Planning - Regular Meeting

All right. We're going to go ahead and start planning commission meeting for June 11th. Time to start is 633. I'm going to please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance and the invocation. Let's pray. Heavenly Father, Lord, we thank you for today, Lord, reminding us every bit that it is a gift. We ask, Lord God, for wisdom amongst this commission. But Lord, we also pray over our citizens of Hesperia, Lord, for all the chaos going on in the world. We pray over them and their families. We pray, Lord, for our emergency responders and our troops as they give selfishly to their communities, Lord. We ask for wisdom. We ask for a discernment as we listen tonight, Lord, for your presentation and all to your glory. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Roll call.

Commissioner Houghton.

Here.

Commissioner Burke. Chair Abreu.

Here.

Commissioner Amin. Here.

Here.

Vice Chair Steno. Here.

Do we have any agenda revisions or announcements?

No, Chair.

All right, thank you. All right, public comments. Any person wishing to address the planning commission should complete a white card and hand it to the clerk. Comments are to be limited to three minutes. and should concern only those topics within the jurisdiction of the Planning Commission. Any person who would like to comment upon an agenda item should reserve their comments until the public hearing or public comment period is called on that item. Please remember that the Planning Commission is prohibited from considering or taking any action on any issue not previously noticed in the agenda. We now open the public comment period at 635. Do we have any white cards?

I have no white cards, Chair.

Thank you. Seeing there is no white cards to address the Planning Commission for public speaking on any general matter, we hereby close the public comment period at 6.35. Consent calendar. Consideration of the Planning Commission draft minutes from the meeting on May 14th, 2026.

I move to approve the minutes.

Do we have a second? Second.

Motion passes 4-0. Wonderful.

Presentation, Capital Improvement Program by Cassandra Sanchez, Director of Public Works. Welcome. We look forward to your presentation tonight. Thank you.

I look forward to presenting you tonight our 26, 27.

I believe your microphone needs to be turned on.

Can you hear me now?

Wonderful.

Perfect. Okay. I look forward to presenting to you tonight our 2627 CIP program. Our CIP proposed budget is $31,917,247. It's broken up through a variety of categories with the majority of the funding being within our streets CIP. And I'd like to highlight a few completed projects that we got done during the 25-26 CIP budget. The first being three water tanks that we were able to get recoated. Plant 21 was an exterior recoat. The benefit of this is it extends the life of valuable infrastructure by protecting it from harsh weather, and it also protects the integrity of the steel. All three of these tanks were accepted by Council April 7th, 2025. Plant 22 was our most extensive project where we did interior and exterior recoding of the tank. We had to cut a door on the side of the tank to be able to provide access. We also sandblasted the interior and removed all of the sediment within the tank. My favorite one is plant 23, where we were able to do an exterior recoding and replace the mural on the side of the tank. One of our residents was so excited to see the refreshed mural, he did a photo shoot with his 72 Chevy. So I wanted to include that photo here. I thought it looked pretty cool. We did two CDBG street improvement projects this year. This one was on Oakwood Avenue. It was approximately one mile of roadway. We used a technology that's new to the city on this project. It was called full depth reclamation. which is where we pulverize the existing roadway and use that as a recycled material for the base of the new roadway. It helps reduce costs by using the recycled material and reducing the need for haul-off. Not every road will qualify for using this new type of treatment, but I think it's just a good example of how staff is looking for ways to bring better roads to the city and to be able to be mindful of the budget. Oakwood was probably one of our worst streets within the city where the PCI was between 19 and 25. For those of you that don't know, zero is pretty much the road has given up all life and 100 is a pristine road. So 19 to 25 was a pretty low quality road at this point. The other CDBG road that we did was Live Oak that was completed in May. This was a full removal and replacement of about half mile of road between Cottonwood Avenue and Maple Avenue, and the PCI was slightly better on this one, 26 to 49. Another project that we got done during this last fiscal year before we were able to do any of the pavement work on Maple was the Maple Avenue sewer line replacement. This was the removal and replacement of about 2,400 lineal feet of sewer pipe. Overall staff was very happy with the final product of this and it helps to reduce maintenance costs and time spent by city staff who constantly had to pump the sag where we would have a lot of issues. And this was awarded by council on May 20th of 2025. It was completed just recently and we will be taking it to council for acceptance early in the fiscal year 26-27. The final project I wanted to highlight was the traffic signal at Main and Timberlane, or Main and Sultana. This was a project that was asked for a lot by our community, so we were happy to finally be able to bring it to them. This provides a controlled intersection for the crossing at Main Street, and allows both traffic and pedestrians to move safer through this area. Not only did we install the new traffic signal, but we also had crosswalks and ADA curb ramps installed. And this project was accepted by council on June 2nd of 2026. Before I go into our projects for this fiscal year, I wanted to take a little time to talk about project selection and project timelines. Project selection is an ongoing process, which is why we have both critical projects and essential projects. Critical projects are our top priority and projects that we are trying to finish in the fiscal year. Essential projects are projects that come up at the two to five year mark. But all of our projects are looked at based on a variety of factors. One of them being asset condition and performance. So I mentioned PCI. PCI can really affect the budget of a project. So if it's a bad road like Oakwood, where we have to do removal and replacement, we can do shorter portions of that. If we have a road that's in better condition, we might be able to do more of the roadway because of the treatment types that we can use such as grind and overlay or slurry seal and crack seal. We also look at maintenance impacts and how it affects the long-term maintenance of the infrastructure. So the tanks and the sewer sags are good examples of that. We also look at grant, or sorry, we look at available funding such as grants or partnerships. Grant funding like CDBG will limit how we can spend the funds for a project. And then partnerships with other agencies like SBCTA may allow us to do a larger, more regional project like what we have been doing for Ranchero. We look at community needs, such as safety, like we did at the traffic signal at Main and Timber Lane. And we look for things that will improve the quality of life within the city. So providing safe crosswalks, like we did at Main and Timber Lane, is always something that's important to us. And then overall, we look at how we can reach citywide goals, such as meeting the circulation plan. So if we can incorporate widening or other things into our projects, we will look at that for our projects. For each project, we follow kind of this similar formula, though the timing may take place depending on the extent of the project or the grant funding that's used. It may take a little longer, any of these steps. But typically we start with a conceptual design that helps us determine the overall budget and the project boundaries. We move into environmental review and permits and this could be the CEQA process or the NEPA process depending on if it's state or federal funding. We look at any need for right-of-way acquisition like our Catawba Basin that I will be talking about later. As we start the design of the project, there are milestones that occur at 30, 60, 90, and 100% of the design of the project plans. 30% is just a little more detailed than the conceptual design, but it allows us to take an in-depth look of any needs to change the alignments or anything that may affect the project. 60% is a little more dialed in, but gives us another chance to look at the finer details of the project. And 90% is pretty much a completed project, but does give us that one last chance to look at it before we complete everything. When we're doing the design, we're also doing the project specifications as well as getting the project estimated costs. This is going to be probably a little different than the initial preliminary budget because we are having a better idea of the overall design. and what's needed to complete the project. We then advertise or bid the project, and then we move into construction. Construction, of course, involves breaking ground and building the project, but sometimes we have long lead items that can delay the project. Main and Timberlane, for example, had items that were a 50-week lead time, so it was almost a year before we could break ground on that project. We also review submittals, and we respond to requests for information. At the end we do a project closeout where we look at the punch list for the construction. This may be cleaning up broken items or maybe making sure that everything works correctly. This is standard for all projects. And then we will do a final verification of work and then we will write any final reports or fill out paperwork for grants. And then after that we will take it to council. For our critical projects, like I mentioned, they're our top priority. We have seven projects with three that are already currently under construction. The Ranchero Road Aqueduct Crossing started construction in January of 2020. Sorry, that should be 2026. Little typo there. My apologies. After the city obtained a permit from DWR for the demolition of the bridge. The anticipated completion date of this project will be December of 2026. Work has been moving forward steadily with the girders being delivered ahead of schedule. And actually, as I present this now, all 15 girders have been installed. So these were 150-foot girders. They had to be trucked in, and they are all installed on the bridge. Next is our annual street improvement project. This one is also currently under construction with work occurring on Jacaranda Avenue and 7th Street. Work started in April of 2026 by Onyx Paving. And it's a combination of select removal and replacement of asphalt, crack seal and slurry, and grind and overlay. We have the 2526 CDBG street improvements. Staff has selected our eligible streets. We're just getting them reviewed by HUD, which is the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. We just have to make sure everything qualifies for the CDBG funding before we can finalize the design. But we are getting very close to getting that taken care of. Next, we have our Maple Avenue Street improvements, which is a stretch almost three miles between Main Street to Ranchero Road. This is currently under construction. They were performing all of the concrete work along the edges of the roadway before they did any work along the asphalt. So it hasn't been too exciting yet because it just started on May 18th. But this will help to provide a safer north-south corridor within the community. And as I mentioned with the PCI, most of Maple Avenue fell below PCI of 50, with some sections as low as 21. Next, we have our Main Street traffic signal synchronization. All of the cameras outside of the Caltrans right away are installed. We just received approval for the final equipment purchase from Council June 2nd, so we will be coordinating with Caltrans for installation early this next fiscal year to get this project complete. And we have already added the cameras at Main and Timberlane to be able to add that to our synchronization as well. And the installation of these cameras help to improve traffic along Main Street, as well as allow us to monitor signals for problems and delays. Within Public Works, we have a giant computer screen, and it's got every signal for this stretch of roadway, and so we can monitor it and see if there's any issues or failures along that corridor. For our 26-27 street improvement project, we will be continuing the north-south corridor of 7th Avenue with focus between Main Street and Ranchero Road. This will help to finish that corridor from Ranchero all the way up to Bear Valley. And overall, this section of roadway had a higher PCI than the rest of 7th Avenue, but the December 2025 storm event accelerated the deterioration, making us need to complete these improvements sooner than we had originally planned. Staff will begin design early in the fiscal year of 26-27, and we plan on bringing this to construction in the spring of 2027. We will also be using some of our annual street paving monies towards the Escondido Avenue street improvements. This, as a result again of the December 2025 storm event, deteriorated Escondido Avenue more than we had originally thought, and we had areas prior to the storm that were already at a 39 PCI, so it's just made it a lot worse. This roadway is heavily traveled as a connection to the freeway and retail for the residential west of the aqueduct. And the pavement rehabilitation along this roadway will go from Main Street all the way to the city limit at Sage Street. Next I will be talking about our essential projects and these are projects that will be up and coming in the next two to five years for the city. The first we have is phase four of the Ranchero Road corridor. This will be completed after we finish the aqueduct crossing. This will widen Ranchero Road from Danbury to I to 80 feet total and include sidewalk along the southern portion. Design is currently underway and the next steps will include environmental documents and obtaining right of way. And there will be traffic signals as part of these improvements as well. Next we have the Temecula Avenue CO1 retention basin. This is designed to be located at the collection point before entering into the CO1 drainage system. This area was severely affected by the December 2025 storm event where the pipes ended up filling up with sediment and it went over ground and pretty much covered the streets in like about a foot of sediment in the area. So it restricted the residents to be able to travel there. So putting in this basin will help to reduce the velocity of the water and allow the sediment to settle out and it will be easier to clean and maintain than having to clean out those pipes. We next have the golf course trails. We would like to create opportunities for outdoor recreation, so we are looking to move forward with the installation of walking trails for the public along the Hesperia Golf Course. This location would provide access to the public and have them be able to enjoy the outdoors. And this will probably be built in phases, but ultimately the trail will span about 4.5 miles along the golf course's northern boundary. The Catawba Road Basin is one that I was just mentioning about right-of-way. I do have an error on this slide. I put that we are in escrow. I just actually found out from our attorney we are almost in escrow. There was just a misunderstanding. So we are almost in escrow for the right-of-way of this project. But it is located in the Oro Grand Wash area. which is a naturally occurring drainage course, and this project will help to protect the California aqueduct overshoot. It will help to reduce sediment transport in the area, and once we can finish obtaining the land, we'll be able to do a feasibility study to see what is needed for environmental design and permitting. Next, we have the HO1 drainage facility. This is located in the vicinity of Mauna Loa and 3rd Avenue. This is the area that during the 2025 storm event, 3rd Avenue was washed out, so we had to do repairs to bring the road back so that it was very safe for the public to travel. But we do own properties on both sides of 3rd, and we will be working on a feasibility study to better capture the flow within the system. to decrease the peak flow and make sure that road stays safe to be traveled on during any large storm events. Next we have the Walnut Street Basin. This is also part of the H01 watershed as the project I just also presented before this one. And this will be at the beginning of the pipes, whereas the other one's at the end of the pipes. This will also help to reduce sediment that's carried into the pipes to help reduce maintenance costs and make the system overall more efficient. Environmental review has been completed, design is completed as well, and staff is working to obtain all necessary permits prior to construction. Next, we have another bridge project that will be coming. We will not be starting on this one until after we finish Ranchero. But this is widening the bridge at Main Street. Widening the aqueduct crossing in this area will help decrease congestion along this thoroughfare. I apologize. The plans are almost completely designed. We just need to perform the environmental studies and the right-of-way acquisition before we can begin construction. I have a question.

Is this bridge going to be raised?

This bridge will be the same. No, it won't. This one will be in the same elevation as what is currently out there. We had to demolish Ranchero because of the capacity within the aqueduct. It had to be raised. It was too low, but this one they have adequate capacity. You're welcome. We will also be doing street improvements on Maple Avenue north of Main Street. So this will be completed after the southern portion. The project will be starting design soon and the budget will determine the final project limits. But we are hoping to get from potentially Willow to Eucalyptus. Next, we have another traffic signal. This is at Escondido and Sultana. The project is currently under design and is also in environmental compliance. We are working on obtaining the necessary right-of-way to install all of the signal poles. We're down to one corner. We are working on getting the right-of-way for. And the project is intended to improve intersection safety, reduce collision frequency, and enhance overall traffic operations. And the final project I have to present to you tonight is another traffic signal. This is at 7th and Sequoia. You will see on our 7th Avenue project, we did leave this pavement out of this area because this project will be coming in soon, so we didn't want to duplicate efforts. This intersection has a history of collisions, and this project will help enhance safety for vehicles and pedestrians. Preliminary engineering is already underway, and construction is anticipated to be done at the end of the 26-27 fiscal year. And that is all I have, if you have any questions. All right, well thank you so much. Of course.

So you talked about staff designing. How at the city does engineering, how involved do you guys get, or do you guys do consultant work for the actual final engineering, or is it all done in-house?

We do use consultants. We have on-call lists that help do the design. We look at it in-house to make sure that it meets the needs of the city. If there's any other projects in the area, it ties into that. But the engineering and any technical design is done by a consultant.

Understood. So you guys do the need assessment.

Exactly understood.

Okay. Yeah, I was just I was just curious because you know, just wondering how it operated in the city Thank you very much Cassandra.

Thank you. I Did have a question I love all of the improvements and recently they're beautiful or drive-on. Thank you, but I didn't see much in the past and your capital improvement plans I saw Secondary streets that were improved is there I don't see much of that on this go-around. Is that a Is that going to cause a problem with the public, our constituents?

No, I don't see that causing a problem. We are trying to focus more on north-south corridors right now. We did just do Ranchero for east-west, and so we're trying to do some connectors for the north-south. And then when we move forward with the Vision Zero plan, because they will be looking at the city overall, we're hoping that we'll identify any other areas that we need to worry about for congestion or circulation.

And I didn't see anything about any improvements along I Avenue from Rancho to Maine is that or even to Bear Valley is that on the radar or?

That is a project that we have done studies for in the past. I think it was about $60 million to complete some of the improvements that are needed on Eye Avenue to be able to raise it up and to do some improvements. So we haven't moved forward with design for any of those areas, but we are looking for funding opportunities to be able to move forward with it.

Are any of Silverwood's funds going to that improvements along Eye Avenue?

No, we had used some of Silverwood's funding to improve Ranchero Road, and then they are doing a signal as part of their project at I and Ranchero, so you will be seeing a signal coming in there.

Thank you. Yeah, of course.

Along the lines of I Avenue, in the planning of that, will there be sidewalks? at the silverwood from i from ranchero i guess to like danbury i don't know how far are we planning on going yes so for ranchero phase four that we are going to be doing we're doing a sidewalk on the south side so that the students will have access to be able to walk to school okay but i mean from from i avenue uh ranchero to like danbury yes on the south side oh well

On I Avenue to Danbury?

Yeah, I Avenue to Danbury. Is that what we're talking about?

I'm talking about Ranchero Road from I to Danbury.

She was talking about I Avenue.

No, I mean just in that portion along Ranchero.

Because you were talking about raising up I Avenue.

Oh, when we do the bigger project.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My apologies. Sorry, yeah.

I don't remember if Sidewalk was called out on that or not. It's been a while since I looked at it.

Okay, I was just curious because if it would tie into the Silverwood project.

Ultimately, I mean, we would want to make sure it all ties in together, and we may have to update that study because Silverwood didn't exist when they had done the initial study, but. That's a future project that we don't have plans for yet.

Yeah, and then probably getting way ahead of ourselves because we've been, it seems like we've been talking about Ranchero from I Avenue to Danbury for a long time. What about from I Avenue East to Arrowhead Lake Road?

Currently, we don't have any plans for that. We're just focusing on phase four. Okay.

There are no plans to improve...

Maine and I-15. For Maine and I-15, that's Caltrans right-of-way, so we don't have any plans to upgrade that currently, and I don't believe Caltrans does either. They just did some improvements when they improved the freeway, but we will be installing for the synchronization shortly within early next fiscal year to be able to help with the synchronization and to be able to get traffic to the freeway much smoother. So that would be the only improvements we have right now in that area.

So the construction of the high speed rail isn't going to impact our intersections along the 15. I don't see any plans or don't even know when that's starting.

Yeah, I don't believe so. I know they're still working on a lot of their technical studies, and the city hasn't had a chance to review them because they're still working on all of them. So I guess I can't speak as to whether it's going to affect our intersections, but it would be something they would have to mitigate as part of their project.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you for the explanation on how you figure out which projects are critical and which ones are essential. I'm sure it's difficult knowing that you want to do everything, but just like in my own home, there's a budget, and we have to figure out what to do first. So thank you for explaining that.

You're welcome. Yeah, we'd love to do all of it.

All right, there's no further questions, correct? Thank you, Cassandra.

All right, thank you so much.

That was a good presentation. all right planning division reports ryan leonard

Good evening. So that was the only item we had tonight. That was a receive and file presentation. And so thank you for Cassie and the engineering staff for doing that. As far as planning updates, from our last planning commission meeting to tonight's meeting, we held two DRC meetings. And in those meetings, we approved a handful of projects By and large, a lot of the projects were fairly minor. They were a reduction of a side yard setback for a couple of sheds. One of the projects that we approved was a parcel map for the Aldi Center on Bear Valley Road. This will create two parcels, but we had previously approved a Les Schwab Tire Center at the sort of front entrance there. This will be closest to the Mojave River. and so the parcel map will create two parcels, and then there'll be a vacant parcel in the back for a future pad as well. Some of the other projects we approved were a dog kennel in the agricultural zone of the city, and then I mentioned at our last meeting that we had two projects that we were excited about, which was the McDonald's and Starbucks at Main Street and 7th, so that would include the demolition of the existing car dealership, and then the development of a McDonald's and Starbucks. those two projects were formally approved at the DRC meeting that was right after our last planning commission meeting. So those were all the projects we approved. In terms of some upcoming projects, I mentioned in the past that we are starting our overall development code update and we have kicked that off with our consultant and so in the next couple months we'll, very similar to the general plan process, we'll be holding a series of workshops and hearings with the planning commission and I'm expecting those to start here probably in a couple months. So that's all I got.

Well, that's exciting. Thank you. Attorney report. Welcome, Robert.

We missed you last month. Yes. I'm happy to be back, but no report from me.

No crazy stuff coming down from the state that will impact us that you know of?

Nothing that I know of, but that may still be coming. I don't know. I hear you. We'll see.

All right. Director.

And I, too, apologize for missing our last meeting. So forgive me if I state anything that was previously shared at that meeting, but didn't want to provide a couple of updates in addition to Ryan's comments. Sam's Club, though you all reviewed and approved that, it also went to council, and council did approve that. And if we haven't shared, I believe it's in plan check, if I'm not mistaken as well. That's correct. So not only is it approved, but it's moving forward, and so we're excited to see that. To date, the city has issued 357 single-family residential permits. Oh, wonderful. Slightly down from last fiscal year of 508, but if you add those two years together, we're at 865 single-family residential permits issued over the last two years. So those are good numbers and demonstrate continued strong growth in our residential sector here in Hesperia. Burlington is hosting their staff orientation this week. I believe they're expected to open by the end of the month, but they're moving forward to their big opening. Olive Garden is also on plan check, if you haven't heard that as well, and so they're chomping at the bit. They're pressing staff to get them permitted as quickly as we can, and we're doing all that we can, but they want to be open very quickly. Newcastle hosted an open house. Was that March? Was that April? April. a few weeks ago, maybe six weeks ago, in their efforts to attract a tenant to their speculative building. I don't know if you knew that or not, but it is a speculative building. They built that with the anticipation and hope that they would land a tenant, and so they're doing all that they can to bring in a tenant there. But that is their business model, that they're aggressive on the front end, and so now they're working diligently to occupy that space. And I think that's it.

Is the new castle the warehouse over by the freeway?

Yes, the 400,000-square-foot project.

Right, okay. It's a good-looking building. It is a good-looking building, yeah. Thank you.

And that's all I have, Mr. Chair.

Thank you so much.

It was a great event. The first time I was at ICSC representing the city of Hesperia. I've been there many, many years, but obviously the first time representing Hesperia. And a lot of positive conversations, a lot of energy. I felt like there was good momentum in having good conversations with a lot of folks who know of Hesperia, but want to know what's happening in Hesperia. And so we, Ryan and our economic development staff and I attended that event. had great conversations with retailers and developers and brokers, and we've, over the last couple of weeks, continued to follow through, send more information about specific sites to developers or to tenants, sent information regarding the city's permit and development activity, just like those numbers I shared. Retail follows rooftops, we all know this, and so That number of 865 single-family residents over the last several years is a good number for these developers to hear, these tenants to hear. Inevitably, as we were talking and sharing all of this information, they would take out their pen and start writing notes. And so that's always a good sign to me that they're paying attention, that they're pricking up when they hear all that's happening in the city of Hezbollah. So it was a great event, and I was honored to represent Hezbollah. Thank you.

Thank you very much. It's always good news to see that positive momentum. All right, Planning Commission comments.

Thanks, Cassie, for putting all that together. I know that's a lot of work, and it's a lot of, I was reading through it, it was a lot, but appreciate that, everybody. Thanks for representing us out there.

To either one of you two? Sure.

Well, again, I'd like to say how pleased I am with all the road improvements and the quality. Right. A lot better than when they first started out. So I have a couple of follow-up items I'd like to ask about, and that is the question I had about the two-story homes in Silverwood along the property line. No one's gotten back to me. And then the development code. looking at the development code, I'm glad that's starting because I'm really excited about diving into the landscape ordinance. And then a new request is my concern out in the industry is I feel by this point, but I was over optimistic for economic outlook in 2026. Is there any way to spur on residential construction and development for the city to analyze our fee structure. My feedback from some of the developers are that our development impact fees are quite stiff, maybe a little stiffer than most other jurisdictions. I feel particularly, I guess the 500 permits that were pulled, that includes ADUs as well.

Or not? No, no. The 508 last fiscal year and the 357 this fiscal year should only be single-family residences. Okay.

Well, my concern again then is the price. Someone has to pay for anything, an ADU over 500 square feet. It's a $25,000 fee just to entertain plans is ridiculous, in my opinion. I think maybe a temporary moratorium or some kind of reduction in fee schedule might spur on more development and growth in housing that we need. We had a lot of, in our particular business, apartment complexes which were approved, permitted, and not built, expired because the cost of building an apartment complex just doesn't pencil out with the return on rents. And again, not only is it due to the cost of goods, to construct, but the costs, the taxes, the fees, again, I think the city of Hesperia, if they could take a look, or if it warrants to take a look at some type of fee restructuring, temporary, to spur on development, to get more developers, to get more housing. I mean, our freeway frontage has been bleak As far as development other than large warehouses, which half of them don't even have tenants, which is always my question when one of these projects come, do you have a tenant? And I was surprised to see the majority of them did not. I'm happy to say that the one warehouse under construction right now along Amargosa is being advertised for lease, but the owner will occupy if he does not get a tenant, whereas some of these other developers who are building the warehouses is without any intent of occupying. So that's just my thoughts. I don't know what other commissioners have as far. I'd like a discussion to see whether I'm completely off base.

But I think I'll jump in on that if that's all right, since you bring it up is, is this is this even something for us to even bring up or is this something that would come from council?

And then for us to discuss, I don't know your rules and procedures, something I would certainly certainly need to to to study here at the city of this area generally is not customary for the planning commission to. to engage in or facilitate those sorts of business items. Having said that, I can certainly discuss it with the executive team, and as appropriate, we can present that to the council as it relates to the Planning Commission's comments here this evening. Certainly happy to share that information up to the council.

I don't disagree with her at all, but I want to make sure that when we're here, we're discussing the appropriate information or appropriate, what would you call it? Topics. Topics, thank you.

Well, I mean, my only thought was, I think the same way that you do, you know, am I overstepping my bounds? Well, that would be just like Sophie. I mean, that's just who I am, because I'm very honest and opinionated.

And... I'm glad that you brought it up. I just want to make sure, you know, I don't want to be here talking about my vacation or anything like that. I want to talk about things that we're here to be talking about. I'm concerned.

I'm concerned about the lack of development. I would have thought, and it's not just Asperia. It's all around the United States. I mean, I hear it from friends in Texas. Oh, move to Texas. You know, less taxes. Well, guess what, guys? Texas is raising the property taxes, okay? So if they don't get you on your income tax... They get you other ways.

I would agree with her. I just want to make sure that it is appropriate for us to bring it up. I feel like the four, including Dale, the five of us on this panel have a great background. and knowledge firsthand of this. And I think that the five of us could share a lot of good information about it. I've had conversations with Ryan about it. You and I have actually talked a little bit about it too. So if we could maybe find out about if it's a good platform or if it's just something put a bug in the council's ear.

Yeah, and as a planning commission, I feel that it's my obligation to point out where in our development process we could benefit a change, whether it be temporary or permanent, to make Hesperia more economically feasible. We'd like to pave more roads. We'd like more infrastructure to deal with our floods. There are a lot of areas of improvement that the city needs. And I understand that dipping into DIF fees and so on would decrease our revenue, but if we could manage it, and I'm glad Casey's here, in a way where it wouldn't fiscally hurt us for a certain segment of time in order to generate revenue, a proper amount of development to justify why we're all here, then maybe I'm out of line. But I just throw it out there and see what management says.

Thank you. Madam Chair, I will certainly study the matter and bring it back to you all in some form or fashion. Thank you.

Pertaining to that, too, what would be interesting on my end to know would be the number of the residential permits that were pulled, how many of those were track homes, and how many were infilled.

And we do have that information. I don't have it off the top of my head, but we do have that fragmented.

Yeah, that would be great to know.

We have Silverwood completely separate as well, so I'll be happy to show that as well.

work that was a great presentation Cassie good work so again just thank you all for the work there's a lot that goes into that I'm working on some basic stuff that's taking me forever it feels like and nowhere as much as this so It takes a team to build a dream. And it is encouraging to hear that you guys were participating in business development. I like hearing that. So anytime that you're doing that, feel free to keep us informed on those activities. I do business development in my sleep and I do it when I'm awake. So just like Earl said, this is something that that we do and for me it's data driven. Data is what moves that customer. That's what brings you closer to the people that you're trying to attract. So having that data at your fingertips, knowing every little nook and cranny of it so that you can inspire every time that you have an opportunity to engage business, to bring new development in. I'd be encouraged to see it as well. Everybody here doesn't want to see a new car wash. We've already heard that. Olive Garden's great because there's only one over there in Victorville. So anytime that we can attract new business or engage in business development, let us know. I'd like to hear about it.

Thank you all for your hard work.

Thank you.

I agree on all that points. One who works a lot with getting asphalt laid on multiple school sites all the time, I was very impressed with the latest asphalt being poured in all the improved streets. I was like, who did this? This is fantastic. Really smooth ride. And then secondly, on the report, I mean, I saw, because I did go through it, how much you summarized it, and you summarized it really well. It was... very understandable information, summarizing in nice groupings, because I saw the data and it's like, holy cow, so I know you probably rehearsed that a lot. Because that was, I'm like, I don't know how you would regurgitate any of that. I wouldn't have a clue, so.

In 15 minutes or less, yeah.

Right? That was fast. It's like, holy moly. So, but I wanted to thank you like the rest of us did. So we're going to go ahead and do an adjournment. So meeting is adjourned to the next regular meeting on July 9th at 6.30 PM, these chambers.

That was fast.