Telecommunications Committee - Regular Meeting

I will do as you command. All right, good evening, and welcome to the committee meetings for Green City Council. Today is Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. I'd like to call these meetings to order. Before we get started, I would like to welcome our student municipal representatives. We have Audrey, Natalie, and Saya. Thank you guys very much for being here. If at any time this evening, during the appropriate committees, if you have questions or comments, please don't hesitate to chime in when able. All right. First item on our agenda is the approval of minutes. We have TMP 5480, approval of the August 25th, 2026 committee meeting minutes. Move to approve. Second. We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

Mr. Neugebauer. Yes. Mr. Noble.

Yes.

Mr. Brandenburg.

Yes.

Mr. Humphrey.

Yes.

Mr. DeVitas.

Abstained.

Mr. Spate.

Yes.

And Mr. Maker.

Yes.

All right. Motion carries.

Thank you, ma'am. Next, we have the meeting of our committees. First committee to meet this evening is Finance Committee, chaired by Mr. Humphrey.

Thank you, Mr. President. Finance will meet this evening. Myself, Mr. Neugebauer, and Mr. Spade are all present. We have several items on second reading. The first is a second reading of 2026 R44. This is a resolution requiring the Summit County Fiscal Officer to advance funds to the City of Green and declaring an emergency. I can say that this is my favorite kind of legislation in finance, to request someone to send us money and send it as soon as possible. So... We'll have Director Goodrich just walk us through this request. It's pretty straightforward. And then we can talk about whether or not we want to have second reading passage on this.

Okay, thank you. This is a piece that we pass every year. It's a housekeeping piece. It allows Summit County to advance the property tax as they collect it to us monthly instead of waiting for the settlement date and then paying us our funds. So this allows us to get the money sooner, allows us to get it into our bank account, invest it, and start earning interest on it. And this is, again, a piece that we pass every year, but we have to provide it to the county a passed legislation so that we can get those funds advanced throughout the year. So this would be for fiscal year 2027, which would be tax year 2026 collections.

All right. So is there any reason why we should not do second reading passage?

There is no reason from my perspective. I would be fine with that.

Okay. Finance Committee, are you good with second reading passage since we're requesting money?

I already wrote it down.

All right, very good. All right, so at the appropriate time, I'll make the motions on 2026 R44. The next piece of legislation, we have a second reading of 2026 R45. This is a resolution accepting the amounts and rates as determined by the Budget Commission, authorizing the necessary tax levies and certifying them to the county fiscal officer and declaring an emergency. And if you refer to Exhibit A, And Director Goodrich, if you could just walk us through this particular piece of legislation.

Again, this is another housekeeping item that the county asked for our council to pass. This is certifying accepting the rates. Our property tax is 2.4 mils. This is inside millage. And that goes to the general fund and the bond retirement fund. That amount has stayed the same since 2006.

And it is subject to homestead and property tax rollback.

So if somebody is eligible for homestead and property tax rollback, then we get reimbursed from the state for the amount that they save on their property taxes. So again, this is something that we do every year. We have to do it per budget commission for Summit County. and um is really a housekeeping item under what circumstances would that 2.4 mills change the city council has the ability to increase inside millage so it would be you know if city council chose to increase inside millage and to raise additional funds for the city of green

Okay, and what's the significance of increasing the millage? What would be the downstream effect of that?

Higher property taxes.

All right, and I would say that that's probably not a popular thing to suggest in any event, correct?

Yeah, and we are relatively low. In fact, last year I looked it up. We were the lowest in Summit County besides, I think, one other village. So the amount that the city is collecting in inside millage from our residents is very low.

All right, I'll open it up to questions. Anybody on committee have any questions about this? Anyone on council? Mr. Nijabaur.

Second reading passage requested.

All right. Mr. President, are you good with that?

Absolutely.

All right. I am as well. So at the appropriate time, I'll make motions on 2026 R45. The next piece of legislation and the final piece we have in finance this evening is a second reading of 2026. R46 is amended. This is a resolution modifying appropriations within certain funds in order to provide sufficient funding and declaring an emergency. And just to give council a heads up, we did receive an email today. with an amended exhibit A. So if you open it up in Granicus, the number is correct, but there was an account number that changed. Excuse me. And I'll just have Director Goodrich walk us through this exhibit A.

So in the general fund, we are requesting additional appropriations of $72,700. You'll see some of the amounts are rather small and therefore utilities because we are not going to be able to sufficiently pay our utilities through the end of the year according to where we are at. at this point in the year. The two largest amounts are you will see $34,000 for telephones and mobile in the central administration building. And that is due to a huge rate increase for some of our lines, including our elevator lines, as well as some additional costs associated with We actually charge fiber here as well. So additional costs associated with our fiber. We are analyzing that and going to be working to get in contact with the vendors to see what can be done. But at this point, I do need additional appropriation to pay the bills until we can hopefully work something out to get that amount reduced. But we are way over what we have paid the last couple prior years. But again, it is due to a rate increase. In law, you will see we've requested additional $35,000 for legal services. As you all know, we've had a lot of litigation this year as well as fact finding. And this is also to cover two additional months of the zip code lobbyists for the mayor's office. That money is coming out of this line item. So we are requesting an additional $35,000 in legal services to get us through the end of the year. And in finance, I'm just moving money from one line item to another line item in order to pay for a contracted services item that went up for a software. If we move down to the street construction maintenance and repair fund, you will see we are asking for $28,700 in additional funding. That is because one of the secretaries was part time in 2025. So when the payroll budget was prepared for 2026, it did not. Taken to affect that that person went full time. Um, so again, we're at this point in the year and we realized we do not have enough funding in that line item to cover that individual salary through the end of the year. So we're adding additional funding there. We are moving some money around. We're moving money from equipment and furniture to fuel, from concrete repair to fuel. As you can all imagine, fuel prices have been up this year, and so we need additional funding in that line item. They're also moving some funding from salaries department head, and this is due to the retirement of Jerry Britton, and he has not been replaced yet, down to repair snow and ice removal, and that is to, again, purchase more ice in preparation for the winter season and before the prices go up 15%, I believe 15% for next year. Down to Spring Hill Sports Complex. Again, we need additional funding for water. We are already at budget for the year, so we need additional funding for that. And then the ambulance fund, we requested additional funding for a new medic unit. The quote came in higher than what was budgeted by $17,784. So we need additional appropriation in order to get that ordered. and then contracted services at the beginning of this year we did not have a mechanic on staff in the fire department we had to outsource items that needed to be fixed to a third party and i had asked the chief to hold off on requesting additional funds until we got farther in the year to see if we needed it. And he is now stating, yeah, we need additional funds in that line item to get through the end of the year. But again, this was due to that vacant mechanic position, which was eventually filled, I believe in April or May. Cemetery fund, medical insurance, we did not have, we budgeted for different elections in this fund and because we prepared the operating budget before everyone does their health insurance elections and some individuals change their elections. So we need to appropriate additional funds to pay for medical insurance out of that fund. And then finally, in the income tax fund, there's no effect to this fund. We're just asking to move $30,000 from tax administrator salaries down to administrative fees. These are funds needed to cover the cost of collections for our collections law firm. They... have collected a lot of money for us and they send that to us. And then we are responsible for paying their collection fees back to them. And they've done very well this year, which is a good thing. But with that, we did not have enough appropriated to pay their collection costs at the pace that we are on for the rest of the year. So with that, the total for all funds is $141,184.

All right, so just a couple of questions. I'm just asking these so that we can educate the public in how all of this works. But when we're moving funds, I mean, it's obvious on some of these, we're not appropriating new money. It's money that is taken from one account and put into another, and we need to do that to account for that appropriately. And so that's basically a wash. It's money that was budgeted. We're not going over the budget for that particular amount. In the items that maybe were not budgeted for and we don't have an offset, obviously, as we get toward the end of the year, we'll have givebacks that kind of set that off. Do you have any sense right now where we're at in terms of the where we didn't have set-offs during the year, kind of where we're at with whether we're even, whether we're ahead or behind, with all of these, because at some point in time, it's hard to keep track where you are with these.

Well, I mean, I always, and the directors can attest, I'm always saying, where can we move budget? I would rather, I do not want to come to council and ask for new money if I can move money. But, you know, it's only effective within the same fund, you know, right? So looking in that fund and seeing where Things have not come to fruition that we can reduce the budget and then, you know, and then add the money like street construction, maintenance and repair fund. Right. We knew we had some money and salaries that we could move down to snow and ice removal. There's going to be give backs. They're not going to be as much as they have been in prior years, because I would say I really leaned on the departments to budget more. tighter last year. And that will continue to be, you know, the way that I manage going forward is, you know, we don't need to pad all of these accounts and then have a million dollars in give backs at the end of the year. I would rather come to you guys and ask for money when we need it to make things work. And so it's just a change in mindset, but there will, with any budget, there are gonna be liquidations that happen at the end of the year, things didn't happen, timing of things didn't happen right, you know, a job wasn't filled, you know, there's just gonna be things that happen that there is still gonna be funny. But as far as where we're at on that, I mean, I can definitely, I look at the trial balance every day and I can spot where there's gonna be areas we're giving money back. But in the areas that we're asking for new money here, there was no other area to take it from. Right.

So, so, and when that happens, just so, so people can kind of conceptualize this, where does that money come from? Is that coming from the operating reserve? Where, where in the, in the city finances is that pulled from in order to have that appropriation?

Well, the operating reserve is the balance of the general fund and the income tax fund. The other funds have an unencumbered cash balance. We never have them running so tight that they're down, that they don't have some unencumbered cash in the fund. Knowing that things are gonna come up throughout the year and we're going to have to encumber additional funds if something unexpected happens, you know, if the medic unit comes in higher than anticipated. So, you know, the only one that's really, you know, the general fund, the $72,700, but I anticipate you're going to have more givebacks in that fund when it comes down to year end. Utilities, I mean, they're... They're just unpredictable right now. I mean, you know, we can look at last year and try to predict where we're going to be at, but we don't know when all rates are going to increase and then some things come in under. So, you know, it's hard for me to steal from one utility account to another. And so I don't, but I guarantee I'll have some givebacks in the general fund at the end of the year.

Okay.

So, so I, sorry, I can't move money between the American only transfer up to 10,000 between line items. Um, so, you know, we do do some of that through mayor's transfers, but then if I move too much, I have to come back to city council on a supplemental.

Right. So just as part of the budgeting process, then each department or area within the budget would have some portion of an unencumbered cash balance that you know you're going to need to tap to pay for unanticipated expenses throughout the year?

Yeah, like law. I'm not going to steal budget from law to cover utilities. That's not fair to law, but they're all in the general fund. She twitched when you said that. So there will be givebacks out of the general fund at the end of the year. It's just that's a hard one because we all have a portion of the general fund. All the departments have a portion of the general fund. So it would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

All right, very good. Open it up to committee. Any questions or comments? Mr. Nijabara.

Yeah, just under the law, legal services, you're asking for additional $35,000. What was the original budgeted amount for legal services?

Let me pull that up. We did have it on the second quarter supplemental as well.

so this is the the second change and while you're looking um you mentioned that at least part of this relates to the zip code issue is is that What part of that goes to that attorney?

Thank you, Councilman. So to give you a little more background on that, a year ago, council approved a contract with a lobbyist who's been leading the legislative fight, if you will, in the Senate this year. Last year, it passed the House, and our contract runs out at the end of October. So there are two months left in the year, and our lobbyists and the lead cities are asking, can we extend the contract to the end of this year? Likely, we'll know by the end of this year, right, because that's when the legislative session expires. and this is our best chance we've ever had. This is the time to strike. May not happen again. The piece, to answer your question, that's relatable to that is $2,000. It's $1,000 a month, $1,000 for November, $1,000 for December.

So what's the balance then? Is it for other

Ongoing cases it's really related to union negotiations.

We had to hire counsel for the IAFF So if it's 2000 and also the apps me so if it's 2004 the zip code Lobbyist or whatever then it would be 33,000 would be allocated then to attorneys for those

Right, and those are cases where we have traditionally used outside counsel because of the conflict it creates for the law director. So those fired men and fired women and employees come to me for other issues within the city, like when they get a subpoena and have to testify or whatever have you. So it's not something that we have ever discussed really had our law director negotiating those. And then it, we know that it went beyond negotiations into the fact finding. And so those were those costs come from there. She mentioned litigation. We have had litigation, but really our excessive costs this year have been from those two things.

Okay, thank you. Director Goodrich.

Yeah, we budgeted $190,000 for legal services. And then we did add it on the second quarter. And now we're adding it on the third quarter. So that is an area that is just. Been higher than anticipated.

What was the ad in the second quarter? Do you have access to that?

Yeah, let me get this. And we added 45,000 in second quarter.

So we're at $270,000 budget right now for legal services? Mm-hmm. Okay, thank you.

Any other questions from committee?

Any on council?

Okay, so this is second reading on this piece of legislation, and we'll carry this over to the next meeting to deal with at our next meeting. Any items of old or new business to come before finance? And we will adjourn at 521.

Thank you, Mr. Humphrey. Our next committee to meet this evening is Environment and Parks, chaired by Mr. Neugebauer.

Thank you, Mr. President. All members are here this evening, myself as chair, our council president as vice chair, and Clark DeVitas is the third member. We have no items of legislation before committee this evening. Is there any old or new business for the committee? Okay, I know we have a resident, Pat Karleski, who would like to speak, and Pat, come on up. I'll state your address as 3878 Greenfield Road, for the record, so you don't have to duplicate that.

Okay, Pat Karleski, and once again I would like to compliment the Parks and Recreation for putting on the Senior Expo at Braintree. My friends and colleagues, and of course at my age now we're called old cronies, but... We always enjoy going to that because we get to meet with the various government departments and get a lot of information on health services, socialize a bit over the coffee and cookies, and I refresh my candy dishes and I get some small stationary supplies like pens and such. And a lot of good information, a lot of good socialization, which is what we need. And it's so well organized. I mean, I just stepped to the corner of the parking lot and the driver was right there to pick me up. They watch. They watch very good. So once again, thank you for putting on the Senior Expo. Really appreciate it. Good job. Keep doing it. Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs. Karleski. Director Carr, do you have anything to add from Parks or Service while we're in committee?

I think the mayor might mention this in his report, but I did leave everyone a brochure about the Corps. If you need more of those, please let me know. One of the things that I'm kind of finding out is sometimes Silver Sneakers members do not realize that they can be a Silver Sneakers member at any facility. So over the weekend, I ran into a couple that are Silver Sneakers members at the Y, And I explained to them, well, they can be a Silver Sneakers member at the Corps as well, and they might want to come. They like to walk outside, so I said you might want to come indoors and walk the track in the winter. So that's just little bits of information that we're trying to get out to let people know, particularly Silver Sneakers members, that they can belong to multiple facilities.

Okay.

So if you need any more brochures, let us know, and we'll get them for you to help promote the Corps. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Anything else come before committee? Okay, seeing none, we'll adjourn at 5.24 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Neugebauer. Our next committee to meet is Public Safety, chaired by Mr. DeVitas. Thank you, Mr. President.

Myself, Mr. Humphrey as vice chair, and Mr. Neugebauer are all present for public safety tonight. We do have one item on our agenda. It's a first reading item. This is 2026-R50, a resolution authorizing the mayor to apply for a safe community first responder program grant from Enbridge to purchase firefighting hose and declaring an emergency. This legislation does have a first reading passage request from the administration. I'll have our chief take the floor and tell us the nature of this grant request and how it's going to help our fire department.

Thank you very much. Yes, as you mentioned, this legislation seeks the authority to apply for a grant from Enbridge. It's called their Safe Community First Responder Program Grant, and it can be for up to $10,000. And the unique thing about this grant is that it is a full-on donation. There is not local matching funds that are required. um the reason for the first reading passage request is because the deadline to apply for the grant is friday september 11th so that's why i had to ask you for to consider first reading passage this is the second time that we've applied for this grant you may or may not remember i was here before seeking approval to apply for the grant we applied for some calibration stations for our guests our atmospheric monitoring equipment we were not successful that time but it is back and so we're going to attempt again the ten thousand dollars we are seeking 19 50 foot sections of two and a half inch hose so updating hose inventory that we have that we carry on the trucks that might sound familiar to you because in 2025 i was here seeking the ability to apply for a micro grant from AFG for that hose, and we were not successful with that grant. So we're employing the third time is the charm theory, and hopefully we can get this money and purchase that hose. But do you have any questions about that?

I don't really have anything significant to add. I appreciate, I thought your explanation was pretty thorough. Yeah, my biggest concerns with the deadline, the amount, And I guess just concerning the actual nature of the equipment we'll be receiving if this goes through, is this to replace out-of-service hose or stuff that's currently in use for frontline use and that'll go as like backup? What's kind of the plan?

So this will actually get, this will replace the hose that is currently on the tanker. So on the tanker, we actually have 16 sections. This is a request to purchase 19. So there is some extra hose that's in there. But those 16 sections, 200 feet are pre-connected. then the 600 feet is a dead lay. And that is our, so those are hose lines that we pull to do a fire attack. Um, and picture not necessarily the room and content kind of fire that size, but this is more storefront, uh, big box store, like Lowe's, that sort of thing, or, um, maybe more than three rooms in a house that are on fire. So it's to move more water. This is a great match. The improvement that this hose is, and we might have gotten into this, Mr. Noble, you might remember. I think we had a conversation about inside diameter and some things about flow the last time that this came up. But this hose allows us to move more water through the hose with less friction loss. It makes it not as heavy, which makes it more maneuverable. So smaller crew size can be more effective with a larger hose line, if any of that makes sense or resonates with you. So the hose is on the truck, right? They're doing it the same way that we've done it forever. This is an improvement. Without this money, we would still be making this improvement, but we just make it in much slower increments over time. FOR INSTANCE, LAST YEAR WE SOUGHT 23 SECTIONS FROM THE AFG GRANT. WELL, WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL, BUT WE DID PURCHASE FOUR SECTIONS. THIS TIME I'M ASKING FOR 19. SO THE DIFFERENCE THERE AS WE CHIP AWAY AT GETTING THAT REPLACED AND GETTING OUR TRUCKS IN SERVICE WITH THIS NEWER HOSE. ENGINE 2, ENGINE 3, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN REPLACED AND UPDATED TO THIS NEWER HOSE. THIS IS FOR THE TANKER.

I mean, that's pretty comprehensive. That's all of the questions that I had, personally. I think it's a good move. I appreciate you always seeking out grant money, and hopefully this goes through. I'll open this up to committee for further questions, comments.

I would just say I'm good with second reading passage. First. First reading passage.

Okay. Same. Any other comments? No other comments or questions. Thank you. Council, any questions, comments? All right. Thank you, Chief. Okay. Thank you.

We'll bring this up to a vote tonight.

Okay, that wraps up our committee. There's no other items on our agenda. Is there old or new business for safety tonight?

Mr. DeVita.

Mr. Brandenburg.

I just had one question. So there were a couple emails between the last meeting and this one that came in. One was an email about the cancellation of the FLOC contract between Summit County and FLOC. And then there was another one about a reimbursement agreement becoming irrelevant. And I'm just trying to understand, do we still have FLOC for a year, or is FLOC out? Because it was voted down.

Do you want me to answer, Mayor, or do you want to answer?

I mean, I would say that the council voted down the contract, so we have no reimbursement agreement. After that time, the Summit County Sheriff's Department reached out to us to say there might be an opportunity to continue the service for free. We actually, after discussing it with the law director, contemplated bringing legislation back to ask council if that was a changed circumstance that would make a difference in the final analysis. Before we could do that, Summit County informed us that that grant is no longer available. So the contract sits in a terminated condition as council has voted. I don't contemplate any further action on my part. The last conference that myself and Director Dean along with the Sheriff's Department had was we were contemplating they were going to remove the cameras. And I don't know if you've heard anything different.

So we got after that, we got an email copying us where county legal counsel for the Summit County Council. sent, Summit County, I guess, executive's office, sent a letter to FLOC terminating the contract and said, you know, you guys had voted it down, so it's terminated. When we talked to them on the phone, I understood, like, it's not our equipment. We don't own those cameras, so they should come get those. We haven't heard anything further, so I asked today, Are they coming to get the cameras? What are they doing? Interestingly, I think it was something just for you guys, because this is what we deal with all the time, is the reason there was the condition that was placed on the grant, which was that there should have to be a bidding for the equipment. And so... They argued, the lawyers argued it's a single source or sole source, whatever, and they didn't accept that. So I just think it's the kind of stuff that law department does for you guys all the time is make sure we're following all those regulations and we just do it automatically without thinking about it. But anyway, so that's what happened.

Okay, I appreciate the explanation. I just saw the two different things and they seemed to conflict each other and I just wanted to understand clearly where we were on that.

It was a moving target that ended with not going to happen.

Sure. Thank you. So, kind of piggybacking off the questions he was asking, I don't remember the exact timeline, but we had a lapsed contract when this was brought forward, correct? Correct.

Yes.

What was it, through like April or something? So what happened to those months of service? Did the county pay for those, or did we?

So, and Shelly could probably answer this better than I could. We believed the contract terminated in January. The county thought it terminated in June because of when we had started paying. We're looking at contract dates. They were looking at when we paid, okay? So right now, as of right now, they're not, they, after you guys voted, the county said well part of the contract allows us to wiggle out and get out so i don't believe we're going to owe anything we should have paid in full and i'm sorry i'm not more clear about that it's just because it that kept that kept moving also so so at least for everybody's understanding we haven't paid for anything

No, we have not paid anything this year for Flock. That's the thing. We paid for two years. And the last payment we made was in December of 2025. And we had not gotten a bill for the last six months. And they kept telling us that our contract was up in June. I'm like, well... Why aren't we getting billed? So, but we have not paid one cent for FLOC in 2026. We had money appropriated, but we haven't gotten a bill.

And then we got one invoice. I think you guys did see, because I wanted to make sure you were aware of. Then there was, and I can't remember, Shelly, you may remember this. Was it like all of a sudden they were like, you got to pay $84,000 all at once. And that was a little pressure coming from FLOC, I think. But that was not paid.

And then so I do appreciate that clarification. Secondly, I guess my own personal opinion would be please keep some sort of pressure on flock to get rid of these because without a contract, I don't have comfort knowing if these cameras are on where the data is going. There's no rules binding anything. So if we can get them down, at least while we don't have anything in writing, I'd appreciate it. Anybody else? Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Brandberg. Okay, that concludes our Public Safety Committee for tonight at 535. We're adjourned.

Thank you, Mr. DeVitas. Our next committee to report is Planning, Community, and Economic Development, chaired by Mr. Noble. Thank you, Mr. President. Myself, Mr. DeVitas, and Mr. Humphrey are all here this evening, although we don't have any items of legislation.

Is there any older new business for Planning, Community, and Economic Development?

Hearing none, we will not meet. Thank you, Mr. Noble. Our next committee to report is Rules and Personnel, which I chair. Myself, Mr. Mager, and Mr. Brandenburg are present. However, we do not have any legislation in front of us this evening. Is there any older unfinished business to come before committee? All right, hearing none, we will not meet. Next committee to report is, or to meet, is Transportation, Connectivity, and Stormwater, chaired by Mr. Mager.

Thank you, Mr. President. All members are present, myself, Mr. Brandenburg, and Mr. Noble. We do have one item before us that we will meet, and that is 2026-R43. It's a resolution concerning and cooperating with the State of Ohio Director of Transportation for the resurfacing of State Route 619, East Target-Foot Lake Road, and a portion of State Route 241, Massillon Road, in the current emergency. So as stated, this is a resurfacing project that encompasses State Route 619, otherwise known as East Turkey Foot Lake Road, from the west corporate limit to the east corporate limit, and a portion of State Route 241, otherwise known as Masson Road. from Coons Road to the southern corporate limit. What the city is being asked to do is participate in the cost of resurfacing of those roadways, limits at 20% of total cost to be responsible to the city, and then 100% for full and partial depth repairs. The City of Green further agrees, would agree to pay 100% of the cost of those features requested by the City of Green, which are determined by the State and Federal Highway Administration to be unnecessary for the project. Greene would also agree that change orders and extra work contracts required to fulfill the construction contracts will be processed as needed, and the state will not approve a change order or extra work contract until it first gives notice in writing to the City of Greene. The city agreement would further agree to pay 100% of the cost to install and or repair curb ramps and all necessary intersections to ensure compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act. So I know I gave a little bit more context or content here than we typically do on this, but I think it's important to kind of point out some of those nuances in this resurfacing project. So with that, I'll turn to our city engineer, Paul Pickett, to kind of give some more color as to what I just read in.

Yeah, so I'm kind of restating what you said, but the things that are 100% city are things that are not related to the pavement itself. It's a resurfacing program. So with the resurfacing, several of the intersections that have signals have loop detectors in the pavement. So, you know, we're likely going to replace those with radar detectors so we don't have this problem. recurring thing with the pavement. Plus, when the pavement deteriorates, sometimes the loops fail. So that's 100% us. The curb ramps themselves are 100% us, so if they're not meeting ADAH standards now, they'll have to be rebuilt to meet the current standards. And I believe that's the only items that are not eligible for the 80-20 split. And those will be all that money will be in the capital budget. The next year's capital budget, because the program doesn't happen until that budget would be in place.

Yeah, and based on the amount of money receiving from, I believe it's federal and state, it can help grade higher on the capital budget. or grading process because there's funds that have been contributed. Do we have any idea on the estimated cost of cities 20% or is that kind of just kind of wait and see?

Yeah, I think we have. Let's see if I have it in my summary here. I guess I don't, but I'll have to get back with you all on that because I know an estimate.

It's in the capital. Let me pull that up.

Thank you.

Just give me one second, but I thought it was. Eric, do you recall 7 AM?

This is actually being kicked to 2028. In our budget process, we've been looking for ways in which to look at some of our major projects that aren't strictly necessary for next year in order, frankly, to create funds for paving in our neighborhoods. And so we were able to have a breakthrough with the state of Ohio who determined that they could make this a 2028 project without endangering the project, without AFFECTING THE FINANCING WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE MORE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THE GENERAL PAVING PROGRAM. SO THIS CURRENTLY LAY, OKAY.

I guess I just want to point out, I appreciate the administration, just like Chief, finding alternative ways to get stuff paid for in the city, because I know that those line items keep adding up and finding unique and creative ways to get stuff paid for, so I do appreciate the city's work on that. With that, I'll open it up to the committee for any questions, comments.

Mr. Mayor. So if the timings change to 2028, then do we need to approve the design work now, or would that be something to be completed next year?

I don't think it's now, because they're not preparing the plans. And that's probably rolled into our share of the project.

Okay.

So to earmark the funds, they need us to approve it at the current time. Okay. And I know you mentioned some of the 100% city requested items. Do we have an idea of what the cost on those items is?

I don't have that. Okay. No.

Do you know if it's, is it less than a million, less than five million?

Oh yeah, it's less than a million for the city, 100% city items.

Okay, I appreciate that. That was really my only question was what were we thinking about and how large could it be since it's all us? What was the amount?

I'm sorry, I'm just trying to take a note there.

He doesn't know. I don't have the amount. But it was under a million. But it's under a million, yeah.

That's the city only. And do we have a rough ID on the 20% Shelly based on? Yeah.

BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE SECOND. 800,000.

THREE HUNDRED?

800,000. THANK YOU. MR. BRANBURG, ANYTHING ELSE?

NO, THOSE WERE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. FINANCIAL DETAILS. THANK YOU. OPEN UP TO COUNCIL AS A WHOLE.

MR. NUSCHEBAUER. MASSLAND ROAD SOUTH OF COONS IS PRETTY BAD. So waiting till 28 makes me a little nervous because that pavement's in bad shape. So I guess it is what it is. The decision's been made.

Maslin Road south of Coons?

Yeah.

This is for 619. It's also a portion of Maslin Road. Okay.

All right. So 619 from my, you know, the only section of 619 that gives me pause is the part that when they did the sewer project, they repaved and it probably wasn't as good as the original, but But Madison Road south of Coons is pretty bad. So two more years. Yeah, it makes it gives me pause.

I think they're combining it with the roundabout it down at Shufel. It's a listen, it's they're doing a roundabout construction. I think that resurfacing might be included with that. Timing wise.

And when will that be?

I'm not sure what year it is, but it's not next year. The telephone poles are up to 28.

So you're telling me they're going to pave them at different times?

No, I think yes, Maslow Rd. That section in the South I think is lined up with the when they do the roundabout down at Shoe.

The possible be next year.

I don't want to say it's not possible. I just don't know when it's scheduled for sure.

But 619 for sure is going to be 28. Yes, OK, and the funding. But the funding comes from this same legislation.

according to what I have it says portion 241 yeah okay yes there's this this legislation is not appropriating any money

Councilman Nugent-Bauer, I can get clarification for you.

My only recommendation would be don't wait on Massillon Road south of Coons if it wasn't clear. If we can, yeah. Yeah, understood. 619 is probably okay. Understood. Thank you.

I appreciate it. Frankly, you're not wrong, right? I mean, if we had unlimited resources, we would do all the roads at once. But we know that Grayville's happening next year, and so that's a chunk towards that project, and that money can't be moved. and so um when we look at the roads as a whole we're seeing some neighborhoods that need attention and so it's been a focus ours for next year to really lean into that and so i will check into your issue and see if we can work that out but from my perspective i think it's still the best move

And I guess I appreciate Mr. Ujabar's comments, but like I said, you know, finding additional revenue to do some of these other roads that you can't use for some other roads that are definitely needed, like Graybill Road, like the mayor mentioned. So I understand your concern, Mr. Ujabar, but...

I mean, from a structural standpoint, Graybill's actually in better condition than Massillon Road, South Lacoons. It rides rough, but it's falling apart on Massillon Road. There's a difference. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the challenge, though, is that, you know, it's ODOT's road primarily. We're paying a share, but they're deciding when to put it in their program.

I would just encourage them not to wait until 28. That would be my point.

Mr. Humphrey, you had your hand up.

I just have one question and one comment. The question is, on the 100% that is the city's responsibility, it talks about in the second paragraph under Section 2, we're responsible for 20% of the total cost and 100% for full and partial depth repairs. So can you just explain that? So do they determine that or does a contractor determine? where those full depth repairs have to take place?

It's a combination of, so first of all, they're going to mill the pavement off and then analyze the condition of the base pavement underneath. And so, you know, the city has a role in looking at that too, but ODOT's going to have inspectors that look at it and say, we recommend here the pavement's got to be removed full depth and that. So there's allocating a... general cost for they know there's going to be some things that wouldn't be fixed just by milling off the surface and putting it back.

So that's kind of already been worked into the estimate.

Yeah, it's just based on an estimate. I would say probably not even based on what they see on the surface, just an estimate of what is typical for a pavement like that.

Per lane mile. Yeah, right. Okay. And then my comment is I just thank the administration for paying attention to that, making sure that that happened with... the state of Ohio, because we have had people come in and talk about the condition of the roads in the neighborhoods, and I think it's important. So I appreciate the effort there.

Thank you. Anybody else on council? I guess just a quick comment. Mr. Pickett, as you're looking at Masson Road with the work that's going to be done around about there on Masson and Shuffle, if you could find out a time frame from that project in relation to the Graybill Road repaving, because I know it's, you know, being in my ward, making sure that we can properly detour people without having to hit two construction zones to get in and out of that part of the city would be great. So if you can find that out by our next meeting, I can bring it to the public's attention. Okay. Mr. Pickett, anything else of noteworthy for construction projects in the city?

Yes. So Southwood Drive, it's been under construction for a while now, should open by mid-September to late September to mid-October, probably more accurate. That's from the top of the hill headed east towards Tabs Drive. Butler from between Arlington and Kenway will close completely in late September or between late September and early October and open around Thanksgiving. So that'll be for the widening of that section as it relates to the Arlington Road project. And the current resurfacing program, the city's program is finished with the street paving, but there's still driveway aprons and lawn restoration to do. And that's everything.

Thank you, Mr. Pickett.

Mr. Pickett, you know, we had a discussion a couple months ago about Southwood from the roundabout to the west. Has that roundabout been completed now and there? Or is that the one you just referenced would be open in October?

You mean to the east, the one on the top of the hill? Or the one in Arlington?

I guess it's east of Arlington, but we...

I have a Jacob's Ridge.

Yeah, the roundabout, that's the only roundabout on Southwood right now. Is that open? And everything west, it's not open yet? That's the one that you're saying will be open in October?

Yes.

And then do we have a contractor for the next piece to the east then? That's still working on. And they're working on that separately?

That's what's being built now is from the roundabout to.

Is the roundabout open now?

No, there's times where people can sneak through, but it's not open.

Why is that not open?

Well, they haven't finished the paving on the other side yet, and they've got equipment up there. They still haven't finished all that work.

That was Cavanaugh's project. They started that last year, right?

Yes. I think they're doing the top pavement completely all at once. So Goldenwood Way comes up. So they're waiting to complete. They will pave everything. The goal is to have everything paved by mid-October, and it will be completely open.

So they were intentionally not finishing that until they did the other section?

Well, the surface course level will be done at one time.

Understood.

Yeah.

So the answer is yes?

Yes.

Okay. I was unaware of that. I thought they could complete the western portion.

So just so I'm clear, and for the report back to regular meeting is Southwood Drive from Tabs all the way to... GOLDENWOOD GOLDENWOOD I'M SORRY WE'LL BE DONE TO EARLINGTON AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO ARLINGTON IT'S JUST THAT WE KNOW ROUND ABOUT AT EARLINGTON YET OBVIOUSLY OKAY AND THEN THE BETLER ROAD CLOSING FROM SEPTEMBER TO LIKE AROUND THANKSGIVING IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE SINGLE LANE CLOSURES NO THAT THAT'LL BE A COMPLETE CLOSURE OKAY DURING THAT PERIOD BETWEEN WHERE AND WHERE

Well, the Kenway can what's their main interest? Yeah, from Kenway to tabs basically is where the detour is.

Briar Creek entrance, but the entry.

Yeah, the actual work is starting at Briar Creek, OK?

Alright, thank you very much. Anything else? Of older new business come for the committee.

Hearing none will adjourn at 5.51. Thank you, Mr. Mager. Our final committee to meet this evening is Intergovernmental and Utilities, chaired by Mr. Brandenburg.

Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Noble, Mr. Mager, and I are all available to meet. However, we have no items of legislation. Are there any items of old or new business? Hearing none, we will not.

Mr. Brandenburg, well, that concludes our committee meetings this evening, and we will be back here at 7 p.m. for our regular council meeting, and we are adjourned.