Regular City Commission Meeting - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, July 7, 2026

The City Commission approved the Water Works 2050 plan, which includes significant water and sewer rate increases over the next five years to fund infrastructure improvements and septic-to-sewer conversions. The Commission also selected Pinnacle Vista as the preferred affordable housing project for a state grant, with a commitment to work with HTG on their Mosaic project for a future funding cycle. Additionally, the Commission approved the sale of five city-owned parcels for affordable housing development, with two parcels on Dewey Street to be considered separately after further community engagement.

About this meeting

Government Body
Regular City Commission Meeting
Meeting Type
Regular City Commission Meeting
Location
Hollywood, FL
Meeting Date
July 7, 2026

Transcript

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10:12 – 10:43Speaker 32

all right everyone welcome today is july 7th 2026 we are here at hollywood city hall for a regular city commission meeting but as i always say no meeting is ever regular because there's always important items to undertake on our agenda and today is no different i think we've got a record number of items today on the agenda i want to say well only 64. but we'll run through it uh because That is what we do. So please rise for a moment of silence followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

10:57 – 11:09Speaker 50

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

11:11 – 11:45Speaker 32

Thank you. Hope everyone had a nice 4th of July weekend. And some of you may have celebrated on Hollywood Beach. So quick thanks to all of the city team and everyone who put together such a great 4th of July celebration. Star Spangled Spectacular, 250th edition on Hollywood Beach. With that, I'd like to recognize our veterans, active service personnel, and their families. So if you are one, please rise. We'd like to recognize you. Clerk, let's go ahead and call the roll.

11:45Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman?

11:49Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana?

11:51Speaker 40

Commissioner Shuham? Here. Commissioner Hernandez? Here. Vice Mayor Kaleri? Here. Commissioner Gruber? Here. Mayor Levy?

11:59Speaker 32

Here. All right. Pat, are there any speaker cards on the consent items?

12:07 – 12:27Speaker 32

Item 24. We'll take that at the end of the agenda. Okay, I'd like to invite motion to approve Second we have motion to second to approve a consent items 5 through 23 all those in favor say aye Any opposed hearing on those items carry unanimously mayor.

12:28 – 12:42Speaker 49

Yes vice mayor Kaleri If we could we have a speaker for number five we could just For number five that we just passed the Boys and Girls Club block grant for the teen center exciting news I

12:42 – 12:53Speaker 32

All right. Well, Vice Mayor Kaleri wants to invite you for a moment of privilege here to speak on behalf of the Boys and Girls Club. Item was already approved. Go ahead.

12:55 – 13:50Speaker 14

Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, thank you. Just wanted to acknowledge that we are progressing quite well on the teen center in West Hollywood, shared space with the city offices. We're projecting that the building should be hopefully ready in September. working diligently on the space, but we're looking forward to welcoming our teens right now. We're seeing about 250 to 300 youth per day during the summer. We anticipate seeing about 75 teens per day for the school year. Just a lot of activities that are happening, getting excited for our teens, somewhat sometimes a forgotten group, but we're looking forward to kind of welcoming them and offering them additional services at the club. Workforce readiness, academic support, and other things that we're going to be venturing off to with our team. So again, thank you for the city's support. We couldn't do this without you. So again, much, much appreciation.

13:50Speaker 49

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

13:53 – 14:34Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. Let's go ahead and take item 24. It's a quick item, and there could be people here. I don't want to have this sit until 7 PM. So let's go ahead. Item 24 is a resolution of the City Commission approving and authorizing the City to execute an agreement with MiDAT Services, Inc., doing businesses block by block for the Clean Ambassador Program services in an annual amount up to $750,000 for an initial five-year period with two additional two-year renewals. Pat, I'll take the speaker card. City Manager, I don't know that you have anything else to say besides introducing the item. I think we all know what it is. Block by block.

14:35 – 15:22Speaker 50

That's correct, Mayor. The block by block program is one of the programs that was started under the CRA in the downtown area that enhances the cleanliness of the area. They have done an excellent job and have been very responsive to work with. We did put it out and Block by Block came back as the number one ranked firm and we really would like to continue that relationship. We do feel they provide great value to the city at a rate that is, you know, really something that we could not do the same service that they're doing under our normal staffing. This is an enhanced service that we believe is necessary.

15:23Speaker 32

All right, I'll take the speaker card. Ann Ralston.

15:30 – 16:49Speaker 57

Thank you. My problem is not with the cleanup. It's with the cost. An average homeowner has to clean up their own swale, pick up their own trash, and pay to have it removed. Any business that's not in the downtown has to clean up after themselves, their patrons, or whatever. So I don't understand why just the downtown, and possibly I've read someplace a little bit of the beach, gets this special kind of free service to pay. Do they pay in? I think if I'm a downtown business and I get the benefit of the city paying to have my place cleaned up from the patrons coming, they should pay into a fund that helps offset that cost, because the rest of us don't get that ability. We have to pay to have it done. We have to pay to have trees trimmed on our swale, whether they're ours or not or planted by the city or not. So you put the onus on always the homeowner or a business outside of a CRA district or whatever. So it's not the idea that they clean up. I think they do an excellent job. It's the point that it seems that it's only benefiting a small area. for a whole lot of taxpayer money. That's my problem with it.

16:50Speaker 32

Thank you. All right, I'll entertain a motion on the item.

16:55 – 17:24Speaker 32

Motion to approve by Commissioner Gruber, second by Vice Mayor Kaleri. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously. Onto our 1 PM presentations, proclamations, and awards. We have one presentation. We have Dr. Jennifer Jurado here. She's the Chief Resiliency Officer and Deputy Director of Public Works and Environmental Services Department, Broward County, regarding the Resilient Broward Grant Program. Welcome, Dr. Jurado. We love having you come and talk about grant opportunities.

17:25Speaker 36

JENNIFER JURADO here. Excellent. I do believe that there's a presentation. And just.

17:31 – 24:53Speaker 36

And ensuring that this is the remote to progress the slides. Or do I just say next slide? This remote works? OK. So thank you very much, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, just for a few minutes on your agenda. I know you have a packed agenda. I'm here to share the launch of a new grant program that's being made available through the Broward County Board of County Commissioners and their support for accelerated implementation of the countywide resilience plan that was developed in collaboration with our cities and drainage water control districts over the last several years. I know that you're all familiar with the stresses that rising sea and increased rainfall intensification present with respect to flooding. And we know that the flooding impacts have been disruptive across Broward County and including in the city of Hollywood where we've all seen very significant flood levels, damages, and disruptions. So recognizing these challenges, the county commission had put forward the funding to support the development of a countywide resilience plan. It was completed in 2025. And you can see here spatially the distribution of projects that were proposed to specifically address flood risk reduction across our communities. And they include seawalls, control structures, pump stations, culvert improvements, and storage. When we had modeled the benefits for flood risk reduction, you can see the results here for a particular scenario. This includes all the projects that we modeled. We understand that many of those will occur over periods of decades, but there are some projects that can be accelerated. And those in particular are conveyance projects that are focused on our stormwater management systems. They're very discrete projects, including pumps, enhancements to our gravity systems, and as I noted, canals and culvert improvements. These are hard capital projects with specific, you know, points in the ground where we can put that infrastructure in place. We know that collectively these benefits derive significant reductions in exposures and preservation of property value, implications for improved affordability of flood insurance, protecting the tax base. And so there's many, many reasons why we would want to see these projects implemented as quickly as possible. and our county commission is interested in working across the community to help do that. We acknowledge that the initial plan is significant in the overall expenditures. Like many communities, we're all up and down the Atlantic coast and elsewhere looking to pull these dollars together. We have identified about a billion in those conveyance projects that we would prioritize and recommend for early implementation. And we recognize there's about another 2 billion that's apt to be required in the way of pump infrastructure in our coastal communities, specifically as we work to build up seawalls and we need more active systems to main drain drainage behind those seawalls. And so with this acknowledgment that there are these significant need for investment and accelerated implementation, the board voted earlier this year to allocate $20 million. This was outside of our typical budget process, pulling from reserves. with the goal of trying to seed the dollars that could then be additionally leveraged to help implement that billion and billion plus in infrastructure investments. Our board county commission has committed that with these funds, we're able to provide up to 25% cost share on these select type of projects. Again, this is the hard capital critical infrastructure that we modeled. But in addition, it can be like projects. And I know that your staff is already working to evaluate where you have opportunities. Our commission's goal would be that if we can expend these dollars and leverage effectively, Year after year, while we can't commit future commissions funds, the goal would be to do well each year with this distribution of funding. And over 15 years, ideally, we see $1.5 billion in constructed projects by working with our cities, our water control districts, and any of the additional grants that might come to bear. The board has supported the grant criteria as are detailed here. I won't go through them all. It's self-evident. You have it as a backup material. This information is posted on our website at resilientbrower.com. Initially, in this website, you'll also see that we had identified in this early modeling specific projects. I've detailed here those that meet the criteria. They're shown with the red boxes. These were either the culverts or crossings or control structures. What I want to say, though, is that we did not model explicitly the coastal pumps. And those are areas that are still available and eligible for funding. So we do have enough funds, presumably, that over the course of the 15 years, we would be able to accomplish about 30% of that additional coastal pumping. And so I want to just articulate that while we have preference for the projects that are shown here with the red boxes and the details available on the website, we're looking for projects that are either those projects, consistent with the intent of the plan, and also recognizing that monies were set aside to help deal with the coastal issues and that additional pumping that will be required. So we look forward to working with teams Eligible costs are design permitting and construction. We will be looking for the installation of telemetry with those projects so that we can measure the benefits and water level reductions where that's relevant. We're looking for three-year grant agreements, so that should be a decent amount of time to be able to support project implementation. potentially leverage resilient Florida dollars at the same time under that timeline. You can go online, click on the project, see the details. As a starting point, there will be some preference for those projects, but as I said, it's open to other compatible projects. The timeline for the grant program in this first year is shown here. We'll be offering some online webinars for staff and planners and so forth to learn more, ask more questions. We expect the portal. to open in September, receive applications through October. We hope to provide staff recommendations towards the end of the year, at least internally, present those to our boards in early spring, and then have those projects ideally contracted before the commencement of our next budget cycle, demonstrate tremendous success in being able to get those dollars out the door, and hopefully that'll be an incentive for year two funding. So we encourage the city's applications, look forward to working with your team to help identify eligible projects, and look forward to supporting the city's flood risk reduction investments. Thank you.

24:54Speaker 32

Great. Thank you, Dr. Jurado. Vice Mayor Clary?

24:57 – 25:22Speaker 49

Well, I think it's perfect timing, especially since we're going to be talking certain prices and challenges that we're facing, but this falls right along with our stormwater finding grants, whether it's through county, state, or federal. So this is, I think, really beneficial, and it'll help with the cost savings in the long run. And I'm glad to see those two boxes. Is it for the canals, the pump station, those two red boxes?

25:22 – 25:40Speaker 36

Yeah, those were control structures that we modeled, and they can be gates and weirs. The ones that we modeled were designed to lower the upstream water levels by about one foot, which would be a significant flood reduction benefit. There may be other eligible projects. It's just this is what we included in our modeling.

25:41 – 25:59Speaker 49

But yeah, they're on the canals, and those were control structures specifically. And is there any priority as far as those that you already have on versus if there were some other We call them hot spots that would take priority, or is this what you've determined is the initial, I guess, attack plan for benefit?

25:59 – 26:29Speaker 36

Thank you for the question. I would say there will be additional points allocated to those that are specifically included in the plan, and we will be presenting the point structure online so folks can weigh their applications accordingly. but it does not preclude support for other projects. But again, there are criteria, and it'll be competitive and based upon the point allocation. But the specific identification of the project here is not going to make or break a funding opportunity. Well, I think it's wonderful. Motion to approve.

26:29Speaker 32

All right. Well, thank you for the presentation, Dr. Jurado. I know our staff, as you mentioned, is already working on it, city manager.

26:36 – 27:03Speaker 50

Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners, I just want to compliment Dr. Jurado and the county staff. They have been very robust in their outreach to us to make sure right away, as soon as the county commission approved this opportunity, they were making sure that we were aware and able to start preparing our applications. So we are working on several projects. And, of course, as we get those done, we will share them with each of you so that you're aware.

27:03Speaker 32

Wonderful. Thank you.

27:04Speaker 50

Thank you so much.

27:06 – 27:49Speaker 32

All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a 1.15 times certain item. It is just about 1.30, so we're not that far behind. Item 26 is an ordinance of the City of Hollywood, Florida, amending Chapter 33 of the Code of Ordinances, titled Firefighters' Pension and Retirement, incorporating various changes to the chapter contained in the tentatively agreed-to collective bargaining agreement with the Hollywood Professional Firefighters Local 1375. I know when the ordinance is read into the record before we vote, you'll hear the rest of it. This is an ordinance on second reading, advertising conformance of state statutes and student codes as a public hearing. No changes since the first hearing. From the Office of Human Resources, I'd like to open the public hearing and ask for Alexandra Yonker.

27:54Speaker 42

Good afternoon. How are you guys?

27:57Speaker 32

Here we are, second reading.

27:58 – 32:25Speaker 42

Second reading. Motion to approve. Well, good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, City Management, City Manager, Assistant City Managers. Thank you. For the members of the community, I just want to introduce myself. My name is Alex Yonker. I have the privilege of serving as President of Hollywood Professional Firefighters Local 1375. Today, I do not stand before you just to simply speak about a contract. I stand before you to say thank you. Thank you for recognizing the value of the men and women who answer the city's call for every hour of every single day. Thank you for listening throughout this process, and thank you for making an investment in the people who stand ready whenever our community needs them most. Negotiations are rarely easy. They're intended to challenge ideas, priorities, and perspectives. There are moments when conversations become difficult. And there are times when we sit on opposite sides of the table. But that's part of the process. Throughout all of it, we never lose sight of one important fact. Every person involved wants what they believe best for the city of Hollywood. And for that, I am grateful. Our profession is very unique. We prepare for moments we hope that never happen. Every shift begins with uncertainty. We don't know if the next alarm will be a child who isn't breathing, a family member trapped inside of a burning house, a hazardous material release, a technical rescue, or a natural disaster that changes lives of thousands in a matter of hours. Yet regardless of what comes next, our community expects us to be ready. They don't ask whether we've been awake all night. They don't ask how many calls we've already run. They don't ask if it's Christmas morning, in the middle of the night, or if it's our child's birthday. They simply dial 911 with complete faith that somebody will come. And we do. And that readiness doesn't happen by chance. It is built through thousands of hours of training, relentless preparation, physical and mental resilience, and commitment to excellence that extends beyond emergency scenes. We prepare for high-risk, low-frequency events that most people never see because if that day comes, failure simply is not an option. People often think that they are paying firefighters to respond to emergencies, but they are not. They are investing in the years of preparation that make those responses successful. They're investing in experience, professionalism, teamwork, leadership, and calm decision-making that only comes from training for the unknown long before it arrives. Because when somebody's worst day becomes our ordinary day, there are no second chances. Today's vote is about more than compensation. It's about ensuring that the city takes a positive step forward to continue to attract and retain experienced professionals who have dedicated their lives to serving others. It's about recognizing that public safety is not an expense to be minimized. It's an investment to be protected. Strong communities are built by people who are willing to invest in what matters before the crisis ever happens. And that is exactly what you have done today. To the City Commission, thank you for your confidence and support. To our city manager, administration, human resources, finance, legal, and everyone who spent countless hours working through this agreement, thank you for your professionalism and willingness to keep working until we found common grounds. To our firefighters and paramedics, thank you. Thank you for missing holidays. Thank you for working through the exhaustion. Thank you for sacrificing time with your families so that others can have more time with theirs. Thank you for carrying the weight of this profession with humility, courage, and unwavering dedication. This agreement is not the finish line. This is another step in building a strong department, a stronger partnership, and a stronger city of Hollywood. Today, you will vote, and tomorrow we return to the same exact mission, to serve this community together. On behalf of Hollywood Professional Firefighters Local 1375, thank you for believing in us, for supporting us, and recognizing that preparing for the unknown is one of the greatest investments that a city can make. We're proud to serve the city, we're honored to protect it, and we will continue to earn your trust every single day. Thank you.

32:32Speaker 32

Thank you, Alex, for conveying those important messages on behalf of the men and women of Hollywood Fire Rescue. Public hearing is now closed. I'll accept the motion.

32:42Speaker 32

We have a motion from Commissioner Hernandez, a second from Vice Mayor Clary to approve the ordinance on second reading. Let's go ahead and see the attorney read the ordinance, and we'll call the roll call vote.

33:00 – 34:10Speaker 8

An ordinance of the City of Hollywood, Florida amending Chapter 33 of the Code of Ordinances titled Firefighter's Pension and Retirement, incorporating various changes to the chapter contained in the tentatively agreed to collective bargaining agreement with the Hollywood Professional Firefighter's Local Number 1375, including changes to the benefit accrual rate for firefighters who separate from service, enter the deferred retirement option plan, or enter the reformed planned retirement benefit to 3.4% of average final compensation for each year of credited service earned on and after July 7, 2026 for both Tier 1 and Tier 2 members, changes to the normal retirement date to the earlier of the first of the month following the attainment of age 50 and the completion of 10 years of credited service or upon the completion of 21 years of credited service regardless of age, and changes to the member contribution rate to 9.85% for Tier 1 members and 11.35% for Tier 2 members, providing for conflict, codification, and an effective date.

34:12Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman?

34:18Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana?

34:21Speaker 40

Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez? Yes. Vice Mayor Clary? Yes. Commissioner Gruber?

34:31 – 34:51Speaker 32

Yes. All right. Thank you. The motion passes unanimously on second reading. A quick companion resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood, ratifying the 2025-2028 collective bargaining agreement with Hollywood Professional Firefighters Local 1375 and authorizing the city to execute the agreement.

34:52Speaker 29

Motion to approve.

34:53Speaker 32

Motion to approve by Vice Mayor Kaleri. Second. Second from Commissioner Gruber. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item passes unanimously.

35:04Speaker 29

All right, that concludes the items for our firefighters and fire rescue folks.

35:07 – 35:19Speaker 32

Thank you all for your service. Alex said it best. Appreciate the work. Keep going. Make us proud. And you're free to go. Otherwise, you could stay until 7 o'clock and enjoy dinner here. All right. Appreciate it, everybody.

35:19Speaker 25

Is that the time we're expected to finish?

35:21Speaker 32

I don't know. All right.

35:25Speaker 49

Give up the great job, guys. Thank you.

35:26 – 36:06Speaker 32

Thank you all. All right, 115 times certain item, quasi-judicial items. An ordinance of the City of Hollywood, item 28, changing the zoning designation of 0.94 acres, generally located at 2910 Polk Street, as more specifically described in exhibit A, from the transitional core zoning district TC1 to retail core zoning district RC1, and amending the city's zoning map to reflect the change in zoning designation. This is an ordinance on second reading, advertising conformance to state statutes and city codes. There have been no changes since the first reading. Of course, this is from the Department of Development Services. I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing. Are there any speaker cards on 28?

36:09 – 36:23Speaker 32

Public hearing is now closed. City attorney, is this a quasi-judicial item or no? Just in the way in which the agenda is described here, it seems to say that it's potentially, but let's just confirm with you.

36:23Speaker 8

No, this is not a quasi-item. Motion to approve.

36:27 – 36:38Speaker 32

We have a motion from Vice Mayor Kaleri and a second from Commissioner Hernandez to approve the ordinance on second reading. City Attorney, go ahead and read the ordinance, and we'll call the roll call vote. Item 28.

36:39 – 37:00Speaker 8

An ordinance of the City of Hollywood, Florida changing the zoning designation of 0.94 acres generally located at 2910 Polk Street, as more specifically described in Exhibit A from the Transitional Core Zoning District to Retail Core Zoning District, RC1, and amending the city's zoning map to reflect the change in zoning designation.

37:04Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman. Yes.

37:07Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana? Yes. Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez? Yes. Vice Mayor Kaleri? Yes. Commissioner Gruber? Yes. Mayor Levy?

37:17 – 38:10Speaker 32

Yes. All right. Show the ordinance passing unanimously on second reading. Thank you. Let's go ahead since we have about 20 minutes till our 2 p.m. time certain items. Let's go ahead and handle some other business that perhaps will be quick and not require a lot of discussion. Let's go ahead first with item 48. That's a resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood approving and authorizing the execution of a funding commitment between the City of Hollywood and Dixie Hollywood Apartments LLC. It's an affiliate of Affiliated Development LLC for a mixed income workforce housing development located at 400 South Dixie Highway, including approximately $4 million in gap financing. And a little over $2 million in community redevelopment agency post-TIF funding that we approved earlier this morning. And a development review fee waiver at 100% and 100% public art waiver.

38:11Speaker 49

Motion to approve. Second.

38:13 – 38:29Speaker 32

We have a motion and a second to approve item 48, other speaker cards. Ann Ralston and Michael Seltzer. Come on up at hand.

38:41 – 40:19Speaker 57

It seems that developer doesn't own the property. It's owned by the Fink Family Revocable Trust and a lot. So I'm not sure how this developer, who I think is, I printed every ounce of every backup on every agenda item, just so you know. And so this is where I'm getting my information from. Dixie Hollywood Apartments LLC. seems to be getting the store with all kinds of incentives and whatever. The corner definitely could use some help. But I'm not sure giving away the store is the way to go. Because here again, the taxpayers are going to get shafted, in my opinion, only my opinion only. It says that there's 394 units on Dixie Highway, according to this document, with approximately 50% Workforce. Does that mean there might be a poor door? So that the 50%? I don't know what the other 50% is going to be. It was a little hard to determine. So I don't know how the developer is related. Do they have a contract to buy this property on top of whatever? It doesn't state that, or I couldn't find it. I'll put it that way. I'm not a lawyer. So I'm just saying, it seems to me, until they own the property, why are we giving away the store? Thank you.

40:20 – 40:38Speaker 32

Thank you. Michael Seltzer. We did have a robust presentation during the CRA meeting. If you'd like, Ann, you can watch the item in the CRA meeting, and you'll get a lot more detail. Michael.

40:38 – 42:05Speaker 22

Hi. Michael Seltzer, 956 Hollywood Boulevard. I just want to understand what percentage of the development will be workforce housing. I think it was just answered 50%. And out of that 50%, is it 40%, 60%, 80%, 100%, or 120% of AMI that these people are furnishing? because at 120% at AMI, we're giving them free money, because that's about market rate. So I believe that the 60%, 80%, and 100% of AMI and no more should be required, with the bulk going to the 60%. a little bit more to the 80 and less to the 100, because the city is contributing, I believe, over $6 million to this. Also, how much equity is the developer putting into this? His money, not his partner's money, not mezzanine loans, none of the above, hard equity. Because if he's not at least doubling what you're putting in or what we're putting in, why are we contributing $6 million? Thank you.

42:06Speaker 32

Thank you, Michael. Commissioner Hernandez.

42:10 – 42:33Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. There was some talk earlier today regarding the 100% development review fee waiver and 100% of the public art waiver. Where are we as a commission regarding the art waiver? Because we don't know if we're going to get the renderings and the murals that we were talking about. They say some sort of mural, it would be there. But where are we when it comes to that as a board? Go ahead.

42:33 – 44:35Speaker 50

Right. So there were a few questions that did come up during the CRA meeting that you all asked us to answer and address. And so I want to just quickly go through those, the public art being one of them. So thank you. The developer is committed to public art and will be doing a large mural along One of the elevations of the building will be working with staff on that. They are just really asking for this waiver because of their timeframes for development and going through the public art process. But they will be working with the same staff that manage that process through the design and site plan process. And that artwork will be part of that approval. They are also the renderings, the affiliated development who is here in the commission chambers today, their representatives. They are committed to the quality of development and the design that you saw in the renderings. They do a very nice job of their renderings. And what you saw is what you are going to get. They are very committed. They've already worked with staff on that. And the kind of finishes you noted, the sort of wood look of some of the entryway features, that is going to be a part of the design. They've costed the project in a way that they know that they can deliver what they've shown. And they do have a track record of having done that in other communities where they've developed, as well as in Hollywood, where they developed. So they are going to be Going through the design and site plan process and the renderings that you saw are what they are submitting for that process as well.

44:35Speaker 25

Including the mural that we're looking at?

44:36Speaker 50

Including the mural that you're looking at.

44:38Speaker 25

I'm good with that because the waiver makes it sound like it won't be happening. But if you have commitment from them, then I'm

44:44 – 45:37Speaker 50

They absolutely are committed to doing that, and it is part of their pro forma. Additionally, there was a question as to whether or not Hollywood residents and those who also work in Hollywood could be part of that first look program. And they have absolutely assured us that they are able to do that and that they will work with us a couple of months out before they start leasing up to the general public. They will make the city aware of the opportunity, and they will market all of the units to Hollywood Hollywood employees, Memorial Hospital employees, school board employees, as well as Hollywood residents and those individuals who work in Hollywood so that there really is a Hollywood preference for those workforce units.

45:37Speaker 25

If I remember correctly, they also mentioned something about veterans as well.

45:41 – 45:55Speaker 50

Yes. And thank you very much. Good catch. I should have said veterans. That is absolutely a part of that First Look program. And then finally, there was some question about whether or not there could be a kind of a first-time homebuyers program.

45:55Speaker 23

Incentive, go ahead.

45:56 – 47:05Speaker 50

Or incentive. They are absolutely committed to working with the city and our community development team. They will host workshops, making sure that their residents are aware of our first-time homebuyers program because of the way that their investment funds, which some of those investment funds are our pension funds, currently work. They're not able to commit to an incentive-type program, but they are 100% committed to helping provide that education for their residents to make sure that if they want to move into those programs that they can. It is important to note that at that workforce level, a lot of folks are really in a position to save. And so that does make it much better. And the ability to essentially be aware of the programs and be connected immediately with those programs is something that can make a difference. So they're happy to host those, not just for their residents, but also provide a location to host those for other residents in the area.

47:07Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. I've got some other commissioners here in the queue. Let's go to Commissioner Shuham.

47:12 – 48:06Speaker 47

Thank you, Mayor. Well, those were two of my issues. I'm fine including the art waiver, you know, with the commitment that we have here today that it matches the rendering. I agree with Commissioner Quintana's comment earlier. It's, you know, just a crucial visual to make that part of our city more beautiful. And then, of course, I'm happy to hear about the priority for local residents, so thank you for that. There was a question from a resident about poor doors. As you know, this has been a subject topic of discussion with respect to Live Local Act projects. This is not a Live Local Act project. So I would just want a confirmation from the developer that even though 50% of the project is not workforce housing, that there's nothing like that contemplated in this building. It looks like one gorgeous lobby for everybody that's going to live there. Is that correct? Come on up.

48:09Speaker 55

Good afternoon and hello again. Camisa Collin, Affiliate Development.

48:14 – 49:22Speaker 47

Everyone will be using the exact same lobby and same entrance. Thank you. And you can stay there in case I get this wrong. But for those that weren't in our CRA meeting, as I understand it, the building is now 50% market rate, 50% lower than market rate, with 25 of that 50% being 100% AMI or below. Correct. 25 being 120. Correct. That's 120% AMI or below. Or below. Okay, great. And the other thing I wanted to just point out for those that didn't listen to our CRA meeting, although between the CRA and the city it's a $6 million investment, we learned that we recouped that within the first, I think it was 10 to 15 years, correct? And then over the 30-year life projection, it was at least a conservative estimate of an $18 million return. Correct? Correct. Yeah. Okay. So I just, you know, we all heard it. I just want to make sure those listening. So I think it seems like a wonderful investment for our city. It's a gorgeous project and we're going to hold you to those renderings. Thank you. We will. We're very excited to partner with Affiliated. So thank you.

49:23Speaker 55

We're excited to be back here again. Thank you.

49:25Speaker 32

And let's also mention that there's about $4 million. $4 million. Do we get this as a re-addressed as a C?

49:31Speaker 50

Working very collaboratively, and we're fully expecting that we will be able to support the design and site plan.

49:40 – 50:22Speaker 34

To say I'm disappointed that we can't come up with a few thousand dollars to help people get into a home and closing costs is an understatement. I know I'm late to the game at it. And I'm confident that Ryan's team will work with you guys to try and come up with something that will benefit our residents and your tenants. Just a real quick question, since it was brought up. How much incentive does Florida Housing Finance put into a project like we're going to see later today, to get those rents down to 30%, 60%, 80% AMI.

50:23 – 50:45Speaker 50

So typically, when you're looking at federal tax credit funded projects, the 9% tax credits, the competitive tax credits, fund about 70% of your development costs. So when we are talking about those projects that are coming forward later today, they're looking at about $33 million in tax credit funding.

50:45Speaker 34

OK, so that answers my question. We're giving about 5% of the overall development cost. OK, thank you. Was there a motion yet?

50:54Speaker 32

Pat, do we have a motion on the floor? Motion to approve. Second. We have a motion from Commissioner Biederman, second from Vice Mayor Kaleri. Please go ahead, Vice Mayor.

51:03 – 51:20Speaker 49

Just to add, in addition to what has already been brought up as far as workforce housing, veterans, I can't stress enough how important it is for our seniors, even though they are Hollywood residents. Absolutely. They're the most vulnerable, so please make consideration as well for our seniors. Of course, absolutely. Thank you.

51:20 – 51:31Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. All those, well, city attorney, let's, I'm sorry. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item carries unanimously. Thank you.

51:31Speaker 39

Thank you, Board. Looking forward. Thank you.

51:34 – 54:17Speaker 32

All right. We still have about six minutes before 2 o'clock time certain items, so let's get through some items that could be and ought to be quick. Let me go through the regular agenda. Let's get to... Let's go item 43. This is for the Circuit Transit. Resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood approving and authorizing the city to renew the professional services contract and amend the contract with Circuit Transit Inc. for microtransit services in an estimated amount up to $1.49 million for the period July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027. And as mentioned before in the CRA portion of this, of course, we have worked with FDOT to receive grants to help support this service that we provide. Pat, are there any speaker cards on item 43? No speaker cards. No cards. I'll accept the motion. Motion to approve. Motion from Commissioner Shuham and a second from Commissioner Quintana to approve item 43. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously. Let's go ahead to item 44, resolution of the city commission approving and authorizing the city to execute a change order to increase the contract amount for citywide stormwater improvements construction services with southeastern engineering contractors from $1 million to $2.5 million. This is in order for us to have opportunity to invest further into our stormwater improvements in the city. Motion to approve. We have a motion from Commissioner, Vice Mayor Kaleri, second from Commissioner Shuham. Pat, are there any speaker cards on item 44? No. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously. Let's take a look. Let's keep going. Item 45, resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood approving and authorizing the city to execute an agreement with EnviroWaste Services Group Inc. for excavated point repair and manhole rehab for inflow and infiltration services in an amount up to $2.3 million and change over a two-year period based on the City of Boca Raton contracts Group A and B. Motion to approve. in accordance with our procurement code. Motion from Vice Mayor Kaleri, second from Commissioner Schuham to approve item 45. Are there any speaker cards? No cards. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously. Let's go ahead to item 46, a resolution of the city commission authorizing the city to execute applicable documents with Kemp Group International for school crossing guard services in an amount up to $1.7 million and change. over a two-year period based on the city of Miramar agreement for school crossing guard services in accordance with our procurement code. Is there any speaker cards on 46? No. Vice Mayor Kaleri.

54:19 – 55:17Speaker 49

Go ahead. So I just want to bring a little light to this. Even though the property tax discussion that's on board that's moving forward in the November voting area is ext out, I guess, education portion. This will not be a part of that. And that will create, if I'm not mistaken, a hit if it does pass. So I just want to put that on the record that everyone knows that this will be an additional cost that we will have to front. Not that I have anything wrong. Protecting our youth is so important. Crossing guards, cameras, everything that's in place. But the importance and education on our property tax and what will be a... to our budgets, this is in addition to that. So just please make note of that. A motion to approve. That's not until 2028. All right.

55:17Speaker 32

We have a motion and a second to approve item 46. No speaker cards. All those in favor say aye.

55:23Speaker 32

You have a card on 46? Pat?

55:30Speaker 32

Shaking her head no. Ann?

55:33Speaker 49

Just a lot of cards.

55:34Speaker 32

You want to come up? Go ahead.

55:37 – 55:57Speaker 57

Sorry. It's OK. I put like 25 cards in. We'll see you throughout the day. Yeah, you're going to see me all day. My question is, why is the school board not paying for school crossing guards? That's the first one. And does this include all schools in Hollywood for this contract? They're my only two questions. Thank you.

55:58Speaker 32

Raelynn, do you want to address some of that?

56:00Speaker 50

I will ask Public Safety Director Chris O'Brien to come up and provide some context.

56:06 – 56:24Speaker 32

Meantime, a World Cup update. Argentina was down 2-0 to Egypt. And with 90 minutes plus two minutes of extra time, Argentina completed a comeback, 3-2, Argentina. Always got to cheer for our boy, Messi. Miami's very own Messi. Go ahead, Chris.

56:24 – 57:01Speaker 29

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners. Chris O'Brien, Director of Public Safety. So it is a very good question. Those are conversations we will have with the school board. Historically, they have not funded the costs associated with the school crossing guards. They've been in place for as long as I've been here. They do have some recommended sites throughout the city that are dangerous locations. We will be reevaluating those. We also will be looking at the use of the sites assigned where these school crossing guards are and see if there's some adjustments that can be made there. A portion of the costs are funded through our speed camera program and our parking citations. It offsets it somewhat. But at the end of the day, we are responsible for the price of these school crossing guards.

57:02 – 58:06Speaker 32

All right. Thank you so much, Chris. Pat, did you record a vote yet on that? On item 46, school crossing guard services, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously. All right. So it is 2 o'clock, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go ahead then to the 2 o'clock time certain items. Back to page nine. All right. First ordinance of three for 2 o'clock time certain items is in order to the city of Hollywood amending the city's existing comprehensive plan to establish the Hollywood Beach Hotel density bonus program to provide clarifications to the hotel room. pool program and associated hotel room densities within the land use element and the coastal element as more specifically described in the package. This of course is an ordinance on first reading by the Department of Development Services that goes to our strategic plan focus area of economic vitality. Same will be said for the next two ordinances. And presenting will be Andrea Winget.

58:07 – 1:05:44Speaker 56

Good afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, city commissioners, Andrea Winget, director of development services. As you mentioned, we're here today to talk about an update on what's been going on, as we all know, on the beach study. There are three items on your agenda today. And so while we're specifically here on item number 29, and that is the item that was read into the record right now that you will be considering, I felt it was important to give you background holistically on each of the items. And then we can open those later on, and you can have your deliberations and your votes on those if that is your pleasure. So item 29, the item at hand, is the beach hotel density bonus program and is the establishment of that within our comprehensive plan. Item 30 is the establishment of a transfer of development right programs in the comprehensive plan. And item 31 is amendments to the flexibility unit provisions within the city's comprehensive plan. You know, discussion on what development should look like on the mainland barrier island or the beach area has been going on. And the city has been contemplating that for really some time, for a long time. You see the slide on the bottom right. This is a slide that we have all looked at and we've all seen previously as staff has given updates on the beach study. Back in 2019, the commission had a workshop and specifically had asked staff to look at this area and see what more could be done. After that time, we know there was COVID. We know that we were rebuilding our planning division. And so that kind of fast forwards us to 2025. when we looked at the beach economic feasibility study and in March of 26 we provided an update to the Commission on what that study was initially showing and I'm here today before you because at that time in March this Commission directed staff to go forward and to look at this area and come up with some unique carved out zoning parameters that can assist with unlocking development potential in a responsible manner. And so there are lots of moving parts in order to achieve that directive that the commission gave us. And one of those, and the very first step on that, is to look at the city's comprehensive plan and to bring forward comprehensive plan amendments that will are policy documents that will support the commission's initiative, which will come before you later, which would be the specific zoning regulations for that. So again, today, we are here solely to talk about comprehensive planning and comprehensive plan text amendments. I'm going to walk you through some of that. And Cameron Palmer, the chief planner, will also be diving into a little bit more detail on the comprehensive plan amendments and the reasoning that they are needed. So this is also a slide that we have shown before on the process for looking at the mainland barrier island and what can be done within here and how do we evaluate that as a city. Today we are at step two. We were directed by the commission to look at practical, logically guided strategies to unlock redevelopment potential on the beach that we know has really kind of been pinned up, for lack of better terms, over the course of several decades on a large portion of the beach, especially when we're looking specifically at hotels and hotel-type uses. There are lots of redevelopment pressure that the city has been experiencing. We know that the state has implemented different programs, such as Live Local. And those are putting additional pressures on all parts of the city. and also including the beach. And so what this commission has directed staff to do is to come up with a plan that will allow us to be proactive with planning our future in a reasonable, logical, responsible manner. And that's what we're here to do today as the first step of these comprehensive plan amendments. After we provided the update to you back in March, we continued to do public engagement. We had our survey that was done. We provided two public engagement events. And the intent of these events was really to continue the conversation, to gain feedback for what the community is looking for and what their aspirations and their future vision of the area would be, and to balance that with the policy direction that the commission has provided us as well. So we're really here to have a balanced approach to the project. We want to be thoughtfully guiding development and not be responding to projects one by one. CERTAINTY IN PROCESSES AND FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT THE DESIRED OUTCOME OF THIS AREA AND THE VISION FOR THAT WOULD BE. AND THAT WAS WHY YOU ASKED US TO CREATE A SPECIFIC WHAT WE ARE REFERRING TO BONUS OVERLAY AREA ON THE MAINLAND BEACH. It's important to keep in mind that as we continue this conversation today and in the future, all of this bonus framework that we are talking about is not intended to be development by right. It's optional. It's voluntary. The base zoning and base land use requirements will remain. And this is something above and beyond. If one would want to take advantage of it in order to incentivize their property and redevelopment in a manner that's consistent with the vision that you have asked us to bring forward, they can do so if they follow the rules that will be put in place. And again, today, this is the first step in looking AT THE PROCESS AND BRINGING FORWARD THE DIRECTIVE THAT YOU GAVE US. THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ARE BROAD POLICY REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN WE WILL BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THE SPECIFIC ZONING REGULATIONS THAT WILL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL, THE MORE DETAIL THAT I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNCOMFORTABLE SPOT BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S THE ZONING GOING TO SAY AND WHAT'S THIS AND HOW IS THAT? And today, we're just here to set up that broad framework, and then we will be coming back to you with those specific details. And with that, I will turn it over to Cameron.

1:05:47 – 1:18:23Speaker 10

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and city commissioners. My name is Cameron Palmer. So I want to talk to you all. I'll be here for a bit talking to you about starting with the planning framework, and then we'll dive into the different levels of the tax amendment. As Andrew stated, today's request is not about just adding development capacity. It's about being intentional in creating a structure for exchange. Additional development capacity may be considered when tied to a public benefit. And the comprehensive plan language in front of you today is intended to create the policy framework by which the city can later define the future parameters of the individual program, bonusing programs. So on the screen, we have the overarching planning framework as it exists today, starting on the high level with the county comprehensive plan, Then moving down to the city comprehensive plan, where you'll notice that there are certain elements such as transfer development rights and flexibility units that are repeated in both categories. That's because the fundamentals for each either already live in the plan or are already authorized by those plans. Then we go a step further down, and we see the zoning and land development regulations, where the base zoning lives. And that's the zoning code that we love and adore. And then we have within the zoning land development regulations the overlay district, which will be to come in the future. package will have the standards for the bonuses, the standards for the density increases, flex unit allocation, transfer development rights. And then further, one step further, but also very important, is the beach overlay design guidelines, which will articulate massing, public realm, and the way architectural features should appear. Now, oftentimes, it's hard to grasp the planning framework, how it operates. So I kind of want to use an analogy to help us all come along this journey with me. And I think the best analogy to use is the human body. So we have, at the DNA level, the comprehensive plan, which sets out the parameters by what can and cannot happen. That's at the bottom. Now you step up one level to the skeleton of the body. That provides structure and frame for what the body will be able to hold. One level up, you have your muscles, which is the zoning code and the beach overlay. That provides the force, the function, and the movement of the intention. And the last layer, often the most topical, is the skin. And that shows how a building, that shows how the city presents itself, the experience that we touch, we feel, and we know and love. Where do the peptides fit into all this? That's in my backup slides. But if we think about it in this regard, a lot of us are very interested in the muscles, how it looks, the shape it takes, what it can do, how hard it can punch. But really today we're talking about the skeleton, which is the frame, the structure, and what those things will eventually sit upon. So you may not have all the definition that the muscles will have, but you will have the core concepts that we will then build upon. So having said that, I do want to take a moment and touch on the development bonus program, because that is essentially where these frameworks are going. With regards to the development bonus program that's going to live in the zoning code, the next couple of slides I'm going to go over the bonus incentives, the frameworks by which are being put in the comprehensive plan today or proposed, and a little clip of what the zoning element will do to give us a little bit of a teaser of what's to come. But as it pertains to the comprehensive plan amendment, on the screen you'll see that's The zoning has been grayed out, and what remains is the beach hotel room bonus program, the transfer development rights program, and the flex unit allocation program. These are the three fundamental comprehensive plan amendments that are coming before you today that are going to drive the bonuses in the future iterations of this project. starting with item 29 on your agenda, which is the beach hotel density bonus. And this is a program that is intended to allow the city to better manage and allocate hotel room density. The purpose is to support coastal resort development and long-term economic activity on the beach. And it is not simply to provide more hotel rooms to developments, but it's rather to direct density for projects that have meaningful public benefits so that the city can use hotel bonuses as an exchange for public benefit, whether it's public parking, publicly accessible open space, or something of the rather. It applies to lands within the general business land use designation in the comprehensive plan, future land use map. And on the left side of your screen, you're going to see a box. This box is going to follow us for the next little bit of the presentation. And this is our zoning tie-in. This is our tie-in to the muscles of the eventual program, where at the zoning stage, we're going to establish the bonus requirements. And I'm going to go through them in this case, but we'll keep it moving a little bit faster as we move forward. But each bonus will be tied to the baseline requirements that will live in the zoning code. And these baseline requirements include compliance with the overlay design guidelines. Compliance with applicable site assembly requirements. How big is your site? How small does it have to be to achieve certain bonuses? Compliance with the block structure. What should the block look like to achieve certain bonuses? Transitional amassing standards, city discretionary approval, and resilience funds contribution, if applicable. These ensure that the bonuses that we're speaking about today, the frameworks we're speaking about today, are earned and not automatic. And I think that's one of the key fundamental pillars that this effort sits on. So this particular request, item 29, beach hotel bonus, is going to be especially important for properties that are otherwise limited by the existing zoning hotel density. And as a reminder, hotel density is something that the city imposes on itself. It's not a county mandated density. And this is just a clip of the backup that's attached as it pertains to this text amendment. Then we have item 30, which is transfer of development rights. This program is the new program that's being proposed to be established. And it allows the city to shift development potential from one area that may not be as appropriate for development, where we want to encourage preservation, resiliency, or manage the scale of development, and shifts it to areas that the city has determined is more suitable for development. This tool is already authorized in the county comprehensive plan, so this effort is the city bringing ourselves into that world where we're allowed to use all the tools that are given to us. It's important to note that the future overlay will establish the sending and receiving areas. It will establish the criteria by what can be sent. It will also establish the the metrics by how much can be sent. And of course, we have our friendly box number one that reappears that shows that this bonus will be tied to a zoning implementation requirement, which outlines all the requirements that I read before that would be required to be achieved prior to activating this bonus, in addition to supplemental requirements that the zoning code may put in addition to those. This tool is especially important for properties otherwise limited by existing residential land use density in the city's comprehensive plan. And again, the exhibit just as a screenshot for you. And lastly, we have the flexibility units, which is item 31 on the agenda today. And as you may have already heard, flexibility units are a tool that we already have in our comprehensive plan, and we've already used it in the past. What we're trying to do here is add provisions to allow different flex unit implementations within the beach area, and it applies only to lands within the general business land use designation in keeping with the county comprehensive plan. What this does for the city, it gives us the opportunity to redefine how we use flex units and use it as a bonus leveraging tool whereby we could receive public benefit, not only the items in our, again, our friendly box number one, but also additional items such as publicly accessible open space or publicly accessible parking, which, again, will be delineated in the zoning code. This applies to lands within a general business designation. And this may be or will be useful to properties that are otherwise limited by the zoning and land use that do not have opportunities for residential development today. The intent is not to go against the county plan as it becomes residential uses, but to use our existing ability to use flex and all those existing rules, but use it in a manner that allows us to incentivize and leverage it for the bonus requirements that we want to receive in return. And that is the exhibit attached for your reference. All right, so we spent a lot of time diving a little bit into zoning, talking about how the programs are going to be implemented through the zoning. I want to bring us back up to the skeleton level of the comprehensive plan. And the core question is, what is a comp plan amendment or comprehensive plan amendment? And at this stage, it's an exercise simply to establish a high-level policy direction, allowing and authorizing the zoning framework to set out the further details and parameters of the bonus program. And I want to provide a little bit more information on what this does and what it doesn't do. So a comprehensive plan text amendment, it sets policy framework, it directs the zoning code, it allows the city to work with the existing flex and transfer development rights this county provides us, and it gives the city the framework that the zoning code will rely on in the future. Now, what it doesn't do, and I think this is rather important because this is the key that will probably bring a lot more shed light on this request. It does not establish sending and receiving areas. It does not assign flex units. It does not assign hotel bonuses. In of itself, it cannot operate as a bonus. And without the zoning code, it cannot function. So just like the body analogy again, it is one piece of a greater system to bring about movement and change. But why is it needed right now? Because this is typically an item that comes before city commission with a map amendment and a zone and code amendment, we may package them together. But in this case, it's not site specific. It applies to a larger geographic area. And because of that, this request would then be transmitted to the state for review. Because it has to be transmitted to the state for review, it is best practice for it to travel separate and apart from the zoning to allow the state to provide comments and outside agencies to provide comments that could then be factored into our next steps as we make the zoning overlay what it needs to be. So just on the screen, a high-level summary of the three items that are before you, the modifications to the hotel room program and the establishing of the hotel beach density bonus program. That's a mouthful. Item 30, which is establishing transfer development rights. And item 31, which is modifying existing provisions as it pertains to flexibility units. You may notice that we have a coastal element that's also included in the package. That is simply aligning the text in the coastal element with the text that's in item 29. These are mirroring the same amendment to ensure that there's consistency across the plan and no broken references. With regards to the task that Andrew spoke about earlier, that Commission tasked the staff with, was to understand the goal of unlocking economic and public benefit on the beach. This task is one that, while has one vision, is multifaceted and very layered. And today's requests will work together with the future requests for the zoning and the future requests for the urban design guidelines. All three elements come together to produce the end result that the goal set out for us to determine and to find. So as I'm about to leave you, because I'm sure you're all very, very, very well versed now in these amendments, we have two processes moving forward simultaneously. On the left side of your screen in green, it's the item that's before us moving that we are asking permission to transmit to the state. It is a text amendment, the three of them, to move forward onward to state review. And then once the state review is complete, they will return to the city commission for final adoption and then move onward to the county for recertification. Separate and apart from this process, on the right, in the gray, is the beach overlay zoning district that is under development and the overlay guidelines. These are currently under development with staff and are undergoing refinements currently and will be making their way to the Planning and Development Board, which is a local planning agency, in August and then onward back to the City Commission for first and second reading once that is complete. So stay tuned. Lastly, and here we are at the end, staff and the local planning agency, the Planning and Development Board, has recommended approval for the three comprehensive plan text amendments and for permission to transmit those same to the state for the mandatory review period. Approval of item 29, approval of item 30, and approval of item 31 is staff recommendation. Thank you.

1:18:23 – 1:18:57Speaker 32

Thank you, Cameron. I appreciate it. Thanks for going through all of that. But we do have three ordinances, and I'd like to, for purposes of just getting through them, because they are ordinances, we'll take up any comment or question specifically to them, and we'll call each one individually. Right now, we have item 29 on the floor. Pat, are there any speaker cards on item 29? I'll go ahead and open the public hearing. And this specifically, again, is the hotel density bonus program. I've got three speakers, Anne Ralston, Michael Seltzer, and Keith Polyakov. Anne Ralston, come on up.

1:19:04 – 1:22:13Speaker 57

I'd like to give you the timeline of this. April 29th and 30th, two meetings, one out west in Garfield at the Boulevard Heights, one at Garfield on the beach. I'm not quite sure how it was advertised. There are plenty of us old folks that don't get newspapers anymore, not on any social media. And don't look at your Hollywood site 24-7. Then June 29, in the middle of summer, when you had to wait almost 25 minutes for a quorum for the Planning and Zoning Board to pass this at 3-2, why it's rushed. I'll never know for this. comprehensive, broad overview of framework that you don't know what you're going to get. So I'm going to go give a builder a million dollars and say, here, just go build me a house. But I don't know what I'm going to get with that million dollars. So I'm just saying, this is the cart before the horse. This is getting rushed through on all the items. If you're going to do presentations, do a presentation for 29, which is just the density program. Don't combine them all. And I do believe that it was 3-2. There's a nine-member board. What would have happened had all nine members been there when they didn't hold a joint meeting? And it was really quick. The board's going to change come November. I wonder if that's why this is being rushed through. No matter what happens, this is going to change what the beach looks like forever. And you're not trusted to do the right thing at this point. I not trust one word out of the mouth of the development team that sits here and puts this stuff through. What I see up there in this presentation is not one thing that I printed out for my backup to come in here and talk intelligently about this. Now, if you're going to give me the information, please give me the correct information that I spent all day printing out, reading through to make sure I had my facts straight. I found three things that were in this backup. This little thing right there that was in that little presentation. Well, there's too many papers to go through. And I went through all of them. And there was one other little thing that was in there. So if you're going to do this, please give the public the right. Also, you hold meetings during the day. Where are most people? I'm retired. I can be here every day. being a thorn in your side. Most people that care about this are at work. That's not fair to them, and it's not fair to the public that you hold these meetings and do it quickly, and you're doing this on a Tuesday. Why did you change from Wednesday? Most people didn't know until I pulled that agenda on Sunday. I didn't know it was Tuesday. Where is that advertised? That keeps people out of here, too, that may have wanted to talk on these issues. And if you let Keith go on beyond the three minutes that he's advertised, then I get some more time.

1:22:13Speaker 32

Michael Seltzer.

1:22:29 – 1:25:40Speaker 22

I have a handout. No, you can't do that. I would like everybody to read what this young lady is handing out. I'm not the brightest tack in the world. And I do favor development. And I am a graduate of McGill University. And I find this terribly disappointing. And as I look at most of you as these two folks were describing what is being presented here, I see questions in most people's eyes that they don't even understand what's happening. So I attended the P&D meeting and the historic meeting. And I'm going to read what you're all looking at. I have to tell you, I found the meeting with the P&D in this. This was addressed to Andrea Winget. I have to tell you that I found the meeting with the P&D in the historic society very disappointing and disturbing. First, it was delayed until we had a quorum about a half an hour later. And then one of the people on the dais said he had to leave by 5.30. For such an apparent important meeting, you only had about an hour to explain, that's her, what she wanted to accomplish. Additionally, some bias members learned about last minute changes to the documents or items that were up for vote, and they did not understand the changes. Moreover, I believe the group had either no idea or very little idea of what they were voting on. Andrea tried to explain the topic. And then she had a former city employee on a Zoom try to explain the topic. And he didn't do any better of a job than she did. Then Andrea said that the commissioners had asked that a vote be presented to the group, and it couldn't wait. They needed to vote now. Please point out the commission meeting where the commissioners and the mayor asked for the vote to be presented to the P&D board, as well as the historic society, for such a quick vote. I can't find it anywhere. I found the meeting troubling. Most attendees did not understand what they were voting on, and the majority felt distressed about casting their vote in any case. A terrible look for the city. Andrea answered my email, and she said, Thank you for reaching out and sharing your thoughts. Scheduling meetings with multiple participants can be quite challenging, and especially when a quorum is lost and regained, as happened just before the meeting. Staff did their best to work with the constraints, knowing the board would have an hour and a half to address the agenda. Our intention was for the board to proceed in order outlined on the agenda, but sometimes unexpected circumstances arise and we have to adapt as we can. Thank you, Michael.

1:25:42Speaker 32

Thank you. We got the point.

1:25:45Speaker 22

Well, maybe the people. Thank you. Thank you. Your time is up. That's the point.

1:25:47Speaker 32

Thank you. Keith Polyakov, your card says questions only.

1:25:59 – 1:26:56Speaker 26

Michael, is this yours? Hi, Mayor. I'll be brief. I wasn't going to speak, but since Anne gave me three minutes, I might as well use it. Just real quickly, kudos to the commission for putting this tool in your toolbox. All that is is going to be a tool for the future to figure out how to deal with sea level rise and redevelopment of the quadrants of the beach that you all think is ripe for redevelopment at a height in the density determined by the city commission directly. Had this tool been in the box, several of my clients, including one that's currently in litigation, would have never had to be in litigation with the city because it would have had an available option other than seeking to utilize Live Local. So as a result, all of my clients support this. We're here to answer any questions, and I'm happy to give the extra two minutes back to Ann for a comment.

1:26:57 – 1:27:28Speaker 32

Thank you. All right, that concludes comments. Again, we're on item 29. This is for the Hollywood Beach Hotel Density Bonus Program, which really just essentially allows applicants to come to the City Commission pursuant to future zoning regulations that will come through and apply to have a density for hotels that's just higher than the current code. I think that sums it up. Cameron, is that correct? And so, again, it's an opportunity for us to see things. So let's go ahead to comments by the City Commission. Let's go to Commissioner Shuham, then Biederman.

1:27:29 – 1:28:00Speaker 47

Thank you, Mayor. Cameron, I want to start with a couple questions I have at the 10,000-foot level. I know that we're on Agenda Item 29, but with respect to the meeting itself, it was a joint meeting of the Historic Preservation Board and the P&D Board, which I understand the the local development board agency has to vote. Can you explain to us how that meeting satisfied that requirement?

1:28:04Speaker 56

Andrea Winget, that meeting satisfied the requirement because we had a quorum of the local planning agency

1:28:11Speaker 55

Can you hear me? Sorry.

1:28:13 – 1:28:25Speaker 56

That meeting satisfied the requirement of the local planning agency had a quorum, and the local planning agency took an independent vote, and it therefore satisfied the requirements.

1:28:25 – 1:28:40Speaker 47

Thank you. And I think we all received an email from Bob Glickman. His concern was that the notice of the meeting was a notice of a joint meeting, that there was not the statutorily required notice for the local planning board.

1:28:42 – 1:28:53Speaker 56

Staff does not notice with the words local planning board in there. The notice included the planning and development board, and so therefore it satisfied the requirements. Okay.

1:28:53 – 1:29:23Speaker 47

And Damaris, I just want your opinion on this because we all received the same letter from a member of the P&D board. Is it your opinion that the statutory notice requirements are satisfied? It is my opinion. Okay. Thank you. And then these are just general questions. One thing Cameron mentioned was general business zoning or general business use areas. Can you specify where those are?

1:29:24 – 1:29:42Speaker 56

So the general business land use is what the city refers to it. The county calls it commerce. The majority of the general business area is on what we know as Central Beach, which is between Sheridan Street and roughly Hollywood Boulevard. There might be a piece or two as we go further south.

1:29:42 – 1:29:55Speaker 47

So when we are looking at these comprehensive plan amendments, they are not tied to that general business land use, are they?

1:29:56Speaker 56

The item that you are considering right now, item number 29, is within the general business land use.

1:30:04Speaker 47

OK. And then what about 30 and 31?

1:30:06 – 1:30:17Speaker 56

Item 30 is not. It would be its own independent. And item 31 the flexibility units that is also within the general business area only great.

1:30:17 – 1:32:45Speaker 47

Thank you And then again still up here as I understand and we've had a lot of conversations about this the overall intent is to loosen up what we had in our current comprehensive plan, but to stay within the constraints that the county has imposed on cities within Broward County. Is that correct? That is correct. So nothing that would be approved here today would allow the city or any developer to exceed what is allowed by Broward County. That is correct. And one thing that that Cameron said is we are trying to find a way to unlock the potential, and it really sounds like more central beach, in a responsible way. And I think that's a really great way to word it because as we know from those two public meetings and also from the many more public comments, the residents of this city are very much wedded to a low profile beach. And while I think all of us agree that we want to loosen that up a little bit, I think that we are here to represent our residents, and we have to respect what those residents want. So while I understand that these tools are needed to proceed to a bonus overlay program, I am concerned, and I've expressed this to all of you, my concern is that there will be efforts to maximize everything everywhere. And that is not what our residents want. So I'm asking generally, Andrea, what assurances can you give the residents of this city who are here because they love the beach that we have and the distinction between us and neighboring cities with very tall buildings up and down their beach? How can you assure them that the action taken today is not going to yield just the opposite of what they love about Hollywood Beach?

1:32:46 – 1:33:12Speaker 56

The action that you're taking to say is very large, broad policy. Should the commission not adopt the zoning that goes behind this, then this policy sits in the comprehensive plan and doesn't have the underlying guidance in order to achieve it. So the commission will be specifically, hopefully, setting those specific requirements in the future.

1:33:14Speaker 47

Go ahead, Cameron.

1:33:17 – 1:34:09Speaker 10

One thing to add, as I went through the bonus structures, you saw that friendly box on the corner that said zoning requirements. And in that box, we outlined things such as compliance with the design guidelines, compliance with massing and shadowing impacts. compliance with block structure. So when we bring the zoning forward, there are many different elements to the zoning overlay that's not just a swath on a map. It actually breaks down into many different categories that requires specific massing, specific shadow implications, specific block structure, which would avoid just monoliths. So I think those concerns are definitely addressed, and you'll see them as they come forward. But today, you're seeing them in that zoning box that says, even though these frameworks are being established today, they're all tied to this zoning implementation, which means at the base, they all have to provide at the very minimum, in addition to whatever additional requirements we stack on top.

1:34:09 – 1:34:46Speaker 47

OK, so you can stay there, because that leads to my next question, which is we're going to have these bonus overlays with all sorts of swaps. The developer gives us x, we give him y. And yet, I keep seeing that it's up to our discretion. It's up to our discretion. So a concern I have is, let's say a developer comes in, he offers all sorts of great things, and we give him all these extras as part of the bonus overlay. And then the second developer comes in, and he gives us the exact same thing. Can we say no?

1:34:48 – 1:35:37Speaker 10

So it's important to note that the reason we were proposing discretionary in the zoning code, and when we get to that stage, is to allow the commission the ability to identify the needs that are appropriate at the time. So yes, there will be a bonus framework. But the intent is to allow leverage for the city commission to choose and articulate what specific needs are. So to your specific question, will they be able to provide the exact same thing, I can't provide you an answer. But what I can tell you is that The framework is the base, and the discretionary tools that are going to be baked into the framework at that time allows for additional leverage, is the correct word, for the city to achieve the end result. And through our community engagement events, the major end result we've heard was design. And the whole bonus framework is built off of strong design.

1:35:38 – 1:36:33Speaker 47

OK, so I would like, Damaris, between now and whenever we move forward, I would like an understanding of the strength of the word discretionary, because I'm concerned that the second developer in my scenario would have the right to potentially force the city to act in scenario B the exact same way we acted in scenario A, therefore undermining the actual discretion that we have. So I just want to have an opinion that discretionary really means discretionary. Okay. The other concern that I have, and Cameron, please don't sit down because this just keeps going. We're talking, I know we're talking about the comprehensive plan today, but we're doing this because we're trying to get to that zoning bonus.

1:36:33Speaker 32

Yeah, but just caution to not talk about zoning when we're, it's not even before. I understand. We haven't seen what staff is even recommending.

1:36:41 – 1:37:50Speaker 47

So my question is this. In all of the presentations that we've seen, even though you have verbally said that this is not a comprehensive rezoning for the beach, when we look at the renderings that staff has provided, it looks like a comprehensive rezoning of the beach. And I want to better understand or have you commit that that's not the case. That's number one. And number two, that I want to understand from east to west the disincentive And you can bring this forward later. You don't have to answer this now. But these are two things that I find very important that we need to understand before we move forward with a bonus overlay. And that is I want to understand the disincentive to assemble parcels that go completely east to west from the broadwalk to A1A. because that is how you get these mass buildings that none of us want. Go ahead.

1:37:50Speaker 56

Thank you for the feedback. We will keep that in mind as we move forward to analyze the zoning regulations.

1:37:55 – 1:38:51Speaker 47

And similarly, that we are not creating a scenario where every single parcel on the beach is now going to be subject to these bonuses. I want to understand the uniqueness, and if we have to go block by block, let's go block by block, the uniqueness of each situation so that what we see in the rendering right now, which is, and it's beautiful, Nicole, but it's scary, and it's not what our residents want. We even talk about retaining our current charm, but yet the rendering is like va-voom, okay? So those are two concerns I have. And then the other thing, you have this resiliency fund in the box. Does that mean that a developer, in lieu of all these other requirements that we have for these bonus overlays, can simply pay into a fund?

1:38:59Speaker 10

Without getting into the weeds of the zoning, the resiliency fund contribution would be based on a square footage per floor in addition to, not in lieu of.

1:39:08 – 1:39:52Speaker 47

Perfect. Thank you. Okay. And the last thing I'll talk about in the general realm is that, that I would ask for, is that before we move forward with voting on any sort of bonus plan, that you provide to us some sort of a simulation, not a still rendering, but an actual simulation. What does this look like? What is this going to look like? What do the shadows look like? What is it going to feel like for a resident who's lived here their whole life now to walk down these streets? And I know that that's a tool that's available. And I think it's going to be very important for this commission to understand what it is going to look like.

1:39:57Speaker 56

We will work to see if that is something we could do and if that's within our budget for the project, if it does cost anything additional, we'll work with the city manager's office.

1:40:06 – 1:40:47Speaker 47

Thank you. With that, I'll say generally, I don't take exception to these ideas and these changes. And I say that with the understanding that there is going to be good faith. as we've discussed, that the zoning bonus overlays are going to be respectful of the concerns of our residents. And you have them. We've listed them. And I just, you know, again, I want to get your commitment, Andrea, that what our residents have asked for is going to be a critical part and critically important in the design that you bring forward.

1:40:50 – 1:41:24Speaker 56

We will be evaluating as part of our outreach what all of the residents and the stakeholders have information they have provided to us. And as professional planners, our role is to listen to the community, all of the various stakeholders, whether it's a resident, whether it's a developer, whether it's somebody who comes and visits the city who happened to stumble in. And we balance that against the policy directive that the commission has given us, and we will be bringing forward our best professional recommendation for the commission to determine and take action on.

1:41:25Speaker 47

And will there be additional public outreach meetings?

1:41:28Speaker 56

There are no new public outreach meetings scheduled, but we are always available if somebody would like to come in and meet with us or go through any of the concepts to see where we're at.

1:41:39Speaker 47

But before it comes back to us, the zoning level, before it comes back to us, will there be additional public outreach?

1:41:46Speaker 56

The Planning and Development Board is intended for people to be able to come and provide comment and feedback there as well.

1:41:52 – 1:42:49Speaker 47

So with respect to the hotel density, now let's get to 29. The only concern that I have, which we've discussed, is the E on page 5, 4E, which talks about A, B, C, they all talk about coastal high hazard areas. And then you jump to D, which talks about notwithstanding A through D, the commission may approve hotel densities in excess of the limits otherwise established by the comprehensive plan. As we discussed, it seems reckless and irresponsible that we would ever add any density to coastal high hazard areas. And I just want to, again, get on the record here that that is something that your team will take into account as you move forward with these overlays. We will definitely look into that.

1:42:49Speaker 32

This is hotel, by the way.

1:42:51 – 1:43:04Speaker 47

I understand that. But even so, I mean, most of the barrier, 99% of Barry Island is not CHHA. So for those areas that are even hotels, I do not think this is appropriate.

1:43:05Speaker 56

We will evaluate that as part of our zoning recommendation. Thank you.

1:43:09Speaker 47

That's all I have for 29. All right.

1:43:12Speaker 32

Thank you. Let's go to Commissioner Biederman. Hopefully we'll get a motion.

1:43:15 – 1:43:57Speaker 34

Thank you, Mayor. So I have a, first of all, Commissioner Schuham, when you speak for us or our, don't speak for my residents. The last time I checked, I was elected by the residents in District 5 to speak for them. And I think it's very disrespectful to those residents to say that they feel this way or they feel that way. That being said, The items that we are addressing today are not specific to any particular property investor. It's the property itself, right?

1:43:57 – 1:44:10Speaker 56

That is correct. You may recall Commissioner Cameron had a slide where he talked about what this is not doing. And so this is not assigning any site-specific regulation.

1:44:11 – 1:44:28Speaker 34

Thank you. Can we look at slide four? So you started in 1994. Do we know what the baseline was in 1970?

1:44:29Speaker 56

I do not have that information with me.

1:44:30Speaker 34

Can we find that before we?

1:44:33Speaker 56

I could see if it's something I could easily access.

1:44:36 – 1:44:49Speaker 34

Okay, thank you. And this all started at this body with Leslie, right? Is this where we started when we saw the? heights and all that, and we're going to taper up and taper down and all that? Yes, yes.

1:44:50 – 1:45:02Speaker 56

And it actually kind of started before then in the early 2000s when staff did bring forward one recommendation of doing that similar tapering, and the commission chose to do otherwise at that time.

1:45:04 – 1:45:36Speaker 34

OK. So when you say discretionary, The way I understand it is that it's basically like a predefined variance framework that allows this body to give more density or give more height or give things like that on a case-by-case basis. So what's the difference between this discretionary framework that we're doing today and variance that's already in the code?

1:45:37 – 1:46:16Speaker 56

So when you apply for a variance, there's very specific criteria that one has to show that they can meet in order to vary from the regulation they're asking for. Density and FAR is not something that you are able to vary. There's no variance to that. And so what this does is it keeps all of the base zoning intact and provides the opportunity through this new bonus area that if somebody wants to go above and beyond what is permitted, that they can do so if they meet these other requirements.

1:46:17 – 1:46:52Speaker 34

Thank you. And I think that to address the consolidation of property, Isn't that something that was talked about also? I think Commissioner Blattner kept bringing up that we have to have zoning in place that will allow consolidation of property in order to have that redevelopment. Because I remember, I think one of the famous words that Mayor Bober kept using over and over again is we've got to figure out how to get rid of the dreck and bring vibrancy back to the beach. That being said, I'll make a motion to approve.

1:46:53 – 1:47:06Speaker 32

All right, we have a motion to approve item 29 for the Hotel Density Bonus Program. We have a second from Vice Mayor Kaleri. Let's go ahead and go ahead, Vice Mayor Kaleri, with comments, and then we'll read the ordinance to the vote.

1:47:06 – 1:50:19Speaker 49

First, I just want to thank staff for all of the questions that we all have had and that we've sat with you. I understand bringing some of the questions to the forefront for transparency and to answer questions for certain individuals. But a lot of the questions that we've been asked today from my colleagues all could have been addressed prior. And so it's concerning because we kind of are in a gridlock. We have to grow. We have to progress. We have to be creative. But using certain terms really kind of twists things and changes the narrative. And I think that this is really, really important. And I think we need to be unified on the thought process of our city is changing. We are growing. We need to be smart with development. And we need to move the city forward in a very smart, thinking, progressive, visionary way. And this is exactly what this provides. I was very hesitant when I first saw some of the designs because it does change what Long-term residents in the city of Hollywood, including myself of over 40 years, have experienced in what we think is our hometown and what we appreciate and we value. But with that being said, we have a lot of demands that we constantly are hearing about. We have the condo renovations that the assessment fees are excruciating and pushing people out. We have a lot of different, so this is a very thoughtful process. I think it's a smart, thoughtful process, and this will help advance the city of Hollywood, especially in our beach area, in a positive yet thoughtful way. I do have the one concern where how do you approve one project and another project coming in a block or two wants the same exact type of replicated therapy. project. That is a concern. And I think that that is something that we're bringing back to you all so that you can take that in consideration so that it's not a cookie cutter type of development along the beach or, well, Peter has it, so I want it. Those are really, not Peter, I'm sorry, John. But I think that those are really important positive feedback. So thank you to my colleagues for bringing that up. But we have to move forward. And I think we have to be unified with this. So that's why I seconded the motion. I think this will have a lot of input. It is, again, always available for the public to have input. As Andrea said, she's readily available to speak to individuals to meet their challenges, whether you're retired or you're working. We get emails all the time. And we get those emails addressed. And that is transparency. And that's what makes us different. enables us to make these hard decisions and to be able to see a vision of the future. So thank you and continue the good work and just keep that community.

1:50:20Speaker 32

City Attorney, let's read the ordinance and call the roll call vote.

1:50:22 – 1:50:52Speaker 8

An ordinance of the city of Hollywood, Florida amending the city's existing comprehensive plan to establish the Hollywood Beach Hotel density bonus program and to provide clarifications to the hotel room pool program and associated hotel room densities within the land use element and the coastal element as more specifically set forth in Exhibit A, providing for transmittal to the Florida Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies, providing for severability and providing for an effective date.

1:50:53Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman.

1:50:55 – 1:51:08Speaker 34

Real quick. Sorry. Point of privilege. Let's be clear that Hollywood Beach Hotel is not the Hollywood Beach Hotel. I think that's part of what the generic words. Generic words. It's the program. OK. Yes.

1:51:11Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana.

1:51:15Speaker 40

Commissioner Shuham.

1:51:18Speaker 40

Commissioner Hernandez. Yes. Vice Mayor Kaleri. Yes. Commissioner Gruber?

1:51:25 – 1:51:56Speaker 32

Yes. All right. Let's show the ordinance passing unanimously on first reading. All right. Any item is item 30, ordinance of the city of Hollywood amending the city's existing comprehensive plan to establish a transfer development rights program within the land use element, more specifically set forth in exhibit A, providing for transmittal to the floor of the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies. Motion to approve. Providing for severability and providing for an effective date. If you could just, OK, we have a motion and a second on the floor. But let's go ahead and open any public hearing on item 30.

1:52:07Speaker 32

Anne Ralston, Michael Seltzer, and for questions only, Keith Wallachoff. Go ahead, Anne.

1:52:12 – 1:54:22Speaker 57

It's the same stuff. And if this isn't, why don't we do site-specific? Why do we have to have this huge, huge overlay? Could you let me speak and not correct me when I leave the dais? Because I'm not allowed to speak again. So this is my opinion, and I'm allowed to say it. Now... This is the two things I printed out for the same. All three of them are all the same documentations. One says one thing, and one says another. And it's both for flex units. One crosses out, the city may utilize flex units, and the other one is unit. If it is not site-specific, specifically for 1301 or the grand old lady that's coming up at 3 o'clock, why is Mr. Polakoff here? Why? It's not site-specific. So if he's here as a concerned citizen, great. Let him give his comments and go on with the three minutes that we have. But it scares the hell out of me if Mr. Kolopoff is sitting here and after stating that we have no bearing on anything, for 1301, that that should have done for, this whole beach is different. And once you open the door, you're exactly right, Ms. Shuham. You say to one developer, yes, and you say no, you're going to get sued like they did with the Chabad on 46 versus the lady on 64th. One was Jewish, one was some kind of Baptist or Catholic or something. And so the religion sued, and now we have religion everywhere that we can't stop. And I'm not against any religion. Please don't get me on that one. I love all religions, whatever they may be, and may they all flourish. But the point is, you open the door, It's going to happen. So these are all the same. I don't know what to believe. And quite frankly, I don't believe any of this. I think there's ulterior motives, and I think it's being done before this commission changes in November.

1:54:22Speaker 49

Annie, can you get with Andrea and see the dates, if they were printed on the same? And maybe there's a correction. But if you could show us.

1:54:30 – 1:54:42Speaker 32

Michael Seltzer, please. I almost feel like I'm ordering a seltzer every time I call your name. You all need one. Michael Seltzer, making me thirsty.

1:54:44 – 1:57:44Speaker 22

The first thing I want to do is tell everybody my hearing aids don't work well, and I don't see well. But in any case, I want to thank Carol for explaining to me what an hour and a half sitting at the P&D meeting couldn't tell me. And if anybody watched it, it was a disgrace. I don't know if those people have to vote to pass this, or they don't have to vote. But trust me, I would say out of the, I don't know if there were five people there or six people, Five of them didn't know what they were voting on. They didn't have a clue. They didn't ask a question. I don't know if their vote counted or didn't count. The entire episode was a disgrace and a mess. And we should all, as a city, be ashamed of ourselves. That being said, the beach needs help. And I agree that it needs development. I don't want to see lots of towers. But eight, 10-story hotels that pay the taxes, that bring in tourists, that feed the restaurants is a wonderful thing for the city of Hollywood. And I can tell you, being in the restaurant business for just 50 years, the first thing I looked for when I opened a restaurant was hotels, because people that go to hotels don't cook. And they come with their wallets, and they come with their money, and they want to spend. And if they don't want to spend, they have to spend because they can't cook in the room. So hotels are wonderful. My first restaurant in Montreal was across from eight hotels. Stupid me when it was the busiest restaurant in Canada. I couldn't figure it out. So one day, I'm sitting there watching the parade on a Saturday night of hundreds, if not thousands, of people walking to my restaurant. And I couldn't believe my good fortune. And going forward, I opened a restaurant in a hotel in Tampa, in a hotel in Fort Myers, my busiest restaurant in Florida. That stupid restaurant did $8 million open six hours a day at a $10 check average. Why? That hotel and the one surrounding it fed me. Yes, the other people come out to eat Friday, Saturday, maybe Sunday. The rest of the week, they don't come out to eat. They stay home with their kids. So hotels are fabulous, as long as we do it smartly. And again, thank you, Carol, for explaining this to me. Appreciate it.

1:57:47 – 1:57:59Speaker 32

Thank you. Keith Polykov, any comments? No? All right. So we have a motion and a second on item 30. Commissioner Shuham, go ahead.

1:58:03Speaker 47

30 flex units or TDR?

1:58:08Speaker 32

Oops, I'm sorry. Let me reactivate the mic. Go ahead.

1:58:12 – 1:58:47Speaker 47

Just Andrea and Cameron, again, I want to understand in number six, the word discretionary. I think there's a concern up here. We want to really understand, and Damaris, we really want to lock that down when this comes back. And the other comment I have is the system to track this. I know that looking back it was a challenge, like how many flex units are there, what have we used, blah, blah, blah. What's the concept going forward? How are we tracking all this?

1:58:47 – 1:59:10Speaker 56

I mean, The intent is to track it each time a project comes forward and making sure that we are having a focus on the staff to manage the redevelopment plan, land use planning. And that's the responsibility of that specific section is to be tracking all of these different components.

1:59:11Speaker 47

So do you have a baseline of what's there now?

1:59:13Speaker 56

A baseline of TDRs? Yeah. There are none. The city has not allowed it. Oh, because you don't know. Right. I got you. Yeah. We're starting at zero today. OK. Perfect. Yeah.

1:59:23Speaker 32

Yep. All right. We have a motion and a second on the floor on the ordinance. Item 30. City attorney, please read the ordinance, and we'll call the roll.

1:59:30 – 1:59:51Speaker 8

An ordinance of the city of Hollywood, Florida, amending the city's existing comprehensive plan to establish a transfer of development rights program within the land use element as more specifically set forth in Exhibit A, providing for transmittal to the Florida Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date.

1:59:52Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman.

1:59:55Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana? Yes. Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez? Yes. Vice Mayor Kaleri? Yes. Commissioner Gruber? Yes. Mayor Levy?

2:00:05 – 2:00:43Speaker 32

Yes. All right, let's show the ordinance passing unanimously on first reading. Item 31 then is an ordinance of the City of Hollywood. AMENDING THE CITY'S EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO THE FLEXIBILITY UNIT PROVISIONS WITHIN THE LAND USE ELEMENT MORE SPECIFICALLY SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT A, PROVIDING FOR TRANSMITTAL TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND OTHER REVIEWING AGENCIES, SEVERABILITY AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING. LET'S GO AHEAD WITH ANY SPEAKER CARDS ON 31. Ann Ralston, Michael Seltzer, Keith Polyarkoff. Ann Ralston.

2:00:50 – 2:02:09Speaker 57

As the backup, it's the same on all. I'm just going to read the ordinance for this one in one spot. In accordance with Section 163.3184 of Florida Statutes, the City Commission has conducted two duly advertised public hearings on the proposed amendments to this city's comprehensive plan, including the review of objections, recommendations, and comments of the respective reviewing agencies. So I am assuming the first duly held meeting was June 29th. I'm guessing, and today's, which would be on this, unless that means it was April 29th and April 30th. So I'm not sure which of these meetings that all of these ordinances are referring to. Carol, can you just wait and you can answer my question in a minute. So that's my question. And are we, again, putting the cart before the horse? We're just passing this broad, broad thing. I know if I'm in my historic district and I want to pull a plan, boy, do I have to jump through hoops as a private owner on that piece of property to do it to follow zoning, setbacks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This seems to me to be this whopping overlay. And trust me, I don't trust anything, as I've said before, anything coming out because to me it's a bait and switch. Thank you.

2:02:11 – 2:02:22Speaker 32

Michael Seltzer. Let's wait until after a public comment. We'll let the city manager explain it. It's fine. It's easy. Seltzer.

2:02:24Speaker 22

I don't know why I'm here again.

2:02:28Speaker 32

You don't have to use all three minutes.

2:02:32Speaker 22

However, I go back to that P&D meeting. Do those people... Do those people's vote count for anything?

2:02:40Speaker 32

It's a recommendation.

2:02:42 – 2:04:14Speaker 22

OK, because they didn't know what they were talking about. And the staff, because they were delayed in coming and starting, and one guy had to leave early, it wasn't explained properly. Nobody understood what was going on there. It was a mess. All that being said, we can't build enough hotel rooms. But then we have to fill those hotel rooms. And maybe if you look at the beach, the hotels, the restaurants across from the beach, I can't remember. the crab place, the breakfast place, the other one, Gigi's, whatever. Most places are busy. You think they're busy because they're so wonderful? They're busy because the people go across the street. They're easy to go to. And if we're lucky enough to build all those restaurants or all those hotels, maybe some of it will spill off to the poor restaurants on Hollywood Boulevard Monday through Thursday, maybe even Friday, because they need help. And we can't build enough hotel rooms on that beach as long as they don't go over eight or 10 stories high. So what's that? I won't have any friends? You know what? I'm 76 years old. I can count my friends on one finger. My wife. You sure about that? And sometimes she's not my friend. However...

2:04:15Speaker 32

I love you. I just don't like you. Yeah.

2:04:17 – 2:05:26Speaker 22

You live long enough and you see everything. And some of this, I don't want to get into it, but some of the stuff I saw in my 50 years in the restaurant business is disgusting. And I was going to write a book if someone can help me, because I can't write. I have many stories to tell. And I'm going to meet with Mr. Hernandez. And I'm going to try and help those restaurants on Hollywood Boulevard. And now that I'm thinking of it, You know, when I was in business, I always went for the top, even when I had no money. And when we were doing that jazz festival, we should have gone for the best. And if it would have cost another 100 grand, who the hell cares? We should have tried to bring the biggest and the best here and made a real bang by playing in the sandbox with little toys. You're going to get nothing. I told the same story to my son, who's a lawyer. You have to strive for the biggest and the best.

2:05:29 – 2:05:46Speaker 32

All right, Michael. I feel like you need a podcast on life and hotel business. Pete, anything? No. All right. So we've got, of course, item 31. We've finished with public comments. I'll go ahead and call on Commissioner Quintana.

2:05:46 – 2:06:57Speaker 7

Thank you, Mayor. I'll be brief. I just wanted to commend Cameron on the presentation and providing context. And while I know that all of us have seen these ideas, these concepts many, many times, and some of our residents who are paying close attention are also familiar with these concepts, we know that sometimes people jump in midstream. And if they don't have the context the full picture and really understanding history is so important to common understanding and can really help prevent so much misunderstanding and assumption of ill will that I think it's worth the time. Even if it's not the most efficient use of time, I think it's worth the time to provide the background to perhaps head off at the pass what could be prevented as conflicts in the future. So I think you did a really good job of providing that in a way that was concise, and I just want to express appreciation.

2:06:58 – 2:07:30Speaker 32

Thank you, Commissioner Kitana. For me, what I love about this item, I've talked about the idea of a north beaching central beach and allowing some of these, if the investors exist, some of these smaller motels that are not really financially viable anymore to convert into, you know, beautiful single-family homes that North Beach set the example on. This is really why I'm excited about what this provision makes possible. So with that, I'll ask for a motion to approve. Motion to approve. And a second. We have a motion and a second to approve item 31 on first reading.

2:07:31Speaker 40

Excuse me, Mayor. Who was the second?

2:07:32Speaker 32

Vice Mayor with first, Gruber on second. Thank you. City Attorney, please read the ordinance. Let's call the roll call vote.

2:07:39 – 2:08:00Speaker 56

City Attorney, I'm sorry. I just wanted to add in, in our staff report for item 29, 30, and 31, we did reference that all three of these items are companion items. While there was one presentation done, that presentation also stands for the item that is at hand, and I did neglect to mention that for item number 30 that you considered. Thank you.

2:08:03 – 2:08:26Speaker 8

An ordinance of the City of Hollywood, Florida amending the City's existing comprehensive plan to provide clarifications and modifications to flexibility unit provisions within the land use element as more specifically set forth in Exhibit A, providing for a transmittal to the Florida Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies, providing for severability and providing for an effective date.

2:08:29Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman?

2:08:31Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana? Yes. Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez? Yes. Vice Mayor Kaleri? Yes. Commissioner Gruber?

2:08:42 – 2:09:36Speaker 32

Yes. All right. Let's show the ordinance passing unanimously on first reading. Thank you, staff. Thank you, everyone. Work in progress and looking forward to the next steps. All right. Let me clear the queue here. We're going to move on now to our 3 p.m. time certain items. Let's go ahead with item 32, a presentation by Lisa Liotta. She's the development officer with the city, of course, presenting to the city a description of where we are with the development opportunity and unsolicited proposal for the city-owned property located at 3250 Hollywood Boulevard, formerly known as or currently known as the Hollywood Police Headquarters. Still there. but soon to be moving into the new one fully. So we have an opportunity, Lisa, ahead of us. Let's go ahead.

2:09:36 – 2:10:10Speaker 43

Yes, we do. Before I get started, I did want to make sure we do have outside counsel that he has logged in to the meeting. Okay, very good. Thank you. So good afternoon. For the record, Lisa Liotta, Development Officer. For this presentation, I'm joined by Michael Michaud, Michael McShea and Clarissa Willis of CBRE. And through the city attorney's office, as mentioned a moment ago, we have secured outside counsel, Ken Arndt of Bryant Miller Olive, who is joining us virtually.

2:10:10 – 2:10:22Speaker 32

Lisa, if I could, if anyone is here to speak on the police headquarters site, I see Cheryl Woods here with the YMCA. You're welcome to fill out a speaker card. If you guys didn't know to do that in advance, it would just save us time later. All right. Thank you.

2:10:23Speaker 43

Thank you, Mayor.

2:10:23Speaker 32

And submit it to the clerk.

2:10:26 – 2:20:40Speaker 43

OK. So I am here before you today to discuss the status of 3250 Hollywood Boulevard, the soon-to-be former police headquarters, and update the commission on the receipt of an unsolicited proposal, address the YMCA relocation concept, share resident input gathered by staff, and receive direction on the proposed path forward. Last July, CBRE and staff made a presentation highlighting redevelopment opportunities in the city, including opportunities for public-private partnerships. That presentation included the site at 3250 Hollywood Boulevard. The presentation generated discussion regarding potential redevelopment concepts and desired community amenities. Recommendations included incorporating residential, retail, and commercial uses, exploring the possible relocation of the YMCA or David Park Community Center, and integrating other public recreational amenities such as tennis or pickleball courts, a public park, a dog park, and the continuation of the Orange Brook nature preserve path. The property, as we know, is approximately 8.75 acres, fronts Hollywood Boulevard, and abuts South Park Road to the west and Entrada Drive to the east. The new Hollywood Police Department headquarters is to the south. Looking at the zoning and land use, the property is zoned government use with land use being open space recreational on the south portion of the property and community facility on the north. Current permitted land uses, that are possible for the entire parcel include community institutional uses including schools, government offices, active and passive recreation, recreation facilities, and limited accessory and special uses. Both city and county land use plan amendments would be required if a development plan of the property includes residential, commercial, hotel, or office uses. It's also important to recognize the current adjacent zoning, where we have C3 to the west, which is defined as low-medium intensity commercial. This is the site of the Venture Corporate Center. And to the north is the Hollywood Plaza, which is C2, also low-medium intensity commercial district. To the east, we have RS3, zoning defined as single-family district. Since last July's presentation, the property has received significant interest from the development community. In our discussions with prospective developers, we have shared this conceptual massing study and emphasized several key planning principles that we consider important. These principles include a stepped reduction in building height along the east side of the property to provide a transition to the adjacent RS3 single-family neighborhood. We have also encouraged a reduction in density and overall development intensity along the southern portion of the site near the new police headquarters. In addition, staff has recommended that proposed redevelopment incorporate retail and commercial uses to help activate the site and serve the surrounding community, that buildings be designed in a manner that effectively screens or integrates parking facilities within the overall development, and that the entrance at the south end of the property be used for access from South Park Road. Continuing with design and public realm guidelines, we also recommend creating a pedestrian-friendly development with multimodal transportation options, the appropriate building step backs with landscaping to provide buffers, and public spaces such as plazas and flexible gathering areas. Staff has also conducted community outreach, including engagement with the Park East Civic Association, also known as PICA. At PICA's February 19th meeting, staff presented an overview of the property and the public-private partnership process, followed by an interactive discussion to gather community feedback. This feedback received from PICA has been shared with all prospective developers who have expressed interest in the property. I won't read through every bullet, but I'd like to highlight some of Pica's key comments. They expressed a preference for a high-end grocery store and do not support a fast food establishment. With respect to residential development, they favor townhomes or other low-rise, low-density housing. Quality of life amenities were also a priority, along with a comprehensive landscaping and maintenance plan and an appropriate buffer adjacent to Entrada Drive. Subsequently, PICA expressed opposition to a land swap involving the YMCA. Their concerns included the potential massing and scale of a new facility, insufficient space for adequate surface parking, and a loss of potential tax revenue for the city. In May 2026, the city received an unsolicited proposal that, based on staff's preliminary review, appears to meet the definition of a qualifying project under Florida Statute 255.065, which governs public-private partnerships. The statute defines a qualifying project as one that serves a public purpose. While the proposal includes private development components such as retail, commercial space, and market rate residential units, it also provides significant public benefits, including workforce housing, a community center, and early childhood learning center that has the VPK program. recreational amenities, playgrounds, a walking path connecting to the Orange Brook Nature Preserve Path, public green space, and public art. Also, economic development inclusive of tax revenue and job creation are also considered to serve public purposes in P3 developments. Based on these public purpose elements, staff determined the proposal satisfies statutory thresholds to proceed through the public-private partnership evaluation process. That's a little bit of alliteration for you. As mentioned in the beginning of this presentation, staff was asked to address the opportunity of a YMCA relocation concept. The Y is a nonprofit and is currently located on 5.37 acres at 3161 Taft Street in a building that is approximately 55,000 square feet. They have expressed an interest in relocating and upgrading their facility. This information has been shared with developers that are interested in the site. the site being 3250 Hollywood Boulevard. This map illustrates the existing YMCA property outlined in yellow. As mentioned, before the site As mentioned before, the site encompasses approximately 5.37 acres, is zoned RS6, and has land use designation of community. This designation allows for a range of community and institutional uses, including schools and government offices, as well as active and passive recreational uses and recreation facilities. Limited accessory and special uses are also permitted. Land being that land use prevails over zoning code and therefore a land use plan amendment for residential or commercial redevelopment would be required at this site. With that, the City Commission has several options regarding the next steps. The first option is to accept the unsolicited proposal and continue the public-private partnership process in accordance with Florida Statute 255.065 and either issue a public notice of receipt and then an offering memorandum with the opportunity for competing proposals to be submitted or accept the unsolicited proposal and proceed without a competitive solicitation based on a public on public interest determination. The second option is to reject the unsolicited proposal, thereby concluding the public-private partnership process under the statute, and instead issue an RFP, a request for proposals pursuant to the city's procurement code for the redevelopment of the property. The third option is to reject the unsolicited proposal under the statute and authorize the city to enter into a letter of intent with the YMCA. The letter of intent would provide a defined period, 60 days for the YMCA to prepare and submit a development proposal for the site. Staff is recommending the first option to accept the unsolicited proposal and issue a notice of receipt and accept competing proposals. This process will recognize the unsolicited proposal and allow other developers and the YMCA to submit a proposal and be part of a competitive process.

2:20:46 – 2:20:57Speaker 32

All right. Thank you, Lisa. I know this is a presentation item. We're not voting on anything. But on the other hand, the city manager, you need direction because you're in receipt of this proposal. So if you can elaborate a little bit

2:21:00Speaker 49

Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and commissioners.

2:21:02 – 2:23:13Speaker 50

This is a presentation item, but in the interest of an important site in our city in which there is a great deal of public interest, it did feel as though it made sense to gain input from the commission early on in the process, as opposed to undertaking a full blown solicitation, which would, of course, is a time consuming and sometimes costly endeavor for firms that are interested in participating. And so we wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page starting out in the process. And that the development community who's interested in the parcel had the benefit of the Commission discussion and input into the types of things that you all would like to see. Additionally, at your recent Commission conference meeting, there was a discussion that you all had regarding the YMCA. And so we felt that it was also important for you all to discuss that option and give some guidance and input to staff regarding your thoughts. At this point in time, the actual P3 submission that we received is not specifically up for discussion and debate. We recognize there's obviously a tremendous amount of interest in what that will look like and what those proposals will be. As has previously taken place with any of our P3 opportunities, it becomes a very public process once we receive multiple proposals There are public evaluation committee meetings. Oftentimes, the development community meets with the residents, gains their input, and there generally is a sort of best and final offer type of opportunity. So there is a great deal of opportunity throughout the process, which, as we know, can often span many months, even years sometimes, And there is a lot of opportunity for engagement throughout that process.

2:23:13 – 2:23:33Speaker 32

All right, great. That was great. Pat, if I could get the speaker cards, and then we'll go ahead and give some feedback to the city manager. Thank you so much. Ann Ralston, Michael Seltzer, Claire Garrett, Cheryl Woods, Keith Polyakov. Ann Ralston.

2:23:33 – 2:24:45Speaker 57

Thank you. I was a little confused even with the presentation. Sorry, Lisa. Is the YMCA putting the bid in? Who did the P3? And my understanding, at least with the P3 at 1301, quote unquote, then it automatically, if it got accepted, went to an RFP for other developers to come in. What she said didn't sound like that, so I just want to be corrected. If you accept this P3, will it be opened up as an RFP for other developers to do that? Is the YMCA part of this, or is this just I don't know why the YMCA is here? Nor do I know who the P3 that submitted the P3. I don't know who that developer is. So I don't know what they're even proposing to put on the property. I know what the community wants, because we had the argument over Orangebrook. So I mean, it'd be great to have something. But it seems to me we're going to have more workforce housing than I've ever seen. So good luck with that one.

2:24:48Speaker 49

Mr. Seltzer, I guess. After Mr. Seltzer, Claire Garrett.

2:25:09 – 2:28:05Speaker 22

It's only been a resident. It's going to be a year now. And there's two big projects. One's a golf course. The other one's 1301 that were given out I don't know how many years ago. There's not a shovel in the ground. There's all sorts of excuses. I hear this. I hear that. Just plain excuses. There was a property. I don't know why there's excuses. Whoever takes down these P3s or does this should at the very least give the city a non-refundable deposit. So the city knows that something is going to happen with no excuses, and there should be a timeline. And if they don't perform in that timeline, they lose their money and they go home. This is not a joke. This is our money, our land, and people are getting a look-see for nothing. Check out what happened in Margate for 12 years with a developer. They got sued. They went to court. It was an entire mess. If you want to go further, look at the trop site in St. Pete, 86 acres where the football stadium was. The mayor couldn't understand why he couldn't get it. I knew before the mayor knew that he wasn't getting it, because the developer was all over the world looking for money. He had no money. I have another client that won a P3. I won't mention the name of the client and or the city. However, nothing's happened. Why has nothing happened? I would say the market changed. I would say maybe the client has no money. There's a myriad of reasons. But in the meantime, the city awarded an RFP and nothing, zero. So before the city awards anything, they have to make sure there's a start date, an end date, a non-refundable deposit. And that, just to be upfront with everybody, that's why I brought Brookfield to the city. For the same reason the mayor of Margate chose Brookfield over Related and the Michaels group and a host of others because he's positive that they don't need the money and the development is going to happen. So whoever we award this to, and this and others, there has to be an end game. There has to be a non-refundable deposit. This can't be a story that goes on forever. Thank you. Thank you, Michael.

2:28:07Speaker 32

Clara Garrett. Followed by Cheryl Woods.

2:28:17 – 2:31:20Speaker 44

Good afternoon, Mayor and Commissioners. Claire Garrett, Program Director, Park East Civic Association. On behalf of the Park East Civic Association, I want to start by thanking city staff. First, we want to thank Lisa Liotta, who helped facilitate PICA's February workshop, which we titled, What is the Future of the Old Hollywood Police Department Property? Lisa gave us a very informative PowerPoint overview of the site and an explanation of the complicated P3 process. Then we broke out into conversation groups to develop a wish list and discuss our concerns for this site. We put our thoughts on post-it notes and attached them to large sheets of paper that we put on the wall with these categories, what I would like, and what I would not like. Later, we organized these comments into a report that we sent to the city, and we've been told that it's being shared with the developers. So we want to thank the city staff for reaching out more recently for our thoughts regarding the possible relocation of the YMCA to the HPD site. Third, we want to thank city staff for including PICA's feedback in the community outreach slide in today's presentation. And we hope that the mayor and the commissioners will consider it in making their decision on the future of this site. During the HPD workshop, Not even one of the many post-it note wishes was for the YMCA to be relocated there. What most people wanted would fill a real gap in this part of Hollywood, which is a specialty supermarket, such as Trader Joe's. So we won't have to drive for half an hour to get to the several that are within reach. And we'd also like nice mid-range restaurants. Low-rise, low-density housing was seen as a good complementary component. And amenities such as a dog park and connectivity to the future Orange Brook nature preserve path were also wished for. We all agree that this is one of Hollywood's last important sites for development, so it is vital that the city take its time to get it right. We think the best way forward would be to open the P3 process up to competition and let the best concepts rise to the top. We all love the why, but it may or may not be the best fit for the HPD site, and perhaps a different, better site will be available to them. At our PICA board meeting, we also felt strongly that the imminent threat of the property tax referendum passing, that the loss of tax revenue for the city from the Choice Hollywood Boulevard site would not make good economic sense. So PICA hopes and trusts that the city will keep us in the loop to the extent that it is legally allowable within the P3 process. Thank you for your considerations.

2:31:23 – 2:31:35Speaker 32

Cheryl Woods, YMCA of South Florida. Welcome Cheryl.

2:31:36 – 2:33:52Speaker 48

Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commission, staff, thank you for the opportunity. Obviously, the YMCA has been very entrenched in this community for over 80 years. And if you take a look at our current property, you can see all 80 years all over that facility. And so it has always been a goal of the YMCA to bring a state-of-the-art facility to this community. We have been able to through the YMCA of South Florida, we have been able to partner in very innovative and creative ways to bring state-of-the-art facilities to communities and cities, from Weston to Pembroke Pines to Hollandale Beach to two in Fort Lauderdale, one of which is currently under construction. And I know that I sent Raylan some pictures of those just so you get a feel for what state-of-the-art really does look like. We're about building community. We love the community input. That's how we serve community, especially with the different age groups that we do. I see it also as obviously a tremendous community asset and a tremendous benefit to this community, because I don't know any other particular agency or organization that does what the Y does. Obviously, I'm very, very biased in that. I also see it as leveraging 14 acres of space, not 8.75 acres, because the intent would be how do we really have a better impact on the community because we have two different pieces of property, the current property of the YMCA and the particular police station. So I believe that we can find some pretty strong partners. I think we have shown examples of that, whether it's through housing or through health care, because again, it's about building a healthier community. And so the goal of the YMCA is to find those very strategic partners that we can leverage and build a state-of-the-art YMCA here for the community of Hollywood.

2:33:53Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. Keith Polakoff.

2:34:00 – 2:35:45Speaker 26

Thank you, Mayor. I'll be brief. I have numerous clients who have been interested in this site for quite a long time. In fact, there are several in the audience who have already stated, oh, I love that site. Unlike what happened with Orange Brook, none of my clients would recommend that this be handled through a P3 process. There were too many issues, too many disagreements, too many fights that occurred during the Orange Brook P3 that made it known that when the developer drives the ship and you have so much personality and citizenship in Park East and otherwise, that it's easier for the commission to come back to us, the development community, and tell us potentially what you're looking for in the site rather than sky's the limit. A P3, and when you're telling a developer, design anything you want without any parameters at all, which is essentially what's occurred here, You don't, a developer is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a proposal that may be totally outside the gamut of what the city commission is looking for. We would rather you come to us and say, this is generally what we're looking for. If it's the YMCA being part of it, tell us the YMCA is part of it. But a sky's the limit approach will not work for this site. There are too many issues with the site in terms of proximity to other housing, Park East influence, YMCA influence, that please, please go with option two. Kill this P3. Come back at a later date. Have a workshop. You know you're not going to be able to solve this tonight. And come back to the development community and tell us these are the general parameters of what we're looking for. What would you propose? Thank you.

2:35:45 – 2:36:50Speaker 32

Thank you. Raelynn, how about some feedback on some of the comments in terms of, you know, being more in the driver's seat in the RFP process versus the P3 process. I don't know if you feel the same as what was described as Orangebrook. I thought it was pretty fluid and actually resulted in, you know, a proposal that we're all very happy with and we're looking forward to an exciting result. On the other hand, option three with the YMCA, and I think we really, I want to hear the feedback of my colleagues, and if the YMCA is something, and perhaps Cheryl can share more about what the facilities look like today, if that's such an important community benefit that we all agree on, then that option three, which will be a letter of intent to go and negotiate with the YMCA or see what the YMCA can bring back, If we all know that we want a YMCA and want to give them the opportunity to put their best foot forward, then it doesn't bind us to that. But at least it allows the Y to come back with its best and its brightest, have community meetings, and allow us to either embrace that or rule that out, and then go to the development community with other ideas, whether it's RFP or P3.

2:36:52Speaker 50

Thank you, Mayor.

2:36:52Speaker 32

You can't control because it would be unsolicited.

2:36:54 – 2:42:34Speaker 50

Right. Absolutely. So this has been the subject of a great deal of staff discussion, as well as we have looped in our consultants with CBRE that participate both in RFP processes and actually run RFP processes for their public sector clients throughout the country, as well as help manage a P3 process under the state statute. So the P3 process under the state statute does require that once we receive an unsolicited proposal, if we choose to accept it, that we publish notice that we have received it, and we've deemed it a qualifying proposal that serves a public purpose, and that we then accept competing proposals for the same project. Generally, in that advertisement and the offering memorandum that would be issued, it is very much like an RFP in that it is laying out the framework of what we are looking for, a mixed-use development with mixed-income housing. multi-family housing, a specialty grocer. I mean, we lay out all of those things. In Orangebrook, that was very specified because we had very specific guidance from the general obligation bond vote as to what needed to be on the site and what people wanted to see. And so all of the proposals did, to a very large extent, include that. Additionally, we typically hold a pre-proposal conference in which we review that information with the development community. As it relates to the pros and cons, the P3 process is potentially a little more broad because we are not really specifying exactly what we want to see. But the RFP process could similarly be that because it is just exactly what we put in as what we want out of it that guides that process. There's really only more differences in terms of The P3 statute is governed, or the P3 process is governed by state statute. The RFP process is governed by our procurement code, which is enmeshed within our code of ordinances, which, of course, also has to conform with state procurement guidelines. I think because we have a fairly good understanding of the site and the site constraints, and we've been able to articulate that to the development community, and they clearly want to be responsive to that. because they want to develop a proposal that is appealing to you all, to the residents, to the neighborhood, to all of the things that the city is trying to accomplish, I do think through a P3 process we can get some very competitive proposals in. If the commission feels very strongly that the YMCA is what you want to have on the site, you certainly could include that in an RFP. We've tried to play that out staff-wise. How does that work if you tell the development community we want somebody to partner with the YMCA and bring us a proposal that includes the YMCA? It could result, quite frankly, I don't think anyone has a crystal ball here. It could result in multiple developers courting the YMCA and the YMCA having multiple options and you all and the evaluation committee then having multiple options to consider. Or it could result in the YMCA deciding we only want to work with this one and now really the YMCA has decided. So, which is not a bad thing. But if you want to do that, if you want to give the YMCA that opportunity, it may make more sense not to engage in that larger exercise and give them a shot to come forward with a partner that they feel best fits and see if they can put forward a proposal that you all feel is in the city's best interest. CONVERSELY, IF YOU LIKE THE P3 PROCESS, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROPOSAL FOR THE REST OF THE ORANGEBROOK SITE, WE CAN PROCEED UNDER THE P3 STATUTE AND THE YMCA CAN ABSOLUTELY PARTICIPATE IN THAT WITH A DEVELOPER AND PUT FORWARD A COMPETITIVE PROPOSAL for you all to consider. Meanwhile, you will also see what else is out there within the development community and the creativity that the development community brings to the site. I have great respect for Keith Polyakov and his He obviously has a lot of different clients who work in this field, and so I certainly do take his thought process on it. But I do feel that we have had great success, and CBRE has similarly opined that they believe we can have success with the P3 process.

2:42:34Speaker 32

All right. Let's hear from commissioners and get some feedback and have a discussion. Commissioner Hernandez.

2:42:39 – 2:44:31Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. I think that this is one of the prime pieces of land of the city of Hollywood, aside from some other places on the beach, based on the location and proximity. I think that we should be open to all possibilities. I don't think that we should exclude the Y, but I also don't think that we should be exclusively looking at the Y. I think that we would be selling ourselves short. And I like your opinion that the fact that We have the ability to work it through the P3, but we also have the ability to put it out as an RFP, being more precise of what we're looking for. I've met with a particular developer, I can think of their name right now, that they had a layout that it was basically similar to a park in the center, with buildings on one side, park and structure on the other. amenity on top of the parking garage that you could oversee the whole area. And the one thing that I ask for is if we're going to do some development on that particular site, let's look at some high-quality stores. for you to be able to bring in the clienteles that want to be able to have a Sunday brunch in the park. We don't have that ability anywhere else in the city. We will have the ability to do that right in the middle of our city. So I wouldn't want our commission to look at just one spot. Let's see how broad we can make this and go from there. I'm not picking one versus the other. And I may be confusing you regarding the direction that I would like for you to do. But I'm just talking to the general public. and talking to my colleagues, this site should be a focal point. And again, nothing against the Y, but I don't think we should limit ourselves to that, nor should we exclude them from this thing.

2:44:32Speaker 32

Thank you. Let's go to Vice Mayor Kaleri.

2:44:35 – 2:46:39Speaker 49

Thank you, Mayor. So I see former Commissioner Dick Blattner in the audience, and thank you for being here. I just want to give a little bit of, I think, HISTORY OR PERHAPS INFLUENCE. WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE ORANGE BROOKS SITE MANY YEARS AGO, I WAS APPROACHED BECAUSE I'M THE COMMISSIONER OF THE CURRENT PARKEY CIVIC ASSOCIATION IN THE YMCA, AND DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT COMMISSIONER BLATNER HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME DEEDED LAND TO THE YMCA ON THE ORANGE BROOKS SITE. And it started discussion. And at that time, they said that they were overgrowing their capacity. For many, many years, being the commissioner of that area, several complaints about parking, traffic, so forth and so on. And so the discussion began even before we approved the Orange Brook development. And that put, you know, you just put a little seed and it's like the mustard seed and it grows. And so you start thinking about how can we solve a lot of problems instead of just one. And that's where the land swap came about. There's where all these discussions came about. And so, you know, you start pondering and as a commissioner, you have to have the visionary and the thought process to say, okay, what does the residents want versus, How do we move the city forward? Well, the deeded land to the YMCA did not play out as it was mentioned, but it did start the process. Again, in addition to that, we had many discussions with the county. I will hold back my comments about that. But they wanted to put a courthouse there. And that courthouse ended up migrating into a jail. And Park East, I'm not going to say PICA, because I feel like that's one of those things you bite on, like ice. People have eat hair.

2:46:39Speaker 50

We're not going to.

2:46:40 – 2:51:49Speaker 49

Park East Civic Association, the nurse and me, sorry, ultimately did not want a court. a jail. Courthouse seemed acceptable, a municipality. We even talked about putting City Hall over on that site. So there's been a lot of discussion. So I first would say the workshops were really great when we had CBRE come, because there are many areas. We've talked about City Hall, redeveloping City Hall. So there are some very valuable City owned sites that were in discussion throughout my tenor here 14 years But I think a workshop would be really really important so that we can get the input of each Commissioner and the Civic Association so that we can really kind of narrow down exactly what we want to see there and Zeroing out the YMCA, to me, we focus, if you could, Lisa, bring up the slide where Park East had mentioned once. I would love to see Trader Joe's or a Whole Foods supermarket in that area. But what we want, as my dad would always say, wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up faster. So our wishes are great, but sometimes they don't come to fruition. When I read here the supermarket, I agree with that 100%. But you can't get a supermarket like Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, from my understanding, because you don't have the clientele in the surrounding area to feed that, just like we were talking about with Mr. Seltzer, restaurants. You have to build hotels for people to utilize the restaurants. If you don't have the surrounding area of housing, you're not going to get the much needed revenue to make those supermarkets succeed. I agree with mid-range restaurants. No fast food. We have enough of them. We need good steakhouses. We need something that will draw in the clientele. Annie, unfortunately, workforce housing is the buzz. This is a demand. We have residents moving in, and it's going to go throughout. It's filling in throughout the entire city. I am a senior proponent. Senior housing is my number one push because that is where the biggest demand along with veterans are. And quality of life amenities. Orangebrook Park East Civic Association worked really, really hard to make sure that the nature preserve was in the park, to make sure that we maintained the golf course, to make sure that we met the needs of the residents within the district. But maybe call me silly or... pie in the sky or go big and go home, Claire, right? But the YMCA brings more value to our community just like our PALS and our Boys and Girls Club. We either invest in our youth and the health of our community and make sure that we fit all the demands and needs. And to me, that's why when this YMCA deed portion in Orangebrook started, it migrated into, what are the possibilities? And if anyone hasn't had the opportunity to look into what is being built in Fort Lauderdale, partnership with most important health, youth, and community. That's what they've done. And it could be some amazing synergy along with some proper development that goes with it that we will be checking off all the boxes. Investment, bang for our buck, and the opportunity to meet the demands of our community. In addition to that, the site that the YMCA is on now, depending on how that works out, that becomes another added value in our community to see what we want and how we progress with that, with the land swap, if that's an opportunity. So these are all amazing opportunities, and there may be somebody out there that will bring something forward that... may supersede all of these thought process that we have. The only way to do that and narrow it down and to meet the demands or the question that you have been posed today, do we go with one, two, or three, is really I think a workshop is the best to find out exactly how we narrow that down. My question is if you could bring up two, three, one, two, and three question, because someone just, a resident just requested that I look at that. You combine, and maybe this is at a workshop, but just thinking out of the box, can you combine two and three and make it one? Like make it number two. Not just make it number two or just pick a number three. And I don't know if we're making that decision today, if that's what you want. But I think in a workshop would be much more sufficient and give us a little bit more time frame. Or do we need to make that decision now?

2:51:59 – 2:53:54Speaker 50

So Commissioner Hernandez, just ask a question that I think is perhaps appropriate to what you were asking as well. And that is related to time frames. We did receive the unsolicited proposal. And there are certain time frames within the statute in which we need to decide whether we are accepting the proposal and issuing the notice, or if we are rejecting the proposal. Nothing does prevent us from deciding that we're going to issue an RFP and specifying that the commission is interested in a YMCA concept or a discussion of the YMCA. I mean, if you're requiring it, then you would obviously, we kind of just talked through what does that look like. If you're requiring it, are you essentially already guiding a process that if that's really what you want to do, you might just go ahead and allow the YMCA to have 60 days to develop a proposal. and bring it forward versus saying, hey, development community, everyone go after the YMCA. Now, I mean, that might work out very well. And maybe the YMCA would actually really like that, and they would like to work with multiple different entities. And then you still get to ultimately pick the development entity that you all want. Or conversely, it could end up that the YMCA works with one entity, and then the selection really is, predetermined by the fact that the YMCA has selected that one entity, and you have a lot of other people spinning their wheels when you've already predetermined that.

2:53:54Speaker 49

So can I ask, I just have a question for Claire Garrett, if she could come to the mic.

2:54:04 – 2:55:02Speaker 49

Claire, can you come to the mic? And then I think I'm going to ask former Commissioner Blattner to come up as well. I'll have a question for you if it's okay. So, Claire, I just have a question. I'm speaking on behalf of the Park East Civic Association, and we both share that district. You were opposed to... From my understanding, you were opposed to the progression working with the county for placing a courthouse and a jail, correct? The jail portion is what kind of turned us to a different direction. Also, in the presentation that was here, your civic association was against placing the YMCA at that site, or is it that you were just unaware or concerned of how that would look out, how that would work out?

2:55:02 – 2:56:06Speaker 44

Yeah. We discussed it at great length in our board meeting. people kept saying, well, it depends. It depends on this, depends on that. We don't know enough to know that we support it. But nevertheless, they did have concerns. Those members in your part of PECA's neighborhood who live closer to the Y were really concerned about if it were a land swap, then What would they get in their backyard? They were really fearful of that. People who lived in Edelma's part of the neighborhood, where I live, were concerned the impact on the R3 residential community, the single family homes. And so ultimately, the board decided that, They wanted to stick with their original wish list, which came out of the very thoughtful workshop that we held in February.

2:56:07 – 2:56:48Speaker 49

So I think there's still more work to be done as far as discussion and coming together and seeing what that can look like. So the P3 process, to some extent, is valuable. But then it also kind of, I think, muddies the water. So I really don't know the direction of the board. And I think, again, It's really important that we all make this decision because it's not just my district and Commissioner Quintana's district. It is the entire city of Hollywood benefits. So thank you. Commissioner Blattner, I just want to make sure that I'm not speaking out of term with what was told to me that originally started and planted this seed of your thought process or your mention of there being a deeded portion for the YMCA at the Orangebrook.

2:56:51Speaker 5

I heard you mention that about 10 minutes ago, and honestly, I don't remember. Okay. Can I be forgiven for that?

2:56:59Speaker 49

No, I mean, hey. I don't.

2:57:02Speaker 5

I know over the years you and I have had numerous discussions about the why, not only because it was in your district, but because, you know, we just communicate that way.

2:57:12Speaker 49

Just the concerns and everything that have come, yes.

2:57:14Speaker 5

Anything else?

2:57:15Speaker 49

No, that's it.

2:57:15Speaker 32

What is your feeling, if I could, Commissioner Blattner, on the idea of the YMCA needing a new home and if this could be together with another use?

2:57:23 – 2:57:59Speaker 5

We're just very parallel to the city. You had a choice to build a new city hall and include everything in one building. And you chose to put a second story on the library because your needs have changed. And an opportunity came along for you to do that. We're in the same position, except we don't have a second site to put a second story on. We're in an 80-year-old building. And I don't know how much it would cost or why. out of pocket to make it a 21st century building. So this opportunity seems like very appropriate for us.

2:58:01 – 2:58:34Speaker 49

And just so everyone, why should we cut ourselves short, the city of Hollywood? And if we have another recommendation. And the only other reason why I am such a fan of relocating it especially in that site is because it keeps it in Park East because they've kind of taken ownership of the YMCA and it's in a location that it's familiar. So that's another reason why it just seemed like a good thought process and fit. So I'll leave it up to you guys to make a decision, but that would be where I would go and move forward with trying to venture and seeing how we can get the Y there. Thank you.

2:58:35Speaker 32

Thank you. Let's get to Commissioner Quintana.

2:58:38 – 3:02:35Speaker 7

Thank you, Mayor. First of all, I think... I want to commend the Parkey Civic Association for taking an active and positive approach to a change coming to their community. You know so often change can be so scary for people, and it's very easy to go into what we don't want and just focus on what we don't want. The fact that Lisa facilitated this discussion to really get them to think about what would they like so that the development community could have some guidance about where they can invest their time and energy I think was really good. So I was there for that workshop, and I just want to commend them on that process. About the slide that shows what they showed as preferences, we don't need to show it, but just to talk about the Trader Joe's option, why not? I mean, Hollywood is not the same as it was 15 years ago. I shop at the Trader Joe's in Davie regularly. And there's not a single time that I go there that I don't run into at least one Hollywood resident. Or Costco. That's because they're right next to each other. And there's lots of places where Costco could go. On 441, State Road 7. So I really do love and respect Claire in so many ways, but I have to disagree with the idea that this is the last important development opportunity in Hollywood. There are so many neglected opportunities for development in Hollywood. And so I also am very much a proponent of the work that the YMCA does. I understand that the Park East residents have a special affinity for it because it's right there in their backyard. But the Y also is a place that's utilized by people all over the city. It doesn't just belong to the Park East community. People from all over the city use it. And I really have faith that the YMCA can find a partner to work with them to find a home, if not this location, another location. If this location, great. But I really believe that it's a worthy effort. I routinely talk about how the PAL serves the Liberia and surrounding communities so well. The youth there are well served. The Boys and Girls Club on the west side is serving, is building the teen center. And where we have a gap is in my district. The youth in that area don't currently have access to the level of programming and services that the PAL program and the Boys and Girls Club offers. So my tendency is to think that we should accept the P3. I would rather that we have an open process. And as long as we can determine what our priorities are, allow for the development community's creativity, to come forth. They may come up with stuff that an RFP wouldn't, that we would issue, wouldn't imagine. So I tend to want that to be the case, the option to accept this RFP and then proceed with the public bidding process.

3:02:36Speaker 32

So accept the P3 process and let the Y flow into that?

3:02:40 – 3:02:55Speaker 7

I really believe that the Y can find a willing partner to work with them. I think they have a worthwhile service to provide to our community. And I really think that a developer could work with them positively without us having to make it an exclusive part of the deal.

3:02:55Speaker 32

All right. Thank you for your addition there. Let's go to Commissioner Biederman.

3:03:03 – 3:03:17Speaker 34

So just curiosity, how much do we have to pay CBRE if we were to go with any number of these options? Is there an estimate? Do we know? Just curious.

3:03:18 – 3:04:00Speaker 50

Right now, we have CBRE under contract with us to provide real estate advisory services. They would develop a fee structure specific to this P3 process. And we would share that with you all before going forward. But generally, it is based on a percentage of the overall value of the project. That has ranged. In the case of 1301, it's just under $1 million that is paid for by the development entity. So just to give you a general idea.

3:04:01Speaker 34

And did the unsolicited proposal have to pay anything to be evaluated?

3:04:13 – 3:04:51Speaker 50

The unsolicited, our code of ordinances requires that the unsolicited proposer submit a $25,000 fee. And the state statute allows the city to request additional funding for review of the proposal if it if it looks that the cost of reviewing the proposal is going to exceed the $25,000. And typically that has been stated in the offering memorandum what those review fees and any commissions would be.

3:04:52 – 3:06:55Speaker 34

Thank you. So, I think that the, value of the Y would be more valuable part of the development deal if we didn't already have the Y here. I think they're here, right? And they have land. And they might be busting at the seams. But there's other opportunities. And I think the unknown also creates some kind of anxiety if they were to do a land swap of sort without knowing what's going there now. I'm in agreement with Commissioner Quintana. I think that A is a good option for us. I think that A is a good option for the Y because it makes them a valuable partner. Do I think I want to take up land on Hollywood Boulevard for the YMCA? Not right now, not really, but it could be a valuable asset for any developer that wants to bid on that property. But I think that without going out to bid, we don't know what's out there, and we don't know what the benefit is to a all of the residents in Hollywood, whether they're my residents or another commissioner's residents. But it's the unknown. So the only way to find out the answer to the unknown is put it out in the universe and see what comes back. I won't be sitting here when it gets back. Good luck to the next people. But right now, I would support A, and I'll make a motion to direct staff to follow through on 1A, if that's acceptable.

3:06:56 – 3:07:16Speaker 32

Well, I don't know that we need a motion. I think we're just gathering feedback as a presentation item. None of us take action. But Ray Lynn is listening, and it sounds like a consensus is forming. So far, three commissioners who spoke, Hernandez, Quintana, and Biederman, wish to have additional proposals that includes and embrace the why, but don't leave it exclusively to the why.

3:07:16Speaker 34

And if it wasn't clear enough, I'm not against the why. I just think that See what's out there. Commissioner Gruber.

3:07:25Speaker 8

Mayor, real quickly before Commissioner Gruber starts, I just want to, for the sake of the sanitation of the record, if you could withdraw your motion so that we don't have to.

3:07:34Speaker 34

There was no second, so it dies for lack of a second. Commissioner Quintana.

3:07:39Speaker 8

Thank you so much. Thank you.

3:07:41 – 3:08:24Speaker 31

Thank you. I think I'm on the same page as you guys. But I just want to get more clarification on the situation with the why. So the current why, I guess it's busting at the seams. It's definitely old, because when I played Little League basketball there 40 years ago, it was old then. You know, I love the Y. My mom goes there. My sister goes there. But so is the current site not able to accommodate a better facility? Because I think Commissioner Blatter, you mentioned that it may be too expensive or cost prohibitive. Would you like Ms. Woods to address that? Yeah, just like what the thought process is. Do you have to move? What's the timeline? what are you experiencing? I'm sure you guys might know all of this.

3:08:25Speaker 32

Well, Ms. Woods can speak for her, for the Y, even though Raylan knows the answer.

3:08:28 – 3:08:52Speaker 50

Well, and Commissioner, you know, Ms. Woods did provide a brief overview to give you an idea of what some of the YMCAs have looked like when they have partnered with other cities. So if staff wants to bring up that, That may help. I'm happy to see that.

3:08:52Speaker 31

But I also want to know, like, is the current site even an option? Like, if the funding comes in for it, or is it just too small and doesn't work?

3:09:00 – 3:10:54Speaker 48

A couple things. I think it would be too small. And we're already busting at the seams with parking in that location. It's 5.3 acres. So it really does need a little more space. For the YMCA, it's important that we have a partner. to partner with because that's how we can build in today's price market. And we have examples of how that has been very, very successful. The other thing I'd say is this YMCA is probably, as you all know, the busiest United Nations of any Y I have ever seen in zillions of years of my career. And I think it would be catastrophic to have to close and rebuild from ground zero. I think there's too many people that depend on our programs and services, and they are the most loyal members I have ever seen because of the love of this community over 80 years. So those are my two cents. And I think, again, I want to go back to having a state-of-the-art facility with a creative partner and giving us the opportunity to kind of share some of those visions with you. I mean, obviously, I'm biased. I'd like for you to choose option three, because I think we have nothing to lose. We've got time to be able to pull that together. And I believe we can bring a very creative option to you that the community would love. I would also say, if the word got out, which it probably might be, that to our members that this might be an option, I can tell you, you would be inundated with people that are just clamoring for a brand-new state-of-the-art facility.

3:10:55Speaker 48

And then I don't know if you want to see any of this.

3:10:57Speaker 32

Yeah, go ahead and let's show this while we're here.

3:10:59 – 3:19:32Speaker 48

Yeah, I mean, obviously we do a lot of things because you grew up at the Y. Mm-hmm. So we are now the YMCA of South Florida, so that's Miami Broward, touching 350,000 lives. That gives us a lot of capacity to do creative things in our service to the community. We're a very large after-school program, eight facilities. and we do a lot of community outreach. So we do a lot of community health programs as an extension of our current facilities, which is amazing. Next slide, I guess. This is Weston. So many of you know that the city owns the land and we built this building. It has, it too is kind of the flagship for our organization just simply because it was built 20 some years ago. A large aquatic center, probably also one of the largest, busiest Ys in the country, I would tell you, when it comes to density of population that uses this facility. Pembroke Pines, really the city had bond money for a senior center and a teen center, and a recommendation was given to the city manager at the time saying, have you ever looked at the Y model? Maybe you should consider taking some of those resources. And so we met with the city manager. We took an existing underutilized community center, used that bond money, and expanded that location, which also added space. senior programming and teen programming. And this is out on 172nd Street. Beautiful facility. The city manager came back and said it's 45,000 square feet. That is the sweet spot for the Y. As far as square footage, city manager came back and said, you have to take the aquatic center over by Walter C. Young because we don't want to do that anymore. And we said, absolutely, be happy to. We have utilized that to a point that it's probably one of our busiest aquatic locations. And therefore, we leverage that asset. Because we are the largest provider of after-school programs for children with special needs in Broward County, The city runs an adaptive sports program and said, can you please take over all of our adaptive sports programs and expand the services because of your expertise and your capacity? So that's how that has all been leveraged for the city of Pembroke Pines. This is our Hollywood Y. And if you remember, many years ago, that front entrance used to be the back. And that's when I first came. And we were a program center. When we invested about $3 or $4 million in this particular YMCA, and we made health and wellness and It wasn't just about youth programs. It was about the whole family and seniors. We're still busting at the seams. This building is so tired, there's just no way to invest enough money to bring it back to life. And that's why the current location that we're talking about is so important to us. I mean, the parking is. And I think it's a disruption to the community. I mean, all that busy traffic going in and out of there, now the community has embraced us and have been used to it. But at the end of the day, I think making this a more residential option would think would be a benefit but again not to exclude other ideas Hallandale Beach I mean Hallandale Beach built this it was beautiful I mean they came to us and said you know what we're gonna build this 45,000 square foot facility we really don't have the capacity to operate it and you provide so many different programs for so many different populations this is very very important to us and so That has been very much a home run down in Hallandale. This is on Sistrunk Boulevard. This is a 65,000-square-foot facility. Of that 65,000 square feet, we brought the community together. This is an absolute model for Y's across the country because it's retail on the ground floor. There's a police substation, Holy Cross. Hospitals there, a pharmacy is there in our CISDRUNK community, two minority-owned businesses, a hair salon, as well as bringing healthy foods to the community. So it's 8,000 square feet of retail space. We've got a preschool there that is also another third party that provides that, even though the Y could. We have turned it into a bigger community center. The Y is on the second and third floor. Behind that Y logo is a black box theater to bring performing arts and entertainment. Broward College on the top floor. Because Claire, we did what you all are so great at, is giving community input. And we asked for community input. And it was activate the street. bring economic development to the community. We need access to education. We need access to jobs. We need access to health and healthy options for food. And that we blew out. That's four years old. It is just a one-of-a-kind, and magic is happening every day there. And that's 10,000 square feet at Broward College, where anyone that lives in the 33311 zip code has an opportunity to go there and get a certification degree. We just had 80 people graduate. When I say 80 people, I'm not talking just young people. I'm talking individuals that wanted their GEDs and opportunities. So a lot of amazing things that you can see there that we did that. Again, a model. And then this is Holiday Park, all right? The city gave us the land on this previous location. Whoops, sorry, wrong way. Don't know how to go backwards. Help. I just goofed. So the city of Fort Lauderdale gave us the land on these two pieces of property on CISDRUNK. They also gave us $10 million of CRA dollars. We went after new market tax credit dollars. We had private funding. And this building is four years old, and there's not any capital debt on this building in the Sistrunk community. Therefore, all the dollars are reinvested in programs and services for the community, as you all know. So major home run. Holiday Park, the city gave us three and a half acres right there on Federal Highway. We had to get creative because when we built this particular location, it was right at COVID, and it was a $20 million project. This is a $50 million project. There's a pent-up need on this east side of Fort Lauderdale. There is not a one-stop shop for families, just like I think here in Hollywood. This is another one of those locations where where is that melting pot of people of all different ages get to go? And so this is a partnership with Broward Health, Shane Strum, sat with Shane. How this came about, Citi gave us a 50-year lease for that land. I had something that Shane needed. I hope Shane's listening. And Shane, I asked if he wanted to participate, and he said yes. Shane is paying for his portion of construction and also helping pay the debt on this building, which gives us an opportunity to build a state of the art facility. And I will say that we are under construction and will open in one year from now. So we, too, want to go fast. We don't want this to sit. I think there are examples of YMCAs all over the country working with developers. and bringing housing and bringing additional resources to those communities and making it very enticing for residents, where it's not just concrete and it's not just buildings, but it's truly a destination for people of all different ages. So that's a long answer, Commissioner.

3:19:32Speaker 31

I appreciate it. Thank you. OK. Yeah. Thank you so much. I would love to see a facility like the one that's about to open in Fort Lauderdale here in Hollywood.

3:19:41Speaker 48

I'm going to leave that up, just so we can whet your appetite in Hollywood.

3:19:47 – 3:19:59Speaker 31

I think it would be great for our residents. But my concern, my question is, so let's just say we snap our fingers and this is happening. What are we doing if it's a swap? What are we able to do with the current YMCA? What?

3:20:02Speaker 32

She said soccer.

3:20:03Speaker 31

What I don't want to see is a boarded up YMCA five years after. What are the options there?

3:20:09Speaker 32

Ray Lynn? Why don't you? What's that? We showed what the zoning was. What are the options are? Right.

3:20:14 – 3:20:54Speaker 50

Yeah, really. So in the presentation, we did provide you with some information on the current YMCA site. It's zoned RS6. So it would require a land use plan amendment, but presumably IT COULD BE HOUSING. IT COULD BE SOME TYPE OF, I IT COULD BE SOME TYPE OF, I WOULD SAY HOUSING IS THE MOST WOULD SAY HOUSING IS THE MOST ACCREDITIVE TO THE EXISTING ACCREDITIVE TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXACTLY WHAT FORM NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXACTLY WHAT FORM THAT TAKES BUT I WOULD PRESUME TOWN THAT TAKES BUT I WOULD PRESUME TOWN HOMES WOULD BE ABOUT THE MOST DENSE HOMES WOULD BE ABOUT THE MOST DENSE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT YOU WOULD GO TYPE OF HOUSING THAT YOU WOULD GO FOR ON THAT SITE.

3:20:54Speaker 31

FOR ON THAT SITE. I THINK IT SITS NEXT TO WHAT I THINK IT SITS NEXT TO WHAT IS NOW AN ASSISTED LIVING IS NOW AN ASSISTED That's correct. That's correct. OK. All right.

3:21:02Speaker 32

Thank you. What's your feeling, Commissioner Gruber? Do you want to explore through the P3 process or go with the Y exclusively for 60 days?

3:21:15 – 3:21:28Speaker 31

My heart says go with the Y. My brain is saying do the P3 process so we can see really all the options out there. Including the Y. Including the Y, yes, and have the Y go with, you know. Okay. All right, good.

3:21:28Speaker 32

So Commissioner Shuham hasn't spoken yet, so we'll let her go ahead, and then we'll have a second round from Commissioner Hernandez. Sure.

3:21:37 – 3:21:49Speaker 47

Thank you, Mayor. So it's my understanding that because the P3 hasn't been advertised or noticed or anything, that there is no time constraints, right, as far as us making any decision on this? How does that work?

3:21:51 – 3:22:21Speaker 50

Right. So there is no, I mean, there is, the time clock starts ticking once we notice it. But I think in, that we have a, a general obligation to be responsive to people who have invested money in putting together a proposal and time in meeting with staff, listening to you all from the real estate workshop or the real estate presentation last year, and working through and submitting a proposal.

3:22:21 – 3:22:33Speaker 47

So my question is, is there, when you do, if you just go with option one, can the city include in the process minimum requirements like housing and things like that? How does that work?

3:22:33 – 3:23:51Speaker 50

So the notice in the state statute is not very prescriptive on this. It indicates that we must publish notice within the administrative register and then a newspaper of general circulation. And it basically, what we have done in the past, we have published that notice with broad parameters of what we have received a development that includes mixed-use housing, retail, commercial, public open space, a community center, the list that we just provided to you all. And we are willing to accept similar proposals. We then generally put a website or a link information as we have in the past. And in that additional information and pre-proposal conference, the additional information and guidance on the types of things that we're interested in, the fact that the community would, the Commission is interested in understanding if a YMCA could be part of a larger development proposal. They want recreational facilities. You know, all of that information then is compiled and put together.

3:23:52 – 3:24:11Speaker 47

In that process, can you also be very specific and say, this is hypothetical obviously, but that the city is interested in either a high-end grocery store chain or the YMCA so that you're not limiting competition, but you're making it clear that those are two priorities?

3:24:14 – 3:24:54Speaker 50

You can. I will tell you that the more prescriptive, and Mike McShea is here from CBRE, and of course they do this around the country, the more prescriptive that you are, the less the fewer proposals you will receive yeah you know now that may be a good thing or a bad thing but it's just important to note that the more you uh get very specific about what you want um the the likelihood if that is not market responsive you may not receive that and and absolutely in the past the city has done rfps in which we have not received any proposals okay i'm fine with one

3:24:56Speaker 32

All right, thank you. Commissioner Hernandez, then Vice Mayor Kaleri. And I think we have a consensus generally on this option one here. Go ahead, Commissioner Hernandez.

3:25:05 – 3:25:23Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. I have, Ms. Woods, if I could ask you a question. And I'll ask the question. You can think about it on your way up. What's the revenue of the Hollywood YMCA, if you have those numbers on a yearly basis?

3:25:23Speaker 48

I do. They're about $4 million annual revenue.

3:25:27 – 3:26:03Speaker 25

$4 million. That's your revenue. And then from that, you have to provide the services that you provide and pay everybody else insurance and what have you. Absolutely. That's a tough one to do. Thank you. That was the one question that I had. How much would a YMCA be willing to pay? And I'm not saying to do that on a project like this. What do you pay a year on a project that we're looking at right now, which you left the picture up there, so I'm using that one as an example. The one in Systrunk would have been a better example for me because you have different amenities. But what do you guys pay a year for that, if you have that answer?

3:26:03Speaker 48

The debt on that building?

3:26:05Speaker 25

No. What do you pay in rent or taxes? Rent.

3:26:10Speaker 48

To rent this particular YMCA? Yeah. This will probably be about a $6 million YMCA.

3:26:16Speaker 25

That you would pay in rent?

3:26:18Speaker 48

Not in rent. That would be the operating revenue of that.

3:26:21Speaker 25

Well, that would be the revenue.

3:26:23Speaker 48

We went out and got a loan for that particular property.

3:26:27Speaker 25

So you purchased that property. What was the price of that property?

3:26:29Speaker 48

We did not purchase the property. It's a 50-year land lease agreement with the city.

3:26:34Speaker 25

And what do you pay the city?

3:26:37Speaker 25

OK, that was my question. Zero. That's what I wanted to know.

3:26:40Speaker 25

Do you pay property taxes on that structure?

3:26:43 – 3:27:03Speaker 25

Okay. So zero net gain when it comes to that. That's one of the questions that I wanted to know. Now, my other question is for our staff. What is the projected tax revenue from the site that we got right now? And if we have the expert from CBRE, if he could provide something like that as an estimate. I'm not holding anybody down to anything.

3:27:05 – 3:27:34Speaker 50

So, I mean, it's important to note, and I think you know this, that currently the site generates no tax revenue for the city. In the future, obviously, the tax revenue would be dependent on what development is, you know, placed there. And it's very hard to kind of ballpark that, but CBRE has, you know, at least looked at the site in terms of what they believe the current land value is, and they could certainly come forward with that.

3:27:34 – 3:28:13Speaker 25

And that would be what I would ask. And the reason why is because we basically have a proposal right now at P3. And so even if it's just an estimate tax base on that would probably give us an idea of what we're looking for. And I'll come back to where I'm trying to go with the why, but thank you. And by the way, the reason that I ask that the Cistron property would probably be a better property, a better example, if you want to go back to that, now that you've got the clicker there, because I'm going to, okay, right there. Oh, the other one. That one right there for YMCA, Mitchell, Sistrunk. You have several tenants on that property, correct?

3:28:14 – 3:28:28Speaker 48

We have Broward College. We have the retail along the ground floor. And we have a preschool, all of which are at a price point to drive building community.

3:28:28Speaker 25

Correct. But you have tenants.

3:28:32Speaker 48

We have tenants.

3:28:33Speaker 25

Do you pay property taxes on that property?

3:28:36Speaker 48

Those tenants that are doing a business, yes.

3:28:40 – 3:29:11Speaker 25

OK. And the reason that I'm asking this question is because if there is any way for us to be able to support the Y and have a revenue stream come off of it, not necessarily out of the Y, but a revenue stream come off of that, then it would be a win-win. It would be a win for the community, and it would be a win for the city of Hollywood because we would be getting some revenue out of that. And that's the reason I said that would be a better example. So those are the things that I'm trying to drive to. But at the same time, now I need to have the other gentleman come up and tell us what. Go ahead. Do you want to say something?

3:29:11Speaker 48

Well, I was just going to say, I don't know how you put a price tag on touching the lives of about 12,000 people.

3:29:18 – 3:29:55Speaker 25

I'm going to tell you how we'll put a price on that. Because if that gentleman over there tells me that we can get X amount of money in revenue, then maybe if we just give you a million dollars a year for the low to moderate income people that we have in here that cannot afford to go to the Y, and pay them their tuition to go to the Y or their monthly fees to go to the Y, then that's how we can help the Y. And you follow what I'm saying? Because there are a lot of people that- We're still going to need a new Y, sir. I understand that. And that's a bigger issue. But my point to you is there's a lot of people today that would love to be able to go to the Y that they cannot afford to go to the Y.

3:29:56Speaker 48

then they haven't really talked to us because we.

3:29:59Speaker 25

Some of them may be ashamed to come to you and says, I can't send my kids to the Y because I can't afford it. And that may be a message that we may work together.

3:30:06Speaker 48

We need to tell that better message then.

3:30:08Speaker 25

And by the way, I'm not currently, but I was a Y member since I was 18 years old.

3:30:15 – 3:30:39Speaker 25

And for many, many years. And I remember when that building was built. So some people say the building is 40 years old. I'm not sure that the building is 40 years old, because I was older than that. But nonetheless, if I am, the new addition of the building is not that old. And it cannot be, because I don't think I was as old as I am. Well, maybe I'm older than I thought. But nonetheless. Life keeps you young. You've got to keep going there.

3:30:40Speaker 48

That's right. Thank you.

3:30:41Speaker 25

But thank you.

3:30:42 – 3:30:56Speaker 25

Thank you so much. Yes, please. And my question is not to trick anybody, and it's not a loaded question, is what's the potential for that site to generate in property taxes?

3:30:56 – 3:32:02Speaker 23

So thank you. Mike McShay with CBRE. And I'll just – we've only studied it very shortly since the proposal came in recently, but my – My inclination is that it really will depend on the density and use that is achieved on the site. Based on everything that we've seen in the market today, my estimate is somewhere between $11 and $15 million is the fee simple value of the site as it sits today. And it will, of course, depend on the density, how much residential could potentially be on the site, commercial uses, et cetera. Following that, what we typically do once we've established what the value for the site is, we will look at the development as it's completed, and then we will apply the mill rate that you all would charge for real estate taxes to that to make a formal estimate of what we think you will receive over the term of the ground lease. So very preliminary today, but I'm comfortable that the site is quite valuable and that you all could really have a significant benefit if you were to put this site out to market.

3:32:03Speaker 25

And I don't disagree with you. And what would that significant benefit be? Give me a ballpark. You can go from 1 to 10 or whatever.

3:32:11Speaker 23

Well, I'm not sure. The question is the value.

3:32:14Speaker 25

The value of it.

3:32:15 – 3:32:36Speaker 23

I think it's $11 to $15 million. Per year? No, the value typically we would apply to that $11 to $15 million of value. Usually we would apply a, I'll call it a rent constant for establishing what the rent could be with 6%, so $660,000 to $900,000 a year.

3:32:36 – 3:32:53Speaker 25

In taxes? No, that would be in rent, and then on top of that would be tax. I'm trying to say, and I know you're not a property tax appraiser, but if you were to just go to the $11 million that we currently have there, what would be the tax revenue for something like that?

3:32:54Speaker 23

I'd be reluctant to tell you that right now. I can get back to you with that.

3:32:57Speaker 25

That's $70,000 per million, $75,000 per million.

3:32:59Speaker 23

So that's $700,000 in taxes, additional property taxes. That's correct.

3:33:12 – 3:33:40Speaker 25

My point is a substantial amount of money that we're looking at if the Y comes into play and it's a zero net gain. However, if it gets incorporated into a development and it's a developer that brings it in, then that developer will be the one paying the taxes and the rent for the site, which is different than if the Y is the one that's doing the development. I don't know if that makes any sense to you guys or not.

3:33:41 – 3:33:52Speaker 23

I think you're saying that as a 501c3, they would not be paying tax versus a developer that may have them as an occupant potentially be paying taxes, is what you're saying.

3:33:52 – 3:34:44Speaker 25

There's more than one way this can account. And what I've learned is the way you actually structure the deal is what makes sense. And we need to make this a win-win. I want to make this a win-win for the Y, but at the same time I want to make it a win-win for the residents of Hollywood because they utilize the Y, but at the same time they're getting a benefit of the tax that's coming in. So this is the reason why at the beginning I said what I said, that it was kind of broad and didn't commit to anything, but there's room in here to make this work. So let's see how we can make it work. I'm good with the P3 because now we can work with the people that will come in with the why, and the why has the ability to commend himself to do that. And that's the reason why I'm coming along with something like this. I don't have anything one way or the other. I'm just trying to make it whether it's a win-win for the residents on both sides, if it's possible. I understand. Thank you so much.

3:34:44Speaker 32

Yes, sir. Thank you. Vice Mayor Kaleri.

3:34:47 – 3:35:37Speaker 49

Hopefully we could wrap this up. So first of all, thank you everybody for engaging on this discussion. It really seems like it's focusing around the why, but ultimately it seems like it's focusing about the community and what our community wants. So here's my problem. Two issues. One, if I were to take the Boys and Girls Club out of the West and put it somewhere else, it would impact the residents. If I were to take the Armory or the PAL out of where it's currently at, it will affect the residents, because a lot of people adapt to commonality. So that's why a proponent to keep the Y within its region and by the train station because it's multi-use. It's a multimodal. You can get there from the tri-rail location. It's by parks. It's by the golf course. That's number one.

3:35:37Speaker 50

Number two, if we put a P3 out, we stay with number one.

3:35:44 – 3:37:12Speaker 49

We are not giving direction. What we're doing is opening the door for a multitude of opportunities that maybe we're not aware of. and we can decline them. But if we provide direction today and say whatever comes before us must include the Y, even being creative to make sure that we get our funding so that we We constantly are talking about ways to move the city forward and keep our coffers up. This is an opportunity for us to say, this is the development we want. If you can go online and look up Tampa, St. Petersburg, they've taken the Y, built housing components, restaurants, and made it a synergy type of area. And so if that's the direction we want, I think that that's where we need to be specific. Because a P3, we're going to get a lot of different ideas, and it's going to make it even more challenging. This is our opportunity to say what we would like to see and give us a bigger opportunity to make sure that that's achievable. My biggest concern is making that decision today. We're not making it. I guess we're just opening it up, but we need to include the community as well. But I would say I would prefer if we all look at either option three, which is specific to whatever comes in must include the Y in some creative way at that site. That would be my.

3:37:12 – 3:43:24Speaker 32

So I'd like to chime in myself. I think you all know that during the conference meeting I mentioned how the Y serves as a big community center. You see senior citizens doing chair yoga and different kinds of exercises for their health and wellness. preschool kids coming in to get dropped off. You see kids playing basketball after school, summer camps, 24-7 exercise and working out for all ages, the different activities, the learning how to swim, the swim for Jenny, the swim safety, all the different things the Y does that Cheryl describes that you all know about that are irreplaceable and are really beneficial to a community. We all appreciate the Y. My kids played basketball there and grew up there. John Marino was a coach some years for my son. And so I mention that just because there's a sense of community and growing up that we all can reminisce about, about the YMCA. And we have the opportunity to create that and extend that forward for the decades ahead by leveraging a unique opportunity of available city property to make that happen. Hollywood Boulevard site, even though it's a prime site and is obviously very befitting of appropriate retail for a high volume roadway and for all of its accessibility. Imagine a beautiful YMCA there. It would be such a centerpiece, just like the courthouse would have been standing alone, a real centerpiece for that corner. But a centerpiece in this way that really supports the broader community. I think accessibility on Hollywood Boulevard would make the Y even that much more busy. and just open and aware to the broader community. Right now, the Y is really hidden on Taft Street. If you know it's there, you know it's there. But otherwise, if you don't drive that segment of Taft, you have no idea that a YMCA exists in the city of Hollywood unless you're searching for it online. But on Hollywood Boulevard, just imagine with everybody going to and from work every day and passing through the boulevard and they can get their exercise in, I can just imagine that YMCA would be even busier than the $6 million Fort Lauderdale endeavor. And I know Cheryl kind of understands that, because even though we're hidden right now on Taft Street, it's a $4 million facility. And she said the busiest one so far before Fort Lauderdale's new one. But what I also understand is that we would want the Y plus on that corner. And that's kind of what we all talked about. I think in order to achieve that, Cheryl, you need to have structured parking, because if it's just the YMCA and it's 50,000 square feet and it's required parking, then you're taking up a lot of the otherwise useful opportunity for additional uses and taking it up as service parking. So I think the development that ought to come here needs to include structured parking that works for the YMCA and then enables these other additional uses, whether it's housing of some type or additional commercial uses that make both uses work. Because I'm afraid that if it's just the Y and it's necessary parking, then you're really not leaving much else. to help gain the highest and best use and contribution of this site ought to provide for the city going forward. So I'm a real proponent of the YMCA. I want to see that in this proposal, if everybody's listening. That's my number one. But at the same time, I agree with commissioners who said, hey, that's great, and that's important. And yes, at the same time, I want to see a financial proposal to the city that is respectful of the value of this property and to the city's revenue requirements, whichever form of revenue that is for the proposer to propose, whether it's in a rent or another type of way to provide a return to the city. I think we can achieve that through the first option, through the unsolicited proposal process. I'd be fine, like Commissioner Coleri, Vice Mayor, with exploring the why first under the third option, give them 60 days, 90 days to show us what they propose. But at the same time, I understand with the rest of the commission that that can also still be achieved through option one. I do want to mention, though, that with us being, I think, collectively strongly feeling that the YMCA ought to be, well, it would be great to see it there. You know, I'm sure Cheryl's phone is going to start ringing even in the option one scenario. And I don't know how, Cheryl, you're going to balance, you know, people that are offering you different things and you selecting who to partner with on the option one. So at option two, if we rejected the proposal and went through an RFP, We could probably control what we marry up with the why as long as Cheryl provides what the why's requirements are. So there's different ways to skin this cat, but I'm fine with, you know, what the majority wanted in terms of, you know, flowing through the onslaught proposal process that way. City Manager likes that process. Our consultant is there as well. If you have confidence on bringing that forward, Ray Lynn, then I think I'm good with that direction because we don't want to sell ourselves short if for some reason the why doesn't pan out, even though I know 99% it would. This at least, you know, lets us continue the process and explore what the opportunities are. Remember, everyone, that we can also reject at the end all these proposals, all proposals that would come through and say, you know what? We don't like anything. We're going to do an RFP. So we can always, we're in control. But again, maybe I'm a little all over the place, but there's different ways to do this. For me, it's the YMCA plus more. I also think that with the YMCA, we also have the benefit of reimagining the old location. And whether that's townhomes or some other low-density residential, that would also, I think, be a nice contribution and relief to that area. Not that I think there's a feeling of a lot of stress, but YOU GET TWO PROPERTY, TWO SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE Y PARTNERSHIP VERSUS JUST THE ONE. SO COMMISSIONER BEATEMAN?

3:43:24 – 3:43:43Speaker 34

SO MY CONCERN IS, FIRST OF ALL, MY CONCERN IS BLATANTLY SAYING WE COULD JUST THROW THEM OUT IS GOING TO MINIMIZE THE IMAGINATION OF OUR PROPOSALS. It's not going to put the, companies aren't going to put the investment into great proposals if they're afraid we're just going to throw them out.

3:43:43Speaker 32

They have to be good enough.

3:43:44 – 3:44:55Speaker 34

That being said, I don't want to minimize the value of the YMCA because I'm not doing that. But there are so many other options out there that the Y can partner with. Broward County, when they redo the courthouse on Hollywood Boulevard, could do a partnership with the YMCA. We have the FDOT property on Sheridan Street 95. You brought up this train station. They could do a partnership with the Y. They're looking to redevelop that site. Hollywood Hills Elementary School has land that can be partnered with the Y. And best of all, save the best for last, they've already partnered with Shane and Broward Health. What about all that vacant land to the east of the hospital that they bought all those residential properties for future development? Why can't those vacant parcels be turned into a Y? check with Shane. There's a huge, vast green space there with vacant residential land that could be turned into a Y. I think that's worth looking at. So I don't know if there's complications to that. It just popped in.

3:44:56 – 3:58:13Speaker 32

Well, there's a lot of partnership opportunity. I think it's no secret that the Y done a partnership with Broward Health. And there's already been conversation with Shane with regards to whether or not the South Broward Hospital District could be interested in doing something at the Hollywood Boulevard corner with the Y. That's another opportunity. All right, Raelynn, we've talked a lot. I think the majority wants to go forward with option one, which is to accept unsolicited proposal and continue with the P3 process with a great emphasis that you've heard today about the YMCA participating and providing a win-win result that would really be exciting for the city. All right, thank you all so much. That concludes the presentation. Why don't we go ahead and take a 10-minute break. Recess. and then we'll have citizen comments at 5 p.m. All right, next on our agenda is 5 PM citizen comments. Ann Ralston. Michael Seltzer.

3:58:19 – 4:01:26Speaker 57

It amazes me that we just spent almost two hours on a presentation that no vote was going to be taken. And we've got 4 PM items that developers are sitting here waiting for some of these items. And we have quite a bit of an agenda to go through still. So I'm glad I bought lots of crackers. I don't know why the meeting got changed from Wednesday, the normal Wednesday, till a Tuesday. Again, I agree with Michael about the meeting, the planning and development meeting, that they only had five people. We had to sit around and wait to get the quorum because it seemed to have to get pushed through. The questions that were answered, it seemed that they got shut down like it did on the historic board when Amand was doing that and was quite rude to the board members for simply asking questions. That's like getting the stuff pushed down our throats some more. And I find it fascinating that you're worried about getting revenue in on the police station when you gave yourselves a huge rage, Peter. I find that problematic. And then most of the time you wonder why the public isn't here or they don't seem to care or I'm just a naysayer, negative. A lot of people are at work because this is the time that we are at work. Five o'clock citizens' comments, they're leaving work, getting home from work, may have children, whatever. Adam, I'm sorry to say this, but the intersection finally had that fatality that we've been discussing. And I'm sorry for that poor family. And I know you've been pushing. So hopefully, maybe this will spur on something for that. So prayers to the family. And thank you for noticing that intersection. To me, I like the way that some of you up here will go, oh, we need low density. Maybe we could change the Y, that property, and have low. But it seems to me the only density you want to put happens to be on the barrier island. I don't know about how you think you're going to get all those high rises that seem to be getting pushed through or changing all these broad frameworks for zoning and whatever, why it's not site-specific, because that's what's going to happen. We are going to become the other sunny islands. You're going to ruin that beach. It's already almost ruined as it is. That quaint, wonderful hometown feel doesn't feel downtown, doesn't feel at the beach. I'm beside myself, and it's not because I don't agree with change. And yes, I do go see Andrea. I'll bet you don't know how many times I've been meeting with Andrea or in office here. Many of these things the public needs to know. And I'll see you next item. Michael Seltzer.

4:01:31Speaker 32

Followed by Elsa Pascoe.

4:01:41 – 4:04:41Speaker 22

I just want to talk briefly about the Hollywood Beach Resort. And I do have a client interested in developing it. But whoever gets the property, just remember, we want a five-star resort there. We don't want anything less than five stars. And we wanted to include the hotel, I think his name is Gary Jaffe's property, and the FDOT. And without that, we should never give anybody any more height or density than is on the books already. So when it comes up for a vote, if that doesn't happen, please remember what we all wanted when all this started. I won't be around, I don't think, when it's ever built, but you never know. In any case, as far as hotels go, we're on the right track as long as they're not high. And if you go around the airport in Fort Lauderdale, they're all about six or seven stories, 120 rooms, 150 rooms. Anything's better than a lot of the garbage. And people think it's quaint. I think you should go check to see what quaint is. It has to be new, refreshing. We have to draw people. We need money. We need taxes. The state is about to take away our money, and those hotels will pay taxes for our community, as far as P3s or RFPs go. And I've sat on several cities, at several cities, listening to this with different clients. The pictures don't count. Honest to God, you must see beautiful pictures. They don't count. What counts is money and experience. And you could have all the experience in the world. But if you don't have the money, you're going to get absolutely nothing. As far as Trader Joe's there, goes, the mayor of Aventura asked me to put Trader Joe's on a 14 acre property in Biscayne. They are absolutely impossible to deal with. They made the poor developer change his plans eight times, and then at the end told him they weren't interested. I don't know if the property here is a place for Trader Joe's, but I am persona non grata at Trader Joe's. Trust me, the CEO of the company does not like Michael Seltzer. And as far as steakhouses go, if I was younger, maybe. But I'm too old for that business. Good luck.

4:04:44Speaker 32

Elsa Pascoe, followed by Rudy Menendez.

4:04:58Speaker 58

Hello. How are you?

4:05:01 – 4:08:18Speaker 35

My name is Elsa. I am living in Hollywood for 25 years old. My daughter born here. I am here because I'm terrified by everything is happening in my neighborhood. For 25 years I living in Hollywood, I think so was safe. But right now after I suffer a robber, somebody trespassing my home, and I hear a news. was in the morning on June 11 at 11 AM. The young man broke my door, the glass of my door, the window. He throw all my closet, and he took all my jewelry and my safe box. with approximately probably $60,000 in gold jewelry on my papers. I saw that my house was safe. I fill a report. They took my fingerprints. The fingerprints, they told me that it's going to take nine months to get the fingerprints of the people who trespassed in my home, because if he doesn't have criminal records, nothing is going to do. Furthermore, there are many places right now like a swap shop, like they buy gold without asking driver license or taking fingerprints or sign anything. So this lack of regulation is making this trip even more unscrupulous and dangerous. But what worries me the most is that the police seem that they have already given up. They tell me, there are many young people watching that description, and there is nothing that we can do. That is like me saying, I won't do anything for the patient because they're going to die anyway. than why I am studying. So they are really telling me that a few gentries are more powerful than our police department. The city is getting out of hand. We are doing nothing. We are surrounding without fighting for our safety. Two years ago, there was sharing in the apartment next to my door. And they strayed the ballot into my daughter's bedroom. through the window, past the bed, and envelop itself in the piano. I have called the police many times. After that, I called the police many times telling that I hear someone inside of my house, but they keep saying, oh, no one is there. They were wrong. One day I hear someone breathing outside of my window. I don't know what happened after that because the police say nothing happened. Now I have a detective, a police team assignment to my case, but I don't have answers. They are very busy. They have many cases. Even I live over here 25 years. They say that they're too long to respond to do nothing. Now I have neighborhood and ring up in my camera because I put cameras, alarm system, glass breaking sensors, everything. And I receive videos from young people Thank you, Ms. Pascoe.

4:08:18 – 4:08:32Speaker 32

Your time is up, but what I would like for you to do is speak with someone from Hollywood Police Department about these issues, and they'll help you out. Okay. Thank you so much for getting here. Thank you. I don't have the card anymore. Rudy Menendez, followed by Siobhan McLaughlin.

4:08:34 – 4:11:37Speaker 17

Good afternoon, Mayor, Commissioners. I'm here because of, The trash on the drawbridge in Hollywood, I drive through there every day. And I see the same bottles, the same trash. And I confronted somebody in public works. He gave me his business card, asked me to send him an email, which I did. And he responded, is it in the north or south? I said, it's in both. And he never responded back. And so I called the city. I spoke to a lady named Nancy. I said, can I speak to the mayor? I never got a response. So that's why I'm here now. But the issue I have is the trash on the drive. I would pick it up myself. Because I walk a lot on Hollywood on the boardwalk. And I take a bag with me. So for me, it's not an issue. I'm just afraid of getting hit by a car with the way people drive down here. That's why I won't go on the bridge. But the other issue is I went to see a chiropractor one time on Hollywood Boulevard, just west of the railroad tracks. And I could not believe the trash there. You know the trees? I guess they put some trees up and I guess there's these metal grates. I don't even know what to call them. There's just so much trash under them. I'm like, I can't believe this. I travel a lot. I go to third world countries. And it's just shocking for me to see some of this stuff. And then lastly, I didn't know it belonged to Hollywood. I thought it belonged to Hollandale. But if you go down Hollandale Beach Boulevard, you go over the bridge, and you hit A1A, and there's a water tower there, right? If you hang a left going north towards Hollywood, There is a 7-Eleven, past the 7-Eleven, and there's a building there. And then after that, there's a little strip center. There's a Bank of America right there on the corner. And on the other corner is a strip mall. If you go down that street, you would not believe the trash. I'm saying, I used to live in a beach club. And I don't recall seeing stuff like this. So I started asking the store owners. I'm like, how do you people put up with this? They said it's the homeless people. They defecate. It's disgusting. There's like six shopping carts back there with trash in the shopping carts. And I'm like, I cannot believe this. This is A1A. I mean, I've been living down here for 30 years. And I'm here to see if you people will help. I mean, you people are in positions of power. I know if I was commissioner or mayor, I'm ex-military. I just wouldn't tolerate it. I put so much pressure on Public Works to keep the city clean. And that's pretty much it. I don't know what else to say. I would appreciate your help in this matter.

4:11:37Speaker 32

I appreciate you letting us know about these things. The director of Public Works was sitting right there listening to all that you said. And we're going to make sure that he addresses it.

4:11:44Speaker 17

All right. Thank you, Mayor. Appreciate it.

4:11:46Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. Siobhan McLaughlin, followed by Diana Pitarelli.

4:11:51 – 4:13:41Speaker 41

Good afternoon mayor commissioners city staff and residents Siobhan McLaughlin 1409 Rodman Street I shared a post earlier today from next door with chief Devlin a director O'Brien and city manager story commending an HPD officer who helped a resident find a new dock in the box apparently the one she went to on State Road 7 and Hollywood Boulevard near the Walmart was closed and the police officer even though he was busy with helping helping somebody actually found her the address of a new place, and she was very appreciative. So it was really wonderful to hear nice things about HPD, and kudos to that officer and the staff. But I'm here today about a different matter. I'm concerned that there's a new process for the gateway signs, especially over in Highland Gardens and Emerald Hills. Besides the lousy installation on Pembroke Road, the sign looks great. So what is the effect, quote, unquote, that the upper city management and certain commissioners want to achieve with changing the process? Long after public input that took place, multiple city meetings, public outreach, the time and effort by staff, and the actual production of the signs, it needs to be redone now. I'm not sure why. What was the cost of the first round for this project? And what's the estimated cost for this new round? It just seems that this is just a really bizarre process. After you've been through the process, ready for installation, now we're going to start back from scratch. Given the uncertainty of revenue for the next year, perhaps squandering money to redo a project like this is not appropriate nor wise use of our funds. And a more transparent and robust discussion now before it gets any further would be the best course of action. Thank you.

4:13:43Speaker 32

Thank you. Diana Pitarelli followed by David Pinnell.

4:13:48 – 4:16:54Speaker 38

Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commissioners. I'm back again regarding the Dunes. Thank you, Commissioner Hernandez, for refunding me the $67 for getting those documents that I wanted to look at regarding the Dunes. I appreciate that. And two commissioners actually contacted me to make sure I met with Lee Gottlieb, which you can see I did because I'm sitting in the same aisle with the gentleman as now, today. However, there is a big however, folks. I had told you that I had spoken to Mr. Kroll from Public Works. And first, I thought he was an arborist. But he's not an arborist. But that's OK. He's still a great guy, very nice, and got right back to me. However, I cannot believe the city is known as a tree city and doesn't have an arborist. Is that really the case? I mean, I find that to be almost like a little humorous. But anyway, you don't have an arborist. Mr. Kroll said that the trees had been dug out. Well, you guys had me meet with Mr. Gottlieb. Mr. Gottlieb will tell you today that those trees have not been dug out. And he's going to come up and ask you something else, which I won't get into because he's got his own agenda to talk to you about. But I found out from Mr. Gottlieb that if these... Coconut palms die because of the sand around the roots, that they will not be replaced with coconut palms. Commissioner Hernandez is saying yes. I mean, hello, did anybody ever tell the public this? I mean, I'm not kidding. I sit in these meetings that I've been on P&D and historic. And I'm telling you, if you change a door, you let the public know. There's nobody in these condominiums. And let me tell you, all of you are smart enough. You've ran campaigns. You know what you're doing. Do you really think that by putting an agenda up for this that the people in these condominiums know what's going on? No, but when you did the streets on Surf Road, you posted notices all over the buildings. You've got to move your car. You can't park here. We're going to be putting down the street. But did you do anything like that regarding what you did with planning the dunes? Mr. Gottlieb also will tell you that he thinks that what you've done is kind of... Not really the whole package, what you should have done. Because now there's gaps. And all the water is going to come pouring through there with all the sand coming onto the broadwalk, almost in a more vicious way than if you didn't do it at all. So I'm telling you. I will be back, as I told you. I will be back. Three of you will be gone in November. I will still be here talking about this because this is unfair to the residents. And Mr. Gottlieb is trying to get me to adopt a dune. I should adopt a dune that I didn't do anything about to have put in. I should be responsible for it. The average age in my building is 70 years old, and he wants us to start digging out the trees. Thank you for your time. David.

4:16:59Speaker 32

David Pennell, followed by Lee Gottlieb.

4:17:04 – 4:19:10Speaker 13

Good evening, Mayor and Commissioners. My name is David Pennell. I'm a condo owner and resident at Regent Park in downtown 1900 Van Buren Street. I'm here because the quality of life and public safety in our neighborhood have declined due to repeated late night noise and disruptive behavior associated with downtown clubs, including Fantasy Room, Pearl of the Island, and Monaco. Weekend after weekend, residents are subjected to loud bass, shouting, car noise, and intoxicated patrons returning to their vehicles between 2 and 4.30 in the morning. This is not normal downtown activity. It is a recurring disturbance that prevents residents from sleeping and peacefully enjoying their homes. It also has become a public safety issue. Recently, or a few Saturdays ago, 4.30 in the morning, I was leaving for the airport via an Uber, and I was nearly struck by what appeared to be a drunk driver swerving all over the road. Obviously, he just left Fantasy Room. I extend an open invitation to the mayor, commissioners, city staff, code compliance, and law enforcement leadership to visit the corner of 19th and Van Buren. between 2 and 4.30 AM on a weekend. Please witness firsthand what residents experience for yourself. Daytime inspections and written complaints do not fully capture the problem. At the same time, residents have lost street parking access previously available through the citywide parking permit, while spaces around Regent Park are frequently occupied by patrons of the same establishments that are creating these disturbances. Downtown Hollywood can support nightlife, but not at the expense of residents' sleep, safety, and quality of life. So I invite you to come to 19th and Van Buren one weekend and see the show. And I thank Peter for emailing and talking to me and all this previously. And I'm here because of that. So thank you.

4:19:13Speaker 32

Lee Gottlieb, followed by Brian Schuster.

4:19:23 – 4:22:17Speaker 6

Well, I have good news. With the completion of the Hollywood, Hallandale, Dania Beach, and now Deerfield Beach projects, the county will be close to its 80% dune coverage on our beaches in Broward County. So although we do have some issues here in Hollywood that we need to address, I did have an opportunity to walk the broad walk with Kevin and Carol and discuss some of the issues that we have. had a chance to meet with some of the residents along the way. They have some concerns. For the most part, though, most of the people are in favor of what we did. There are a lot of people that are concerned that we're not addressing their issues. So the reason I wanted to walk the beach was I wanted to see firsthand what it looked like. And I think that the quality of the product was adequate. There are some changes that have been made and need to continue to be made. But specifically, the issue of the coconut trees needs to be addressed immediately. If we don't, most of them will die. I had an opportunity with one of the residents who gave me a hard time about the dunes. He was adamantly against it. And I asked him, what ultimately is your concern? He said, the coconut trees. And I said, OK, great. What do you want to do about it? And he said, well, what can we do about it? And I said, adopt your dune, and tomorrow we'll dig it out. And that's what we did. We went out there and spent three hours digging out three trees. It was a lot of work. I had an opportunity to go out with staff the following week to discuss some of the issues. And my biggest concern is planting dunes is easy. Maintaining them is hard. And you've created a monster on your beach. And if you don't maintain it, it'll turn into a big problem for all of us. So contained within the Dune Master Plan are specific items of what needs to be done. We don't need to recreate it. We already have the document in hand. And as I've offered many times, Adopt a Dune is willing, with our nonprofit affiliates, to help the city dig out approximately 500 palm trees. 500. I don't think it's feasible to expect volunteers to do that. But with collaboration with the city public works, thank you, Joe, we will start to hit these palm trees one at a time. The issue that remains right now is some of these palm trees are in the dunes. And we are not going to go in the dunes. The ones that are out, no problem. But the ones in the dunes, you need to go to the county and get permission. Because the last thing we want to do is have an issue with the contractor saying you're voiding your warranty by going into these dunes. So that problem still needs to be resolved. I have people that are waiting to help dig out the palm trees immediately. We just need staff to kind of get things moving forward.

4:22:19Speaker 32

No, no, not removing the palm tree, just digging around the area.

4:22:22 – 4:22:40Speaker 6

We're digging it out. We're digging it out. It was as much as four feet buried in the sand. It's a lot of work. I don't know. Those are questions you have to ask staff, but I'm here to help again, and any way I can help, let me know. Thank you.

4:22:42Speaker 32

Thank you, Lee. Brian Schuster, followed by Andre Brown.

4:22:56 – 4:24:09Speaker 18

Hello, Mayor, Commissioners. I'm up here because I have a broken piece of sidewalk. It's been broken since I lived there, and there was a lawsuit against me and the city in 2021. Someone broke their arm, and the lawsuit against me was dropped. But I think the lawsuit of the city, I don't know what happened, but I think there was some settlement with the city. The sidewalk's still broken and we took pictures today. It's like at least three inches high in this one spot. I'm at 1458 Jackson Street and it's at the corner of 15th and Jackson. 15th gets more of the traffic and that's where I've seen people, you know, fly out of strollers and, you know, from that sidewalk. So I called in 2021. I have some numbers related to the work orders in 2021. But the most recent number was 5568529. Apparently it's in Granicus. And I just don't know how to get it fixed. And in a deposition, I was kind of like warned not to touch the sidewalk because then I'd be liable. So I feel like, you know, I need help from the city to remedy it. So I'm here just talking about it.

4:24:09Speaker 32

All right. Well, now that you've put us on notice, it'll be handled ASAP.

4:24:13Speaker 32

Thank you. Andre Brown. And the last speaker, Christina Hampton.

4:24:31 – 4:27:14Speaker 15

Mayor, commissioners, city manager, and to all my brothers and sisters, first of all, As far as the raises up here where the commissioners received, two of the commissioners didn't want the raise, so they still got the raise, even though they didn't vote on it, if nobody don't know on this planet where we live on. The other thing, too, on Pembroke Road in my area, a Highland Garden area, a sign been put up. I like the sign in my community. I don't care how much money it costs. We deserve it. The beach get what they want. Now, getting to the important part, Commissioner Vellman, I'd like to know who privatized that trash facility out there on 56th Avenue. You work with Bean Fur. So who privatized, who signed the paperwork for that place to be privatized out there? because I go out there and talk to those guys out there, and it says that someone in that office up there privatized out there. There used to be Brabant County employees there. Now they don't privatize it. Same thing happened with our sanitation department. Now, let's talk about the parks, Brabant County Parks. Who authorized a city, Hollywood City Commissioner, to pass our campaign literature in a Broward County park. Who authorized that? That's not right. That's not right. You can't do whatever you want to do because you're running for office. Respect the law of the land. Campaigning is not to do whatever you want to do. That's disrespectful out there campaigning. And then you had an association out there that gets a 501c3 at T.Y. Park. Mayor, and someone left campaign literature in a city facility. What's going on here? We're starting to do whatever we want to do. I know a lot of people don't like what I say. I don't care. Nobody going to tell Andre Brown to shut up. I'm not that. Because the people, the voters must know the truth, and I'm going to tell them the truth. I got receipts. I have receipts.

4:27:17 – 4:27:31Speaker 32

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Andre. All right, Christina Hampton, final speaker. Okay, thank you. Thank you. I mean, you're welcome to speak. You came here to speak on something. Please.

4:27:46Speaker 49

Just say your name.

4:27:48 – 4:30:32Speaker 53

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak today. My husband and I, along with neighbors, have been struggling with decisions that were greatly affecting our neighborhood. We feel as if we were not properly informed. For years, I attended city meetings, participated in outreach programs, submitted public records requests to better understand what the hospital's plans are. I repeatedly ask if any chance that our street would possibly be open after living there for 27 years and it being a dead end. I also asked why the hospital did a traffic study, and they stated to me that it was for the record. So the city informed me that there's no records that indicated it being open. Then after I saw asphalt was already being laid, we learned the plans had changed. At first, we were told the road would only be open during construction to accommodate contractors. And even then, I would understand how that would work. Our neighborhood streets, alleyways, were never designed for heavy construction traffic. It's not Taft Street, 35th, or Johnson Street. Those roads have traffic signals, turning lanes, traffic police officers at peak times. Our street doesn't even currently have a working street light. Today, I'm dealing with dump trucks, semi-trucks, heavy equipment, construction workers, contractors traveling through our neighborhood. Beginning at 5 a.m., many of the vehicles are speeding. The loss of many beautiful mature trees once we defined our neighborhood. We've also had contractors' office staging heavy equipment and employee parking. This has changed the character of our neighborhood in ways we never expected. We were told several times that our street would not be open, and that has been very difficult for us. We are also dealing with homeless people moving in. I watched police with guns drawn remove a homeless man across the street. I'm sure that this is not the only one, but this is the one that I witnessed and that we had reported. It's very unsettling. We are not opposed to progress. We want the hospital to proceed with whatever they're doing. We also always wanted the children's hospital to be there to save people's lives. We're simply in our neighborhood and want transparency, honest communication, thoughtful planning. We respectfully ask you to consider closing our roadway from the west side of 3325 Garfield and still allow them to have access to need and protect our neighborhood from becoming a permanent access route to the hospital and help reduce congestion and improve safety on Park Road. Thank you for your time and your service and your consideration. I really appreciate everything you do.

4:30:33 – 4:31:00Speaker 32

Thank you, Christina. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes citizens' comments. Thank you for coming in to speak. The city manager and staff have been listening to all that you all have said, and so have we. What time do we have? 534. I'd like to extend a moment of privilege to Commissioner Biederman, who has some presentations to make on behalf of some community members that he would like to recognize.

4:31:01Speaker 34

Mayor, do we have a small item? Somebody's next door. They went to the wrong building.

4:31:04Speaker 32

Oh, yeah? Do we have a small item? Solid Waste Authority? That could be a small item. That's not it. Mayor Ryan's been here since the morning.

4:31:11Speaker 34

That's not it. Somebody's next door, but I just told them.

4:31:15 – 4:32:15Speaker 32

Yeah, yeah, I get it. Let me just, I was trying to, you know, liven things up here. Hold on. Where's that at? What number? Number 50? Let's see. Let's go 49 and 50. Well, 49. Let's go 50. All right, 50. 50. Resolution of the City Commission of the City of Hollywood authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute applicable documents with CBiz, CPAs, PC for external auditing services for the second optional renewal and to increase the contract from $1.3 million and change to $1.9 million and change in accordance with the procurement code. That's a pretty hefty increase on the renewal. Let's have staff explain. And we have a public speaker, Ann Ralston. But first, Raelynn, could you just have Department of Financial Services or someone explain the renewal and why the increase, the substantial increase?

4:32:16Speaker 50

Yes. Coming forward.

4:32:18 – 4:32:29Speaker 32

It's Ms. Tinsley. It's been a long day. It's OK. We love you. You go ahead. She was going right. I know.

4:32:32 – 4:33:54Speaker 2

Stephanie Tinsley, the director of financial services for the city of Hollywood. Good evening, city manager, mayor, vice mayor, city manager, and commission. The renewal for CBiz is our audit firm that does our annual audit. And so the increase is about $600,000. It's a two-year renewal. This is the final renewal. So it's $300,000 each year. They are allowed by contract to go up 3%. They went up one year for $2.75, if I remember the numbers correctly. I can look it up. and another year for 2.74. So they stayed within the realm of the original contract. So that's the reason for the increase. As well as they have, over time, our needs have also increased. So they do the surtax audit. There's other special audits. The GASBs have grown. Yeah, when I started in the accounting world, it was like GASB 33, 34. It's now GASB 104 that we're implementing. And so I'm not that old, but it's a number of GASBs every single year that we have to implement. And so they audit for that, too, as well.

4:33:58Speaker 32

Thank you. Let's hear from public speaker, Ann Ralston.

4:34:04 – 4:34:28Speaker 57

Just real quick, is this going to increase? It's almost a $700,000 increase. If it's for two years, is that what I heard you say? Okay, then that's kind of more acceptable for over a two-year period. But is this $300,000 going to happen each year? I know you can't have a crystal ball, but that's kind of a hefty jump for an audit. So that's all I'm.

4:34:30Speaker 32

All right, we have a motion and a second. We have a motion and a second to approve the item. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item carries unanimously. Kevin, are we here?

4:34:40Speaker 32

All right. Commissioner Biederman, moment of privilege.

4:34:43 – 4:36:32Speaker 34

Thank you, Mayor. So I'm not taking up too much time. This is going to be my commission comments for the day. One of my goals has always been to bring people together and showcase incredible businesses that we have throughout the city, especially on the Hollywood's west side. So after 14 years of thinking about it, I was able to finally bring together the inaugural District 5 Taste of the West Side. And it was more than just a food event. It was an opportunity to celebrate our diverse cultures, support our local restaurants, and remind everyone that some of the best food in South Florida can be found right here in Hollywood and our neighborhoods. Tonight, I'm honored to recognize three businesses that generously donated their time, talent, delicious food to help make this event such a tremendous success. for our commission and community. Their support helped create an evening filled with great food, great conversation, and great community spirit. I understand people even brought Tupperwares to get leftovers home. On behalf of the city of Hollywood and the residents of District 5, thank you for investing in our community and helping to make the inaugural Taste of the West Side a memorable event. I look forward to making this an annual tradition. from that side. So to start out, I'd like to recognize Juicy Patties. While their name is Juicy Patties of Davie, you can come on up. They are actually in the city of Hollywood. But we're lucky enough to have two Juicy Patties in Hollywood city limits. I'm going to let you tell the address. One is on the corner of 441 and Hollywood Boulevard, and one is on the corner of Griffin Road and 441.

4:36:32 – 4:36:47Speaker 3

Yes, I'm located at 4860 South State Road 7, just right on the corner of 441 and Griffin Road. The other Hollywood location is close to the Walmart. I'm sorry, I don't remember that address.

4:36:47Speaker 34

You need to give your name for the record also.

4:36:49Speaker 3

Cheyenne Holman.

4:36:51Speaker 34

So Miss Cheyenne Holman.

4:36:54Speaker 15

CHEYENNE HOLMAN JR.: Yes, sir.

4:36:55Speaker 34

So we have a frame certificate for you? CHEYENNE HOLMAN JR.: Yes.

4:36:58Speaker 15

If you want to come up, we can do the next one.

4:37:00Speaker 34

And then we will take a picture if my colleagues are willing to oblige.

4:37:05 – 4:37:16Speaker 32

We take a lot of pride in the fact that Hollywood was the city where Juicy Patty's opened its first United States franchise. So we wear the crown proudly.

4:37:19 – 4:38:13Speaker 34

So who's not here tonight is the proprietors of Papusa Thyme. They shared the authentic flavors of El Salvador. And we appreciate them being on 441. They moved locations, but they still stayed on the 7 in Hollywood. Finally, they're not here, but the mayor and I might go with Commissioner Quintana over there and have lunch one day and present their certificate. Finally, we have La Casita Tropical, the best, what do you call them again? Chicharrones in the world, apparently. Thank you for showcasing the rich flavors of the Caribbean and the Dominican Republic and always supporting our community. Please join us. And I have a certificate for you guys, too. And they're opening their second location in Hollywood in the Pinnacle Building.

4:38:16Speaker 32

Busiest restaurant in town.

4:38:17Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. There you go, guys. Thank you so much.

4:38:24Speaker 32

We'd love to hear from you for a minute. Open mic.

4:38:29 – 4:39:06Speaker 1

Well, first of all, we want to say thank you to the city of Hollywood for allowing us to be part of this. And second of all, for allowing us to helping us with everything, the whole renovation, the whole fire that we went through. It was a big process for us. And this was the best city. Thank God they gave us the full support. And I just want to thank each and one of you. And to everybody here, we just want to say thank you from La Casita Tropica. And La Casita Tropica is not stopping here. We are going to take it to another level. And we're going to be the next Chipotle. God first. All right, all right, all right. Thank you, guys. This is Cheyenne.

4:39:07Speaker 34

Hang on, hang on. We're going to take a picture of Ms. Cheyenne. Taking the Chicharronas National, baby.

4:39:14Speaker 1

Come over here. Oh, we're here? All right.

4:39:57Speaker 34

Sorry. Just in closing, when our local businesses succeed, our neighborhoods succeed, thank you for helping to make the West Side not just a great place to live, but a great place to dine, gather, and build our communities.

4:40:07 – 4:41:33Speaker 32

Thank you, Commissioner Biederman. All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is about quarter to six. We do have the 4 p.m. time certain item, which is the local government area of opportunity contribution decision with regards to the affordable housing. We do have the Solid Waste Authority that's been here since 1 o'clock. And then we've also got the two advisory boards that were noticed for 515. So I think in due fairness, we'll go ahead and do the 4 PM, the 515s, and then the Solid Waste Authority. And then pretty much the rest of the items are really internal city items. And so hopefully we'll get some of these folks to be able to go home. But let's go ahead then with item 33. Resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood committing to provide a conditional loan government area of opportunity contribution in the amount of $640,000 in support of an application to the Florida Housing Finance Corporation in response to its request for applications for 9% housing tax credits to support the development of new affordable housing units subject to the applicant's receipt of low-income housing tax credits and authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute all documents necessary to effectuate this resolution. This, of course, goes to our strategic plan focus area of quality of life and strong neighborhoods. Thank you to the Office of Housing and Community Development for bringing it forward. And with that, Ryan Coote.

4:41:33 – 4:45:51Speaker 16

Thank you, Mayor Levy. Commission, welcome again. Thank you, Commissioner Levy. I want to make sure, my focus right now is to provide the developers with the opportunity to share what they're proposing with the commission so you can make an informed decision. So I'll briefly go through a quick PowerPoint that really speaks about the importance of this actual RFA that the Florida Housing Finance Corporation put out, which has a pretty significant value this year for Broward County, because potentially we can get up to two different tax credit projects in Broward County this year. So this is a pretty big deal for the city of Hollywood. And we have three proposals that are both worthy from two developers who have done work in the city before, and they've had success. So allow me a few minutes before I call them up in order of their presentations. So as I mentioned, what you're doing today is providing one of three proposals with the local government area of opportunity distinction so that it will make their application for this RFA much more competitive. There are possibly two applicants, two awardees this year in Broward County. One of them will have this distinction, be rated higher that way, make it more competitive. Another one will also have this in addition to what they call the small, the difficult to develop small area distinction, or what they call the geographic area of opportunity. So as we go through this, I mention all these different things with the competitiveness of this actual year and why it's important that the commission select the proposal that they feel has the best opportunity to actually achieve success and bring these precious tax credits back to Hollywood and move forward in our mission to create more affordable housing. We have to consider the various aspects of this funding this year. As I mentioned, there are two possible awardees in Broward County. Each of them can possibly get up to $38 million in tax and revenue, which they would also receive other private dollars to create their capital stack to move this forward and develop affordable housing in the city of Hollywood. What we've built, what we've put together here is kind of a grid that showcases all three developments, Midtown Residence, Mosaic Hollywood, and Pinnacle Vista. As you can see, the evaluation criteria is taken directly from aspects of the RFA, right, so that the commission can look at these things and figure out which one makes the most sense. All three of these developments meet the criteria. They're all three are worthy. They're different things. They're the little nuances, but they're minor in the grand scheme of things. It's really and truly for the commission to hear what they have to say and which one you believe will have the most competitive edge once you give it this distinction to come back to Hollywood with this revenue. MIDTOWN RESIDENCES, IT'S ON POLK STREET, CLOSE TO THE CITY HALL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. ALL THREE HAVE SEWER ACCESS. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE CHECK INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THREE HAVE SEWER ACCESS. ALL THREE MEET THE AFFORDABILITY CRITERIA. ALL THREE ALSO MEET THE DIFFICULT AREA TO DEVELOP CRITERIA AS WELL, OR THE DISTINCTION THAT THEY CALL, LET ME MAKE SURE I SAY THAT RIGHT, IT'S CALLED Getting tongue-tied here. Government area of opportunity. So they all meet that. They all meet the geographic area of opportunity. They all meet that. All three are within the affordability period. And all three are, with the exception of one, do have the development readiness needed to complete an application. One already has an approved site plan. As you go through the final slide, before I have the different developers come on up and share about each of their developments, you can see here the basic schematics right here, where they're located, the site plan approval, the total units, the affordability levels, and the affordability period. So as you listen to these three projects, two of which are from HTG, one is from Pinnacle, it's important to commission really Examine what they're saying. Ask questions, because your decision today can only be for one, and that one will carry that distinction. It's going to give it a competitive edge once they get to that application process, which, by the way, is due August 12th of this year.

4:45:52Speaker 32

Ryan, I know when we had our one-on-one, you had gone through the criteria of the Florida Housing Finance Corporation itself.

4:46:03 – 4:46:24Speaker 32

On how they rank, because my understanding is that they rank through a point scoring process and then there's a lottery. Yes, sir. With regards to the scoring, is it your representation that they're all equal in terms of the scoring grid at the Housing Finance Corporation, or is one edge over another? Because in the end, we're at the behest of their decision, not ours.

4:46:25 – 4:47:16Speaker 16

Absolutely. I think all three are solid projects, all three. And they will bring value to Hollywood. However, there's one that has an approved site plan. That's part of what they call the development readiness. There's one that has that. However, I want to say this again, all three meet the criteria for how the state will judge based on who's the most competitive. Your decision today to give one of them that local government area of opportunity gives them that competitive edge. Bear in mind, all three also have the geographic area of opportunity and the small, difficult-to-develop area as well, too. All three carry that distinction. Hollywood is fortunate right now to have three very strong proposals before you.

4:47:16Speaker 32

Did we put ourselves in the shoes? Did you put yourself in the shoes of the... Housing Finance Corporation, and go through their checklist, and do the math, and see which one would score best?

4:47:26Speaker 16

TREVOR JOHNSON- Yes, sir. So what you're seeing right now, the evaluation criteria is pulled directly from how the state would judge this thing.

4:47:34Speaker 32

So you're saying everything looks equal, except development readiness. TREVOR JOHNSON- Correct. Yes, sir.

4:47:38Speaker 16

Like I said before, we are fortunate right now to have three very strong proposals. The only difference is one of them is development ready right now. I'm sorry, it has a site plan.

4:47:49Speaker 32

And that would just be another box to check.

4:47:51 – 4:48:19Speaker 16

That would definitely be a box to check. Because they all meet the small area to develop. They all meet those things. But with that being said, I think it's important that we hear from the two developers. I'm going to call up HTG first, and they'll discuss Midtown. And after that, they'll discuss Mosaic. And once they're done, we'll have Pinnacle come up and talk about Pinnacle Vista. And from there, the commission can deliberate and decide which one you believe is the one that you want to push forward with this designation.

4:48:19 – 4:48:32Speaker 32

Gotcha. Okay. We are fortunate to have these three and two great affordable housing developers here. So let's go ahead and welcome HTG. Ryan said you'd be up first with regards to Midtown and then Mosaic. Okay.

4:48:39 – 4:49:37Speaker 9

Good afternoon. Rodrigo Paredes, Housing Trust Group. I'm here just to say hi. We are giving you two different options. As many of you have spoken, know that, you know, we have two options because we want to see what, you know, we want to help the city. And I want to introduce one of our best developers, Mauricio Teran. He's going to talk about Midtown. He's as good as Ariel Fran, who you all know, who's going to talk about Mosaic. I just want to make a clarification to your question. To be honest, the three sides, even pinnacles, are going to be competitive business with, as it relates to Florida Housing, in the same boat. So it's going to be a lottery. So we're just hoping that Hollywood is the lucky lottery number. We're going to, we have, in my, what I can say about Housing Trust Group is that we have the good, lucky guys, because Ariel just had a baby, and Moe just, he's going to get married, so go.

4:49:37 – 4:50:15Speaker 30

All right. We've got luck all over the place here. And with that, we'll get started. Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner, City Manager. And I think they're going to pull up the presentation here shortly. But I'm here to present Midtown Residences, which is the first of HTG's two projects. So I'll give them one second. Thank you. So Midtown Residences is a proposed 86-unit affordable housing community located truthfully just steps from City Hall.

4:50:16Speaker 17

And actually, it should be able to.

4:50:20 – 4:56:57Speaker 30

So as you can see on the center image, the proposed community consists of four parcels, two larger parcels south of Polk Street, and two smaller parcels. The two southern parcels are about half an acre each, and the two northern parcels are basically oversized single-family lots. They're around 10,000 square feet. The two larger parcels will each have a four-story residential building, each with about 43 units, so 86 units total in the project, right across the street. And in that main two larger parcels, there's parking on the ground floor and units above. On the two smaller parcels right across the street, that's intended to act as overflow parking. The reason is that in each building it's 43 units. And in terms of parking, there's 33 spaces for each building with the excess parking being right across the street. So that's kind of the lay of the land. It's about a five-minute walk from where we are today. So one of the reasons why, you know, this property really excites us is it gives, you know, number one, it's very well located. It's near transit. It's near community services, grocery, pharmacy, things like that. As you can see on the left screen, that's actually an infrared jobs map from the US Census Bureau that shows the amount of jobs within this zip code. And as you can see, just in this little area, there's about 1,400 jobs. And that makes sense, right? Because we are here in a government center where there's departments and city employees. So why this excites us is because if you look at the right-hand image, you'll see the affordable housing properties within a mile of this site. And the closest is just around 0.7 miles away, which obviously is a very short drive, but it's really not walking distance. So again, this would provide a brand new modern community for city employees, but also just residents of the city of Hollywood. And a couple of other benefits I'll quickly touch on. It's expected to generate 133 temporary jobs during construction, up to four permanent jobs, and up to $106,000 annually in property tax revenue. And why that's important is because today, you know, those are basically four, let's say, single-family lots, even though there's up zone for this multifamily, and they're only generating around $20,000 annually in property taxes. So if this property were to be selected and developed, obviously that's a huge increase that the city would be earning. And as Ryan mentioned, this would also be set aside 50 years for affordability. So getting a little bit into the actual community itself and just a little bit of background. As Ryan mentioned, this is a site plan approved. So the prior owner started working on this since before COVID. It was intended to be a market rate community and has been designed as such. Now, one of the reasons why this hasn't moved forward is because typically on a market rate job, you do want more density. You want more density. You want higher income customers. and that just hasn't come to fruition on the site. So it has been stalled for seven years, which is truthfully why this has not moved forward. So HTG has, you know, reimagined this as an affordable housing community. What that means is that doesn't mean that the quality changes in any way. This is a site plan approved project, which is why it's so attractive. If anyone has ever, and we invite you all to go to one of our sites, if you've been to one of our projects, we put quality above everything, truthfully, in terms of finishes, countertops, cords, high-end materials, because really what we're trying to deliver here is a market rate community at an affordable price. And so what's been approved is what you're going to get. We're not making any changes. We're taking the adopted documents that have been approved by the city Getting the CDs done and submitting for permitting so we can get this done for you all next year. So again, 86 units, two buildings, and basically these buildings mirror each other. So they are basically the same, 43 units, 43 units. So the nice part about this is that they're going to feel boutique in nature, but then still be part of a larger 86-unit community. Again, they're literally only separated by one partial in between them. But they both have property management offices. They both have their mail parcel rooms. They both have amenity spaces. So it's not like you have to go from one building to the other to access certain things. So I think that's very important as well. And just a point of emphasis, even though each building will have parking on the ground floor with three levels of units above that, Immediately across the street is that excess parking, like I mentioned. Now, that parking, we will have plenty of landscaping and trees to help cover those cars. But in addition, two things that we'll be adding is, number one, we'll be adding a dedicated pedestrian crosswalk with LED lighting so that once someone is ready to cross to go access their car right across Polk Street, cars that are driving by know to stop. Secondly, we've also discussed and talked about adding carports so that even though they're parking across the street, those residents that are not able to park on the ground floor, their cars will be parked and protected from elements. So getting a little bit more into the project itself, again, 86 units, primarily one and two bedroom units. We are income averaging. What that means is that there's a range of incomes that we'll be targeting. Why we think that's really important here is, again, it allows us to cater to a wide group of individuals, especially city employees. I mean, there's people making... I mean, you all know more than I do, but, you know, probably in the range of $20,000 all the way up to hundreds of thousands of dollars. And so this really, and residents as well, and this really helps capture a larger base. But in addition to that, again, the benefits are this is site plan approved. The construction drawings are fully completed. And while there is still some civil work to be finalized, this is a project that could move forward and break ground as soon as next year if we do receive the support from the City of Hollywood and we do get awarded by the state tax credit program next month. And as Ryan mentioned, this, in addition to the other two proposals you'll hear from, do meet both of the criteria from Florida Housing, so it will be very competitive. And, again, the biggest thing is the fact that we do have a site plan approval. It is nearby, and it is attractive, and hopefully, you know, we'll bring, you know, great positivity and, you know, support for the residents of City of Hollywood.

4:56:58Speaker 32

That's all I got. Thank you.

4:57:02Speaker 30

Any questions? Yeah.

4:57:05Speaker 32

Let's go ahead in the queue. Then I have Vice Mayor Kaleri and then Commissioner Hernandez. Yes.

4:57:09 – 4:57:29Speaker 49

So thank you for, I hope I wasn't the only one who brought up the covered parking, implementing possibly solar panels just for saving on being green friendly. But also if you could just touch on the sewer aspect that doesn't seem to be included, but if you could just give a little highlight on that.

4:57:29 – 4:58:07Speaker 30

So, yes, absolutely. So on Polk Street itself, as you saw, we basically have the two residential buildings south of Polk Street and the two parking lots north of Polk Street. There is no sewer on that area of Polk Street. But that's not an issue for our project because we're not putting a building north of Polk Street. So that's just parking. The sewer connection is actually in the alleyway south of Polk Street where our buildings are adjacent to. So we will have connection there. Now, there is a water line extension that we do have to connect to for fire sprinkler access, and that is contemplated in our numbers and is budgeted for accordingly. And that is all laid out also in our civil drawings, and so that's...

4:58:07Speaker 49

I just wanted it to be on the record so people know that we're moving forward. Correct.

4:58:12Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Hernandez.

4:58:13 – 4:58:30Speaker 25

Thank you. My understanding is that you will have no mechanical parking spaces, correct? No mechanical parking spaces? Oh, no. None. Because that's one of the concerns from some of the residents when it comes to this thing. Between the two buildings, they're side by side. You said there's a parcel in between?

4:58:30Speaker 30

Correct. So the two residential buildings, basically it's a four-story building and another four-story building. They're separated by one parcel. That is a commercial business. It is not a single-family home.

4:58:41Speaker 30

Thank you. Yes.

4:58:42Speaker 32

Commissioner Quintana.

4:58:45 – 4:59:22Speaker 7

Just for the record, one of the things I talked about, and since we had the resilience grant presentation this morning with Dr. Jurado, one of the things I mentioned when we had our 101 is flat surface parking and how to best utilize that. for both water retention and or reflection of light because it can be such a heat sink when you just have flat surface. And you said, Rodrigo said that it was possible to consider that when you all are doing the design for the flat surface parking lot. That's correct.

4:59:22Speaker 30

So just to be on the record. Understood.

4:59:25Speaker 32

Commissioner Biederman.

4:59:27 – 4:59:51Speaker 34

So we always fail sometimes to ask investors to improve the neighborhoods a little bit. And you mentioned that the north side of Polk Street doesn't have sewer. Do we know from staff how much of that area doesn't have sewer and what can be maybe part of the impact fee of sort to help bring sewer to the rest of that neighborhood?

4:59:54Speaker 32

I don't know where that section is in regards to the phasing plan of septic sewer and the vision for that, but it's...

4:59:59Speaker 34

I mean, it's an opportunity when you're having people invest in a neighborhood to get them to invest in bringing the whole neighborhood up.

5:00:07 – 5:00:30Speaker 50

It looks like Ryan may have looked into this a little bit. But of course, Vin is here. We can certainly look at that issue and work through it. It can be prohibitive if they already have a sewer connection where they are to actually then extend it to another area that isn't being served by that particular sewer connection.

5:00:31 – 5:01:20Speaker 16

Correct. Thank you, city manager. So when we spoke closely with the manager for utilities, what she explained was with this project right now, what they would need to do for them, because they're going to be self-contained, not self-contained, but they would need to add 400 linear feet of pipe to connect their sprinkler system, their fire suppression system, for the garage. So that's all they would have to do, because for them to do anything else to connect other people might be cost prohibitive in that process. That would only cost them, the estimate would be $135,000. And, of course, they would also have to pay their portion of the upgrades to a larger pump for the lift station W-02, which would be 2% of the overall, what is that, $3 million cost, another $60,000 for them.

5:01:20Speaker 34

All right. So they are doing something to improve.

5:01:22Speaker 16

Correct. They are. Yes, they are. To increase that capacity there. Okay.

5:01:28 – 5:02:11Speaker 30

Just one thing I, you know, failed to mention but I think it's important to is in addition to obviously the property tax revenue that the project itself would be generating, obviously our request is for a $640,000 support loan so that we can go to the state and for our project to be more competitive. Typically, that's a low-interest investment that we ask for the city, just given how these projects typically operate and the amount of revenue that they typically generate. With both of our projects, housing trust groups, both projects, we're willing to provide a 5% interest on that loan. So that's about $32,000 annually to the city of Hollywood, which at a minimum 15-year period, which is what the requirements are, that's a $480,000 investment back to the city.

5:02:14Speaker 32

Thank you. That's great. Commissioner Shuham.

5:02:18 – 5:02:48Speaker 47

Hi. Thank you for that presentation. Quick question. I just want to make sure in that ranking grid where this particular project is furthest along, it was my understanding that when the state looks at the ranking that that didn't alter it. In other words, either you're ready to go and that adds value or you're not ready to go. So while it's nice to see that you're further along, it doesn't change in the eyes of the state the ranking of the projects. Is that correct?

5:02:50Speaker 30

I can speak to that. So, yes, that is correct. Basically, the state only differentiates it if it has a building permit.

5:02:57 – 5:03:21Speaker 30

So in this case, none of these three projects have a building permit. Now, the difference with this one is that it is site plan approved and it does have full construction drawings and has submitted for permitting. So while the other ones might take 12 months to go through that process and get site plan approval, this one, given how far along it is, it's more likely that it might close and start construction as soon as next year. But in terms of the state itself, it does not give it an edge over any other project.

5:03:21Speaker 47

Thank you. I just wanted to clear that up.

5:03:24Speaker 32

Thank you. All right, great. Let's hear from Ariel now on Mosaic. Is that what it's called?

5:03:44Speaker 52

Good evening, mayor, commissioner, staff. Good evening, I guess, right?

5:03:52Speaker 52

Ariel Frane, Housing Trust Group. So very excited to present Mosaic Hollywood for you guys.

5:03:58Speaker 32

You can point it that way.

5:04:01Speaker 52

There we go. Let me go back. All right. Now you saw my screen. Oh.

5:04:08Speaker 32

You're going to wow us with this rendering, Ariel. Yeah, I know. I mean, look at the... Am I...

5:04:14Speaker 52

Going too fast. Try again.

5:04:19Speaker 32

One time. There we go.

5:04:24Speaker 52

All right. I'm going to go to the next one now.

5:04:30 – 5:08:54Speaker 52

So Mosaic Hollywood presents a very, very unique opportunity. It's going to deliver a first-class multifamily community, while at the same time, it's going to satisfy a community Code compliance issue that the city has been facing for quite some time now. You can see the property is located on the northwest corner of Taft and Dixie Highway. And it's been running as a junkyard and outside storage. And frankly, it's been an eyesore for far too long. What's interesting about our agreement with the seller is that we've been able to contractually obligate him to clean up the property within 90 days of us signing a contract with him. And that's already happened. Now, the caveat, you may say, well, how are we going to make sure that happens? Well, within our agreement, we also, HCG, have the right to, after 90 days, if he fails to comply with that requirement, we can go in and bring that property up to compliance. and we can spend the time and the money, and he will face fines and penalties based on the purchase price. So I think we've structured a unique framework to get this property cleaned up within a matter of months, which I think would be a win for the city, first and foremost. So as it relates to the development summary and what we're proposing, we're proposing 84 units in a 10-story building with 103 parking spaces, and as in all of our HCG developments, a robust amenity package. First-class amenities, you'll see there on the floor plans, yes, they're conceptual at this time, but... Working with our architects who have worked in Hollywood, have put together a design that is 10 stories with four levels of parking and an amenity deck with a pool, fitness center, and club room all on that fourth floor patio deck. As it relates to timing, yes, we would be submitting in August, and hopefully we secure that funding with the LGAO support, move right into our design and permitting, and hopefully have our building permit approved by the end of May. So that would be approximately six to eight months after we receive that award. Here's a snapshot of the unit mix. So it's a mix of one and two bedroom units. As Mauricio mentioned, both of our projects are income averaging, so it provides that wider band of income levels. We have 30%, 60%, and 70% AMI. As it relates to the FHFC competitiveness, yes, both of our sites, along with the third proposal, meet the area of opportunity, an SADDA goal, which is based on the census tract and the geographic area where the state wants to see new development. And then should we be fortunate enough to have the LGIO, we would meet that second goal. And, you know, I know Commissioner Biederman was mentioning how much does that $640,000 go? Well, it can be the catalyst for bringing over $30-plus million to the development. And Mosaic is truly the definition of meeting the Hollywood's goals, right? is more than housing. It eliminates blight from a property that has caused a lot of trouble and has been an eyesore in the community. And revitalizing this site and bringing a vibrant, new, transformative multifamily building with amenities would absolutely change the landscape of this specific site and continue that growth along the North Dixie corridor. I mentioned there public art. Yes, there are waivers, but you'll see on Village Ordana, on Hillcrest, and our other developments, we take great pride in implementing that into the development scheme. And the $640,000 is that trailblazing commitment that can get this property cleaned up, bring in new ownership, and bring it to the quality that this site deserves the city of Hollywood to have. And lastly, I'll just say this. ALL THREE PROPOSALS WOULD BE COMPETITIVE AT THE STATE LEVEL BUT ULTIMATELY COMMISSION HAS TO DECIDE WHERE YOU WANT TO HANG YOUR WAGON AND WHICH DEVELOPER, WHICH FIRM, WHICH SITE REALLY MEETS WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR TO GET IT TO THE QUALITY AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITH EITHER MOSAIC OR MIDTOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

5:08:54Speaker 32

IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SECOND SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE TYPICAL PARKING. I'LL TRY.

5:09:01Speaker 52

My gosh. Ray Lynn, I might even, Ryan, I'm a much better presenter than Clay.

5:09:06Speaker 32

There we go, this one here. It looks like there's two entrances to the parking garage, one off of Taft at the far western end of the property, and then an in and out from the alley, is that?

5:09:18Speaker 52

No, it should, where?

5:09:20Speaker 32

The bottom left shows ground level, it shows the ramp going up from, it looks like the alley.

5:09:24Speaker 52

No, it should just be, it'd be in the rear going up on the ramp.

5:09:28Speaker 32

The rear, meaning the west side, looks like the alley. I just wanted to point that out.

5:09:33Speaker 52

Could it just be the orientation?

5:09:36 – 5:09:47Speaker 32

I mean, it's a very small site, 20,000 square feet. So I was wondering how you kind of circulate the parking and all that.

5:09:48Speaker 52

So right now, on Dixie and then Taft, it would come off Taft.

5:09:54 – 5:10:18Speaker 32

I got you. Well, this ground level image shows there's two entrances and two exits, a limited one, a small one on Taft, and then it looks like there's an in and out off the alley. So I just wanted to ask about that, clarify that. Is that okay? I guess from a site plan standpoint, I don't know, is that an issue or?

5:10:20 – 5:10:53Speaker 50

So engineering would of course be reviewing that. We have sought to limit, you know, some of that access from alleys and generally we have encouraged to not use the alleyway, but we recognize that in urban development that occasionally the alleyway is needed and we have, you know, allowed for generally an exit onto the alleyway as opposed to both an in and an out.

5:10:54 – 5:11:06Speaker 52

Again, but with this site being in the conceptual design phase and the layout of the floor plans, you know, once we get in front of the city and to further define the plan and layout, you know, if we're moving it through the alleyway, then, you know, we can make that work.

5:11:06Speaker 32

I'm just concerned that if you deleted that, if you would have enough of an opportunity to Circulation of the parking. Circulate up from the first floor and ramp up.

5:11:14 – 5:11:51Speaker 52

When we looked at this site and we looked at a few other opportunities that we've done in Miami-Dade where we had smaller sites with less symmetrical rough polygons, we've been able to develop on it. So with this being a square, yes, it's a 22,000 square foot site. It's smaller, but there are other developments in our pipeline and in previous jobs that we've done that are on smaller sites and we've yielded about a similar development program and height. So confident that we can do it on this site. Of course, we'll dive deep into the design process with the DRC, but very confident that what you guys are seeing in terms of the program can be brought to life.

5:11:52Speaker 32

Does the Florida Housing Finance Corporation at all get into the nitty-gritty of site plan and access and things, or no?

5:11:58Speaker 52

No. I didn't think so. But, of course, we need to show a permit-ready letter and go through the whole DRC, and that is obviously the caveat.

5:12:05Speaker 32

DRC before the competitive process? After. After. Yeah. Okay. Vice Mayor Clary? Yeah.

5:12:12 – 5:12:28Speaker 49

This is a conceptual design, but just curiosity. On your next slide, you show without the artwork on the second level. See that? It's all glass. So is your artwork on the building, or there's another picture that shows artwork on the ground? Just curiosity.

5:12:28 – 5:12:48Speaker 52

I would say to be determined based on how we go through the design process. I'm thinking right now, Village Jordana, right? We're going to have a sculpture that's on the building, right? A ribbon. But then on Hillcrest Village, we're actually going to have a sculpture that's off of the building. So I think as we further design this tight site and go through the process, we can best allocate on where the actual public art component will be.

5:12:48 – 5:13:01Speaker 49

So just my opinion. I love it on the building. On the building? Just because it gives you actually more space. If you put artwork... You're really limited. So that, to me, is a showstopper.

5:13:01Speaker 52

No, after setbacks, understood.

5:13:04Speaker 32

Thank you. Any other questions on Mosaic? Yeah. All right, let's get to... Oh, I do.

5:13:09Speaker 49

Rooftop amenities. I forgot to ask that as far as Midtown as well.

5:13:14Speaker 52

Oh, on Midtown?

5:13:16Speaker 52

The plan that I had our architect work on as part of this process does not include a rooftop amenity deck. It has a four-floor amenity deck with a pool, with clubhouse, with fitness center, but not rooftop.

5:13:26Speaker 49

OK. All right. Thank you. And it's on the same question. Sorry.

5:13:32Speaker 52

Did you leave something up? Are you answering?

5:13:36Speaker 49

You're next. I'll ask you the same thing.

5:13:38Speaker 30

The amenities are located on the ground floor. There's no rooftop.

5:13:40Speaker 49

OK. Perfect. Thank you. Mauricio Toran.

5:13:45Speaker 30

Thank you. Mauricio Toran.

5:13:48Speaker 27

I was up for that.

5:13:49 – 5:14:16Speaker 9

Rodrigo Perez. So just one last thing about that. Sometimes roof amenities are complicated because of fire codes. So we usually avoid them. It just ends up being a nightmare. So that's why we don't really do them. But as you can see, our developments are beautiful. All the buildings we've done in Broward are just beautiful. This is going to be even better than what we're showing. Yes, it's going to be. We don't have space. It's going to have to be attached to the building, the work part.

5:14:16Speaker 49

Thank you, Rodrigo. It looks great. Thanks.

5:14:19Speaker 32

All right, Pinnacle, let's talk about, Commissioner Hernandez, is that on Mosaic? Yes, sir, I do. Go ahead. HTG, come on back up, HTG.

5:14:31Speaker 25

One question, aside from the $640,000 for the city to actually put skin in the game, if you would, are you guys going to be asking for any ILA money?

5:14:41Speaker 52

No, because, again, this development's going to work with 9% credits, and at that point, we would not need any gap funding.

5:14:47Speaker 25

Just want to make sure.

5:14:48Speaker 52

And we will be paying taxes, but no other additional gap funding needed. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Adams.

5:14:54Speaker 32

All right, let's hear about State Road 7 and Pinnacle.

5:14:59 – 5:17:43Speaker 26

Good afternoon, Mayor, members of the Commission. Keith Polyakov representing Pinnacle Housing. Andrew Miranda is going to make the presentation in one second. I just wanted to do a brief introduction. I don't know if your residents even appreciate how lucky Hollywood is to have two of the most premier developers of affordable housing bidding on projects in the city of Hollywood. which tells you how much they think of Hollywood, the need in Hollywood. And you all are incredibly lucky to have definitely the two best come for you for projects and funding. We have the utmost respect for HTG. They're wonderful. In this case, Pinnacle is providing a development based upon what the city requested when we asked, where do you want to see a project? The city said to us, we would like to see more development on 441. We would like to see you to duplicate what you did on Pinnacle 441. We found a site in District 4. I don't think we've ever found a site in District 4. which made it even more open for our ability to say, OK, this is great. We've never had a site in District 4. We can be on 441. We can kill multiple birds with one stone. I'm going to turn it over to Andrew to tell you why you should select our site. I truly appreciate Rodrigo and Mauricio and their entire team, Ariel, stating that they're all scoring the same. You know, there's no advantage or competitive scoring on any of these plans. They're all the same. So at this point, it's just basically location of the site. But that being said, finding a suitable location is incredibly difficult. They go crazy. We go crazy. It is the hardest thing to do. So showing our respect for HTG, I'm going to throw out a recommendation that I think HTG actually fully supports and agrees with as well. And that is, rank two sites and basically say that if we don't get this site this time, we want you to try to get that site next time. And the reason why is it keeps it in their portfolio and under contract for the money for next year. And that really is an advantage to these developers coming into next year saying, OK, Hollywood's already committed the LGAO for our site for next year. Let's keep it under contract. Let's get it built. And then in the home run situation, Hollywood gets two sites back-to-back and real sites that need to be redeveloped. And Rodrigo, correct me if I'm wrong, but HCG is supportive of that general concept as well.

5:17:43Speaker 32

RODRIGUEZ- As long as we pick both of theirs.

5:17:48Speaker 26

The caveat was that Pinnacle was one and their site was two. But I just want to tell you, you know, in being selfish, it's a great thing to do for Hollywood because it enables you to have.

5:17:57Speaker 32

When is the next round at the Florida Housing? It hasn't. There's August and then there's what?

5:18:03 – 5:18:19Speaker 26

It's potentially next year, but it hasn't been announced yet. In the past, they've actually done two rounds. So it really hasn't been fully announced yet. But with that, I'm going to call up Andrew Miranda, who's going to tell you, who's behind me, who will tell you why the 441 site should be selected for this cycle.

5:18:22 – 5:25:27Speaker 51

Thank you, Keith, for the introduction. Good afternoon, mayor, city commissioners, staff, and colleagues. I'm accompanied by Max Cruz, our chief executive of affordable housing for Pinnacle as well. And I'm standing in on behalf of Tim Wheat. He's a partner at Pinnacle, and he's in transit from the Palm Beach County Commission meeting, and it ran late, and he wasn't able to make it. So apologies. Thank you for the opportunity to present our request for the 2026 Local Government Area of Opportunity Award from the City of Hollywood for our proposed community, Pinnacle Vista. So Pinnacle Vista is a thoughtfully designed, transit-oriented, affordable housing community located on three strategically assembled parcels totaling 1.3 acres, located on the east side of State Road 7 on the north side of Hay Street and the south side of Hay Street. The location directly supports the city's vision for revitalization along the US 441 corridor. And it will provide 90 high-quality affordable apartments with a blend of studio, one- and two-bedroom units designed to serve working individuals and families earning up to 60% of the area median income, the same population who are continuously priced out of the local housing market. And if supported by a market study, I just want to mention that we would be willing to do income averaging for Pinnacle Vista. As with every pinnacle community, affordability does not come at the price of quality. Residents will enjoy the same durable construction materials and contemporary finishes typically found in market rate luxury communities, along with amenities such as a community room, a cyber lounge, a fitness center to promote resident engagement and quality of life. The site has been carefully planned so that each building provides on-site parking for every unit contained in that building. Also, there will be each building's own dedicated amenity package. We are following the same successful design approach that we had at Pinnacle at Peacefield, which is also here in Hollywood. So awarding an LGAO allocation of Pinnacle Vista represents an opportunity to continue the momentum that the city has established along the 441 corridor. Pinnacle is committed to partnering with the City of Hollywood to transform strategically selected, underutilized sites into vibrant, transit-oriented, affordable housing communities that serve the local workforce. Pinnacle 441 serves as a proven model for this vision. The community received more than 33,000 lottery registrants, illustrating the extraordinary demand for affordable housing in Hollywood, specifically along the State Road 7 corridor, which possesses tremendous economic upside and growth potential, in our opinion. Pinnacle Vista is positioned to replicate that success by delivering another high-quality, affordable housing community that strengthens this corridor, supports transit-oriented growth, and fulfills the city's commitment to expanding housing opportunities for working families. Pinnacle Vista is well positioned with proximity to everyday daily services. Within 1.5 mile radius of the site, you have three elementary schools, one high school. There's a Walmart super center that's a mile south of the site to take care of your grocery and pharmacy needs. And then when it comes to public transportation, there's several bus stops that are within walking distance, less than a quarter mile from the site. They're servicing routes 9, 18, and the 441 Breeze. And so this will be a true transit-oriented community. Additionally, I want to mention that we will extend our award-winning Art in Public Places program for the State Road 7 corridor. As you guys may know, Pinnacle 441 has an installation on the western-facing wall, which is actually visible from the turnpike. We also have a sculpture on the Johnson Street and 441 intersection. And we also donated three art installations to the city of Hollywood, which are soon going to be installed in the 441 linear park. We're going to continue this initiative and continue to beautify the corridor with this art that represents the community with our Pinnacle Vista project. So one of Pinnacle Vista's greatest strengths is that the site is development ready. We anticipate routine entitlements and minimal infrastructure challenges throughout the process. It's already zoned central mixed use, so the provisions for live local zoning preemptions already apply, minimizing entitlement risk. And then also water and sewer infrastructure, as Ryan mentioned, is readily available, allowing us to move efficiently into development without major off-site improvements. So with the existing zoning in place and the utility capacity, we're positioned to move quickly from a ward and deliver these much unit affordable housing communities as soon as we're awarded by the state. So another major advantage that Pinnacle Vista has is its competitiveness in the FHFC funding cycle this year. Florida Housing will fund, as we've all discussed, two projects in the upcoming RFA in Broward County. Pinnacle Vista will achieve maximum competitiveness for both funding slots if awarded this LGAO. First, the SADA GAO goal. This is for projects serving the family demographic with a preference for a Broward LGAO application. SADA is a HUD-designated area. And what you can see on our images, our site is in the SADA zone. And then also, it is a family. We are serving the family demographic. So we fit this goal. Also, with the LGAO, it'll make us especially competitive for this first goal. And then as for the second bite at the apple, which is the second goal there, just flat out LGAO. By awarding Pinnacle this LGAO, you'll give us multiple strong shots at funding for this cycle. In summary, supporting Pinnacle Vista delivers a long-term impact for Hollywood. We have the right site and location, a development-ready, community-first design, an experienced and proven team, and a high likelihood of funding thanks to the strong positioning that we just reviewed. Together, this creates a project that not only is financially feasible, but also attractive, functional, and built to serve Hollywood residents for decades to come. This is more than just another project. It's a well-planned development ready for opportunity that brings quality affordable housing while meeting real community needs. I respectfully ask for your support of the LGAO award as we move forward and deliver this important development for the city. And with that, I'd like to open up for any questions.

5:25:29Speaker 32

Thank you. I've got some commissioners who've clicked in to ask questions, beginning with Commissioner Shuham.

5:25:36 – 5:25:50Speaker 47

Hi, thank you for the presentation. When the state is evaluating these, is proximity to a transit corridor something that is considered of value in the ranking system?

5:25:50 – 5:26:02Speaker 51

So not necessarily a transit corridor, but if there's public transportation stops, such as public bus stops or any type of rail line, something like that, that's what gives you proximity points.

5:26:03Speaker 47

OK. You mentioned the Live Local. Are you referring to the Live Local Act?

5:26:08Speaker 51

Well, as it pertains to zoning and entitlements. So it allows zoning preemption. I am not referring to any type of tax

5:26:18Speaker 32

Currently commercial zoning, so in order to build residential, they would be using live local. I mean, it's what I'm gathering, unless this is a mixed use area under the State Road 7.

5:26:26Speaker 47

But is he suggesting that he would bypass our planning and development process? No, I'm not.

5:26:33Speaker 51

The site is zoned for 50 units per acre.

5:26:38Speaker 47

I just that's fine.

5:26:39 – 5:27:09Speaker 20

I just want to make sure I'm glad you asked that question. We always work with with city staff And the Commission to make sure that we are giving you the development that the city deserves so we would work with them As to the best development, you know and its criteria We are mixed-use and we could go through live local but that does not mean that we wouldn't be working with city staff and to make sure that everything is done to what the city would like.

5:27:11Speaker 47

I guess I'm confused. So under the, yeah, please.

5:27:14Speaker 26

Let me answer this. We will commit that we are not seeking live local act bypassing of planning and development board and or city commission when it comes to this project. Okay, thanks.

5:27:24Speaker 47

And then my last two questions are general, so these might be for Ryan. But are there any, do any of the projects include three bedroom units?

5:27:39Speaker 16

No, not to our knowledge, no.

5:27:42 – 5:27:53Speaker 47

And is there an opportunity in any or all of these to provide preferences to Hollywood residents? All of them?

5:27:54Speaker 16

There is that. You can build in that mechanism. Bear in mind, these are going to be tax credit developments. So bear in mind.

5:28:00Speaker 47

Right. So that's why I'm asking. So you can't really, right? I mean, you can do like an early notice, that type of thing. OK. That's all I have. Thank you very much. Good job.

5:28:11Speaker 51

Thank you. And I just want to mention that we're still in the early conceptual design phases. So if staff would like to see three-bedroom units, then that's something we can certainly cross that road.

5:28:22Speaker 26

Commissioner, I just want to answer something legally. The federal law changed and the state law changed. As a result, you can give residential preferences now to City of Hollywood residents. We all do.

5:28:33Speaker 47

With even with state funding and with federal funding?

5:28:36Speaker 26

Yes. So it's changed how it's implemented. It used to be early notification. That's no longer even a requirement. You can give preferences.

5:28:44 – 5:28:57Speaker 47

Great. Okay. So Keith, can you send that information to Ray Lynn so we make sure that we are always incorporating that into these projects? Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.

5:28:58Speaker 49

Commissioner Gruber.

5:29:02 – 5:29:25Speaker 31

Just to follow up on that, we can give preference to Hollywood residents. Are there other groups of people that we can give preference to, like what we discussed this morning, veterans, seniors, but also people that work in Hollywood are people we would want to be able to move here as opposed to driving 45 minutes because they're in a place they can't afford. I didn't know that that law changed. I thought with federal and state tax credits you couldn't do that.

5:29:25Speaker 49

State definitely. No, for individuals who are working in the city of Hollywood.

5:29:30Speaker 31

So what other groups?

5:29:32Speaker 20

We would have to look into those working, specifically residents, yes. But those working in Hollywood, we would have to look into it. But obviously, we would do early preferences.

5:29:41Speaker 31

The people working here almost need it more because the people living here are here.

5:29:46Speaker 20

If they're working here, they want to live here.

5:29:47Speaker 31

No, of course. Yeah, OK. So yeah, if you can look into that, I'd love to know if that law's changed.

5:29:54 – 5:30:32Speaker 9

So what we did at university, we did that because Mr. Peterman talked to me, and we did that exactly. And I think you guys did it in critical 441, which is that you just open it up for the workers within the city first, and then you open it up a little bit more to workers in the county, and then you do health care. So the new law that he's referring to is a state statute that gives preference also to city employees. government employees, which includes city employees, and also health care professionals. So we can have it set up in tranches, or we can do it in a way that makes sense.

5:30:33Speaker 31

I'd love to see a list of those people that are able to, yeah.

5:30:37Speaker 50

We can certainly work on that, and we can work that language into the actual funding agreement.

5:30:42Speaker 31

OK, great. Is there a retail component in this?

5:30:45Speaker 20

Yes, there will be a retail component on the first floor.

5:30:48Speaker 31

It would either be retail or live work units. I think La Casita Tropical is about to open in your other building. Yes, actually.

5:30:58Speaker 20

We're hoping that they move in there because I love their chicharrones.

5:31:02Speaker 31

Everybody loves the chicharrones. So the whole bottom floor is retail?

5:31:05Speaker 20

Not the entire bottom floor. A portion will be retail, but there's also the common area, the lobby for the residents.

5:31:13Speaker 31

Both buildings or just one?

5:31:14Speaker 20

Well, there's going to be amenities on both buildings. So for a large component of the retail, we'll be on one of the buildings.

5:31:21Speaker 31

Got it. I think that's all the questions I have for now.

5:31:26Speaker 32

It looks like the parking is in the taller building section, the parking for both, correct? No, that's incorrect.

5:31:34 – 5:31:57Speaker 20

So there's a 40-unit building and there's a 50-unit building. The 40-unit building will be completely surface parked with the building as a pedestal above it. On the 50-unit building, it's going to have two levels of parking before the units. But each, I want to be clear that each building will be parked for the units and the homes that are there. Gotcha, gotcha. So no one's going to have to be crossing the street or anything.

5:31:58Speaker 32

All right. Commissioner, Vice Mayor Kaleri.

5:32:01 – 5:32:34Speaker 49

So thank you all for your presentations. If I had to, I know it's just conceptual, but to me, this is the least appealing conceptually, just FYI. I know you guys have done great projects, so I'd like to see a little bit more pizzazz. You know, we have taken a lot of pride with our new branding on the 7th. We want people to enjoy and come and want to be involved. So just food for thought. And just out of curiosity, how many acres is this consuming?

5:32:35 – 5:32:57Speaker 20

It's 1.3, but I want to touch on one thing, Vice Mayor. You've seen all our Pinnacle communities. We take pride in the way they look and how we provide art in public places and the art on the actual buildings. So we will definitely be working with city staff to make sure that this is going to continue that generation of revitalization on State Road 7. Yeah, just for FYI. Absolutely. Absolutely.

5:32:58 – 5:33:24Speaker 49

You guys know my wow factor, or at least Keith does. So my other question is, what did you just say? So my other question is, as far as the density, it seems a little small compared to what you currently have on Johnson Street as far as height goes. Is there a reason for that, or is it because of the amount of units that are allowed on that site area?

5:33:24 – 5:33:39Speaker 20

Well, we wanted to make sure that we were able to park for the residents that are actually there. So, you know, we are looking at approximately 90 units. As we further develop the site plan, if we're able to, you know, include more units, we're definitely going to be doing that.

5:33:40Speaker 49

I mean, 33,000 applicants for Johnson Street.

5:33:44Speaker 49

A little bit. I mean, this isn't my district, but just what I want to say.

5:33:50Speaker 49

You know, bigger, better, stronger. Absolutely. Brings more people into our city on a very main corridor. I think it would be promising. So just food for thought.

5:33:59 – 5:34:17Speaker 20

We're also trying to leverage the dollars from Florida Housing without trying to seek additional gap financing. And with that, it's basically a balancing act of what the total number of units that you can do. Again, as we're trying to go through further refining the budgets and the site plan, we are definitely looking at more additional units.

5:34:17Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

5:34:19Speaker 32

Thank you, Commissioner Quintana.

5:34:22 – 5:35:52Speaker 7

Thank you. That's me. So This is not in my district, but it's just across the street. So I drive past this space every day. And there was a lot, there was a picture that you showed an aerial view And I don't, so there's that. Let me go back up. So one of the things I wanted to say, I've said this to Tim many times, is to consider that on State Road 7, I love that you said you'd be willing to do the income averaging for this project as well. But to consider like what HTG does that includes some units at 70%, some units at 60%. Because much like Commissioner Hernandez has said about his district, I feel the same about State Road 7, that we want to have a mix of incomes, that we don't want to pigeonhole all low-income people in the same area. And I really love their model of being able to have all the range of incomes within the same building so that people can see each other as fully human, regardless of whether they're at 30 or at 70 or at 120. So I want to just reiterate that I hope that you would do that should this project be chosen, include some 70% income as well.

5:35:53 – 5:36:30Speaker 20

Sure, absolutely. I just want to just clarify something. When you income average, what HCG is considering is not a unique or a novel idea. You have to get an average of 60% AMI across the entire building. 15% of the units have to be at 30% AMI. And you could go up to 80% AMI. So it could be 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, so long as the average is 60%. But yes, absolutely. We will definitely, as we review the market studies and everything else and the will of the city, we will definitely be putting different income brackets. Okay.

5:36:30 – 5:37:13Speaker 7

Thank you. That's helpful. You're welcome. And then my second comment wasn't so much specifically to you guys. It was more to my colleagues about where I'm struggling about picking one. And so this is where I'll ask you to show the slide that has the aerial. because this site has been an irritant to me for many, many years, that I keep saying, who owns this place? That if you look at, if I'm seeing the two aerials on the bottom, the one, is it identical, same, right? It's the same places that are boxed off in red.

5:37:14Speaker 20

100%. One of the most from the property appraisers.

5:37:16 – 5:37:29Speaker 7

I don't know how you managed to get a picture where there wasn't a bunch of cars junked up in it. But the one that's on the right is much more what I see every day where this is being used for car storage.

5:37:29 – 5:38:41Speaker 7

On our State Road 7, where people have junked up cars that they're storing there, and as people drive through our city, this is the impression that they get. And so for me, I've had such great experience with working with Pinnacle, with them being in the building on Johnson Street. and really responsibly managing that property since you built it. And to see someone other, it would be great if somebody else would show interest in developing quality housing on State Road 7. But so far, really, it's only been Pinnacle that has stepped up. And so I want to first of all say thank you for recognizing that this is a valid and valuable opportunity and showing others that it's possible to do. But also where I'm struggling is the property on Dixie Highway that has also been in such terrible shape and really needing to be addressed. And if this is an opportunity to make that happen...

5:38:42Speaker 32

It's almost like we need our own lottery to make a decision.

5:38:47Speaker 7

Yeah, so it really would be helpful to have a better sense of what's going to be best received by the housing finance group, but we don't know, right? Yeah, it's a lottery.

5:38:57Speaker 49

None of them may get it.

5:38:59 – 5:39:27Speaker 7

Yeah, I understand. Yeah, so I just... Again, I just want to pick the best one, regardless of whether it's in my district or not. But I'm going to be biased towards State Road 7, just so you know. No offense, HTG. And I guess for me, I'm thinking either the Pertano property or this property would be my top two picks.

5:39:28Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Biederman.

5:39:30 – 5:40:11Speaker 20

Can I just respond to that real quick? I definitely agree with you. I am also biased. Not just because it's a development that we're considering, but yes, State Road 7 is a corridor that the city really wants to redevelop and revitalize. Seeing an open car lot every single day, because I drive by there almost every single day, It is an eyesore. And we've already gone through and are going through all the environmental reviews for that property. And we feel very comfortable being able to move forward. And it does not have, you know, 6,000 cars parked there as in the junkyard. But we are going to be able to clean it up and be able to move forward immediately.

5:40:13Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Biederman.

5:40:15 – 5:42:00Speaker 34

So I agree with that, that those two are my top picks also. My concern is that we're just going to load up the area with workforce housing and not be able to attract some marketplace housing along the seven. And I think the impact If you look at the two, well, listen, I drive by it every day too. And I too have that feeling of what's there. But when I drive by Dixie and Taft Street, that's atrocious. And the transformational, I know it's your time right now, but the transformational aspect On the eyes, Dixie Highway takes it hands down. It was said earlier, we're very lucky to have both of the top premier affordable housing developers pitching their projects today. And the projects that have been done in Hollywood are tremendous. I'M STUCK ALSO, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR RYAN. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS, TOO. RYAN, DID WE EVALUATE OR I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE SLIDE WHAT THE INVESTMENT IS ON THE THREE PROJECTS.

5:42:00Speaker 16

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT, SIR?

5:42:01 – 5:42:13Speaker 34

THE INVESTMENT ON THE THREE PROJECTS. WHAT IS THE FINISHED total investment of the three projects for our $640,000, basically.

5:42:14Speaker 16

So our $640,000 allows them to be more competitive to bring back another $38 million to the city.

5:42:21Speaker 34

That's not the question.

5:42:23Speaker 16

What's the total?

5:42:24Speaker 34

How much is Pinnacle's projects?

5:42:26Speaker 32

Well, they're both about 90 units each.

5:42:28Speaker 34

Is that what it is?

5:42:30Speaker 16

All three are like 86, 84, 90. You're talking about unit numbers? Are you talking about the financials or the amount of units?

5:42:35Speaker 34

The total financial investment in those projects.

5:42:39 – 5:42:57Speaker 16

Well, the developers are here right now with their financial investment. But I know one unit is 88 units. It's Midtown. It's a mosaic. Midtown's 86 and Pinnacle's 90. So based on that, their financial aspects of it, they could tell you more about that. That's what I'd like to hear. Yeah, absolutely. So they're here to tell you about that right now.

5:42:57Speaker 22

Can I answer for Mike first?

5:42:58 – 5:43:11Speaker 20

So yeah, this project, Pinnacle Vistos, is going to be approximately a $43 million project. So for the $640,000 that the city of Hollywood is providing, we'll be providing 90 units of approximately.

5:43:11Speaker 34

Are you allowed to tell me the acquisition cost of the land?

5:43:14 – 5:43:27Speaker 26

What's that? None of them are on the tax bill. Right. Right. I think you need to make that clear. None of these projects are on the tax bill. I'll let Max answer that question first. He asked what the land is being bought for.

5:43:28Speaker 20

Oh, $4.3 million, $4.35.

5:43:31 – 5:43:46Speaker 26

The only point I was trying to tell Max to mention is all of these are free of ad valorem tax because of workforce affordable housing. So the construction cost really doesn't impact the city at all, except for they're all making substantial investments in the city of Hollywood.

5:43:52Speaker 34

And then I have another question for both of you two.

5:43:55 – 5:44:11Speaker 30

For Midtown residences, we are under contract for $4.5 million. I'd say the difference is that we are surface parked, so that is obviously much more economically viable as compared to building a parking garage that's very expensive. Total development cost is around $30 million.

5:44:12Speaker 9

But we're going to have enough money to do all that tour because it's 100 grand.

5:44:18Speaker 32

And while we're on the subject, how about Mosaic?

5:44:21 – 5:45:08Speaker 52

So with Mosaic, has a parking garage going to be a little bit more expensive. We're at $33 million. So that's $640,000 yields about a $33 million total development cost. The other thing I wanted to mention is that we're already working right now with the seller to start cleaning up that property. So regardless, we're working hard to figure out a way to implement the framework within our agreement to clean this property up because I know it's been such a hassle for the city to this point. And this $640,000, you know, timing is everything. It really is. And sometimes things work out in interesting ways where, you know, I was preventing from using Protano's name, but then, you know. But in any case, you know, I want to say I've built a decent relationship with him. And

5:45:09Speaker 32

Do you have a signed agreement on both properties?

5:45:12 – 5:45:25Speaker 52

Yes. Yes. We have a purchase sale agreement with Protano. And we also have the clause in the agreement that stipulates that we already signed the contract. So the clock's ticking on him cleaning up the property within 90 days. If not, HGG does have the right and go ahead and clean up that property.

5:45:25Speaker 32

What happens in the contract if you don't succeed in winning the lottery or being selected at Florida Housing?

5:45:32Speaker 9

We have an idea of how to make it happen. I just need to finish up some conversations with Arlene about it, but I think we can make it happen even if we don't get funded.

5:45:46Speaker 34

Don't talk yourself out of it.

5:45:49Speaker 32

All right, so let's try to move this along.

5:45:51 – 5:46:03Speaker 34

Wait, I have one more question. Go ahead. Can you tell me, I know Pinnacle has this, but can you give me a little brief overview of the first time home buyer option you have and if HCG, I think we talked about it once before too.

5:46:04 – 5:46:36Speaker 20

Yeah, so absolutely. Most affordable housing developers do provide some form of first-time homebuyer assistance. So a portion of their rent will be basically held so that should they go into first-time homebuyers, which is what we want. We want residents to be able to take the next step and hopefully be homebuyers. They would be able to use that as part of their deposit for their... We hold it in escrow. Every single time you put your rent as part of your agreement, there is that structure of a percentage of it is going to that.

5:46:38Speaker 20

HTG? Same. It's going to be the same.

5:46:45Speaker 34

Can you fill Ryan in on how that works? Because we have a project that we talked about earlier today that we want them to mirror. Okay, yeah, no, absolutely.

5:46:53 – 5:47:20Speaker 32

Happy to do it. All right, we've got, you know, I have Hernandez and Gruber here. Look, we could, and no kidding, we could do a little lottery of our own if you guys, you know, are going to, if we're going to have a tough time picking one. This is exactly what the state does is we could do a little, you know, pick it out of the hat. But depending on, or you narrow it down to two and then we try from there. But let's go ahead. In the queue, Hernandez.

5:47:21 – 5:48:58Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. I have the same question. Are you guys using any mechanical parking? No, no, not at all. Mechanical parking. Any ILA money you're going to be coming back for? None. Okay. Just as my colleagues have said, 441 and Taft Street are my top two pick. And that's because of the obvious reason. This one is a little larger. It's 1.3. The other one's a half an acre. But the impact to the community is going to be substantial on either one. And what's happening is there's a lot of other people looking at what's happening in the city of Hollywood. When they see individuals investing in a particular area, everybody focuses in on it. So you guys already developed on 441 and Johnson Street on a site that for us was, I mean, I live right down the street. I grew up in the West Hollywood. It was imperative to get rid of that trailer park, what it was doing to the neighborhood. Now, we have had some complaints about some individuals that like more or less what it was and what have you, but we basically need to clean up the 441 just like we need to clean up Taft Street and Dixie Highway. Dixie Highway is ripe for the development. HTG has actually developed on 21st Avenue. They're doing on Dixie Highway now. They're looking at another project in Dixie Highway. We spent millions of dollars setting up the sewer system years ago for you guys to be able to come in and develop, and it takes years for it to come to fruition, and I believe that we're at that point. Either one of those two developers are good for me. Mayor, if you were looking for the top two choices, do from there and then from there.

5:48:59Speaker 32

Is that everyone's consensus fairly on a top two? Is Taft and State Road 7? Yeah, everybody's nodding.

5:49:07 – 5:49:40Speaker 25

I'm not taking the easy way out, but at the end of the day, the Polk Street development is a development that already has its own plans already drawn. It was going to be market rate. The odds of that to continue to be market rate are greater than any of these other two sites being market rate. So I'm looking at the obvious as to what would be the two sites that would yield the most for our money. And if I could, but they're telling me you can't, I would say give the $640,000 to both. and have them available. So we can only do one? I understand.

5:49:40 – 5:50:10Speaker 50

It really is more of the state guidelines. They're looking for us to select one project that we want to give our local government area of opportunity designation to. And you can only select one. I would suggest that the commission, that we poll the commission the same way that you do when you're actually appointing board members to a board and each of you just go down and rank one and two so that we can hopefully wrap up this discussion and then move on to some other agenda items.

5:50:10 – 5:52:03Speaker 32

I do have one objective criteria that maybe we want to help, you know, make a decision because if we, you know, appreciate the impact that both could have on the surrounding area, maybe we want to think of, okay, If we select one and it gets selected by the state, then there's a redevelopment and a great opportunity. So for either one of them, if they don't get selected, which one really has an opportunity for redevelopment more than the other? And which one is going to stay in the same position like a longer period of time? They're a little different. I mean, on State Road 7, I've always looked at these parcels and said, wow, it's remnant from the road widening. It's kind of narrow. you know, what's really going to be there. It's been vacant land since the State Road 7 widening. So, and then as a standalone corner commercial parcel, even though it hasn't happened in years, the Taft Street project, you know, is more of a commercially zoned, you know, corner property that could be other commercial uses if someone wanted to make the investment. While these on State Road 7, I don't know, I look at them and say, you know, this is definitely the highest and best use and it's And it doesn't come by every day to have, although now it's on the radar of the affordable housing developers, both are. So what bothers me about Taft, and I said it from the beginning, not that I love the design, is that the access and the circulation, the site being so small, to me kind of begs the question, are we trying to pound too much into a small bag right on a corner with the alley in the back? There's homes. So I'm just kind of like, you know, sharing kind of my feelings on what some of the know hardships are and then perhaps you know this opportunity on State Road 7 would have a great impact as well and you know this is the area of State Road 7 you know between Taft and Johnson that we complain that looks really bad and maybe it would help stimulate in more but same could be said about Dixie so I'm a little a little torn. Okay Gruber first and then Vice Mayor.

5:52:05Speaker 31

A couple, I was just going to ask how Keith had suggested voting for both, but we're not allowed to do that, right? I want to explain what.

5:52:12 – 5:52:51Speaker 16

Just allow me to say this one thing on commission. You can only select one designation with the local area, the local government area of opportunity. However, what we're discussing right now is location, right? I think we have to look at what do we want to see in the city? Where do we want to see new developments spur? Where do we want to see improvements made? You have three solid projects from two stellar developers. You have an opportunity right now to potentially leverage $640,000 and turn it into over $30 million to spur development in an area that may need it. So think about the location and the housing plan for the city. Where do you want to see affordable housing?

5:52:51Speaker 32

I guess that transit-oriented corridor might be the winner.

5:52:54 – 5:53:22Speaker 31

So I have the same concern with the Dixie and Taft spot as far as you're talking about less than a half an acre to put 80 units on there. I feel like it's going to be tight. I feel like 441 needs to catch up. I'm not concerned that it's going to be all affordable housing because I already know of a few other things in the mix that are not affordable housing that are coming on 441. More north, yeah.

5:53:26 – 5:53:47Speaker 31

Well, I'm just saying there's other ones that I'm aware of. Anyway, so I like both of them. But if I'm choosing one, I would choose the one on 441. I like the fact 1.3 acres in my district. And there's no other affordable housing projects going on right now in my district. And I think it's needed there.

5:53:47 – 5:54:20Speaker 26

Yes. I just want to respond to what my comment was in favor of HDG. if they are cleaning up that site and if they do have it under contract to clean it up and they're continuing to pursue funding for it, fabulous for the city of Hollywood. So what I was suggesting is 441 this cycle, but approve now for them next cycle for that junkyard site if you would deem fit. And that way they can continue their cleanup and continue their investment in that property and it wouldn't impact the interest. Right now it would be August next year, but Florida Housing could always pick up another cycle.

5:54:20 – 5:54:33Speaker 32

The only downside on that is that it locks us in for our local preference for that project versus others that might come down the pike. But maybe that's a good enough runner-up, and we'd be happy to submit that because it's been such a problem.

5:54:33 – 5:54:48Speaker 9

Can I just say something regarding that? My only concern, I would say, is that the one seller I'm not sure I'm going to be able to extend a contract with is that seller, the Tufts seller. No, I'm just saying I'm not sure. I mean, he said something. He's not my attorney.

5:54:49Speaker 32

I don't know if they'd ever have a better buyer than you guys for what can be put on that property.

5:54:52 – 5:55:39Speaker 52

I was just going to mention on the design aspect, if you take a look at the floor plans, there's tons of amenity space on there, probably more than needed for the 84-unit development. I'm very confident. The same architect that we're using on Village Ordana, which also was a very difficult, tight site there on the corner of Washington and Dixie. The architect that put together the conceptual plan with more time and more due diligence as we go through the DRC process, we will design something that is very, very close to what you're seeing right now as it relates to the floor plans and the building. So I have no hesitation on what can be designed on this site. You know, it's not like we're putting a 100-unit building. We're very careful with the amount of units, the parking, the amenities, and the unit mix to fit on this site.

5:55:39Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. We've got to make a decision. Let's go to Vice Mayor Kaleri.

5:55:43 – 5:57:40Speaker 49

OK. Let's go. Here, I'm going to say this is my scenario. Midtown, we're going to throw it out. Now it's between Mosaic and Pinnacle, it sounds like. So if you look at 441, there's development Pinnacle on Johnson Street, development on Washington and 441, and now this presentation for Hayes. If you look at Dixie Highway, we have University Station. We have the development on Washington and Dixie, Van Buren and Dixie. We also have Avant Garde School. And we also have storage unit facility directly on all four corners. So there's both. We put in infrastructure for septic and for sewer and water. So those are ready, hit the ground, and run. Midtown, there is the connection as stated. So we're going to put Midtown out. If I had to weigh them, and you're talking about synergy and growth, there's a lot of opportunity on 441 on the 7. We have the development going in. But on Dixie... You have a little bit more of a motivation as far as what's around the storage, the school, and the distance and locations. These here are a little closer to each other on 441, even though it's much needed. So yes, I would pick both. But if I had to say right now where we see build it and they will come type of situation, pushing to bring it further off of the beach area, the downtown. Now we're moving. As progression goes, I would say Dixie Highway, especially because you're killing two birds with one stone, which I hate to use that statement because nobody should be killed. But we're getting rid of blights. And yes, there is blight, but this is even more blight, even though the design is better. So my choice would be Dixie Highway and Top Street.

5:57:40 – 5:58:35Speaker 32

So it seems like what Ray Lynn has suggested might be the best, because as we're standing here, I'm thinking to myself, long-term planning, State Road 7, transit-oriented corridor. There's also walkability to the Johnson Street Business District. And when you look at all of that synergy for the long-range plan, and this is affordable housing on the transit corridor, again, abutting a business district that could use more customers and create a little critical mass of people together with Pinnacle Pinnacle 441, we're creating a little bit of a hub for the city, again, that has all that connectivity and access to businesses. So I'm tilting toward, and I think for myself, I'm just ranking State Road 7 higher, although I do want to see a better facade rather than the boring gray. It looks a little too dull. No, the facade can be dressed up a little more. But we do have public speakers, two of them, and I didn't realize that. Commissioner Biederman, go ahead.

5:58:38Speaker 34

Two things. One is, do we know which one can be built quicker once their financing is in place?

5:58:46Speaker 1

The one we threw out.

5:58:47Speaker 34

Well, yeah, but we're not doing that one.

5:58:50Speaker 32

Out of the two.

5:58:51 – 5:59:16Speaker 34

So the other question is Ray Lynn. What if we were to pick 441? Because they may or make sense about creating that west side downtown like we've been talking about for a little bit of time. What if we were to do the same deal with HTG that we did on the Jordana site to try and get that area cleaned up? Because they're going to build it, whether it's now or a year.

5:59:18 – 6:00:16Speaker 50

Look, I think we are in a very fortunate position with both developers that we have established over a period of a decade a very great relationship with both of these teams. Honestly, I know you guys are in a tough position, I guess I'm apologizing for putting you in that tough position. Perhaps we should have gone ahead and made a recommendation. I do think you cannot go wrong. I will commit that we will continue to work with them. And I do believe that this will not be the end of the line for either one of these developments. suggest that you go ahead and make your your selection and we will work with what you have come up with and make sure that we continue to pursue the other development whichever one that is so just to finish regardless of taxes or not taxes the investment in the community by Pinnacle is 15% higher

6:00:18 – 6:00:29Speaker 32

All right, let's hear from the two public speakers, and then we'll hopefully get a motion and a vote. Let's go to Anne Ralston, followed by Sasha Kobo.

6:00:33 – 6:01:40Speaker 57

Thank you. I've looked at all three of these. I love the one on Dixie Highway. Number one, I travel that all day long. That thing is a disaster. It's been a disaster since I was in code back in the early 90s. It is a disaster. It's a beautiful little building. I like Polk Street. I like the design of that. And there's parking. So if I had my druthers, it's Dixie Highway. And if we can do anything about the little used car dealer that's on Wilson, the trucks park right in. You're putting your front end right into Dixie Highway to try to pull out because that truck or those cars park right there and then your very next corner. Also, you have the school right there. You have a beautiful storage building. And I think you promote growth on Dixie, which is incredible. You've already got it south downtown on Van Buren and whatever. Move it up this way, which is more of a disaster up that way. Thank you.

6:01:41 – 6:01:56Speaker 32

Sasha Cabo? Is Sasha Cabo here? Not here. OK. All right. So in the queue, I have Commissioner Quintana, Commissioner Shuham. Let's go ahead and invite a motion, too. Go ahead, Commissioner Quintana.

6:01:56 – 6:02:15Speaker 7

Yeah, I just want to say I do agree that the HTG building design is really wonderful. I mean, totally beautiful. But I'd like to make a motion for us to pick the property on State Road 7 as our choice for this.

6:02:15Speaker 32

All right. Motion from Commissioner Quintana, second from Commissioner Gruber. Commissioner Shuham, any comments?

6:02:21 – 6:02:48Speaker 47

I would just amend the motion to, if it's agreeable to HTG, to yes, commit that the next go around, the project would be theirs. I have no hesitation making that commitment because that site is horrible. And they've done a great job contracting with that property owner. They've really tied it up in a bow. And I would just hate to see that fall apart. So that would be my amendment.

6:02:49 – 6:03:01Speaker 32

So Damaris, is that an appropriate motion? We can just resolve here to bind ourselves to already rank for the next cycle of the Florida Housing Finance Corporation the Dixie Highway property?

6:03:03 – 6:03:25Speaker 8

I have concerns about obligating a future commission to a specific action based on a choice tonight and given that there may be new information that comes forward. I do understand that all of these projects were amazing, but I do have those concerns. Gotcha.

6:03:25Speaker 47

Can I restate the amendment?

6:03:27 – 6:03:54Speaker 47

Then I would amend the motion to state that staff work with HTG to make sure that that project goes forward in some fashion or another, whether it's through this next round or, as I think it was Commissioner Biederman or someone said, similar to what we're doing at the Villa Jordana. Just let's try to... keep that contract in place.

6:03:54 – 6:04:30Speaker 32

Why don't we bring that up in our comments and maybe direct Ray Lynn to work with HTG as the contract purchasing party to maybe, and I think it would take a discussion about lien settlement in order to Recruit that property owner to hang tight and be willing to go for the next cycle because they're gonna keep that owner on contract and tie up the property Just from the feedback that I received I know the issue of the lien settlement is still a big issue and I think it's what it's gonna take is us to Basically settle the lien get the property cleaned up in order for that property owner to hold out.

6:04:30Speaker 47

I thought that was resolved I

6:04:34Speaker 34

No, let's just give them the money to buy the property, resolve the lien, clean it up, and move on.

6:04:38Speaker 32

So if we could, Carol, let's have a clean motion on the selection here and then take that up and commission comments on what could be done. Ariel, OK?

6:04:45Speaker 47

Is that OK? I'd like to hear what Keith and Ariel have to say.

6:04:50 – 6:05:20Speaker 26

I'm sorry. I just mentioned to Damaris I have a slight disagreement with her legally. Because constantly, we go before commissions and get two-year deals on projects and don't look at when that commission changes hands. It's not how we operate. But if it made Damaris feel better, I would recommend just putting another resolution on then after summer break, approving their project for the 2027 cycle. And I assume that would resolve your concern regardless. And we wouldn't object to that. That could be a way to do it. Ariel?

6:05:20 – 6:06:01Speaker 52

The only thing I'll add is that, yes, within our agreement with Protano, which, as you know, is not easy to get to, and, you know, the fact that we're here right now with language in the contract that speaks to him having to clean up the property within 90 days or we have the right to enter his property is something that, you know, talking about 2027 is not something, you know, we'd have to go down that path and see what's possible. But, you know, the goal was positioning this site to make it very competitive at the state level and putting in language into his contract that put him on the hook. And we did that. And now obviously, you know, settling the lien is a separate part with the city, but that's all in the works right now as a part of the whole development plan.

6:06:01 – 6:06:14Speaker 34

That's still in the bankruptcy. Mayor, I would say take advantage of the fact that they already have him on the hook. Let's just shell out whatever it is to guarantee the deal to him to take possession of the property.

6:06:15Speaker 32

Would the bankruptcy court need to approve this sale? I know that isn't this entity in bankruptcy.

6:06:19Speaker 34

No, the other one is in bankruptcy.

6:06:21 – 6:06:35Speaker 32

Oh, it's not this one? All right, so we're running a little wild here. We have a motion on the floor for the selection of the State Road 7 project as the number one. Commissioner Shuham agreed to bring up back the HTG question.

6:06:35 – 6:06:52Speaker 47

I didn't, but I mean, I would like to amend this, but you've asked me to. And if there were some proposal during commission comments that would kind of seal the deal that they could keep this contract, I would like to hear it. I'm willing to do that, but I want it to be more specific.

6:06:53Speaker 32

All right. So let's go to Vice Mayor Kaleri, then Hernandez, and then we'll take a vote.

6:06:58 – 6:07:13Speaker 49

First of all, sorry, this is like the biggest agenda we've had right before summer break. But I do have a question. How much in liens is the city currently in litigation with this property on Dixie Highway and Taft?

6:07:13Speaker 8

I'd like to invite Kendra Breeden, who's been working on this case.

6:07:16 – 6:07:28Speaker 49

I just want to know the value of liens and the years that we've been dealing with this. Years. More than 14 years, Commissioner Hernandez.

6:07:29 – 6:07:44Speaker 37

OK, this property currently has $1.3 million, and it's accruing a daily fine of $1,000 per day because it's still not in compliance. So until they bring the property into compliance, it will accrue a daily fine of $1,000 a day. OK, thank you.

6:07:44Speaker 49

Also, how many years have we been dealing with this?

6:07:48Speaker 37

This lien went on the property in 2019. We filed foreclosure on this property in 2025.

6:07:58 – 6:08:39Speaker 49

So just so everyone knows, we have dealt with this property. It has been a... thorn in our side for years upon years upon years. Commissioner Hernandez, myself, prior commissioners have brought this property up of concern because of the blight that it provides for our city. So if we're talking about our time, our value, our investment, This, to me, seems like the best opportunity to rid what we have been complaining about for years, spending legal fees, the amount of money that's been invested on it.

6:08:40Speaker 47

This is an opportunity.

6:08:42 – 6:09:17Speaker 49

mental health, my mental health, friends calling on behalf of both parties. And this has been something we've talked and talked and talked about. 441 is moving forward. We see the opportunity that's coming. Dixie Highway, we're still trying to get there, but there's these issues that are blighting our city that we can't seem to get past. And now we're being offered this opportunity that it sounds like a really great deal. So I really would consider you guys thinking about this. How do you lock in that deal?

6:09:17Speaker 32

Just a question to HTG on Dixie Highway and your agreement. I think the Florida Housing Finance Corporation meets in August, correct?

6:09:26Speaker 52

The application is on August 12th.

6:09:28Speaker 32

OK. Or submittal. Submittal. And when is the meeting to decide on the lottery?

6:09:34Speaker 52

September, early September, and then board approvals late September.

6:09:37Speaker 32

OK. So with the 90-day clock to clean up the property, it sounds like the board lottery happens before the 90-day clock.

6:09:46 – 6:10:10Speaker 52

Again, which is why I was mentioning before that we were already committing to clean up this property, regardless of where things stand, as the funding. So you asked the question, what happens if you don't get the funding, you submit the deal? We're still working at how we can go ahead and clean this property up with what we have in our clause and spending that money. I got you. So that is a caveat. You're saying, what happens if we submit this deal and then we don't get the funding? Everybody's kind of just sitting around, right?

6:10:11Speaker 32

The contract expires, right?

6:10:13Speaker 52

Well, no, we have a long-term contract before money goes hard.

6:10:20Speaker 49

So how about we flip it and we put Dixie as number one and then 441.

6:10:24 – 6:10:49Speaker 52

So before money, for example, right, we have our first deposit and then money will go hard, I believe, with our extensions would go hard up until November, December. So that's after. But again, depending on where things stand, I've already said that we're committed to cleaning up this property regardless of where things shake out with the... And that was the caveat. It was... We needed to get language in our contract that gave us that right.

6:10:49Speaker 32

And what's the seller's expectation on the lien settlement?

6:10:53 – 6:11:19Speaker 52

I mean, listen, you guys know of him. Of course, his lien expectation is that he wants to pay the littlest amount possible. And then there's a number that is a reasonable request. And, you know, we will work with the city of Hollywood to manage that. But ultimately, we have language that we're comfortable with because we wouldn't have signed the contract with him unless we agreed to have language, right, where that said that he would pay 50% of that lien settlement.

6:11:19 – 6:11:41Speaker 47

Can I make a suggestion? So pinnacle one, mosaic two, subject to it being approved in the next cycle provided that the commission that will be seated here in November approves the same because I feel confident that they will. Why can't I make that a condition?

6:11:43Speaker 32

How about a city attorney?

6:11:47Speaker 8

So it would be cleaner to simply bring it back.

6:11:51Speaker 47

It sounds as though they don't necessarily... Yeah, but he has to take something to the property owner. Otherwise, we've dealt with this guy.

6:12:00 – 6:12:15Speaker 32

Well, I think the idea of a resolution from the city commission in August accepting this project, the mosaic one for the 2027 cycle, would give him a little bit of a longer runway.

6:12:16Speaker 47

What's the difference between today and August? I'm missing something.

6:12:19Speaker 32

I mean, only because the city attorney said no.

6:12:23 – 6:12:38Speaker 8

You can vote to include it in the cycle. I mean, if you are saying that this will be the project, that's where I have some concerns because that... completely binds the hands of a possible future commission, despite what projects may come.

6:12:38Speaker 32

But there are always forward-looking obligations that we put into place and that commissions recycle. Hold on. Go ahead.

6:12:46Speaker 26

Yeah. You could absolutely bring back your resolution in August approving this site as the 2027 LGAO for the city of Hollywood. That is done all the time.

6:12:56Speaker 47

Right. But why August and not tonight?

6:12:59Speaker 26

I think you can do it tonight. Damaris disagreed with that.

6:13:03 – 6:13:55Speaker 52

The one downside I would say to that, and not ranking Mosaic as the number one right now, is that Florida Housing is going to lay out their plans and objectives and goals in the next couple months. And it's very possible that The competitiveness that Mosaic has as we sit here today and the language we have with the seller is not going to be as competitive in a couple months from now. So you're saying that, but you don't know that. No one knows that. And the goals and the objectives change year after year. And they change within the year. So as we sit here today, we structure language with the seller to allow us to give us the opportunity to clean the property up and submit this development for the 9% funding and be very competitive this year. Speaking of next year, we do not know where the goals and funding will lie. So that's why it's important to take action.

6:13:55Speaker 32

All right. So I'd like to go in the order. We have a motion on the floor. I'd like to discuss the motion, if we could, so we can get through it. And let's hear now from Commissioner Hernandez.

6:14:07 – 6:14:59Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. As I said, I like both projects. I can tell you that one of the concerns that I have, and I brought it up earlier before this came up, is congregating a great deal of low to moderate income areas in one particular section. And this project is actually addressing an eyesore. We all know that. But 441 needs to get started. And 441 needs to move forward. I'm OK with 441. And my question, Ariel has already answered it. What happens if we said, OK, Ariel, we're going to decide that Taft and Dixie Highway is number one. and the state of Florida decides to go somewhere else. What happens to your deal then? You said you will continue to go through the deal because you have long-term contract that it would withstand something like that.

6:15:03 – 6:15:28Speaker 52

Just to clarify, what I was saying was, Mayor Levy asked, what happens if we rank Mosaic number one, you submit the deal, and you are not in the funding? What's going to happen with the site? Well, I've said we've committed that we are going to still clean up the site. But if we were not to be ranked number one, now we don't know if this site's going to be competitive next year. We don't have a long-term contract with the gentleman for more than a year or two years. We have less than a year to close.

6:15:29 – 6:16:44Speaker 25

Well, I can tell you that No disrespect to the city attorney, I actually concur with Keith regarding that we can commit for next year's funding when it comes to this. Because we're not really committing a future commission. As we said earlier from my colleague, this says based on what the result is of the elections. The city of Hollywood is ready to commit for $2 billion worth of projects. which means that we are committing for a bond, for financing, for years and years to come. I cannot believe that we cannot say that we're willing to rank that particular project next in line when it comes to what's in front of us. I just don't, respectfully, I just do not agree with that because if that was the case, We wouldn't be able to bond any of the projects that we're doing that we have years and years worth of bonding. We're committing not only our residents, we're committing the future commissioners to those particular projects. projects. So therefore, I respectfully disagree with your rendition of this, because we do it on a regular basis when it comes to other things. I appreciate your- Go ahead. Go ahead, the city manager.

6:16:44 – 6:17:39Speaker 50

So members of the commission, I think what Commissioner Biederman suggested, which is what we did with Village Urdana, may be something that if you would allow us to do it, I think that may be the way to go. We were able to put together with them acquisition financing that they subsequently repaid once they were awarded the tax credits. And so we essentially were able to speed up the acquisition of the property through a loan. And that is what we did with the Washington Street property, which was, as you know, a problem property. So I think you could proceed with your ranking this evening. and allow us to work on an acquisition with the understanding that they would receive the commitment of the city for the 2027 cycle.

6:17:41Speaker 25

I'm good with that. And I'm willing to amend the motion to reflect it. But I can amend the motion that's on the floor.

6:17:48Speaker 32

But what Raelynn is saying is that we could resolve to give her direction to do that, and that it would come back to us. Right.

6:17:55Speaker 50

We will bring back the documents, that there won't be as big a rush on that, but we can work with them on that.

6:18:01Speaker 49

You all seem to, you know, I know there's some, you like both projects.

6:18:06 – 6:18:44Speaker 50

That's the challenge. We obviously see the ability to clean up this very problem property. And we would like to be able to do that. I think that this would provide an avenue to do that. Hopefully, the folks at HTT will still be talking to me after this. But I do think that that allows you to move forward with the pinnacle project in this cycle, allows us to acquire the property, get it cleaned up, and be ready to go forward. Whether there is another cycle issued this year, other funding opportunities for this, or it goes forward next year.

6:18:46Speaker 25

And by the way, just the fact that we may pick one over the other, there's no guarantees that the state is going to choose them.

6:18:53Speaker 50

No, there's no guarantees in this. It's important for you to note that this is a lottery process.

6:18:58 – 6:19:45Speaker 25

And my point is, we've been belatoring this for so many hours here, going back and forth and what have you, and it's not a sure thing. We can pick one or the other, and it still may not be the end result that we're really looking for. So we try to see what's best for the area, and I think for, you know, I looked at it both. One's one and a half, 1.3 acres. The other one's a half an acre. Mayor said it right, that the other one has a potential for either a coffee shop or a standalone business, which they're not going to pay what they're paying for the property, particularly with the predicament where the property is in to be able to do something like that. So even though I agree with you on the one thing, I don't believe that the money that their owner is looking for is going to be provided to do a small business when it's standalone.

6:19:45Speaker 32

I was saying it's proximity to the Johnson Street business district that exists already. People will be able to walk from where this pinnacle proposed project is. No, no, no.

6:19:53Speaker 25

I'm not talking about the 441.

6:19:54Speaker 9

I'm talking about the one on Taft Street.

6:19:57 – 6:20:23Speaker 25

that that particular parcel can get a standalone business. You mentioned that earlier, and I say you're right, they could, but I don't believe that the amount of money that they're going to have to pay for that parcel justifies just a standalone business. So I'll go along with what you guys are saying, but I can see the writing on the wall, and it looks like the 441 project has all the majority of the board when it comes to that. So I'm going along with that.

6:20:23Speaker 32

All right. So I do have Biederman and Quintana on the queue. And hopefully, we'll take a vote after or unless you guys want to vote. So go ahead, Commissioner Biederman.

6:20:30 – 6:20:55Speaker 34

So my concern is that if we were to pick the Mosaic and that deal falls apart, whether you have a signed contract and all these safety net things or not, then it falls apart. The Pinnacle deal on 441 is more of a sure deal. And let's give the fine. Listen, the city manager already said it. I think that we can kill two birds with one stone. I'm good with it.

6:20:56Speaker 32

All right. Commissioner Quintana, anything before we take a motion on, take a vote on your motion?

6:21:00 – 6:21:21Speaker 7

Well, just this was the question I had for the city attorney was just if the housing finance group chooses the property on Dixie How sure are we that the deal that HTG has with that property owner will be honored?

6:21:23 – 6:21:40Speaker 50

So I mean, I think that it's important to note, they have a signed purchase and sale agreement. And just as they would with any other project, I mean, that is typically what they're going forward with. And so you could ask that same question of any project.

6:21:40Speaker 32

You could force a closing, Idelma. You can enforce your contract. A seller can't back out if there is, unless there are terms otherwise. But yeah.

6:21:48 – 6:22:37Speaker 52

No, we have specific performance of Florida housing requirements. So the one thing I was going to say, the only sure thing, though, There's no sure thing when you go to Florida Housing. Yes, HEG and Pinnacle, we've been fortunate to get funded at the state level and build some beautiful developments. The one sure thing, though, because, again, they're in the conceptual phase. They have a purchase and sale agreement. You can ask them, what's going to happen if you guys don't get the funding? Are you going to extend the contract? Are you going to go out of contract and now find another site that you may feel is more warranted for development at a later date? One thing that's sure is that we do have a contract and we have an agreement with this seller that speaks to cleaning up the property within 90 days. And I've said that HG is committing already, regardless of whether or not we get the funding at the state level, we'll still be under contract and we're willing to clean up this property. So that's the one sure thing that you do have.

6:22:38 – 6:23:13Speaker 32

Gotcha. All right. We have a motion and a second on the floor to select the... Pinnacle Hollywood Vista project. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Opposed. Motion carries six to one. And city manager, that's with the caveat that you'll work with HTG to perhaps bring to us a financing agreement similar to how you did on Washington and Dixie to help the property be acquired and and see it through and get that loan paid back when it's selected at a future date for development.

6:23:14Speaker 50

Yes, absolutely.

6:23:15Speaker 32

All right. Thank you all. Appreciate your patience. Tough decision.

6:23:22 – 6:24:25Speaker 32

All right, we do have some folks that have been patient here looking to us to go ahead and make selections for the Historic Preservation Board and the Marine Advisory Board. Hopefully we'll get through this quick, and then we'll get to the Solid Waste Authority. Then we'll probably recess before we get to other city type business. All right, item 53 then. has an updated grid for the Historic Preservation Board. It's a resolution of the City Commission appointing six members to the Hollywood Preservation Board. Right now there are, I believe, three members on the board and they need at least one additional person to have quorum. Pat, I'll take speaker cards for item 53, which are Historic Preservation Board folks. If you are here and you have applied to be on the Historic Preservation Board, please fill out a card and speak. That would help the folks, help our commissioners be aware of what your qualities are. All right, Henry Haft followed by Adina Kaufman.

6:24:26Speaker 58

Let's go to the bathroom.

6:24:28Speaker 32

Are you Adina? Yes. Adina then, Adina Kaufman.

6:24:32Speaker 58

Hi, how are you?

6:24:36Speaker 35

OK, so my name is Adina Kaufman.

6:24:38 – 6:27:37Speaker 58

I'm an architect licensed in Venezuela. And although I'm not licensed as an architect in the United States, I have more than 30 years of experience in architectural design, interior design, renovation, and adaptive use. A very important part of my background is the restoration and renovation of a historic building in Maracay, Venezuela, which was transformed into a shopping mall. Originally, it was a factory. while preserving the character and architectural value of the original structure. That experience taught me how important it is to respect historic buildings while also allowing them to remain active, useful, and economically viable. I have also taught space planning at universities in Caracas and the University of Miami. which has helped me develop a strong understanding of how buildings function, how people move through spaces, and how design decisions affect the user's experiences. For the past 13 years, I have worked in the United States. And through school architecture, we have worked on several renovation projects presented even here in this commission involving older and historical buildings, including projects in Hollywood. That has given me a close understanding of the city, its character, and the importance of balancing preservation and responsible development. I believe I can contribute to the Historic Preservation Board with a professional design perspective, a respect for historic architecture, and a practical understanding of renovation, adaptive reuse, and compatibility. My goal would be to help to preserve the identity and history of Hollywood while supporting thoughtful improvements that keep these buildings alive and relevant for the community. I am very transparent about that. I'm not licensed in the United States, so I would not present as someone reviewing projects from a professional licensing or stamping perspective. However, I do bring extensive architectural design experience in renovation, restoration, and space planning experience. I believe that background is very valuable for a board that is reviewing compatibility, design quality, preservation intent, and the relationship between historic buildings and new interventions. So as a Hollywood resident and also working in Hollywood, I believe historic preservation should protect the identity of the city while allowing buildings to continue having active life. Why me? a bunch of architectural and interior design experience, hands-on renovation, restoration experience, historic building sensitivity, teaching experience in space planning, which allow me to communicate and express opinions and differences, local professional experience in Hollywood.

6:27:37Speaker 32

Thank you, Adina. I think you've impressed us quite well. Thank you so much. Henry Haft.

6:27:49 – 6:29:24Speaker 27

Good evening. I don't have anything prepared, but I just wanted to give you a little of my background. I grew up in South Florida in Miami Beach. But as a kid, we used to actually always come up to Hollywood. That was sort of our place of choice. And we loved the old little lakes area, the downtown, and then the beach. My wife and I moved here in 99. and move to Hollywood and love it. We moved away for a little bit when our son was born, get a little bigger house, and we came back about five years ago. People had approached me about joining this board because I have a construction background. I'm not a licensed general contractor, but I've been working for medium-sized construction companies for, I don't know, 35 years. I think that's a perspective that maybe this board needs that I think would provide a little diversity on that. I live in the Lakes area in a historic district. I'm passionate about, as a lot of you already know, about the development in this area. My educational background is I have a civil engineering degree. and a master's in civil engineering where I studied construction management and urban planning. Great.

6:29:24 – 6:29:50Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks to the two folks who are here. If I could, to the members of the commission, may I make a proposal that we select for the architectural historian urban planner position Laura Gomez, the single applicant, for the professional, Adina Kaufman, and for the two alternates, Henry Haft, who you just met, and William Treese. I have a question. All right, so go ahead, Vice Mayor.

6:29:50 – 6:30:15Speaker 49

So the last time we had the board appointments and we pushed them back because we didn't have enough applicants, Fred Furs was here, and he waited a while, and then he left. I don't know why today he wasn't here, but it's a reappointment, and I feel that he's very neutral and understanding to some extent. So I would take all your suggestions, but I would...

6:30:17Speaker 32

Have him as an alternate, too?

6:30:18Speaker 49

Have him reappoint Fred first.

6:30:23Speaker 32

So I think we need to take a right. So let's just go ahead down the line. Let's go ahead. Commissioner Shuham. Go ahead.

6:30:32 – 6:30:49Speaker 47

Henry, you said you have an engineering degree? Yes. Damaris, would he... be able to be, I know you said under GC he needed to be licensed, but can he fulfill the engineering position because he has a degree in engineering?

6:30:50Speaker 8

Is he registered with the state of Florida? No, I'm not licensed.

6:30:54Speaker 47

Even that engineering is licensed?

6:30:56 – 6:31:08Speaker 8

OK. So the requirements under 5.5 specify that if an engineer, he or she must be registered with the state of Florida.

6:31:08 – 6:31:31Speaker 47

I mean, I believe the reason Fred is probably not here is because he was the only one listed until today. And as the vice mayor said, he was here the last time when it got bumped. So I would say Laura Gomez, Fred Furze for the professional, Dana Gallup, and Fred.

6:31:31Speaker 32

We're going to take the, Pat, go ahead and call the roll, call the queue.

6:31:36Speaker 47

I just want to.

6:31:37Speaker 32

Commissioner Shum, go ahead and vote.

6:31:38Speaker 47

Dana, you're here. Do you want to speak?

6:31:43Speaker 32

Oh, Dana Gallop. I said whoever is here to speak, want to be considered, you should speak.

6:31:48Speaker 12

Thank you. Yeah, I filled out a card.

6:31:50Speaker 32

I didn't get one. Go ahead. Go ahead.

6:31:56 – 6:32:10Speaker 12

Good evening, members of the commission, mayor. My name is Dana Gallop. I live at 1309 Harrison Street. I did apply for the open position on the Historic Preservation Board.

6:32:10Speaker 32

There. You can take it.

6:32:12 – 6:35:11Speaker 12

Thank you. I also am here as the president of the Hollywood Historical Society. And I wanted to briefly address an issue that has arisen that I've spoken to staff about. For years, Terry Cantrell held the historic the Hollywood Historic Society position on the Historic Preservation Board. He was a vice president of the HHS. He was a board member and certainly a lifetime member. When he stepped down from that position and switched over to another position, the HHS was not consulted. And really, we didn't know that there was a change afoot in the HHS board position. Kathy Debono apparently applied, and the commission placed her into that position. I've spoken to staff that HHS, our board, has unanimously directed that we ask the commission to appoint to the HHS position someone who is a representative approved by the HHS. So in part, I'm here today to ask that if you do appoint me to the HPB board, that you place me in the HHS position, and you can shift Kathy DiBono to the alternate position. That would be my request. Obviously, alternatively, if the commission's not inclined to do that, then of course I would like to be appointed nevertheless to the board. And just briefly touching upon myself, I've been a resident of Hollywood since 2002. I own a historic home on Harrison Street that we went through the HPB board back in 2002 and 2003 to get approval for an addition and for a restoration. We, the next year, won the Hollywood Preservation Residential Project of the Year. By way of background further, I have a history degree from the University of Florida. I also am a lawyer. I have my office in the presidential circle. For the past 22 years, I've been committed to trying to work toward historic preservation. Obviously, now as the president of the historic society, continuing that goal. If you do me the honor of an appointment, I promise to, ensure historic preservation, but balance that with sensible development and to ensure that that continues.

6:35:11Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. So let's go ahead, Pat. Call the roll.

6:35:17Speaker 47

Well, can we do that?

6:35:19Speaker 32

Yeah. Well, she's going to call the order of the grid. No, no.

6:35:21Speaker 47

I mean, can we move Dana to the HHS seat?

6:35:26 – 6:36:01Speaker 32

I don't know if... Yeah, I mean we could always remove someone and yes, you can always do what we want. That is correct Why don't we go ahead and make the selections and then if someone wants to move to buy a supermajority to remove Kathy Devona and swap her with with Dana then You can go ahead and make that motion Pat. Go ahead Commissioner Biederman Oh Sorry hold on give me a second I'm going to light everybody up. Go ahead.

6:36:02Speaker 34

Laura Gomez, Adina Kaufman, and then the alternate, Dana Gallop.

6:36:07Speaker 32

We need two alternates.

6:36:09 – 6:36:23Speaker 34

Two alternates? Yes. I don't know. William Treece.

6:36:27Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana.

6:36:32 – 6:36:43Speaker 7

I guess I'll follow the same as Commissioner Biederman, Laura Gomez, Adina Kaufman, and Dana Gallop. One more.

6:36:44Speaker 32

And William Treese.

6:36:47Speaker 7

I guess. I don't know William.

6:36:48Speaker 32

All right. Next.

6:36:52Speaker 40

Commissioner Shulham.

6:36:55Speaker 47

Laura Gomez, Fred Furs, Dana Gallop, and Henry Haft.

6:37:07Speaker 40

Commissioner Hernandez.

6:37:09Speaker 25

I think we can all agree on Laura Gomez. Yeah. Adena Kaufman, I like the way she spoke. Dana Gallop and William Treece.

6:37:20Speaker 40

Vice Mayor Kaleri.

6:37:25 – 6:37:38Speaker 49

Laura Gomez, Adina Kaufman, and if you have any family members in Venezuela, my heart goes out to you and prayers. Fred Furs, and William Treese.

6:37:41Speaker 32

All right, we've got our winners.

6:37:43Speaker 40

Commissioner Gruber.

6:37:47Speaker 40

Excuse me, excuse me, into the mic.

6:37:50Speaker 31

Sorry. Laura Gomez, Adina Kaufman, Dana Gallop, William Treese.

6:37:57Speaker 32

Same for me. The selections are Laura Gomez, Adina Kaufman as professional, and alternates Dana Gallop and William Treese.

6:38:05Speaker 25

Motion to approve.

6:38:07Speaker 25

We have a motion and a second to approve the slate.

6:38:08Speaker 32

All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item carries unanimously.

6:38:14Speaker 32

Yes, go ahead.

6:38:15 – 6:38:26Speaker 47

What would we, could we vote on making Dana the HHS representative since he is president and making Kathy, swapping those two, making Kathy the alternate?

6:38:28Speaker 32

I'll allow the motion. If there is a second, we need a super majority to pass it.

6:38:31Speaker 47

I'll make that motion. Did we get a letter from Dana?

6:38:33Speaker 32

Is there a second that someone wants to support that swap?

6:38:38Speaker 49

I think we need a letter from Dana, I mean from Donna.

6:38:41Speaker 49

Kathy, whatever her name is.

6:38:43Speaker 32

All right, well, I can't second, so motion dies for lack of second.

6:38:46Speaker 49

So, thank you.

6:38:48 – 6:39:06Speaker 32

All right, on to item 54. This is a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Hollywood appointing seven members to the Marine Advisory Board. Let's take a look at the slate here that's on our, are there any folks here to speak on item 54? Pat, Speaker Cartz, Marine Advisory Board.

6:39:09Speaker 47

Mayor, it looks like this one is very straightforward.

6:39:12Speaker 32

Hold on. Let me take a look here. Oh, I have. All right.

6:39:17Speaker 32

All right. Let's pick them. Let's go ahead. Let me clear the queue. Vice Mayor, you said you had a question?

6:39:27Speaker 49

For legal. Go ahead. No, I'm going to call her.

6:39:30 – 6:39:59Speaker 32

OK. All right. So we've got no one here to speak. And then there's a fellow here from Marine Industry Professional. And we have to pick two from a Hollywood resident member. I can just add that I know there Henry Buzgon was previously on the Marine Advisory Board, and he's a quality person. So I can just give you that feedback. He lives in the Lakes neighborhood. The others I don't know personally. But go ahead. Commissioner Shuham.

6:40:00 – 6:40:16Speaker 47

If you do Rick Goldman, marine professional, Henry Buzgon for a Hollywood resident, Christopher Wilson as member one, and youth members, Zachary Manassi, you get everybody that applied. I would make that motion.

6:40:18 – 6:40:58Speaker 32

I got you. All right. Well, that's a way to resolve it. And that's fine, I think. So unless there's an objection, could someone make a motion to carry that? We have a motion from Commissioner Kaleri, Vice Mayor Kaleri, and a second from Commissioner Quintana to approve Rick Goldman as Marine Industry Professional, Hollywood resident member as Henry Busgon, and Christopher Kane-Wilson, and as member category, Zachary Manassi. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item carries unanimously. All right, thank you. Let's go to Vice Mayor. Go ahead.

6:40:58 – 6:41:12Speaker 49

I would just like to, I wanted to make sure legally, I would like to go back to the board appointments as far as removing De Bono and just placing Dana in place of her.

6:41:13Speaker 32

So that was the suggestion. And so you'd like to do that. All right, is there a second to that?

6:41:20Speaker 49

No, I would like to remove her from the board. It's at our discretion. And so I would like to remove her and place Dana.

6:41:27 – 6:41:45Speaker 32

Okay. So that's a motion. Is there a second? I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries six to one. Thank you. All right. All right. So Dana has his HHS position on the Historic Preservation Board.

6:41:45Speaker 49

That's how you work.

6:41:46Speaker 32

All right. So that will leave one alternate position open for the future.

6:41:54 – 6:42:45Speaker 32

All right. So let's go down now to the SWA item. Mayor Ryan has been here since 1 o'clock. And I was testing his patience. I didn't even know it was at least going to be past 4 o'clock. But hey, you're a trooper for being here all day, Mayor Ryan. I see some other folks here as well. Item 48. I'm sorry, hold on. Item 50. Hold on. Item 51 is a resolution of the city commission conditionally approving and authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the first and second agreements to the interlocal agreement for solid waste disposal and recyclable materials processing authority of Broward County, Florida. This is brought forward by Public Works. And we've got Joe Kroll ahead of us.

6:42:45 – 6:43:10Speaker 4

Go ahead, Joe. Mayor vice mayor commissioners Joseph Kroll director of Public Works, so the item before you this evening almost always authority Amendments one and two to the interlocal agreement We have mr. Mike Ryan, who is the chair of the executive and the governing board of the Saddleways Authority to further clarify these amendments.

6:43:10 – 6:43:35Speaker 32

But Joe, why don't you clarify what the staff has worked on similar to Fort Lauderdale. This is a conditional approval. Can you explain the second amendment so the commissioners are aware of the open out that we have for another year. And so there really is no downside to, even for those that were hesitant, no downside to continuing to allow staff and the cities to work with SWA and get to a product that in the end we will want to stay with a year from now.

6:43:36 – 6:43:50Speaker 4

Yes. Basically, they added the second amendment, as you stated, Mayor, that allows cities to remove themselves if they're not favorable to the costs that they're going to propose. Right.

6:43:51 – 6:44:26Speaker 32

And as well, if this, adopting the second amendment, would be contingent on the first amendment. Yes, sir. Speaker cards. I mean, it seems, Commissioner Biederman, that that was the presentation. Yeah. Unless you want more clarification on the new conditions? Okay. Let's go ahead with Julie Long, followed by Michael Seltzer. He's not here. Julie Long, are you here? Go ahead. Followed by Mayor Ryan, then Stephanie Joffe.

6:44:28 – 6:46:09Speaker 45

Good evening, Mayor, Commissioners. Thank you for the privilege of speaking. I'm here to speak in support of the First and Second Amendment to the Interlocal Agreement of the Solid Waste Authority. I live in Plantation, but waste is a regional issue and not a municipal problem. Waste is also a public health issue. As a retired pediatric surgeon, I've seen the consequences of environmental degradation and its impact on children's health. We all need clean air and water and green spaces unspoiled by trash. Now we need a yes note from the Hollywood Commission for this landmark agreement. This is a carefully crafted plan developed by consensus from elected officials of 28 municipalities and the county. I've attended many of those meetings. They've been collaborative. They've been informative. They've taken input from the public, from business. And it's been very open. The plan provides for uniform recycling throughout the county, removing resources such as organic and construction and demolition debris from the landfill, and a robust education program. No municipality in Broward County is able to provide the kind of education programs that we need to really move the agenda on dealing with our long-term waste problems. The plan is a living plan that will operate with input from the municipalities and can adapt as technology evolves. There is good infrastructure for dealing with waste in Broward County, but it is all owned by private industry. By working together, we will be able to make better deals with these companies. We are all residents of Broward County, and we need this plan that is fiscally responsible and provides for a healthier, clean Broward for all of us. Thank you.

6:46:10 – 6:46:21Speaker 32

All right. Why don't we go ahead and allow Stephanie Jaffe and we'll let Mayor Ryan close it out. Stephanie Jaffe, are you here? Yeah. He'll be the closer. He'll hit the home run on the way home.

6:46:21 – 6:49:09Speaker 54

Okay. Good afternoon. My name is also Dr. Stephanie Joffe. After listening to your workshop regarding solid waste master plan, I'd like to address some of your concerns and mine if the facilities plan is not approved. Your greatest concern is obviously cost, but the projected annual cost per household in Hollywood will be $11 less than households are paying now. For less money, you will get, one, economies of scale from tonnage across the entire county, Waste processors may offer individual cities short-term incentives to decline participation in the master plan, but no single municipality will be able to match the collective negotiating power of all SWA member cities combined. That is why the city of Fort Lauderdale decided to participate. It's also worth noting that municipalities will continue to contract individually for hauling services. SWA membership does not change that. Two, price stability through 20-year contracts, now with two opt-out amendments, added specifically in response to your concerns about initial and future costs. Three, a robust education outreach program already rolling out in schools in the community, which should lower recycling costs through reduced contamination and larger commodity rebates. Four, a nimble governing board with the knowledge and resources to keep pace with the most economical and sustainable technologies available. Five, investment now in reducing, reusing, recycling, and composting that will ultimately save Hollywood far more than it costs, because the alternative is more resilient infrastructure, which is much greater expense than processing solid waste. We may not be able to undo the damage already done, but we can still mitigate what comes next. That brings me to environmental concerns. Achieving flow control to divert and recycle materials before they become solid waste will extend the life of our landfill and incinerator. We are already in a solid waste crisis, generating over 5 million tons of garbage a year with precious little space left. We must act now, and the simplest, most cost-effective way to do that is by working collaboratively with the SWA. The time to act is now. For us and for the generations of Hollywood residents who will inherit the choices we make today, I respectfully urge you to vote in favor of the solid waste facilities amendments. Thank you.

6:49:09Speaker 32

Thank you. Michael Ryan.

6:49:15 – 6:52:23Speaker 28

Mr. Chair, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, and commissioners, we are facing a generational decision tonight, a once in a generation opportunity to correct the errors of 50 years ago, of 40 years ago, and of 30 years ago that destined us to the environmental and economic crisis we face today. It destined us to a governance crisis that took us 10 years to unwind from. Four of you were here when the RRB fell apart. You remember what that was about. Sunrise was the lead plaintiff in suing the county. I am deeply aware, because I was there. I was part of the negotiations. I went to the mediations. I argued with the county. And I remember what you remember, the problems that we faced and the lessons we learned. We made sure in the development of the SWA that it was not RRB number two. Every city is on the governing board. I am one of your colleagues on the governing board. The SWA is the cities. We have the voice. And we made sure that happened through hard-fought negotiations because we never forgot those lessons from the RRB. You were there leading it as we gathered the cities together. And it was not easy because there was so much resentment. And we've now built what is possible when we combine our tonnage, when we combine our force, and we combine our will for the cities to govern our way out of this. Our votes, our decisions. This is our last opportunity. To go back to the fragmented system will result in what Hollywood is struggling with already. Not a member of the global agreement, paying more than other cities. And for cities that do not vote to participate, they will not get the most favored nation. They will not get the opportunity to participate in that. And they will have to deal with that alone. We heard Hollywood. Mr. Mayor, you sent a letter. endorsing the concept of the unconditional opt-out. It did not pass the first time through. But I listened to what Hollywood said. I listened to what Fort Lauderdale said. And when we came back, I put it on the agenda to make sure there was that unconditional opt-out, as you said, Mr. Mayor, in introducing this. Why? This is not because the SWA is open for business. It's because I have faith in what we can do as cities, that we are going to deliver on the mission of taking on this environmental and economic crisis that's taken us 10 years to get back together. I have so much faith in this. I do not care that it's conditional approval tonight if you were to pass it, because I know a year from now that we will continue to work together, because you have been one of the leaders as a governing board member. I thank you tonight for putting this on the agenda. And by the way, Mr. Mayor, I think the peptides would probably be the text messages and all the emails in between each of those. Thank you to development. I'm going to get a copy of that PowerPoint. Thank you.

6:52:23Speaker 1

CHRISTOPHER COLEMAN.

6:52:23 – 6:52:41Speaker 32

Thank you, Mayor. Just to staff, obviously the contingency also requires the adoption of the Second Amendment by all the cities, right? Or else it terminates automatically, correct? And is there a deadline to the adoption of the Second Amendment by all the cities at this point?

6:52:43 – 6:53:11Speaker 28

There is not. But given the angst, every city has it on its agenda before August 14. Even though they have to re- Correct. Sunrise has already passed it. West End passed it last night. Everybody's passing the second. Because just to your point, when we came back on that amendment, while it had been a split vote for a variety of reasons, Everyone on the governing board voted for it. It was unanimous, from small city to large city. So we don't have any doubt that the Second Amendment will pass. That's how confident we are.

6:53:12 – 6:53:23Speaker 32

All right. Well, I know we'll have time to also work on the governance issues that Fort Lauderdale raised and others. And so there'll be some runway to continue to keep the faith and see if we can make this work. Commissioner Quintana, for a motion.

6:53:24Speaker 7

I'd like to make a motion to approve.

6:53:26Speaker 32

All right. Commissioner Biederman. Is there a second?

6:53:30Speaker 34

No, that's not a second. I just have questions.

6:53:32Speaker 32

Is there a second on the motion? Second. Second from Commissioner Shuham. Commissioner Bierman.

6:53:36 – 6:54:19Speaker 34

Thank you, Mayor. So I have some questions still that really haven't been answered. OK. What happens to our existing contracts if we join the SWA? We have a contract for a solid waste disposal, recycling disposal. And while I'm waiting for the city manager to have somebody talk, I do take offense that we are a leader in the county. We don't have it. We are separating our recyclables. We are separating our bulk. We are separating our... But we have people stand up here and send us emails like we're backwoods like some of the other cities. So I do take offense, and that kind of pushes me away from this approval. Joseph?

6:54:23Speaker 4

Mr. Chair, to answer your question, our contracts are still in place until we officially give them notice that we want to pull and go with the Solid Waste Authority.

6:54:35 – 6:55:00Speaker 28

This is something all cities have to struggle with, the synchronizing of the contracts. We are not displacing, and it will not be displaced, without Hollywood deciding how to do that with the public works and the city manager. So we'll not have an impact by approving it. And yes, you are a leader. And if anyone has any doubt about it, Hollywood is a leader. And many of the programs that you guys have already started in pilots have been presented and other cities are adopting.

6:55:03Speaker 34

It was said by somebody that there's no public dumps. Everything is privatized in the county. Is that so?

6:55:14 – 6:55:39Speaker 28

So we know that our landfill and our WTE is privatized. The county has its facility, which is an opportunity for various aspects of the commodity stream, whether that's for composting as we move forward or others. But this is the crisis we face. We're not only here. But because of the decisions made 40 years ago, we gave away the waste to energy plant. We paid for it. We paid the mortgage on it. We paid the bonds.

6:55:39Speaker 34

We didn't. The county did.

6:55:41 – 6:55:56Speaker 28

No. Right. We didn't give it away. The county then gave them the keys, and we don't own it. So we don't own any of that, like Palm Beach County and others. So we have to only work with our tonnage, our economic power, and the time that we can commit in a contract to get the best price possible.

6:55:56 – 6:56:07Speaker 34

So who owns the... dump, for lack of a better term, on 27, where our brush goes to, right?

6:56:07Speaker 28

You're talking about the county BIC?

6:56:11Speaker 34

On 27, the old dump, or whatever it is, the new dump, where people go to dump their stuff.

6:56:18 – 6:56:37Speaker 28

So the waste manager owns Monarch Hill. The county owns what's out on 27 in the southwest corner. But that's utilized not for your class one waste. Your waste is trucked and delivered to your disposal contracts landfill out of area.

6:56:37Speaker 34

So what do we dump on 27? Or what is 27 used for? It's not used for anything? So when a resident has to go to a dump, they go out to 27, no?

6:56:47 – 6:57:01Speaker 28

ERIC SCHMIDT- No, it's not. All of your class one waste is handled by your disposal folks. It goes out of area. I know. What goes to 27? ERIC SCHMIDT- So the BIC is not used as a dump. It's construction demolition to some extent.

6:57:01Speaker 4

27 is usually the residents can go if you're and drop off your bulk.

6:57:05 – 6:57:41Speaker 34

ERIC SCHMIDT- I've been there several times. Not recently, but all right. So here's my issue. I've had hours on the phone with multiple different people over the last couple of weeks. I was on the original meeting in Sunrise when we first started talking before it was the SWA. So I'm not as in tune to it as Commissioner Kaleri or Commissioner Hernandez that was on the RRB back in the day. How are we saving $11?

6:57:43Speaker 28

You're not spending $11. I don't know where that number came from.

6:57:45Speaker 34

No, somebody said we're spending $11. We're saving $11 by joining the SWA?

6:57:49 – 6:58:06Speaker 28

You're not spending $11. It's $3 per household per, hang on, she said spending, not saving. Right now, your contract that you pay, and I think this is what staff prepared for you, if you join the SWA, at the rates that we have targeted, if we don't do any better, you save $250,000.

6:58:07Speaker 34

What does that translate to residents? Because somebody said we spent $11 a month.

6:58:10Speaker 28

I have to defer that to staff. I don't know where that number came from.

6:58:13 – 6:58:25Speaker 34

Is it $11 a month? $7 a month? So joining the SWA, our residents are going to save $7 a month? Is that what we're spinning out there?

6:58:25Speaker 24

So, Commissioner, if I may, what are you referencing, the $7? So right now, we're paying- I heard $11.

6:58:31Speaker 34

Now it's $7. A ton.

6:58:33 – 6:58:46Speaker 24

So right now, we're paying $59 for our- I'm sorry, $67 for our solid waste. If we join the global agreement, it will be $59, which is currently what the county is currently paying. Per ton, not per resident.

6:58:46 – 7:00:03Speaker 34

No, I understand that. OK. So that's how much? $7? How much? 67 minus 59. All right, $8. Correct. So it's $8 per ton. OK. So here's my issue. When we joined, when we talked about it in the original meeting in Sunrise, we talked about infrastructure. And we were going to create a recycling facility, state of the art. And we were going to do all these things. You know, I kind of feel like we I sent my girlfriend to the car dealer to buy an Escalade. And she came back and said, I got you an Escalade. It'll be here in the morning. And I wake up in the morning, and it's an Uber. And she said, but I got you an Escalade. So that's the way I feel. We signed up for one thing. We signed up for infrastructure. And we're getting bureaucracy. So I'm having a serious, serious issue with that. In 2011, the city filed financial urgency. We got rid of the in-house garbage a year before that, filed financial urgency. I feel like we signed up for a pension with the SWA, and we got a pen.

7:00:04 – 7:01:23Speaker 28

So let me deal with this very directly, because I was there at the beginning in bringing the cities back together. It was my vision that we would build a state of our recycling center, because we didn't need to make money. We just needed to break even. We might even be willing to subsidize it because of the paramount interest. But you know what the problem is? Government. It has taken us this long to come to this night. In the meantime that we argued, and the solid waste working group, and we argued over the ILA, and Citi said they needed more time, and we needed to do this, and the three years of developing this master plan, you know what happened? Waste management put $90 million in and built it. That's just the nature of the problem of government. And it's a challenge of having 31 municipalities all with a voice. Now, if this was the county shoving it down our throat, we wouldn't have a problem. But we bought into this because we said we want to have our control of our own destiny. This is the product. So no, this isn't an Uber the next morning. It is the challenge and the stress that you feel when you want to put affordable housing in. Why isn't it going in overnight? Why is it that we have to live with this? Why does it have to go through permitting? Why did it have to go through every commission? Why did it have to go through staff and TAC? Because the product that came out was better, and this is the system we work in. But it's going to be the same thing. It's another bureaucracy. It's not a bureaucracy.

7:01:23Speaker 34

Instead of us having our procurement department go out to RFP and getting the best deal for us, We have to go to, we have to rely on you guys to do the work for us.

7:01:31Speaker 28

But you didn't do that, right? Because you're not a member of the global agreement. So already you don't have the best deal in the county. We already have a better deal than you do here in Hollywood.

7:01:39Speaker 34

I don't know if that's accurate, though.

7:01:41 – 7:02:50Speaker 28

That is accurate. You're not part of the- You don't have a deal, though. No, but I already, but here's the point. There was an effort in a global agreement where we gave up our procurement and we got a better price. This is- Correct. Through the incinerator, right? You're paying more. So what's the deal here? The idea is that by combining your tonnage, by making it all of the tonnage together, you get the best price over a term. Because your procurement goes through a fraction of tonnage in the county for a fraction of period of time. And this is what they did to us over the last decade. They fragmented us. And some of us got a good deal on this part. And we got... held over the barrel on that part. And really going forward, the real risk is with finite capacity of landfill and WTE, when we are not together and they know we are divided, which is why some in the industry are chirping in elected's ears about this, when they know we can't do this, they will hold us over the barrel. When it's the only place to go and we don't have choices, your prices will go up. It is not a bureaucracy. There's one person in the SWA, and he sits there. It's a consultant who's going to do the RFPs.

7:02:50Speaker 16

Well, he told me there are two.

7:02:51 – 7:03:05Speaker 34

Well, she's awesome, right? She is. So there are two. We just doubled it. We're going to have 100%. OK. So how much money is in the SWA now with the $460,000, whatever the number is, that we've paid over the last three years? I don't have the number.

7:03:05Speaker 28

560, sorry. Happy to get that for you. It's reported every month to the board members. The governing board is aware of it and been provided. So we can certainly provide that.

7:03:12Speaker 34

Do we know how much money is in there, Commissioner Shuham? I don't know offhand.

7:03:18 – 7:03:44Speaker 28

What I can tell you is that the budget is part of the process that is the city's. Every city is going over the budget. This is not the county making these decisions like they did in the RRB, where we had no idea where that money was going, and we didn't know why we were paying it, and we didn't know how many employees were being paid. This is all us. If this fails, it will be because we failed. If this fails, it will live up to what the counties always said about us as cities, that we can't govern ourselves.

7:03:45 – 7:05:06Speaker 34

So let me ask you a question. So let's say you guys have your 27 cities. We take a back seat, like Pembroke Pines and the other one. And you absorb the... MAJORITY OF THE RESOURCES FOR TIPPING, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE OUT THERE LIKE THE ONES WE ARE USING NOW THAT ARE GOING TO BE CLAMORING FOR GARBAGE TO KEEP THEIR FACILITIES RUNNING. SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DROP THEIR PRICE A LITTLE BIT. IF WHOEVER WE'RE USING NOW, WASTE CONNECTIONS? WE'RE USING WASTE CONNECTIONS NOW. HOW MANY OTHER CITIES USE WASTE CONNECTIONS? So if two of those three, we're one of the three, if two of the three go with the SWA, they're going to need more customers. And if we leave... They're not going to have any. So they're going to go to the SWA, and they're going to charge, whatever it is. But if we're there, and if there's another source to dump that, like Waste Connections, and you take away their customers, they're going to compete with Waste Connections to get whoever's left. So I think that we are going to be in a good position if we sit out of the SWA.

7:05:07 – 7:06:21Speaker 28

I think the data that is known and understood in the waste industry is everything but that. Standing alone is not going to get you a better price, not over the long term. And when you have no other choice, when you cannot join the SWA, when you have no other disposal, talk to Miami-Dade County. When the waste energy plant burned down, they had no choices. Their prices are in trouble. They are in a desperate situation because they had no alternative. I would posit to you, I cannot project the future. I can't tell you that you may not get a better deal over a short period of time. But what I can guarantee you is basic economics and what every consultant in the trash industry will tell you is that when you combine your tonnage, you do two things. You get the best price, and you reduce volatility of price. You will absolutely enhance volatility of price because you'll have nowhere else to go. I welcome, if they wish to come in here and tell you they'll give you a better deal, why didn't they tell you to join the global agreement? Why didn't they tell you to do something else differently? So I don't have a crystal ball. Commissioner, you may be right. But what I can tell you is that everything about economics and everything that's known in the trash industry bids against that.

7:06:21 – 7:06:34Speaker 34

Why was WTE charging us $99 a ton And then when that all broke up, they just told everybody they had to charge them $39 a ton in 2012 or whenever it was.

7:06:34 – 7:07:44Speaker 28

JONATHAN ZITTRAIN- It wasn't $39. Here's what happened, because I hauled them in front. So when we had finished paying off the bonds, the price went down. The question we had at that time is, why isn't it lower after we just paid for the plan? And I know because I was one of those mayors who brought waste management to Sunrise and said, I want to know why it's not cheaper. What is your break-even point? Remember, we don't own this, so we don't get it. They said, I'm not telling you. It's proprietary. You have nowhere else to go. We had no ability at that time. There was a brief period of time where we could have stayed together. But in all honesty, Commissioner, you know, and those that were there, there was so much resentment over the RRB that the idea of extending it and allowing the county to, because we probably could have kept it together. It was possible. But we saw, even in the litigation, we couldn't even figure out what the assets were. You know, Commissioner Herbst, who voted in favor of this, who has a lot of resentment over the RRB, was the auditor that we brought in, and he remembers how difficult it was for us to even find out from the county what the assets are. The transparency issues we had with the RRB are eliminated because you are the SWA.

7:07:45Speaker 32

I want to hear other people talk. Thank you. Commissioner Hernandez and Gruber, and we do have a motion on the floor. Go ahead, Commissioner Hernandez.

7:07:52 – 7:08:17Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. Mayor, thank you for being here. A couple of the questions that I have is the process, because the devil is in the detail. We're talking about having economy scales, because we're going to have all this tonnage to be able to do. Sometimes, in my experience, having the economy scale with such volume works against you, because you only have one place to go.

7:08:19Speaker 28

I'll follow you through on this, yes.

7:08:21 – 7:08:39Speaker 25

And at the end of the day, the process for us, let's say our contractor, our hauling contractor, which is not part of this. We're just talking about the tipping at this point. Where is the tipping going to be taking place? and how quick that process would cycle those trucks. Do you have an answer or a no-no?

7:08:39 – 7:09:49Speaker 28

RICK BERKELEY JR.: Yeah, no, it's a great question. So we are facing that right now, where there are concerns about the amount of time on some delivery of WT. We know that's an issue. We know that Waste Management, in building its facility for recycling, took that into consideration with multiple drop-offs within. So we know that's a consideration. When it comes to the RFP process, which If you're participating, your staff's involved. Mr. Kroll will be involved in that, in developing it. One of the issues that we are going to be faced with is what tonnage can be handled where, and do we end up dividing it up to get the best price? So to your point, there is an insulation to that because that's exactly what the consultants are already discussing, which is when you have multiple, I'll say they're providers, whatever disposal options there are, they're going to be competing for some aspect of that tonnage. That's got to be the way we maximize our best price. So I accept what you're saying. I just wanted to say that we've already begun that process of how do we make sure that to a market that wants to compete, that has capacity, that we don't have other externalities, transportation or otherwise, that we can maximize that best price.

7:09:49 – 7:10:24Speaker 25

But to Commissioner Biederman's point was you're going to be doing procurement much the same as we could be doing procurement when it comes to that thing because you don't have one particular place that has the ability to handle all of it. So that's the concern that I have, number one. Number two, you hit the land on the head. You said government, bureaucracy. We have an issue getting along and coming up, as you probably sat through, coming up with three good projects. Can you imagine 31 municipalities? You've gone through that because you're the chair of that.

7:10:24 – 7:11:21Speaker 28

Yeah, absolutely. If anyone thinks that the SMEA was any different than the meeting tonight, it hasn't been, right? It's not. But what I would say is that everybody who's been participating is energized by the memory of the RRB. That has never been far from our memory. Resource Recovery Board. Right. And I don't even want to say the whole word. I don't want to even say the whole word, right, because there's a PTSD associated with it. But my point being is that what you would find if you saw these meetings is that the cities, because we have a voice, and because all the voices are heard, and because staff is listened to, have actually moved things forward in a way that's far more collaborative than I would have ever expected. So when it comes to the RFP process, which had begun just by way of we covered this last meeting, we wanted to come forward and say, hey, here's what the pricing is. This is the RFPs that we went out with. The problem was the industry said, until we know whether you have the tonnage, we're not pricing. Right?

7:11:21 – 7:11:51Speaker 25

To your point earlier. But see, that's a cop-out if you ask me, because you can say X, Y, and Z. Based on this volume, it's still priced. Based on this volume is the other one. And you would be able to give a clear message to the municipalities as to what to stake if they join or if they don't join. For example, if everybody's on board, let's say $58, which I believe is what the going price is right now, $57 and change. If everybody doesn't join, it's going to be $65. And what are we paying right now?

7:11:51 – 7:12:04Speaker 28

Yeah, but it's not everybody. It's not just everybody, right? It's what tonnage. So here's what I would say to that. There's no question because of this unconditional opt-out that we are going to have to do exactly that, right? There is going to have to be.

7:12:04 – 7:12:24Speaker 25

I get it. But the part that I don't understand, and some of my colleagues are having a hard run with, is why do we got to commit before you give the price? Why can't you give the price? Because you guys asked for that, because that's what the SWA said. The SWA. The SWA said that we can't. The group. Correct. Combined said this, because the industry would not give you a price.

7:12:24 – 7:13:25Speaker 28

Right, but now we, once we have this sign, and we exist past August 14th, The RFP says, this is what our tonnage is. Tell us what. And listen, you could talk to Bob Healey from WTE side of this. You could talk to the others. Waste management has been at the table in understanding what's going on here. The RFP process is going to be based on those. And make no mistake, we are not doing a scenario that includes, well, what if some other cities join that didn't? It's going to be based on the tonnage because we're going to start at that outset. The next threshold down is only going to be 80% of that. If we get below that, then the SWA is going to fall apart again, right? So our job is to come back to you. And to the mayor's point earlier, if we don't do it, if we don't deliver, then you get out. I've been working at this for seven years. I'm not trying to sell you something. I'm trying to tell you that if we continue to work together, that we can get this, what we couldn't get in 1990, what we couldn't get in 2000, what we couldn't get in 2010.

7:13:25 – 7:13:46Speaker 25

I don't want to go back to having to pay $108 a ton. Neither do I. As we had to do it because we were contractually obligated. And the risk of that is real. Now, you're standing here in front of us based on what you know today. And as you said earlier, you don't have a crystal ball. Right, but the reason we're paying $180 is because we were paying the bonds.

7:13:46Speaker 28

We were paying the bonds. We didn't own it at the end. There is no appetite. I think this is clear. No, we paid the bonds.

7:13:53 – 7:14:20Speaker 25

We paid the bonds. And we wind up with nothing. We paid the mortgage and gave the keys to the bank. Because we were not in control. We weren't. We weren't at the table. And that's the reason why I like my staff, even though I may argue with them every now and then because of some things that I don't agree with. But I know that the control stays locally. And that's the issue. And look, my heart goes out because I know you spent seven years on this. And this has been something.

7:14:20Speaker 28

I'm not alone. I'm not alone.

7:14:20 – 7:14:34Speaker 25

Well, I know you're not. I don't know how I can support this because of that, because we don't control it. And I know what has happened in the past, unfortunately. And that's the fear that I have. Fair enough. But my respect to you.

7:14:34Speaker 28

And you know I respect you as well. God bless you. Thank you. Thank you.

7:14:37Speaker 32

Commissioner Gruber.

7:14:39 – 7:14:54Speaker 31

Thank you. Mayor, if you don't mind. Sorry. Thank you. I appreciate all your hard work, and I appreciate you. I noticed you show up like nine hours ago, and I was like, that poor guy. I don't know if you looked at the- No, listen.

7:14:54Speaker 28

Like I said, I've already learned something. I'm going to get some PowerPoints from you guys to share with staff. They're going to tell me to stop attending other city meetings.

7:15:05 – 7:15:44Speaker 31

So back to what Commissioner Biederman said. It seems, so a few years ago, four years ago, we were sold something like the sky is falling. We're running out of capacity. We need to get, and this is how I understood it, we need to get all the cities together. We need to build a plant. And someone correct me if I'm wrong. That's how I understood it. And we got this group together. And four years later, right, three and a half, three years later, Now we're told it took so long that someone built a facility. We're not running out of capacity, right? Or that's what I thought I heard on the last meeting.

7:15:44Speaker 28

We are running out of class one capacity. The WT is at capacity, and your landfill is at capacity.

7:15:50 – 7:16:01Speaker 31

So from what I heard in our last meeting, that there was enough... Recycling. OK. But there's no plan of building any facility here?

7:16:02 – 7:16:42Speaker 31

So we're no longer planning on building a facility. We have this group that we've paid $560,000 to so far. We have consultants figuring out how we're going to leverage our buying power. I hate hearing consultants because I think just like you, every time you go down an agenda and you see how much you're paying consultants, okay, but whatever. And then... We don't have pricing, and we need to wait a year to get the pricing. You do have pricing. So my question is this. What took so long to come to this? It seems like you could have come up with this plan much quicker than what I'm hearing is the plan.

7:16:43Speaker 28

I welcome that. And what I would do is I would welcome everyone to participate in one of these groups.

7:16:49Speaker 31

Right. Well, we designated one of our colleagues. No, no.

7:16:53 – 7:20:22Speaker 28

I mean everyone. I mean everyone. Because what happens is people say from the back, I don't understand. And we had to designate why it goes so slow. Let's back up. The first step of this was our effort to say, can we just copy the playbook, which would be simple, from Palm Beach County? And you know what happened? It was a bucket of cold water in the face of everybody who was participating. Because when you looked at the decisions they made 30 years ago, they own the plant. They own the transfer stations. They own the landfill. They own the trucks. And they have their employees. And they run it across the county from a dependent district that is made up of the county commissioners. They built their way to stability. And as a result, they're achieving recycling rates of 80% and 90%. We're at 39% if you count 10% for burning. When we looked at it, the reality was there's no more space to build now. Palm Beach County was in a different spot when they were building. There's a private infrastructure that exists that is overlapping and available. And there was no stomach, no economic, environmental, social or even political appetite to go build new plants, combined with the fact that we as cities couldn't come to the decision about what is a master plan going to look like without the help. If we could have switched, I have no doubt if you took the folks that were involved in the RB, all of the ones left, worked your way around Sunshine, sat down and we said, what are we going to do here? We would have built that recycling plant right away. We would have dropped the bonds. We knew what the answer was. I know because I was part of those discussions at the start with those mayors, with Stermer and Messam and Mayor Levy and all these that we were talking saying, let's just go build. But there was no way to do it and build the agreements around it and to make sure where are you going to put it. You know what they had there, waste management, they had the site. Don't play. That's a whole other issue. They do. And we're going to take advantage of that for various other commodities. But for us to do the funding. That's the key. You know what happens with waste management? They meet with the board. They say, hey, let's put $90 million into South Florida. We can take recycling from other parts of the state, and we can do that. Fine. Yes. I'm not saying it's that easy. But compared to what it takes to even approve number one on a project to go forward that we don't even know if you'll get the lottery, I feel it. I deal with it. I know. You raised the point. What if none of them get? We do this all the time. But that's because government doesn't operate like business. We don't have the opportunity to just go out and bond. And if we had been able to, I guarantee you that's it. Because I know from my business background and from my frustrations of doing this as a mayor going on 16 years is that doesn't move quick enough ever for me. And your point is absolutely taken. But I will tell you, it wasn't a three-card Monty. It wasn't a bait and switch. The SWA was meeting at sometimes twice a month to keep this moving forward. I mean, maybe Commissioner Schum can attest this. I am unrelenting on getting these meetings scheduled. I will not cancel a meeting, and I don't start late. It's a lot of hard work. But I appreciate your sentiment, because you and I have work to do to change how this happens.

7:20:23Speaker 31

DAVID SANGER- Yeah. One other question. So you had mentioned all the cities already have approved this. But did I hear that a couple of cities?

7:20:29 – 7:20:50Speaker 28

DAVID SANGER- 19 cities have approved the Facilities Amendment, which is the First Amendment. We've gone back to the cities that have already approved and got it all on their agendas for the Second Amendment. We have Miramar coming up, Davie, Lauder Hill. And that's really beginning to round out. Deerfield Beach and some other cities.

7:20:50Speaker 31

Have any cities said no?

7:20:51 – 7:21:33Speaker 28

No. In fact, I think it's really important. Fort Lauderdale was as vocal as Hollywood in the concerns. These concerns you have are, I'm not denigrating them, but they're not novel. These are the concerns we all have. Same concerns you're having. Whether you vote yes or no is not the issue. The same concerns exist. And Fort Lauderdale voted unanimously last week to say, let's keep working on this. And that's really what this vote is about, as the mayor introduced this. Let's just keep working at it, because I think we can get there. And I thank you for your leadership, because it took the Broward League to pull us back together. Whether you vote yes or no, the Broward League had to pull us together. ROBERT J.

7:21:33Speaker 32

Commissioner Quintana? COMMISSIONER QUINTONA.

7:21:35 – 7:23:45Speaker 7

Well, that's exactly what I was just about to say. I was about to say that. I know that these conversations started 10 years ago, and I was there taking notes. And part of what took a long time was the fact that there were so many people who experienced the breakup of the Resource Recovery Board and the trauma they had with that. And all of the effort and pushback that came up at every single meeting from the cities to ensure that the balance of power was, there's one member from the county, and there's 28 cities. And there was so much heartache and so much fighting to ensure that that happened. That's part of what delayed it so long. That's why it took so long. You want to know why it took? Yeah, government. OK, you can blame it on government. But it's really about cities wanting to be sure that we did not repeat the mistakes that had happened in the past. And I wanted to commend Mary Lou Tai from the Broward League of Cities. And I know that through part of that process, Vice Mayor Kalari was, in her presidency, and also was in support of this at the time. We have several other presidents that have been through it. And Denise Horland is here. And I know how hard she's worked to bring it to this point as a president of the Broadleague of Cities. To be clear, It seems to me that we're not at this point taking such a big risk because in a year, we'll have a lot more detail about the money. And we will then be able to decide if it's something that we want to opt out of. So really, we don't have a lot to lose with this. It's just bring us more detail about the money so we could make an informed decision for our residents.

7:23:46Speaker 32

Thank you, Commissioner Quintana. Vice Mayor Clary will have the last word and we'll take a vote. And then we're going to take a recess for everybody to put some food in their mouth.

7:23:56 – 7:24:42Speaker 49

So, Mike, I mean, God bless you. You're fighting the good fight. You put a lot of effort and time into it along with. all the members of the SWA. Obviously, we can't not recognize the amount of effort that's been placed. The Broad League of Cities, everyone knows, number one fan of the Broad League of Cities, 31 cities unite together. We move things. We're one Broward. But unfortunately, the political arena and the bureaucracy is really, really challenging. We, as a city, already have our infrastructure that is existing. Yes, the challenges of where it goes and how it goes, how it gets delivered and processed, but we have our infrastructure. And you've mentioned we're a role model, kind of, sort of.

7:24:43Speaker 28

Not for pricing. Huh? Not for pricing.

7:24:48Speaker 49

Not for pricing, but we have our structure in place.

7:24:52 – 7:25:16Speaker 28

All cities have their structure in place. What we're doing is making sure that the disposal is the best price, not just in the short term, but for the long term. That's where the cities are at risk. None of us are not picking up the garbage. None of us are not doing recycling. None of us are not thinking about composting. That's not the issue. It's that we are at a crisis of environment. We are not recycling at the level. Hollywood's not, and nobody is.

7:25:16 – 7:26:21Speaker 49

No, I know that. And that's what this process- From the county down. Correct. We've sat through the meetings. I've sat through some of the meetings. But just for clarification purposes, yes, I was president during the time of when this was established. Was I in favor or not? I don't think anybody was in favor or anyone was against it. It was the fear of unknown and the fear of we have nowhere to put it. So I'm not going to say that I was like, hey, yes, we got to do this. Did I believe that we're better in numbers? 100%. Do I believe that we are one Broward and that we could somehow come to a understanding? Call me naive, call me wishful thinking, but that's where my thought process went when this was initiated. And was it good for good things? Absolutely. Where I have the biggest problem is the projected price is yet unknown for the overall, for the build-out, for the OK, go ahead, Mike.

7:26:21 – 7:27:10Speaker 28

MIKE MCCURRY- No, I can say that as part of the master plan, we set the maximum price, which is better than the pricing you have now. We know that in going out in the RFP, we have already said, based on what we know in the industry and what our consultant has said based on a tonnage, that the pricing will be better than Hollywood has right now if we stick together. That's already known and committed. And in fact, if you remember, the first iteration, which I know you had to ask for unconditional, but the first iteration of the opt-out was, if we as the SWA don't meet that market target, the pricing target, then you could opt out. So some cities said, well, wait. I still want to know more. So I said, you know what? I agree with that. Let's have the faith to do it. But the pricing, and staff will tell you because they've run the numbers, if we hit the marketing prices, you will save your residents $250,000.

7:27:10Speaker 49

But that's the question, Mike, is the if.

7:27:13Speaker 28

No, no, we know we're going to hit, that's true.

7:27:16Speaker 49

You just said if.

7:27:16Speaker 28

We can opt out. Right, but you can opt out.

7:27:18 – 7:27:51Speaker 49

But here's the problem, though, with opting out. One, it's five years later. No, no, it's one. One year from now, so it's a four-year process. It's just like an additional layer of government. It is powers of mind, and we're nowhere further than we were three years ago with the amount. Yes, we'll save money, we think. There's no guarantee, because why would you give an option to opt out in a year? That's my concern.

7:27:51 – 7:28:04Speaker 28

JONATHAN ZITTRAIN- See, that's the Hobson's choice I face. And this is why people voted no against the opt out, because they said it sends the wrong message that we don't have the confidence. that we're going to hit the target.

7:28:04 – 7:28:24Speaker 49

Correct. It was changed for Fort Lauderdale. Now the option came in. But the problem is that puts that what if question and that, wait a minute, we are nowhere further than we were six months ago. And now we're going to give it a year to maybe opt out. That is a huge concern.

7:28:24 – 7:30:49Speaker 28

The reason why we couldn't is because there couldn't be a commitment of tonnage. What I wanted was to go out on the pricing. It was when the industry came back and said they're not going to respond to the RFP with so much uncertainty. And I'll tell you where we're different, is that a year ago, there was not momentum. There was not this sense that this had to be done. In this year, when you see Fort Lauderdale voting 5-0, unanimous on this, with the concerns that all of you have, it is a sense of we are better together, as the mayor said at the end, and that we are going to achieve it. And let's be really clear. When we don't achieve, it's when the cities don't achieve it then, because all the staffs are involved. The TAC is involved. The RFP process is us, what we demand of it and what comes back. We know that we're going to know that pricing not a year from now. We're going to know that in the spring of next year, because that's when the RFPs come back and they get opened up. We're leaving even time to say, let's split the RFPs. Let's go back out, because there might be subsets of the commodity stream that we can go to a different, right? We're leaving our play in the joints on that. We have thought this through. And this issue of the confidence of the market rate is what the SWA voted on. It said, let's go to the consultant. What is the best pricing you think we can get? That we're going to commit. And we did in the master plan. We will not exceed that. In a sense, we should do better, because the tonnage will be greater. So the issue you can say is, we don't want to be in now. And this is a valid choice you make, that we're not going to be in it. We're saying we're not going to be in it. And we're going to go a long way. And the SWA continues. And then what happens when the SWA continues to come in at pricing lower? Because right now, we know you would save $275,000. We know if you had participated in the global agreement, you would have saved money. And there's a pathway to start that now. The sense is then, what advantage is it to say, we aren't participating. We don't want our voice heard, and we do not want to be around the table when the RFP is being done. We don't want to make sure that we're getting a split of commodity streams to maximize the pricing in that competitive environment. We do not want to be there for that. You let us know, and maybe we'll try to join later. And maybe that won't happen. Thank you. Commissioner Hernandez?

7:30:49Speaker 48

Well, I wasn't finished. Sorry. Go ahead.

7:30:51 – 7:31:03Speaker 49

That's OK. I have a question, Mike, if you don't mind. And I'm sorry? I didn't get to finish. Well, you have to speak up, Idalma. You got to just own your mic. You got to own your mic when you got it.

7:31:03Speaker 28

I probably interrupted. No worries.

7:31:07Speaker 49

Question. Will there be any future plans for an incinerator and the costs if that were to come down the path?

7:31:14 – 7:31:43Speaker 28

Absolutely perfect question. No. is the answer. It is not part of the master plan. The master plan does not allow us to consider building a WTE facility. It's a private facility now. Whether they add a burner or not, that is not going to be us. I know from the RB process, the idea of going out and building a second plant with public money after we built the first one and gave it away, there's no way. You can't even get by the gag reflex on that. So the answer is no.

7:31:46Speaker 49

Okay, I'm going to lead my time or lend my time to Commissioner Quintana to finish up your questions if you have any since you didn't get to finish. Because.

7:31:56Speaker 32

It's okay. All right, let's do it. I hope to take a vote soon. Go ahead, Commissioner Quintana.

7:32:03 – 7:34:31Speaker 7

I mean, I guess I just don't understand why we're willing to take a chance on, you know how when you get a special deal, when you sign up for cable and they give you that introductory price and then just to get you to sign on, but then later the price goes up. I don't understand why we would want to take a chance on going out, on saying no right now when the risk is pretty low. Again, all we're saying is, let's give this a year for all to see all of the bids come in. So on one hand, we're saying, Well, we can't commit because we don't know how much it's going to cost. And then on the other hand, we're saying we're not going to wait a year to find out how much it's going to cost and then decide. I mean, the industry said they wouldn't give a price until they knew what the volume was going to be. That's why we don't have a price. So, but if we don't do something now, then we, I mean, and it's not even like there's a big consequence. It's not a long commitment. It's just in a year we revisit it when we have more information. I don't understand what the reticence is. It's not like we're signing up for 40 years right now. It's just... Otherwise, we might miss out on some opportunities for the discount if we say no at this point. Like, we might actually, it might end up putting us, and then beyond the money. Again, it's also, it is true that there isn't any place for our garbage to go locally. Our garbage is going two and a half hours away. And by truck. And so when you see these really hot days that we're having with the people dying from the heat and all of that stuff, Part of that is happening because of what's happening with all of the trucks, that all the fuel is the emissions. So in addition to the financial, we also have to consider the environmental costs of not taking some action that will allow us to take care of our garbage locally. And that's really, I mean, I just, for me, we're not making a long, it's not like we're getting married. We're just dating for a year.

7:34:32 – 7:35:24Speaker 28

And to your point, we think of trash as one word, but it's five or six commodity streams. When it comes to construction demolition debris, we're doing an absolutely pathetic job here in the county. Reducing construction demolition debris and recycling and reusing highly recycled, heavy stuff preserves some of the landfill. Cities that are throwing their recyclables into the landfill are taking up precious capacity. That's got to stop. And if you don't, not you, if a city doesn't participate and says we're still going to use the landfill or we're still going to use WTE and we're sending recyclables and things that haven't been processed, that's not going to happen. Because the rest of us are saying that is precious, valuable space that has to be preserved. So the process here is breaking these commodity streams, to point out earlier, to basically save the capacity that we have. Sorry about that, Mayor.

7:35:24 – 7:35:35Speaker 32

No, let's just keep moving along because I'm starting to... Zone out. Let's go ahead, Commissioner Hernandez, and then Gruber, and then Biederman, and then we're really voting. Go ahead, Commissioner Hernandez.

7:35:35 – 7:36:12Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. No correlation to you, but we were sold the same bill of goods with a BSL and communications. And then we saw what happened countywide. So to me, it's about control. And so if you guys are ready to vote on something like this, You just make sure that all the municipalities are included. Because if they're not included, then it should automatically fail. And by the way, it's- I agree.

7:36:13Speaker 28

In fact, that's why the governing board has every member.

7:36:16 – 7:36:31Speaker 25

But I got to tell you something. Giving us or telling us to relinquish the ability to be able to procure our own services is where I'm not willing to go that route. No, you can maintain that.

7:36:31Speaker 28

And whatever pricing you do for your residents and your businesses is your choice. It's your prerogative.

7:36:35 – 7:36:59Speaker 25

And only because I happen to know that wherever we go, we're not going to be able to go in Broward County. So wherever it gets procured, there's going to be sites where this is going to have to go and then get redone and be reloaded and go somewhere else. We have somebody right now that we're doing business with that say if we need to expand our property, our sites, because they're in the middle of the state, they have the ability to do so. DeSoto County is where most of the garbage for day county is going to right now.

7:36:59 – 7:37:11Speaker 28

And in fact, those counties up north are pushing back for exactly that reason, because Miami-Dade County is overwhelming their capacity. So your point is the capacity is there until it's not, and then the market will price you. That is your choice.

7:37:11 – 7:37:46Speaker 25

But they're actually expanding their site. If you go to their site, they're actually expanding their site, and there's other sites that are looking to get in the same business. And one of the opportunities that Broward County has missed is the ability to be able to recycle concrete. Right there off of University, not University Drive, but well, Davie Road Extension and 595, there has been a facility there that's been recycling concrete for years. Yet that doesn't count towards what the county is doing. And it should have been incorporated.

7:37:46Speaker 28

And it will be now in the construction demolition debris. In fact, this is the problem with the cities.

7:37:50Speaker 25

But my point is some of the 39% that we're doing, it's kind of a misnomer because we have the ability to do something like that and we're not doing it.

7:37:58 – 7:38:23Speaker 28

Right. By choice. So I wonder, well... You could have passed a mandatory construction demolition debris ordinance. So could the county. But this is the point. We're not waiting for the county. This is the point of your point about control and BSO communications. This is the first time that you, if you're chosen to be on the board, have the voice to make that decision. We don't have that in any other environment. And nothing's more important than what goes at the curb.

7:38:25 – 7:40:11Speaker 24

commissioners if i may i believe the resolution before you guys today is the is this a conditional approval based upon the approval of the second amendment as it is right now our current contracts one ends in 2028 one and two of them ends in 2030. at this point there's really no risk at all if we were to sign this other than and i'm not saying there's no risk there's minimal risk to us if we were to sign on to this and come back and see what those prices look like in 2027. And work on the government's issue. One of the biggest concern that we had was that we just did not know what those pricing were, what those unit costs were, what those tipping pricing were, and we asked the SWA to provide us this opt-out clause. We were not comfortable with the 20-year opt-out clause without knowing the pricing first. You know, we currently have our existing pricing, we know we currently pay, and it would have been quite difficult for us to ask our residents to commit to something we did not know. So we asked the governing board, can they go ahead and create a second opt-out option, which they did. And the item before you today is approving the ILA along with the secondary opt-out clause. Right now, with the combination between where our contracts are, what we're currently paying, this is really truthfully minimal risk. If this were to get approved today, we could continue working with the SWA on all the additional things that we would like to see. such as what Commissioner Hernandez, what Commissioner Biederman had advised, such as, you know, we would like to see certain provision in those contracts. You know, we kind of want to see what those rates are, the terms of those rates, the locations where we're going to bring our disposal to and other aspects along with some of the other governing aspects that the Commission has shared basically. We really believe that Hollywood is in a great position. We're in a unique position. We're probably in a better position than most other municipalities because we're not as desperate today given the fact that we have an existing agreement up until 2028.

7:40:11 – 7:41:00Speaker 25

Yeah, but we're not in a desperate position, number one. And number two, those details, it makes a big difference as to what our haulers are going to charge us. So we may very well be saving X amount of money on the tip-in site, but we're going to be paying extra because our haulers will say, you know what? I don't want to sit there for four hours while our truck's dumped this. Or I don't want to go to the other side of the world because they don't have a facility nearby where we can do this. That is the unknown. And that is the reason that I'm not supporting this, because the industry has the ability to provide that information. They just chose not to. And that's all. Look. My heart goes off because of the position that he's been put in. He's been asking us to give them our trust when, in fact, there are questions that we should have already have answers. They should have been able to provide those answers to him, and they haven't given him those answers.

7:41:01Speaker 28

To be clear, this is not for Mike Ryan.

7:41:04Speaker 25

No, I know that.

7:41:04 – 7:41:16Speaker 28

I'm probably the only speaker here tonight that either is not getting paid or has no vested interest in what your decision is. But we're more than happy to buy you a beer. Is that a motion to adjourn? Is that a motion to adjourn?

7:41:16Speaker 25

That's a motion to adjourn.

7:41:17 – 7:41:28Speaker 32

I'm ready to make a motion for the pizza upstairs, so let's get this moving. And I'll recycle the box, OK? Non-stain. I'll take you up on that. The top of the box.

7:41:28Speaker 28

We'll pay for each our own. Commissioner Gruber, go ahead.

7:41:31 – 7:41:47Speaker 31

County ethics laws and everything else. The pizza box is contaminated, by the way. Yeah, I know. The bottom is. Just a quick question. So let's say we do this tonight. A year from now is our possible opt-out. You give us the pricing and we decide. And then if we opt in, we're married to this for how many years? 40 years.

7:41:50Speaker 31

20. So in that 20 years, what if the pricing triples?

7:41:56 – 7:42:07Speaker 28

So that's part of the RFP. That's part of the RFP process, number one. Number two, what we're doing with that is we're telling industry they're going to have to invest. Nobody's going to invest if they don't know they have the tonnage long term.

7:42:07Speaker 32

This is what we've heard over and over. And it's true. We'd get our pricing or the method of pricing for 20 years as you make that decision. And a year from now, you'll know what the 20-year outlook is.

7:42:16 – 7:42:27Speaker 28

And if you don't like it, you're no different than what we have to go through. Because this is the first time that the county's not telling us what the pricing is. This is the first time where we're saying, no, we don't accept that. And I may be standing right next to you.

7:42:27 – 7:42:45Speaker 31

I feel like you lose your leverage with pricing if you have every single city in a contract that they know that you're locked in for 20 years. And, oh, you know what happened? This happened. That happened. Now your pricing goes from whatever it was, $100 to $250. Sorry, that's all we can do. You guys are all locked together. And you have so much to get rid of.

7:42:45 – 7:43:16Speaker 28

So this is to the point that in some of the commodity streams, there are multiple processors, vendors, or disposals. And we're going to try to get the best pricing from all of them. That's the point. And you're raising a good point. This is going to be part of the RFP process. But what I can tell you will happen is if you don't join, the volatility going forward, whether you're here or the next commission, the volatility they will have to deal with is real. Because the market will know you cannot commit long term to enough tonnage to make a difference.

7:43:17Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Biederman, then Kaleri, and then we're done.

7:43:22 – 7:43:35Speaker 34

So I mean, Mayor, if what you want to get done gets done and we increase our recycling, we can't commit to the tonnage on solid waste either. So what's happening?

7:43:35 – 7:44:05Speaker 28

You can, because let me just explain. At 5 million tons, which is 20,000 pounds per minute, what you're committing to is conserving what's going into the landfill. If we can reduce that much, we're still going to need more landfill capacity. We're not at a point, when you look at the numbers, at 39%, if we go to 60%, if we do C and D, all we're doing is trying to extend the life of the limited time we have with the landfill here. So it does not work against us. It does not work yet.

7:44:05 – 7:44:21Speaker 34

It preserves our capacity. It doesn't make sense, though. It doesn't make sense why you're fighting so hard for us to be in the system. I mean, listen, I would say, all right, be on your own, and I'm moving on to the next city. I don't get what the whole aggression is that you spent

7:44:23 – 7:45:04Speaker 28

all day here. You know why? Because I lived through the problem of this. I know what the environmental crisis is we're facing. I realize we have no capacity. I've seen what the market did to us after the RRB broke up. I saw when we were competing against each other for better pricing. That's not what I want to leave behind. I got no vested interest in this other than I know that we are facing an environmental crisis And if you're a cynic and you don't care about it, you just want to dump it in the oceans, we're facing an economic crisis. And finally, we're trying to solve the governance crisis, where we didn't have a voice. I want that voice because I lived there. I sat through those meetings in the IRB. I sat in the mediations and realized we never had a choice in our own destiny. That's the only reason I'm here.

7:45:05Speaker 34

I think we're trying to create a monopoly of sanitation in the county, which is only going to give the strength to somebody else. Vice Mayor?

7:45:14 – 7:45:54Speaker 49

Okay, so I think that, so here's just a couple of concerns that I have in order to consider moving it forward for the year. I don't like it. I think we should have had all of these situated in the last three years, but here we are. I want to make sure that in a year from now to opt out that it remains a 3-4 and not a 5-7 vote. How can we ensure that for the city of Hollywood and not only the city of Hollywood but throughout the entire like I don't want it to be a super majority. I want it to be a majority. Through a resolution. I want to make sure that it is not a super majority.

7:45:55Speaker 32

You have whatever your voting system is.

7:45:57Speaker 49

That's why I'm talking to my commission, my people.

7:46:00Speaker 32

Attorney, go ahead.

7:46:01Speaker 8

There's no requirement that a supermajority is required to leave this agreement.

7:46:06Speaker 8

There's no requirement that a supermajority is a vote that's required to leave this agreement.

7:46:11Speaker 49

OK, perfect. No, to opt out.

7:46:14Speaker 8

So to get in. No, no, no, no, no.

7:46:19 – 7:46:30Speaker 49

OK, so that's number one. Number two, Mike, again, much respect to everyone involved, the SWA and all the work that you put into it. It's endless hours, I can only imagine.

7:46:31Speaker 28

It hasn't been that long.

7:46:33 – 7:47:11Speaker 49

But not just today. I'm talking of the last three years and to everyone, Denise, everyone who's been involved, Carol. But I do have one question for Joseph, if you don't mind. Is that OK, Jovan, that I ask him? OK. OK. Joseph come on up Come on Joseph we got pizza waiting and like honest like just honest Sam because these are really big decisions that we're making What is your biggest? Comfort with us moving for a year and what is your biggest concern? And honest I'm not backing up anybody I just want to know because this is a really big decision.

7:47:11 – 7:47:43Speaker 4

We're making I mean honestly, you know, I Mayor was correct. To get your good pricing, it has to be time, how long your contract is, how much tonnage you're going to give them, and what your opt-out time is going to be. Obviously, 28 cities can do it better than one. My big concern was the pricing. Is it going to be better than what we have? But we have a guarantee to get out if the pricing doesn't meet our expectations.

7:47:44 – 7:47:58Speaker 49

And will this be a, I guess my last question is, will this be a 20-year contract guaranteed the pricing that is provided for 20 years will be what they state? Or is there going to be CIP, 3%? Well, everything has CIP.

7:47:58 – 7:48:40Speaker 28

We heard it even from your disposer. He has CIP. Everybody has CIP, right? I mean, that's why we're in this property tax problem. Everybody's got CIP, right? So the answer in 20 years is because we want to maximize the price and minimize the volatility, right? The devil's in the details in the RFP process. There is no question about it. And that's why the TAC, the Governing Board Executive Committee, are going to be tasked starting August 15 with getting the RFPs done and getting the input of what those risks are. So that's an absolutely valid question. And I'm going to rely on Mr. Kroll and your staff to be part of that process if you decide to join, because they're the ones who work on this daily. Where are our trip points?

7:48:41 – 7:49:00Speaker 49

So as long as it remains with the city of Hollywood a 4-3 majority, not a super majority, I think that I'm comfortable with that because obviously I'm a little bit of a control freak, and I will not be here with any here, and I want to make sure that my legacy of doing the right thing for the city continues. Fair.

7:49:01 – 7:49:29Speaker 32

Thank you. And with that... With that, we're going to take a vote. All those in favor of the motion to approve the resolution with the conditional approval of the execution of the First and Second Amendments, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Opposed. Motion carries six to one. Commissioner Hand is in opposition. Thank you all. We're going to take a 30-minute recess so that people who don't have pizza upstairs can go and get some food across the street if they're interested.

8:27:03 – 8:27:43Speaker 32

We are on, ladies and gentlemen. City Commission meeting is resuming. We've got a number of items remaining on the agenda. It's been requested that we take up items 37, 38, and 39 first, because there is a gentleman here that needs to get to Jacksonville in the morning. So he's going to start driving after we finish. So item 37 is a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Hollywood approving the adoption of the Water Works 2050 25-year, five-phase septic to sewer expansion program per the sewer expansion workshop held on February 18th. Vin Morello, welcome.

8:27:44 – 8:41:59Speaker 21

Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Commissioners. Vin Morello, Director of Utilities. We have a presentation prepared. I'll leave it to the commission, their prerogative, if they want me to go through it. Water Works 2050, this presentation covers items 37, 38, and 39. Water Works 2050, simply put, is the 25-year, five-phase, five-years-per-phase plan. It's simply the order of battle. That's what you're approving in this resolution. It's simply the sequence of work. And I can walk you through what it's comprised of. Presently, 44% of the city is un-sored. What's represented on this map in the green area is 56% of the city that is soared. And the bottom of that graphic is the water and sewer rate for those customers that are both water and sewer customers. And we'll get into that later in the presentation. 44% of the city is unsort, representing approximately one third of the inventory of septic tanks in Broward County. Unique to this city is, though, our unsort area is quite large and contiguous, whereas the rest of the inventory in Broward County is is small pockets spread out over large areas. So these areas require significant projects to network major sewer basins. Take it in the five phase, five years per phase plan. We have phase one represented in the green areas on the map occurring between 2032 and 2036. Phase two, between 2037 and 2041, these are the construction periods. Phase three, between 2042 and 2046. Phase five, between 2047 and 2051. And the final phase in the mid-2050s. Looking at it from the ratepayers' perspective, What can the un-SOARed customers expect to see in terms of rates in the future? One good thing is that because of the spaced out plan and sequence of construction, these rate payers won't experience the significant rate increase for the SOAR until it's constructed. So in the case of phase one, over 1,400 customers would be seeing the rate increase in the mid-2030s. Phase two customers would be seeing their rate increase for the SOAR in the late 2030s. Phase three would not see a rate increase until the mid-2040s. Phase five in the late 2040s. And phase six customers in the mid-2050s. What's that? That would see the, but, you know, in that sense that these property owners that are not used to these rates would have time to plan financially for them. Utility modernization background and context. Why, you know, what is the status of the utility? What is the nature of the program? What are the drivers? Just to provide you some framework. We've shown you previous metrics on how we compare to other utilities. And one additional metric that we've come up with since the last workshop, and we've had three workshops, October of 25, February of 26, and April of 26, plus numerous briefings and facility tours. But one of the metrics that we can share with you now is the every four years the American Society of Civil Engineers reports on America's infrastructure. Particularly, the nation's wastewater plants, in general, are in very poor condition, averaging a D-plus rating. However, over and above what Hollywood's done, even to be at a D-plus, those utility bills have increased 86% over the last 10 years. In comparison, Hollywood has only increased the rates in that same time period 22.5%. So even as low as the bar is, you can extrapolate and draw a conclusion on the condition of the city's plant, the regional plant. This graphic we've shown you before, showing the departure between another metric. This is the United States CPI index for water and soil utility investment. Over the past 10 years, it's gone up 47%. Again, the 22% figure representing the city. Taking that same under investment and comparing it to the city's median household income, that income adjusted for inflation of 3.8%. You can see the utility investment relative to median household income has remained essentially flat, if not declining. So we haven't been keeping up. So those are metrics. What is the condition of the plant? And we've talked about the condition of the plant specifically in other workshops. What does that mean in actuality? What does it look like in reality? This graph are actual violations that the wastewater plants received over time. And the x-axis is the violations per month. Obviously, you can see them steeply rising since 2021. averaging now at nearly six violations per month. And just to give you context, the tolerance for here is zero. It's not like, oh, the graph is flattening out, looks like things are going good. No, there should be no dots on this graph by every standard, including a D-plus plan. So this is the actual effect of what we're seeing here. So that's where we are. The good news is we've been hard at work in the background. We have a plan. And it's an actual plan. This graphic we've shown to you before is this orange line is what we call the core investment program. That's the $781 million that we've spoken about for water and wastewater. And the plan is to execute and construct these improvements and modernizations over the next five years You'll see that the orange line starts above the $50 million mark. That's because we've been hard at work. We've already designed over $100 million worth of improvements that are in a queue and ready for bid pending adoption of the proposed rates. In the same time period, the stormwater program, we've already implemented and we're already with design underway for over $75 million in projects in the same five-year time period. Concurrently with that, in order for the city to advance as a whole, as one team, we've also factored in a $45 million investment, that's about $9 million a year, to advance septic to SOAR so that we can deliver over 4,600 properties tied into the SOAR system initially and then maintain a pace of about 900 properties per year thereafter until full build-out. So I mentioned that we have over $107 million in products already designed. Here they are. Some of them are already under construction. You've been to the plant. You've seen some of the construction, the grit removal you've seen. The temporary hypochlorite system, I believe, was awarded on June 17. The balance of the work is also programmed in great detail. We've done a lot of preliminary design. The master plans are very detailed. The scopes of work are done. And we are queued up so we have a very deliberate plan to execute. The questions arisen, how much of the work is carried by the large users? The large user agreements call for the sharing of the cost based on flow. So based on flow, the large users are carrying 47% of the $559 million in the wastewater program. The city carrying the other 53% of the core improvements. So what does that translate into in the proposed rate? The water rate is a proposed 25% year-over-year increase for the first three years, and then levels off at 2.5% for the final two years. The water improvements are about approximately $222 million. They include $100 million for the PFAS that are required to be constructed in the next three years. The balance of it, the wastewater, 28.25% for the first three years, year over year, leveling off to 5.75% in the out two years, becoming a cumulative increase of 125.7%. So, what does that translate to in real numbers? So, we use this main use case of 6.5 hundred cubic feet or 6,500 cubic feet of water per month. That customer, Water and Soar, is paying about $99 a month today. Five years from now, that same customer will pay approximately $223 for that same service. Water customers, again, we have $222 million in water CIP. So those septic customers, those water-only customers, we'll see a similar increase, not as sharp, but the customer that's paying $33 today will be paying over $68 a month by 2031, 105% increase. What's the program look like overall? We are discussing a five-year rate plan. The five-year rate plan is comprised of the biggest drivers, the CIP, the $781 million core plan, which we must build. It's comprised of the consent order projects and projects driven by new regulations such as PFAS that we must comply with in the next three years. In addition to that, we factored in a $45 million program to drive septic to soar for a total of $826 million. It's a 50% funded by debt and 50% cash program. The chart at the bottom shows the cash flow and revenue over the years and expenditures. Again, we have detailed projects under design already that reflect that. Here, then, is the cross-section of all the use cases for the utility. The second row being that main use case that we use, but here you can see transparently what the impacts would be for all use cases, showing the five-year cumulative rate out there in the far right column. Drilling down a little bit into more detail about the proportion of the program, again, $222 million of that is for water. All 39,000 customers, including septic cups, will be carrying that cost. Of the wastewater costs, the large users will be carrying about $265 million of the $559 million cost. And Hollywood customers, wastewater customers, will carry $294 million of that. And then we've separated out the $45 million septic to SOAR program, just for transparency. So what are the program outcomes? What are we looking to accomplish? This program will restore and modernize the citywide utility infrastructure. It enhances and upgrades the water plant for quality, reliability, and capacity. So that would address all the PFAS issues as well as capacity and other reliability issues. It's going to replace aging collection transmission distribution pipelines. Those are the water lines that are breaking consistently across the city due to age. as well as answer capacity issues. And it's going to achieve regional utility system regulatory compliance, reliability, and resilience, i.e., the consent order and other performance issues, such as the violations that I mentioned. illustrated earlier. We'll be able to expand utility service. We're going to accelerate septic conversion to approximately 4,600 properties starting in 2032, and then continue at a pace of 900 properties annually thereafter. We're going to strengthen Hollywood's future, which will protect the public health and the environment, foster sustainable economic growth and community development, enhance the quality of life for the residents and business, and position Hollywood for the 22nd century. So we're at an important inflection point, and we have nothing but opportunity ahead. Thank you.

8:42:05 – 8:42:34Speaker 32

Thank you so much for the work and the plan. And I know I've asked this question before, and just if you could. In the phasing plan of the charges, you have, I think, around 26 and 3 quarters percent for the first three years, followed by very little incremental increases in utility bills for the two years following. Why didn't you smooth it out over five years? Why the ramp up being so aggressive the first three, versus smoothing it out on five?

8:42:35 – 8:42:57Speaker 21

It has to do with the programming of the projects, which need to be constructed in the first five years. And those projects are all front loaded on the schedule. They need to be funded up front. And as the construction tails off, the revenue. So it's about ramping up and being at a level versus

8:42:59Speaker 32

Is that in order to be at the 50% debt level?

8:43:01 – 8:43:16Speaker 21

Or is that because we want to do more cash? That is at 50% debt. So you need to ramp up at that revenue level to qualify for the 50% debt to pay for the whole program.

8:43:16Speaker 32

Let's hear from Anne Ralston, and then we'll keep going.

8:43:25 – 8:44:38Speaker 57

OK, first off, when I did the backup, there were no maps for me to look at. I could not tell where anything was. I had to kind of, on the backup I got, it was just like this line. And it says phase one. And it gave me general areas where it was. But like the speed humps, and it said general areas, these people don't know what's coming. And I don't know if it's site specific or just a general area. One thing, if I were a homeowner, I hope they're getting ready for a nice big bill. Because once you hook up the sewer, You're going to pay that price no matter what. And I found it fascinating why you argued over a 20-year guarantee price for garbage that you would up a contract by $700,000 because they did more work. I'd like my gas guaranteed at $2 an hour. I mean $2 a gallon for 20 years, but that's not going to happen. Things change. On the water bill, I mean on the sewer, the septic to sewer. I didn't find anything in Washington Park. So I don't know if they have septic or sewer, but I didn't find anything there. So they're all on sewer. Septic never was there, correct?

8:44:38Speaker 32

They're on sewer now.

8:44:39 – 8:46:28Speaker 57

Okay. I'm just checking. I didn't see any. I don't know where it all is because I had no maps to be able to deal. And this is what I'd like to read to you off the backup that I got. Citywide sewer expansion presents challenges. Wastewater plant deferred maintenance. This city has always waited till the crisis, never has budgeted for infrastructure maintenance. They put in everything, make it pretty, but then there's no money to maintain it. Water plant deferred maintenance, stormwater improvements, wastewater. This is about septic to sewer, so I don't know where that came in. This is, it brings up Dania, Emerald Hill CC Pond, North Perry Airport, and Pembroke Park. Are we providing septic to sewer in those areas? I don't even know why it's in there. Then, and there's another one that I guess you're either comparing or whatever. I don't know what that means. This is what boggled my mind. This is to the homeowner. According to This document that I printed out for your backup. Reserve capacity charge, $2,130. Tapping administrative fee, $100. Abandonment of septic tank, $2,500 estimated. This is on your document. I'm just, please, okay, let me finish. On connection sewer lateral pipe, 2500, where my brother is an ALF that she was willing to do septic to sewer on her own. She's already paid over $80,000 to connect. That, I don't even, that is a pie in the sky what it's going to cost people.

8:46:29Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. Members of the City Commission, go ahead. Commissioner Gruber.

8:46:37Speaker 31

Yes. Vin, if you can go to page 21.

8:46:49Speaker 24

Maybe it wasn't 21.

8:46:50 – 8:47:18Speaker 31

Yeah. So my question is for the people that have to pay sewer, right? So the sewer, weren't we originally going to figure out if we could tax the people that were not on sewer? You could charge them to eventually get them onto sewer. Isn't that what we had lobbied to Tallahassee, to be able to do something like that? What's that?

8:47:21Speaker 32

Can we not have a back and forth here?

8:47:23 – 8:48:02Speaker 31

I wasn't talking to her. I was asking Vin a question. So my question is, what doesn't sit well with me is that the people that are on sewer already are going to now have this huge hike to pay to upgrade our wastewater facility in anticipation of the people not on sewer to be able to hook up while we do those projects. And I just don't understand why that can't be spread across everyone and why the people that are on sewer are the only ones that are going to have to pay to get that ready to go for the people not on sewer.

8:48:03Speaker 32

I don't think that's resolved yet. We're still looking into that question. I don't know who wants to speak to that.

8:48:12 – 8:50:12Speaker 21

So House Bill 1123 was a modification to the law that was going to clear the path to allow SOAR rates to expand the system. That was what that was. So it applies to people that are paying SOAR rates. The bulk of the $559 million is to restore and modernize the wastewater plant that has been in use by the existing SOAR customers all these years that has been underinvested in. So it's bringing that up. It's not bringing it up so that septic customers could connect. It's bringing it up because it needs to be brought up because of the consent order and other reliability issues. We have provided $45 million to design and construct and begin to construct expansion of the system to bring in septic customers. That's just kind of the way you need to do it to introduce a domino by which you can get more customers joining and more customers sharing that SOAR rate. 22,000 water and sewer customers. There's 22,000 customers on sewer. And in order to get the other 17,000, you need to start somewhere. So we start by getting that first 4,600 additional customers on by 2032. and then about 900 customers a year thereafter. It just needs to build that way. There's no other way to do that other than create a tax. The CM's office looked into looking at some type of a tax or an ad valorem tax. that didn't work out mathematically or create or charge non-sewer customers for a service that they don't get, charge them for sewer when they're not hooked up to the sewer.

8:50:13 – 8:51:26Speaker 31

Right. But, I mean, the plan is to get them all hooked up to the sewer. So, okay. As someone who's on sewer, it seems like those who are on sewer are going to cover by far the lion's share of this increase. I don't feel like that's equitable. But if you can go to page 23. So I pointed this out last time. I mean, let's look at what we're doing right here. The large families are going to be the ones most affected by this. Their bill goes from $194 to $435. I mean, we're getting to the point where that's completely unaffordable. And look, I know it has to be done. I respect all the work. And I respect, Vin, that you pointed out. I took the tour with you, how dire the situation is. And I just don't feel like the way this is being billed to the residents is being done equitable. And I know there were some issues with the bond and different things like that. So there's no other way to do this. There's no, like, the same amount of a tax on someone's tax bill to pay for this. It just, there's a certain percentage of people that are really, really paying significantly more than the rest of us.

8:51:29Speaker 21

I know there was a discussion about the water tear rate for larger families, and that's a separate study that needs to be done.

8:51:37 – 8:52:10Speaker 31

Yeah, and I know you guys mentioned that you were looking into that, that you get it. But let's look at what we're doing here to the large families. This is going to be a much easier thing for a single person or a couple or a small family to absorb than a large family. It's not even affordable to raise their bill, which is already not affordable because they pay more per cubic yard or whatever. cubic feet, right? So I don't know. I'm putting it out there. I put it out before.

8:52:10Speaker 32

I don't know what we can do, but it just doesn't sit well with me that I don't feel like it's equitable.

8:52:17Speaker 32

Let's go to Commissioner Hernandez.

8:52:20Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. Can we go to page, I believe it's eight or nine or maybe 10 regarding where the... A couple more back.

8:52:32Speaker 4

Where is one more?

8:52:34Speaker 24

One more. One more.

8:52:35 – 8:53:00Speaker 25

There we go. This is where phase one addressed 1,459 customers for the construction of the sewer, correct? I'm sorry, I couldn't quite hear you. This is what the phase one of the construction for the sewer? Phase one, yes, correct. Okay, so these people are going to be the ones that are going to get hit with the rate right off the get-go?

8:53:00Speaker 21

In the probably 2035 timeframe, correct.

8:53:06 – 8:53:34Speaker 21

Yeah. So they won't be hit with the SOAR rate until the system's constructed, which will be about 2035 on the schedule. They will, however, be paying the water rate, because there's $222 million in improvements. So they will be paying that initially. And then when the SOAR system is constructed, then they will become SOAR customers, and they will pay the SOAR rate. And can we go to the next phase?

8:53:38Speaker 25

This is the second tranche of the work that's going to be done for this? Correct.

8:53:43Speaker 23

OK. And the third?

8:53:44 – 8:54:07Speaker 25

OK. And the fourth? OK. And I just want my residents in Highlands Garden area to actually look at where this is at right here, because they're concerned. And they're losing sleep at night when it comes to the rates that are coming in. This is for the sewer rate?

8:54:09Speaker 25

In what year is this?

8:54:11Speaker 21

Between 2047 and 2051.

8:54:13 – 8:57:22Speaker 25

Okay, 2047 and 2050. So into that point, we're not going to get hit with a sewer rate increase, but they will be paying for the water rate increases. Correct. That goes without saying. And one of the statements that you make that I, you know, Commissioner Gruber is, The wear and tear on the plants and the maintenance that has been put off for so many years, and we're talking decades, we're not talking about just one or two years, it's the users of the sewer that has actually cost that. It's a normal wear and tear that if for the maintenance would have been kept up, we wouldn't be where we are right now. It would have been thousands instead of millions what we're spending today. return so I get what we're doing and by the way I will probably be we got sewer a couple years ago and my property even though we didn't cost the wear and tear we're going to be paying for the 25% a year for the next five years which is it's going to drive some people out of the city of Hollywood there's no question about that we're worried about building low to moderate income areas and using ILA money to intensify the area and Those individuals are going to be paying for this infrastructure for decades to come. And when I asked earlier was, which doesn't have anything to do with this, we need to realize where we're putting some of these buildings. We don't want to create another area that it's all low to moderate income areas. Because at some point, the maintenance of those properties is going to decay. And then we're going to go back to some of the things that we were fighting years ago. We want to make sure that we keep an eye on that with our leaders, because we're not going to be around here 30, 40 years from now. that our leaders actually learn from the mistakes that we've made in the past, make sure that they don't repeat it. We don't seem to have a choice when it comes to this. The only choice that we have had is how long we prolong the agony and how long it takes to get this into compliance with the state. And by the way, and we were talking about this earlier with some friends, The state is, in the middle of the state, some of the, we have vast amount of area, and it's not being developed, even though all the orange groves are being bought up and what have you, is because the counties and the municipalities are holding the developers to, you want to develop, you have to bring the infrastructure. You have to bring in not only the sewer lines, you've got to bring in the sewer plants. You've got to bring in not only the water pipes, but you've got to bring in the water lines and the water structures to be able to do it. And so therefore, some of the development that it's not taking in the middle of the state, in the northern part of the state, it's happening here because it's easier for developers to come and redevelop, infill redevelopment, than it is for them to do and set up this infrastructure in the middle of the state. So I don't know how much longer we're going to put up with something like this, but if there's not a motion to approve, a motion to approve in order for us to move forward.

8:57:23Speaker 32

Thank you. We have a motion and a second and a third and fourth. Commissioner Biederman?

8:57:29 – 8:58:27Speaker 34

Yeah. Thank you. Just a couple of real quick things on slide seven. Is that where it's at? Slide seven? How was UW07 determined to be? And I'm sorry to throw a curveball, but how does that determine to be such a phase one project? Because when in our, and I hate bringing up the past, but when we had our last septic to sewer plan. This was going to be the last one because they were the most recent water main replacement update. So they have brand new water mains, and we're going to go dig it up to put in sewer. But yet, another area has 70-year-old water mains, and we're putting them off another 20 years. We're asking for trouble, I think. And I don't want to re-plan the whole plan, but I'm just curious.

8:58:28 – 8:58:54Speaker 21

Yeah, the phasing was done several months ago in one of the earlier workshops. And it was derived from both the water master plan, which was based on the age of the pipes, but also drawn on feedback from the commissioners as we briefed them. So I can bring up Bill Cook. Maybe he has the institutional memory on how this final phasing arrangement for Phase 1 was arrived at.

8:58:55Speaker 34

Because the northwest corner of the city was like the next phase that was getting ready to be done. Now it's like one of the last phases to get done.

8:59:07 – 8:59:56Speaker 19

yeah we did take into account the uh... the water infrastructure that needed upgrades there is actually even sewer infrastructure that runs through some of these unsewered areas as well as stormwater infrastructure and we had an earlier slide that showed all of those areas that that needed to be addressed so we were trying to balance all of that the commissioners needs as well as well as trying to get a a slow ramp up on the number of customers that we were going to bring online early and then try and level that off later. But the main thing had to do with the amount of money that it's going to take. So early on, we were focusing on some smaller projects, meanwhile trying to balance all of those other needs.

8:59:58 – 9:00:36Speaker 34

It doesn't really answer the question, but OK. Well, it's a smaller area there that UW has. No, I get it. It's a smaller area, but they've got brand new water mains in the ground. that are less than 10 years old. And in the Northwest section of Driftwood, you have 70-year-old water mains. They're going to be 100 years old by the time we get to. How many problems are we going to have in the meantime? And like you said, there's already sewer in certain areas there. There's like three dozen houses or whatever it is. Who knows how much infrastructure is in the ground? Only you guys would know that, or Davey would know that. But, I mean, that's just my concern.

9:00:37Speaker 32

Well, I think they ought to look at it, Commissioner Biederman. They ought to look at that. And if what you're saying is correct, then you ought to reconsider the areas that you're going first, maybe.

9:00:47 – 9:02:10Speaker 34

I would love that looked at. I'm not going to hold up the whole process for that point. I'm just going to finish on slide 12. I just think we have to start moving ahead with stuff and not just keep punting it down the road. Slide 12. No, I wrote the wrong one, Dan. Where's the rates? I can just go forward. I thought I saw a 12 somewhere. Go ahead. Forward. Forward. What are you looking for? Forward. The rate. Oh, the rate? No, forward. It was 21. Hold on. Could have been this one. Yeah, this one. So I know this is going to go nowhere. But where does the Coca-Cola bottling facility fit into this chart? Because we should be getting paid more money for the amount of money they make off of our water bottling Dasani. We need royalties. That would pay for our whole plan if we made money off of Dasani. Well, I didn't realize it was such a bad curveball.

9:02:12Speaker 25

You got the bullpen up. Oh, here they are.

9:02:16Speaker 21

Evidently, they're not a customer. Phyllis will come up and explain who is a customer and who is not.

9:02:22Speaker 32

Yeah, it is a fabric park.

9:02:25Speaker 34

But it's our water.

9:02:30Speaker 46

Good evening, everyone. We do not provide water to Coca-Cola. It's not ours? No, sir.

9:02:37Speaker 34

So where do they get their water from?

9:02:41Speaker 46

I can get the answer for you, but.

9:02:44Speaker 34

OK. Nothing further. Thank you.

9:02:51Speaker 32

All right. Vice Mayor Kaleri, the floor is yours.

9:02:55 – 9:04:31Speaker 49

So, you know, this is obviously very big decisions that we have to make, but based on what we saw and based on what we know, and we can't kick the can down the road anymore. So there's a lot of different options. Obviously, one is taxing policing these costs on our residents, our businesses, our cafes, our parks, you name it. But there's also opportunities out there. Just coming back from Washington, we met with EPA. There's WIFIA loans at a very minimal amount. that we can apply for. There aren't grants from my understanding as of right now, but there are other opportunities to help with the cost, but we still have to pay for it. It just depends on how you, I guess, play the shell game, right? We have to move forward with it. I mean, this is the only way to improve and make sure that we assure the water quality and get our system up to par. So unfortunately, I mean, it's terrible, but we have to make these hard decisions. But just continue to look at outside opportunities, grants, if they ever come about, which maybe never will. But who knows what the future holds? And I think that it's really important that we just continue to look for additional resource revenue to help cover the costs, including stormwater drainage, master plan that's a $2 billion that we'll be talking about. All of these things, we just have to be creative. And so...

9:04:31Speaker 32

Commissioner Quintana.

9:04:35 – 9:05:07Speaker 7

I'm just going to reiterate that we really need to help our residents learn about conserving water, because that's really their only way to try to manage how much their bills are. And so as much as we can, support people in doing that. Otherwise, it's about the only way that folks who are low income in addition to the large families for whom this would be an extraordinary hardship, is to help them learn how they can use less water. Thank you.

9:05:07 – 9:06:36Speaker 32

Yeah. Quick showers. Hey, Vin, so we're going to be adopting this resolution. And as we talked about with the city management team, obviously as opportunities come about in terms of whether it's additional ways to finance, additional ways to procure, additional ways to implement. All of this is fluid, no pun intended. And we'll continue working on it. As tweaks make themselves available, then I expect the management team will bring it forward. And we're going to be nimble. While this sets forward a Water Works 2050 plan, as opportunities come up and new ideas come up and opportunities to make the charges most equitable, if they do present themselves, then obviously we want to see that. And we'd like for the team to keep searching for other ways. All right. So with that, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Opposed? Motion carries six to one with Gruber opposed. All right. Thank you. Item 38 is resolution of the City Commission City of Hollywood establishing a water rate schedule including various water and irrigation fees and charges for fiscal year 27 through 2031 pursuant to our code of ordinances and Water Works 2050. Is that just one of the slides here?

9:06:36Speaker 21

The presentation covered all of the items.

9:06:39 – 9:06:50Speaker 32

Yeah. All right, we have a motion and a second to approve item 38. All those in favor say aye. Oh, speaker cards. Pat, bring me the speaker card on 39 too.

9:06:51Speaker 57

There's a card for 39, there's a card for 40, there's a card, okay? No problem. Please.

9:06:58 – 9:08:40Speaker 57

No, this is ridiculous. It's 11 o'clock at night. We've listened for two hours on a presentation. I'm going to read the punishment, because the last item was for septic to sewer. Property owners must connect to sewer within 90 days of availability. and paying the tapping charge $52.50 and sewer reserve capacity charge at $52.50. I don't know what those little squiggles mean. Monthly base sewer charges apply after 90 days regardless of usage and connection to status. Failure to connect shall result in fines up to $250 a day or 30 days in prison. Whoa. Each day is considered a separate offense. Don't laugh. This is somebody's life you're laughing at. Now, that was the punishment for that. The rates we're going to pay, is there a base rate no matter how much water I use? The single family, I agree. Larger families pay, but single family that have, I do laundry once a month. I have enough golf clothes to last me a month. Okay? I wash my dishes once a month. That's just me. But I pay a base $101 between water and sewer every month that you just up from $93 to $101. And I'm on a fixed income. So if they cut out Social Security or they take away my Medicare and you just stuck me with a $200 water bill, I'm not going to be able to pay it. So please, don't sit there and just pass stuff willy-nilly. You're affecting lives. Well, all right.

9:08:42Speaker 32

Item 38. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye.

9:08:47Speaker 31

Aye. That's just for the water, which is going to apply to everybody, correct? Yes. I'm in favor of that. Aye.

9:08:54 – 9:09:09Speaker 32

All right, motion carries unanimously. Item 39 is a resolution of the City Commission establishing a new sewer rate schedule, including various sewer fees and charges for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2026 through fiscal year 31 pursuant to the Code of Ordinances. And Ralston, come on up.

9:09:19 – 9:10:37Speaker 57

I think the rates being raised by as much as it is, is for us, the people that are on sewers, to pay for those that aren't. It's like me saying, I'm going to pay for my neighbor's cable. I have cable, but because they don't, I should pay for them to get it because it's a... health, safety, or the state said so. You're forcing people to do something which I don't know where home is your castle ever went, but it certainly isn't ours anymore because we get stuck with the decisions you guys make. And I can't vote for all of you. And I've actually supported many of you prior to this last election. And I get to vote for the mayor, and I get to vote for District 1. So you all, the rest of you, can ignore anybody in our district in 1 or any other district that comes and talks. The city is the city. That's why I was always opposed to districts. You all sit there and fight over who gets what, and then the city suffers because there's no infrastructure, and now we pay the price. If my house roof goes away because I didn't do general maintenance, I'm going to pay the price when I have to get a new roof. That's the same if you don't do maintenance on this stuff, but now the citizens are paying the price for the neglect.

9:10:42 – 9:11:04Speaker 32

All right. On item 39, is there a motion to approve? Motion to approve. Second. Motion from Commissioner Hsu. I'm second from Vice Mayor Kaleri to approve item 39. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Hearing 1, motion carries 6-1. All right, that concludes 37, 38, and 39. Chris.

9:11:06 – 9:12:56Speaker 29

Really quick, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you for the support. Obviously, thank you didn't seem appropriate because we recognize the impact it's going to have on our residents. But it's important for the residents to know that although there's been many public conversations, three workshops, endless other conversations and commission meetings, There's been a lot of conversations with everyone on this dais and staff back and forth to try to find the most affordable solution to this problem that we have to fix. We really have no choice. And if we don't fix the problem, then we're going to be mandated to fix the problem, which is going to be even more expensive. So we will commit to looking at all options available to lower those costs as presented today. And if opportunities present themselves in the future, we are committed to coming back and making those adjustments. We are, this isn't the end, but this is the starting point to start building that capacity so we can start implementing these infrastructure improvements that have to be made starting yesterday. So I think it's important because sometimes we try to be as transparent as possible, but I think the general public doesn't see what happens when we're not here in these official meetings. And there's been a lot of conversation and a lot of disagreements and a lot of heartache And we recognize that this decision doesn't come lightly. So we thank you for that. Thank you to the staff that's worked tirelessly putting this together and being in a position where this is a game changer for the city. We are moving forward to the 22nd century. And we are going to have an infrastructure in place that's going to last for many, many decades moving forward. It's unfortunate that it comes at a significant cost today. But unfortunately, that's the position that we're in. I just wanted to say that and thank you for your approval of this matter.

9:12:56Speaker 32

When do we let the large users know what their pay schedule is?

9:13:03Speaker 21

We are scheduling a large user meeting in the near future to go over these costs, but they're aware. They've been watching the workshops and understand the situation.

9:13:13Speaker 32

All right, good. Thank you. Commissioner Biederman.

9:13:19 – 9:14:04Speaker 34

Thank you, Chris. Thank you for what you just said. And just to point out, I for one appreciate how you've embraced the new challenge with utilities. And Vin, thank you for all these workshops and entering the challenges that you are picking up from previous administrations and your team that's doing a phenomenal job trying to move the city forward through the utilities and what your challenges have been. I mean, I can't say enough about Chris and how he's really jumped outside the box and embraced the challenges of trying to convey the message of utilities and learning along with the rest of us about where we're at.

9:14:05 – 9:14:42Speaker 21

Thank you, Commissioner and Mr. Mayor and Commissioner. If I may have a moment of privilege and ask Phyllis Shah and Cassandra Myers to stand up, and Chris O'Brien here as well. I just want to say publicly, I don't do this alone. I have an incredible executive team supporting me, as well as, as you said, pointed out since Chris has joined. Chris has been a major advocate and extremely helpful. But, of course, as I've always told you, the support from the Commission and your public statements have been enormously invaluable and helpful in getting this work done. And I thank you.

9:14:43 – 9:15:12Speaker 32

Thank you, Ben. All right, let's go to items 34 and 35. These are ordinances. The first is an ordinance of the City of Hollywood amending Chapter 51 of the Code of Ordinances entitled Water to update the current regulations relating to accounts and procedures providing for a solubility clause, repealed provision, codification, effective date. This is an ordinance on first reading from utilities. And ladies and gentlemen, Ms. Phyllis Shaw.

9:15:15 – 9:18:23Speaker 46

mayor, vice mayor, commission, city manager, railing, staff, and the guest that's still here. Good evening. Thank you so much for allowing us to provide you an update. As Vin says, this is a game changer for us. And being able to present this information to you on Chapter 51 and Chapter 52, the presentation will cover both because they are companion, companion. The primary objective of this amendment is to modernize our utility code, establish equity between residential and non-residential accounts, provide meaningful financial relief to customers experiencing high volume events or equipment failure. We've covered a lot of this already, so I won't go over the schedule. We heard you loud and clear. We heard our residents as well as it relates to a lot of the issues that they have been experiencing, whether it's because of leaks, equipment failure. And so we wanted to take a step back Think of ourselves, think of our grandparents, and look at opportunities. And this has been a labor of love from every avenue that you can think of, whether it's David Keller, whether it's Alberta who is still here from the utility billing team, the AMI, and all of our staff who work hard to put together. Thinking outside of the box to bring you something that we hope that you will accept. When we look at the credit for both scenarios, you're talking about known leaks and unexplained leaks. So if a leak is documented and repaired, resident can receive a one rate adjustment every month, covering up to a maximum of two months. And there's so many times where many of you use an example where a person had a leak under their house. Maybe it's a plumbing leak. And then maybe a few months later, they had a leak in their backyard. Now currently, the way it stands, that would be considered just one leak. They would be able to get a credit for just one leak. What we're changing is making it a leak event. So if they had the leak under the house, the plumber fixed it. Then they had a leak in the backyard, the plumber fixed it. Those would be considered per event. They would be able to still come to us and be able to apply for a credit. On the other side, we want customers who have unexplained leak. It could be washing their cars. It could be like my mother who decided that she's going to water the weeds. Or it could be someone that's pressure washing their roof. But those are unexplained leaks that occur from time to time. Those customers don't need to provide any documentation. They can come to us. And they'll receive a credit once in every 36 months, and it's up to a maximum of two months, an average of two months. And part of the reason we wanted to do that is, as I said, we want to provide some relief for some of our customers.

9:18:25Speaker 32

Commissioner Hernandez?

9:18:28Speaker 25

Yeah, I got a question that if it's a maximum of two months, does a month that has a leak count?

9:18:35 – 9:22:37Speaker 46

No, so what our team will do is they'll look at the two actual regular months before the leak occur, and they will use those two. Okay, thank you. Thank you. We also looked at, on the same token, non-residential customers. And we know non-residential customers are a little bit different from our residential customers because they do not have a tier. So we wanted to apply or codify a code for them. So we're suggesting a 10% reduction. And part of the reason, as I said, there's not a tier. There's only one tier for our residential customers. So on the same... Similar to the residential customers, where if it's a known leak, the same applies to our non-residential customers. If it is a known leak, it's per event. Similar if the leak occur inside a house, leak occur outside of the house. And keep in mind, we're not talking about a toilet flapper leak. This is a leak where they need to provide some kind of documentation to us. And so this will apply a 10%. on the leak. It's an average of 12-month average, and it's adjusted based on an excess of 150% of their usage. Previously, or currently, it's been 200%. So we wanted to reduce that, and I remember the mayor saying, take a look at what Fort Lauderdale did, and we did. Actually, I spent four hours watching the presentation, you know, because I wanted to see what they have. We have the same unexplained leak on non-residential. The same rules apply. One adjustment in a 36-month period, and no documentation was required. They come to us, and it could be the same thing. Maybe they're washing their car or pressure washing the driveway or, you know, their front door, whatever the case may be. We're not going to ask them. They come to us, and, yes, sir, we'll use the same scenario. We're not going to use the month of the leak in order to do the adjustment. We took it a little bit further. Many of our customers, and I remember the one customer that came to us and said she needed help. So we wanted to look at our payment plan agreement. Our payment plan agreement currently goes up to 12 months. And so what we're proposing is a maximum up to 24 months. We also are reducing the 50% down payment down to 10%. Part of that is there are customers who may not be able to afford the 25% or 30%, but a 10%. However, if there are those customers who are able to afford higher than the 10% and they want to provide maybe a 50%, that option is still available to them because maybe they want to pay it off quicker. The payment plan, of course, still comes with no interest on payment for leaks, defective meters, and failed transmission. Pool fill credit. Now, pool fill credit has been on our books for the longest. But we took a step back. Actually, Alberta did. And he took a step back looking at it. And he says, I think there's a better way for us to do it. Now, this is going to require a little bit more work and he and his staff time. But we wanted to make sure our goal is to provide the best customer service that we can. So part of the new calculation or what we're recommending is two things. Water use fill by the sewage or sewage usage over a 12-month average multiplied by the rate. Whichever one is lower, that's the one that will provide, the credit that will provide to our resident for a leak. A leak will be provided once in a 36-month period. Now, I have dream made meter transmission unit failure for the last, since I've been back.

9:22:37 – 9:23:06Speaker 32

All right, Phyllis, before you get into the meter failures, can you go back to slide three, slide four, the non-residential customers? Yes, sir. So when there's a known leak, what do you mean by 10% rate adjustment applied for a maximum of two months per leak event? So if a known leak causes the bill to go from 500 to 1,000, and there's a known leak, you're saying you're only going to adjust the $1,000 bill by 10%? Right.

9:23:07 – 9:23:28Speaker 46

By the average of a 12-month average, 10%. Yes, sir. Because currently, the non-residential tier, there's only one tier. So it's not as if similar to the residential where we're able to adjust it down. There's no way for us to do it. But we still wanted to be able to provide some relief for those residents.

9:23:28 – 9:23:46Speaker 32

So if the bill with the leak is $1,000 for two months, and it's finally discovered, and it's fixed, and all the previous 12 months were $500 a month, With this rate adjustment, what would the relief be?

9:23:46Speaker 46

We'll still put 10% and whatever the average will be. Yes, it will be the average. So $550? Yes. So it will be 10%.

9:23:54Speaker 32

Okay. So it's just 10% more than the 12-month average. Correct. All right. Thanks.

9:23:59 – 9:29:10Speaker 46

And it applies to the... I just want to make sure I understood how it worked. Yes, sir. Okay. So as you know, we only have one meter. We only have water meter. So our sewer customers, their usage of water is based on our drinking water meter. And so whenever a customer come to us and they ask for some kind of credit, we normally look at both the water and the sewer. We don't look at one. So these go hand in hand. So when you think of the sewer credit, we're doing the similar. What we're going to look at, whether it's 500 square foot, or 3,740 gallon, that's when it triggers a credit for the customer. Once it triggers a credit for the customer, we'll apply a reduction of 80% of the water consumption over a 12-month period for that customer for the sewer. And like I said, whenever a customer comes to us and asks for a credit on their water bill, we automatically calculate a credit on the sewer side, so they will also receive an 80%. The same rule applies. Because if they're providing documentation on the water side, we'll use the same documentation on the sewer side. If they're coming to us because they don't have any documentation at all and they can't figure out why there is a spike in their water bill, this is where the unexplained leak comes in. The same rule applies on the regular drinking water side. It applies to the suicide. It's one credit allowed in a 36-month period based on an average of one month. So that would be the maximum of one month average. And this is just where we're just showing you some small savings. Now, the biggest part of what I want to go over with you is our billing. There are three types of billing. We have our regular billing, which is when the meter, everything is working great. There are no issues. And then we have our transmission failure. Now, the transmission failure occurs when the meter still works. There's no issue with the meter. However, the electronic portion that sends this usage to our billing system is no longer working. However, every amount of water that the customer is using still stays in the meter. And so once we replace or fix the transmission unit, we're able to see how much usage a customer. So the moment we're not receiving the usage for the customer, it triggers what is called an automatic estimation of the customer bill. What you'll notice on here is on every customer bill, and this is a sample customer bill, there's an E. And that E, there's also a note that tells you that it is an estimated bill. We know a lot of customers may not see it. So one part of what we're going to be doing in the next quarter, not this quarter, in the next quarter, is readjusting, looking at a more probably more transparent invoice. And we're going to work on getting that out to our customer. We're also going to make sure that our customers are not receiving any surprise billing, because I know that's one of the big issues that they're experiencing. And then we have what is called the stock meter. The stock meter is where there's no reading, no usage. Even though the customer may be using 10,000 gallons, we don't know. We're not seeing it at all. And this is where, when you hear a customer talk about back billing, this is where the back billing comes into play. Now, up until now, up until today, can you pass this? We're back billing customers 60 months, five years. We're proposing that we reduce that 60 months down to 12 months. And that will help us and help the customer where it's going to be a zero. So if the customer had a zero during that month, which let's say five years. Let's say a customer had a back billing for five years. Their meter have not been working. Hopefully that's not the truth. I'm just making up numbers. It's not the case. But let's say that's the case. The utility will need to eat the other four years. And then we will adjust the customer bill based on the 12 months. Not only that, the customer can still go into a payment arrangement with a 10%, no interest, whether it's 24 months. And if that customer needs a little bit longer than the 24 months to pay, we will allow longer than the 24 months. This is just a quick recap of what the back billing looked like. We're going to determine when the meter stopped to register, and we're going to calculate the average monthly usage. We're going to apply the 12-month look-back period, and we're going to issue a corrective billing.

9:29:11 – 9:29:48Speaker 25

Real quick interject. One of the things that you just talked about regarding if there's a leak, you can go back 12 months. with what the commission said that we would like to see that if there's an estimated bill you have to take check it out within 60 days it would kind of avoid hopefully those particular things whether the meter stuck or whether it's an estimate because you don't have a sending unit that it's actually providing the information so i like the information that is being reduced but hopefully we will eliminate that just by having a resolution that makes you, which I know it's going to be part of your presentation, have people come out whenever something like this becomes a flag.

9:29:48 – 9:30:27Speaker 46

Yes, sir. So our goal is, and staff is looking into the opportunity of either using some temporary services or using a company. So every time that, so we'll be able to bring that to you hopefully in the early fall. And the purpose of having some additional staff, because our current staff is unable to do that, we'll be able to hire them whenever the utility billing run the report and we're seeing that whether it's an estimated bill or if it's a no usage, someone will go out and read the meter and will bill the customer. Now, keep in mind, as I'm saying this, we're still working on it. We still need to bring it to you if it's over a certain dollar amount. No, no.

9:30:27Speaker 25

But that's the goal. I understand. And my understanding from the meetings that we had in one-on-one meetings is that probably 10% of our utility customers are being estimated at this time.

9:30:35Speaker 46

Correct. Yes, sir.

9:30:37 – 9:32:41Speaker 46

Yes, sir. Now, part of also, and I'll cover that in a little bit, This is just an example of a stock meter. Like I said, the customer will be able to go into a 24-month payment plan. The customer will be able to get an adjustment back to 12 months. And as part of actually what you just approved, hopefully in the next three to five years, we'll be overhauling the entire AMI system. Keep in mind that will take some time. And then hopefully I will never have to stand in front of you and talk about back billing and MTU transmission issue again. It will be other things, but it won't be this one. Why are we doing this? Why is it that we cannot just automatically give free service? Because we have a bond ordinance in place. And our bond ordinance says no free services. Section 711 said no free services. And that is the main reason for us not to be able to give free service. However, what I'm proposing is the maximum of what we can allow in terms of providing relief to our customers, providing the best customer service that we're able to provide for our customer, which is the reason why we're proposing, number one, the 60 months, going 12 months, proactive customer service notice. We want to make sure when a customer receives an extreme bill, outside of let's say their bill is $125 and all of a sudden they're receiving a $500 bill. We want to make sure that they're notified. They are aware that this is coming. So part of this next few months what we're going to do is set up with this our website, our social media, and we're going to do everything we can to provide information to our customers to let them know that, hey, your meter has been stuck or you have an estimated bill. This is what's coming. These are the options that we have available to you. We want to make sure that we're providing that customer service piece.

9:32:43Speaker 32

Does the city pay for water? The city? Yes, sir. City departments? Yes, actually. They have a meter and they pay the same rates?

9:32:51Speaker 46

Every facility. Actually, Cassandra is upset with me right now.

9:32:55Speaker 32

Yeah. How about the beach showers?

9:32:59Speaker 32

Where is that meter?

9:33:01Speaker 46

I'm not sure exactly where it is.

9:33:02Speaker 32

So that's just a meter on the beach? And what department pays that? Where is that billed through?

9:33:06Speaker 46

It's probably Parks and Rec. It's either Parks and Rec or fire, depending on...

9:33:10Speaker 23

I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one that goes to the beach, and you can see at least one shower just running, running, running with these stuck valves.

9:33:19 – 9:33:33Speaker 32

And four hours later, you're walking by, and the same thing is I always try to pull them and get them to stop, sometimes not successfully. So that obviously is running the water bill that we're all paying in a way that's irresponsible.

9:33:33Speaker 33

So Adam? I mean, either way, it's still general fund, whether it's Parks and Rec or Public Works that's paying that.

9:33:39 – 9:34:19Speaker 32

So the point is that there needs to be better maintenance of those valves. And if these push valves are getting stuck all the time, how about getting more simple, you know, regular type, you know, restroom valves that are less prone to these mistakes or more fixable or ones that time themselves out because there's always water running and it's just a waste and a shame. And now I know that we're paying for it, so. besides the waste of water. So whoever is responsible, if we need to change those valves to a more simple system that's off the shelf and nothing fancy, as long as it doesn't break down like these do, that's what we need to do.

9:34:19 – 9:34:40Speaker 46

And absolutely, we will work with our public works director, our fire, our parks and rec, whenever they need anything done, they call us and they tell us and we'll quickly go over and provide the support that they need. But yes, every city department pays water and sewer and irrigation, sorry.

9:34:42Speaker 32

So our water bill is going to go up significantly, just like the rest of the users.

9:34:46Speaker 32

So come budget time.

9:34:48Speaker 46

Including utilities. I charge my own utility. And I take it out automatically.

9:34:56 – 9:38:05Speaker 46

That's why she's upset. Yes. Irrigation. Up until now, irrigation was one class. We only have one tier. There wasn't two tier. And so what we're proposing is a zero revenue neutral change to irrigation. And what I can say to you is, along with all of the other questions Commissioner Groomer have in terms of let's look at all those different tiers for certain families, In the next three to five years, once we do an actual rate study, we'll take a look at all of these. But for right now, what we did was an irrigation update. We changed it from one tier. For example, a single family now has two tiers. Zero to 1,500 is the first tier at $5.97. The second tier is 1,501. The same goes for multi-family, and the same goes for non-residential. And the goal is the same thing, just to provide support for those. When an irrigation meter customer has an issue with that meter, right now there's literally nothing we can do. And there are times when there are issues, whether it's the plumber adjusts the meter incorrectly because they tied the meter back to the portable water meter. we still have to charge the customer because we have no option. This will give the customer some option where it can be adjusted similar to a potable water. Now, keep in mind, as I said, this is something that we'll look on in the next few years and we'll bring it back to you. We also are encouraging our customers to use an irrigation meter. There's so many different reasons for irrigation meter. It lowers their utility bills. It supports conservation and healthy landscaping. It provides an accurate tracking for those customers. For example, if they're using their potable water, that is going down the sewer. But if they're using an irrigation meter, that is different. So we're not charging them a sewer charge for the irrigation meter. It's a separate charge, and we really are encouraging all of our customers. If they are irrigating, if they want those beautiful lawns, to please reach out to us, apply for an irrigation meter, and use those irrigation meters. Unfortunately, we cannot install the irrigation meter because we cannot work on private properties. So they would need to engage a plumber to be able to do that. Our long-term goal is to replace the AMI system, which ultimately eliminates stuck meters, transmission errors. Once this ordinance is approved, and I'm going to claim it, Our goal is to provide the best customer service for our customers. We want to make sure that our customers receive the best, and we know that Hollywood is on top of, I believe Mayor Rand said earlier that we are the leader in so many things, and we are. We are a great community, and we want our customers to understand and believe that we are, and we are looking out for their best interests. Questions?

9:38:07 – 9:38:26Speaker 32

Way to go, Phyllis. I know you put a lot of heart into this and you took all of our feedback and made the terms with our customers a lot more fair, especially when there's an issue. Thank you. So I thank you for that. Let's go to Commissioner Shuham.

9:38:27 – 9:38:53Speaker 47

Yeah, I just wanted to say the same, that we all have encountered residents that have been very upset about these charges and, you know, there's nothing that we can do. It is what it is. So to have spent so much time and given this so much thought, it's not something that most residents will ever know of, but it's deeply appreciated. So thank you.

9:38:55Speaker 32

Thank you. Let's go to Commissioner Biederman, and then we'll take public comment.

9:38:58 – 9:39:12Speaker 34

Thank you. Thank you for all the hard work taking our comments and considerations. I just have a question. When you point down, I know that we always talked about you can't get free water.

9:39:12Speaker 33

I thought it was state law, not city ordinance.

9:39:15Speaker 34

But how are we giving four years of free water?

9:39:22Speaker 46

Because the utility has to pay for it. At the end of the day, it's coming out of the utility.

9:39:29Speaker 34

But then we're giving free water, and we're not allowed to give free water, so I don't want to... Well, it's not intentional.

9:39:33Speaker 32

It's not intentional free.

9:39:35 – 9:39:48Speaker 46

So the code says that we have to treat everybody fairly, and so no free service means that we're not automatically saying... Granting a free... Saying to the mayor, Mayor, you can get some free...

9:39:48Speaker 34

So it's everybody. Okay.

9:39:50 – 9:40:09Speaker 34

So I know you talked about... That's all I need. I know. Don't tell anybody. So I know you talked about flagging the Es. That's also going to flag like zero flow also so that we know ahead of time?

9:40:10Speaker 34

Like how's that alert going to work? Is that somebody responsible and it's just going to throw an email to that person or something?

9:40:20 – 9:40:47Speaker 46

Alberta is here, our great utility billing system, It provides us opportunity to run reports. So every billing that we do, which is weekly, we can run, we can see what accounts are being estimated, what accounts are zero. Now, once they have those reports, those reports go to our AMI and field tech persons. We have a team for field technicians. We have a team for meters. And they disperse them and send them out.

9:40:48Speaker 34

And how close are we to having some kind of a high usage alert system?

9:40:53Speaker 46

Actually, I should be, probably by the time you come back from your break, I should have something.

9:40:57 – 9:41:08Speaker 34

Okay, thank you. You're welcome. And I forgot what the next thing was. I'm sorry. I should have wrote it down. It's okay. Thank you.

9:41:08Speaker 32

Thank you, Phyllis. Let's hear from Anne Ralston.

9:41:16Speaker 57

Thank you. That was not in any of the backup I saw. So I don't even, it was very hard for me to understand she was talking this way.

9:41:23Speaker 38

So thank you. So I don't have time to read it.

9:41:29 – 9:43:19Speaker 57

But I guess my question is, is there a base rate? I know when I had a leak at my house years ago, now this wasn't implemented, but I just got a $400 bill because I guess when the plumber fixed my toilet, let it run and didn't know it in a bathroom I don't use. But I was never contacted. This program, if, say, I get a leak, that I'm going to get notified before my water jumps to $400 or $500. I think that's what I heard, but I'm not sure because it was all this way. The other thing is I What happens when the rain? I don't have a storm drain, so my street floods. When I get a regular hard rain and the sewer backs up, it comes into my house. Do I get a discount for that to get that all cleaned up? It just comes up. I don't know how, but it came up through my shower. And it was shooting out my backyard. I actually probably texted Josh 15 times to get the thing stopped. But I'm just saying there's issues. And it's with sewer end. And then somebody made a comment about why not have a sewer meter and a water meter so that you know there's a difference of the two in what you use. Because me alone, I'm not going to use a bathroom as much as a family of five. So why should I pay more sewer? In the same breath, why should your larger family pay more water? So, I mean, it works both ways. So I'm just bringing those points up.

9:43:22Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Hernandez.

9:43:25 – 9:44:15Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. Annie. And I'm just coming to conclusions here. Don't hold me to that. But maybe one of the reasons that your sewer backs up when it's raining and your street is flooding is because one of your neighbors may be trying to get rid of the water by opening up the sewer connection cap. And all the water goes in there and it backs flows into your property. I'm not saying, I said I am coming to a conclusion, which I may not, but one of the things that could be happening that your sewer is backing up into your house is because when the street floods, some of your neighbors may be opening up the cap where the sewer clean out is, and all the water from the storm is going in there, and they may be causing- We don't even have a storm drain for that to happen.

9:44:15Speaker 57

I have looked everywhere. I would even clean it, but I don't have any place. that entire flush on a regular rain.

9:44:25Speaker 38

All right. All right.

9:44:28 – 9:44:42Speaker 32

So on item 34, Pat, do we have a motion yet? Motion to approve. Motion from, we have a motion to approve by Commissioner Gruber, a second from Vice Mayor Kaleri. Let's read the ordinance and call the roll call vote. Item 34.

9:44:44 – 9:45:01Speaker 8

An ordinance of the city of Hollywood, Florida amending chapter 51 of the code of ordinances entitled water to update the current regulations relating to accounts and procedures, providing for a severability clause and a repealer provision, codification, and an effective date.

9:45:07Speaker 49

Call the roll.

9:45:13Speaker 32

We don't blame you. Phyllis Shaw is a great person to talk with.

9:45:16Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman.

9:45:18Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana. Yes. Commissioner Shuham. Yes. Commissioner Hernandez. Yes. Vice Mayor Kaleri. Yes. Commissioner Gruber. Yes. Mayor Levy.

9:45:28 – 9:45:55Speaker 32

Yes, yes, and yes. All right, show the ordinance passing unanimously on first reading. On to item 35, an ordinance of the City of Hollywood amending section 52.53 of the Code of Ordinances entitled rates and charges for use of system to update the current regulations relating to accounts and procedures providing for repeal, severability, codification, effective date. This was covered in the presentation by Phyllis. Ann Ralston for item 35.

9:45:59Speaker 57

I'm not even sure what the issue is. I'm sorry. He was talking in my ear.

9:46:03Speaker 32

Yeah, item 35.

9:46:05Speaker 57

Could you tell me what it is? I'm sorry. He was talking to me.

9:46:08Speaker 32

It was part of Phyllis's presentation. This is the rates and charges for use of the system.

9:46:14Speaker 31

Pretty much the same thing.

9:46:15Speaker 57

Oh, it's basically just saying just keep raising our rates. We're loving it.

9:46:22Speaker 31

No, we're lowering. Oh.

9:46:24Speaker 32

Let's go ahead with a motion on ordinance item 35.

9:46:27Speaker 31

Motion to approve. Second.

9:46:30Speaker 32

Motion from Commissioner Hsu. I'm second from Commissioner Gruber to approve the ordinance on first reading. City Attorney, item 35.

9:46:39 – 9:46:58Speaker 8

An ordinance of the City of Hollywood, Florida amending section 52.53 of the Code of Ordinances entitled Rates and Charges for Use of System to update the current regulations relating to accounts and procedures providing for repeal, severability, codification, and an effective date.

9:46:59Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman.

9:47:03Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana? Yes. Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez? Si. Vice Mayor Clary? Yes. Commissioner Gruber? Yes. Mayor Levy?

9:47:13Speaker 32

Yes. That means yes in Hebrew, since Hernandez went Spanish. Anybody want to throw out another language? Portuguese? Anything? Anybody?

9:47:24 – 9:48:07Speaker 32

Oui. Like in Morocco. E, that's an abric, yeah. All right, item 36, show orders passing unanimously on the first reading. Item 36 is an ordinance of the City of Hollywood amending Chapter 110 of the Code of Ordinances entitled Local Business Tax Receipts Generally, amending subsections under general provisions, amending subsections under business classification and local business tax rate schedule, and amending subsections under administration and enforcement. This is an ordinance on first reading from financial services. Whoever's going to come up and go through it, come on up. We'll get to it soon.

9:48:09 – 9:48:36Speaker 33

Good evening. Adam Reichbeck, deputy city manager. This item is to provide some increases to our local business tax receipts. We are recommending a 5% increase, which is allowable by state statute. Last time we had raised our rates was in 2010. Why don't you go over the rates? Well, the rates are based on every category. So every local business tax receipt category is increasing by 5%. 5% increase.

9:48:36 – 9:48:48Speaker 32

All right. All right. I speak of cards at item 36. No cards. We have a motion to approve. Second. Second from Vice Mayor Kaleri.

9:48:49Speaker 40

Excuse me, Mayor. Who made the motion? We couldn't hear you. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Second.

9:48:59Speaker 32

City attorney, go ahead.

9:49:01 – 9:49:22Speaker 8

An ordinance of the city of Hollywood, Florida amending chapter 110, the code of ordinances entitled local business tax receipts generally, amending subsections under general provisions, amending subsections under business classification and local business tax rate schedule, and amending subsections under administration and enforcement.

9:49:24Speaker 40

Commissioner Biederman?

9:49:25Speaker 40

Commissioner Quintana? Yes. Commissioner Shuham? Yes. Commissioner Hernandez?

9:49:31Speaker 40

Vice Mayor Clary? Yes. Commissioner Gruber?

9:49:36 – 9:50:15Speaker 32

No. Short ordinance passes 4-3 on first reading. On to our regular, back to our regular agenda. Local business taxes. Let's go ahead to item 40, a resolution of the city commission, setting the proposed maximum millage rate pursuant to section 200.0652 of the Florida statutes and setting the date, time, and place at which a public hearing will be held to consider the proposed millage rate and tentative budget. Note to everyone, there's a corrected information sheet on the dais for item 40, correcting some of the millage rates there.

9:50:15 – 9:51:45Speaker 33

Adam. Good evening Adam Reich back deputy city manager and just to just for the record the correction is only because we were waiting on the July 1st data as well as getting our rollback rate and that's why we had to that came out after the Agenda was published and so that's why that information is now placed on the dais So as part of the budget process each year, every July, we ask you all to approve our maximum millage rate. So the presentation before you today will be for items 40, 41, and 42. 41 and 42 is for our fire assessment and fire inspection fee. So you'll see that as part of this presentation as well. So we are happy to share that with the July 1st data that came out, again on July 1st, our taxable value increase from 2026 to 2027 is a 6.1% increase. If you recall at part of the workshop, we represented to you that the increase based on the June 1st data was 5.76%. So that was nice to see a little bit of an increase there getting us above the 6% range. This does result in an additional $104 million that was added to the taxable values between the June and July data. And now the taxable value for fiscal year 2027 is $28.7 billion. As you can see, all the sectors throughout the city have seen an increase from 26 to 27, with the exception of commercial just saw a little bit of a slight dip. But again, ultimately, all the other sectors did see an increase.

9:51:46Speaker 34

Do we know what caused it?

9:51:47Speaker 33

What was that?

9:51:48Speaker 34

I'm sorry. Do we know what caused the dip or some commercial buildings down?

9:51:52 – 9:52:59Speaker 33

It could just be that some commercial buildings also get based on their income as well. So that could be why those values came down. We are recommending a flat operating millage of 7.4293. This would yield a net operating property tax revenue of approximately $202.4 million. As you can see, the debt service millage is proposed to decrease ever so slightly. Again, it's based on the fact that with our property values going up, we are now able to bring that debt service down incrementally because we just need the same amount to get every year in order for us to make our mortgage payments for that. And so the change in the total millage is 0.0238 mills. And just to put that into perspective, just so you're aware, when we presented this to you as part of the workshop, the total millage was 7.9386. We were able to get that 8 and the 6 switched around to 6.8 just the way it worked out. because of the debt service millage being able to go down just ever so slightly.

9:52:59 – 9:53:13Speaker 32

Adam, why don't you stop there? Let's go ahead and take a vote on the millage before we get into the fire. Are there any speakers on item 40? Let's go ahead. Ann Ralston.

9:53:18 – 9:54:57Speaker 57

The section I got, I came up with 7.4479 as the proposed. That was 25, so sorry about that. I say it every year. Unless that millage rate gets lowered by 2.7%, every homesteaded property just went up in value 2.7%. That means I'm taxed on that 2.7% more than I did last year. Any non-homesteaded property has a 10% cap, except on the school board. They pay full market value. They can go up as high as 10% that they would pay over and above what is last year's taxes. If you say you lower them and it's only the debt season or debt service, which I would think as you pay down, it goes down. So that is the reason the millage is lower. So you're not lowering taxes. Your debt service is less. But my millage rate and my taxes will go up incrementally because I'm homesteaded. It's like $30, $40, whatever. But now you're going to add on the fire fee, which I'll withdraw my card and say it now because I'd really like to go home. is you're adding another $10 I think is what the increase is doing. So now you're adding not only 2.7%, staying the millage rate the same basically, because those are very minor, and adding $10. That could be a woman's, an old lady like me's prescription. Thank you.

9:54:59 – 9:55:13Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. Annie. All those in favor of the resolution setting the maximum millage rate and the $1,100 budget say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the item carries unanimously.

9:55:14Speaker 40

Excuse me, Mayor. Who made that motion?

9:55:19Speaker 32

You tell me I don't remember anymore.

9:55:21Speaker 40

I don't have it. That's why I'm asking.

9:55:22Speaker 49

So I'll make the motion to approve. And Commissioner Biederman, second. All in favor?

9:55:28Speaker 49

Any opposed? None. Motion passes 7-0. Thank you, Vice Mayor. There you go. Thank you. Now I got my second win. Let's go.

9:55:37Speaker 32

Nurse Kaleri is doing the night shift.

9:55:39Speaker 49

Now I'm back on the game. Let's go.

9:55:42 – 9:56:06Speaker 32

She's supernatural. We always said that. Item 41 is a resolution of the City Commission of City of Hollywood relating to the provision of fire services, facilities, and programs in the City of Hollywood establishing the estimated assessment rate for fire rescue assessments for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2026, directing the preparation of an assessment rule authorizing a public hearing and directing provision of notice thereof, conflicts, severability, ta, ta, ta. Adam.

9:56:07 – 9:56:28Speaker 33

So for fiscal year 2027, we are recommending a slight increase to the fire rescue assessment. For residential properties, that increase is proposed to go up $10. The current rate for fiscal year 2026 is $354. And the recommended rate for fiscal year 2027 is $364. For the non-residential, as you may recall, we changed the methodology last year.

9:56:28Speaker 23

Or I guess you can say last year for this current fiscal year.

9:56:32 – 9:57:34Speaker 33

And this will now be the second year in which now we are charging based on a per square footage amount on commercial, industrial, as well as institutional. So just for comparison purposes, if you look at fiscal year 2026, the commercial rate was $0.48 per square foot. And based on the proportional increase, when you increase the residential, it increases all categories. And so the commercial rate is being proposed to go to 49 cents. What setting the fire assessment fee at the $364, again, that 10% increase does put us at the 97.5% funding ratio. If you may recall, that has been the historic amount that we've been trying to increase. keep at the 97.5% ratio of fire suppression services. We have gone down a little bit in the last couple years, but again, we would like to increase that back to the 97.5%. It would yield about an additional $936,000 in revenue to the city, but again, with a lot of our increases both on the personnel side as well as on the operating and capital, this is a necessary increase for us to ensure that we're able to provide that.

9:57:34Speaker 34

Motion to approve. Second. 48.

9:57:38Speaker 32

Adam Gruber, Commissioner Gruber is asking a question on the commercial increase.

9:57:42Speaker 31

Yes. Sorry, I know I missed it, Adam. No problem. Commercial is $0.49 from what? It was $0.48 per square foot prior. And industrial, $0.07 per square foot from what?

9:57:51 – 9:58:24Speaker 33

It actually, just frankly, based on rounding, it was $0.07 per square foot under this year as well. And then the institutional is going up from $0.65 to $0.67. $0.02. So it's a $0.02 increase on the institutional. Industrial is flat. Again, that could be based on a rounding. But the commercial is going from $0.48 to $0.49. All right, so 1%, 1.5% for each. OK. And again, that's basically just about a 3% increase on the residential.

9:58:24Speaker 32

Do we have a motion to approve?

9:58:25Speaker 49

No, we have to do a citizen card, she said. No, she did not withdraw, she said.

9:58:33Speaker 40

I don't have any cards, but Anne wanted to speak.

9:58:36Speaker 57

Come in. Come on up.

9:58:40Speaker 49

OK. Motion to approve. Oh, we have it in second? OK. There we go.

9:58:46 – 9:59:13Speaker 32

All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Item carries unanimously. Fabulous. Item 42 is a resolution of the City Commission, City of Hollywood, relating to the provision of fire inspection services in the City of Hollywood, establishing the estimated assessment rates for fire inspection assessments for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2026. Directing the preparation of the assessment rule, authorizing a public hearing, directing a provision of notice thereof, provided for conflicts or ability. Adam.

9:59:14 – 10:00:01Speaker 33

Thank you very much. For the fire inspection rate, we are proposing an unchanged fire inspection rate from $17 to $17 from fiscal year 2026 to 2027. Just as a reminder, this only applies to multifamily properties on the residential side, and then it's applicable to all non-residential properties. And then setting the fire inspection assessment rate at this level would bring it to the ninety seven and a half percent Similar to what we just did on the fire assessment fee as well any speaker cards motion to approve second Also, they would say aye aye any opposed hearing none item carries unanimously All right, just for the public consumption We will be having our next budget workshop on August 26, and that'll be an operating and a capital workshop Thank you What time?

10:00:02Speaker 32

Usually 5 or 6 PM. I'll look it up for you right now.

10:00:08Speaker 32

Appreciate it.

10:00:09Speaker 49

I will give you that information.

10:00:11 – 10:00:38Speaker 32

Item 47 is a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Hollywood approving and authorizing the city to execute a purchase and sale agreement with BHP Community Land Trust. to sell five city-owned vacant parcels in the amount of $151,000 located in low- and moderate-income areas for future development of affordable and workforce housing for either sale or rent. This item requires a 5-7ths vote from the Office of Housing and Community Development.

10:00:38Speaker 25

Mr. Ryan. Mayor, if I may?

10:00:40Speaker 57

Can we hear this?

10:00:41Speaker 32

Hold on. Let me just clear the queue. We had our citizen comments at 5 o'clock.

10:00:49 – 10:01:09Speaker 57

I mean, on this item, I have a card in. I'd like to just be able to give my speech because- Go ahead. Okay, thank you. The market value is 1.8 million. You're selling it for 151 for affordable housing. I'd love that deal. But this woman is sat here from 2.30 on. Give her what she wants.

10:01:09 – 10:01:23Speaker 32

Wow, that easy. All right. Peter, you had a question for Ryan before we got started? I'm sorry.

10:01:25Speaker 25

Go ahead. The properties on Dewey Street, which is 2034, I believe,

10:01:31Speaker 16

Yes, Commissioner, 2030 and 2034.

10:01:34 – 10:01:55Speaker 25

2030 and 2034. I have received communications from both of the homeowners in the areas, and they would like if we could withdraw those properties from this particular deal and then revisit that point later on, if it's amenable to that. I've spoken to Ryan. He has no objection to it. It's up to the Commission to do that.

10:01:55Speaker 32

Specifically 2030, Dewey?

10:01:57 – 10:02:20Speaker 25

2030, Dewey in 2034. It's because of the restrictions that currently exist on the property and see if we could actually have a rendering of what would happen before it gets approved. And that's all. They're afraid of what could happen to those properties because of how low the deed restriction is on those properties. Both of these homeowners associations do not get along with each other and they both agree on something like this.

10:02:22Speaker 32

Ryan, why don't you then present and present what Commissioner Hernandez is referring to. Thank you. We got the email from Chris. Sure.

10:02:28 – 10:06:52Speaker 16

So allow me to go through really quick. And in consideration of time, I'm going to go through really quick how we got here, and why we're doing this, and how we brought this to the commission. Ryan Coo, Community Development, Director of Housing and Community Development. This is not just the sale of city-owned property. This is an investment in the city's attainable housing. We're proposing five parcels, with the exception of the Dewey Street lot, four of the parcels We were receiving lots of solicitations from private people wanting to buy these properties. State and state law that because they're in LMI areas, the state law that we want to buy these properties and build affordable housing. However, when we did more research, we realized that in order to dispose of the properties or sell the properties, you have to go through a structured process. As such, we work with our procurement department to develop a structured procurement process that is in compliance WITH FLORIDA STATUTE 16605451. THIS STATUTE SAYS THAT IN ORDER TO DISPOSE OF SELL PROPERTIES OR DISPOSE OF THEM IN A STRUCTURED WAY FOR DEFORMAL HOUSING YOU MUST GO THROUGH A STRUCTURED RFP PROCESS OR SOMETHING THE CITY USES IN ORDER TO MOVE THESE ITEMS FORWARD. AND AS SUCH WE DID THAT. IT TOOK US ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE MADE SURE THAT VIA THIS PROCESS WE BUILD IN SAFEGUARDS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT WILL BE MAINTAINED AS SUCH IN PERPETUITY or we wanted to make sure we attracted the right partners to move this initiative forward in the right way. Now, a committee was developed as a part of the RFP that included the planning director, the head of planning at the time, one of our chief building inspectors, and a member of the community development housing team. This committee reviewed several proposals and came to the conclusion that they were going to make a recommendation for the land trust who's here today who will stand up and say a few things in favor of their ability to move forward with this initiative. You'll see here on this page some benefits to the short-term action and the long-term action. While there is a upfront financial return, right, is lower with this, when you look at the long-term public benefit, there's a significant benefit to the city because the city is preserving attainable housing in perpetuity rather than selling an asset one time and it no longer becomes affordable after it's sold at one time. Who benefits from something like this? Because we're doing something where it's going to be home ownership as a part of this, people who benefit from this are your public employees, City of Hollywood employees, your nurses, your police, your firefighters, your employees that are 50,000 and are leaving the city every day and coming back into the city to work every day. And in addition to that, we have an opportunity to put Hollywood residents or people who work in Hollywood as a priority because of the partnership that we can establish with the land trust. And that's my presentation now. Commissioner Hernandez had a question about the Dewitt Street properties. The Dewitt Street properties were not initially part of the group of properties that were being solicited by a lot of these private organizations wanting to buy our properties for affordable housing development. Those properties have a deed restriction on them, a federal deed restriction that requires us to build only affordable housing on those properties if we're going to do anything with them. However, they can stay the way they are. But if you're going to do anything with them, it has to be affordable housing at the federal level, which requires it to be 80% and below. Those properties have been, the city's been tried for many years to do something with those properties, but they've always fallen through. We put them in this mix because we knew we were going after certain developers who were able to make these things happen and The land trust has a pretty significant plan for those two lots. But we understand right now there's some community concerns. That's a good word. Thank you. Long night. Community concerns with those two lots. So I spoke to Steve. And Steve said, you can pull them and revisit them. And I spoke to the land trust. And they're OK with that, too. Because we want to make sure that what we're doing here is moving in the right direction. But I must say this. If we do anything with these lots, it has to be for housing because of the way the deed restriction is written right now, and it has to be 80% and below. Is it 80% or 30%? Yes, sir, 80% and below. Up to 80% is the threshold.

10:06:52Speaker 32

Design site plan review like any other proposal?

10:06:55Speaker 25

No, not residential. It doesn't go through that.

10:06:59Speaker 32

Wouldn't this trigger like a design review?

10:07:01Speaker 16

Well, they're here right now. Yeah. They're here right now, so if you want to, if, I'm sorry, you want to?

10:07:08Speaker 25

No, no, I'm just saying, we're not looking to prevent this from happening.

10:07:14 – 10:07:28Speaker 25

The community just wants to see a layout of what would be built there prior to them having a consent when it comes to this. Like I said, they're not against this is happening. As a matter of fact, we do want to know this thing all around. They're just concerned, and I just want to give them their due. That's all.

10:07:29 – 10:07:51Speaker 16

100%. And I spoke to the land trust, and they're more than willing to take this action right now with that to make sure. They want to be a partner with the city. They want to come in and work with the associations. They want to make sure that they're getting buy-in. At the end of the day, it's about reciprocity. The community needs to be a part of this process, but at the same time, with these particular lots, there's a deed restriction that we must adhere to.

10:07:51Speaker 25

And that is the reason that I wanted to pull them in. and give them the opportunity for them to present and talk to the community, the people involved, and then bring it back, and it would be something. Peter, let me ask you a question.

10:08:01 – 10:08:16Speaker 32

If this is deed restricted, as he's describing, and there's not anything other than what we're here to do tonight to do with it, and we have a partner that we're doing business with that will come in and work with design and get with the neighbors and the association, why delay it and make it a double process?

10:08:16 – 10:08:31Speaker 25

We're not trying to delay it or make it a double process. We're just trying to give a level of comfort to the people in the community as to what they're getting from this. This has been on hold for so many years. Everybody's amiable to doing something like this. It's just another step so they can feel that they're worthy of their neighborhood.

10:08:31Speaker 32

So maybe staff can tell us Why should we have confidence in the design level that the neighbors are concerned about?

10:08:37 – 10:09:55Speaker 16

So the neighbors, when they reached out a couple days ago, they said they were told it was 120. That is not true. These properties are federally deed restricted at 80% and below. And I provided the entire history of how we acquired these properties, actually how they came into our possession, and why they're federally deed restricted. These properties were once... Housing for people with HIV AIDS, HOPWA housing. It's a federal program. When the city acquired the properties, that deed restriction stayed with the properties. And it's written in the different ordinance and the resolutions where it must be used for 80% or below. These properties right now have been left vacant for a long time. And the city has tried on many occasions to try to move these properties into some kind housing program, but they were never successful. Because once people saw the level of deed restriction, it's really difficult to make those deals pencil. And plus, they're smaller lots. They're not big lots. They're too small lots. So it's a challenge sometimes for a bigger developer create a plan to pencil that deal. As a matter of fact, when we put this out there, we put all the lots out there to Pinnacle, HCG, the folks you saw today, New Star, everybody, they weren't interested in any of them because they said, this is not what we do. These are more infill, smaller lots that are designed for single-family homes. And Dewey is the only one that could accommodate some kind of multi-unit. However, it can be a challenge.

10:09:56 – 10:10:28Speaker 25

And that is the reason why, because we have the ability to probably do multi-units on that particular sensor. It's not just one design. The community would like to be vested into what goes in there. That's all I'm asking. And I would be more than happy to move the item with that particular caveat that we can revisit to what goes in there. And everybody's amenable to this. And that's so that we can get the most for that particular lot density-wise. and being able to have more residents to be able to live within those means.

10:10:28Speaker 32

Well, Ryan, what would be the plan of the community land trust for the one multi-family property at 60?

10:10:33 – 10:11:12Speaker 16

On Dewey Street? When they proposed their plan to us, they wanted to put a multi-unit rental there because of the deed restriction. So minimum of 11, because they have to account for the parking and things of that nature. So even though Mandy and I have been the CEO, she's here today, we've been having several discussions prior to figure out what makes the most sense there. And they do have some interesting ideas. But the number one thing that I feel confident with them, and not just Dewey Street, but everything else, is they're big on engaging with the community, making sure the people in the community understand why they're here, what they're doing, and engaging with the commission, too, to make sure you have your buy-in on what they're going to be building in these communities.

10:11:12Speaker 25

Yeah. And that's why I want to give them the process that she wants to do as well as the community wants to do.

10:11:18 – 10:12:17Speaker 16

Even with the construction of the properties for sale, right? Those properties, they're going to be class A beautiful homes because they work in many cities right now. And she's going to go up and give you a better overview of what they do and how they do things. And their whole focus is home ownership. They would have loved to make Dewey home ownership. But it can be a challenge because if the commission remembers, when we sold that property at 2323 Cleveland, we had to subsidy that lady up to $170,000 because she was 80%. That can be tough. We had to subsidy. They come with their own finance mechanisms. That's why it's a beauty to work with these guys because It's an advantage for the city. Because even though we would be giving it to them, in the long term, even the homes, because there's going to be a little bit of equity share she'll get into as well for the homeowner, the city will always have something that's going to be workforce related so it can be sold as workforce housing. But allow me to have Mandy come up here, the CEO, and to share what she can do and how her partnership can benefit the city of Hollywood in the long run. Thank you for hearing me at 11 o'clock at night.

10:12:17Speaker 32

PASTOR BARRY PARSHALL- Past my bedtime.

10:12:24 – 10:17:58Speaker 39

Mandy Bartle, President and CEO of the South Florida Community Land Trust. Thank you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, for your time on a very busy agenda. And I want to thank you overall for your commitment to affordable housing that has been clear not only tonight, but over the years. And really commend you for being thoughtful about using your public property for different public benefits and good, including affordable housing. And these actual properties last month were brought to you for that very purpose. So just a little bit overview about community land trust. Promise to be quick, but make sure to answer any questions that you guys have. One of our goals is to make sure that we're bringing affordable housing to communities, because we believe that cities and communities and their character and charm are really built by the people living and working there. And so therefore, we've got to make sure that we price housing in a way that people living and working in the community can afford to stay. So we have been an affordable housing developer working across South Florida for the last 20 years. I'm really excited about the opportunity to do our first projects. in the city of Hollywood. In fact, we've had several past board members that were very big advocates of working with the city, including Sandra Einhorn as the fourth man. So really excited to be able to have this opportunity here today. We've got projects in more than 13 cities. We've built new. We've renovated existing housing. We do home ownership and rental. And then we always put it in the land trust as a way to keep it affordable for the long term. So I'll be brief. There's several of the lots, lot A, C, and D, that we're looking at single family development that's allowed on the site. Most of these are actually in District 2, although there is one property in the vice mayor's district. This is a sample rendering. But as you heard earlier, one of our commitments to the community is to involve them in community engagement and do a neighborhood charrette. and find out what really fits in context with the neighborhood. So while we did do a test fit, and this is what could be there, the actual designs and facades may be different based on each street or neighborhood or district. In fact, that exact community process had won us awards from the American Institute of Architects for some of our past projects in Deerfield Beach. These are the two other lots where we can fit a few more units. Lot B, we're still proposing to do home ownership. Those just would be attached homes in a townhouse development with tucked under parking on the bottom. And then lot E, which we can talk about, we were looking at a multi-family rental, small scale. We're not talking about a large tax credit deal, but the advantage of that is the financing is much less nuanced. We would like to be, you know, assuming that that particular site gets approved today on the agenda, then we can really start working with staff, both with Ryan as well as your planning department, to see exactly what we could build and start that community engagement process to hear from the residents what they want to see. In fact, one of our recent projects that we're about to close on construction financing in Little Haiti We did that very engagement with neighborhood residents to find out what they wanted. And we went from going, in that instance, from a rental to a home ownership deal. And we moved the kitchens around in different ways and really got them involved in that process from the very start. So we're looking forward to starting that process. One of the keys is to finish the procurement process, which, of course, includes your approval today. High level overview, home ownership, we're targeting kind of the middle income, likely people are earning the median income. We did say that we would go up to 120% of the area median income. But if we can start bringing additional subsidies from Broward County, even from the city of Hollywood's home and CHOTO funds and CDBG dollars, starting to use some of your down payment assistance program, we actually think we can bring that price point down to be affordable to people earning 80% of the median income. And then, of course, on lot E, as you heard earlier, we are targeting up to 80% of the median income for the rental housing. In fact, our entire rental portfolio, which is close to 125 units right now in Broward County, of these similar small-scale developments, is all reserved for 80% of the median income, with the majority for those apartments. very low income households at 50% of the median. What we're finding more often now is doing a little bit of a mix on the variety of incomes is working better, not only for us as a property, but for the entire community. So that would be likely what we would look at. But of course, we'd be looking forward to hearing from some of the residents, not just about the design, but the type of project they want to see in their neighborhood and community. Just a few key features. Again, we are very committed to the community driven design. Everything's got hurricane resilient features in there, quality building design, energy efficient. Again, the single family homes we built in Deerfield Beach We're the first in all of Florida to receive both the Energy Star Green and Enterprise Green certified homes. Whether we get a certification or not, that commitment to green and resilient features will be there. So happy to answer any questions you guys have, but I wanted to make sure I ran through that as quickly as I can so that everyone could get home hopefully sometime today.

10:18:00Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. Let's call on commissioners. And if we have questions, we'll certainly ask. Let's go to Commissioner Shuham.

10:18:08 – 10:18:52Speaker 47

Thank you. Mandy, thank you so much for sticking it out with us. I've heard really wonderful things about your company. And to Commissioner Hernandez's point, it sounds like you've made the commitment here tonight. And from what I hear, it's what you always do anyway, to make sure that you work very closely with the neighbors. I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'LL PARTICIPATE ON EACH PROPERTY. RYAN, ONE QUESTION I HAVE, YOU HAVE LES'S PROPOSAL IN THERE, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN WE GET THOSE, YOU WOULD GIVE US SOME SORT OF A COMPARISON. WAS IT JUST THAT THERE WAS NO COMPARISON?

10:18:53 – 10:19:52Speaker 16

We included LES because they also bid on the Farragut Street property. And reason being because at one time, LES was the leading developer in the city of Hollywood for many years ago. However, when we look at the two proposals, what the land trust submitted versus what LES submitted, the committee really had to look at what was in the best interest of the city of Hollywood in the long run. And the committee recommended the land trust because their proposal not only maximized the use of the properties, but also had a lower price point for the first time home buyer. In addition to that, they had more structured mechanisms built in, like your green building, like your quality building. All these things were all there, which let the panel know that this was a better deal. But we put them there because the commission They were our for a long time. But what's happened right now is I think you have a partner that's been doing this all over the county that's very proficient, and we wanted to make sure you were aware of that so there wasn't anything that popped up later on that would be an issue.

10:19:53Speaker 47

Fantastic. And I'll make a motion to approve.

10:19:58Speaker 20

All right. We have a motion and a second to approve. Let's go down.

10:19:59Speaker 32

What's the motion to approve?

10:20:05 – 10:20:22Speaker 47

Yes. No, no, it's approving what's on the agenda. I mean, you know, Commissioner Hernandez can weigh in, but it sounds like exactly what he asked for has already been agreed to. Well, my motion is what's on the agenda.

10:20:25Speaker 32

All right, we have a motion and a second. Let's go ahead to public comment. Aaron Marvasti, followed by Rob Gulsar.

10:20:36 – 10:21:22Speaker 55

Good evening, everyone. I'm glad that you guys already approved it, because I was coming up here to, well, your motion, in the motion. So, my name is Erin Marvosti, and I do sit on the Community Development Advisory Board, so I do see firsthand how important it is that we do have a problem with affordable housing and workforce housing. Also, I'm a real estate professional for 25 years, so as I'm showing property to families, it's extremely hard to find families that need to live in our community and they can't afford it as well. So we have an opportunity to utilize these vacant properties, and I urge the commission and the mayor and vice mayor, please, to approve this because we need it. It's a good thing. So I thank you.

10:21:23Speaker 23

Thank you, Aaron.

10:21:24Speaker 32

Is Rob Gulsar here? Been a patient guy here all day.

10:21:34 – 10:24:49Speaker 11

Oh, I've been here all day. I didn't even get any pizza. Okay, so I'm ready. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner, city staff, and whatever residents are left. I'm Rob Guljar from District 6, and I'm here to talk about the purchase and sale agreement with BHP Community Land Trust Item 47. You all already know me. I sit on two of the city boards and a county board. I'm vice chair of the Community Development Advisory Board, but I'm also a supervisory city employee responsible for data innovation and growth management. I am here today, however, as a longtime Hollywood resident and grateful homeowner, born and raised. The city's Office of Housing Community Development has thoughtfully presented six properties as five sites to be conveyed for the development of affordable and workforce housing as for sale homes and as rental units. I grew up in Hollywood understanding what community was. People were able to make a life, a family, and a difference here. We threw block parties, we went to parades, we knew our neighbors, and we looked out for each other. Our parents and grandparents were able to purchase homes and grow and foster those communities. I look around now, and it's hard to see anyone my age afford a home. From the American Community Service data from 2005 to 2009 and 2020 to 2024, specifically for the city of Hollywood, trends show that while the population has increased in the city by 10%, the population has aged. There is a modest nominal increase in median household income adjusted for inflation. There's been a decline in owner-occupied housing, a decrease in household size and family size, and an increase in non-family households. Kelsey, a close childhood friend of mine, was in the market for a home and wanted to move to Hollywood so badly, and still would love to purchase in Hollywood, but she couldn't afford it and settled to move to Tamarack. She has multiple college degrees, she has a career, she has a family, but there wasn't housing here to accommodate her. Allowing the purchase and sale agreement will give opportunities to people like Kelsey, workforce, or even those who may be less fortunate than Need Affordable who want to have the same community that I did. We deserve that chance to make a difference here too. There are even people who work for the city who would benefit from this kind of housing, usher in a new generation of community. You are all concerned with developing housing in the housing mix and supply created or lack thereof. Research and practice both show that the only type of sustainable communities are mixed income. We need both workforce and affordable housing in the areas proposed. Site E at Dewey Street is a minimum of 11 units. Based on current policy, they will need to go through planning and urban design for DRC site plan and design with administrative approval. This subjects them to staff and administrative approval with public outreach. Five properties are in District 2, one in District 3. I strongly encourage commissioners of District 1, 4, 5, and 6 to use commission comments to request community development to find underutilized city-owned property for a similar purpose in their respective districts as well. We need housing. We need affordability. This is a win-win-win for the city. We profit from the land, see public benefit in perpetuity, and allow our communities to thrive. I urge you, mayor and commissioners, to allow populations that need affordable housing to have community right here in Hollywood.

10:24:49Speaker 32

Thank you. Everybody's jazz handy for you.

10:24:53Speaker 11

Thank you, thank you. Thank you. But I hope that that answered the concerns that you have about public participation. Also, they have to. Thank you.

10:25:02 – 10:25:19Speaker 32

All right. We do have a motion on the floor to move forward. What reassurance can anyone give Commissioner Hernandez about design review? It's such a simple part of the process, and it's a multifamily product for really what the focus is on. So why is this not going to have design review? I don't get it.

10:25:19 – 10:25:52Speaker 50

It will have design review. That was what Rob was mentioning, that it will go through the DRC process, and the DRC process will require public outreach. Obviously, in the case of the community land trust, that is how they operate anyway. So I know that that was the concern. I don't know if that's addressed the concern at this point or if there's something different than the outreach that they've promised and the outreach that's required as part of the process?

10:25:53 – 10:27:11Speaker 25

Well, a couple of things. What Ryan said that it was 80%, I'm reading over here that it's with a set aside for lower income, 80%, up to 80%, and there is less than 50% AMI. So we can go lower than the 80%, which it was my question. You told me 80%. I can see 50% here. I will vote against it, and only because all I'm asking is, all of the civic associations are asking is to be able to talk to them. Once we sell the property, I'm not saying that this will happen. Mandy seems like the right person. What is presented in front of us, it doesn't mean that that's what is going to have to be built. As long as they build, something defeats within the 80%. They're telling us it's going to be rental. But they can change your mind. Once we sell it, it's gone. What is the problem with just putting this aside and having them talk to the civic association so they can everybody be on the same page? That's all they're asking, and that's all I'm asking. Because once we vote to sell, We vote to sell, and they can change their mind. Not that they're going to. You seem like a very nice person. Highly recommend it. All I'm asking is for the people in my district, which you're going to be doing most of the work in, have the ability to talk to you, meet you, and get a level of comfort with you. That's all.

10:27:12 – 10:28:12Speaker 39

Certainly, we're amenable to any process that this commission sees fit today to approve the the properties I did want to let you know we have in the past even when we get a purchase and sale agreement Certain conditions are in that agreement that staff puts in there to make sure the wishes of the Commission and the community are included so we can make sure that by the time we have a purchase and sale agreement and whether it's commitments to meeting with the community, doing design threats, certain AMIs, all of that could be in there. One of the reasons that I'm looking forward to getting this passed is because we really want to start meeting with staff in the city and the public and the community. And right now we're still under the RFP cone of silence. So I would request that if they are separated and some are approved today and others that we at least at minimum have some way that we can engage with the city staff who are very knowledgeable about the current restrictions on this property, as well as the use, so that we can engage the community further.

10:28:12 – 10:28:32Speaker 32

Why don't we condition the agreement on requiring a meeting with the Parkside Civic Associations to, you know, within a certain number of days of the agreement being executed so that there is this extra step in community engagement, even well before DRC. Is this something you can write into the agreement?

10:28:32 – 10:28:52Speaker 50

Absolutely. The purchase and sale agreement is needing to be negotiated. And we've heard loud and clear that the neighborhood would like to be a part of that. And if the goal is for rental housing for 80% of AMI, or if they would like to see something else, it sounds like they're willing to have that conversation. So we can certainly do that.

10:28:54 – 10:29:11Speaker 25

Sorry, Peter. Go ahead. And we have to vote to sell it in order to have those conversations that cannot be had before. Go ahead, guys. Go ahead. All I ask is one thing. You guys do what you need to do. I will vote against it out of principle, only because all we're asking is for them to be able to meet with the people that represent the area. It's OK. It's OK.

10:29:11Speaker 32

GOVERNOR HOGAN- Go to Commissioner Gruber.

10:29:16 – 10:30:11Speaker 31

I completely understand what you're saying. So the max this can be is 80% AMI, this specific property. It's going to be 11 units. And it looks like they're going to mix it in and go down to even 50% AMI. So what I'm seeing, I don't know, Mandy, if you were here this morning, but we approved to go to the lottery. And those affordable projects were an average of 60% AMI, which I guess this is probably going to be an average of 60% AMI when you figure it out. And I think what Commissioner Hernandez wants is that we have the understanding that this is going to be on that same level of quality. Even though it's 11 units, that same level we saw, you know, even criticized because of the gray and white paint, but it was beautiful street level. It just needed some tweaking, like those three projects. He just wants, you want assurance that it's going to be on that level of quality for the residents, correct?

10:30:11Speaker 1

Is that my assurance?

10:30:12 – 10:30:30Speaker 25

It is the civic associations from that area, both of them. And by the way, they do not get along. They just want to know what's going to happen in their neighborhood. That's all. And all the assurances in the world that people can give us here doesn't mean the same thing if they actually speak to you before it happens.

10:30:31Speaker 31

So could we possibly put in a process in which they're involved in whatever's going to come there as far as design? I don't know. I'm throwing, you know, quality.

10:30:40Speaker 32

That's what they've already committed to it. OK. Be part of the agreement. OK.

10:30:43 – 10:33:25Speaker 16

I think one of the things that I was speaking to Mandy right now is we can put in safeguards that would allow her to move forward with the others. But Dewey Street in the contract would be kind of like isolated, where if certain things aren't met, it would not go through the process just to protect us, to make sure that the neighborhood association understands that their feedback is going to be considered. I do want to say this, though, and I think That decision would actually make sense, for us to move forward with the others and put in safeguards for Dewey Street, because we want to make sure we respect that neighborhood. But I do want to say this. I am more than willing, in my capacity, to go to those communities and educate them, because I think there was some misinformation. The emails that I saw, 120%, that is not the case with these. That is far from the case with these properties. There is a federal deed restriction on these properties that clearly states the maximum income on these properties has to be 80%. Or you could do a land swap. But you're not going to find many developers who are going to give you a land swap for 80% de-restricted properties. Now, the reason why we're able to get away with it, there's nothing on them right now. They're vacant. The minute the city decides to do something with these properties, you're going to have to adhere to that deed restriction. So it's one of these things where We may not do it now. I think we should treat this with kid gloves. Work with those two homeowners associations. I would be willing to sit with them and explain, show them the resolution, show them the deed restrictions, show them all the things they need to see so they have a better understanding of what we're dealing with so that we can get to a point where one day those Dewey Street properties can turn to something. And Mandy's more than willing to do that too as well with me. We'll do it together. But I think right now it's important that as this body makes a decision, we do what's in the best interest of the city of Hollywood when it comes to housing. Right now there's a need for housing, especially purchase, number one. That was my express focus when we started. Our team's express focus when we started putting this together. Commissioner Biederman always says it. We need to get people to purchase. We do a lot of rentals. It's a great way for us to diversify our affordable housing, our workforce housing catalog. Now we're introducing purchasing housing right now. Dewey Street has been on our books for a long time. And I get it. The community there, I understand where they're coming from. They've been told things and there's things going on there. So there's a sentiment that we need to make sure that we get their buy-in to move forward. And I think We have the right partners at the table to work with those two associations, even if we pull it out and we carve it out to a degree so that there are safeguards that are made that ensures before we can move forward with it. But I think we do need to have those conversations. And I'm more than willing to have those conversations with Bandy, with those two associations.

10:33:25Speaker 32

So I do agree with what the commissioner wants to do. Thank you.

10:33:28Speaker 47

I'm happy to revise the motion, if that works.

10:33:33Speaker 32

The rest of us speak first. Go ahead, Carol.

10:33:38 – 10:34:04Speaker 47

I'm happy to revise my motion to reflect the commitment that you just made, that the Dewey Street properties will be part of the deal. But because they're rentals, they'll be treated separately. And before you move forward any further, you and Mandy will meet with the two civic associations, probably better separately in light of what Commissioner Hernandez is describing of their relationship. And so that's my motion.

10:34:05Speaker 32

All right, how about a second? OK. We have a new motion on the floor. Let's go to the queue. Commissioners Biederman, Vice Mayor Coleri, and Quintana. Commissioner Biederman?

10:34:14 – 10:34:27Speaker 34

I really don't understand the motion, but I'm going to go with my questions anyway. Ryan, why can't the Dewey Street property be condos? with first-time homebuyer money behind it?

10:34:27 – 10:34:48Speaker 16

That's a good question, Commissioner. They could, but we would be providing tremendous subsidies to get them to be able to afford it. Now, if we could work something out with the land trust and make them condos, we can explore these options. And I think this motion that we're talking about right now allows us to explore those options. But we'd have to really build in a unique finance mechanism to make it work. But that could be done.

10:34:53Speaker 34

I have the time now. Thank you.

10:34:55 – 10:35:52Speaker 39

So we're willing to explore it. So we are willing to explore it. I can share, if you've seen the property, it's right along the Dixie corridor. There's a bunch of businesses and commercial directly on the railroad. Then the next lot over is this vacant lot. It's about a third of an acre, so it's not very large. And on it right now, it's basically an unmaintained parking lot. There's a bunch of cars parked there, trash. There's not a lot. But this could really be a great transition into the rest of the residential neighborhood from that commercial and Dixie corridor. I'm willing to explore it, see if the numbers work. I know condominiums are particularly tough right now to sell, as well as to make the numbers and the financing work. But if there was additional subsidies where we could get the price down low enough, we could certainly look at it. It's just tougher economically.

10:35:53 – 10:36:53Speaker 34

So you, I'm not a builder, so it's hard for me to say you could do this or you could do that. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert. But if we were to take $150,000 a unit out of our first time home buyer program, that would drop the sale price. It wouldn't even be a sale price. It would be a second mortgage without having to pay it back till it gets sold. But it would allow for a reduced mortgage payment for somebody that is 80% AMI. And it would have the pride of home ownership. It would have multi-generational wealth attached to it. And it would give the community the reassurance that it is home ownership and not government housing, for lack of a better term.

10:36:53 – 10:37:18Speaker 39

Yeah. And I'm absolutely willing to explore it and see if the economics work. And if they do, that is a viable option. I just can't commit to that today without having run the pro forma on that. But we can explore it during this process and see if we can make it happen. And it might just be dependent on the amount of subsidy to make it work.

10:37:19 – 10:37:54Speaker 50

Commission, why don't we do this? If we just take those two lots out of this, approve the purchase and sale agreement, which is in draft form here for the other properties, we will bring back a separate purchase and sale agreement for these properties after they've met with the neighbors and incorporated the neighborhood feedback. Okay, so I think that... OK. Well, for some reason, I'm not sure that it was entirely clear. So now that it is, is that acceptable? Is that essentially what you were making a motion on?

10:37:54Speaker 34

Can I finish speaking, please, city manager?

10:37:58Speaker 32

Go ahead, Kevin.

10:37:59 – 10:38:39Speaker 34

Thank you. I think this is, I apologize. I mean, with all due respect. I think this is one of those unintended consequences of the cone of silence that we've experienced on some other issues. And I think this is the most blatant, obvious example. Once we complete this deal, whether it's the four units or the six units, whatever the case may be, all partial, whatever, do we still maintain some kind of a deed restriction on these parcels to enforce the South Florida Land Trust to adhere to what our

10:38:40 – 10:39:09Speaker 16

bargain basement price was? That's the beauty of having a partnership like this because they build in those mechanisms to protect that property to make sure it's affordable in workforce and perpetuity. So somebody may purchase one of the homes and let's say five years down the road they want to move to something bigger. And there's a small equity share, if I'm not mistaken, right? And they can sell. They have that partnership with the land trust where there's that restriction, if I'm not mistaken, or deed restriction on it where it has to be sold back to somebody that's within that criteria, that up to 120%.

10:39:09Speaker 34

You're getting ahead of my questions. Oh, I'm sorry. But who has that deed restriction? We do or they do? The land trust does. So what assurance do we have that they're going to maintain that?

10:39:20 – 10:39:37Speaker 39

So the legal mechanism that we use is a ground lease. And it's actually the strongest legal mechanism to protect affordability because we are a co-owner in the land. And then we do have a restriction on the resale. And then the added benefit is we do the compliance so the city doesn't have to manage it.

10:39:38Speaker 34

So how long is a land lease for?

10:39:40 – 10:40:04Speaker 39

It's 99 years recurring. So every new buyer gets a new 99 years, which is why you hear people talk about community land trusts being affordable forever. Now, at the city's discretion, oftentimes if there's a second mortgage or additional financial assistance on a property, we do have, at times, the city or the county also record a restrictive covenant. It's redundant, but again, that's an option that the city could do as well.

10:40:09Speaker 34

Can I finish my questions?

10:40:12Speaker 34

Do I stop you? OK, so can you touch base on the equity share? Because that was my next question.

10:40:22 – 10:41:14Speaker 39

Yeah, absolutely. So one of the ways that we keep things affordable is that there is a restricted price that they can resell it. And this is common any time that there is a restrictive covenant on a property. And in our particular formula, our homebuyers get 10% of the increase in value. And what we teach them in our home buyer classes, because we do specific home buyer classes, not just traditional ones, but specifically on the land trust model, is that they get the opportunity to pay it forward. They didn't buy it at market rate. They don't sell it at market rate. But rather, they get 10% of the market appreciation, plus their additional savings. And we're finding a lot of our homes that we sell are about half the price of the market, meaning that they have 50% of their monthly savings in their pocket, in addition to everything they've paid down in principal. in addition to that 10% of the market increase when they actually do sell a home.

10:41:14 – 10:41:25Speaker 34

So they don't get a percentage of the equity. They just get 10% of the increase in value from when they bought it? And who gets the other 90%?

10:41:25Speaker 39

Yeah, they call it an equity sharing model is the terminology you often hear.

10:41:30Speaker 36

But we don't take the 90%.

10:41:32 – 10:42:29Speaker 39

What actually happens is the 90% of what would have been increased just stays in the value of the home. So the home is a- For the buyer. Right. So let's say the original purchase price was $300,000. And it increases by $100,000. they would then sell the next home at $310,000, meaning that it's still in the price range of that same income buyer. Just giving you rough numbers, that doesn't . And it's not based on how long they've been there? It's just 10%? Ours is not. Ours is 10% of the market appreciation. Now, one would assume the longer they've been there, the market may have gone up more. And then they would have paid down more in their principal. So their actual equity is the difference between what the property can sell for and what their debt is. So it might be a little bigger because they've paid down their debt, plus they have a little bit of market appreciation. But they're restricted on how much they could sell it for. It's not about what the market rate is. It's only 10% of what they voted for.

10:42:29Speaker 34

So if they're there for 20 years and the value doubles, they could only sell it for 10% more also?

10:42:36 – 10:42:53Speaker 39

Sorry, let me correct. It's not 10% more than they bought it for. If it increased from $300,000 to $400,000, it increased by $100,000. So instead of selling it for $100,000 more than they bought it for, they can only sell it for 10% of the $100,000. So they can sell it for $310,000. Now, if it went up to $500,000, the difference is $200,000, and they can sell it for 10% more than that or $20,000 more.

10:43:06 – 10:43:24Speaker 34

That's a bargain. But when I asked about the equity share, I was thinking that the equity share would be split between the seller, the buyer, South Florida Land Trust, and the city of Hollywood.

10:43:25Speaker 39

I would love it if I got a portion of that. But again, this is the model that we use to keep it affordable. Otherwise, we'd be selling it at market rate in order for us to all get a cut.

10:43:36Speaker 34

Okay. That makes sense. And what's the timeline on getting these built in your formula?

10:43:43Speaker 39

Sure. So we're expecting construction to be about nine months. The unpredictable, because I haven't worked in the city before, is how quickly we'll get through permitting.

10:43:52Speaker 34

Oh, we fast track.

10:43:53 – 10:44:10Speaker 39

I love it. I love it. So that will definitely be helpful. And again, depending on the design, if we have a similar model throughout, maybe some different facade treatments or modifications, that will actually help as well make things easier.

10:44:11 – 10:44:22Speaker 34

And Rob, I agree. I've been after the city attorney to foreclose on properties in District 5 so that we can turn those into affordable housing. I would love to have more first-time home buyers.

10:44:22Speaker 8

As soon as we have foreclosure money, I'd love to do it.

10:44:26Speaker 32

Mandy, what does it cost you to build a single-time home? I'm done. Average?

10:44:31 – 10:45:01Speaker 39

So we were estimating in our budget. We did apply last year, so we would have to refresh those numbers. But I think it's been pretty similar since we put it together. We're estimating it's going to cost us about $385,000 to build these homes. The target buyers that we're looking at. How many square feet? It's a range. I think the proposal was around between 1,200 and 1,400 square feet, I think, were the different models. And there were three-bedroom, two-bathrooms that we were proposing.

10:45:02 – 10:45:23Speaker 25

OK. Commissioner Hernandez. Thank you. I'd like to make an amendment that we actually pull these two lots out of the sale agreement and bring it back. I've spoken with the city manager and with Ryan, and they both feel OK with something like this. Thank you.

10:45:24Speaker 32

Commissioner Shuham? Oh, no.

10:45:28Speaker 32

All right. So where are we? on the amendment to draw lots, is that?

10:45:34Speaker 50

So I think that you might need a new, or the maker of the motions may need to accept the, no?

10:45:43Speaker 25

Sorry, Peter, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah. The amendment is on its own and it takes priority over the motion, so we're voting on the amendment right now so we can pull those two lots.

10:45:55Speaker 32

To remove those two lots from the motion?

10:45:57Speaker 25

Correct. Dewey Street? Dewey Street, yes. Then bring it back.

10:46:00 – 10:46:12Speaker 32

OK. All those in favor of the amendment, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, and now the main motion as amended is for the remainder of the lots to move ahead with the purchase and sale agreement as described in the agenda.

10:46:14Speaker 32

All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, done.

10:46:22Speaker 25

We drew those, too, so it doesn't. Yes, the Dewey. They can talk about it. The Dewey Street, correct.

10:46:26Speaker 8

The Dewey Street properties would remain under the cone because until there's an action that ends the solicitation process, they must remain under the cone.

10:46:36Speaker 25

That's correct. Correct. Which it was the idea of what we were.

10:46:40 – 10:47:24Speaker 32

All right. item 49 is resolution the city commission city of hollywood adopting the annual action plan projected use of funds for federal program years 26 and 27 recognizing the allocation of 1.3 million in change and estimated program income of 78 000 and change in community development block grant cdbg funds and the allocation of 534 thousand dollars in change and estimated program income of 192 thousand dollars in change in home investment partnership program home funds to be included as part of the city's fiscal year 2027 operating budget. This is advertised as a public hearing and conforms to state statutes and city codes. I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing. Are there any speaker cards on 49? Mayor, real quick. The public hearing is now closed.

10:47:24Speaker 34

For clarification purposes, question to the city attorney. Can I stay here and vote on this?

10:47:30Speaker 8

Yes, it is my understanding that your wife's position is paid for under a different funding mechanism.

10:47:36 – 10:48:08Speaker 32

Thank you. All right. Is there a motion on this item? We have a motion and a second from Commissioner Shuham. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, item carries unanimously. I believe that concludes our agenda aside from comments, Pat. All right. Rock and roll, baby. Let's go to Commissioner Gruber for any comments tonight. I had a bunch of comments, but I'm going to pass. Commissioner Biederman.

10:48:09 – 10:48:21Speaker 34

I already did mine. Thank you. Thank you to, Vin's not here anymore, but thank you for the presentation at Commission and Community. Thank you for everybody that came out to Commission and Community. And thank you for all the staff that put a lot of time into Commission and Community.

10:48:22Speaker 32

Commissioner Quintana.

10:48:24 – 10:49:53Speaker 7

Thank you, Mayor. I'll be very quick. Just to clarify the questions that came up twice today. The county owns the three residential drop-off centers, including the one that's at 56 and Hallandale Beach Boulevard, and then including the one in West Park, not privatized. None of those are. And then to also, I want to take Rob's advice, and I can't wait to talk to Mandy to learn more about the land trust and how it might be providing opportunities for young families and for families that have been here for a long time in Hollywood and can't afford to buy and want to or don't want to be displaced. I can't wait to talk to her. The third thing is just to invite everybody. We have an amazing young woman, or young girl. She's 12 years old. She's the Future Chef of Florida winner. And she wrote a cookbook. And she's coming to share her cookbook at Storytime in the Park on Friday at Washington Park. I'm sure nobody's watching this anymore, but maybe somebody will watch the recording between now and Friday and want to come. I think she's an inspiration to both young people and those of us adults, and I'm so excited that she's going to do this with us. And that's it. Thank you.

10:49:53Speaker 32

Thank you. Commissioner Shuham.

10:49:56 – 10:51:28Speaker 47

Thank you, Mayor. Just a reminder that Saturday, July 11, is Hollywood Brown Day. For all of those families that are out there watching us right now, please bring your kids over to the PAL field for that. I just had mentioned in our one-on-ones, I wanted to get an update on the historic designation marker for the Broadwalk. And I had sent Adam a picture from, I think, Polk County, where they were putting signs all over the great things that cities do and say, this is paid for by your property taxes. So I would love to see that on our police cars, our parks, our fire trucks, everything. So we are just educating, not advocating, but people have no idea what our property taxes are. And regarding the sargassum, I know we're getting a lot of... calls and emails from residents. And Chris Rorschach is working with the county in collaboration. We're hearing about what's happening in Mexico, that they're preventing the sargassum from coming on shores. It's literally sections of Mexico The Navy is out in the ocean trying to do it. So I've asked Chris and this consortium of counties to see if there's any room for the federal government or state government to come in and help us. Lastly, just want everyone to enjoy their break. And that's it.

10:51:30Speaker 32

Thank you. Thank you. Let's go to Vice Mayor Kaleri for any comments. She waves. Let's go to Commissioner Hernandez.

10:51:38 – 10:51:57Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. I had a lot of things that I wanted to talk about. But just so that Commissioner Gruber, he actually predicted that we would finish at midnight. And he's about four minutes off. So I think you won that. Yeah, me too. I'll pass. Everyone have a happy Sunday.

10:51:58 – 10:53:19Speaker 32

I'll just bring up one item for support to look into. So there's a fellow who wants to build a soccer an urban soccer opportunity on some parking lots on Polk Street downtown. And one of his components is a storage container, I think like a, let's just call it the, no, for like the office, so to speak, out of a container. And I believe our code requires a special exception for storage containers, so that adds to the process. But besides that, There have been situations over the past number of months where shopping centers have storage containers in the back for, I guess, additional storage, obviously. And some have gotten code violations. And then I drive through other bigger shopping centers. Some of them have storage containers in the back, probably with no code violations. So I don't know what our code says in terms of storage containers that are not visible from the right of way. I think there's a distinction. Is it visible or not visible from the right of way? What I'd like to do is have support for staff to look into that ordinance and see if it needs some modernization, considering all the different storage container services that are out there, mobile mini and all these different things. And it could be that our ordinance is just not with the times. All right. So we have support to look into that. Thank you. All right. Let's get into city attorney. Any comments?

10:53:19Speaker 8

No. I have a great reason.

10:53:21Speaker 32

Thank you. City Manager, how about some additional business to finish up?

10:53:25 – 10:55:02Speaker 50

Yes. Unfortunately, I really wish I could be saying goodnight to all of you right now, but I do need to just bring up an item and ask for authorization to negotiate an agreement. FOR ACCESS. WE HAD SPOKEN WITH ALL OF YOU IN EXECUTIVE SESSION OVER A PROPERTY THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A LARGE GENERATOR FOR A PUMP STATION AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN EASEMENT BUT IT IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH AND SO WE NEED TO USE SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY. We have been having negotiations, and normally we would speak about this in an executive session. Unfortunately, we do not have time for an executive session before the next round of court dates in this particular case come up. And so we've spoken with each of you about it. I've briefed you each with an email. And I believe that we could gain access for the placement of the generator that we have the grant for and then move on in the future for a longer-term agreement. But it would require us to sort of bifurcate the settlement opportunity right now. So that's what I'm asking for authorization for. And I am hoping that I can...

10:55:02Speaker 32

So we need five seconds to authorize Commissioner Shuham.

10:55:08Speaker 47

So Raelynn, I'll make a motion to approve, but what exactly do you need the wording of that motion to be?

10:55:15 – 10:55:36Speaker 50

Just authorization to authorize the city manager to negotiate a settlement agreement allowing for access for the placement of the generator and an amount up to the amount being discussed in the settlement. Prior amount. Motion to approve.

10:55:38Speaker 32

I have a motion, a second, and a third. Commissioner Hernandez?

10:55:40 – 10:56:10Speaker 25

Thank you, Mayor. The only concern I have, and I share with the city manager, is the fact that we're paying a large amount of money for a few days access to be able to do something, and it doesn't resolve the issue in the long run in order to continue to have the access to this. And so I really, I get where we're going, but I just cannot support something like this at the price that we're paying for just a few days access without being able to have a resolution for the larger problem.

10:56:11Speaker 8

I would just also like to mention that we would need that resolution to also authorize dismissal of the lawsuit. And that's why I'm not willing to do that.

10:56:20Speaker 32

All right. All those in favor of the motion to resolve the matter as stated?

10:56:27Speaker 51

As stated with?

10:56:28Speaker 32

As stated with the city manager and the city attorney. Right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Opposed? Motion carries six to one.

10:56:37Speaker 40

Can you put that on the settlement, please, from Commissioner Shuham on the mic so that we have it?

10:56:44Speaker 32

The city manager just iterated it, and the city attorney added something. So I'll just watch the rest.

10:56:48Speaker 47

So the motion was to give Raelynn the authorization that she needed, which would include settlement of the litigation.

10:56:59Speaker 32

Anything else, Rylan?

10:57:01 – 10:57:33Speaker 50

No. Well, that is the main thing. And then finally, I just want to let everyone know we are going to be putting out some information regarding the official launch of Acela Phase 2 that will be taking place during the commission recess. We're excited to bring Acela Phase 2 to our building permitting system And, of course, as you all know, our second World Cup watch party for downtown Hollywood will be on July 19th.

10:57:34Speaker 32

All right, everyone. There being no further business before us, this meeting is adjourned. See you in August.

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