County Council - Regular Meeting

I call the July 8, 2026 meeting to order. We're going to do a pledge of allegiance, followed by a moment of silence.

Glasses on again.

All right. First on the agenda at 8 a.m. is the public hearing 2026 public hearing. And the first one up in the public hearing is the 2026 GEO bond of six point eight million. I open the public hearing to the public frame by once wishes to speak. Anybody on the council on the GEO bond? And I hear anything, I close the public hearing for the GEO bond of 2026 for six point million. and we'll entertain any type of motion or discussion. I'll move we pass the bond.

Second.

All right. I will stall for a brief second here. So Mr. Fiske, take a seat. yes it's uh all right so i have a motion and a second for the 2026 geo bond 6.8 million dollars all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed same sign motion carries next up on the public uh hearing our additional appropriations first up is fund 1207 the unsafe building fund in the amount of twenty eight thousand i'm sorry scratch it twenty nine thousand eight hundred twenty six dollars they opened the public hearing for anybody from the public to speak

anybody from the council all right not hearing anything i i closed the public hearing on fund 1207 we'll entertain a motion making a motion to approve the amount of twenty nine thousand eight hundred and twenty six dollars from fund 1207.312 for building department contractual services i'll second

All right, I have a motion and a second on the table for fund 1207 in the amount of $29,826. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Next up is fund 2501, drug court in the amount of $3,500. I open the public hearing. Anybody want to say anything? All right. Anybody from the council? I close the public hearing and we'll entertain a motion.

I'll make a motion to approve a fine item for drug court 2501 for $3,500. Second.

All right. I have a motion and a second to approve fund 2501 drug court in the amount of $3,500. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Next up on the public hearing, fund... 40-40 drug court donations in the amount of $288.91. I open the public hearing for any public comment. Anything from the council? All right, I close the public hearing on fund 40-40 and I'll entertain a motion.

Move we allow fund 40-40 drug court donations $288.91. I'll second.

those in favor say aye aye aye any opposed same sign motion carries next up fund 9118 hancock county community foundation the amount of two thousand dollars i open the public hearing anybody from the public anyone from the council all right i close the public hearing and entertain a motion motion to approve two thousand dollars fund nine one one eight

Second.

All right, I have a motion and a second to approve the Hancock County Community Foundation Fund 9118 in the amount of $2,000. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. And the final one we have for public hearing today is Fund 9127, which is the Juvenile IDOC Grant in the amount of $80,810. I open to public hearing for any public comment. Anyone from the council? All right, I'll close the public hearing and entertain a motion.

Okay, I'll make a motion to approve the additional for juvenile IDOC grant. Do you want me to read those individually or the total? Just the total is fine. Okay. For $116,000.

Oh, no, it's 80.

Oh, 80. Okay, sorry. I went too low.

The total today is $116,000.

Yeah, $80,810.

Second. All right, I have a motion and a second for fund 9127 juvenile IDOC grant in the amount of $80,810. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. And that will conclude our 8 a.m. public hearing items. Yes.

I'm sorry, Lisa, maybe I missed it. Did I sleep during the additional appropriation public hearing?

The first.

Okay.

But then I'm going to. I'm going to ask to make sure the two ordinances are adopted on the record, but maybe that's the time.

No, we did all the appropriations. If that was a question.

Additional appropriation for the bond.

Oh yeah, those we voted on the bond on the bond, but didn't vote on the additional appropriation for the bond. That's OK.

They were introduced last month, OK?

Yeah, real quick. We're trying to be fast today.

I know you are. Before you get to your heavy lift, I just want to make sure you did hold the public hearing on the GEO bond appropriation. That's fine. There are two ordinances I need to make sure are approved on the record. The appropriation ordinance is 2026-6B. And then the GEO bond ordinance, again, both were introduced on June 10th, is 2026-6A. So those are the only actions. I just need to make sure you approve those on the record, and then we can move forward with the other items on the GEO.

Do they require separate motions?

Yes, since they're two different bonds. We'll have to do a public hearing for it then. I think that's what it says, public hearing for additional appropriations. No one's going to say anything. I opened a public hearing for any comment on these items.

All right, not hearing.

I closed the public hearing. All right.

Yeah.

oh uh we just need uh i need a motion and a vote on 2026 to approve ordinance 2026-6a and and then do a separate one for six feet correct motion to approve orders

Second. You're good. All right, which one did you ask? I did B.

You did B first?

Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve ordinance 2026-6B. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. All right, there's another motion to be made.

I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 2026-6A. Second.

I have a motion and a second to approve ordinance number 2026-6A regarding the GO bond. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you. Yep, you're welcome. All right, next up is 8.15 AM, the council discussions on the 2027 budget requests. And I'll turn it over to Jim. Oh, and Keeley.

You take it away. Keeley, yeah.

Back up. First of all, what we asked the department heads to do, and I'm reading it right from the letter. In the 2017 budget, the following raises are proposed. No new position requests in 2027. 9% increase in group insurance. 3%. increase for full-time employees three percent increase for elected officials and department heads and fifteen hundred dollars only for the part-time elected officials and department heads and also just to remind us that we've in this budget that we're approving today there are five new courthouse officers in there and two jail navigators that were not in the 2026 budget and that's in this budget and we targeted for a general fund increase uh of a million dollars and the requests are 1.8 million and uh the other fund that looked kind of off At least to us was the cap request at 3.2Million and the income coming into that fund is about 2Million I think per year. So, that 1.

Can you repeat I was writing it down can you repeat on the cap the request versus the 3.2Million 2. Versus 2 of income.

Yeah.

yeah jim and i did go through the budget we did reach out with questions and meet in person or by phone with multiple department heads for some clarifications um and again just looking for opportunities we really feel like we need to get this budget down in the general fund something close to 800 000 to be on target i don't know if everybody looked at the sustainability the last sustainability that came out it was much improved to the april version after greg added in the pennies from heaven as he calls it the supplemental income tax but it does still show the general fund being depleted you know notably over the next handful of years if we were to approve everything And so as we go through departments, we are looking for ways to, you know, bring this down $800,000.

Keep in mind that in the 27 budget and the sustainability we have about 4.3 million of interest income. Which is about relevant to what we 4.3

to kent it's a big question mark ask today and they'll tell you they're going up and ask tomorrow and they'll tell you rates are going down so it's very hard to yes yeah Did anyone have, while we have the time, anything that jumped out at them that they wanted to talk to council about the budget before we?

I think every, for me, almost every department, I had like one that I was like, why are they raising the budget, this line item by 100% or 50% or 200% or 5,000% or whatever crazy percent. And it seemed like almost every department had one item like, that we may have cut last year um that now they're like oh we need this increased tenfold and you're like whoa you know like what what went wrong what happened i know this sounds contrary to that but it it looked like it was better than the times before

I agree on non-personnel items. We usually see there was a lot of zero percent increases on things like supplies and some items like that. And so I was glad to see when I opened this book the first time how many zero percent increases. Now, they were relatively small line items. Personnel is obviously our greatest cost. And we can still look at cutting some of those small lines where we see that we did expend less than last year, but honestly, in a line where they put 0% increase and didn't spend it all, we've tried in the past and it's hard to knock $800,000 off $1,000 at a time. And so we might have to make some bigger decisions to come up with that.

I guess some other general comments. The state did release the growth quotient. It's 6%. But remember, Hancock County really enjoys a low tax rate of $2.07 in Greenfield. It's going to be the race to $3. When then basically what will happen is that there will be no more taxes to collect. They'll just be shuffling of taxes between entities. And so depending on the assessed valuation, I don't know if we know net AV yet. We probably don't.

I haven't received it yet.

Okay. You know, that could help push it down. But the 6% will come on top. And as I've always told you, you'll be lucky if you yield 4% of that. That's why we were staying with the increases we were talking about. But the race to $3 tax rate for property tax is on. income tax or total tax or property tax cap so our current is two dollars and seven cents or eight cents okay and so as the growth quotient comes in and av goes down because of homesteads you're going to see that tax rate start creeping up oh yeah okay and once it gets to three dollars there's no more cap loss right because there's no you know everybody's at three dollars one two three and so that's important to keep in mind it will not happen next year it will but the pressure will be on over the next couple of years probably simultaneous with the LIT

I did have one question coming into today for this this time period which was and I thought would help me throughout the day was I know in the past we've said no new hires is that is that the consensus here or are we just going to look at each each department and decide

I know for me, you know, we do have some departments that have funds, right, that fund them that are not the general fund. And I have looked at those individually because they have their own revenue stream on the general fund. And honestly, for me, it's more than anything about the sustainability of it. With SB1 coming down, I don't want to have to raise income taxes in the next couple of years for budgeting decisions that we make now that need covered. And so for the general fund, I'm still of the belief we should add no new positions this year and should wait and keep penciling out. Our must group hasn't even met yet. We haven't even met with the cities and towns. We haven't even begun to talk about that income tax rate. And we've done a lot of work in the last five years to get staffing up and pay up and be competitive. And so when it comes to the general fund, I'm personally not real supportive of adding to that because we did the five courthouse positions. I feel like that absorbed all of our capacity.

don't let jim speak for himself well the yeah i i agree with that but also if you're if if we're doing that it's sort of um from a fairness standpoint if you have your own fund i guess i kind of look at it as the same as the general if we're going to limit it in the general fund we ought to limit it i agree not every office has a fund that is self-funding and can

be manipulated around to fund things that they want to do so in fairness that they should not be able to have new hires just because they're self-funded or they have an opportunity to have income that they should be treated the same as the general fund employees and we've said we we want to first of all work with the employees that we have and make sure they're well paid and we keep them and i think in the beginning we talked about either a lower percentage of raise and then new hire possibilities or draw our line with the new hires and increase the percentage of phrase was that not a discussion that we had yeah we did talk about when we were deciding whether to tell department heads three percent right you know we thought we could we could meet that obligation if we didn't hire new people

I feel like having been an elected official before, I know what that's like, and I kind of feel like I'm not saying that I want any new employees. I'm just saying that I think we ought at least let the department heads or the elected officials present why they think they need that. Then we can say no.

But I think they've already presented it. I was going to say, is there any surprises that we don't know about? Because we know that the juvenile court's going to cause us some problems

Because I think that's been presented in the future to the some additional for that and.

I was trying to think other than the the jail positions of the people we've already turned down the. Planning Planning Commission. Who else was?

There was a request for a court manager, and it is worth noting that we were told that the cost of that person was split across the three courts' budgets, and it was not. One of them didn't have it at all. One of them had it, I think, in part-time. One of them had it. And then we were told here in a recent meeting that it looks like we are declined our request to the state for the state-funded juvenile magistrate. Uh, it doesn't look like that was the last I heard that it wasn't looking positive. We can ask that again today if that's gonna work out. Um. But the court manager position, when we get to talking about courts was the total cost of that is not even in the book, unless it's hidden in a line item where it wouldn't make sense.

Yeah, and Keely, if I would suggest, I totally agree with what you were saying. I would say property tax supported funds, income tax supported funds, and none, either of those, got to be careful with the non because they revert back if grants or things are lost yeah so the lit is going to have to support what it's going to have so i put them in three buckets and the third one is the one i get worried about because if they revert back they usually revert back to the general fund yeah and there's not a lot of excess left to be spoken for

In the non general.

Oh, you got my email on the must group thing, right? Pardon me? Did you get my email on the must group date type email I sent to you? Oh, when did you send it? Probably a couple weeks ago. Really? The state said that they recommend not do a meeting for a must group to at least August 20th. Correct. That's what I sent you. Oh, okay.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Okay, aware of that. That was my question. You know, it's going to make the after August 20th and September very, very fast and furious. Yeah. I think in Hendricks, what we're going to do is have our preliminary one before that. Okay. But then have another one after that rather than trying to cram a couple of them.

And then what AIC or one of the group, whatever group sent that they said they would like to be invited to those. Correct. Okay.

Okay. Correct. So it's in it's Keeley, Jim and yourself. And so, yeah, I would suggest that we still have one maybe in August here, a kind of group. and get our formation. I even have an agenda that we are putting together and stuff like that and then have it because what's going to be all telling for Greenfield is their income.

I went to one of their meetings. They've already came up to me and said, oh, when's the must group meeting? When's the must group meeting? They're all excited about it. Right. But yeah, and also for everybody up here to know, it's a public meeting and the state recommends that you all come and sit in the audience. Everybody's not up Not in the group.

Yeah. And Scott, I'm not aware of a date that we've set yet. Yeah, we haven't set a date. Okay, good.

I'm going to lean on you to get that.

Yeah. Well, I'll work with the auditor's office to get it set. And then would you like to have the first one before the August 20th date? I think we...

I would, given the deadline and the time crunch, I think there's plenty to just talk about surface level and then not make any decisions until after the August.

Correct. Then I think it would be important for the MUS group to be in contact with the fire study that's being performed that the commissioners are having done because ultimately my belief would be the fire, the .40 would be predicated and directly aligned with the fire study, the $100,000 fire study that you got going on that should pinpoint that service and population. So that will be an automatic uh you know kind of that's the way it should be allocated or excluded from the must discussion we really need that study it's going to be important does that make sense scott yeah okay okay so that's where we're kind of at on that too anything else scott no i think it's clear something up for me because um um so the six percent is an increase over the past because i thought we were living under a four point something percent um ability to capture growth well remember the we were that was a statutory mandate and even though the non-farm rolling 80 000 months you know 60 months or six months was running at five that cut us down to four. This year, it was a moot point. They didn't address it. So it's gone back to the formula, okay, for this year. And the formula is not 6% at this point.

Okay, and so in the past, we've grown at 16%, 13%. 13, 16%, something like that. Only with, well, not in levy.

I'm talking about levy. Okay. Okay. I'm not talking about AV. Okay. AV was at that level, but never was our levy at that unless we had those excess levies, you know, and that wasn't even that high. So AV grew at that amount. AV grew last year about 5%. Okay. Right. But we're talking about the levy for the property tax supported funds. Okay. Which would be general funds.

Right. But the cap you were talking about happens whether it's 4% or 6%. The increase in the cap is growing. Or the quicker the cap gets killed is happening whether... no matter what they do right as we get closer to three where our circuit breaker loss will be more right so that was but that was going to happen anyway this didn't change that um i will say correct okay okay remember the the one that we took the big hit on which was the million dollar

What this from 25 to 26 was the new homestead the lesser of 10% or $300 that's the one that really cut us down and caught it caught everybody because that increased and and Representative Thompson didn't call it circuit breaker, but it was Okay, it was cap loss That was the big one, and that's where, you know, nobody knew that was coming because obviously the state gave that.

Now that will change next year, do you believe?

Well, no, no, that will be in place, but you don't get, you would only get more effect by that 10% or 300 as you had more homes. Because once you take the hit, you will have that hit going off.

The homestead credit is going to decrease over the next couple, three years or so.

Correct. Remember I gave you that graph, which is the ones going up, ones going down, and they're netting to a lower AV. Ultimately, depending on the growth year, you know if it's desirable to live in Hincott County and Greenfield and the neighborhood desirability factor goes up 10 okay but the homestead doesn't your homestead may still go up in net AV right because it depends on the growth of the gross av versus what the deductions take out are you talking about the the flat amount that we were getting the 45 000 or are you talking about the supplemental homestead i'm not talking about either of those i'm talking about the gross gross av and what the gross av of your home will go up but the credit that we're going to be applying to that gross av is going to

Diminish over time to zero, correct?

Correct. Correct. But again, you know, the top line may grow faster than the net line goes down. Okay. Depends on, you know, the overall fair market value and all of that. Okay. So that's why we're waiting on the net AV to see, you know, we still ought to have a positive growth. Most people are experiencing, if you're heavy residential, your net AV is going down.

Yes. I've seen that in the last year.

I mean, total for the county.

Well, I've seen it individually, which would be the total.

Pike County lost 2%, which was a tremendous amount of money.

All right, so it's almost 830. Well, it is 830. Okay.

All right. Since Gary's here, I want to ask a quick question just before we start. Sure. Something that I've kind of been following a little bit is people that are offices that have employees that work from home some. And I was told that the commissioners maybe was working on the new handbook and addressing that. Have you come up with what your opinions are on work from home staff in offices?

Well, from what we've been able to gather, I wasn't prepared to talk about this, but at the same time, it's done on a limited basis only. They

If you're not ready, that's okay.

I just put you on the spot a little bit. But the one that we just created was it has to be approved by your department head or the elected official. And it's only for short periods of time. There needs to be an emergency-type situation, health or maybe something in the office. We've had people, I mean, go home from the –

Prosecutors.

Prosecutors office and community actions.

Public defender.

Yeah, public defender. There's been different offices. They've already allowed it to happen in the past and it's never been brought up, but we've actually gotten a couple of different work from home.

We had you have a whole new work from home policy and then that dictates I think and Andrea is out here HR director and then.

individual ones that gets approved under that master policy is that right approval is the office the final approval comes from the office head or from the commissioners from the office head okay let me ask you something on that um

We can't send this for a hearing item next month.

It's going to make a difference on the budget when we discuss it. You know, I think government, somebody, the office should always be open. Someone should keep it open. And I'm not sure we have that in every department.

I don't know that it's ever been closed. An office has ever been closed. Except for the prosecutor, but it's always open because they're working from home or another office or something like that.

Or there's some contamination or something. They post on social media.

That makes sense. The prosecutor's office was getting into stuff like that. They had their people work from home or another office.

I'm more interested in offices that just Intermittently let people work from home because that's what they'd like to do.

Well, I would hope the department head would have more sense than that. They can't serve the public unless they're here. Well, it's actually set up as an emergency basis only. Andrea?

Yes.

I'm going to say we've had complaints about offices not being open. I've received complaints about a particular office even that the door is locked.

I've never heard that. So, I mean, do you know anything about that?

I think I might, but it's not because there's nobody in there. It's just because they keep their door locked and people don't realize it. Because it happened to me when I went to their office.

Whose door is locked?

Let's just... My experience was the health department. Their door is locked, and I had to get somebody to let me in. So I don't know what the circumstances are.

I do not know. We can find out.

Yeah, I can check on that. I just was curious to see. I knew you guys were working on that in the handbook, and I was wondering how it ended. Because that makes a difference to me.

The court system is totally different from everything else. We have no control over that, really. yeah uh they're they're regulated by the state right and but we're talking specifically about the courts when you say that yeah it's not all not all the offices no the offices and departments and stuff like that is either controlled by the department head or uh the elected official okay that's what i needed to know thank you okay yeah the policy i wrote basically told them they had to make a policy and get it approved

What went in the handbook was not a blanket policy for the county. It was a here's what you have to do and here's how you have to do it. And then it has to come before the commissioners and get approved after they meet with me and we go over it. I make sure they're not putting things into it that are going to be hard.

I agree with Robin 100% that we're public service and everybody should be in their office at all times with exceptions that are unique to what's going on in that person's life or the that office at the time it's not just because that was the intention and the and the language behind what i wrote was to to bring that in under because what was loose and there was no so we've tightened that up considerably

Thank you.

Can I address council for a couple items? I want to keep the meeting moving. Does it have to do with the budget? It has to do with the budget right now. I mean, talking about the county farm, the landscape, Proposals that we're working on right now.

Just need no words that probably not the time we will be here for yeah, we nine hours Yeah, we've got it.

We've got it.

We've got strict.

I need to request I rather I rather calls emergency hearing in the future Okay, rather than thank you. Okay. Thanks Gary All right first item Assessor 830 a.m. We're a little behind Cindy Roberts. It's a general fund. It's a general fund The only thing I had an issue with was or saw that was different was dues and subscriptions. I don't know if anybody else saw anything else. I good morning so why is the the way the dues and subscriptions went up you doubled the the amount from 500 to a thousand well no idea so cut away

typically are the dues like the auditor's association yes dues are based on your salary yeah and i think we have that maybe i assume it's raised because the actual spend in 25 was 670 dollars so it was not covered last year by what we had budgeted

that would be my guess because it's usually a percentage of one yeah and we also have dues and subscriptions in our reassessment fund for a thousand dollars two thousand yeah so if it went to fifteen hundred it wouldn't be that's probably plenty because yeah and we're required to belong to these i move we approve the assessor's general fund uh

budget as written, and the sales disclosure fund as written, and the reassessment fund as written.

I second.

All right, I have a first and second. You don't want to reduce the same 500? Yeah, but I guess he's not reducing it. Bim's not reducing it. You're not reducing the 1 to 500 from 1,000 that she's talking about. She still has 1,500. Okay.

Someone can make a motion to amend and if they want to include that.

Okay, so I have a motion and a second. Wait a minute, who seconded?

Robin. I did.

Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve General Fund 1001, County Sales Disclosure 1131, and Reassessment 1224 as presented at this time. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Do I have an amendment, Mr. Fisk?

Yeah, can I make a motion to amend that motion to take the dues and subscriptions back down to 500 from what it was last year?

In the general fund.

In the general fund.

Do I have a second? Second. All right. I have a motion and a second to amend the County General Fund of 1001 dues and subscription line item back down to $500. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.

I have one question. If she has a dues and subscriptions expense paid out of the general fund, can she split it between her funds easily? Okay. If that's not enough to make a payment. It is. Okay. Perfect.

That is it. Thank you, thank you. Oh boy, I have four funds so.

There's four. Oh, we did three.

We did three.

We only have three.

All right, so the sales disclosure and the reassessment.

I had a question about the. County cum capital because it increased.

Yeah, we. Yeah, we will do that separately.

You can ask your question while you're here though. Did you ever say you have a question?

I don't have questions. It went up. This count went up because the commissioners approved a contract to do our Eagle View that used to be in the surveyor's office's budget, and now it's in our budget. Okay.

It's for the fly to be every year and yes, once a year or twice. Yes, every every other year.

Yes, yeah, and it was for a little more detailed since we've got that new law because with all of our growth, we really need to be on top of it.

I happen to be here when you they did that.

Yeah, the reason I know.

And that was that was already in Q. It was already in Q cap, but it's just a different department. Yes, yes, yeah, it's just different.

And we verify that with Commissioner yesterday so.

Right. all right thank you all right thanks great thank you all right next up 8 35 a.m treasurer jane clemmy uh she just has the general fund is there any issues with this i didn't have any looks great the treasurer's fund i raised my 15 dollars that's all right i'll second jim's motion to approve approve the treasurer's budget as presented all right I have a motion. I have a motion. Who's second?

Motion second.

Motion and second. All right, good. We have a motion and second to approve the Treasurer's General Fund 1001 as presented. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0.

Thank you. Thank you.

All right, 8.40 a.m. I'm back on time. Building Department, Scott Williams, he has a general fund. I got to jump around. There's a song for that. I got the phone ringing.

They're alphabetical. That helps.

I know. Not on here. He had another.

Perfect. I'll move that we approve the. Hold on. Hold on a second. Everybody. Camp type people talking once.

Go ahead. So in 2027, it's not going to be general fund. It's going to be backed by the fees? Right.

So how do you recommend they move forward with this?

So I would approve it as is in the general fund to revert to the new fund once you get guidance. Gotcha. OK.

So the building department budget is going to be self-funded moving into next year?

Yes, it will, hopefully. As I have indicated in the sustainability, there's about probably a need of about a 15% increase. And so that's something we've talked with building and planning on.

So in the motion, do we suggest that the auditor's office revert it when able in full?

On January 1, the guidance is January 1 of 2027, once we know the new fund number and the guidance comes out. Okay. The guidance is now by the State Board of Council. We don't even know the number. But, and it probably won't be January 1 great.

What was the reasoning for for that?

So make it self funded builders association thinks you're making tons of money from building and planning. Okay.

I don't think so, but okay.

So transparency. Okay, I need a motion that mimics what he said.

I'll make a motion to approve the building fund and the general fund as presented and revert it to the new fund when appropriate.

Second.

All right, I have a motion and a second.

I mean, do you follow? Yeah. Okay.

all right i have a motion in a second to approve what's currently the general fund uh for uh the building department that will be revert uh in the future um all those in favor say aye aye any opposed same sign motion carries 7-0 thank you thank you all right next up clerk lisa loft green i've got multiple funds here the only thing i even noticed was she had one item in the very beginning of office supplies that went up 50% from 11,000 to 16,500. Anybody else see anything that concerned them?

The deputy, Lisa, if you go 3%, it's a little different from your number. Is that because you're paying it from two different funds or?

The public access deputy?

Yeah.

Yes. If you see on the front of the 144, it says split two funds from the 1119, which is the perpetuation fund. So, they're each paid from both of those, an additional 7,000 each from perpetuation.

So, that's a current number for . So, anything about the office supplies going up?

The reason that I increased that is because last year we cut it in half and we're getting not super low.

You're getting short supplies for the future clerk is what you're doing.

There will be a new clerk in town next year and they might have different needs for supplies. So we cut it last year it was $22,000 we cut it to $11,000 and now here midway through we're you know trying seeing that it's not stretching as far. So I wanted to add half back in.

It actually spent $18,093.25. OK. I'm surprised it didn't more.

That was the reasoning behind that. OK.

So I'll move we approve the clerk of the court's general fund as written.

2nd, can I ask a question? Sure. Go ahead and ask a question. He's just that he's just doing the 1st 1. yeah, it's the 635,000.

Yeah, and it went up went up, probably 4,000 dollars. Yeah. Meeting travel and lodging used if this is accurate. I don't know used about 1800 dollars and you have 4,000.

Well, the year's not over.

No, that was for 2025. He's talking about 25. Yeah, and so between 25 and 26, you used about 1,800. You're requesting 4,000. Your total budget went up $4,000. Is there any money we can, do you need $4,000 in there?

From the meeting, travel, and budget, not what's funded by the Recorder's Fund?

In the general fund. It's a general fund.

General fund, the first page, right? Yeah, line item 39-200 account.

So it hasn't gone up.

I just was saying, you're not even using half what you got in there. The total budget went up $4,000. I didn't know if we could save a little bit there or whatever.

It probably cut it a little bit. One of the things about that is that I generally don't turn in any mileage or anything when I travel for conferences and that would come out of that meeting budget. And I don't always take deputies with me or I might take one. So if the clerk next year wants to take additional deputies, then that money would need to be available for other deputies to attend or for mileage reimbursements.

Makes sense.

Okay. I mean, I just, I don't know.

And maybe they won't use it and it'll revert back.

I know. It goes back into the general fund. Okay. All right.

I saw you have a motion and a second, correct? Just for the general fund 1001-001. Okay. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor for that fund say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. All right. The next fund. is the General Fund Election Registration.

I'll move that we accept it as written.

I'll second.

I have a motion and a second to approve General Fund Election Regulation 1001-0010. All those in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. Next fund, General Fund Election Board.

I'll move we accept election board as written.

Second.

Alright, I have a motion and a second to approve general fund election board 1001-0062. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. Perpetuation. You know, when you start talking, you can't speak. So, perpetuation fund.

It's okay.

Any issues?

You increased part time is you just have an anticipation of something. More workload or you're going to run short this year or

no i am considering there's been some movement in my office because one of our deputies went over to one of the courts and so i'm moving a lady into that position getting a new magistrate admin that's been posted and then my public access deputy is going to be doing some court work and i anticipate a res retirement at the end of the year and so that person will move in there and i was thinking potentially the public access two positions could possibly be a one plus a part time if the next clerk deems that appropriate.

I'll make the motion that we approve the perpetuation budget as presented.

Second. Can I ask a question? You may ask a question. Is this not a general fund or is this a self-supported?

Not general fund.

no it's it's the clerk's perpetuation fund that's where our document storage fees and collections from filing fees go into right but also are you done on records preservation or are you just you got five thousand dollars but you use 750.

I am getting ready to complete a project before the end of the year and then there'll still be additional files. We're trying to get the courthouse, the files that are still maintained in the clerk's office and some that are in Superior 2, we're trying to get those digitized so that they can go away and then move some of the files back over here into the clerk cage in the basement. So that's kind of a project in anticipation of

losing that space eventually trying to get all of the hard files cleaned out okay all right i have a motion a second to approve fund 1119. all those in favor say aye aye motion carries title 4d general fund removed second I have a motion and a second to approve Title IV-D General Fund 8895-0001. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. And the final one, Clerk IV-D Incentive 8899.

I'll make a motion to approve the Incentive Fund 8895 as presented. Second.

A motion and a second to approve Fund 8899. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. I think that's it. Madam Clerk.

Thank you, Lisa. Thanks, Lisa. Have a good day.

All right. Next up, Commissioners Gary McDaniel. I have numerous, there's numerous issues. So luckily we're nine minutes ahead because here we go. Here we go. We need to cut a lot of money this year, Mr. Commissioner.

You know, the budget only went up by 4%. I know that we have come back on numerous occasions and asked for additional appropriations. So I would think that we would stick where we are. Please.

Gary. Yes, sir. I just had a question. The part-time veteran service went up.

Yes, because the state and the Veterans Administration has had him to work more. It's a requirement now. He's...

practically full-time because in order to keep up with his studies and all that kind of stuff and how much time he has to do these special classes it's what some of us call an unfunded mandate yeah yes can we interject on when we went back over this budget on your part-time veterans there was a calculation that that wasn't right so honestly the um His part time budget should, which still qualifies for the the new state regulations. It should be 30,666 dollars and 19 cents. Keep that number 30,666 dollars and 19 cents. OK, just 666. You're talking about the service officer. Just the part-time.

So not $31,273, but instead $30,666.

That is correct. It was calculated on the wrong scale.

I have a general question. Almost everybody else is asking for more money for fuel. You're asking for 50% less in the 22-105. It is good, but I'm curious. Because I have other ones coming up and I'm like thinking, well, why are there skyrocketing and theirs isn't? Al?

don't have as many floater vehicles yeah we've i mean we've got three vehicles sitting out here we just give one away or actually allowed planning department to take that one i think they're all taking that in their own budgets yeah i know okay yeah and then yeah and then i i had one one last question the non-navigable streams the 30 000 um that's we're responsible for uh

clearing this the streams in the county yes but we never spend much money on that i know it's a small well the uh surveyor actually they're the ones out doing it so it might be covered somewhat under theirs but we keep it there just in case they need it so because he's always running short if you can encourage him to do more why

okay we'll see if we can't do that then spend the money basically on your oh i was going to ask more questions on second page you increase the attorney fees 200 from 25 grand to 75 grand what's the reasoning behind that it's because we come back to ask for another 75 000 just did that two months ago 273. all right we got it we got i've always said every i think every year i say because as an attorney i'm like okay we're spending way too much on legal fees well we need between uh

We're telling you as an attorney. The opportunities that have been presented to us, it has taken multiple attorneys in order to address that. I'm just saying. I don't think I would cost that much.

Do you put out requests for proposals periodically on those services?

We put out For what, the attorneys themselves? Yeah, yeah. Well, the ones that we have had to use, these are specialty attorneys and they deal with like the IURC, the power. I mean, we had our own two attorneys, Rhonda and Scott, but then we had to have a special attorney to actually address the board.

That's true. And these projects, are they in relation to the TIF districts?

The power was not.

no it is uh they were wanting to a power plant in our ag okay well um keep in mind in the future the attorney fees associated with projects related to the tip districts should be run through the rdc yeah not the general fund here so we've not really had to use any special attorneys for the tiff area well before we did because of I wasn't here then. Yeah, I know. It's probably going to happen again.

I think there's a request on our meeting for RDC for attorney fees, I believe.

one move we accept the commissioner's general fund budget with the exception of uh line item 12 903 that would go to 30 000. which line is it 30 666 for the part-time veterans oh the veterans that we already were made aware of yeah that's the only change

Yes, I'll second that.

All right, I had one more question. The non-government entity assistance, you might have told us about that. It's a new line item. Can you describe it to the public and to us? Which line is that? It's 1001-37550. It's on page 19.

Were you removed the non-profits from individual line items?

We have set up a... a grants committee we're going to do grants and actually i'm getting ready to call a meeting because we're as soon as we get the actual budget done then we're going to actually start granting money so i think that's a good thing because there's people out there that maybe need help and don't know that they can come to the commissioners and maybe there's people that we shouldn't be helping i don't know well that we want to make sure that the people that we're helping is people we should help yeah yeah

and with president's way to have better control over it yeah yeah i don't think anyone should be a default recurring annual given you know every year it should be open and fair across

yeah that's basically where that money came from and i don't want i want the public that's i said i want the public to hear it and for everybody to i mean i know the answer but i want to make sure everybody else because there's a lot of zeros here and a lot of people are emailing us going we're i'm not getting money and i'm i want them to understand that's i mean we we don't even have enough to fund the items that we've got ahead of us i mean so we're going to have to be very stingy with that money All right, I have a motion and a second on the table to approve the oh.

Sure, if there's an issue you need to increase the mental health according to the growth quotient because they will get the same amount of growth quotient you get. So that needs to be 540.

What line item?

It's it's on. It's on page 20. It's 1001 38600 mental health levy currently says 510,323, but the number should say go ahead.

540942. Make that part of the motion. And who seconded originally?

I did. I second it again.

Yeah.

okay so i'd repeat the motion i guess uh okay uh i will have them we have a motion on the table for uh fund 1001-0068 county general commissioners uh as presented with the changes of line one thousand one twelve nine oh three the part-time veteran service officer reading thirty thousand six six six instead of thirty one thousand two seventy three and also the change of line one thousand one thirty eight six hundred mental health levy changing it from five hundred ten thousand three twenty three to five hundred forty thousand nine forty two can i have one further discussion yes yes you can yes

No, I'm in this budget, the, the, the increase is the insurance. And there's nothing we can do about that. Okay. I mean, we're, we're, we're all talking about the little things and everything, but the insurance is 400,000. That's and the budget is basically increased 400,000. So that's, that's the, that's the cups of it. So, I mean, I just want to say in behalf of the. of the commissioners presenting the budget. The budget is fairly good, except we can't do anything about the stupid insurance.

And we don't control the mental health levy. Right.

And that's where the problems are.

And I can agree with Kent on that, because for years I assisted some of the commissioners on their budgets, and they've really done, I think, the best they can.

Thank you. I'll call for the question. Well, I already said we were about ready to vote, and you stopped it. Do I have to repeat everything I said?

No, just the one and two.

The what?

Oh, never mind.

Who made the motion? Jim made the motion.

All right, I will do it again.

Mary seconded it.

Any other questions before I read it? No, but after you get the first and the second, you always ask for any additional questions.

Oh, yeah, I did.

And we did. I did. So then Robert's rule of order is I can call for the question.

and then you already i thought i was ready to vote after he praised gary he can call are you done praising people yes yes all right maybe not all right here we go i will do it again everybody needs i have a motion by mr shelby and a second by ms butcher i mean no ms la uh her name's mary i know i'm trying to do last days This is gonna be a long day. I have a motion by Mr. Shelby and a second by Ms. Ngo, which was also amended. And it reads, to approve the County General Commissioner's Fund 1001-0068 with these following changes of 1001-12903 a part-time veteran service officer to thirty thousand six six six and also one thousand one thirty eight six hundred mental health levy to five hundred forty thousand nine hundred forty two all those in favor say aye aye any opposed same sign motion carries seven oh good boy i'm done no thanks don't don't go away don't go away all right next fund

self-insurance i just have a question gary on on the grounds uh for the farm looks like that money isn't spent is it really the grounds on the farm uh-huh oh as far as the maintaining of it yeah well what's being maintained of it is he uh some of it's rented out and some of it's taken care of by the sheriff's department. But I can guarantee you we're going to need it. We've got different things going on. I know we're going to need it. If you want me to go ahead and spend it, I'll go ahead and spend it. But at the same time, I'll hold it until we actually have to spend it.

Yeah, the sheriff has personally done some grounds maintenance.

He's done, what, 58 acres or so?

And his tenure will be up at the end of the year on that, and then we've acquired more parcels. We bought the Borgman Farm. We bought a couple more acres.

We did that last year. It just looked like no money's being spent, but that may be wrong.

Some of that... Some of that could be switched probably to Corey, and when he runs out of money, because he's taking care of a lot of property right now. Okay. And land is part of it. He's helping with the trails. He's doing around here. He's doing quite a bit, and he could run a little short.

I move we accept the county farm budget as written.

Second.

I have a motion and a second to approve the County Farm General Fund as presented. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, same sign. Motion carries, 7-0. All right, self-insurance liability.

I'll make a motion to approve Fund 4700 self-insurance liability as presented.

Is that including what Janine was wanting us to raise it by to shore it up a little bit better? It's $750,000. Okay. I was thinking she was wanting something around a million dollars there.

Well, you didn't she didn't put it in the budget.

Okay.

And we're trying to cut the budget.

Yeah, I second that. Well, I second it.

Oh, we have a motion a 2nd. Yep. Okay. I appreciate it. I'm not Deborah. I know louder.

No, you can just call us by our 1st name.

Yeah.

Yeah. Just do that. Yeah.

Robert and Mary and Robin. Yeah.

I don't even know who made the motion.

Keely made the motion. I second it.

I didn't hear it. I have a motion and a second by Keely and Robin. Self-insurance liability fund $4,700. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those against, same sign. Motion carries 7-0. All right. Next up, facility maintenance.

The only question I had was on the director's salary. Is that coming from two different places? They're different by one hundredths of a percent.

it might be a rounding issue from the bi-weekly numbers yeah because that's how we're calculating it bi-weekly now so when it rounds up it's just so it's correct as written okay we checked it is is the office supplies number good enough because i saw on 25 25 you spent 5 000 and last year's budget was 12 000 now you're only asking for 1500 which is great but i'm just making sure it's good

So the facility is a new department as of last year.

That was over somewhere across the desk, the equipment division.

OK. So it's probably going to be around this price from here on. Yes, sir. OK. Thank you. Any other questions regarding this?

We're talking about the facility maintenance budget and the general fund?

Yes.

And so the director's salary and the employee's salary went down as opposed

going up by 3% in my 3% of the projected the requested 2026 budget. If they did 3% of the 2027 budget, then they would get more because of that 27. So you're going to see a lot of those going a little bit.

I gotcha.

Um, On fuel, I know that when people put the budgets in in recent months, fuel was a little higher than it is now. Do you feel strongly you'll need the 15% increase in fuel if We sustained where we're at now.

So we're not going to the governor's putting the 61 cent state tax back on next month. So the gas is going to go up 61 cents next month. Yeah. Yeah.

And they're having problems in the Middle East again. So yeah.

And are you dry? You 2025 when you spent significantly less, there was only one, not two of you, right? And you have more properties that you're running around to, right?

And more equipment. Oh, and that's your fuel that you put in equipment, not just your cars.

All the fuel and all the equipment. Okay.

I was just curious. If there's no other questions, I'll make a motion on the facility budget.

second it oh i'm sorry were you done i'm done second as presented all right so keely the first and rama at the second any any comments i'll call for the question that's your comment i could just done it all right all right i have a motion second to approve the facility maintenance uh general phone 1001 as presented all those in favor say aye aye any opposing side motion carries 7-0 thanks gory thank you sir thank you guys all right next up is human resources andrew can come up and join you uh i think there's a new item for employee recognition supplies and i also saw meeting travel and lodging went up from three thousand to eight thousand and that is about right i go to a road school and the the hotels we get we can't get under three and four hundred dollars because they're everybody that

The last road schools more expensive like AIC is 172 this year and I at Fort Wayne so for like their conference so the rates are going up for some of these conferences even you know when you're going local staying in the state they're going up.

But at the same point though your training. You didn't you used what 1 8th of your training?

Well, you got to figure, all four commissioners were working another job at that point in time. We didn't have time to actually do this. Well, this is for human resources. This is human resources. This isn't yours. We've not had that. Well, we had it, but Andrea has really done a great job with human resources, so I feel her travel is going to go up also.

Could some of that if they are going with the auditor or their quarter, I think several of them have 6000 dollars. Marcia helped me understand. They do not, but. But could HR use some of those budgets? Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's new guy. Just asking.

next year i didn't go this year um i had started of course at the end of march so getting into the national sherm conference which was in orlando in june

coincided with my daughter's wedding so i didn't schedule that i will go to that next year i'm going to the indiana sherm conference which fortunately for me is 15 minutes from my house i'm going to the national ada training conference in two weeks there's a strong need for that ada uh knowledge uh where's that at uh it is in phoenix arizona so in july it'll be great not a great time to go um should be pretty cheap then I wish. It was $224 a night at the place where they're having it.

Are they making you stay at JW Marriott?

Yes.

Uh-huh. That's the problem.

I think it's called. And then I'm also looking possibly there's another lesser known to most people conference called CEBS and that is a benefits focused training. I don't have the certification yet. I'm working on that in my personal time. I have the books already. But if I receive that certification that's another very good conference. It helps a lot with trying to streamline benefits, understand benefits, shop them better, make them, you know, stretch the dollar on those kinds of things. So there are several conferences that an HR director should really attend if they want to stay current with legislation and regulations and ADA and just all the different things.

All this travel is supervised and approved by the commissioner, correct?

Yeah, because it's all, except for the Indiana SHRM conference, it's all out of state. Yeah, it's oversight.

but you so you list all that under meeting and travel then you don't list anything under training so you're raising the meeting and travel up five thousand dollars but you still had seven thousand dollars in training left over from the year before

Well, I just got here.

I know, but the department has. So are you going to, do we need to lower the training down and increase the travel? Because that seems to be the cups when you go on training and travel, to travel seems to be the expense.

The conference fees are the training. For example, the ADA one, the conference cost outside of anything else was $900. SHRM, National, of course, it'll probably go up. It always does. Their registration is over $1,000. and there will be the uh the indiana sherm i think was 800 and something and i don't know what they're going to be next year so i was moving numbers around in this budget i actually overall the budget only increased a little bit and that was only due to the addition of the employee recognition program because i was able to move everything else out of categories where it was not necessary

You pay the conference fee out of training and then the lodging comes out of the other hotels and the airfare comes out of the travel Yeah, and if you don't attend these then we'll have to hire someone who does have the expertise You don't have that's gonna be a lot more expensive. Correct.

That is that is what I would say. Yes The the training and the information and that I'm able to get and bring back from that will keep us current on Legal policies and things like that. So absolutely very beneficial

All right.

Any more questions?

Okay, go ahead. I move we approve the human resources budget as presented.

I'll second.

All right.

I have a, oh, any discussion? All right. I have a motion and a second on the table to approve the human resources budget as presented. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed, same sign. Motion carries. All right, next up is the CCD budget. So, Mr. Commissioner, this is...

This is where you wanted to cut a million-some dollars, right? Yes. This is, yeah. Good thing we're ahead of schedule.

Yes.

I don't know how to do it. I was going to say, if there's not cuts, this might be my first no. There's going to be cuts.

uh greg do you have before we get started any comment on jim's point about lack of sustainability for this level of ccd is there any one-offs that won't recur and are throwing this number off and should be considered well the sheriff and i talked about um kid on on page 97 sustainability but we we talked about

that was in here for 230 and 285. And the 285, if I recall correctly, Sheriff, we said that's going to have to move over to the bond in 2028. So it's kind of a one-off on 27. That's not the radio clip.

It's a drone. I think that 285 is drone.

That's drone. That's radio clip. 285, yes, is the drone. OK. it's two houses and four drums my understanding and so uh but then the 230 which is the lease payment that was for 27 but does it look like it will be it'll have to go over to bond in 28 at least no he's saying no it's a lease payment at least payment

stays stays okay the car the car for new cars not in there for next year they don't need them that will have to go back in for 28 under the bottom under under motor vehicles 11 30 um 44 800. let's see right let's see it's zero now additional hundred thousand okay how much

And I think when we talked, and Brad, you might just go ahead and come up and speak on your portion of CCD, if that's okay with Scott. Is it okay to have the sheriff come up to the microphone?

Yeah, because I think that I have an issue with the drone of 285,000. That's just too, I mean.

And Brad, I think we talked by phone that that drone number at 285,000 is an ongoing annual payment for the most part on what we already have, but also included some extra to add one more device. Is that right?

Yes, if we do, if we currently do what we plan on doing now, there could be some changes to that that could maybe reduce that a little bit. That would be to add an additional docking station with another drone, but we may be able to do some patrol led stuff that may change that a little bit.

How what portion of that is the is just the annual cost of what we already have? Or you're saying that was all new new purchase and lease payments covering what we already have.

So if you add the additional it adds about so it's $120,000.

OK, so that's equipment we don't already have. That's part of the 285 number, right?

That is that is correct.

And then the 230.

The 230 is our current payment that was reduced to $100,000 from last year because we got rid of some leased cars.

Oh, that's cars. That's nothing to do.

That's the leased cars. And so we got rid of some, but we still have some, so we have to maintain a certain amount for what we currently have.

Oh, yeah. Okay. And so our invoice for what we already have on drones for next year will be 165?

Maybe just a little bit more. And then I got to see and that was something I was going to go back when I got to my during lunches to figure out because it was it says zero in there from last year, which doesn't make any sense. I don't know where it was at.

Maybe it got moved from another.

Yeah, things get moved around all the time, so that's why I'm trying to figure out where it was at one point. So and maybe it was somewhere else and but I just slipped it in here to make sure it was somewhere. Because sometimes things get moved and. They end up in some other place.

Well, I think we might have just added him last year through an additional appropriation, right? So this would be the first.

well they were actually supposed to be paid for in 20 this year was going to be the first payment the problem we had was we didn't get some installed until late so it's like i'm not paying this year until we get a full year out of them so really the first payment won't start until 27. okay and some of that i believe also is being paid out of rdc funding because there's some sheriff equipment in there that we're paying some out of as well but we did also in that, I forget what you call it at the end of the year when you carry money over.

Incumbrance?

Incumbrance. We did an encumbrance for some of that for the drones for next year.

The vehicle equipment, was that moved or is that to stock for new cars we're expecting or what?

That's new car equipment. So that's new car equipment. I think last year that was put in the RDC fund, but there's a lot coming out of RDC funding when there's only about $100,000 to work with for equipment.

Ken, we're going to need you to take some of this back.

Brad, the $203,000 for camera and video equipment, is that an ongoing payment?

That is an ongoing payment. What is that for? Body worn and in-car cameras. Oh, okay. It's not, because I mean, you saw the recent ruling about flock cameras. Yeah, that's a different thing. Okay. I just want to make sure that wasn't in there.

Are those in CCD?

Well, the recent ruling involves neighborhoods.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah. So there's a question on at least one neighborhood that I got to address. Yeah.

Is that in CCD, the cost of those?

The flock? It's at the bottom. It's in 40 next page 44904. 80,000.

That's a police payment also, right?

That is correct. So let me ask the question what she what she just said. The 100,000 for new car equipped additional. We didn't have any in it last year. But our cars that aren't. Um, scheduled for Tiff areas allowed to be purchased equipment for those cars. As well, if you, if you, if you're if you do a new car equipment for all your cards is the. Already see available to pay for all the equipment for all the cars, even though all the cars don't go into the. All the cars aren't maintained for the tip. We've been trying to do percentages. You know what I'm saying? If a percentage of your calls come from the RDC area, then a percentage of the income or the money should come from the RDC area. If we get into where we're paying for the whole county, then we'll have to ask Lisa Lee what's available, what's not. I understand.

Because this is the cost of when you buy a new car and it has no equipment, right?

Well, not necessarily. It could be I have a siren that goes out of a car during the year. I have a piece of equipment that we have that goes out of a car. That's where this money goes. Well, Greg.

You really need to keep it as an allocation. Two, not money.

Right, right. So that same allocation last year you're saying is not in this year's budget? In which budget? RDC's budget.

There is one there. There is an equipment budget in there. Yes. There's an operations and an equipment. Yes. I don't think it was cut. It was not. Now, it should be in, what was that, 1161 or 4616? It's additional from that, though.

So there is about $101,000 in there for equipment.

Not specifically specified. So that could be drones. That could be in-car equipment. Last year, I believe it got moved from CCD into RDC, that $100,000. So I'm currently paying for my equipment, all equipment, out of that fund.

Okay. But then you've added another $100,000 into this budget that weren't here last year.

I put it there because I don't know where people are going to place things. or it gets moved, so I gotta have it somewhere because if it's not there, so you can take it out and we can pay it out at RDC or we just leave it there.

The drones are only in the TIF areas, the expensive drones.

No, no. They're not? We have two stations in the TIF area. Yeah, they're in the stations. But the patrol lead, the ones I have in cars, they're driving around the entire county. Yeah, yeah, those, but I mean, I'm talking about. Same thing, it's the same telemetry, it's the same bird. Okay. We just have two stations in the TIF.

Because I was thinking the ones at the TIF could be done by the RDC. They probably already are. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I was just saying that if that's still in the RDC, then this is a total additional.

Yes, it could be. Yes. If I'm going to be able to utilize the 110 or 101 that's currently in the RDC for this and leave it there, yes, fine. Okay. This is an additional.

Yes.

101 has got to go to something else like the drones which there again We don't know exactly where they would be coming from. I got to have it one way or the other. Okay Next year's got that one way the other but I'm just saying It was taken out last year it was put it was in there last year a hundred thousand and they got moved I put it back just a case that we can put it there and

we could if not then so be it okay any other questions for the sheriff is that we got we got a lot more of these items on ccd yeah well i we could come back to this hundred thousand okay i think it's already funded personally and i think it's it's available already um do you see from the rdc

and but then we'll then we just have to address the drone right yeah we will have to figure out if there's something that's not covered which is going to be a 2027 payment and on the line item for the drone 120 000 of that is for the new drone 120 that would be for additional an additional one for the south south end of the county but if i do something different if we decided to do something different i could reduce that somewhat um Because I don't necessarily have to put stations in when there's new telemetry out there where because dispatch flies the drone. There's some new telemetry out there will allow me to just put a drone in a car. A non piloted officer that has the drone that's driving around the county that can if we get a call for a drone, he can get it out of the car, turn it on. and then dispatch can take control of it. That way, basically that station is being able to move. And so I can get a drone cheaper than I do one for a station. So I'm able to have more bang for the buck, I guess.

That's what I was thinking and several of us had talked a little bit about finding out a little bit more how that one drone is being used and is working now before we go to another station.

The other station, the second station is being installed July 27th.

Or if we want to do that, we could pay for the new drone out of something like Food and Beverage rather than Cuban Capital to help the Cuban Capital. If we wanted to do that.

We're predominantly seeing an increase in drone activity. And obviously John can probably provide numbers on our calls for drones being called out. But if you see the way the United States is working with technology, the drones are really, really becoming, we're just in the beginning phases of the drones being a useful tool for law enforcement.

yeah but you're 30 am i understanding you you're you're thinking right now that rather than putting another permanent station one you'll get one that's uh mobile yes i would get more mobile and put them in cars versus having another station so if you do that how how would that change your line item here well

I'd have to go back and figure what it costs per drone to put in per car. It'd be nice to have a couple drones per shift. That way there's one on each shift or two on each shift that when the call arises, that officer's already working, he can go to that location and it can be flown. Versus putting out a call, when dispatch puts out a call saying, hey, we need drone operators, and it takes 20 or 30 minutes for somebody to show up. And so that way they're already out there, ready to go. So it depends on where I can take that additional money, how much it's gonna cost per drone, and how many I can put in per car. So- Well, I think it's I think it's roughly thirty five to forty thousand per drone Mm-hmm rather than a car. Yeah, rather than 120, right?

Okay, you take the 120 divided by out, but 35 I don't know what that one why don't we ask we don't have to Approve finally any any of these things today maybe we asked the sheriff to come back with a uh you know a suggestion for uh changing this number to uh what you just uh what you just said yeah and that's fine i can do that i can work on that this i mean this information that i just got just happened within the last couple weeks of being able to do what i can do with

And one-time purchases out of food and beverage for drones I think is acceptable for me.

One-time purchase, yes.

One-time purchase. That's a lease though.

It's a lease program.

So you don't have to buy the docking stations. You don't have to buy any of that.

It's just a lease. So paying the annual fee, the $35, if one gets damaged or it crashes, they give you a new one. So I don't have to each time buy a drone if something happens.

It's a safety system. They're hard to hit. I can't hit one.

Well, we don't want to do that.

With the number of drones that you may want to put in the vehicles, the expense, would that be similar to that? if we would have just stayed with the singular.

And that's what I need to figure out. Yeah, I want to see what.

I mean, I would assume that you could work that into that being close to the same number.

Yes, yes. That's kind of what I'm, so I want to go back. That's what I want to figure. I want to get a cost associated with how many.

I don't see that number moving too much.

No.

It's just what you do with it. Yeah.

So maybe we approve the Sheriff's CCD budget here with the exception of 44302, the vehicle equipment being eliminated. Hold on. There's a whole lot of other stuff in this budget.

Unless we're allowed, but are we allowed? I think we have to prove it as a whole. Prove it as a whole with the changes per...

Office with all the amendments in the motion.

Yeah.

Yeah The other amendment would be that we asked the sheriff to come back and with a new request for 44 405 based on The objective of having a mobile drone cars

Facility rather than a fixed facility. Okay, but that's an ongoing motion, right? Because because we've got, yeah, yeah, it's not a motion motion.

It's just a discussion. Okay. He's just saying that he'd like to be part of the motion, right? Okay.

Yeah, I don't really see a need to change that number because I think you're just going to make a decision at some point on putting them in cars versus the 1 stationary. So, working with that number would give you the ability to know what you can do.

Yeah. Hopefully by the time my time is at 3 o'clock or whenever, I might have some answers.

Okay.

All right.

And do I understand, on the mobile drone, there's not a fixed upfront cost, that's really an annual cost?

Well, there's really not a fixed cost on any of it. It's all an annual cost. Okay. Through whatever drone you have, it's an annual cost for anything that goes wrong, it gets repaired in that cost.

But there's no, it's not a balloon then. It's a constant cost. It's a straight line cost.

Yeah. Okay.

It's kind of like the other stuff. It's just straight across. Does that become a lease or what? Is it capital?

But there is the house.

stations for one it's all in the same it's it's it's it's not really a one-time cost it's all part of it you own it's at least like at least own I guess you're owning the equipment for it to fly out yes it's all part of the one cost that station goes bad they replace it They're providing that, yes. If something goes bad, they replace it.

I have one last question. Those cars, for $230,000, we have some on lease. Yes. Next round, we're going to buy, anticipate doing that through a GEO bond, and these leases will go away?

Eventually, if we don't lease anymore. Well, there's going to be a certain amount, a small amount, because we still continue to lease our detective trucks, but the majority of these in our jail wagons, The majority of these here are patrol-led cars. We have 2024 leases for patrols. Those will go away in 28 because of the rotation. So once those 24s go off, that'll go down dramatically as well in 2028 for those leases.

okay so when we think about the lack of sustainability of this ccd budget we can project that this 230 will keep going down between now and 2028 because we'll buy cars out of a geobot correct right this should not condition as long as we don't lease anymore this will keep keep going down okay all right i think his was the biggest

the biggest question i hope because because now mr mcdean was putting us behind your ccd so i just want to make sure was there a change to this hundred thousand or no not we don't have a motion we're not doing anything yet okay making notes all right all right next up surveyor i don't see well i don't think they're all planning to be here right now no no no they don't have to be here i just i'm just moving on so we keep doing the ccd budget all right so surveyor then after that's corner corner um okay so it looks like in 20 they request 143 000

In 2020-26-27, we rejected it, adopted with $1,650, and now they request $145,000 this time. So what is the...

It says a secondary commercial-rated vehicle to transport to . Do you know anything about the condition of the vehicle we have?

I do not.

Oh, you're here? Okay, would you like to...briefly?

Yes.

Rudy Nyland and Alex Barnes.

So right off the bat we can reduce that number to 117 500 but for further discussion so our current vehicle situation what we have is we have an almost 10 year old minivan and we have a Almost 10 year old Tahoe that we got last year from Brad that he just came to us because he was going to. Anyway, so what we're requesting is to get a commercially rated vehicle that's going to be safer for our staff to operate when we're transporting to seasons. So, right now, we are very limited on storage in the vehicle and there's a lot of equipment that we have to haul when we go to a scene. There's also no barrier from the driver, which exposes staff to biohazard conditions. There's also not really a way to clean the back of that vehicle if it gets messy from biohazard. So we really are wanting to get something that is specifically built for this purpose that can last us for a long time. So we've been looking at a couple different options. kind of what we're looking at so we're looking at getting a we'd like to get a new tahoe and these new tahoes are a lot longer than the old ones that we have so we're able to actually fit our equipment in there um so the tahoe itself um built out is 92 000 so that would probably be the minimum that we um But the other equipment that we would need to put in it, so one of those power cots that you see in ambulances, one of those cots is $18,000. A securing mechanism so the cot doesn't roll all on the back of the vehicle, $6,000. And then the installation of that about $2,500, which gives about $117,000. OK.

The one thing I mentioned last year was this vehicle will certainly be a long-term use. I mean, I think it would be a 10 to 12 years service for our county. But we certainly need something more than a smaller minivan. And like I've said before, these cots are extremely durable. If we had a collision in the back of the van with one of those cots in there, There's no give so it really puts the whoever is in the front seat at risk if there is a even a medium speed rear end collision.

So let me ask Greg Garrett toss. So this is a non recurring non annually recurring expense. If there was consensus that we wanted to purchase the vehicle, does it belong in or because we have so many more requests than revenues. Would we look to pay for it 1 off somewhere else like food and beverage?

No, okay.

The balance. Okay, the balance is there. Okay. That's that answers all my questions on that.

No, the bonds are 40. yeah, I know. it's non-recurring though so we don't have to worry about the sustainability of that expense all right so we've dropped it to 117 500 i think yeah okay anything else on this not for me okay next item is ccd co-extension services thank you uh next after that's election board uh next after that's commissioners i i did have a question on

There's some new there's some vehicles in here and Gary, you mentioned that. You have 3 vehicles outside that you just gave 1 to planning. Are you able to, uh, sacrifice. Any more vehicles elsewhere towards some of these requests or least. Well, I don't mean that. I mean, where somebody's asking for a new one, could we use one you already have leased that's not being used?

That's why we let planning have one of them. Simply because there's no use in sitting there doing nothing. We're still paying for it.

Uh, because we have 1, for example, the prosecutor's office has a budget in there that says they have a lease that's up in November slash December this year and they have over a 1000 dollars a month in next year's budget. So two questions is, A, do we have any vehicles here we can use that aren't being used to their fullest? And then B, my question is, should we continue the practice of leasing vehicles that cost over $1,000 a month? I mean, you can buy a pretty nice vehicle and have a payment less than that. So we talked here a lot like a year or two ago about county vehicles and there was some inventory taken and I don't know where all that ended up landing.

lot of either surplus or well i think that we're stuck in some of those leases and i think the sheriff can speak on it when we got it it was a much better deal now it's not so much the great deal but we still have those leases so i don't think they're going to be renewing them and i don't think that's the plan the commissioners are going to follow but we still have that lease so But we have two right now. We did have three now. We've got two.

We've got two more. So, like, for example, in the prosecutor's line where there's a note that his lease is up in November and December and he's asking for another $13,600 next year for a vehicle, could we talk about one of these vehicles?

I would think we could. I mean, we're open to anything. But at the same time, I don't know when the lease is up on the ones that we got. So... The auditor would be the only one that could get that.

But letting the prosecutor use one of those vehicles, the lease would just continue until the duration, but the prosecutor would be in full-time use of that vehicle as opposed to the commissioners having two vehicles. Would that work? No?

Unless the prosecutor currently has a lease on his, I don't know offhand.

I don't know when it expires.

You don't know when your leases are up?

I don't know, no.

We can check on that before the next time we meet again.

be that would be good because if we have two vehicles to spare and we're about to get a new lease or renew a lease for a vehicle for the prosecutor's office i would like to just talk about reallocating a vehicle we already have here and i was trying to see if there was i thought there was another community corrections wants another motor vehicle from 50 000 i don't know you know i lost them that's page eight yeah i mean that's what So that one, their lease, it says runs till summer next year. And then they put it in to just buy a vehicle instead of lease another one.

mean you need to retain one vehicle for what are those vehicles the three you have are just for commissioner discretion or what is no no it's vehicles that we have taken that they had we've actually taken them back where does it come from a couple came from community corrections yes

Any more?

Okay. So they took that back over, and I still think that there might be somebody in the courthouse that's needing one of those. I know planning took one.

I was thinking one of the courts was wanting one. We may have just one left to deal with.

It may just be one left, but there's maintenance that needs to be done on, I think, a battery or something to be distributed. But I don't have that in front of me.

And I'm not saying that we have to solve for all that right now, but I am concerned about approving vehicles without having a better understanding of what's floating around, when it ends. We've got that. We just don't have it here with us.

It's all recorded. I mean, the auditor has done a great job putting that together.

I do have a quick question on that. community correction vehicle okay so in july the lease the lease is up so that means that lease payment stops um and then they want 50 000 for a new vehicle so from july into december the lease payment is coming out of where that we're going to save that money and how much is that project we pay ours on a project income so all of ours gets paid out of our project income fund OK, so we're saving that money because you're no longer going to be leasing something after July, right? So how much is that? Because then we're adding another 50,000 for a new vehicle, so I was just trying to discern if it's it's right here. It's 10,000 to 5460.

Leases on both vehicles and in July 2027 purchase requests and CCD and fund 1122. So. Then do we need to give them the total 50 since- But then they have another line that says motor vehicles, 15,000 requested leases on both. That doesn't make sense.

It depends if they're gonna pay for it outright.

You're gonna pay for it outright. So then we need to reduce their lease payment line.

From July to December?

Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah. It's reduced.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

But you potentially have two vehicles that you need to find homes for.

I'm thinking one the way we're because we just took one for planning and another one, one of the courts or something.

I'm pretty sure those lease payments are up the same time next year. I'm pretty sure because those came from ours and we're pretty sure that the lease, the leases were up all at the same time.

Okay. Why 50,000 is there a specific car you must have.

Well, we kind of have, like, an idea of the model, just like, size wise. So we're just kind of, which is why. Well, we had put on here, like, a Ford Explorer, similar model, so.

Like, why does that be afford explore when I was like, similar model when I was the assessor I know when I had to come before council and purchase a car that we used every day all day to go out and do our review work. I was given a budget, which I know inflation will hit that. I was given a budget of 25,000.

Well, you get a Honda court or a Honda civic or right? I mean, that's what I'm confused unless they're transporting somebody, you know.

people and my field officer is also like six foot four so well i'm six foot three like that i mean i can drive in a court i don't fit in it i don't see an explorer i can't fit in a bmw three series but i can fit in you won't fit my little that's okay i have a question have you looked into what the lease buyout was for the vehicle the vehicle is released now they were brand new when you leased them they won't release vehicles unless they're brand new and so and it's probably a two or three year lease so they're only two or three years old um four years old and so how many miles do they i mean you guys don't drive them like i drive my car so i'm sure they don't put a lot of miles on them every day

I think it'd be interesting to know what the residual that's all he does is drive because there's residual on them.

I know my daughter leads the vehicle and then she purchased that vehicle and it worked out very well.

Release 1 of our vehicles and and the residual usually it was a lot less. Yeah.

For for 2 or 3 or 4 year old vehicles, like half, but yes.

I would like to see us get something smaller than an Explorer just because this is a CCD page.

Yeah, one page eight. He's asking where we were.

I feel like today I'm not ready on all the vehicle stuff specifically just because I don't have enough information. Just the county as a whole. Right. And how are we going to keep leasing? Are we going to start buying really? I'm a bigger fan of buying than leasing vehicles, and then as the years go by, each future council can decide whether they want to replace old vehicles or lease. I'm not a big fan of leasing a bunch of vehicles that cost over $1,000 a month, because I know what a seven-year payment on a pretty new vehicle actually is, and it's less than that. And then you own it, and people of the future can decide whether or not they want to let our employees drive old cars or not. So I'm a bigger fan of that over leasing. And I don't think we should get way behind on that in this moment.

But that's how I feel about leasing is not as advantageous as it used to be. And we've leased for years. I've leased probably seven or eight vehicles over the years. And what used to be really a great deal is not so buying it is not that bad a deal now as opposed to leasing.

For our CCD request, can we check on the price to buy the vehicles that we

In your paperwork, you don't be a residual amount that that is what you can buy it for. And typically, then you have to pay sales tax on that residual. But since we are a government, we probably won't have to pay that. So, whatever that residual amount is, would be what the vehicle could be purchased for.