Planning & Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

And Miles and Willie are absent with notice.

Look for motion to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting.

We'll make a motion to approve tonight's agenda. I'll second it.

Motion and second to approve tonight's agenda. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Look to approve the minutes of the July 28, 2026 meeting.

I will make a motion to approve the minutes of July 2028.

I'll second that.

Motion to second to approve the minutes of July 28th, 2026. All in favor? Aye. Opposed?

That was a long time ago.

Public comments. You guys all got your names on your shirts over there. You're not here to be public comments today. And we got a little time to work with here. So Mr. Clark, why don't you bring us up to speed?

all right from residential 25 open single family home permits and one twin home and commercial uh quick store uh connor went up there last week and we'll call that out the contractor shops up on western at the corner there that they're in the framing process there's a new permit that's hanging out there or hasn't been issued yet from a mechanical shop east of central states. Do you want to make a comment about that? We're doing some civil engineering work.

Yeah, so the Owner of the property that's just east of Central States wants to put out basically contractor shops. He has submitted plans and you guys have reviewed the building commands. ISG is reviewing the site plan and the civil plans. Basically the biggest thing we're waiting on or working on with them is a drainage plan because they have not got a very comprehensive drainage plan. So we're asking for more data and calculations with that. It's kind of in their hands at this point to give us that additional data before anything will be approved.

Black Tide's got a remodel and a car dinner. They've done a frame inspection there. And then Steve Block Miller up on Route Trail is adding a mezzanine and they're going to have a new tenant in that building. So they're getting ready for that. But we've just done a frame inspection out of bottle. I think that's the gist of it.

Okay, Kyle. Code enforcement update. Dealing with a little bit of everything. Trees, branches over the streets, pet licenses, outpool vehicles, tall grass and weeds, parking on grass, rubbish and junk. An update on 100 South Muntz. We, Paul and I, have handed that off to the city attorney for further action on that one. That's the one that's just south of the Old Catholic Church. And then 303 North Main update, one down the street here. Karen and I did some digging. The county's going to take that one back for back taxes here probably next year. So we'll talk to the attorney. I'm sure he said we're probably just going to hold off on that one. No sense in doing any work, and then the county takes it for taxes.

and currently it shows there's like six owners of the property some of them are deceased it would take a lot of like kind of setting a lot of work on the attorney's behalf to try to move forward with condemning it or getting any of the owners to you know bring it up to code so to talk to the attorney we'll put it in the county's hand once they take it over then it goes to public auction and then hopefully the new order that we can pursue with one or the other, however they work, and proceed with it.

Where is that located again?

Right on Main Street, so a couple blocks up, the old Sunderman place. Yep, yep, on the west side. Getting through all the different owners and getting through the disease and things like that will probably take longer than a year on our part, so we'll be faster if the county goes through it.

Any questions?

7.05, let's go ahead and do our conditional use application hearing, 438 North Development. Teresa, give us a staff report, please.

The city has received a conditional use application. It's from the Abbott House. They would like to erect, basically, two group homes, according to our definition of a group home, within the 38 North development. And this is the property owned by Jantz Corporation that's right east of Maple Pass. I put a location map in your packet for you. So like I said, they've right eased that development where Quickstar and the Maple Pass apartments are. Like I said, the application is to put in two group homes. They want to utilize two of the lots they plan to develop there. I say group homes, but basically they're more like foster homes. Their plan is to, like I said, there's going to be a residential development, so these will be residential housing. The plan is, to my understanding, two guardians within the home and up to just a maximum of six kids there. not like 10, 20, 30 kids. So it's more of a foster care environment, more like a foster home for the kids. With the guardians there, they'll have constant supervision. They will attend school like every other kid and they'll be supervised and hopefully, you know, learn the skills to eventually go out and find their own. Once they do turn 18, you'll notice on the plan that I put it in my report, they also, part of this home is going to be some separate living quarters, kind of like many apartments for those kids that are 18. Once they turn 18, they're just not going to kick them out and say goodbye. They kind of still continue to help guide them, give them those training and those life skills needed into adulthood. So that is the purpose of transitioning in from, you know, group home and then to kind of more independent living. So like I said, they plan to utilize two lots. The map is in your packet of where they are anticipating those lots to be. Obviously, this development is still under construction, so before anything can move forward with this, they need to get the infrastructure in, it needs to be planted, it needs to be zoned, all those stuff needs to be in place before they can actually get a building permit and move forward with their plans. They would like to, I understand, get that far next year, so hopefully they do. Get all their infrastructure in. But like I said, for the conditional use is, you can't have a group home without a conditional use. Obviously the separate living room is without a conditional use, so this is all encompassing to allow the plans as presented there. They still have to meet all our building requirements, you know, for single family homes and multi-family homes. They have to still meet all our regulations, all our setbacks. All that stuff is just what any normal property would have to do in a residential section. Like I said, this would just allow the group home to be there with the attached apartments.

I'm going to preface some questions I have with the statement, and that is I think the concept is awesome. And I think it's a great idea. So I have nothing right now against the plan as it's laid out here. My question is, what is the current zoning on this property?

So it's not zone, like I said, they would have to get it zoned. Conditional use is good for, could be up to two years. But they'd have to get the proper zoning for it.

What is the zoning right now?

The zoning right now is still county, because they haven't.

But it's annexed into the city, so it's county ag.

Right.

So is this use allowed in county ag with a conditional use?

County zoning is not going to have any bearing on it because it's annexed into the city. They will have to zone it something, some zoning with the city.

Number one is we don't have a zoning that we have conditional use that fits into this, first.

Second. That should be one of your conditions that it needs to be zoned.

And second is we don't have any lots plotted. So we can't assign this conditional use to a specific lot or plotted out piece of property in that entire development. So if we give them a conditional use to do this, I mean, yeah, we got a plan here. I know there's a plan here. It's a preliminary plan. I've been on this board long enough to know that preliminary plans all of a sudden lots change. Windsor's lots have changed three times since we saw a preliminary plan. My question here is can we as a board can we legally issue a conditional use permit on zone, ground that's zoned right now that doesn't even have the possibility of having the conditional use permit on the entire development instead of a defined lot? Because right now this conditional use application is the entire quarter.

I think that's part of your condition, that it needs to be as presented, it needs to be zoned and plotted as presented.

Okay. So I'm going to ask the applicants, why are you guys here this early in the process wanting to get a conditional use permit before anything's in place.

Yeah, I got to address that. Part of the reason is just the process of working with the Habit House. There's a lot of things that need to get done in their process to get it done. So we're trying to just get everything moving and streamlined together. We're still looking to put utilities in yet this year for the lifting.

So the zoning and the planning of Alaska. by the end of this year for part of next, we'd like to start construction in the spring.

So that would be the goal is to get this all squared away because if this doesn't get passed for official use, we have to find another location for the . So trying to just keep things moving forward while we .

I understand your concerns, and I think that should be part of the conditional use.

I have a huge concern because if we do this, we set a precedent to every other developer that wants to come in with whatever it is and say, I want a conditional use because we want to do this here. And we look at the plan and go, yeah, that looks like that would be good in that area. That's all fine. They've got a quarter section, and the next thing we know, they turn around and it moves over here.

And like I said, that's the whole point of the improvement as it's presented. And if they want to change from it, they'll need to come back before the board here. Or another conditional use program. They'll need to come back before you, yeah. Like I said, they've submitted the plan, and you're looking at a plan presented.

Yeah, it makes sense what you guys are saying. I'm sure I have a house you guys are looking at grants and different things out there, and you've got to be able to tell somebody, we have a place to do this, this is where it's going to be, this is what we want to do, and there's a long lead time in that. So I understand that side of it. Other comments from the board? zoned as residential right now?

The main reason is because of the tax base. They're not buildable yet, and so once you switch the zoned planning to the tax base, they're built. So we want to get it ready for a buildable setting before we get to that point. Same reason Windsor moved.

Anyone want to change his mind? Yep, county.

what's the plan as far as flatting and rezoning yeah so uh phase one of the 38 north is about 42 lots and so the plan is depending on whether uh what we will allow uh we could get the first lift of asphalt didn't get this year with the roads uh we could flatten that we've got already five lots that are kind of scoping for people that have wanted to buy and so we're looking forward to seeing a pre-zoned, pre-planned, you know, lots planted on this base one. Which group of house houses would need to be in the base one. and when did you say that would happen the whole business by the end of the year um it's all based on butter depending on how late we can get the asphalt if we can't get it in by the end of the year this year

It was definitely a need for it.

And this is not the first time that that house has done this. This concept already exists in other locations.

So let's start at a Mitchell right here. We've got four of these houses up, running a Mitchell, and then we move to Rapid City, and we've got six going to Rapid, and then two years away, the first two are in Sioux Falls. So we're looking at two more in the Sioux Falls area.

Do you want some money? Can we help you, Deputy?

I'm just stopping by. Making sure you guys aren't expecting any problems. She knows you all too well, Johnny.

The only thing we're a little worried about is when you walked in. I was in trouble. I don't know if it makes a difference or not, too.

I know these guys have shared some of those facts to your point about the need. I don't know if you want to share some of those.

Feel free to. I've made some real questions here.

Maybe just explain the whole concept. What is it? This is the first time I've heard of it. The agency's been around for maybe six years, started in Mitchell. And for about 55 years, we've had a treatment center there for girls. So we get girls from all over South Dakota. And back in 2009 and 10, kids were coming and staying in our building there, which is sometimes for six years. But there's just not enough foster care in South Dakota. And so we had a young lady that basically wrote a request letter to get a family. And we took that to our board. And that year, in 2009, the family raised about $1 million to Mitchell. built two houses and the kids started transitioning out of the outhouse into these homes with families and going to public school and and all that and it went really well and so the state has been coming back five every year and a half and saying we need more today there's about 1700 kids in south dakota that need foster care i mean only about 600 houses and homes for kids so The need is tremendous. We could probably put up 15 or 20 of the houses that we have to work with in state budget. So again, every time they have the funding, then they come back and ask us to do more houses. We've seen kids graduate our houses and our apartments, graduate Mitchell Tech and Mitchell there and come back to work at our facility. We've got one girl that's a lawyer now. It's a great program. It's just why the state continues to want more and more of it.

Why that's so important and how that works?

Well, initially, there just wasn't a place for kids to go. So we got foster homes going. And we're not the only one that uses them. Across the Children's Home Society, all the places in the state will place kids in our foster homes that need to move out of their treatment center. But then we developed the independent living apartments so that when they turn 18, they can still move into an apartment. We have a staff member that continues to work with them. They're required to either be working or going to school. We charge them rent for their apartments. And then when they leave us, they get all their money back. So our whole goal is to take kids that don't have families and figure out how to transition them into the workforce or get them through college. And again, it's been a great program. Our track record is really solid. We've not had issues in any of the communities that we're in. Kids seem to do quite well. Today, we've had a donor that stepped up now. and has a scholarship program for kids, so they're helping them pay to go to college. They'll go to college once they get off our apartments. So it just continues to grow and build.

Can you share a little bit about how we engage success?

You don't understand the screen, the education, the graduations. Oh, yeah. Kids that have gone to our foster homes are in our track record. 99% of them graduate high school. We base the program off the fact that kids that don't get a high school diploma or a GED are 40% more likely to spend time in prison. So we do everything we can to get them a high school diploma. And then past that, then we try to get them to college or jobs. Who are these guardians then? Are they paying staff or volunteer? So we have quite a few staff. So our homes all have a married couple that live in them, so we try to hire. All of our homes, we also then hire a secondary staff so our couples get days off. So every other weekend they get some free time. So another staff that comes in would work for them during that period of time. And then when they go to the apartments, we have an additional staff member that just works with the kids in the apartments. So they'll be the one working with them. We do an assessment to see what they know financially in education and all that, and build a plan for them to try to get . We also then have for every two homes, the two homes we put up will have a supervisor, so a social work supervisor will have an office at the house, so in addition to the family. So it's about nine full-time jobs total that get added for every two houses that we put up. We have not historically had hardly any turnover with families, foster families, which if you look at the traditional foster care system, there's a lot of turnover, and it's because of all the support the families get.

So I don't know if it's been addressed, but the need to be talking about how the need in the state is. Since we started developing this foster care system, independent living, we've seen the number of kids in the foster care systems increase by 36% in the state. At the same time, the number of licensed facilities has decreased by 10%. It really is, the need is really great. And if you drove by, like in Sioux Falls, you can drive right by our houses that we currently have there. You can't tell the difference. It's just another house and a resident. In fact, when we do tours, I get a lot of times people will call me and say, Mike, that evidence you gave me is just the house. I'm like, yep, that's right, just come on in. And so we give tours and meet the families. And like Eric says, our parents are on staff. And stuff like that. So I feel like, personally, it's a great combination of both worlds. Obviously, they're a part of a family unit, which is very critical to their success. But we also have trained people behind it that are there to help the parents in any challenges that they may face.

And kind of unrelated, my kids grew up in Mount Vernon. That's where I bring my family in. And so we play, you guys, sports fairly often. But it'll be neat. Most places we have these houses, Mitchell, Rapid City, Sioux Falls, our kids don't get to be on varsity most of the time. But we'll get to see them participate in sports. And so I was excited about the opportunity to be in Hartford because of that.

Well, I know, not that it's related to the house, Like with the turnover in the parents, I'm kind of interested in what is the typical supervisor family that's there?

And we really have, again, we have some retired couples that have come in to work for us, and we have quite a few young couples that have taken the job, too. in sioux falls the couple we actually hired there from this area but they were teaching in in over by russia in a school and we've gotten hired to come back actually right before the russian world was breaking out they decided to get back home but we have it really is the full gamut we have three or four couples that can't have kids and so that's one of the reasons why they want to do the foster parenting the thing we've found is we pay a decent wage and all that but The families that we have that do well or families that are doing it as more of a mission, then that's a job. And it's a great job. There's no bills. We give them a salary. And the agency owns the vehicles and the house and the property. We take care of all of it. They just take care of kids. So it's a really nice setup for a family. It's a great job once you get one.

Six kids is a job.

I think it speaks volumes to me. You guys' plan looks great, and I think it's needed, it's everything else, but when you've got the developer sitting here with you with a quarter section of ground that they're wanting to develop out and make money on, and they're willing to be here with you tonight and say, we'll take two of these houses parked in the middle of phase one, That means a lot, and I think there's probably more involvement that they've had with you guys in the past, and that's awesome also, but it's just to me, it speaks volumes of this is a good thing when they're willing to sit here with you guys and say, we'll take them in our development. We don't have a lot plotted yet, but we've got two we're going to put these houses on.

Well, to say that phrase is just a little bit. We go to bid on everything we do. We raised $200 to build these houses, and Otherwise, they might not have gotten the bid. So, anyway, yeah.

The reason that there's two of them, just so you're aware, too, one is for boys and one is for girls.

I wonder about that. Okay. No co-ed? No. Do they get more pay for six boys? Oh, you probably should for six girls. Never mind. I was going to say. Yeah.

The bathrooms are different.

If the board is thinking that we want to move forward, what we need to work on here more than anything is what are our conditions on the conditional use going to be? Is there a timeframe that we want to lock it to this plan and these lots and if anything changes on that? It has to be redo. I mean, I don't know. And I guess.

Real quick on the lots. The reason that we select those lots, we want corner lots just because of the size of the houses. These are good-sized homes. So we want a corner lot just for more access and more size of the lot. And then one is close to the park, just to have it accessible to the park. And then, again, we didn't want them, Abbott House didn't want them next door to each other because of what he knows. So that's why they're a lot closer.

If there's any type of locking to these lots and having to reapply if it would change, is that going to goof anything up on any grant applications or anything that you guys are doing? I don't think so. Okay. And the reason I'm asking that is talking about the precedent of if we do this now, if it comes up in the future, we have those things laid down in there. So we're not giving somebody a carte blanche

reporter section somewhere else just for the record and the community can be watching could you please identify yourselves and who you're with sir uh brian james chance corporation brad james from chance corporation and eric clues with david house where else would you have it alice well thank you thank you gentlemen now we are working with isp has done the majority of the design on the homes and yeah to the point that i think we brought up um and meetings and laying out a floor plan that's going to work best for the Abbott house, trying to be cost-conscious, but it would be a beautiful addition to the neighborhood.

And since, like they said, they've got corner lots, they've got to buy the perfect. I don't see them moving it haphazardly here.

Can I not tell those guys right in this great big boulder right in the middle of where the street wants to go that they can't get through and get either utilities in?

Yeah.

Down across the creek, I know of one guy who now has three lots for his one house because that's the only place they could find a hole to get through. You don't know what's laying ahead.

I don't have any concerns with this. I think it's a big thing we can just lay down.

Just get the right verbiage on.

Yeah, the conditions on that. And I think that as long as the planning follows the proposed, I think your current plan listed on mine is slightly different than this. This is the most up-to-date.

What's that? This is the most current plan.

The first condition would be that the land is laid out according to the class that's presented. According to what was not.

Your conditional use would be given to lot 34 and lot 31 if I'm reading this, is that right? Correct. So the conditional use would be on those two lots. A time frame that needs to be zoned and plotted by January 1st to 28th. I'll give you time. Open the window up there, but pick out a time that doesn't get anybody in trouble.

I'm guessing by June this thing is re-planned. I don't know if we have to push it on to 28th. That's my only reason for pushing it out like that is just to give them the window to work with. And I've seen the dirt work going on out there.

They're going to want to start selling lots pretty soon. I don't need one. No, thanks. Thanks for the offer.

So when you say, according to plan, how stringent are you going to be with that? There's a lot of information here. There's only one stringent.

just those right here that one so the rest of those packets you can just take and put to the side yeah because that's just house plans and everything else they just make sure they got to fit on the lot and they're still going to have to meet whatever they put the setbacks and you know requirements and all that stuff so yeah so i mean that's something to change but they just want to be a regulation building regulation if you wanted to go any deeper into

I mean, we could say their proposal is how many, how many in the house? So it could be 10 fosters. I mean, if we wanted to, if we have any other thing to do on this and say, this is how many people you can have there. And that's not uncommon in other communities where there's foster homes not so much a home but foster home there's a limit the number there's communities around that limit the number of foster kids can be in a foster home well sure but that's based on a regular house and correct you don't want to be stacking them so in a regular neighborhood right i'm not going to stock 17 in here to collect the money that's the safety purposes i could ask a lot of questions on how you guys got through cool but maybe we had to go through this

for uh co-paying and so but anyway it has nothing to do with these lots of layouts teresa are there any any other things from administration that you'd like to see in a conditional use

I think you've got the big thing that I was thinking of, you know, the land needs to be plotted as presented. Zone, I'm going to put zoning and residential just to add that. I'm not going to be able to zone, which I know we don't plan to do anyway, but just for clarity, zoning and residential. And then, yeah, if you want to put the timeframe of January, 2028. Those all seem reasonable.

Anything anybody else would like to see added? Then I would entertain a motion over the other item in the proposal with conditions as read by Teresa.

I'll make a motion to approve the conditional news. Second. To include those items discussed, the rezoning and reflating as discussed.

Second.

We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing no vote, Anderson? Yes. Brown? Yes. Coodle? Yes. Espinosa? Yes. Randall, yes. Mr. News passes.

I think you and Pam, because that could be like your retirement.

They pay me to do that.

Right. Exactly.

They pay you to be a grandpa.

Pam would be awesome.

I'm going to be a great grandpa again.

Yes.

Number two. Thank you.

Thank you. You bet. Thank you, guys. Thank you for looking at our community for this.

And we can use some really big boys for football. We don't have any, need some big, some big boys. Yeah, we need some tryouts. That was not a condition. Shoot, shoot.

Mark, you should have held up. Dang it.

Is this the smallest town that you're going to be in then, the Abbott House? It is, yeah. Because I was just looking at Rapid City, Mitchell. I was just wondering what the success rate has been like, if it's been better in the smaller communities, and I guess we'll find that out.

I can't believe that it won't be better than a smaller school. Smaller class sizes, all that. Smaller class.

I gave a thank you to Abbott's, but thank you Janz's for your commitment to our community too. We haven't let Teresa talk yet. Teresa loves to talk.

Well, my report's in your packet. I'll give you an update on, you know, where we are with our current projects. Just to let you know, our one-way test of Kelly Avenue has been completed. We had it up for about a month. We've taken it down now. We plan to have a meeting on the 15th at 530 with those adjacent property owners. So, I guess we'll see. We'll hear what they have to say about it. The pros, cons, like it, don't like it, and... I guess that will determine where we'll go from there, if any project happens or not. So that's probably the biggest thing on there. Just, you know, the city council has, well, they will set a second reading of the budget ordinance for 2027, so that 2027 budget is set. I did put in your pack, just for your reference, a copy of the updated capital improvement plan for the city. Just, you know, you can look at it when you'd like to. you know, our five-year plan for projects there. Obviously, every year we take a look at this, continuously actually taking a look at this, and projects may either move forward because of situation or development happens or whatnot, or projects may get pushed off because something didn't happen or funding didn't happen. So it's always a moving, you know, target, but this is what we have identified, I think, projects to look at and keep on our radar. So it's kind of just a good reference for us to keep it on our radar. Everything in the 2027 CIP is in the 2027 budget. Whether we do them all or not, that's still going to be up to council's discretion. But just wanted to give you that update information so you kind of know what's going on. I guess the only thing, I still have not heard any real updates from Sam Asom in his development. I can indicate, he had indicated to me that he wants to talk with the council again about a second access. He is at his maximum building permits, so he's done as far as being able to issue building permits until he gets a second access. But I haven't heard from him here lately, so I don't know when and if he's going to reach that subject again with that, so we'll kind of keep you posted on that. And then I'm hoping that our next meeting, our second meeting for this month will be, which will be, there's five Tuesdays here, so it'll be the last Tuesday of this month, the 29th will be our second meeting, to go over and review the updated building codes. Sioux Falls is in the midst of adopting them, and like I said, we're gonna try to do them all at the same time. Do you have confirmation that the county has that? Not yet, but we'll kind of take our leave from Sioux Falls and start our process. So you guys will review it, Obviously it's an ordinance, so I'll go to council then too, but we'll start that process.

I have a question for the three of you, because I don't know who to ask it. How come in none of your reports is there anything about the non-conditional use of property that went on? The asphalt plant that didn't have a conditional use permit.

When we became aware of it, I called the city attorney. We sent notice out to them to get it done. That was Monday. Sent notice out on them on Tuesday. The plant was down on Friday.

No, my question was, how come it isn't in anybody's report?

I guess I look at it as a done deal. Okay.

Any other questions?

So when we were looking at our CIP, did we have success with the grants or where is that, like we were applying for grant funding for the- So the Magoonland has transferred to Gateway-Harford entity?

They did apply for a Brownsville grant earlier this year. That was denied. It reopens in October. So I think, as far as I know, they're going to try to reapply for that. I think they're looking at some other grants as well. I mean, it's a separate day. I don't sit on their board, but I just, from what I've gotten from the mayor, they're going to look at a couple of other grants like governor's grants and stuff. So they are still looking for additional funding for that.

The first major malfunction they ran into, Mark, is there was short time in trying to get that application in. And there was testing that needed to be done to include in the grant application. And it was impossible to do when it's below freezing in January to do the bores and the testings that needed to be done. So they weren't able to get all of the data put together to get in there to have the grant complete. I think some of it required them to get out in the middle and do boring and testing. And there wasn't enough ice to hold up a machine and they don't have the boring machine on a boat.

No, I thought, I mean, that was the idea of the gate was... And to support that, I see it on here.

And we very much want that still. Yeah. It's across the project, as you can see.

Between that and the cold and odor improvements, there is a ton of money to support 70 acres. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Don't agree. Speaking of coat and road improvements, I was going to ask you this. So my hill at my house was steep when they got done. It's getting steeper from the bike path to the bottom of my garden. Almost harder for me to mow. When I mow it, it's getting eroded, so it's getting bumpy and steep. It throws me off my mower enough that my mower stops because I go off the seat. Can I let that part of my hill go to, what kind of natural grass can it go to so you don't have to mow it? You know my hill. What is your thought? It's gonna just keep eroding.

I'm gonna reserve any judgment and statement on that.

I don't know what to do about it. I won't let my daughter mow because it's unsafe. I have to, I literally have to mow it this direction and down because you can't mow side to side, it's too steep. And maybe one suggestion, and I don't know if they'll do anything about it, but that was their county project.

Yeah, that's true. Will the county come and do any additional grading or help? That's true. I guess I didn't think about that as the county.

I don't know if they'll do anything.

How much do you like your pine trees?

Well, they're on my property.

Well, I know, but the only way they're going to get that grade to be decent.

Well, the grade doesn't get steeped until after my pine trees.

But they're still going to have to grade out and they're going to have to come onto your property and I guarantee they'll get into your pine trees.

Because that's not the part I'm concerned about, though.

Talk to the county.

I didn't even think about that, but of course that's county.

Yeah, it was all part of their project, so I would start there.

Then it's still there, right?

If I start letting the grass grow, I just don't want somebody over there, you know, calling and throwing call strikes at me and sending me emails and letters.

I was just worried about the city limits, right? Yeah, but she's in the city limits.

I am in the city limits. That's my problem is I'm in the city limits, but yet that's the county that did that to me that made my council steep. But I might be putting an addition on the back of my shop if I can afford it. And so we'll see what that entails.

Any other questions, comments, concerns?

I make a motion to adjourn. I'll second it.

The motion to second adjourn.

Sorry, I had to find words.

All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Meeting adjourned.

You said the drop-off was open tonight and tomorrow night? Okay. I'll let Xander know.

Super long day today.