Planning - Regular Meeting

We're going to go ahead and start as soon as the timer is on. Okay. We're gonna go ahead and start the meeting at 06:34. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance and the invocation.

Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Let's pray. Heavenly father, Lord, we thank you for this day, Lord. We pray that we don't take it for granted and to take it lightly. That in this day, Lord, we ask for your blessing over this meeting and ask us, we're asking for wisdom and understanding for all the agenda items. We ask that you watch over us. We ask ask also, Lord, watching over the citizens of Asperia. We pray over them and also for emergency responders who work so tirelessly and put their selves in harm's way. So, Lord, be with us in your son, Jesus Christ. Holy name we pray. Amen?

Amen.

Roll call.

Chair Roger

Abreo.

Here.

Vice chair Sophie Stino.

Here.

Commissioner Dahlberg.

Here.

Commissioner Earl Hodson. Here. Commissioner Timothy Ammann?

Here.

Okay. Organ reorganization of the planning commission or commissioners. So do we discuss or do we just do motion? How does that process?

You may do it either way. If someone would like to make a motion, you can make a motion and then discuss the motion. Otherwise, if you'd like to have some discussion first, that's your prerogative.

Okay, thank you. Anyone want to have discussion prior to motion?

I'd make the motion that the existing Chair and Vice Chair stands.

I'll second that.

You can go ahead and vote if it allows you to. Okay,

I will take a verbal then. Go ahead, Commissioner Dauberk.

Yes.

Commissioner Hudson?

Yes.

Commissioner Breo?

Yes.

Vice Chair Sino?

Yes.

Commissioner Amin?

Yes.

Motion passes.

Awesome. Thank you. Public comments. Any person wishing to address the Planning Commission should complete a white card and hand it to the clerk. Comments are to be limited to three minutes and should concern only the topics within the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission. Any person who would like to comment upon an agenda item should reserve their comments until the public hearing or public comment period is called for that item. Please remember that the Planning Commission is prohibited from considering or taking any action on any issue not previously noticed in the agenda. We are now opening the public comment period at 06:38. Do we have any comment cards?

I have no comment cards, Chair. I also wanted to do, let you know that we do have a revision to the agenda.

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Alright. So, with that being said, we're going to close the comment period 06:38 noting the revision to the agenda.

So the revision will be removing item four, up right after, voting of the minutes and then we have a slight typo on item two which will be on the resolution and we'll go ahead and change that, at a later time.

Okay. So it'll be item one, then four, then two and three?

Correct. One, four, then two and three.

Perfect. Alright. So with that being said, we'll move on to the consent calendar. Consideration of the Planning Commission draft minutes from the the following meeting on 09/11/2025.

I'll second.

Is your voting screen coming up? No? Okay. I'll take a verbal please. Commissioner Dale?

Yes.

Commissioner Hudson? Yes. Commissioner Abreu?

I have to abstain. I did not attend that meeting.

Commissioner Ahman?

Yes.

And Vice Chair Sino?

Yes.

Motion passes four-one.

All right. Moving to Item four. Specific plan amendment, SPLA 20 five-one five-one and revised tentative track map number 18955 TTR 20. Do we

So before we begin this item, I need to make a few remarks if that's okay.

Absolutely. So

Bethany Burgess with the city attorney's office. Tonight, we do have three planning commissioners who have a financial interest that is required to be disclosed under the California government code. And because we have three commissioners, we had kind of a unique situation that means that one of the three commissioners needs to actually participate in order to maintain a quorum to take action on the item, meaning that one commissioner is legally required to participate. And I will let each planning commissioner announce their or make their disclosure of their financial interest. But prior to doing so, for the two there's one planning commissioner who has a business interest in the project, and so that commissioner will recuse himself completely.

There are two planning commissioners who have a real estate interest within 500 feet of the project. And so for those two commissioners, we flipped a coin. And Commissioner Stino will participate in the discussion and the vote. And Commissioner Omens will step out and recuse himself. But before we do that, we'll let the commissioners disclose their interest.

So I'll be recusing myself from the agenda item four, specific plan amendment SPLA 20 five-one for real property owned within 500 of the track map.

And it is your personal residence, correct?

Personal residence, correct.

And my personal residence is also at 17055 Las Lunas which is off of Farmdale.

And then?

I'm a general contractor, Bella Ranch Development, and it's a business entity conflict.

Thank you. So the two commissioners are recusing themselves may leave the room. We may begin the discussion or presentation.

Alright. Good evening, chair and planning commissioners. So today, we're gonna begin the presentation slightly different. We have Bethany here, our community development manager, which is going to give a full overview of several projects before we begin into the request for the applicant. Sorry.

Thank you. Good evening Chair, Vice Chair and Commissioner. I'm Bethany Hudson, your Community Development Manager here at the City of Asperia. Tonight, I am going to go over just an overview of the Silverwood development project. I'll go over an introduction of the project, project phasing so you guys kind of get a clear understanding of where the project is, a status update of where we are within phase one of the project, and some items that are going to be coming before you in the near future.

So just a quick introduction, this project was approved by City Council in January 2016. That approval included the adoption of the Environmental Impact Report, the Specific Plan, and three tentative track maps. Here is a map of the full project overview. The overall project built out in completion will will have 15,663 homes, over 9,365 total acres. As you can see on this map, with all the green area, there will be a total of approximately 4,900 acres of open space and parks implemented into this project, as well as approximately 700,000 square feet of commercial.

The project consists of a total of nine phases, with Phase one currently under construction, which includes 2,097 units. Here is the summary of Phase one, as you can see within the colors. Most of the pink area is under construction within this current phase. There are subsequent phases within Phase one that will be going under construction in the near future, including the green portions that are closer to Ranchero Road and Farmdale Avenue, as well as the blue portions that will extend and connect to Phase two of the project in the future. So to go over Phase one milestones with you guys, we have installed approximately 13.6 miles of infrastructure within Phase one.

That includes also four flood control and water quality control basins. There is five plus miles of streets base paved and two miles of walking paths. Some of the community benefits that the phase one of the project has reached is Fire Station three zero six is fully operational off Ranchero Road. We have a total of six pocket parks permitted within that pink phase one area that I showed you on a previous slide, as well as one neighborhood park that is permitted. The Street Of Dreams area, which is over where the model homes are located, the Welcome Center is open to the public, and the Village Green Park And Amphitheater have been constructed and they are holding community events in that area.

We have five builders and 21 model homes and approximately two seventy single family residential permits pulled as of

today. The

builders that have come on board are Woodside Homes, Watt Capital Developers, Lennar, Kay Hovnanian Homes, and Richmond American Homes. So coming soon, you guys will see coming before you in the near future an update to the specific plan, an update to the programmatic environmental impact report, and approval of new tentative track maps and conditions of approval for the Phase two portion of this project. And with that, I will turn it over to Edgar so he can go through the revisions that are before you tonight.

Thank you.

Alright. Thank you, Beth. So tonight, we're doing a specific plan amendment for the TAPA specific plan, which is now known as Silverwood, and then revisions to the tentative track map on 01/1955. So this is our land use. Can I use see it with both presentation?

Just good kind of to show you the overview of of Silverwood and specifically point out just in red there that that's just the area where they're modifying which is phase one. Again, this you saw this map already, but just pointing out this kind of amendments that we're doing, they're done through area phase one b and area phase one c. So, there's no any modifications to area one phase one a. So, these are some of the changes or they're proposing three changes as part of the specific plan amendment. The first change there, you can see on the kind of southwest corner of of the map.

So they're changing, which is called area Planning Area 42. There are Lot 18. They're merging it into Planning Area 41 or Lot 30. So, they're getting rid of that lot area and they're merging that planning Area 42 towards that zone. So, at the bottom, you can kind of see close-up there with a circle that they're merging that and it's gonna it's going from medium density, allows, like, 2,900 square foot homes to now low medium density, will be 5,000 square foot homes, which is pretty much their the density before allowed for more homes.

Now, their density is going up. So, it's not allowing as much of homes in there as before. But they're expanding, so they are adding additional homes based on the expansion. If you look at now Lot 43, which is our Planning Area 43, Lot 19, they're doing the same thing with Planning Area 10, which used to be a park there. And now, they're removing the park and they're expanding that and they're merging that to become 43, expanding again, Southwest.

So, they're moving the park as eventually during phase two. The school that you see there is going to be relocated. And while the school being relocated, the park will be moved as well. So that's why they're getting rid of that park. Jumping out to the West Side, which is Planning Area 14. That or Lot 23, that one is staying the same. It's just gonna be the zone is just going to change from low density to low medium density, which is going from 7,200 square foot homes to now 5,000 square foot homes. So, the density is increasing. So, those are the land use changes as part of the specific plan amendment for this proposal. We also have changes to the tenant track map one eight nine five five.

There's a lot of changes here. I kind of put some of the maps to show you the existing layout and proposed layout so you can see some of those changes. First, we're looking at Planning Area 30, which is Lot 15. So, you can see the existing layout versus the proposed layout down there. They're adding a park. The water quality basin is changing slightly south. And again, they're reconfiguring some of the streets as well well as the lots. That planning area is changing from it used to be a 109 lots. It's it's staying the same as a 109 lots. The reconfiguration is not increasing the number of lots.

If you jump down to the boundary area in green, is Planning Area 29, Lot 14, again, they're doing kind of similar. They're reconfiguring some of the lots. It's slightly expanding to the west, adding a park, a pocket park in the middle, as well as kind of creating this island of single family lots in between. That one's going from 72 lots to 96 lots which they're increasing the lots in the area. Now, jumping to area 28 twenty eight, lot thirteen.

There also you can see that reconfiguration of lots in between adding the pocket park and having those islands for single family which is going from one zero six to 98. So, this is all part of one phase one b. This is kind of south of that area that I show you which is under phase one b as well. Again, reconfiguration, I won't go in detail on every single thing but you could kind of see the similar reconfiguration between the lots, adding the pocket parks, expanding some of the land of the space of those lots and planting areas. If you see lot Area 42, that's that's pretty much part of the land use amendment that we're doing, which you can see they used to be the future medium residential.

Now, they're expanding. So, they're creating additional lots as well as the Port Port area that you see, which was planning Area 43. They're getting rid of that part, which is planning Area 10 and they're expanding. So, you see some of those zones are being reconfigure. They're reducing some of the lots and some of them are increasing based on the reconfiguration of the planning areas. This is jumping to planning of phase one c. So they're doing three lots in here. If you look at Planning Area 14, Lot 23, they're reconfiguring that. This is part of the land use amendment that we're doing. Again, this is going from low to now low mediums.

So you can see the increase of lots that they're adding as well as the pocket parks and reconfiguration of the streets. So this is substantially adding some of the lots in here. I jumped down to Planning Area 16 And 15. Again, you can see the reconfiguration of these lots. 16 is expanding, so we're going from one one to one twenty six.

And there's a decrease on Planning Area 15 from one zero one to 99. So this is just the overall log count. So you can kind of see all the changes. Some of the again, planning areas were increased, some of the lots, while others decreased. But the overall total on phase one, we have an increase of 47 lots while in phase 1c, we have 44.

So overall, the changes are increasing the lots 91 lots, additional lots that are proposed. Based on the total number of lots approved or in the approval of the specific plan, 2016, which was 2,104 homes, they're still below that number, which they're now proposing 2,097 homes. So they're still below that original number proposed. So with those changes, staff recommends the planning commission to adopt resolution p c twenty twenty five sixteen and resolution p c twenty twenty five seventeen recommending the city council to introduce in place a first reading and ordinance and resolution approving specific amendment SBLA 25 dash zero zero zero one and the revised tentative track map one eight nine five five TTR twenty five zero zero zero two. So with that, that concludes my presentation and I'm available for any questions.

All right. Commissioners, do we have questions for staff?

That's fantastic. It was a good presentation. The progress is going very well and so excited for the upcoming event you have later this month. I I did have a couple of comments because, I think that the traffic on Farmdale, the city used to maintain and grade that road from, Crystal down Las Lunas and across Ryland and Farmdale. And that hasn't happened in a long time.

So I know it's off of this subject, but I know the timing of improving the street along Farmdale is going to be a while. So that's the only comment I would have is to see what could be done with that. Otherwise, I see lights out of my home now, which I didn't see before. But they're distinctively laid out in place so that it looks beautiful and I'm very impressed. So just to confirm, you did not increase or did increase the overall?

We did not increase overall approval through the specific plan, yes.

Thank you. That's all I have.

And that was kind of my question at the time when you were talking the addition versus what was existing or approved. But it appears you answered that question that you are still not going to exceed what the original condition was for the total. Correct. That's correct.

Okay. Thank you.

All right.

And I

have no comments. I think the presentation spoke for itself and it was laid out very nicely. So Commission, we're going to go ahead and say open the public comment period or the app for the applicant. So I'll announce the time to invite the applicant if the applicant is here at 06:57 if they want to speak about the project.

Commissioners, I'm John O'Hanion, the General Manager of Silverwood. And I just wanted to commend staff. We've been working really hard with them. And what we do is not easy. And we're always in here trying to change things a little bit from what it was. Because when we first started, we really we started this in 2016, right, when we got the first approvals. Then the market changed and a lot of different circumstances changed. And staff has been willing to work with us on all of this stuff. And I want to commend them for their efforts on it and appreciate all the work that they've done and understanding that this is a kind of a living document. As Edgar said and Beth both said, we're going to be coming back to you with Phase two.

And when you see Phase two, you'll see that we're learning we have to make changes to accommodate what the market is and what the ground is like and the way things have changed in the environmental market, etcetera. So all of that's to say, appreciate you guys, appreciate what your staff has done, and look forward to continuing to work together. Thank you.

Thank you very much. So, Commission, we go ahead and invite members of the public to comment upon this item and address the commission. Do we have any white cards?

I have no white cards, chair.

Okay. Wonderful. Alright. So, with that being said, we're gonna go ahead and close the comment period at 06:59. Since we have no further white cards, do we want to have discussion?

I'm good. Okay.

I'm good as well. Do we have a motion?

Yes. I would like to move to adopt resolution number PC-twenty 2,516 and PC-twenty 2,517 recommending that the City Council introduce and place on first reading an ordinance approving SPLA 20 five -one and revised tentative track number 18,955 TTR 20 five-two to amend the land use designation of multiple planning areas within the Tapestry specific plan, Silverwood and to make modifications to the lot layout for multiple planning areas under tentative track map number eighteen thousand nine fifty five.

I'll second that.

And then I'll take a verbal please. Commissioner Burke?

Yes.

Chair Acino, I mean Chair Abreu?

Yes.

Thank you. Vice Chair Acino?

Yes.

Motion passes three zero.

All right. I'm going to go ahead and move on to Item two, Tentative Track Map two-six-seven-four, TT23-five. The commission recognizes Lalani Henry. Welcome.

Good evening, and welcome back. Tonight, I'm here to recommend approval of resolution p c two zero two five dash 19 approving tentative track map two zero six seven four also known as T T 23 Dash 00005. The proposed map would create 20 single family residential lots and one letter lot on five acres. As shown here, the property is located on the Northwest Corner Of Hollister Street in Afton Avenue and is vacant. There are similar tracks within the vicinity, but all adjacent lots are currently vacant.

The property is located within the single family R one four thousand five hundred zone, which allows for up to eight dwellings per acre. In addition, the zone allows for lots to be a minimum of 4,000 square feet with widths of 50 feet for interior lots and 60 feet for corner lots and 75 feet in-depth. The tentative track would create 20 single family residential lots, one letter lot to be utilized as a retention basin on five acres, resulting in a density of four units per acre. These lots would range from 5,638 to 10,029 square feet with an average of 6,605 square feet. The proposed lots with the single family comply with a single family residential r one four thousand five hundred zone and align with existing tracks of single family lots within close proximity.

Once developed, the track will include six foot tall split face block perimeter wall, a combination wall with wrought iron fencing around the basin, landscaping and single family homes in compliance with development and design standards. Street improvements will include extending the roads along Oak Valley Street, Afton Avenue, and Hollister Street, all designated as 60 foot wide local streets. All exterior streets will provide a minimum of 20 foot wide paved roads for vehicle access. The interior streets, Arizona Avenue and Colorado Street, will be designed and constructed according to city standards at 60 foot local roadway. All streets will be constructed to city standards including curb, gutter, sidewalk, street lights, fire hydrants, all along the track's exterior and interior right of way boundaries.

The project will also construct an eight inch water main in Hollister Street from Afton Avenue and tie into the existing line at Well Road as well as in Afton Avenue from Oak Valley Street extending down Arizona Avenue and Colorado Street and connecting to the existing line within Sultana Street. The project will also construct an eight inch sewer line connecting to the existing eight inch line within Afton Avenue and extending along Oak Valley Street, Arizona Avenue, and Colorado Street. Approval of this development requires adoption of an initial study mitigated negative declaration, also known as an ISMND. Pursuant to California Environmental Quality Act, the IMSD was prepared for the project and concluded that the project will not have any significant negative impacts on the environment upon the implementation of mitigation recommended mitigation measures. This report was out for public review from 06/25/2025 through 07/25/2025.

During that time, staff received one comment from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, which recommended updated language to some of the biological mitigation measures as well as the implementation of an incidental take permit. Comments were addressed and incorporated within that ISMND document. And also tonight, I am asking that Planning Commission does a motion to recommend adding an additional condition of approval to comply so that this project must comply with all these mitigation measures mentioned within that report. In all, the tentative map conforms to the city's policies, general plan, and meet standards of the development code, and it is recommended that the Planning Commission approve tonight. That is the end of my presentation, and I'm available if you have any questions.

Okay. Thank you very much. Does anyone have any questions for staff?

I did have a question. You just said that we also if we make a motion to approve, we have to add?

You don't have to. I'm asking that you do make a motion to recommend that that condition be added to the conditions of approval.

And do I see those in here? Oh, here they are. Okay. Yeah. I didn't have any comments. I just want make sure I didn't have any comments. So so the CDFW condition, is that the one you want added in?

No. The condition would be added that the project must comply with all mitigation measures mentioned within that report.

I see. Okay. Thank you.

All right. I don't think there's any more comments, so we're going go ahead and open up the public comment period at 07:08. The commission invites anyone from the public to to speak. Do we have any white cards?

I have no white cards, chair. Thank you.

Alright. Wonderful. Close public comment period at 07:08. Commission discussion. I myself have nothing to add or subtract or

Okay.

So is there any particular reason we're adding that? I mean I like it. I like what you're adding. But is there any particular reason? Are we doing that? Is that going to be a standard for all of

That will be a new standard condition of approval based on the attorney's recommendation as well.

I see. Okay. Yes. I wanted to know where that came from. And there were no opposition letters?

No opposition letters.

Oh, great.

Really? Good. Only coming after commercial projects then,

I guess. Right.

Perhaps. Thank you. Good presentation. Thank you.

So do we have so moving into motion, do we have a motion?

I'll make the motion to adopt resolution number PC-twenty 20 five-nineteen approving TT23-five, TT-twenty 674 and to add the requirement that they must meet the conditions of the mitigation measures? Correct. Okay. If I said that correctly.

Do I have a second?

I second.

And I will go ahead and take a verbal vote if you guys can. Commissioner Burke?

Yes.

Commissioner Hudson?

Yes.

Commissioner Abreu?

Yes.

Vice Chair Stino? Yes. Commissioner Ahman?

Yes.

Thank you. Motion passes. Five, zero.

Wonderful. Thank you. Item three, development code amendment DCA25-four. Commission, recognizes staff, Lalani Henry. Again. Hi, again.

Hello, again. So tonight, I'm going to discuss a proposed development code amendment to establish outdoor residential lighting standards as well as update language under the general performance standards for the commercial lighting for outdoors. To begin, over the most recent years, code enforcement has received several complaints of neighbors and the lights crossing over and being bright in adjacent properties. Due to the lack of direction from the development code, they're limited on being able to give any guidance or restrictions. And that's why we decided to come up with this amendment.

So the amendment will provide new light standards for outdoor residential lighting which will limit 0.1 foot candles at residential property lines, 0.5 foot candles at right of way, and require shielded lighting which is directed downward and prohibit any blinking or flashing lights. Now with that said, we did provide an exception to this which allows for temporary holiday lighting which can be used for decorative purposes from November 15 through January 15 for the winter holidays or within thirty days of any other nationally recognized holiday and it shall not create any traffic hazard or impair driver visibility or mimic any emergency vehicle lighting. While we were looking through the code we did recognize that there were some inconsistencies between the parking light the lighting for parking requirements and our general sorry, our general standards. With that, we decided to take our parking light standards and implement that into our exterior lighting for the commercial that would require these lights to be hooded, directed downward, as well as 0.5 foot candles at right of way or when adjacent to residential properties. In all, these recommendations for the development code amendment will provide guidance and measurable standards that could be utilized in the future to create peace and resolve conflict within neighborhoods.

That is the end of my presentation and I'm available if you have any questions.

So the development code amendment, is this for residential and commercial property or just residential?

So there would be a section that would pertain to the residential and then the commercial area was updated to implement the lighting standards that are included within parking requirements.

Okay. So there were no previous to this, there was no previous lighting?

Not for residential.

Oh, wow. Okay. And this would only apply to new. I'm sorry for spouting off, only to new, not to existing homes?

This would be existing homes as well. It kind of helps with our code cases. They were were having neighbors with floodlights pointed at each other's bedrooms and

Oh boy.

So is that an issue on how implement do that on existing residents? Do you just send a broad brush notification to all the existing existing residents?

I believe it would be if there were a code complaint that at that time code enforcement would investigate the light and then require that resident to comply to these standards.

Okay.

Go ahead, Kim.

Oh, just

real quick on that means going to have some overtime late at night. So, Co is going to be active out there for the calls. Are they gonna do it, the next day, or have they looked at that that far?

That, I'm I'm not too sure of just being that it is a different department.

Okay. I can see that coming.

I see an issue with existing residents not knowing.

Yeah. Are they aware? Is code enforcement aware that this is in the pipeline?

This was actually a request.

Oh. From code enforcement. Okay. So so is there are we gonna do anything like they're saying about notifying everyone, like sending out maybe a flyer. I mean, I'm I like this. I I believe county actually has something already in place. They it came into place. You guys probably obviously know about it. Correct. Does and is it I read about it once before. Is this similar? How like, how similar is this to that?

We actually based our standards off of their standards.

Okay. So it is. Okay. I some of it sounded familiar. So is it would it be beneficial for everyone, for even the residents and code enforcement to send out a notification? Because, I mean I mean, it's gonna be this is gonna end up being a word-of-mouth thing that gets out, and then everybody just starts calling on each other, you know?

Or being confused

by the means.

Social media. Yeah.

If if I guess if we can look into whether or not we're gonna we would send out a mass notice like that. We could put it in The Daily or the newspaper that goes out quarterly. Beyond that, though, to be honest, we don't anticipate that this would really affect a lot of residential properties. This is really like, a couple of times a year, we'll get complaints where neighbors are complaining where someone literally directed a floodlight into their house, and there aren't any current code requirements that allows code enforcement to resolve the situation. Beyond cases like that, this really shouldn't be too impactful for existing residences.

For most for the most part, residential properties usually have a couple address lights in the front, maybe some walking lights or directional lights within the walkways and whatnot. But you don't really have too many lights around the perimeter typically for residential properties. So it really shouldn't impact too many properties. It's going to be those that are those code enforcement cases.

Right. Well, I guess the question I had is about the shielding down because most people have some kind of lantern thing up in the front of their property. This is where my mind goes. Or on their back, it's just kind of just a broad brush. It's not shielded downward in the technical term. But from what I'm understanding or extrapolating from what you're saying is that until it's a problem, it's not a problem. And then you have something that in place to address it when it is a problem.

The language about the hooded and directed downward, one that's taken from the county, that's pretty standard language. I think every city across

the board is

going to have that, right? I think, to be honest, I'm not even sure you could buy decorative lights at Lowe's or Home Depot that weren't at least covered at the top. Correct. So that should be a pretty, I would say, standard. It might be some rare instances where someone just has a light bulb kind of plugged into the wall that seems overly bright. But even then, unless it's more than 0.5 at the property line, that's where it's measured from, then only at that time would it be potentially a code enforcement case. It's not the lighting intensity at the light or around the light, it's at the property line.

Understood. Okay, I get it now. Yes. Thank you for anyone else?

Well, just in layman's term, what is one foot candle? How bright is that? 60 watts? 30 watts?

Typically, driving

to go and fool in my ring because I think my floodlight stays on all the time, which is I don't get much traffic on that street, but I I noticed when I pull up, it's like, you know, it's not directed, down the street. It's directed. So it's, you know, this way hitting the street. But

Yeah. It it's just that it's a way to measure the lighting intensity. Typically, under a standard, like, parking lot light, usually that foot candle is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of eight, nine, maybe sometimes 10. As you get like ten, fifteen feet away, it starts to decrease exponentially, right? So then it becomes eight becomes four and four becomes two. Most our current standards, as Leilani mentioned, is 0.5 foot candles at the property line for commercial industrial. Usually, that's easily met, I would say. But yes, it's measured. It's just a degree of measurement and it's obviously brightest closest to the light as you get farther away exponentially, it decreases.

Thank you. I don't like to put extra restrictions out like this in general, but you would think people would be good neighbors and act accordingly. I could see where in the commercial zone it's important where the higher traffic volume is. And quite frankly there are some homes which I think there's a guy down 7th, he has on every one of his poles you know a big bright light and I mean we don't really have street lighting up and down our roads so it's not.

Sorry about that. I just want to put everybody's mind at ease. Our Code Enforcement Division is not going to be out actively patrolling for lighting issues. Usually, these this as Ryan and Leilani articulated, is to settle neighbor disputes and to have some teeth for code enforcement to be able to step in as necessary. So if anybody's concerned that code is going to be patrolling in the evenings looking for lights that may be a little onerous, I want to set everybody's mind at ease that will not be happening.

Thank you. Yeah. I was kind of thinking it was going to be that way because if there is nothing to have anything to sink your teeth into, then you again, like we had on this previous, where we've adopted items that that the city has no teeth to govern and how can they govern in circumstance.

Okay. One comment I'll make. Just a question. Was there any thought put into when this was being developed about duration just because security motion lighting can probably be intrusive for neighbors, but intentionally just to light up an area for security purposes, but those are typically able to be set with like a five minute duration when it turns off. Is there any thought put into the purpose on that?

That's a very good comment. It's a valid comment. It currently doesn't contain any duration requirements. We can certainly explore adding that before it goes to the council and putting something in there like if it's motion censored, it has to be for longer than a certain period of time, a minute or whatever that's going be.

Yeah, definitely. Just for security purposes. Yeah.

That's a good point.

That's a great point. Because like I say, my floodlight comes on and it lights it up, which you really want for security purposes to read and see, you know, who's in the picture or license plate or something. That's a great point.

So if you would like with your motion, you could direct staff to add that and we'll add that to the development standards prior to City Council.

You see something like set reasonable standards for security light up duration, right. Make the motion.

Yeah, do we have a motion?

I'll make the motion. I move to adopt resolution number PC-twenty20Five-eighteen recommending that the city council introduce and place on first reading an ordinance approving DCA 20 five-four with the condition of security lighting and duration being taken into consideration. I second.

Was that the proper the bottom part of that was part of three. Zero zero zero four, that's part of

item three.

Oh that's right, I'm sorry. I was looking on the wrong

page. Alright.

Thank you. There you go. Now I get it.

Okay. We are gonna do the verbal vote. Chair Chair Commissioner Burke. My bad. Yes. Getting late. Commissioner Hudson.

Yes.

Chair Breo.

Yes.

Vice Chair Stino? Yes. And Commissioner Allman?

Yes.

Motion passes five zero.

All right. Planning division report, Ryan Leonard.

Thank you. So just a quick update on a couple of projects that have gone before the commission previously. At the next council meeting, we have a number of items that are scheduled before the council. The first one of those is the objective design standards. So we introduced those to the planning commission last month.

And the standards are they're the same as what was presented last time we presented them to the Planning Commission. We incorporated a number of the comments that we had during that workshop. The other item that will be going to the Planning Commission will be the development code related to ADUs. So we received a comment letter from the state and we are addressing our municipal code and development standards to make those changes. And then also we will be presenting the circulation element to the City Council.

So if you recall the Planning Commission, we presented the entire 2025 general plan update that was a land use element, health and safety element as well as the circulation element. When it went before the council, we pulled the circulation element and we looked into removing the Lemon Street Bridge. That was an extension of Lemon Street and then a bridge over the Mojave River that would ultimately extend into Apple Valley. When the circulation element was presented to the Planning Commission, it included the removal of that bridge at that time. We did some further analysis and the traffic counts basically confirmed that there would be minimal impacts to Bear Valley Road and a minimal use of that bridge if it were constructed.

And so the circulation element that will be presented to the City Council will include the removal of the Lemon Street Bridge. And then lastly, regrettably, we also had an appeal that was heard by the Planning Commission at the last meeting. If you recall, there were two items. One of them was a conditional use permit for the two warehouse buildings. For that one, there was a comment letter received and that group has filed an appeal.

That hasn't gone to the Planning Commission yet. There is also another project in which there was a roughly 74,000 square foot warehouse, I believe, on G Avenue. And that project was appealed. The Planning Commission did or upheld the approval of the project. Regrettably, though, the applicant for that project decided to withdraw their application, and that was based on the legal expenses that would occur in order to continue to fight that legal group.

So it's unfortunate when we get things like that and people withdrawing their projects. It's just an unfortunate situation. Would also say it's not the first time, unfortunately, as well. I know of one project that would have been at 395 in Poplar, and the applicant for that project had to withdraw his application as well because of comment letters that were received. And that would have been a really quality real quality project that would have came to the city.

So regrettable situations like that. But I just want to give you an update on those four projects that will be going to the City Council next week. With that, I also wanted to make an announcement. So we recently recruited for assistant planner position. We had over two twenty five applications and Mario Cruz was awarded the position. So wanted to give a big congratulations and a shout out to her. You can see that behind her is Yvonne Kleber and Yvonne will be filling in for Mario Cruz as Mario Cruz starts to step into her new role. And at the next Planning Commission meeting, hopefully Mario Cruz is sitting where I'm sitting now and making a presentation to you guys. So with that, that's all I got.

Congratulations. Attorney report.

I don't have anything tonight. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Director.

Well, on the theme of staffing changes, I want to announce to the Planning Commission that I did submit my resignation I earlier in this have accepted a position in the LA area and good opportunity for me, but also very sad to leave the staff that have become near and dear to my heart. And also the Planning Commission, who I've gotten to know very well. And we've done some great work together over the two point five years that I've been here. I'm very proud of the things that we've been able to collectively accomplish. I'm proud of the work that staff has done to put you in a position to make good decisions.

I certainly miss all you guys. It's been a professional joy of mine to be able to work for this city for the second time, and I will continue to kind of monitor what's going on up here in Hisperea. This is a city that is near and dear to my heart. I raised my family up here even though I don't live here anymore. Hisperea will always have a special place for me. But this is my last Planning Commission meeting. As I said, you've got great staff. You'll continue to be in good hands. And I will continue to be available to any of you at any time in case you guys wanted to reach out to me. So thank you for the time together, and I wish all of you guys nothing but success.

Thank you. I'm sorry to see you go, but understand.

Kinds of news. Yeah.

I don't

know. We're about to have Do you have a replacement yet?

This is I'm trying to push you off

the off the press. So I just let my city manager know two days ago. So the twenty first will be my last official day in the office. But again, all of the staff have my personal cell phone number and my personal email, which I'm also, again, more than happy to provide to you guys as well in case you guys ever need to reach out to me for anything. But as of now, nothing has been announced, but our city manager is out of town at a conference, so there may be something forthcoming in the next week or two. Understood.

Alright. Planning Commission comments.

Congratulations, Mayor Cruz. And sorry to see you go, Nathan. It's but the adventure continues. Good deal. And staff did a very good job. I'm almost getting to a point where it's I don't even need to show up. So you guys are hitting all the buttons.

So Please continue to show up though. Yes. He wants

to text in as

well. Thank

you. Right.

Zoom.

Yeah. Same thing. Thank you for putting everything together. Sorry. I missed the number four item. I'm sure you guys all did the right thing. I trust I trust everyone up here has the best interest of the city in in mind. And, yeah, congratulations, Mary Cruz. That's pretty awesome. And, Nathan, you know, we've gotten to know each other pretty good, and, I'm sure you're gonna do great wherever you're going.

I'm sure you will.

So where are you going?

I am going to be working for the city of Carson. This affords me the ability to move back to the Orange County area, which I am from originally.

Oh. Oh, there you go.

And I still have a lot of family and friends out in that area. So it'll be a little bit of a homecoming for me and a much shorter commute.

Good for you all. Congratulations to everyone who's moving on and getting promoted and wish you all the very best. And thank you for all your support and hard work, and we will miss you at the city. I will miss you. Not you, Mary Cruz. This is gonna be good.

Step in.

And wish you all the very best. Thank you again for doing such a beautiful job. Again, I second the comments made by other commissioners that you make our job very easy and we appreciate that. It is the season so everybody watch out for the flu and kids and we're going to be getting darker and busy time of the year so we appreciate all the hard work again and look forward to what city council is going to do with all of your projects going forward. Thank you.

Yeah, definitely exciting for the two people changing, moving up and in into new adventures. I'm sure we'll be in good hands continuing going forward as we are right now. So Nathan, make sure to leave a good turnover for who's replacing you because I'm sure you've got a million things going on. So keep that in mind. A good turnover leads to good success on the backside.

And, Bethany, thank you for consulting and taking good diligence for the agenda item that I had to recuse for as well. Appreciate you paying attention to that and advising properly on how to conduct that meeting. So thank you very much. And for the planning department, I know you're just across from the water department during business, and I'm sure you heard the phones ring off the hook. So I hear that they're hiring and interviewing. So I'm looking forward to water department hiring some more people so you don't have to hear the phone ring all day long. Yeah. Thank you for all the hard work that everyone's doing. I appreciate it.

Alright. Mary Cruz, I'll I'll say, say that. I know it's probably getting repetitive, but just congratulations. Nathan, I wanna say one thing. I'll try not to get too sappy.

Your communication skills and what you've brought, to the planning department has been great and the ability we've worked through a lot of complicated stuff that we didn't know how to navigate, and you brought unity, and I wanna say thank you. So, again, it's, you know, best of your endeavors. I'm so excited for you because I know how much you commute and how much you spend time on the road, and it's well deserved for your family and yourself. And then, wanna say that, Hesperi Days, we, was a very big turnout for those of you who may not have attended. It was very, very big.

Our church showed up, and we just, you know, shared, shared the the love of Jesus Christ with our community and getting to see the the range of people in our community. It just really helps us to better serve them, better to understand them, and, know that many people don't know they have a voice. And so that, what we do up here, it it is so important to kinda understand that our, I speak with several who don't realize they can show up to planning or a city council meeting and get a white card and say something. They they just don't know. They say it's just bureaucracy.

I have no way, no voice. So, it's it's just just great that we do have that and that any of us commissioners, I know the city council also does say you do have a voice. So, anyway, with that being said, I'm going I'm pray that you all have a, you know, good month, and we're gonna go ahead and adjourn this meeting for our next regular meeting at on 11/13/2025 at 630 East Chambers. Meeting adjourned.