Metropolitan Development Commission - Regular Meeting

Wednesday, August 5, 2026

The Metropolitan Development Commission approved several economic revitalization area resolutions, including tax abatements for Prysmian Cables & Systems USA, LLC and Zima International, Inc. The commission also approved a resolution to terminate and settle a personal property tax abatement for Airwave Packaging, Inc., and another to terminate a real property tax abatement for Exeter Lynhurst Land, LLC. Additionally, a companion variance petition for Redline Holdings XII, LLC was approved despite neighborhood concerns regarding commercial space and parking.

About this meeting

Government Body
Metropolitan Development Commission
Meeting Type
Metropolitan Development Commission
Location
Indianapolis, IN
Meeting Date
August 5, 2026

Transcript

277 sections

0:36 – 1:08Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you.

1:55 – 3:20Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. Welcome to the August 5th, 2026 meeting of the Metropolitan Development Commission. We have a quorum, and I will now call the meeting to order. Would you all rise and join me with the Pledge of Allegiance? Thank you. Our first order of business is to review the minutes from the July 1st, 2026 meeting. We've got the minutes on Friday and Saturday, and as we have done in the past, In some situations, we're going to study the minutes a little bit longer. What I'd like to do is get a motion to table the minutes until the meeting of August 19th. Commissioner Murphy, can I get a motion to table the minutes until August 19th? So moved. Thank you. Commissioner Lyle, can I get a second? Second. Thank you. Let me call the roll. Herget? Herget, yes. Lyle? Lyle, yes. Morarity? Morarity, yes. Murphy? Murphy, yes. Robinson? You're not voting on the minutes, you're voting on the table.

3:20Speaker 6

Robinson, yes.

3:22 – 3:41Speaker 3

West? West, yes. Dillon is a yes. This is not unprecedented, we've done this before, and we'll have them ready to go on the 19th. Moving forward, are there any requests, withdrawals, or continuances that we need to come forward? Yes.

3:43 – 4:13Speaker 9

Good afternoon, President Dillon, members of the commission, Kathy Battle with the Economic Incentives Team with DMD. Here to request item three of the agenda, 2026A016, and item four, 2026A017, be continued to the August 9th hearing. August 19th. August 19th hearing date as we are finalizing outlining the company's commitments within the agreement.

4:15 – 4:41Speaker 3

Yeah, any questions from members of the Commission? Is there anyone in the crowd who would like to comment on this continuance request? Hearing none, we'll have to do two separate votes. Okay. Before us is 2026A016. Staff has asked it to be continued until the August 19th meeting. Commissioner Robinson, can I get a motion to approve?

4:42Speaker 3

Commissioner Morarity, can I get a second? Second. Let me call the roll. Hurgett?

4:47Speaker 19

Hurgett, yes.

4:49Speaker 3

Morarity? Morarity, yes. Murphy? Murphy, yes. Robinson? Robinson, yes. West?

4:56 – 5:40Speaker 3

Continuance is granted on 2026A016720 to August 19th. Brings us to the second request, which is 2026A017, another request for continuance. They dovetail resolutions until August 19th. Members of the commission, do you have any questions? Is there anyone here who would like to comment on that resolution? Hearing none, Commissioner Morarity, can I get a motion to move 2026A017 to the meeting of August 19th, 2026? So moved. Thank you. Commissioner West, can I get a second?

5:41Speaker 3

Let me call the roll. Hurgett?

5:44Speaker 19

Hurgett, yes.

5:45Speaker 3

Lyle? Lyle, yes. Morarity? Morarity, yes. Murphy? Murphy, yes.

5:50Speaker 13

Robinson? Robinson, yes.

5:52 – 6:16Speaker 3

West? West, yes. Dillon is a yes. 2026A017, by a vote of 7-0, moves to August 19, 2026. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other continuances, withdrawals, special requests? Kathleen.

6:16 – 6:41Speaker 4

Yes, President Dillon, members of the commission, staff would draw your attention to item number 12, 2026, APP 012, located at 7431 West 34th Street. Staff is requesting a continuance to your September the 2nd hearing, pending receipt of the commitments related to this request. And that would require a motion and a vote.

6:42 – 7:14Speaker 3

thank you hang on kathleen i'm trying to air this 2026 cvr 821 no this is item number 12 2026 app 012. all right hang on a second your agenda is not matching up with my agenda It is 2026 APP 012-7431 West 34th Street.

7:15Speaker 4

Yes, that's correct.

7:16Speaker 3

And your request is to go?

7:17Speaker 4

To September the 2nd. Pending receipt of executed commitments.

7:23 – 7:48Speaker 3

Are there any questions from members of the commission on this continuance request? Is there anyone here in the audience who would like to comment about it? We have before us a request for 2026 APP 012 to be moved to September 2nd. Commissioner Murphy, can I get a motion to approve? So moved. Commissioner Robinson, can I get a second?

7:49Speaker 3

Let me call the roll.

7:52Speaker 19

Herget, yes.

7:53Speaker 3

Lyle. Lyle, yes. Morarity. Morarity, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

7:58Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

7:59 – 8:27Speaker 3

West. West, yes. Dillon is a yes. So we are moving 2026 APP 012 by a count of seven to zero to September 2nd. Any other continuances, special requests? Seeing none, Nancy, can you read the resolutions into the record, please? They'll be heard today.

8:32 – 11:39Speaker 5

Thank you, President Dillon and commissioners. 2026R022 authorizes the Department of Metropolitan Development to enter into an on-call engineering contracts as needed. 2026R023 authorizes the Department of Metropolitan Development to convey title or an option to purchase title of property to transferee as approved by vacant to vibrant review committee for the purpose of providing development that will best serve the interests of the city. Next is 2026A028, far public hearing. Final economic revitalization area resolution for Prismian Cables and Systems, USA, LLC. Located at 7950 Rockville Road, Council District 16, Wayne Township. Recommend approval of seven years real property tax abatement. 2026A029 for our public hearing. Final economic revitalization area resolution for Prismian Cables and Systems USA LLC located at 7950 Rockville Road. Council District 16 Wayne Township recommend approval of seven years personal property tax abatement. 2026A034, for public hearing, final economic revitalization area resolution for Zima International Incorporated, located at 429 Fintel Drive, Council District 20, Wayne Township. Recommend approval of seven years personal property tax abatement. 2026A035 for public hearing. Resolution authorizing a hearing regarding termination and settlement of the personal property tax abatement associated with economic revitalization area resolution 2021A0242021. Airwave Packaging Incorporated located at 5302 West 78th Street, Council District 6, Pike Township. 2026A036, for public hearing resolution authorizing a hearing regarding termination of the real property tax abatement associated with economic revitalization area resolution 2019A006, 2019, Exeter-Lyndhurst Land Incorporated, located at 5325 Searly Road, Council District 21, Decatur Township. 2026BB001 authorizes the expenditure of unobligated funds on deposit in the respective allocation funds to reimburse the bond bank for prior expenditures incurred by the bond bank, acting for and on behalf of the city pursuant to section 26B3G of the Redevelopment Act. This ends the reading of the resolutions.

11:41 – 12:03Speaker 3

Thank you, Nancy. We have three policy resolutions not scheduled for a public hearing. 2026R022, 2026R023, 2026BB001. Commissioner Morarity, I'd like to take all three at once as approval. Can I get a motion? So moved. Thank you. Commissioner Hurgett, can I get a second?

12:03Speaker 3

Let me call the roll. Hurgett.

12:05Speaker 19

Herget, yes.

12:08Speaker 3

Moriarty. Moriarty, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

12:12Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

12:13 – 12:51Speaker 3

West. West, yes. Dillon is a yes. All three pass by a count of seven to zero. Moving forward. The first resolution for public hearing is 2026A-028, Final Economic Revitalization Area Resolution for Persimmon Cables and Systems USA LLC, located at 7950 Rockfield Road, Council District Number 16, Wayne Township. Recommend an approval of seven years real property tax abatement. Staff, please introduce yourself.

12:51 – 13:32Speaker 6

Good afternoon, President Dillon and commissioners. My name is Tanya Ellison, program manager with economic development and economic incentives, DMD. I'm here on behalf of resolutions 2026A028 and 2026a029 for prison cables and systems these resolutions are requests for expansions of its existing indianapolis location the request is for seven year real and personal property abatement with a total investment of 100 million the project will retain 82 jobs and create 55 new positions at an above average wage the staff is recommending approval of these resolutions 2026a028 and

13:36 – 14:07Speaker 3

2026 a 029 thank you tanya is there any questions for tanya is there anyone here in the audience who'd like to ask questions on this public hearing on these matters all right we have two that we have to have two separate votes on 2026 a 028 final economic revitalization area resolution Which has been read into the minutes. Commissioner Lyle, can I get a motion to approve?

14:09Speaker 3

Thank you. Commissioner West, can I get a second? Second. Let me call the roll. Herget?

14:14Speaker 14

Herget, yes.

14:17Speaker 3

Morarity? Morarity, yes. Murphy? Murphy, yes. Robinson?

14:21Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

14:22 – 15:16Speaker 3

West? West, yes. Dillon is a yes. 2026A028 passes seven to zero. tanya will now go to 2026a029 the final economic revitalization area resolution for premise and cables and systems usa llc located at 7950 rockville road council district number 16 wayne township recommended approval of seven years personal property tax abatement this dovetails into 2026a Members of the commission, are there any questions on this resolution? Is there anyone here today who would like to ask questions on this resolution? Seeing none, Commissioner West, can I get a motion to approve 2026A029? So moved. Commissioner Robinson, can I get a second?

15:16Speaker 3

Let me call the roll. Hurgett?

15:19Speaker 19

Hurgett, yes.

15:21Speaker 3

Morarity. Morarity, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

15:25Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

15:28 – 15:42Speaker 3

Dillon is a yes. 2026A029 passes seven to zero. Thank you, Tanya. Thank you. We are now looking at 2026A034. Is that yours as well?

15:42Speaker 6

Yes, it is mine as well.

15:45 – 16:17Speaker 6

Just for record, Tanya Ellison, Program Manager, Economic Incentives. i'm here on behalf of resolution 2026a034 for zuma international the request is for a seven-year personal property abatement with a total investment of 42.8 million the project will will create 350 jobs all at an above average wage the project is in the irvington brookfield tiff allocation area and has received approval for the sb1 from city county council on july the 6th staff is recommending approval for this resolution 2026a034

16:20 – 16:39Speaker 3

Any questions from members of the commission? Is there anyone here today who would like to comment on 2026A034? Seeing none, Commissioner Murphy, I'll take a motion to approve 2026A034. So moved. Thank you. Commissioner Lyle, can I get a second?

16:40Speaker 14

Second, yes.

16:40Speaker 3

Let me call the roll. Herget?

16:42Speaker 14

Herget, yes.

16:45Speaker 3

Morarity. Morarity, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

16:48Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

16:51Speaker 3

Dillon is a yes. 2026A034 passes 7-2-0. That moves us to 2026A035. Thank you, Tonya. Thank you. Hello.

17:10 – 17:57Speaker 11

hi good afternoon thank you president dylan and members of the commission i am leticia ramsey compliance manager for the economic incentives team this resolution is a public hearing to terminate the tax abatement and approve a settlement agreement for a airway packaging project located at 5302 west 78th street under the agreement the company will maintain its corporate presence in marion county for at least three years at the At a rate of 18 new jobs with an average wage rate of $35 an hour. If the company fails to maintain their corporate presence for the three years at 18 new jobs at an average wage rate of $35 an hour, they will owe the city $4,407.94, known as damages. Questions on 2026A035.

18:09 – 18:24Speaker 3

None from the commission. Anyone in the audience who'd like to ask questions on it? We've obviously heard this in pre-meetings a couple times. Commissioner West, can I get a motion on 2026A035 to approve?

18:25Speaker 3

Commissioner Moretti, can I get a second? Second. Let me call the roll.

18:33Speaker 3

Moriarty. Moriarty, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

18:36Speaker 19

Robinson, yes.

18:38Speaker 3

Dillon is a yes. 2026A035 passes 7-0. And that takes us to 2026A036. For the record, my name is Leticia Ramsey.

18:55 – 19:35Speaker 11

Compliance manager for the economic incentives team. This resolution is a public hearing to terminate the Exeter Lindhurst land Land tax abatement project located at 53 25 Cirelli Road The company is below the committed numbers for the new job headcount under the terms of the agreement the city is entitled for a repayment of tax savings in the amount of sixty nine thousand two hundred and nineteen and seventy two cent also known as damages and The company agrees with this amount and DMD also agrees with this amount and determination. If there are any further questions, someone from the company is in the audience to speak to the questions.

19:36 – 19:52Speaker 3

Any questions from members of the commission? Anyone in the audience who'd like to comment? Simply, this is a clawback $69,000 that we've discussed in pre-meeting and in our compliance meetings. Correct?

19:53Speaker 3

Okay. Members of the commission, we've got 2026A036 before us. Commissioner Hurgett, can I get a motion to approve?

20:05Speaker 3

Commissioner Lyle, can I get a second?

20:07Speaker 3

Let me call the roll. Hurgett.

20:10Speaker 19

Herget, yes.

20:12Speaker 3

Morarity. Morarity, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson. Robinson, yes. West.

20:18 – 20:33Speaker 3

Dillon is a yes. 2026A036 passes 7-0. Thank you. Nancy, I think that concludes our resolutions. Am I counting correctly?

20:34Speaker 5

You're correct.

20:35Speaker 3

Thank you. Can you read the petitions of no appeal into the record?

20:45 – 22:38Speaker 5

Yes, thank you again President Dillon and the commissioners. Petitions of no appeal recommended for approval remaining on the agenda are 2026APP010 at 136 West 14th Street, 120 West 15th, 144 West 16th, 1701 and 1801 Senate Boulevard, 2055 North Senate Avenue, and 2055 North Capitol Avenue. Center Township, Council District 12. 2026 MOD 005 at 7445 Kentucky Avenue, Decatur Township, Council District 21. 2025 ZON 110 amended at 10302 East 38th Street, Lawrence Township, Council District 15. 2026 ZON 047 at 448 North Keeling Avenue, Center Township, Council District 13. 2026ZON053 at 230 West Moore Street, Center Township, Council District 18. 2026ZON054 at 2506 Prospect Street, Center Township, Council District 18. 2026ZON05A to 2950 and 2954 McPherson Street, Center Township, Council District 8. And lastly, 2026CZN816 at 4511 Allisonville Road, Washington Township, Council District 8. This ends the reading of the no appeals docket recommended approval by the hearing examiners.

22:39 – 23:29Speaker 3

We've had eight petitions of no appeal recommended for approval and that I'd like to take as a whole, 2026APP010, 2026MOD005, 2025ZON110, 2026ZON047, 2026ZON053, 2026ZON054, 2026ZON058, 2026CZN816, Commissioner Morarity, can I get a motion to approve all eight? So moved. Thank you. Commissioner Murphy, can I get a second? Second. Let me call the roll. Herget. Herget, yes. Lyle. Lyle, yes. Morarity. Morarity, yes. Murphy. Murphy, yes. Robinson.

23:29Speaker 13

Robinson, yes.

23:30 – 23:47Speaker 3

West. West, yes. Dillon is a yes. All eight petitions of no appeal passed 7-0. nancy please read into the record our first public hearing today yes sir thank you president dylan and commissioners

23:49 – 25:29Speaker 5

First, public hearing is for a companion variance petition approved by the hearing examiner, appeal filed by remonstrator. 2026 CVR 821, second amended at 3404, 3432, 3434, 3438, and 3444, North Illinois Street, Center Township, Council District 8. The petitioner's red line holdings, the 12th LLC by Justin Kingen, requesting a variance of use and development standards of the consolidated zoning and subdivision ordinance to provide for a large mixed use development, not permitted with a zero foot rear yard setback, minimum 10 foot required. With a perimeter yard from 0 to 10 feet in width, minimum of 20 feet required. With a living space ratio, an LSR of 0.080, 0.66 required. And with 47 on street and off street parking spaces provided, minimum of 82 parking spaces required. Will all those intending to testify on this petition please stand now to be identified? Anybody that wants to speak, please stand now. Please raise your right hands. Do you swear or affirm the penalties of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth? Say I do.

25:30 – 26:39Speaker 3

Ladies and gentlemen, let me walk you through the rules of engagement. I will come to the petitioners for introduction and to make their case. You have 15 minutes. I will then go to the remonstrators and give you 15 minutes to make your case. I do not see any city council members here. If there is, raise your hand, but I don't see any. I will then go to staff. Who's got this case, Kathleen? Once staff's presented their findings, I'll come back to the petitioner for a five minute rebuttal. And at the conclusion of that, I'll come back to the remonstrators for a five minute rebuttal. You may receive questions from the commission at the end of your presentations, and then we will move forward for a vote on the matter. We run these meetings tightly and in complete decorum with proper conduct. Petitioner. You've been duly sworn? I have. You're on the clock, go.

26:39 – 35:05Speaker 17

Thank you. Good afternoon, President Dillon and members of the commission. Justin Kingin, address is 2722 Manker Street, Indianapolis, Indiana, 46203. I'm here representing the property owner and petitioner, Redline Holdings XXILLC. And on behalf of DTM Real Estate, the local development team behind what will hopefully be known as the Ritz on Illinois. uh and two members of dtm are here with me to answer any questions and offer their comments as well before anything else i want to walk through exactly where we are in this process because the list of variances that are being requested has narrowed since we filed these petitions and so the commission should have a full picture of what's in front of them pages two and three of the packet that we handed out in front of you it illustrates line by line which variances are being requested and which ones have been withdrawn throughout this process what remains is the use variance to allow a large mixed-use development the operative authorization for the project now we started with a rezone to mu2 we have since withdrawn that and since Filed for a use variance, and so the property would remain zoned D10. Then in addition to that, we have four development standards. One for a perimeter yard, one for a rear yard setback, one for a livability space ratio, and one for vehicle parking. What's been withdrawn since the initial filing is a front yard setback, a primary entry feature, a wall plane, and transparency reduction. Those were part of the MU2 standards when we initially had filed for the rezone. So they don't apply to the D10 that this property will remain zoned. In addition to that, street trees were part of the initial request. We've since updated the plan so we meet that standard, so that can be withdrawn. then floor area ratio is proposed for withdrawal before you today this is a corrected calculation that comes from the 1.92 ratio that this commission already granted on these parcels back in 2024. the staff report notes that the withdrawal would require acknowledgement by the commission and that's what we're asking for before you today Every remaining variance either tracks relief that this commission granted on these same parcels back in 2024 or is driven by the need for density on an infill site such as this one. Which you'll see also in the staff report recognizes that as exactly this circumstance is why variances exist. The residential entitlement, the density, the height, the four stories, the multifamily use was approved by this commission back in 2024 under petitions 2024 ZON042 and 2024 VAR007. Today's request before you builds on that approval. It adds, or it would allow, if you approve this petition, 2,500 square feet of ground floor commercial space to an already entitled residential building. The comprehensive plan designates this site for village mixed use, which allows for one to four story buildings, mixed use, small scale retail, which will serve the immediate neighborhood. The site is within a half mile walk of the Red Line's district center at Berlin Street and 30th Street. And the Red Line's TOD strategic plan calls for dense residential paired with neighborhood serving retail near that station. In addition to that, the Crown Hill neighborhood, their own 34th Street plan, which you can find on pages 10 and 11 of the handout, call for 2,400 square feet of commercial space at this specific site. This project provides 2,500 square feet of commercial space. It exceeds the neighborhood's own plan for this specific site. Next, I want to address the parking. The numbers in this case caption directly. The caption states that 82 spaces are required, that is the base standard, before the reductions from the ordinance itself that it provides. After the transit proximity and the mixed use reductions to the site, the adjusted requirement is 54 spaces. this project would provide 47 spaces 29 off street and 18 on street plus 16 indoor bicycle park parking spaces so that's a seven parking space shortfall on the auto count section two of this packet walks through this step by step so you can see all the breakdown of what's required and what's allowed to be reduced The hearing examiner accepted this exact reasoning on July 9th, that the red line is close by, the area is served by bike and bus infrastructure, and reduced parking here is supportable. On July 8th, I took photos standing on the site that you can see on pages 12 through 16, and you can see the immense amount of available on street parking in the area. On page five of the packet puts the 2,500 square feet of commercial space that is being proposed for this development into context. The demand made in remonstrous that the entire 25,000 square foot first floor be commercial is 10 times what's being proposed for this space and larger than many whole shopping centers are. Three things that follow. At one space per 350 square feet, a 25,000 square foot commercial space would require just itself 71 additional parking spaces. From that same remonstrance, they're asking for more parking. So it kind of conflicts with the demands that are working against one another. It would also, by providing 25,000 square feet of commercial space, it would displace 18 residential affordable housing units. The market evidence is in this packet. The Stella at 1827 North Meridian Street built just 1,650 square feet of retail and has sit vacant a year since its completion. Residents come first and roughly 100 new households built the demand that supports retail on the two vacant commercial corners nearby. Pages 17 and 18 of the packet is a correspondence log of the 27 documented items from November of 2021 through July of 2026, including in-person meetings with the Crown Hill Neighborhood Association. In July of 2024 and a memorandum of understanding drafts exchanged in 2025. Engagement here has been continuous across those five years. And I have a full email record if the commission would like to see it. We have support from staff. They're recommending approval provided that it's subject to the two standard commitments which we're in agreement with. The hearing examiner recommended approval of the petition back on July 9th. You will find us towards the back of the packet. Councilor Gibson has his full support behind this project. You will find his letter in that file. He joined the association on a call on August 2nd and reaffirmed his support during that call. And then INHP, the landowner, has submitted a letter of support. So we agree with the findings in the staff report, and for those reasons, we would ask that the commission approve 2026 CVR 821, subject to the site plan and the two staff commitments. And to acknowledge the withdrawal of the floor area ratio variance based on the ratio granted in 2024. I'm happy to answer any questions.

35:05Speaker 20

Questions from commission? I have a few questions, President. Commissioner Murphy. Who's the developer?

35:11Speaker 17

DTM Real Estate. They're local.

35:13Speaker 20

Can you repeat that, please?

35:14Speaker 17

DTM Real Estate.

35:17Speaker 20

And can you, maybe these are more questions for the developer, but give us information on some other similar developments they've accomplished.

35:31Speaker 3

Ma'am, you need to be sworn in. You didn't swear in before. Okay.

35:43Speaker 5

Swear or affirm on the penalties of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. I do. I do. Thank you.

35:50Speaker 12

Good afternoon. My name is Diana Burdick. Address 8250 Haverstick Road, Suite 230, Indianapolis, Indiana.

35:56Speaker 3

I'm sorry. Repeat your name, please.

35:57Speaker 11

Diana Burdick.

36:01 – 36:25Speaker 12

Okay. We recently completed a 4% LIHTC 206 unit development in Lake County in East Chicago, Indiana, where we partnered with the local housing authority there. and received 100% project-based vouchers. This was an age-restricted project. That project, we closed on that in 2022 and have recently since completed construction in 2024. It is now fully leased.

36:25Speaker 3

Diana, please speak in the microphone. Okay. Thank you.

36:29 – 36:43Speaker 12

And that project is now fully leased. We had a capital stack that consisted of equity, debt, city incentives, a tax abatement, and then also monies donated from the city and the East Chicago Housing Authority.

36:45Speaker 20

So in this instance, as part of the capital stack equity by the sale of low income housing tax credits?

36:53Speaker 20

4%. 4%. Where do you stand in that application process?

36:58 – 37:11Speaker 12

We were anticipating in going into the non-competitive round, but that round just closed in July 31st. And now since we were moved to this August 5th docket, we are now anticipating submitting in the non-competitive round when the round reopens in November.

37:13Speaker 20

Okay, and have you selected a GC or a CM for this?

37:17Speaker 20

Who is that? Inherent. And who will be the property manager?

37:22Speaker 12

We have a MOU with Mitch Walters, my goodness, his name is, Justice Property Group.

37:30Speaker 20

And will they have an on-site presence?

37:32Speaker 12

Yes, they will, full time.

37:34Speaker 20

And is that their on-site office part of the 2150 of commercial?

37:39Speaker 12

No, that is separate from the 2,500 that we are proposing.

37:42Speaker 20

All right. Or 2,150, right, of retail?

37:47Speaker 12

It's, I believe, 2,507 square feet. Thank you. You're welcome.

37:55 – 38:38Speaker 3

Other questions? Stand by, petitioners. We'll be back to you. Remonstrators, please come forward. Commissioner Dillon, I'm a petitioner as well. I'm sorry, sir? He concluded his case. You can come back during the rebuttal if you coordinate with your leader here. Remonstrators, please come forward. Now remember, you have 15 minutes as a group, everybody.

38:53Speaker 8

I apologize, I'm not being disrespectful to the court.

38:56Speaker 3

You're doing fine. Nancy, can you swear her in, please?

38:59Speaker 8

Just left the hospital.

39:03 – 39:14Speaker 5

Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, say I do? Yes, I do. Okay, please state your name and address.

39:14Speaker 8

Danita Hoskin, 3434 North Kenwood Avenue, Indianapolis 46208.

39:22Speaker 3

All right, Anita, you're on the clock. Your whole group has 15 minutes, go.

39:26 – 42:20Speaker 8

Thank you. The reason I'm here is because I want to share with you that the proposed project that has been presented by DTM and Redline Holding is not conducive or supported by the residents of the crown hill community as well as the neighbors and members of the board of trustee board of directors of crown hill neighborhood association and the reason why that particular proposal is not supported is because the conversations that we have had said that we are willing to support development, housing development, commercial development, etc. However, we are in such need of commercial real estate in that corridor, the 34th Street corridor. And so we have said we are willing to support this particular endeavor if we could have more commercial space. particularly the entire bottom floor of the proposed project to be commercial space or available for commercial space. And because parking is an issue and it is strained already, and we anticipate that it will be even more strained as the two-way conversion occurs, we're asking that they consider making the entire bottom floor both commercial and parking. We are also supportive of mixed use, mixed income for that particular development or any development as it relates to that so that we can create the density that has been steadily shoved down our throats. We need density. Well, if we have 99 units, And that's creating density. Where are those people going to shop? Where are they going to engage in commercialism in our area? More than likely, they are going to be just like, not more than likely, let me just say definitely, they will be more, just as we are right now, having to travel for miles to get the amenities that are so deserving. of the residents of the crown hill community and then of course that addresses the parking i'm going to defer my time so that others can speak and i thank you very much for listening to me i apologize in my haste i failed to share not only am i a resident of the crown hill community family's been there since 1952 i am also the president of the neighborhood association again i think which neighborhood association anita

42:20 – 46:13Speaker 2

crown hill neighborhood association you're the president yes sir okay god thank you for that yes sir hi my name is jonathan onura i'm also a resident of crown neighborhood association i've been there since 1985. jonathan you've been duly sworn you were sworn in thank you sir and i'm the uh The Chair of Land Use Committee. You're the what? The Chairman of the Neighborhood Association's Land Use Committee. Thank you, go. And 34th Street Corridor Committee. Got it. The ground here has been short of I mean, the neighborhood has been stripped of all businesses and so we've had this issue. So we've been working on it and created this committee to see what we can do to correct this. The 34th Street corridor and 36th and Illinois is a commercial node for us. We planned this long time ago to the point that we even, I mean, somebody cited that we had 2.5 that our plan said 2.5 that was 10 years i mean 11 years ago that we had that plan but we had since revised our plan So when they came to us in 2024, or before 2024, we explained to them that, no, this quadrant, 34th and Illinois, we decided that this quadrant, 34th and Illinois, is a commercial quadrant for us because we don't have any business in our neighborhood. People have to drive a minimum of five miles. They have to travel to get things. So we've been working on trying to get, we need... businesses in our neighborhood. And after we told them that, they just kind of snubbed us. And the 2024 change in the zoning code was not done without approval. They did not inform us when they did that 2024 zoning. And so we're still contending that zoning that was done in 2024. We need commercial node in that place. And they went behind us after we told them that we need commercial node here. They just kind of said, OK. And they went secretly behind us. change that recording from commercial to what it is right now. But just to remind everybody, this used to be Ritz Theater. So that was a major, large commercial node, commercial spot. So that whole area was all commercial, and we wanted, we were hoping that we were going to get businesses there. Everything's cleared up, we cleaned the place up, everything's ready to go. Flat land, you can't get anything better than that. You had to come, we even asked them, please, you can use somewhere else? Or if you want to use this area, well, give us some business. We said we would help, we would even participate in raising money so we can go to the next floor. We said we can go to five floors and give us ground floor so we can have businesses to grow on the ground floor. We need to incubate businesses, whatever small businesses, small business, things that will serve the neighborhood because neighborhood is strict. Our neighborhood people are very stressed. Everything you have to do in our neighborhood, you have to travel. and go and get needs. So we had a meeting with them. We asked them to give us ground floor, and we will support you to raise, go to five floors, and help you, we're able to raise money,

46:19Speaker 21

I just want to say this. What is your name? Charles Tony Knight, 3538 North Illinois.

46:25Speaker 3

Charles Tony Knight.

46:26 – 48:06Speaker 21

Right, 3538 North Illinois and lived there since 1987. Go Charles. Let me say this, a laundromat, a beauty shop, a barber shop, a dentist's office, an eye doctor's office. Just so you know, Flanner House has a bodega and they, before COVID, they were willing to work with us to put a bodega in our neighborhood that they could, would be a little bit bigger what they had and they could use it for storage for not only like a mini warehouse for our area and their area. So there are a lot of potential businesses that can go there. So all we're asking is just like in the 3,100 block of Andrew J. Brown, is you don't have to add any additional commercial space in which you already committed, but we want to leave it open and it can be for parking right now so that if a business comes and wants to put something in there, they'll be able to. We want it to be open like 3100 block of Andrew J Brown. We're not asking them to commit to more than the 2,500 commercial space they already committed to, but leave the ground floor open for parking will help you with another level so that you can have those same 99 apartments. And that's the compromise we're asking. And we're asking for you to think if you're in your neighborhood and you want to try to get that back to commercial, we're just asking you to do for us what you want in your own neighborhood. And that's all. We're not asking for more than that. And it's just a shame that they're not willing to compromise on that.

48:09Speaker 3

Thank you, Charles. Yes, ma'am, introduce yourself.

48:11 – 49:44Speaker 1

I'm Julie Circe and I live at 3168 North Capitol Avenue. I have four children and I am just pretty disappointed in how much disinvestment there has been in this neighborhood. And it is a documented food desert and pharmacy desert. We do not have people, there is so much commercial leakage in our neighborhood. People have to leave. I have a neighbor across the street who has to take a bus up to the 52nd Walmart to get groceries for her kids. She has to do that repeatedly because you can't get groceries for four kids on the bus. There's just so many ways in which we do need investment and grants to bring places like food back into our neighborhood so it's a walkable space. My kids often comment on the fact that the neighborhood we live in looks nothing like The neighborhood five blocks or ten blocks up, they're like, why doesn't our neighbor have a place like the one on 56 in Illinois where there's shops there that kids can go to? So I think I just want to point out that a high density development in an area completely devoid of walkable grocery stores, health clinics, or Retail options is not good planning. It concentrates vulnerable populations far away from essential resources that our neighborhood needs to thrive. And it compounds the disinvestment in our neighborhood. And so I would like there to be more collaboration between the developers and our neighborhood association.

49:44Speaker 3

Thank you, Julie. Yes, ma'am. Please introduce yourself.

49:49 – 50:38Speaker 7

I'm Stephanie Patterson. I'm president of the Butler-Tarkington Neighborhood Association. Got it. And I live at 416 West 38th Street. And I stand with the Crown Hill Neighbors and the Crown Hood Neighborhood Association Board in asking that you be willing to provide, A, appropriate parking. And I say this because on-street parking cannot be all the parking that you're including in your calculations. Because on-street parking there is precarious as it is now, and it forces people who already live there and are fighting over parking spaces to not have those. The other thing I'd like to say is we are a food desert at that part. Yes, I do live in Butler-Tarkington, but I live in the southern part. And we are a food desert and we are a pharmacy desert. And I would like to see better use of those sorts of developments for my neighbors in Crown Hill. Thank you.

50:38Speaker 3

Stephanie, good to see you. Don't go away. I got a question for you in a second.

50:42Speaker 3

We have one more.

50:45 – 51:37Speaker 10

Hello, my name is Annette Maddox. I'm a 15-year resident in the Crown Hill neighborhood. I'm also part of the Neighborhood Association. Also, I noticed that this particular development company have houses. They build houses in our neighborhood, but they do nothing to our infrastructure. They do nothing for our alleys. They do nothing for our streets or anything else to beautify our neighborhood, but they are making money in our neighborhood building homes. they're not doing it even if the state does have to chip in and fix our streets and give us street lights they never petitioned for them to do those things so i'm wondering what are they going to do when they get this apartment built in our neighborhood are they going to do the same not build not help our beautification not do anything to the infrastructure because they're not doing it now there's so many of their homes in our neighborhood you can't even tell that they're new homes so it doesn't do anything for our community thank you

51:39Speaker 3

Charles, you coming back?

51:40 – 51:54Speaker 21

Yeah, just so you know, we are part of the IU Health District, so that is also an option of hoping the IU Health District would be willing to open something in that building. So I just want you to know we're officially part of the IU Health District.

51:54Speaker 3

Charles, how far north is the IU Health District?

51:57Speaker 21

It goes all the way to 34th, but they carved in that whole corner.

52:02Speaker 3

I think it goes to 38th Street.

52:06Speaker 3

I think Charlesville goes to 38th Street.

52:08Speaker 21

Okay, but I just want you to know it's part of the IU Health District and that makes a difference too.

52:11 – 53:25Speaker 3

I think that's a good point, thank you. Questions for the remonstrators? Hold on, sir. Questions for the remonstrators? Anita or Stephanie, would you two come back up? Here's my question. four years and i don't know how many years but four years the ritz theater sat there terrible empty the whole area was terrible so i was thrilled i got torn down you've got to be happy that's gone are you not yes so what you're trying to get is more of a commitment on this 2500 feet on commercial that's what you're thinking yes we need more commercial space but Are you on the program that you carve it out of the parking lot and let the parking stay there, and then if something comes along, you do it? What's your thought pattern on that? Okay, so now we- And I've dealt with you two a long time, so I want to hear what you two have to say on this.

53:25 – 55:34Speaker 8

And we're really glad to be in front of you again and share our communities with you. What we feel is that we can create the density that has so eloquently been shared with us. The reason why we have no particular commercial development in our area is because we don't have the density. We're saying we are in support of bringing in the affordable housing, mixed-use, mixed-income housing, but please include enough space so that businesses can come in and not only give those 99 proposed units a place to shop, eat, and recreate, but the entire neighborhood. Right now, as you know, there isn't any place that people can go and do some of the recreational things that a neighborhood so deservedly should receive. And, yes, we've seen the... The degradation of that building, we were excited that it came down to make way for new opportunities. When I look at my community and more particularly that corridor, I promise you I don't see blight, I see opportunity. And we need to have the right type of opportunities so that all of the people, endured the disinvestment and endured the pain of not having a full neighborhood had to go through. So not only do they benefit, but the new people or new neighbors, residents that are coming in, they too will be able to enjoy the opportunities that having the right kind of investment in the largest contiguous parcels of land in our entire community can present, we want to make sure that everybody get a chance to enjoy that.

55:34Speaker 3

Anita, Stephanie, have you two met with IU Health? Because I'm curious about, Charles beat me to the punch on bringing them up. What are they saying?

55:45Speaker 7

Well, they're open to lots of things.

55:47Speaker 3

I'm trying to get them to go farther north toward Butler.

55:50 – 56:14Speaker 7

Well, we're just happy that they're close to us. So they've been open to a lot of things, and I think if we build it, they will come. But two things, we have to make it amenable to them. And B, we have to make it so that it doesn't burden the infrastructure of the current neighborhood, such as parking on the street would. So I think we have a lot of room for opportunity to discuss it, but we have to make sure that the place that they would be coming would be accommodating.

56:15Speaker 3

Now, Anita, when I walked it this weekend and then I walked it this morning, it's starting to look like a truck stop. What are we going to do about it? Have you guys seen anything about that?

56:24 – 56:35Speaker 8

Yes, we have been on them. We've placed notes on those trucks asking them to be moved. I know we've made phone calls, so yes, it does look disturbing.

56:35Speaker 3

I'm going to send a note to IMPD, are you all right with that?

56:38Speaker 8

I'm absolutely, please do.

56:40Speaker 3

I'll do that today.

56:41 – 57:39Speaker 8

And just if I may just quickly interject, so IU Health, the Indy Health District, it starts at Indiana Avenue as a southern tip and it goes all the way to Crown Hill as the northern tip. So we're really excited to have them as a. partner in this equation, so much so that they have supported a farmers market, a floating farmers market, where I serve as the CEO and founder of the Harvest to Home Indie Floating Farmers Market to, in a temporary fashion, bring healthy food choices and services to the communities. And all five of these communities, from downtown Indianapolis to Crown Hills, cemetery are in the same position where we do not have equitable access to healthy food choices, education, mental health, infrastructure. So they are very interested and they've been very supportive, as Stephanie shared.

57:40Speaker 3

All right, I'll be back to you two. We're going to move on to staff. Sorry, ma'am, I'll be back. You get five minutes left. Kathleen, you're on the clock, go.

57:49 – 1:00:55Speaker 4

Thank you, President Dillon, members of the commission. Before you today, there are two variances. There is a variance of use and a variance of development standards. Staff is recommending approval of both of those. And it relates primarily, particularly the development standards. Because this is an infill site, it does have some constraints in order to develop it to meet the current needs of the community. So that's the primary reason for supporting the development standards. But getting back to the variance of use, the variance of use would allow a large apartment building, a large mixed-use development. And in this case, it would be an apartment building that is not permitted in the D10 district. However, there is a transit-oriented overlay that indicates that there should be residential development near that transit stop and there's a transit stop just to the east of this site additionally as mr king had indicated the comprehensive plan recommends village mixed use and the village mixed use contemplates one to four story buildings and in that case it this development complies with that so for these reasons the comprehensive plan the tod overlay that staff is recommending approval of the use variance for a large multi-use building. Getting to the variances of uses, and I want to make it clear that staff appreciates the petitioner's representative working with staff to eliminate some of the variances. When it was initially filed, there were a number of variances or down to three. And again, as I mentioned, when you're into developing an infill area that's been developed years ago, but now the needs have changed. It makes it very difficult to develop that without some variances. And as Mr. Keene has indicated, there are variances related to the setbacks. Staff is supportive of that. There's a variance related to the perimeter yard. again it relates to space that's limited with an infill development site and then the livability space ratio staff again is recommending approval of those three variances they have agreed the petitioner's representative has has agreed with the two commitments that staff is recommending to keep the The property clean and trash free and also staff would like to see the final site plan and building elevations to be submitted for administrator approval. And as Mr. King had indicated, it would also require that the commission here acknowledge the withdrawal of the floor area ratio. Because again, the petitioner has worked with staff. and eliminated that variance. And again, staff is recommending approval of the variances and would be glad to answer any questions you might have.

1:00:55Speaker 3

Questions for Kathleen.

1:01:04 – 1:01:25Speaker 19

Go. Would a building of this type bring the head count up in the area where there would be an incentive for other commercial interests to come in and build on adjacent parcels? And is there room for that kind of thing in the immediately adjacent area?

1:01:26Speaker 4

In that area, there's some vacancies to the vacant land to the south and to the east of this property. So there would be an opportunity for other developers to come in.

1:01:37Speaker 19

And could it be said that those other developers would be more likely to set up shop with an increased headcount in a building such as this?

1:01:45 – 1:02:03Speaker 4

I would think that would be, yes. Staff believes that with increased residents, increased, like you indicated, headcount, that would encourage them and that would give them some security that any commercial development would be supported.

1:02:07 – 1:02:20Speaker 3

Final questions for staff. Kathleen, do you see any room to help my friends from Butler-Tarkington and Fall Creek neighborhood on their additional requests?

1:02:21Speaker 4

And that would be related to the additional square footage for commercial use, is that what you're talking?

1:02:26Speaker 3

Correct, correct.

1:02:28 – 1:02:47Speaker 4

Yes. Staff would support the expansion of the commercial use there on that first floor. And it would also, with it being on the first floor, you're going to have more pedestrian traffic that's going to be- They've committed to 2,500 square feet, am I right about that? Yes, approximately.

1:02:48Speaker 3

Okay, all right, back to our petitioner. I'm sorry, you have a question?

1:02:53 – 1:03:11Speaker 14

Yes, I have a question. Go ahead, I'm sorry, Commissioner. So there was a mention made from the remonstrators about the neighborhood being comfortable going to five stories. What is permissible in D10 in regards to building height?

1:03:12 – 1:03:29Speaker 4

That would probably, without having access directly to the ordinance, that would probably require maybe a height variance. But other than that, staff believes that going to the five stories would be supportive and would be compatible with that area.

1:03:29Speaker 14

So from the staff perspective, that would be what layer of additional effort from the developer team?

1:03:37Speaker 4

They would need to file for a variance of development standards for the height.

1:03:42Speaker 14

But staff would support that, yes, again. I appreciate that, thank you.

1:03:46Speaker 4

It gets back to the density and being able to bring some head count into that area.

1:03:51Speaker 3

Thank you. Final questions for staff? Petitioner, you have five minutes for rebuttal.

1:04:05 – 1:04:16Speaker 16

Hello, commissioners. My name is Jacob Morales, J-A-K-O-B. I live at 1315 North Colorado Avenue. Were you durably sworn, Jacob? I am.

1:04:16Speaker 3

You were sworn in?

1:04:17 – 1:06:30Speaker 16

Yes. Go. So I'm here in support of this variance of use. Reason being is because I'm here on behalf of Central Indiana Cycling and the Transit Riders Union. With that, we believe in increasing the amount of housing density near transit and supporting our many billions of dollars invested in bus rapid transit within Indy by providing more housing near these locations and more density. We believe this increase in density will help seed further commercial developments and make those kinds of developments more financially sustainable. At the current moment, the only thing that exists on that site, on that corner, looks like an auto body shop, I believe, some kind of used vehicle shop. And so there's definitely a lot of potential for that corner for uses that the remonstrators are looking for. It could definitely be a beautiful site in the future. And we believe that by bringing in more foot traffic, especially with all the affordable housing units provided, given our housing affordability crisis, this is timely and appropriate. And what the citizens of Indianapolis have been asking for for a long time, especially being in such convenient proximity to bus rapid transit. If increased density could happen, if they could go higher, we would support that as well. That would be great. I believe that could create more opportunities for win-wins with the petitioners and the remonstrators. We do not, though, support the consumption of more space. Given this current layout to be used for additional parking, looking at overhead aerial views of the area, parking consumes a large swath of land currently there. And if we want to promote density, we need to start infilling with land that people can actually live in or shop at. And things that actually will attract more investment rather than just lead to more of the same kinds of developments that we've been seeing. So with that, I thank you for your time. I'll yield to any questions if you have any.

1:06:31Speaker 3

Thank you very much. Mr. King, are you up?

1:06:37 – 1:08:14Speaker 12

yep so i just wanted to speak to a couple things this is a 28 million dollar total development that will be coming into this neighborhood offering 2500 square feet of retail as it was mentioned earlier there was one directly like within a few blocks of us that was um built in 2024 came online in 2025 i believe was 1600 square feet that's still sitting completely vacant we called yesterday to confirm On the call that we had recently with the Crown Hill and Neighborhood Association and Councilman Gibson, he even asked, hey, guys, as we've also asked, let this project be a catalyst project and see what we can attract here. He even asked on that phone call, let's put together a task force and see what end users we can get here in the space that they're providing as we do have two other adjacent sites that are here. that could attract other developers to come in to create the commercial and retail space and resources that you are absolutely asking for. As you all know, I'm sure you know, going above five floors, that increases costs exponentially. You're now going from wood to steel. And $28 million with the city already strapped for cash. We have a lot of projects going on to create the, we had to get very creative in the capital stack that we currently have to even make this deal pencil. So asking us to go another story, creating more space, losing income, because as you know, when we're submitting these applications, we cannot include income from any commercial space because it's not guaranteed. So that's already affecting our debt that we can already pull for the project that we're trying to build. And then Teron.

1:08:16 – 1:09:02Speaker 15

Teron Johnson with DTM as well. I just wanted to note that we actually didn't agree, disagree with the neighborhood. One thing that we actually got approved last year to go ahead and build a residential here. We came back, we're here today due to us trying to work with the neighborhood to put something there that they would be proud of as well. I think that's something that was huge for us. We obviously looked at their plan, which they noted was 10 years ago, but that was the plan that we've received to this date. We didn't receive any other plan and we went above and beyond that. So I think our plan was to come back and obviously work with the neighborhood and actually have them help us put some things in this neighborhood that they would like. So I just wanted to add that as well. Thank you.

1:09:02Speaker 3

Thank you. You have closing comments?

1:09:08Speaker 3

Time's up, I'm sorry.

1:09:12Speaker 3

Right on the number. Remonstrators, please come forward, you have five minutes for rebuttal.

1:09:17Speaker 20

President Dillon, can we pose questions to the petitioner?

1:09:20Speaker 3

You may. So if the- Hold on, Anita, we're going to ask a couple questions of the petitioner. Go ahead, Commissioner Murphy.

1:09:26 – 1:10:23Speaker 20

If the developers would come back to the podium, please. So one thing that I think I've heard from the neighborhood is that they would like to see the entire first floor, roughly 25,000 square feet, be either left unfinished, kind of a shell, or maybe the 2,500 be finished that you've committed to, and the rest be left as a shell for future build out, or that it be dedicated to parking. and then possibly because of that, go up to a fifth floor. And as you touched on, when you go to that fifth floor, you go from wood to metal construction, your costs go up precipitously, but you don't get any more rent because you're doing low income housing tax credits and the rents are capped at what they're capped at irrespective of the construction costs. Is that correct?

1:10:23 – 1:10:45Speaker 20

And then you have, I assume, in addition to the sale of the equity, do you have a permanent loan? Yes. As part of your capital stack? We do. So that lender underwrote this, right? And underwrote it based on a fairly minimal amount of commercial because you can't include the commercial income in your pro forma because it's so prospective.

1:10:46Speaker 20

And I assume that you had to do a market study.

1:10:50Speaker 20

And the market study demonstrated the demand for the residential.

1:10:54Speaker 20

But there is no market study or feasibility study that supports the demand for the commercial.

1:11:01Speaker 20

And if there were, you would be doing more commercial because it's even more profitable from a cash flow standpoint than the residential.

1:11:09Speaker 20

Are those all true statements?

1:11:10Speaker 12

Those are all true statements.

1:11:11 – 1:11:23Speaker 20

So the idea would be to increase the density of the neighborhood through this type of development And then possibly in the future, because of that density, attract commercial development to another site.

1:11:24 – 1:11:37Speaker 20

But as far as financial feasibility today, building 25,000 square feet of shell and kind of mothballing it in the hope that you someday have a paying occupant is just not financeable.

1:11:38Speaker 20

Is that a correct statement?

1:11:39Speaker 12

That is correct.

1:11:41Speaker 12

You're welcome.

1:11:44 – 1:11:57Speaker 3

Any other questions for the petitioners? Hearing none, demonstrators, you're on clock for five minutes. Anita, who's coming? Hi, please introduce yourself.

1:11:57Speaker 13

Hannah Pingle, 3167 North Capitol Avenue.

1:12:00Speaker 3

Hannah, have you been duly sworn?

1:12:03Speaker 3

You're on, go.

1:12:04 – 1:12:33Speaker 13

I just wanted to mention that there is the Indiana, or the Indy Health Department is doing a quality of life survey in our neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods. And to your point about their survey requesting more residential, a high result of that survey, the quality of life survey, is that people are requesting more commercial real estate, particularly things to aid in health like pharmacy, medical clinics, and food. So just wanted to mention.

1:12:35 – 1:14:11Speaker 8

And thank you again for allowing us to come back. I want to say that we're not here to get into the weeds because it could easily be done. There are people who are saying they support this particular project as it is written and presented today. However, these are some of the very same people who have never been to a neighborhood association meeting and learned what the many public meetings that we've had. to support what we're asking the commissioners to support for the neighborhood today again we are interested in having mixed use mixed income that we would support we are uh definitely for housing we're definitely uh interested in helping to walk alongside these uh uh... this is staying group to have them to get more monies to build it to the uh... a fifth floor we understand the uh... expense that that could provide to them and so that's why we're having these continued conversations uh... organizations such as i u health speaking with our city councils uh... to share with them and other organizations who could uh... actually provide the money uh... and so We know that it may seem like in our opinion that money is the motivator there, but I can assure you that the quality of life for the residents in our community is paramount, and we thank you for that.

1:14:15 – 1:14:47Speaker 10

Hello again, my name is Annette Maddox. I live at 3730 North Capitol Avenue. Thanks Annette. And I wanted to say that she mentioned on the call that something about the survey. Okay, when I was on the call I asked them how many people did they question in our neighborhood about what they wanted. I didn't get an answer. The answer was that they talked to organizations. They didn't actually talk to any residents. in our neighborhood to actually find out what we were asking, what we wanted. They're just now, you know, kind of getting that from us because they didn't ask us in the beginning.

1:14:49Speaker 3

Thank you, Annette.

1:14:52 – 1:15:44Speaker 2

Jonathan? Yeah, Jonathan Onora, yes, thank you. We are totally aware that going up five floors will cost more money, but we also are willing to work with them to raise the money. We know that it's going to cost more money, but you have to give us a chance to go around and ask for money. We need the development. We need businesses. And we're not against the density. We need the density, but we also need the businesses. So we need to work together to make both happen because the initial energy for that corner was commercial. You want more than 2,500 square feet? Definitely. 2,500 doesn't do anything for us. We need more than that because we need to incubate multiple businesses.

1:15:45Speaker 3

And you don't see this as a catalyst for that corner?

1:15:48Speaker 3

You don't see this project as a catalyst for 34th Street?

1:15:52Speaker 2

No, that's what I'm saying. We need this business, we need this development to be a catalyst for our neighborhood. Because we've been driving for more than 50 years.

1:16:03Speaker 3

Charles Tony Knight, yes sir.

1:16:04 – 1:16:58Speaker 21

Charles Tony Knight. Mixed income, mixed income, mixed income. We want there to be a mixed income development. We are willing to work with them so that this can be a mixed income building. We told the counselor that, they know that. that's a win-win for everybody to make it more where you talked about the bank and everything mixed income so i'm talking about the money and for it to be mixed income so there's a way to make this project with the open floor and going up another floor i know from wood to steel of metal we're willing to work with them to get that extra funding but we can make it mixed income which It's on the red line, you got IU Health Hospital, we want workforce, some workforce apartments too.

1:16:59Speaker 3

Remonstrators, you've met your time. Thank you everybody for your testimony.

1:17:06 – 1:17:29Speaker 4

President Dillon, sorry to interrupt, but I would like to address Commissioner Lyle's comment about the fifth floor. And it's always helpful to read the ordinance. I wish I knew all 650 plus- Please address Commissioner Lyle's question. And it was about the height. With a D10 district, there is no height limitation. So putting on that fifth floor would not require a variance.

1:17:31Speaker 14

Thank you so much.

1:17:34Speaker 3

Thank you everybody for participating. Thank you for Fall Creek and Butler Tarkin and being here. Members of the commission, go to your ballots.

1:17:47Speaker 4

And again, I'm sorry to interrupt, but there would have to be an acknowledgement of that withdrawal of that far area.

1:17:54 – 1:18:06Speaker 3

I've already been cracked by my sharp attorney here. Okay. Let the record show that we are acknowledging the withdrawal of the floor area ratio request. Thank you. Does that work, Kathleen? Counselor, does that work?

1:18:07Speaker 3

All right, you got it. Members of the commission, go to your ballots.

1:18:57 – 1:19:27Speaker 5

Companion variance 2026 CVR 8 to 1 second amended red line holdings X X 1 LLC there were seven ballots cast Six yes votes one and no vote this petition has been approved We'll move forward to our next hearing to the developers mr. King I Hold

1:19:28 – 1:20:23Speaker 3

Falk Creek, and Butler-Tarkington in high regard. I was the no vote. I fully expect you guys to deal with them. And then Anita and Stephanie, three of us are going to have a little visit with IU Health. So I will call you two and I will set it up and we'll go see them, all right? And I want to make sure that the developer is working with you. Now the good news is, those buildings that were falling down are gone and and you got to admit we got a better shot here than not so let's try to work together to get something going but you've got to be working with the neighborhood and i will be following up on that understood thank you all right anita i'll be calling you stephanie i'll be calling you nancy next one in the hearing please

1:20:28 – 1:21:21Speaker 5

Thank you, President Dillon. Our next hearing is a rezoning petition transferred by the hearing examiner for initial hearing. It's 2026ZON057 at 3709 East Washington Street. Center Township, Council District 18. Englewood Community Development Corporation by Joseph D. Cauldron requesting rezoning of 2.49 acres from the I2 TOD, C4 TOD, and D10 TOD districts to the D10 TOD district to provide for residential development. Would all those intending to testify on this petition this afternoon, either for or against? Thank you. Please raise your right hands. Do you swear or affirm on the penalties of perjury to tell the truth and nothing but the truth? Say I do.

1:21:21 – 1:21:51Speaker 3

I do. Thank you. Counselor, let me read the rules of engagement if I might. Petitioner has 15 minutes. Are there any remonstrators here for this hearing? You have 15 minutes to put on your case. I do not see any remonstrators. We're going to go to, Kathleen, is this yours? Yes. We'll go to staff for your presentation. Counselor, I'll come back to you if you need a five minute rebuttal, and then we will go to our ballots. You're on the clock, go.

1:21:52 – 1:30:35Speaker 18

very good thank you president dylan members of the commission joe calderon 11 south meridian here in indianapolis one of my favorite clients that i've had the pleasure of working with the last six or seven years is inglewood community development corporation they are a not-for-profit focused on developing opportunities for their catchment area which is basically runs east of downtown uh... several miles and one of the focuses that inglewood is uh... really spent a lot of time on are much like the last case infill opportunities and they have uh... developed a staff uh... that is very good at uh... creating partnerships with other uh... stakeholders in uh... their catchment area uh... as well as grant writing City of Indianapolis relationships state relationships with IHC da etc. And this is a project that Englewood is working very closely with several development partners including Shepherd Community Center which as many of you know is a very important anchor providing services to citizens on the east side. Specifically what we're asking for is to rezone some acreage from a few different categories to the D10 zoning district to provide for multifamily development. If I can, if this is working or not. Might help, right? There. So it's about two and a half acres all told. And this is kind of the back end or the west end of Sherman Commons Shopping Center, which like many, older suburban shopping centers in a more urban environment now has struggled through difficult times and is seeking opportunities to redevelop. And in this particular case, this is what we think is another good opportunity to promote the transit-oriented development overlay ordinance. and by providing some much needed housing. Sherman Lofts is what the project name is called. And you can see kind of the stated reasons for our belief and why this is an appropriate rezoning and a good project. Much like the last case, the increasing density along the blue line that's being constructed can only help drive people and provide additional services. This project, being all affordable housing, certainly addresses that issue that our community and many places across the country face in terms of affordable housing. This provides some activation of the shopping center to which it surrounds. And then, as previously mentioned and just as important, helps provide some additional relationships with Shepherd Community Center and what they do in the neighborhood to their constituents. And why do you say that? Because Shepherd already has a facility. This project will have a building that will be dedicated to providing services as part of the project. So this is kind of an aerial view, and you can see the bullet points for the project. You can see the location outlined in orange, again, just to the west of Sherman Commons. You may recall that there was a 50 unit project that was previously approved at this address and there was a portion of this property that we're seeking to go to D10 that was included in that. What we're proposing is the same number of units. We are working with home funds and we're utilizing more of the site than what was previously zoned to D10 in 2024. As mentioned, the development team has a number of players, aforementioned Inglewood, Shepherd Community Center, You can see Maria Crow is the current property owner, and she has been very involved in making sure that this type of project happens. So just so you know, Shepherd projects that we've worked on include apartments at 50 Shelby Street, St. Lucas Lofts on East New York Street, amongst others. The 50 units will have a mix of one, two, and three bedrooms. We will have amenity areas outside and within the building. There is a main elevator, laundry availability on second through fourth floors. There are eight ADA units. The amenities outside include a playground, barbecue shelter, activity courts, and we're reusing an existing commercial building for onsite services and community space. We've worked pretty closely with the city on this project outside of DMD. Here's the elevations that you could see. We hope you find this attractive. We filed a couple site plans. This is the original one. What we've done since then is push the buildings back off of Ewing Street a little bit to provide a little bit more setback so we don't have to seek any development standards. We also eliminated some parking spaces to bring the project more in line with a one-to-one ratio. That's floor plan. This has got a $15 million budget. And as mentioned, everything within the complex is affordable. You can see it's a range between 30s, 50s, and 60s of the area median income. Here's the list of services that are provided by the project. And Mr. Green from Shepherd is here in case you have any questions regarding these. These will certainly provide significant benefits to the constituents of Shepherd and indeed the neighborhood. We've been out in the community. Councilor Jones I thought was gonna be here today, but she has expressed her support. nesco christian park obviously shepherd community center and we're last but not least very grateful to kathleen and planning staff for recommending approval This project should be a two-year time frame. We have sought a waiver with IHCDA to get our application in for a consideration of credits in the next round. Attached to the back of your printed PowerPoints are signed commitments. So we've already signed and tendered those. They match exactly what's in your staff report. We're grateful for the support and not to have any remonstrance and happy to answer any questions that you have.

1:30:35Speaker 3

Questions for a petitioner?

1:30:37 – 1:30:52Speaker 20

Counselor, what type of tax credits are being applied for? Do you know? Is it 4% or 9%? 9%. And are there staggered set asides, or is it all 60 and under, or is it 40, 50, 60?

1:30:52Speaker 18

There is a chart that had 30, 50, and 60 by unit type within the PowerPoint.

1:30:59Speaker 3

All right, thank you. Additional questions? Kathleen.

1:31:05 – 1:31:38Speaker 4

thank you president dylan members of the commission staff's comments will be very brief staff support is based upon the recommendations of that transit oriented overlay because it talks about multi-family housing with dense mixed-use neighborhood and staff also believes that this development will serve as a buffer between the residential that is to the west and the commercial there associated with that center And with that, again, staff is recommending approval of this resolution. We'll be glad to answer any questions that you might have.

1:31:38Speaker 3

Questions for staff? Hearing none. Counselor, you got five minutes for rebuttal if needed.

1:31:46Speaker 18

I don't think we did anything. Did you want to say anything, Jacob, or are you good? We'll let Mr. Morales say a couple words in support.

1:31:56 – 1:32:31Speaker 16

Please introduce yourself. Hi, my name is Jacob Morales, J-A-K-O-B, 1315 North Colorado Avenue. For the record, I'm here with the Central Indiana Cycling Advocacy Committee and the Transit Riders Union, a program with Central Indiana Cycling. We would like to show our full support for this development here due to the high level of affordable housing and conformance to transit oriented development zoning guidelines. We would love to see more of this in the future too. Thank you so much. Thank you.

1:32:32Speaker 3

Counselor, anything else? Members, please go to your ballots.

1:33:32 – 1:33:46Speaker 5

Rezoning petition 2026ZON057, Englewood Community Development Corporation. There were seven ballots cast. There were six yes votes, one recusal. This petition has been approved.

1:33:47 – 1:34:32Speaker 3

Congratulations. This concludes our hearing. Before we shut it down for the day, I have a couple comments. I want to recognize Someone I have come to respect and enjoyed working with very much. Commissioner Morarity has got a lot of personal business that he's got to attend to, so this will be his last commission meeting today. And I think it's very fair to say, Commissioner, we're going to miss you. Thank you. Good luck to you. Motion to adjourn. We are adjourned.

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