Planning and Economic Development Committee - Regular Meeting

Good evening, I'd like to call to order the City of Green Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for Wednesday, July 15th, 2026. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Ms. Anderson? Here. Mr. Burch? Here. Mr. Bishman? Here. Ms. Basher? Here. Absent is Ms. Chatzky and Mr. Daniels. Also present are summer intern Courtney Adam and our council liaison Jeff Noble. Thank you.

Okay, our first and only item on the agenda today is 26-14 Friendly Express Gas Station. Would a representative please come up, state your name and address for the record, and give a summary of your project.

My name's Jim Cursuto.

I'm the architect for this project.

Our address for architectural services is 2850 South Arlington Road, Suite 200, Akron. So thank you again for the opportunity to present the project. I'll do a quick overview of where we're at and how we got here. So this is at the property of the corner of South Main and 619. It's the old Rite Aid that's been closed for a few years now. Our clients here have purchased the property and are intending to build a new gas station and convenience store at this location. This is the site plan that was approved at the design review board meeting. kind of took a few left and right turns to get here. There were a number of changes that the planning department had requested to make this site function a little bit better and cleaner. And our client was gracious enough to kind of look at all the options and make adjustments as needed to satisfy those concerns. Essentially the biggest item that had changed from the original submittal was the owners agreed to demolish the 20 foot of the existing building that faces Turkey Foot to gain additional circulation for the gas pumps and canopy. So that bought a great deal of additional circulation At one point we also had a drive-through window on the west side of the building that was eliminated, therefore kind of eliminating all the stacking spaces and other coordinating circulating spaces around the building. So the overall intent is to take just over 6,000 square foot of the existing remaining building and have that as the convenience store. And then out on the south side between it and Turkey Foot, we have six gas pumps, a canopy that measures 40 by 94. And we've provided enough parking. I think when we ran the numbers through zoning requirements, we needed 20 parking spaces. We currently provide 24 at the front of the building. There were nine existing spaces in the back. We've added One additional here as well as eight additional on the north side of the building to accommodate a future tenant space So I think in total we were required to have 29 parking spaces. We ended up with I think 42 So as far as site changes. We are still using the primary existing drives both off of Main and Turkey Foot. There's also a main drive to the plaza here on the north side of this building and an access drive that's shared between other tenants in this development. So all those are being maintained. Um, we're not encroaching on any other buddy, any other. Property lines, uh, we request no variances as part of this project. Um, all our setbacks for the, uh, gas pumps, the canopy. We've met those requirements. Um. We're not building any additions any closer to the property line. In fact, again, we're cutting back 20 foot of the building to accommodate some additional circulation. We are adding a new monument sign out here at the corner. It's roughly in the same location as the original Rite Aid sign that still sits there. And I believe we met all those square footage requirements as well. We've proceeded with some of our civil drawings. We've also done a couple different turning radius auto turn studies of the site to make sure that both the tanker truck for the gasoline supply uh... has a way in and out of of the sites without interfering with traffic or encroaching on other people's property so we we've definitely shown that we've got a path through the site uh... we've done other studies where we even have something if we were going eastbound on turkey foot that we could still turn into the space so i think there's multiple options there uh... the other auto turn study was with a pickup truck and a boat trailer uh... because of the area obviously that could be a reliable client source for the owner here uh... so we made sure we had ample room to turn in and around, especially on the interior pump areas. We figured the exterior or the perimeter pumps would have much easier access than the interior. So we've kind of, we've been able to demonstrate that we can meet those qualifications. Let's see. As far as storm water management on this site, originally there was a swale that was intended to be designed kind of both off of Main and Turkey Foot. It does not appear that it was constructed in that manner, so we came in with some underground storm detention tanks system to accommodate that. Overall, we've probably added 2,500 to 3,000 square foot of impermeable surface as part of this project just to provide some additional drive lanes and space to move around the building. From a landscaping standpoint, there were three existing deciduous trees, or I'm sorry, four. The three along Turkey Foot will be removed to accommodate both pavement and the underground storm detention system. Two of those are in kind of rough shape anyway. And so we've kind of replaced that with a series of evergreens, some barberry, viburnum, That type of plannings. We also carved out a little bit of a landscape bed up against the building there where none exists currently to add some greenery and some impervious surface there. We also provided a pedestrian walkway access point to the sidewalk on South Main. We're using some landscaping, kind of these taller arborvitae to kind of create a gateway visual point of entry into the site for pedestrians. And we added some additional... uh landscaping up on turkey foot because of the underground tank we were getting rid of the existing trees so we were just trying to accommodate and provide a little bit more screening up there as well and then of course we provided additional landscaping around the sign itself We've put together a preliminary store layout. This hasn't been finalized, but we wanted to at least make sure that it would work within the framework of the remaining building. Again, this back area will be for future tenant development at some point. Nobody's been selected or been discussed to this point. As far as the exterior improvements, we're pretty much trying to reuse as much of the existing materials or replicate the existing materials as we can. Obviously, on the west side of the building, the majority of this is remaining. We're recreating kind of the south facade facing Turkey Foot to mimic what was there, plus we're creating a new covered entry. into the convenience store. We have some full height glass over here by kind of an indoor seating area that's in coordination with their food options that they provide at this location. The rest of the building is pretty much as is. On the back of the building currently is a covered drive-through for what was the original Rite Aid. Until we get a tenant in place, we're not going to develop a scheme until we know who or what company may go in there. As far as the canopy itself, the intent is to go with BP as the gasoline provider at this location. So we created brick bases for each of the steel columns. Again, using the brick to match what the existing building has. And then we're using green, not only on the building canopies, but also on the signage. This gives you a good representation of what the intent is for the sign. Monument sign at the corner. Again, BP, Friendly Express. And then a small electronic sign and a couple price indicator signs. And then on the edge facing the intersection, we have our address.

Let's see.

These are just existing photos of the site, if anybody couldn't remember or wanted a refresher of what's there. We're obviously getting rid of the large tower at the corner, going with a more centralized entry on the south facade. And then we've also done a lighting plan, photometric plan. I think we're only limiting ourselves to three or four pole lights, all 20 feet or under. Obviously, a new light source will be under the canopy itself. So that's kind of where we're at on the project. Any questions?

We're going to do a staff report first.

Oh, sure.

Okay. So you're probably all familiar with this site. It's located at 4053 South Main Street, obviously the old Rite Aid facility there. So to kind of confirm what Jim was saying, yes, this actually went through our design review board several times, and we kind of honed in on what we have tonight, and it certainly showed a willingness to do what was kind of right for this site and to our actions to proceed with this project. So I think they're They're looking to do this right and do the best they can here. So it's about a 1.76 acre property there. It's zone B1. And the convenience store, which is a retail, and the gas station use are both permitted uses in that B1 zone. The removal of the front portion of the building reduces it by about 1,700 square feet, I would say. So we got about 6,200 square foot for the Family Express, Friendly Express. store and then the future office space about 3 400 square feet there there was talk of what to use that future space for there was talk maybe a restaurant or i think we probably would have let down maybe some retail because of the the parking requirement for a restaurant kind of exceeds what the site can handle here so Some other things that really improved things was the removal of the drive-through facility, which was part of the Rite Aid plan, which also included use of the property to the east, some easements that were needed and things like that. So this becomes more of a standalone kind of a site now with no reliance on any kind of movements over onto the east property, property to the east there. Another thing that really worked with us on was the location of the underground storage tanks for the refueling area. That kind of went back and forth several different places. And per the removal of the building and allowing some maneuverability up front there, they were able to arrive at the location there in the corner there of the site. And with the auto-turn studies, it kind of shows... ability for the vehicles to move in and service that area there. As far as the building goes, yeah, we're trying to match what's there with colored brick and we're adding some green metal accents there and adding some new windows and entryway as was shown there. Should kind of sort of resemble. What's what's already in place there? As far as parking We do find them be in compliance when you factor out some storage areas dealing with the square footage yet, but they get a little bit of a reduction and then parking that's needed there, so parking up front and then you have parking in the back for that for future use and The, I understand some employee parking will be up in the front area there?

That's correct. Where the underground tanks are located, we didn't want to pin in any potential customers, so we designated these six parking spaces for employee use only, and we have some signage that indicates that.

Okay.

So as was mentioned here, the existing ingress-egress drives, you have two that come out onto the public roadways. You have one that goes to the north and goes to the access drive of the plaza up above there to the north. You have some pedestrian walkways that have been connected to the public sidewalk there on the South Main Street side. We also have a future connection there for the future of tenant space there to the north. So that should help out with some mobility there with folks living across the street, and hopefully that'll get utilized. Photometric plan's been provided. Cut off fixtures 20 foot height overall, which meet our code, and light containment within the site, which is acceptable per our standards. The ID sign has been mentioned. It was about the same location as where the Rite Aid sign used to be. the four different sections with the gas fuel price readouts, the LED message board, and the identification portions there. They do have a bonus for the square footage on the side. They have actually a 60-foot maximum because of the large frontage along South Main Street. So they're just, I believe they're at 58 square feet there with that. And the components that include the LED do meet our code for percentages and square footage and things like that. Overall height is just below 10 feet, which is also compliance. So as a redevelopment project, the overall grading land disturbance would be pretty much minimal. As was mentioned, there will be underground storage now at this site to take care of that. The Impervious surface ratio is right there at 75%, which is our maximum. So they kind of, they did add a few areas around the building to add some pervious areas there. So like I said, they're right there at the 75%. So they should be good. So as mentioned, the design review went through this and made a favorable recommendation on this plan, as you see here today, based on the kind of the revolution of the the discussions and the plans as they went through that board. Engineering, there's a few comments related to stormwater runoff and management calcs and things like that, so we're just looking for that to come in. And just waiting on some comments from our fire department to see if there's anything they find concerning there, too. So with that we feel like this proposal now addresses a major circulation Concerns that were identified during initial review and provides a functional site layout that complies with city's development standards We think the project represents a significant investment in the project and property there and it gets it back into a useful condition and We think this area probably probably could use a gas station and So with that, we'd recommend a conditional approval. That would be contingent upon final engineering approval. And then if there's any fire concerns that they meet those as well. As far as the freestanding sign, we would recommend approval of that too.

Thanks, Tom. Any questions from members of the commission?

I got some. So as far as being the retail guy on the board, There's not a lot. My retail demand for green is up here, and the supply is down here. Gotcha. We're running out of supply on Massillon and Arlington Roads. It's not at South Main Street yet, but it's coming. And this intersection, where I think a gas station is good use for it, this intersection is the gateway to that South Main Street. My concern is the tenant for the space. not being occupied by the convenience store. I don't think this is the first operation that the owner has like this. Is that correct? Am I correct in saying that? He's got other stores like this? That's correct. Okay. And then the other ones have like restaurants in them, correct?

Mm-hmm.

Okay. Yeah. So the importance, I guess my point is I'm okay with a restaurant. the last thing i want to see the city of green and that gateway to south main street is a bar gotcha i don't want to see a bar yeah all right and i'm all for the restaurant i mean you got the premier corner you are at the gateway of south main street and it's coming there eventually it's not there yet but it's coming and this is going to help Um, that was my only concern. So, I mean, with that being said, so our code reads, right, so, and I'm sure you're aware of this, um, for motor vehicle fuel stall services, four vehicles per 1,000 square feet plus, uh, pumps, so you're at 33 spots required, you have 42. We're set. That tenant, you put a restaurant in there, now you're going to need additional parking.

Yeah, and we did have that discussion previously, and we looked at it. There is this area to the north that is just lawn space currently.

And I understand there's costs involved in that. Correct.

Would you like to say something?

State your name, please.

My name's Larry Kane. I'm the owner of Friendly Express. And the restaurant thing, we do have restaurants

Can you hold the mic a little closer so we can catch you? Thank you.

We do have restaurants in our other stores. There are restaurants that are inside our store. We don't have a tenant space with restaurants that have other stores. It's all on our property. So this year, and the way I was understanding when I was talking to Tom and Wayne, that And even though the board president, what we do, if we do something in this future development area, that's got to go back between you for you guys anyway. Sure. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah. So you guys would have to approve what we want to put in there. Sure. So that makes you a little bit more, hopefully, feeling good about it. So we have champ's chicken. And that's in our stores. That's our franchise we got in there. That'd be great. That's the restaurants that we have.

That'd be awesome. I just didn't want to see a bar.

We don't have bars. Okay. I'm good.

Does that help? Yes, it does. Yes. Just an important location right now in our city. Sure. No, I understand.

I just wanted to acknowledge that we did receive an email expressing some concern from a previous longtime resident. There was concern about the effect on the Bueller's store. Obviously that person couldn't be here tonight, but I did at least want to acknowledge that we did receive that and take that into consideration. And I also just wanted to ask, it did include a picture of the dumpster and it says that you guys are going to maintain the dumpster enclosure as is, is that correct?

Yeah, it's primarily, well, three sides are masonry. I think we would certainly be able to touch up or replace the gates. I think those are definitely in rough shape.

Yes, that was my question. If it could be updated, painted, stained, something like that, just to maintain the aesthetic with the rest of the building.

Yeah, we, I guess, haven't kind of evaluated it to see if it was structurally sound. If it is, we would certainly clean it up and paint it. If they look like they're in bad shape, we'll replace them.

Okay, thank you. Sure.

Any other questions for members of the commission? Any questions for members of the audience?

Thank you. Appreciate you guys being here tonight. But this site has been sitting vacant for quite some time and I'm pleased to see that somebody has taken an interest in it. Following this a little bit behind the scenes because it's in my ward and so very interested in what what's happening here. I do agree that a gas station at this location will be successful. It's much needed. The changes that have been made to the plan as it's evolved over time have been helpful. I think what I didn't want to see was a very compressed parking lot like some of the other gas stations that you guys are owned or are familiar with, right? And so, I think the demolition of the building and giving more space is important to this location. And you've alluded to it in, in what you've presented in the sense that this is a prime location in the summertime for boat fueling, right? And so the ability to be able to get in and out of the site effectively for people that are both coming down 619 towards Old State Park or on South Main Street is important. So I'm happy you've addressed it. I am interested in understanding if you're gonna sell rec fuel at this site or not. You are gonna have a rec fuel, so the records show that. I think it's important consideration for this area. We've got a number of gas stations in the area. but they either don't have wreck fuel, they're hard to navigate, all the things that are associated with making them challenges for people with people pulling boats around, and so pleased to see that. I'm interested in your operating hours.

I Larry can again only for annual express we're going to plan on operating from five a.m. to eleven p.m. because we do a big breakfast business with her breakfast sandwiches and coffees and stuff like that and especially in the summertime construction workers are there on their way to work so we get open early in the lakes obviously eleven o'clock is not that late in the summertime in the lakes. But we're not a 24-hour operation.

So what happens to the canopy after closing? Are we dimming the canopy?

We leave usually two to three lights on the canopy for security, and the rest of them are shut off.

Okay, I think Mr. DeTiro indicated that we're using cutoff fixtures in this location. I will say that as this evolves, I can very much see the Forest Cove condominium, people across the street having concerns about the lighting. We've got some other... businesses in this area that don't have cutoffs that when you're mixing closely back and forth. So we'll watch that. I think the cutoff fixtures should help that. Dimming at night after operating hours should help that. But I just want to just make you aware that that I would expect to receive phone calls about this eventually, and there might be some conversations that...

I'd say Tom or any of you, if you have calls, give me a call on anything, and we'll address it. Obviously, we want to make our neighbors happy. They're our customers. So if anyone ain't them, they ain't coming to us.

Absolutely. I will say that on city council, the... liquor permit came before us at the last council meeting. We went through our administrative process regarding that permit, which means we didn't request a hearing on the permit. So it's going through the process. We've cleared the hurdle from city council's standpoint from administratively. But in the course of having that conversation, one topic that did come up was hey, we have a moratorium on vape stores in this city and we don't wanna see any vape products in this store. And so that was a conversation that was had with city council with our moratorium. We'll leave it to legal, uh, the law department to understand what we can and cannot do. But I just want to express to you to this group that that conversation among council is, hey, we're not really interested in. And a bunch of eight products we've already we've already put a moratorium on them. We don't want, um. We don't want to see people coming in and adding to a problem that has been perceived within the city already.

We're a long way from a vape store. That product line is probably less than 1% of our sales. They're behind the counter. They're age-restricted, 21 and older. We don't have no signs in our windows. We just have a few of them for our customers who want them. We don't promote them. I understand what you're saying.

I'm just relaying you what that conversation is. I don't know what we can legally do about the whole situation. related to the moratorium, but that was the conversation that was had, and there may be more to come on that topic.

We have plenty of discussion. We're open to that, whatever you guys want to do.

And then my last comment, and Mr. Bishman sort of alluded to it, this is prime intersection in our area, and When Rite Aid was there, they did a really good job of maintaining that facility. They cut the grass. Right now, it's full weeds. The sidewalks and curbs aren't edged. It's just not... being maintained to the level that I, as the councilman in that area, would like to see. I agree. We've got adjacent properties working the way up Main Street that are suffering from the same challenges. And as we get new facilities in here, we would like to see the level of maintenance at these facilities raised to sort of help maintain facilitate, hey, the next guy not wanting to be the bad guy, right? Not, you know, it's like, hey, they're doing such a good job here. You know how it is. And so we have a little bit of a dynamic here. We're making a big investment. I'd like to see weeds gone, the sidewalks edged, the curbs edged, right? And some ongoing maintenance in this corner to help facilitate really what we're hoping we can turn into a more sustainable prominent Lake District. There's other things going on in this area. We'll see how different things shake out over time, but we appreciate the investment. So that's all I had. Thank you, Ms. Anderson.

Thank you, Mr. Emerald, for that background information as well. I have a quick clarification question for the planning department. For the future tenant space, if it's a permitted use, would we see that?

Not necessarily. Let's say they want a retail space in there. They would get a build-out letter from us that goes with some kind of building departments. So we will evaluate the use, make sure there's still, you know, the parking is sufficient and things are, you know, you guys are improving this whole project. So whatever goes in there just has to meet the use codes and parking and things like that. So we would check that.

Okay, so we would likely only see it if they needed a variance.

Only if, let's say, they were going to put a building addition on or something, you guys would see it. But as the footprint stands here, we would just look at what's going on in that shell, you know.

Thank you for that. Any additional questions for members of the commission?

Just a comment, Ms. Anderson. That's my really only concern about this project. We're kind of restricting that extra tenant space to office type right now. That's the only way the parking's gonna fit unless we make another investment in that grassy area. And I think then we would see the project if it includes more parking. acreage, right?

I think with the future use, I think they were okay. I think they needed 18 spaces for the future.

But if you want a restaurant in there.

Restaurants, that's why I think the discussion in DRB and all that, and they've actually reduced that area from the time they came in originally. So I think we've kind of maybe thrown out the idea of the restaurant use there. So that ship has sailed? I think so, yeah.

Unless we gave them a variance. On the parking requirement, correct?

You would have to have a variance on that. To add parking, you'd have a variance on the impervious surface as well because they're right at 75%.

So a variance to be below the minimum of parking or a variance for the impervious surface.

That's my only concern. I think your project as it stands now is a good project and it's a great project in that spot for the city, but we're restricting the other side of it and that just bugs me a little bit.

Would somebody like to make a motion?

I would love to make a motion. I would recommend approval contingent on the final engineering approval of the plans. the applicant's addressing of any fire concerns, the approval of the proposed freestanding identification sign as submitted, and then I would like to add a D5 liquor license be restricted for the future tenant there. Everybody in the bar.

Is there a second? I'll second. Can we get a vote?

Mr. Bushman?

Yes.

Mr. Escher? Yes. Mr. Birch?

Yes.

Ms. Anderson? Yes. I think it's legal. Yes.

Thank you for your time. We're looking forward to this.

I think it's a great idea. We'll put it in there.

Okay. Next up on the agenda is unfinished business. Do we have any?

Yes, sir.

Yes. Then next is approval of the minutes from June 17th, 2026. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes?

Motion for approval.

Second.

Second.

Can I get a vote?

Mr. Birch. Yes. Mr. Bishman. Yes. Ms. Thrasher.

Yes. Ms. Anderson. Yes. Next up, director's report.

When we see he's not here, he's on a vacation, much needed. Planning department report. He's not allowed. So we're probably going to meet next month. Correct. Yeah. And we don't have any other updates.

Okay. Yeah. Sounds great. Mr. Noble, do we have a council report?

I guess first and foremost. I just want to report I'm assuming you probably know it by now, but City Council approved land development for the horse farm. I can't remember what we were calling it.

We know what you're talking about.

It was approved four to three. So just so you know, myself, Mr. DeVitas, and Mr. Spate voted against it. The other four councilmen voted for it. So it did pass four to three. There was lots of discussions about it in general. And as you guys know, I have strong thoughts about this. And It's got to come through again with final plat stuff. I'm going to offer at some point some improvements, what I consider to be improvements, and I know there were lots of discussions about site, but I do wanna make a couple comments just holistically. It's related to that, but it's sort of a beef that I had. I think everybody is following what is going on with the Twinsburg explosion and the following happening with them suspending all operations of directional drilling in the city of Greene and many of the other locations throughout Summit County related to the dangers associated with the explosion. the activities of directional drilling. And the reason I bring it up is we also had, we also got a notification from the fire chief. I'm sure most of you got your notification for the fire chief where they had a shelter in place that happened in green. weeks before that, at South Main Street, just behind Schaefer's because of the exact same thing, they hit a gas line. So this is prior to the Twinsburg thing. And so there was a shelter in place thing that went out for those people. And there's a lane back there that is the one way in one way out lane, right. And so those people that live back there have previously come to me and said, Hey, really interested in a second way out of our lane, right? This is a remnant of a day gone by, I think it's Hedgewood is what it's called, I think is the name, but I could be wrong. So with the new development that's happening in New Franklin, there's actually an opportunity or a potential exit into New Franklin at the backside of the golf course. So that lane works its all the way back. But that shelter in place thing that happened, combined with what happened in Twinsburg, highlights what I've been harping on for many, many years about our planning of these developments and making sure we have two ways in and two ways out for everything that we do and what happened is we had the tornado previously now we have these are the things that happen and I feel obligated to remind people, people that make decisions of these things, so when these things come before us, that I have other people that support my thoughts on it that say, hey, we shouldn't be doing this, we shouldn't be creating, we shouldn't be trapping people under development because That's what the development looks like, right? And in the case of the horse farm, we have an emergency access that's part of the plan now. But that emergency access really should just be a road connection. But what happens is, and we saw it for those of you who were in a part of Jacobs Ridge and Spring Hill. Originally, they wanted to connect Spring Hill to Jacobs Ridge, and those people up at the top there, they didn't want it. We want to live on our cul-de-sac. We have this dynamic that always has happened is the people, they don't want strangers in their development or they don't want, you know, so you have like these two schools of thought where until something happens, you want to be secluded in space. into the back. And so, in many cases, we've relented. We've relented on Spring Hill for the upper thing and connected across. In this case, for the horse farm, we've got an emergency access that's back there. But it's not just about emergency access. It's just about people being given multiple options to get places. on a day-to-day basis. We shouldn't be forced to go out there and have emergency services come out and open the gate so people can get out, right? They should just have options. And so these things that have happened recently here in our city and in Twinsburg highlight the reason that it's important to not trap people in cul-de-sacs or in one way in, one way out subdivisions because You know, when there's a house fire and emergency services blocks the streets and somebody in the back can't get out because they're having a heart attack or whatever it is, these things, they actually do happen. And you start to see them over time. So, you know, I just, I'm... I'm going to harp on this over time because I believe in it, and I'm just leaving you with this as a thought because every time I see an instance of the reason that I've been harping on it, I just want to point it out because some people care about it, some people don't care about it, and I'm saying this is why we should care about it. So yeah, so we'll see what happens with that development. I mean, it was approved and it's moving forward and hopefully they can make some other minor adjustments to lot shapes and things like that to make it better as things move forward. But we'll have 100 new houses coming to Green eventually here. So that's that. We do have a public hearing scheduled related to the drive-through criteria. Um, I know that there was a lot of conversation on this board about that. I haven't had a chance to go back and, and, um, look at it yet. Um, Wayne had mentioned there was just, there was some conversations about whether it's, whether the inside lane needs to be, have an escape route versus the outside lanes and the dynamic of that. So I'll, I'll be, I'll be digging into that as, as the, um, as that piece of legislation moves forward.

Yeah, can I, I'll add something to that since I think that I've raised that concern of just it not being super clear in the I guess, legislation or code, whether a lane was required for both drive-through lanes or just one additional, you know, one additional, I guess, emergency access lane for folks to get out. Because obviously if you're in that inside lane, there's two lanes, you're still trapped no matter what. So it just wasn't clear, I think. And then I don't know if I...

I was having a conversation with her about a similar thing. It's not specific, but it's like we make code, and the code is not perfect, and we're trying to accomplish things in the code. This was in front of me, and I had looked at it. I was aware of it, and I think most of you know some things that have happened. We had an incident in Green at Taco Bell a couple years ago, and then we had the incident that happened up in, I guess, Stowe that happened. I was on vacation with my family, a week ago or two weeks ago, whatever it was, and we stopped at a McDonald's with a two-lane drive-through, and I pulled into the outside lane of the drive-through. It was busy, right? But the inside lane was the inside lane where there was less cars, and so I immediately jumped over, and my wife says to me, you should have not gone into that lane. And she's like, tell my daughter, who's getting ready to turn 16, right, you shouldn't be in the inside lane, right? And explaining to her why she shouldn't be in the inside lane, right? And it's like, okay, so we as a family are having this conversation. It's the same conversation that we're kind of sort of having with the city, is how far do we go with this? You know, you can't prevent everything. occurrence of the stuff, we could come back and say, no, we don't want two-lane drive-throughs, period. You need to be able to, for everybody that's in that line, have a safe way out, right? But the industry is pushing two-lane drive-throughs, right? That's what the industry is doing. I don't know what the answer is here. I haven't dug into it, but I thought it was... The whole conversation is an interesting conversation on... how restrictive of a policy we should set as a city on the topic of the inside lane in this case, right? Because even if you have an outside lane, to your point, Mrs. Anderson, you're still trapped on the inside lane if the occurrence happens, you know, whatever it happens to be. So, yeah, it's good to talk about. It's good. I think we're, you know, at least making some progress on policy on helping the situation. I'm assuming we'll pass what you guys have approved, but it's all interesting conversation, and these things will evolve over time. You'll probably see more of these types of things as we move forward. I feel like I had something else, and I don't remember what it was. So I guess that's it. That concludes my report. Thank you for everything you do.

Thank you, Mr. Noble. Can I get a motion to adjourn?

So moved.

All in favor?

Aye.