Planning Board - Regular Meeting

e e yes we're live sound well while say that I just want to let everybody know do the techn changes in the way the city does their Outlook online and the way we were doing it we're just faced with a problem and we're open to any suggestions to help us with this situation we it's not our intention to not have it live but unfortunately this meeting had to be because we're just not connecting with the city website but the meeting is being recorded and it will be posted on our website at a later time it's just that people on the outside won't be able to say with them well yeah that's although we are we are streaming just I know

you ready I want to call the March 11 2025 planning board meeting to order and uh at this meeting um I'm going to I'm going to change the format because of the number of people that's here I want to get some things out of the way and um so we're going to move up a couple of things one of the things we're going to move up is the revote as we said we would do for the color um public hearing so we're going to do that and we're ALS Alo going to let you know that State Street will not be here they're not coming tonight they're not on they're on the agenda but at the last minute um couple things came up and they're not able to they have issues with the code so had to go back so they're not going to be hereit tonight okay that's the first thing so uh we have two board members one is coming late and the other one [Music] so we have a okay can I get a roll call um Randall president pres Virginia president Eugene present Teresa present okay well all here okay can I get a motion to now you all got the information we heard the public we got your concerns we got your letters we read your

letters and we want to thank you so I would like to move to a motion to do a revote on whether or not we want to have a public he quote the doc at col you have a date um um is this is ail [Music] April 6:30 7 s informal meeting CC from 6:00 p.m. so the days we have open is the 4th which is that Friday and we do I thought we do theous yeah okay and we're gonna have if if this vote pass it'll be at the firehouse yeah um but you're looking at the firehouse right now yeah we're trying to get a date for them um if we pass let's so it's got to be the 4th the 10th the 14th are they Tuesday [Music] or okay I'm I'm G to give give the dates four I would say Friday which is a Friday 10th is a Thursday 11th is a Friday 14th of the Monday this is April 6:30 7 17 18 is

Thursday and Friday 6:30 yes would not be able to do the 14 this is April right yes April Fridays April 10th the Thursday it's Thursday April 10 oh that's fine April what Thursday yes all right can I get a formal motion I make a motion that we revote for the uh public hearing and that well we got to vote on the public hearing but if it pass if it I try to yeah that if that if it passes that we do that meeting on April 10th okay so let's vote so let's vote Randall public hearing for no made the motion so I second it I second it all in favor any post any names any names okay so we all y pass okay that's it okay yeah Thurs the 410 6 and we're going to try and do at the firehouse and if for some reason we can't because we haven't checked with them yet um we'll notify you yeah we're posted okay all right now can

I get a motion to open public hearing for the boulevard that's 11719 and 121 fa Avenue I make a motion and I'll second it all in favor are they here do we have any public coms on the boulevard not on they will not online that way oh and I support the I think it's a great pleasure that okay thank you okay so we don't have any but we can't keep going line so um all right so can I get a motion to continue the public hearing for the boulevards for what is the next one what meeting April 7 do you have you spoken to the do you know where they are for waiting on new information yes we waiting on new information get okay so we give it to for name it's up to the board so you want to give they you all understand that the B box have not will respond to to what they need okay [Music] to something two weeks have they submitted all the documentation no what are we waiting for um there was an outstanding engineering letter outstanding attorney letter letter and they respond es es next month okay so you want do it for next month or

may yes I'm I'm saying why don't we just put them on to continue the public hearing after next month have information if they don't then we just so what's that April 8 April 8 April lot for somebody else right yeah so why don't we just put them off the neck get somebody else ready okay let's let's vote on April how many people want a motion to to continue to continue them April uh the 8th second no all in favor and I no no only two people are saying yes and right now well no we seconded so your vote the motion made second V on okay okay fav all in favor of April 8 continuing n n okay motion the doctor say it yeah not so all of okay so that failed continue them all in favor of continuing them May May 13th May 13th need a motion motion [Music] second so eyes four and they can submit new information before then and we'll just be on for Workshop no in the way right

okay can I get a motion open up the public for Mill Street LS motion all in favor are you [Music] here okay I want to make an announcement that so will not be discussed T I'm not taking public comments I'm not making any we've already made our comment that we're going to have a public but they're not discuss yeah have a public next month but [Music] not oh it's going to be on April what was it we can we can talk about the agenda whether you're ready to be on or not there was no new information for the V to discuss at this point so I would expect that you won't be on the agenda and they just be the public hearing let us know yeah and then after the public hearing you'll come back into agenda well that you were only on the agenda for the vote that's nothing more okay y have a good evening yeah next month you know is going to be on 6:30 let you for sure it's going to be at the firehouse we're looking at to the firehouse and we should be you know prepared to make a short [Music] presentation yeah okay M Street how are you I see you sent in a lot of

information so go with some of the stuff you sent in okay thank you madam chair members of the board carne Carney realy group Andy learn of CPL the project civil engineer uh we have a number of updates that will go through this month as part of this month's submission um we have updates to the renderings uh based on feedback we received uh last month as well as updates of the site plan we did propose an alternate facade design and we'd like to get any feedback that the board may have on that um as well as a number of site improvements and advancements that Andy can walk through y all right so I'm just going to step through you know some of the comments very quickly address in your comments um starting with we sent them remember we got we we took them a whole bunch of comments from the public from us and they've addressed every last one of them so they here tonight why don't we invite the folks that are standing out there to sit down seats now I don't think thank um so starting with the tree clearing comments about um adding additional clearing behind retaining walls we did adjust that uh based on your comments we we pulled that tree line back slightly um mostly in this area the um behind building uh one uh but at the same time we also tightened up the the tree clearing limit um on this end over here uh at the end of building two where we were clearing more trees than we needed to um so overall there was just a slightly slight reduction in the tree clearing that's required can ask question we been taking down trees there has anyone been taking no we we've had some tests that may have

resulted in some small trees not it looks like somebody's doing clearing over there our T pits were done for a while yeah they've been done for a while so I think at last summer maybe maybe the fall yeah well maybe it looks that way because um there's no needs on the right that's possible you want to get over here when you so everybody can see just get right behind um the public can see sorry just by way ification where you got the green those are trees sorry this what I'm pointing at right now is the Landscaping plan propos the big green circles those are trees okay push the chairs then I'll push them out of your way and everybody see yes where you got green sort of in the rectangles that's that's other the plantings yeah yeah these are all plantings okay yeah so um uh yeah so uh just I guess while we're looking at it um one of the changes that we made uh board had requested some plantings in in the uh the center of the parking area we had previously proposed that to just remain as a painted asphalt area we we since revised that to be a planting area with some shoves um we were also able to add some more plantings along the front of each building as as the corner here we

created a landscape island in the corner where it was previously proposed it just painted assphalt and then we have additional plantings along the frontage of the tree what type of plantings are those little round trees um the little round you have sorry which one the one you just point [Music] that R and big TW gosh um probably about rles are probably about 30t I believe okay where's the sidewalk or which way am I looking where's M building where is street street yeah so you're gonna have big trees along where's the sidewalk sidewalk is is right here woman Frontage on the this will be South West okay when people are entering and exiting with those trees block the vision I don't believe so um we have there's there's a pretty wide entrance here per you know per design requirements um they would be able to pull up here and have a fairly Clear Sight line of sight in both directions but that would effectively kind of screen your complex from the occup house across the street it's not going to make it invisible landscap it'll sof um right so that that was pretty much everything we had on the um on the tree clearing limits um the trail um we we were when we originally proposed this we didn't really have any detailed too in the area so we kind of showed a straight line um from the end

of Third Street down to Mill Street now that we have toppo we realize that that's not realistic because the Soaps are very steep so you're talking about the ramp that you going to to go all the way up this well so the trail we're talking about from from the end of M Street or from the end of Third Street down to M Street right you're you're eliminating that um it it's going to be very difficult to construct so if if the board is okay with getting rid of it I think that would be ideos curves with curves it's going to be a very difficult right was ever there before there some there was some stairs and P but I don't think it was constructed by the city or anybody else I'm not 100% sure there just people going up and down the hill go to the Ball Game softball games or soccer games down on the L field but that was 40 50 years ago okay so you know like I said based on you know the details that we''ve been Prov looking at like just us Forest Service Trail construction details even though you have a maximum slope of 10 to 15% the slops in this area around 50 so it's going to be a very challenging Construction Control on that well we would it depends on whether or not the board still wants is Will to us remove the trail if we if we do we'll have to no but I mean as is you still have to do a road control don't you oh as part of the project oh absolutely we have full plan yes yes okay okay um bus service uh we did

provide a letter from the the um the County Transit uh service um basically they have existing bus stops um at the intersection of um state in second and Harry Howard and the Empire Trail so um you know roughly the bottom corner here and the somewhere over here where the trail intersects um the bus service um if if a resident can't walk to those locations they're willing to deviate their route up to 310 of a mile so our property is well within that distance what do you mean they're going to come down to um Mill Street and then come in front of your property right so they could come they would come into our complex and pick up that's what I thought say so I guess the confusion in the past was we were proposing to provide a bus shelter yes if any of our residents need can't access the current bus route they could call to get picked up confirm the building but the bus shelter was in the event in the future that demand in that area warrants extending the bu rout there already be a shelter there that the city wouldn't have to the county wouldn't have to pay for provide right that's what you're going to provide the shelter so we're we're proposing we are proposing um a bus shelter at the existing trail head here at the intersection of Mill and Second Street um and the sidewalks would allow you know provide safe access for resents the rendering is a little bit you know misleading this is actually grass here but whose land is it's the city's property spoken to the city about spoke to the DPW and they have no issue with putting this area so the people will have to walk all the way to

the for individuals who can't access the stop they can still call um but here we thought it was more convenient one to uh eliminate bus traffic on Mill Street it allows the county trans ation not to have to make any turnarounds and they can continue on streets which the County transportation prefers and it makes it more than just the midd street or Charles Park bus stop and also is readily available for the do and how far in advance do they have to like the bus company now if they need to get done says within 24 hours okay that's Reas school buses I'm assume that be kids just still be able to come closer again they can come into our site and turn around ahead continue okay so um so as far as a turnaround at the End of the Street um we kind of talked about the fact that the buses can turn around in sight um we've already designed and show that a fire fire Access Fire vehicle can come in and turn around emergency vehicles can come in and turn around in our site um we're minimizing traffic to the extent possible on Mill Street as much as we can um So based on that um we we don't feel that the turnaround at the end is absolutely necessary for our project we are proposing to improve what there um and what am I figing and then we also have you know we understand that construction of AAC um based on your Consultants recommendations is possible but we do have concerns that um constructing the the culac over the existing Trail at the end which would be required could

potentially be alienation of park that's on right but didn't we talk about that with the um yeah we did talk about with Andy and there was space between the rail trail and City owned property where Christian can speak to it but where there appears to be room to put in a turnaround yeah what he's saying is that the trail which goes down Mill Street it goes down the RO there's no separate Trail continues on through um and there's a potential saying that that would be alienation that you need to go through because it is the trail because we would have to build on a portion of the trail that's beyond the existing Ballers it's not city right away think this wouldn't this be beond the the right of way goes beyond the edge of the road I mean we may want to have a me talk about so the concern is that you're bringing a lot of extra people down the road so if they overshoot your projects delivery trucks they get to the end there's they're stopped the city's going to be eliminating the parking lot so it would be pretty hard to miss this say well just to ensure the safety and the general welfare of the community I think you should reconsider that CL mean it is a down street truck we had to back down the street and you but just completely frame it we we won't have any traffic for whether it's emergency uh school buses our tenants going down to the end Ministry everyone can come into our site and turn around in addition any any fire service accessing M stream prior to our site can utilize our site to turn around and leave so we're we're improving the turnaround that's currently there we're

proposing to improve it um but do a full hold act we're also doing the additional improvements on Military um which I don't think we got into yet but we're extending the sidewalk sidewalk all the way down to the Second Street well see you're going on the premisis that everyone that comes into your complex is going to parp in your complex that's not going to happen you're going to have people that's going to park there and you have plenty of people that's going to visit and uh how many how many what do you have how many 70 okay times that by four so you're going to have people come in visit park at the sidewalk now they have to go all the way up and turn around so you know I really do believe you need to be considered Co it was also a condition of Seeker I believe was it well condition of your have you have the main driveway here is that a secondary driveway back by the this is The Pedestrian Crossing okay so there's only one really main driveway into and you know the cite is crucial to the density that you're going to bring into that area you know you you just can't assume that everybody's going to come into your area off that's not so they're going to parking the park the sidewalk or whatever but a KAC would help alleviate that traffic going in to turn around and just go to the end and you can do it have you spoken to the school district and the fire department because in I'm not familiar with Hudson school district and their busing policy but some buses won't go and turn around on private property something that they will do here I don't think they do they go into the towers to turn around I mean to the towers no they they stay on the street right so they're

going to need a turn you're right exactly well I think I think you should you know got the letters from you said the fire department the bus company would we need a we can reach out to the school district for the fire department we're showing the turnaround access we need a letter from for what not to do it I don't know showing full full movements I the bus is when they go to Bliss Towers where they pick up a lot of children they do not go into they stay on the street is that also for special needs children they the door you know you don't so you know this is something we talked about is really would like to okay can continue would it make sense to have an offline meeting I think you know okay so we um with Teresa we'll get the city mayor I think should Harry we all get any questions from the I can just run to real quick uh usable open space we did provide a letter from this code enforcement officer IND that that's all set no no further variances are required um we did show ESS locations all the buildings that's complying with building code requirements uh we do have the updated renderings as requested last time oh yeah that's the updated one yes and what why and what are the changes what's the rationale so the most the the latest rendering the Landscaping

plans were still being finalized we didn't have all the Landscaping shown I think the hill was incorrectly shown but you're saying about question so yeah we gave another alternate as the bad board has an inclination the first rer the second but what was the rationale for the second I mean because see those trees they would not they they no I'm talking about the facade of the building itself not the Landscaping yeah so when we started we had a single color of plank sign right because that besides masonry is pretty single we thought it didn't translate as well with the larger building so we tried to break it up we had the brick breaking up vertically on the first floor and we added another break on the third floor with the change of materials Bard and bat uh it's a little difficult to make out so you have brick you have Plank and then board and B and it also shows that the building is below the height of the Hill that's there now it's difficult to show in the rendering exactly how it is but the the ground at the top of the hill is 20 ft higher than our roof line and that's not then you have the trees which and then 20 to 30 fo High trees now your sidewalk is it's not taking up the street no it'sing the street well we're winding the street slightly and we're exing the sidewalk from the edge of the street into

into it's going to go all the way down the street now y the street um dra one point that I do want to point out to you is drainage along Mill Street now um that's a long way to run curb you know cutter all the way down to the theater section yes it is um so whether you put some kind of drainage flumes in to get the water off the road um so it's not you know traveling 1200 feet or whatever the street is now that's the sidewalk with the guard rail yes the sidewalk the guard rail is just here where our site is where we have the um you know the channel that's conveying FL from Upstream through the site Below on the side that's the only other thing I just wanted to mention is that you had mentioned about the non-climbing fence last time we we just didn't get to it we we're working on we'll get that and you still have the path I want to see that path going to the back where you call it open space we do have that so the path in the back here is access via building to uh there be an elevator to the second floor and a door in the back that would provide access to just a little walking area with picking tables for the residents how big is that area um I'm not sure ah head they've got it on their plan um but it also has all that wood up there they have plenty of space so people go pnic back there oh yeah lay the grass Sunday do whatever they so so when you TR in on

the so when you tie in theet of the curve so the water doesn't run long dist will tie right into your in the back um we'll have to look at that there there is existing drainage you know City strish pipe that we maybe just tap into existing animals kind you could probably just shoot it off it depends on we are any more questions from the planning board I'm going to open it up to the public any questions about most Street I raise your hand same time sir when you stand up if you would uh give us your name oh Sor you can set up there my name's Jack building a house at 228 no Street okay moving in in six weeks coule questions and comments from the submission to this one first is a simple one on the aerial view did you add the still Basin right now it's shown as grass I understand it qualifies space but there's no visual for what the stilling Basin looks like whether it's full of water or just a of gravel and peer they said yeah they said work on it they bring it probably back next month but you want to answer that yeah I mean that's that's correct it'll it'll it'll be grass okay it's What's called the dry detension so it fills up stores water

and then it SE go back into the bike okay great can it ever over yes yes so what are you doing to it is in a flood zone down there so it will overflow I just want to make it better if we could we would money in it try to make it the best okay so it's grass thank you uh I had a question in the correspondence from December there was a recommendation that there be a wetland field delineation conducted uh the south side of this parcel is very wet as it crosses over into the keles parcel and as I understand thec updated its regulations this year to include new types of wetlands vernal pools uh rare plants and animals special Wetlands that are disconnected things like that uh increased scrutiny and regulation of wetlands so I was wondering for an update about that uh field delineation and just to point out if anyone wants to come visit there's definitely wood frogs back there it's about they're about to pop off so if anyone's wondering if it's very wet in the back and anyone is to come down so I mean I was just gonna I Wetland biologist look at it we had we had we had previously we had Wetland biologist look at it and we had it come back and we did not find W sorry what time of year were they there on the site um I don't know when he was there recently he was here recently for the the most recent request

I don't remember yeah so that would be relevant correct yeah the time of year it really doesn't matter the time of the year if it's a wetland it's a wetland and there's criteria that establish if it's a wetland there's hyd soils um whether there's water present they're soil types and they've got you know find all three or four you know three of the four it to classifi as and so you're saying they didn't that's what w biologist W biologist there no there was no ws and that's supp but we we've got that on website that report yeah I didn't see that in the record that's do you have you have a report a letter the original did you upload it we'll double check and we get the new report but just to be clear the new Wetland regulations came into effect January 1 it did change the type and quity that the state regulates but it the new rights don't apply to the project that's at this phas already in development so if this were starting brand new we'd be working under the new Wetland regulations but because this has already been under review and they have under the you're the what PRI okay um we're going to take somebody else you can come point I do think that the confirmation from the county that a bus will service that corner is very important asking 60 70 people who don't have bus service who don't have cars because the parking lot is not sufficient for the 100 plus people who will live in this development to request on 24 hours notice that a bus come Pi come up is not acceptable to this project we need confirmation that a bus will stop in that corner appreciate it's

at that um I think there's something the 24 hours they would come to the building some there's no confirmation that it'll come to that corner right right they want do that until there's demand sufficient to accept well you're building the demand so we're asking that the bus come to that corner we're building the shelter at that so the demand warrants stop won't make that determination and that's um what that's under theit okay any anyone else I have a few things number one I think the building is totally out of proportion for where you're building up number two I think a black top of that size when it's 110 degrees this going be a very uncomfortable place for people number three you have a parking space for one person in that family so they can't have two cars because they won't have anywhere to put the other car so if someone's going shopping and it's 4:30 and it's December 18th and it's cold you can't really carry shopping bags down from State and second so this place needs proper Transportation public transportation and no public bus is going to take a call from somebody here and come down and pick them up that's we all know that that's ridiculous behind the wherever you're talk is is where you're talking about the the place for people to have picnic tables and enjoy themselves that live in there is that the wet part that you're talking about is it

behind everywh no no that's something okay um I'd love to know what what you've done energy-wise for these people in terms of is there solar are you using new green methods of heating tooling what what are you offering the people in in the building okay in terms of energy saving and that's it you want to [Music] answer start the uh these buildings will be lead certified uh will use geothermal for heating cooling and water and there's a few other standards that think it's Enterprise GRE plus um which talks to our envelope exra so there'll be extremely green that's good news playround Nicole please we're going give somebody you ask me I think there are a few things here that put you come back after other people okay thank you who's next but there is a play but there is a yeah come on there's a playground across the street right between two buildings okay we got the gentleman could you give Oh Nicole what was your name Nicole address 39 Allen Street Nath York I two questions there's like several layers of Le certification you certifi which Sil know what you're actually to there um lowend are pretty basic excellent and then the second question I have is pedestrian access and

just making sure that this development is like connected to the GD that people are couldn't be able to walk to the the core hson um um sound like the app is committing to sidewalk to Second Street there's not a sidewalk from there up the hill um on second um and sound like was talking the other sort of things con this development strongly believe connected to the rest of the city not off own accessible especially well I think they all Conn they put in a side walk all the way to um Second Street but there never was one building like but but there homes there now but not at this you know that sloke does not allow that okay that's that's going to be pretty you know that's that's going to be pretty Hy put something here have anyone ever seen the slope there I that halfway up and and I'm stuck that Hill is like exactly walk up with no sidewalks and catch a bus in the with their grocery How's that gonna happen these are resents these are people that are living with us sidewalk N Street well right now what they're really trying to do is they they've done a lot they've connected sidewalk bringing the bus traffic down I mean some you will get some things you won't can you answer that first question he have the first question certification yeah so we we typically hit uh gold so that'll be kind of The

Benchmark um we haven't gotten Platinum yet but our last six projects that are under construction are utilizing geothermal we a shot at it but Jenn jennif Jennifer belon forthward council member um I represent the people that live there in M Street I was down there this weekend talking with people uh no one I spoke to thought this was a great idea um some of them pointed out some things to me that were very concerning um one of the things is that there's no fire hydrant down there is there going to be a fire hydrant we're building extending the water line through the street the sidewalk that you're putting in does it go through the Kelsey property no it's fully on the RightWay okay that's another one one of the people I spoke to was very concerned about her privacy um because the buildings are so high and the the buildings on the other side the street the small houses are very short she feels she said to me which I thought was so poetic and so poignant and so right on that you're burying her while she's still alive thank you could stand up Sean Rolland 500 Clinton Street um had a question first of all I just wanted to say I'm generally supportive of the project and um I had a few questions one for the board does the board have perview over like aesthetic decisions like what the

facade of the building looks like some some I guess I would yeah like to put on record that I think that a lot of work could be done to make the facade much more attractive um so I would encourage the board to ask for additional renderings or um color ways and really kind of delve a little bit into materiality um I think any time that you add to the fabric of a city you know that's going to be there for the next 100 years and it should be interesting and attractive so I think housing is important but I also think like making it attractive is important so encourage you can write in I think for me the the best way to kind of visualize is just ask the applicant to provide some different options so that then you know then those could be considered and you know you guys seem professional and have great resources I'm sure to be able to do that sort of work and I think that might um help a little bit uh for at least the public to feel like I've heard that a lot in town from other folks like oh it's ugly it's like well let's work on that let's Workshop it um so that's one comment that I had but um yeah I just wanted to share that and I guess my other question or thought is that the while the walking or winding path up to Third Street Sounds hard or expensive I think it would that was something I I'm really excited about when I first heard about the project and being someone who has walked through that field to get that access I think that would be a really amazing you know contribution to the city Hudson so I understand it would be hard but I also think you know nothing nothing

that's worth it is ever quite easy so I would encourage the board to consider making that requirement project um or at least uh a study so that hard is not a quantitative analysis so let's hear about what it costs and if it's not if that the whole project and that's one thing but I don't think is really quite specific enough for the bo to take determination thank you sir Henry um I'd like to Echo what a few people said about the cutting this place off from U pedestrian traffic it seems very unfair to the potential residents there to not do not have a continuous foot traffic flow to the city you're down very Steep Hill on North 2 and putting the steps back in at North Third which were built by the residents in nor third and before they were built by the residents of North Third that was one of the first city dumps at the end of Third Street so you saying there were steps there every form they were very crude but there were wooden steps and a little path down to that field yes it's extremely steep but if you're building this massive structure two massive structures I believe you could probably find some sort of renderings or a little bit of planning to put a connection to the city it seems very unfair to have no pedestrian walkway to a unit that's going to have 70 potential residents or 70 units uh second um are you raising the grade of where your first level is in terms of where the field is now because it is spend in a flood plane for forever um and it's going to flood again

and because it will flood again are you taking out your building material for the first several feet of that structure mainly the first floor and what are you going to do with your basements that are your geothermal system is going to flood eventually I I I don't see why we're the sorry the planning board is considering an option to build 70 units in a flood zone it's going to cost an extremely high value of repair when this floods when we have another Irene or the like the buildings themselves are being raised up out above the almost to the level of of of of M Street M Street I'm sorry to cut you off but that was underwater several times yes the the parking the park across the street the playground has been underwater several times which is a few feet higher than the Mill Street itself we're comping with requirements for compensating for fill that we're putting in into the flood plan which is not the full s would you say that again I'm very sorry I didn't understand we're fully complying with all flood plane development requirements including compensating for any field that we're placing in the flood plane which is not the full C do you have confidence in the way it's written now doesn't sound like it oh we have to if it's not written well and it is not going to accommodate safety then why follow it you have in front of the buildings you've placed a nonpermeable surface if it's a nonpermeable surface and it

floods and you're above grave that's going to flood the houses across the street that have been there and they worked really hard to be there you also have 70 units that without proper flow to the wastewater treatment facility they will that is human effluent that will be in that parking lot just Bing in the sun when that water isats when you submitted the pl you had that they that you going to take care of flood on your side going to make it better get we can't make it we can't get rid of it right we are not we're based on the Cs we have we not make it any worse that's all we can do part of it is making with people we're managing our storm water underneath our parking and then we're making this drrive Basin the drive Basin to OV excavate in the flood plane area to allow more area on our site to FL than in an effort to balance the development in the flood plan but also miate andet there's there's extensive flooding there anything we do on the site is we're not going to be adding to it we're going to be helping it by OV Excavating in the flood plane area how much that helps if someone's house gets blooded right now be noticeable and any of the storm water their new pavement surfaces they've got an underground attention system to handle all the SCH from their perious

Serv system so yes it is pervious they have underr system to hand I didn't understand said sorry anyone everyone else get that yes there's an underground detention system it's basically like a chamber that holds water so that when you know rain falls it's collected and stored in that underground detention system so any of the new impervious surfaces you know your concrete pavement asphalt will be collected and detained in that system and that's going to be I'm sorry next to the facility and like a that's retention Pond or a catch Bas underneath underneath the parking underneath the parking lot right y just doesn't seem like the right spot to have this in Hudson and this Blood plane the city has been um following the 100e flood plan since I was on the council and I think before um that was a study that we spent a considerable amount of money on in the city and it doesn't really sound like this drives with that any other council members remember that council president so you said sounds like it but you're not sure I am I'm being fous it does it absolutely is not following the 100e flood I believe it's six feet it's 11t in that area Over the River elevation 11 okay so this is not in that this is well below that what's your building set at 19 20 your first FL elevations are 20 are 20 above the river no elevation 20 okay so it's 20 above the river

basically abely is not over 20 ft higher than the river at Mid time these the elevation of the river is probably what five or six you don't know above above sea level the map High the FEMA maps that we are basing our design off of indicate that the 100-year flood plane elevation in this location is 11 so we are placing our first floor elevations at 20 and everything go what level people go ahead I think you're supervisor must been last week made a really uh a good point where you know you've got Hills on three sides of this they all lead into that spot all the water runs down there I know this because I live on the hill that leads to that spot so it runs through my house and down there so I I'm telling you I think this like you said this is a it's it's a good project in the wrong place it's the wrong place it's a flood zone when you say this out loud we're built 70 units in a flood zone with a nonpermeable surface in front of it it doesn't it doesn't it sounds crazy it doesn't make any sense you want to go the act the actual FL flood zone is is on our map it's right here you probably can't see it the actual flood zone is only in this

portion of the proper so that's only the lower fraction of the site and they raising the elevation well above that and if mold grows in your building where are you going to move all of the people that already live there they're going to be unhoused people sorry okay we're going to um I think we have other people that want to ask questions so um let me make a statement the Hudson River in Hudson is 2 feet above mean sea level so that means the mean sea level is zero Hudson River is about 2 feet it's got a title range of about 4et so what's up 6t 4T the direction so that's 8T to um so that means their building is 20 feet above or 18 feet above mean water elevation and this is the consultant so please you know you can take information and screw it any way with but we have to go by what we the facts we're going ofs okay so who's next go ahead my name is Rob Bogle 31 Allen Street uh it's a great discussion and there's a lot I would want to agree with but I want to kind of underscore one really important point you creating an isolated Community for underserved uh uh citizens yeah uh so the issue of transportation is not just incidental it has to be a clearly articulating plan and really think about first mile Last Mile could be some people have two cars in the PO but some people may have no cars right and so how do we deal with the fact that they're going to be living outside of the network of the city on a dead end road so I would I would just

say to the board toore the importance of a transportation solution that really is human centered not transportation system Cent you how do we get people from this point to other places in town they need to go okay and it's a solvable problem and a lot of communities have addressed it and so there's a lot of examples that what we can learn thank you thank you anyone else s yeah Tony Stone first a um couple good points here um excited to hear the building all electric uh and I fil free um you have a basic question just about your layout of the building do you guys ever consider having the building blush with the street um it seems very odd for all the neighbors that are on that street to just look at a parking lot that's lit 24 hours a day um it kind of goes against the historic character of Hudson um you know I've seen other projects that are more successful seven Street project that Galloway is finishing even the State Street project Fair Street project those are flush with the street this sort of seems like a holiday in in the middle of the residential area and it just seems there could to be a smarter way to deal with the layout and have it integrated into the into the character of the community um so you guys of that thank you yeah so the the layout we as you can imagine we we've been through many different iterations of the layout we settled on this version for a couple of reasons one is because of the the channel that we have to construct to convey flow from Upstream through the site the other reason is to try to keep as much of the buildings out of the flood plan as possible by placing it up closer the build up to closer to the road it results in more significant portion of the building in the FL so pushing it

back keep it up the hill into the hill keep as much of it out of are you saying it R in the park or how does that work how what's the difference if it was more fress you also say the building lower than really about is the horizontal not necessarily the vertical we're just trying to keep it out of the horizontal plane put as much as possible all right thank you very much I mean one followup too just to Sean's point I do think materials your three different materials one different per floor that seems a little odd and certain materials don't age as well I mean I would you know suggest materials like brick all the way through so it's substantial building there's Unity it's not fading you know uh materials that are made out of all sorts of synthetic um you said Bard and bat on the top yeah it's all fi but think something more substantial to show thank you sir thank you sir we try to move on okay still you know you can write you can write in if you like we do fall with the comments to be I asked very few questions you did cut me off anybody else uh any more questions did you ask a question I don't think I have oh um I just wanted to name oh Nick zos um I would like to just reiterate because I think um it's very often hard for folks who are housing insecure on house speak at these meetings to just remind everybody that we're in a housing crisis we desperately need housing and this is one of the projects that's going to provide that housing and um it's super important I think a ton of great issues have been brought up here tonight I think connecting it to the grid is

really important any way that trail can happen that would be great um it doesn't sound like everybody understands the way the bus system works here no we have a a bus system that's been worked on very hard by a few local people and it's growing all the time and is funded and you do actually Nicole call and request a spot and that in the bus the local providers who provide bus service here come to that spot and at a spot where there's more people if it's an obvious need they will put it on the list but they're not going to put it on the list before the need is there so as soon as it happens they can you know it's a dynamic process where they can pick up people all the time in a new spot more people move to one area they can go there if an individual family moves somewhere where there's not a bus service they'll switch and they'll start going there so it's it's very at sounds like you have the ability for those buses to turn around at your to do to go around then you'll have that so the people there I think if you can get walking access whether it's a sidewalk or a path going up Third Street and you have the bus service that's going to be huge for the people here and it is going to connect to everything um and just a question to clarify some of the other things who are the long-term owners of this building we are so e e

you ra your hand [Music] sorry um Tiffany you want to give us so I just want to say you know I agree with a lot excuse me with a lot a lot of what people were saying today and um I am a person that does not drive Mee to my illness so I do rely on public transportation so yes you can fall to find out such things like if the bus past you already things of that nature but there are specific STS and one thing that I would say is you all were in charge of this is your project you should have a relationship with the person that is in charge of transportation and I believe that's M CH is um to have that just along the bus route and not something that people have to call right because that's going to be stressed on the bus driver right one person calls the bus comes now somebody else call they just left it should just be in the rout yeah we we're not making reservations for dinner so you're suggesting that the bus should come down there the bus should come just like a car would come down and visit the bus should come down and pick up the people go back up just like it can go all the way around just like it does throughout the city of Hudson and Greenport and going towards or it should just be in part of the roof nothing has somebody has to pull in that's ridic that's just making people feel alienated that's and and and I have to I

agree with both parties here when I was on the city council I did fight for that area to become a housing because it is needed and that was the argument that that it is a pled zone so taking in consideration you know I don't I'm pretty sure that's what you're doing but you know please be careful because we don't want to give people the hopes of here's your opportunity of new housing just to find a new house thank thank you okay we're going to move on this public hearing will be continued to be open so and you can always write in we do take your comments um okay so a motion can I get a motion to continue this hearing to next month April April 8 I motion that we continue the he from Street for April 8 2025 okay thank you have a good night the board has asked to take a minute or two so we're gonna get five minutes for the board just have a great thank you thank you all your hard work

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this 751 p.m okay so now um I told you in the beginning that State Street will not here and uh okay so and we already said what we what we're doing about K so we will be having a public hearing which will be held next month on the 10th of April 6:30 p.m. and we it be a firehouse it will beiz so now we're going to call the um Hudson Housing Authority which is at 41 nor2 Street to come and do their first presentation first thing I want to ask you is do you uh did you pay your actually I have the chck here I apologize my name is John first by the way I'm the attorney for the project and I was responsible for cutting the check unfortun my office did not have power um or he right here no no plus we're going to um uh we're going to do estro tonight so you you're going to be able to write another text yes I have two checks now I'll getd you and then what you do is you upload

the receipt onto our portal yeah when you get the receipt put it in the portal so we can know that St you you got to be able to let people pay my credit card cuz I that's coming bill is coming we're working on it do you want to put them over there so you can come on you want to come and over here he's going to move he's going to move or you can move your table up [Music] have do you want to come here you can see the presentation put on the mant

thank you apprciate iay they have presentations like this what would it take to put it I'm advance buts that oh when you're when you're ready just take that I'll just change I yes just can everybody see the the public should I move over there say ready yes M hello everyone my name is I'm the chairperson of the Hudson Housing Authority first of all I would just like to start out thanking you all for your time tonight I know it has been a long day for all of us and this is greatly appreciated and great Bey I would just like to give a little history of my background with the Hudson housing authority and the reason why I stand here for every single Last Tenant greatly missed family members friends Associates and old neighbors who have seen leave and never return even though they would love to for almost two decades or more now I was raised at the

Hudson Housing Authority my parents still reside there much of my family and the people that helped cre the incredible woman I am today I'm 37 years old and just moved out of my parents home at the Hudson hous Authority 15 years ago with that being said I cannot be any prouder of where we currently are and to have the Hudson Housing Authority present to you all tonight thank you all again for your time and now I would love to turn the floor over to the Hudson Housen authority authority executive director Mr Jeffrey do thank you R commissioner Smith and good evening to everyone and I want to thank the plan for allowing us to come before you again this evening um and I just want to share with you a little bit of history of HHA uh the Hudson Housing Authority alen operates two developments in the city Hudson Bliss towers of 120 unit n story building apartment building and a four building complex at 15 rwise Apartments located at the intersection of Columbia Second Street the developments were constructed over 40 years ago and based upon a physical needs assess they are Obsolete and require replacement HJ is also under contract purchasing smaller scatter sites owned by the Hudson community Planning and Development agency hdpa uh which will add to that project our master plan is made up of two phases that proposes the replacement of bliss towers and Columbia apartments with a total of 256 units of affordable housing this will include six town homes at the city owned sites which will Housing Authority is under contract as I stated before this will be a transformative project it will ensure that the existing res existing residents do not lose housing because of ab building conditions which we now endure it will expand affordable housing in the community the number of affordable homes uh will serve both lowincome housing

residents 100 units of extremely low income for households below 30% Ami and ensuring the city's most vulnerable populations can truly reside in equally decent quality and affordable housing we will also provide an income mix by providing households for housing for households with up to 80% of the air immediate income we also present the community will present the community with a sustainable project which will achieve the highest levels of sustainability incorporating geothermal and silver for the preservation of the future at this time I'd like to introduce Jeff John first John first who is our development attorney thank you again my name is John first I'm an attorney at Kat man and Ryder in Newberg New York uh local land use Council here for the Hudson Housing Authority so just procedurally I just so everybody understands we're on the same page uh you know this is essentially a pre-submission conference uh We've submitted somewhat of of an application we know we have more uh information that needs to be provided but the idea is and and your code permits these pres submission conferences this is not a good solution essentially it is yeah we still have some information to submit before we formally move forward so the idea is to get some more feedback from the from from the board uh the Housing Authority was here a few months ago many months ago I think they had a different project I think based upon the initial feedback from the planning board and the public they reduced the height they changed the amount of they reduced the amount of units they eliminated some subsurface parking um and again this is all in response to some feedback from from the planning board and the public so again so since this is somewhat of a new project they wanted to come back before the board before they made a more formal and much more informative submission to

the board um just in general this project is located in The General commercial zoning district and multif family uses just like this are permitted via site plan approval from the planning board Factor code specifically calls out for uses like this uh specifically for low income housing that's owned by a municipal Housing Authority so here we are for for you know eventually a site plan approval process before your board I'm going to then turn it over now to the architect the site civil engineer we also have a traffic engineer here as well but the architect uh can give you more of the details about the project then then I'll over now thank you very much uh I'm Alex gorland um about alander gorland Architects based in New York but we've worked uh around the country and are have done a lot of affordable housing in the city in the Bronx 500 Nehemiah town houses in Brooklyn that are prefabricated so um it's wonderful to have this opportunity to come up to Hudson and and uh do work up here um so the concept of the project is to take down um Bliss Tower which is deteriorating which is here so this illustrative model shows the phasing um and so also the Columbia Apartments would be maintained as well well see that uh so Bliss Tower would stay while phase one in two sections will be built and then when it's completed the people in Bliss Tower and Columbia Park departments will move into the first phase so nobody will be displaced and then phase two will be built hopefully um so it will be creating a courtyard

instead of a tower so the tower took up the space uh which precluded making this a usable open space and the idea is to create this open space of two ACR which is an offering to the city um which can become a park uh you know to join in the public amenities of the city uh as well we're proposing to pedestrianized State Street uh which would still be open to emergency vehicles but using um New York state do guidelines to pedestrianized it in a way that rather than become a barrier between the two phases would become a center for uh public use and it would actually become a new center for Hudson New York so uh that's the concept of the two phases uh the aerial view shows U also the changes made in response to earlier requests from the planning department um oh that here so the buildings were originally seven stories and uh there are now all five stories and four stories so it's in scale with the neighborhood um and then also we've removed some parking under the building but added parking in areas around uh as well as behind uh to make that an amenity for the people living in the building so State Street is the colored yes State Street colored yes it's a terracotta it has not been designed in detail but it shows the idea of uh closing it off but at the same time to open up the street an extension of Northeast First Street uh a first street so that traffic would not be impeded it would flow around through here and what kind of um

commercial would there be like a supermarket would there be Services provided within the complex for the residents like groceries Supermarket the ground floor it has amenities depending upon who we can find to Le the space yes there is commercial Haven had anybody make commitment yet but we have talking with some people that are interested Roy rer was one of them um to so we can add that to the botom there will be amenity spaces and like I mean but I'm not I'm not sure exactly how all this works but to have child care grocer um you know other other services that would you know be like the infrastructure for the residents understood to create a community a community those are ideas that can be considered but right now we were focus on focused on advos that was the amenity that we like to the the look at the top of the building is that solar oh yes so the buildings have solar panels uh to generate electricity for residents as well as green roof fars right that that green space on the roof is that just for cooling uh just for cooling it's not accessible okay and the extent of this will be determined as we progress with the design and also uh the open space should be considered an amenity also not only for the residents but for the community and this needs to be uh investigated and studied in detail but there could be uh basketball courts uh children's playgrounds open spaces so is that a tenant court or basketball basketball

it's basketball but U the color I guess it's tennis color does what are the levels of the floors seven and five no no five floors maximum and also four floors okay the building re the largest building there on the left that's that's this is five floors the uh the land slopes down so that this is really just the U uh base of the building and that's on the North side uh on the West Side yes West side nor side north side where the playground is okay State streets going to be closed off yes State streets going to be closed off not accessible by Vehicles emergency vle yes yes and somebody said something about First Street being continued over the first street is here well actually right actually that is uh we're restoring here this is First Street right and actually we're are restoring First Street so you go over to up to what this street here State Street yeah that's State Street right and then it could so when this was all built this was part of the time where you would do mega blocks and you would make much larger scale blocks and we're and way we're restoring the old grid and when you when you Contin your first street over it's going to go over to Second Street sorry State Street then you can take your left go corre that's what you talk about and Second Street is going to stay remain as is yes you got changeing

SE so you going to do community shetes so that the tenants get a chance to see we actually did a a sh Workshop back in uh November but not just the only thing that's different is the buildings are lower so this is basically The Identical design in addition to the subtraction of the subsurface but we had a a workshop with tenants and everyone people gave uh written notes uh and feedback and people Express their desires for and we broke into small groups um and I also presented various uh Parks from around the world that are two acres that can be used as models not only for the space but also the program of what amenities people would like to see so your current units total unit that's with the low rise is what is it 135 or is it 120 135 135 120 be highrise and 15 so that means you're building approximately um 121 more Apartments 256 yeah yeah so that's so no one we're going to replace corre right so you you're even renting now so you know it's urg nature because of the building is OB we wanted to ask about the U the sh because my only time is it looks like a very good design and a design is said with the basketball CL we middle would there be not too much noise and things like that the residents you know after you have to limit obviously the time because it's in the center of the complex but you the street The Walking Street separating it but you have hard Services you're going to hear everything right that's true you're right about that no that's not

true actually I visited I visited other complexes like this and there's courts in the middle and no nobody's Disturbed and nobody no it's the way they have it set up and everything you don't hear it inside you hear inside the enir so they design it that way so you can't hear okay that's that's that's considering actually it was originally closer to one of the buildings and we moved it towards the center parents want to see their children so that's a very important Rand I think one thing that's also deceptive looking at it like this is the distance between those two buildings that courtyard is very large like what's the what's the length and width of that courtyard you know off the top of your head hundreds of feet okay but it's actually like it's a big space is a big space is almost two acres when did you say the public uh there is what no I like a not tenun space I mean it's still open to program I I don't know if this has been covered already um so what um facilities do they have for like um the impaired like you know as they sufficient wheelchair access especially if they like living on different flors oh everything would be fully accessible disability accessible every single apartment and the percentage prescribed by the state of individual bathrooms would be accessible as well

okay okay so see with the um the car are pulling into the buildings now uh the one on the side near you Jeffrey is that Second Street that's that create a problem because that's a major street that people backing out uh you have to why did you do that to give moreing tra why did you do that to give more paring yes but it doesn't create an unsafe well um nothing is 100% safe you've got more cars parked on the street so the more cars you have the more likely you are to have something happen it's not unprecedented in the city there are a number of areas in the city where you have and it's so that's part that's why we're here to talk to you about these issues it because I mean I don't see anything wrong with the paring de side yep okay that's that's because that that's cing to me you're taking a condition that's okay to an unsafe condition because um Columbia Street is uh isn't it isn't itting down the street but trucks go down that street not but they can yes I think you have you have significantly more blind spots back kids right then just leaving it like it is and keep the street as wide as you can this preventing this is allowing it not to be uh let it's actually lessening the traffic and lessening the hazard and

making it more of a residential area and everybody has backup cameras now in their cars I mean this I don't I there not enough people have speeding down they're going to speed because that's that project has nothing to do with people traveling that area oh so it's just parking off the street the parking is yeah yeah the parking is offset turn you pulling it into the site right you need don't you need permission for that to change the way to the board remembers we just got done with the boulevard yes and had a similar parking that we made you know made that change the parking spots so that you have less uh blind spots going back we just had that but the boulevards are very tinely streets compared to what we're comparing here the boulevard you can't even take two cars and drive at the same time somebody has to over so the next can go so I don't think we should be compared to the boulevards on that section well yeah he's just letting us know that we just um that he used that just to let us know that we we have an issue with the the pulling in and backing out we'll certainly look into that issue whether it's car parking you know on an angle U maybe we can move the spaces a little further in our property what is the purpose of that to to allow more parking for who for the residents for res those right now that's not resident parking that's just public parking those spaces along the street would have to probably be public parking exactly so the idea is you know it's it's a balancing Factor right so the board has to figure do we want to try to get as many parking spaces as we can or would we rather air

on the side of super cautious and you know have it redesigned so there may be less parking spaces but if the board is more comfortable with that you know that's that's certainly your preference the board doesn't have to come to decision correct no we're just throwing things out correct we'll certainly look into all the options for the parking so so you're not going to have any parking um on your on site that's behind where this is behind this building here which is across St Street yes oh actually model it's over here where the basketball courts are now I thought a building was going to be there there's room there there's enough room to have the building plus parking there's room before you fall off the yes your uh the playground is here okay I mean and then there's another little parking area up here yeah we're sorry but you know what the best thing we're going to you know we're going to update everything so when you start SED um Rand put it yeah we yes we have to move into the hi I'm Brian Brooker from Brooker engineering it's a Weston and Samson engineering company uh I'm the site engineer and the uh uh site civil for the whole project so there's a lot of things that go on to this uh plan besides just the buildings uh and let me just explain a bunch of them one you just mentioned this parking along the street the street has a really wide Street we could do a little angle parking to allow the cars to now what

stre Trav that colia colia yeah let me just Orient it this is Columbia Street so now you're looking straight down from the sky onto the property North Street is here State Street is currently here Second Street me no that's State this is second second no second North you said north it's North Second Street I'm sorry and State Street in Columbia the first Street's down off the paper and you're making a street that is going to match with the street that goes this is First Street so what right now you can't make a right here there's you know Bank of earth right and over here you can't make this because there's a wall there um but eventually this would pass through the reason we did that is because we wanted to turn State Street into a pedestrian way from this point to this point we can't bring it down further because this is a parking lot somebody has to into so there'll be Ballers at both ends that prevent cars from traveling down there but those would be movable so that the fire trucks could go through uh if you leave it open somebody will drive there no matter what how many parking spaces do you have on your site other than those that are pulling in like the one behind the building and small over here we have 55 spaces here we have 11 so those 66 that are currently on the property all together and we have 31 although we're going to allow this to be a street of some kind these are physically on the property so this we're talking about making an easement to allow the public to travel through but the parking spaces would be reserved for members uh for

residents of the project that's only those would be public there is another 35 which we would create that would be sort of a public parking they could be indic I mean they could be noted as private parking for this well it's on because it's on the street I'm not sure it's back no it's actually on the S well this black right away it is space is half in the property and half out of the proper so you would have so if they were exclusively for the U for the Housing Authority you have what 120 parking spot yeah something like that 5531 uh 86 it's 125 12 okay but so the point is that there's more parking than there is now per apartment uh currently there's only one parking space for every three apartments in the current buildings that you have so you have 50% ratio own well there's there's residents the new configuration if you include this additional parking you have one for two cor so yes and so it's an it's a an improvement over the current situation uh and since this is neighborhood parking it itn't necessarily have to be just for this if they're not using it but I'm sure people want to bark in the most convenient place that they can could that be adjusted well the two have uh issu if could there be angular and could there be all on the Housing Authority property

and it it's not Street I I would say that's not a good idea and the reason I would say that if you're going to put it along let's say here is because now the back of the space is so far in that it that people are going to be parking parallel parking behind the people in the spaces cuz this road is already 30 to 35 ft wide if you make get another 10 ft wide it be 45 ft wide and then people are backing out it's sort of like a big parking lot where you don't really have Lanes so it's so no man's land I find that's more dangerous than when people know where they could drive where they expect the other car to come and G so we could talk about that but I'm not sure that that's the preferred way to do it um so let me just touch on some other things so this pedestrian way to close off fire trucks can come in to fight a fire this is private parking this is some kind of parking we talked about a commercial space here this road slopes 15 ft from uh the East to the West downhill towards the river so since the building is level that means the building climbs out of the ground by 15 ft which creates this basement that we call a basement but it's really at grade it's really then the building at this point would look to be six stories because of course it's 15 ft and then five stories so that's high enough to get a commercial tenant in there and also space that we could use for um trucks operational truck and vehicles well I don't know if they would do that but we've been talk about that but this space is uncommitted at this point we just know that we're getting that for no

extra cost because we have to make the building flat and the this we're going to play with the grade if we're going to leave the grade there we're going to have an exposed part of the building which could be used for a lot of different um tenants can you still have do you still have plans to have the commercials up here some commercial space here that that I don't know no yes that are you having commercial yes it's commercial here and then you could have it in this so this has a high ceiling which commercial space is like you 15t ceiling is something that's Desir what is your pro proposed number of commercial spaces that you planning have in this in this I think at the moment it's 2800 square ft not a footage how many space it's one at the moment for rolling one at the moment they're the ones in show interest but if you add the other space I so this is 60t by about 100 so it's 6,000 sareet so that could be 8800 potentially I mean I'm sure once somebody sees it they probably can't conceive of it how it would look or work now but once they see it I think probably there would be interest generated in in that space and the Housing Authority would offer that at sort of preferential uh pricing for non for profits or can I add something also one of the things that happening with this project is there's a lot of tenant feedback so those spaces that we're really concerned about right now with commercial spaces what could go in there if they want a

community room some of those conversations would be the decisions on what they want to see on their property so I think that's important to keep in consideration when you're trying to visualize the the final project is what the tenants are identifying that they want to see on this property too so there's there's no there's no designator or assign uh community room spaces at present will be communicated by you all like to present maybe at the next meeting what the tenants have told you they desire yeah CU we don't we well it it will change as the project develops that's what I'm saying that this is what commercial spaces get put in is tenant input too so I don't want you to think that rolling rer is the only option because that's all the tenants need they're still having regular tenant meetings the tenants meet with the developers regularly to express what type ofver Bas that's not a question we just want to know how many you know we want it to be shown on the plans that if you've got 9,000 ft in commercial space and forgive me CU I don't know what 9,000 ft is we want to see possibility of five spaces you know whatever well that's to be developed because of the height variation by way I'm Joel M M Construction we're partners with HHA on the project uh the buildings are outfitted with with uses uh community room bicycle rack room all the traditional stuff and the tenants have full use of all these are stories so there's not so all the what you would expect to be in the building which is required from us from uh New York state will be in the building okay and then the areas we're talking right now really anur the 6,000 square fee is just by by luck at the moment but we've always had idea of a commercial retail Food Service on as you look at the building to the

right side so they can actually unload from the side street so the building's fully fully equipped everything that's needed for a class A development back to one questions I want to ask you're going to put a folder up you said so nobody could come through the street so does that move automatically when the emergency vehicle com we haven't designed that yet but typically either the Ballers uh go down into the ground and come up they come up some of those are I don't find as reliable as like a gate so you have a baller a gate and a b so that you can open the gate because then there's Parts um and no maintenance of the if you have a disappearing baller it turns out it's a a maintenance issue and if it doesn't work when you need it to work that's not so we we'll work out exactly how to close off the street but being a pedestrian way um it's for people to walk and uh sit and be in an environment that's Pleasant to be outside bring Community together for the residents it's be for the entire have cafes out there umbr that was the a a little bit more about the boring stuff that I do which is we have storm water to to worry about we have to supply with we have sanitary uh

discharges we have water supply we have all of those issues are part of our design of the whole building to supply there was mention of geothermal heat I'm not sure yes an option but not a dep geothermal of course okay right so I I didn't hear that that was a definite so I want to make that clear that it's not committed to Victor just when you come back and I'm just flashing this out at this point but where you expect to have stor friends we want to understand how it's going to interface with the the road how get in and out the next step is to develop elevations and the plan and work do you come back with lighting and oh yeah I mean we've actually developed some of that but this was as I just the general plan when when do you guys expect to um come back with uh how fast are you move you I mean because please I know I say that Jing is not in the best condition so the sooner the better so I'm pushing move with your plans because when you come back and you want us to approve something because you need your funding that's not fair so you know I want you to like when you go home tonight start app where's the main going to be now so going to be like down the

street AR thought right the land is sloping down so it will be shaped in some manner okay right I mean it has to slope so shaping I'm going to ask a question on the roof if a building gets on fire fireman can't put it out around oh yeah show the concept but going to be everything done to C okay yeah and and again this The Pedestrian RS to the New York State Department of Transportation guide lines they have they're actually there's a very elaborate book that shows all the what needs to be done I just have to ask you there's no way that you can make one of the buildings with drive- through parking underneath all the slopes you could put in that 6,000 to give up some potential use there you mean the building where it slop down rest of it's on grave so think about it yeah if you read parking in some sort of use the space sure we could look into it but under I I don't think we should give that thought away yet at the moment because we might all find it could use for that space it could be a real public amenity in in several of the meetings um with the public and tenants e

further that way you can get double parking all the way up this building y pull it 18 ft further into the site that would allow you to have double parking along that entire road that that something I wanted to ask your code calls for 20 foot Spaces by 10 which is pretty well Antiquated I mean we use 18 by9 people routinely get variances from The Zing board from that dimension okay cuz you mentioned a I know that magic number so you're correct if we were be able to move the building in we might be able to get it's 66 spes now and the back plus that side gives you 66 the back of that plus that match right so yeah just easy spot to gain 18 space or whatever yeah but that's a beautifully designed Courtyard mean there's no techn I mean as far as I know there's no parking requirement in the town that is correct okay they still consider parking the

so chair if I may Park comes up for every project and it's it's all about meeting the needs of the car and it drives everybody's price up so what you want to do is you want to provide the right amount not too much not too little so we need to land on that spot and I'll offer you from a sustainability perspective the concept that if we get pretty much the right amount of parking on the site and if we leave Columbia Street with public parking on both sides what you can do is you can count up because residential parking Peaks overnight right so you're going to need your most parking overnight and the only people that would be there overnight are the residents so you could factor in if you want yes that there's parking on Columbia parallel on both sides like it is now and then during the day when many of the residents go to work or whatever there's there's there's no parking on both sides further down on beond second because the street gets a little narrow between first and front yes I be you pardon you're correct yes um during the day when many of the residents are away at work we understand there'll be less demand and when people want to come in from the other neighborhoods to use the park those spaces will be available I would we need to have this dialogue and figure out what the right number is and then figure out how many of them are on site but I would encourage us to use what parking we can on the street to meet both the neighborhood needs and the res does the street have the alternate parking yeah Street has both is it alter sides yeah but I just wanted to put that in there because parking drives a lot of projects and it drives in in the wrong direction if you don't get

right a question about your thank you yes thank so on have batteries uh to capture some of that so that that would provide backup power if you know if right now does have a backup generator you use like batteries to yeah we use the latest Battery Technology and you're G have some car charges yes good idea you said yes then you said it was a good idea and all current develops were involved with car chargers today yeah all right we're not going to say the name of anyone right now exactly don't want any vandalism but have charges generic exactly okay so um you're going to do this in two phases phase one is now coming very soon so next month you'll be here more advanced even though you think this is what they're looking for full site plan approval just constructive yeah there just phas one in yellow so next so next month we're on right coming next month if that work we'll we'll be here next month and you going be more advanced U consider that pulling parking me you guys are done the work subm a package that's better so you heard so if you're not if you can submit a package to us but you're not ready to come to present that's moving forward okay okay uh Christopher is our um

engineer himself for the planning board and uh candra and Victoria attorneys so if you can submit package to us they'll look at it they'll review it can you just clarify what your ask is about this parking here I just want to be certain what I just don't like to pull I have a question about the par what are the rules for similar parking um around the corner from CBS on S because that's a but the road would be double down at this property so there's more space you know is it alternate side parking up there I think it's better diagonal as you as you suggest like C we're asking for alternate to that okay right now you know we need alter to that um I mean you're you're citizen of hon and you see seven Street that's dangerous I mean every time it is I wish they would change that I mean it be less talking but at least people won't it has happened to me several times when I can see their lights stacking up my question is more like I just don't know what the rule is for like side parking for the folks that live there does that right it's um Fe parking on one side and that's it yeah I'm sorry I didn't get your question okay so we'll see you um you know submit your plans when you're ready keep in tou with please keep in touch one more question go

ahead okay now sir I'm excited this more housing hon um I just have one like narrow question about the the basement the space partially like it sound like maybe talking about balancing number of units my view is like as many units as possible that feels like for husbands want make sure I don't know is not appropriate for and actually hasn't because it's partially fullow grade or like how to like maximize what was the question whether the exposed basement area again I was not aware of that space you mention we got to go back and check it years but we were I was not aware it we look at it and if housing a townhouse or something chair yes I have a question love what's theity of this project if uh the Bliss powers are only 4 years what is your name sir Kei Kei uh what York come back in this one is New York state gonna have to come back in in 40 years knock it down and pay for another no we hope they build it better I think isue l i was we were not involved with it and I I like to pick up 40 years but I won't uh it was inferior construction that's that was problem place iing to exactly I I well a little

bit about on M Construction John and you are our top off should behind you we've been in business 37 years may we buil 5,000 units in the Hudson Valley of which I'm the managing member of 3,000 of those units and our bonding capacity is1 billion I like do so yourid are going be a go look and say great grandchild we like to think we'll do a better job we're looking forward to that okay so we're going to let you go this you know see you next month get started keep in touch with our Consultants attorney us you know so that who is the contact person do we have all your email address oh wait a minute hold we got to establish don't go anywhere them okay can I get a motion to EST I think es motion to ad resol EST Es ition at $25,000 I make a motion second all in favor okay so you may got to check to the um city of Hudson New York and you submit it as for ES put on the bottom es and you submit it to the UMAS that's

right okay now sir please 2 25 itol and okay that's good now we're GNA go okay now we got the lady that's supposed to presentation linky send Wendy donate send me an email where where Wendy's at at your can we call her make sure that she's avable oh Wendy Wendy I got I got it you got a telephone number there I do so yes I got it I got do it right now yeah just right now

I'm call see what's theand whatand please yeah I'm going to call if you want you know there nothing I can do but I want to see if she can give the nobody here to give it to how long's nobody here I we should start with that next time you got a number anybody got her I don't have a phone number but I just I did just send her the the link I mean I think you got that's what I told wait a minute wait 347 okay 244 244 yeah 48 it's 9:00 with a 30 minute leeway you know up mean we don't do anything more we just kind of close up she's not there she participant list maybe's no so far I just have Justin okay she didn't answer did not answer I just

said Okay Okay so until she answer we can move on to the okay is there anything that we discuss between the committee reports and discussion anybody I got oh you got what she better thank youy Wendy you hear us hi yes I can hello okay hold on one second I'm gonna highlight you [Music] in the me let's approve the bills oh no no she's here when's right there give me a moment see if we can get you all straight let's the bills so Wendy do you have a do you have a PowerPoint that you want to share yeah I do hi everybody I'm Wendy and dinga okay give me one second let me make you feel okay now this company is the company that's going that's been hired by the to beautify the Hudson Waterfront and they've already been in contact with so yes so they're going to try and work together with along with public comments and planning board comments to do something because the the part that they've been hired to to design is the property that buts up right next old abandoned warehous right all the way to that parking lot and the edge that you were saying is is is horrible trees over there this is that they've

been you guys can you see you we just turn around everybody okay Wendy go ahead okay when you able to see my screen just let me know okay great um well good evening everybody and I'm happy to be able to um share the um climate adaptive design for the Henry Hudson Riverfront Park in in Hudson um for all of you and I hope that it's um of benefit with um with this this um this uh issue um so let's see sorry I'm having a little bit of um delay here okay um so just a little bit of background um this is this project is um um actually for it's been going on since 2016 and it's for the most part been um funded by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation and the New England Interstate Water Pollution Control Commission um so it began in 2016 uh when the city of Hudson partnered with Cornell University um Department of landscape architecture to do a design studio which the students looked at um Solutions um

for the way climate change was going to impact um the Waterfront in Hudson then in 2022 um I led a team that completed the community engagement um and the climate adaptive design of Henry Hudson Riverfront Park and that was adopted by the Hudson common Council in um in 2022 um in uh in progress us now um we're working we're leading a team that's completing the design the permitting and the documentation for bidding and construction and the construction is anticipated for 2027 so this is a look uh at and a sort of bird's eye view of Henry Hudson Riverfront Park um it's right here between the North Bay and the South Bay um and it is sort of separated from the city by the Amtrak line and really what the grant goals are for this project um again funded by the Department of Environmental Conservation is um to design a clean and thriving Watershed um to uh design for climate adaptive communities um to conserve natural areas for wildlife Source water and scenery and um to keep the river accessible for people people of all ages and abilities and connect people to Nature very important there um and just some context uh the adjacent projects um for to the area that we're designing which is outlined in the pink dashed line here um which you can see it's just north of the coluso property um so adjacent is the

done Warehouse development that is um sort of uh underway right now and that's going to revitalize um an a old historic um industrial building that is like the last remaining Remnant uh of industry along the Waterfront which is going to be a really great Community Hub and then also the fery Street Bridge which is nearing complete construction completion um and that's a bridge that crosses over the Amtrak U tracks and um will become a much more direct connection to the Waterfront from Warren Street and downtown so um right now the point of Crossing to the park is Broad Street which is at grade and um and means that people have to cross the tracks um so that's just something to keep in mind so why climate adaptation um well this is a view of the park in 2020 to and these kind of floods are becoming more and more CL common they happen um they occur every every winter now so um it's not only climate change is not only in the future but the you know the more um frequent flooding is starting to happen right now so that's um what we're that's a big part of our charge with this park design and this is a um sea level rise map um showing how the park will be impacted in the future and um this map is um based on the New York State dec's highest percentile projections um so the 2050 Shoreline is

um close to you know will will um just impact the the edge of the park whereas in 2080 if there were to be 54 in of sea level rise the um the water will inundate the part much more quickly um that's the medium blue shade and then the 2100 um sea level rise is if that were um to be 71 in is the the light light blue um color so um this is just to show you this is the this is what's informing um our design and these are some views of the south end of the park um in the area that we're designing so these are the existing conditions and um so it's what it what these photos show is that um this area is really wild and natural and it's been um somewhat neglected but um for that reason it's also has all it has a natural character to it so there's some things that we want to um be able to preserve here and that's the natural character and then there's some things that we want to be able to improve upon such as in the lower right hand corner um there's a a historic railroad bridge that's a um in serious disrepair and um so we look at those things as um opportunities for for enhancement in the future and part of our um design process in 2022 was to do um Community engagement so we did a Year's worth of um meetings we did public meetings uh we did focus groups with um with you know different special interests um different

groups that use the park and we also had an advisory Council and we met with them by monthly um and they sort of steered us and um gave us feedback on on the design as we went um we heard things about this South End of the of the park such as um there's so much potential here for this area to be an aquatic learning environment and why is the end of the park so underutilized um we also heard uh about Rick's Point um the parking lot um why isn't this area more uh accessible for people and why can't we replace the parking with more green space so these are kind of things that um again informed our design so this is a a a plan view of the um design as as it we're in progress right now um and we're looking at this area for this grant because it is uh designated as a priority area by um the Department of envir Environmental Conservation um and this area offers a balance of economic ecological and Comm Community benefits um and what we want to be doing here is um providing habitat uplift to really restore this area and um and make it uh a really better performing um in terms of its ecological uplift um so in to that end um I'll just run through we're looking at restoring Woodlands uh along the east side and south side next to the karuso property and that area is really um to going to be most utilized um not well not only by the public but also by the Hudson Sloop Club um they do a lot of ecological um

educations in conjunction with Waterfront Wednesdays so we've been talking with them a lot about how um how this space could be better designed for them um was there a question that's okay they answered it okay go ahead go ahead Wy are you finished um almost um so so Woodlands um we're also going to be restoring um the shoreline um so it it can be um it can be more responsive to flooding and um absorb more of that water and um also just get the shoreline ready for as you know the the water level starts to rise in advance um we're going to design rain Gardens that will be absorbing water and um improving water quality a as water runs off of um the streets and and pavement and then we're also proposing um to Green Rick's point and create a fishing pier at the end of it um and I'll go into more details about that in a second these are a few of the the features main features of the area um the first is the pedestrian bridge um and that's on the top left corner and that's going to be where um the old railroad bridge is right now and that's the reason this bridge is critical is because it's the missing link to get from the north side of the park to this

South side at the moment if people want to reach the South area which is adjacent to the karuso property they have to walk on his Service Road um to get there and people are usually um don't know about it they're unwilling to do that um because of traffic so the rest restoration of this railroad bridge is a key to getting um to having sort of unlocking all of that public space for people um so there's a system of paths that um that move through here and get people to this South Side the south side is on the right um again the education area U that the Hudson Sloop Club is um you know is going to be sort of activating over here um would would entail a a a drive that's dedicated to them they they work uh they do their um education work out of a trailer right now so uh we're making a space that would enable them to back up their trailer into that area um and then also um we're proposing a new water access point which is directly next to um the property line in this very last southernmost slip and a lot of people don't even know about this slip because um it's so hard to get to we call it the secret slip um so so um back over towards Rick's Point um where there's an image on the bottom right which is of the fishing pier the proposed fishing pier and um also the restored living Shoreline um we're proposing a natural play area

um uh next to adjacent to the Dunn Warehouse um so this area would be converted which it's all graveled right now would be converted to Green Space um a picnic Grove and a play area and that would support the kind of activities that are happening over at the dun Warehouse um so all in all it's um really a a big restoration effort here I want to ask you in contact with Kalo I think you had sent me an email that you were in contact with Yes actually we are and we we've reached out to him and um and you know we haven't scheduled a date yet for our um our meeting but we want to coordinate with him um the design and how it sort of interfaces with his property line um and see how um together you know we can we can make find a find a solution that works for everyone that'll be nice and it'll be nice to keep us informed I mean we really don't have much to do just say but we would like tot in form we would like to be kept in to uh you guys doing together so thank you go ahead it's very exciting to hear about the the Woodland and the natural habit um you know s itivity to that um I I have two questions which is one what is the size of the gr and two who will maintain these natural Scapes over time so we are working um with we are in conversation I guess with um the um conservation advisory Council and the

Columbia land Conservancy right now um and which columia Land Conservancy is spearheading um a friends of Hudson Parks right now and so we are talking about um about stewardship and trying to you know sort of think through um how Hudson could expand um you know the the the current maintenance regime that they have right now to to um take on the maintenance here it definitely has to be expanded it's a big concern ongoing because Colombia Landon survey I'm not I'm not I don't walk all their spaces but I know that budget has been a big issue with them so that's my question who's going to fund the maintenance of these wild Scapes you know these natural Scapes because it takes skill you know it's not clearing it's tending it's a different kind of thing than Hudson hasn't been used to in the city of pson right right well we're we're um two things we're not we're we're first of all trying to um we're designing things that are going to be as low maintenance as possible we're not doing things that you know we we know we have the budget in mind and so to the greatest extent possible we're um we're we're keeping things um sort of you know under control and um and secondly we are talking with um The Advisory Council and the Sloop Club about their capacity to help engage in stewardship and to kind of lead that

effort so um it is something that's sort of at the floor and we're thinking about the size the the size of the grant what is that number so the grant that we the grant that is a design it's for design fees right now so after we've after we complete the documents um it there's going to be a fundraising um period And so we've already started to Target and identify potential grants for the city and um so the idea is that this is going to be fully Grant funded and so far how much has been spent on this project the design of it um so far well the the total the total grant for this phase of the work is 275,000 helpful you know yeah and it's a yearlong a year-long process we did um environmental EST invest vestigations we've done a Geotech we have to like find out what's under the soil and um deal with all the historic the Legacy contamination and things like that so um yeah we're about we're almost halfway through the process okay Wendy I want to ask you um to submit your comments to us you know we're in the process now of of um you know uh granting a a conditional use permit to kuso so if there's anything that you will suggest that you know us at a planning board can impose upon him to help with your project please submit that to us and submit this um uh the power the PowerPoint to us we

want to put it on our we're going to contact you so you can upload it to our um portal portal so it can be available for the public okay that y that sounds good and yeah I think our first step will be um to meet with Mr karuso and um you know and talk about the do that because next month public hearing we're having this public hearing on the 10th so it would be nice if you can get us some comments on your suggestion 10th of April yeah 10th of April okay sounds good anybody any question Wendy thank you Wendy thank you so much you just in followup to what Virginia was saying if there are some specific things in terms of tending and maintaining this would your organization willing to train the city DPW um people so so that they can to the extent that they can do this that they would so that that would that would of for sum how about yeah the youth can do that train thew has enough to how about training the youth well we what I can say is that um you know that property since about 2015 or a portion of that property that's on this um that is where we're talking about in terms of Woodland and I think where a lot of plantings would go is something that the the Sloop Club has been stewarding since want to say around 2015 Jean when we first did that that project um on there and so if if you had gone in 2015 you couldn't access it at all all overgrown and now you know it's it's cleared a little bit but there's enough room to see still see the wildlife and the um you know some of the Native and some of the invasive species that are there but we've been

we've been taking care of it for a while and I think at one of the last meetings we had a discussion with the conservation advisory Council which does a lot of tree planting in town so we're in talks with them to combine on kind of not putting more load on the DPW which already has very difficult job they they're trying to do it how can we do it we already do community cleanups down there we bring in kids we bring in community members and I think trying to do more of that and what I like is that their design is not like there will be maintenance but it's not tree pruning and all of this really careful stuff that has to happen to try to design with Native species that can grow and do their thing and our as low maintenance as possible but you know we have that lease and that's part of what we consider the payment for that lease is really taking care of that property and that's what we for as long as we're there we'll continue to do as the Sloop club and I think as more people get down there as more development happens this project moves forward there are going to be more people and more opportunities for volunteers for you know we bring school trips down there and water from Wednesday so more and more so so plans are in the work to maintain it so you have a budget or a methodology to do I just you know I just figured the city did it it wouldn't be an extra cost but you're saying in the way you're involved in the project that you're incor that you'll incorporate this that time expense the SL Club takes on you know mostly voler hours toward but we that's that's part of our you know you can do whatever it is that Rees I think that once if if the landscape plans that Dave talked about I think would actually be an improvement and once they're in place right now Bo and iy all the invasives are am of work every year we were able to do the initial work and I think gr pay for a lot of it to remove a lot of

those put new ones in it it'll be less right now well we thank you for sharing this with us um Wendy we really do we appreciate it uh send us the um PowerPoint so we can put it on our a matter of fact we should get touch with the secretary so could be put on the um on on the photo okay thank you okay thanks everybody my pleasure too bad the public left that that's who it was for well it's live stream and we have okay so now we're going to go in do do anybody in the planning board have any questions uh talk to I just want you all know that um Jean and I met with the treasurer and the and Trac right City cler and and and the city treas to go over the esro procedures and you know kind of find out how what happens once we approve the bills uh they told us what happens and now we fully understand what happens okay but a lot of things in the beginning when this Esco thing first started we did have issues but we're not having those issues you guys are we have the same attorney and the same Consultants before we used to have different consult M right but we have the same Consultants the same attorneys and you submit at the same time so the only question I do have is we have a couple projects on there plan board cast it's any side stuff we it's not on um are you okay those bills in one like we used

to we're doing the certification of completion for the flood plane permit but that's not us that's the no when for the FL plane perit yes we're not the es no you are because they don't have the legal ability to take ESC no they did they already took EX the H cpda took ESO for that okay and that's who pays you they had a $5,000 esro get paid for it right you're getting paid from age them okay not us but can I ask this though can you guys as we come to an end of a project before we you know get our they get their final um approval from us can you guys kind of truncate your billing process and make sure that you get that information in so that we're not chasing people after they they did we on a monthly basis so every month we build so I can't change that process well you know what process we implemented we are not I'm not stamping any site plan or any every single site plan You' ever Prov since you know like that on this board has always said fees and esid so you shouldn't be stamping any plan until you know for a fact all their fees es a statement from you to say right well I get a statement from them that everything's done right we're going to say so approval process we say we're getting ready to approve this this is a you know just to check with our consultant to make sure that they're really be the treasurer it's whether or not they have it's not us that would give you fees and Es is not going to be from the consultant he an es is going to be from the treasurer what's the balance at the end it should be zero there should be everything should be paid and everything should be balanced so it's always going to be two months or a month

later to balance saying toward the end like you don't want to make the client wait an extra month until your billing period happens before we approve them we need the treasurer to confirm that that money's in the account we don't we really don't stamp the plans until months after and that's something we're I'm going to also coordinate with um Craig to to get him to know that this even though they have an approved resolution they do not have stand plans gota you know what I'm saying and that's something you know so that'll give them enough time to say if the if the plans take 30 days to to go that's your that's your we're coming up on the first one 601 Union right which is approved many many months ago six months last year I'm finally getting to the last couple comments with them so hopefully that's just saying you were doing ongoing work correct y going back and forth with there SW in comment and I won't be stamping their plans until I make sure that Jean and I make sure that all of their Esco and the bills have been P even though they even though now they have an approved resolution with conditions with restrictions we do both of us if there's a legal I I write a quick sign off letter and he writes a sign off letter all engineering that's when I stand you and I don't stamp them and then I don't stamp the plans until we make sure that theyve paid the escra right that's why everything's conditioned right have the pay got to be come out of the es to pay that okay so you know it's a it's a process it's not the best one but it's the best one we're working with now yeah I just I would just like to tighten that up just like toward especially toward the end yeah yeah no I agree all right now Gan is going to do you have multi resolution to pay the bills for us it's

I it's it's confusing it is confusing but it's not us no it is you it it it's okay it's working out it is it's more complicated because you have the ability to take es it's legally a little complex just because technically it is them it's kind of a joint venture but they have es they have the money they took $55,000 right and one of the things I'm on that no one of that one of the thing I'm that board is I said do you have enough money yes and they do they got plenty of money we're getting paid you guys have been approv well we've been paying but it's coming es it's coming out of their es but you're the account holder it's complicated it's it has to do with the way es and they don't mind yeah no of my office hbcd okay we're not we're going to talk about this got to get Dominic involved in this you know that board because they have esro to pay you and that's coming 100% that's where it's coming from why it well what's have an offline meeting I remember this being a hiccup I could ask my partner office we'll take care that later was before so G do we have a multi Bill to a a motion to uh to approve all the bus yeah not yet not yet we're [Music] okay Bill from bis toal of 12,673 dated dated 35 2025 bill from RCP attorneys that's VI Victoria's group

$4,910 56 s d dated 37 2020 does does do does it reference the the services for yes that's all of the servic can you just say that for the record if they going to no we don't we only say the total and not not the no not the individual just you got it on your email each one of you get okay okay that's fine as long as everyone I see but said we do this for the record okay let's get a motion to approve the bills then the so we'll entertain the motion to pay the bills as presented I make motion and I'll second it all in favor post all in favor okay all right now now he come the es yes now the escro accounts these bills we have short 612 Hudson avue Short Boulevard short Mill Street loss short Ben W Road short 4143 North 7th Street is watch maybe and Hudson Housing Authority well we just got an right so we we're doing a motion to replenish first one no no no if you want resolution you have to do you got a motion uh to adopt the resolution to replenish the following bills the resolution yeah so let's do we got to figure the amounts for each one right kusso is short read just what's the motion motion to authorize a resolution for blank what yeah how much that's all we need is the

amount how much should he replenish 10,000 5,000 what well he this pretty short so so you want to do 10,000 what are they short right now it's 3600 I mean we're have a public heing okay so col says 10,000 so motion to adopt a resolution to replenish $10,000 in es for call can I get can I get a first first second all in favor okay what's the next one 62 Avenue a motion to to adop the resolution to 612 hson Avenue to ESCO and it's rounded off 700 bucks not okay and I been cut off of the engineering review why because she want to pay my bills so they're dealing with illegal stuff right now it's it's just finishing so probably $2,500 yeah so Hudson Avenue a motion to to repl their esro for $3,000 I make a motion all in favor okay so wait minute okay uh Randall who who first the first one Rand Rand second it was okay now what's the next one she's fast can I get a motion to adop they already replenished last month and they just haven't paid they just

haven't paid it okay so we'll get in touch with that street lost e second I'm second Ben wink Road 2700 they never paid so just move on we already establish yeah we we that was a what's the nexton I'm done we did Hudson hous okay so I wanted to kuso Rand patina Mill Street K Kaye and Randle and um Hudson Avenue Randle and Gina right yes because what I do at night I get those done and out you want see have for that sent to the board for 60 South Street that you wanted to do do you okay we're going to have to revote on 60 South Street because we didn't do it South Street we didn't do a resolution so I'm going to I would like

to get a motion to adopt a resolution to approved 60 South Front Street was sent to everyone with the conditions of the approved language that mean Christian work together to draft and Fe and Es so which you did last month all in favor all any oppos so um I hope we did good motion to uh so did I say all in favor for all the resolutions for money all right so that's anything else no can I get a motion to oh a motion to approve the minutes from February 11 a motion to approve the minutes for febrary 11 second all in favor motion toj just okay second all in favor okay so we're jour at 9:30 p.m. make that that was done for Journey okay all right