Planning & Zoning Board - Regular Meeting

Great, great. And none of my other trees, of course.

With Emerald Ash, it goes right down.

Right, and this wasn't Emerald Ash. This was something that could have come from a county. Going live? All right. All right.

We're 7 o'clock. You want to call the meeting to order? We'll start with a roll call.

Hey, Randall.

Here.

Miles.

Here.

Anderson.

Here.

Graham. Here. Coodle.

Here.

Espinoza. Here. And Wheelie is .

All right, look for a motion to approve tonight's agenda. I'll make a motion to approve tonight's agenda. Second. The motion is second to approve tonight's agenda. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Look for approval of the minutes from the June 16, 2026 meeting. I'll make a motion.

I will second.

Motion to second approve the minutes of the June 16th, 2026 meeting. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Public comments? I know none of you are here to comment on a non-agenda item. We have a little bit of time to work here. Mr. Clark.

All right, residential, we have 13 open self-driving home permits and one twin home. Commercial, a quick trip. We've done two framing inspections, one of the shell and one of the interior framing. We have a new permit that was issued for the industrial part. It's called the buy room shops. So they're going to have a building and then an office and then they're going to have like four shops to it.

that's in north oaks yeah yeah 12. that's right at the corner of western and south street yep yep across from the way just right down from the water tower yeah right across from ats across the street no it's going to be on western and 12th so if you would like turn to go to the water tower yeah it's going to be right on that south corner

That's where the detention pond is. On the south side?

No, it would be on the north. So this is north.

North of the detention pond.

Yes, that would be north of the detention pond. The detention pond is more to the south.

Correct. The detention pond is on the corner of western and 12th.

True. I just say this should be Western and Oaks because it's Oaks that comes up. So yeah, I would say it's Western and Oaks. So yeah.

Trying to nail it down. Yeah, exactly. The lot on the corner by the detention pond.

Right, right. Yep.

And then Black Tie Corporation did a permit for an interior remodel. So we have to call you on that one. And that's about it. a while back we had asked you to look into this house over here on corner first and month yes and their deadlines tomorrow so i'll get back with you on the next meeting okay catch an update on that yeah yeah yeah so we sent a letter and this time it was pretty straightforward and firm that is something that he hasn't come in on. So it's a lot of persons at 5 o'clock to either get a permit to rehabilitate the current house or take it down. They don't have a year. So we'll see what his goal is, whether he's going to try to rehabilitate what he has. But I don't think that's what he said he wanted to do. So he can get a raising permit and take it down. you want to add more to it no no i haven't been contacted at all so so we'll um have an update next time we'll be able to change a lot of 14. do we have have we had any updates inspections looks at us or whatever on our house caddy corner across here i haven't seen anything from from kyle with myself so

I haven't seen from either one an inspection report.

He's been more closely tied with that gentleman. I haven't seen really any work being done either.

Correct. I was going to say, he sits here all day and I don't see him there. This is being done on the weekend, but I go by there. I don't see anybody around.

I'm just curious if there's any... progress we made there this board was awfully generous and nice in taking the condemnation off of that house and working with him to not have to take it down and i feel like it's stalled badly now yeah i'll give him a call you know we have another pretty straightforward though

go down this rabbit hole. Right.

But I think he got done what he had to do.

Yeah. He has pulled the second permit.

Yeah.

He did?

Yeah.

So there isn't really a requirement to move over, is there?

Not officially. He's got a year. Yeah. And then he pulled another permit? Yeah.

If you want to keep paying for it. It'll get started every time you hold one.

Okay. Anything else for Mr. Clark? Anything else you have, Mr. Clark?

No, sir. Thank you.

We're past 7.05. We'll move into our 7.05 conditional use hearing, an erection of a house on track three of the Lefkoe addition. Teresa, do you want to give us a staff report?

Okay, like I said, this is a conditional use hearing. We received an application from Gary Spear. I'm sorry, did I take that right? I knew that after I said it. As you know, this is on the lot that is along Mickelson Road, east of Western. It's about three-quarters of a mile west of Western Avenue. We had resold that lot. It was originally... in the city as a we resumed it to residential um keeping in mind they want to move forward with purchasing the lot and putting the shelves on it is what they indicated so we the lot has been resolved this is the next step the conditional use hearing um we went through the regulations for shouts we adopted those a couple of years ago we have those regulations Looks like they can meet all of them. The one says that they've got to meet our current standards for a single family home. Now if we look into it a little bit more, Gary did show me a picture of the shelves and that is in your packet. It's gonna be still siding and still roof. That is allowed. But after we're talking a little more for this hearing, he has indicated that the roof will have exposed fasteners and that is not allowed in our regulations. um that's been in our regulations for quite a few years um i think it was more or less for people that were already in established neighborhoods we wanted them to not have those panels so we wouldn't have those exposed fasteners so that's why it was put in place now that we've adopted regulations for showers we didn't change any of those standards specifically for showers Like I said, he can meet all the other regulations except that one. So as part of the conditional use hearing, he would like to see if we would consider deviating from that regulation. We don't have this, no exposed fastener requirements on the siding. I don't think that was ever an issue, so it never got into our regulations to begin with, but we do on the rookie. So does it make sense or not? I don't know. And talking with Kyle a little bit, and maybe Paul can attest to this, most shouses do have this skill of design with the exposed staff. You've done many, right? I don't know.

They're not allowed in Brandon, but certainly I ran across in the four years I was in the county, For sure. And they don't have any kind of regulations like that. So it was standard procedure.

So we're doing a conditional use to allow the shells, and then do we have to have a second conditional use?

No, I think we can do it all in this one, because you're going to either approve it as applied for, or you're going to put different conditions on it or amend it. So it can be part of the approval process.

Question back for staff. Why do we not allow exposed fasciners?

Like I said, it's been in our regulations, I think since I started with this thing, so 20 years ago. And I assume there's always more kind of aesthetics. Back then, there wasn't a lot of metal roofs. As you know, they're getting more and more popular just because of maintenance and durability. I think, you know, the norm back then was most neighborhoods had asphalt shingles. And when people come in to put metal roofing, we wanted to, number one, make sure they weren't the corrugated metal roofing over the open ice. And we just wanted to have it more look, you know, for aesthetic reasons, a little nicer. Like I said, that was put in place around us here. That is kind of what I've been told in the background. But that's, you know, That's before, you know, a lot of metal wasps were even being put in. You know, it's kind of a different ballgame we're looking at here now.

I mean, in this exact situation, I'm like, why is it, I mean, No harm, no fault, no issue whatsoever.

That's what I put around for it. I don't see for a standard house design would probably have this, especially like where he's going to put it. He's on a large lot, you know, kind of town point a bit, you know, over five acres. It will not... ruined the states of the neighborhood he's surrounded by farm homes out there with metal sheds and whatnot so i i don't think that it would you know um hamper or have you know any issues arise from any neighboring property i think we will like i put a report dealing with future houses coming up i know we have development east of town is going to have larger lots and i heard a couple people talk about wanting to put houses up there too so it is something that's It's gonna become more and more popular. We're probably gonna have more within the city.

You know, I think back to a comment that Travis Keel made to me when I first came on to P&Z and he said, you can't zone ugly. I realize we have developments coming in, whatever. It almost seems to me that whether you have screws and the sheeting on the roof is more a development thing than us having it in the zone.

Yeah, that could be a covenant.

It could be more of a covenant in the development than it is.

Yeah, if they don't want it in their development in their neighborhood, it could be more of a covenant thing. And a lot of the covenants have stipulations on what material they need to use and build or whatnot. Obviously, this isn't under any covenants.

I know of a couple of our developments in town that you can't do a metal roof because of the covenants.

Right, you can't even do metal roofs completely. So...

I mean, I look at this myself and I'm like, it's a slam dunk. Why wouldn't we? I don't see anything whatsoever that would have us say, no, you can't.

Like I said, I don't see where it's going to, you know, you know, that's up to the neighborhood at all. Either the typical house design.

Mark and I are just talking, the commercial buildings have this, right? Yeah, commercial buildings. Like Barton's new building.

Yeah, we just have this regulation for single family dwellings.

So I don't see the difference. Why would we single out? residential homes versus a commercial building.

If you ever drove past a commercial building, all those fastenings on the roof sure are ugly. Exactly.

I don't think anybody even noticed. Especially when it's a high roof, like I see this will be like 20 feet off of your own.

And if you'd look in the packet, you know, the design, I mean, it's very nicely designed. I mean, obviously in the picture, you couldn't tell. You're probably never going to see on the roof there.

Well, if you put white roofing in black and black.

Yeah, maybe you would. I thought he was going to do that.

Other thoughts from the board?

i think if we are requiring that in our ordinance we need to take a look at the ordinance and change that I think there's valid discussion to have on that going forward.

Yeah, I think going forward there.

For now, I would say let's approve that part of it. Can you make that a motion? Well, do I have to make a motion for the whole thing? Just approve CUP.

That's submitted?

That's submitted. I would make a motion to approve the COP for the roofing exposed.

No, just for the shouse application is submitted.

Yeah, that's part of the application. So we'll grant the motion.

Second. The motion and a second to approve. And we don't have a CUP number on this.

I'm wondering. You don't?

I must have wrote that later after I took your copies. I have a number on it. Well, I will put it in the minutes. You'll put it in the minutes. 6-12.

6-12, CUP 6-12. Any further discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote. Espinoza.

Yes.

Coodle? Yes. Graham? Yes. Anderson? Yes. Miles? Yes. Randall, yes. Okay. Approved. Thank you.

Shoot some hoops.

Shoot some hoops. Shoot some hoops.

Shoot some hoops. Shoot some hoops.

Shoot some hoops.

Shoot some hoops. Shoot some hoops.

We have no old business. We'll move to new business. Review proposed amendments to zoning regulations. First one is draft ordinance 773, section 12.03, accessory building regulations.

And this was to match national regulations.

Yeah, we talked about, you know, we had the requirement for, you know, 150 square feet can have metal roofs on it. It was just a random number picked out by Seacog put on there. We're finding more and more pre-built buildings are having those metal roofs. Carla noted that the international building codes don't even put regulations for anything under 200 square feet. So we talked about maybe we should bump that up to 200 square feet. So that is, if you look at in your packet, IN RED, THAT'S NUMBER 8. THAT'S CHANGING THAT WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIGHT MATERIALS, CHANGING THAT FROM THE 150 SQUARE FEET, BUMPING IT UP TO THE 200 SQUARE FEET LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT. AND AS READING THROUGH THIS, I ALSO CHANGED NUMBER 7 WHERE IT SAYS, IF TWO ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED, ONE MUST BE NO LARGER. IT HAD THAT 150 SQUARE FEET IN THERE AGAIN. I THINK WE SHOULD BUMP THAT UP TO 202 JUST TO STAY CONSISTENT SO WE KNOW, BASICALLY, regulations are kind of that 200 square feet is where we start looking at you know having to meet certain regulations with the city so this is the proposed changes to accessory buildings and it's an ordinance change so you know if you approve it would be a recommendation to the city council we would have to go

It makes sense. We've already got two people that show in, come in and get us to approve just to.

Yeah, exactly. That's what we discussed.

And we're just going to match IBC, so. Yep, yep.

We're just going to kind of match that. 200 square feet is where they kind of draw the line and start regulating them. Yep.

I'm not looking for busy work. I don't know if you guys are.

Nope.

So can I make a motion to recommend approval with the city council for the national ordinance?

No, we'll do it, Steve.

You want to do them all together?

No, let's talk about each of them separate because there's different components. But just to let you know, these are all ordinance changes, so it will all have that same process of going through the public hearing and the city council. So if you're good with the changes, just approve all the changes, recommend all the changes.

Okay.

I'll second it. Motion and second. Further discussion? And then we'll vote. Miles? Yes. Anderson? Yes. Graham? Yes. Espinosa? Yes. Coodle? Yes. Crandall? Yes. Move on to 774.

So 774 and 775, which are kind of our camper, pretty much that we talked about. I said before, it brought to our attention, we don't allow campgrounds, basically now, into any zoning district, either permitted use or conditional use. We used to, way back when, when we did an ordinance update or a zoning update, it got dropped somewhere. And I don't think that was intentional of the city, I think, because they used to allow it. It was called General Business FM, and it's our community commercial. so but when we did our 2011 i think updates and we changed to community uses and conditional uses it wasn't showing up in any zoning district so we had the discussion of do we want to allow campgrounds we decided yeah probably in our seagrown it would make sense or in commercial i mean we obviously we don't want them in residential you know districts um to that we want to you know don't want to be invasive to the residents and whatnot so um they're the only place campgrounds are even mentioned in our current ordinances like i said they're not permitted or conditional but it mentions it under manufactured home districts it says you know for a campground you need to get a license and then it has a definition of a campground well it's kind of a mute point because it's not a permitted use or conditional use and um as talking with seacock i don't i think we want to remove all wording of campgrounds in manufactured homes because campgrounds i think we want to be temporary residents we don't want to make them permanent residents in a manufactured home park um if you agree with that so basically seven seven They're going to try to be permanent. So 774 basically takes out the wording in the Manufactured Home District, takes out the definition and that wording for needing to get a license. So basically it just eliminates all wording in Manufactured Home about campgrounds. So it kind of cleans that one up. Passing of this would take out the definition, which we have X out, and then it'll take out wording about needing a license. So if you want to approve that, then we can move on and talk about ordinance 775, which is our capital regulations proposing.

I make a motion to change that wording, to get rid of that wording.

Second. We have a motion and a second to amend section 5-04 on the Manufactured Housing Residential District, draft ordinance 774. Any further discussion? We'll vote. Anderson? Yes. Coodle? Yes. Graham? Yes. Espinosa? Yes. Miles? Yes. Randolph? Yes. And move on to draft ordinance 775, amend section 3.02, 7.02, 8.02, 12-20, and 20-02, travel trailer campgrounds.

So that's a lot, but basically this is then adding campgrounds as a conditional use into our zoning districts. Basically, Section 1, 3.02 would add it, and they're all going to be added as conditional uses. So they'll need to come to the board if they want to have a campground and go over, you know, their plan with you, and you guys can put certain conditions on it. None of them are permitted uses. So Section 1 basically adds it as a conditional use for NRC area, so parkland or agland or whatnot, which seems to make sense. section two would add it to our community commercial district which would be it in the business district um section three mistake there added to our regional commercial so our commercial district we have neighborhood commercial we have community commercial and regional commercial um they're just a little more intense uses as you go up as well THIS WOULD ADD IT TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. WE DID NOT ADD IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BECAUSE BASICALLY THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE STRIP MALL IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK A CAMPGROUND WOULD FIT IN VERY WELL SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTS. SO WE DIDN'T ADD IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO JUST COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. SECTION 4, BASICALLY, it talks about the regulations and we can kind of go through them one by one because of what's in the ordinance um to learn what they gotta buy by section five basically as a definition for campground for our trailer and section six as a definition of what a camping unit is and what a camper is so I think it's pretty straightforward. The most discussed, I think, is looking at our regulations. And this is, Seacoast kind of drafted it by looking at different communities, what they have put in place. So if you look at this 12.20, these are the suggested regulations. I don't know if you've got a chance to look at it, but basically A is occupancy. It can't be there more than 30 days in the calendar year. B basically says the campground has to meet all the regulations for the Department of Health. Location C is location. It can't be next to a residential district. So we want it right next to homes and houses there. And then D is kind of the site standards. So within the campground, basically it's talking about, you know, the minimum distance between pads and how long the pads have to be. Basically, you know, each one has to have their own driveway to it and their own separate site. The campground has to provide, you know, water and sanitary sewer service to it, have to be paved surfaces. Those are all basically the regulations of what you have to food in the campground if you're going to put one up. That's open for discussion. These are suggested regulations.

So our jurisdiction goes out how far from Harper? City limits.

Well, the city limits, and it's kind of jagged no matter which way you go. So this would govern what's in city limits?

Scops is outside of our area. They're not in the city limits, correct? Right. Because I thought we had... We have platting jurisdiction. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. If anybody wants to plat within that, basically three miles of the city, they got to get approval from the city. But basically we can only pass an ordinance to regulate regulations inside city limits. So this would be just what's in city limits. Okay. Have you had inquiries of people wanting to do it? Well, I had one gentleman inquire about a campground. So I said, well, I'll have to look up the regulations, see what we got. And as I started looking, it's like, hmm. And I knew we had some way back when. It's like, it's not allowed in any district. So that kind of started this whole move.

Well, I know when Mark Monahan used to be on here, he wanted it in the park. I know my mother was not real pleased because he wanted it to be right behind her house.

So, yeah. So we've got a long list for how many years without a campground? True, yeah. I just... I know we have a permanent campground on the north end of town. So I just... Do we have an ordinance about sleeping in your camper overnight? Do you?

We do. I mean, as far as you can, like, have a camper and park it in your residence, you can't be in it more than seven days for, you know, the permanent living. So we do have a municipal ordinance that regulates that, those kind of things. Yeah.

He's just looking at a tin shed in our backyard. Nobody got any trouble with that.

I think we still let kids put tents up in their backyard.

That's still legal.

Do we need a motion to approve ordinance number 775? Well, you can go ahead and make the motion if you want to. Because we can discuss. We can have more discussion. Wondering if we needed to have a motion before we're done.

Who would have to recommend it?

Yeah, I'll need some guidance of whether you're good with this or if you want to make changes or, you know, anyone.

Brad's a little over on the fence over here.

All of these would. All of these will come back to us for hearing because they're just drafts, right?

Yeah, exactly. These are all just drafts for discussion. So the process is, and then the ordinance change, zoning ordinance is that, then I got a public hearing that'll come before you guys, then a public hearing that'll go before the city council, and then the city council has two ordinance readings, one with the public hearing and then the second one. It's a process still, so it will come back to you guys again.

So a motion now is just to go forward with the draft ordinance to a hearing.

Or make amendments or things.

Yeah, I would wonder shouldn't we say anything about like restrooms or a bathhouse or a playground or something. I mean, all this does is identify the little piece of land that you're going to put your camper on.

And you've got 10 feet of space in it.

i mean at number six it does say you have to supply with water and sewer and basically you have to provide you know garbage dumpster services there's nothing in there about playgrounds in an area like that.

Or a rest area for the next campus. Yeah, or a shower, you know, an area like that. Like the city.

If you travel to another campground, you'll be flying with the city water sanitary service. That's what the guy building the campground says there. It's basically putting some slide-outs out in the interest. Nobody's going to run the streets.

But you aren't going to build a campground with no power? No. Nobody will come? Nobody will come.

Because we're going to run your east. Not nowadays. Not with all the big campgrounds out there. And that's up to whoever wants to develop this. Right. Yeah. If they're not going to put those amenities in, then you're not going to have people show up.

Right. So then why specify that you're going to have a spot to park your car?

Well, that would be because we don't want cars parked on the road blocking traffic for emergency services to get in there. You don't want them running down to Sunshine using their restrooms either. I'm not. I just say I am not as little as you can put into something like this as you have.

If you look out at North Cliff and Sioux Falls, like on the north side of 90, east of Cliff, there's a campground there, and there's probably 30, 40 spots, and they're full. It's people that are, you know, working road construction or traveling.

Going through town or just, yeah.

Yeah, they're traveling long distance. You park there overnight. But if you're, you know, working at, you know, CJ Foods for a year and a half, you bring your gamblers down and sell it. I think there is with traveling workforce, there is a need for some of that where you're just going to have those utility hookups for people that are going to hang out for a longer period of time than they need. But yeah, if you're going to go camping with your family, you're not going to set up shop off of North Cliff.

I have a friend of mine in Alabama who's developing out what he's done. He'll have 200 and like 280 some campsites in that campground. He's got 130 right now. And it is all, as you're talking about, it's all workforce. People don't, I mean, he's got a nice place and he's got a pond and he's got a rec hall and put a bunch of those amenities in, but it's not people to bring the families to come camping. He has people to sign year-long leases to put their camper there because they're in town doing a construction project in their traveling workforce. They follow a contractor to every job that they go to.

Yeah, we've done all projects, same situation with the tractor. This was geared more towards I think the recreational and not the workers because

Number one basically says you can only be there 30 days out of a whole year. So I think this is more for recreational camping versus work.

And that being the case, we don't need a recreational campground because what recreation is here to drive people to recreational camp?

Well, and like Brad said, we don't have any community of a lake. Right.

river or we don't need to overrun our pool the way it is because i mean yeah you sometimes have that flood zones right or they'll put a campsite in or next to the lake or river that runs through town and it's no other use right you might try to get some revenue out of that little area right but

I will note, Kyle says Lennox has a campground, a municipal one, and they're closing it down.

Who does?

Lennox.

Do they do?

Yeah, they're going to, it is too much maintenance and headaches.

I see Humboldt added a bunch around their park. And it's outside of the park. And it's outside of the park they added a bunch? A bunch of what? campsites campsites around their city park down there by the country by the school there's probably 10 there yeah 10 back in there they're tight but they're back there well it doesn't montrose also right there yeah they're right by the river they have their monroe's house maybe

So far I'm humbled I haven't had to go around the camper in any of those campsites yet when I fertilized the park. There was nobody in there as of yesterday.

Just saying. But I just don't know a recreational campground in Hartford.

I'm not a fan of the idea. A recreational campground? Probably not, but if he's talking about mobile transit people coming to work.

Well, that would be something off the Highway 38 access. Yeah, you know, that I could see, but right in town.

Yeah, even Sioux Falls where you mentioned, that's not in town. But even out there, you're out there by Oakland and stuff.

Wall Street, we don't want a campground out there. It's our campground on the city limits. I don't think... Somebody can put one out by Wall Lake. I mean, that's to me. I mean, if I was in favor of this and I wanted to have it right, section A, I would take out the 30, more than 30 days in a year. I wouldn't have a regulation of how long you can park your camper there. Well, and even, I mean, recreational otherwise, If my camper sits there for 30 days or it sits there for a year and it's a campground, what's the harm of the fall?

Right.

Plus it may be hard for the code enforcement officer to regulate that. Absolutely.

Well, yeah. Number one, I'll just move to the site next door. Me and my buddy will trade places. I mean, more than 30 days in one calendar year is kind of like, can't use your cell phone while you're driving. We have ordinances all over the place that say, has it ever stopped anybody from doing it? And it's an enforcement nightmare.

But those that passed the ordinance or the law, they felt really good about it.

They put it where that car lot is on Highway 38. Didn't make it. Now it'll be a campground.

Another one? For three campers. For three campers. No, camp because it's adjacent to residential. That is true. Scott Young lives in between the church and the car lot. Okay, good.

Yeah, I just don't know. I have no idea.

I'm not a fan.

I just don't see a place in town.

I can't think of any place in town where it would work.

Well, we can't be by residential. I mean, that kind of rules out most. Yeah, considering where we're at, residential town.

I don't want to see it anywhere. I don't want to drive anywhere in town and see a campground. Fair enough.

If you can't see anywhere in town, you can do this. But Warren Luke has ground all the way off to where the shouse is going. Right.

I don't want to see that house either. Did I say that out loud? I just did, didn't I? Well, you said you can't change ugly.

You can't sell an ugly. Travis said that, I didn't.

You said it really loud, but I'm not a fan.

We have, Asthams have 280 acres in the whole Turtle Creek area out there. because he's got everything to the township road. And then we have other folks that annexed in east of the township road all the way up to the sewer treatment plant. The city's got how many acres right on the corner there north of the interstate?

That'd be a good spot.

Yeah, we got five acres there.

Five or seven acres there of flat ground.

Yeah.

Again, we'll be... That's a municipal campground. I'm just saying there's... We're not having a municipal one. You're not going to see somebody come in and put a campground on South Main. But again, I mean, another piece of it is Crestman's have 180 acres along the interstate out there by... the American off a diamond trail. Again, could be for the transient, not just the workforce people, but the people traveling to the hills and they want a campsite to stay in. It'd be a perfectly good place to put in a campground.

Yeah, but apparently we can't just tell them this is the one spot you could do it.

No, you can't.

I don't want to drive down my Colton Road because I can see all that. I don't want to see a campground.

I'm going to admit, it might be in the city limits, and it might, you know.

Yeah, I don't think that. Well, I'll quote you. It's kind of the same thing.

Right now, right now, you know, I'm getting rid of theirs.

Just the maintenance and the issues with the, it's not cost efficient.

Right now, you can pull out of your driveway and it's not cost efficient.

I know. Well, that's county, luckily, but I know. But I know they have other partners. Because right now, they can put a campus in. But I know that they have water issues there, which is good for me. But, yeah. because I hear the church was going to go there at one time. Way back, Gorman's church was going to go there and I hear there was water issues. Yeah, if they put a campground there, I swear.

I mean, I'm really, I'm torn both ways because one of me is like. Does every town need a campground?

It's not likely to drill anyone.

Right. My first thing is it likely should probably, may not, probably not. Or do you need a reason to be able to tell them no?

You say it's not in our regulations. I mean, to say we don't allow it.

Where is it written in our regulations that we don't allow campgrounds?

No, it's not in there. I'll just tell them it's not a regulation we don't allow.

We can't even get a conditional use for a campground, no. No. We don't, like right now, they're not. Curt regulation, you couldn't get a conditioner used or anything to do with it. No, you couldn't come and even ask for it.

It'd have to be in a regular.

Well, I got that as a good point there. Well, part of this does say that it would still require conditional use. In any of those areas, still is a conditional use.

If we do even pass any of this, they all require conditional use.

None of it's permitted. Before we approve it. Before we approve their campsite.

Yes, I put it in a folder, file it. For when it comes up. If it ever comes up. We have better things to worry about.

Are you good with cleaning up the Burr Beach in the manufactured home? Because that's just worthless Burr Beach because it's not permitted anyway. I think we need to clean that up.

I agree with that. We'll just do no action on 775. We already agreed we're doing that one. Right, yeah. Just be no action on 775. If you want to just have it as a no action on 775, that's fine. Does that work for everyone?

And we'll put it in the folder with swimming pools.

Yeah, put it right inside the swimming pool.

All right.

Mr. Clark, Tracy, do you have anything to add to your report?

I don't really have anything to add unless you guys have questions. I did put a little look in there about Kelly Avenue. We're looking at possibly a project along there. We've been talking with the homeowners. They've got drainage issues going on there. we're trying to figure out whether to do a full stream project, a part stream project, drainage project. We've had a couple meetings with them. We've had IC do a drainage study. Obviously, you know, right now they have no curb and gutter or storm sewer system at all on Kelly Island. It's just an asphalt mat on there. So obviously that's why they've got a lot of drainage problems. But even the water and sewer likes an infrastructure underneath it's old we're having a lot of reports of breakage and stuff so we would like to fix that um anyway they have tasked isg with coming up with you know maybe what kind of a project obviously those people got you know it's been an established neighborhood they've got you know nice full trees that are on their property, I mean, actually they're in the Boulevard area, but they're using it as their property. They would like to see a project, and they agree, they'd like to see a whole project that fixes both things, not just a drainage, but, you know, fix everything. But they wanted to be as least invasive as possible to save as much boulevard as we can. So one of the proposals ISG come up with is a one-way design. where obviously you don't need to have that, you know, we can cut down on the street width, which we'll cut down on, you know, the boulevard area you need, but still incorporate what they're proposing, still incorporating sidewalks on both sides, because we've had the discussion with sidewalks, one sidewalk can be put on this side, that side, who gets it, who doesn't get it. Same thing with parking, because we've talked about with them, you know, Do we do just one side of parking? Who gets the parking? Who doesn't? You know, this design incorporates, like I said, you know, kind of a narrower, you know, just for the one-way traffic, but it will allow parking on both sides and sidewalks. So what the council would like to do is we're going to try a trial run on the one-way, so we are going to basically, huh? Interesting, one-way traffic. Yes, that'll be our first one-way. If we do this, huh?

Which way then?

We would go from second street to south.

Yeah, can we put a roundabout at both ends of it, too, while we're on it? Second street south?

Second street to the south. So we're gonna, basically, we're going to start you know, we'll put up some signage and some paintings and lines and kind of just give them the feel of how we're going to do a trial run. Get feedback from the residents there, see if they want to move forward with the project, you know, that'll get assessed to them and go from there. So just a little warning, we're going to do a trial run one way.

What's the name of the street? I always call it teacher row. Kelly.

Kelly. The one across from the park. Yeah. Yeah. teacher can we can we teach you can we try that one-way street next on party yes that has some parties too and some yeah yeah we need that they're one side up there that'd be tough yeah because that's a long one there is whatever i don't know if it's the

Southside? Southside allows parking. I think Southside allows parking. Right.

Southside does not allow parking, but everybody does anyway. Southside doesn't? No. Southside allows parking, Northside doesn't. No, it does not. because the no parking signs are too far apart. Everybody thinks it's just there.

Yeah, one spot to the sign. I've seen them parked there, too. Yes, I've seen them on both sides. So we'll probably do that probably mid-July through mid-August. We want to try to get it wrapped up before school starts and whatnot, and we'll get feedback from them.

That is the best way to go, though, is from second, because everybody would turn that way.

I hope they're going to be generous with the warning permits, warning tickets.

I think during this trial, it'll be a learning curve for everybody in town.

If nobody on Colton Road gets a ticket for speeding, they better not get one-way tickets on that road.

How old is that city meeting? How old is that development? When was that put in, do you know? Back in the 80s.

That's why it's teacher road. Fisher was on there, Comus was on there. All the teachers, UTAC, they all lived on there. That's when they built it, yeah. They might get this in there for a while. They were there in the 80s. Yeah, it was before the 80s because I graduated in 85. That was forever ago. I'm older than Dirk.

I know. So yeah, so look forward to that. Unless you have any questions on anything else that I have. That's kind of one big thing. That'll be cool. You're up.

I make a motion to adjourn. Had to catch my tray cell.

I have a motion and a second to adjourn. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Meeting adjourned.

My tray cell was flying around in my head and I had to catch it.

Your what cell?

It's called my tray cell. My friend said it was my tray cell