City Council - Regular Meeting

of bills go over some minutes. First up is resolution 8815-26 authorizing the mayor execute documents related to the appointment of a successor trustee for the Edgar Gaines Aldridge Charitable Remainder Trust and requesting the resignation of the current trustee, Miss Harris. So basically like you just said, it just changes the the trustee for the uh trust account. Thank you very much. Uh any comments or questions from the council on this issue? I have a question. Okay. Um is there going to be a cost difference between regions and Raymond James? No, not that I know of.

So, no, not that you're aware of or No, that we're not aware of. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right. Moving on to resolution 881626 approving alcohol license for J&B VH LLC doing businesses as Vans located on 3601 Market Street. This is a new license and uh there are no uh nothing with the planning zone and police department. No issues.

Very good. And the next resolution deals with the same one is for um retail beer and the other is for retail table wine. So that would be resolution 881726 uh also at vons. Any questions about those two items? See none, we will move on. Resolution 881926 reappointing a member to the Hoover Arts Council of the City of Hoover. Miss Harris. Uh, this reappoints Tracy True Dismukes for another six-year term. Very good. Any comments or questions regarding this resolution?

Seeing none, we'll move on to resolution 8820-26, uh, authorizing the mayor, city council president, city clerk, and city treasurer to execute documents to implement updates as needed on accounts as designated on resolution 875426. Miss Harris. Okay. This just like you said this authorized them to under the resolution to handle uh such items on this account required banking items. Very good. Any comments or questions for number seven? I have a question. Um does it require just one person to make a modification or will it require more than one person to make a modification?

I'm not sure. I have to check with Wendy on that. I would think it would require all, you know, not just one. Okay. So, we don't have an answer. Can we have an answer by Monday? Yes. Very good. Moving on to number eight, resolution 882126 authorizing the mayor to execute an agreement of contract extension with Pritchard Industries for event cleaning services.

Yes, sir. Good evening, council. Uh, this would extend our cleaning contract with Pritchard from April 28th through September 30th. No change in scope, no change in rates. Um, the defined cleaning services are kind of relegated to the Met Complex, Randle House, Aldridge Gardens, and the Lakehouse. Very good. Any comments or questions for Mr. Connor?

Very good. Thank you, sir. Number nine, resolution 88226. uh authorizing the mayor execute a service agreement between the city of Hoover and the Miss Hoover Foundation. Uh there were some documents here that were not complete. So we are going to kick this item to May 11th agenda. Um resolution number 881226 authorizing the mayor to execute an agreement for contract extension with Stone and Suns electrical contractors for traffic signal and roadway lighting services. Mr. Pro,

that's correct. Stone and Suns works on an on call basis with our traffic team. Uh as you said, providing street lighting and traffic signal services, also address pedestrian signals. They have an onstaff electrician who supplements our crew and when they're in need of electrician, and they also do a lot of troubleshooting for our team. So, been working with the group for about five years or so, and they're a great partner for our team. Good. Any comments or questions for Mr. Proer on this side? Mr. President, is this an ongoing basis where they're on call or

Yes, sir. They're on call. So, it's a it was a three-year contract that had one extension. This will be the second extension, I believe, expires in January. Um, so so after this extension, it would go for they would have to renew, right? Be all fresh. Any further comments or questions? Seeing none, we'll move on to resolution 882326 rescending resolution number 679022 in accordance with a settlement agreement related to the Riverchase Village drainage repair. Hi Miss Rose.

Hey. Um, so this is just part of that agreement back in April of 2025. There's a settlement agreement with the parties at Riverchase Village in the city. out of that agreement. That is um how we're making those drainage repairs at Riverchase Village. One of the things that was done prior to the April 2025 settlement agreement is the city declared um the Riverchase Village property a nuisance because of the flooding, the drainage issues. So, one of the items in this law in the settlement was that um we the city would resend the declaration of nuisance. So, this is basically just housekeeping and paperwork so that we're in accordance with the settlement. Um, and it's that's it.

Very good. Can you give us an update on where that project Yes, sir. I'm so glad that you asked.

Almost like I was queued up for it. The first picture is a drone image and you can see there's not a hole there anymore. It's getting really close to being done. So, um, we're 90% complete, which is really exciting. Um, we have a little bit. Um, they're at Panda Express. Um, they've graded where a driveway, a drive-thru used to be. So, we've done two concrete pores today. Tomorrow, um, with weather permitting and scheduling, they're going to finish the concrete for the Panda Express driveway. Um they're going to be doing the asphalt for um that Walgreens, that parking lot that is closest to 31 and also the asphalt that is adjacent to Panda Express. So that should be done tomorrow. And then um the remaining things we have to do is we uh the contractor took down two light poles out in 31 rightway just so he could get room to work. So those need to be um installed u put back up by the electrical contractor. Um so basically once this the concrete and asphalt's done tomorrow there'll be some landscaping. There's going to be um minor grading sod and the irrigation um at Panda Express. Um but our final cost is looking like it's going to be just under two and a half million. We are going to come back to council with a change order because there were a few

things that needed to be adjusted in the field. We'll come back, but we're under that $2.5 million mark. Um, and we'll have more details on that in the very near future. And so the contract time, the contractor had until the end of June to finish it. And we're hopeful he'll be done next week. It may not be quote unquote substantial, but it's going to be um stable with landscape and paving out there. So, we're excited. We're ahead of schedule. Very good. What was the uh budgeted amount for this project? Um we have a four and a half million. So, we're under budget. So, yeah,

that's great. We're excited. All right. Thank y'all. I don't think you're done quite yet. Oh, sorry. Yes, sir. Just something quick for you and if you can have it by money is fine. Okay. Can I just get a GIS aerial shot of uh where the storm water drain starts at? Absolutely. I can do that. And I'm assuming this that that's the second perch is the inlet where it ties into right by 31. That's right. That's exactly where it ties cuts down. Okay. Gotcha.

And then I didn't even I can't believe it. I didn't ask you to turn the page over because I hit the microphone. You can see the concrete being done. And there's some removal of existing asphalt um that's going to be repaired and replaced hopefully tomorrow. But absolutely I can get that aerial of showing where the storm drain goes. Thank you. Mr. Smith, did you have anything to add? Yes, sir. Um Mr. Walder, is this the appropriate time in your opinion to remove the uh nuisance factor within the settlement or should we wait until the project is over? We we need to wait until it's no longer a nuisance.

Can one thing to add? I'm sorry to interject, Mr. City Attorney. The agreement stated that within 30 days of the project being bid, we would get rid of the nuisance. I think there's some other items that are upon um substantial completion we have to do. But of course, I would I'm going to defer to you because I'm no attorney. When do you in your opinion as engineer when will the nuisance be removed related? It is removed now because the drainage is functioning like it was designed to. Yes sir. It would be appropriate to do it now then. So in your opinion we're good to move forward or should we wait?

I think we should. There's no reason not to. It's if she's saying if the engineer has determined that it's no longer a nuisance and we were going to do it within 30 days and that's been accomplished. I I I misunderstood. I thought that they did not this was to uh go forward on removing the nuisance, but that's been accomplished now. Yes, sir. That's right. So, I'd say do that now. Continue with this resolution Monday night. Sure. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? Thank Okay. Thank you.

All right. Uh resolution 882426 authorizing the mayor to apply for a 2026 safe streets and roads for all grant through the United States Department of Transportation and committing matching funds. Mr.

Yes. So this is a parlay on a study that uh was initiated April 17, 2025, which was also an 8020 match. the total of that study was right at $75,000. Um, and we just matched 20% of that. But we did an Apple study in conjunction with sh with same for Laura Road. It goes just be from Chapel Hill Road to 31. Uh, so this was also working on with the regional planning commission in greater Birmingham. So the the reason for this study was to address pedestrian safety concerns, improve accessibility um and inform decision making on what needs to be done along the section roadway. So goals include enhancing pedestrian crossings, improving sidewalk connectivity, increasing visibility through lighting and roadway geometry and cha traffic flow. Um so what the team sane did through their study was they conducted field uh observations uh analyzed crash data uh they looked at high conflict areas with pedestrians and vehicles and then looked at the lighting through that corridor. Uh so recommendations that came out of that study include corridor wide upgrades, widening upgrades, new pedestrian infrastructure that includes signals, push buttons and crosswalks, uh geometric improvements, raised concrete islands and medians to better control traffic flow, uh midblock pedestrian uh crossings, um driveway modifications, closures, and sidewalk expansion. So that's all within a study that I can make available to you guys. in my office for the full study, but I did prepare cliff notes that I'll leave with you. Um, so the study's in hand and now it's time to parlay that. So we've checked a good box there. We also through the comprehensive plan that the city's done and project

prioritization is going to check a few more boxes through this grant app. So the funding opportunity is safe streets for all with US DOT. Once again, it's an 8020 match. So through the study they uh implementation cost estimate was right at $5.1 million. So through this grant we'll get an 8020 match. U so we're basically seeking approval for uh pursuing this grant application. Uh it would hit the budget cycle in 2027. So right now we're just getting permission to pursue the grant.

Very good. Uh comments or questions from council on this? Hey Scott, I I noticed there's a study. Did they come up in that study with a just a proposed rendering of what that would look like? They have so they have a detailed analysis as you go block by block and and recommended improvement. Do they got an overview or is it is this too lengthy to kind of consolidate it on one area? They have they have different for different areas whether they're addressing traffic or pedestrian. and they have the map highlighted with the areas of concern is a very good document with a lot of attachments to you won't give you won't give us that well I'll have it available reason being there is some sensitive information in there

um but I do have a cliff notes kind of given the brief synopsis of it for you guys but you yes please I encourage you to come down and go through it because it's fascinating go any other comments or questions very Okay. Thank you, Mr. Trump. We'll move on to resolution number 882626 authorizing the city clerk and the chief financial officer, city treasurer to execute documents related to the implementation of Wells Fargo positive pay. Dr. Lopez.

Good evening. Uh I think this is just a matter of uh we found out that the payroll account uh we're adding basically positive pay to the count and there requires various signatures. So this is all that's related to it's to help with fraud. Any comments, questions for Dr. Lopez? One question. Is there a cost associated with this or is it just with the positive pay? Yeah. Uh there is a cost. It's very nominal for what you're going to get protected from it. I'm talking probably less than $100 a month if that. Okay. Thank you. Dr. Lopez, is this for payroll? Yes. Yes. No cost to the employee. Oh, no. No, not to the employee. Okay.

No. And what does positive pay do? positive pay. What it does, we have it on our main big bank account for like all of our accounts payable already with regions. And basically what it does, we send a file to the bank after we prepare all of our checks. And it says um when they get a check for someone says, "Okay, I want to cash this." It's going to match against our file to make sure certain things match. If they don't, it kicks it out and will not actually cash that check. And in actually in the last two months, we've had probably five to 10 attempts on a region's account that got squaltched. So very good. Thank you, ma'am.

You're up for the next one as well, Dr. Lopez. Resolution number 882726 authorizing budget amendments, appropriations, a position title change, project fund transfers, and related actions for fiscal year 2026. Okay. So, the uh exhibit A, if you have that in front of you, uh that has these few items on it. I'll just go through those. Uh the first item is basically an in-n-out and it's related to the Brocks Gap uh development agreement where uh there was a a clause in there that the legal fees up to $20,000 would be reimbursed. We received that money from the developer and this will be budgeting that 20,000 and then uh budgeting the expense to pay the city attorney for those fees. Uh the second item is related to a position title change change in my department. Uh we recently had someone leave uh someone that we're putting under our budget manager and uh this has just involved changing a title. it doesn't involve any funds uh that we think will attract people uh more oriented to what they're going to be doing. So instead of just accountant, it's going to be a management budget analyst, which I think is my first title when I started finance 20 years ago. Uh so that involves no money. The third item on there is uh just budgeting the $200,000 contribution related to the SEC from the Greater Birmingham Convention and Visitors Bureau. That's just an in and out. So, we got the money and then allowing them to spend the money. Uh the fourth item is related to some fire software and just switching that around. Uh they're I think they're changing the type of software they're going to use. Uh so that's no additional money. Item

five, this is related to uh a matching grant regarding the Lock Haven Park. uh engineering has identified uh $200,000 worth of projects that are now complete. They have balances of $200,000 that we're going to use as the matching part of this grant. So, that's kind of an in and out. And the sixth item is just a true up item that uh we noticed in the budget for um it's an ALDOT reimburseable fund and there should have been an additional amount of revenue budgeted because that fund always is 100% revenue and expense offsets and this is just trueing up that area.

Very good. Any comments, questions for Dr. Moving on to resolution number 882826 authorizing the mayor to execute an agreement of contract extension with Boundry Medical for medical supplies for fire department EMS. Thank you, Mr. President. Council, this is an agreement with Boundry Medical for our EMS medical supplies excluding medical oxygen that you you you approved that just a few months ago. Um, this is just a standard agreement. We've been using Boundary for many years and happy with their services. Very good. Any comments or questions for Chief B?

Thank you. Moving on to resolution 883026 um authorizing the mayor to execute a renewal enterprise license agreement with ESRI for the city's geographic information system software. Mr. Council, Mr. President, um this is a every three years our GIS software platform comes up for renewal. Uh we qualify for a small ELA since we're less than 100,000 people. Um this is our entire GIS platform for all of our mapping data across the city. this renewal, we're going to see about a $3,000 increase, which is about 5.8% increase if I remember correctly uh from three years ago.

Comments, questions? All right, moving on to the next item is resolution number 883126 authorizing the mayor execute an agreement with Charter Communications Spectrum for Internet Services for Fire Station One. Yeah. So, this is the new Fire Station One. Um all the other fire stations we've moved away from charter TV services because of price changes that we no longer get reimbured for from FCC changes in law. Um we now provide internet there and this allows the officers to have access to internet without being on the city network uh not officers but the firemen uh from there and they can also do their streaming TV services as well too and it can be used for other equipment and stuff there as well.

Comments or questions for this item? I have a question. Um, on the agreement with Charter, it shows over Spectrum, it shows a $25 Wi-Fi, business Wi-Fi. What is that? That will actually be removed uh from the contract on that one. Uh, we'll actually run the uh internet through a checkpoint firewall there. It will actually hit our existing APs that we use for the city Wi-Fi. So, that charge will actually come off. It won't be on there. Okay, good. All right. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Moving on to resolution 881826 reappointing a member to the Hoover Board of Education for a term of five years. Miss Harris,

this reappoints Alan Pquette to the Hoover Board of Education for a 5-year term beginning their regular scheduled meeting in June 2026. Comments or questions regarding this item? Seeing none. Resolution number 882526 authorizing the mayor to execute a professional services agreement with TSW design for a multi-phase branding and entry signage design project. Mr. Mer,

so you have in your packet a copy of the proposal from TSW Design. As you stated, this is uh centered around uh redesign of the C the entry uh signage package, which right now we have a variety of throughout the city. TSW has performed rebranding projects in a number of communities throughout the southeast and specializes in wayfinding, entry sign development with public involvement. Uh as part of of that component process, uh this would bring us to a point where we basically have a visual depiction and locations of these signs to present to council for concurrence and a rough estimation of cost that will allow us to budget for these in future capital cycles.

Very good. Comments or questions for this item? Does this also include uh logos and other items or just signage? We see some we talking about logo as well too. So the logo they will take into account all the city's current and former branding and incorporate that

anythingation but it is possible that they may recommend options for the council to consider. Mr. President um how many entryways into the city will this cover?

So the number of entryways and this again is not a construction exercise. This is only about design. Uh I do think because of rightway uh provisions and distance site distance that we will need multiple sign designs to kind of meet our needs in different areas. But the main focus will be on the highest volume access points to the city. Um, and then a couple of the ancillary ones. So, we're going to look at initially six primary gateway signs and then eight secondary sign locations. Uh, that's a rough estimation based on our our count, but with the design, we're basically going to have a high and low volume uh sign package, and you'd be able to deploy those further as funds allowed.

Very good. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Uh, Mr. Munger, the amount listed in the contract covers what right now? It it does not, based on what I'm understanding, it doesn't actually cover the signs. It just covers the study of how much it would cost.

No. So, the all the activities are outlined in items one through three. Uh, basically it this is a professional services contract. Uh, it covers your public outreach. It covers your initial design uh consideration basically graphic design, concept development and plan development up to the point where we would be able to uh turn this into something that's bid ready. So there is no actual signage associated with this. This is basically development of the project that would eventually be a capital consideration because it would be a significant expense for the full roll out of this. And I do anticipate that that will be a multi-phase project which is why we kind of have the hierarchy of the primary entryways to the city and then the secondary access points.

One more question. So this is just to get it started. Correct. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Last question, Mr. President. Question. So, do they do you have a um just a template of I guess the intersection or areas that you they plan on taking a look at if if they do can we get it's not included in your packet. I do have a yeah I do have a starting point but ultimately that's something that they are going to work with us on about uh as you know right away varies greatly throughout the city. Yeah. And so but I do have a list of those that I can send to you.

Yeah. if you can't. And look, you sent it, I understand, tenative if Yeah. So, I'm not holding you to it, but it'll be great to have that. Thank you. Yes, sir. Mr. President, do we have a rough idea of how much one of those Dunwy signs would cost by any chance?

I do not. Uh, right off hand, I know they they have a variety of different signage packages. A lot of them are on ALDOT rightway. A lot of them are illuminated. Uh there's a lot of different considerations, but um a rough estimation of a monument style entry sign would be in the order of magnitude of around $100,000 a piece I think is a good kind of placeholder for a large one depending on if you have to acquire property, bring up energy to it, possibly irrigated it if it has different landscaping, but the complexity of the design will drive a lot of that. And then um one other question is if we get the logo design work and all of that is that then are we committed to using this company to use the design work that they've basically proposed for us for 30K.

So we would own the design. Uh they would there would not be a perpetual mandate to work through them for those things. we could certainly use or dis disconnect with them in the future if it was desired. But uh they are not a construction design firm. They are a planning and design firm. So this is something that they generally uh help you settle on concepts, locations and then sort of handed off for implementation to the local level. I think the important thing is here is that that this project would would move or facilitate it in the correct manner that does public input, council input, mayor's office input, city branding is certainly important to the city moving forward and we would hope that this would last for uh you know the first logo I don't know how long it was but it was it was pretty old the Kahaba River for a long time. So, uh, unfortunately, many of us felt like the last branding didn't go as planned or or was well crafted. Um, so hopefully this time around it will it will stick. Any other questions or comments? Very good. We will move on to resolution number 882926 authorizing the mayor to execute an agreement with central Alabama water for the installation of fire hydrants within the Everly development.

Thank you, Mr. President. Council, this is standard agreement for the installation of five fire hydrants in the um approved um Everly community that is uh has been approved standard contract for public hydrants. The developer installs the hydrants, pays for rental for the first three years, and then the city assumes those as public hydrants and rents those hydrants after those three years. Everything. Thank you.

All right. Ordinance number 262692 u to modify chapter 11.5 parks and recreation there too and repeal all ordinances and parts of the ordinance of the city of Hoover in conflict therewith. Any changes from the first rendering? Miss Kobal any comments or questions from the council? I have one question come down after all. I'm sorry. place.

Miss Schultz, who all was was took part in modifying the rules? We had a team of different people from um departments such as park and wreck, park maintenance, police, and fire. So, park rangers were involved as well. Absolutely. And one of the park rangers, I believe his last name is Hallmark. Is that right, CJ? Is it possible? He he told me that he worked extensively on this. Um, is it possible for them to be here on Monday to be recognized for the work they did? Sure, we can ask them. Do they want to be? I don't know if they want to be. Okay. Yeah, I think you would be fine to come.

They should be recognized for what they did. Apparent they did a lot of work on this and and it would be nice to recognize them as well. Well, they're the ones enforcing them if something's going wrong. So, Okay. Sure. If they're here, we'll recognize them. If they want to stay home, that's Well, they won't be at home. They'll be working. But yes, sure. Thank you, Mr. President. Erin, um all the the ballparks, did they participate any or um It was strictly internal staff. Okay. Um have they been advised what's coming from the first reading? I don't know for sure, but we can

I would think that maybe they would want to know what's coming to have an opportunity to show up Monday night if they're in disagreement with any of the rule changes. Thank you. All right. The next few will be first readings. Uh, ordinance 262695, ordinance to amend zoning ordinance of the city of Hoover, Alabama pertaining to the sale of consumable hemp products. Uh before you begin, Mr. Back, uh Miss Harris, can you mute Councelor Smith's microphone for me, please? Go ahead, Matt.

Well, Mr. Schulz came up to me beforehand, said he had a few softball questions for me, so uh not on this one. All right, so consumable hemp. Uh this is something that uh we've been working on for quite some time. Uh we began um earlier in 2025 uh trying to craft an ordinance to address these products in our community. Um I think we've we've presented to this body before concerning some of the concerns that we had about these products. Uh we had a team assembled planning and zoning as well as economic development and uh our police department uh with concerns about location of of these kinds of operations and the products themselves. we were starting to see uh stores popping up in the metro area that were selling products that really um at first glance were being marketed as other products uh with only subtle differences and so it was easy to see how especially uh youths could get their hands on these products and uh mistake them for for others. So there was a uh there was growing momentum to address this issue uh through our business licensing as well as our zoning ordinance. Uh and then the state legislature uh stepped in last summer, the end of their last legislative session and adopted uh some basic ground rules for these products and who could sell them. So they really did a lot of the heavy lifting for us and allowed us to um adjust based on what the state law

is today. Uh so in essence uh the state is requiring that any and all entities uh businesses that are selling consumable hemp products be licensed through the ABC. and there are some certain requirements in order for them to obtain their ABC license. And so by and large what we are proposing and again I'm presenting the zoning piece. Uh it was uh our our legal team's opinion that we should bifrocate the zoning piece and into an ordinance and then we have a separate ordinance that we address the licensing piece but the two will work together. So, the zoning, we're dealing with the location of where uh consumable hemp stores can locate and where consumable hemp products can be sold. And since uh the state helped us with in essence treating them in many ways like liquor stores and they're having to get licensing through the ABC board just like liquor stores do. It gave us uh a degree of confidence to address them like liquor stores within our zoning ordinance. Uh so as far as placement is concerned uh we are looking at the C2 and C3 base commercial districts as well as the PC and PI planned commercial and planned industrial districts in our planned unit developments across town. Uh these particular stores consumable hemp stores uh being considered with conditional use approval only. So they would have to come before the planning commission and this body uh before they were able to

obtain conditional use and proceed on with licensing. Now as far as the rules are concerned placement within those districts they would abide by the same buffering requirements as liquor stores. Uh so that includes being limited to locations that are with or outside of a 1,00 foot radius from places of worship, single family residential neighborhoods, schools, public parks, public spaces, spaces where um children gather and play and uh and the like. So in addition to that, there is also a buffer requirement between individual consumable hemp stores and liquor stores. So in other words, you would not be able to locate a consumable hemp store next to a liquor store. You would have to have that 1,000 ft buffer. So, just to give you in your mind's eye, uh, an idea of how many potential locations we could have in the city. Uh, we're roughly looking at three general areas where we could have locations that meet those buffer requirements. One in the vicinity of the uh, exit 150 459 interchange. uh one uh Valley Road near the interchange with 65 and then uh I wouldn't rule out all of the 280 corridor um having a having a location that would qualify. So those are in general terms the three areas of town that we find would be eligible for that kind of uh operation. Now, I will note that we do in the zoning ordinance have

uh a grandfathering section. I know we have established businesses in the community that were selling as their primary principal use consumable hemp products before the state law went into effect. And if uh they are able to obtain their ABC license, if they can prove that they've been in continuous operation, and if they can prove that they're abiding by all of the rules that the state has put into place, uh this ordinance does allow for those to be grandfathered in and to continue operation until there is a transfer of ownership of the property. the business closed down closes down the business changes uses and uh so forth. I will also note that those that are grandfathered according to this ordinance uh would not be able to expand in their current location uh they are held if you will in a time capsule the size and scope of their operation as it is on the day the ordinance is adopted. So, I know this is a a a big undertaking and uh if you guys have any questions that come up over next couple of weeks as we prepare for second reading, be glad to try to address those.

Comments or questions for Mr. Martin.

To be clear, then the state has made it that if you're a liquor store, you cannot sell this product as well. Is that correct? If you are a liquor store, you can sell these products. You just cannot have under our zoning ordinance the way it's written, you cannot have a consumable hemp store locate adjacent to a liquor store. But if it was inside, if I already have a liquor store, I could add this product to the inventory. Is that correct? That's my understanding. You can uh get your ABC in under hours as well.

Yes, sir. Just out of curiosity, why is 280 corridor the consumable hemp corridor it seems like compared to the others?

Well, I just said I would not um rule out there being a location along 280. Um 280 is a very large highway oriented commercial district. Um there are a lot of segments where single family residential neighborhoods are 1,000 ft away from the frontage. Um there are some places of worship, some institutional facilities that would require the distance uh buffer in place, but um that's just a very large corridor with um very spread out uses and um some of the areas that we would be buffering like neighborhoods and the like uh there's a lot of distance between those. So, I wouldn't rule out that there is a location or two on 280. That's by no means uh suggesting that you're going to end up with a line of these.

I feel like that might be the uh public's next question hearing 280 corridor specifically. Again, that's concerning. Yeah. If you have a for instance, I know we have a liquor store operating at Inverous Corners that vicinity. So we would be looking at 1,000 ft from that establishment. Uh we do have some single family neighborhoods adjacent to the commercial corridor. So there's a 1,00 ft buffer away from those as well, but to but I couldn't rule out that there would be a space on 284 an operator to go.

Mr. Martin. Um, how do you know off the top of your head how many liquor stores we currently have? Let me see. That's a good question. Uh, right off the top of my head, I couldn't give you a exact count. Is that a query that we can run? Sure. Um, you said this is one part. So, this is the zoning part. Next, we come the licensing ordinance. Yes, sir. I believe the first reading for that is a little later in the agenda.

Okay. So, uh we're taking both of those. Mr. Walter, what's preventing the city if the council so decided to is it required of the city to to take this on to to zone and license this sellable product? or could could the city if so chosen have a moratorum in perpetuity?

We've had a moratorum. The moratorum is up. This is an area that has been preempted by the state and I think it's very much like u and Johnny you can chime in if you got a different thought but I think it's very much like um the physical therapy the state has a physical therapy board and you can get a license for physical therapy. Well, many municipalities don't like the fact that a physical therapist could be mistaken for a massage parlor, but if they've got a physical therapy license through the lensure board, then they can have that business. It's a legitimate business. It's very similar to that. the state is as Macka says that they've uh given us some guidance I suppose but they've actually preempted this and said you you can sell these products under these instances here. So could you extend a moratorum? I suppose you could if somebody challenges it. I think you got the short end of the stick. Johnny got a different thought. I I agree with that and to I don't know Mac if that's on the the my understanding is the second component with the from this was going to come at the next meeting that that and that would be the licensing part. Uh it's going to obviously uh consider the state law that was passed, but we wanted to get the zoning component in first and then we'll follow up um with the licensing part, which we can go into some more detail when that's presented to the council.

Very good. I can just see where some people would would ask us, well, why are we even allowing this in the first place? Legitimate question. They need to talk to their state legislators. M. Smith, you have since we've cracked that door. Um, Mr. Waldup, if you remember when M. Ivy was president of the council, we had a establishment that opened down the road on Highway 31 that they claimed that they were a medical facility. They weren't. I don't think they are. Um, that's the one that I was not the city attorney, but I'm familiar what you're talking about. That's when it was litigated. And I'm sure you talked to Gary quite a bit.

I know. Um the city had those same uh restrictions with the thousand ft from residential and and schools and churches and things like that. And we lost in court. Sure did. Um what would keep us from losing in court with these rules as well? I you know, I'd have to go back and look at that case. We're talking about something that was about 15 or 16 years ago. Oh, that's long.

It might have been long with it, but but I I recall I recall the the case and it and very very much like the physical therapist when he gets licensed. I mean, that's an area that's been preempted. Um I don't I don't think that case turned on the fact that it was a,000 ft from a church or residential neighborhood. I I think it turned on the the way that the ordinance was actually written. The the prohibited items that were sold, which were items that going from memory were items that the court determined were uh matters that were legal in interstate commerce and the city was attempting to stop the sale of those items.

And Mr. Smith. That's a that's that's some of the reasoning behind our two-fold aspect of this so that the city has some control over the zoning aspect. So number one, where where those businesses are allowed and then number two licensing which will uh you know I wouldn't say mirrors 100% but it's compliant with the the the state law with regard to the sale of the products and the licensing requirements. But municipalities generally have uh pretty broad control of the zoning aspect of it. So that gives the city an additional uh control over uh not only what products are sold, but where they're sold.

And u say Mac. Yes, sir. And I believe Mr. Brunson's correct. I misread item number 27. Um I do not believe that is the licensing piece. So no. Okay. So next meeting next. Okay. So how long in effect then the moratorum will remain in effect until or a consumer will hit I think it expires in May. So you can't the ordinance cannot become effective until the mortorium expires. Gotcha. Okay. Very good.

And how long before the second second part having to do with licensing? How long before that would come? That'll that won't take you pass it whenever you choose, but it won't take effect until the mortorium is over. Understand? We anticipate that expires by its terms sometime in May. Sorry. That also predates our service and we anticipate having that um for a first reading at the next council meeting. Okay. Thank you.

Councelor Smith, for your edification, just as an aside, the state for the same the the the same business, the same sort of products that the city litigated and lost. The state legislature did try to preempt that area and prohibit the sale of those anywhere. And I don't know if he's related to you, but his name is Judge Smith. Lynwood Smith was the federal judge that killed that. So,

old emails I can forward to you. We will move on to ordinance number 262696 to amend the zoning ordinance of the city of Hoover pertaining to conditional use applications.

Okay. So, this particular amendment uh proposal was born out of a conversation I had with a couple of council members related to uh conditional use cases. Um the question was raised if we have a conditional use application that can generally be considered a slam dump. There's no uh opposition to it. Is there a need uh for that process to drag out a month with the planning commission and then another month with the city council uh while you have a a business that's trying to get their permitting in order and get up and running. Uh so just taking a crack at it. Uh this particular amendment in short would allow for the approval of the planning commission to be uh the terminal step. If there is no opposition uh voiced uh to our department or voiced at the public hearing of the planning commission. And uh and if we have a case where um no party is in opposition to that particular application, uh it would shave a month off of the process. Um, and so I outlined that as well as uh instances where if the planning commission were to not grant the conditional use, were not to recommend favorably, uh, the city council comes in as u the terminal step. The applicant can appeal the planning commission's decision to the city council. If we have anyone speak in opposition either to our

office before the planning commission or at the planning commission meeting, uh that item would automatically continue on to this body. Uh or if the planning commission approves an application and there may not be any opposition to it, but the planning commission places a condition or conditions on approval that agrieve the applicant. the applicant has the ability to continue on and bring that to the city council. So again, it was uh this was born out of a conversation or a couple of conversations related to the time frame um some complaints that we received from applicants having to wait that additional month when there did not appear to be any opposition. And so we tried to forge a way to shorten that time frame. Um, so this was just our attempt to do that.

Very good. Um, comments, questions. Mr. Martin, few questions. Uh, the first is would it be fair to say that planning and zoning commission meetings are not as well attended as as council meetings are by the public?

Well, depends. um you know I would say that there is less general attendance to the meetings but uh as far as responding to notification that goes out the notification that we have for the planning commission and the city council levels are the same for conditional uses. So, if somebody were to have not um not objected to an item, but then they see it reported uh that this item was on there, they didn't receive a notification for whatever reason, what time frame would this particular ordinance put in place where somebody could object to it or would it take would it be immediate?

It would be immediate according to this ordinance. Okay. And so, um, is there a way to, uh, let us know ahead of time the conditional use items that that are going to be on there? That are Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. How far ahead of time?

Uh, we can inform the council when we have the agenda together for planning commission. It says here uh in se section B a minimum of 14 days prior to the planning commission meeting at which the conditional use request is to be considered the planning and zoning department shall mail notification to all owners of property within 500 ft of the subject site. Notice shall also be provided to city council members. Yep. So within 14 days you have a twoe period and all we would have to do is say we would object to it and then automatically it goes to the council. Is that correct? Yes sir. That's correct. Okay.

You said notice to your office. So if uh the city clerk were to receive a letter of opposition, would that count? That person having to be physically present? We would accept that. One other question. How many other cities in the state do you know use this type of of method?

There are a number of municipalities um believe it or not that structure their conditional use applications to where the planning commission is the terminal step regardless. Um in fact uh my previous place of employment in Athens that was the way the city council set up conditional uses in that jurisdiction. Uh we were challenged on that. Um you know our ordinance was a model ordinance that one of our prominent consultants in the state helped develop. So it just it wasn't just our community. There were communities all across the state that adopted that model and when challenged on it uh the court actually threw the case out citing that uh you would have so much disruption in the way cities are currently handling that process. It is the city council's prerogative if they want to delegate the conditional use authority to their planning commission. that's well within their right to do so. If they want to retain that particular ability, that's their right to do so. Um, so there are a number of communities that operate in that manner. Um, I just as a as a practitioner for the city of Hoover, I didn't think that was wise to disrupt the tradition that we have to that degree to where I'm proposing the planning commission be the terminal step. And I had concerns even in my previous uh position about the appeals route. Uh if if there were agrieved parties, there was not a way for them to appeal to the city council. That was a concern of mine. So we tried to um split the baby, so to speak, with this particular route. uh offering

opportunities for the application to um to come to you guys either for appeal or if there is opposition. So it's a bit of a hybrid. Mr. Walter, I have I have a a question here. So the statement that I read previously a minimum of 14 days prior that they will mail notification to all owners of property. Uh, and then a sentence notice shall be provided to city council members. It doesn't state how that notice will be provided, do we?

It doesn't, but I would assume that that would be done by email and have a discussion with Mac about it, but that would be I would assume that as well, but that could be spelled out if you wanted to say it's going to be by email and US mail. I I think I think we need to stipulate email. We can make that change. I don't want future councils to say, "Well, we lost it in the mail." I know I know we're in a position to administer it that way if the council so chooses.

I've I've got a question that Athens challenged. Did they Did they challenge the council's authority to delegate or did they challenge the decision? It was the uh ability of the council to delegate that authority. They were agrieved the party by a decision that our planning commission made and so they attacked it from that angle.

Okay. Just want to make sure I understood. So I the the in researching this, it does say that state law authorizes the city council to delegate it to planning and zoning. And in researching it, I found I asked what cities do it. The only one that came up was Athens, but there may be more. And ironically, the two cities that came up that said they don't do it is Irondale and Hoover uh that do it the way we're doing it right now. So, uh, this you're doing this strictly out of or you're requesting this strictly out of a matter of expediting the process. Is that right?

There were concerns raised by applicants of the conditional use process as well as in conversation with council members just questioning is there a better way? So, this is an attempt at a hybrid. Further comments, questions? Yeah, Mr. President, I want to clarify. You want the draft to say that the notice to the city council will be by email to your city council domain and by US mail to your home address. I don't think we need US mail.

Okay. So, it's just going to be by email to your city council domain only. Okay. All right. We can make that change for Monday night to keep reading, right? Any other comments, questions, Mr. President? I just just as an overall thought process of just checks and balances. I mean, you think you have we have two bodies reviewing right now. A body that's appointed and a body that is elected.

And you know, just talking out loud my when I think about this, there are different factors that are at play in both of those decisions. Uh, and I believe that, you know, checks and balances are not always a bad thing when it comes to government and expediting things. So, that's just my two cents on that. I agree with you. So, my take on this is that I commend Mr. Martin for bringing this forward to cut the bureaucratic tape that

I think many of us that the bureaucracy of government frustrates all of us. So, if we can cut the red tape for business owners where, like he's saying, it's a slam dunk process to give them extra months to get started, I think that's a good thing. Uh, one single person objects, including any of the council members, it comes before. So, we still have those checks and balances if any of us so desired, but we're not going to know about it until after planning and zoning is through with it. No, sir. We'll get 14 days notice. Okay. Before before the planning and zoning is hearing the case on any one item

on any on any conditional use. Okay. We will get a 14-day notice beforehand. And and uh during that 14 days, are we expected to respond? If you if you want it to come before council, okay, you're expected to respond. Okay. I was just wondering what after notification, how is our responsibility built into that? Do we wait for a council meeting or we supposed to do something prior to that? He just said notice to his office. So you can just email planning and zoning office, city clerk, and that request will be will count as a as a opposition

all the way up to and including uh if you want to make an appearance at the planning commission meeting and speak, that's an opportunity as well. Thanks, sir. Just one quick thing, Mr. President. Uh Maggie, your experience with Hoover uh things that come before the the uh planning uh and zoning, how much how many of them really percentage wise or uh confrontational or from a conflict standpoint? 80 20 What do you think? I would say 20 to 25%.

25. So um is it best to have a um instead of waiting for 14 days since 80 75% just go through with no challenge. Um if anyone makes a claim or a concern that it automatically gets raised through the regular process. Yeah, if there is a if there's a concern that's voiced um to the to the extent that any resident feels like it needs some additional oversight and would object to the planning commission being the terminal step. Yeah. We would accelerate it to this group.

Yeah. Because if it gets to that point and nine times out of 10 we start getting emails, we're going to automatically see it. So if they on record say they they would like to make a um amendment or claim to up to us then it is naturally goals here especially if it's 25 versus 75%. So most things will go through smooth no problem we will see those things anyway. That's right there 20 25%. Should we just allow that as the we That's what he's saying. Any opposition at council meeting uh email prior to I mean at the planning and zoning meeting our emails prior.

I'm just trying to make sure it's not dependent on our uh need that we want to hear it. Oh no, it's okay. It's so it's automatic. We were saying it's automatic if it's opposition and it it go it comes here regardless if we don't want to. If there's any opposition, it comes to this body. I understand. Okay. And then Mr. President, I have another question. So the 500 foot uh mailer essentially. So let's take Tatteraw for an example. You have Tatterol Park. Does that 500 ft apply because how how would that be engaging the community? The 500 ft applies

local businesses nearby or is it residential? Because it's going to be more than 500 feet to do residential. And I think in that situation it would be pivotal. You know, I think the worst thing that could happen is somebody 500 feet away gets something and then a whole neighborhood's missed. The the 500 feet is measured from the perimeter of the property in question. Uh so let's just say we have something that's looking to come to the 31 acre parcel that is undeveloped. Every property owner within 500 ft of the periphery or perimeter of that site would be notified. Uh, so businesses, residences, uh, whoever.

So I I don't think that that neighborhood would be 500 feet wouldn't cut it for that situation. I'd have to double check. Uh, I know the city owns a strip of land between that track and Burwick. Um but uh if memory serves, we were sending notices to some of the residences in Berwick, that that sector of Greystone when we were dealing with zoning case not too terribly long ago. Yeah, I never received but I mean I don't live near Burwick. So

yeah, it it would just be the property owners within 500 ft. I I can tell you this to Ashley's uh councilwoman Levelley's point when we had that challenge with uh a particular entity on 280. One other step that was done is to put a work to try to put notices on those neighborhood pages as well too uh of those particular areas. Um because a foot off can uh determine if it's going to be one person at the meeting versus three or fourund people an objection. So I know Wendy worked to make that happen. So maybe we put some other controls in place to try to put those especially get to know uh I think we have a list of the neighborhood associations and the presidents. That's an easy fix if we have something close by that. So maybe we put some controls in place for that as well too

perhaps. Um I I do know that just in dealing with neighborhoods and the associations those do tend to have some overturn over time changes in management and yeah but I'm just finding the solution focus just trying to because I I hate for some come here and then all of a sudden uh we get we get caught you know. So anyway to be transparent we we just trying to do the best we can. I think the the goal is to make sure the public is aware and that we're being transparent. This is not a ordinance to try to slip anything under the rug.

Uh this is an ordinance to be more businessfriendly and to get people making money faster right in the city. Because under the current um ordinance that we have and operate, we're sending the same notice out. We're sending it to 500 ft. uh all property owners within 500 ft of the subject site. We're just doing it twice now. We're sending a mailer uh 14 days in advance of the planning commission meeting and we're doing the same thing prior to the city council public hearing. Uh but the the scope of that notice is not changing.

This is one of the things that the mayor had in his campaign platforms is trying to reduce the red tape and starting to do business in the city. That's right. And I think this would assist in uh helping him with his promises. And look, this this body is going to have to take some onus as well. So, if you see something within that 14-day notice that gets emailed to you, you know, share it. Be transparent with with your constituents and if there's an issue, you bring it up to to the office and it'll, you know, it'll come to the council for for approval or denial. Sure. Any other comments or questions regarding this item?

Okay, Mr. Martin. Moving on to ordinance number 262698 to reszone property located at 2333 Farley Place from R1 to RLSF.

Yes, sir. Uh, this particular zoning case covers a single family residential property in the Bluff Park neighborhood. Uh the desire of this property owner is to remodel the home on the site, including an unenced but covered front porch uh on the premises. Uh we've we've actually had several cases like this here uh in fairly quick succession. And so uh they are asking for the legacy single family residential district to accommodate that front porch. uh the submittal including the survey with the proposed uh porch addition would meet the development criteria of that legacy district.

Any comments or questions regarding this item? Planning commission um voted to recommend possibly posit positively to this this body. We'll move on to resolution number 881326. This would be set for a public hearing. Uh declaring a certain structure to be a public nuisance, providing for a public hearing, and directing the abatement thereof.

Yes, sir. We have a bad one. Um a tree fell through this house. It's located on Tyler Lane. Uh we started receiving complaints about it and um we went and inspected the premises, found that the structure the structural integrity of the building was undermined. uh building department concurred. This is an unsafe structure and is in need of abatement. Um I actually personally called the owner uh last summer. It's an absentee owner. He lives in Oregon. My understanding is he bought the property site unseen and um had an idea to renovate and remodel and then the tree fell on it and it's been in its current state for quite some time. Um, I let him know that uh I was going to be in fiscal 2026 asking for a budget and my operational uh budget to remedy this to abate this to have this nuisance declared by the council and abated and so uh should come as no surprise.

Very good. Any comments or questions? We will move on to ordinance number 262697 to amend the short-term rental ordinance of Hoover, Alabama.

Okay. Uh this particular ordinance amendment, uh what staff is proposing is that the week long carveout uh that is in the current ordinance for short-term rentals to operate in single family residential districts is removed from the ordinance. Uh the ordinance actually allows for anyone who owns a single family residence in one of our single family districts to rent out their house for one week a year uh for special events. Um the the manner in which the ordinance was crafted has the applicant going through essentially the same application process as a full-time short-term rental where they are submitting the application packet, the floor plan with the exit strategy for our our fire services fire marshal to review uh the business license component. And what we have found our department is that this is just very very difficult to enforce. Uh to this day we have not had a single applicant go through that process um and obtain a license to do a oneweek short-term rental uh in a single family district. So, um, our thought is to simplify the ordinance and take that condition or that, uh, particular item out and, uh, it wouldn't be an enforcement matter. Uh, from the standpoint of us trying to go chase down a license for one week. It would be more of an enforcement matter if we get complaints about a short-term rental operating in neighborhoods as we do now.

Comments, questions for Mr. Martin. Mr. President M, do we have the capability to receive a complaint and respond appropriately within that time frame before they're gone and it's over with?

Uh, very rarely do we get the complaint in time to catch them in the process. uh if if it is operating on a weekly basis uh weekby-eek basis um usually by the time that we get in contact with the owner of the premises the short-term renter is gone. U now we do get complaints for those that are operating short-term rentals on a longer term basis. You know they may have turnover every week but they're operating the house as a short-term rental on a longer term basis. and we've actually had several that we've closed down. Uh but chasing after the the one weekek one offs is very difficult.

So how effective is this going to be? I don't know that this is actually going to change any behavior, but at least what from our standpoint, you know, we aren't opening the door for one of these to legally operate in a week. Um, and we're not having to chase it down for licensing. Do we have the opportunity to invite the owners of those properties to go visit with Judge Bishop? That's just receive a fine. Pardon?

They just receive a fine or can they go be invited to visit with Judge Bishop? Typically, if uh once our code enforcement officials respond and the short-term rental is no longer in operation, the short-term rentals are gone and we don't see evidence of there being any advertisement, we close the case. Right. Thank you, Mr. President. What's the definition of a special event? Is there any It's just like, hey, I've got There's special event.

There is no definition. Uh actually this my understanding is when this ordinance was crafted uh that was an 11th hour addition that didn't come from our department. Uh I think one of our one of members of staff no longer here but they were here at the time um had just been to the Masters and thought well this is a great idea. We should we should allow this uh when SEC tournament rolls around. And it was inserted into the ordinance very late in the drafting process. Interesting. Good to know.

Thank you. Um, I would invite y'all to follow the Orange Beach Police Department during spring break for short-term rentals. They're killing it on social media. Uh, the elephant in the room house party showing up and I mean, they they didn't get checked in good before they were they're gone. So, uh, they really cracked down on on the family-friendly atmosphere of spring break and targeting short-term rentals, uh, that were being used improperly. So, uh,

yeah, our point is with this right now, we have enough room for someone to get the toe in the door for a week and it's just difficult for us to enforce that. So, we just our preference would be for that not to be in the ordinance. Very good. Any other comments? Great. We will move on to ordinance 262699 to provide for the levying of municipal taxes for the city of Hoover and for the assessment and collection of such taxes. Dr. Lopez, this is basic housekeeping, correct?

Yes, I think you stated it greatly. I mean, perfectly. So, yes, it's just a annual levy of a property tax. Comments or questions? Okay, we'll move on to setting a public hearing for resolution 881426 granting conditional use approval to allow to install a twocar metal canopy with trench drain and sand oil interceptor to handwash cars behind space 140 for the property located at 140 corners.

Hello again. Um this is this conditional use is for uh Enterprise Rental Car. They are relocating at the Inverous Corner Shopping Center, which in and of itself, relocating the office would not have triggered the conditional use, but they are taking with them and relocating the private car wash component to that. And that does come with some impacts that the conditional use helps us um mitigate or at least plan for, such as, you know, where is their waste going? Are they tying into the sewer system? making sure we have all of our ducks in a row to handle those impacts. The planning commission heard this case um at their meeting um and it comes to you with a positive recommendation from the planning commission with conditions. uh there are some technical aspects of the plan that they need to address and uh some other things that we can get addressed at permitting but otherwise uh the impacts seem like they are taken care of and will have minimal impact on the neighbors.

Comments or questions for Mr. Martin on the side? The car wash going to be in the front or the back or on the side? It's it's going to be behind the building. Okay. Uh so it will be out of sight for the public. Very good. That brings us to the end of the agenda. Before we adjourn, um, Mr. Walder, could you give us an update on the process of updating our employee appeal process? Sir,

I've heard from several council members about the desire to update what we're doing as far as employment and appeals go and also our employee handbook. So what I'd like to do is uh have either an ad hoc uh meeting of those who want to participate or chair can appoint a committee or you can have a committee as a whole however you want to do that to meet with us and sit down and maybe have some timelines about what you're looking for what your ideas are. Um then we go from there. Now, we can do that in executive session because we're going to be talking about legal issues and legal matters with you. That's up to you.

Very good. Uh I believe I intend for that to be a committee of the whole um moving forward. So,

do you want to do that if we're going to do as a committee as a whole? Do you want to do it when you're having a regularly scheduled council meeting or at a work session and we can go and notice the meeting and then like if we had noticed it for today, everybody knows you're going to have a committee as a whole meeting. We're going to adjourn. We go to the council conference room and we could start we could begin the process of what are the things you'd like to see and we can give you some suggestions on what we think. We've already looked at we we think we're going to need local legislation or not local, but because we're in two counties, we can have a statewide bill. We've talked with the city's external affairs person in there, Michael Davis, and we could have him come and be present, talk to us about that. And I think in probably that initial meeting and then come back and discuss it with you and then maybe a third meeting, you'd be ready to go. Very good.

Speaking for speaking for the lawyers, we'd like to do that sooner rather than later. It'll probably follow uh a work session or two. Usually works out for the best. So, yeah. Why don't we do this before we have the meeting? We could go ahead and provide you with some information. We could just mail it to you or email it to you. You could be looking at it and give you something to think about, help move the process along. Would that be helpful to you? That that would be helpful. Give us some

Yeah. some basis. Could we respond to that and to the stuff that you give us? You could respond to us, but if you start responding to each other, then you get into them. But if we respond to you only absolutely yes.

So Mr. President the only two cents I have on that since the you know appeals process is about the end users uh which is employees we you know of course the decision voting wise may occur here. Uh but from an ad hoc standpoint, should it be inclusive of um some form of a staff composition in the initial setup? Just as aformational um you have managers that have been in managerial roles quite some time. Um you have employees that have been here quite some time. They probably can provide some insight on what is uh considered fair. I mean, uh, I'm for, um, creating a process that's longl lasting. Uh, but it's always good to kind of give some, at least ideas from the people are going to impact the most. That's just my two cents. You can

shoot it down, but I just want to kind of put it put it put that out there. Um, Charlie, I guess when you're researching and stuff, can you kind of see how we could work in maybe the EAC as as a component to this as well? Sure. Sure. You want us to give you a first look before we have that meeting so you can be thinking about it? Yes, sir. Okay. Other comments, questions.

I think it'd also be helpful for us to maybe I've I've talked a good bit with Michael Davis about this. Give you some thoughts on what legislation might look like. And you could do this by ordinance. the pro the the so I'm going to I'm going to answer a question that you're going to get why don't you just pass an ordinance you need to have an appeal process and if the appeal process is going to be to circuit court you you you're in two counties but in one county you're in a Birmingham division and in a best division so we really need legislation so that we can say this is where the appeal would go you can't go by you know for the cases we try in municipal court if it happened in Shelby County it goes to Shelby County if it happened in Birmingham division goes to Birmingham division best division you can't take where an employee works and say this is where their appeal would go you're going to have to pick out a a forum for that so we we're just going to have to have local I not local we're going to have to have legislation to

to do what I think you're going to want to do and and Charlie typical practice typical pract practice is also be where the uh main headquarters of the city is located out of can be the determining factor of what that court is will be. I mean do how you want to do it but that's strictly up to the seven members on the council. Y'all pick and choose where you want it to go

before we adjourn celebrate Hoover Day Saturday at Veterans Park. Uh, I believe a determination on weather will be made sometime tomorrow. Still going with it. Very good. Hopefully the rain holds out. See everyone there. We'rejourned.