Planning & Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

You were spazzing each other now. So, you know, we can do that. We grew up together. We can do that. Call the meeting to order. Roll call, please. Okay. Anderson here. Espinosa. Sorry. Here. [laughter] Graham. Yep. Jackson here. Miles here. Randall here. And Kudel is absent with notice. Look for a motion to approve tonight's agenda. I'll make it a motion. Excuse me. Second. Motion and second to approve tonight's agenda. All in favor?

I opposed. Look for a motion to approve the minutes of the September 30th, 2025 meeting. I'll make a motion. Second. Motion a second. Approve the minutes from the September 30th, 2025 meeting. All in favor?

I opposed. [clears throat] Public chairs are empty except for those that are here for business. So, we have no public comments. And there we are at 7:01. So, we have plenty of time to hear from Mr. Christensen. Uh code enforcement items. I'm addressing pretty much the usual tree branch street licenses, parking on grass, and then no building permits. Building without a building permit. How are things looking up on North Vandermark? Um, you talking the hearing we had a while back?

I believe I got the 30th those Thursdays or deadline. So, I haven't checked anything really since. Okay. Oh, you haven't even looked to see if they're No, I haven't. um she was in the the owner's wife was in earlier this week on some other business and believe and she knows it's going to get checked again, but it sounds like they've moved the building. They brought in gravel to that parking area. So, it sounds like they're close if not already getting it all taken care. I haven't looked at it either. I said K's going to recheck it, but it sounds like they're getting everything in order. Yep. I got a notice for Thursday. Check it out. Good.

So earlier this summer, we gave notice to all of the property owners along Highway 38 and their ditches needed to be cut down and cleaned out. Cleaned up. What is the status on the post office? I have not heard from them. I know Trees and I kind of discussed it kind of with the difficulty of it, but suppose I could follow up. Do they hire that out? I'm seeing all the mowing and everything is hired out. [clears throat] I mean, do we know who Moss it? I don't know who it

um I'm pretty certain Todd WS does and Todd's not going to be wasn't interested in doing any of that because he mows the professional center and they hired us cuz he wasn't doing that.

He wasn't doing that either. But in the meantime, I've had questions from a couple old property owners is how come we got told we had to have it done by a certain day. We paid we paid people to come in and get this done everything else and nothing ever happened at the post office. And I mean, as one of them said to me, he said, "The city the city letter said, if I didn't have it done by this day, the city staff would be coming here to take care of it." City staff never did anything at the post office either. So the optics of not doing anything there is not good along that road right now.

Get that date. Yeah. What was the original date? Sometime back in August. So if so it should be done by the end of the week. So I reached out to their North Oaks address and then it's a property itself has like a Sou Falls address and I sent them a second letter and I never heard back. So I'll follow up with them. Correct me wrong. What the thing is that they lease on the property. Correct.

We were having a hard time getting who actual property owner is. I think that was the problem. the property owner's public notice on GIS. That's who owns it. Whatever his name is there. Yeah, that's what I went to. Who Who owns it? Todd. Todd knows it. Todd mows it. I'm sure he knows who owns it. Well, Todd gets paid by the postmaster because the tenant is in charge of lawn lawn care. So, is the postmaster there every day? Yep. Today is Tuesday. [clears throat]

There's three more days left on the week. Anybody have any other items? Mr. Christensen? If not, our timing is perfect as it is 7:05 and we'll go to our 705 conditional use area multif family units for lot one block one of Windsor edition. Teresa, if you'll do the staff report first.

Okay. In your packet is my staff report, but basically um code construction is um submitted an application um in conjunction with property owners. they um for a lot up there at the Windsor edition. They would like to um erect multi-units um on the property. There is actually seven buildings. Six of them will be 14 units. One of them is going to be a 10 unit. There is a site plan in your packet for you to look at. Um the entrance to the site is going to be off of Rubach Street, which is the street to the south there that's going to be placed in. Um they basically we've looked over, you know, I've listed them there on my report, but basically, you know, they're going to be within all city regulations as far as area setback, um landscaping, whatnot. Like I said, per our regulations though, any units over two, three or more do require conditional use per permit from this board. So you can review it. Um you can prove it as is. You can put various conditions on it. Um I know I talked with representative and he is here tonight um Caleb with it. Uh they are did indicate they're going to have a couple um spots for garbage or whatnot. Um I don't know exactly where maybe he can point it out a little bit more to us on that. Usually we do require some kind of fencing or you know screening on those um just so for the aesthetics of looking at it. Uh the on the site plan a couple of kind of grassy areas you can kind of find in the parking lot. Those are going to be um landscape and they're going to kind of be pet relief stations as well as on there. So, um, like I said, this is going to go on Rubach Street North.

It's going to be that large parcel for each of these buildings. So, any specific questions? And I'm, like I said, we do have a representative here that if you have any questions directly for them. Um, I'm going to make a comment on the refuge areas. Mhm. I know that it's always a big thing that we get apartment buildings, whatever, that we fence those, contain those, whatever it might be. Um, being in the snow removal business, it's a really bad idea because it kind of block or because like a silk fence or something because it it collects up blowing snow,

it fills them all in. Then the garbage company comes along and they can't roll the dumpster out. So they don't collect the garbage that week. Then all the garbage gets thrown in there and then it piles up some more. And then finally somebody gets around to saying to us, "Hey, we got a bunch of snow in there and the garbage guys can't do it." And then you come over and you get to move a dumpster full of garbage out before you clean the snow out of there. The places that that we've done snow here in town that don't have enclosures are so much nicer to take care of. And we have, speaking of this, I'm taking a squirrel here. Last I checked down Second Street here by the school, there's apartments. There's a dumpster sitting in the front yard there. Is that always sitting in the front yard? Kyle, do you want to take a look? Make a note of that. drive down the street and look at that.

I came down the street the other day. There's a dumpster sitting in the front yard. Which apartments? They blue. It's Yeah. So, you go right on the corner of Second and Fighter and then there's that blue twin home there. Then there's yellow apartments and it's the next apartments past that to the east is on Eastern. So, it would be on east corner eastern and second. So, usually I guess usually it's in the back. Yeah, it's north side of the property. Yeah,

I didn't remember seeing it before, but I saw it the other day. So, you might want to just take a gander at that. But that's my only [clears throat] comment on the double fencing in the the garbage areas is I know aesthetically you're not looking at dumpsters, right? But in the winter time, I've seen them become quite a mess. It would be hard to put a top on it as well, like put it in a enclosure and then have unless it's in a garage, but garbage truck can access roll them out from I've seen some I've seen a couple three in Sou Falls that are that way. Um, and yeah, I mean that's not as bad because then it's not it's not filling in with snow, but yes, I help move snow from those.

Yeah, I guess you have been involved in it. I have. I have. It's not fun. I wonder if it's any better just doing like three sides so you leave one side all the way. It doesn't make any difference. It still fills in. I guess where I'm going on it is is I I don't want to It's not in any of our regulations that they have to. No, it's not. And they have to I'd prefer that we not put as a condition on this. If the property if the guy putting up the building wants to fence it in and make it look better, all the power to them, but they can move this out.

But I but I was requirement to have those enclosed fenced off because that was a make pass situation that those need to be requirement of the conditional use. What's that? I think it was a requirement of the conditional use of the pass. about almost every multi-un we've had, we've done that in the past and I can double check and look, but so that the board made it a made it a part of the because staff recommended it. Staff [clears throat] recommended. Yes. [laughter] The problem is that nobody wants to open the big gates. They just throw their garbage over the fence and

it just piles up. Yes, that's the other problem is too. So maybe it's not not such a good practice. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I go ahead, please. It's your build. It's your building. Tell us what you

preference on these and so I don't mind whatever condition is to actually um fence them, but fence them with CMU block and put a rough on them. Um it one, it helps the snow, two it looks a little bit better long term and and you can spray them down and all that stuff. and the fences don't get locked in. I mean, it costs a little bit more, but it lasts forever. So, that's I mean, you don't have to put an addition on it, but that's my that's the best way longterm for maintenance and for aesthetics. Is that what you foresee your plan for this? Um,

yeah. Last one we built Sou Falls, they got really they got really upset because they wanted us to fire sprinkle that. Um which so then I had to build it out of different stuff. Yeah, because well that one was a little bit different cuz it was closer to the building. It was tucked between two buildings. So it wasn't the exact same situation. Um so you know I like to build cam black photograph on them. That's a little bit against the rules right now in Sou Falls, but that's what I prefer to do here. But I saw your head shaking when I when I talked about filling full of snow on the garbage guys.

Terrible. I have some stuff. I have some It's a lot worse in strip malls where you have restaurants and then you just have fences around them. That's a disaster. Um but with a roof on them, they go they work pretty well. And so if there was some issues with the fire, then we probably build some type of aluminum structure that had some slats on the top to avoid as much snow as possible. So I figured we can make everyone happy with that. Maybe make [laughter] including me. you're um and just again from experience and seeing your pet areas, have you guys been doing any turf areas?

Yeah. Um Yes. Because they tend to get brown and gross. Uhhuh. And so, you know, it's a little bit of a hit or miss depending on what what facility we're at, but we either turf it or we just try to like create a rock area with plants so that it doesn't look so bad cuz after about six, seven months they get really brown and it's obvious where our pets are going. Yeah. And typically those areas don't get sprinklers to help wash it out either. Right. Right. Good thing they're literally a walk away from a dog park. Yeah, exactly. Cool.

No. Anybody else have any questions or concerns? So, no. I Do we have anyone from the public that's here to address this tonight? Okay. I think there should be some kind of thing around the dumpsters personally whether they throw their trash in there or whatever. Um is contained in an area. I know it may suck for snow removal, but do you want to make it part?

I think I would I would like to see something if you're going to do whatever that's fine. Um, but just so they're not out there sitting in the open and then trash is falling out of them and blowing all over. At least it's [clears throat] contained. Well, we've got complaints with that too of just open dumpsters and businesses and stuff. Well, especially there with that northwest wind where it's going to be coming in at and there's nothing out there right now. I have no opposition to it. I mean, if you're going to do whatever, right? Anyway, um I guess if he's cool with it, I'm cool with it. Yeah. I mean, if you're cool with it, I think you should have something.

I don't even I don't even mind if you say it's going to have a roof on it because right, we could just call out Yeah. fenced enclosure and then that could be Yeah. or dumpster enclosure. It's just going to have some kind of just an enclosure. Then they could go with the block. Yeah. What happens without a fence sometimes is that the dumpster doesn't get put back to where it should be because there's no delineation where it should go and then people are like why is there a dumpster in our parking lot? Why is the same question? [laughter] I don't know. Right. Right. That is certainly fine.

I didn't see anything else. Um Anybody else got conditions? Let's just meet everything else. A motion. So, I will make a motion to recommend um the condition of use on the condition that they have some kind of enclosure around the uh dumpster area. I'll second that.

Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll go to vote. Graham, yes. Anderson, yes. Espinosa, yes. Jackson, yes. Miles, yes. Approved. Thank you. And thank you for your investment in our community. I've watched I've watched the guy you're sit next to there, though. Yeah, Espinosa has told me all about him. She knows too much. [laughter] We keep some secrets.

He's becoming a regular. Maybe you should just get on the board. Maybe there's going to be a spot open. Yeah, Jeff. There is going to be a spot coming up when you're here all the time anyway. [laughter] I don't know. I'm on another board already. Limit our interest.

All right, we'll move on to our 710 conditional use hearing for detached garage for 402 North Main. Teresa. Okay, this conditional use hearing is basically um what's submitted and like I said it's at 4402 North Main. That property is a residential property. Currently has a house on it with one detached garage on it. Uh the owners would like to put up a second detached building basically in the back along the alleyway for um additional garage area with having only the one detached garage. for a regulation that says you can have two um accessory structures, so detach garages as long as one of them's not over 150 square ft. So, kind of like a a little shed. Um with this um we have looked at the properties within the area. Um there are we looked at this block, a block to the north, a block to the south. There are a few properties that have basically the same setup have a garage either attached or detached with it and then they also have a secondary building, a larger building in the back off an alleyway for access for additional um parking. Um basically the plan they submitted um will meet all our regulations, all our setback regulations, lot area and width. um they'll have um ingress egress off the alley is how they plan to access the garage. So they would meet our regulations per se except for once again having the two buildings upon the property. So that is what they're asking the conditional use permit for.

Any questions for Teresa from the board? Any public comment here for this against this? Any questions from the board for the applicant? [clears throat] No.

I'll make a motion to approve as presented. I'll second it. I have a motion and a second to approve as presented. Any further discussion? Um, when we approve the condition, if we approve the building, do we want to make sure that the garage matches the other structures? Can we do that? I mean, that's part of our regulation. They'll have similar materials is what you're saying. That's part of our regulation because they'll still have to meet all the city regulations. Okay. This will just be allowing the second dec.

Okay. I have I have no concerns with this and especially considering like properties in the neighborhood that already have that. Yeah, I'm not worried about precedent of say if it was in the Craftsman edition and all of a sudden somebody wanted to bop a garage and the backyard there would be a whole different story story in my mind. There's an alley right there too, right? Yeah, it's going to be right off the alley. other

literally the property um right [clears throat] to the east of them has the exact same setup house single car detach and then a basically a twocar garage off the alley so I mean it's like I said it's already in the neighborhood it's not setting a yeah the real the reality of that that is the zoning or the planning of that neighborhood it's been it's been it's been set it's been set the precedent's been set in the neighborhood it's already been set so Any other discussion? Seeing none, we'll go vote. Miles, yes. Jackson, yes. Espinosa, yes. Graham, yes. Anderson,

yes. Randall, yes. Conditional use approved.

Now, let's have some fun. Oh, boy. I hate this word tiff. Tiffs are becoming like fools were a few years ago. I think cocktails should be served right now. 7:15. Let's discuss the project plan submitted by the Windsor Group for the creation of a tax increment financing district.

Okay. And as you all know, we've been working with the Windsor group. They originally submitted it first tiff to the city back in May. I believe it was April or May. Um we did approve the creation of that tiff. I went to city council. There was some discussion that as part of that they wanted to include the second street right away. So basically improvements to that street can be made through the tiff dollars versus the city having to do a project down the line, having to bid it out, having to come up with money right away. um talked with the developer about that. They were in agreement with it. So we started the process of expanding the tiff district or basically to include second street. Ran into as you know a couple of issues with the state. We had to in order to do that we had to plat off that rightway by itself. We had to then take ownership and that is into the city. So we have done all those steps now you know because they've gone through your board. So now we're back in um creating tip district number three because tip district number two is dissolved because it didn't meet the criteria. So basically it's the same tip it was that previously came before you in May but it includes second street improvements now. Um so basically the main things that have changed is that dollar amount has increased to include basically for second street two million. That's basically the biggest change there. And the only other thing is the years for the repayment are gone from 20 years to 25. Otherwise, it is the same exact scenario that was presented back in May. This just like back in May. This is for creation of the district boundaries to show what the tiff's going to be. It'll go to the city if approved here, it'll still go to the city council for final approval. Then they'll have to come back with and a draft copy of the TIP plans in there. or basically, you

know, present the tip plan once again and we're going to have to have a development agreement saying who's going to do what. So there's another second step in it as well, but this is creating the district. So there's our number one step. Just so this question really it deals with this but it doesn't when we annex in if there's roads involved the roads don't annex or come over to the city. Is that what you're saying without taking

if So the trouble with this one is that part of the second street um you know this was a township road so townships so that property that's still in the county their property went into the roadway there and so we had to plat that off separately and annex that in separately bec because that would have come in and we can't include the rest of their property and the tip because it's not part of the city. So, yep. Yep. And so, that was that why that whole process had to go that way cuz but usually if we and it's in a parcel and it's on both sides that portion of roadway does come with. That's what I was thinking.

Yep. Normally it does if we got on both sides, but since we have this county parcel, you got it kind of a little bit concluded. You got the house on the corner that stays in the county. Yep. Exactly. Of course, they wanted to stay in the county. Well, and then that leaves the road still being the township because Yes. just like we are in Western with the county,

right? We only got half and half in there. So, yeah. So, um it that had not been the situation if that would have been the time. Yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah. Well, I think the mayor was kind of the impetus of adding the street to this after he talked to the mayor of Krux who they've done a couple a couple of different projects over there where they've included city infrastructure into the tiff funding. Um, so I mean that's the creativity there. I have to applaud. Um, I'll applaud you for accepting the responsibility because as we know as we know from working with other tiffs that to start with, if there's not enough tax money there to make the payment that year, you as a developer are still making the payment every year. So

yes, that hasn't changed. They're still carrying the test. Not the same. I mean, yes, we're we're extending the time period out, but I'm going to assume that at least for the first couple three years, there's probably additional payment there that wouldn't be there if we didn't have the street. The tip money doesn't cover what's going on, right? And adding the street just makes that pile just become a little bit deeper. You know, it's not it's not lopsided by having that street. It should help me sell land, you know, or what it's mutually beneficial. Yep. No, I understand. I guess, but applaud you for listening to the mayor and taking taking the extra burden. Never thought of it until we threw it out there.

Like I said, it's kind of a win-win. It kind of benefits his development city side. Like I said, [clears throat] we can get this street in probably at a lower cost because we would have had to go through the whole process. How deep does that go then from from Colton Road to just the edge of the property? Just to the back part. Yep. because then once again

it's county on both side and it's a township board and we don't have that and I mean at some point you possibly will but as for now but this is a good way like I said it help the city to get that improvement right away tiff dollars pay for it so the city doesn't have to come up loan or assessment or whatnot you know and get that payment right on the front end that can get paid off over time so it's a yeah I think it's a win-win Is there anybody from the public? I I'm assuming [clears throat] that you you haven't stepped up yet. So, I'm assuming this is why you're here. So, step on up.

The only question I have is on all these tips is who qualifies, who does not qualify, how that's regulated. So we have

a whole document now that as someone is interested in a CHIF, they need to take that document. They have a bunch of criteria that all need to be addressed on that guidelines and criteria that they have to go through to even be considered for a Tiff. Then once the city once all those criteria and guidelines are met basically by administration says okay these these are all set and met then they are at the opportunity to come to this board and for us to look at setting up the tiff district. Once the TI tiff district is set up, then it gets sent out to the state and the state reviews everything in that tiff district application and they have to meet all of the state requirements and regulations before it can come back here for us to even talk about actually putting the tiff in place.

So who actually funds the tiff money then? Is that just the tiff? The tiff money is all paid by the increase in taxes, but developer finance. I see. Yeah. Like in this city or tax dollars

in this in this situation and the other tiff that we have in place here in town, both of those are developer held loans. So look at it. a way to look at this and it's it's the simplest way I've been able to explain to people is the developer needs to borrow $2 million in order to develop put in infrastructure all that kind of stuff. So they would go to the bank and borrow $2 million and they sign their name to it and they need to make the payment on that $2 million. Okay, they if they get a tiff, they're still going to the bank and they're borrowing $2 million and they're still responsible for the payment. the the increase in from baseline. So, if the taxes if the taxes on that bare ground were $1,000 before they started to develop it, that $1,000 still goes to the government agencies that were collecting the $1,000. But now, because they built and developed the ground, the taxes are $5,000. There's $4,000 there that then goes to that developer's bank to help make that payment. Oh, I see it. Yeah.

Now, if he's got if he's got $4,000 in additional taxes or increment of taxes, got $4,000 going to the bank, but he owes $50,000. $4,000 pays it down and the developer still pays $46,000 on the note for that payment. It's just a long way to financing versus paying for it up front. In effect, yes. the city defers receiving that the school district through some economic funding was still made whole through the state.

But isn't there qualifications that you can't just I mean I'm not speaking for myself because it doesn't matter. It doesn't affect me but more so I'm interested in future things that I'm looking at. So doesn't um for instance that tiff money and all of that don't you have to qualify as far as a business not a development or

so there's two requirements so there's two there's two different ways that you can go on a tiff. The economic development tiff requires to have a certain amount of commercial or business development going into that development and the regulations are a little bit easier in effect to get that tiff when you have economic development built into it. So if you've got commercial, if you got commercial property that's going to generate not only property tax, but sales tax, jobs, all those kind of things, because the whole idea of the tip is to help, especially in rural in rural South Dakota or smaller town South Dakota, to help bring developments in that typically wouldn't happen without that being there. You can do a a residential only. So, you're just going to put in residential with nothing but houses. Um, then that's that tip is more difficult to get approved by the state.

Yeah. Because there's there's some guy um financing guidelines with that that you know, you can always sell those at such and such a dollar or whatnot. And they got regulations on how much you So, is there like like apartment buildings and that sort of thing? Does that qualify in that category or not? it that could go into workforce housing. It's Yeah, the first stiff and this had workforce housing and commercial development both. Okay. So, you see both sides of that coming in the community, but the workforce housing still qualifies you in on the as long as you have the economic side. You're on the economic side. Yeah.

Um, Sou Falls did a chiff with Kelly Nielsen out on the east side of Sou Falls on Arrowhead Parkway. And I believe that one was I believe that district is 100% workforce housing. Um because part of part of the stipulations on that chip was he had so many years to have it built out and there's a cap on the price of lots in and a cap on the price of the actual houses going on there that he couldn't do anything over. It can't be over a certain amount that slides up as time goes on to go in effect for inflation. But that's I believe that's one instance of a residential only Jeff. Okay.

And that's all set by the state. The state puts out a good um kind of fly on it that I could email to you Bob. Kind of explains a little bit about tips or what this I have no idea. So find out. Yeah. It kind of breaks it down into a twopage kind of far, but I give you a little more information. I'll email that to you. Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. Oh, and just an FYI to make things easier on us, start working in your chip before you ever think about moving dirt or starting to develop. [laughter] Wow. Someone's a little little just a small

stinker, isn't he? A compliment and then he zings you. That was that was not directed directly at juicer. Any [laughter] other discussion?

Certainly. City council's had some input. I mean all all along this way. Yes. This isn't new to them and it won't be No. Just like you know it comes through this. We've been voting on things all through the council has as well. So, yes, they they totally understand what's going on. Like I said, it all kind of came about at meeting with the mayor and Jeff and yeah, saw the benefit of both parties on this. I mean, we're approving the district. I don't see any concerns. Nope, I don't either. It's developer risk, but it supports economic development community.

Yep. And I like the multif family housing that's going to go in there. At least the plans for that so far. I like that better than one big building. Yeah. See, careful. See? So, here's So, you got the you got the zinger, Jeff. Here goes the good one. Now, you've got plans to go vertical before we even have your chip put together. So, thumbs up. And this doesn't go to if we approve it, it's approved and it goes to the state for approval. Does it happen? So, it goes to the city council for their for final approval. You're going to do a recommendation. Got it. And then we send it into the state. Okay. All their criteria and then we come back with the plan.

So, we're probably about a month out before final final. I can't believe you said it started in May. It was in I'm pretty sure. I think I looked at the original one and I think it was it was more like July that it had June and the date on it, but I I know I looked at our email started kind of in May with it. So, it flies when we only meet twice a month, too. So, yes, I'm going to recommend that we approve this TIFF. Okay, I'll second that. We have a motion and a second to recommend approval of the creation of tax increment finance district number three. Any further discussion? Jackson, yes. Miles, yes.

Espinosa, yes. Graham, yes. Anderson, yes. Randall, yes. Recommendations sent to the city council. Okay. Hey, basketball game. Kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. We have no old business. New business. Reschedule the November 11th meeting due to the Veterans Day holiday. Can't we just have our meeting on Veterans Day? You can. Do you not require more paid time [laughter] and a half to be here? But I can come. And I don't think we're getting paid a meeting and a half to be here. So my dad's

bring him. It's easy. My my thought was we leave we leave can we leave the date there and if we have agenda items comes up something comes up we can move we can so we basically say we're going to leave it there unless we have agenda items then we'll move it to Monday the 10th I will be on the 10th and the 11th that yeah that really doesn't matter to us I assume it will [laughter] be gone on the 11th you guys in your calendars on your phone. I mean, we're going we're going into fall winter time. So, the amount of things there's not a lot of meetings left.

We maybe uh we possibly have a conditional use for this next meeting whether it be moved to a Monday or Tuesday. So, I do think we will have an agenda item. Okay. Well, if you think we're going to have one, then let's just go ahead and move the date then. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they've turned in their I'm good with the 10th. Yeah. Any basketball games that night? Oh, probably. But she's mad already that she's having to wait for me to get home to watch it. I see. You can We can record. I'd say the 10th. I have a hard calendar, so I can't look at my work. Works for me. Okay. Have a motion.

Move the medium to the 10. Yeah. We don't need it. I'll make you to move to the She thinks she she already I'm pretty sure we will because we had an application in As usual, if we have no agenda items, Teresa gets hold of me and we make the decision. And if for some reason that doesn't happen, I'll get on Tony and we'll send out an email. Okay. That garage we just approved, that was Oh, yeah. We don't have to approve this or anything. We have to have a motion to approve. I'm sorry. She said it was just a discussion. You won't be able to make it. At least that's what it is on the Well, I'd like I'd like us to have a motion. I'll make a motion to move to the 10th. Second of November.

Have a motion and second to reschedule our next meeting for November 10th at our normal time. Any other discussion? We'll vote. Graham, yes. Anderson, yes. Espinosa, sure. Miles, yes. Jackson, yes. See y'all on the 10th. Teresa, anything that you have to add to your report?

I don't think I have anything related. I just gave you an update on the project. Um, I believe we have someone hired for the open public works position. We don't have any official yet, but hopefully so. We'll have more information the next meeting. you can go there. Um yeah, I don't have really Yeah, unless you have any questions by the projects or whatnot. We Western Avenue it's all open now. We are substantially complete. I mean obviously there's some punch list items to do some seating and stuff. We need some wrap at the north end. We've kind of done a walk through on some of that stuff.

It's openable and park fee for what? Our portion of it anyway. It's nice to finally have because it's going to take just a little bit. It's still a little narrow in spots, but it's still really nice to drive. Yeah, it's a nice road. So, it's nice to see how much more bridge are they doing? A whole another big lane or is it only just a little It'll be wider. It'll 12t 12 more feet. 12 ft. Yeah, cuz it's going to I mean the driving lanes will be wider and there be eventually the sidewalk and the bike path outside. So, yeah, it'll it'll be on the bridge. There'll be a sidewalk and a bike path. I forgot about those all the way down to Jeffree. So yeah, what's there isn't gonna I knew they were doing more to the to the uh east, but I wasn't sure how much more they were doing.

Yep. So nice driving to be nice and wide. So yeah. When is that supposed to be done? June. It's going to be that long to finish that piece. Yeah. I don't know that I don't know if it'll take quite that long, but it'll be into next spring next year. South depends if it stays nice till January. They keep working on bridge. Bridge crew is not letting I mean they they got to where they hope to and with the nice weather they're already digging footing for that. Okay. I think they're going a little further than they thought. I talked to a couple of them. They said no sense being laid off. Let's just keep right on working. Exactly. You can get it because less to do it next spring. When they quit here, a whole bunch of people are done working for

Well, I mean, they're from Nebraska. I wonder how far south they go or if they just don't migrate south migrate. Migrate ducks. Um, I have I have a request for you as far as your report. Is it possible that you could edit down your report? You don't like all that back history? So that I don't have seven pages that I print out. I thought you'd like that history to you have a question of where we started. If if I need to go to the history, I can just go back six months and print that report out. Then I I can whittle that down. Alexa, but I will it down.

Not very often. Somebody asked you for less. I KNOW. I'M OKAY with that. Especially [laughter] he's usually asking for more. But yeah, I just assume that you could whittle that down to I can do that. I could do like the last definitely do last month. like the last 6 months. I can do that. You're good. You're the one. Anything else for Teresa? I make a motion to adjourn. Oh my gosh, the words weren't coming. I'll second. A motion and a second to journ. All in favor? I opposed. Any adjourn. The words I saw the blank stare in your face. I was like, she's done. [laughter] shell. I can't. You're out of

that trace cell, as my friend would say, that Trey cell is going around. All righty.