City Council - workshop

We will call this work session to order. See you Monday night. We'll have review of payment of bills, minutes. Start off with resolution number 89-53-26, Mr. Waldrop. This is a resolution approving a consumable hemp products license for Altria Enterprises doing business as SunMed, your CBD store.

Yes, this is a reconsideration of a previous application, and there's been a change in circumstance in that the police department are now making a positive recommendation, and we wouldn't ask that this be approved.

Very good. Any comments or questions from counsel? Hearing none, we'll move on to resolution number 895426, authorizing the termination of the agreement with Civic Plus for Munichode meetings and hub services, and directing that a letter of termination... be sent effective at the end of the current annual agreement term. Ms. Dickerson?

Yes, this was authorized termination of the city's agreement with Civic Plus for Munico meetings and hub services. This is for the agenda management, meeting minutes, and civic engagement software. It's scheduled to end at the end of this year, so this is just stating that it'll end. I've switched over to something new, and it was on there for the last time, and it'll be the same way for this time. So it was a change. I've had some positive feedback on it. All right.

Any comments or questions for Ms. Dickerson? All right. When will the new system be online?

Well, it's current. I mean, I had it last time. going this way, so it'll be there this time too. So I'm using it currently.

OK.

Thanks.

All right. Moving on to resolution number 895526, approving an agreement with Randy Jones and Associates to serve as the city's insurance consultant and broker of record. Ms. Carrier, welcome.

Thank you. Thank you very much. So tonight we're here to talk about a change in insurance consultant services. You may recall in July, this body did approve the mayor authorization to negotiate a rate with Randy Jones and Associates. Before you tonight is the agreement, which has been reviewed by legal counsel and would become effective October 1st. This is a one-year agreement, and it mirrors the current agreement we have with USI Insurance Services with regards to terms, conditions, and fees, and it does provide for two additional years at the same rate. At this time, I would like to introduce Jonathan Bifer and Jason Simpson, our co-owners of Randy Jones and Associates. And they're here, they will be managing our account. And I'm gonna let them say a few words.

Thank you. Hello, thank you for that introduction. Good evening, Mayor and council members. First and foremost, I'd like to thank all of you for the opportunity to be here tonight. Like Debbie said, my name is Jonathan Pfeiffer. I'm here with my business partner, Jason Simpson, and we are co-owners of Randy Jones & Associates. Our agency has extensive experience serving public entities across the state. Our role as your insurance consultant would not simply be to assist with insurance renewals, but to serve as an advisor, advocate, and resource throughout the year. If appointed, our goal is to collaborate with city leadership and staff to help the city make informed decisions regarding insurance, risk management, claims and emerging exposures. We believe strongly in an advocacy-first approach, meaning our responsibility is to represent the city's interests in discussions with carriers, underwriters, claims professionals, and other stakeholders. We look forward to providing the service, guidance, and resources needed to help protect the city and its taxpayers. We appreciate your consideration and would be honored to serve the city. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Any comments or questions?

Just a question for Madam Clerk. I don't, it may be me navigating this new setup that we have, but I don't see the agreement in here. Okay, thank you.

Any other comments or questions? Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving on to resolution 89-56-26, authorizing the renewal of the city's subscription to Placer AI through a three-year agreement. Mr. Furr.

How are y'all this evening?

Excellent.

All right, so Placer is one of those softwares that we use that give us analytical market intelligence data for things such as visitation patterns, trade areas, and different locations within the city. It allows us to compare the city with other like markets. So within economic development, we use this platform for different things such as recruitment, business retention and expansion. And it's also used throughout other departments in the city, such as city administrator and parks and rec. The biggest difference this year compared to recent years is instead of doing a year-to-year renewal, we're going to sign up for a three-year renewal. That's going to allow us to take the year-over-year increase from 8% to 5%. Over the three years, we'll be paying $137,950. So it's going to be a slight decrease in what we would pay if we continue to do the year-over-year.

Any questions? We'd like decreases. Yes. Any comments or questions for Mr. Furr? All right.

Thank you.

Moving on to Resolution 8957-26, authorizing the renewal of the city's HVAC and refrigeration service contract with Johnson Controls and the non-renewal of the ESCO performance contract with Alabama Power. Welcome, Mr. Conner.

Thank you, sir. As mentioned, we're asking to renew a contract, an HVAC and refrigeration maintenance contract with JCI. It comes in just north of $1 million. We're all in with Johnson Controls this year at $1,042,790. We would forego renewal of a two-part agreement with Alabama Power for planned services. It covers select maintenance of select HVAC equipment in the city. And measurement and verification, it measures and verifies the energy savings that they guaranteed us or predicted for us are coming true. We would forego renewal of those two agreements and just go all in with Johnson Controls.

Comments or questions for Mr. Conner? Just so I'll be clear, the performance...

of our assets have been performed per Alabama Power's monitoring. They monitored certain aspects.

Certain assets, yes, sir.

And did they help with the install of said assets and began monitoring, or was there a way from an energy efficiency standpoint to evaluate those? I'm just trying to understand the difference in the Johnson. I understand the two entities by understanding their scope of service.

The biggest piece of the ESCO is planned maintenance through train.

Okay.

Through train, they're maintaining about 15% of our equipment.

Okay.

Now, through Shakti, they're measuring those predictions that they made for us. Shakti measures by looking at power bills, basically. I understand. And tracking performance.

Okay. And so the need for outbound power is because we don't need to monitor that information anymore? Or are you trying to get a better understanding of the need of not having the contract?

Well, ultimately, we're looking at a savings of $50,000 annually by utilizing Johnson Controls. Right. And we can always measure on our own. We're measuring through Alabama Power. It may not be the most cost-effective approach for measuring.

Okay. And last thing I'll say, we have used Johnson Controls prior.

We've been using Johnson Controls as long as I can remember.

So they've taken over that particular point. Okay. Thank you.

Mr. President, I would ask that this item be moved to the regular agenda so that I may abstain from voting on it.

Yes, Ms. Dickerson, can you make note of that, please? Any other comments or questions?

I have a question. You say it's not the most cost-effective way of measuring. Why did we do that to begin with?

To be honest with you, it's part of their agreement. It was presented in the front-end proposal. I know there was a loan for purchase of the equipment, and part of that we'll sell you purchasing through this ESCO is to measure and verify that things are doing what we tell you they will do.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Conner. Moving on to Resolution 8958-26, authorizing the renewal of the health services agreement with quality correctional health care for inmate health care at the Hoover City Jail for fiscal year 2027. Chief Morse.

Mayor, Mr. President, Council, this is our yearly contract for our medical services at the jail, as it stated there in the resolution. There's no increase this year to the amount of our services. The services cost us $15,557.95 a month for a total of $186,695.34 for the year. We've been pleased this year with the quality of service provided by QCHC and with the nurse. We have nurse coverage eight hours a day, seven days a week, on-call doctor as needed. The doctor makes a monthly round, whether needed or not, at the jail. We've been pleased with their services so far.

Very good. Any comments, questions for the chief?

Yes, I do. Chief, without having this service, when visitors visit our jail for a period of time, we would have to take them to hospitals and typically police officers have to sit there with them, right? Yes. Until however much time. Yes, sir. But for basic level things.

Yes, sir, absolutely. We're also required by our contracts, we're required to have medical care there for our inmates. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Any other comments, questions? Thank you.

Yes, thank you.

Resolution number 89-59-26, authorizing the acting director of human resources to execute a renewal agreement with Blue Cross Blue Shield for FY 2027 health and dental insurance coverage for the city of Hoover employees. Ms. Megan? Ms. Megan, can you do me a favor and pronounce your last name for me? Minot. Minot. All right. Two questions. They want to get that wrong.

Oh, that's fine. I appreciate you asking. So, of course, this is to renew our contract with Blue Cross for coverage for health and dental and vision for FY27. So, no changes.

Comments or questions for Ms. Minot? All right. And you are also for resolution number 896026. authorizing you to execute an agreement with simply verified for pre-employment and current city employee background check services.

Yes, so this would be a change from the current service that we're using. There would be a reduction in cost for services for background checks, and hopefully we would get a little bit better customer service with more of a U.S. company as opposed to international.

All right. Any comments or questions for this item? Thank you. Moving on to resolution number 896126, approving a budget amendment for fiscal year ending September 30th, 2026 for various departments related to organizational, personnel, operational, and grant related changes. Dr. Lopez.

Good evening. We have quite a number of items on this budget amendment. I'll just go right through them. Item one, is related to one of the things we try to do as we have our commitments, we try to provide the funding for those. So this first item is reallocating, you can remember Jefferson County, I think is gonna take over the South Shades Crest Road project. So we're reallocating about a little less than three and a half million dollars of that to the $4 million development incentive for Stadium Trace phase two and three. The other half a million dollars is gonna come from capital projects fund balance. Item two is the fire department has received a little over $38,000 related to the training for the Alabama Fire College instruction. And so they're gonna use that to, or they're proposing to use that for improvements at their training center, the fire training center. Item three is just the budget, the actual amendment to the budget for the grant received from Jefferson County Commission for the police department's community outreach initiative. So that's 10,000 in and out. Item four, $30,000 to repair the Lindcoe Barricade cap for the police department. This will come out of special revenue funds. Item five. The purchase of a police department sensory activation vehicle, $33,000 will come out of special revenue funds. Item six is just kind of an in and out on an ALDOT grant related to relocating a portion of a sewer force main, a little over $600,000. So that's going ahead and budgeting that. Item seven, reallocation of a small $2,500 as one project in parks and rec ended to cover some remaining costs for the therapeutics room renovation. Item eight, this is gonna be providing the funding for Fire Station 11 HVAC system modifications and improvements. A few of these items were in the 27 requests, but due to the nature of them, We decided to try to go ahead and move these forward a little bit because of the issues they present. Item nine is a public safety center cooling tower pump replacement that's needed, $24,000. Item 10 was a request for a new plotter for the building inspections department. So we found the funds to reallocate and they can go ahead and get that purchased before year end. Item 11, So it's basically reallocating some excess funding that was available from the rec center partial roof replacement to do some repairs at the Met Stadium and Finley Center, their roofs, and also the library roof. And then there will still be some leftover for repairs for the part of the rec center that did not get, I guess, repaired. ITEM 12, WE MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, MAYBE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN AGREEMENT LAST TIME, THIS IS RELATED TO A FEMA GRANT REGARDING PURCHASING SOME PROPERTIES AND THE 1644 KESWICK AND 3501 RIDGECREST DRIVE. SO THIS IS A, THERE'S GOING TO BE A MATCHING OF 80, JUST UNDER $84,000 FOR THIS. Item 13 is the grant that was referenced last time for $30,000. This is the actual budget amendment regarding Jefferson County Commission for the Lake House project. Item 14, this is going to be an ALDOT grant. So the city's portion will be $30,000. They'll get $120,000 related to pavement conditions assessment. Item 15, 16, 17, and 18, There are no budget amounts that affect fiscal 26. One of them, just because of the nature of it's so late in the year, but it goes ahead and gets them accomplished. One of them is gonna increase, take a part-time position from 20 hours to 40 hours in Aldrich Gardens, but we're gonna delete a part-time position as well. and then changing some titles, reclassifying a horticultural specialist senior to a part maintenance supervisor, same grade, reclassifying a battalion chief to fire marshal, same grade, and a junior civil engineer to subdivision inspector, same grade. And then the last item, is item 19 for $450,000. This is gonna be related to engineering funds that are anticipated in need of the GUSC related to the sewer system, so the Government Utility Service Corp. And it's basically funds that were needed this year, but they will be needed, it looks like, in probably the next year or so as well.

Lots to digest there. Any comments for Dr. Lopez? Wow, all right, thank you. Moving on to resolution 89-62-26, awarding a bid for bid resurfacing to Dunn Construction Company. Ms. Rosemary.

Good evening. We're excited. This is to award our resurfacing contract for FY26. It's to Dunn Construction, and it is $2.4 million in change, or $2,466,170,15. The city engineering staff has prioritized a list of streets based on their condition that will be resurfaced this year and as we get out there in the field, some streets may be added, some may be deleted and not set up in the contract. And Dr. Lopez mentioned, I think her budget amendment item number 14 was the ALDOT grant for road scanning. So we're excited about that. Once we get that in place, we'll use that technology to develop our FY27 list. So just a plug for that.

All right. Any comments about this bid to be done?

Just one statement. Thank you all for actively going out trying to get bids because it was four bidders and the highest one was almost $3.4 million. So to only have one sometimes doesn't save us money. So thank you all for actively trying to recruit folks to come do work for us because it's challenging in this market.

Yes. We're thankful that we did get a great price. We're excited. Thank you.

I have another question.

Yes, sir.

Items on the list. Try to explain to me when it says removing concrete sidewalks, What does that mean? Does that mean removing sidewalk? Does that mean replacing it as well or just removing it?

It would be removing and replacing. And that's not going to be a major component of the work, but with the proag with the ADA regulations are relatively newly in place. This will be our first resurfacing contract. Um, where if you resurface a road and there's a, um, uh, crossing at an intersection, and that handicap ramp is not up to ADA standards. It's removed and replaced to ADA standards. And you know sometimes when you get out there removing a ramp, you may have a couple panels of sidewalk that need to go with that. But it would be relative to the activity of the resurfacing, it would be minor, but we wanna be compliant with the regulations.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I would say this about this contract, that it's a possibility it may come down low. That's why you see the unit prices. What they don't, what the engineering doesn't know is when they pave, when they mill the surface up, how bad the integrity of the road, they may have to spend a lot more money. That's why it's a contingency amount in there, I think of $50,000. Because it may be a storm drain that's not showing up on maps that they have to replace. So I do want to say, once you start digging, you have no idea. Because you may pull up a root of a tree that pulls up a pipeline out of road. Now you've got to pay for that, too. That's right.

Thank you, Mr. Engineer. Thank you, Ms. King.

Thank you.

Moving on to resolution number 89-63-26, awarding a bid for Hoover Fire Station number six, roof replacement to standard roofing of Montgomery. You're back.

Yes, sir. Thank you. Hopefully less or easier to explain than energy measurement.

You did a good job.

Thank you, sir. Roof on Station 6, 30-plus years old, about 6,000 square feet. This project will be a full tear-off and replacement. Currently, that roof contains a type of insulation that's highly caustic and corrosive to the metal deck that's underneath it. So we would fully tear that off, upgrade the insulation to code, and call it good, hopefully, for another 30 years.

Any comments or questions concerning this roof replacement? Moving on, you're still up for resolution 89-64-26, awarding a bid for the Hoover Recreation Center passenger elevator refurbishment and modernization to team elevator.

Yes, sir. The elevator at the rec center is far and away our busiest unit. It is greater than 37 years old. The parts are no longer produced, so they are obsolete, can't be bought. So this would upgrade the innards, the cab insides, internals, cabling, lighting, and some aspects of the mechanical room, and possibly we would call that good for another 37 years.

Comments or questions for Mr. Conner? Not concerning this one. How's the elevator at the Met?

Depends on what day you ride it. I think they're both working pretty good right now.

Okay. All right. I'll take your word on that. Yes, sir. Thank you. Moving on to Resolution 896526, approving the second and final renewal of the agreement for bid 24-008, Municipal Street Sweeping Services with Sweeping Corporation of America. Mr. Todd.

Afternoon, how are y'all?

Good, how are you?

Good, this covers 40, excuse me, 54.7 miles, 52 times a week, 36 curb miles, four times a year. Four of those quarters include our gateways. We try to schedule those around important events like SEC baseball tournaments and things like that. So this is the third and final term for this particular contract.

Any comments or questions for Mr. Todd? Thank you, sir. You're also up for resolution number 896626, approving the second and final renewal of the agreement. for landscape maintenance services facilities in miscellaneous areas with Grow V Landscapes LLC. Mr. Todd, I'm going to go ahead and read the next few since they're pretty similar. Okay, go ahead. Resolution number 8967, approving the final renewal of the agreement for landscape maintenance services interchange gateway areas with Grow V Landscapes. Resolution number 89-68-26, approving the second and final renewal for agreement, landscape maintenance services, roadway areas with Alabama Turf Works. And let's see, resolution number 89-69-26, approving the first renewal of the agreement for bid, portable restroom facilities and services with A-plus portable restrooms.

Yes, I would note on the first two for Grovy for interchanges as well as facility miscellaneous areas, Grovy did request a CPI increase. The interchange and gateways is 63,344.16. And then facilities miscellaneous 42,339.23, a 3.2% CPI on those two.

That is noted. Any comments or questions regarding the grovey landscapes? All right. Anything to add for numbers 18 and 19? You good?

Yes, sir. Thank you. That's it. Thank you.

Resolution number 897026, authorizing the mayor or president of the city council to request assistance for the Alabama Department of Examiners and public accounts regarding the Kroll audit. Mr. Waldrop.

This resolution is asking that the examiner's office extend their jurisdiction over the Kroll reports. There were two actual reports that were done during the last quadrennium. and there was some deficiencies that were without support and Kroll indicated that they were without the authority to go any further. So we're hopeful that with this resolution that the examiner's office will take a look at that and they have certain statutory authority that a private company doesn't have. It'll be up to them whether or not they actually get involved.

Comments or questions from council on this? Hearing none, we will move on to the regular agenda for resolution number 892526. Mr. Martin, you have quite a few here. 8926, I'm gonna read the properties instead of the resolution numbers. 2337 Tyler Road, 405 Cahaba River Estate, 1915 Buttercup Drive, 2258 Farley Road, 2260 Farley Road, 2942 John Hawkins Parkway, 2970 John Hawkins Parkway, 3475 Thomas C Lane, and 2152 Larchmont Circle. They must have gotten more rain than I have.

First frost can't come fast enough. Got a bit of a bumper crop we're dealing with here. So most of these, of course, are residential properties. There are two commercial properties in the mix on John Hawkins Parkway. My hope is that we can contact at least the representatives of those properties. There are two vacant commercial spaces that are listed. And so hopefully we can get those two knocked out. But, yes, as of right now, each of these locations is out of compliance with city code. We will have an update Monday night on each of them.

Very good. Hopefully some of these come off by Monday night. Any comments or questions for Mr. Martin? All right. Moving on to ordinance. First reading for ordinance 262711, ordinance to rescind ordinance number 029. relating to automatic burglar alarm systems. Ms. Dickerson.

Yes, after working with the building inspections department and the police department, This ordinance had governed automatic burglar alarm systems, including permitting false alarm penalties and enforcement. And these regulations are outdated and no longer reflect the current alarm technology or the police department practices. So this is basically going to rescind this. At some other point, if y'all want to adopt a different one, y'all can. But this will rescind that one since it's no longer in practice because this was quite a few years old, so. It was adopted, I think, back in 2002. So there's been quite a bit of changes in alarm systems since then.

Comments, questions for Ms. Dickerson? All right, moving on to a first reading for Ordinance Number 2627. 12, to amend Article 2, Administration and Review Procedures, Section 2, Conditional Uses of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Hoover, and to repeal all ordinances and parts of the ordinances of the City of Hoover in conflict therewith.

Yes, sir. I believe members of the council have been waiting on this one. The request of staff was to take a look at the conditional use section of our zoning ordinance and see if there was a way to reduce the timeline involved in the current process. Because we have... hearings and notifications at both the Planning Commission and City Council level, it's stretched that timeline out to where it really goes across two months on the calendar for Planning Commission approval and then turning around for the city council to consider the way the notification requirements are set up now. So working with the clerk's office as well as our city attorney's office, we propose the draft that's in front of you for a first reading on Monday night. The real meat of this is that it provides takes out the notification requirements leading up to the city council phase. So to give you the cliff notes version of how this would play out, you would still have the planning commission considering a conditional use application and formulating a recommendation. The submittal deadline as well as the required materials listed in this ordinance would be due 28 days prior to the planning commission meeting as it is now. that affords staff adequate time to review, get comments back to the applicant, and hopefully before we get to the Planning Commission meeting, and in a timely fashion before the meeting, we get the modifications and updates to that application before the Planning Commission hears the case. Where this is going to change is when we send out notice for the planning commission meeting, we're including on that notice the date of the city council considering the case. The idea here is to go ahead, once we receive a conditional use application, and have it on the council's agenda, the meeting following the planning commission meeting. So we're including you guys on the notice as well as the planning commission hearing. And so instead of having to wait upwards of a month after the planning commission meeting for the council to hear it, you would be hearing it a week later. So that's the, uh, in a nutshell, what we're trying to accomplish here shortens this process by several weeks.

I want to thank, um, everyone involved in creating this cause this has been a long time coming. I think, um, I think we have been wanting to reduce some of the bureaucracy that we see, and I think this accomplishes it without taking away any authority of any body. So I thank you for that. Comments or questions for Mr. Martin regarding this?

I have a question. I notice in the planning and zoning meetings when there's a continuance, they are told that another letter will not go out. Does that apply the same way if there's a continuance in this that a letter would not go out for the council as well?

I'm glad you noted that because that does change with this particular draft of the ordinance. So with each continuance, we would re-advertise, re-notice the new hearing for that particular item, along with the dates, not just of the planning commission meeting, but of the city council meeting that we anticipate it being on. on the agenda as well. It does come with additional fees each time there is a continuance, and the purpose of that fee is to try to take into account some of the additional funds that would be needed to send out the additional notice. But yes, under this draft, we would send out new notices. Got it, okay, thank you.

Other comments or questions? Thank you, Mr. Martin. Finally, we have a first reading for Ordinance Number 262713 to regulate the sale, possession, storage, and use of fireworks, novelties, and sparkling devices within the City of Hoover to establish a permit requirement for seasonal retailers to provide for inspection, enforcement, seizure, and penalties for violations and to provide for related matters. Chief Bentley.

Thank you, Mr. President, council and mayor. Currently our fire code prohibits the use or sale of any types of fireworks within our city limits. Back in 21 and 22, the insurance office for the state and the fire marshal's office carved out a fireworks designation called novelty items. The fireworks weren't reclassified. The state just took the fireworks out and called them novelty items. Those items are things that you would see like party poppers, snappers, toy smoke devices, snakes, glow worms, sparklers, those type things. Nothing that produces any kind of projectile or any kind of noise. We've been approached for several years to look at this and after evaluation, talking with the mayor and mayor's office, our city attorneys, other entities across the state, the draft before you proposes that the city allow the sale and use of these type of items only. In the ordinance, it would put us more in line with what the state requires. And so these items could only be sold in our city, and I'm sure you've read the ordinance, but it could only be sold twice a year. Um, these, um, um, devices would be delivered. They can't be stored on site. These, these individual fireworks have to be in a building that is protected by an automatic sprinkler system. It has to be inspected by the fire marshal's office before and after the material is placed for sale. And, um, We have talked to some departments across the state. I'm not using names, but I think data is, there's not enough data out yet to support yes or no. We're in favor of this for now. And we just, the mayor told us that if we see a problem, we'll rescind it. And so we think that that's the right thing to do. And so that's what the ordinance is in front of you now.

Very good. So Councilman Clinton can't have his own fourth home first in his backyard.

That is correct. That is correct.

With the automatic sprinkler systems, that also prevents these little pop-up stands that populate other municipalities during... Fourth of July, New Year's time.

That is correct. You can't have portable stands. If your building is not protected by an automatic sprinkler system, you can't sell these fireworks in our city. So these... would be kind of limited, I'm not saying there's other stores that can't sell them, but limited to things, stores like Lowe's, Home Depot, Target, Publix, Walmart, those type things, buildings is where you're gonna see these type of novelty fireworks distributed.

Any other comments or questions for Chief Bentley?

I have a question. I believe you said, and correct me if I'm wrong, you said these need to be delivered. What's the method of delivery?

So anytime you transport any type of fireworks, they have to be transported according to DOT, Department of Transportation, and placarded on trucks. These fireworks have to be delivered in quantities that the store plans to sell for that period of time.

Not to the end user, to the retailer. To the retailer, that's correct. Okay, not to the end user. No. Okay, all right. Okay, I understand that.

So if XYZ store said they want to sell X amount of material or devices, then that's delivered to the store. They make deliveries on a regular basis. They also pick up the unsold products devices soon after, and I know that's hard to say, but soon after the holiday is over. And so a store can't house the stuff in a warehouse in the back of their building. We know that fireworks are used in our city. They're not purchased in our city right now, but you can purchase fireworks and those are distributed throughout the city and used and everything we do is pretty much complaint driven. We don't have the personnel or the people available to enforce that. We don't think this is gonna enhance that. The devices that will be able to be sold in our city are not those type devices.

Any other comments or questions for Chief Bentley? Thank you, sir. That is the end of our business portion. Any comments from council tonight? Any from the mayor? Yes.

I think we're all aware of the issue at Lorna Place, and I'm actually tired of hearing about them, to be honest with you. So today I've instructed our police chief to open up a criminal investigation and determine what's taking place. I instructed Attorney Waldrop to contact Danny Carr at the Jefferson County DA's office to make him aware of what we're doing. So we're dealing with them also. And we hope that that they'll get on this. The police department is actively checking what's taking place. But for this place to have no water for an extended period of time, it appears, we're going to find out exactly what's taking place, and we're going to do everything we can to make sure that these things don't continue to happen in our city.

Thank you. Thank you for following up on that.