Planning Board - Regular Meeting

of the Grafton Planning Board to order this. We don't have anyone on the internet, so we don't need a roll call. First item is public input. If anybody has anything to talk to us about that's in our purview, it's not otherwise on our agenda, now is your time to raise a hand either here or out on the web internet. I see no hands. First item approve or next item uh approve not required under subdivision control ANR 2026-14 to Greeny Drive. Uh Thomas anyway

we do not have a complete application on that. So that's going to have to wait till next time. How long is it till our next meeting? Uh, it's supposed to be April 20th, but we're changing it because there's a holiday to April 27th. My The point is, has the clock started for approving? Because it's not ac if it's not complete, I said it wasn't acceptable. So, the clock hasn't started. The clock starts with a complete application. Well, uh, yeah. I'm not quite sure though whether does the clerk get involved on that one. You give it a date. You give it the the the filed date.

I attemp I assumed that we would be ready to go on and I put it in. Yeah. Out of an abundance of caution, but we're not. When someone goes to the court and says we failed to approve in 3 weeks, um 20 days, um the date they look at is one that the planning department put on not one that put on it. It was not accepted. It wasn't stamped. It wasn't accepted. It wasn't stamped.

Okay. So, I guess that we can pass over that or not even table it. Pass over. Forget it. Um, discussion items. 25 East Street special permit 2024-11 spa. Mr. Chairman.

Yes. I put that on the agenda. Um that piece of property is uh um is for sale and um it doesn't appear that they've done anything uh on the property uh in accordance with the special permit that was issued. Um, so I I'm just wondering, you know, should we contact the building department to have them review the site and take a look at it? Specifically, there's a driveway on the right hand side of the building that was supposed to be abandoned and that is not abandoned and that piece of property is being sold as a two family house. Um, the garage is is being sold as a separate and during the special permit process, we we did separated off all those things. we separated off the pond. They're selling the pond for $100,000. They're selling the the the garage for I can't can't remember. Um but it doesn't appear that they've done anything uh on on that at all. And uh uh and I don't remember, you know, in the special permit what we had or what we talked about as far as vehicles on on site, but there's in the real estate pictures there's 17 vehicles on site. Um, so, uh, I just wanted to get that forwarded over to the building department to make sure that, you know, they conform to the special permit. Somebody who buys the house is may be surprised. Um, so, um, there's a common driveway there to get to both pieces of property, and that other that other driveway is abandoned.

I I drove by, I only got to, you know, see it as I I drove by. I it looked like there was some paving going on of the large area although I wasn't sure it was all the paving that was supposed to be yeah I done again and there were supposed to be borings I don't remember whether the borings were done um a couple other things uh are you suggesting that the special permit expired without uh um substantial uh you know that that they have one year to

No, all I'm saying is is is contact the building department and just have them look at the piece of property, compare it to the special permit, and then just say, "Look, you got to do this, you got to do that, you got to do this." I'm not saying take away your permit. It's Yeah. It's just more have the have the zoning enforcement offer Yeah. uh officer check for compliance, proper compliance with the special purpose. Yeah, pretty much that's it. Said someone might want to pass on any concerns they know about.

Mr. Chair, um so the building department is very aware of it. Um the special permit although it was recently recorded, it had expired so it is invalid. Um the ANR however was recorded and um from what I understand the assessors and the building department have an issue with that building department recommended that the ANR be rescended which technically it can but um since it's not really um we approve it as an approval not required under subdivision control law. So it's kind of a How do you resend? You know what I mean?

So, technically we can resend it, but it's not really what did it what was the requirement in order to be able to record it as an ANR? I've forgotten exactly what the issue was. Yeah, I don't recall. I do remember that the building department said that the um the special permit should have been recorded first and then the ANR afterwards. So it they really needed to start work because now it's being sold as a building with a Yeah. as a lot with a building on it.

Did it say the ordering um the ordering of the ANR after the special permit or the spe which order I understand that the special permit should have been recorded first and then the ANR. Right now the ANR is recorded and the special permit is invalid. May maybe we should agree to advise the zoning enforcement officer that concerns have been raised here about it and Yeah, one of

we're, you know, it's been suggested that we refer the matter to her. Yeah. One of the notes I have from this project's common driveway planner memo from Fiona when the point does say the decision will be conditioned upon ANR approval by the board and potential approval by the conservation commission which that alone suggests that ANR needed to be done first from my quick read but my you said ANR approval by the board and potentially approved by Concom. Yeah. Well, I don't know about what Kongcom did, but um we did approve the ANR. Yes.

So, them off and so they submitted it together. If abandoning the accessory structure, the decision must reflect the that and the ANR may be approved. If not, the ANR cannot be granted. So, I think I'm in agreement that we need to recommend it to the zoning enforcement officer, get input. I think if the town staff's recommendation is that we resend the ANR, we should have that on our one of our upcoming agendas along with a my opinion is a legal council opinion on what what is the process for doing that properly. How do you re I don't think that we've ever uh undone an ANR. I

I don't recall that ever coming up before. Yeah, I I did like a very very cursory look into that and yeah, supposedly can be done, but yeah, I I don't know and I think that would be a a matter for legal counsel to help advise us properly. You could do something that goes on the record at the registry of deeds or where where that's where the ANR goes to, right? that says this should be attached and it says this ANR was conditioned upon bind blah blah blah and that didn't happen so at the very least it's questionable you know anyway

okay yeah so do you need anything more from us no I mean building is very aware of it there it's it's kind of like who doesn't you know wouldn't hurt since it's come up Let let her know that the the the board is aware of the issues and uh encourages the the appropriate people to find a way to resolve any questions. Not sure exactly how I would put it, but all we can do right now is just say, "Yeah, there's something here that we think needs to be looked into."

Yeah. Yeah. And it was raised as a concern here um in addition to any place else that might you know pop up but it popped up to them. Some some projects in some places are always nothing is ever easy, right? Um at least in some cases. All right, it looks like we have no bills. Looks like we have no minutes staff report.

Um, very brief. So, I don't have any uh further update on the planning director's position from I understand it's hasn't changed from last time. Um, so planning department has been very busy. There were few phone calls, responding to emails, other departments as well as counter inquiries. Um, attended the second MVP2 meeting which helps uh William and I get started on the initial tasks. That's the municipal vulnerability vulnerability preparedness program 2.0 which follows on the initial work done in 2018. Um there was a final walkth through at Woodland Hills which formerly known as village uh village at Institute Road. That walk was done on April 2nd. Um we should expect a report from Graves pretty soon. There's a few minor items. So we expect that the determination of completion is going to be before the board shortly uh for acceptance at uh the October town meeting. High Fields of Grafton is also uh working on submitting a determination of completion review and I have a meeting with them tomorrow afternoon. Um so that's going to be coming in soon too. Um I'm rescheduled the board's April 20th meeting because that's a holiday. So I'm going to be rescheduling it to the uh April 27th. And for the board's May 4th meeting, at this point, we've got three public hearings going and there's at least one or two other submissions that are probably going to be coming in soon. So, it's starting to pick up a little bit. Not that it wasn't picking up already, but just more work for you when we have one person in the office basically trying to doing as best as possible the work of three people. It's fun.

Is there a chance that some of those on the May 4th can get on for the 27th or you can't then um because of timing advertising if they've been advertised already. That's it. And what about the the contract help contract planning director is that? So um I believe we're working on getting temporary help for the next couple months at least uh for this fiscal year for like an admin person. So there'd be at least somebody there with phones and counters and um and if I'm not there

and um Fiona did put in a request to get a um planners in a pinch. They were here last time Eve. I'm not sure what the status of that is um but that would be limited. Okay.

It sounded like it was going to a particular um planner provider. Um I and I'm haven't been clear whether there was I I would assume that there was a request sent off what could you do at CMRPC because they often well not infrequently I hear about so and so is

you know providing halftime planning. I think Fiona um's thought was that we would use she would like to have used somebody that had been here re fairly recently before um when Chris was left that's who we had was Eve and I think that's was thought but if that doesn't work um should they should let you know interact with CMRPC and see if there's an option there. Okay.

We've had quite a lot of interaction on, you know, on all sorts of stuff with them in recent times and people up there know at least a reasonable amount.

Anything more on staff report? Nope. If anybody has any questions, I can, you know, answer them. You're still holding, you're still holding up at least enough to get here tonight. All right. Correspondence. Nothing caught my eye either. respond. Well, since it's not 7:30 yet, we're going to hear both of those, aren't we? No one's canceled out. No. Uh, let's see. Um, well,

item five.

Wait. Yeah. Just All right. Do five. You've You've got about six committees. Um uh let me see reports from planning board of representatives and town committees and CMRPC. Um, I I represent the board on the open space and recreation committee and the only thing I can report this evening is that the open space and recreation committee at their last meeting suggested that the trails committee ought to have a representative on the open space and rec committee and uh we forwarded that recommendation to the select board and the select board will be acting on that tomorrow evening. They have a name.

No. The once the select board put it out puts Once the select board approves a change in the charge to say that the trails committee shall have a representative then it's up to the trails committee to designate their representative. Oh yeah.

So that that will leave the OSRC with one at large member the other six members representing various boards and committees. So, if if that's something that excites you to know how that's going to turn out, tune in to the select board meeting tomorrow night. Other than that, there although I am on other things, I'm not the planning board's representative on any of these other things, but I will put in a plug for the charter review committee. The charter review committee is meeting this coming Thursday, the 9th at 7 o'clock in conference room F here in the municipal center. And we've advertised this as a public hearing for the purpose of inviting the public to tell the charter review committee their thoughts on changes they might like to see in our town charter in connection with the every 10 year review of it. So for for our for our our vast audience out there in the world who watches this um you are invited to come here on Thursday evening and of course if you can't make it then your input will always be welcome. You can tune in check the uh check the charter committee's page on the town website for details as to how to send your comments in. What type of things in the charter are often debated to be updated?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, the the charter I would say I don't need to don't don't want to take the time to go into it except we do have time here. This strictly speaking not totally planning but

the charter basically the defines the structure the overall structure of town government. It talks about you what what is town meeting, how town meeting is structured, the officers that elected officers. Uh it goes into a great deal of detail about the town administrator and the powers and duties and responsibilities of that office. Talks about financial procedures and a variety of other things. So it's it's not the sort of detailed things you you do like to govern all the day-to-day operations or anything. I've heard it compared I've heard the charter compared roughly to the state or federal constitutions

and the state and federal laws are comparable to the town bylaws. So if you if if you kind of understand the relationship between constitution and laws, that's roughly comparable to the relationship between the town charter and the town bylaws. Got it. So for instance, if we if we wanted Grafton to become a city, it's a charter amendment.

We can change the charter to do that. Although that's beyond the powers of this charter review committee, but nevertheless, the there the charter the charter could be modified to turn this town government into something quite different if we ever wanted to do that. Yeah. Not all towns are structured mainly. We're like a typical town, but uh what is it? Out uh south something out out near the the turnpike and and 90 Southboro. No, no, no out west.

Where were you turned to New York? Um um they have a like a a council. Yes. So more like a more like the city, right? So, so broadly speaking, there are two forms of government, municipal government, a town and a city. A town has a town meeting. The legislative body is a town meeting, either open or representative, and it has a select board or something comparable.

A city form of government does not have it. The legislative body is instead a council and sometimes there's a mayor. The interesting wrinkle on that is there are a couple of dozen municipalities in Massachusetts that have a city form of government, but they call themselves towns. So instead of a city council, they have a town council. Technically, those are city forms of government. And for example, my kids live in Franklin. Franklin has a has a town council and a and a and a town manager. So legally their name the name of that municipality is the city known as the town of Franklin.

All right. That's an an interesting wrinkle on the forms of municipal government here in this state. Yeah. Why can't I think of the town? Um Sturbridge I think it's either Sturbridge or South Bridge. It's farther south. Yeah, South Bridge I think is is that form of government. I should have known other selfish. I grew up in Selfish. I should have known that answer. Yeah. But yeah, if if you're in a town that calls itself a town, but you have a town council, you're actually a city.

Okay. Um, anybody else? Um, I'm at CMRPC doing I don't know how many different committees we're going to be. I think we just allocated the last of the uh the money that we have on the fiscal development committee um for this year. Grafton got some rewriting the bylaws that haven't been touched since 197 or other election. If anybody um we have a we have a a couple more delegates and an alternate besides me. If any of them want to uh be considered for the executive committee for the election where or I'll I'll be on the ballot committee, the election committee real soon.

The best way to get on that is to show up at that meeting. As far as I can tell. Yes. As one of the alternates. I had this unfortunate conflict with my charter review committee meeting on the second Thursday of the month which tends to be CMRPC meeting night. Second Thursday is much less No, for the quarterly meetings for the quarterly meeting. Yeah. Yeah. But um yeah, other meetings that Yeah. Right. It's it's the quarterly meetings that I always you have a conflict with you come to the uh nominating committee that would be I think the fourth Thursday. Not that I'm looking for any other work to do.

I see. Because I'm not. If I take on one more thing, I'm gonna be in trouble. I'm surprised you're not in trouble now. Okay. Oh, I have a question since we're killing time here. Uh, Natalia, any progress on 1727 Upton Street? I don't think I've heard anything, but I will check. And did the people did the same I think it's the same some sort of the same group for uh 8 Pine Street. Did they ever come back after they asked for the relaxing the um uh affordability requirement 17 and 27 is the DPW site.

Yeah. For the u the apartment building. Um and uh was noted just recently that um there's been a lot of clearing being done. Yeah. There. So somebody It's not the town. Oh yeah. Thinks. Yeah. They they've been they took down a good many trees and miscellaneous stuff.

Yeah. What I what I know about that and is I know the select voted to sign the PNS. I know there's a process involved in actually getting that signed. I don't know where that process exactly is. I'm assuming it's pretty close or at least or maybe done. I because there has been work started there. I know they did erect soap barriers on the site and they did start some tree clearing at least near where the old historic barn is. The beyond that I haven't seen any further work or movement since the day I saw the trees being cleared. Uh I I think the the paperwork is not quite done yet, but it's it's getting from what a little I've heard. Yeah, the paperwork is is still in process, but they're you know, they're they're basically waiting and I think that the uh the developer is basically waiting for all the paperwork to be signed. So, the the property formally becomes owned by them, at which point it looks like they're prepared to uh go full speed ahead. What's the number on Westboro Road across from U Pecarino?

124. Is it 124? Um there's um I heard I had people complaining to me that they were clear cutting um and in fact yes. Yeah, that was they have a rather large portion of the lot being cleared. That was also the homeowner and HOA that came before us at our last meeting,

right? Yeah. Same. Yeah. But I went by and looked and sure enough they're big piles of logs. Um, but there's a fair amount of woods between what I see cleared and Institute Road. Um, I got way laid in in the supermarket about it. Let's see. We're closing in here. Is there anything else? Well, no public input. We can take a minute and uh 45 second break. Do any of those buttons do anything?

I don't think they do, but the way the way that control works with the lights is the buttons do do stuff. I've I've had to adjust things. I've had to adjust things in in other meetings I've had in this room with those. You got any of something to do something? Yes. What did you get to do something? I switched to the HDMI input from this thing to for someone when they wanted to present something when it wasn't a Zoom meeting. And how did you know what button to use? That one has some has some names on it.

Okay. So, I pressed it and it worked. That's what I did. You believed somebody. All right. It being seven, two, one, go. 30. I'll am I reopening? You know, this is new, right?

Yes. We have a notice for uh definitive plan approval modification DP2020-01.3 Abby Woods off Carol Road. Yep. The planning board will hold a public hearing on Monday, April 6, 2026, commencing at 7:30 p.m. in the conference room A of the Grafton Memorial Municipal Center, 30 Pro Providence Road, to consider an application to modify a definitive plan approval requesting approval for an 18month extension of the construction completion deadline set to expire on April 1, 2026 of the Abbey Woods development at 10 lot conventional residential subdivision on property located off of Carol Road. said property is located in a medium density residential R20 district and the applicant owner is Central MA Homebuilders LLC. A copy of the application materials is available for public inspection at the planning department during regular business hours or on the town of Grafton website at www.graftton-mma.gov on the planning department development projects web page. So, the applicant submitted the application on March 4th, which is prior to the expiration of the validity period on April 1st. Um, the so there's no changes to the plan. The only thing they're asking for is an 18-month extension, which um I believe the developer is here and he can explain his reasons as to uh why he needs 18 months. Uh there's a shy board bond in place for sections one and two. So that's um all

taken care of. However, the new validity date deadline will need to be updated on the shy because right now it has the old expiration date. So, prior to releasing lots, we want to make sure that we have that revised bond um in hand. Um Okay. Do we have someone to talk to us about it? There or over here? Where? Here. Either way. Where? Wherever you're most comfortable. Right here is good. Okay.

Um my name is Abi Rad. R is the last name. Um I'm almost done with the project. uh like maybe 20% left the sidewalk need to be concreted street light and the top coat for a street so I'm asking for one and a half one and a half year because one year is not enough two years is too much so one and a half would do it question I don't we usually extend by one year two I think we've usually done two years for subdivisions and one year for special permits.

That that's the initial grant, not the extension usually. Yeah. The the idea has been that came out of the idea of being able to have them come in each year to give an update on what's happening. I don't think doesn't cost that much to file for the exemption, does it? It's like it's $200. Yeah. Well, questions from the board.

That's I think just to say aloud for this particular project and for the reasons that the two years is too much. I'd be I would be willing to go with the 18 months instead of a full instead of just one year. I don't know if anyone else feels similar to me, but just wanted to What were What were the reasons why you were unable to finish during the original deadline?

Well, this has been going for a while. Oh, we had CO we had some blasting like 550 ft of the road being blasted. That that wasn't our in our plan. Mhm.

Yeah. And just for the record, the uh subdivision rules and regulations state that an extension shall not exceed three years. So we can grant any extension that we feel is appropriate up to three years. And in line with what Bob has said, we, you know, particularly when it looks like there could be extending there's a potential for extending more than say the year and a half that we like we we like to sort of check in every year. But I think I think I wouldn't argue with Justin that in this particular case you are confident that you'll be done in a within 18 months.

Yes. So, I think I would be comfortable also with an 18-month extension. Anybody else up here have anything? Anybody out there have anything? This is a hearing. So, we need to have a motion. I'll move that the uh the board close the public hearing and direct staff to draft a decision reflecting well we can talk about a decision since although we've informally indicated that at least some of us are in favor of a 18month extension we do need to formalize that

why don't we do that why don't we do that on a second vote yes I was going to say let's close the public hearing and then take it from there second moved and seconded to close the hearing All in favor? I opposed. So voted now for. Yeah. How about I move that the board grant the modification as a an extension of time for 18 months from the date of expiration of the from the previous date of expiration. Does that get drafted into a new decision?

I think that Yeah, that's a new decision. So So you're asking for staff to Yes. So that's it. Let's move the direct staff to draft a decision reflecting an 18-month extension past the original expiration. How's that? Sounds about what people want. Good to me. I don't know that we need to actually provide it that make up the They make a vote on that direction is what I was saying. Um if the chair wants to bond before we don't need to. Okay. Any discussion on the have it before the draft decision? No. The main thing is to have it before he asked for a lot of releases. Okay.

See if if we do it this way, she can have a clean decision that doesn't have to be Yep. updated after we uh I was just making sure that the shy bond didn't have to be done before the draft decision. You might want to make that as a condition to update that. Um that way it's done as a condition of the decision. Yep. Second is okay with that. Yes. Okay. Anything more? Hearing nothing. All in favor? I oppose. So voted unanimously. Great. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Look forward to having that completed. Our our next meet our next meeting will finalize the actual decision for that. Thank you.

Thank you. Um, all right. That brings me to 6B. Request for special permit SP 2026-01 SBA and site plan approval at 244 Worcester Street, Wyman Gordon. Um, this is a continuation of the previous hearing and we were waiting for some information as I recall. I believe the information uh name, rank, and serial number. You know, I should have caught on by now. Adam Hartman, uh director of renewable development with Wyman Gordon.

Uh joined by Ronnie Brooks, uh from Wyman Gordon as well. And I appreciate the board's time tonight. Um I feel like we're in a little bit better place than we were last meeting. Um, I know that the draft findings have been out there and I know we've reviewed those uh, as well as worked with you guys on uh, more or less anou. So any questions the board has all be happy to answer. Have we got everything settled?

We do have it. We we've got added theou as an exhibit. legal counsel has advised that it's not necessary to have anou um but to put it in as a condition and he did draft that condition and it is included. So we could vote on the draft decision. Yes. Yes. So I think we're in a position to close the hearing if we need no further information and proceed to uh deliberate on the draft decision. That's a motion. Second. Moved and seconded. Discussion hearing none. All in favor? I oppose. So vote it. Now then the uh draft decision. Does anybody have anything? Did you look at it when

Yes. All right. Natalyia and I spent some time working Thank you. this past week. So it's happy as far as you're concerned.

Yeah. So as far as what what you have in front of you now is the the the the latest markup of the draft decision. It includes some deletions and comments from me and uh I guess if the board is comfortable if if if you've all had a chance to review this and you you agree with the the modifications as they are present in the draft decision, we can go with it. You're happy with it? Very happy. That's what we want everybody to be. Likewise.

Comment that was in there was some of your changes, Dave, as well as some of town council's comments as well. Yes. Okay. Yes. And one thing I just wanted to confirm with the board was that uh I made a point of including in the findings an explanation of why the board thinks we do not need formal shity for this

and that's basically finding 16 and u I mean this this was my reading of it so if if if if you would like if you want to suggest any changes or improvements or additions to this list, you know, feel free. But basically what I proposed is that because number one, the applicant is the owner of the property and of the business that's located on the property. Number two, the business can reasonably be expected to be viable into the foreseeable future. And number three, the proposed solar system system is for the direct benefit of that business. the applicant's decommissioning proposal. That is the proposal to basically agree to do the decommissioning. And we find that acceptable. And if if everybody thinks that's adequate to show that this how this case is different from others, you that's what I could come up with. But if anybody has any anything to add to that, I feel free.

I like both 16 and 17. That was what I was my question was as it related to the town council. Yep. Well, anybody else? Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me. Um, do we do we have that motion?

I I will move that the board grant the special permit. Oh, before we before we do that, I just wanted to uh touch base with the board on one minor item and that is in the waiverss specifically waiver two, the waiver of the requirements for earthworks calculations under section 1.3.3F. The applicant did not actually request this waiver, but earthworks calculations are rather obviously not necessary in this situation. So although the applicant did not request the waiver, it seems to make sense that the board would grant grant that waiver anyway. I don't know if we wanted to put any special language in there about that.

Remind me, Mr. Robins, did did we say anything at all about the earthworks calculation in the findings or the somewhere in here that I missed? Don't believe we did. So that comes together as being okay. Yeah, that we didn't mention it and you're waving it. All right. Anybody else? Are we ready to vote? All right. All in favor? I opposed the motion. So voted. I never finished the motion. I did not complete finish making the motion. Oh yes, you did. I heard you. Consider it done. The motion was to

grant the special permit with all the findings as drafted with the edits reflected in the uh latest version with granting all the waiverss and with all the con conditions. We just voted in favor of that. So yes, second and yes. Any further discussion? Do you want to as to who signs it? What do you want to include as to who signs it? Who signs it? Who signs the decision? Oh, I have no idea. Um, I suggested Justin, but I I move that I will sign this decision on behalf of the board. Um, that would be a separate motion because we

That's why making a new one. Well, move that the board authorize Justin to sign the decision on behalf of the board. You want that motion to come before the one you just gave? I don't think it matters. Doesn't matter. Well, but I've got a motion on the floor. No, we already voted on We already voted on that one. The the motion that we voted before he made it. Isn't this Are we having fun yet? Absolutely. All right. So, please take the vote on the permit now.

Okay. I'm gonna uh exercise executive power here and say we're going to vote on the permit. All in favor? I opposed. So voted. Now I think I heard another motion. Authorize Mr. Wood to sign on behalf of the board. Second. Moved and seconded. Is there any discussion of that one? Hearing none. All in favor? I oppose. So voted. Just want to say thank you. Thank you for the board. Thank you for the staff and all the time and effort everybody's put into this. So, we really do appreciate it and we're looking forward to getting this project started. Good luck. Good luck. Thanks. Thank you. Get that power flowing. Absolutely.

Okay. I don't think there's anything else that may lawfully come before us. Is there I think the motion to adjurnn would be in order. May I jump in for one thing that I think we might want to do before he doesn't second. He doesn't get a second. I'll withdraw the motion to adjourn. Do we want to take a formal motion on the moving of the next meeting to the 27th even though because we had already No, as chair I've I've directed that happen. That's fine with me. I just wanted to I think that I just wanted to ask since we made the since we as a board voted to approve the meeting schedule. But anyway, now I'm looking for a second to

now I will second the motion to adjurnn. That's not debatable. All in favor? I oppose. So voted. Um,