Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good evening. We will call the meeting of the Planning Commission for the Village of Holly, May 27, 2026, to order. Please stand for the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

And roll call, please.

Cross. Here.

Carroll.

Here.

Solis. Here. Pasadena. Here. Hero. Hopper. Here. Everly. Here.

Okonski.

Kinnaman.

Here. And I've heard that Okonski has called and said he won't be here. How about Hero? May I have a motion to excuse Okonski? Um, motion by cross second by Hopper. Um, all in favor.

Aye.

Aye. Those opposed. Motion carries. Next is approval of the agenda and, um, As we move into this, we are using the amended agenda. And I am going to recommend one amendment, kind of an update on this. It says that we start at 7 p.m. in the paragraph. which is something that we've just, I think we've missed for a long time. We don't just don't pay attention to it. Um, so we are going to amend the amended agenda to have a correct time.

I had one thing. Can we add to old business, the capital improvement plan?

Sure. I will take a motion to approve the amended agenda as amended.

I will make a motion to approve the agenda as amended.

I'll second.

Motion by Cross, second by Everly. All in favor?

Aye.

Those opposed? Motion passes. Minutes from February 25th meeting. Any revisions, deletions, changes? If not, I will take a motion.

I'll make a motion that the minutes of February 25th, 2026 be accepted as presented.

Motion by Everly, seconded by Cross. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. I would entertain someone to read our statement of purpose, please. I can. Great.

The mission of the Holly Village Government is to enhance our community's quality of life. Our organization strives for quality services, responsive action to citizen requests, and cost-effective government. We promote citizen participation, proactive decision-making, and environmental quality. Most importantly, we shall always serve the citizens of Holly. The village of Holly will be a prestigious historical village that is a green residential oasis from the city and the center of commerce and activity for the region.

Thank you. I'm going to open for public comment at this time. Members of the public can address the commission once recognized by the chairperson. comments are limited to a maximum of four minutes. The commission may extend this time by up to an additional four minutes by a majority vote. For items on the agenda, comments may be made after commission discussion prior to commission vote. Prior to addressing the commission, members of the public shall state their name and address for the record. Do we have anyone for public comment?

I'm going to use this as a target of opportunity.

So my name is Timothy Price. I'm the village manager. And so first I wanted to, if anyone hasn't heard, we've lost Amy. She is no longer going to be with Rowe. So she will no longer be our builder planner. However, we do have Wade Hill here who's going to be filling in that gap, trying to. I know we all really like Amy and what she's doing with us. We also have Heather here who's going to be assisting as well. And so I wanted to first just introduce them. Wade was here last, I believe, October when we were going over short-term rentals. So he's a little familiar with us and our kind of crazy ordinances and fixing them up. And speaking of crazy ordinances and fixing them up, so when we're looking at item B on here, I know that we had some amended, new business item B, we had some amended, going back and forth. And one of the reasons that happened was because the ordinance that we have is contradictory and confusing IN REGARDS TO THIS. IF YOU LOOK AT 157.054, WE SAW, WELL, WE CAN APPROVE IT UNDER E, BUT WAIT, F HAS CONTRARY LANGUAGE IN THERE. SO THROUGH THIS WE'VE LEARNED, ALL RIGHT, WE NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL TO CHANGE THIS LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO in order to uh... make sure that it's you know that were applying it correctly uh... i'd my record that's one of the reasons well sitting down the row during right before this meeting kind of deciding how we should go forward with this particular item i would recommend as you go forward with this one uh... that either you postpone until the language dot or the other recommendation is that we just go about it as if the zoning The zoning official is providing the recommendation the Planning Commission the Planning Commission approves it I think that's kind of what the language was going for but it's unclear between E and F and So even within this language recommendation here that we need to add One other line at the end because it says shower men recommend approval or denial of the application Well, who are they approach? Who are they giving that recommendation to? Is it to Village Council? Is it to the Planning Commission? Is it to me? And so we are just needing to go through the Michigan Land Division Act as well to make sure that we're in compliance and that we're doing everything above board. I don't know if, you know, for this particular item, if it has to go out today or if it can be postponed. If it can be postponed, maybe do it, and then we'll update ordinances, hopefully. If not, then... I think we have a plan forward regardless. I just wanted to apologize that this had not been cleaned up sooner. It was done in 82, and then I think we had re-looked in 99, and no one's noticed this since then. So we're working on it. But I appreciate everyone's patience as we're still working through all our ordinances. Thank you. Thank you.

Yes.

Hi, I'm Sherry Kerber, 130 Bevan street in Holly, Michigan. Okay. Well, I'm glad I came because this is my property that we're talking about tonight and I sure hope we can get this taken care of tonight. This was a mistake that was made over 35 years ago. The old lady that had our house had lot nine and lot 10. The people next door had lot eight. The old lady sold this 15 foot, just 15 foot, to the neighbors so they could get their boat in the lake. You know where I'm talking about, Kurt. And the problem is they did the deed, but they never came to the township or the village to have the actual parcel split, the lot split done. So in the meantime, when that house sold, their surveyor, their appraiser, Not one of them caught that that wasn't, shouldn't have been included in there because it wasn't complete. We bought our house after looking back now, our survey, our appraiser showed we owned lot nine and lot 10, which we do because it was never complete, but the fence has been there forever. We never paid attention. We love our neighbors well until, um, last year. So this has been an offering almost a year and a half. They had done a trust and put the daughter's name on the deed. Well, that triggered, finally, Oakland County noticing that it showed on their deed that they owned part of lot nine. So when I got my tax assessment in the mail, it had their names on my tax assessment. I'm like, what the hell is this? Oh, excuse my French. Anyway, so I started making phone calls. This is what I found. This mistake was made over, I've been paying property taxes on that for 33 years. They've been using the property. I volunteered, I told their neighbor, I have a mortgage. My mortgage company has the rights to that property. They own the property. I told my neighbor. You pay for what they're saying we have to have done, which is a survey, an appraisal, you know, this stuff, for them to, because they got to get Fannie Mae to release it, and I'll just, well, it's okay, everything's good. Well, she took a long time, let's just say that. Anyway, make a long story short, it took forever to get this done. I am so ready for this to be done, because it's caused rifts now between the neighbors and us, because She pulled the boat out in the yard. I'm like, wait, that's my property. And she didn't want to, it's like, she doesn't want to pay any taxes. She doesn't want to do it anyway. She got a lawyer and all of this crap. So can we please get this done? I'm just, I've been stressed out for a year and a half. It's 15 feet. We have all the paperwork's all been done. We spent thousands and thousands of dollars to get this taken care of. I just want it over. Please don't delay it.

I'm going to stop you because, um, Technically, you should have an opportunity to talk when we review that item. Well, I wanted to bring it up for work This is this is for general public comments, non-agenda items. Oh, okay. Well, he brought it up, though. You did, yes.

Anyway, so I talked to Ben, who is the assessor, because this has been delayed down here for months when I'm not sure why, and Ben is the one who made it sure it got on the agenda tonight, and Ben has talked to Oakland County already, and Ben is ready to move this along as soon as it gets approved.

Thank you. Anyone else for public comment on non-agenda items? Very good, we will move on to public hearing. 2026-001, consideration for a site plan review and special land use, property 4049 Grange Hall Road, Holly, Michigan, parcel ID IH-01, 27151024. Do I have a motion to go into public hearing? I'll make one. Yeah, I'll make the motion to go into public hearing.

I will second that motion.

And we will do a roll call on that one, please.

Hero?

Yes.

Carl? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Yes. We are now in public hearing. Um, by the way, did you know that, um, that he arrived? Okay. To make sure that's in the minutes. Very good. Thank you. Um, anyone for the public hearing? on the special land use for the property on Grange Hall Road. This is only for the public hearing time, so it's not necessarily your presentation. We'll have another time for that when we, this is public time to give opinion on that item, on whether, you know, what your thoughts are on it. I see no response. I would like a motion to exit to close public hearing.

I'll second that motion.

Who seconded? Very good, Felice. We have a motion and a second. Let's do a roll call on that too, please.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Motion passes. Public hearing is closed. We will now go into old business and we have added the capital improvement plan. Um, Ms. Everly, would you like to, um, comment on that since it was your request?

I was just wanting to know where we were at. We're getting closer and closer every day. And what does that mean?

Uh, we're hoping to present next month, but if not next month, it'll be the following month. And who's had input into it? All the department heads in 10th Street. Okay.

Okay. Thank you.

Very good. Thank you. Sure.

not say that the council is forcing our hand here, but in a way it's kind of like members are saying that they're not going to vote on certain pieces for the village or taking a stand to do that. I think that we should have that noted as a board or a commission.

And so what kind of thing, I didn't happen to watch that. What kind of things are they not going to vote on?

Right.

It was a couple of Ryan. There was a couple of things. I think the first thing was a tractor. Yes. A lawnmower. There was one other item and it was the same thing.

Generator. Yeah.

So a generator. Yeah. So I don't think necessarily we are we are at fault here. I'm not going to say staff at all. There's a combination of things. Personally, we've gone through different consultants and the stuff they originally Is there any way that we as a board could expedite the process?

Well, I think a lot of it came to just having a balanced budget, right? And having money. Because really, it's already a wish list. But when you don't have a balanced budget, what are you going to do with the capital improvement plan if you can't? that hopefully have it completed, if not tomorrow, really quickly. But our last conversations yesterday or maybe even later today were, if not the next, planning the following one.

I think it will open up. My understanding, too, is it will help with grants and everything of that nature, too. Well, it's the RRC.

I mean, I've been preaching this for eight years.

And that's no exaggeration. But I understand maybe that's...

I know there is a process, but for me to just say, Jared, let's start the capital improvement process tonight. Where and how are we gonna, this is a project that is something that isn't completed in just a couple hours in a commission meeting. This is a process that Tim and I have been working on for months, along with Alex. I don't know how many of you remember Alex. just kim's been meeting with department heads he met with andy today to make sure that we're meeting all the needs and the wants of the department heads too to make sure they're incorporated on this along the way and really when i say that we're talking infrastructure wastewater treatment plant upgrades water treatment plant upgrade you know there's significant things that need along with the aging infrastructure on college, Sherman, Berger, Harper, right? There's just a lot of information that we have put on there. And then we have to create expenditures, right? Where are we gonna get the money from? How are we gonna budget it through a three-year, a five-year? and RRC ready to develop a community. And if you are, that's what brings those people to your community to start building, right?

Thank you for educating me on that. It's more, I just, as part of the planning commission and taking our responsibilities the way that we need to, I just want to make sure it's not us this improvement plan that can be separated or parsed, it is such a monumental undertaking, right? So what I'm wondering is if we can delineate it between like six pieces. Has that ever been done historically?

Not here, right? Tim's the first person I've had that's actually been supportive and actually helped me with this process. So, you know, when he's going into a second other things such as capital improvement, infrastructure development. I know Tim, in the last month, he's already submitted multiple grants for some of these infrastructure projects, which this time last year, wouldn't even have been in that threshold because it was more about creating a balanced budget for the community so that we can have these things in the future, right?

That's great.

I would say that... Richard, you've been here through the process.

Yeah. almost from day one of when I started on this, on the commission, we've been talking about this. And so to be at a point where we're saying one to two months when we've been at it for eight years and been no place, that to me feels like we can see the finish line.

Well, at least till it comes to you guys to make the recommendation. it's not meeting our expectations it's definitely not going to meet yours and why waste anybody's time with that so and then we got amy in now amy's out wade's in so i'm not trying to create excuses but it's been a Very difficult task, to say the least. But I can tell you, I feel much more positive, especially with the support and endorsement of the manager that also wants to see the same outcome.

No, thank you. Awesome. No pressure.

Usually I'm sitting up there, but we ran out of seats. So I guess I could go sit in Gary's seat. Um, so capital improvement plans, if you don't just, I know we have some new members on here. Capital improvement plans are usually way, correct me if I'm wrong on this too, are usually dove into the end of your master plan. So our master plan is actually, we're scheduled to start a new master plan this year. That's how old our other master plans are. They last for five years. You do a master plan and then your master plan informs your capital improvement plan, which you update annually. So it is, it's something that we should be updating annually. And it's a six, usually there's six year master plans. YOU UPDATE EVERY YEAR. BUT THEY'RE INFORMED, THE REASON THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES OUR MASTER PLAN, APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS DOVETAILED WITHIN OUR MASTER PLAN. WELL, OUR MASTER PLAN, ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH COUNCIL WHEN I ACTUALLY TOOK THIS JOB, I WAS LIKE, WELL, HOW CLOSELY DOES THE MASTER PLAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE VISION OF THE VILLAGE? AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY. THAT WAS KIND OF THE DIRECTION. having that, without having a master plan to direct and give guidance, you know, and without having a budget to do all these things, really it's just a wish list right now until we get this next master plan finished. Now, again, we're going to finish the CIP. We're going to have a better version out. That's going to inform at least spending, but it's not going to be tied into the master plan like it should be, like it's designed in, what is MCL? I wrote it down a little bit ago when we were talking about it. but there's an mcl that covers like the reason we do this and the process for it um one of the reasons to take us along is because we're doing everything out of order because that's just the nature of it because it should have been done six years ago when the master plan was written so but so you mentioned that it's kind of a wish list for now you don't know what it is because of the budget right but i also heard that there's a grant

So if by doing this or by parsing pieces of this, if that's a possibility, it opens us up for grants and getting some of this money for help to fix roads or do whatever we need to do for the village to help with that, then that's what I'm wondering is if there is a way to expedite certain pieces of it so that we can qualify and put in for grants before those expire or the money expires.

Okay. so really the the methodology that we've been using to build it right now all right so we have infrastructure it's going to be a lot more comprehensive than any other master plan that you've probably seen before because we're using our we're taking every single road within the village and we're using our pacer plan the last pavement asphalt surface evaluation a rating scale on like when does it need to get improved and so it's on a five point scale um When it's at a four and a five, it just needs to be completely reconstructed. One means like a brand new road and such. We're taking all of that and putting it in there and then putting it on that metrics about, all right, within six years, Now, part of the capital improvement plan is you also have to say what funding sources this is coming from. And we can't just put everything down as grant funding, and we can't say everything's going to happen next year or six years. In fact, we were just looking at if we were to replace every road that needs replacement right now, it would be about $20 million. Well, I mean, even if we did, that would be our general fund over the next 10 years, just to cover that expense. And again, for these infrastructure projects, in fact, when I was meeting with Danny today, I was talking about a lot of people don't understand that I don't even know how much you want to go. I'm going to get on a soapbox if I do this. But like, so our roads, when we're doing roads, we're doing repairs like this. Your general fund money only covers like pothole repairs, those kinds of things. If you want new roads, then they're the traditional way to do it is either a roads millage or through special assessment. Both of them are identified within our charter and how we would do those things. But again, if we're going to do a special assessment on every single person of the road, within the street, we'd have to do so many special assessment hearings, all of these things to meet those requirements. And it's going to do an additional burden on those taxpayers. So we're really, I know council has been discussing this a lot about what is the appropriate mechanism in order to start to get funding. Because we have so many things that need attention right now. with a lack of resources just to maintain our current services. And that's, so okay, roads are just one thing that's on there. Then we have our whole asset inventory. All of the things that, all of our buildings, all of our parks, all of the other things that need the upgrades. We have some wish list items on there as well. In addition to that, we also are putting on some, not only You don't put all of your equipment on there, but we would put any large scale items that would cause a financial burden to the community. So we have a ladder truck that is from 1988. 1988 is our ladder truck right now. It's going to be having need in the future. We've been aggressively looking at grants and other fundings. In fact, we're in I'm not going to talk. We are in contention for one right now that I'm hoping for. I'm not going to talk about too much until we get, you know, past a couple more tiers. But, you know, we are aggressively looking at ways that we can. get financing for some of these other things. Our lead line service replacements, that's going to be, you know, we're going through EPA right now with the Get the Lead Out program. We have probably between $1.2 and $2 million worth of lead line service replacements that we're going to need to do through studying and replacements. This is just a few of the things that are on there that should have been done 10 years ago, should have been done 15 years ago, that we have been just, you know, our team has been doing catch-up to try to work and, you know, council has been giving us our direction. These are the The marching order is to get there. And so we're getting there. We'll have a draft. I was telling Jeremy beforehand I want to have a draft of you guys at the next commission meeting. But again, it's going to need some other input. And it might not have dates assigned to some of these. But it will have a list of the things that we believe are our priority items that are capital that needs improvement.

That's great. I think the biggest part. professional life of having clients when the ball's in your court like all the all the attention's on you you know that so it's if we can as the commission get through what we need to do so that the ball is put in the proper court for approvals grants everything like that that's all i'm saying yeah

Yeah, and there's different categories. Like an RRC-certified, redevelopment-ready, certified community is different than I think we're an essential community right now. And so we want to get to that certified level where just it allows, I wouldn't say that we're, we aren't restricted from a lot of grants, but there are maybe some more that are going to open up or opportunities throughout the state funding as well. That might help. Wade, did you have any other things to add?

You covered it. Thank you, guys. I'm sorry to keep dragging. I'm about to just keep going down this rabbit hole, so don't worry. So I was reading about this. I'm glad the RRC thing came up. I was kind of reading about it on my own, and are there components of that that have to do with, like, our zoning rules and things like that as well to become redevelopment ready certified? Yeah, it's very deep.

Yeah.

The capital improvement plan is just a

If you can add to your checklist on for the next meeting there is actually they have brochures for RRC I don't know when the last time was updated But it gives you the exact criteria of like certificate certified and all those things and we can provide it to Commission either digitally or in form of the meeting to kind of show and we can kind of get the show on our Tableau Like Trello, on our Trello board to see where we're sitting right now for it. CIP questions? Anyone else? Sherilyn, you're scratching for it.

The only thing I was thinking is that along the lines of what Jarrett's saying is you're hitting this stuff when it comes up. Is there a way that we could be reviewing ahead of time and kind of like finding it before you do?

Section 157 is the ordinance that you operate on, and you guys should be well-versed in that section already if you're not already.

And I would encourage... Not you guys. I would encourage... as we see there's a need for ordinance review. And we have an ordinance and charter committee within our council that will help with this stuff as well. But I would recommend a working subcommittee from the Planning Commission that is derived of a less than quorum group that is dedicated to say, hey, we're going to take care of certain chapters of our ordinance and go through. We're going to go through. this 157 or site plan review. We're just going to go through it, clean that portion up. And you guys just do that. We make those recommendations and we take those to our Council charter and ordinance team they review it and then art and then staff takes that and We basically just change it into the resolution language and make sure that we're doing all the codification procedures correctly And that's ideally how it would be working. I would love for our commissions to be more working commissions being able to do some of these things but Problem is all too often, I say this in other meetings, we try to make the sausage here tonight and we just don't have time or the environment to do that. So sometimes it has to be through working committees and you guys could create it as a group to say, hey, we have four volunteers. I think that's less than a quorum here, right? And then those people come back. They can't make decisions for the group, but they'll bring it back to the commission. The commission will review their work approve it to go to the next level so any did i say anything wrong okay let's make it sure maybe yeah councilman costco agenda for next month as well uh it sounds like we have two already volunteered I know a few people in this group are pretty pedantic, and I like it. So, like, those are the people we want in these ordinance reviews.

We're currently doing that in parks, so this is something I've been working on with them.

Yeah, they're going over our tree ordinance or tree board. So, you know, some other groups have already been working this for us.

Can we get the notes? Raise their hand.

Angelo.

Carl.

Carl.

Mm-hmm.

Blake Hero.

So this is just an ad hoc committee right now. It's an unofficial one. But at the next meeting, I would put it as an item on the agenda for official approval. You guys can meet ad hoc, but it's not official until you guys have it. I mean, you guys could do a unanimous vote to add it to the agenda tonight, to make it happen. But that would be the way to do it. All right. Thank you.

Very good. Let's move on to new business. Consideration for a site plan review and special land use for that property at 4049 Grange Hall Road. Parcel ID IH 0127151024. So are we able to do both of those parts together, or should we have separate motions for those? You should have separate motions for those. That's what I thought, yes. So I think we should start with the special land use first. OK. And because if we don't approve the land use, we don't have a site plan.

Do you want to do a presentation for us? Certainly. First of all, good evening. I know Manager Price introduced me previously, but my name is Wade Burkholder. I'm Senior Planner with Rural Professional Services. I look forward to a long tenure with you all and get to know you all and work with you all going forward. So that said, as mentioned, the request before us tonight is that 4049 Grange Hall Road. It's a special land use and site plan review. The applicant, for the record, is listed as Jennifer King of DEI Incorporated and or Richard Ladrick of RSL Commercial Architecture. They are authorized on behalf of Financial Plus Credit Union, the property owner, to represent them in this case. And the applicant is requesting special land use and site plan approval to construct a bank with multiple drive-throughs. The plan proposes constructing a new 2,580 square foot building with a parking lot for the building, landscaping, stormwater management, and a loading zone at this parcel. The zoning is commercial, and the surrounding zoning to this parcel is also commercial on the north, south, and west, and there's a manufacturing zone parcel to the east. There are in your ordinance eight standards for approval of a special land use. And I will go through those, give a summary of each one so we can consider that land use request as indicated first. So the first criteria is that the special land use will be consistent with the goals, objectives and future land use plan described in the villages master plan. And I do want to point out that the master plan and future land use does show the parcel as general commercial. So this request is in, uh, keeping with the goals and objectives of, uh, that particular portion of land use in your plans. Um, the current commercial zoning district, um, is intended to provide areas for commercial business that require greater land areas with increased vehicle vehicle. Sorry. accessibility and visibility than the neighborhood commercial or central business districts would otherwise provide. The area is most appropriate for the development of banks, shopping centers, automobile related businesses, chain stores and fast food restaurants. So in finding that the proposed special land use is in fact consistent with intent number one of the special land use standards, The second is the special land use is consistent with the stated intent of the zoning district. Again, we find that the proposed special land use is consistent with this intent. Uh, the project and use conforms with the intent of the commercial zoning district provided, which is to provide for a full range of business uses compatible that may not be compatible with residential and commercial uses in the Central Business District. It minimizes the hazards of highway commercial activity, encourages the clustering of similar retail and service establishments, it meets the minimum standards of health and safety by protecting against hazards, and encourages stable retail and service development in the district itself. The third criteria is that the special land use will be designated and operated and maintained to be compatible with the existing or intended character of the general vicinity. And it is noted that the use and project is designed to be compatible and complement the surrounding areas uses. The project will not have any negative effect on the general vicinity in which it's being proposed. Um, the, the proposal does not appear to be out of character. Uh, any offsite impacts will not impact any residential areas within the village itself. The fourth, the special land use will not significantly impact the natural environment. And it is noted that the current site is a grass site. Um, so the natural environments, uh, will be affected in a minor nature. There are no wetlands or other sensitive natural environments on the property. The fifth, that the project can be served adequately by public facilities and services, such as police and fire protection, drainage, water and sewer facilities. indicates that the utilities can be provided and the police and fire protection can be provided to the site adequately and thus meets the criteria number five. Six is that the proposed use shall be of a nature that will make vehicular and pedestrian traffic no more hazardous than is normal. taking into consideration vehicular turning, proximity in relationship to intersections, adequacy of site distance, location and access of off-street parking, and provisions for pedestrian traffic. And it is determined that the vehicular and pedestrian traffic will not be more hazardous than is typical of other properties and uses found within this district itself. The seventh is the proposed use shall be of the nature that the location and height of buildings, height of walls, fences and landscaping will not interfere with or discourage the appropriate development and use of adjacent land and buildings. The proposed building and drive through feature is not going to negatively impact the adjacent properties as We'll see what the site plan standards. There's adequate landscaping that fully exceeds what the ordinance requirements create. And there are provisions in there that all other engineering, stormwater management and such will be taken care of with construction drawings. So there does not appear to be any burden on neighboring parcels. The last standard for special land use approval is the proposed use shall be designated, located, planned, and operated to protect public health, safety, and welfare. And it is found that the proposed site and use shall not negatively affect the public health, safety, and welfare. There does not appear to be any threat to any of those three items for the village based on the ordinance requirements. So finding that the applicant does meet all eight standards for special land use approval, Planning staff would come to you with a recommendation of approval at this time and would be happy to stand for questions that anybody may have on the special land use.

Anybody have any questions?

No, I think it's correct. Last meeting we talked about the easement to a railroad and the parcel behind it. I think they've done everything right.

Mm-hmm. If there's no real comments, I would entertain a motion. And if you look on actually page 13, I believe, is a sample of the wording to use in this. I've typically done these, but chairing, I'm going to let somebody else learn. And do in the motion include the parcel ID information as well? Do I have someone that would venture to make the motion?

okay i'll do it good i think i got it i make a motion to approve i make a motion to approve the requested special land use permit for a bank with the drive-through located at 4049 grainshaw road parcel number is zero one dash two seven dash one five one dash zero two four based on the following findings of fact. The proposed special land use is consistent with this intent. It does not appear to be out of character for the general vicinity, and any offsite impacts will not impact residential areas. The proposed special land use will not have any impact on the natural environment. The project will be served adequately by public facilities and services such as police and fire protection, drainage structures, water and sewage facilities, and refuse disposal. The use and traffic patterns are normal and work well with the rest of the adjacent site uses. The proposed bank slash credit union with drive-thru will not negatively impact adjacent properties. The proposed special land use does not appear to pose any threat to the public health, safety, and welfare.

Very good.

I second that motion.

Very good. Motion by Everly, seconded by Cross. Any other discussion? This is the time where we open for public comment or discussion on this item. Seeing none, let's do a roll call, please.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Motion passes. We're over the first hurdle. He's sitting there kind of antsy about where this is going. So far, so good. We're halfway there, right? Thank you. So now let's look at the site plan review for this parcel.

Okay, thank you, Mr. Chair. So for the site plan portion of this, per the commercial zoning districts, uses permitted in the central business district are also allowed in the commercial district itself, which includes banks, savings and loan associations, credit unions, other financial and lending institutions by special land use. So that is sort of the background of why the request is before us. Moving on to building information, I mentioned earlier that this would be a new 2,580 square foot single story building the building proposes a wood look aluminum siding stone Ephus exterior insulation and finish system synthetic stone aluminum windows and metal canopy natural tone colors are proposed including gray white go brown and gray that's repeated there so you do have elevations in your packet showing the look of the building and Further continuing on with village design standards with regard to building mass, height, bulk, and width to height ratio must be similar in scale and proportion to buildings within 500 feet. You'll see on page three, the bullet points show that everything is complying with the requirements of the village design standards under section 157.198. One thing to point out is dormer windows are recommended in that language, but similar to other buildings in the area, dormer windows are not proposed with this particular construction. However, the building does appear to fit well within the character of the area. Moving on to building content. Buildings in the commercial districts should possess architectural variety. Again, this is at the top of page four of the staff report. Again, the bulleted points, the five of them that we see there, everything is meeting the architectural requirements for the village itself.

Absolutely glad requirements.

For windows and whatnot, yes. Yep. You had to.

I did.

Again, moving on to site improvements, landscaping and fencing, I did mention briefly that the site actually is exceeding the requirements of the ordinance. I am happy to discuss in detail any one of these if you so wish. But otherwise, you can see in my report the landscape plan does exceed ordinance requirements and everything is very well laid out with regard to parking lot landscaping, interior site landscaping, and street trees along public roads and so forth. Moving on to parking review, the use requires 13 parking spaces, including one barrier-free space, and the plan proposes 14 spaces, and one of those is barrier-free, so it is meeting that requirement. The stacking spaces for the drive-through windows requires four stacking spaces for each window, and the site plan is within compliance of this requirement. Due to the size of the building, one 10 foot by 50 foot loading zone is required. Again, the loading zone is provided in the rear yard and conforms to the ordinance and standards. Exterior lighting on the site, the light pole that is provided is decorative and is like the one provided in the ordinance with a height that does conform. We do have a photometric plan submitted in your packet. And the ordinance states that the light level shall maintain an average of one half foot candle over the entire area to be illuminated, but no more than 10 foot candles as measured three feet above the finished grade in any given area. Exemptions may be requested for areas with high commercial pedestrian or vehicular activity up to a maximum of 20 foot candles. And due to the nature of the bank and the vehicular activity that it generates, a recommendation that the Planning Commission grant a maximum of 20 foot candles is included with your draft motion at the end of the report. The trash enclosure is proposed with stone veneer adhered to concrete block with an eight inch base 11 feet four inches by 10 feet in size with metal gates and internal bollards which according to section 157.036 that is meeting the intent and requirements for trash enclosures Utilities stormwater for the site will utilize the existing stormwater collection area on an adjacent parcel. Formal easement documents will be needed and must be filed with the county. Sanitary is located across the street and will require directional bore to connect. And the site will tap into an existing water line in front of the site. We note that the village utilities director reviewed the plans and provided utility locations to the applicant. For that engineering review and this additional engineering requirements, it should be noted that all items must be incorporated into the final construction plans moving forward. And the applicant remains responsible for compliance with all regulatory agency requirements and any resulting project impacts that any of those requirements may bring up as they get more into the construction documents of that portion of the project itself. So with that, staff does bring forward a draft motion for you at the end for this site plan review. And again, I stand for any questions that anybody may have related to the site plan.

I do have one question. So earlier in the review, you had mentioned that there was something, please correct me if I'm wrong, but there was something about the windows. I think you mentioned something different.

Dormer style. Yeah.

Okay. That was different but acceptable based on what your recommendations were.

Based on the village design standards, it does mention that dormer windows are recommended. But looking at the other buildings in that area, there are no dormers.

So I guess one thing I like to ask when these things come up is, was there any previous precedent that was put forth?

It's not a requirement, it's a request, so it can't be enforced.

Okay.

Yeah. Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you, sir.

So one item that I saw, it was 69.4% was the pervious numbering. Yes, you may. Mm-hmm.

Good evening. Tim Zimmer with Livingston Engineering. Before I answer your question, I just want to thank you all for considering us tonight. And we have available some people with the architects, DEI, Tom and Jeff, and a gentleman from Financial Plus to also help answer any questions. I think the discrepancy between those two numbers is you'll notice on the back of the site, uh, there's a, there's an area that goes, there's a paving area that goes off onto the adjacent property that, that is going to be captured in the storm water, but is not part of the, within the interior of the, of the site.

Okay.

I think that might be the difference.

My concern was it's 69.4. It's very deliberate below the 70. I don't know what the requirements are for the 70, but it's not that much. As long as that's what it is, it's perfect.

Well, the engineering review and construction documents would verify those numbers as well once we get to that. So we would need to work with the designers to make sure that that 70% is the top.

I looked it up and that's like the equivalent of one parking spot they're at right now. So if there's any overage or anything, it would be really tight. and there's no concern with the i know we had water over at the manufacturing home community there's no concern with a new development going in and putting more water back toward there not according to the engineer reviews the retention pump in the back is capable for

Well, I'll just say that Livingston

We credit Jeremy and his team for guiding us through the process.

Anyone else?

Looks like a good building.

I just want to say my only concern is about all of the things that still need to be approved, utilities, all the things you're going to have to take care of, just because of that area back there is cements falling in and it just looks kind of ratty. And when it rains, it looks even worse. So if you can get that all figured out, who's responsible. I noticed there was a grinder pump that somebody is going to have to have their name to. That's all big stuff. So it's still got a lot of work.

Anyone else from the public like to make comment on this property? If not, I'll look for one last opportunity for comment here and then ask for a motion.

And just looking at the facade design, I thought it was very tasteful. So thank you to all that were involved in the design of this building.

And First Financial for investing in our community. Okay.

You want to do it again? I'll do it. It's, yeah, the fairy. This is a big, this is a long list, too, so.

All right. I am making a motion to approve the site plan for the Financial Plus Credit Union located at 4049 Grange Hall Road, project number 25175-2, parcel number 0127151024. Plans dated March 30th, 2026, along with the other submitted plans based on the following findings of fact. The project meets the site plan approval criteria set forth in Section 157.197 of the ordinance consistent with the findings outlined in the Rowe Professional Services Memorandum dated May 13, 2026. Further, in order to ensure compliance with these standards, the following conditions are part of my motion to approve. Due to the nature of the bank and vehicular activity, a maximum of 20-foot candles should be granted by the Planning Commission. The plans be revised prior to construction review to incorporate the comments on the letter dated March 26 from Doug Scott of Rowe Professional Services Company. The applicant shall obtain all required permits, approvals, and inspections prior to construction, including but not limited to approvals from the County Road Commission, Building Department, County Drain Commission, the SESC, and or Michigan Department of Transportation, MDOT, as applicable.

Very nice. I second that motion. Very well said.

I saved up for that.

Thank you. Very good. So we have a motion by Everly, seconded by Cross. Any last discussion? Then I call for a roll call, please.

Everly?

Yes. Carl?

Yes.

Cross?

Yes. Motion passes.

Very good.

Yes. Thank you.

Absolutely.

Was that as painless as you had hoped? Very good, let's move on to item B.

Chair, if you don't mind. I would ask that this item be postponed until next meeting because of a couple statements that were made by the applicant. We'll have you come up and comment in a moment Most importantly a signature that they are in agreement with this lot split combination and that they are willing to take on If we waited 36 years, another month isn't going to derail this project or cause any more complications. And then we're making sure all the boxes are checked, we're doing the right thing, and we're not making any mistakes, peacefully, by the pressure of a rush. As we've known before, I've been here 14 years. In the 14 years, we've encountered numerous lot splits and combinations that all have gone to want to make sure we're doing things the right way not only for the applicant but more importantly for the I don't think so. And even if they did, that would still be an administrative approval. We're still going to require the same documentation, whether on approval. litigation right now and that she put her vote on the property and is not being very cordial we want to make sure that we have recorded documentation notarized documentation

It seems like when it was sold, everything was filed in the county or whatever, just not the village. Is that the case? Yes.

So... She's begging me. Hold on, please.

Yeah, we'll have our discussion and then we'll ask the applicant to speak.

So if the village is the only place that this thing isn't addressed, why can't we rely on... what's already been turned into the county or whatever government entity that is not the village has already accepted this part.

I've been in contact with Ben Griffin who is the township assessor. Okay. He is the one that requested this to come to the planning commission. Okay. However, there was some information that has a discrepancy ENF contradict one another. I don't think Van was aware of those things. On top of the application did not show the neighbor's signature on that. So there are a couple little fine details

We don't know. On a personal note, they were my dad's neighbor until he died for 33 years. I'm kind of familiar with how their lines are. And they've dated. Everybody forgot. So if their neighbor, the one they're having an interview with, says, I don't want to sign anything.

whatever it is, years, is that something wasn't done right, and that's why we're here today. And I am not comfortable today making sure that it's right with what's presented in front of us right now. Another 30 days delay making sure that we're doing our due diligence and double checking is no... At this point the taxes are still all combined to correct I

Which means that it really hasn't been filed that way in the county either. Correct. Okay. No. The opposite. The opposite?

If she's paying taxes and she owns the property, it never was recorded as a split.

Correct.

They never did this process. Sorry.

And so it's never been counted in the county either.

I misunderstood. I thought she said she was paying the taxes on the whole frame. She is. She is. And if you split the property, you still will be, right? No, she'll be taking that decrease. I guess I'm misunderstanding. I thought you were here because you owned the property already and the people were using it and you just wanted to have it recorded like it should be.

I think that's it. Hold on. I know. One other item. Would that be pre-existing non-conforming?

No, because we just moved a lot.

Because we just moved a lot.

So that's another process. Potentially that would have to be done depending on where the line falls.

I think all of us right now, we should just pause. Right. We're throwing a lot of hypotheticals in here. I would please base our recommendation on staff. Let staff do the due diligence. to the board with all the facts and findings I apologize that we're not prepared, but we were misunderstood by what we were presented

I'm gonna give you an opportunity to speak at this time and then I think I know What motion to make and so I will probably make it myself We have been great neighbors for 33 years I

The fence was put there when that slot was split. There is no sheds. There's no anything. The fence is where it's always been for 33 years. That's not going to change. There's 15 foot in their yard. that gave them access to put their boat in, which continues into their yard. We've never disputed any of that. There's no arguments. There's no nothing. There's no court litigation. She got an attorney because she felt it was just automatically her property. It can't be because my mortgage company has a lien on it. So we had to do, and that's why she got an attorney. I've been working great with the attorneys, so they got the appraiser, we got the survey, we got all that stuff done. Nothing is going to change. My neighbor wants to get this done just as much as I do because that's a big resale value for her house because she has a seawall that ends at that 15 foot, so they wouldn't be able to put their boat in and out. It's like we both want this done. And she's talked to Ben. Ben, she called Ben last week. I talked to Ben. Ben's like, he said he came down here and got the paperwork, and you guys told him they couldn't be split. And he said he had to tell you guys, yes, it can be split. So that's when he got this, he added it to this agenda today because he knew we'd been trying to get this done for so long. So he said, Sherry, everything's all set. I talked to your neighbor. She's, you know, we all want it just done. Nobody's in litigation. Nobody's in whatever. I got upset with her because she was taking so long to get the survey. Then she took forever to get the appraisal. I'm like, Sherry. Let's get this done. Because I'm just giving it to her. I don't care. We just want to be neighbors and get it over with. But nothing is going to change. There's not one thing that's going to change on our property.

Right.

And I have a million texts here that show Cheryl's agreeing to this. Cheryl's agreeing to that. I have pictures of this. I have everything right on my phone if you want to see it.

Yes, I do think that having a notarized document that goes in a file more than a text message is going to be very helpful.

You don't know how upsetting this is. I've been trying to get this done for so long. I'm not the first person to ask for a lot split in this town.

I don't know what the big deal is. Let's make sure that we're actually doing it properly though because another thing that just entered my mind as we're thinking about this it's more than just a split because now you've got to join that piece to the other property which means that she needs to be in on that as well and so it is it is two processes and so

I think there's... Ben has explained to me that when he gets your approval, he... Ben works for the township, not for the village. But he's the assessor that makes this change.

Right. We are the village that operates the change. Ben is the executor that does it at the county level.

Right. So when you approve it and you have him make the change...

When you approve it, then we give permission for Ben to make the change.

I'm not sure why you're being so kind of nasty to me for some reason.

It's not. There is a level that I agree that we need to be sure we're following. Um, and, um, usually a lot split creates a new lot.

Yeah. So it's going to, because they're a lot eight, we're nine and 10. So they'll just be eight and 10, but they'll have different boundaries. That's it.

Okay. But when you split it from yours, then that 15 feet is its own property. No, it's which doesn't conform to anything.

No. What? Oakland County will create two new parcel numbers with two new property lines. Right. And that they will have all of this property and I'll have all of that property.

Yes. Which means that she needs to do something to join that property to hers. We've already done the surveys and the appraisals for both. But the surveys, it's just like us approving a lot split. It's approving a lot. a lot joining as well, if I'm not mistaken.

That's what it is in the survey.

It says it's going to be two spots. Right.

The survey already draws it out.

So it's moving the lot line.

So it is a lot split which conforms to a lot combination. It is one for two. So Richard, you are kind of right, but it will not create a non-existing parcel. Once this lot split is recorded, it automatically goes as a lot combination. Don't you need something?

So don't you need something from me then, too? Because I'm giving her 15 foot that I don't have to be giving her. See, that's the thing. Right at the beginning, I could have just said, oh, well, too bad, so sad. I'm moving the fence over. But I'm trying to be the good guy, and now I'm... But I'm trying to be the good guy, and I'm stuck doing all this.

And you're doing great. Yeah, you are.

I know. I tried to be the good guy, and I'm the one going through all this hell.

We're needing to take another step before we do that.

My concern, too, is if I could just give someone property without their permission, who knows what could be potentially buried under the property or something.

You just need something. Let's, yeah.

Yeah. That's what we're looking for.

And if the property line is going to the fence, you will need to go to the ZBA provided the sheds are within five feet of the fence.

It's based on the road frontage. So if you have 80 feet of road frontage, accessory structures have to be five feet. If you have more than 80 feet of road frontage, proper accessory structures have to be nine feet from the property line.

The shed is on our property. It's been there for- It's on right now.

It's been there for three years. So when that property line changes, it's going to up the shed.

The fence has been there for 33 years.

Let me talk to you afterwards. It's not that we don't want it to happen, but I think we have... at least one more document that we need.

I know, but now they're talking about sheds and me having to move my sheds. If that's the case, she's not getting the 15 foot and you guys just screwed my neighbor because I'm not going to keep doing this.

Okay. Yeah. So this is ridiculous. I am going to make a motion to postpone this item for one month to be brought to the next meeting with, um, the administration assisting in making sure that all necessary paperwork is ready and provided to us for that time. That's his job is to assist her. That's in the motion.

That administration will assist in making sure that all of the proper paperwork exists.

So how am I going to know then if you're going to...

He'll contact you tomorrow morning. He's very knowledgeable. He'll get it done.

I know. I talked to him a year ago. I called him right at the very start of this and asked him what I needed to do. And it's been a year and four months.

Also, because the surveys weren't done, there's other actions that were not.

We have a half motion on the floor. I need a second. Second. Second by Koskala. Let's do a roll call, please.

Hopper. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Motion passes. Thank you. Moving on to item B under new business. Discussion of the zoning map. The last time I was looking at this, I had a magnifying glass out for this. I think we can.

So close I know it's frustrating.

Okay.

Everybody ready?

Yeah, I was going to say. Yes. I know Mr. Orkowski isn't here this evening.

Yes, that's kind of what I had thought we would do with that is each individual that submitted some things and if somebody says something that's already on your list, go ahead and cross it off because you don't need to duplicate our conversation. I'm going to go ahead and start with Charlene.

Okay, I'll start because I was curious about What I was curious about was the southwest corner of the village, the area of La Grande Street. We always call that Baptist Hill. And there's a lot of multifamily in there. And boy, especially on the west side of La Grande Street, that's really all just swamp. And then if you go to the next street over, it's coming down from Academy Road. That is that little bridge that goes back to that man's house.

That's never going to be multifamily.

So just to ask the question maybe then on what several is mentioned Are we

in what we are doing, considering making changes to some of these like this that probably should not be what they are?

Anytime we change the zoning map, it's going to require public hearing. These are just, we're having dialogue, discussion about this. If the Planning Commission agrees that these changes need to be made, we're going to make these changes through Roe. Roe will create a new updated map, and then we'll do a public hearing and have one of our future multiple ones. So we want to encompass everything into one. So because every time we do a public hearing or a public notice like that, it does cost the village some money. So we want to try to save as much as we can during that process.

So at this point, what we are doing is creating a list. For a row. For a row of things to bring back to us for a map review.

This could be a several meeting process, right? Yes. This is just the... The people that did submit those comments to us, if the commission agrees with those comments, Roe will formulate those comments back into the map. If the map at the next meeting or meeting in the future is copacetic, then we will create a public hearing and then adopt the new zoning map with those listed changes. If that makes sense.

If you have my list. The other thing I had was across from the fireball. The donut shop there, there's some manufacturing. Of donuts.

Of donuts?

I know it was a gas station back in the day. No, I don't know where that is as well.

I think it should be purple.

Okay. Because it's the only one that's not the right color. I think it should be. I don't see.

It's this green.

Yeah, yeah, okay. That's what I was thinking.

And so what is on that property?

It's the donut shop.

That is the donut shop?

Mm-hmm.

Oh, yep. It's listed because it was a gas station years ago. Yeah. before any of us were here.

I think me included.

So one item I found while looking at the last applicant, Bevins Drive doesn't actually exist. It's Bevins Drive. But there's an S on all of our maps. And the lake is an S. So does that need to be changed?

It does say one of the two. So on Google, it says street. It says Bevan Street. But in the county, it says Bevan. And on the tax record, it says Bevan Street.

That that's something that we can double check. It's an easy fix either way. We'll verify what the actual official street You don't have a you don't have like a general utilities Hey guys, let's keep our conversation together.

Thank you. I

Ms. Everly is still going on here.

So we're addressing delta tube and file that she made on her notes here. The water tower is confirmed residential.

See, this is where I get all moved up. It makes it look like North Broad Street goes up forever. Yeah, it doesn't.

And then those got changed.

Those look like those are okay. Manufacturing and manufacturing. It's over here.

Yes. It's right at the railroad tracks.

It's the railroad tracks, right?

Yeah. Maybe we could use a different delineation for that.

This one's the township, so it's got to be that one. Yeah, yeah, okay. Sorry, I'm trying to. That must be a river or a creek or something. Yeah, so they own this and that. Someone else's. Okay. The storage unit.

Oh, yeah. That's the storage unit.

Mm-hmm. And she said delta tube is this one back here. Okay. That's all manufacturing, right? Yeah.

Okay. Mr. Koskala, did you have anything else then?

No, sir. Okay. Mr. Early, were you still...

Next, do you have anything?

Yeah, I had a few comments, but honestly, I should have kept flipping pictures because I put addresses and notes. And now I'm looking at this drawing and drawing a blank on which parcel these were exactly.

Was that right here? Yes.

Yeah, that's that corner up there is the first one. It's on Quick Roads.

And then are you using the ones that we just gave you tonight from Rome? Because there are some bubbles.

that says zoning correction, that means they'll be changed to that other classification. Okay. Thank you. And then the other one's multifamily. Okay.

Do you have another one?

I don't know if I have that sheet because I was targeted, so.

Do you want these? Yeah. Go ahead.

Just the packet of the small version.

I thought we had two already.

I might have just lost them to my staff.

I might have taken yours too.

Now we have lots of paperwork all over.

I was going to say, yeah. So you had like Scooter's Coffee on here.

Scooter's Coffee is part of...

Then you had positive care too.

I think that's the other note.

611 Saginaw. Is that what you were asking here was positive care was zoned residential?

Yeah, it's zoned I think single family on the map and it's on the map.

Which one? Which positive? 611 North Sag.

The one by the lake. Yes. Inside the lake.

I think someone does live in the other one.

Yes. They live in that. It looks kind of like a house. I think they live on the second floor. I know they bought another piece

I do not see that on here. Wouldn't you agree it's this one?

I think I see what you're saying. Yeah, right there. Any dispute address? 611 North Saginaw. Okay.

Yeah. Right next to the lake, right?

611. Okay. 611. Yeah, I think that's it. Or is it the small one?

Don't let me keep looking at this. Right behind the police station.

Because I see this big one.

And then I see that tiny little one. It says 607.

This one says 607.

But does someone live next to that? That's the one right next to it. Oh, really?

Yes. OK.

They're both houses.

The positive care property is listed as R1B or shaded as R1B.

So I think what it is, though, is I don't think that's it. I think what it is is there's a part of the village-owned property you're seeing, that sliver.

So what the village- Not when you look at his- Well, I just was looking at a property map. His property map.

And if you look, so there is, you're talking about the village, but that tiny little rectangle is labeled as 611 North Saginaw Street. Check this out.

I'm glad you guys are here.

Because I'm pretty sure when I've looked, I think they're the tiniest little pieces.

Good find.

Yeah, I was going off yours. I was like. I'm glad I'm not losing my mind. Well, no, you still made me. I was just down for like an hour, and I was starting to go a little goofy. That's how I feel about the tree. It's fine. Okay. Sorry.

That's okay.

I'm all set.

Yes, it's commercial, yep.

Looks nice now.

Whose property was that? Whose house was that? The Gouda's house?

Yeah.

I remember when we changed it.

And they sold it.

Anything from you?

OK.

Very good. So at the speed of government. We get to do it. It's moving forward. That's the point. Let's jump to reports then. And anybody from ZBA?

DDA.

Arches are going up, I know that. I don't know that.

They're repairing some drainage. Oh, good. At the end of... That's why the end of Battle Alley is all torn up currently. Well, we're trying to get it back.

We're writing an order for the businesses for this weekend for art in the alley.

Oh, yes. That's our goal.

We're trying very, very hard. We are aware of the events. We're trying to have all the safeguards in place so that it can be an enjoyable atmosphere.

I mean, just call it an art display. Modern...

I saw some little kids playing with the cones there. There you go. Yeah.

Cones and wine. Council report.

So I don't know if there's anything major going on right now. Budget. Oh, yeah, budget.

Budget season. Yep.

I don't think of anything else.

Andy mentioned looking at road millage.

I haven't heard any, I mean, there's not been any public discussion about anything major about that. So it's all, I think I'll open the air right now. I haven't heard anything official about that.

I've seen a post.

Yeah. All up in the air. Nothing official. Um, the, we are going to be doing something with, I kept, I keep saying water rates. We're working on water rates. Hopefully soon. So hopefully before the budget's all done, we'll, we'll have, um, discussions on our lawyers, a new accounting firm, or an auditing firm for sure, and I think the auditing firm will save us like 40 grand a year based on what we're currently paying. I think that's it, I don't know.

Yeah, anything over there?

So we're supposed to have a meeting this week on the water rates to present some recommendations to council.

Good, okay. Ms. Everly, I'm gonna start with you for council comments.

Okay. Commissioner comments. First of all, I want to thank Carol and Lisa. I'm not sure who's putting the notices of public hearings in the newspapers, but they're comprehensive and you can actually tell what they're about. So thank you very much. I appreciate it. And I'm sure the people that read them appreciate it. The next things I have are just questions. Update on the Dickens Festival property, non-conforming next to the timber cannabis place. Update on the depot, because I've heard that it's going to come before us at some point. And the third thing was the update on the turn lane at Saginaw and Grange Hall, and I know that's the road commission, but it's been years. Well, no, because that was supposed to,

today we were misled as well we thought the approvals were already in place we were approached by oakland county road commission i believe it was within the last 30 days and i would be hopeful if it was completed by the end of this year but i'll be i'm looking at it probably extending their temporary ceo it's not marathon actually they uh tried to switch it up a little bit and said they were going to do a Take it for what you want, but ultimately, I would be shocked if it is completed by the end of this year. Realistically, I think it's going to be a spring project. is gonna go from here, but.

Well, I'm really proud of the job that we did with the timber cannabis because it looks wonderful. And now it just kind of makes the other things not shine, so. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

Mr. Pasquale.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Another shout out to Mr. and Mrs. Mills for another project before us, I think. I think we've seen a few of them with their houses and developments. And I think he was here today making sure this project went through too. So I think Holly's lucky to have someone. I don't even think he lives in Holly.

Oh, he does live in Holly now? He has a couple properties. OK. He's hoping to move into his new home area.

Right. But I think Holly's lucky to have someone that does want to see not just small projects through, but big projects and improve. So I think we're lucky to have them. The code enforcement, I think people on council have received nasty gram letters on stuff that they've been doing or junk that they've had around. So if there are other people in their community that are not following ordinances, I think everybody should be treated fairly too.

I don't know if I have anything else.

But everyone's doing great work. Oh, one other item. There was a project that came before us previously, and I reached out after a meeting to talk to the applicant. And I did update, and I said, hey, I talked to the applicant. Basically I said that because it was my understanding we shouldn't reach out independently and say anything because we're making decisions about that. So regarding the applicant that was here today, it's my understanding that we should not reach out to them privately because they're gonna be coming in front of us again anyway. So even though we wanna help, it may not be, best for us to contact.

This person. The lot split.

Or I think it's anything because then they can say well you told me this and then the commissioners are learning stuff that other commissioners aren't learning so just keep that in mind.

I'll go inspect but I don't let anybody know who I am or why I'm there.

Well everyone knows because you show up in a weird wig and a big sunglasses.

We went past DDA, but was there any more discussion or any more news? I think it was a few months ago they had that parking lot proposal come through. It was that they were applying for a grant for it. I was just wondering if there was any more discussion or news about that. Which one? I didn't know there was more than one. There was one that was proposed. The going from roughly, I think it's behind the middle building, I think it was. And it stretched along the trail road. Okay.

Just curious. My biggest concern with that Ivo stop work order. There's a drain that runs onto the railroad.

So maybe more, more at a later date. Okay. Um, the second thing I'll just say, um, you know, I'm, I'm happy that we all, uh, tonight, uh, you know, decided to kind of push something for 30 days. I think that was the right decision. I'll say it happens all the time. You know, uh, obviously it can feel pretty bad. It just happened to me at work. We have a, a couple hundred million dollar project in a rural community. It's making ethanol. It's a plant we're putting in. We're like, got everything lined up. We signed the agreement to develop it. And we're going for approval so we can start digging, right? We're on a timeline. Gotta get this in, lights turned on, 2027, right? That's pretty short for an industrial project. They canceled the meeting because they don't have a quorum. Why? Everyone's planting corn right now. Are you kidding me?

Are you guys kidding me?

But you do? Yes? So all I'm saying is 30 days, it feels like a lot, but in the grand scheme of things, these things happen, right? They happen all the time. It's not personal. It's not personal. That's what I want to say. Everyone's really excited about that project. It's going to get done.

Mr. Cross, or Carl, Mr. Cross.

Thank you for that. As this is my first time here, it was being a part of that, right? So I appreciate your insight. I just want to thank Sherilyn for providing me with some information prior to starting. I think if you don't have a copy of this, this is a good thing to start with, just that handbook regarding planning commissioning. It's like a municipal league. I think it's helpful if you're looking for a starting point, maybe not end all, be all, but just saying that that's something if you don't have, you should check out. But other than that, I look forward to working with everyone here. Thank you.

And please contact me with any questions directly.

Yes, I took your card. So when I stopped it, I'm like, he's the person I need to have to. So, yep.

Yes. Is mainly around the Sherman.

was that the type of vehicles that we're seeing go down the road from the commercial area with the school buses, there's tree services that are operating that are around there. My concern is that what we're putting on these roads in this area has drastically increased in that neighborhood. And whatever we do to fix those roads for the future

when they engineer or design these roads

Yeah, I was just going to say they're weight rated. The weight of the vehicles dictates the construction and the base and all of that. So whatever land uses are around there, they're going to weight. That's one of the criteria they're going to use, what kind of vehicle weight there is and so forth. I'd also say, well,

we're not anticipating very heavy electric cars. So we're seeing roof or parking deck collapses across the nation because of the weight of these electric cars. So not only, you know, an EV car may be comparable to a school bus in weight. So just keep that in mind that when you see that Tesla drive-by or that EV blazer or whatever

It's not just the semis and so forth that are coming from the commercial district. I think it's probably about four times plus

and then just cover that up, we're going to replace that entire infrastructure so that we're setting our community up for success for generations, not just a temporary band-aid.

Well, thank you. The last item I just want to say is just welcome all the new faces. Thank you. Welcome to the club, everybody. I just want to thank you guys for accepting me into the group and I'm looking forward

Thank you.

And I wanted to welcome as well all of the newer people. This is, I think Mr. Koskola and I are the only, not Koskola, Okonski and I are the only ones who have. Yeah, he's close to 20 years, I think. I'm nearing 10, I think, so. But it's nice to see transition. The interaction, I think, is good. I felt good about the interaction we had tonight. And thank you for everyone's input on things. One question I think I might have is the Synergy factory or the storage. No, it's asphalt or something.

Premier.

Are they still, they're parking a bunch of vehicles outside of the fence.

Yeah, I'm working with them. That'll also be a code enforcement action, it looks like, due to lack of compliance. So I'm trying to get people to benefit. Yeah. But ultimately, it's probably going to come down to support action. So I would ask for your patience on that one as we... For compliance.

And then I saw 601 has added a second garage.

That's an accessory structure that's allowed. That doesn't need cyclanum removal. That's allowed by ordinance to be approved administratively.

Initially, when I drove by, I thought, that's pretty close to the fence. But the fence actually is not at the lot line, I don't think. that goes up by the track.

The one that runs east and west is, but not the one that runs north and south. Yeah.

Very good.

And it's a quarter. Yes. So it changes the setbacks a little bit. Yep. Chair, I do have one comment for the new members. As always, please feel free to reach out. But even for our seasoned members, please remember everything goes through the chair. If you have a question for somebody in the audience, myself, please raise your hand. The chair will address you. Let's just try to look professional when we have a full house like that. Like in school, raise your hand, the chair will address you, and then we'll continue on with that. So just etiquette, please. Thank you.

Thank you. We saw how easily that got away from us today.

I wanted to let everybody know where we're at with that. It has now, we've got all the signatures that we needed and everything has now been turned over to the Oakland County Water Resource Commission. And they supposedly this week we're gonna start doing the lake level study. So there'll be people around and airplanes and all kinds of things figuring out what the water level should be. Then the next step will be that they'll put dollar figure to what it's gonna take to get us back up and running. And then we'll go to the circuit court. And that's where any individuals who will be assessed to pay for this will have an opportunity to either stand up and support or not want it to happen. So hopefully we'll be seeing some activity around the Mill Pond here in the next few months.

Great, great, good. Carol? With that, we don't have anyone for a last public comment. So I will adjourn the meeting at 6.10, 8.10. I wish it was 6.10. 8.10. I can't see the clock up there. The glare is in the wrong place.