Library Commission - Regular Meeting

We're at, let's start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the God of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Commissioner Felix. Commissioner Navarro, here. Commissioner Porter, here. Commissioner Cassell.

She's here. Just put the

Oh, I couldn't hear you.

That does not sound like my name. I'm Commissioner Ramos. And then commissioner is it Whitney or? White. White. White. Oh, so absent. Yeah. You know, I said it wrong last night too, so I was like Okay. Public comments? No public comments. Okay. Then, going into approval of minutes from our meeting in January.

Motion to approve. The second motion.

Great. Everyone in favor, aye.

Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion passes. Moving.

Going into new business, starting with, technology programs and makeup space update.

So our technology librarian couldn't be here. She's at weeks today, so I will do the presentation for her. She sent me her note, send the slides. So it's now three years since our maker space has opened, so it's really exciting. And we've had so in the three years, over 7,400 can you repeat the next slide? 7,400 visits, over 1,400 appointments. And laser cutting is the most popular acclaimed to face. So Very yeah. Yeah. Okay.

And then it's also the makerspace is largely a place where you make physical things. And a lot of places, we just focus on the new technology. But our makerspace, we also focus on traditional technology. And so we have, like, the sewing machines. We do the fusing of glass, so some of the things that are more traditional.

So we were open three days a week until February, but, you know, we had some budget cuts at the start of this year. And so we've really had to cut back on the makerspace. And we're finding more and more we have to close because we need staff to man the other staff the other desks, and so we have to pull people from here. So that's been a little bit hard, but we're trying to figure out what to do. Laser cutter is the most popular machine over here.

And even though it was you know, it has been down quite a bit, then we have to get the, you know, vendor to come and fix it and all. Our reservations for the laser cutter is still up 26 over last year. So we think it would have been a lot more. So but can we go back one? Sorry, please. Yeah. And so we have currently a three d printer, which is a new high quality three d printer, and I think the older one has now gone two weeks. Today was the first day it was going to be used. And then we have I said the laser cutter is the most popular, the three d printers. There's a Cricut, which is also for cutting machines, cutting things.

And then we have a sublimation machine. And a sublimation machine is one that you use to print things like this. And it's really and you can pass these around. These are really popular during holiday time to make things like with your face or your child's face or whatever on it. That's from a three d printer.

Some they actually made this in.

Yeah. On the three d printer. Yeah. Yeah. So I just wanted to show you on some of these things here. And then the sewing machine is also very popular because the sewing you know, it just is we now have open sewing hours where we have someone. We put those sewing machines out here, and we have someone to assist people, and they just come and do their sewing. So that's also being very popular now. And the services. Next screen. Okay. Yeah. So we do basic coaching. We allow reservations, and we have programs also. So we do give people coaching on how to use the machines, and we have staff and volunteers helping.

And then we show them projects, how to use the software, and we could take reservations after two weeks in advance. So that's been very popular. And one of the goals of the library is also to help to expose our Hayward residents to new technologies. And so that's one of the things we do in the makerspace because we really want all our students and young people to be you know, even if you don't have the things at home that you've been exposed to them and you're applying for jobs and things you can show that you are ready. Okay.

Let's see. Yeah. So, again, it's all you the digital learning center. Now that's different from the Makerspace. We have an area where we do classes, and that way we got actually the Ed Martens Foundation gave us money for software and to buy IMAX, and so that's been really nice.

It took us a little while to get started, but then it is about that whole center is about create creation of digital art, digital content. So we do art, audio recordings, photos, and also some video. And so it was open just to do once a week, twelve to four. But, again, this has been a little bit difficult with our budget cuts, you know, with the loss of a lot of our staff. So but we've got a new professional videographer starting next week, and so we hope to get things going.

And we're hoping to get some interns during the summer, hopefully, that we can do. The problem with some of the volunteers is you have to train them, so can't just come in and get going. So there is that additional staff time that's needed. Okay. And just, you know, the impact of our budget crisis.

This is one of the things. These are all days when the makerspace was supposed to be open, and these are all days when we ended up closing because we did not have staff. We had to pull staff away to do to go to the other desks. You know, we're trying to find a solution, but I just wanted you to be aware which still is popular, and we continue to try to figure out ways to get there. And with that, I will yeah.

Well, I just also want to say one of the things I want to talk about was the use of our computers, the public computers. That's also very popular again in the area of makerspace and technology. And so last year, we had 20,000, over 20,000 individual users of the computers. You know, they book. They can use them for two two hours at a time. So that was over 20,000 in the downtown library, and total between both libraries was over 26,000 individual users, which is really very significant. Yeah. And we we are still trying to figure out how to count our Wi Fi use. If we start counting that, it is just tremendous. Yeah.

So I think we're doing a good job in serving the community well even in difficult times.

I know. It's really good.

No. You know, but it is. I I just like because people do complain, so I like to acknowledge we know it, and we're trying to find a solution. Yeah.

I mean, is it possible to

put you know, I'm

just thinking, like, we need more commissioners and stuff. I'm thinking of somebody I ran into at Castro Valley Library who I can would do my Zoom conversation circles, but he'd be great. But people who are here already, like, recruiting people or helping with the makerspace and and stuff within the front users of the library. Right. We do. Yeah. That's actually one of the main sources of getting because you also want to make sure that they are comfortable. They've gone through our safety training. One of

our problems is in the makerspace, we cannot have a volunteer without a staff member. Yeah. So and that's the big thing. We have to have a staff member. There's safety concerns. Yeah.

You were speaking about exposing young people and students to the, new technology, and you have these 20,000 users of computers. Is there a way, say, for students to print? I know there's a printing offer, I think, 30¢ a page, to print for free under certain circumstances, their students, in order to encourage them to use the library or reports and that kind of thing related

to school. So, you know, a lot of them get reprinting in their schools. We are so, our staff do have they are authorized to do waivers if they need. We were having a lot of misuse of the reprinting, and then so it does. So we they usually use their judgment if and, you know, weigh the costs if necessary. But we are in difficult times, so we really try to be conscious of that. And if they can print at their school or whatever, it's encourage them to do that. But we look at it case by case. Let's see. And, okay, I had one other question.

Is there some way to emphasize to the public the reason that the library is closed on Mondays and why services aren't available is due to the funding cuts that the library has sustained to make people aware and more conscious of what's going on nationally and statewide is really impacting us in the city. Because I happened to be here on Monday dropping off the flu, and I saw a man come to the door with his son, a little guy about five, and they were all hyped about going to the library. And, unfortunately, it was closed. And they were so disappointed. And if there was something posted on the door, this library, you know, we're closed because we are unable to fund, have the funding for opening seven days a week due to budget cuts.

And then that makes our Hayward residents aware that we actually need more money in our coppers. So if and when we have a measure, that citizens have to vote on, they're aware that this is having a personal impact on me. This is why the library is closed. This is why I can't access things. But I don't think that day when I was here, if there was anything on the door, anything said Yeah. No. This is the library's closed. And then said, why? Yeah. I think we could maybe use that as an opportunity to educate people and make people more politically conscious and aware of the situation, the dire situation that we're in.

Yeah. I'll talk It's a suggestion. I'll talk to the team about it. Yeah. You know, we try to balance that being welcoming and, yeah, just sort of trying to be we get complaints, I will tell you, nonstop. I work on Mondays. I'm often the only person in the building, but I see that all the time. Like, I'll be trying to go in or out or I'm doing something down there, and I'm always just yelling to people, sorry if we're closed.

Sorry if we're closed. But you're not telling them why we're closed.

You know? Yeah. But often they will ask. We do say. But, you know, we have our website does say. We are we do it regularly, and it's it's on, like, a canopy. Make it very clear that it is budget cuts that are Mhmm. It's, you know, it is difficult also. I This is my personal feeling. I'm just gonna say to make people in Hayward feel guilty about some of this, it really is because most of them need they are themselves struggling. And so we try to find that fine balance of, you know, we are trying to do the right thing. We're doing the best we can. So, you know No. I don't mean to make any No.

What a guilty saying. Yeah. I'm just saying to educate people Yeah. Yeah.

About the cause and effect. Yeah. The effect is a lever as close. The cause is budgetary constraints. Then you don't have to make anybody feel guilty. You should be a straight

up notice. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I will take it back to Optune.

Alright. You know, more questions? K.

Moving on to updated code of conduct. So, you know, you all approved our code of conduct not so long ago. You probably remember that. The reason it's back to you is as we were going through it, we realized that when we did the update, we had dropped one line, which is the last one. And if you scroll down, it is inappropriate use of our estrones. This is a huge problem for us, and somehow somehow can you keep going? Yeah. It's number 26. Yeah. That it is this is just one of our biggest challenges, and we suddenly realized somehow it had fallen off because it had been on the previous one.

So I just wanted to bring it up and remind y'all that we do need to approve that because I will tell you it's almost on a daily basis, if not, at least a minimum of one, if not more than that times that we have to ask someone to stop and ask gently ask them to deal for the day. So it's a huge challenge. Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah.

It's hard. It's for, a community center. Right? So people would look for bathroom to come and use.

Yeah. Well, we don't mind if they use the bathroom. Our problem is the the ones who are bathing and who are sleeping and who start washing their clothes. Who's gonna be doing their laundry. And they, you know, make a mess, and then we just And

people try to use the restroom.

Right. Right. Or, you know, they go in and they'll light up. It's just they do all kinds of things, and then people like, no. Wait. Where did it go? We dropped it. So sorry about that. Request that you're there.

Right? Otherwise, we're like, where does it say? It doesn't say

I can't do Yeah. That's exactly it. Yeah. Mhmm. Is there a motion

to approve the updated code of conduct? I'll make a motion to approve it. There a second? Second. All

in favor, say aye. Aye. All opposed?

Motion passes. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So with that and

I know we just voted on it, but did you mentioned they go in there and light up. Should that be included? It's in other places. Oh, in other I

don't know. Know. You know, if even if they even when that wasn't there, we can find something that will that applies. Okay. But it's much better if it's just spelled out. Right? Yeah.

No lighting up in the library. But we didn't say the restaurant. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, and we always say that you you should not interfere with other people. That is the sort of the bottom line. Whatever you do should not interfere with the way other people can use the library. So it's you know, it's usually it will fall under that.

Updated computer is passing. Okay. And this, again, this is very simple. As I said, you know, we have over 26,000 users per year right now. And so one of our big we you know, the city council, especially with the budget cuts, has been very, what should I say, has been very clear that we should really focus on what our core services are.

And among that, Tom, core services is making computer and Internet available to the public. And so, anyway, we've been trying to make sure we have everything up to date, and this could be it's a very simple common sense kind of computer use policy. But, again, just like with the code of conduct, we do need to spell things out. And so we have it there. And, you know, just also making sure that adults know that the Internet is not like, you know, we have no control over what you do on the Internet. It's your responsibility and your right to use the computers. So and there's the cost of the printing. Sorry. 15¢

a page sounds really expensive. Are you, like, adding to your base cost? That's Is that base cost for you?

Yeah. 15¢ a page? Yeah.

That's that's what I paid, like, Castro Valley labor a long

time ago. So Yeah. I think

But I'm just wondering. It sounds excessive to me. But if you buy a ream of paper and I'm just wondering if you've actually looked at that, and

that's actually the cost of labor. Toner is very expensive. Gonna say about the paper. Yeah. And if, actually, if we start looking at actual costs including staff time, it would be a lot more. Yeah. Yeah. If

you go up to number one, this is not the math. Mostly, it's more about the sheet. Is that larger font? The first number one. Is it?

It is slightly different. Okay.

I will Yes. That. Okay. That's true. It is. Yeah. Okay. It's updating her a lot. Yeah. I've seen the whole site.

Yeah. More of a

Oh, that's good. Alright. Yeah. Really? Wow. Right? Well, I suppose also it's more visible.

Yeah. I was I wouldn't know if it was

on purpose. Right? Because it's number one. No. No.

It's it's unintentional. Sorry. It's okay.

I'll make that motion to pass that for that from the reviews policy. K. Do you have a second? Second.

Chow, you gotta get your name

in there someone else. And you better start. I will try this again.

Oh, I'm like All

those in favor, aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion passes.

Wow. Thank you. Zipping Maybe,

like, cleaning things up, brains. That's right. Yeah.

So as you know, we discovered, unfortunately, that the day one of one of the days we had thought was open at City Hall, actually, a small meeting a a departmental meeting happens in the evening, so it it isn't available. So here are our two choices. You know, the city our library commission really wanted us to save money, and we had requested to go. If we could do it in City Hall, we don't have to pay for the guard in the evenings. That's why it saves us money.

And so these are the two options right now open to us. We could meet on the fourth Monday from five to 9PM or on the first Thursday from five to 9PM. So, yeah, I will say for us, Thursdays, if it well, Mondays, the library is not open, but we and admin do work on Mondays. But it is hard for staff if they have to do presentations to come in on a day when they're not working. All our staff are pretty much working Tuesday through Saturday now. So if you were to ask me, I would say Thursdays, but we can make whichever one work. So I have

a question regarding to the timing because I'm off work at five.

You know, we'll be fine. We'll just see when it will be available.

You will just That one is Okay. 06:30. 06:30 will still be the same. Okay. Pick it up, maybe.

Right. Yeah. No. No. No. Okay. Just yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's just available, the TV.

It doesn't make sense to me to do it on

a day when staff aren't working. Yeah. So the only real option is Thursday. If we get six thirty minutes. I always want Yeah. To No.

That works for me. Yeah. That's actually one time that

I don't have any meeting. So

or Thursdays. It was the version of the Oh, crap.

What would go down if you did

Yeah. The first is first

is The first Thursday of the month?

I do the food pantry on

the first third Thursday. And I

was gonna say I have another commission board that I'm on on the first Thursday.

So we got two Mondays if you want. Two more. Monday?

No. It's okay. That's why you're

there. I

like traffic, man.

We got there Monday. Out of control room.

Four. Yeah. Monday said they should just push it back. So fourth Monday? Yeah. Yeah. That works for me. Fine. What's wrong? I just can't do the first and third. What about you, Jacqueline?

I can't do the first Thursday. So Mondays are fine. Yeah. I don't have a problem with that. But like she mentioned, the staff may have a difficult

Yeah. But, you know, we can make it work. We have to

No. What what what were you saying?

The fourth Thursday is an option?

No. I was I was asking about our previous Monday schedule. Oh. Is it an option for presentations to be done virtually?

Mhmm.

That's because they're not I know the AV, the teleconference accommodations.

I don't know what that is. It's it's really a question of them not working. If they we can ask them to come in. I mean, this we can work around it. We'll work around it, and I can do a lot of the presentations. Yeah. But we can. Yeah. We'll certainly Yeah.

That I mean, I don't wanna demean everybody, and it's lovely to see everybody come in. But those of us who've been around for a while have seen these presentations a lot, and it does take up a lot of time and a lot of staff. I mean, we can read. Yeah. We can do presentation. We can I mean, this was a problem

Yes? Years ago when nobody would do any of the reading, and we're like, you have to go through this all.

So it's not the worst thing.

Yeah. And we did talk about being more diligent around sending materials and It makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Just coming with questions. And

yeah. Okay. Alright. So fourth of

review of what the information is on the presentation, then an opportunity for questions is fine. Like, you went through the

whole This Yeah. Thing with I mean, you

went through probably what we needed to because we had those policies.

Yeah.

Remember the old meetings where

we had the obvious questions asked over and over again, which was, okay, numbing.

Yeah. Yeah. But I think the length of the the technology one that we just did today was, like, the perfect Okay. Like Yeah. That's the less. Yeah. Okay. Especially when we're getting the

Yeah. I mean, I'd much rather have

a lot more question and answer time Mhmm.

Okay. Discussion. Yeah.

So a motion probably for We haven't figured out

the time yet. Maybe we should

call it. On 06:30 at eight? Yes. As currently. Okay.

I think that That's what

I said. Yeah. Let's see if

they're put be fair. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the new meeting time from Monday, 06:30 to eight at 2AM City Hall.

Come on, Jacqueline. You wanna get your name and then? I second. Okay. I was just trying to

make sure my calendar was always open. Okay.

We wanna make sure.

Yes. Motion all all those in favor of changing the meeting to the fourth Monday at 06:30.

City Hall.

In City Hall. Thank you. Say aye. Aye.

Sorry. Question. Yes. They'll say, give you the options.

I know. I've been parking in

Room 2 A. Anyone oppose? Okay. Motion passes. Changing our meeting to Monday the fourth Monday of the month at 06:30 at City Hall. Thank you. Good. So we're like at

I don't even know where we

are now. I know. I need

to read So it'll be in about a month.

In April. Right? Oh, no. No.

Because we're doing other month. Right? Do we have it I don't even know if we have it.

Yeah. Can't remember anymore. What the We were our schedule is.

Because now I'm I'm scared that

I forgot May. My other So we don't we don't have any

Okay. And so the next meeting will be May. And and just to get back to also being, you know, diligent and conscious of time is we did say, you know, we don't won't do the same presentations every year. Sometimes there's nothing as going to just the same thing. So we'll try to be conscious of when we bring something, it should have something of that view at being here. Yeah. Well, I love. Yeah.

But I mean, of times of Memorial. Yeah. It is. The next meeting is the one that

you're right. One group. May? '7.

February. March 5.

Twenty fifth. That's

this is May oh. Well, we can move it.

We can move can move it to,

one week. We can do one week early then. But we do for month.

For that month? Yeah. Because What if we do April 27 instead? Like, do the

Do April 27 instead of Or

what do guys want? Well, you guys decide. That's what you guys

Well, you know, I mean, that's

a good proposal. But we

have told our absent commissioners that there is no meeting in April. April.

I don't think that matters at this point.

Yeah. I mean, I don't. Our next one, June 1, and then just meet twice in June, and then the twenty ninth.

Well Oh, no. No. So since we are since you're now voting on a new date, I mean, this is the time to say we'll have you know? And one of the things we can do now, because they're going into the fourth Monday, that if that Monday is a holiday, we'll just go into the third Monday. So think that's okay. Know, which way we can come back into City Hall. We come back to the library, but just, you know, we

will Okay. Because at eighteen.

Yeah. Eighteen.

Eighteen of what? May.

Let me just The next. Our next. Oops. I'm gonna just show it.

It's not many of them.

That's okay. Which was our old would have been on that.

Yeah. Yeah. Would have been. Okay.

Okay. So can you just sorry. Make the make it part of the motion that this and also that if it's forced, it's not available, we'll do it on

the authority. What's the reopen?

So we Second part motion. You can do Yeah.

Second

part for this motion is to move our next meeting on the May due to the Memorial Day holiday and then continue after that on the fourth Monday of every month.

I second.

You know, I'll move first. I thought she was making the emotion, if I'm a mistake. I I move to make the emotion to edit the, to amend the previous motion for change to change our meeting for the month of May to the third Monday. And then

So for afterward, continue to the fourth Monday of each month.

I love it.

All in favor. I know. I. All opposed. Motion passes. Alright. Good. Wow. This That was great. Love it.

I think we're at the toe. And I'm sorry. The this thing says right. So we'll go ahead and check after that. New

business is National Libraries Workers Week. Last year, we talked about supporting our library workers and things that we can do, to celebrate them. I believe there was two things that we did. We did a digital e ecard where we were able to put up different notes just, saying our thanks, and then we also created a a worksheet for students and library work, library patrons to come in and write what their favorite thing about their library workers are. So I think this discussion is around what we would like to do, as a commission to kinda celebrate that in April in any.

It's on the nineteenth to the April 25, the at National Library Week, and the Tuesday is always National Library Workers' Day. So did we order cookies at one one time too? I have.

Have. I only commissioned one order cookies.

She did cookies for Mr. Martin's. Okay. I don't have any funds to order anything.

I think she paid. Right. There was She donated.

Yeah. She donated. So the National Library Week is April 19 through the twenty fifth. Are there activities already set up

for that week? We don't do really a lot of stuff. We just set up.

Okay. So you want donations for that whole week or just pick a day?

Or no. It's something

to do. Is just a discussion. Okay. I personally would love to do something, even if it is what we did last year just because of the hard transition time with the budget cuts and everything, and just to show our appreciation for them. And it is a new cookie shot that will be in hand.

I know right there. Right? I used

to trust the student. It's

better it's better. Right. I

would say that, to me, one of the most heart heartening things is hearing that other people appreciate the work that I'm putting in. It's it's nice for us as commissioners to do that. Is there some way to let the public maybe have a whiteboard? I I know there's a chance people are gonna write inappropriate things, but if it's a whiteboard, you can wipe it off. Write something about their experiences. Well

Yeah. So it's hard

to attribute to that.

One of the things we did and we do this year round. You'll see we have those cards we put out, and people write their messages, and we hang them up. Mhmm. We could do something like that. Mhmm. Yeah. Definitely. That'd be nice. A lot

of people come in and have a really enriching experience with their library who's really helpful. And it's just nice to let let the staff know, especially when they're going through such an emotionally devastating time, that people really do appreciate what they're doing and not just us as commissioners. Yeah. I'll take

it to the staff again. It is work, but we won't take it to the staff. And do you, like, put

up a banner in National Library Workers Week downstairs? No.

No. No. We don't. Yeah. Banner's are expensive.

That's my I do agree. That's Yeah. So what I was thinking of is, like, contests Mhmm. Here for the public, making the banner would be one, like, the in the kids' room. Who's gonna make the best thank your librarian banner kind of thing? But I was also thinking, not not my forte, but, like, have a contest for the best social media post on whatever they I don't know.

What the kids use? Instagram or something where, you know, you

made those ridiculous things about the library that I never understood Instagram. Yep. So, like like, have them make that and have a contest where, you know, whatever the best one wins the best video, and then they then there would be a

bunch of videos thanking the library. Well, I just want to say any contest we do is work for the staff. I was gonna say right. You see, just put in pressure.

We right. We don't want the staff to be doing more.

Yeah. I just want how many staff?

We have I would say we are now at about 41. Well, a semi halftime. So I'd say about 45, 46 people. Yeah. Because I

was just thinking if appreciate them, we can, like, provide a gift card of some kind to the staff to acknowledge that we appreciate them being in yeah. Like, it'll be a donation, of course, to acknowledge

the staff. I think that that requires money. Yeah.

Commissioner Ford, I I have another thing.

On your idea about the about the best banner for the kids, instead of making it the best banner, have some art supplies and some paper in the children's room and ask them to write or draw a picture of what they like about their library. And then you can paint it up when wherever.

It's just done last time. Yeah.

Combining those two ideas, I think we can probably get a custom ban a blank banner and then have them colored in so it already has, like, national And then then color it in. And then the donation would be us purchasing the the banner and then having it out in the children's section. But I think what we did last year, would also satisfy your idea around giving the different, like, individual praise around their experiences. Even lower lift, in terms of praise. It's not as personal, but you all go to the grocery store.

You know, they ask you to do the little heart. Like, give a dollar for the heart. And at the stadium, they do, like it's a way to get it's like a survey feedback where it's like a sad face or a happy face. And maybe it's just having some type of, like, Valentine's Day box, and there's little hearts in there. Anytime they're happy with the the library staff, they just drop in a heart or, like, a token. And then at the end, like, it's like, look at how many, like, like, in real life likes instead of, like That's cute. Yeah. Yeah. Which I'm happy to create and do, and it just sits there. But Yeah.

Think that have a box. I do like the idea. I'm going to say just because it's something we do all the time is the little cards, and we just say what you love about your library or something. Just put those out and let them write it because that is the simplest for us. Yep. I'm just really trying to people up for staff at a minimum. Everyone is so stretched thin. So I'm happy with that, if if that's okay with you. I I'm just trying to find a way to staff work at a minimum. Mhmm.

I I love I mean, you already have the worksheet too. You could use the one from last year.

Have it? Can you send it to me again? I can send it to to

me again. Yeah. And then I'm not just going back to commissioner the book's idea about the gift card because there's so many staff, I don't know if it may would make more sense to do, like, a doughnut day or, like, doughnuts and coffee. That in terms of keeping costs manageable for everyone and being able to, like, do everything together because I'm happy to also donate towards that.

Yeah. Like a bagel day or a couple of days. Yeah. That's a good idea. Just one of the days of that week. Right? If that's if that's I mean, that wouldn't obviously cover all employees, but at least it would cover whoever was on staff that day, you know, if there was

And I, you know, I can

have food access. Depending on what's going on then, you know, I could get a bunch of various snacks and just drop them off. Because as a teacher, you know, just food. It's food. Mhmm. Yeah.

I know it it might be a lot of, like, PTA week.

Yeah. Like, what's PTA?

Like, we get together for a teacher appreciation week like that. Right?

Everything. Like, even the snacks in a nice 60 little ribbon for around, like

Or just a big snack platter.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you want to do that again, April 19 to the twenty fifth is a good time. Does that sound like commissioners can

talk to themselves with, like, you know, individually? Yeah. But it's not

not a brown eye tissue. Brown eye tissue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you guys

can email about that. If one were to bring cookies or donuts here, just, you know, volunteer to bring them. Do you guys have, like, a staff room or Yeah. Cafeteria room where you could

put them? We have a staff room.

So we just go downstairs and say You

can just drop it off.

Send to the staff. Yeah.

Put your card if you don't mind. I think it would be really nice if

it's a little side works and then you put this sign. Yeah.

I mean Yeah. You know?

I'm got this in here.

Yeah. I mean, if

we all just went, oh, look what I found and just, you know,

dropped it in whenever.

So I think

I mean, we can talk about it offline or through email.

And please include me when you're ready.

So when you're whatever you're posting. But at least a card, the the work worksheets public worksheet that people can fill out or praise, and then, a combination of, like, a doughnut doughnuts and coffee or snack, cart platter. Never know. Yeah. What a how. Good.

Yeah. I love it. So the idea is to have a specific day when we will bring something here for them to eat. Right? Yeah. Well, we we can all do a different or, like, or we can all come in

and drop a bunch off the same day or different days or whatnot.

Choose or choose each of us take a day too depending on what how every everyone's comfort level is because that is also would be nice that every day a commissioner Mhmm. Sponsors. Right? Yeah. We have snack day. We have coffee day. Yeah.

And then they're like, yeah.

Yeah. It's amazing. Fruit.

I don't know. Yeah. Mean, bagels. Thing that Fruit. Right. Whatever it is, don't make the sassy. I'm really at race. I have nothing on that. Yeah. You have

to work for that. Yeah. Mhmm. April 25. K. That's a Saturday.

A meal train. A snack an appreciation train. Mhmm.

Yeah. I'm a teacher. I meant all week here.

It's tricky. I know. Does make your lunch efficient.

So I'll give staff a heads up, and we'll be all ready. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Means That's really nice. Thank you.

What day we're going to drop off some for. Yep. Mhmm.

That's awesome. Thank you.

And the but, you know, if you've got

more, you could do more. Yeah. I would never know. You might make a sympathy bill. You need to get rid of them. You guys always get fat. You can make the 25.

The librarians fat. 22. Thank you. Moving on to old business. Yeah. I'm sorry. That right to read act, I think, shouldn't be there. That was already done. It's just been

a writing committee. Letter writing committee.

We have nothing on our plate. We have not said anything to write letters and. I've already done we've done

the right to read, and I forwarded information about it to the school district who would be the real beneficiaries, and they said they would get on the stick and write letters and support also. And that's about it. Report

from budget support committee. It's not we don't have

We don't have one right now.

Not now. There's no budget.

He left.

Report from community outreach committee.

I am the community outreach committee, and

I have nothing to report. Okay.

Any recommendations?

Can we find out if our new commissioner's really interested in being here? They are. Well, they are. I mean, then they both came in and met with me and did the you know? So they just had something. Commissioner Whitener is sick. She did. They both called and said they yeah. They did call in and asked to be excused. Yeah. And so you are attempting to recruit more commissioners, and I think We are in the process. July. Right? Yeah. This is a Yeah. We've been really putting out advertising. But if you all know people, please reach out to them. Yeah. I got one person who reached out, but she didn't live in within the city limits. But still, at least there's some interest. Yeah. Mhmm.

How many commissioners do we need to or are we trying to add?

There is let's see. There are seven. Seven? Nine. How many There's There's a big smile. Missing. Six. Yeah. So three, then there's three vacancies. Yeah. We have to have nine. Well, nine is the number.

Yeah. I already got the notice of

do you wanna be reappointed?

Update. We

we don't Yeah. Okay. We all need to work on

somebody who really wants to be in

the library. I'm gonna get Ray. Ray would be perfect.

Is that brilliant? He's he's

a he does the English conversation. But he does he helps with technology here. He photographs stuff here. Yeah. He's literally in the library every day, and then he goes to all

the other library with his son every day. So he'd be perfect.

And he's an English learner. He's he'd be great.

Mhmm. I just need to convince him.

Moving on to reports. Library. Yeah. Okay. And since we didn't have

a February meeting, you know, I had talked about we had a lot of events in February that went really well. But a couple of things coming I just wanted to mention is on Tuesday next week, it was, you know, now farm worker's day. We we close traditionally to do our it is a business closure day, but we do have a staff day that day. And this year, again, we'll be doing our staff training and team building day. So that's really nice.

And we received a donation from a patron who was really sad about the library cuts and also very moved by the library staff speaking in the city council Mhmm. And actually gave us a donation and is sponsoring our lunch for. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. So for staff day. Yeah. One thing we're doing is there's a program called One Book, One Coast, and that is California, Oregon, and Washington State. All three will read the same book at the same time. And so we are participating in that also. And the book that we are doing is called They Called Us Enemy by George Takei. And it's about the yeah. It's a graphic novel.

It's a

Yeah. And it's it's What was it by again? I'm sorry. George Takei, t a k e I. He was on Star Trek, the original Star Trek. Zulu. Zulu. Yeah. Yeah. And it's about the Japanese Japanese incarceration during World War two. And we and I know the library libraries as they decided felt it was very relevant to what's going on in the in the country right now about how they're treating immigrants, and so it's part of that. And so in in April, May, the readings will be April, May, June. So we'll have some book club meetings and discussion groups and things like that. We're gonna have taiko drummers in the library also. So it'd be nice.

You know, try to just they called they called us I mean, and they called us. And And I'll I'll send it. I follow-up.

I usually follow-up. So yeah.

And then just a couple of things, and I don't want to take away things you might have talked about. I just wanna say March 11 was Hayward's hundred and fiftieth anniversary. We had a really nice party in the city. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. No. No. I I won't say too much.

And No. That's fine. No. I I'm not gonna say because you said it.

I was going to mention also the mayor's annual state of the city speech was the next day. The March I didn't have that one. I didn't know. Okay. So Alright. But it was actually really nice. I talked this year because covered all of the departments really. I mean, it's it's difficult times, but there is so much good happening in the city. And so that was really nice to hear that about how all the departments are doing so much. So it was just really very nice. And then we're getting ready for bring your child to work day on Thursday, April 23. That's always a lovely event in the city. Last year, it was at the library. This year, it'll be held at the at the yard for, you know, maintenance services. So that's where we're going to be.

And it's just there's just so many children, and it's just very sweet. So so that's what we're looking forward to. Exciting times. Right. City council. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, so the budget work continues. I I mean, I think we are gonna get to at least, like, a zero budget this year. Right? But but that's with a lot of pain, obviously. There were there were layoffs and, obviously, cuts all over the city. It's really hard. And, you know, the hope is from there to sort of make structural changes to to be able to get to the next year. I mean, it really is like a gonna call it three to five year cycle to Yeah. Get us back to, you know, a healthy reserve and all of that. Yeah.

Right now, I think we're really working hard with the labor partners to you know, we we're trying to avoid any further layoffs. I think that's the goal because, like, you found out today, like, you really can't sustain any more layoffs. I mean, services are already being impacted, and I think everybody wants to avoid that. So I think that those negotiations are ongoing right now to to to try to, you know, hold that off. And then we will continue with some onetime, like, transfers from measure c and things like that in order to to, you know, keep moving forward with the budget. So, you know, stay tuned on that one. There's more to come, but, you know, it's still it can be hard for a while. I mean, so like, you were talking about core services. We're talking we're looking at that through the whole city. What does it mean for cities?

What are cities' core services? Right? And what are the things we did over the years that maybe we're extending ourselves and we really can't afford to keep doing? And those are really hard discussions and hard decisions. And so, yeah, feel free to

listen in on, like, you know,

the meetings, and we're we're kind of always talking about it now.

I do have one question before you move on. Yeah.

Yeah. So I noticed in my community, I'm I'm off of Santa Clara area. Mhmm. A lot of businesses are closing are closed. Mhmm. Is that of because it's affecting the the budget of the city, or is that just No. Something totally different?

Yeah. I mean, that I don't I mean, that would have to do more probably with just, like, economic times. Right? You know? Okay. It is so I mean, you know, everything is more expensive for people, and so people are going out less, like, to stores.

I mean, I don't know what kind

of stores there, but I think that is more of

a One is like a grocery store. Saint Point. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, that is And Walgreens. At a time.

Walgreens. Yeah. Yeah. That's the big stores that are clothing, not just

the mall stores.

But And I

think yeah. And I don't know. I mean, that think I it's just sort of what is happening in society. You know, people are shopping differently. They're going out less. All of that. I mean, everything is more expensive. Think I think for a while, the theft part was a big deal for places like Walgreens, but Okay. Think that was also just people ordering all

the stuff online.

No. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're Only anything in that little plaza

about to clog.

Yeah. I would I would say that's more societal than grocery. Than the city. No. We, of course, don't want any of those to close. Because that hurts our sales tax bottom line.

Yeah. That's why I was wondering. Mhmm.

I know that's how they affect the budget and some kind of Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it does have to do with the projections. Like, there's consultants that work with us to give projections on where the sales tax will come from or not come from. So, no, it's really hard seeing all that. I do think that there's there's this weird changing times in how people operate in the world. I mean, you've seen the explosion of, like, you know, food vendors, right, out on the streets, and the restaurants are having a hard time. And I think that is a sign of, you know, people feel like, well, maybe I can spend $5 at the food vendor instead of walking in the store, and I may be out 20. And so I think there is habits are changing, but I don't know. I left a whole, like you know, just said said he had economic development,

but it's really hard to watch. Yeah. Yeah.

And then at the same time, I found out that what they was building across from the Lucky's is gonna be station for Highway Patrol.

Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. They've

been doing that for all. Like, they're all

Like, they're closing the three different major, like, Casco Valley. They're gonna come together.

Closed that already. Yeah.

So Casco Valley, San Leandro, San Lorenzo, all those are closing, and then they're all gonna be right there.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I

mean, that's gonna be this major hub. They have this huge, like Right. Tower up there now. And yeah. Yeah. I mean, in some places, like, you know, the new Sprout Center on Mission Boulevard, that's been really well, though. I don't know if

it's changing. I have a nice day. That place is

day and day. That whole parking thing.

I feel like,

you know, some downtowns will just, like, go really dark, and other neighboring downtowns will all of a sudden revitalize. So I just feel like it's I don't know. It's an economic wonder, and all of

this is gonna help. There was a sign on the CVS on the corner here that closed. Isn't there gonna be a sports bar?

Yeah. It's called hall pass. I don't know how likely I don't know if you knew, like, how likely that is to open. But, yeah, that's the plan.

That's the same thing.

Something that people would like, not being.

But The the same guy that owns Craft Pizzeria is doing that one. So and Storybook up in downtown. He's not just doing real And there's coffee shops opening.

So yeah. I don't know.

But, yes, the question I wrote.

Yeah. Let's see. So, yes,

the budget. And then recent last night, I, yeah, I wasn't there to have been on the crisis, but there was a really good discussion last night on street safety because we've had these horrific accidents in the last few months, which are awful. And so there's just this ongoing sort of concern now about making Crossroads more safe. And and I know the the city manager has talked about doing they're they're doing, like, a kind of a crisis response team when some of these horrible actions happen accidents happen. So so there's work being done there, which I think is, you know, positive considering how how bad the news has been there.

Let's see. And then you probably also heard in the news, like, not to bring this up, but the city manager mentioned it last night. There is this police department scandal that's happened in Hewry. He probably saw that and had to do with the massage parlors. And so that I think the city is just trying to get ahead of that. You know? Just

Okay.

You know, she talked about it last night, and it is true this happened, and and this person is now under investigation, and that investigation will develop, and we'll all sort of hear about it in

the news. Yeah. You don't wanna go into what what the background is there?

It it's it's I will Well, it was in the news. Yes. I read the news.

Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

I mean It's chief Matthew's son-in-law. Brother-in-law. Brother-in-law

took a thousand dollar bribe to cover our massage parlor. That's just right near my house.

Yeah. Right around Main Street. Yeah. Right on

I my understanding he has now pled not guilty, so there there will be no investigation. But that does and it was a whole bigger chain of massage parlors from San Jose, which is where the investigation started, and then it turns out they own this one in Hayward too. So so we'll we'll find out more about that because we don't you know, this all sort of, you know, put in the letters and investigation. So we'll see. But just wanted you guys all to know because it was in the news now and it's been mentioned. And then, yeah, like like, Genti said, so there was a referral last night to change the the child's data, Farmworkers Farmworkers Day. Right? Farmworkers. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so

I think that will

be it going forward.

And if I can just add. So our bust of Cesar Chavez is gone. We had a Cesar Chavez. My social justice collection, that's also gone, so we're gonna have to relabel everything. Why? Because of the whole scandal with the Caesar Chambers.

You've been have you

listened to the news at all?

News, minors, and Oh, yeah. And actually has two children with Dolores with that which she covered up. That was

You have not been listening to the news. I have been saying like

Yeah. And, yeah, one was pressure, and

the other one was Well, we've discovered the big problems in society. It's the Yeah.

So now, I mean, the state was right. They led, I think, on a change of problem with this day

and this payroll. Change system. Yeah. You

know, my how our hair is evolving. Yeah. Well, people can be bad people and still do the same. That co pay. Right. But people need to be held Men need to

be held responsible. Let me just say it's 99.1%. Men need to be held responsible.

You know what thing I think is interesting around this whole thing is it is elevating some of the other people from the movement, like this Italovira Cruz. Like, it was apparently you know, the great I guess the grape pickers union was led, but it was mainly Filipino, and they kind of got squashed. So it's interesting. I'm learning this. So so it's allowing other heroes to rise, I think, in the head. So I find that really interesting to learn about. You know?

One of the middle schools in Union City

is I I worked there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, apparently, like, you know, he kinda got a little sidelined in the Cesar Chavez, like, glory, and he's kind of being elevated again. Yeah. It's interesting. I so the other thing that happened recently, which is something I'm proud of, but it might be slightly controversial, is Hayward is moving forward and participating in a Russell City redress fund. So in, you know, in conjunction with the county and the school district or in the the Albany County Board Of Education in coming together to to fund a $1,300,000 fund to to start sort of giving sort it's minor redress, of course.

It's not gonna compensate for any of the, you know, the harm, right, or or any kind of, like, generational wealth or anything like that. But it is an acknowledgment following the apology that happened in New York. And so that work is happening right now. We just passed a resolute. I guess we just agreed to fund I think it's called philanthropy venture fund, and that's the nonprofit that will house the money, and then checks will be re

What was the name

again? It's called philanthropy venture fund. It's an organization the county has worked with. And so every all the the county and the city and well, everyone will deposit their funds into this into this nonprofit. And then there will be criteria announced in the next few months probably about eligibility, and the the priority is going to be seniors, you know, those sort of all those members of people that are still living that actually own land there and were dispossessed of other land. So so that's something that's gonna be happening now in the

next few months. I overheard something is supposed

to be happening on June 23. Is there something to that?

So that is things are getting completed with Yeah. That's the Alameda County Reparations Commission.

Okay. And they,

I believe, might be doing a final report on their work Okay. Which is doing it's it's been really hard to not conflate the two. Right? That is larger reparations work. You know? I think some some of the work and just general sort of race policies and things like that. They do talk about Russell City because it is it is a portion of reparations, but it is, you know, a specific sort of geographic area, people who are, you know, had land and, you know, didn't get Fairmark of Valley Point. So we're trying to not complain at you because reparations is a much bigger topic, obviously. So, anyway, that's something coming up. I just think it's interesting and you know?

And then then the last thing I was gonna talk about because, you know, we're talking about how there are good things going on. I serve on the sustainability committee, and we just had a report last month. I just find this really interesting. That Hayward, after a ten year effort and, apparently, there were all sorts of students involved in everything in creating trash capture devices that were in all our sewers. And Hayward is now recovering a 100% of our trash capture going from going up in the sewer system from going to the bay. It's a mandate by, like, a local water boarder. I don't know. Miami Water boarder. But it's really cool. We have some huge ones, I mean, out by the bay where they capture all this trash.

So I just think you know, because they reported on it, and I didn't realize it was a ten year effort. Right. It's, like, 600 sewers that that they have these devices in now. And I I just think, you know, here we're still doing some really good work out there is my point. Yes. Mhmm. So despite the bad news of the budget.

Yeah. That's my report.

Library commissioners. Oh, do you

want me to just give something on the back of

the Sorry. Yes. I don't I'm just the library.

Well, so, you know, friends of the library have gone through a lot of difficult times, and they had lost their nonprofit status. They're working really hard. They actually have a lawyer. They're working with a lawyer too, and they're gonna actually re reconvene under a new name. And so they're in the process of doing that and just getting everything worked out. So I'm really glad it's been seven years we've been trying to get this to happen. And so It's been that long, but it's been that something time I joined. Wow. Yeah. So but now we are actually literally working on it. We have the lawyer, and they they start the whole trial, they've got a new EIN number, everything. So they are almost there. Almost. Yeah.

There's some good new members on there, right, that are helping to do this.

Yeah. Can I ask about the

the because I know somehow I got myself involved in the I'm the liaison for the early literacy council now? And I want do we ever do report on them, or is that a different kind of organization?

So when we do the literacy, like, once a year, we do a literacy report. Okay. That's the same time they come in. They come in. Good. Okay. Good.

Library commissioners.

I just wanna say if you're interested, Ursula Jones Dixon, who

is the Alameda County DA, will be at the Hayward Dems meeting at the Botfelins Hall, which is really hard to find, but it's probably parked here. Mhmm. Remember wandering around the back there? It is hard. Anyway, Friday at six, even though Francisco put it

was April. I saw it. Texas. Yes. Oh my god. Yes. So it's this Friday. If you would like, she's great. She's really cool. I met her last year before she just went

to bed.

And where is she gonna be?

It's at the Hayward Dent. It's the Oddfellows Hall. So it's maybe you can send the flyer to everyone. You wanted to can you do that? Well, it makes it look great.

But Yeah. I can send Well, but Francisco never puts

where it is. He just says the Oddfellas Hall. So if you go on B Street, there's that building with the big c in it. You walk around the alley behind or you know where the the porn store is? The the

in well, our there's That's what

I'm down. Right?

There's a

little parking lot in the middle. Don't try

to park there. There's no parking. But the building on B Street here, it's it's the it's got the record shop. Go around the aisle behind it.

I sent you the fire.

Go upstairs through the gate, and there's this wild it's

the Odd Fellas Hall. It's great.

Anyway Maybe I can send this stuff

to you. Tomorrow. I would there's never any parking in that lot. I would just park here.

No. Friday. No. Tomorrow. Friday.

Friday. Park here, walk down, and then just after the record shop, turn left,

and you go around the swimming and go,

where the hell am I? And then you watch us wandering around, and you go, oh, yeah.

Oh, you saw all of the people. Yeah. I found you and Angela wandering around. Yeah. And somebody found me trying to Terrible. Okay. Well, he used to have it at

Fire Hall. Yeah. That was easier. That's a lot easier.

Anyway, I think it would be

really great to

work with her.

Yeah. I'm gonna

try to make it. Yeah.

I have two announcements. The follow your the Doctor. Harry Edwards Follow Your Bliss award was launched. Is it open? It's open.

Because I've been everywhere. I've been checking.

Okay. It should be open now, which last year, one of our our library staff members won that recognition. We this is open for, k through 12 educators as well as community, partners or community educators, which would land under the library and administrators. So in the k through 12 space, we select two winners from each of the categories, which is k five, six, eight, high school, administrative, community partners, and, so 10 total winners, and each winner gets a $2,000 grant to use at their institution, whether that is the library, their school that they work at in that school year and also get an on field recognition out of the season game. So this This is very I definitely send you.

Yeah. I will send you that, and please share it with your networks, on top of if you have someone in mind to nominate. Our nomination window will be longer this year, and go will go a little bit into the summer, I believe, or at least to the May, June. And this previous year, we've done, like, a a gala. This year, we won't be doing a gala, but we will be doing, like, a breakfast the same day as that on field recognition.

Mhmm.

The second thing is that through our community, the 49ers community relations department, they have a social justice grant that has a two year cycle that is now opened for for applicants. And they I will send this information because I don't know this one off the top of my head, but they have, different categories that they support, and one of them is education, I think police relations and reform. And there's a third different area economic growth and support. So this I believe there's one winner, and it gets a $100,000 grant for two so 50 and 50 for two years, which is a huge opportunity. I believe nonprofits have to be in existence or are at least established for at least two years and obviously show share all that information, but also a really good opportunity for any of those organizations that, may need that support and great recognition and elevation.

Mhmm. Because on top of that, they get a press release and just the association allows them to kind of get more funding from other from other areas. Awesome. So I will share both of those, and I'm not quite sure what the deadline is for the social justice grant, but I will get that to you

as soon as I can. Great. Great. Mhmm. Think everybody needs to go ahead get to every grade. You're living well. I know.

Any other updates or comments from commission reports?

I have a comment. I had the opportunity this past weekend to visit the African American Museum Library and did not know that there was a actual library, not just a museum, but also a library. And I got

a library card. This is at Oakland.

In Oakland. It's in love. So born

and raised in Oakland. I passed that building all the time, and it's over the weekend was my first time inside. So it was very interesting, very enlightening. Learned a lot about Oakland, and ended up with a library card leaving there. And then, also, I am in a sorority, but our divine nine sorority and fraternities are opening up their scholarships for high school students, and I can send that information.

So if you know any graduates that are looking for funding for their schools that they're attending in the fall, this is a good time. Most of the scholarships are you can get yearly. So it's not just for high school. You can keep your name in Manhattan. Keep keep one constant. So I will definitely send that information as well.

If you want to send it all to me, I'm just Okay. Yeah. Okay. Can I make one

oh, and this is just sort of fun? You know, in American Idol right now, there's a a girl from from Hayward Yeah. That's competing. I I to make team or I

can't remember her name. I just heard of Joe. Yeah. And she was on I was like, wait. Okay.

So you guys watch. Make sure you're voting for her. Yeah. She's her mom's friends. Oh, what's the name of the organization there? Unintended treasures, unlimited treasure. Yeah. And yeah. No. It looks like she she sings me watch it

because I wasn't watching it. Yeah.

Just happened to turn to it. I I think Monday it was on. Yeah. You're missing it on

the Juneteenth.

You're or, like, in a

month or year in. Yeah. Me too. I I I saw a question a long time ago, but Okay. It's just my keyword.

And so now she got me watching it. So Totally agree.

Anyway, that

would have been yeah. That was mhmm.

Alright. Moving on to agenda building agenda building, knowing that our next meeting is on May 18. Yeah. We

we're looking C plus plus. Okay. Yes.

That's fine. Yeah. Do you Janti, do you have a suggestion in terms of keeping what we currently have on here or based off of us skipping a meeting? So, you know, I

went and redid it Okay. Trying to, you know, make sure that things that haven't come in in a while are have been moved up. And so that's what we have. I still I have a couple of, you know, what's this called, unscheduled items at the bottom there. But I'm really trying to do just make sure that we are not just repeating over and over the same thing. I do think that

the staff center update would be good, and maybe you could do that just a little just for Send us something by email. Maybe you'll

have to I actually moved it out because there is nothing new to report. And as soon as I have something to report, I will bring it. That's why I just put it there. Okay. Because I actually have it on my list for a director's report to check every time. I know we don't have anything here to report. K? But work is still proceeding with it. Right? It is. But it's very much it's very much what she does Approached the amount of what was being planned. So Mhmm. Yeah. But in the process of getting a new plan for phase two. Mhmm. Some Yeah. I mean, there was a

big funding gap there even without the budget cuts. Right? Even without the budget problems. Yeah. I think that was very ambitious budget.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And and AI is someone on your staff, or are you the, like, sort of the point person who would know any new developments in that arena that would affect the library services?

Well, yes and no. You know? But it's really it's something that we are like, we don't want to be the leaders on. We're a small library compared, so we are watching what our neighbors are doing, and then we will follow slowly. We will use it if we can benefit in terms of saving money, getting something. But right now, it's not really at the state where we would benefit as far as we can.

Alright. I think that wraps us up. So What? At 07:50.

I don't know if that gave my

daughter

enough time to do