipated out Okay, great. Um, well, that's the end of the FIFA. Um, I think we fleshed it out. Do we feel comfortable voting on it tonight? Seeing head shaking. Okay. Um, I don't think I moved it before we started talking. Can I have a motion to um to open the NG deck resolution? Um Elizabeth moves. Jenny seconds. We just discussed a lot. Um any further

comments. So you can discuss. We discussed the feed. Okay. Um, and you'll see I should point out that you'll see something different in this seeker resolution compared to other ones because it lays out the segmentation and that was also in the FE. Um, any questions or amendments to the resolution? I'm seeing none. Okay, let's do a roll call vote on this. Um, all in favor favor of a neg deck or the W's edge beef part three. I think you want to go around, right? Yeah. Roll call. Um, Jenny,

yes. Elizabeth, are there any conditions here that we're gonna We have to do. No conditions on deck. Okay. You want to pause? We can go back to the thief. No, that's fine. I'll come back. You can Okay, Max. Yes, I am also a Yes. Come back to Elizabeth.

Yes. Okay. So, you have yourself a negative declaration of environmental significance. Um, and we will I think there's nothing else to do tonight, right? Is this It's still mixed income. It says here 40 mixed income residential units. Is that still the case? Even though I think isn't it? It is not. I will change that. Good catch.

Will contain 40 residential units. Okay. It's just a type, so we're good. Okay. Um, any final thoughts? That's all we had to get through tonight. No, I I want to thank everyone for their comments. I also want to assure you that we hear you when it comes to your desires for that northern parcel and the fact that there haven't been changes that we have presented in design does not mean that the design team are not working on things that we are excited to present in forthcoming meetings. So,

we look forward to wrapping Seeker Up, which hopefully we've done, and moving on to talking exclusively about design upcoming. Thanks, Ian. That makes me feel a lot better. Thank you all. Thank you. And thanks to the team. Thank you. You everybody have a good evening.

Okay, thank you everyone for sitting through that. Next up, we have 2011 Oak A. I don't think people have caught grammatical mistakes before, so that was that was fantastic. I'm sorry. No, I know it. I spent a lot of time really reading it before the meeting. You'd be in trouble. You did. Well, I'm impressed. It's going to be Yeah. Looks Hello everybody. Um, tonight we're looking at a presentation. We're going to review the seeker design. Um, review community character community plans. We have a potential secret determination tonight and potential preliminary site plan approval. So, I will let you guys take it away.

Good evening everybody. Um, I think our presentation is fairly short this evening. Um, we've been trying to be as responsible or responsive as possible and I don't think we have too much more to respond to. So, um, you know, obviously we'll keep it short because hopefully our goal is to get through seeker and um, get through preliminary this evening. So, The thief is always the painstaking part. We want to get it right though. So, thank you.

All right. Um, so, uh, start with our presentation. So, yeah, a few items. Um, the SWIP and the construction plan, uh, we've gone over with the city. Uh, Marathon has, um, both, uh, both have gotten the green light from the city. Uh we met with uh Lynn and Tim Log about the construction plan. Um and the SWIP has gotten the green light from Scott Gibson. Um sidewalks. Uh we heard your request uh for the sidewalks to not be across the loading zone. Um so our renderings will show it running along the building um as as an option for the sidewalk. Uh and you guys can see what you think about that. Um there were also some minor landscaping comments. Uh so we try to pick those up in the renderings as well. Um and then also the design review uh came up as part of a seeker. So uh we tried to fill out that form as best we could and send that in to help with part three. Um, so I will let's see just uh we submitted Marathon's updated drawings to just kind of cover uh some of the stuff that they picked up as far as the SWIP and the planting plan um and the um and then what also what they submitted. Hold on to it. Also what they submitted for the construction plan that was presented to uh Lynn and Tim. Um, so that was all submitted as part of the package. Just want to make sure everybody was on the same page. Uh, as far as the sidewalk, uh, what we've done is, uh, come off the main entrance, um, with a sidewalk, curved in towards the building, uh, ran it along the building around the loading zone, and then back down and around, uh, to try and connect up with the Oak A sidewalk uh, down at the corner. Um, and so we'll

show you some renderings of what that looks like. Um, we also, um, increased I think we had a couple shrubs at the entry, so we increased those to two small trees. Um, and then you can see the sidewalk coming along the building and then going down to the corner. Um, another view of the same thing. And then as we sort of progress down Summit A, you can see how it comes around and connects up with the Oak A sidewalk. And so that's what we have. And I think um there was also a comment I think from Lisa about shade tree uh at the corner. So we introduced one of the typical street trees um as part of the planting plan. Um and then I think from there it was just the design form. Yep. It's just the design form to kind of answer any questions, fill in the any blanks as far as part three.

Okay, great. Let's start with you, Jenny, with questions or I don't think I have anything. I think this looks great. You guys have been super responsive to some of our feedback and I think a lot of the tweaks that we made, especially some of the ones from the last meeting are really wonderful and looks like a great building. Thank you, Elizabeth. I agree. really hate going before Elizabeth because I'm always like, "Looks great." And then she's like, "I have lots of thoughts." Max, that sidewalk turned out really good. I think Thanks for working with us on that. That I think that will work pretty well. Thanks.

So, does it work? Is it angled or is that just the rendering? Is it Is it ADA compliant? It looks just I know it's probably the rendering. So, it's something we're actually in the process of coordinating with Marathon and trying to work out some grades. I we I think we may end up having to flatten it out at the building and and drop a couple steps to make that work. It's it's architect versus civil engineer. There's some connection to happen, but we were trying to get some visual together for you guys just to um you know, I think it feels right though.

Um and I think it'll look even better with a couple steps teared down. Excellent. Thank you for um yeah, making that happen. I think everybody's happy about that. I have nothing else to add either. I think it's a great building. Um okay, let's do this again. Um we have a thief part three to talk about. Let me get to it shorter. And I think this one is also wrapped up pretty nicely. Um I think the vibe I it's off.

Um one question about vibration monitoring that was still on your computer and on your Zoom. Oh sorry Christian you have it over there. I'm

so sorry. What happened? Thank you. You were getting it. It probably is not going testing. Thank you, Sam. I was about to shut everything down. Pull the plug. Um, okay. I was going to ask about vibration monitoring plan. Um, do you where does that stand for the neighboring buildings based on the foundation? I think there was a recommendation from the city engineer that had one.

There was a recommendation from the subservice investigation that they got. And so I put in if this is I'll tell you what I put in the FIF um, and we talked about it, Craig. I put in the FIF. Applicants will provide documentation from licensed engineer to city staff as to whether a vibration monitoring plan is a necessity and will provide such plan if it is determined to be necessary. That's correct.

Okay. Perfect. And okay. Um any other comments or questions? Should we just run through each se section like we did the last one? Okay. Uh impact on land, impact on geological features, surface water and groundwater, impact on flooding, uh impact on air, impact on plants and animals, impact on agricultural resources, impact on aesthetic resources. And on page four, this is where we have our only highlight. Um if we want to list some feedback on design review.

Yeah. And this is if you if you all wanted to there are the um ones above how they met the guidelines. So you know whether you feel that's enough whether you want to add your own comments too. I feel like the the what's included seems fine. I mean, it's also like this is a residential building and a residential area. So, a lot of the college town guidelines around like retail and commercial space, I think, don't really apply. So, I don't know that we need to address them,

right? But there's still a lot of guidelines that apply to residential. Um, we do have the college guidelines if you need them. We printed them out for you all, but I think the key ones for me are already listed. The first where it continues the public sidewalks um and then engaging the first floor and along the street the streetscape at the plaza.

Yeah, that sounds good. Max and Elizabeth any design um sort of features mitigations to add? I believe it meets the guidelines. Okay. Impact on historical and archaeological resources, impact on open space and recreation. Impact on critical environmental. Yes.

Yeah. So that one. So all it says about Cascadilla George is this is located within 200 feet of the site. I mean should there be some kind of qualification or or some indication that this is not going to harm um escodel in any way? I mean obviously won't but shouldn't that be noted somehow? Sure. because it is an important resource in natural resour and as such this project right and as such this project will have no to minimal impact something like that I think that should

thank you I see what you're saying just kind of left off

yeah this assume But yes, it's good to write it out. Uh impact on transportation. Thank you for the updated um construction staging plan and routing. Impact impact on energy, impact on noise, odor, and light. Impact on human health. consistency with community plans and consistency with community character. I think this one is very well baked, finished. I'm wondering, you know, we've had a lot of discussions around signs lately and I wonder if we want to put things in here like when there are applicants that don't have a lot of signs

that we support it and we love it. Yeah. That we support it and we love it. I'm like sort I I'm sort of serious like you know it's like I don't really maybe that's community character. I don't know if that's worth Well they have they haven't done a sign permit yet so we don't know what the Okay. So you guys might we support the non-branding of this of this building. I don't know that. Yeah. Well you want to have it as an impact if it's in the seeker determination. It has to be like an impact. So you could say it's Yeah. Yeah. You could say not having Well, you could say something like not having

highly illuminated signs under the noise. You could noise, light, and you could say having non-illuminated signs in this residential area. Something like to that effect helps with them, you know, to have no impact on the I don't know. Is this is like the juice worth the squeeze on this? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Creative telling them is Yes. That would come back. Okay. Is a good discussion to have. I think it is. I don't know that it's worth putting in the secret though.

Um Okay, great. I got a thumbs up from Max. Okay. So, let's um let's open discussion. Let's move this proposed res resolution for the NG deck. Can I have a motion to open? Um Jenny moves. Elizabeth seconds. Any comments on this N deck resolution? I have none. Okay, let's do a roll call vote. Um, I am a yes. Max, yes. Elizabeth, yes. Jenny, yes.

Okay, you have a negative declaration of environmental significance. Um, tonight we are also looking at potential preliminary site plan approval. Does everyone feel comfortable voting on that tonight? Okay. So, let's have a motion on this um blue preliminary approval resolution. Elizabeth moves Jenny seconds. This one has a lot of conditions, so let's take our time. I had the license engineer, but that was covered already, right? The report from the license engineers.

That could definitely go on as a condition. I think that's a good idea. Okay. Yeah. Then we have it both in the feeds and in the resolution. And I will say anything we don't catch we can put in the final. But I think that's a great Okay. idea. So I can just take that exact verbiage. Yeah. Directly out of the Okay. If that's okay with everyone and we probably need to vote on that change once you if you have any more changes. Yeah. Um I don't think we should include it since this is prolific. Oh, it's right here. Just kidding. I I thought I had it. I thought I maybe missed it. It is there. Thankfully, I'm more thorough than I thought. Number 13.

So, I think we should circle back on the final approval resolution about the sidewalk. Just make sure that that's been run by um engineering. Yes. And I think they all have to be I it usually is a condition that all sidewalks have to be that'll fall under that. Okay. Yeah. Right there. Number four. Perfect. Okay. All streetscape. Um good. Let's do a roll call vote on this. Jenny, yes. Elizabeth, yes. Yes. I am also a yes. There you go. Preliminary site plan approval. Um, anything? Yeah.

Any of these items something you want for final approval or they fall as Yes. Nice. Good question. These will go on to the final approval resolution and they'll be organized under before building permit is issued before Yes. And if you've met some of them like I know you've given me your Yep. So we can take that off too but I mean so if it's on there and you've done it it's fine but yeah I just want to make sure not by next Yeah. Not by next planning board. Oh yeah. No, that's a good question for them. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. No, I don't have anything else that we need to see.

That would be a good thing to tell them though what you would want to see for the final approval if there is anything else like a punch list of you want to see the sidewalk at this next. Yeah, we'll see an update on the sidewalk. Okay, that's actually the only thing that I have. Yeah, great projects. All right, thank you guys. Yes, thank you for all the help so much guiding us to

Yeah, it's just decorative which you know I didn't love the way the building looked so we needed an affordable way to spruce it up a little bit. So an Amish fence was the ticket. Okay, thank you. Thank you everybody.

Thank you. Okay, next we're moving on to 215 College A. Tonight we're looking at um design presentation and also reviewing the seeker um design review community character and historic significance. Yeah, I think Nick was going to try to join virtually. So,

all right. Good evening. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi. So, um I think Nick is maybe joining later, but we can go ahead get it started. Um if everyone is ready. Yes, go ahead.

All right. Well, thank you everyone for the opportunity again for this presentation. So, following up on the last SPR meeting, there were a lot of conversation, you know, around the streetscape design along the nin app. Since then, our design team has been looking at a few different ways to approach it and we're hoping to get your feedback today to help guide our direction moving forward. Um, I would start sharing my screen. Um, we'll quickly start from uh recapping what had presented last week, last month. Um, okay. All right. Go ahead, Jack. Well, um, actually, if if if you don't mind, Annie, could you go to the existing conditions sheet?

Yes. Um and if you So this is what is there currently. Um the upper the photo in the upper right hand shows uh that the from the from the sidewalk along Lyndon there's a grassy slope down to an existing retaining wall and then there's the the uh flat surface area there. If you zoom into the plan, um the the topography is basically Lynon is sloping up from 721 to about 723 at the upper part. The slope uh is about a three-foot drop from 721 down to 718 at the top of the wall. And then the flat area down there is between 7:15 and 716. And then the the floor elevation of the apartment at this lower level is at 710. So that just kind of gives you the the kind of the elevations of the existing condition. Uh, and so, um, as you look at the options, if you go to the one that we started out with, which was a what I will loosely call the terracing option, which creates a series of stepped terraces uh, off of Lyndon where we have a little bit of slope and then a flat terrace and then it drops down again and and we have the flat decorative rock and and uh, a sort of zen and garden kind of uh uh terrace. Uh and then we have the area well to the windows which creates basically about a three and a half foot uh wall in in two different steps as you're coming down. And then over by the entrance to the

building, it's flat equal to the sidewalk and sort of there's a slight slope up to the unit. Uh so so that was the original design and uh I I do want to point out that that as the as as this lower terrace wrapped around the corner, we had a uh we replaced an existing retaining wall that was the same size and height as as as what's there currently next to our neighbor to the south. So, so that was the original design and the idea was to create the terracing effect which makes a little bit uh shallower um area well for the for the for the unit in the lower level. Um if you we've looked at two more options uh that u look at a different way of resolving this maybe in a simpler way um and at the same time uh we wanted to show you uh those options which related I think to some of your questions and some of your design suggestions. So do you want to go to option number two Annie? Okay. One of the things that that was a kind of a direct relationship was to extend a I mean we have a quite a sizable setback here further back from the street than our neighbors. Um and and so if we have that setback and I think some of the suggestions was why can't that be much like just a front yard. So, so that was the approach we took which is if you look at it it's a a uh the um London does still you know slopes up from 21 to 20 23 uh and so uh at the same time we sloped

the uh front yard setback at in in in that same manner. And so uh so it's basically a a green front yard and then we have some plantings along the sidewalk um that uh and and then it's gently slopes down and then we have the area well for the windows to the to the units. Uh I think this provides a front yard appearance to the building. Uh it does impact the uh the the area wells. The wall uh of the area well goes from about three and a half feet to if you could enlarge that Annie I think it's close to uh 6'8. Uh so we add another three almost four feet at least three feet to the depth of the area well. That's the impact. Um and so so that concept um was I think what was t talked about. Uh we'd like to show you a a a third option. Uh and and this option takes the the concept of the current uh sloped grass area and just simply continues that as it is today. uh opens up the lower level at the same elevation as we originally had for the area well and and creates much more of a grassy slope and then a smaller sort of uh terrace that's about six feet wide if I if I recall and it just diminishes that lower area so it becomes less of a feature and more of just a simple wider area well for the unit. So, um that's our three options and we we have some

more uh drawings to show kind of how the geometry works. This compares the three and I'll just stop there for a second so you can take a peek. Um and and then here this is the 3D version of it. Clearly, uh our third option is kind of a compromise between the first and the second. uh but it does give us more uh um direct open window access for the lower unit in option three. If if you look at the sections for the um for the three options, you can kind of see um how we've tried to to simplify option three uh to create more of a grassy slope. It's not flat, but it's a grassy slope much like what's there today. So if you go on to some of the other exhibits, uh this is from the other direction section showing um kind of the the the three options. Clearly, the third option is is a simpler grassy slope, simpler kind of light well, but the verticality is is is more impactive uh more substantial as far as daylighting the lower units than in option two or in option one. Next slide, please.

Just the elevations. Yes. Which which is similar to which is the same as what we've seen seen in the past. Correct. So, u these elevations are a repeat of what we presented at our last session. Correct. Uh, and so I I think at that point rather than continue, we would look to your comments and thoughts and and and and advice with regards to where we're at with the the um um the Lynen Avenue uh front yard design treatment for the residential entrance off of Lynon.

Thank you. This is wonderful to see these three options. Um, can you before I turn it over to the rest of the board, can you talk to us a little bit about where you would need guard rails? Um, I think we understand them around the light well in option two. the the only um uh if you look at these sections um the um the handrail that shown in option three um would be needed uh because the sidewalk is right adjacent to the um the lower uh walkway area. I think that um I don't know, Annie, do you think that if we increase the width of that planting bed and and were able to raise that planting bed maybe six inches above the entry sidewalk and fully planted that that would allow us to eliminate the the railing there? Do you think that's true?

I think that you're referring to right here. Yes. I this is mainly for the guard rail for the height difference from here to there. So yeah, but but if we developed a planter, you know, a planting bed between the sidewalk and that area, would would that then still require the railing? I think it is the the drop difference from like the lowest point to the entry that might be Yeah. once that is more than 30 and we need to provide a guardrail. So, all right. Yeah,

we we have used planting beds as a barrier in the past. So, but anyway, yes, that's the only railing that we see as being required. Okay, I'm going to be a little bit pedantic because we've had other projects where um we had like surprise railings in the end. So, what about in the situation where there's this the wall to the south to the neighboring property? Um, in any of these three scenarios, would that need a railing? I'm I this is not to say that it's bad. I just want to be aware for the board where where they are and where they're not. That's an interesting question. Um, there isn't a railing there now.

Correct. And um I think um um I guess if if there is a a if if it results in a height, I mean our goal would would be to uh to have as few railings as possible. So if we can, you know, uh slope that part of our property or or um adjust the wall height accordingly, our goal would be not to have a railing. But but if it's above the the the height of the railing uh above above the requirement for a railing as far as height, then we would have to do that. But that would be true in all three schemes.

So then that that's fair. um it's on your radar and let's let's talk about each of the schemes and then if we can help guide you towards one of them, we can circle back to this at a later meeting and and sort of pin down on that final scheme where the railings will be. Um Max, can I start with you on on thoughts on these three options?

Well, I I really uh agree with you, Emily. It's nice to have the options and I I think you put a lot of thought into kind of trying to address some of the issues that we've raised. Um, I I have some preferences, but I before I um reveal those, I would like to know a little bit. Um, which of these three kind of is most consistent with the front yards of the other properties in the area? Which one is the least uh disruptive?

Well, I I think the house to the south has very little front yard. Uh I I I haven't measured it, but I know it's pretty substantially less than what our building is set back. I don't know is is there a way to go to uh to Google Earth and look at that or or aerial Penny? Um and you did mention that your your setback is is more than the other buildings nearby. Yes. Yes. Substantially more. Um I don't I don't think the building to the south is compliant is kind of the point.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh so the disruptive thing is was just one question I had. Well, excu excuse me. I think I may have an answer for you. If if you look at our three options kind of um if you look at the three of them compared I you know the the plans Sorry, one sec. Here. Yeah, here. So, I think what you see as the most projected area is the porch and then where that notch is back, I believe that's the house. So, it's it's quite close to the street. Yeah.

To the sidewalk. Well, so I I like that, you know, all of those options because you have such a setback creates kind of a, you know, nice space in that kind of uh crowded street really. I I think um I I um I like the hybrid version number three a lot. Uh I think, you know, one of the concerns I think Jenny was raising about the light in the downstairs, right? That you know, that kind of addresses that a little bit. Although they've all convinced me that really that's like an No, it's a for for residents. So, I promise to get off my high horse a little bit about dark basement unit apartments,

but it does but that that one does give it, you know, kind of more light and so forth. I think I I I kind of uh like that one. And it it in some ways I I like the elegance of just the slope that you have there that just makes it a little more Annie, can can you pull up this the section sheet that shows the three of them? Yeah. Yeah, just just as a reference to your comments about option three. Yeah.

So, I I I think that that's attractive and I I think um I I like the terrorist one at the very beginning, but I realize people had concerns about that. I I think the the hybrid is is um definitely of those three is the one that uh addresses most of the concerns that we've raised. But I I'll just stop there. Thank you, Elizabeth.

Thanks for the presentation. These are really helpful, excellent um renderings and um sections. As far as the three options, um I'm torn. I do not I did not like or agree with the first option. Um, I feel like as far as the community character and experience on the sidewalk that option two works the best. Um, but I may be able to be convinced on option three, though I dislike the terrace and I feel like you may end up having to put another guard rail at the existing retaining wall. So, that will not be very aesthetically pleasing in my opinion. I'm curious, is that like um on option three, is that like an additional tiny retaining wall kind of in there?

That's what I just zoomed in on mine as well. That's zoom in on that. Yeah. Yes, there there is a a retaining wall similar to exactly the one that's there currently. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And so, Elizabeth, you think that there's going to have to be a railing on that retaining wall? I don't believe so because it's not accessible. What also like could I jump in real quick on the retaining wall? Sorry, I was trying to connect earlier, but

yeah. So, that particular retaining wall will be less than 30 in. So, no no guard rail would be required for that one. And same with option one, it would not require guardrails. Option two though, the window well will require a guardrail, right? That's way too deep. So, and that's so that's something to keep in mind. Option two would Well, in addition to the darker light issue, it's also the extension of the guard rail. Okay. Um, Noah, I'm gonna ask you a question. Um, do we ever use a planter uh that's fully planted with with u you know reasonably

Yeah, I think as a buff think in option three for example on the bottom of this the in between that that retaining wall we could plant a hedge that's a you know because it's not an accessible space. It's not part of a exit pathway or anything like that. So technically a a planted, you know, hedge would, especially if we don't need a retaining wall or sorry, a guardrail, but if it, for example, if it ended up having to be a three-ft wall instead of a 2 and 1/2t wall, we might need a guardrail, but we could handle it with vegetation as well. But we

But I'm pretty confident we can make that one 30 inches. But we couldn't do that same thing at the entry sidewalk by creating a separation between the wall and the sidewalk of let's say three feet and then having hedge vegetation there. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I think the idea that that walkway to the main entrance, that guardrail, we could just start that at the point where 30-in drop is, but I think it's also a little awkward. There may, like you're saying, we could do it with vegetation or just some other way to sort of transition so the guardrail is not like projecting all the way to the main sidewalk. There can be a little transition there. Right. Right. Where those shrubs are in the rendering,

right? That that's kind of my point. Yeah. Yes, we can deal with that in some way. For sure. So, Noah, just to make sure I'm understanding, um, the existing retaining wall, you're saying depending on the height of that, you might also be able to put additional vegetation there so that it isn't just Yeah. I I mean, we we're calling it the existing retaining wall. It's not really I mean it's in the same location and generally but in our version this newer version it'll be lower than the existing so it won't require a guardrail right and you could but that whole slope could be planted it could be a vegetated plant planting there

okay okay and then um the other one that I wanted to could you go to the picture Annie thank you so much for moving these things around yeah that one this one okay seven yeah

so then the existing what we're calling the existing retaining wall that like runs to the corner and then back up along the building kind of in the picture. It's like the left. Yeah. Okay. I just kind of wanted to zoom in and take a look at that. Sorry, I don't have my own computer tonight. Um I mean I I think I I well one I really want to appreciate I have really appreciated in this process throughout our different projects with you all that whenever we kind of get to this point you guys like pull out a couple of options and then bring them to us to reflect. Um, I found that like super helpful and so I really just wanted to kind of acknowledge and appreciate that. Um, and I I really I think number three seems like an an you know elegant me in the middle. I think it doesn't kind of create that same separation that you saw in number one. I think that number two, you know, I really think that is just like I think that's far far too dark for a basement level apartment. even people who want want to be in that and then having the guard rails on top of that I think is like an additional um piece. So I in some ways I sort of feel like option three is is really the best outcome for what seems like a tricky geological site. Um

I will pass to Emily who might completely disagree with me.

I completely agree with you. Um, I think these the 3D images you've shown help us to understand the constraints on the south side a lot better. Um, and I think everything Jenny said, it's meat in the middle. It gives more back to the sidewalk and the pedestrian, which is what I was worried about, and it still provides reasonable light without um the guardrail to the the basement apartment. So, I am super happy with option three, provided there's no guardrail on that existing retaining wall. Um, Elizabeth, I can't remember what your Were you Torren? Did you have a a final opinion?

I I would like our um building department to review the three before giving my opinion.

That's fair. So, I think it's safe to say that that if the guard rails work out and if the elevations work out, there is a majority of opinion that three is the way to proceed. Um, certainly it's not final, but hopefully that's helpful. Um, do you have other parts of the presentation now that we've kind of talked through the Lynen Avenue avenue side? Uh just real quickly we have presented um this uh quickly on the PRC meeting. Uh I know that previously the last conversation we had there was some concern about like the outside trash enclosure. Um so we h since like revised the design and put the trash into the building itself so they would no longer be outside and there's not going to be like smell or sight issue. So just want to give everyone a quick updates here. So that was on College A to the north of the public terrace. What's there now instead?

Sorry, it was Yeah, it was right here. Previously, the building had a little bit more set back here. Um I think it was more like that. And now, you know, we just kind of revise the building outline here. We'll put a trash room and um the trash will be rolled out to the to the street. So, will that be gated? Is that closed to the public or is that kind of an open um egress path also? There will be an egress path also. Correct. Okay. Is there is there restricted access at any point along there? We've never really talked about this sort of alleyway back there. Maybe you could describe it a little bit more.

Um no, there will be not there will not be any restrict access because of the egress path here. Uh so we just open air. Sorry. But but Annie, couldn't we have because I I would, you know, I mean, so so long as the egress path is continuous, yes,

we could put a gate um somewhere near the end of the building so that the public couldn't get back into this area because there's there's unit windows. So I I think we would want to have some kind of an of a exiting gate at the end of this pathway that would restrict people from coming in but not going out. Yes, we could do that. We have a curb right here. Stop at this point going beyond this um this point um right here. Yeah, we just want to keep people from accessing those unit windows. Correct. So, so you could put the gate there. I guess that's fine, too.

Sorry. Yeah, we currently have a have a curb here. There's a different height here. So, um they would not be able to pass this point. Okay. All right. Okay. Great. Yep. I think that's all we have today. Um great. Then I think we can take a look at the seeker. Thank you for the presentation.

Um sorry before um we did wanted to send in the uh the vibration monitoring information but we didn't have you know didn't get to send it today. But we do want to mention that we have a um geotechnical engineering gauge who analys structure and improvements and determine what monitoring is needed. um and we will likely contract with CME or another qualified firm to provide a vibration monitor um services. This work will likely be limited to the phase where we install any shoring or extend have a rock hammering during the project. Um and in addition to that the logistic plan portion that civil drawing included staging logistic plan uh which includes all the relev uh relevant information with the exception of the crane logistics plan. We're finalizing where we are going to use a large track crane or a tower crane and that will allow us to finalize, you know, the crane placements. But either way, we expect to have a staging zone in front of the site on College Avenue, which will be where we pick either scenario and we will coordinate with the city um regarding the needs for temporary street or sidewalk um sidewalk closure um as well as working with them on the fire department for what the final plan would look like. Just want to mention that before. Yep. Thank you. Um that all sounds good. As you get information and you can send it forward, we'll incorporate it. Um sounds like it's all in progress. We'll we will I think before we uh make a final secret determination, we will need the staging plan, right? So that

absolutely because it's on college a can't wait to there's a bunch of other construction happening in and around there. Um, okay. So, since we're not voting on this tonight, um, Annie just addressed two of our three highlighted areas. Do you want to walk us through the other It's really just design review or any other

Yeah, you were. So, you were supposed to turn in a design review, so we're going to need that as soon as possible. There's a worksheet that you do that says how you answer all the guidelines. Um, because we were supposed to go over that. The board was at the meeting. Um, so as soon as you can get that to us, that would be great. Um, as well, I don't know if you have this, Sam might know more, but for the variances, you have to say why you need the variances and give us the the reasoning and the mitigation for the variances that you're seeking.

That was provided. Okay. Excellent. Just kidding. Yeah. Thanks, Sam. Is there anything else that you want to point out? drilling. Okay. The subsurface. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Okay. So, we are almost there then with the seeker. Um Annie, I'm sorry. Sorry. I can send you that design review if you need it. The worksheet to Thank you. Appreciate it. See you guys. Yep. Any other board members um have questions or comments about any secret? Oh, okay. This is getting very close. Um, okay. Anything else from the team?

Um, we are on the agenda to see the BCA the first week of September. So, I think in order for them to vote, we would need to close Seeker, right? So, it's just those three things, the design review, staging and construction plan, and the drilling info. Yep. Okay, great. Yep. And I I think also, I mean, this can be site plan review, but I keep seeing those bike racks on public land. It'd be great if they could go in private like we'd mentioned and Lyndon doesn't have any street trees or any kind of streetscapes. So, if you could do that, that would be excellent. Great. Um, okay. So, I think we're on track to make a determination at our next meeting, the second meeting in August.

Perfect. Okay. Thank you, Jack and Annie. And thank you. See you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. You appreciate it. Bye. Bye. Good evening. You too. Okay, next up we're looking at INHS West State Street Apartments. Um, tonight we're looking at a presentation and a potential seeker determination.

I will a little show and tell. Love it. I'm sharing your screen. Yeah. Um that was a good that's perfect. So you just make sure that your laptop muted. Yeah, absolutely. And then also that the microphone as well. Yes. But microphone.

Yes. Think we're all good. Yeah. of this one. Thanks. Okay. It's nice to see you in person, Bear. I brought some physical samples. Yep. Uh I brought some physical samples to do a little show and tell. Um so, uh I'll turn it over to Steve Litz to kind of review like uh some of the like secret items and then I'll review some of the architectural components and Sounds good. We'll go from there. Good evening. Can everyone hear me? Yes, we can. Hi.

Thanks for taking time to include us in presentation. Uh, I'll do a really quick presentation through some of the information that we have and then I'll hand it back to to um bear to go over some of the architectural updates and materials. Move it to a reference shoot on the screen. Is this screen visible? Not yet. There. Okay. Um getting there. Okay. Now we can see your screen.

Great. Um and this is all the information that was uh within the package that was shared. Um so um just want to start with the sort of overall site plan as it exists right now. Um the the overall plan of the building hasn't changed too much. Um we've been doing some modifications and adjustments as it relates to the site and I could talk to those and bear could talk a little bit about the um changes associated with architecture and building. Um we still have um the main frontage happening on West Sage Street. Um there is a sloped walkway that's less than 5% that comes from the eastern side that goes and offers accessible access to the first floor residential um space. There's a connected walkway that runs continuous over to the childcare entrance is over um towards the western edge and then there's stairs that access back down to the public sidewalk. We had a very fruitful meeting with the town, the city's um forester um to review the existing trees on the site um earlier we had had some conversations with um well over construction as it relates to potential construction staging. um in support of the building. Um after reviewing on site with the forester, it was determined that the trees that are existing right there currently have sort of reached their capacity of lifespan as it relates to urban trees in the area and um would actually benefit from a selection of preferred trees which have been recommended by her um to replace those trees. Um so they've the the current plan is to have those existing trees be removed um as as directed and approved by her and um coming in with a

preferred planting in that area along State Street. Um there is a very nice large tree at the corner um of Geneva Street and West Street that's going to be uh be maintained as well as a couple larger maple trees that are abuing the property to the south um which are going to stay. Um there's a smaller sapling cherry tree over on the western edge along Alb Street. Um if you recall there's some power lines that run above this area. So, they're looking to have a proper selection of trees in an area that will impact um that utility that's running above. Um there's an existing maple tree that's below that power line now that's been sort of split in two through maintenance and um that sort of repeating conflict is not desired there. So, we're looking to um take her direction to have new trees match that cherry tree um typology that's happening along that street. Um, as far as the site goes, um, we still have the oneway entry and drop off that happens under um the the building itself. If you recall, uh, as you go above this first floor, the second floor extends out to this this column line that's running along here. And this is all under the building. And you can see that better in the elevations. We've been playing back and forth as to the best location of the uh trash maintenance and pickup that is now located over on the western side of the building. Um moved further away from primary accesses and entries to the building and also further away from the uh allocated space for outdoor childc care play. Um, so that would be accessed um through this location here. And there's actually an enclosure that begins to screen and hide um those storage bins

while they're um not being um transported out. Um access is uh maintained and protected with this space. There is a um gate and enclosure that blocks off um human access into this space. There is a um there's going to be a a vehicular gate at both of the entries and exits of the of the drive aisle and then an enclosure that goes around um the outside of the building to provide safety for the location. Um I think

as far as the site plan goes, we do have bike parking that's provided undercover as well as visitor parking um that is out um more accessible to the public. Um we do have outdoor seating um that's within the property line um adjacent to the slope sidewalk with space for um accessible um partnering partnering next to that area there. So if someone is disabled and needs to have um seating next to that, that's that's available there. All the seating has that offset to allow for that that movement um sort of 5 foot diameter circle space for wheelchair access as um as appropriate for the uh the population and also HCR directed um support. Um I think that's it as far as outdoor site changes. Is there anything else, Bear, that you

Yeah. Uh I'm just going to jump in here real quick, Steve, while we're on slide. Uh so, as as discussed previously, we do have those bumpouts on the front porch element. So, obviously, it's working as both circulation, but we're really trying to achieve like a a commercial uh porch aesthetic. And so, we did provide bumpouts at each of those entries to provide some uh uh seated or gathering opportunities um along with just helping with circulation. Uh, one other area to note is on the east side. Um, we did change the configuration of that, um, exit on that side. Previously, it was discharging right out to the sidewalk. And upon further review, there is a that little square that you see there, that is a gas vault. And so, the stairs were kind of landing on top of that, which wasn't really an ideal condition. Uh so and also there's been discussions about like Gatabout or other uh entities for like pickup and drop off. So we thought it would be uh more beneficial to turn those stairs provide a similar porch aesthetic that we're doing on the upper levels for the circulation there. So um hopefully you view it as a positive move like we did. Um uh that's all I had to add on this one, Steve.

Yep, that's great. Um, I'll move on to the architecture and I'll hand it back to you. Um, speaking.

Yeah, I'll go ahead and Oh, always hopping in between these different entities of where to share. There it is. All right, no worries. Um, I'll just share my screen. Um, is everyone Nope. Not seeing my screen yet. Try again. Did I not hit the button? Sure.

There we go. One extra button. All righty. Um, so I'm going to run through the floor plans pretty quick. Uh, there's no major uh changes really here. Um, everything that you're seeing on the uh left or right hand side is serving the residential portion. Community room is still in the corner with the uh maintenance office, support office, and leasing. So, we're trying to engage the uh uh street fronts as much as we possibly can with uh uh activity throughout the day. Then on the daycare side, we of course have the uh classrooms that are going along the front to again try to engage as much as we can. On the upper floors, uh these are all single uh bedroom uh units. And you'll notice like just looking at a typical one, they're going to be quite uh spacious for for the size of an affordable unit. and they have quite a robust amount of natural light which is something that we think is very beneficial um for uh senior housing. And one of the features that we're really excited about is the community balconies that are down at the end that occurs at every single level um providing some outdoor opportunity there. And one of the other things, and this is just me, but uh we do have the laundry tucked to the exterior as well on the south side. So, especially during the winter, that could be a nice little warm spot to go get some sunlight and h have that uh that um ASMR hum. But, uh then moving on to finishes. So, we presented these last time. As you can kind of see, we have a number of different profiles that are going on. Um I'll just kind of show and tell real quick. So, they just interlock. They have a bunch of different variety of uh Yep. Absolutely. Be careful. do have sharp edges. Um, but so that provides uh you'll notice that we're using like

seven of these different types of panels to kind of pull them all together to create a randomness across the front. Um, this also is the three primary colors that are being used for the metal portion and those are all occurring at the upper levels of the building. at the lower levels of the building. Both from a flood plane standpoint and a durability and community context standpoint, we are going with a good old traditional terracotta red color brick. And in terms of pre-cast, we're just going to go with this uh nice little one up here in the corner, the keystone to provide some context to Oh, can I move this? There we go. Thank you. to provide some context to where some of these materials are going.

Sorry, Bear. Where does the Keystone precap?

So, that's that's going to be at like uh window sills and such on the ground level floor. Um so, and also you'll notice that there's that common uh water band that's running across uh uh most of the bottom facade. And so, uh just kind of perusing real quick. So down at the base you're going to get that nice brick. We are going to do a little bit of corbling of the brick um at the below the water course level to create some texture with the vegetation. And then uh the brick transitions up. There will be either a canopy or a black band that's going to go around the exterior to break up the base floor from the upper levels. And then from there we'll see that it transitions into that Spartan brown color. uh on the uh smaller mass and then we're going with that regal white on the larger mass. That one will have an accent of a um a terrac uh terracotta red color uh for the metal panel. And then the other side will just be the regal white as well to try to keep that um profile tone down. As we previously mentioned, we're still excited about having the um mural and the stairwell. And I must apologize, I forgot to put in the box my fiber cement sample for the stairs. Um, but that is going to get painted over. Um, we're choosing to go with the fiber cement in that particular area to help u uh hold on to the mural as long as possible. It's a good substrate to be able to paint on. Um, it will be a higher quality uh fiber cement than like your traditional Hardy board that tends to be a little too um uh le less cement and more fiber in that situation. So, it breaks down a little bit more. Um we're looking at either like uh equatone or like a nijiha uh panel in terms of density there.

Um and then uh just a couple other edits. Um, and just wanted to kind of give some full disclosure that as we laid out the units and we're trying to configure out where things go and making sure the windows rationalize, we we only had a small area on the back where we were going to need to remove the windows um for the corner units just given the orientation of them because we turned those units. They're almost identical to all the others, but they're turned to face towards the street. So there's good windows facing out that way and just missing that little bit uh on the back. So that's the only only reduction that we think from the previous design. And that is all I have for the architectural portion of the presentation. Um Steve, is there any other items that we wanted to present on before uh before we turn over to the board? Um I think the I we can we can wait to address those once we go through the thief um items to make sure those are covered correctly. But um I think there was a couple items sort of as clarification about passive house and we provided a narrative

within the document to give some more information about that directive to the building. I don't know if you want to add anything about that. Yeah, I'll I'll do a quick uh one minute explanation of passive house and how we're applying it. Um passive house really focuses on uh energy efficiency more so than like other sustainability areas. It still includes a lot of those practices, but specifically towards energy efficiency. So for example, our roof, we're targeting an average R60 on the roof. State code is a 33 when this code gets updated. Um, so we're almost doubling what the requirement is. And I think Truman'sburg uh with the um uh the Village Grove project out there is a really good example of how successful passive house can be locally in the community. Um that building has performed like a gem in terms of like energy efficiency and reducing the electric bills. This will be an all-electric building with the exception of the generator. Um because generators um but uh so yeah and then in terms of so the envelope itself super highly energy efficient windows obviously we have a tremendous amount of glazing. So we are going with triple pane glaze uh windows at this moment. Um, and we're trying to be very strategic about uh using the correct type of glazing to allow solar heat gain where it makes sense and trying to reject it where it doesn't make sense. Um, I'm trying to think of some other key things. Mechanical systems, it's going to be heat pumps. Pretty pretty typical and standard in the area now. Um, I done a really good job being at the forefront of that. Um, I think that's all I got.

Okay. Thank you very much. It's a great presentation. and thank you for the materials. Um, and thank you Steve also for the the plan uh changes and updates so um sorry I lost my agenda here. Um let's go around to the board and talk about any reactions to what we've seen and then like previous projects we'll dive into the seeker. Can I start with you Jenny?

Yeah I mean I think that building looks great. I think I really like all the little sort of sitting areas that you guys have um kind of created for residents, just nice places for them to go and sit and think about the other senior homes in the in the neighborhood and in that neighborhood too where there's often people just kind of sitting outside. So, I think it's great that you sort of thought about that. Um, I did just want to check again, you know, just to make sure we're crystal clear on the child care regs and that you're fine that it's f I mean, Elizabeth planted this, Elizabeth planted the seed that it's fine to have the the play space like not necessarily directly adjacent.

So, so it depend our understanding at this moment is it depends on um the provider and which regulations they're under. Um, so like for instance, like if you have infant care, it's not as much of an issue because you don't have the uh playground requirement. And there's some uh there's some organizations that allow you to like walk to local um uh playgrounds that are within the area as well. Granted, we are providing it on-site, but it it's serves to be that if you can walk to a playground, then you should be able to walk to one on site. So,

yeah. Sorry. Can I just jump in Bear? Um we're we're working right now with um downtown Ithaca Children's Center, DICC. Um and they took a look at the site plan and they didn't think that it presented any issues related to um the licensing for their daycare. Um and the space it addressed their space requirements as well cuz they're looking at it would be two classrooms of 10 toddlers each and then 14 preschoolers. Okay. And is that your intended that DICC is the intended document currently. Yes. Yes. Right now. Great. Thank you, Elizabeth.

Thank you, Mayor and Steve. Um, great presentation. Want to see I really like the uh materials um chosen the um texture, pattern, and interest. Um I'm really glad that you are providing a variety. Um I may have asked this before. Is that thin brick or full brick? We are doing full brick. Uh thin brick is actually more expensive when you look at it as a whole. So, yep. For durability, it just makes sense to go full brick. Agree. Okay. And then this is a silly question, but I didn't see any sinks in your kitchens. Is that on purpose? That is in progress. Okay.

Yep. There'll definitely be sinks. It's not our purview, but you know, I just thought that was an interesting little thing. Um, love the passive house uh comments and uh everything else looks good to me. Thank you, Max.

Well, I don't really have anything to add except that things look really good and and I like those and I think it's really I'm really glad Jenny brought up the point about checking with the child child care provider and interacting there, but seems like you guys are covering all the bases. So, good work. Um, as you unfold the details to us, this just keeps presenting itself as a building that is so well built. Um, the full brick, the corbelling detail that I didn't see until you pointed it out. That's all um going to be wonderful and I think speaks to the historic district nearby. Um, so we are headed towards uh preliminary and final approval next month. So, I just wanted to ask a few questions that you can maybe bring to us. Um the railings on the front are on the state street side are um sort of just a shadow. I would love to know what the material of that is. Um uh I think we need final quantities on the planting schedule though. It sounds like that's in progress with um Genie Grace. Um and then glass samples for the triple pane windows or a picture of it or at least a spec. Is it intended to be clear? I think we want to make sure it's not tinted in a a way we don't expect.

Yes. Uh it will be clear with the only exceptions that we're considering is the banding across the stairs. Um just having that slightly tinted to just kind of accent that. And there is a chance of either um fully opaque or tinted at the bottom here just for being thoughtful of like things getting pushed up towards the windows. Sure. Okay, great. Thank you for that. Um, and then have you seen comments from INHS? ILPC. I'm sorry. You are INHS. Uh, ILPC. Too many acronyms tonight.

That's perfectly fine. Um, Steve, uh, I know you've been trying to um, coordinate that one. Have you Have we received anything on that front? Um, we have we have not received a direct comment. I think um, each time we reached out. We did. It's in the agenda. Oh, great. Never mind. memo's on there and it's in the thief just like the p passive house. It's all in the thief. Perfect.

Okay, so this is kind of a big one. Um they were very supportive of the project and really like the materials and um window sizes and think you know the massing and the setbacks with the front porch idea really fit into the downtown um historical scape. But their comment was on the color of the metal panels. Um they were encouraging a single color for everything instead of the darker and the light. So while that seems like an easy change, I think um it's something that we'll definitely need to see if we're voting on preliminary and final for next time.

And I want to add that it was the dark that it's from Brian. a staff, so it will be voted on with the ILPC, but it's the dark preferably because it's the white that's facing the historic district that is a little he feels and I actually I agreed the whole time that it's a little busy because you have the murals and then you have all these different colors. It's one building so it's okay to have one building because you have such great articulation. But he's saying that that elevation is like a great example of what the whole building would look like. But that elevation was the one he was pointing to as more cohesive. The Is that the west? That's the east. That's the east.

So, correct correct me if I'm wrong. The light side of the building is facing the historic district, but the dark side is not. And they're concerned about the dark material. They like the dark material. They like the dark material. It's Brian. It's the staff that wrote this. So, it's Yeah, it's our historic preservation, but they'll be voting on it, too. And it's a recommendation. It's a Yeah. And I'm saying I I do, too, but I'm not the board either. That's just my opinion as well. But it's either way. It's a So, you don't have to comment on it since you haven't read it tonight, but I think um we should take a close look at, you know, what does it look like if it's all dark for next time just to have the conversation with the full board in anticipation of the the vote.

We we will review with INHS uh to see how they would like to uh comment or address it. The other point they made was wanting is this right? This the west stair tower. Sorry, the west. Yep. a West Air Tower to be brick. Yeah. Instead of fiber panel. Um I will say I disagree with that. Um I I think the mural is a really integral part of this building. So So that's just my personal opinion. So maybe there's some room for compromise in there. Um so that kind of proposes a significant aesthetic change I think which is up to the board to final all of you together. But that's yeah advisory comment.

They're they're recommending this is the I think a preservation the historical okay they're recommending not having a mural not having that second mural on the end. They like the mural actually. It was just would rather it be brick and then maybe a panel of a mural or the whole thing mural still but um as these are advisory comments of course just to be in context with the historic but yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then they'll vote on it. ILPC will vote on it um when they have their next meeting. So, do we know when that is? That is Yes, it's the 19th. It's this month.

So, it'll be before we see you on the 26. Okay. And we do not have a PRC this month, unfortunately. Before we see you again, which would be the perfect time to look at options. Um so, yes, go ahead. So what if we don't agree with not have to with the ILPC's re with the ILC's recommendation?

I if if I'm if I may add um given the our HCR application is due September 11th. Um my immediate concern is that if we attempt to try to show something different and at the next meeting and the board does not agree um we're we're we're setting ourselves up for a potential problem um for funding. Either way, it could be a condition on the final approval of what color. If it's just color, if we're all if you guys are all okay with material, all of that, and it's just color of the metal. Okay.

And and to answer your question, Elizabeth, it's advisory. They're giving you advisory comments and recommendations. I mean, if you read the memo, he's he was very they're very much so like this building looks great. You know, articulation's great. They really like it. Just a suggestion was little busy with the different colors of metals and maybe making that simple. But that's, you know, again, suggestion for you all to take into consideration.

So, can I just ask so you say they vote that they vote on what they want to advise? They're gonna vote on his memo, which I'm gonna assume they're going to say looks great because it's just a memo. Um, and then it's just advisory comments. So, you guys can take them as advisory comments and form your own opinion of what they quote. It's just that they're coming to agreement with him

with the memo because he Yeah, because they could not meet in Sorry, I should give you some background. Thank you, Max. They they did not meet in July. So the staff did a staff recommendation, you know, it's staff review and recommendations and then ILPC will just vote on that memo of what you know if they agree with his review and recommendations. Yep. And they are advisory because this is not in a historic district but adjacent. But you know he if you really if you read the memo he put a lot there's a lot of care in there that says they like the building. So we we we want to be good neighbors.

You can tell. So here's what I would suggest. All the feedback I heard in response to um your presentation before we brought up the INHS memo was this is a great building all seems like green lighting towards preliminary and final. So I think I would encourage all of the board members to just come prepared with an opinion. you know, read the INHS memo more thoroughly um and and you know, study the elevations and we'll come prepared with our own thoughts and opinions and maybe um you know, from the team side, keep this because we've all I think liked this and then if you feel there's another option to present, we can look at it and talk about it and as Nikki said potentially still vote on preliminary and final

but if there are changes to be made with color, we could do that at a later date. That's good. And I think there's a path forward. I want to be sensitive to the funding. So, for example, the Highland the um Highland Avenue that we looked at with the colors, remember for a while we said we want to see the final color before you it'll be a condition a condition on the final site plan. Yeah. Yeah. That that language makes me feel a lot more comfortable. You guys just might say like Elizabeth, we like it as is. So, it's all up to the board. That sound good to everybody on the board? Okay. So with that, why don't we take a look at seeker because that is really the task at hand tonight uh at the thief part three.

So I'll just read the headlines again. Um let's make sure I'm on the right project. We've had a lot tonight. No, I'm not. No, I am. I am. Okay. Uh impact on lands, impact on geological features, impact on surface water, impact on groundwater, impact on flooding, impact on air, impact on plants and animals, impact on agricultural resources, impact on aesthetic resources. impact on historic and archaeological resources where we did incorporate some of the language from Brian McCracken and the ILPC. Um impact on open space and recreation, impact on critical environmental areas, impact on transportation, impact on energy and the passive house is incorporated here. information on that impact on noise, odor and light, impact on human health, consistency with community plans, and consistency with community character. Um, I read this whole thing, you know, yesterday. Have no edits or questions. I there's no highlights. Is there anything you want to bring our attention to?

There's not. I think it's I one thing I might add is just on the impact on plants and animals that some of the recommendation on removing trees is I mean it mentions the city forester but I think it's probably worth saying here explicitly that like the city forester actually recommended taking down some of the existing trees. I could just see that as being Yeah. Where it says the applicant proposed eight Oh no.

Yeah. to be to be further add further clarification to that conversation. Um the existing trees specifically along um State Street um were uh most of them are are um let me get to the end. Hold one second. Most of them are locust trees um which um have kind of reached their sort of height capacity given the urban area and are sort of spreading out into um and crossing the property line with the proposed building design. The thought was that given that they're sort of at their peak and also construction uh and typology of the building would just further impact those existing trees that they weren't beneficial to be kept for those reason.

I can write conferred with the city arborist. Yeah. Like I write that right after I don't want to write a whole discussion just because I wasn't there but I can write conferred with the does that make sense? I I totally understand that should be removed are blah blah blah blah blah that I can write u this was conferred with the city arborist on site that sound good I feel like you often see people who are reactionary and like any tree you take down is a bad tree and so I don't want us to get these removable people being really irritated we took down these trees when actually it's but this is making it a very complete you would never get dinged for something like that but this is making it a much more complete fee so I appreciate thank you for the context that that is helpful to know

these removals were conferred. Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt to Steve. No, that's okay. I understand by the city arburist on site. Does that sound okay to you too, Steve? These removals are conferred by the city arborist on site. Yeah, I think if you wanted to be super super excellent conferred and and propose trees to be um selected and or directed by the city arborist for kind of Yes, I think I have that later. Great. Awesome. Thank you. Yes, that she'll she'll help you with the species of trees that you'll plant. Yeah, that Yeah, perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

Any other comments on other sections? Okay, seeing none. So, let's move this P uh pinkish purplish proposed resolution on the seeker NEG deck. Um, Elizabeth moves. Can I have a second? Jenny seconds. Um, okay. Any discussion on this resolution? Yes. I have nothing productive to add. Oh, great. Seeing none. Okay, let's do a roll call vote on this NAG deck. Jenny, yes. Elizabeth, yes. Max, yes. Okay, I'm also a yes. You have your NAGD deck.

Thank you very much. May May I ask just um couple couple of procedural points for next meeting just to ensure that we're not missing anything in vital or important. Uh the murals we are intending to be a condition of the approval. Um obviously like get funding and then we'll kind of sort it sort that out. We want to just make sure that that's going to be okay. Um, and then, uh, so is there any outstanding items? Um, it sounds like the facade item there potentially. Is there any other outstanding items that you're you're all looking for at the next uh, meeting to achieve uh, preliminary and final?

I'll tell you my list again. Um, material of the State Street railings, maybe all railings. I think that's fair since there's lots of balconies. Um I'm going to cross off glass samples because you intend them to be clear except for a few select locations. Final quantities on the planting schedule else from anybody.

Could I just take a quick straw poll for when we go to review with uh INHS um the facades uh based off of the com comment from ILPC? How is the board feeling if that was to become all the Spartan brown color as opposed to the uh white? I'm not sure that that's the direction we'll head. I just want to gauge a feeling of the board. Let's give a few comments. Go ahead.

I mean, it it makes me second guess my own. This is where I I always get a little bit hung up and so it's interesting to hear Nikki say that she sort of agrees. I mean, I I think if it's that all that dark brown color, like the building will feel too dark. I think to me it will just feel like a big dark space. So I think the white is very welcoming. Um I I can see how it does feel very busy. Um I mean I almost wonder if there's more of like a brick red that you could use to then just be going with the white and the red, but maybe that's like way too bright. I I don't know.

I feel sometimes like I look to the the architects and the design folks What do you think, Elizabeth Bear? I think you have an excellent sense of aesthetics and I would keep it exactly as is. I I I will just add that internally we explored I can't tell you how many different options until we as a group collaboratively felt like this was the right choice. So that's good context, Max. Yeah,

I I I agree um with Elizabeth. I think it's really good the way you have it. And I I think Jenny's point about that making it all the dark color is too dark. It's too much. Yeah. So I I would be very strongly in favor of what you've got. Okay. I'm also in favor of what you've got. Okay. Um

I think just sorry I just want to just chime in with just uh related to how many iterations of this uh we went through. Um, it originally was black and white and we just thought with it being senior housing, it we wanted it to kind of have like a bright kind of uplifting feeling rather than kind of a dark and maybe gloomy feeling and with it taking up a full city block. Um, having kind of some variety seemed helpful.

I thought so too. And it programmatically makes a bit of sense in a way because you have the two on the first floor the two different sections of the building. So there's a cue there from the different colors. Appreciate you got that. I was going to say the same thing, you know, but you know, I am going to read INHS's memo again and probably walk around. This is I keep saying that ILPC's memo again and walk around the neighborhood, think about it a little more critically. Absolutely fair. Y

I think one other thing I would just kind of point to with regard to having the mural um at this specific location is that there's also a mural on the um office for the aging building and we kind of thought that that could be a nice moment where it almost kind of takes art like across the street with it. Um so that was kind of our thought on putting putting the mural at at that location was kind of like tying that that portion of the street together. ILPC doesn't have any problem with the murals, so they like the murals just fine. Love mural. Yeah. Okay. I hope that's a little bit of guidance. No, that that tremendously helps. Thank you for taking the time to do that.

I think too, and we look back at OPC's memo, they speak a little bit more specifically about limiting the number of metal pound colors. So if now we're looking at three colors, if they're looking to go down to two or looking to some variations of those three, there there could be some after discussion if it's considered to be, you know, a conditional approval rather than a direct, you know, I'll I'll throw myself under five at one point. It's not you'll always have conditions on approval. It's not a thing like that. Um and it was specifically the white. I talked with him. It's specifically the white you know. high albido and just separate. Yeah, no worries.

And just with the context that's all but you heard from the board that Yes. So hopefully that leaves you with not too much work but a little bit and we'll see you in a few three short weeks I think. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you to your team and thank you bear. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, the last project for tonight is Ginspoon Hell at Cornell 722 University Avenue. We are looking at a presentation tonight and we will also be doing a seeker review for design community character and the visualizations provided. Hello, nice to see you in person. material. I know for a moment. Yeah. Thanks. Be fair.

So, um, we're And you need to turn on your mic, please. Thank you. Great. Crystal and state my name or something. Okay. Sure. Yeah, you can introduce yourself. We know you, but for for the record, that' be good. I'm Lisa Ferrer from Goody Clansancy Architects. Um, Crystal is also joining. Okay. Um, and in fact, the beginning of the presentation, I believe, is hers. Um, and I have materials to pass around when we get to that part. Hello again, everyone. Um, Sam, could you just check too if Sarah Hayes is online? She's the owner's rep and would be joining if she's up. She's not for her though, Chris.

Okay. Thank you so much. Let me pull up our presentation. All right. All right. So, here again for the Ginsspoon Hello Center at Cornell. Again, um as mentioned, we're going through some of the seeker items in terms of visualization and community character. Um we've got for you just a few updates on the site plan. So, we have taken a look at grading in more detail and have been able to eliminate the wall that was previously shown on the Eastern property line. We've also kind of taken a look at reducing the walls in the front of the of the project along University A and replaced some of those walls with just exterior benches to provide more additional seating around the proposed rain garden feature at the front. Um beyond that there has not been much change and um next month or sorry at the end of this month you'll be seeing an updated set of technical drawings. So we've been progressing the drawings in terms of um you know utilities and everything else and so you'll be getting an updated set for that in the next submission. In terms of the visualizations, we've got three key views that we discussed with you last go around and um vetted with staff for the um faux PRC meeting earlier this month. And so Lisa is going to walk through um the massing studies and the perspectives that her team has prepared as well as she mentioned she's got some great samples there for you all to look to in the material. So I'll kick it over to her.

Thank you. So this is the approach. This is the view. There you go. Um this is the view you've seen before um in a handdrawn rendering um now done in a um photorealistic rendering style. And since we engaged the um renderer, we have made some changes which you'll see in what follows. But this is sort of the photorealistic one that gives you a real sense of um what the building looks like. Um so the majority of the building is um made of terracotta. It's we are looking for a sort of a monochromatic um in tone and I'll I'll pass around the samples. It'll become um clear. Um but one thing to note from from this direction is just that you know we are trying to capture people high on the sidewalk. Um and so that that is and then they're protected you know underneath the overhang as they um come to the entrance which actually faces us in the southwest direction. And that is um it it's doing a couple of things. It's making the entrance accessible. It's putting the entrance on display as you approach. Um, but it also is, you know, protects people as they enter. And the last thing it does is symbolic to the building, which is that the form that projects is the bait madash, which is the um library. Um, that's where the most um sacred books will live and um it will be used um for a library and reading room most of the time. And then it will be used for orthodox worship. um on um the Sabbath. So you you know so it's symbolically the piece that

projects it's symbolically different in texture um but the um but we're sort of overall kind of a monochromatic um uh value on value tone and we're picking up from the light colored limestone that is um on the um Gothics across the street which are the majority of their those buildings are made of lenrock but the trim is a light colored limestone trim. So, if we go to the next um image, we'll see Crystal, if you could advance. Yes. So, it's funny. This is like stretching it vertically, but um it it's it's tells the story. So, we're calling these volumes A, the bait madash, the symbolic heart of the building, and volume B, which is sort of the calm backdrop. And so volume A gets the texture and volume B is smooth. Um so I'll pass around this little tray of samples. This little tray of samples um and describe what you're looking at there. So the um the smooth sample at the top of the tray has Yes. is screen printed. It all of the samples by the way broke in transit. Every single one of them. I was forced to check my bag. Um so um but maybe that makes it easier to pass them around. Um so it's screen printed to give it the appearance of stone. Um and that so on that very that volume B you know we are um dividing the terracotta into large panels using metal trim that will be this kind of dark gray color I'll pass around also. Um, and that trim shows up elsewhere. Um, so one of the things

you'll and then the texture, the bait madrash is one of the two other samples. The client hasn't seen these in person yet. These are two profiles. So the um that they have seen. So that that one that has um it's smooth, but it has a modeled appearance at the very top that you touched a second ago, that is the volume B. And then the two other samples you see that have ribs, those are for the volume a the bait madash. Um and the idea is we're trying to do tone on tone but then just use the differentiation of the texture to give to make that bait madash um give it that special um appearance. The other thing you'll note as you compared this image to the previous slide is we've reduced the amount of glazing that faces southwest. While we do want to embrace those views, we've done daylight analysis including daylight autonomy and glare um in order to make sure it's comfortable inside and there are many hours of the day during which you won't have to turn on the lights. Um so that um so we added and it also makes the volume a appear more connected across. Um and then in front of the glass you see the the prominent uh window that's facing us at the corner there in the bait madash. Um there will be baguettes of um terracotta. So that is like tubeshaped terracotta that is attached to the mullions of the curtain wall to cut down your view into that very important symbolic room but also to um provide some shading. Um and then as far as the glass is concerned, it's um the most important room to see into is the one at the first floor. That's the entrance. It's the lounge. It's where all the action is, you know, and the building becomes more private as you go

up. So the, you know, anybody can walk into Hillel after you're screened and um get a coffee, for example. But maybe you're, you know, you're a step more embedded into the community. You're taking a class in the building. The classroom's on the second floor. Oh, now you're going to to the meal on Shabbat. That's on the third floor. So, it's sort of like public private zoning vertically. Um the glass is vision glass. um in order to to improve further on our daylight autonomy and glare issues at the very top band of the um third floor. There's going to be frit in that zone to cut down on glare. It's none of these patterns actually. We're looking at um we didn't have a sample like pillshaped uh white thing, so we're not trying to make it stripey. Um, and then if we go and then we have and then that last piece is the base, which we don't see in this view very much, but I'll as we go around the building, you'll see more of it. Yeah. So, if we could advance Crystal, I think we'll start to So, here we're just zoomed in a little bit. You can see we were showing a dark base initially at the base of the first floor. Um, and then as the gray drops away, we were seeing more of it off to the left. But we are switching that in favor of using that piece that you held up a second ago, the Dometic limestone, which is hard enough to be in contact with the ground that that smaller sample. Um, so we're trying to again be, you know, creamy beige. We don't have the exact color yet. um creamy beige all the way down to the ground rather than create a dark line of let's say gray granite or something like that at the base. Um and if we go advance again, we'll

start to see the building from other angles. Thanks. So here we are at the street and you can see on volume B we have divided this very calm facade into panels that are divided by the dark metal. It's basically like about a half an inch wide. Um and then within that the smooth panels that have that um modeled almost stone-like appearance are actually horizontal but the joints are nearly invisible. And then the bait mash is textured with the baguettes at the glass. Um, you can see I think there was some concern expressed about the visibility of rooftop equipment. Um, if you if you were in the fourth floor of the Alice Cook building across the street, you could get a real line of a line of sight on that, but it's very hard to see from elsewhere. We'll show you from up the hill also that you you can't see it. But we're using a a metal screen. um for the um enclosure of the penthouse and um it's you know so that the the body of the building is kind of on its own and that's just to fade into the background. Um if we go forward we have a view also from looking down the street you can see the um penthouse is set back. If we were to put solar panels on the roof, which the client is considering, you would not be able to see them from any angle. Um, and you can just um the bait madash, it's symbolically important that it have an east facing window. So, the rabbi stands against the east wall during worship and there has to be daylight coming from that side. So, we have um that is our east facing window within the bait madash. And we're looking at tucking in like um window seats. You know, it's supposed to be a cozy library, you know,

sit comfortably for a while to read kind of a space. And then we have a view from the back as well from the north side. Yeah. So, you see that textured form comes along and then and then it turns down and comes to the ground. And rather than darker gray, we're going to have that light colored um dolommitic limestone. So that we're trying to not to draw draw a horizontal stripe and especially it will call attention where terracotta cannot come into contact with the ground but we're going to step it down. Um and so just trying to be tonally uh similar um and a change that we have made but I'm not sure we had shown you this view before. Um you can see on the top left of the building the um the only enclosed space on the penthouse level is the stair and that is the stair going up. Um, we had had that in terracotta, but it was um drawing much more attention to the penthouse than we wanted. So, we've just changed the materiality, set it back just a tiny tiny bit in order to um have it not read as massively. The other thing you can see here is on the um uh left hand side under that penthouse there are skinnier bands. Um and those skinny bands are not terracotta. They are the dark metal again treated kind of like if you could picture this were a tray like this facing you though. So the the lips run around the edges of it. Um, and so it's it's all raincreen. It's all open joint. Um, so that you know they never have to this building again. It um once we once we do it, we're we're done. Um, and this is just to add a little variation on the um on the volume that doesn't get a lot of windows because that's really

where all the back of house stuff is, the fire stair, the bathrooms, the um elevator and so on. next view. And these are some of the images of the samples before they were broken. Um the um the little image on the left, that little circle, that was one of the images that really caught the client's attention. And what they've done there, you can see that sometimes the the corrugations of the terracotta align vertically and the joint kind of disappears between those two. But yeah, exactly. Thank you, Crystal. But then there what they've done is they've either used a different profile or just shifted it off a little bit. And what that does is it gives you just a little extra shadow line. Um, and so it's another um thing that we're looking at to just play with the um the plainness of that volume is to just give um you know that it's it's all very simple. It's all it's all um you know um but you know having just like another read you know another level of of um uh articulation. The um the black sample we did not bring that that profile has been rejected. It was never there for color, but that profile we've left by the wayside and we're we're favoring one of the top two. One of the nice things that happened during value engineering and I can't believe I I'll say this is that we had a double wall terracotta which would have meant that instead of the terracotta sing having you can see this single line of clay, this would have been a single pan. And what that allows is you can get a lot more sculptural, but it also weighs twice as much and has a higher carbon footprint. Um, so what we were able to do by accepting that value engineering

was also reduce the um the weight of this canal lever and reduce the steel. So it was a win-win. Um, we were trying to keep, if you could imagine that canolver, trying to keep it as thin as we could for the proportions of the building. So that was a um a rare win where VE worked for other things. And here the sample on the bottom is the one that you held in your hands. Um that is by one manufacturer. Um and we requested samples of another manufacturer which are the top two that are a little too yellow for our taste. So, we are working with the terracotta manufacturer to get it exactly right. Um, and we're leaning towards the kind of cooler tones of the bottom sample, the one that I brought with us. The image on the left shows how when you take um when you when you break terracotta into panels, the horizontal joints almost disappear but not quite. So on that smoothbodied volume the B it it has the larger panelization of the metal surrounding the making a frame but then within that the panels themselves are horizontal with very with hairline joints. And now these are the rendered elevations. So you can see this is the only place actually where we'll see the east elevation since it's blocked by the keyboard um museum building. So the west building the west facade is along the drive that leads back to the fraternities. Um so you see the smooth volume with the um textured one in front of it casting a shadow on that on the

entry and so on. The south is the street facing um elevation um where you can see again just this very smooth backdrop and that's where we're imagining on the right hand side of the south facade where the building name will appear um probably within the second floor or first floor uh banding. Um you know we're thinking you know letters on standoffs or something along those lines, something quiet. Um, and then you can see here too the way it's rendered. You can see where the frit glass is at the top floor. So the the metal there's a very thin metal cap that runs along the top of the building. The curtain wall is the same color as that cap and then the frit occurs in that top panel of glass. The next slide is the next two elevations. So here's the where you see the east elevation which is largely blocked by the um um by the keyboard building so you couldn't see it in perspective. So those narrow bands uh of darker color that is the the metal tray that I described sort of a inside out tray and then that same gesture it carries the windows. Um windows are very few in in terms of the uses ve very few are needed on this side. Um we have a stair a stair lobby and then um three three offices and then its bathrooms and and other things that don't require um glazing. Plus we're we're trying to stay below the um for the Ithaca energy code we're staying below the 20%. So we are we're at something like 18 and a half% right now. Um and then the north facade is, you know, essentially the back of the building. There will be a um a door at the bottom of that glass tower. Um and

but that is for um there's a cafe in the building. So that is for connecting deliveries um without having to um maneuver through through crazy corridors. Just it's very the cafe is just on the other side of that door. So just to make it easy to load and unload. And then the next slide had the um just some enlargements to describe the baguettes. So between the panels themselves there's a baguette. We haven't chosen the exact profile. Um but that just creates another another layer of shadow. And then just a little bit of baguette treatment in front of the windows on the um on the corner as well as the one that's a little set further back into the site. And then this just shows this is the pill pattern I was trying to describe of the frit where it's just it's little broken lines um rather than something that's continuous. And then the vision glass which I brought a sample of just showing where where those go. And and then the curtain wall and parapet cap. It's a very thin cap. Dark colored mullions like the sample the aluminum accent channels same all the same metal. We're trying to keep the palette very simple. Um dark mullians have a way of um not jumping out at you like light colored mullions end up looking like you put tape on your glass or something like that. Um, so they just sort of, you know, blend in. Um, and then, yeah, I guess I called it channels there, but it's sort of like a tray. Like it's just pushed in just a little bit, like half an inch or an inch. And I think that's Oh, we we we were able to get grayscale renderings out pretty easily. And we thought because the orange ones were so

diagrammatic, it might just be helpful to see it in in this way also, even though they're not fully rendered. So here from the street you get a sense of the texture and the and the shadows and then I think there and then the aerial we're looking at the balcony where the suka will will um occupy part of during that holiday. And you can see the baguettes and the texture um showing up in front of the windows here a little better than in the elevations. That's all on the material side of things. Thanks, Lisa. Um, and then last month when we met with the planning board members, there was a question regarding the circulation. And so what we just did was a simple diagram to show the existing circulation. Just to orient everyone, the site is right here in the center. Um, so the existing pedestrian circulation, there's a path that goes at the back of this parking along ADP Drive. And what our proposal is is that that path will basically get switched to the other side but still provide essentially the same circulation for pedestrians um heading back to the northern part of the the campus behind the project site. And that's it for this evening. Thank you Crystal and thank you Lisa. That was a wonderful presentation. Um, let's start with Jenny for comments and questions, please.

I mean, it looks beautiful. I don't really have anything. It's a really beautiful building. Yeah, that's what we're hoping. Elizabeth, I agree. Well done. Um, very elegant and simple design yet um strong uh symbolically. And I thank you for um running us through your concepts and um I feel like that depth is really adding something. I love that you call those baguettes. I think I didn't invent the word Max. Yeah.

Yeah. I I agree. I think I think it's looking really really good and I really like how you've um uh captured the contextual aspect of it and so forth and and and the symbolic aspects of it. So that's that's really working. I think it's going to be very attractive and it's going to be a real addition to the neighborhood. So I yeah, I don't have any any criticisms or or any concerns. I think it sounds really looks really good. I agree. It's such a beautiful building. Um, I think your description of the materials were really helpful to fully understand. When I reviewed the material, I certainly didn't get like what goes where. Yeah. Yep. I understand. Yeah. Um, but it makes so much sense and even with the monochromatic palette, the texture is so rich.

Thanks. Really lovely building. Um, so I think moving forward, that's like a resounding positive response. Moving forward then, um, if you could, you know, distill what you spoke about tonight and point it to the elevations just for record so we know exactly and what goes where. It looks like that's starting to happen, but just y I'm sure we will get the technical drawings which have that as well. Um, that would be helpful on the the flat elevations. Um, my notes were to add some detail to the site plan, but Crystal, you said that's coming for next time, right?

Yes. Yep. Um, in detail, I just meant like dumpsters and bike racks. So, I'll I'll hold on that. Um, and then I think it would be great to see buildings sight lighting. The rendering starts to show it, but considering that path is now sort of compressed between the building and your neighbor to the east. That's actually the area that I'm most concerned about. Um,

yeah, we're we're mounting that we are mounting the lights on the building. um well at the entrance site under the canopy as using the canopy as much as possible and then on the path um mounting them to the building and then we have spare numbers of poles, ballards, etc. that um the client is still considering what exact model they they want us to put forward. Great. Um I'm sure a planting plan is coming. That will be interesting to see as well. Um, and more information about uh the rain garden, I think it's called. Yeah,

just curious about that. Um, so that's all I have. Um, I think it looks wonderful. Um, next month we're we're continuing through Seeker, which I didn't see a lot of gaps. Do you want to talk through that? No. And that's mainly Sam. I think for next month it's transportation, construction, noise, odor, and light like you had said. And is there Yeah. I think uh the applicants requested a meeting with us to talk about the transportation. Okay. Great. Okay. And then that was really it.

Sam is terracotta broken luggage. you.

Well, the um it's funny when the terracotta manufacturer sent the samples to us, they were each embedded in their own custom-shaped foam thingamajig, which we promptly tossed. Um which I guess we should not have. Um yeah, I mean the these samples that um this the way that these particular single wall terracotta are attached to the building, one thing that's really lovely about them is they snap in and snap out. So if one breaks, you can replace it without taking the whole wall down. Um, and I just have to believe that, you know, that the builders will care more than American Airlines or sorry, Delta Airlines cared cared about my bag today. So yeah, that's fair. Yeah,

I suspect in a vertical orientation, they're much stronger as well than in the horizontal. Well, yeah. These are going to be four feet wide, you know. So, so they'll just be more robust by nature of that. So, they wouldn't have that. We that this was so valuable. Thank you for lugging all this stuff with you. For us to hold it, I think really sells.

The only I only lugged a few and that was um and we shipped some, but they broke all of all of them whether they were shipped or or lugged. Anyway, Well, great. Thank you. Any final thoughts from the board? No. From the applicant? No. Great. Okay. Well, Crystal and Lisa, we will see you in a few weeks. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye. Bye. We don't have our director with us. We have our deputy director. Do you have a report? I do not. Okay. Any old new business? Um, yes. I forgot to send it to you guys. I will send it tomorrow. So, there is a training that the that the county and the state are putting on um about affordable housing. Great.

So, I'll send that send that to you all. It's for BCA boards and planning boards. That sounds a great opportunity. Yeah. Uh okay. Any old new business from board members? None. [Music]

Yeah. Yes. Excellent. Not really a reform form. A little paragraph and where to go to apply. I would love it. Thanks, Jenny. We are still looking for two new members. Is that right? Yes. We have two seats to fill. So, um, to all those engaged listeners out there who have made it this far, we would love to have your applications if you live in the city and are interested in planning and have any sort of background that would mesh well with this board. So, and if Brian Crannle's listening, he's gotten us members before. Put out the word, Brian.

Two things. Um, I don't know if this is the appropriate time. Um, the we had talked at one point about some kind of a retreat or something like that. And I just wanted to see if that was still under the agenda was number one. And number two, could we review kind of where where we're at in terms of meetings? I'm a little confused. Uh, not a PRC this week, right? Yes, good questions. Thank you. Yes, no PRC this week. I'll send that email out to I mean it's three days later so Yeah, exactly. I figured out. So, no PRC since we had to reschedule. And then our next planning board meeting is as usual as per usuge the fourth Tuesday of this month. So, it's August 26th.

Okay. So, we'll y know Jenny will not be there. So, we're relying on the other four being here. Okay. Um, and the other question, retreat, we should still have that on and we should look at when we have five Tuesdays or another time. So, we should Yeah, I'll thank you for reminding. We'll send that out. Leave those. Yeah. Uh, okay. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? Elizabeth Shaharam.