Fiscal Court Committees - Regular Meeting

Before we start the meeting, I'd like to have a word of prayer.

Heavenly Father, just come to you today. Just ask you to just be with us in this meeting. Lead and guide and direct us. Father, ask the blessing upon all the county employees and their families. Be with all the committee people that's on all the committees. Just watch over them. Bless them. Be with all the department heads, Father. Just lead and guide and direct them. And Father, be with all the magistrates and their families. Lord, just help us be mindful of what we're here for and what we were called to do and just pray that you'd lead and guide us into that and be with Judge Tall and Bonnie and just ask you to bless Hardin County and Kentucky and the United States of America and just be mindful and thankful for the men and women that died for our freedom, and I pray that we never give up that freedom for anything, that we'll always have that freedom here in the United States. I ask all this in Jesus' name. Amen.

Okay, Stephanie's not here. Nobody reporting anything for her?

No. But we do have... Yes, please. Okay, yes.

So really, I mean, we've been progressing basically since the last time. I know we were talking about a lot more consistency as far as within the gas system. Still going strong there. We're now running three engines really pretty much around the clock.

So that's awesome to see quality of gas at 1% oxygen level or lower.

So really getting, I guess, the maximum output as far as electricity produced. So excited to see that. They mentioned that's approximately about 1,400 homes. So that's awesome that we're able to give that output consistently at this point. From just like a safety standpoint, compliance, no violations or anything this year or AOC concerns. Uh, things are running smoothly there. We did have, uh, I guess a piece of what do you call like a window that was on the residential boxes at the landfill when it was taken up the hill, went over a rock, a little small piece of it fell out of the top of the box. Um, there was a like a spark truck right here that scratched the paint on the truck. But no one was hurt or anything like that. Just kind of one of those more of a freak accident situations. But other than that, we really, you know, have done a lot of different initiatives just to really promote safety as a company as well. We had in May, it's called Safe May, which is engagement days, basically everybody on up in the company goes out and gets into the field and really gets to ride along with our team members, making sure that we're also recognizing them with safe catch cards, which is what you see in PowerPoint. That's one of our operators, Michael, giving a safe catch card for something that he was doing as far as for making sure he's got all his PPE. know really just wanted to continue to promote that and have it a safe place for not only the team members that work there but for anybody that comes uh then you know overall tonnage uh again this is the quarterly meeting so just kind of a powerpoint a little bit of a summary on how we've progressed so far this year uh as far as time is the daily tonnage is a little bit down uh 703 to 756. However, I will say that that number is as of June 13th. So with the, I guess, full month now behind us, it's actually a lot higher than that. We're sitting, the last three-month average was about 778 tons per day. So really in a good spot and really what's bringing down that number from an average standpoint was when we had the snow in January, February. So far, the last three months, we've really seen quite a bit of an uptake. We're continuing to try to find more opportunities to bring tundish to Pearl Hollow when we can. Then they want to kind of touch on just like the team, you know, a couple of photos of our team that we got there. We do currently have 17 members. I guess that would be eight now. We did have the laborer start for us this past Tuesday. We have an operator still in background. We're also still hiring one operator as well. So if there's anybody that you all have in mind as far as, you know, think would be a good candidate or to enjoy the work, by all means, us know we have a few uh people on our team that live within hardy county already so always looking forward to adding more people to the team what does an operator do yeah so uh the main piece of equipment that they'd be working with is uh dozers and kind of like a call it a packer uh really it's you know the pack the trash, condense it, rip it up, excavators. And then from time to time, you're going to be in potentially like a water truck, some smaller piece of equipment, skid steers, things like that. But for our heavy equipment operators, mainly, majority of the time, it's going to be your haul trucks, dozers, excavators.

Generally, we find a lot of people from construction because it's pretty similar.

And then lastly, just kind of want to talk a little bit more in depth about the gas system. So we had one, what we call gas expansion, where we added some new wells, re-drilled some wells that maybe got pinched and we weren't able to pull from them. We did that back, I believe, March slash April timeframe. Happy to say that we're doing another one just because we do feel like there's still quite a bit of gas to be tapped into as far as within there. And so that actually getting started this week, we're going to have another drilling crew on site and then the piping crew will come in. So the whole project process usually takes about a month. just to kind of get everything set up, make sure that we do the correct tie-ins for the system as a whole, make sure that we don't end up having plant shut off, shut down. But we'll be in communication with them on that throughout the process, so we're all on the same page. But, you know, really excited about that. In total, that's about $1.5 million as far as what we're expected to spend just on the gas system alone this year from the Republic side of things. So, and I will say, you know, normally as a company for a site, you're probably spending about 600,000 yearly. So, you know, we're definitely really invested in wanting to continue the improvements that we're already seeing within the gas system. Hopefully, you know,

capacity of how many engines can you have at that site? There's three right now.

Yeah, so they're permitted for five.

What they were telling some of this additional 1.5 million expansion.

That being probably you're gonna have to add another one or two

So that's the goal. We'll have to see once we get those wells online how much additional gas we're getting from them. But I guess the original focus is the flare is older. It's kind of towards the end of its useful life. So originally we kind of explored a continuous pilot, which basically just keeps the flare running, but at a really small amount of gas needed. However, that would be quite a bit of add ons and updates to a flare that you might not be using for much longer. So better option for us was to knowing that there's gas out there to tap in and just basically create enough gas to bypass the flare, keep the flare running, but still continue to push more to the engines. Right now, we have to bypass the flare in order to do three engines, which is fine. But if they have service that they need to work on and they have to take down an engine, then we have to start the flare back up. And so right now that's kind of where we're at, but we want to get it to where we don't even have to worry about bypassing the flare just in case they do have to do a service. The flare can continue to run and we can still continue to run at minimum three engines.

Is this the first time that you've had all three engines running for this long, as far as you know?

Yeah, I was going to say, for as long as I've been there, which is, I guess, a year now, it's definitely the first time for me. And when I was talking with Stephanie and everything like that, she couldn't remember a time where we'd had three engines running for more than a couple days and been doing that for probably close to a month.

Congratulations. I know that isn't a cheat. Uh, so it definitely speaks to efforts and, you know, the things that you guys are trying to do. So it's good to see.

Good. We appreciate everybody's patience and partnerships. Excited to see the results.

Thank you.

He's got one more page.

Oh, yeah. And, um, really with this, this kind of gives you a breakdown. I know within the contract, uh, throughout, I guess, 2029 when it ends, $10 million as far as investments to the site. So it gives you kind of a track on what we've already done as far as actual spend, as well as planned spend for this year, including that gas systems expansion spend, but also kind of currently the plans that we have to achieve the rest of the total number that we're supposed to hit. I will say, you know, the 2027, 2028, 2029 stuff can change, right, depending on kind of what the needs of the site are and what we're looking to do. But as of now, you know, we're looking at potentially going into creating a new cell in 2027. And just kind of like a little side note, I think it was slide five, if you look at that one, there's We call them two, the left and right finger, but really it's the two legs, so to say, kind of if you want to look at it that way. As of now, the cell we're looking at would be basically blasting in between them and then connecting them all together.

Good. It's good to see you have the plan here and that you're well on your way to meeting that goal, right? Thank you.

Mark, you got anything for us?

Adam?

Yes, sir. I got something for four. All right. So we've got a proposed text amendment. This would go to the Planning Commission next Tuesday. So this is a text amendment to the zoning ordinance. Four separate sections.

I'll work in reverse order, I guess, here.

So this would go to Planning Commission on Tuesday. And then I need to coordinate with Jenny to see if potentially a first reading could go to court on July 28. If not July 28, first reading that court would potentially be August 11. Jenny typically does the resolution that would go to court on these text men. So I just need to see what her and Dawn's town. She's on vacation. So yeah, we might be looking all it just needs to be. It needs to start the process with court within 60 days action. So again, it's four separate sections. You can see the change in verbiage there. Uh, language that's being removed is in red and struck through. I think there's one new word. It's in green. Um, so working in reverse order 15 dash eight was the procedure for non listed uses. So since 1995, if you came to planning and you had a use that was not in the zone, we had this in the ordinance that said, Okay, we go to the planning commission And the Planning Commission determines in what zone that use should occur and whether or not a conditional use permit is required. We did that from 95 up until 2021. And that was challenged in court. And Judge Easton ruled that That was illegal. That was essentially amending the ordinance without it going through Planning Commission and Fiscal Court. And so we had a court case that ruled that invalid. Ruled invalid, it's no longer valid, but it's still in the ordinance. So I need to take that out so some attorney doesn't try to say, wait a minute, it says right here in your ordinance that if I want to do something that's not listed, this is how we do it. So again, just removing those two paragraphs in their entire, uh, shouldn't be anything controversial there. A judge told us the other the other three are about meeting notification and more specifically on zone changes and on additional use. So since 95 applied for a zone change or a conditional use permit, we not only notify the adjacent property owners as state law says. But we also go 1200 ft of rope frontage in every direction. So, for instance, a zone change or a conditional use permit in downtown Glendale. That's probably where we have the most density.

I may end up notifying 100 people.

Two people may show. So with the rising cost in post I don't want to pass on these costs to the citizens. We polled 25 other jurisdictions that do planning and zoning in Kentucky. 18 of the 25 do exactly what state law says. Nothing more, nothing less. I think there was or is a benefit in doing more, but Our legal counsel says that's just another thing you could get sued on, and we've been sued on that before, that just mimics state law word for word. So that's what these other three text amendments are doing, is we would do away with that 1,200 foot. We would just notify the adjacent property owners on a zone change and on a conditional return. On a zone change, we're still posting signs. Still running an ad in the newspaper. Again, this is what Elizabethtown does. This is what Radcliffe does. This is what our legal counsel is suggesting. So if you'll check out, hopefully, there on both your TVs. In an effort, because again, in an effort to be transparent and still get this notice out there, When we developed our website a year or two ago, back COVID days, state law was changing to say, hey, you don't have to necessarily post a newspaper ad anymore. You can just put it on a website, and you run one newspaper ad forever that says, hey, here's where the notices are. We're still going to do the newspaper ad. We've got this button here, public notices, and then right here. Not only are my minutes, my agendas, everything posted on live. It's up to date, you know, every day. But three weeks prior to hearings, all these notices are going to be on my website. Three weeks ahead of a hearing. So people have ample opportunity. They know where to go. These were posted June 14th. So this is the first time we've done it. And again, we're going to continue to do it. But we just wanted to try to still go above and beyond so that the public is aware. And again, word of mouth, Facebook, word gets out. So we're going to continue to do this here regardless.

But those would essentially be the four text amendments to the zone. And this is something the Planning Commission discussed it.

late 2025, and then again earlier this year, and we kind of had a lull here where we just had one hearing on Tuesday night, so we said, hey, let's go ahead. I didn't want to print you all a book, but anybody that's interested in the relevant sections of state law, I can get you all that. But I'll have a resolution for the Planning Commission. Jenny won't have to reinvent the wheel. It's just a certain format she does. So I'll reach out to her and Don. July 28th may work for her. And, of course, we'll run an additional newspaper ad about the fiscal court here.

But if 7-28 doesn't work, it won't.

Thank you, Adam.

You're welcome.

Michael, you got anything for us?

Yes, sir.

I have one thing for, this is our MOA for our LARP roads that we put in for last year. So these are the, this is just the agreement for like the 80-20 LARP program. I think on the second page there, you'll see the list of roads that got approved by the state. That was pretty simple. And then I have something else here that I don't think this is going to be coming to court right away, but if all goes well, it will. This is a new program by the state, the grant pool program application.

So I've filled this out for the remainder of Middle Creek Road. If anybody's unaware of Middle Creek Road, it's off of Valley Creek Road, and it's a through road that transitions over into LaRue County. County.

Our county road department has been some some effort to upgrade some infrastructure out there. We've replaced several overturning the road, and we did a bridge deck in point 24, I think. And then the Rue County actually did a bridge deck on their end last year. Point point 526 fiscal year, I believe. So anyway, this is the application. As long as nobody has any objections, I'm going to submit this tomorrow or send this up tomorrow probably. I have photos and stuff that I didn't include in that. This is a justification letter. It is only a $100,000 match.

This...

format is provided off the state website for this application. And in the format, you can only fill in the blanks and it automatically does the math. The total of this project is about, per Scotty's estimate, is $280,000. It is only a match up to $100,000. So if we spend $200,000, they'll match us at $100,000. But something's wrong with their math. I called the I called the rural municipal aid office today and spoke with him, and he said there was something wrong with the format on their sheet, and they were aware of it. So the match is incorrect on there. The state would only award us up to $100,000 on this, so we would be at $180,000. He was supposed to get back with me if he wanted me to write that in and ink him, but I haven't heard back from him yet. He said just leave it the way it was for now. That was correct. Okay.

Okay. So the bottom line, it's a total $280,000 approximately.

And they're going to put in $100,000. And they will end up spending the other $100,000.

Correct. Okay. So with no objection to that, I will send that in tomorrow.

Anything else, Michael? Is this budgeted, $180,000? Yes, I have a mask full on.

No, sir. Anybody else got a question or comment?

Micah, I just want to thank you for filling in, taking care of everything, and you've been super when I've called you to jump on what I've asked you about, so I appreciate the job you're doing.

Thank

All right. We got John.

I have nothing for court this month.

Okay. Water County District 1.

Don't really have anything to update.

Probably the one we're starting on the quickest is Highway 361. Pretty much from 31W.

over to 3 13. We stopped this little short there, but we hope to start installing maybe mid next week. Any questions for him? Thank you. Water District two.

That same as Jim. A lot of the music venue 94% of the pipe is in. We're waiting on the boring contractor who's having a really rough go of it. We'll transition back to 251. We have the second phase, the samples cleared. We're going to continue on with the pipe instead of trying the services in. Just get all the line in. Just kind of speed that up. Leroy main replacement that is completed. Samples services. We have a couple services left, but most part that's complete. Just need yard restoration when the weather permits.

Contractors are going to start in Southern Hardin County in the next couple weeks. Getting their rock trencher headed this way. That's about all I got.

As Franklin Crossroads been finished up the dirt work. Yes, except for Winchester, where we left that off. Still need going through track. Services have been moved over. The old main is turned off. Just need that. Get across Jeffers Field.

Okay. All right. Thank you. Judge style. Got anything for us?

Yes. On here. It's got a couple things listed, uh, funding for the cardiac monitors. Uh, spoke with, uh, Mr Clam, and, uh, he has that on the finance meeting to discuss, uh, you know, make a decision on how we want to fund that the cardiac monitor so that that'll be next week.

Okay. Yeah. Uh, let's So any questions about that?

I was just curious of why it was even put on this agenda when we got an emergency service committee tomorrow.

Last time we met, there was some discussion about urgency, and it was suggested it might be talked about here, too.

I chaired it. Okay. Okay.

And we could, I mean, if we wanted, we could talk about it tomorrow.

Well, we recommended it to the Finance Committee, and that's the discussion we kind of had.

I think we've got time to talk about it later.

Yeah, I think we really want to try to get something decided by the end of this month, so we've got another meeting this month. So there's still time. And then, as far as the road humps for Colesburg Road, of course, those of Colesburg have been wanting to do something to slow folks down coming through the middle of Colesburg for a long time. And we've been studying this now for several months on different options to try to do that. and there's been some work out there where we've had some, all those strips.

The rumble strips.

Rumble strips, which there was, you know, they were happy about those, but not really.

Well, they weren't happy with the placement of them. They're placed near the railroad tracks, and they weren't happy with that.

Which took care of that one issue, but. Yeah, so there's still work to do here to see if we can come up with something. As you all know, we haven't, on county roads, we haven't utilized road humps for various reasons, or bumps or humps, either one. So anyway, still studying it, still looking at several different options. And next month, we'll see if we've got a solution.

Just to clarify for the room, on this subject, the issue is, and you've probably all been on Colesburg Road, the little strip of road where houses are right on top of the road. And there are, and John Ward has been out there and we've put out speed signs out there and monitored the traffic, I think for what, three weeks, Mark?

I think that's hard. One time. Two locations, one week. Almost a year later, two other locations.

For about three weeks, because I extended the... Now, we extended that last study. They left them out there. But anyway, and there is an issue, a speeding issue over there, and they have had an accident that involved a young boy because the road is so near to the house. And so I've been working with them for about a year and a half. possibly longer. And so this whole study and issue with trying to help the Colesburg community out with some kind of a rumble strip, which I think would have been okay, except they were installed by the railroad tracks, which doesn't really affect the center part of that road. But they would love to have speed bumps. They would like to have anything out there tomorrow. And so to say that we're going to maybe have something next month, right now they're in the middle, they're in the process. They have a petition that's signed by how many people? It's over 100 people. Because it has been such a long process. So I've got the responsibility to get back with them after this meeting tonight. to let them know what to expect, what they can expect. So here we have another month of study that I'm going to have to tell them we're going to study it for another month. Is that correct, Mark?

Yes, I'm saying it is. That's correct.

Okay. So what exactly are we studying?

There are some other options, and one of the options is to actually close the road.

And they're good with that?

Okay. And that is, there's a lot of things to take into consideration whenever you're going to close a section of the road, right? So there's emergency response.

Exactly.

Things like that. So we've started that process to evaluate some of those things and see what kind of impact that would have and whether that impact, which there would be an impact, whether that would be acceptable. uh, or not. And, uh, you know, so it's just a little more, uh, complicated than saying, Okay, now we're gonna go. And the other thing about speed humps is we have not used those anywhere on any county road. So if we start to use those, we better.

Well, here's the thing.

We had better be ready to either differentiate Colesburg in some way from the rest of the county or we're going to have a heck of a mess.

Well, let me just say this. They're not adamant about closing any roads because we all know that's probably not going to happen. Well, it's not really feasible. They don't have to have speed bumps. What they're asking for, and Mark, you know this very well, are rumble strips. in the center of the town, of that little strip of roadway, more centrally located to deter the speeders. That's what they're asking for. That's what this petition is about. And if you'll go back and read that petition, that's all they're asking for. We've already changed the signage, the speed, everything is good. They're happy with that.

The petition I saw said they were asking for homes.

Well, they're really wanting rumble strips.

This is the first I've heard of a rumble strip.

Well, I've got it documented. I can share it with you.

Yeah, I mean, like the equipment, the snow.

Well, that's the problem with the humps. Well, that's the issue with the humps. That's not practical. Right. And that's the issue. But if they can get the rumble strips, centrally located to the road, they will be satisfied with that. I just, you know, and I'm not, I'm not pointing the finger and I'm not trying to blame anybody for anything. I just don't understand why it has taken this long.

I mean, I'm trying to explain. So I think the rumble strips, that is a, I mean, we could put rumble strips are not that expensive. We can put them out there. The question is, they're probably not going to impact speed. People go just as fast over rumble strips as they can without them. So we can do it, and maybe it'll make everybody feel better, but will it actually have a positive impact? That's one of the concerns.

And I understand that. I sincerely understand that. But the citizens in that area feel like that it will have an impact. And that's what they've been asking for.

And I think that's a change. That was what I saw was house. Okay. That's a big difference between humps and from the streets.

Feedback off what the judge is talking about. We went to the whole thing with humps and bouldering and I was opposed to him 100%. And they went ahead and put him in. And a little bit later we ended up with a moratorium. No more humps. Get rid of the ones we got because there's a lot of issues with them that it's not just, you know, put these things in. But if it's rumble strips, we can add those. But we're real hesitant to add them because there's specific locations you want to put those in. Like those rumble strips we're talking about up next to the railroad tracks, there's a change of speed. And so anytime you've got something like that, you want to call attention to it. But there's some other signs we want to put in along that road. And we could have rumble strips to call attention to. But you don't want just a rumble strip to be out there. And the other side just heads up. Rumble strips are really loud when they're going across those things fast. And the biggest complaint you're going to get is 2 o'clock in the morning. I can't go to sleep. The thing's going off.

Well, this is the thing about that. And you and I have talked about this. Those folks know that. They know about the noise factor. They know that they're not going to get humps. They know that. They're asking for rumble strips to be placed more centrally on that road, not near the railroad tracks, although they're placed near the speed limit signs, okay? And I get that. But they're asking for them to be placed more centrally located, where the children are out playing in front of the yards. You know, that's what they're asking for.

So if there's any way that we could do that... We can add those where we have the pedestrians. We've got a warning sign there. We can put another pedestrian sign on the other approach, put them there. And any other places that we've got signs that are going up to call attention to things, that's really where we want them. Like an entry off of Battle Train Road, we can put a rumble strip there with a warning saying, hey, to reduce speed. Because part of the problem when you look at a site, you've got all these big higher speed roadways all connected to Colesburg. Everything's so much higher speed. So if you get on Colesburg, There's not a lot of attention to the speed limit other than one sign of one approach and another sign or another approach. So I can see why people just ignore a lot of them doing this and going down the road.

Well, my concern, my concern is, of course, that small strip of road. That's what I'm talking about. My concern is the short distance between the front door of a home and the road. and the side of the road, which is what, about 12, 15, 20 feet maybe? It's right there in the front yard, right there at the front door. My concern is another child being hit by a vehicle.

For sure.

And if there's anything that we can do and expedite, rumble strips. Anything at all that we can do?

Okay, so we'll look at rumble strips now and see if there's something that we can do there. We were focused on possibility of speed humps and closing the road down. We're not looking at rumble strips. The county has none. The county has none.

Okay, I know we will definitely look at that. I take this seriously.

And and it's very serious. We had an accident there. That's right.

And we had a child that was hit.

Yeah. So we will have to look at rumble strips and be in contact. Mark, look at the possibilities of getting that. Thank you.

I will. I will get back with folks and let them know.

Yes, we'll look at it. That's all.

I mean, you know, something needs to be done. Attention needs to be paid to this safety issue. All right. Thank you.

That's all I have.

Thank you, Judge.

Is there any recommendations we need to consider for physical court other than what we've already talked about?

From the minutes. Yeah. Other than those.

Any new items? Final comments.

Everybody's good.

Maybe I shouldn't. Yeah, I'm going to say this.

We need to be very careful about what liabilities we open ourselves up to with people assuming that a rumble script may prevent something, and then it doesn't. I just question it.

I totally agree with that. We're not promising them anything other than...

that if we bring this about, there will be others who will get in line.

And maybe they need to.

Well, again, look at safety and liability.

It's my admonition.

Yes. How many areas do we have rumble strips?

You just called attention. Only one other one that I know of on Decker School Road. It used to be at the 220 intersection before 361. And then I believe when they built 361, the state put some at the 361 stop sign. But like Mark said, those rumble strips call attention to the warning signs. They call attention to a speed advisory. They aren't just out there wherever.

I realize that. I realize that I'm trying to do and I'm just trying to be an advocate for the folks that live on that road that are concerned about the safety of their their families.

I would say to maintain them adequately probably looking at a, you know, maybe a biannual or make three years probably max that for them to actually have their full effectiveness.

It takes a while for people to frames like did the changes be there in the study? We did the before and after study. It didn't make that much of a difference from that. And it takes a while for these people to get it through their brains. This is a change of environment. Even stop signs. When we first put up stop signs, you're going to see a billion people running that thing. They just don't recognize it. And we'll call cops out there. We'll ask them to sit and watch it. And they'll give warnings and stuff like that. But there's a lot of change to, like we talked about before, a lot of traffic in psychology. Just getting people to pay attention. You know, and it makes it worse on these phones now because I think Fred.

Yes, every meeting.

But I don't want to dismiss the possibility of closing the road down. You can't take somebody's road frontage.

You can't take the value of their property.

Not road frontage. I'm talking about shutting the road down.

Like disconnecting two heads. two halves of the road, right? So all those laws are pre existing, non conforming. So for us to obtain additional right away for the cul-de-sac on both ends of this closed road somewhere there, there's going to be a gap closed. We've now taken those people's frontage, but none of those properties can get smaller, not to mention survey work involved and that we're having that right of way It kind of depends on where you're going to close it, right?

Well, this is something that came up new.

I just learned about this on Monday. I told Mark, like, X, Y, Z, A, B, C, D, here's all the legal issues to try to close that road. I guess you've got the churches on one side, so there might be some ground in play there and do some kind of offset design. But as Patsy's saying, that other side of the road, it's all real, real small lots with houses, right?

So you think it may not even be... You may not be able to even have enough space to put the cul... You've got to have a cul-de-sac, right? Yeah, we can't create it in rows.

On both ends of it. Our ground numbers, we're getting on a cul-de-sac right now. Will Harris has been one over here on a cul-de-sac. It's like... Now we might be able to shave some of that off.

I'm just asking that after a year and a half looking at this problem that we just maybe move forward with some kind of resolution, something to help these folks.

I have another question in regards to the situation. Does it boil down to that people are totally disregarding the speed limit?

Yes, that's some of the issue. That's some of the issue.

There needs to be enforcement and first penalties.

Well, we've had the Sheriff Ward has had deputies posted out there.

When people break the law, there should be consequences.

And there have been some, you know, some enforcement on that. And it can't do that every day, every week, every month. So as soon as the coast is clear.

Yeah.

So, you know, is there going to be a solution that eliminates the whole issue? No, probably not. But what we can do is do our best to try to help deter an accident.

What's the speed times that'll do lights when you're speeding?

of those well we've got those signs that but we don't have them internally i would love to have at least one of those but i did get set up with the state we borrowed one for this yes and we handed that over to sure thank you they have to renew that every year if you want i can reach out to them again we can even see how much those things are for you if you're talking about the permanent ones Those are pretty expensive, and if they get hit, they're pretty much just shattered. And it's what we talk about with the police and what we're into, is a lot of just ordinary people driving along, they may not even see that first sign. It's that second sign. Sometimes it helps, but you don't want a million of these things on the road. Speed limit signs. Those flashers, they can have an effect on people because you're calling attention to that person. And we've been talking with Sheriff Ward about probably trying to get permanent ones of those so they can rotate those out. With Bowling Green, we've got that as part of our rotation system where we use those flashing trailers and stuff. You know, what's nice on those, they actually collect data. So you can pull that off your Bluetooth, put it onto the system, You'll see what feeding conditions there are. And just to give you a heads up, this radar study that did, one of the studies had three people over 50 miles an hour. Another one had one over 50 miles an hour. And the average for this rover, 85th percentile, is around 20-something miles an hour. That's pretty good for...

It is good, but it's those few... And the highest speed was 72 miles an hour.

There are some speeders. Free people are going through there. And those houses are so close.

Regardless of what you do, there's always going to be those.

I don't care what you do. Put a speed bump. Those people will ignore those rumble scripts or whatever.

Those same people. That's the thing. 60 miles an hour, 150 miles, 15 miles an hour, no matter what you put out there, they're probably still going to do it. And so it's hard to figure out how, that's why I really wanted, that's why I was taking some time, is I'd like to close the road down because that would stop the traffic, period. That would end the issue.

It would end the issue, but I, and like Adam said, you know, I don't think that's going to be feasible. I don't think that's going to be...

This is new information that we hadn't really gone to. We were just looking and talking to some people down there and seeing even if people really would want that.

Well, I now have talked to the people in that area, and there are a few that would be fine with it, but I don't think we are going to be able to do that. And since we're not going to be able to do that, is that correct, Adam, to the best of your knowledge?

Yes. Are you sure that we can't?

Anything's possible. So, yeah. Could there potentially be enough ground over there where there's two churches, correct? Or I guess the one church. There's a Catholic church and there's a Baptist church. Survey work alone, cost of constructing two cul-de-sacs, and not to mention we've got to buy that right-of-way from the church. couldn't leave a gap in there where someone now doesn't have.

And so maybe there is a gap where there's not a house and we can make it work. I mean, the churches may give us the land. I mean, there's a lot of things that we haven't got that far yet. That's why I kept saying, I'd still want to research this more because we really just got into this whole thing in the last several months.

So, and we'll just put this back on the agenda for next month.

Yeah, we'll look at, We'll have more answers about that.

And then you can update us.

Sure. It could be a little less based on government pricing. Yeah, I mean, probably.

But that again brings up what you said. You would have to warrant what specific condition allowed us to make

The sad fact is people who are in that situation know they're there and there must be an extreme amount of caution on their part and they must be very vigilant for those people who are putting them in danger.

Absolutely.

And if I had a child there, I would be probably the worst of all.

And that is why.

On behalf of the child who was hurt.

And that is why that we've been working on this and I'm trying to help them. That's why.

Practical, workable solutions. Facts.

And I'm hoping that Judge Tall and Mark and the road department can get their heads together and come up with a practical, affordable solution that will help those folks. We'll see.

Just a heads up, too, on that studies, we're redoing the format so I can follow some of the stuff easier. And on that format, if we do it a certain way on the readouts, I can tell you about what time of day those readers are going through. When we did these studies, I let the police know, this is your window of opportunity. Go out, watch them. Because right now, if they sit out there, 90% of the drivers are not going to be going in monstrous speed. If they see them, they're definitely not going to be. But if you can figure out that target window, you can kind of prevent a lot of stuff.

So it looks like Colesburg Baptist is about the only property that's large enough to give away. Right. We'll look at it.

That's all I ask. Thank you.

Anything else? No. 421, we adjourn.