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Chair Okimoto: ALOHA GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. TUESDAY, APRIL 28, 2026, TIME IS 9:04 A.M. WILL THE COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON PLEASE COME TO ORDER. WELCOME TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT IN THE CHAMBER TODAY. COMMITTEE VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO, COUNCILMEMBERS CORDERO, KIA'AINA, TULBA AND CHAIR WATERS. ALTHOUGH REMOTE ORAL TESTIMONY SUPREME COURT PERMITTED, THERE IS A REGULAR IN-PERSON MEETING AND NOT A REMOTE MEETING BY INTERACTIVE CONFERENCE TECHNOLOGY UNDER HAWAII REVISED STATUTES SECTION 92-3.7. THEREFORE, MEETING WILL CONTINUE NOTWITHSTANDING LOSS OF AUDIO-VIDEO COMMUNICATION WITH REMOTE TESTIFIERS OR LOSS OF PUBLIC BROADCAST OF THE MEETING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALLOWED PROVIDE ORAL TESTIMONY ON ALL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IN TWO WAYS. IN PERSON AND COUNCIL CHAMBER AND REMOTELY VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE OR PHONE. REMOTE AND IN PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY ALLOWED WHEN EACH AGENDA ITEM IS TAKEN UP. BEFORE TESTIFYING, EACH PERSON SHALL STATE THEIR NAME. EACH SPEAKER MAY NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE READ THEIR STATEMENT. AND LIMITED TO A ONE-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON EACH ITEM. BOTH ENGLISH AND HAWAIIAN ARE OFFICIAL LANGUAGES OF THE STATE OF HAWAII A, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 15, SECTION 4, OF THE HAWAII STATE CONSTITUTION, AND SECTION 1-3 OF THE HAWAII REVISED STATUTES, MOMENTS OF THE PUBLIC MAY TESTIFY IN EITHER LANGUAGE. FOR ORAL TESTIMONIES OFFERED IN OLELO HAWAII, ADDITIONAL TIME AS MAY BE NECESSARY WILL BE ALLOWED FOR THE TESTIFIER TO PROVIDE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THEIR TESTIMONY. ALL PERSONS REGISTERED TO TESTIFY IN PERSON WILL BE CALLED UPON FIRST. WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED PLEASE COME UP WITH TESTIFIER PODIUM. PERSON IS NOT REGISTERED GIVEN UNIT TO TESTIFY FOLLOWING REGISTERED TESTIFIERS. GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY. AFTER IN-PERSON TESTIMONY HAS

CONCLUDELY PROCEED TO REMOTE TESTIMONY VIDEO CONFERENCE OR PHONE. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE MONITOR YOUR SCREEN AND FOLLOW THE PROMPTS TOWN MUTE. FOR THOSE JOINING US BY TELEPHONE ONLY, PLEASE PRESS STAR 9 IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFYEL AND I WILL IDENTIFY YOU BY THE LAST THREE DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER. WHEN YOUR NUMBER IS CALLED PLEASE LISTEN FOR FOR THE PROMPT TO UNIMMUNITY PRESS STAR 6. FRIENDLY REMINDERS AND TIPS. VIDEO CONFERENCE FROM A QUIET LOCATION IF POSSIBLE. IF YOU'RE ALSO WATCHING PROCEEDINGS ON OLELO, PLEASE MUTED YOUR TELEVISION AT THE TIME YOU ARE CALLED TO TESTIFY. TIMER ON SCREEN REACHES ZERO PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR REMARKS PROMPTLY. WRITTEN TESTIMONIES INCLUDING TESTIFIER'S ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, MAY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS DESCRIBED ON THE POSTED AGENDA. AS CAN RTDCY, PLEASE TURN OFF OUR SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES FOR THE DURATION OF THIS MEETING. AS A COURTESY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, RESOLUTION 26-87. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES TRANSFER OF FUND IS NOT TO EXCEED 22 -- 22,000 GENERAL FUND MAINLAND R MONEYS FROM THE PROVISION FOR ENERGY COSTS ACTIVITY CURRENT EXPENSES CHARACTER OF EXPENSE TOUR TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ERNTD PRICE SERVICES, AUDITORIUMS AND GOLF COURSE ACTIVITIES CURRENT EXPENSE CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, REQUIRED TO COVER THE DEPARTMENT'S FUEL AND ELECTRICITY SHORTAGES. WE HAVE DISTRIBUTE THE HANDCARRIED PROPOSED CD1. OC. IS 2026-0237/4/24/2026. 3:02 P.M. SUBMITTED BY MY S MYSELF. FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. A, AMENDS THIRD WHEREAS CLAUSE TO SPECIFY RECEIVING ACTIVITIES CHARACTERS OF EDGES PENNED TOUR. EXPENDITURE. BE IT REEVERYBODY SROED CLAUSE, AM AMENDS TABLE TO CORRECT THE NAME OF

ORIGINATING A ACTIVITY PROVISION FOR ENERGY COSTS. C, BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED CLAUSE AS DIRECTOR OF ENTERPRISE SERVICES RECIPIENT OF COPY OF THE RESOLUTION, AND D, MAKES MISCELLANEOUS TECHNICAL AND NONSUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENTS. BEFORE WE BRING UP ADMINISTRATION, WE'LL PROCEED FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING NOW WITH PROMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? REMOTE TESTIMONY. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. LIKE TO NOW KELLY WELCOME DEPARTMENT OF ENTERPRISE SERVICE DIRECTOR DITA HOL FIELD.

Testifier: ALOHA GOOD MORNING. DIRECTOR OFTEN PRICE SERVICE. AND RIR JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CONSIDERED TO ACCESS $220,000 OFFICIAL FROM THE PROVISIONAL ACCOUNT FOR THE ENERGY COSTS TO PCR OUR ENERGY NEEDS AT THE PLACE BLAISDELL AND GOLF COURSES. WITH REGARDS TO THE BLAISDELL, WE HAVE CURRENT ELECTRICITY BUDGET OF 1.2 MILLION IN WHICH THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE WERE HE GOING TO ACTUALLY REACH 1.5 MILLION. AND SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BASELINE SO EVERYONE IS CLEARY THINK WE ARE HERE. FIRST OF ALL, SINCE 2019 AND COVID, THERE WERE MOST OF THE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL. SO SOME OF THE BLAISDELL BEEN CLOSED, CONCERT HALL WAS CLOSED, HALL WAS CLOSED. DIFFICULT OVER TAMPOS YEARS TO REALLY SEE HOW MUCH OVER THESE YEARS. YOU EVERY SINGLE YEAR NEED TO TERM OF ELECTRICITY ALSO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN LARGE INCREASES IN ELECTRICITY COSTS SINCE 2019. SO CONCERT HALL, SHUT FOR 20 MONTHS. AND BLAISDELL ARENA WAS 7 MONTHS. SO FY '24 AND '25, STARTED, I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY START TO OPEN SOME OF THOSE VENUES. THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY BE THE VERY FIRST YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE FULL OPENINGS ON ALL OF OUR VENUES AND I DO THINK AT THIS POINT GET A BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT THE BASELINE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. NOW, EXCITING NEWS FOR EVERYBODY IN THAT IS THAT WE DO PULL TOGETHER FULL MARKETING TEAM PANNED WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL X HALL BY TAKING SOME OF THE BUSINESS FROM THE CLOSURES CONVENTION AND NOW WE KNOW ABOUT THIS

STADIUM. SO THE X HALL IS VERY EXPENSIVE VENUE TO RUN. IT'S A LARGE OPEN SPACE. AND SOMETIMES OPEN NEARLY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO THOSE ARE MANY OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME OVERAGES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR, THANKS TO DDC AND PROJECT, WERE ADDING SOLAR MANY PA PACKAGES TO THE ROOFS -- PANELS TO THE ROOF TO CREATE ENERGY SAVINGS WITH THAT AND WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT THE ELECTRICITY CREDITS BUT I KNOW THAT TO NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO O REALLY GET HANDLE ON ALL OF THAT. SO IN SUMMARY, WE ARE REQUESTING 220,000, 160,000, WILL BE FROM THE ENERGY PROVISION ACCOUNT. AND WE'RE GOING TO USE SAVINGS ON OUR SIDE FOR THE $167,000 REMAINING. WARRIOWE'RE ASKING FORSUPPORT O. IN REGARD REGARD TO THE GOLFER, SEEKING $62,000 TO ASSIST THE GOLF DIVISION. IF WE HAD INTERESTING ISSUE THIS LAST YEAR, THAT WAS REGARDING TO THE DROUGHT. THAT WERE ALL EXPERIENCING. IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT THE FORWARD FACING GROUNDS AND HOW IT LOOKED. REALLY WAS REALLY IMPEDING PLAY AND SO WE FIRST AND SECOND QUARTERS, WE LOOKED AT WATERING JOSH GR GREENS TRY TO R TEE'S. SPOT WATER SOME OF THE LARGE ACREAGE AREAS ON THE GOING TO STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER. HERE WE ARRIVED KEPT SOME SAVINGS ASIDE. I FELT LIKE WE REALLY HAD A HANDLE ON THIS. REALLY DO ALSO APPRECIATE DEPUTY DON'T AND WHAT SHE DID ROA REALLY KIND LOOK THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SNARES THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING

FORTH. PRIOR TO THE KANELOA, WHERE WE WERE. IN A GOOD PLACE. NOW COMES KONA JORDAN LOW. s FOUR OF SIXMUNICIPAL GOLF COUS COMPLETELY UNDER WATER. FROM TED MAKALENA TREES BEING DOWN TO THE STREAMS THAT WE HAD OUR FLOWING, THERE WERE DAMAGE, THERE WAS MUDSLIDES. THERE WAS DEBRIS EVERYWHERE. AND SO ALL OF THAT COST SAVINGS WE HAD KIND OF SAVED UP AND READY TO GO, FOR THE END OF YEAR, NOW WE'RE DEPLOYED AS EMERGENCY FUNDING TO TRY TO GET OUR GOLF COURSES UP AN RUNEDDING AS FAST AND RUNNING FAST AND EFFECTUALLY WAS WE COULD. WEST LOCH UNDER FOR PRETTY OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE, KONA LVES, ALL THE DIFFERENT LVES, DIFFERENT SEASONS THAT WE HAD. SOME REASONS WE ARE HERE. BUDGET FOR P GOLF $665,000.228. I LOOK FORWARD THIS YEAR CREATING OR BASELINE. LOOKING FORWARD TO REALLY BEING ABLE TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN WALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS. LASTLY, FOR THE AUDITORIUMS AND GOLF, VERY SEASONAL. S A MOVING TARGET. WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A FILIPINO K-POP GROUP PERFORM ON THE ISLANDS. OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EARTH WIND AND FIRE OR HAVE THREE BROADWAY SESSIONS SEASONS AND U INSTEAD OF TWOVMENT LIKE WE HAVE 234EBGS YEAR. NEXT YEAR. ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ASSISTANCE. INTO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU CHAIR. ROLE CALL WILL QUICKLY WANT TO KNOW HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH FUNDING YOU WOULD NEED FROM THE PROVISION FOR ENERGY COSTS FOR THE BLAISDELL? YOU SAID YOU WERE STILL LEARNING ABOUT HOW MUCH ELECTRICAL CREDITS YOU WOULD GET FROM HECO WITH THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF THERE. BUTEL I WAS WONDERING HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF 1 IS $60,000?

Testifier: THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FORQUT QUESTION I ONEE THINGS JUST CREATING LIKE WE SAID, BASELINE, ALSO LOOKING AT COMPS FROM THE DIFFERENT YEARS ON HOW SOME YEARS BEEN REALLY, REALLY BUSY. SOME YEARS WE HAVEN'T. NOW WE HAVE EVERYTHING OPEN LAST YEAR. DESPITE DISASTER OF THE KONA COONEYALOHAs WE CAN GET A HANDLE ON THOSE QUESTIONS. KONA LOSE. WORKING WITH. D DDC CIVIL COMPANY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN CYST US AS ASSIST US. Testifier: THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO KEEP THE BLAISDELL BLOCKED ADD BUSY. THANK YOU. BLBOOKED AND BUSY.

Chair Okimoto: FURTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH DIRECTOR HOLLIFIELD. Testifier: MAHALO.

Chair Cordero: FORD. RESOLUTION 26-87 AMENDED TO A HANDCARRIED C1 IDENTIFIED, AS ORS2026-0537/4, I'M SORRY. OCS 2026-0237,/4/424/2024. 3 O 02:00 P.M. DISCUSSION, OBJECTIONS RESERVATIONS? ITEL HD 1. RESOLUTION 26-87 CD BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? IMPEACHMENT HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. THANK YOU DIRECTOR HOLLIFIELD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. RESOLUTION 26-84. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES TRANSFER NOT TO EXCEED $35,000 IN HIGHWAY FUND MONIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. PROJECT AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ACTIVITY. FROM THE SALARIES CHARACTER EXPENDITURE TO THE EQUIPMENT CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR '2026 MEET BUDGET SHORTFALL FOR TWO WEEK ACT WHICH DARIEN SIGUENZA IN THE CIVIL -- ACQUISITION CIVIL DIVISION. PROCEED FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM.

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE THE. Chair Okimoto: IT REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: WELCOME TO THE PODIUM JOIN US P DEAN D DEDESIGN ANDEN CONSTRUCTION. MAKAPUU MILL IS.

Testifier: THANK YOU. FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. HAKU MILLES DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DESIGN ANDEN CONSTRUCTION. KEEP IT SHORT. MONEY THAT WE WILL BUDGETED ATOLL PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES WASN'T ENOUGH WHEN THE BIDS CAME IN. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE ABE TRANSFER $35,000 TO GET BOTH VEHICLES THAT EGGS TWO VEHICLES REPLACING I THINK TWO THAT ARE OVER 20 YEARS. 20 YEARS OLD AND I THINK 13 YEARS OLD. THESE VEHICLES SERVE INSPERKTS GO TO SITEndS AND ALL OF OUR CIVIL PRO PROJECTS IFN EXPECT BRIDGES INSPECT BRIDGES DURING DISASTER SUCH AS KONA LOWS.

Chair Okimoto: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? SEEING NONE THANK YOU SO MUCH. Testifier: THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto:EL WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-84 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. IT JND ITEM 9113. BILL 82026, BILL RELATES TO FUNDS. MEMBERS WE HAVE A PROPOSED CD1 OC. IS 2026-0215,/4/15/2026. 1:40 P.M. SUBMITTED BY MYSELF FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AMENDMENT ARE LISTED ON THE AGENDA. BEFORE WE BRING UP ADMINISTRATION, WE WILL PROCEED FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING NOW WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. WELCOME WITH US JOINING US FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES, DIRECTOREL ANDREW KAWANO AS WELL AS HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT, BATTALION CHIEF WAN.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING CHINATOWN CHAIR WATERS. HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBER. ANDY KAWANO DIRECTOR BFS. POULTRY OF POT R APOLOGIZE. WE RECENTLY DETERMINED THAT I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. CERTAIN, TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE BUT THE BILL HAD A SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. WE'RE NOT SURE AS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OLD FUND WHEN YOU NEW FUND GOES INTO PLACE. THAT'S ONE ISSUE. OLD FUND IS CALLED FIRE PLAN REVIEW RESOLVING FUND. WE RECOMMEND THAT'S NEW FUND, DIFFERENCE FIRE PLANS REVIEW FUND. GENERALLY SPEAKING, MOST OF THE SPECIAL FUNDS ARE REVOLVING ANY WAY. SHOULD THEY HAVE CASH LEFT OVER. WE RECOMMEND THAT AND WE ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE NEW FUND BE EFFECTIVE AT THE START OF FY '28. SO THAT THE HFD FINANCE TEAM HAS TIME TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET THAT THEY CAN WORK ON THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND ACCORDINGLY, PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THAT YEAR. ZOO WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? IS THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE BATTALION CHIEF WONG.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE CHAIR OKIMOTO. VICE CHAIR FLISH. AND COMMITTEE MEMBER. NISHIMOTO. I AM BATTALION CHIEF WITH THE HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE DO SUPPORT BILL 8 WE AGREE WITH THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSPARENCY. WE CONCUR WITH DIRECTOR KAWANO, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME DETAILS WE ARE UNAWARE OF AND WOULD ASK RESPECTFULLY TO, WE AGREE WITH ANDREW KAWANO TO WAREHOUSE SOME OF THE DETAILS.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU BATTALION CHIEF. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS? FOR BATTALION CHIEF WANG? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU A AND ADMINISTRATION FOR WORKING WITH JAMIE AND MY TEAM ON MAKING SURE WE GET THIS BILLEL CORRECT. WITH FEEDBACK THAT WAS GIVEN MEMBERS DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. CHAIR OBSERVATION. DIRECTOR KAWANO, OMIDYAR SECOND READING NOW FOR THIS BILL. I WAS WONDERING HOW THIS WAS NOT CAUGHT WHEN REVIEWING THE DIFFERENT USES FOR EACH OF THE REINVOLVING FUNDS REVOLVING FUND WHEN THIS BILL CAME UP?

Testifier: JUST I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. FOR NOT FIGURING IT OUT RIGHT AWAY. STILL LEARNING REALIZED THAT WE'RE CREATING NEW FUND BUT WE HAVE THE OLD FUND WHEN WE TRANSFER THE FUND BALANCE TO THE NEW FUND, WE SHOULD ALSO REPEAL THAT OLD FUND AS WELL. AND THAT'S WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. AND I WANT TO ENSURE THAT EACH OF THE IS ABLE TO USE THE FUNDING HFD IS ABLE TO USE THE FUNDING THIS THEY GET FROM THE PROGRAM BECAUSE BUDGET IS TIGHT. AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT VERY CONSTRAINED FOR FY '27. Chair Okimoto:

Councilmember Cordero:. NOT NEONING MY OLD UP ANY-NOT MEANING TO HOLD UP IF I IN FUNDS. CAN IT BE D D DONE R CON-CON SECOND TOUGHLY, BILL PASSES, CONSECUTIVELY. REPEALING OTHER FUND WONDERING, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. Testifier: IT IS POSSIBLE BUT THERE'S NO BUDGET. FOR HFD TO SPEND DOWN THE MONEYS IN THE FUND. AS A PART OF THEIR FIRE EDUCATION PROGRAM. FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM. FOR FY '27. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING RESPECTFULLY THAT WE POSTPONE THE EFFECTIVE DATE UNTIL JULY 1, 2027.

Councilmember Cordero: OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BOTH CAN EXIST CON SUPR CONSECUTIVELY. Testifier: BOTH WITH EXIST BUT RECOMMEND CHANGE THE NAME OF THE NEW B ONE SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? CHAIR WATERS. Councilmember Waters: THANK YOU. YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DEFER THE MEASURE TODAY FOR DECISION-MAKING? SO WE CAN.

Testifier: YES. I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH BUDGET CHAIR AND HER TEAM JAMIE AND THE TEAM TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE TIMING, AND NAME OF THE FUND, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUDGET THE USE BECAUSE CURRENTLY, UNDER CURRENT LAW, THE MONEYS THAT COME THROUGH THE PLANS REVIEW, FIRE PLANS REVIEW, FIRE PLAN REVIEW FEE FUND, THEN GOES THROUGH THAT AUTOMATICALLY APPROPRIATES. SO IF WE CHANGE THAT, IT MAY CAUSE A PROBLEM. SO WE'RE THINKING THAT WE WANT TO TIME EVERYTHING FG SO EVERYTHING ISEL EFFECTIVE ON JULY 1, 027.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR. I HAD FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. I OWEEN THANK COUNCILMEMBERS CORDERO AND ASKING THEIR QUESTIONS. FUND CREATED WE DON'T, ASKING FOR TAKE A EFFECT IN 2028. IF BOTH FUNDS EXISTED, COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO ASKED THAT QUESTION, AND ARE ABLE TO EXIST, WHAT HAPPENED WE DON'T HAVE IT EFFECTIVE 2028 BUT WE HAVE ITEL UPON APPROVAL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE TWO FUNDS THEN? WE CREATED FUND WHILE THE OLD ONE IS STILL U I THINK WE'RE GOING FOLLOW BIFURCATE THE FUNDING BECAUSE NEW FUND IS CREATED, ALL OF THE PLAN REVIEW FEES IN '27 GO INTO THAT FUND. I THINK FIRE, ANTICIPATES HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE MONIES AS WELL TO RUN THEIR PROGRAM. WE CONSTRAIN WHAT WE CAN DO. SO THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FUNDS IN THE OLD FUND AND HAVE 27 FEES GOING TO THE NEW FUND. IT MAY CREATE SITUATION THAT DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH FROM A BUDGETING AND FUNDING STANDPOINT. SO WE RECOMMEND CLEANING EVERYTHING UP. A LITTLE MEIER. BEFORE WE LITTLE MORE BEFORE WE GO.

Chair Okimoto: I APPRECIATE INPUT. I'M HOPING THIS BILL IS BILL 8 FROM 2026 HOPING THAT WE CAN GET IT TO THE FINISH LINE SO THAT FUND IS CREATED PROPERLY AND IT'S ABLE TO BE UTILIZED PROPERLY. LOOKING AT NOT BEING TAKEN INTO EFFECT TILL 2028. HOPEFULLY IN OUR DISCUSSION, FINALIZE ALL OF THE KINKS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS BILL. GO THROUGH. Testifier: YEAH. BECAUSE HFD SUPPORTS THE BILL. I'M CONFIDENT THAT IN THE NEXT CROWNED U ROUND, COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON, AND FULL COUNCIL MEETING THAT FOLLOWS IT, WE CAN GET THE BILL PASSED WITH THE RIGHT EFFECTIVE DATES. AND HAVE IN PLACE WELL AHEAD OF THE START OF FY '28.

Chair Okimoto: OKAY. THANK YOU DIRECTOR. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. Councilmember Cordero:EL QUICK. DIRECTOR KAWANO. BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE TWO FUNDS AND YES REVOLVING FUNDS IN THE OLDER FUND BEFORE IT WOULD BE REPEALED, WOULD FUNDS BE ABLE TO BE TAKEN FROM BOTH EXISTING FUNDS BY HFD? Testifier: I WOULD THINK THAT IF SUBJECT TO CORE'S REVIEW, WE HAVE TWO FUNDS, ONE WITH AUTOMATIC APPROPRIATION AND OTHER ONE THAT HAS TO BE BUDGETED, I WOULD THINK THAT WE ONLY CAN SPEND MONEY IN THE OLD FUND. AND IT COULD SHORT CHANGE WHAT FIRE PLANS TO DO. IN '27.

C Councilmember Cordero: WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES OR SINGULAR ACTIVITY FOR CERTAIN DEPARTMENT AND PULLING FROM DIFFERENT FUNDS. EL REVOLVING FUND. YEAH, THE CONCERN WE HAVE AGAIN IS THAT IN THE NOWER FUND MONIES GO INTO THAT FUND, IT WILL SIT THERE UNTIL THERE IS AN APPROVED BUDGET THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT AGAIN. APPROPRIATION. SO OUR CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING TIMED RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRAIN FIRES OPERATION. DON'T WANT TO DO THAT? Councilmember Cordero: I UNDERSTAND THAT THANK YOU CHAIR.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS? FOR THE DIRECTOR OR THE DEPARTMENT? THANK YOU I DO APPRECIATE DEPARTMENT'S WORKING WITH MY OFFICE AND I AND THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE TRYING TOPIC INPUT FROM THE AUDIT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING REALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH TAXPAYOR DOLLARS. MANAGING DEPARTMENT'S FINANCES AS WELL. BUT YOU'RE INPUT IS REALLY ESSENTIAL AND IMPORTANT. SO BASED ONEN WHAT YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US TODAY, CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS ACTION ON BILL 8, 2026, BE POSTPONED TO DATE AND TIME TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CHAIR. TO WORK ON TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF BFS BFS. AS WELL AS OUR DEPARTMENT. BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. THANK YOU DIRECTOR. THANK YOU BATTALION CHIEF WANG. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. RESOLUTION 26-83. THIS RESOLUTION APPROVES COLLECTIVE BARGAINING COST ITEMS FOR THE HAWAII FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION BARGAIN I DON'T KNOW 11. INCLUDED AND EXCLUDED MANAGERIAL EMPLOYEES OF CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. MEMBERS WE HAVE DISABILITY TRITD THE THAN CARRIED DISTRIBUTED HANDCARRIED PROPOSED CD1 OCS2026 OCS2026-0236/4/24/2026. AT 3:52 P.M. SUBMITTED HAWAII SELF. P CD1 MAKES FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. A, AMENDS BE IT RESOLVED CLAUSE TO STATE COUNCIL APPROVES COLLECTIVE BARGAINING COSTS ITEMS. FOR THE HAWAII FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION BARGAINING UNAIT 11 AND TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE WORDING OF THE TITLE OF THE RESOLUTION. AND B, MAKES MISCELLANEOUS TECHNICAL AND NONSUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENTS. BEFORE WE BRING UP THE ADMINISTRATION, WE WILL PROCEED FIRST ABOUT IN PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE CHINATOWCOUNCILCHAMBER. IIN IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM.

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. LIKE TO NOW KELLY WELCOME DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES ONCE AGAIN, ANDREW KAWANO AND FOR DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR NOELANI A SAKE. DIRECTOR MIYASAKI OR DIRECTOR KAWANO. ALOHA DIRECTOR MIYASAKI.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING. CHAIR, BUDGET CHAIR OKIMOTO CHAIR WATERS. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. NOLAND MIYASAKI DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCE. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOUR YEARS SALARY COST FOR HAWAII FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. BEGINNING JULY 1, 2025. THROUGH JUNE 30, 2029. FOR THE FOR YOU ARE YEAR PERIOD. $53,219,672,000. EL PLUS EMPLOYER UNION HEALTH CARE BENEFITS AMOUNT OF $3,231,182.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MIYASAKI? , OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Testifier: THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: DIRECTOR KAWANO ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY. Testifier: BUDGET CHAIR NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT? SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OR DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-83 BE AMENDED TO HANDCARRIED CD1 IDENTIFIED AS OCS2026-023 *6/4/24/2026 AT 3:52 P.M. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? , HEARING NONE. ASSESS REST RESOLUTION AMENDED TO A CD1. CHAIR THEN RECOMMENDS THAT RESOLUTION 26-83 CD1 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. THANK YOU DIRECTOR MIYASAKI AND DIRECTOR KAWANO. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. 26-85, RESOLUTIONER AUTHORIZES TRANSFER OF FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED TOTAL OF $3,419,093 GENERAL FUND MONIES FROM THE PROVISION OF SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCRUED VACATION PAY ACTIVITY CURRENT EXPENSES CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, TO THE VARIOUS EXECUTIVE AGENCIES ACTIVITIES SALARY CORK TESTIFIER EXPENDITURE, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026 TO FUND HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BARGAINING UNIT 11 ARBITRATION AWARD INCREASES. BEFORE WE BRING UP ADMINISTRATION, WE'LL FIRST PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING NOW WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, CHAIR THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. WELCOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF, HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT, BATTALION CHIEF RE JASON TORES. WELCOME.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING. BUDGET CHAIR OKIMOTO. VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO. AND COUNCILMEMBERS. BATTALION CHIEF JASON TOR SETTLEMENT. HONOLULU FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS REQUEST IS TO COVER, REGULAR PAY AND NONHOLIDAY OVER TIME PAY WR RETRO PAY FOR UNIFORMED PERSONNEL FROM JULY 1, , O 25 TO JUNE 30, 2026.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR BATTALION CHIEF TORES? THANK YOU. SEEING NO QUESTIONS. MEMBERS WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-85 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OPTION OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. THANK YOU BATTALION CHIEF TORRES. Testifier: THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. BILL 2026, THIS BILL RELATES TO ROUNDING OF CASH PAYMENTS. BEFORE I BRING UP ADMINISTRATION, FIRST PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK IN IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: PROCEEDING NOW WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. WELCOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES, ONCE AGAIN, DIRECTOR ANDREW KAWANO.

Testifier: BUDGET CHAIR ANDREW KAWANO DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. CITY COUNCIL CHAIR, AND HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THIS BILL REQUEST FOR THIS BILL'S APPROVAL. WE HAVE OPERATIONS THAT COLLECT CASH IN PAYMENT FOR CITY SERVICES. AND WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTIES GETTING PENNIES FOR CHANGE FROM BANKS. AND WE BLEB THAT THE ROUNDING TO THE NEA NEAREST NICKEL MAKESA LOT OF SENSE FOR OPERATIONS WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PROPER SERVICES TO PUBLIC. SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS BILL.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DR. KAWANO. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. Councilmember Kia'aina: THANK YOU DIRECTOR. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT IT DOES, LOOKED LITTLE COMPLICATED. AND SO THE PEOPLE RECEIVING CASH SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT P NUMBER IT IS. THAT IT TEND ENDS ON. WONDERING WHY IT CAN'T BE LESS COMPLICATED. WHY CAN'T YOU DO WHATEVER WANT TO BETWEEN 1 TO 5, ROUND 1 TO 4, ROUND IT DOWN. AND THEN 5 TO 9, ROUND IT UP. THAT SEEMS MORE SIMPLE TO ME. BUT AM I MISSING SOMETHING? TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY DOES IT SEEM SO COMPLICATED?

Testifier: YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT. WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING ACTUALLY DOES THE ROUNDING WITHIN THE FIVE CENT RANGE UP OR DOWN. I THINK THAT IS WHY IT'S LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. BECAUSE IT'S TWO PART. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT RANGES. FOR EACH GROUP UP OR DOWN. Councilmember Kia'aina: I'M WORRYING ABOUTER COMPLICATION AND SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE BURDEN PERSON RECEIVE TO GO FIGURE OUT WHAT NUMBER THEY GOT?

Testifier: WHAT WE COULD DO IS INITIATE, UNTIL THE PUBLIC GETS USED TO IT,ER POST A FLIER AT EACH CHECKOUT AREA, WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND DO OUTREACH THROUGH THE CO CAWLINGS TEAM. YOU ARE KELLY TELLING ME TO TRUST THE PERSON WHO RECEIVES IT AND DEPENDING WHETHER IT'S NUMBER 1 TO 9, KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT CLEAR-CUT. IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT I SAID. ONE THROUGH FOUR. ROUND IT DOWN. FIVE TO NINE, ROUND IT UP. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS IT PROPOSING. THE COMES TEAM. COMPLICATE THING. YOU ARE TELLS US TO TRUST THE PERSON RECEIVING IT LOOK AFTER OUR INTEREST. HOW I KNOW THEY GOING TO GET THEM RIGHT?

Testifier: I THINK WHEN, NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING TO ROUND IT. IT'S SIMPLIFIED. BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE I GUARANTEE YOU, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY, WHY AM I TAKING FIVE CENTS MORE SURF. Councilmember Kia'aina: YOU'RE RIGHT. PAYING FIVE CENTS MORE. Testifier: FROM A PERCEPTION STANDPOINT. THTHEY'RE GOING TO THINK THAT WE'RE CHEATING THEM. FIVE SENT A NICKEL. ER KIA'AINA THIS IS BASED ON SCIENCE YOU FIGURED THIS OUT?

Testifier: BASE ODD AND WHAT YOU LEARNED BASED ON WHAT I LEARNED IN SCHOOL. IT'S I THINK IT'S COMMON MATH. I DO BELIEVE WE DID A RECALL IA CHECK. FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH MY STAFF. HOW DIFFERENT COMPANIES DO ROUNDING. AND I BELIEVE IT'S COMMON. Councilmember Kia'aina: EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS DOES.

Testifier: SO WHAT IT DOES THEN SO YOU HAVE -- YOU HAVE AMOUNT THAT IS WITHIN FIVE CENTS WITH REGARD TO THE FIVE CENT RANGE. EITHER GOING TO ZERO, AT ZERO OR UP A NICKEL. IF YOU'RE AT 3 OR FOUR CENTS WITH REGARD TO AMOUNT THAT HAS TO BE PAID, YOU ROUND UP TO FIVE CENTS. IF YOU'RE AT 1 OR 2, ROUND DOWN TO 0. YOU DON'T ADD THAT NICKEL. EL. Councilmember Kia'aina: EXPLAIN THE 6 TO 9 OR 5 TO 9.

Testifier: SAME THING. SO 6 TO 7, IF YOU HAVE CENTS THAT END, SECOND DIGIT ENDS WITH A 6 OR 7 ROUND DOWN TO FIVE. AND THEN IF IT'S 8 OR 9, ROUND UP. Councilmember Kia'aina: I KNOW JUST SAYING THAT DEPENDS WHAT THE NUMBER IS. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING TO ME. I WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PAPER, GOING HUD? Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. GOING HUH? EL TRICKY. KIA'AINA THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: DIRECTOR, SINCE WE'RE ON THE SAME SUBJECT, COULD YOU, SECTION C HERE, WITH WHEN WE HAVE I THINK IT'S ON PAGE 2 OF BILL. UNDER PAYMENT CASH CASH TRANSACN ROUNDING UNDER SECTION C, SUBHEADING 1 AND C UNDERNEATH THAT. HAVE YOUR A AND B. EXAMPLES. THEN IT SAYS C. I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GETS CONFUSION. BUT NOTWITHSTANDING PARAGRAPH A TO THE CONTRARY. ANY CASE TOTAL TRANSACTION AMOUNT INCLUDING ANY TAXES TOTALS 1 SEPTEMBE SEPTE ONE CENN ROUND UP TO FIVE CENTS. ONE OR TWO PENNEY'S GOES R GDOWN TO ONE. EXPLAIN AGAIN LAST PART CERTAIN CASES IT WILL BE ROUNDING UP TO 5 IF IT'S ONE OR TWO PENNIES.

Vice Chair Nishimura: I BELIEVE TESTIFIER RAISED AN ISSUE LAST TIME, AND I THINK WHEN WE DID THE FIRST READING THE BILL, FULL COUNCIL, I DID MY OWN RESEARCH. AND MY CONCLUSION IS THAT BECAUSE C IS FOR THE SITUATION WHERE TAXES ARE INCLUDE, IF IT EVER IS INCLUDED, THE ROUND UP RESULTS NOT CITY NOT HAVING TO FOOT BILL FOR. T ASKS. BECAUSE WE ROUND DOWN, WE'LL BE COVERING TAXES FOR CUSTOMER OR PUBLIC. RECEIVING SERVICES. WE HAVE THEN USED THAT DON'T COLLECT G.E.T., SO WON'T BE A PROBLEM. THEY'LL JUST FOLLOW A OR B IN THAT CASE.

Chair Okimoto: JUST REPEAT. C WOULD BE TOTAL INCLUDED TAXES WHEREAS A AND B, WOULD BE. Testifier: NO TAX. YES. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. MEMBERS IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, CHAIR WATERS. Councilmember Waters: FOLLOW UP. WHY CAN'T WE ROUND DOWN? Testifier: IF YOU INCLUDE, ANY KIND OF TAX OR FEE, IN THE AMOUNT THAT THE CUSTOMER PAYS, IF WE ROUND DOWN, SECOND DIGIT IN THE SENSE COLUMN IS ONE OR TWO, WE ROUND CITY'S IN EFFECT COVERING FEE OR TAX. Councilmember Waters: WHY IS THAT A BAD THING? TALKING PENNIES LITERALLY. PENNIES.

Testifier: IT'S JUST THE WAY WE OPERATE. WE TYPICALLY DON'T COVER TAXES FOR ANY CUSTOMER. AND IT'S JUST HOW WE OPERATE. IN TERMS OF OUR HOUSING HOW WE TRANSACT CASH. Councilmember Waters: IT'S BEEN CUSTOMARY BUT BAY TO SAY WE CAN'T JUST ROUND DOWN? IN ORDINANCE?

Testifier: SUBJECT TO CORE'S REVIEW, I CAN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN'T ROUND DOWN. BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW OUR APPROACH IS WE NEVER COVER TAXES OR FEES FOR CUSTOMERS. Councilmember Waters: I MEAN, BECAUSE PERSONALLY, I THINK WE SHOULD ROUND DOWN BY THE DOLLAR. NEVERMIND THE PENNY. ROUND DOWN BY THE DOLLAR. I MEAN, WE NOT TALKING BIG BUCKS HERE. Vice Chair Nishimura: ARE YOU GOING TO ROUND UP BY THE DOLLAR TOO?

Councilmember Waters: ROUND DOWN EVERY TIME. SO IF IT'S $1,055.55, 1,055. Testifer: WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT. I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH OF A ROUND DOWN. TO BE HONEST. BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. Councilmember Weyer: OKAY. SO THIS IS RESULT OF US INTO THE HAVING PENNIES.

Testifier: YES. THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF PENNY ROLLS AT BANKS. AND IT'S DIFFICULT. AND MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO TO SOMETIMES MORE THAN ONE BANK TO GET CHANGE. SO THEY CAN MAKE CHANGE. FOR CUSTOMERS. NOT EFFICIENT. Councilmember Waters: I WAS GOING TO ASK MAY IS BFS BFS DOING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PENNIES?

Testifier: O FORTUNATELY W WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE THIS ORDINANCE AND CHANGE WOULD ONLY AFFECT WHEN WE RECEIVE CASH, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE PAYING BY CAR CARD OR LOOK AT ACH PAYMENTS. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HOPEFULLY, AT SOME POINT, WE'RE NEARLY CASHLESS. OR BECOME CASHLESS. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. Councilmember Weyer: THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. DIRECTOR, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TRANSACTIONS ARE CURRENTLY CASH TRANSACTIONS? Testifier: I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU LATER I DON'T KNOW. Chair Okimoto: MAY RT. Council Clerk: IS GOING TO BE -- MAJORITY ELECTRONIC.

Testifier: PROPERTY TAXES CASH TRANSACTION AMOUNT RELATIVELY SMALL. PEOPLE STILL DO AND FROM TIME TO TIME, SAFETY CONCERNS BECAUSE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE STAFF CAN RECEIVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN CASH TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES. ON ANY GIVEN DAY. NO AUGUST AND FEBRUARY. AND THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE FROM TIME TO TIME. AND HOPEFULLY, WE GET TO CASHLESS ECONOMY AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

Chair Okimoto: SAT SOME POINT SHOULD IT CONTINUE AND PASS, WE WOULD HAVE A NUMBER TO SEE, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT WE ACTUALLY WOULD GENERATE OR LOSE BASED ON US PASSING THIS BILL. IF WE'RE ROUNDIROUND UP OR DOWN. Testifier: YOU WANT TO KNOW THE PROPORTION OF CASH TRANSACTION WE HAVE.

Chair Okimoto: SEPARATE ASK. SHOULD THIS PASS, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW WITH THE TRAGEDIES ASS WE HAVE, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW BASED ON. -- TRANSACTIONS WE HAVE, CHAIR WATERS AND MAYBE COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA ARE SAYING, WE'RE WORRIED IT'S GOING TO ESSENTIALLY DISADVANTAGE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING CASH. I WAS D CURIOUS WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL US AT POINT IN THE FUTURE HOW MUCH WE'RE ACTUALLY GENERATING. Testifier: IF YOU PASS THE BILL? Chair Okimoto: YES. Testifier: WE MAY BE ABLE TO AROUND HAVE TO FIND OUT IF WOIS ACCEPTS CAN DO IT. THE TRACK EVERY ROUND UP AND DOWN. SYSTEMS COULD IT. IT'S GOING TO NET I BELIEVE THAT THE KNIT AMOUNT, WILL BE IMMATERIAL.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. NET AMOUNT.

Chair Okimoto: FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE KNOW DISCUSSION. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THANK YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION CHAIR RECOMMENDS 2026 RECALL PASSAGE SECOND READING AND SCHEDULING PUBLIC HEARING. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. AGENDA EYE TEN NUMBER 7, RESOLUTION 26-86, THIS RESOLUTION APPROVES ONE-TIME COMPROMISE OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES ACCRUED PENALTIES AND INTEREST OWED BY 630 COOK STREET PARTNERSHIP LP, FOR THE TAX YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1, 2025, AND ENDING JUNE 30, 2026, FOR THE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING PORTION OF NOHONA HALE. SUCH THAT THE TOTAL TAXES, INTEREST AND PENALTIES OWING IN THE AMOUNT OF 324,079.74S 324,079.74COMPROMISED TO AMOUNTF 6,579.22 FULLY ALLOCATED TO THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES PORTION OF NOHONA HALE. BEFORE WE BRING UP THE ADMINISTRATION, PROCEED FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PREAGED ON REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. C.>>Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: WELCOME BACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, DEMOCRATS OF B BFS BFS ANDREW KAWANO. BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES ANDREW KAWANO.

Testifier: ANDREW KAWANO DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND FISCAL SERVICES. THANK YOU FOR HEARING THIS RESOLUTION. BUDGET CHAIR. AND HO'ONANI RABLG COUNCILMEMBERS. HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. ANOTHER SITUATION A, PROJECT TAXPAYOR FOR WHATEVER REASON, DID NOT TIMELY BASIS, SUBMIT A CONTINUING EXEMPTIONS FILING TIMELY WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MANAGING AGENT OR MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT HAD PERSONAL CHANGES AND ADDRESSES GOT MIX IT'S UP AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE ASSESSMENT, NOTICE AND OTHER COMMUNICATIONS MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN TO THE RIGHT PLACE. THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT IS ON THE MAINLAND. ON THE EAST COAST. THE HOUSING AGENT IS OR PROJECT AGENT IS LOCAL. AND WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T PROVIDE COMPROMISE OF FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT, EXCESS OF $300,000, IT COULD IMPACT THE PROJECT LONGER TERM AND HEAVEN FORBID WE DON'T WANT THE OWNER TO CONVERT TO MARKET OR CONVERT SOME OF THE UNITS TO MARKET. BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING, ALL OF THE UNITS EXCEPT FOR ONE FOR THE PROJECT MANAGER IS RECALLING AT 60% AMI OR LOWER. SO ITS THIS PROJECT PROVIDES A VERY NEEDED SERVICE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUGGLING FOR THEIR HOUSING. SO WE FEEL IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A

COMPROMISE OF THE HOUSING COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT. BUT WE SUGGEST THAT STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE COLLECT THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT OF PROJECT WHICH IS AT THE POD PODIUM, STREET LEVEL. COMMERCIAL UNITS THAT SHOULD RESULT IN PAID PROPERTY TAXES ON ALLOCATED BASIS. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? CHAIR WATERS.

Councilmember Waters: THANK YOU DIRECTOR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THIS PROJECT IS PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 60% AMI AND BELOW. HAPPEN TO MAKE A MISTAKE AND DIDN'T FILE. PROPER PAY R PAPERWORK. MAKES TOTAL SENSE. BUT MY QUESTION IS, INDIVIDUAL BASIS, GET IT EVERY YEAR. NOT SO MUCH THIS YEAR IS INNED WHISTLES OR WIDOWER FAILED TO FILE A HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION. AND THEY'RE NOW RESIDENTIAL A. REQUEST CAN'T WE PROVIDE SAME TYPE OF RELIEF ON THE INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

Testifier: BECAUSE WE RUN THE WHOLE GAMUT AS WE DISCUSSED. YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHOLE, SPECTRUM YOU HAVE AVERAGE PERSON LIKE US, YOU HAVE THE VERY RICH THAT SOMETIMES GET THAT THAT SITUATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE ARE NOT AS FORTUNATE. STRUGGLE TO GET BY LIVING DAY-TO-DAY. ON THAT END, WE HAVE OTHER CIRCUIT BREAKERS IF YOU WILL, OTHER WAYS THAT THEY CAN GET RELIEF AND I THINK FOR THE REST OF US, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU HAVE TO BE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT YOU FILE THE CLAIM OR YOU SUBMIT THE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU'RE NAME TITLE HOLDER. IN THE REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT DIVISION SYSTEM. AS I EXPLAINED TO YOU, CHAIR, EVEN MYSELF, I DIDN'T KNOW WHEN I BOUGHT OUR HOME. WE ONLY OWNED HOME AND I DIDN'T MY WIFE WASN'T ON. JOINTS OWNERS. I GOT HER ON AFTER LEARNING BEING PART OF BFS AND LEARNING FROM THE TEAM, SO JUST ROW ISN'TLY, I HE RECENTLY ADDED MY WIFE ONLINE TO THE SYSTEM AND KUHIO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW OUR TEAM CONTINUES TO DO OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EVERY YEAR. SO I THINK THOSE CASES WHILE STILL GOING TO HAPPEN, PROBABLY, ARE GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BE REDUCED OVER TIME. WHERE PEOPLE ARE A UNAWARE THE FACT IF YOU OWN PROPERTY JOANTDLY YOU HAVE TO GO ONLINE AND REGISTER ALL THE TITLE HOLDERS. JOINTLY. SO THAT, PROPERTY WILL PASS

FROM ONE THAT IS DECEASED DURING THE YEAR TO SURVIVING ENTITY. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY. QUESTION WE HAVE HOW MANY WE HAVE 2 IT 80,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL A. IT'S HUGE. JUST TOO MANY OF THEM. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO.

Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. DIRECTOR KAWANO I KNOW THAT ARETHATHNOHONA HALEWENT THROUGHL PROCESS 8, TEN YEARS AGO OPERATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT NOW. AFTER ITS OPERATIONAL, DO WE JUST REQUIRE THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO JUST FOLLOW UP? THERE'S NO STEAK IN THE CITY AFTER APPROVING IT? NO STAKE IN THE CITY AFTER APPROVING TO WORK WITH THOSE PROPERTY MANAGERS?

Testifier: IT IS SO WHEN UNKED THIS CHAPTER, UNDER THIS CHAPTER YOU HAVE TO, ENTER INTO A REGULATORY AGREEMENT AS PROJECT. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO KEEP THE PROJECT OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE PROJECT AFFORDABLE. ER AND OUR ORDINANCE SAYS IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TAXPAYOR TO INFORMERRER REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT OF ANY CHANGES IT IN STATUS. ADDRESS, NAME, ANY CHANGES IN TITLE HOLDERS. AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SUPPOSED TO LET REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT. REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT DIVISION KNOW RIGHT AWAY OF ANY CHANGES. IT'S TAXPAYORS RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT THEY CANNOT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF IS TO FOLLOW UP WITH EVERY TAXPAYOR.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. I THINK GO BASS TIKTOK. Councilmember Cordero: GOES BACK TOTS TYPE OF MARKETING YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT BETTERING MARKETING AND EDUCATION AND I THINK THAT WE ALSO ARE THE SAME GOAL AND WHEN WE WANT TO ADD THINGS TO THE BUDGET TO HELP SUPPORT, BFS DOING SO, I THINK THESE ARE THE TYPES OF SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT. TOO. IN ADDITION TO WIDOWERS AS WELL. THANK YOU CHAIR OKIMOTO. A GED THAT YOU DIRECTOR KAWANO.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MEMBERS WE'RE NO DISCUSSION. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO DISCUSS A A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. I KNOW THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE COUNCIL, THIS IS BEEN SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO CHAIR WATERS. I REMEMBER HEARING THIS FROM BEGINNING. EXAMPLES FROM HIS DISTRICT. APPRECIATE HIM INFORM US AND STANDING UP FOR EVERY DAY RESIDENTS. I DO APPRECIATE, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SAYING I GUESS IT'S TOO MUCH FEAT WITH CARRYING NUMBERS OF 280,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS VERSUS CORPORATIONS. TO ME, I STRUGGLE WITH WHAT I GOING TO APPROVE OUR CORPORATION HAVING SOME KIND OF MISTAKE. AND YET, WE TELL OUR RESIDENTS WHO MAY BE MORE VULNERABLE. ER MAYBE KUPUNA AREN'T THE ONES THAT ARE VERY WELL VERSED WITH ONLINE TRANSACTIONS. THAT'S OKAY GOING TO PASS THIS AND MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR CORNERSES BUT NOT FOR YOU. SO CORNL CORPORATIONS BUT NOT FR YOU. COLLEAGUES SAID, SOMETHING WE CAN DO YOU HAVE MADE EFFORTS BY SIDE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO DO MARKETING AND EDUCATION. I DO PAUSE A LITTLE BITS. WHEN I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING EXEMPTION FOR BIG CORPORATIONS AND NOT FOR PEOPLE IN OUR DISTRICTS PWHO* CHAIR WATERS. NOT BEEN HERE. ADVOCATING FOR THIS I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS I APPRECIATE DISCUSSION. BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS PROBABLY MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO. TO HELP OUREL WIDOWS AND WIDOWERS KUPUNA WHO ARE THE ONES PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT YOU WILL WE'RE DOING ENDS WITH TECHNOLOGY. SO ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT DIRECTOR?

Testifier: I THINK FROM THE BEST THING IT DO, IRISH STATED THIS BEFORE, WE SHOULD FORM PERMITTED INTERACTION GROUP AND HAVE DISCUSSION WITH EXPERTS INCLUDE EXPERTS NO PROPERTY TAXES ON IMPROVING SYSTEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW TO ACTUALLY DO OUTREACH TO ALL TAXPAYORS JUST CAN'T DO IT. OUR FOLKS THAT VISIT PROPERTS APPRAISERS AND PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE THAT VALUATIONS ARE ACCURATE. SO INFORMATION BEING PUT IN TO OUR MASS APPRAISAL SYSTEM IS ACCURATE. AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SOME SMALL INCREASES TO OUR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM. SO WE HAVE INSTEAD OF ONE OR TWO, HANDFUL OF FOLKS CAN GO OUT AND CHECK OUT EXEMPTIONS, DEDICATIONS THINGS LIKE THAT TO ENSURE PEOPLE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. BUT YEAH, TO DO ACTUAL OUTREACH, TO CONFIRM PEOPLE ARE REPORTING THEIR SITUATION PROPERLY, WOULD BE TOO DIFFICULT. CONTINUE IT USE TECHNOLOGY AND DO OUTREACH AND CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATION OF WHAT TAXPAYORS SHOULD BE COMMUNIQUINGS TO REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT.

Chair Okimoto: OKAY. THANK YOU I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE THEIR MARKETING ADVERTISING EFFORTS. I KNOW THAWSH BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE PIC. FOR US TURN TO YOU AS EXPERT ON THIS. FOR THE P.I.G. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED ANOTHER TYPE OF EXPERTS. WANT TO BE ABLE TO REACH ACQUAINTED MAKE THE EXTENSIONS MAKING EXEMPTIONS FOR CORPORATIONS ARE. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT FOR EXAMPLE DREAM CASES WHERE THERE WAS NOT SAYING EVERYBODY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS BUT OR TAKE IT TO ADVANTAGE WHERE IT'S NOT SAFE. FISCAL RESOURCES BUT I'M HOPING THERE IS A BETTER WAY AND IF EITHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE ADVERTISING BUDGETS, TO GET INFORMATION ON EDUCATION PURPOSE I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT COULD ALSO MEMBERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CHAIR WATERS.

Councilmember Waters: QUICK. THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING NOTE IN YOUR PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT. AT THE BOTTOM OF BILL. WITH A STAR. JUST SAY, JUSTIN DEFINE WHAT RESIDENTIAL A IS. P WOULD BE HELPFUL. ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY IN PROPERTY TAX BILL. I REMEMBER YEARS AGO, AGO, WHEN I WORKED FOR THE STATE, TALKING YEARBOOKS AGO, YEARS AGO, GET YOUR PAYCHECK AND GET A NOTE FROM GOVERNOR CAYETANO AND IT BE TALKING ABOUT ALL KIND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT STUFF. NOTE ON YOUR PAYCHECK. SO WHY NOT ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL,EL PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT, LITTLE EDUCATION PIECE ON THERE. WANT ONE OR TWO SENTENCE DEFINING WHAT RESIDENTIAL A AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION, YOUR HOUSE IS OVER CERTAIN AMOUNT, YOU MAY BE TAXED AT AN HIGHER RATE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. TO ME THAT'S NOT THAT HARD. OR IS IT THAT HARD?

Testifier: THINK IT'S COMING, BECOMING EASIER WORKING AND I'M GOING TO ALLOW OUR ADMINISTRATOR TO SPEAK AS KNOWS DETAIL BETTER THAN ME. BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO IMPROVE THE TECHNOLOGY AT THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN UPLOAD INFORMATION NOW. WE HAVE PORTAL. THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE USE OF QR CODES MAYBE ALL OF THAT IS NODE KNEAD S KNEADED QUMPLETE TAKE THE TAXPAYOR TO THE WEBSITE TO IT GET INFORMATION WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'LL LET OUR ADMINISTRATOR TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. THANK YOU. QR CODE. STEVE TAKARA.

Testifier: GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL CHAIR. OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS. STEPHEN QATAR A REAL PROPERTY ADMINISTRATOR. STEPHEN TAKARA. COUPLE BACK COUPLE TOPICS DISCUSSED EARLIER I GUESS IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE PROCOMMIES AND QUESTION ABOUT COMPROMISE AND QUESTION ABOUT CORPORATIONS VERSUS INDIVIDUALS, AND COMPROMISE ITSELF, SO THERE IS BASICALLY BASED ON H HISTORICAL RESOLUTION FOR POUR SILLIES UNTIMELY D POLICIES UNTIMELY OR MISSED DEADLINE BUT THEY WOULD HAVE QUALIFIED THEY GET FULL, COMPROMISE. WE CAN TALK OFFLINE BUT SHOULD IT BE FULL COMPROMISE? SHOULD BE IT PERCENTAGE OR SHOULD THERE BE A MEETING OF THE MINDS WHERE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IF CAN I CHIME IN ABOUT INDIVIDUALS VERSUS CORPORATIONS OR BUSINESSES OR MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. WE KIND OF FELT LIKE AS DIRECTOR KAWANO TOUCHED UPON, IS THAT CURRENTLY, I THINK POLICY FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT WHEN IT COMES TO COMPROMISES. VERSUS INDIVIDUALS. THAT COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE OR TENANTS OF SUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR LOW INCOME HOUSING WOULD BE ADVERSERY AFFECTED VERSUS INDIVIDUAL FAMILY OR HANDFUL OF FAMILY MEMBERS. OR FAMILY I THINK WE SPOKE OFFLINE YEARS AGO, CHAIR, ABOUT MAYBE CREASING WHICH HAD OWES AND WIDOWERS IN SUCH UNFORTUNATE SITUATIONS. WE CAN CONTINUE TO CONVERSATION. AS FAR AS LIKE IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION FOR THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS. WHAT HAD A HAS TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED BEYONCE WE KIND OF OPEN THAT PANDORA'S BOX, COMPROMISING VISUALS, IT CAN GET OUT OF CONTROL. AS DIRECTOR KIND OF ALLUDED TO. IF WE HAVE DEFINED PARAMETERS WHERE IT'S CLEAR, WHERE IT'S

NOT SO MUCH AMBIGUITY OR SUBJECT TIFT I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A SUBJECTIVETY, PROPOSAL, AND WE TALKED OFFLINE YEARS AGO ABOUT IT. OTHER THING WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IS OUR RESIDENTIAL A THRESHOLD. INCREASING FROM A MILLION TO ONE THREE. I THINK GOT CALLS FROM OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS AS FAR AS POSSIBLE TAX RATES. WHAT THAT MEANS. WHETHER IT COMINGS TO THRESHOLD AND TAX RATES. IS THE THRESHOLD NOW AT ONE THREE. OR THAT'S BREAK POINT. RIGHT NOW BREAKING POINT IS AT AN MILLION. SO GO ONE THREE, ARE WEEN COUNCILENTERING MOVE -- ENCOUNTG MOVING THE ONE THREE. RATES WOULD INFLUENCE THAT. WE CAN TALK OFFLINE. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN TALK ABOUT EXPERTS BUT, MAYBE DIRECTOR TALKING ABOUT OUR OFFICES AS BEING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS CHAIR. WE CAN KIND OF EXCHANGE ALL OF THESE DEEP DIVE THINGS. SO CATCHING UP FOR THE LATEST THING AS FAR AS LETTING THEM KNOW HOW DO WE LET THEM KNOW? SO I THINK PREVIOUS COUNCILMEMBER YEARS AGO, KIND OF SAID, WHEN THERE'S A CLASSFICATION CHANGE FROM RESERVATIONS TO RES A, WELCOME OR LIES IT SO WE HAVE COLORIZE IT HAVE WE HAVE THE COLORING ANY TYPE OF CLASS CHANGE O PRINTERS PUT IT IN RED. PUT TOO MUCH INFORMATION GETS CLOUDED. WE GOT SO MUCH INFORMATION SO MUCH PROGRAMS, THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY FIT IN. DON'T IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WITH THE SITUATION THEY'RE IN. OVEROFTEN TIMES. COLOR RISE IN RED TO CALL OR OFFICE. CURRENT SOLUTION. JUST AT THAT TIMER EVERYTHING

WITH INFORMATION, JUST GETS LIKE WHAT IS THAT, SENSORY OVERLOAD AT THAT POINT. TATTER EVERYTHING, AT THAT POINT WE MAY LOSE READERS AT THAT POINT. KIND CHOSE TO COLORING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS EVEN COUNTER THAT, MAIN THING IS CALL OUR OFFICE. AND AGAIN RE WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER SOLUTION AND IDEAS IF I CAN, SORRY TALKING SO LONG, A AS FAR AS HOME EXEMPTIONS EDUCATION, WE DO PURSUE IT WITH THE COMPS TEAM, SOCIAL MEDIA, DO PUBLIC OUTREACHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WITH REALTORS. ANY OTHER TYPE OF EVENTS. PERSONALLY, IF I GO OUT AND HANG OUT. PEOPLE HEY WHERE YOU WORK? OH, YEAH. EXEMPTIONS. LINE UP IN THE WATER TELL PEOPLE SURFING, YOU GET YOUR HOME EXEMPTIONS? NO WORRY. TRYING MY EFFORT T TO PROMOTE HOME EXEMPTIONS.

Councilmember Waters: JUST A THOUGHT. I AGREE. WHEN IT'S IN RED, SO THE IDEA IS TO CALL THE TAX OFFICE. BUT MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BLUSH ON THE BOTTOM EXPLAINING WHY IT'S RED. BLURB ON THE BOTTOM. NOW RESIDENTIAL A. WHICH MEANS NEED TO FIND WHAT RESIDENTIAL A IS. THOUGHT IS. APPRECIATE YOU. GETTING WAY BETTER. WAY BETTER. SO BEEN AT THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AS YOU MENTIONED. AND WE'RE GETTING LESS AND LESS PEOPLE CAUGHT WITHOUT THAT HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION. ER JUST A THOUGHT. THANK YOU THANK YOU CHAIR. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: I WHO IS GOING TO WAIT TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. DURING THE APPEALS PROCESS. IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT FOR THIS DISCUSSION. THIS RELATES TO THE HAD. CDA PROGRAM AND U USE LANA WARD VILLAGE. TWO ISSUES THAT SRTS BEEN BROUGHT MY ATTENTION. ULANA. NOT JUST FROM PEOPLE WE KNOW BUT ALSO CONSTITUENTS IN KANEOHE HAVE CHILDREN BROUGHT INTO THAT BUILDING. TWO ISSUES ARE FIRST, THAT MANY OF THEM MISS THE HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION DEADLINE. AND MANY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES AT ABOUT 600, SAY $15,000 AND TAX VALUE WAS $1.2 MILLION. SO FIRST, I'M WONDERING IF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOW TAXED AT RESIDENTIAL A, WHEN THEY LIVE IN THE UNIT, IF WE MIGHT BE CONSIDER A COMPROMISE FOR ALL AFFECTED AND THEN SECOND OF COURSE, THAT DEPENDING ON THE UNIT, THEY RESTRICTED FROM SELLING THEIR PROPERTY AND FAIR MARKET VALUE. YET THEY ARE TAXED AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. AND I'M WONDERING WHAT WE SHOULD DO ON THAT. SO FIRST, HOMEOWNERS EXEMPTION ISSUE AND THEN THE SECOND ONE. CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? I FIGURED ASK YOU NOW SINCE I WAS GOING TO ASK IT LATER.

Testifier: MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN. Councilmember Kia'aina: I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A KAPOHO MICE PERHAPS. RELATED TO A COMPROMISE. SO LET ME BRING UP THE OTHER ISSUE LAYER. COMPROMISE. TALK ABOUT A COMPROMISE. THIS SAY COMPROMISED AGENDA ITEM.

Testifier: AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED EARLIER, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHERE THERE IS APPEAL PROCESS FOR THIS SITUATION. SO THE MANY UNITS AND I'LL JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT, AU LANA PROJECT IN WARD VILLAGE, HOWARD HUGHES PROJECT, I THINK JUST SAY I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. ALANA PROJECT. WORK WITH THE APPRAISERS AND THE APPELLANTS, THEY, NUMBER OF APPEALS AND PROJECT IS HIGH VALUE. REPRESENTS LARGE PERCENTAGE WITH THE APPEALS THIS YEAR. WE ARE GOING TO THROUGH THE PROCESS. NUMBER YOU HAVE AFFORDABLE OR WHAT THEY CALL WORKING WAGE OR OWNERS. THAT WILL IN MILLION DOLLARS RANGE. AND THEY PURCHASE IT FOR BASICALLY HALF OF THAT. SO VERY UNUSUAL NANAKULI SITUATION. BUT WE HAVE THE APPEAL PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND I DON'T RECOMMEND COMPROMISE FOR SUCH PROJECT. KIA'AINA OKAY. WE'LL BE MONITORING THAT. BECAUSE MAYBE YOUR APPEALS PROCESS IS INSUFFICIENT. BECAUSE UFORT UNIQUENESS AND NUMBER OF PEOPLE IMPACTED. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU CHAIR.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. Testifier: SORRY. REAL QUICK. IDEA WAS CIRCLED AROUND NOT VALUING SUCH PROPERTIES AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. Councilmember Kia'aina: THAT'S CORRECT. Testifier: IT GETS COMPLICATED AND WE CAN TOUCH UPON INEQUITIES AT THAT POINT. HOW DO WE VALUE AFFORDABLE, HOW DO WE VALUE LEASE LEASEHOLD THAT ALL OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT FEEL. Testifier: PAY F.A.R. MARKET VALUE. SUPER-COMPLICATED. WHOSE IN, DMOA WOES OUT. HOW DO WE DO IT? FAIRLY WHOSE IN WHOSE OUT. FAIRLY ASSESS, OREL.

Councilmember Kia'aina: THAT IS THE POLICY. Testifier: WE COULD HAVE OFFLINE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOUR COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU MR. TAKARA. SAYING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMENDS THAT RESOLUTION 26-86 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE. SO ORDERED. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. RESOLUTION 26-88. EL RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES TRANSFER OF FUNDS NOT TO EXCEED $150,000 IN GENERAL FUND MONIES FROM THE PROVISION FOR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCRUED VACATION PAY ACTIVITY. CURRENT EXPENSES CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATION ACTIVITY, SALARIES, CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, REQUIRED TO SUPPORT PERSONNEL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AU DEMELLOs ONGOING DISASTER RESPONSE AND RECOVERY OPERATIONS. DEMs RESPONSE. IN PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING ON WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK DO WE ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. DURING THIS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. DIRECTOR DR. RANDALL COUL IDGES.

Testifier: ALOHA GOOD MORNING. DIRECTOR COUL IDGES. ER ALOHA. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL. PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU. THIS JUST BOOK KEEPING MATTER. AND FOCUSED ON TRANSFERRING THESE FONDS FROM THE STATED ACCOUNT TO DEM SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES INCURRED QUITE A LOT OF OVER TIME. DUE TO THE STORMS FROM IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH. AND APRIL. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DIRECTOR C COUL IDGES.

Councilmember Cordero: DIRECTOR COUL IDGES. HOW MANY,EL CO COLLINS PERSONNEL WILL THIS $15,000 COVER. NOT CLEAR IN THE RESOLUTION. IN THE $150,000 COVER. Testifier: COVERING, THE, FULL-TIME FUNDED STAFF THAT WE HAVE SO 15 PAID POSITIONS. WE'RE TWO POSITIONS LIGHT. SO IT WILL BE 12. Councilmember Cordero: SO $150,000, DIVIDED BY 13 PEOPLE? Testifier: WELL, COVERING THEIR OWN EVER OVER TIME. DEPENDS WHEN THEY WORKED AND SO FORTH. Councilmember Cordero: UNDERSTOOD. HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO CAL THRAIT THAT, SPILL IN APRIL. CLAILT THAT. HOW WERE A UBL TO CALCULATE IT FOR, THIS QUICK?

Testifier: I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO MY ASOEN THAT I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER. I KNOW THEY LOOKED AT THE IT PRETTY CLOSELY. ER. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR OKIMOTO. Testifier: THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? SEEING NONE. MEMBERS WE ARE IN DISCUSSION. NO FUSHED, CHAIR RECOMMENDS THAT RESOLUTION NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 6-88, BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? Testifier: YES. DISCUSSION. DIRECTOR COUL IDGES. IT WAS FOR PAST OVER TIME. OR FOR OVER TIME MOVING FORWARD INTO END OF FISCAL YEAR?

Testifier: MY UNDERSTANDING COVERING THE OVERAGE FROM PAST OVER TIME. BUT I'LL GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT FOR YOU IF YOU NEED. Councilmember Cordero: THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN. THANK YOU. ER.

CTHANK YOU VERY PERTINENTQUES. DISCUSSION. FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS MEMBERS? OKAY. SEEING NONE. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-88 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. MEMBERS MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. RESOLUTION 26-94,ER RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES TRANSFER OF FUND IS NOT TO EXCEED $1,200,000 IN GENERAL FUND MONIES FROM THE PROVISION FOR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCRUED VACATION PAY ACTIVITY CURRENT EXPENSE CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES ACTIVITY, SALARIES CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, TO COVER THE PROJECTED SHORTFALL CAUSED BY UNBUDGETTED INCENTIVE PAY FOR PR ER AT ALL R ALTERNATE WORK SCHEDULE AGREEMENT, OVER TIME OAMPLEGS CUSS U CAUSE BID EMERGENCIES -- OVERAGES CAUSED BY EMERGENCIES SUCH AS KONA LOW STORMS. DELIVERED HAND HANDCARRIED PROPD CD1. SUBMITTED BY MYSELF. CD1 MAKES FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. A FOURTH WHEREAS CLAUSE, CLARIFIES TRANSFER FROM THE PROVISION FOR SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCRUED VACATION PAY ACTIVITY WILL BE FROM THE CURRENT EXPENSES CE CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE C RE FROM FISCAL YEAR '2026 TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES ESD, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE A ACTIVITY SALARIES S, SOE. BE IT RESOLVED CLAUSE, CLARIFIES RECIPIENT DEPARTMENT IS THE ESD. AND C, MAKES MISCELLANEOUS

NONSUBSTANTIVE AGREEMENTS. BEFORE WE BRING UP THE ADMINISTRATION. WE WILL PROCEED FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE CHINATOWN CHAMBER. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. SEE NOTHING TESTIFIERS, LIKE TO WELCOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, DEPUTY DIRECTOR IAN SANTI.

Testifier: HAD-HONORED GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL CHAIR WATERS. ER COUNCILMEMBERS. AGAIN, IAN SANTI DEPUTY DIRECTOR HONOLULU EMERGENCY SERVICE DEPARTMENT. THIS FUNDING IS TO JUST REJECTED SHORT UP TO $1.2 MILLION. AND THAT IS DUE TO SOME OVER TIME THAT WAS INCURRED AS WELL AS ALSO TO OUR SUPPLEMENTAL COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT WE PASSED WITH OUR UPW, SO THIS IS SUPPORT THAT FUNDING. EL AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU DEPUTY DIRECTOR. MEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR DEPUTY DIRECTOR SANTI? DEPUTY DIRECTOR, SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO ASKED, DEM, IN THIS CASE, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, JUST FOR THE PAST, NOT PAST AND WHAT YOU --

Testifier: IT'S PROJECTED UP TO COVER ALL THE WAY THROUGH, SO I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS THIS AFFECTS APPROXIMATELY 250 UNIFORM PERSONNEL. 250 TO 275. UNIFORMED PERSONNEL. AND IT'S FOR SOME OF EVERTIME THAT WE DID INCUR THROUGH THE STORM, BUT ALSO, WE HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION THAT AFFECTS THEIR LLONGEST LONGEVITY WITH THE DEPARTMENT. THAT TO COVER US THROUGH JUNE 30. IT IS IN OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT QUESTION WAS GOING TO COME UP AND IF IS ALSO TO, WHAT WE DO IS HAVE MONEY TODAY. BUT WE A ANTICIPATE THAT WE MAY HAVE PROJECTED SHORTFALL. THAT MUCH. MAY NOT BE USING WHOLE 1.2, UP TO THAT AMOUNT.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. DEPUTY DIRECTOR. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT? SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. WE ARE NO DISCUSSION. THANK YOU DEPUTY DIRECTOR. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CHAIR RECOMMENDS THAT RESOLUTION 26-ER 94 BE AMENDED TO A H HANDCARRIED CD1 IDENTIFIED OCS2026-0 OCS2026-0249/4/24/2026, AT 12:44 P.M. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY RESERVATIONS? SEEING NONE. RESOLUTION AMENDED TO A CD1. CHAIR THEN RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-94 CD1 BE REPORTED OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTION OR READ, HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. INTERMEDIATE SCHOOLS OR RESERVATIONS. HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. OBJECTIONER OR RESERVATIONS. ER 26-93. TRANSFER OF FUNDS NOT EXCEED $1,300,000 IN GENERAL FUNDS MONIES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS & RECREATION, RECREATION SERVICES ACTIVITY, CURRENT EXPENSES, CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, GROUNDS MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY, CURRENT EXPENSES CHARACTER OF EXPENDITURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 2-6Z, REQUIRED TO MEET A BUDGET SHORTFALL FOR WATER COSTS. MEMBER WES HAVE DISTRIBUTED HANDCARRIED PROPOSED CD1 O OCS2026-050-25-0144/27,/2026, 7:45 P.M. SUBMITTED BY MYSELF. THE CD1 MAKES FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS. A, BE IT REVOLVED CLAUSE, AMENDS TABLE BY ADDING REFERENCES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, IN THE FROM COLUMN AND THE TO COLUMN.

B MAKES MISCELLANEOUS TECHNICAL AND NONSUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENTS. BEFORE WE BRIP ADMINISTRATION, WE LIKE TO PROCEED WITH FIRST RECALL IN PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. PROCEEDING NOW WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM? Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: SEEING NO TESTIFIERS. LIKE TO WELCOME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION, DEPUTY DIRECTORRER KEHAULANI PUU. ALOHA. GOOD MORNING. DEPUTY DIRECTOR.

Testifier: ALOHA. GOOD MORNING. BUDGET CH CHAIR OKAMOTO CHAIR MATT WEYER HONORABLE MEMBER OF COUNCIL. DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION. SO THIS RESOLUTION REQUEST FOR TRANSFER OF FUNDS. FOR OUR LARGEST DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF DIVISION OF PARK MAINTENANCE AND RECREATION SERVICE. WE ARE REQUESTING TRANSFER OF $1.3 MILLION IN ANTICIPATED SAVINGS ELECTRICITY, FROM OUR REY-HENG RESERVATION SERVICES RECREATION SERVICE CURRENT EXPENSES IS TO GROUNDS MAINTENANCE TO HELP COVER ANTICIPATED SHORTFALL FOR WATER BILL. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER 200 PARKS. FIELDS, COMFORT STATIONS CAMPGROUNDS. POOLS. GYMS. REY-HENG RESERVATION CENTERS ALL THAT REQUIRES RECREATION CENTERS ALL THAT REQUIRE AND HAVE HIGH WATER OUT UTILIZATION.

Chair Okimoto: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? SEE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION DISCUSSION. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTION 26-93 BE AMENDED TO A HANDCARRIED CD1. IDENTIFIED AS OCS2026 OCS2026-0250/4/27/2026, AT 745 7:45 A.M. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? ANY RESERVATIONS? SEEING NONEMENT RESOLUTION AMEND TO A CD1. CHAIR THEN RECOMMEND THAT IS RESOLUTIONEL 26-ER 93ER CD1 BE REPORT OUT FOR ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. THANK YOU DEPUTY DIRECTOR. AGENDA TIME NUMBER 11. COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 90. 2026. TRANSMITS DRAFT COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE REVIEW AND VALUATION OF SALARY COMMISSION PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 3, ARTICLE 15, REVISED ORDINANCES OFFER HONOLULU 2021. WE HAVE RELATED COMMUNICATION C C-12-26 DATED JANUARY 30, AT JANUARY 30, 2026, WHICH IS NOT COVERED COMMISSION'S LATEST RECOMMENDATION. BEFORE WE BRING UP ADMINISTRATION, PROCEED WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, YES. ONE STANDING BY. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. WELCOME MR. JASON LIANG.

Testifier: THANK YOU CHAIR OKAMOTO AND VICE CHAIR NISHIMOTO AND HONORABLE COUNCILMEMBERS. HERE TODAY PERSONAL CAPACITY AS PRIVATE SIN CITIZEN OPPOSE FINDING OF SALARY COMMISSION. AS IS IT NEERA TANDEN SALARY COMMISSION LACKS PUBLIC INPUT AND TRANSPARENCY. SALARY COMMISSION. METHODOLOGY KNOWN TOLENTINO THEM AND NO SUBSAN TIF EVIDENCE TO IT JUSTIFY SALARY INCREASE. RATIONALE MADE WITH THE, EXCUSE ME. RATIONALE MADE WITH THE INCREASE AIL LINES CITY WORKFORCE ADJUSTMENT AND INFLATIONARY PRESSURE. SALARY COMMISSION EXCITES INFLATIONARY INCREASE OF 2.6% AND COMPARABLE CITY SALARY SCHEDULE AS 4% INCREASE THIS YEAR. WHERE DOES SALARY COMMISSION. DERIVE ADDITIONAL .7%. MADE SHOW WORK IN SCHOOL, SALARY COMMISSION MUST BE MADE TO DO THE SAME. EYE TEAMs JUST TIDE TPAO* I HAD 10TH OF% ANY SALARY INCREASE. JUSTIFIED. REQUEST THAT'S COUNCILMEMBERS HERE TODAY VOTE DOWN SALARY INCREASE AND OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS DO THE SAME. ER INCREASE HAS NOT EARNED APPROVAL OF THE PUBLIC NOR DOES IT STAND UP TO ANY SCRUTINY. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME? FIRST AND LAST NAME PLEASE? Testifier: YES. JASON LIANG.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TESTIFIER? CHAIR WATERS. WATERS THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. ALOHA. EACH COUNCILMEMBER NEEDS TO DECIDE INDIVIDUALLY ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ACCEPT THE 4.7% SALARY INCREASE. I WANT TO GONE RECORD TO SAY THAT I'M NOT ACCEPTING IT. SAME RECOMMENDATION IS MADE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I BELIEVE THE INCREASE WOULD BE ABOUT $9,000 FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HEADS. DEPUTY DIRECTOR, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT ALLOW THAT INCREASE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? ING.

Testifier: I'M SUGGESTING THAT THE SALARY COMMISSION JUSTIFY INCREASES AND SHOW THEIR WORK. NOT ITEMIZED ANY OF THEIR INCREASES NOR HAVE THEY JUSTIFIED IT. NUMBERS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND NOT BASED ON ANY MATERIAL EVIDENCE. Councilmember Waters: OKAY. YOU DON'T OPINE WHETHER OR NOT THE INSTALLATION SHOULD GET A RAISE? Testifier: I BELIEVE THAT SALARIES SHOULD AB ADJUSTED TO REFLECT THE WORK THAT PEOPLE DO, AS WELL AS ECONOMY. STATE OF ECONOMY. SO FAR, THIS SALARY COMMISSION HAS NOT DONE THEIR JOB. Councilmember Waters: OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU CHAIR WATERS. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: CLARIFY IS THE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE COMMITTEE REPORT FOR YEARS 21 TO '25? I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE AGENDIZED ITEM IS ABOUT. Chair Okimoto: YES. MEASURE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RAYA KNEW IS FROM '2021 THROUGH 2025. Vice Chair Nishimura: OKAY. Councilmember Kia'aina: ISSUE OF THE 2026 THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA,. Chair Okimoto: CORRECT. Councilmember Kia'aina: JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. COMMENTS ON THAT. BUT I WON'T DO IT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE TESTIFIER? THANK YOU. NOW PROCEED WITH REMOTE TESTIMONY. CLERK ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. MEMBERS NOW PROCEED WITH ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: WELL, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE 2026 PROPOSAL. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WHILE I DO APPRECIATE THE SALARY COMMISSION IN TRYING TO REMEDY HISTORICAL DISPARITIES WITH REGARD TO PAY, I DO BELIEVE MOVING FORWARD R FORWARD IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE FOR BOTH COUNCILMEMBERS AS WELL AS THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE EXPECTING INCREASE EVERY YEAR. IN A 4.7% RANGE. AND WOULD RECOMMEND TWO THINGS. THAT THEY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. SO NUMBER ONE, THEY COULD DETERMINE WHEN TO HAVE INCREASE AND SHOULD THERE EVER BE INCREASE, I BELIEVE THAT EVEN IF THE CHARTER PROVIDES TO ALIGN WITH THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING INCREASE, I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE 3% OR LESS. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. AND I WOULD SAY THAT WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS HAPPENING. EVEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SINCE WE'RE ONLY COMMENTING ON THOSE YEARS.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. MEMBERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS HE COMMITTEE REPORT BE REPORTED OUT FOR SCHEDULING OF PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEARING NONE SO ORDERED. MEMBERS MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 126789 COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 91-2026. THRANS MITTINGS DRAFT COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE REVIEW AND EVALUATION OF REAL PROPERTY TAX BOARD'S, REVIEWEL 1, 2 AND 3. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 15, OF THE REVISED ORDINANCES OF HONOLULU. 2021. MEMBERS FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I PLAN TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY REPORT A AND ATTACH DRAFT BILL O CS2026-0256/4/27/2026 AT 2:31 P.M.. AND IMPLEMENTING COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS. BEFORE WE BRING UP THE ADMINISTRATION, PROCEED WITH FIRST WITH IN-PERSON ORAL TESTIMONY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. CLERK DO WE HAVE ANY IN-PERSON TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM?

C Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: PROCEEDING ON REMOTE TESTIMONY. ANY REMOTE TESTIFIERS FOR THIS ITEM. Council Clerk: CHAIR, THERE ARE NONE. Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU WELCOME FROM THE REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT ADMINISTRATION, REAL PROPERTY TAX BOARDS OF A REVIEW, REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT ADMINISTRATOR STEVE TAKARA. Testifier: THANK YOU ADMINISTRATOR TAKARA. Testifier: HI. BUDGET CHAIR. COUNCIL CHAIR AND OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS. STEPHEN TAKARA REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT ADMINISTRATOR. ER ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT. C

Chair Okimoto: REGARDING THE COMMITTEE REPORT REVIEW. FOR THE BOARDS. SO MUCH TO TALK ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIKE ME TO START. TWO ITEMS? TWO ITEMS ABOUT EDUCATION AND ONLINE? Chair Okimoto: NO. THIS IS COUNCIL COMMUNICATION 91-2026. Testifier: I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Chair Okimoto: FOR THE REAL PROPERTY TAX BOARDS OF REVIEWS 1, 2 AND 3. Testifier: QUESTIONS. OH, OKAY. 2 AND 3.

Chair Okimoto: SO SORRY. ADMINISTRATOR TAKARA. I BELIEVE SO MANY YEARS, WE HAVE TO SHALL GO TO THE RIGHT. THIS IS DRAFT OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT. REVIEW FROM THE REAL PROPERTY TAX BOARDS. REVIEW. Testifier: YEAH. SO. Chair Okimoto: AMENDMENTS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR? THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO TELL ME ABOUT ANY BACKLOG THAT IS OCCURRING WITH THE SEASONING BOARD OF APPEALS. ZONING. IS THERE A BACKLOG, AND HOW ARE WE DEALING WITH IT? I UNDERSTAND BEFORE THERE WAS A BACKLOG RELATING TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL. APPEALS. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON? ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS?

Testifier: I THINK IN GENERAL, WE TRY TO COMPLETE EACH YEAR'SER WORTH OF APPEAL. I THINK WE'RE AT HIGH SUCCESS RATE TO CLOSE. EACH YEAR. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFIC CLASSES OR TYPES OF APPEALS AS FAR AS TVUs. BUT I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. KIA'AINA I THINK MEMBER FROM THE BOARD OF APPEALS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE. Testifier: GOOD IDEA.

Councilmember Kia'aina: YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE WE DON'T WE MAYBE DON'T PASS IT OUT TODAY. BECAUSE I DO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN BECAUSE TTHERE IS A BACKLOG. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK BECAUSE HE'S IN NO POSITION TO BE KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BOARD OF APPEALS. IS THERE A TIME CONSTRAINT. Chair Okimoto: Chair Okimoto: THERE IS A TAMEN KOA TRANSIENT VACATION RENTAL. Councilmember Kia'aina: IT DIDN'T CARE MUCH ABOUT IT FOR NONE OF THEM TO COME TODAY. Testifier: SORRY IF I CHIME IN ON THAT. PRIEST CITIZENS. Councilmember Kia'aina: HE UNDERSTAND. PRIVATE CITIZENS.

Testifier: SO, JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OR THE CONCERN AS FAR AS BACKLOG. I THINK WE CAUGHT UP WITH A MAJORITY OF CASES. CASES WHERE WE NOT ABLE TO SCHEDULE IS I'M NOT BLAMING A APELAPELL ALE Pnd AS CHOOSING HOLD OFF. LARGER LIST OF APPEALS WHATEVER REASON ON ON THE MAINLAND OR OUT OF STATE OR COUNTRY. THE HEAPPELLANTS, TRY TO HE HADK YOU'LL THEM. THEY PUSH IT OFF WE TRY TO DO OUR DARNLDEST TO SCHEDULE IT. KEENER KEENER LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT, I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEER.

Councilmember Kia'aina: THESE DON'T COME UP ALL THE TIME. COULD HAVE BEEN ON ZOOM. TAKES FIVE, TEN MINUTES. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S GOOD TO BE, HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. JUST ASK QUESTIONS. BUT I TAKE MY RECOMMENDATIONS BACK. IF YOU HAVE TO PASS IT, PASS IT. I JUSTEN WOULD BE NICE. THEY PLAY CRITICAL ROLE.

Chair Okimoto: I AGREE. HELPFUL FOR ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO COME BEFORE US. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT VOLUNTARY YOU POSITION. FLOOR LEADER KIA'AINA. TIME LINE. ER DEADLINE LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR. WOULD IN TO TWO THROUGH COMMITTEE TO THE FULL COUNCIL. BUT MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO, ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE PRESENT FOR THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING WITH WHEN AFTER THE COMMITTEE GO TO FULL COUNCIL. THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. KANE KIA'AINA FULL COUNCIL. DON'T WANT TO DO THESE KIND OF THINGS. SO MANY ITEMS. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. BUT AGAIN, RARELY DO THIS. JUST HAD AN PLAGUE COMMISSION REPORT REISN'T LAND CHAIR OF COURSE, SHOWED UP COMMIT HEARING SO WE CONSIDER FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COMMISSION. REPORT RECENTLY.

Chair Okimoto: I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. Councilmember Kia'aina:, SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. COSHED CORE CHAIR THANK YOU CHAIR OKIMOTO. SINCE YOUR REPORT, THAT YOU SUBMITTED IN JANUARY, HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE IN THE VACANT POSITIONS CURRENTLY IN THE REPORT FOR JANUARY 30, FROM JANUARY 30, IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE THREE VACANT POSITION AN THREE MEMBERS SERVING INNER EXPIRED TERMS. EXPEXAMPLE PEER TERMS WHAT HAVE THE MANAHAN DATED MAGNUM-MAN UPDATED MAKE UP OF THE BOARD NOW AS OF APRIL 28.

Testifier: NEW BOARDMEMBER WENT THROUGH THE VETTING PROCESS. NEW BOARDMEMBER SINCE THE WRITING OF THIS DOCUMENT. AND SHE'S BEEN A ABLG ACTIVE ACE BOARDMEMBER ARAL JUDE KATE. TO JUDE KATE. Testifier: DID THEY TAKER TERM EXPIRED. Testifier: YES. Councilmember Cordero: STILL THREE VACANT POSITION AS NOW TWO MEMBERS ACTING IN EXPIRED POSITIONS TERMS? Testifier: I BELIEVE SO. YES. A GOD KATEED. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. FOR ADJUDICATED.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE RECALLING ADMINISTRATOR? ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? Testifier: YEAH. SOWER FOR MY CONFUSION. SORRY FOR MY CONFUSION. IF I CAN, EXPRESS WHERE MY BEARINGS ARE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. SO REPORT, I GUESS PREPARED BY BOARDMEMBERS. RECOMMENDATION. THEN AS BUDGET CHAIR, YOU'RE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS CARAHSOFT AG BULL TO SATISFY THEIR WISHES. OR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING?

Testifier: CORRECT. I BELIEVE TWO OF THE ISSUES ORMATERS ARE ONLINE. HEARINGS AND EDUCATION BOARDMEMBERS. IS THAT CORRECT?

Testifier: GENT YES. MAYBE I CAN START THE CONVERSATION. SO WE'RE OPEN TO AMENDMENTS CHANGES. BUT I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT I THINK WE'RE OKAY AS IS. MEANING THAT WE COULD ELABORATE BOARD RULES. ESTABLISH BOARD RULES EARLIER THINK LAST YEAR. TO KIND OFTEN COMPASS ONLINE REMOTE HEARINGS FOR PEOPLER OUT OF STATE, OUT OF COUNTRY. SO THAT HELPS REACH OUT TO APPELLANTS. AS WELL AS OUR EDUCATION BOARDMEMBERS. THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT BOARDMEMBERS NEED TO BE EDUCATED AND THREW IS GUIDELINE AND RULES THEY NEED TO FOLLOW. AND ORDINANCE. LIKE JUDE KATE CASES WITH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY REAL PROPERTY AS WELL AS APPELLANT. AND NOT DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK. NOTERRERER STUFF LIKE THAT. EN MAHEALANI RICHARDSON THEM. CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THAT TO ME ENRICHES THEMSELVES. GENERAL ED.GENERAL EDUCATION OFE BOARDMEMBER. I THINK CORE HAS A LOT TO DO, WE HAVE OUR CORPORATION COUNSEL REPRESENT US US. AND BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THEIR CORPORATION REPRESENT US THEM. SO THAT PERSON OR THAT A DEPUTY CORPORATION COUNSEL SHOULD THEY HAVE BEEN FILLED FILLING THAT ROLE. FULFILLING THAT ROLE. I THINK MAYBE THE NEED IS GREATER EDUCATION, FROM THE COUNCIL DEPUTY. THAT IS WHAT CONCERN IS. SO.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU. EL COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. Councilmember Cordero: THANK YOU. FIRST OFF,INGSEL TALKING ABOUT THE DRAFT COMMITTEE REPORT. I ANTICIPATE THERE ARE POSSIBLE LEGISLATION COMING FROM SUCH REVIEW AND VALUATION FROM THE REPORT. BUT I DO THINK THIS IS LITTLE, SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BRINGING THOSE NONAGENDIZED ITEMS UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT INTRODUCED AND NOT ON THE AGENDA. I WANTED TO NOTE THAT. I HAVE NO HE'D YEAH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO GO. NO IDEA. THANK YOU. Testifier: OKAY.

Chair Okimoto: MEMBERS AGAIN FOR JUST CLARIFY. COPIES OF THE BILL. HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE TAKARA OR FOR DIRECTOR KAWANO? ER SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MEMBERS WE ARE? DISCUSSION. SEE NOTHING FURTHER DISCU DISCUSSION. CHAIR RECOMMEND THAT IS COMMITTEE REPORT BE AMENDED BY A MUCH TAG DRAFT BILL FOR ORDINANCER NUMBER OCS20 2- 2-6Z-0256/4/27/2026, AT 2:31 P.M. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS? CORD CHOIR WANT TO SAY STAND CORRECTED. THANK YOU.

Chair Okimoto: THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILMEMBER CORDERO. COUNCILMEMBER KIA'AINA. Councilmember Kia'aina: HAVE YOU ATTACHED BILL. BUT IT HASN'T BEEN ENROLL DEUCED. PROPOSED BILL THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE COMMITTEE REPORT. HASN'T BEEN INTRODUCED. Testifier: YES. Councilmember Kia'aina: WE NOT VOTING THANK YOU. Councilmember Cordero: BEFORE DISCUSSION. OKAY.

Chair Okimoto: ANY RESERVATIONS? SEEING NONE. COMMITTEE REPORT HAS BEEN AMENDED. CHAIR THEN RECOMMEND THAT IS COMMITTEE REPORT AS AMENDED BE REPORT OUT FOR SCHEDULING OF PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTIONS OR RESERVATIONS? HEREBYING NONE. SO ORDERED. HEARING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ER ADMINISTRATOR TAKARA AND DIRECTOR KAWANO. MEMBERS WE HAVE COME END OF OUR AGENDA. MAHALO EVERYONE FOR ATTENDING. AND FOR PARTICIPATING IN TODAY'S MEETING. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

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