Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Are we ready? This only says 58 though. Start early. We're live. Okay. I call the uh planning commission meeting for the village of Holly for September 24th, 2025 um to order. Uh let's please stand for the pledge.

I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisibley andice for all. And then roll call please. here.

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um I would like a motion to excuse Okansky, Kascala, and Christian. I'll second. I'll make You'll make the motion people. Okay, I'll second motion and second uh to excuse Okansky, Costco, and Christian. Um, all in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries. And next is approval of the agenda. I'd look for a motion to approve the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. I will second that.

Motion and second to approve the agenda as presented. Uh, all in favor say I. I opposed. Motion carries. Next is approval of the minutes from the August 27th, 2025 meeting. I'll make a motion to approve those. Motion to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and second to approve the minutes. Uh all in favor say I. I. I. Opposed? And motion carries. Um, I would like a volunteer to read the statement of purpose, please.

I'll do it. The mission of the Holly Village government is to enhance our community's quality of life. Our organization strives for quality services, responsive action to citizen requests, and a cost-effective government. We promote citizen participation, proactive decision making, and environmental quality. Most most importantly, we shall always serve the citizens of Holly. The village of Holly will be a prestigious historical village that is a green res residential oasis from the city and the center of com commerce and activity for the region. Thank you. Uh next up is public comment. Members of the public can address the commission once recognized by the chairperson. Comments are limited to a maximum of four minutes. Commission may extend this time by up to an additional four minutes by a majority vote. For items on the agenda, comments may be made after commission discussion prior to commission vote. Prior to addressing the commission, members of the public shall state their name and address for the record. Is there any discussion from the public

commissioner? Non-aggenda items. Commissioner Kimman. Uh I just I'll start out just real quick. Um so Josephine, one of our commissioners, she has uh indicated to the village president that she is going to resign her position. Um Josephine, how long have you been with the commission? You've been I looked I don't remember. I went back in the minutes and I was in the minutes in 18 one of the meetings that I just pulled up on, you know, the website. I didn't go farther back. It sounds about Yeah, sounds about right. She has served a few years. She has served u you know also on the zoning board of appeals.

That's where I started. I don't I don't remember when I got on planning. It hasn't been as long. I know that but just I don't know. So through those conversations with uh with the village president um she kind of expressed hey if we have if we found a good candidate that you know that meets criteria that is passionate to do this that you know she would be interested in resigning and so from that both president and I have done interviews with different candidates and today we have Blake here with us um and if you want to you can go ahead and go up and introduce yourself if you would like

and so I didn't be Yeah. And so, um, so, uh, you know, if council accepts the resignation, another thing that would be on the agenda is also the appointment of Blake. And so, um, if you can, if you want to go up to Mike, just introduce yourself, tell them a little bit about yourself. If you don't mind, put you on the spot. And I didn't get your name.

Yeah. Is it already on? Oh, yeah. Hey, so uh, I'm Blake Hero. Um, I live at uh, 301 East Sherman Street here in Holly. um just around the corner. Um I'm an engineer by trade. Um kind of a geek for I don't know all things construction, zoning, that sort of stuff. Um I work at a utility company now. Um so I'm in construction and I was kind of looking for somewhere I could help out in the village and this seemed appropriate with my skill set. So I figured I'd throw my hat in the ring and see if I could help. welcome and I appreciate it. Thank you. Any questions or All right. So, thank you.

And I just wanted to thank Josephine for all of your your the service that you've done for the community and you know Oh, thank you. your years. I'll still serve on DBA if you need me to. If you got somebody else for lined up for that too, just let me know before the next meeting that never happens. I don't know. But these these Yeah, these ones are just Thank you. Well, thank you for your time.

Yelcome. I wish I could I keep doing it. I just, like I said, I I leave here after and I feel so bad because I just don't feel as enthusiastic as you guys all sound. I just can't do it. Very good. Well, thank you. So, you know, Blake, that you will have to be one of the people that reads that paragraph. Because it's either Lori, no one told me how to read. It's either It's one of these two that have typically chosen. And I watched them make eyes today. And you want this one?

And she kind of just nodded and said, "It's your turn." I knew this was going to be her last night, so I have There you go. There you go. It totally There you go. Very good. Usually I look up a couple times during, you know, you're supposed to make high tank when you're speaking. I'm not a great public speaker. You give good input, though. Yes. So, do we have to make some kind of official motion or something?

No. The process is that she had to submit a written document. I know that she's spoken to the village president. She had to submit the written documents which she's given me um to the clerk. That's part of our our charter that you know that's part of the official resation and that's occurred. Um and so the the uh village council has to accept the resignation first and then once they accept it they might say no you're still going to serve but you know usually doesn't happen. I'll find it. I know a couple of them. So, yes, it it happens on the council level, not on our level. Okay. So, let's get this meeting on the road because I don't want to be here all night still. Yep. Um ever.

First item in old business is discussion of the CIP project or process. Yeah. Yeah. And so I know that at the last meeting I had said that, you know, we're going to make every effort in order to continue it and we've not really had much progress on it just because everything else is piled on. Still hoping to give you guys a good update on that, but really there's honestly been no significant work in order to bring it to you yet. Just still trying to plug away at it. Very good. Long as it's sounding like we're moving forward is the key

because I think as long as you have been on, you know, I know long as I've been on, this has been one of our discussions is to get this happening because there are other things like the RRC that um we are um missing out on without that component. So, thank you. Um next then is discussion of the short-term rentals.

Uh Mr. Chair, I'd like to He's filling in for Amy this evening and he will give us a quick synopsis of the memorandum that you find in your packet uh discussing the hot topic points that you brought up at last month's meeting. So I turn it over to you.

Thank you sir. Uh it is a pleasure to be here with you tonight. Um as Jeremy mentioned I am pinch hitting for Amy who had a scheduling conflict this evening. So uh I have been thoroughly prepped. I do have uh plenty of experience in this topic as I've been a part of multiple short-term rental ordinance uh writing uh scenarios for several communities out in Colorado. I I spent some time employed out in Colorado, so I do have some familiarity with the topic. But again, um, we do have a memo in your packet that, uh, explains where we are since the meeting, uh, that was held on August 27th. There are some bullet points here, um, that discuss what happened and what we are proposing uh, based on that conversation at that meeting back in August. So, the first bullet is that the short-term rentals have been reclassified as a business use. The uses being uh removed from the zoning ordinance and placed in the business regulations uh section of the village code uh aligning them with other business activities uh within the village itself. Uh there is language uh drafted that implements an annual licensing process that will be administered through the the village clerk's office. These essentially are the current uh short-term rental regulations that are in the zoning ordinance, but we've we've taken them and put them in um this annual licensing process through the clerk's office. Um so that language is drafted here. Uh there is a limit uh total number of licenses issued. Uh the proposed ordinance is setting that cap at 50

short-term rental licenses per calendar year. In the discussions and in talking with staff um there's there's indication that there might be 30 plus now. So if we set it at like you know 38 or 40 we risk you know creating nonconformities if we have more than that. So we went to 50 that can be discussed and amended. If that's still too low or we feel it's about right then that's how we can move forward. The consideration of the minimum separation requirements. There was a 500 foot separation requirement discussed. Uh again uh in discussions with with the village staff and the current staffing levels uh it was felt that this may be you know something that the current staff has a hard time getting a handle on and then you get into the situation where where are you measuring that from? Are you measuring it from lot corners? Are you measuring it along the street? So it it can get cumbersome uh in doing that. So, we did not include that in our draft regulations uh that you have before you tonight. The language prohibits recreational vehicles and tents on rental properties to explicitly prohibit uh tents and campers for the short-term rental site uh uses. The short-term rentals are removed from the special land use category and designated as permitted uses in the R um R1A I believe is

the residential districts and then the central business district um are the C are the zoning classifications where that's now a permitted use so long as all of the criteria are met with the business licensing criteria that are are still in here as well. Uh there are standards violations and license revocation incorporated into the draft business regulations. And the draft before you also includes a requirement for license numbers to be displayed on all rental listings uh that have issued uh licensing permits. Um so our discussion tonight um is to discuss the the changes based on the comments we received at the prior meeting. And I can take those notes that you might have and If you have changes, I'm happy to take them back and the team can look at them again and provide you another draft. Or if we're at the point this evening where we're comfortable, we can, you know, set the public hearing for either the October or November meeting, however you all wish to proceed. Um, I'm here to help you through that process. I'm happy to answer any questions at this time. Thank you for your explanation here and going through that with us. Welcome.

Sure. Thank you.

Uh I have a couple questions. I'm looking at the document uh title 11 business regulations. So under section 2 subsection L which reviews the local agent is primary contact on file within the village. The way it reads is that the local agent shall live or maintain a physical place of business within 15 miles of the dwelling unit. I would like to know as an expert if that is based on what you've seen in other communities if that is something that is reasonable or is conservative. Like I it just seems like 15 miles is a pretty generous

I agree. I thought so. You think it's generous? I think it's very far. I think just the opposite. If I'm in Holly and I drive to my brother's house in the city, 11. It's 11. It's 11. It's 11 cuz I go over there all the time. That's another going with the new fourway stop. Actually, it's a eightway stop. But that is the point. It's the time, not the distance.

I think that that's that and Cherylyn, that's what I'm thinking, too, is that if I know a lot of discussion during our last meeting was about resolving issues as they occur with the short-term rentals concerns and thinks that 15 miles is is a good amount of distance, you know, for resolving those concerns for the community. Because I'm just trying to think of not only the owners of the short-term rental, but I'm thinking about the community, the neighbors, and so forth that will be dealing with these individuals, the the short-term renters of these properties as they're in the area. So, is and that's why I'm asking for your expert opinion. Wait, is miles reasonable.

There are regulations often in short-term rental uh ordinances with this type of stipulation. It's all about safety, right? So, you want to make sure that, you know, if a if a homeowner that's using this as a short-term rental is on vacation in Europe or something that the village has a way to contact somebody that's responsible for, you know, the safety, the response to that property in in a timely fashion. Um 15 miles, um you know, it's a comfort level really with with the village as to how close or how far. I think 15 miles is fair. Um I just want to caution that what if what if the management company for the for the short-term rental is 20 miles away? you know, you you might run into some of those scenarios where um you might deny the rental permit application, and that's perfectly fine if that's the criteria. That's the criteria. But I think 15 miles is fair. Um

our current B&B owner's grandfather, we have a guy that we just approved in December. He lives in Las Vegas, but his sister is here. I know she's local. I don't know. Well, I don't think she's in Holly, but I think she's very close. She was Oh, so she's gonna be Yeah, she's going to be over 15 miles. So, would he lose? Does he get grandfathered in or do we like Sorry.

We asked Amy that specific question when uh when we were meeting with her, Chief WS and I met with her. We discussed all these things before and my understanding is that they don't like this is a business So since it's an annual requirement, they wouldn't get grandfathered in. It would be a Yeah, they would. It's not a zoning thing. It's a requirement under a business.

You know, it's important that you have those contact information on your license when you approve it. So, so fire, police, everybody knows who that contact is. To me it just seems a little a little wrong that within a year of us approving this he was a great gentleman. I mean he has an elderly mother that's in the area. He comes here to check on her. So within a year we're going to go through and he was here several times to get through the process. So within a year later and say yeah sorry we changed the regulations and you can't do this anymore.

So right it's as Mr. price indicated it's not a zoning regulation anymore. So they they would not lose that or gain that you know in terms of if they're operating already today.

So here's the contradiction to that or rebuttal to that argument. So there's a lot of private equity investment going into Airbnbs and flight products, right? So by saying that someone has to be within a c of the area also protects the community and what we're going to be having for that. Whereas if we say that somebody's coming in and let's say the private private equity company is in Las Vegas or in California and they decide that Holly is a place where is you know high I mean we have a lot of wedding traffic that comes in here right so they could say let's just buy up a bunch of houses within the village. This would make sure that if it the limitation would make sure that that stays local versus having it be private equity coming in and doing what could end up being something that continues to compile depending. I mean, yeah, the gentleman's nice, but I guess that's what we have to weigh. local he was from college,

right? But but there's management companies and it's a cost of doing business. If he wants to do it, the rules have changed and this is cost business. That's just the way it is. If he wants to move his closer, he could do that. Well, it was his sister and she I think at the very least we should be able to have exceptions. If it is a guy like this scenario,

yeah, he's been here. He's have great reputation. His sister's local. If it is an obvious management company, you should have the right to say yeah, no, it shouldn't it shouldn't be sorry, whatever hoops you come for, if you're a local person, doesn't matter versus we're going to treat a local person from Holly just like anybody else. Sure. I think we should have the ability to to have some wiggle room. We understand you are 15.5 miles out. We should be able to give you an exception. I'm think Did we have a distance in the old one?

That is coming right out of the old one. That 15 miles is is from the old one. Okay. Um so that would I think that would take in White Lake. And I I think that's maybe a clarification that needs to be made. Are we you know Sure. When the when he comes back for his relication and this is a new rule, wouldn't it be between him and the clerk to determine

That is correct. This is pulling this away from the planning commission. This no longer a zoning uh consideration. This is now a you know village council, village manager, village And that's and that's kind of what we're looking at it with. That's what we discussed in the last one. So it no longer be a consideration. It would be they would be applying for the business license from the village. And then if it comes to is it mileage 15 miles or is it as profer and well and I will say that my thought on that would be it says shall be shall be within 15 miles

and like We're trying to move away from always having back doors, always having exceptions for things. Yeah, obviously there are considerations, but that's a council decision that we need to make like they have to make that decision to go against our one more question. So on section six for the bot section six subsection A And I know that we had spoken about this for our last meeting about the civil infraction to make sure that these standards are upheld once they're implemented. But I don't see that provision in any of the other documents that were supplied like the other ordinances for central business district, single family residential districts, moderate density residential districts. So should that also be applied in violations for those? Like for instance, if it's a business that somebody's operating illegally out of their garage, shouldn't that be applied or something? I I don't know if that's in here elsewhere.

So usually how how it is is at the end of the I'd have to look at the chapter of 118. It's usually 118.99 or 999 are penalties and then it lists all the things that are all the penalties for municipal civil infractions. So I' actually have to pull up the charter to look at what uh where it's sitting in that and a lot of times it would not be listed within the document unless it is a specific thing that is only applicable to this business. Yeah. for this license. I can look to see if that's so kind of these um like the district's information um refers to or hinges upon the um the business regulations. So I don't think I think it becomes redundancy is what it is to put it into both things.

Okay. As long as the one refers to the other then everything in the business regulation applies to that. Okay. No. That is correct. Yeah. Okay. That's all I have. Sure.

Okay. Under the section two conditions of license issuance B, it says that the short-term rental must be operated entirely within the principal dwelling. We actually have an apartment over a garage on Happy Street. It's been there forever. Um, so this could never be a shortterm. Correct. According to this language, that would qualify. Okay. All right. Um, then can I ask a question about that property though then to kind of maybe get clarification, figure out where um where it may be gray.

Okay. Um, is that listed as a multi-resident piece of property? It's an apartment that was put in probably 20 or 25 years ago above the garage for grandpa and then was teenager young place. I think it's the wife's place to hang out. Um, but it's just always been. And so I guess in my old age, if I was there, I'd be looking at some money off

that's kind of what I'm asking is the land is that piece of property is not zoned for multi-family use. So that The garage should never be occupied as a residence. It can only be like a she-shed kind of thing or something. Um, as the way that really gets interpreted well just if I see it listed in Airbnb, you know, it's really shouldn't be there. So, because that is part of our rules.

All right. I want to go on to the electronic on the premises that we're supposed to sign a guest register and I believe we talked about this in a previous meeting. Um I don't sign the guest registers when I go to Airbnbs. They got my information electronically

which section is all operations shall maintain a maintain on the premises a and is subject to inspection. But so, uh, guest register, I can clear that up a little bit. If it is electronic, we we honor that as well. Okay. But it doesn't have to be a book that they sign. Uh, guest registry under my interpretation would be electronic or paper.

Okay. Can we clear that out? Because I would hate to have the owner say, "Oh, geez, you know, my guests aren't signing and I don't want to get in trouble because the rules We will add that a little clear and then I want to go down to O the fire extinguishers and that they have to be inspected every six months. You got the manpower for that Jeremy. It's just the same inspection. Every six months. So short-term rentals are inspected every six months. That is just another check box on our inspection form that we're verifying. Okay. Um and then Q smoke detectors interconnected. old houses, they have to do it.

So now they have Google ones uh that don't need to be wired that are still interconnected. Okay. They're Bluetooth uh Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi. All right. Um I can speak to that maybe just a second because that was that was a major almost a whole meeting discussion when we first wrote these. Okay. was that um you could have, you know, like the house across the street is across the way here is three floors and a basement, right?

And something could happen in the basement. And so an apartment or an occupied space on the second or third floor is never going to hear that smoke detector go off. And the newer technology things, you know, they they just communicate with one another. There's no wiring necessary in my house. Yes. So I didn't know the technology was available to talk to each other. Yeah.

Okay. Notice of license D. The license holder shall provide a record to the village indicating what websites, newspapers, magazines or other media for advertisements. Um that's kind of cumbersome and I don't know how far you want to go like social media, Facebook, uh you know, day trips in Michigan. Here, come to my Airbnb. You could go crazy trying to chase those down. So, I guess I'm not sure the purpose. I like that because they give you a list of 50. Well, I don't like that one.

Okay, then you don't. So, what's the point? Or somebody does a TikTok. Hey, I stayed at this Airbnb in you. Oh, and here's the connection. And I mean, you could just go on forever. So, I'm not sure why it's there.

Yeah. Is the intent of that for not necessarily where it's advertised, but where they can actually rent from like if they are both on Airbnb or is that what the intent I guess for that? Maybe that's how it should be where it's where it is listed for rent. That way we can know if we go to VBO or if we get to go to Airbnb that we can see um you know that that they should have their business number, their business license on there and all of that,

right? And you know it's just another matter of keeping a database for the village as to, you know, the type of advertising that's out there. And if you, you know, were to ever have free time and wanted to research a property and you can look on these different websites, you'll have that the websites that are typically used already. So you're not might lessen the search. Um but yeah, it's more of a a recordeping, you know,formational bit for the village to have. I see just

I guess I could see the platforms that you're renting on makes more sense. But you know, I used to get a Rotary magazine and I could rent Airbnb through a rotary connection. So I mean it just goes on and on. the way this is worded and again if I'm conscientious and trying to follow the rules if you're doing any third party marketing I want little value pack I'm advertising for them now they may take it and put it on any of their platform

yeah I can see if you were going with a traditional Airbnb VBO an established Are you listed on Airbnb or if yes, great. If no, okay, because you're doing a if you're not using a traditional platform, then you're obviously probably doing it yourself. It goes to where all are you doing?

Is there a way that we can word it? So, it is one of the other things as you read it, I was thinking some of those terms as I read old ordinances could be, you know, in 20 years, someone reading this might be what's a newspaper, what's a magazine, what's a website even maybe, you know, we don't know. So, is there a way that we can change the the language in it so that it is kind of more future proof and it also meets more of the intent of uh informing us and how the unit is listed for rental. I guess

here's here's another thought with that. So I know that when we had chatted in the last meeting, we had talked about how like sites such as Airbnb or VRBO and so forth, they have somewhat of a tracking mechanism or screening for the individuals that rent the short-term rentals. So if it's I'm wondering if if that's what we're trying to acco I guess that's where where my disc because I agree with everything you're saying the enforcability to try to monitor that I think is outside of anyone's perview.

I said if somebody said I'm advertising on penthouse world what would we do about it? Correct. No, but that actually that's it's funny though because I was thinking when you were saying it was like Craigslist

or something to that where it's it's pretty it's kind of like no man's land for what you could be renting from. So my I'm wondering if it's something that it it kind of probes a deeper question is if it's more so the sites if the the places that we're posting these on and I'm going to try to convey this what It's in my head right now, but the places that the folks are renting the short-term rental on are almost like bonded places, if that makes sense. Like an Airbnb or like a BBO or something that has some sort of verification procedure.

Yeah. For the person that's coming into it versus having the license holder has to provide record. Maybe it's better to have it like you need to rent from a place that is a or see I think that's a step too far because if I'm a business owner I want to I want to rent mine well no I want to make all the money I shouldn't have to pay this third party I want to make the money if if I haven't kept my record if I haven't done my part take my license away you got to give me a chance to prove that I can do it that I don't have to have give part of my paycheck to Airbnb or somebody else

that makes sense And also think of it as uh so they're listing who they're advertising with. So if there were ever a problem with that property, you know, they're on VRBO. So you can compare what they're advertising versus what may actually be happening. And that may cause, you know, an easier case to revoke a permit or something if if they're advertising one thing, doing another. So that that at least you'll know where they're listed at. And we also have to recognize that in especially in that case and unfortunately this world if they're advertising one thing and selling another it's about 3 seconds before that person checked in and it's going to be very

I think that one and I'd like to advocate maybe for peril on this too and the staff up front that maybe we change the language in this that they can furnish it based on request like we requested that we're not having to keep an ongoing record of it. It just if we ask where is this advertised, how are you doing it that they they're required to provide us that information that way that we're not having to always update a log on it, but it will save our staff and it will I think kind Yeah, I think that's a fair

right. If it doesn't say maintaining that, but rather at the application spot, you know, um then it's it's just a section on the application that says where have you listed this property? Um and ask for that information forformational purposes, not for regulation purposes.

Makes sense. And so then when they come the next year to re up their license, then they have to fill out the application again. And at that point they up do updates. So it I don't think it's asking for, you know, every three weeks if they pick another place that they got to come in and update that. But when they fill out that application, where are you currently advertising this? That makes sense. And maybe if the wording needs to be clarified a little bit to express that it said application process.

I would agree with that. I also think if you step back realize 90% are going to be Airbnb because their platform already in place. All they do is make sure they're good, make sure they got Jeremy's approval and they're good and they're going to let that platform because they have insurance, they have the background check, they have the processing of all the payments. It's easier that way. Sure.

Okay, I got more on to the definitions of short-term rental. um a dwelling which provides overnight accommodations for transiting guests for compensation for a period of 14 days or less. Um what if I wanted to do consecutive rentals? Uh chapter 157 the next one. I'm on the next

um I'm guess where did 14 days come from? You know like if I have my my mom was still around and I want her to come visit might for a month. Um, I'm just not sure that's kind of arbitrary. And what if I wanted to do two 14 day consecutive rentals?

So, would you suggest no more than 30 days? That' be my recommendation. That's open for discussion. I I can say when we went out west, we were out there for three weeks. There's a lot And the truth of the matter is most people are going to come here for a short while unless they're family and they're coming to see family and be here for family. I would agree. I think you're on a good day. My mom, you know, here

I can see 14 days being a little short and 30 being more acceptable. So have a thought on that because I'm in agreement with both of you guys on that is so a coworker of mine just went through a situation where they had a family member pass and they were working to pretty much resolve the estate and the estate the time frame that it took to resolve the estate was lengthy like more than 30 days. I'm talking months

that took that case. So I'm wondering if maybe the solution to that would be that if it's going to be someone that has an extended stay that we still approve that but maybe there's something in place where you get approval for it or something like that. I agree. The only thing I would worry about and this would be what determines how long for residency. I've been here 30 days. I'm a resident now and good luck. I will say the 14 days is from the current ordinance. The current the 14 days is already established in there. So, has there been a current issue with the 14 days?

Honestly, I don't think there's been I think it's been an unmanaged issue and we're trying to start managing it now. And if we didn't have a restriction on consecutive 14 days, then we'd be all right because I could run it for 14 days and for another 14 days as long as long as your zoning doesn't say I can't do I can't do that. So how would you put that at 30 days?

No, I I would say you could do two weeks and then I could call the guy up and say give me another two weeks. Give me another two weeks. So I think what she's saying is with 14 days she gets rented for 14 days one contract to be over and rent it for another 14 days for another 14. What what is the what is the correct language that you would want that I wouldn't be in violation of this what I said is just to not not prohibit consecutive just keep be silent on consecutive it's not in there now

but my devious mind went to that so as long as we were just silent and I could rent it probably isn't going to happen.

Should it say um in a calendar year? How many days within a calendar year or something? That way I would be more and specifically for the reason you brought up if I am I have to my my job brings me out of town somewhere on a three or four month assignment. A lot cheaper than Airbnb than a hotel. I I can see and that and that's how things are going nowadays. If you're on if you're there for two or three months, Airbnb is a lot cheaper to your company than a hotel is. But that's not prohibiting you from doing it. It's prohibiting the establishment from creating it. So So

once you get once you get beyond that, though, it becomes a long-term rental, right? And there's nothing in this that says that if you've got an Airbnb and somebody says, "I'd really rather stay here for four months," that you don't do a long-term rental contract for that. That then is not an Airbnb stay, but it is a long-term rental.

That makes sense. not be part of this. It would just be it would be a separate long-term rental agreement that's outside. These people have been here all summer.

I think Wade's chopping at the bit over here is eating the microphone. Um, so I, you know, when about five years ago when I moved back to Michigan from Colorado, I stayed in a rental for four months until I found the right house. So, I was not allowed to do uh if I went over 30 days, I had to sign a rental lease. Not that required me to do more things for like utilities maintenance and that sort of thing as opposed to, you know, a short-term rental, which in that community I could stay for 30 days before it triggered the more long-term, as you were saying, rental,

right? So, I think I think there is a distinction um that's going to have to be up to the operator to, you know, be on top of so they're not de facto staying there for a whole year with with just the the short-term rental qualification. That makes sense. We're probably just thinking that it's going to be we should be thinking that as longterm rentals. We're not so maybe that is resolved. I can live with 14 days as long as that's all it says.

Okay. On to shortterm rental draft amendments with staff input. You guys did a lot of work. I want to thank you very much. I learned a lot from reading this document. Um down in accessory home occially, but the term lapidary doesn't very on the next page. Section three, prohibited home occations. Um, a prohibited home occupation was a a tourist home. Um, that's kind of an old term and I'm not sure if it's still even used.

Would you be able to clarify what that I see? To me, a tourist home was that somebody who had rooms in their house and you could stop and rent a room and spend the night. boarding house. Yeah. And have a meal and move on. I was thinking more of a Yeah, that's what I was right. Yeah. A tourist stop kind of something that um so that becomes more of a business even though you may not be charging but you're saying, "Oh, come and tour my house." you know, um, Bailey House. Yep. The Barman Bailey House.

Okay. Where's the knowledge of the universe? What's a tourist house? That's a new one to me. Um, I'm not sure. I Yeah, as we were reviewing this, I had seen that too and had the similar question. And I think that if anything either I mean, does it should be removed? Is it like an archaic term or does it need to be defined within definitions? Couldn't we make it tourist attractions? whatever you That's what a museum or a home tour or something would be an attraction. I think that makes I think in probably today's terminology that makes a lot more like because I would if it was tourist attraction or tourist home I would have thought exactly as you thoughtley house.

Okay, that's that's exactly what I thought. I could be wrong wrong. Well, we're both wrong because it's that's exactly what I thought. Okay, I think I'm almost done. The only other thing and it was under the central business district. Um, all the things that are allowed and not allowed and the one thing that wasn't here as allowed is venue rentals. Our biggest building downtown is a venue and it doesn't really address that in any of the descriptions of any of these businesses. It's not a restaurant.

Would it be an amusement enterprise? No, because that says it has to be within the building and that to me would be like a bowling alley or you know No, that's not the restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and other similar entertainment facilities where the patrons are seated or served while seated in a building. I'm just saying if it's something we're going to allow, it should be somehow described business. Could you could you clarify once again what what you're meaning downtown is the biggest building, sits on the corner, and it's a wedding venue.

Okay. So, essentially, it's empty all day long, and then it has its use in the evenings, but there's nothing in here that describes any kind of venue. Um, rental establishment. All right. So, if I'm not I don't believe I'm wrong. I'm not. But that's also where they hold homecoming for Holly High School. That's over here. Okay. Oh, that one's called the vault. This one's called Zenu 111. Yes, that that Yes. Thank you for the correction. The vault. Okay. Could it be under uh part of the vault collection

under what? Under number three as a uh other service establishment similar to showrooms, workshops. I read through all these and it didn't fit anything in my estimation. If somebody wants to make an argument that it it does um I could not find any place where it was a rented establishment for people to come and hold events. Um liquor is served and food is served. I would if going by that again I've never been there. It seems like for it's in it's implied in it

because you have what is entertainment entertainment the biggest difference is that it's a rented facility. It's a rented facility. It does not run a business unless someone has gone in there and rented it. They do. But everything listed here in number four, those are businesses that are owned by people that keep regular hours, have staff. A rented facility, that is a business, a building that's empty most of the time, is a different animal

like at the ball or the ball downtown. Is that when you're hiring them to rent that venue, is that something where they're supplying their staff as as needed as like a supplemental service for liquor, food, right?

That type of situation because I I see where it could fit into. It's implied though. It's like one or four. I'm just saying if it's something we're going to have downtown, we should have it because it's not the only one in the central business district. The place that used to be the old fireh hall calls themselves the gathering something or other from time to time and they invite people. They call themselves an event. Yeah. So, and and they don't do anything except, you know, food trucks and fix stuff and they call themselves a venue.

Let me ask you this. What does obviously we're granted a business license. What does the business what what type of business license I guess where they hit you?

What's the heading? I don't think it qualifies under any of these. So I would say that it would be as close as we could to number four even though it is rented. Yeah, I think there's definitely a need for change. That's all I'm saying is it needs to be put in there. If that's if it's going to be allowable use, then it should be in our listing of things, rental facilities, rental

and then listed I don't even care to be that specific, but I think it's obviously there are big buildings sitting downtown. So, you should identify I'm not completely comfortable with the term rented though. They they don't rent it out like we're talking about. An Airbnb gets rented out. When you rent from them, it is it is a contract with them for their services to utilize their building. their staff runs it and stuff. So, it's so I

that's I agree with you, but not quite that term. And it's not up to us to come up with the terminology. That's what our staff is going to do. I think all we've said is we want to make sure that buildings and businesses whose purpose is to be rented purposes is to hold events is the purpose to be a venue needs to be an approved listed identified and I see I agree with maybe the term an event venue something added in there that's fine

see and with that discussion I think it fits into number four perfectly because some of the restaurants in town uh they're not they're not in town they're in town but all right so um game time meets they serve food they're not open 24 hours or every sorry every day of the week if if when I rent the vault if they're providing everything like you say to me that fits perfectly in number four because I'm basically renting a restaurant or I'm renting something all I'm doing is giving a check and this is what I want and they do everything else. To me, that would fit right into number four.

Yeah. But I I do think that additional wording of something that says event venue or some of that nature might be beneficial in social would amusement enterprises. Not number five. Number five, amusement enterprises. Uh so amusement enterprises I looked at the definition means commercial establishment for public entertainment or recreation including but not limited to bowling alleys theaters bill parlor I don't know doesn't fit yeah I don't think it fits there I think it fits four better if you add event venue

somehow into number four so in number four in addition to um after nightclubs event uh event venues and similar entertainment facilities. So literally if we put in event venues I think that helps. I think just leave it venue because again I'm thinking you got one up there by its masun.

Yeah. Okay, let me see if I got anything else. You gave us an assignment to go through this. Okay, second to the last page. Where am I at? Special land uses. Go down to six. Number two on which one are you in? I am on same document. Same document.

Okay. Special land uses number two and containers suitable for F instead of F. It's fair. Yep. are suitable for the temporary outdoor storage, not fire. And that is it. That's all I have. Well, while we're at that spelling, because uh if you look at accessory home occupations, but this is one we noticed earlier, tutoring limited to four students at a tune. So, change two at a time. So, only music students. Yeah, that these are like older ones that have been

Well, they live in the turret. You can shoot instead of air rifles, you can't shoot air rifles in the the village.

Thank you for all the work that this Anybody else have something? I had one on 2B. Um, we talked about it briefly, but I just want to make sure this makes sense to everyone else and just sounds a little weird to me. says the short at the very beginning the chapter 118 short-term rentals to be um the short-term rental must be operated entirely within the principal dwelling and not within any garage or accessory building uh located upon premises except for incidental stoages. So, does that mean that the short-term rental can be inside of incidental storage should be including and I think that yeah incidental storage is

yeah I'm not sure except incidental storage I mean we've seen places where we put our kayaks in a special little garage place I guess was that a sepate No thinking.

Okay. I have a couple of thoughts as well. Um when we talk about the number of licenses issued per and it says per year, 50 per year um or in a calendar year. So if those 50 reup or are on a rolling basis and you move into a new year, the wording of that says another 50. So now you've suddenly opened up a hundred. So 50 current

no more than 50 licenses renewable annually shall be issued it's section five shall be issued subsection comma renewable annually or no comment. I'm I'm sorry I went off from this main list. So it's

it's listed under the title 11 business regulations section five subsection A. Yes. Max maximum of 50 short-term licenses shall be issued renewable annually. So that kind of brings up an interesting point. If like our They're due by a certain date. If we allow a rolling date, you know, I got mine July 1. I don't have to another July. It seems like we are in a perpetual state of where we at a flux of how many

flux and if you count in I I didn't see any break periods like if I'm out of town or incapacitated and I can't renew by July 1 am I do I get my 15 days or can somebody I think I think there was that that's in here. So is it are you saying it should be renewable same date accountability is too hard for that. So we wanted that on the first business day of the brand new year we're anticipating a line of 50 people if there's 52 you know we're issuing the first 50 and that's it whether you're incapacitated whatever.

No I I am good with that. I I just didn't want you to know that we our 50 licenses are spread out through the whole year of the first business day of that new year. You are required to come in every day. And do we send them a notification or anything like that or like like similar with taxes type of thing or just like all the other rentals? Yes. I think we should probably define whether this is the calendar year or the fiscal year because that's I I think that helps me understand but I think this wording doesn't say that should should we write um

yeah I don't know if we moved annually or annual if it was a maximum of 50 annual short-term rental shall be issued If that meets that criteria then because then it's saying that they're annual licenses, not annually where you're going to issue 50 of them. Annual licenses. Yes. A maximum of 50 annual short-term rental license shall be issued within the village. That sounds like it works. and then maybe something that states um that it's based on calendar year or fiscal year probably would be the you want to do it fiscal year

rather than having people come on January 1. But the the conversely though people if we're doing it in the middle of the summer and people are planning out their their their time if they don't know if they're going to have a short-term rental you know that's a available to them a license. Yeah. Instead doing it on a fiscal or annual like calendar year. We do it on like February 1. We could we could pick a date because if it was February 1, it' get us out of the way of the major holidays. February Monday, first Monday of February.

I mean, they could always submit. Could they submit before? Could they in January for that year or is it you're going to hit February first Monday? So my question is so as far as just looking at how we are applying this as like a staff so if I'm getting you know how early can they submit can they submit uh you know two years in advance and that and you know how do we pick the criteria so if we have 100 applicants how are we going through and approving these or is it first come first serve starting February 1st applications till February 15. How many applications do we get?

Over 30. Over 30 right now. But like do you get a call a week a month?

And then if you've got renewing ones, does do they have to submit their paperwork in January to be renewed by J by February 1st to continue? That's a So I think that brings up a really good good point and maybe there's two criteria because I think that if you do want if you have the the limitation for renewals to be on the same day and someone can just submit an application for year after year after year. They could technically flood it for the next decade if they wanted to do so,

right? and no one would get a chance. So maybe it is maybe it is for new applicants that it has to be on fe the first Monday of February and then for renewals you can submit it 30 days in advance but that's it for that next year. But the licenses are not like you don't automatically get it if you're doing a renewal either. Okay. So then maybe it is just Monday first come first serve. Yeah, just do that. [Music]

So, applications accepted beginning the first Monday in February

and then via mail or email sub office and that way we are keeping it open to you know on our applications that we have it will give you specific requirements as far as how just leave a little vague because you might be doing it by your neurolink you I would I would recommend that when you develop your license criteria, your form, you you might want to consider putting on there that these are first come first serve so you don't get someone that has done this for three years and say, "Oh, I forgot and now they're out of luck and they can't." So, I think that just covers the village that it's first come, first serve. Um, another thought I have as well is in where it talks about tents and campers that if someone owns a property and they store their tent store pretty much just a camper, not necessarily a tent. But the way that's worded, it sounds like they can't park their camper there for storage on their

propert. I and I think that I think it Well, I think that it's all about the dwelling,

right? And so something that says to the fact of for occupancy or something like that, you know, that it that it can't be utilized for occupancy, but you know, if if I because you know, we've said that you can rent a room out of your house. So, if I've got my motor home parked there and rent a room out of my house, signed up as an Airbnb, that wording now says I can't have my motor home sitting there.

Well, I think it says here, chair, is that it prohibits the use of campers. It just says Okay. What section? What section was that? Oh gosh, I'm going off from this list here. Was easier for me to make my notes on. It says under two on the first page 118 shortterm rentals 2C of recreational vehicles or tents. So it doesn't say, it just says placement. So, it should be use of. Yeah. See, this says just placement of

No, that's a great catch because you're right. It should be use of Yeah, I agree.

And I' I'd feel better if it says use of for occupancy. So, that I would I would actually go I like where you're going. I would go Like if I have a tent and my kids want a backyard camp, I would like to say use occupancy as a short-term rental like know every kid, you know, let's go camp in the backyard, right? Yeah. This does apply to just short-term rentals. That's what this is. Okay. We weren't Yeah. If you're not going to charge your kids and they only get two weeks to stay there, then it doesn't fall under this. tighten up

and then I'm because we talked so much about the 500 foot thing that I feel disappointed that it can't be in there and my fear is that down the road it's harder to reinstitute something like this than it is to put it in now and struggle a little bit in the transition in how to handle it.

The the the discussions that we had is the implementation of it is really difficult. Let's say that you had a short-term rental that you've been doing for five years that you've done and you submitted it a day. You've been doing it forever. you submitted it number two, but the person in front of you is a brand new short-term rental and they are 400 feet away from you and now you're prohibited from doing it and also like just we and so that we kind of ran through a bunch of scenarios about that and also how do we track does when Carol or we receive it are we marking it out on a map you know is it uh by line of travel is it in within radius and so there was so any um the implementation of it just seemed really prohibitive and um the more we talked about it with Amy the more we saw we thought it was just pretty unfeasible to maintain

that's a good that's a great point especially I mean I can see we can work way around how do you measure by the same way the postman travels that type of way but to your you made a great point if one goes in and four goes in and then you know 26 come in who's going to be Number four on the map is all right. He's too close. You got to go and and and I have a short-term rental permit, but you're my neighbor, and I've now precluded you from having that same opportunity that I have, which is a slippery slope.

I I I I I see the intent, but I I I don't see the feasibility or the fairness of it based on who got there first. If that were the intent, then I would say that we add the we um which I think we kind of remove the zoning considerations out of it, like you know, now what I have to worry about special land use, but if that's what you wanted to do, then we'd add the special land use consideration back in. And that way this board is determining, okay, this can go here, but it's not appropriate to be over here because there's one too close. But then what if that one doesn't maintain it, you know, right? If they're list, this goes away.

Yeah. We can't we can't remove it. There special languages at that point. So I have a thought. Could it be done on address number? So for instance, if we're trying to do 500 ft, right? And I live at house 300 and we go say that it's within two numbers of that. That's kind of that's two. won't work and my house is a perfect explanation. I'm at 3389. Both the neighbor is at like 3500

just because of how the property was was numbered 80 years ago. But I also think to his point if we do that it is all right. I got in my neighbors came in. We're both under 50 but mine was timestamped a minute early. So I I don't get one because my neighbor drove a little bit faster that day and And they could also use it as a punitive thing. Like if I don't like that you have a short-term rental and that I'm your neighbor, then I just slip it in, you know, pay my $50, whatever the fee is, don't ever rent it and I just prohibit you from doing it. Okay. So now, how like

how in the process then do we try to mitigate entire neighborhoods becoming short-term rentals? Yeah, but I mean 50 homes right around here is a pretty big neighborhood. 25 2600 or 2500.

I guess based on what they said though, you really can't because if those 50 came in on first Monday of February and they were all in line together and that maybe the only the only way that you might be able to limit that is could you do a limitation by ownership amount. So instead, because I'm thinking that if it was if you had 50 like you were saying, right, the likelihood that all 50 individual owners are going to come in and do that is

probably very Yeah. is probably very small, but somebody that comes in that that's a developer that owns 50 properties that wants to do that. So that I like what this is saying is um maybe need something that limits the number of licenses um per entity per entity. What what is the intent behind that? Well, if we're trying to limit the amount of Airbnbs in an area because that was again what we were trying to do with the 500, right? We're trying to save 500 feet,

but but just because they own it doesn't mean they're all properties right next to each other. Um, what I'm thinking of is that kind of limits your corporate from coming in and going, you know what, Holl's a great place. If we buy 50 homes, we've just got this in the bag. It kind of limits them to your corporate ownership. They have to be within a certain radius of the village. Yeah. So, they hire a company, you know, trademark or somebody that 50 different LLC's you know. Yeah. Well, if you're that big of a corporation, you're going to do that anyhow.

So, let me ask you this. If we said if we adopt these rules of the changes we make and 5 10 15 years when we're all not doing this anymore, we we encounter one of these situations. Can we address can the people that are sitting here now address it then? Technically, this is not even as it's stated. It's really not the planning commission. This is a this is a village council thing. We're basically giving a good draft to the village council because this is about business regulations. This isn't I mean we're going to take this and we're going to give and say, "Hey, this is our best, you know, thoughts on how to do short-term rentals." But

I mean, I we could literally take this document and implement it now at village council and remove it from planning commission as it is, but I think the village council said we want the planning commission's input on this. How to best do that? And I think this was the recommendation that we've come up with. And it seems like this is the best fit for our current situation with a little bit of future proofing. But times change, things change. If we can't we can't predict everything, we can't we don't know the future. But if it happens, if the village had a way to remedy it when those things come up,

I think our job I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe this actually allows us more flexibility in that because we could felt could say we're going to reduce this number to 25 annual registrations, 10 registrations. Well, right now the way that we're doing it with special land use is that I believe you can't remove it unless you take the circuit court. Oh, yeah. The most sensible and logical thing to do to get it to a place where Holly can control it is if we're all okay with the small changes. Let's get it done and get to them so we can have a little bit more control or more

more control of what's going on here. So, can I ask um you brought up the thing about other ones have been through special land use um and that that doesn't go away. What does this do to those? Well, they'll still have to register. They'll still have to they'll still have to register, but their property is the special land use is what this Okay, but so just be an existing nonconformity at that point. So if they have a special land, we wouldn't be able to renew it, right? They can they still have the thing but without the business. Okay.

Yeah, we're determining that this is now we're recognizing it as a business in the village and that's you know how we're going forward with it. Okay. I will to I wanted to point out though also when we're talking about a whole neighborhood being taken over just having see you know having come from a touristy community I don't get complaints about the community being short-term rentals. I usually have complaints about the one building that's in the community that's a short-term rental that's having parties or doing something like that. It's not, again, it's not a, you know, a whole street of short-term rentals is not usually the problem.

Yeah. And we got to look at it. This is a business for people money. It's it's in the owner best interest to play by the rules. Everything goes hard. Don't have party. You know, be friends with your community and that's how you become successful. I think if we can get this through us to the village that makes it all the more quicker that we can get legal arms around this and based on my discussions with village council president I feel like the proposals that we given it's kind of meeting their intent what their expectations are but we'll see what they decide.

So um because it's to village council and it's really just a offering a grace to us to review this and give input. Um, we really don't need a motion on anything either, do we? Or would a motion recommend recommend uh yeah, this be um, you know, with changes be presented to village council. Okay. So, I can make a motion to send the short-term rental plans with the changes discussed tonight to the village council.

Okay. They're they're looking at some thoughts yet. So I'm hold the motion who did the motion. Okay. Just so that we know that that's out there, but we may we may pull it back just a little bit when we get clarification. We're getting some clarification here.

So you are making changes to the actual zoning ordinance because you're removing the short-term rental regulations. You're striking all that. making some minor tweaks to the uh central business district and the R1 A and R1B and RM. So, strictly for those zoning ordinance changes, you would have a public hearing on that only um to make those tweaks and remove it as a special land use and recommend to the village council, right? But you wouldn't have a public hearing on anything under chapter 118. Makes sense, right?

So, um, do you want to resend what you had just to let it go for right now? I will resend the motion so that we can clear just do clear stuff to I will resend the motion to send the items on the discuss. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, um let's handle what we are going to need to do first. Okay. Do we do we need a motion tonight or do we say bring bring it back with um the modifications and and

right with your approval? We would bring it back for a public hearing at your October meeting if that's acceptable to you. And do we need a vote on that? we just are going to move forward that in the next process. Good. That's what I needed to clarify. So that portion is moving on. Now we can make a motion to recommend the new um what are we calling this thing again? business short-term rental business regulations um to the village council

with changes with changes. You make that one. Just say I so move. I move. I'll second. Oh, thanks. I make a motion to uh move forward to recommend the short-term business rental agreement with changes we made tonight to the village council. Sounds good. Yes. Short-term rental business regulations. Yes. Yes. And I will second that motion.

Okay. Would you like the um motion read back to you? Sure. Motion to recommend short-term business rental with changes to sound good. Okay. Um we can just do a voice vote on this. I think we don't need to do a roll call, do we? That's what I thought because it's just a recommendation. Um, all in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries.

Very good. Thank you. That was that was good discussion. I think that went very well. Uh, let's um move on to um reports. Uh, ZBA I haven't met lately. Okay. Uh DDA

I do know that they have an interim director. Um Mr. Price, could you speak to the interim director for the DDA? Um yes. We were just um talking about the we skipped over training as well. I didn't know if there was okay I skipped over them because there was nothing listed there. So

the um so for the DDA Yeah. So um Jennifer Fenny, she is the interim DDA director. She has been going to our my department head meetings. We've been a lot more she's a lot more engaged. Um no, she's kind of getting her feet underneath her. She's going to do a to start doing updates to all the businesses uh monthly. And so if there's any input that uh any of the commissions would like uh added like, you know, for example, we're updating short-term rentals to have them uh to have them understand that we can add those to those business updates. We're glad to have her on board and she's excited. She's interested in potentially applying for the full-time position, too. So,

has it been determined if that's going to be a split decision? Um, I've presented the split position as a U DA director, economic development director position. I've given the job description to both the DDA and village council and I haven't gotten specific direction from either body yet. Um, I village council wants to proceed that way, but I haven't heard definitive guidance from the DA. Okay, good. Um, council, anything from council specifically?

Oh, yeah. Jim's not Um, no, I did not have uh any uh um trying to think of the agenda, the last agenda if there was anything. We're doing a lot of ordinance updates. Um, as you've probably seen based on a lot of stuff we talked about today, things that need to to get changed. Um, whether it's spelling errors or one of the things on the last agenda, we removed the prohibition from having marijuana facilities with in our village. Uh so that was one of the things we added even because we because we currently have them. Uh oh, and we can do a update on the depot as well. So uh depot committee is moving tomorrow. It looks like um we we did approve a couple contracts for um an update to Wolf Movers who were doing the actual movement as well as Allied um Allied Building or uh who are doing the digging of the um not the digging the pouring of the foundation. We also have a person coming in that's going to dig it. We put in our misdigs. So we've actually put in our digging thing which is uh available for us to start digging 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.

Uh so we actually see some movement on this, at least some ground being broken as far as dirt being moved. So, um I'll let everyone know when to be out there with your lawn chairs. Uh I am I am on that committee and I am um I am still saying we're going to move that thing before Christmas. Yeah. Uh, and I think that I was going to also mention on the ZBA note too, Joseph, and I know that you said you would stay around, but there is a requirement in the charter for one of the planning commissioners to be on the ZBA. So that there so we have we just have to figure that out. Um, and I know that April is uh is tracking that and she's, you know, in discussions right now about that as well.

Go ahead. Just thank you. Parks. Parks Commission. Anything parks. I know H holidays was great. Yes. Was a nice event. Um I know that they are taking their it's October their last meeting of the year until you know they take their winter break. So let's do um commissioner and staff comments. Um let's start with Miss Lacy. I don't have anything. This has been really good though.

Mr. Hopper, nothing. Nothing. We're just going to keep going this direction. No, sir. Nothing. Well, I'm going to say that breakfast with the village manager was or coffee was a blast. There was myself and experiences may vary. No, the that joined us diagenics. Yeah. Okay.

And it was just so nice to be able to talk about what's going on in the village. Uh the chief was there, talked to him about some issues. The crappy trucks that I told them about from the old Sutter building are gone. Um so it's really worth it to go sit and listen to their side of the story as well because I learned a lot of stuff that you're dealing with this this whole business of ordinances and I know you've been on this for a long time and we've begged, please let us start working on these ordinances. And something you said on that at that coffee is that we're losing in court when we're trying to enforce our ordinances because our ordinances are such a mess. So, you know, even though when we try to clean up the void, it's a pain in the So, thank you for the work that you're doing. And again, this group, I'll speak for not just we're willing to keep working like we just anything you need.

Appreciate it. I I will say that uh our code enforcement team, Chief Wadson, Chief Nar, and uh Chief uh our assistant chief uh Nichki who does our historic district, we met today for a couple hours discussing code enforcement. We brought the attorney Gilder in to answer some specific questions and you will probably see um more code enforcement actions occurring over the next, you know, six months to a year. some probably big changes will come up to u which you know I think that many of the villagers will like and the villagers that might be the assumption that will not be won't like it nearly as well but it's been widely asked by the community so

and if I can say one more thing just to the village council your comments got kind of glossed over because you were talking really fast but one of the things that you talked about Tim is how you're going to apply the rules to everybody fairly throughout the village. And that's all I think we've ever really wanted. And I even asked President Brandon if she'd pull that, put it up on Facebook because I think it's worth repeating. What you said needs to be heard and favoritis. Thank you. Good. Uh, one more item that was created. We also created a construction board of appeals, too. Oh, yeah.

Which is a state requirement which we've never had before. Um, essentially the construction board of appeals, if one of our building officials or inspectors uh goes in and says this is a violation of the code, um, they can bring it to the correct construction board of appeals to make sure that the code is being interpreted correctly. And so we created that. So if anyone that's listening or anyone out there that has, you know, engineering, electrical, plumbing experience, it's going to be

it's be a a five member five member board. one of those uh board members uh will be a member of village council but and it will be kind of like CBA that it will just meet as needed. Um I mean it's been a requirement for a long time and since 1982 we've not had any meetings or need for it but it's just a requirement to happen. So

Josephine [Laughter] [Applause] really I could care about all this, but I obviously don't. So, I'm so sorry. I think the village here and all of that, but I don't feel like I'm being

Yeah. You learn.

Well, you've you have been, as I've said, you have been a good input. You have been a good input over the years. I've enjoyed working with you. So, thank you. around. I just won't be here. Yes. Um I where she wants to be right now.

My my comments my comments at the moment are going to be more um on things that the chamber has coming up. Uh Friday at 5:00 pm, more than subs is doing a ribbon cutting. um that's worth coming out to um celebrate um a new business. On October 4th, we are going to celebrate another one. Saturday, October 4th at 11:00 a.m. Holly Nutrition um where at night nutrition used to be. Uh they are doing their grand opening day with some special things that day. And so at 11:00 a.m. we will be doing a ribbon cutting. Also on October 4th is um township cleanup day which does include the village as well. And um that will take place at uh the um township property on Graange Road um beginning at 8 and I think it runs till two. And um if you are a member a resident of either the township or andor the village um you are free to bring your stuff to get rid of or cleaning up. And um those have usually been very well attended. And um we fill four or five garbage trucks and a um and a dumpster full of tires and another one full of scrap metal. And um it it's very very um beneficial. Uh this one does not have the paper shredding. They only do paper shredding at the spring one. So this one does not have paper shredding. And then on October 11th is uh my final big event

for the season uh with the Dixie byway car show. Um we start down at Waypoint Church by Bourdines. Uh drivers gather down there between 8:30 and 9:30 and um the youth group there gives them coffee and donuts and at 9:30 they all file out in a parade basically up Dixie Highway to Mount Holly and um that event takes place from 10 to 2 there and it's open to the public. We encourage you to come and park along the road and watch them all drive by and then come into Mount Holly and um enjoy up close and uh food trucks and other things live band that day. So come and be a part of some good stuff. Um let's go through staff specifically. Tim, if you've got something specific as

I just you know we have our the Halloween coming up, Witches Night Out, several events in our community. Um, I mean, I've talked basically every other time someone else has talked, so I've said a lot of things, but I just want to thank everyone, you know, for the work they do on this and, you know, getting into it. It's it is probably the hardest commission to be on. Um, you know, besides council, um, and you know, Josephine, just thank you for all that you've done, uh, the years you put in on all the commissions you worked on. I I know that I know that you feel like you're uh you know you don't have a heart for but you you know all I've heard is they know that you're you've always been there whenever the villages needed you and so I really appreciate that. Thank you very much.

Good. Thank you. Thank you. Nothing. Nothing. Do you want to make any comments? I just want to thank you all for see

Richard. Yep. Open house at the new middle school tomorrow. Oh yes. Tomorrow night to 6:30 you have 5 to 6:30. Go faster than a middle schooler running between classes. I don't know. At least now the one thing that they have said about this now is each grade is in a wing. Okay. Um so it's not like in the old building where you could have math in one pod and have to go all the way around to the other part of the building to a different pod for science and then come all the way back. Um you are in one wing um for each grade. It's a beautiful

Have you seen it? I've got a tour of it several times. Okay. Yes. Yes. And um we do need to have a final public comment. The same um rules apply as the first one. Um four minutes max. Um state your name and address for the record. And um if you would like to speak, Mr. Love, come on up to the microphone.

Hi. Uh John Love 200 North Sagena. The uh well the new school you just mentioned, one of them has an exit route right onto uh Baird Street. And it says if you're going west, go on Bard Street instead of the Maple Street, which is a main road. So, I think that's inappropriate to deflect them into neighborhoods like that, but that's how they constructed the site. Uh I I don't know where we stand on uh roads and uh dope, but we've got two dope operations going and they're going to generate money to fix the roads. I don't know what the plan is for fixing the roads, but they're junk and it's a disgrace to just drive around town. But I don't hear any discussion about uh something that's as basic as roads shaking the heck out of your cars. And it's also hard to hear you in this room. This was not constructed and built by a architect. So, as a consequence, the acoustics are not what they need to be. And if you don't even speak into the microphones, and some of you do don't, it even makes it more difficult to hear what you're saying. Uh, and this clock is kind of a disgrace, too. Uh, yeah, you can maybe bear it, look at it real close, but you should have a regular clock in in the meeting room here. Uh, the I don't know what the future is for the cityhood project, but I'm not in favor of that. Uh it just

adds more complications and uh deflects the involvement uh with the township. So, that's just some some of my reactions on this, but it's exciting to have two dope operations here, but that's what the uh leadership of this uh community decided that we needed to have under the direction of the uh manager that was uh pro promoting that project. Unfortunate for us. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Love. You want a chance?

You're rethinking this whole thing, aren't you? Very good. Um, if there's no objection, I will adjourn the meeting at um 7:42. There we