City Council - Regular Meeting

To the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Tracy. Please take the roll.

Mayor Jones.

Here. Hill. Here.

Carlson. Here. Prochek.

Here.

Matson. Here. Schilling. Here. And Bowen is absent with no one.

All right. Do we have any additions or actions on the agenda for tonight's meeting?

Make a motion to approve the agenda as provided.

Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson?

Yes. Mattson? Yes.

Keel? Yes. Prochek? Yes. Schilling?

Yes.

How about the minutes from the special meeting on July 6th? Budget meeting?

Motion to approve the minutes for the special budget meeting.

Second.

Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Schilling.

Yes.

Project. Yes. Keel. Yes. Madsen.

Yes.

Carlson.

Yes.

And how about the minutes from the July 7 regular meeting?

Motion to approve the meeting. The minutes of the regular city council meeting on 7-7. Second.

All right. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson. Yes. Mattson.

Yes.

Keel. Yes. Horacek. Yes. Schilling.

Yes.

All right. Bills are in your packet. Any action on the bills to be paid tonight?

Motion to approve the bills submitted for payment.

Second.

Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Schilling. Yes. Horacek. Yes. Keel. Yes. Manson.

Yes.

Carlson.

Yes.

All right. Public comment. Any input from anybody that's here to speak on items not on the agenda? That would be you. That would be me. You bet. Say your name so they can get her into minutes.

Okay. My name is Kurt Diedrich. I don't live in the city. But I just lived in, I think it's called Hartford Heights. Right over there. Moved there at the end of June. So the reason for my appearance is I'm a candidate for the Minnehaha County Auditor. And I'm going to make all the community meetings and at least say hello and let you know that I'm not from here. I've lived here two and a half years. My wife is Director of the Housing Authority. That's why we moved here to the St. Paul's area. But at age 26, I sat on the village board. And at a town of 550, I'm a farm boy. So I know your service is not well appreciated. But I want to thank you for that. Because it can be awfully boring, I understand. Do you have an attorney here? Right there. Oh, good. We've got to keep arting in line. We never wanted to ask our attorney side. It took forever to get anywhere, you know. They just go on and on.

No, we keep them pretty much underage.

Well, I served in government at various levels for about 20 years in Illinois. In Illinois, we have assessors, not equalization. So I was a county assessor, so I've been a county department head.

And this... position was available. And so I circulated petitions with Democrat, and I'm running against the current auditor. So I just want to say hello and let you know I don't forget about little towns.

I was born and raised in one and a farmer. And you all have elections here, and they're important to you as much as they are to the big city. And so that's really just the purpose, say hello. I was in your parade. I enjoyed that. I'll stop there. I don't think I did five minutes.

Okay, you're good. Man, that's even better.

I'll sit here for a bit. No, that's all right.

I'll sit here for a bit, pretend like I'm enjoying it, and then I'll just speak. No, we've had a couple over the last month that have went long, so we'll balance them out.

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

Nice to meet you. Thanks for running, and thanks for being here. All right, anybody else? If not... Are we at 7.05? We're close.

No, my laptop says 6, my phone says 4.

Yeah, my phone says 4 too. Hold on, we're close. Oh, my laptop just switched to 7.05. Okay, we'll move to applications, agreements, hearings, resolutions, ordinances. 7.05, we have a public hearing to review, approve the packaged liquor license for Quick Trip. Information's in your packet. This is a license that we had available. And our folks at Quick Star that are going to be opening up at 5 a.m. on September 10th. Notice how I kept that? I put it in an application. All the paperwork is in. Fees and everything paid, Karen?

Yes, they are.

Great.

I would make a motion to approve the packaged liquor license for a quick trip.

Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson? Yes. Mattson?

Yes.

Keel? Yes. Horacek? Yes. Schilling?

Yes.

John, do you want to come up and say a couple words and introduce yourself at least?

Sure.

I've met John, so he's the... Go ahead and tell them who you are.

I'm John.

Okay, he's shot.

Okay, we got that. I'll be the store leader at the new store going up in Hartford that, as you said, opens September 10th. I've already got a good chunk of the team hired and training, and they're excited to get into this store and open up. You bet.

Well, we're sure glad to have you join us.

We're excited. It's a lot of fun. This will be my fourth store I've opened this year.

And since Cindy lives down in my neighborhood, I'm wondering, have you picked up the fun fact? When you're driving down Mickelson, where we live on Mickelson, There's a gap in the trees, and as we're driving, we can see your sign. So we'll be able to see what gas price is not very far from our house.

You wait for it to go the right direction.

Yeah. But it was interesting. One day we were driving, and I thought, wait a minute. There's a perfect gap in the trees. You can see it when you're driving down. That's probably why that sign's angled like that. I think somebody must have shot that.

All for award three.

All for award three. That's it. Thank you for coming. We're glad to have you guys here.

How many employees? Well, currently I have 20, but I hope to have 30 by the time we open. Okay. Part-time and full-time. Usually part-time and full-time, sure. Usually 30 to 35.

Okay. And we asked about free donuts, but we got free coffee out of him, I think, earlier. For the ribbon cutting. Yeah. We should have 5 a.m. Well, thanks. We are glad you guys are here. I'm going to jump past the 710, then we'll come back. Is that all right? We'll move down to the first special event application, South Main Block Party. to be held on August, you can jump right on up. I gotta get there. Thanks, you guys. Thank you. 5 a.m. 5 a.m., September 10th. All right, this same deal you guys have done a few years, yeah. Yep, you want the street blocked off seven till 10. All the stuff looks good. Craig, go get the barricades hauled down like we have in the past. He's been paid. Any action from the council? Or questions?

Motion to approve special event application for South Main Walk Party. Second.

Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Schilling?

Yes.

Prochek? Yes. Keel? Yes. Madsen? Yes. Carlson? Yes. You're set.

Thank you. Have fun. What time are you planning on putting the barricades up?

We'll drop them off that morning or the night before, like we have in the past.

Okay. I think it was right here. Perfect. Thank you, Jennifer. You bet. All right.

I just flipped to 710. Let's go back to the 710 hearing.

for a special wine license for Converse Wine for the upcoming farmer's market?

I make a motion to approve a special wine license for Converse Wine Company.

Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson.

Yes.

Mattson. Yes. Keel. Yes. Project. Yes. Schilling.

Yes.

All right, let's dump down to the last. Oh, no. This is the one we've got to move.

Yes.

Let's see.

The hearing.

I'm going to move this to our next meeting, our next regular scheduled meeting. Oh, they'll be ready by then, you think?

That's what she said. Okay.

Yeah, they don't have their date specific, so they've asked to move this. So the motion is to move this to the August whatever date that it's fourth meeting.

Yeah, they don't have a date by then. We'll coordinate with them on whatever agenda works.

All right.

Second.

All right, any discussion? Hearing none, we'll vote. Schilling.

Yes.

Project. Yes. Keel. Yes. Mattson. Yes. Carlson.

Yes.

All right. It was knocked off. We'll move to the fire department report. I see we have the chief here tonight, so we're going to get both barrels.

I think you received the notes. Yep. Got them. Yep. First of all, do you want to thank the city of Hartford? Right now we're using the pool as a pool party for us. So thank you to the city of Hartford for allowing us to have family day with the pool. And in return, like anything else, Barb is the one who provides the... CPR and first aid to all your employees for that there, and you've been gracious to allow us to have a family night, specifically for the fire department and their families, so we do appreciate that. Thank you very much. I wasn't going to show up in my slum trunks and my flip flops and say that's where I'm going next, but... Otherwise, membership activities, as you see, it was a pretty busy month in June. Jamboree Day is Downtown Farmer's Market. We did work the Rocket Country Festival for a fire and EMS standby, and that was, for those that may not know, know this, but Wayne Township, actually the Lions, the Maniac County Fairgrounds is territory of the Hartford Fire and Rescue for First Duke. That is not in the city limits of Sioux Falls. So it's an interesting fact. If you're ever inquired about that, and that was taken in as a part of the Wayne Township agreement when they were looking for a response to that. So we do have some challenges with long distance response time, but we are first due in that coverage area within the Minnetonka County Fairgrounds. I always advise those that inquire with that, that although they always say, well, there's a fire station right there, there's Sioux Falls police right there, but same with the law enforcement, the law enforcement, that's their primary responsibility. But for fire and EMS and law enforcement included for sure, I can't speak for that. But for fire and EMS side, we have automatic aid agreements. So anything significant, priority ones, which are cardiac arrest or significant life-threatening emergencies and more active structure fires. Sioux Falls would automatically respond to our aid as an automatic alarm. So I kind of segwayed from that, but when I was on Rock the Country Festival, I thought this was a great opportunity to introduce you to our coverage area in its entirety for that. It's a little known fact. Nothing significant from the county fire chief's meeting other than it's been a lot of discussion at the county level on ambulance, the EMS issue, and I'll get to that when I talk about operations, some operational concerns. uh training uh we just had seven members of tenn state fire school uh for a couple days we had a couple members that are taking a strategy and tactics course that's a 40-hour course with a practical and written exam and then the invest training we had was on els support fire training was on those operations and water supply no staffing updates operational updates uh 463rd progress is going really well for that so it's not really affecting our um for hartford it's the bigger concern is people coming in to help us, whether it's ambulance or humbled ambulance or Sioux Falls fire units and how that's affected. But we're over that, we're over that hump right now where there's the road closures in the road after it's been, taken down we're onto a pretty decent gravel road and Craig I think to the best of my knowledge right now it's a pretty stable road where it's at and passable for emergency vehicles so operational updates this I just as well speak of it now it wasn't in my report written report but it was the incident that we had just on July 14th of last week so we had a house explosion and fire occurred within the city limits of Hartford where two individuals were injured and were transported to Minneapolis to the burn unit with that. SO PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EVENT, I DON'T KNOW, AS COUNSELORS AND COUNCILWOMEN, I SUSPECT THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN APPROACHED WITH SOME QUESTIONS, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THE BIG DISCUSSION, AND I'VE HAD SOME TALKS ABOUT THAT, IS THE FACT THAT Our second ambulance that was coming would have been coming from Dell Rapids at that time. So I'm inquiring about this, and just for the record, I am not stating by any means that Hartford Fire and Rescue is interested in acquiring an ambulance service. However, I am very active and very engaged in the EMS system within Minnehaha County. Where it falls there is kind of an issue at the county level, but nonetheless, my position or the position of hartford fire and rescue is the concern that east or west of interstate 29 we have one ambulance that's 958 out of pummel east of interstate 29 you have two ambulances at garrison or dell rapids one ambulance at dell rapids and then you have medstar the staff and those are all same service as what pummeled ambulance is providing so I'm asking difficult questions. I'm asking county administrators as well as those. There is currently, for your information, an active study that is going on. It has yet to start, but it's a fifth study. It's the same study that did the study down at for Lincoln County for the T. Harrisburg EMS response, and then with Lincoln County in that, and now they did the Sioux Falls study as well, but Minneapolis County is involved with a Fitch study. I TALKED TO TIM EVEN THE OTHER DAY, AND THERE'S NOTHING, THERE HAS BEEN NO MOVEMENT IN THAT, BUT NONETHELESS, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM ACTIVE IN THAT STUDY, AND I'M A VOICE FOR THE CITIZENS OF HARTFORD AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR THE FUTURE OF EMS WITHIN THE COUNTY, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WITH HARTFORD FIRE AND RESCUE. I should ask, is there any question, you know, again, I emphasize, I am not going to the county saying Hartford needs an ambulance. I'm not doing that. I'm saying that somewhere west of Interstate 29, we need to have a better system for EMS services. How the chips fall, wherever, but... They aren't going to know unless somebody is a voice for the public and just informing them and pushing issues.

So Todd and I had a conversation about this after this event. And Sioux Falls was supposed to be, but they didn't have one available to come. So Sioux Falls couldn't get an ambulance out here. So we had our ambulance coming from Humboldt, and then the second one's coming from Dell Rapids. And you've got two people that were involved in a burn. And coming from Del Rapids, I don't care if you're driving an ambulance as fast as you can, you're still 25 minutes at minimum to get here. I mean, and sometimes 25 minutes, something bad's happened, you know? I don't know how else to say it. Something bad has happened. So I told Todd, we... I said, keep that conversation going. Where it ends up, who knows? Because we do know one thing, it's expensive, but we decide to plop an ambulance someplace out here, we know it's really costly. And if the county can get on board with this, maybe it's something we need to look at. And maybe we need to look at someplace, it doesn't necessarily have to be here, but someplace close.

I do encourage the same conversations because it's just, instead of just being from the Hartford Fire Rescue, I do encourage, you know, the city administrators, you know, township boards to ask that very same question because coming from just Hartford Fire Rescue isn't, you know, isn't weighted as well as what it is when we have a lot of people that are standing up with a concern, pretty simple concern. And I think a relevant concern and something that needs to be taken note of as we move forward. We're running the same system that we have other than eastern Minneapolis County, which has made some changes, but we've had the same system in west of Interstate 94. I couldn't tell you how many years, but it's in the decades.

So just to recap, there's two ambulances in Del Rapids. Yes, Greg. One in Garrison. Greg. How about Valley Springs or Brandon?

They are covered. I don't know the boundaries for them, but between Garrison and MedStar, MedStar comes out of Brandon. They have a paid service. And the MedStar contract is very similar to the PCMS, which is a private ambulance company that's serving the city of Sioux Falls at this time. And... And the reason that they would not allow another, we have automatic aid with them, but they were down to minimum staffing level with call down even going on within the city of Sioux Falls. And by contract, they can't send their only ambulance that's left to outside the city limits. Nothing in Colton, nothing in Crooks. So then it's Humboldt. So there's four rural ambulances serving.

Correct. Okay. Ambulance services. Services, right. Yeah. And those folks ended up driving themselves, is that correct? They did, yeah. They drove themselves into the emergency room. ER, you don't see that every day.

You see a lot of things in the ER, but not that. It was something. They are expected to survive. With that, Call volume increase comparable to last year. Calls for service for the month of June 25, and we had 60 of them within the city of Hartford for June. And I guess that July we'll have that fire. We had a pretty good response for that. I looked at the times, and they were very manageable times for utilizing our own resources as well as our automatic aid, so working well.

Chief, you said it's a Fitch study? Is that Fitch and Associates? Yeah, that is correct. Okay. Yep.

All right, any questions for the chief? Thanks for letting all the trucks come the other night for Friday night. That was nice. The ladder truck with the big flag was a hit. Isn't that a big flag? That was a hit.

That was a hit. All right. I would encourage all of you to talk to the chief about... state of rural EMS. Yeah. It was kind of eye-opening. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

You bet. Well, we appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Todd. You bet. All right. Let's move to building inspector code enforcer Kyle Christensen.

back there at his little desk at the back.

Have you seen any volume increase on code enforcement violations or anything or no? About the same?

About the same.

Any questions for Kyle?

Just an observation that a lot of these are staff driven. And so I would say there's always the discussion, since I've been on council, is that are we a proactive or a reactive? And it looks like we're moving into a proactive code enforcement. And so... I think thank you that's not always popular easy so but those appear to be you know valid complaints and not targeting anybody or anything but just some general areas of improvement so thank you all right thanks Kyle and you got an action item here too

So Kyle has a request to go to the American Association of Code Enforcement, and Teresa and I talked about this a little bit. Typically we don't send our folks to far off spots for training, but it just so happened in this case that the South Dakota Association of Code Enforcers had a scholarship, if you will, Kyle threw his name in and I'll be darned, he got it paid for at no cost to the city to go to this conference. And really what he needs from us is to say that's okay, we need to understand that we have to spend the money first and then we'll get reimbursed, so. That's everything, flights and everything? Yeah. Isn't that something? That's a great deal.

Is that at Disney then? Coincidentally. Just said Orlando. I mean, that's a pretty good guess. Motion to approve the request to attend the American Association of Code Enforcements from September 28th through the 10th.

Second.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, and of course we'll want to report. Hearing none, Schilling? Yes. Horace? Yes. Keel? Yes. Madsen? Yes. Carlson? Sorry, I threw that in at the middle of the motion. Sorry. Thanks for applying for that.

That was great.

Yeah, that's really. How many did scholarship to give?

Just the two.

Two? Okay. Wow. Yeah, that's it.

You usually don't get much applicants.

Yeah, that's good. That's awesome. All right, we'll move on to the city engineer report, the most exciting time of the evening. Michael.

Good evening, everyone. My report is in your packet. On the general engineering side, working on that stormwater basin ownership updates are underway. Got a map and a kind of a report template for each basin that we're going to review with Theresa and Craig on this upcoming Thursday. On the project side, the water resource recovery facility, on the other station landscaping, specifically we did, following the past council meeting, we did reach out to four additional landscapers. According to them, it's apparently their busy season, which makes sense. They get a good four months of the year. So I did not get quotes back from them, but they seemed interested. It just is going to take them a little bit of time as they get through some of that stuff. So once we receive those quotes, we will provide them to the city for review. On Western Avenue reconstruction, there are a couple action items for council in there. We can talk about that as we go through those council items. But following our review punch list is complete, we recommend acceptance of that project and close out for that contractor. On the Mickelson Road shared use path, continue to work on MOUs and some landowner coordination there, self-congress and comments on what MOUs, we'll get that updated and coordinate that with that landowner and continue to push the others. So we'll provide an update in the schedule once we have decisions from both of those landowners and we can continue to move forward. Kelly Avenue, Greenwich City Roadway Reconstruction, whatever name you want to give it. We did work with city staff last week. Got them some pavement markings and just some lap about where the back of the sidewalk would go just for that trial roadway. So I actually drove it probably Friday. Looks really nice. Some acceptance, I'll say, you know, some We're following it somewhere. So parking way on the edge of the road. But I'm interested to hear their feedback at the end of this and see what their thoughts are on it.

This is Kelly Avenue, right? Yes. Yeah. So the states that will be how wide the road is no matter if we even do the one way.

So there's paint on the road?

The yellow paint?

The yellow paint is the gutter line, more or less. So that's about how wide the road is. And those states with the pink flagging, that'll be about the back of the sidewalk. Based on the cross sections we had provided with those pretty pictures, the visualizations.

So that'll be something like, or the farthest it'll go back.

It's still up in the air, but that's the back of the sidewalk as we had it. So it's a trip behind the back of the curb.

Okay, and the sidewalk could possibly be on both sides of the street, right? Yes, just as... I just was trying to get an idea out of the wall, because those states are really different. I think the mold on the sides would be about three or four feet.

So between the curb and gutter and the sidewalk is four foot of grass.

And then it didn't look like it was going to impact that many trees. Is that what you sort of got the impression of?

We were setting it up. There's actually one of the homeowners that has a real nice maple there. And he said, I realize that's got to go if we move ahead with this project. So he wasn't upset about it. Sure. But it was close.

I mean, to almost the bush.

Yeah, close to the bush.

Okay.

Thanks.

Teresa had one person call.

Yeah, it was before Friday, before the one-way actually got going. And this person wasn't able to come to the last city meeting on it or whatnot, so wasn't really up to speed on what the conversation was. Just had concerns about why it's not a two-way, you know, why we're trying the one-way. Wondering if there had to be sidewalks in and basically I just kind of summarized what our talk was that we're trying this out what we got from the last meeting as we wanted to be as Least evasive as we can into the Boulevard area so one way would allow a narrower Street, but still the parking on both sides and sidewalk on both sides to kind of follow still our city standards and so I said, you know, we'll have another follow-up meeting to get input. If you can't make that, make sure you definitely give us your thoughts and feelings because we want input from everybody along there. And so I just encourage her to say how it goes and give us her feedback. And that's about the only one that I really had.

I have not had anybody. Have you guys had anybody? I haven't had anybody. I thought maybe Friday night that somebody would... to say something, but no.

All right, Michael, go. Rude Lane and Diamond Trail finalized plans were provided for the intersection reconstruction as well as a traffic control access, if you will. So in the 60% plans, we had shown the temporary traffic access kind of cutting through that curve near the intersection of Rude Lane and Diamond Trail, or Rude Lane and Rude Trail there. However, then talking and just confirming that with the coffee cup. gave me they were looking at some potentially some expansions in paving their parking lot to the south and plan and access further south as it has shown in the traffic control set and just said hey why don't you know kind of compromise you're going to have this here why not why pay to install it just to take it out why don't we shift itself and then we can we as the coffee cup can utilize that as an access in the future So that is the purpose of that. The other beauty of, the other nice thing about that is that is under the bid threshold. So with council approval, you would be able to go directly solicit quotes from contractors and then get that installed and paid prior to the intersection being reconstructed, just to ensure that that is ready to go before we do that. So traffic can continue to get in and out of there. That's what I have for project updates. Happy to answer any questions. Otherwise, we can get to our action items.

Sure, let's do those.

So the first action item is change order number six to D&G Concrete Construction on the Western Avenue projects. This is a deduct of $211,270.60. This is the final change order to rectify project quantities to what was actually installed on the projects. I do have a quick summary of some of the larger items in the report. Largely, a lot of it is just due to site conditions during construction versus what we had anticipated during design. And then if you maybe recall back over a year ago, we did some traffic control change way at the beginning, which significantly reduced a lot of our temporary asphalt quantities, which did provide a significant cost savings and so on. Happy to answer any other questions you have on the change order and on what's perhaps atypical.

If I'm looking at net overall, the project is $109,924.50 under the bid price. Yeah, correct. Always like that.

Make a motion to approve the change order number six for D&G Concrete for a deductive $211,270.60. I'll second. Any discussion?

Hearing none, we'll vote. Carlson? Yes. Mattson? Yes. Keel? Yes. Rochette? Yes. Shelley? Yes.

All right, what do you got next there? Next is payout number nine to D&G on the Western Iowa project for $29,984.77. Again, this is to close out the project, final payout, and wrap it up.

Motion to approve pay up number nine to D&G Concrete Construction for $29,984.77. Second. Any discussion?

Hearing none, we'll vote. Shelley? Yes. Baracek? Yes. Keel? Yes. Manson? Yes. Carlson?

Yes.

All right. All in all, that project went really pretty well. I mean, that really worked.

as the punch was done in timely fashion, so that's always appreciated.

What? That's unheard of.

What? What? Next item for the council's review is the whole package I mentioned for that coffee cup access, but without control for the brood and diamond intersection reconstruction. with approval would be able to go solicit those quotes this week, give a two week bidding window, board window, and then anticipate having a word of the next council.

So there's two, first to approve the package so you can take it out to bid for the whole package, and then the second one is to do the detour, or are they all in one?

The detour is the first one. Oh, detour is, oh, okay. Excuse me.

That's a separate package. Okay, got it. Okay. And the bid price was $24,690.75. Is that what you've got for that?

That's what ISG's quote estimate is, but they'll actually don't solicit quotes.

Okay. Yep. Okay.

Make a motion to approve the approach quote package for coffee cup.

Second.

Any discussion? In our packet, it's just the, it's not the full bit package, though, is it?

No, there's two separate things. It's in your computer box. There it is.

I wasn't scrolling fine. I apologize. I thought it was in there.

The file's too large on both these items to put it in the PDF. Yeah.

I thought, man, for two sheets, that's pretty steep engineering.

They provide about six more.

Yike. But the ROI is right there. All right. All right.

But the full ones are in there.

Hearing nothing else, we'll vote. Carlson.

Yes.

Madsen.

Yes.

Keel. Yes. Horace. Yes. Schilling. Yes. All right.

And then the last one is the actual intersection and water main upsizing. I did fail to mention we did televise the sewer on Friday morning. Okay. Phenomenal. The Ruger guys said it. If we wouldn't have told them it was installed 15 years ago, they would have thought it was installed last summer. But we're really in good shape.

Good. And this is the whole package so you can take her out to bid, right? Correct.

We would plan to advertise this Friday and next.

Motion to approve the project plans and allow ISG to move forward with bidding.

Second.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, we'll vote. Shelly?

Yes.

Horace? Yes. Keough? Yes. Mattson?

Yes.

Carlson?

Yes.

All right. What else you got?

That is all I have. Thank you. We'll get moving on those bodies.

How did the drone footage look from Friday night? Have you looked at it yet? I haven't looked at it yet. Okay. I will do that, and I'll send it to Teresa.

Okay. Yeah. This looks all right.

I mean, our last meeting, there was some discussion about... All the conceptual plans for the wastewater treatment facility. Are those? Oh, yeah, it's in there. They're in your box? They're in the box. Okay, I was looking them up. Under the wastewater treatment. Okay, okay, thank you.

They're in there. All right, thanks. All right, anybody got any questions for Michael before we move on? All right, hearing none, we'll jump forward to Craig. Public Works Report.

Slurry seal, actually, I moved ahead one day, so it's going to start tomorrow. So we've been getting the roads ready for that, sweeping them. That will be sweeping the rest of them tomorrow. That will be done on Thursday, so we'll be wrapped up on that hopefully by Thursday. Once we get done sweeping, we're shorthanding some guys this week, so hopefully toward the end of the week we'll get that billboard light up. The guys painted it today, so that's painted because I wanted to seal that board up. Right. Any questions?

What's your thoughts on bad houses strategically located around town?

Bad houses?

Is that what we call them, Michelle?

Yeah, that's what we call ours.

I think they're a good thing. I do. Because, you know, with bats, you can't kill them. Right. You know, so they do work to get them on, you know, once you get them on your house, I get some bats. Stock signs I have. They're all for bats.

I wonder.

Stock signs for bats are good. And mosquitoes.

Yeah, they do eat a lot of bugs. They do.

There's probably like 10,000 mosquitoes a night, each one.

Really? There's some residents that need bat houses on their homes, then.

No, I guess I, we've actually put one in our place up in Clinton, Minnesota.

So, I wonder if we should do a little, let's do a little checking into that and see. Now, are they, do they look like, you know, when they have Martin houses and some of that stuff? You can have all different kinds. Ours just are straight.

Why is this coming up? And they hang in our house.

There's a lot of bats in town.

Okay, so we're trying to home them?

Well, yeah, you're kind of giving them a place. So that they're not in your house. So they're not in your house. So they're not in your home.

I just missed the, like, I didn't know it was.

Usually they're pretty thin. You rough up the insides, they crawl up inside, and then they just hang up inside. Put them in the parks?

Well, we could strategically locate them in some spots.

We have them up in our trees, so you can't even see them.

Yeah.

Like, they just match the tree, you know.

Are we encouraging more to come?

I don't think you'll probably encourage any more to come. I think it's just...

I'm just asking what people are going to ask.

So the city hall, we had bats in here, so we had them come through, and it takes about, you've got to let them get out, they can't get back in, and once you get them where you don't have them anymore, then you've got to seal everything up tight. We did the same thing at the Gage House, so they have to relocate, so they move to the next house or place.

And I was joking about the Methodist Church, but I wasn't, because they had a lot of them, I guess, some people in the area said, We've seen some property owners have an influx of pets because they can't hang out at the church anymore. Right. So hang out at the church.

Just a thought.

I think maybe we should do a little research on it and let's see if we... Craig, you know, in the boulevard trees, are they tough to keep? Here's what I'm getting at, because we're talking about trees by that side on 38 by the Hartford thing, and that looks pretty, to me it looks pretty gravelly and dry there, and I'm just wondering how we would keep the trees watered if we had trees there.

Yeah, the gravel's only about four inches thick. That'll be scraped back when they do the landscaping. The dirt underneath should be pretty much natural dirt when we dump that mine in. They'll put back, fill back in the dirt that they took out for that forest main.

But as far as water, there's so much water in the area there.

Well, we'd end up having to haul it with a truck. We'd just bring a truck out there and set it up. We've got it set up where we can run. Because even in the ball fields over to the creek, we don't have water there. So we brought the truck over. We hook up a fire pump and get that going. It can be done, it's just more work.

Can't just take a sprinkler line off the loaf station there?

Flooded a couple times.

Probably not. Good idea. What's that smell? It's not chickens.

Thank you for fixing that water thing. And you guys went out that fast.

Yeah, Jess had that on his list, but we just haven't edited it. No, you guys did it super fast. Of course, when we patched, it was about 100 degree days, but we ran out of time. We had to get it done before we used the reseal, so we just dropped everything else, and of course, it is.

Thank you.

All right, anything else for Craig? And lights, you say this week?

I'm hoping.

I shouldn't write that down like this.

I wouldn't write it down because I've got a funeral I'm going to on Friday. I won't write it down. If we do get it done, it's going to be Thursday because he's got to sweep all day tomorrow. Just stay ahead of the slurry. And like I said, we're shorthanded too.

All right. The days are getting shorter, you know. I know.

Since I missed meetings, I'm going backwards. But are we just landscaping the one Hartford sign?

Yeah, because basically we're doing two things. We're covering, putting some landscaping around our lift station out there, plus that sign.

That's what I was looking at, but there's nothing around the lift station.

No.

Yeah, there will be. That's going to be included with this deal, kind of. Your eye will be drawn to the natural vegetation, and you won't even realize there's a lift station there.

That's what we're doing. Wow. Your eye will be dropped.

I hope us guys don't forget it, Sarah. We've got to check it once in a while.

Let me be more specific. Stay on the road. We're not addressing the other two signs for landscaping.

Yeah. Not yet. Not yet. This goes well, maybe. Yeah.

Oh, the perils of landscaping.

Yeah.

There is some dissension on the court for that. It's not cheap.

Yeah, it's not cheap. People are pulling petitions.

Yeah. All right. Okay. Anything else? Cindy, anything else that you want to go back to? Nope. I'm giving you a chance. Nope. All right. Let's move to Karen's report.

My report's in the packet. I do have one update to the date to deadline to file petitions. And I emailed you that have pulled petitions. I got an updated election calendar from the state. And they had an incorrect date of Tuesday the 25th, and it's a week earlier than Tuesday the 18th.

Is when they're?

When they're due in this office by 5 o'clock.

By when? In July? August. August. August 18th.

August 18th.

August 18th. Okay. That affects Travis and Daryl and Keith.

And me.

And Sandy. Sandy. Oh, you've already got your paperwork, too?

Yes, blank at the moment, but I've got it.

Okay. I don't know, Karen, if this question's for you or for Teresa. I jotted it down. I should have asked it when we were going through the bills. So the $51,000 for Continental Western Group for Add Swenson Parkside and wastewater treatment, is that through our insurer that does the rest of the city stuff, or is that a set? but they're the carrier for that portion. We probably have somebody else insure the rest of the town, or are we insured? Continental Western is everything.

Okay.

Continental Western is the insurer, but is this our whole insurance, or is this just to add those two?

It's just to add the plant. What?

Wow. $220 to have the plant and $50,000 to have the sign at the sports complex. Is that how that breaks?

I didn't see that in there, but yeah. Okay. That was my only question.

Yeah, I was pretty shocked, too, when I got that bill.

Wow. Is there a discount for paying in full?

We pay in full.

Yeah, right.

So there is a discount, probably. Yeah. Okay. All right, anybody else got any questions for Karen about that? I remember my Craig question. Okay, can we go back to Craig?

Pickleball court, when will that be ready to play?

He's waiting on me. We're working on our sponsorship to get the correct logo. Pickleball court, if we don't get a sponsor.

If we don't get a sponsor, we're actually, next week, we're going to get that fence up. So then I got rescheduled. He was going to try and be up here in the middle of this month, but I postponed him to 30 seconds.

What if we just put something on the fence and not on the court? What's that? What if we just put something on the fence and not on the court? We could, but do you have any time? Yeah. Pump the brakes for a second. I mean, there's people calling me.

The fence, well, I think it takes a lot, but the fence, all the posts are up and everything, we're able to take one. But we'll be putting that up higher in the painting, but like I said, the painting has to lay in, so I've pushed this off to get all this stuff done, so it kind of bumps around a bit.

What's the trickle of the pickle?

As soon as we figure out the colors and we will get them scheduled to get here.

We don't want to match the colors of the other court. It could be, okay, I'll be quiet now. And then somebody made a comment, does the wastewater treatment facility run autonomously? Because nobody ever sees any vehicles out there. And I said, I think they just pull in and close the garage door. Yeah.

We're up there a lot.

I know you are. It's all that time.

So like this week, Jess is gone. So like in the mornings, I'll go over there and do all the testing. I'll start to press up. And then I usually get out about like 11 o'clock today. This morning, I got out of there. And then I stopped after our class today and shut the press down and wrapped that all up. Oh, OK. We're not staying there. We go back and forth.

This person just said, I've never seen a vehicle out there. And I was just like, well, I know they're out there.

Saturday and Sunday, too, we swing out there.

Okay, okay, great.

Every day there's something.

We paid extra for the autonomous feature. All right. Thanks. We can just park a pickup outside his home. There's always somebody out there. You can't win. All right.

Anything else now for Craig or Karen? We'll add them up both together.

Good luck, Teresa.

All right. Let's move to Teresa's report.

I don't have too much for updates other than what's in my report. Just a couple things to point out. I don't know if you all saw the email that I sent late this afternoon, but I opened up the mail today, and unfortunately there was a letter from the GFMP, and we did not get the grant for the trail going up to the sports complex. Basically, it was a standard letter of sorry, just limited funds and a lot of applicants. We encourage you to apply again next year. Nothing more specific than that. So I'm sure we will take a look at it again next year, maybe some other grants for it. We'll talk with the park and rec board, but just got that today afternoon, so unfortunately. And I've been updating you guys on this, but today we did have all our staff, we split up our staff and went in and had cybersecurity training. The Tupols, the DSU, and Homeland Security put it on. I thought it was pretty good training. It centered around a lot of, you know, emails on what to watch for and what to open, what not to open, kind of give you little tidbits of what to look for. A lot of, you know, phishing scams and different kind of scams. Talk about passwords and what's the best ones and how they should be set up and kind of give you some tidbits on that too and different things about... kind of that whole cyber security up just to be proactive on, you know, kind of protecting ourselves. So everyone that's on a computer, which is most all our staff except I think Terry, has gone through the training now. It was recommended in one of our reports for cyber security. So we've done that. I've kind of made some now it's in plan too. is we plan to at our next staff meeting review that again with the full staff and just remind them about the passwords and different things we're doing so that went well um one other thing the um one just mentioned quickly the mayor and i got an email from brent hoffman him and Rick Bonander is running for the County Commission and so they were interested wanting to meet with the mayor maybe myself and maybe one or two council people at the end of August wasn't it yes I remember right yeah so you know, if you'll reach out to them, if anybody's interested in maybe sitting down with them, gathering, we can kind of coordinate it, who's interested.

Yeah, if anybody has any interest, we'll sure line that up. I think the timing is, pertinent. There's three spots up for county commission with Todd's comments about the ambulance deal. It'd really be nice to get a feel and see what these guys, what their thoughts are on that because that's what intrigued me to move it forward is that maybe this is a chance for us to find out what they're thinking.

So I would imagine maybe toward the end of this month or weekend try to reach out to everybody, see who's interested and see what times or days they're thinking and

We just want to stay under a quorum so we don't have to worry about that.

Yes, definitely. Otherwise, that's all I just really have other than what's in my report.

Any questions? We talked about this a little bit. I think I sent you a note. We need to get our golf cart tour of the ponds and other locations set up. We're going to do that again. So let's start thinking about some dates, maybe in early August. Will you have your stuff ready for us, Michael? I'd expect we can do that, yeah. Because we want to go look at the ponds. We want to drive around. It would be a good chance to go and drive.

It's fun.

Oh, it's really fun. Yeah, besides that, it's fun.

Last time we did it, are we thinking doing it before a council meeting again like we did last time?

No, let's just pick a night so we can just drive around all night. All right. You know, we might as well just drive around. We'll just drive around. We'll take our lawyer. We'll do this. I think we're going to have to do it as a meeting. I mean, that's what we did last time.

Yeah, we did it last time because we all went. Yeah, we invited the park board.

I think we invited PNC.

Yeah. We did invite him last time. Yeah. A couple members, so it was all the boards.

I mean, we'll take Kyle along if he's back from Disney, you know. Or Orlando, that's right. Same, same. So yeah, we should get, maybe send out a couple possible dates. Maybe a, I don't know what works good for people.

I'll touch base with you, see when you're available. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And send out some dates and times. Okay. Okay. I'm done with vacations.

I'm currently there. I'll be with the county commissioner candidates. Okay, I think I got everything checked off. All right, anything else for Teresa? If not, we're going to move to new business. I believe that's the reason that our deputy is getting stuck around because we are going to review, discuss possible motorized scooter ordinances. So we talked about this earlier this spring and really just kind of Set it aside, we didn't make a decision to move forward. We had an incident in town where we had a young person ran at an intersection, if I'm not mistaken, and was hit by a car. We sure don't want that to happen, and we sure don't want it to get any worse. So I think it's time to talk about it. Deputy Wall has said to Teresa and myself that HE FEELS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT, SO HE HAS SOME ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. DEPUTY, I'LL LET YOU THROW ANYTHING ELSE OUT THAT YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH, SURE, THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY HAS THE the ability to create, there are ordinances on this. There have, I've looked at multiple other cities in the state with this deal. There's some pretty good ones, but other jurisdictions, the county here has a, I think it's the best. It's simple. It gets the point, and it gives me a little more ability to enforce something when these kids are doing things that they've been doing on these things, starting out in the road, running stop signs, things like that. There's a few things I'd like to talk about. It's the age of the kids that are riding these things. Without being... Without having a driver's license, these kids don't know what these traffic signs mean. So I'd say anything under 14 years of age, you can't ride them on the road once. I'd say that would be a good start. 14 years old, kids should... be a little smarter with what they're doing at that age compared to a 10-year-old or a 9-year-old that just gets it out of the box and parents say, this is how you go, this is how you stop kind of thing. 14 years old, I would say a good one would only be ridden on sidewalks. If there's no sidewalk, they have to be right up next to the curb and going slow or walking them. When crossing the road, anyone under 14 needs to stop completely before entering an intersection. Make sure there's no cars coming before they proceed through, whether it's stop sign or not. Anyone under 14, anyone under 18 should be wearing a helmet on this end. It's another good one that I'm gonna read on.

On the roadway or anytime?

I would say anytime they're on the sidewalk or the roadway would be, if they're under 18 years old, they should be wearing a helmet. Big thing would be roadway. If they're on the sidewalk and they're riding slow, they have to yield to pedestrians as well. That would be another big one on the sidewalks. But yeah, the helmet thing, I believe just as with anything under the age of 18, you're still a juvenile and safety is a big thing with these these kids so i highly agree with that as a motorcycle rider i mean you have a minor on i've never seen a little kid with a helmet on well that's so that's the that's the big thing right is uh you can tell them a million times that you gotta do it there's always gonna be the kids that don't do it um i do see a few kids around town that do have them on but 90 of them are cruising way too fast they don't have helmets on and uh i don't believe the incident that we had i don't believe he was wearing a helmet he's very lucky on that um Big one here, only have one person on the scooter. Right now, the way that the law is written, there's nothing that says there can be one, there can be one, there can be two, there can be three, there can be four. So I would say that would be a big one for just a safety reason. We don't want any more than one person on those. They're not made for more than one. And not to be driven in excess of 15 miles an hour. And that's where a lot of these entry-level electric flip scooters go. They top out at about 15 miles an hour, unless you go buy the more expensive ones that can start getting into the 20s and 30s. For 14 years or older, they can be driven on sidewalks or streets. They have to yield to a lot of different Traffic and pedestrians on the roadways, same things as under 14. The only difference of this would be it may not exceed the speed that applies to the streets. So these kids would be able to ride maybe the ones that go a little faster or the bigger ones that go and hit the 20 mile hour mark. I liked this and I talked to Teresa about this and some of the city staff members here at City Hall. No driving on the sidewalks or on Main Street, probably from second here down to at least first with the businesses right here. Even I walked out one day and a couple of girls were scooting out through and almost ran right into me because they're on the sidewalk. And there's businesses here where people are going in and out, and these kids on the scooters might smack right into one when they're leaving business. But I like that just with the way that Main Street is set up with the angled parking and people backing up, maybe not being able to see around the car or something like that. It would be better probably, I would say, to just ban the scooters on Main Street from second down to at least first.

We've seen them go down the middle of Main Street. It's hard to see them back there. It's so narrow. I just want to hit one at the door.

I think Jenny yelled at me that I should

Absolutely. That was, for me, it was the two girls that were cruising off and just had no idea. I mean, people could come walking out. So, that's another one. Obviously, requirements to obey traffic signals. That goes without saying, I think... be on the parents obviously a lot especially the kids that are under 14 years old if they have to be on the road where there's no sidewalk stopping at the stopping at all the intersections whether there's a stop sign or not i think would be a good one because these kids just go trucking on through and if somebody's not paying attention, I mean, all the drivers should be paying attention, but you know, like this last one we had, somebody wasn't and didn't know what he was supposed to do on the scooter and that's where that accident happened. Hours of operation. I like this one as well. 15 minutes after sunrise to 15 minutes prior to sunset. unless they have a headlamp or they have a headlight on them. Some of them have headlights and brake lights or tail lights on them. I'd say that would be the only way to ride them after sunset. I don't really like the after sunset on those anyways. I'm not trying to, you know, I don't think it would be super strict to tell them, hey, you know, for a bicycle you have to have a light on your bike after night. So I'd say that's a pretty good one there. And then you know for violations maybe it's on this one it's 25 for an ordinance violation in this chapter but i suppose that would be able to get schools fit but then the other big one is pedestrians have to right away so we just know that the these kids know that when people are walking you have to be extremely careful around them give them the right away or go around them slowly. But that's just a quick I really like a lot of those. I think it's simple. It gets right to the point and it's easy to teach kids like this is how this is going to work. Please get the conversation started.

You bet. I appreciate that. So any thoughts from the thoughts, comments from the Council, staff, Tom?

You know, I include bike trails and all of that as well. Yeah, I mean, however you guys see fit, I would say the bike trails, I haven't gotten a ton of complaints myself. I've seen a couple of the scooters going across, you know, No motorized vehicles on the trails. I've seen a few of them do that. I haven't gotten a ton of complaints myself personally on that, but I would say that these ones that are, I mean, 15 miles an hour where people are running in the mornings and things like that might be Might be a little fast.

We do already have an ordinance on our track system that doesn't allow motorized vehicles on the trails. Not specific to sidewalks.

Just those trails.

I think that's what I was looking at. We have electric scooters with plastic wheels, but we don't say that

yet this would be just for basically the ones that the kids are, are you talking about the...

I was just trying to look at what Teresa sent us is what we have on the books for our bike trails right now.

It says on bike trails they can be on electric scooters with plastic wheels.

But those ones that have the rubber or regular wheels, they can't ride on the bike trails. However you guys see fit with... If we're going to elect to do anything with these ornaments, yeah, I mean, I don't know what the difference would be, honestly, on the plastic or the rubber wheels on those. Right.

I think the plastic wheels are a lot, I visualize it as being a lot smaller. Smaller, right. But the rubberized ones, I know up and down Munt, have there, does it show that there are fewer accidents with the kids on the sidewalks? Because I know I look out, we don't have a sidewalk in front of our house, but if I look across the street, I see these kids screaming up and down Munt, and I'm trying to visualize them on the sidewalk across the street. Right. And I don't know if they're any safer.

And that's just, you know, I would have to look into that exact, you know, that specific deal there. But I know the one that we just had, I believe, was... Sidewalk just decided not to stop at the vehicle and just kept going down the sidewalk. So they weren't on the sidewalk? Yeah, he was on the sidewalk on that one. So that's what the big one for me is they just don't stop at these intersections. They just think they can go right down through.

I thought you had, thanks for providing a good policy, I think. Yes. But the question I had, probably more for Tom, is that if we don't have any policy, I'm looking for more of a liability problem because the problem seems to be pretty massive. I mean, there's a lot of kids, almost every kid I've seen instead of bikes around Newport, right? Correct. So... do we have to do like a massive shutdown of all this so the city isn't liable or do we not have, or are we better off not having a policy at all? Because I'm thinking more of a liability thing because it has to be strictly enforced, I would think, if there's going to be a policy.

It'd be like any traffic ordinance, though, I mean. The stop sign, you don't catch all of them that go through stop sign.

You've got laws on the books. I think you want to have an ordinance as opposed to a policy. There's something for law enforcement to say, we can impose a penalty against you for not complying with what regulations the city's put into place.

I just don't see how we prevent somebody from getting hurt. Even with the policy and What I'm saying is that someone's going to get hurt either with the policy or without. Which way is the city maybe less liable or are we better off either way from a legal standpoint? Well, I think you're certainly better off at least addressing it with an ordinance.

Okay.

you can't control whether people follow orders kids don't wear helmets on the bike when they should i would think that if we had an ordinance in place it would release us of supply that like we are saying here are the rules that need to be followed and if you don't do it

Then you're on your own. That's kind of a deterrence thing as well. You know, my thing is so the one in here that talks about one person on a scooter that we have right now, the way that the laws are written, I can't make a traffic stop. I can't stop these kids from simply just having three of them on there. Now these kids are riding down the road and they hit a rock and it sends all three of them flying at 15 miles an hour or whatever. Now we've got these kids are hurt and I just kind of stand there and say, well, shouldn't have done that. I don't have any way to... You know, whether I have to talk to you about, you know, if the parents could be liable at some point for something, making sure their kids know what they're supposed to know prior to taking these things down the streets. If that's up right now, they're just getting them out of the box and the parents say, you know, I'll see you later.

You know?

I think my only comment, I mean, we've talked about it before, and ambivalent i think um i don't know that it's going to make anything better it might make things more clear that's certainly i guess i don't know that it will change behavior i would say the one thing that i think would change these kids if i had importance where

Kids nowadays, they got a red-blue light behind them on these things. And I get all the time talking to them about, hey, you're violating the law here. You're violating our ordinance. Kids don't like getting stopped for doing anything. I'd say they don't necessarily need a fine or anything, especially a 10, 11-year-old kid. That's not going to do a whole lot. At the very least, I could get them, as of right now, like I said, I can't get them stopped for a lot of things that they're doing. You know, I can try to tell them to stop and maybe call parents. I've done that several times. That's the other thing, too, is some of the parents don't care to talk to me about their kids riding as crazy as they are. But it would give me something to stop them. And I mean... Like we talked about, it wouldn't be strictly enforced for that first, you know, say we did have an ordinance here. We passed a few ordinances. I would be getting after it pretty heavy. So like I said, I've already stopped up to the, I stopped at the park. In the middle school where these kids kind of congregate on these things, and I talk to them about, hey, you guys got to be careful on these because they're always riding two of them on there or three of them on there. I mean, they're going to do what they're going to do, but it would help me get the word out about safety. Because the last thing I want to do is show up to a dead kid on one of these things, you know.

I think too, I personally have seen a lot on social media in regards to what is the city doing? Why is this allowed? If we take the no action, you know, versus having an ordinance, at least it does show that as a city we are really interested in what happens to the youth and that we are trying our best to protect the children and community members, walkers, everything, but You know, is it going to solve the problem? Probably not 100%, but even if it brings it down 25%, that's 25% more than nothing.

I would say, yeah, it would be a good look. And like I said, this is, by all means, I mean, anything can be changed. I mean, this value adds the full...

authority on what they want and you can say there's no scooter in the city you know whatever you guys choose does the does the state um i'm a little bit outside what we're talking about here but for like bicycles yep are there a lot of state laws and if you don't know on the spot that's okay but i'm just so i'm just trying to think a little bit bigger picture like all of a sudden we have all these rules about scooters but vice is just a free-for-all

There's a lot of state laws on bikes, yes. We have to share the roadways. Vehicles have to share the roadways with bikes, but as far as like Friday night, they must have a headlight and at least a rear reflector where you can ride them. You can't ride them in the middle of the road and obstruct traffic.

I just wondered if we should kind of... We'll write some of this comparatively to some of that.

Sure. I mean, yeah. Like I said, this is just kind of a base, just maybe a starting point at some point. But, yeah.

Some of the, a little more research, some of the other cities do include, like, e-bikes under the electric. Correct. Or whatnot. Yeah. Like, from what I understand, there's a class one, class two, class three in e-bikes. The one and two kind of are similar to the scooter, are similar regulation. The class three are the ones that can really go fast and, you know, they're kind of more of a moped style.

So I think as we do this, we should look at our bike trails.

I said we include a definition include, not only the electric scooters, but maybe class one and two e-bikes. Yeah, we can just maybe have a definition to kind of hopefully maybe kind of Get that all under the same umbrella for as far as regulations. So we could try to draft something like that.

Well, that was really the plan tonight, to have some discussion, see what you guys thought. And if we're good with moving this forward, we would just direct Deputy Wall, Teresa, Tom to get together and start looking at putting something together for us to look at.

Is there anything specifically you do or don't want in the ordinance?

I know the helmet one's important, but boy, that's going to be... I will tell you a comment I heard this morning. We were at the pool and we see the kid go by with a helmet, and somebody actually said, hey, we should go find that kid and give him a coupon for a blizzard. Because it's so rare.

That's some of where I was going with what is the rules around bikes. Because if all of a sudden we have all these strict rules around scooters, then it's just like, you don't have to wear a helmet on bikes.

don't know that yeah i think we should just address electric devices and like i said have a definition that kind of puts yeah that umbrella under all types of kind of electric devices i think the big thing too with the scooters is that they go significantly faster than a bicycle with yeah with no effort from right from these kids you know on a bike they don't go faster than yeah

Not that it's not important to address that.

I agree. Yeah, and I would...

I got a bite.

I do see exactly what you're saying with, well, what about bites? These kids can go pretty bad. I do, yeah, 100%. No, and that's something that...

I feel the same way about ball courts, personally. I'm like, well, ball courts need to be another hole.

Like I said, it's just something to kind of, here's an idea. It's not the idea, obviously, but just something to look at, have on paper.

We could drag our feet. I mean, bicycles have been around for a long time, and most South Dakota regulations on bikes didn't go into effect until 1982. That's when bikes must have gotten really fast or something.

The technology is well ahead of the state laws.

All right, so moving this forward, are we... We really don't need a motion on this to have you guys move forward.

No, I think we'll just try to get together and draft something and present it to you guys.

All right with that? Yep.

Sweet. All right, thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yep, if you guys have anything, let me know if you want to say something or not add something in there. Yep.

All right, we'll leave you to discuss with our...

I mean, you mentioned Brandon, and I mean, if there's any direction that I could give you, that to me seems like a very common sense one. Not super complicated and easy for both parents and riders and any community member to quickly identify whether the kid on the scooter is legal or not.

Just my opinion. I think when we first talked about it, Brandon, I had a parent over there that has a kid who has a scooter. And she actually told me, she said, hey, they're not going to be able to enforce everything. But it gave us as parents, she said, at least their group, they set their kids down and said, hey, listen, you need to, you know,

All it takes is a couple traffic stops on a few kids and work it out that oh boy we're...

The Volga City Administrator said after they passed their ordinance, they kind of put together a nice little poster kind of just highlighting here the rules with pictures and stuff for them. They printed those, and then on the back was actually kind of the regulations for the parents. But they, at the beginning of the school year, asked the school to hand them out to all the kids and whatnot. They thought that kind of helped.

Oh, sure. That makes sense.

Plan on doing something with the school. Deputy Coleman is up at the school. The artists are all planning to get into school and Educating, you know, he did that last year. Yeah. But I'll be able to do that probably every year with these. Yeah.

Even maybe a mass email to the parents because not all the kids bring their stuff home to mom and dad, you know. But even work with the school so that they could send it home.

We can absolutely, yeah, I mean, we can get it out there. Like I said, I just don't want to go to a bad, a really, really bad day on one of these things. I hear you. Yeah.

All right, appreciate it. All right, thank you guys. Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, let's move on. Our next topic is review the cybersecurity, excuse me, reports and discuss follow-up measures. Teresa, I'll turn this one over to you.

So as you know, part of our kind of cybersecurity training into kind of, you know, overall assessment of the city, We've had two assessments, one was done by DSU with Secure SD, and then another one was done through Homeland Security, CISA did one. Pretty much came up with a lot of the same findings. They looked at a few different things. Both gave us reports on things that are good, what we need to work on, and things that we should probably implement. Those reports have been reviewed by me and RIT. We've gone through them. They both had suggestions on what to do. SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND CHANGED, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST SIMPLE I.T. CHANGES AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IN OUR SOFTWARE OR IN OUR SYSTEM OR WHATNOT. BUT THE THINGS THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON, THEY PUT TOGETHER A CHECKLIST, AND ALL THIS STUFF HAS BEEN PLACED IN YOUR COMPUTER BOX. OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE PUBLIC PACKET. WE DON'T WANT TO SHOW WHERE OUR VULNERABILITIES ARE. BUT THEY CAME UP WITH A CHECKLIST OF THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THROUGH THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. Obviously we're going to beef up some of our software as far as firewalls and stuff. We already have one in place just to do some more beefing up on a few things with some of our programs. Kind of beef up our email system. and those things will all be implemented. The good thing about the suggestions from these reports is that with this secure SD, they've got this grant from the federal government. They work with our IT provider and they cover the cost of it, kind of like I mentioned. So it was a great time to have these assessments done and to put these things in place. This is just kind of an updated discussion for you guys, but if you have any questions about it or any concerns with it, please let me know and I'll definitely talk with RIT if you think of things that should be doing that we're not doing, but ultimately our goal is once we get through all of our checklist items and get everything in place and implemented, we will be, you know, address all the things pointed out during both of our assessments.

Okay. What do you need from us tonight? Anything?

Basically, I don't need anything. Like I said, you know, the plans are in your packet. If there's anything, like I said, you have questions about or concerns about, let me know directly, and, you know, we can talk about it with our IT. But I think we're on a good path. Like I said, the training we all had, that was one of the recommendations in there, so we got that chucked off our list, and like I said, we'll be moving forward with a few other things, too.

Yeah, I mean, great timing to do it. All this grant money to pay for it, so. Definitely, yep, exactly.

We've got this program out there, so it's great timing to do it, and yeah.

All right. Okay, anything else? I don't have anything else on the list. Any reason we got to go to executive session?

So that was kind of the update on our segment. Oh, I see. The next agenda item is our cybersecurity plan. Now this I would like action on.

Motion to approve the proposed cybersecurity plan. Second. Second.

Almost like you guys think I missed something there.

I was deep in it. It's really good reading.

Yeah, it is.

All right.

So we have something that went crazy. I'm all of a sudden getting something happened to my computer.

We've got a vulnerability over here.

I don't think we do, but thank you. It's hard to address users.

Thank you for saying that. A file of mine decided to update.

Oh, right then? Yeah. Yeah, look at this. There's two. Yeah. Sorry, it says I have it.

Oh, that might be the thing we need to address with IT. We have the same issue. What's going on?

Something happened. You got the same thing? I have that earlier.

Yeah.

Anyway. All right. So we have a motion and a second to review, approve the proposed plan. Any other discussion? If not, we'll vote. Carlson? Yes. Madsen? Yes. Keel? Yes. Moracek? Yes. Schilling? Yes. Does that help you, Teresa?

Yes. Now let's go and check off another. We have plans in place. And as with all plans, we'll look at them each year. All right.

Yeah, I'm still getting that same message. I don't know what happened. All right, nothing to go into exact, I don't believe. Somebody want to make a motion to adjourn? So moved. And a second?

Second.

All in favor? Aye. All opposed?